<div>hi all</div>
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<div>for me the modalities are crucial, because IMHO the IG process is multi-stakeholer but it is practically restricted to the ones that can invest the time to follow the massive information load on the mailing lists.</div>
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<div>Exploring better tools and (probably more important) developing the policies/codes of conduct to make efficient use of them might be one of the more long-term goals but it is also what might have high impact on spreading the MS approach.
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<div>To pioneer and promote more efficient modalities for discours participation and collectiv decision making sounds very interesting to me.</div>
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<div>hasta pronto</div>
<div>max </div>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/28/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Avri Doria</b> <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">fpr some reason this did not get through. While I am following up on<br>that...<br><br>Begin forwarded message:
<br><br>><br>> -------- Original Message --------<br>> Subject: Re: [Mmwg] does this list live?<br>> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:06:45 +0200<br>> From: DRAKE William <<a href="mailto:drake@hei.unige.ch">drake@hei.unige.ch
</a>><br>> Organization: HEI, Geneva<br>> To: MMWG <<a href="mailto:mmwg@wsis-cs.org">mmwg@wsis-cs.org</a>><br>> References: <<a href="mailto:BCB2E7C0-9D9D-4955-8882-51ADA83A04F9@acm.org">BCB2E7C0-9D9D-4955-8882-51ADA83A04F9@acm.org
</a>><br>> <<a href="mailto:954259bd0708280417lfa1647asdd2bd49f8323bced@mail.gmail.com">954259bd0708280417lfa1647asdd2bd49f8323bced@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>> <<a href="mailto:20070828111906.2309A1E5C2C@mail.gn.apc.org">
20070828111906.2309A1E5C2C@mail.gn.apc.org</a>><br>><br>> Hi,<br>><br>> Thanks Avri for reminding me of the Meissen equation. Alas, it<br>> probably<br>> sounded better to us there and then than it will here and now; might
<br>> have been the wine. And anyway my issues with the enhanced cooperation<br>> component and its relation to MS remain. Most EC has been IGC or PSC<br>> not MSC (much less MSG), ergo ¡ÆC3 isn't MSG---indeed, some of its key
<br>> instanciations have been quite contrary to MSG as promised in the<br>> TA and<br>> envisioned by the MMWG.<br>><br>> M-O-U-S-E...I can't believe I wrote the last sentence with a straight<br>> face. I guess the summer really is over...
<br>><br>> Anyway, like Karen, I think the difficulties and challenges weigh more<br>> heavily in my mind at the moment than elaborating modalities. One<br>> would<br>> like to think the latter might be a way around the former, but it's
<br>> not<br>> clear that the problems are tractable via such niceties. I'm open to<br>> persuasion, but a priori it sounds like an invitation to count<br>> angels on<br>> the head of a pin while the real action is being conducted with rather
<br>> different cutlery.<br>><br>> BD<br>><br>> karen banks wrote:<br>>> hi<br>>> i'm kind of interested in practical modalities.. but i think i'm<br>>> more interested in practical difficulties and challenges ;)
<br>>> karen<br>>> ps.. and MSG makes me think of bad chinese food!<br>>> At 12:17 28/08/2007, Bertrand de La Chapelle wrote:<br>>>> Hi Avri,<br>>>><br>>>> I received it. So it works.
<br>>>><br>>>> As an explanation of the post-scriptum to me from Avri, we both<br>>>> participated in Wolfgang's Summer School on Internet Governance<br>>>> in Meissen and had interesting exchanges with other actors on the
<br>>>> concept of multi-stakeholder governance or MSG.<br>>>><br>>>> Given the name and purpose of this list, we were wondering if it<br>>>> could be used to hold more focussed discussions on practical
<br>>>> modalities for multi-stakeholder processes, particularly of<br>>>> course concerning the IGF.<br>>>><br>>>> Several questions will have to be answered in that context,<br>>>> including the multi-stakeholder nature and structure of the
<br>>>> dynamic coalitions (cf. the agenda for the September 3<br>>>> consultations), the composition and designation of the MAG (or<br>>>> whatever name it takes), the possible elaboration of<br>
>>> recommendations, etc...<br>>>><br>>>> Would exploring this potential role be considered useful by the<br>>>> subscribers of the list ?<br>>>><br>>>> Best<br>>>>
<br>>>> Bertrand<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On 8/27/07, Avri Doria <<mailto:<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>><a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">
avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br>>>> and should it live?<br>>>><br>>>> if so, should it do anything?<br>>>><br>>>> if so, what?<br>>>><br>>>> just wondering!<br>
>>><br>>>> a.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> Bertrand, maybe this a place to continue the discussion about MSG<br>>>> theory (MultiStakeholder Governance) from Meissen.<br>>>> <
<a href="http://psg.com/~avri/meissen-formula.html">http://psg.com/~avri/meissen-formula.html</a>><a href="http://psg.com/~avri/">http://psg.com/~avri/</a><br>>>> meissen-formula.html for a 'silly' formalism
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