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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Can we quickly come to a decision on this? I
believe Renate is busy organising her CONGO event and may not be able to respond
as fast.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>These 30 names per family, would that mean that all
passes would be allocated and none for first-come first-served
basis?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We cannot afford to ask CS participants to find a
home with families now when we're supposed to be submitting names already. We
cannot afford any kind of time-engaging process. This would mean having to
double-check if names overlap in anyway from all of us. Why are names necessary
in the first place since these are, if I'm not mistaken, daily passes? Why is
there a need to prioritise these names?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Louise? Liliane? Please help clarify and also
explain what happened to the proposal first placed on the table through Renate's
lead.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Warm regards,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Angela</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=info@laneta.apc.org href="mailto:info@laneta.apc.org">Olinca
Marino</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=bureau@wsis-cs.org
href="mailto:bureau@wsis-cs.org">bureau@wsis-cs.org</A> ; <A
title=bureau@wsis-cs.org
href="mailto:bureau@wsis-cs.org">bureau@wsis-cs.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=bureau@geneva2003.org
href="mailto:bureau@geneva2003.org">bureau@geneva2003.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:37
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Bureau] RE: Message on
registration and overpasses</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Dear All,<BR><BR>I really think "the size" is a considerable
problem to share overpasses taking as "basis" the families:<BR>- in one hand,
we have families with 2 or 3 persons or even without active members (only with
the name), and <BR>- in the other hand, we have "families" with more than 60
persons.<BR><BR>regards,<BR><BR>Olinca<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>At 12:30 p.m.
24/11/2003 -0800, John R. Gagain Jr. wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">Dear All,<BR><BR>I agree with and
support Nick's sentiments below. Content groups / caucuses<BR>have
been created, re-created, canceled, etc all on an ad-hoc on-going
basis<BR>throughout the WSIS process. YJ, you mention that these
groups have been<BR>"more active", but I believe you must be clear and state
"substantively<BR>actively" and I dont think that we should say that any one
entity has been<BR>more active or better. All mechanisms have played
their role in an extreme<BR>effort to collaborate.<BR><BR>Additionally, the
"substantively active" has been due to the fact that since<BR>the very
beginning we have established that the CSB would not involve itself<BR>in
substance and to this day, its only involvement in such has been
the<BR>presence of the CT Working Group as an observer on the WSIS Civil
Society<BR>Bureau. The role of the CSB has proved to be invaluable and
increasingly<BR>served to fill an important role since the Paris
Intersessional. Please do<BR>not downplay that role due to its mandate
and limits on addressing<BR>substance.<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR>John R. Gagain
Jr.<BR>Think-Tanks Focal Point<BR>WSIS Civil Society
Bureau<BR>j.gagain@funglode.org<BR><BR><BR>-----Mensaje original-----<BR>De:
bureau-admin@wsis-cs.org [<A href="mailto:bureau-admin@wsis-cs.org"
eudora="autourl">mailto:bureau-admin@wsis-cs.org</A>]En nombre<BR>de Nick
Moraitis<BR>Enviado el: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:23 PM<BR>Para:
bureau@geneva2003.org; bureau@wsis-cs.org<BR>CC:
plenary@wsis-cs.org<BR>Asunto: [Bureau] RE: Message on registration and
overpasses<BR><BR><BR>Hi all,<BR><BR>Not terribly fussed on this, but my
personal input would be that I<BR>generally feel like it should be kept
simple - with the families<BR>responsible alone. I don't know what the basis
of Caucuses and Working<BR>Groups is or how new ones are created and
recognized by others as<BR>existing. I do get the impression that they are
generally considered<BR>"content groups". On the other hand, the
definition, role and number of<BR>actors within the Bureau and the role of
the Secretariat seems clearer,<BR>more logistic-oriented, and more suited to
this task - as per the<BR>descriptions on:<BR><A
href="http://www.wsis-cs.org/cs-overview.html"
eudora="autourl">http://www.wsis-cs.org/cs-overview.html</A><BR><BR>I
suggest that the agreed families (perhaps excluding the
Regional<BR>families) should "enable any civil society entity to find a
'home'" and<BR>if not the Secretariat should keep some extra passes over for
