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color=#0000ff size=2>Just a quick response about the matters under consideration
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765484418-24022006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I think Program Committee is the right construct for
looking towards multistakeholder involvement. Leave the logistics and other
matters to the secretariat and host country.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765484418-24022006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>And I dont agree with a fourth group - call it technical
and academic, internet community, internet technical community, or
whatever. (If there has to be a fourth group, call it internet industry, as
quite distinct from business in general, or the very narrow range of interests
represented by those who purport to represent the "internet community"
or "internet technical community"). </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> mmwg-bounces@wsis-cs.org
[mailto:mmwg-bounces@wsis-cs.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>William
Drake<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, 25 February 2006 5:24 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
mmwg@wsis-cs.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Mmwg] IGF Input<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=699570418-24022006><FONT face="Book Antiqua">Hi
Luc,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=699570418-24022006><FONT
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<DIV><SPAN class=699570418-24022006><FONT face="Book Antiqua">I don't see the
problem with respect to the chair's question. There are technical people
in each of the three societal sectors conventionally recognized in the UN and
beyond, and you don't have to create a new category catering to a
particular interest group in order to ensure that some technical
people get on a IGF boot-up team. There undoubtedly will be
some, as there has been in the past. Academics are in the
non-profit sector, aka CS, and they too have been included from the
start. Nobody has ever been excluded by anything other than their
personal circumstances (e.g. financial, time) or their disinterest in or
distaste for a dialogue in the UN context.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face="Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=699570418-24022006><FONT face="Book Antiqua">I'm supposed to
be crashing on a deadline rather than goofing off with email, so I can't go
back and revisit all the previous dialogues on this point, but you could
certainly look in the governance caucus archive and find some of them,
presumably there were some messages with correctly labeled subject
lines. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face="Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=699570418-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua">Best,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=699570418-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=699570418-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua">Bill</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=699570418-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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face="Book Antiqua"></FONT></P></DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Luc Faubert
[mailto:LFaubert@conceptum.ca]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 24, 2006 5:44
PM<BR><B>To:</B> William Drake; Avri Doria<BR><B>Cc:</B>
mmwg@wsis-cs.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Mmwg] IGF Input<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think composition of the Committee is
central to our Chair's question:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>"a) The need for a multistakeholder group to assist the the
Secretary-General in convening the IGF, what the mandate of this group
should be and <STRONG>how it should be
formed</STRONG>."<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>and, lifted from the transcripts (the
Chair speaking) :</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>"And a multistakeholder group, what people have different
ideas, A, on whether<BR>such a group is -- people want some time to
think whether such a group is<BR>necessary.<BR><BR>I think my sense is
that a very large number of people here do believe it is.<BR><BR>But, in
fairness, we have to give people time to react to that idea.<BR><BR>And
second, <STRONG>how it will be constituted</STRONG>, whether it will be
constituted as a<BR>single group, if so, how large, or whether it is
constituted as multiple<BR>groups.<BR><BR>So what I am proposing is that
this is one of the issues on which we need a<BR>response relatively
quickly, which is, let us say, ten -- about ten days
from<BR>now."<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>As for consensus on the
Technical/Academic house, from what I read here, there hasn't been consensus
on anything yet. We couldn't even reach consensus on chairs until we
voted.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Isn't having a T&A house a logical
way to garantee that the people who develop and run the Internet can bring
their perspective to the debate over how the Internet is to be developed and
run?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>I thought we were all
<STRONG>for</STRONG> multistakeholderism,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>- Luc Faubert</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>ISOC Québec</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> William Drake
[mailto:drake@hei.unige.ch]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Fri 2006-02-24
11:02<BR><B>To:</B> Luc Faubert; Avri Doria<BR><B>Cc:</B>
mmwg@wsis-cs.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Mmwg] IGF
Input<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=287305315-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua">Hi,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=287305315-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=287305315-24022006><FONT face="Book Antiqua">The
T&A issue has been debated at length in WGIG, the IG Caucus, and to
some extent here, and <SPAN class=287305315-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua">is consistent with the ISOC position in the IGF
consultations that "THE Internet community" should be recognized as a
fourth stakeholder grouping. </FONT></SPAN> Some of us have
been strongly opposed to creating this fourth category, some thought it a
good idea, others didn't care much either way. Without digging through
list archives I wouldn't venture to characterize the split between those
positions, but it is fair to say that it's never been a point on which
there's remotely been consensus. Since peoples' positions
probably haven't changed, we won't resolve it this weekend before providing
an IGF input, and we don't have to, it's hardly central to Desai's
questions.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face="Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=287305315-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua">Best,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=287305315-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=287305315-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua">Bill</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face="Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> mmwg-bounces@wsis-cs.org
[mailto:mmwg-bounces@wsis-cs.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Luc
Faubert<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 24, 2006 3:40 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
Avri Doria<BR><B>Cc:</B> mmwg@wsis-cs.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Mmwg]
IGF Input<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sorry Avri and all. Should've been
"Gov, Biz, CS and T&A".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>T&A is Technical and
Academic.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>You're right about the priorities. We
have enough on our hands now,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>- Luc Faubert</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>ISOC Québec</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Avri Doria
[mailto:avri@psg.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Fri 2006-02-24 09:04<BR><B>To:</B>
Luc Faubert<BR><B>Cc:</B> mmwg@wsis-cs.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Mmwg]
IGF Input<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>On 24 feb 2006, at 14.51, Luc Faubert wrote:</DIV><BR
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">5 regions x 1 rep from 4
groups (Gov, Biz, PS and T&A) = 20
members.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV>
<DIV>did you mean biz and CS (PS is private sector usually understood as
biz)</DIV>
<DIV>and T&A is probably not the american T&A :-)</DIV>
<DIV>- do you mean the Internet technical and operational community and
academics?</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">Second
question was about priority of themes to be discussed in Athens. Will we
submit a prioritized list of themes ?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>is that a modalities question
and thus one for this group? or is that more of a governance caucus
question?
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