[WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [CS Bureau] Overpasses

[jsarr at refer.sn]

Bonjour à tous,

Je maintiens ma demande de "deux overpasses" pour la famille des villes et
autorités locales. La raison est que cette famille organise un sommet mondial à
Bilbao, du 9 au 11 novembre, et va envoyer une délégation très importante à
Tunis pour faire la restitution.
Bonne réception et salutations cordiales.

Joseph SARR
Point focal de la famille des Villes et Autorités locales
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Selon Robert Guerra <rguerra at lists.privaterra.org>:

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> On 25-Oct-05, at 4:42 AM, Mohamed Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:
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> > Bonjour,
> >
> > Voici mes commentaires sur la politique de distribution des «
> > Overpasses » :
> >
> > -    Pour le panel de haut niveau, d’accord pour ajouter 1 laisser-
> > passer
> > pour  le caucus Africain et un autre pour le caucus de la
> > gouvernance Internet.
> >
> > -    Pour les Plénières, j’ai un ensemble de remarques :
> > o    Le groupe de travail « Environnement et TIC » a demandé 1 seul
> > Passe.
> > Pourquoi lui en attribuer 5 (500%), surtout que sa présence n’a pas
> > été
> > très senti lors du processus du sommet.
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> it is a caucus. has an active webpage.
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> check with thomas (cc'ing him)
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> > o    La région LAC n’a pas été représentée lors du processus de la
> > 2ème
> > phase du SMSI. Magaly représente le caucus Genre, et non pas La région
> > LAC. Qui a demandé les 10 passes au nom de LAC ? Et pourquoi vous leur
> > attribuez le double ?
>
> DO NOT AGREE
>
> - they couldn't get funding from the ITU @ phase II, that's why.
> blame the ITU, but don't  underestimate their involvement in the
> information society and involvement @ WSIS.
> - as for reasons they want 2 - Roberto Bissio will be speaking,
> that's probably why.
>
> It would be best if your comments where in english, as it's hard for
> people in spanish to understand comments in frnech . that being said,
> i will hope philipe and alejandra can translate your comments so that
> Magaly, Olinca and others can reply.
>
>
> > o    La famille « Philanthropic Institutions » n’existe presque plus.
> > Wolfgang est au caucus de la gouvernance de l’Internet. Il n’a pas
> > demandé beaucoup, mais je me demande a qui il va les distribuer.
> >
>
> DO NOT AGREE
> you are questioning one caucus after an another. it is too late in
> the process to state eliminate them. please post these very serious
> questions to the plenary. thank you.
>
>
>
> > o    La dame Russe qui se dit représenter la famille «
> > Multistakeholder
> > Partenarships » ne s’est manifestée que les derniers jours de
> > PrepCom3.
> > Je ne pense pas que l’attribution de passes pour cette famille
> > serait une
> > bonne chose.
>
> DO NOT AGREE
>
> She was involved in phase I in several of the video conferences that
> I organized at PC 2, PC3 & the summit.
>
> again, no funding to come - so we don't see here. does not mean was
> not active in - THE INFORMATION SOCIETY.
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> > o    Pour le caucus des jeunes, je pense qu’il serait juste de leur
> > ajouter
> > quelques Passes car ils seront très nombreux à Tunis (Il y a un
> > congrès
> > mondial des jeunes qui se tiendra sous forme d’événement parallèle
> > durant
> > la période du Sommet).
> >
> DO NOT SPEAK FOR YOUTH WITHOUT CONSULTING THEM -
>
> let's get their comments. you do not speak for the,
>
> > o    Et enfin, le caucus Africain mérite plus de passes eu égard au
> > nombre
> > de ses membres.
> >
> DO NOT AGREE
>
> if we follow your logic we should give the passes to the region that
> has had most representation - that would be Europe and north america
> region + all the caucuses they are a part of.  they have been there
> in the most number and been the most active - thus, should they get
> the most? that would not be fair - the other regions should have
> passes to.
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> At this point, i beg to ask the question - why are you speaking for
> caucuses other than your own? Don't please - if you do, you will open
> a pandora's box that does not need to be opened at this state. If you
> insist on getting comments, then we should open the comments to all
> concern - not just the CSB. Consequently, i am cc'ing plenary.
>
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> > -    D’accord pour les 36 passes restant
> >
> > -    Pour le mécanisme de distribution des passes, je vous enverrai
> > la liste
> > des membres de ma famille qui ont demandé un laisser-passer pour la
> > plénière. Vous remarquerez que leur nombre est supérieur au nombre de
> > passes attribués. La distribution se fera sur la base du « premier
> > venu,
> > premier servi ». Bien entendu, ceux du bas de la liste pourront
> > avoir des
> > passes en fonction des désistements, et en alternant l’usage des
> > laisser-passer chaque fois que cela est possible (puisque les
> > passes ne
> > sont pas nominatifs).
> >
> Your family is what again? how active was it in the - process of
> negotiation at WSIS phase II. To be honest, i don't think I have meet
> anyone in your family other than yourself. where are they
> from...AH...let me guess, Tunisia... SIGH!!
>
> you are asking we Tunisia YET another allotment of overpasses - that
> makes 100+36. my comment - I DO NOT THINK SO
>
>
> Begs the question - I am very, very, very, disappointed that you did
> not care to comment on my comments nor address the very serious flaws
> I pointed out in the earlier draft Phillipe circulated . What don't
> need is a long discussion - what we need to do is move to ACTION, to
> actually get things done. This is what I have proposed with the
> online system. Can you comment on that please.
>
>
> The address is -
> https://secure.privaterra.org/wsis/
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> As Sean and others have commented - I was the only, the ONLY one who
> cared enough from the CSB to be involved in the overpass distrubution
> issue at phase 1. There were many lessons learned  . I have shared
> many of my comments on this issue because of that. Strangely enough,
> many of the proposals being put forward will lead, in my opinion, to
> a very flawed process . One that will be so complex that at the end,
> it will simply not work.
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> Given the concerns expressed by a large # of individuals in (real)
> CS, as well as by governments with the host country make it VERY
> problematic to  over-allocation of such a scare resource to the host
> country. Your comments and those of Marzouk and Moncef (seen as no
> friend of CS ) do not help either.
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> in summary -
>
> - We currently have a flawed process that will not work. trust me.
> - Worse yet, we have a process that - should it be approved by the
> CSB (and over  my dead body will it be), will open a pandora's box of
> criticism from fellow CS and govts.
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> - with only 3 weeks  to go i find it upsetting that the overpass
> issue has not been dealt with. The policy should be simple,
> transparent and adhere to the principles of inclusion of all CS. We
> should not, we must not - ignore those constituencies that have not
> been able to attend the phase II physical meetings.
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> - Worse yet, at this moment, I feel my experience and understanding
> of the issue is being ignored.
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> - I am not happy.
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