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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=859150816-25022006>So, </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=859150816-25022006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=859150816-25022006>It seems we are all in favor of
the multistakehoder approach until it reaches our own piece of
cake.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=859150816-25022006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=859150816-25022006>The same thing happened with governments, some time
ago. They used to think that CS shouldnt play a central role in any discussion,
because the elected government officers were the only ones who will advocate for
the general public interests. Of course, there were also "representation"
issues, but we don´t want to discuss about that.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=859150816-25022006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=859150816-25022006>The Internet Technical community, wich has specific
interests, is mainly composed by ICANN, ISOC, IETF, NRO, etc. These are the guys
who are running the net right now. Some of the participants of these structures
also participate in other groups, with different interests, in the PS or CS. So
what? </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=859150816-25022006>We are talking here about the advocation for
different and unique interests.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=859150816-25022006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=859150816-25022006>Goofing off with emails can help us to develop a truly
multistakeholder vision, and form there, give Mr. Desai the answers he is
looking for. What´s the point in fulfill the deadline if you can´t agree on a
basic principle, which, on the other hand, seems to be the essence of this
discussion list?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=859150816-25022006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=859150816-25022006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=859150816-25022006>Sebastian </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>De:</B> mmwg-bounces@wsis-cs.org
[mailto:mmwg-bounces@wsis-cs.org] <B>En nombre de </B>William
Drake<BR><B>Enviado el:</B> Viernes, 24 de Febrero de 2006 03:24
p.m.<BR><B>Para:</B> mmwg@wsis-cs.org<BR><B>Asunto:</B> RE: [Mmwg] IGF
Input<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=699570418-24022006><FONT face="Book Antiqua">Hi
Luc,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=699570418-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=699570418-24022006><FONT face="Book Antiqua">I don't see the
problem with respect to the chair's question. There are technical people
in each of the three societal sectors conventionally recognized in the UN and
beyond, and you don't have to create a new category catering to a
particular interest group in order to ensure that some technical
people get on a IGF boot-up team. There undoubtedly will be some, as
there has been in the past. Academics are in the non-profit sector,
aka CS, and they too have been included from the start. Nobody has
ever been excluded by anything other than their personal circumstances (e.g.
financial, time) or their disinterest in or distaste for a dialogue in the
UN context.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=699570418-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=699570418-24022006><FONT face="Book Antiqua">I'm supposed to be
crashing on a deadline rather than goofing off with email, so I can't go back
and revisit all the previous dialogues on this point, but you could certainly
look in the governance caucus archive and find some of them, presumably there
were some messages with correctly labeled subject lines.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=699570418-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=699570418-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua">Best,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=699570418-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=699570418-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua">Bill</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=699570418-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Book Antiqua"></FONT></P></DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Luc Faubert
[mailto:LFaubert@conceptum.ca]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 24, 2006 5:44
PM<BR><B>To:</B> William Drake; Avri Doria<BR><B>Cc:</B>
mmwg@wsis-cs.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Mmwg] IGF Input<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think composition of the Committee is
central to our Chair's question:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>"a) The need for a multistakeholder group to assist the the
Secretary-General in convening the IGF, what the mandate of this group
should be and <STRONG>how it should be
formed</STRONG>."<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>and, lifted from the transcripts (the
Chair speaking) :</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>"And a multistakeholder group, what people have different
ideas, A, on whether<BR>such a group is -- people want some time to think
whether such a group is<BR>necessary.<BR><BR>I think my sense is that a
very large number of people here do believe it is.<BR><BR>But, in
fairness, we have to give people time to react to that idea.<BR><BR>And
second, <STRONG>how it will be constituted</STRONG>, whether it will be
constituted as a<BR>single group, if so, how large, or whether it is
constituted as multiple<BR>groups.<BR><BR>So what I am proposing is that
this is one of the issues on which we need a<BR>response relatively
quickly, which is, let us say, ten -- about ten days
from<BR>now."<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>As for consensus on the
Technical/Academic house, from what I read here, there hasn't been consensus
on anything yet. We couldn't even reach consensus on chairs until we
voted.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Isn't having a T&A house a logical
way to garantee that the people who develop and run the Internet can bring
their perspective to the debate over how the Internet is to be developed and
run?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>I thought we were all
<STRONG>for</STRONG> multistakeholderism,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>- Luc Faubert</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>ISOC Québec</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> William Drake
[mailto:drake@hei.unige.ch]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Fri 2006-02-24 11:02<BR><B>To:</B>
Luc Faubert; Avri Doria<BR><B>Cc:</B> mmwg@wsis-cs.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[Mmwg] IGF Input<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=287305315-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua">Hi,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=287305315-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=287305315-24022006><FONT face="Book Antiqua">The
T&A issue has been debated at length in WGIG, the IG Caucus, and to
some extent here, and <SPAN class=287305315-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua">is consistent with the ISOC position in the IGF
consultations that "THE Internet community" should be recognized as a
fourth stakeholder grouping. </FONT></SPAN> Some of us have
been strongly opposed to creating this fourth category, some thought it a good
idea, others didn't care much either way. Without digging through list
archives I wouldn't venture to characterize the split between those positions,
but it is fair to say that it's never been a point on which there's remotely
been consensus. Since peoples' positions probably haven't changed,
we won't resolve it this weekend before providing an IGF input, and we don't
have to, it's hardly central to Desai's questions.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=287305315-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=287305315-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua">Best,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=287305315-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=287305315-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua">Bill</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=287305315-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=287305315-24022006><FONT
face="Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> mmwg-bounces@wsis-cs.org
[mailto:mmwg-bounces@wsis-cs.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Luc
Faubert<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 24, 2006 3:40 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Avri
Doria<BR><B>Cc:</B> mmwg@wsis-cs.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Mmwg] IGF
Input<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sorry Avri and all. Should've been
"Gov, Biz, CS and T&A".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>T&A is Technical and
Academic.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>You're right about the priorities. We
have enough on our hands now,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>- Luc Faubert</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>ISOC Québec</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Avri Doria
[mailto:avri@psg.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Fri 2006-02-24 09:04<BR><B>To:</B> Luc
Faubert<BR><B>Cc:</B> mmwg@wsis-cs.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Mmwg] IGF
Input<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>On 24 feb 2006, at 14.51, Luc Faubert wrote:</DIV><BR
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">5 regions x 1 rep from 4
groups (Gov, Biz, PS and T&A) = 20
members.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV>
<DIV>did you mean biz and CS (PS is private sector usually understood as
biz)</DIV>
<DIV>and T&A is probably not the american T&A :-)</DIV>
<DIV>- do you mean the Internet technical and operational community and
academics?</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">Second
question was about priority of themes to be discussed in Athens. Will we
submit a prioritized list of themes ?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"> </P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>is that a modalities question
and thus one for this group? or is that more of a governance caucus
question?
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<DIV>a.</DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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