those on a<BR>first come-first-serve basis who "chose not to associate with
some or<BR>all of the above entities".<BR><BR>Louise, one question - if the
youth caucus were to submit a list of<BR>names for 30 people for the Opening
Session to assist with security and<BR>advance planning, when would be the
last date to submit such a list, and<BR>what possibility would there be to
change names? (considering for<BR>example, any unforseen but probably likely
complications with travel and<BR>visas for a few
participants?).<BR><BR>Cheers<BR>Nick<BR>Youth Family/Caucus
facilitator<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
bureau-request@geneva2003.org<BR>[<A
href="mailto:bureau-request@geneva2003.org"
eudora="autourl">mailto:bureau-request@geneva2003.org</A>] On Behalf Of YJ
Park<BR>Sent: November 24, 2003 1:01 AM<BR>To: bureau@geneva2003.org;
bureau@wsis-cs.org<BR>Cc: plenary@wsis-cs.org<BR>Subject: Re: Message on
registration and overpasses<BR><BR><BR>Thank Sean for pointing this
out.<BR><BR>As it has been observed in the WSIS civil society
process,<BR>more active partcipation and coordination has been
done<BR>through working groups and caucuses in cooperation with<BR>CS
content and theme group on the volunteer basis.<BR><BR>In principle, CS
family structure in the civil society proposed<BR>by CSD is supposed to play
a role of organizer or coordinator<BR>but most substantial coordination has
been made by volunteers<BR>from civil society plenary so far.<BR><BR>As Sean
addressed, it seems more natural for CS working<BR>groups or caucuses to
handle this issue in conjunction with family.<BR>Therefore, the following
proposal sounds more reasonable than<BR>only family inputs.<BR><BR>Working
groups and Caucuses: 27 of these each with 8 = 216<BR>(assumption that
many family members are part of WGs)<BR>Bureau Families 21 families each
with 4 = 84<BR>Content & Themes group 5<BR>Total pre
allocated: 305<BR>First comes first served = 295<BR><BR>One more
clarification about the number of passes. Technically,<BR>as requested if 22
family provides 30 members, it is 660. How many<BR>passes are we talking
about here? I thought 295.<BR><BR>YJ<BR>----- Original Message
-----<BR>From: Sean O Siochru<BR>To: bureau@geneva2003.org ;
bureau@wsis-cs.org<BR>Cc: plenary@wsis-cs.org<BR>Sent: Sunday, November 23,
2003 11:11 PM<BR>Subject: Re: Message on registration and
overpasses<BR><BR><BR>Louise<BR><BR>Renata's suggestions of November 6th,
developed by a group of us,<BR>proposed that passes be made available as
follows:<BR><BR>Distribution:<BR><BR><Working groups and Caucuses:
27 of these each with 8 = 216 (assumption<BR>that many family members are
part of WGs)<BR><Bureau Families 21 families each with 4 =
84<BR><Content & Themes group 5<BR><BR><Total pre allocated:
305<BR><First comes first served = 295.<BR><BR>Why are families being
asked to come with 30 names each? Why not the<BR>working groups and
caucuses?<BR><BR>Sean<BR><BR><BR>At 17:08 21/11/2003 +0100, Louise Lassonde
wrote:<BR><BR><BR>Dear Bureau members,<BR><BR>Registration<BR><BR>We would
like to inform you of the state of registration as of today.<BR>So far, 3000
Civil Society participants have registered and we expect<BR>25% more to come
in the next weeks;<BR>1000 governement, we expect at least 2X more to come
in the next weeks.<BR><BR>Overpasses<BR><BR>600 overpasses have been
allocated to Civil Society and we have<BR>requested 150 more for the World
Electronic Media Forum.<BR>Renate Bloem (NGO Family) made a proposal on the
6th November on the<BR>allocation of overpasses.<BR>In addition, it seems
appropriate for the opening ceremony to have a<BR>name list well in advance
for security reasons. May we ask each family<BR>to draw up a list of
30 names (in order of priority).<BR><BR>Best
regards,<BR><BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------<BR><BR><BR>Cher
Membre du Bureau,<BR><BR><BR>Enregistrement<BR><BR>Nous aimerions vous
informer de létat davancement de lenregistrement<BR>au jour
daujourdhui.<BR>Pour le moment,3000 participants de la société civile se
sont<BR>enregistrés<BR>et nous<BR>prévoyons encore 25% dinscriptions
supplémentaires durant les<BR>prochaines semaines ; 1000 représentants des
gouvernements, nous<BR>prévoyons au moins le double pour les prochaines
semaines.<BR><BR>Laissez-passer<BR><BR><BR>600 laissez-passer ont été
alloués à la société civile et nous en avons<BR>demandé 150 de plus pour le
World Electronic Media Forum.<BR>Renate a fait une proposition le 6 novembre
concernant lallocation des<BR>laissez-passer.<BR>De plus, il semble
approprié pour louverture de la cérémonie davoir à<BR>lavance une liste de
noms pour des questions de sécurité.<BR>Pourrions-nous demander à chaque
famille de dresser une liste de 30 noms<BR><BR>(par ordre de
priorité).<BR><BR><BR><BR>Meilleures salutations<BR><BR>Savita<BR>--<BR>The
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