From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  1 10:04:27 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:25 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS THETHA] THETHA - "ICT Policy Organisations and Processes"
In-Reply-To: <04d101c3e688$f6944a00$0200a8c0@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <20040201100427.8320.qmail@web60702.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Sean,
Thanks for you message and invitation.
Many of those who participated to the last SWIS Phase
Geneva in December 2003 have a lot to say on the lake
of reprentativity and visibility of civile society in
Geneva.
The domination of English has been underlined and
denounced by the official delegations at the end of
the Summit (Chineese, Spanish, Arabic and French).
As the second round of the Summit (Tunis 2005) will
take place in a French and arabic speaking country I
would like to know if your discussion will give place
to French speaking members, if not we will have to try
to promote our own discussion groups.
Best regards
Djilali
--- Sean Moroney <sean@aitecafrica.com> wrote:
> We would welcome input from this event into the
> Commonwealth
> Telecommunications Organisation conference on
> Implementing the WSIS Action
> Plan, to be held in Nairobi over 25-26 March. Full
> details are available at
> http://www.aitecafrica.com/Kenya/cto.htm
> 
> Sean Moroney
> sean@aitecafrica.com
> AITEC Exhibitions & Conferences
> 20 Wellington St, St Ives, Cambridgeshire PE27 5AZ,
> UK
> Tel: +44-1480-495595 Fax: +44-1480-495596
> www.aitecafrica.com
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Barnard" <dbarnard@sangonet.org.za>
> To: "wsis" <wsis@lists.sn.apc.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 7:00 AM
> Subject: [WSIS THETHA] THETHA - "ICT Policy
> Organisations and Processes"
> 
> 
> > THETHA - THE SANGONeT ICT DISCUSSION FORUM
> >
> > Organised by SANGONeT and the Open Knowledge
> Network
> >
> > "ICT Policy Organisations and Processes"
> >
> > 11 February 2004
> >
> > There are many official organisations and
> processes around policy on
> > Information & Communications Technology (ICT) -
> and it all can be quite
> > confusing for anyone who would like to become
> involved in these
> initiatives.
> >
> > Do you know your acronyms - PNC-ISAD, GCIS MPCC,
> USA,DoC, Convergence,
> > ICASA, WSIS, etc.?
> >
> > This meeting will seek to explain the range of
> national ICT organisations
> > and processes, and work towards a network for
> > sharing information between civil society
> organisations to become more
> > engaged in this regard. The aim is to exchange
> information, and if
> possible,
> > coordinate fuller involvement of civil society
> organisations in ICT
> > processes.
> >
> > The focus of the meeting will be based on the
> findings of a research
> project
> > which was funded by the Netherlands institute for
> Southern Africa (NiZA),
> > and coordinated by the Freedom of Expression
> Institute (FXI) and National
> > Community Radio Forum (NCRF).
> >
> > The meeting will also include feedback from the
> World Summit on the
> > Information Society (WSIS) which was held from
> 10-12
> > December 2003 in Geneva, Switzerland.
> >
> > DATE: Wednesday, 11 February 2004
> > TIME: 09h00 - 13h00
> > VENUE: Classroom F, LINK Centre, Campus of Wits
> > Business School, cnr St Andrews & St Davids Road,
> Parktown,
> > Johannesburg.
> >
> > Background documentation will be circulated to
> interested organisations.
> >
> > This meeting forms part of Thetha - The SANGONeT
> ICT  Discussion Forum,
> and
> > is organised in conjunction with the Open
> > Knowledge Network (OKN).
> >
> > If you are interested in participating in this
> Thetha, please contact
> Malefu
> > Thibedi at SANGONeT before 9 February 2004 on:
> >
> > Tel: (011) 403-4935 / E-mail:
> malefut@sangonet.org.za or
> > thetha@sangonet.org.za
> >
> > Participation in the Thetha is free of charge.
> >
> > For more information on Thetha - The SANGONeT ICT
> Discussion Forum, please
> > visit the SANGONeT website at -
> > http://www.sangonet.org.za
> >
> > For more information on the Open Knowledge Network
> (OKN), please visit -
> > http://www.openknowledge.net
> >
> > "Come Thetha with us"
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________
> > WSIS mailing list
> > WSIS@lists.sn.apc.org
> > http://lists.sn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/wsis
> 
> _______________________________________
> WSIS mailing list
> WSIS@lists.sn.apc.org
> http://lists.sn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/wsis
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  2 10:00:46 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:25 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Why WSIS-05 May Hold in Tunisia
In-Reply-To: <003101c3e1fd$c5528180$0a00000a@default>
Message-ID: <20040202100046.9468.qmail@web60702.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Jean Louis for this proposal i strongly
support.
We must first move to WSIS may hold in Tunisia under
conditions that Tunisian civile society inside and out
Tunisia is the main concerned level, following advoces
from african civile society then French speaking
civile society then arabic speaking civile society.
Stop to the "Dictature" of North and English speaking
civile society.... We can do a lot of progress which
profit to tunisian people before dividing world civile
society between pro and anti Tunisia especially
because such debate hes not occured when UNO decided
to held the Summit in Geneva (and those who
participated to the first phase of the Summit must
have a lot to say about) then in Tunisia.
Please let's have a strategy to give capacities to the
South part of the global civile society... time is
running and we are not doing anything.
Best regards
Djilali      
