[CS Bureau] Re: about communications to/from the Bureau

Thu Feb 19 08:17:27 GMT 2004

Dear Louise / Alain / Liliane

It does not matter which list is used as long as:

1) We know who is subscribed to it  (is their a list of who is on the 
bureau at geneva2003.org list?)
2)  It has open archives.

If there is private stuff to be discussed (and there has not been so far) 
it can be taken care of in sub-group or whatever.

But you are wrong about why the  bureau at wsis-cs.org was set up, if you are 
implying it was for 'general exchange of information on issues and meetings 
not directly linked with the work of the Bureau and of the 
Secretariat'.  It was never used in this way - a number of us regularly 
used as the list for discussion precisely so that others could view the 
archive.   It was set up for the reasons you give in the first paragraph 
below, because there was such delay in the other list.  And as i said, it 
was complying with the wishes of the Bureau (which agreed to have 
observers) and the CS Plenary.

There is no reason why the "systematic bilingual  information" (do you mean 
from the Secretariat?) can be provided on the bureau at wsis-cs.org list 
too.  It is only a list.

The important matter here is about transparency, which is especially 
important during this time of transition, when legitimacy inevitably is 
open to question.

bye
Sean

At 18:02 18/02/2004 +0100, Liliane Ursache wrote:

>English / /  French
>
>Dear Members of the Bureau,
>
>We took note of Sean's mail responding to Adam Peake, (dated today 18 
>February) concering the CS Bureau lists.
>
>The reason why bureau at geneva2003.org was created  and maintained was to 
>offer a systematic bilingual  information (English and French) and a 
>platform to exchange ideas, information and proposals among Bureau members 
>on matters directly linked with the participation of civil society in the 
>WSIS process.
>
>As Adam correctly mentions, the other list bureau at wsis-cs.org is very 
>useful for more general exchange of information on issues and meetings not 
>directly linked with the work of the Bureau and of the Secretariat. Being 
>in the Secretariat, we had access to  information that was needed by the 
>Bureau members to take position.  From the very beginning, we also clearly 
>said that other lists were very welcome.
>
>It is true to say that for the time being, the society participation to 
>Phase II is vague, because the concept of Phase II is also totally 
>unclear.    We are still in contact with the protagonists involved, both 
>in the UN and in the host country and try to find the best modalities to 
>ensure independence and maximise input of civil society members.
>
>In this context, we suggest to maintain the current list until a clear 
>decision is taken on arrangements for Phase II.  This is a subject to be 
>discussed both in the CS Bureau meeting on 26 February in Geneva, and on 
>2-3 march in Tunis.
>
>with best regards to all,
>
>Louise / Alain / Liliane
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>Chers membres du Bureau,
>
>Nous avons pris connaissance du mail de Sean en réponse à Adam Peake (daté 
>aujourd'hui 18 février), concernant la liste électronique du Bureau.
>
>La raison pour laquelle la liste  bureau at geneva2003.org  a été crée et 
>maintenue, était pour offrir une  information bilingue systématique 
>(anglais et français), ainsi qu'une plateforme pour échanger des idées 
>des  informations et des propositions entre les membres du Bureau, sur des 
>questions concernant directement la participation de la société civile au 
>processus du Sommet.
>
>Ainsi que corectement noté par Adam,  l'autre liste bureau at wsis-cs.org est 
>très utile pour des échanges plus généraux sur des questions et des 
>réunions qui ne concernent peut-être pas directement le travail des 
>membres du Bureau et le Secrétariat.  Notre présence au sein du 
>Secrétariat nous a permi d'avoir accès à des informations dont les membres 
>du Bureau avaient besoin pour prendre position.  Dès le départ, nous vous 
>avons aussi fait savoir que d'autres listes sont les bienvenues.
>
>Il est vrai que pour l'instant, la participation de la société civile à la 
>Phase II reste vague, vu que le concept même de la Phase II n'et pas 
>clair.  Nous sommes toujours en conact avec les protagonistes impliqués, 
>aussi bien du côté de l'ONU que du pays hôte, et nous essayons de trouver 
>les meilleures modalités d'assurer l'indépendance et maximiser les 
>contributions des membres de la société civile.
>
>Dans ce contexte, nous vous suggérons de garder la présente liste jusqu'à 
>ce qu'une décision est prise sur les arrangements de la Phase II.  Le 
>sujet pourra être discuté à l'occasions des réunions du Bureau le 26 
>février à Genève et les 2-3 mars à Tunis
>
>
>meilleures salutations à tous,
>
>Louise / Alain / Liliane
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