[Lac] Creative Commons Licensing for Developing Countries.

[Diego Saravia]

> >  
> This is not a new discussion. The Digital Divide has many factors; they 
> are constantly debated. Oddly enough, the commonality which I  
> approach them is actually geo-socio-economic in nature. However,  
> other members on the Digital Divide list don't necessarily agree  
> with this, stating that the Digital Divide is also affected by age, 
>  race and gender. 
 
I do not believe in intrinsec racial or gender human diferences 
if there are important diferences they are social and caused by poverty, and  
social exclusion. 
 
Age is a natural and universal issue, I do not think age issues could be 
associated with digital divide.   
 
 
>  
> Your opinion and mine are close, yet I don't agree with you because I 
> know some people who are within the bracket for being able to afford  
> a computer and internet access, but simply aren't able to access the  
> internet because of poor phone lines or complete lack of them. These  
> are usually related to infrastructural issues... and these fall  
> under ICT as well. Honestly, I started off thinking it was just  
> poverty as well, but based on what I've been discussing with people  
> over the last few years my opinion has shifted. 
 
 
ok geografic issues are important and not directly related to poverty, 
because  you can have a medium class man in the midle of nowhere, and could 
be very expensive to have a conection. 
 
but it is not a social issue, we can not really fix it, its a technical 
problem, when we find tech alternatives it could be conected. 
 
We could ask for governamental support and  subsidies. I think it is correct 
in this case. 
  
You find a digital divide issue not related to poverty :) 
 
 
>  
> The Digital Divide is a very complex issue. If you really want to 
> discuss the Digital Divide at length, may I suggest joining the Digital 
> Divide mailing list? 
>  
> http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide 
 
I have not time for that now, tanks! 
 
either. 
> http://www.knowprose.com/node/view/120 
> Pekka Himanen is a good writer, but a lot of that is based off of the 
> Western philosophy, and it doesn't fit too well with Eastern Philosophy 
> because of it's dealing only with the Protestant Ethic. 
> The recent book of Paul Graham is also of note - Hackers and  
> Painters - though I don't completely agree with the analogy of Painters. 
> http://www.knowprose.com/node/view/124 
>  
> The real book I would suggest is out of print, I think - "Technology  
> and Creativity" by Das Gupta. ISBN 0195096886 
>  
> Free Software doesn't mean anything without computers. Computers require 
> money. Even when writing GPL code, someone has to pay for the food  
> and coffee. Sometimes it's the individual. 
 
yes, computers do not mean anything without people :) 
we do not eat bandwith. bandwith once installed its there.  
you have no marginal cost for its use. 
 
 
 
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> >>which means that people gain experience and   
> >>knowledge - which is another factor of the Digital Divide.  
> >>     
> >> 
> >  
> >If you are in you gain experience and k.   
> >   
> >   
> > 
> >>I'm sorry, if you think that Freedom and Economy are completely separate  
> >>things, I have to disagree.  
> >>     
> >> 
> >  
> >I do not think that. 
> > 
> OK :) 
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> >>In my book, there are poor people in rich and poor countries. The  
> >>Digital Divide exists within Developed and Developing nations.  
> >>     
> >> 
> >  
> >another problem with developing countries CC.  
> >   
> > 
> Yes, this is true. But we also must understand something about 
> 'developed country' and 'developing country'. 
>  
> Every 'developed' country is still 'developing'. So what is the 
> difference? The difference is the rate at which they are developing. 
> Quite simply, it's a race. A competition. It's your country versus my 
> country versus the United States versus Australia versus... you get the 
> idea. 
>  
> So here's the million dollar question: How does a developing nation get 
> developed nation status? Not some textbook answer - the real answer.  
> And the *real* answer is that the developing nation has to develop faster 
> than the developed nation. So if the developing nations get the same 
> information that the developed nations have, it gives them an advantage 
> - and also less of an excuse of remaining so far behind. 
>  
> At the individual level, you're right - to a point - because the poor 
> people in the United States, as an example, will not gain much from 
> this. But inadvertently they do, because their country has the 
> information. Without such a license, developing nations would be more 
> than likely be required by TRIPs to *pay* for the same information. And 
> this license kills TRIPs effect on that. ;-) 
>  
> >>If people have to spend less money on content and software, then they  
> >>would have more money for equipment. Wouldn't you agree?  
> >>     
> >> 
> >  
> >yes.  
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> >>Sadly, there will always be 'poor people', simply because there will  
> >>always be people with more.   
> >>     
> >> 
> >  
> >I do not accept that statement, we can have diversity, without poverty.  
> >  
> >If you wish to live in a society without  
> >   
> > 
> >>poor people, then you wish to live in a society without rich people.  
> >>     
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> >  
> >not at all.  
> >  
> >Could I read your book? I am not poor, nor rich, but I live in a  
> >"developing" country.  
> > 
> Ahh. There's been a misunderstanding. The phrase 'In my book' is a 
> colloquialism, it's another way of writing 'my thoughts are'. 
>  
> I do not think that you understand the relativity of which I spoke. 
> Without short people, there would be no tall people. If people were all 
> the same height, the words 'short' and 'tall' would have no meaning.  
> The same with rich and poor. In fact, without rich AND poor, there  
> would be no middle class. It would just all be the same. Everyone  
> would have exactly the same amount and quality of everything. 
>  
> If we go one step further and allow no person to own anything, and 
> everything belongs to the community, we have communism. And that's where 
> the people who call Free Software 'Communist' get that twisted idea - 
> Free Software is certainly not about Communism. And people do *own* the 
> software because of the rights given, though the owner of the Copyright 
> must bestow these rights. I think it was RMS who said, 'The concept  
> of sharing with my neighbour is not communism', or something like that. 
>  
> But I digress. I think when you are talking about poverty, you are 
> talking about the degree with which one is poor - and that's  
> something I agree with, to a point. I think that the degree needs to  
> decrease significantly, but for better or worse there will always be  
> 'poor' and 'rich' - and the 'middle class'. 
>  
> This is an interesting discussion. Perhaps we should continue it offlist 
> instead of boring everyone else with it? Of course, if nobody has a 
> problem, it might be good to have it on the list and promote further 
> discussion. It's always good to hear other perspectives. :) 
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