--- Fullsack Jean-Louis <jlfullsack@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> Thanks Ralf for these very serious information.
> This stresses the close and continuous attention CS
> has to pay for the
> tunisian phase of the Summit, and even envisage its
> boycott. Anyway, CS has
> to maintain a permanent pressure on tunisian
> officials as well as WSIS
> organisers having in mind human rights respect and
> freedom of expression as
> unconditional prerequisites to its participation.
> However our decision should be made in accordance
> with the tunisian NGOs and
> mainly those involved in defending human rights and
> basic liberties.
> After all, there are some african countries that do
> their best in terms of
> HR respects. So let's give them the chance to
> organise the final Summit.
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> CSDPTT - France
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ralf Bendrath"
> <ralf.bendrath@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
> To: "wsis-cs-plenary" <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 12:05 PM
> Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Why WSIS-05 May Not Hold
> in Tunisia
> 
> 
> > http://allafrica.com/stories/200401220684.html
> >
> > Why WSIS-05 May Not Hold in Tunisia
> >
> > Daily Champion (Lagos)
> > January 22, 2004
> > Remmy Nweke, Lagos
> >
> > AS the campaign to cushion the lapses witnessed in
> the first-phase of
> > World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS)
> hots up, and the Tunisian
> > Government warms up for the preparation of the
> second phase of WSIS in
> > 2005, press freedom groups may scuttle the plans.
> >
> > This is coming in the wake of alleged human rights
> and press freedom
> > abuses by the government of Tunisia.
> >
> > The Press Freedom groups under the aegis of World
> Association of
> > Newspapers (WAN), Journaliste en danger (JED),
> along with World Press
> > Freedom Committee, the Committee to Protect
> Journalists, Inter American
> > Press Association, International Association of
> Broadcasting,
> > International Federation of the Periodical Press,
> International Press
> > Institute and the North American Broadcasters
> Association are urging
> > summit organizers to cancel plans to hold the 2005
> follow-up summit in
> > Tunisia.
> >
> > According to them, "The second phase of the WSIS
> should not be held
> > there because of the country's serious human
> rights abuses," a statement
> > issued by the groups said.
> >
> > "The Tunisian press is censored, journalists are
> jailed along with
> > hundreds of other political prisoners, and
> organsiation of the Tunis
> > summit has been assigned to a military general
> alleged to be responsible
> > for the torture of political prisoners," the
> groups added.
> >
> > They also called for the 2005 meeting to be either
> held in a country
> > known for respecting press freedom or be put-off.
> >
> > WAN which is leading the campaign, added that
> unless the Tunisian
> > government improves its human rights records,
> holding WSIS-05 in the
> > country would bring the WSIS process into
> disrepute.,This, the groups
> > maintained would "completely undermine WSIS
> declaration's reaffirmation
> > on the principles of free information and free
> expression".
> >
> > Meanwhile, Reporters Without Borders (RSF) last
> weekend, accused the
> > Tunisian authorities of blocking the development
> of an independent press
> > in the country after journalist Sihem Bensedrine
> failed in her attempt
> > to register the weekly newspaper "Kalima".
> >
> > Bensedrine was turned away when she tried to begin
> the registration
> > process for the bilingual publication at the
> Interior Ministry's offices
> > on 13 January 2004.,"This latest unsuccessful
> attempt to publish the
> > newspaper 'Kalima' provides additional evidence of
> the Tunisian
> > authorities' determination to keep the press under
> control," said RSF
> > Secretary-General, Mr. Robert Ménard.
> >
> > "President Ben Ali has publicly declared his
> support for freedom of
> > information but deliberately prevents the creation
> of an independent
> > press. Against this backdrop, the holding of the
> second phase of the
> > World Summit on the Information Society in Tunis
> in 2005 is a scandal,"
> > Ménard added.,This is the third time since 1999
> that Bensedrine has
> > attempted to file a "preliminary statement" for
> "Kalima" with the
> > Interior Ministry. A home-produced version of the
> newspaper is currently
> > published on an irregular basis and distributed
> unofficially. "Kalima"'s
> > website, which is hosted abroad, continues to be
> blocked within Tunisia.
> >
> > Anticipating a setback at the ministry's offices,
> Bensedrine decided to
> > invite witnesses to observe her request for
> registration. "Kalima"'s
> > editorial committee, her lawyer, Member of
> Parliament Mokhtar Djalali
> > and Tunisian Human Rights League President Mokhtar
> Trifi accompanied the
> > journalist.
> >
> > She was once again able to show proof of President
> Zine el-Abidine Ben
> > Ali's refusal to liberalise the press in Tunisia,
> RSF noted. On January
> > 14, Bensedrine was subjected to a particularly
> thorough search at Tunis
> > airport before boarding a flight to Germany, while
> a copy of "Kalima"
> > was confiscated from her as well as three CD-ROMs
> containing personal
> > data.
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >
>
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From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Mon Feb  2 16:19:47 2004
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata BLOEM)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:25 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Info for WSIS Phase 2
Message-ID: <IBEGJNBEEELEANPJGINMKECCDFAA.rbloem@ngocongo.org>

