<div>Thanks Adam,</div>
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<div>Your answer is clear enough at that stage. </div>
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<div>Bertrand<br><br> </div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/8/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Adam Peake</b> <<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Yes, your question is a bit complicated and you<br>are asking about things that have not been<br>decided. I've a feeling I will only confuse
<br>things more. But...<br><br>General background. As mentioned during the last<br>consultation by George Papadatos for the Greek<br>hosts, the facility is called the Astir Palace,<br>it's about 25 km from the center of Athens, about
<br>25 km from the main airport. Selected partly<br>because it's a nice place and partly that it has<br>some rooms available (George told us facilities<br>of this size are booked up a long time in<br>advance.) The hosts have secured 4 rooms, one
<br>with a capacity of between 600-800 people, and 3<br>that are somewhere between 100 and 200. Hosts<br>cover the costs of these rooms, have apparently<br>arranged discount hotel rates (no details.)<br><br>I think this is the right website, but not been
<br>confirmed <<a href="http://www.astir-palace.com/en/">http://www.astir-palace.com/en/</a>> (I<br>might be wrong!)<br><br>Your questions.<br><br><br>At 1:51 AM +0200 6/8/06, Bertrand de La Chapelle wrote:<br>>Dear Adam and Jeanette,
<br>><br>>I find this exchange interesting but this does<br>>not answer my initial question regarding the<br>>articulation between workshops and general<br>>sessions as presented on the IGF site. Let me<br>
>repeat it :<br>><br>>Do I understand well that each of the four<br>>tracks would have a general session of three<br>>hours in the main hallAND workshops in smaller<br>>rooms that should not overlap with thegeneral
<br>>sessions. (quote : Workshops dealing with topics<br>>being dealt with in the main meeting will not be<br>>scheduled at the same time as the main meeting).<br>><br><br><br>Yes, each of the 4 tracks will have a general
<br>session, whether that session will be 3 hours or<br>split (90 minutes/90 minutes) is being discussed<br>now. As a result the workshops and whether they<br>should staggered or can be overlapping is also<br>being discussed.
<br><br><<a href="http://www.intgovforum.org/table.htm">http://www.intgovforum.org/table.htm</a>><br><br>Take the morning of day 2. Main theme Openness<br>(free flow of information, ideas, and access to<br>knowledge.) If the session in the main hall is
<br>"Openness", and we avoid overlaps, there will be<br>workshops on Security, Diversity and Access in<br>the 3 smaller rooms plus opportunities for "off<br>theme" workshops. Those workshops would most
<br>likely be 90 minutes. So, perhaps a 3 hour<br>session plus 6 x 90 minute workshops: e.g.<br>openness plus a couple of workshops looking at<br>access issues, 1 on security, 1 on diversity and<br>a couple on other subjects not related to the 4
<br>themes.<br><br>You can imagine the permutations of sessions and<br>workshops being considered (clearer if you draw a<br>matrix.)<br><br><br>>Or are the so-called general sessions only on the first and last day ?<br>
><br><br><br>In addition the the thematic sessions (day 2 & 3)<br>on day 1 there will be an opening ceremony,<br>followed by some scene setting (we have not got<br>into detail of what this will be.)<br><br>The final day will be a wrap-up, how to move
<br>towards Brazil, and an emerging issues session<br>organized by Youth (intended to be forward<br>looking.) Youth = under 30 (with a bit of dye and<br>botex I shall pass...)<br><br>There might be workshops on the first and last
<br>day. I think (my personal opinion, not<br>channeling any MAG decision) holding workshops<br>against the opening ceremonies will be hard to<br>get past protocol. We aren't organizing a UN<br>meeting, but it's convened by the secretary
<br>general and if senior people attend the<br>organizers are likely to want some respect shown<br>(if the Greek PM speaks, even for 5 minutes, what<br>would the Greek hosts say if we tried to schedule<br>a parallel workshop?)