voir Francais en-bas


Dear all,

For your information, I received a call on Friday (30 February) to meet with
the Tunesian Minister of Communication Technologies and Transport, Mr. Sadok
Rabah, who was here in Geneva to meet with his Swiss Government
Counterparts, with Mr Uzumi, also with members of the Secretariat to give a
boost to relance the process towards Tunesia 2005. (In this context the ITU
meeting, 26-27 February is, as many of you pointed already out, an internal
technical ITU w-shop to feed into the UN ICT Task Force Open Forum in New
York, 25-27 March, on Internet Governance  and not directly part of the WSIS
2 preparatory process. However, it will determine by its outcome the
appointment of the IG WG by the Secretay General)

The Tunesian Minister wanted to inform us about some of the preparatory
steps envisioned and at the same time to ensure us that his government wants
the full participation of Civil Society in the whole process.

The first step will be an informal meeting with all stakeholders, scheduled
for 4-5 March, to be held in Tunesia to brainstorm on the process and added
value of WSIS phase 2. Following this meeting would come a more formal
meeting to  prepare for the first PrepCom. Dates for this more formal
meeting are not yet set. Mentioned were end April,end May or beginning of
July. For the first meeting he wanted at least the CS Bureau to attend.

But now comes the crux: Tunesia has the capacity to help with all
infrastructure inside of Tunesia, would also help e.g. to set up logistics
for CS if they wanted to hold a preparatory meeting on 3 March to develop
strategies. But they do not have funds for travel, nor the ability to
transfer anything out of the country, to let any stakeholder, including CS
come to Tunesia.

On another point he told me that that his Government would appoint two
Tunesian delegates to be part of the Secretariat for CS. When I asked if
they could not continue to work with Alain and Louise, he said they would
if somebody else would finance them, meaning if this would happen they would
then have 4 CSDs. (The financing of the CSD has just come to an end here as
of 31 January)

In short: CS is welcomed (and to my question also with critical voices) but
has to look for its own means.