<br><br>I don't see why there shouldn't be workshops (or<br>some kind of session to use the space available)<br>parallel to all other sessions.<br><br>I think it would be a shame to leave space unused.<br><br><br>>If it is the later, what is this criteria of non-overlap about ?
<br>><br>>If it is the former, does that mean that<br>>workshops on any of the four tracksshould take<br>>place in parallel with a main session on<br>>anothertrack ? And if so, what happens for the<br>>fourth track ?
<br><br><br>Are the above 2 questions clearer now?<br><br><br>>Can there be a clear answer to thsi ? Or maybe it's in flux ?<br>><br><br><br>I've a feeling I have probably confused things further!<br><br>Adam<br><br>
<br><br>>B.<br>><br>><br>>On 6/7/06, Jeanette Hofmann<br>><<mailto:<a href="mailto:jeanette@wz-berlin.de">jeanette@wz-berlin.de</a>><a href="mailto:jeanette@wz-berlin.de">jeanette@wz-berlin.de</a>>
<br>>wrote:<br>><br>>One of the more or less obvious selection criteria for workshops is the<br>>multi stakeholder approach. Multi stakeholder in this context can or<br>>should be understood as diversity. The forum's specific feature will be
<br>>the combination of people, opinions and interests coming together to<br>>discuss issues. So, it would be good if you and others think about<br>>proposals that take into consideration aspects such as practical
<br>>relevance of the topic, diversity of views and, if possible, potential<br>>outcomes.<br>><br>>Another aspect concerns the structure of the workshop. One of the things<br>>the MAG seems to agree upon is that we don't want lengthy presentations
<br>>or talks. A workshop proposal could also give an idea of _how_ a given<br>>topic will be discussed.<br>><br>>jeanette<br>><br>>Adam Peake (<mailto:<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp">ajp@glocom.ac.jp
</a>> <a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>) wrote:<br>>> On 6/8/06, Vittorio Bertola<br>>><<mailto:<a href="mailto:vb@bertola.eu.org">vb@bertola.eu.org</a>><a href="mailto:vb@bertola.eu.org">
vb@bertola.eu.org</a>><br>>>wrote:<br>>>> Jeanette Hofmann ha scritto:<br>>>> > Is it that you would like to see these topics addressed by someone or<br>>>> > would you like to organize a workshop yourself or know of someone
<br>>>> who is<br>>>> > interested? My guess is that we only get somewhere if we come up with<br>>>>> concrete suggestions and concepts.<br>>>><br>>>> I would like to be more practical, but how can I organize anything, if
<br>>>> it is unclear what needs to be organized, where, when, how to submit<br>>>> proposals, and even whether I would be allowed to make such proposals?<br>>>><br>>>> I think that the MAG needs to come up with a clearer framework for these
<br>>>> requests to be presented, possibly before discussing them :-)<br>>><br>>> That's what MAG is trying to do. Didn't I say as much last week and<br>>> when replying to Milton -- we're trying to come up with a call for
<br>>> workshops.But you asked a question so Jeanette tried to answer.<br>>><br>>> You asked "I'm not sure that they fit in any of the four tracks. I<br>>> still have to understand whether it will be possible to discuss these
<br>>> things freely"The best answer I can give is on the IGF website:<br>>><br>>> "Any subject on Internet governance can be scheduled for a workshop.<br>>> While many workshops will be oriented within the specific daily
<br>>> themes, a number of workshops slots each day will be made available to<br>>> deal with important topics that do not fit easily within the five main<br>>> themes of the conference but which are nonetheless of importance to
<br>>> many of the stakeholders.All workshops will be audiocast."<br>>><br>>><br>>><<<a href="http://www.intgovforum.org/athens_outline.htm">http://www.intgovforum.org/athens_outline.htm
</a>><br>>><a href="http://www.intgovforum.org/athens_outline.htm">http://www.intgovforum.org/athens_outline.htm</a>><br>>><br>>> As I said, we're working on a call for workshop proposals so obviously
<br>>> we can't answer your question definitively.<br>>><br>>> Adam<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>>> --<br>>>> vb. [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola<br>>>>[a]
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