CONGO will organize a Briefing on WSIS 1 and Phase 2 shortly. I will keep
you informed.

With best regards,

Renate Bloem
President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)



Chers coll?gues et amis,

Pour votre information, j'ai re?u un coup de t?l?phone vendredi (30
f?vrier)me demandant de rencontrer le Ministre tunisien des technologies de
l'information et des transports, M. Sadok Rabah, qui ?tait ? Gen?ve pour
une rencontre avec ses homologues du gouvernement suisse, avec M. Uzumi et
d'autres membres du Secr?tariat pour relancer le processus portant ?
Tunisie 2005. (Dans ce contexte, la rencontre de l'UIT du 26 - 27 f?vrier
est, comme nombre d'entre vous l'ont d?j? fait remarquer, un s?minaire
technique interne de l'UIT cens? donner un input ? l'ICT Task Force Open
Forum de l'ONU, qui se tiendra ? New York du 25 au 27 mars, sur la
gouvenance d'internet et il ne fait pas directement partie du processus
pr?paratoire du SMSI phase 2. Cependant, son issue sera la nomination du
groupe de travail intergouvernemental par le Secr?taire g?n?ral).

Le ministre tunisien voulait nous donner quelques informations sur quelques
?l?ments pr?paratoire et en m?me temps nous rassurer sur le fait que son
gouvernement veut bien la participation de la soci?t? civile dans tout le
processus.

Le premier pas sera une r?union informelle de tous les concern?s, pr?vue
pour le 4 - 5 mars ? Tunis pour discuter des issues possibles du SMSI phase
2. Apr?s cette r?union il y en aura une autre, plus formelle, de
pr?paration pour la premi?re Prepcom. Les dates de cette r?union plus
formelle ne sont pas encore fix?es, mais on a mentionn? fin avril, fin mai
ou d?but juin. Pour la premi?re r?union il aimerait qu'au moins le Bureau
SC participe.

Mais maintenant vient le point important: la Tunisie peut aider avec toute
l'infrastructure n?cessaire ? l'int?rieur de la Tunisie, et ils aideraient
par exemple aussi ? mettre sur pied l'infrastructure n?cessaire pour la
soci?t? civile si celle-ci souhaitait tenir une r?union pr?paratoire le 3
mars pour d?velopper des strat?gies. Mais ils n'ont pas de fonds pour les
voyages, ni la capacit? de transf?rer quoi que ce soit hors du pays pour
permettre aux participants, y compris la soci?t? civile, de venir en
Tunisie.

Sur un autre point il m'a dit que son gouvernement allait nommer deux
d?l?gu?s tunisiens au Secr?tariat de la SC. Lorsque j'ai demand? s'ils ne
pourraient pas continuer ? travailler avec Alain et Louise, il m'a dit que
oui si quelqu'un d'autre ?tait pr?t ? les financer, ce qui veut dire que si
ceci arrivait il y aurait 4 DSC (le financement des DSC vient de s'achever
ici le 31 janvier).

En bref: la CS est la bienvenue (et en r?pondant ? ma question il a dit
qu'elle l'est aussi avec des voix critiques), mais elle doit chercher ses
propres moyens.

Quant ? CONGO, nous allons organiser un briefing sur la phase 1 et 2 du
SMSI sous peu. Je vous tiendrai au courant.

Avec mes salutations les plus cordiales
Renate Bloem
Pr?sidente de la Conf?rence des ONGs (CONGO)
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From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Mon Feb  2 17:19:34 2004
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Fullsack Jean-Louis)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Info for WSIS Phase 2
References: <IBEGJNBEEELEANPJGINMKECCDFAA.rbloem@ngocongo.org>
Message-ID: <003501c3e9b0$bb0fda00$0a00000a@default>

(english below)

"Dis Mr ONG, c'est encore loin la Tunisie?"
"Tais-toi Mme ONG et nage !"
Pardon pour cet humour douteux car ce que nous apprend Renate n'est vraiment
pas marrant.
Merci Renate pour ces infos importantes qu'il faudra bien m?diter et
discuter.

Cordialement ? tous
Jean-Louis Fullsack

"Hey, Mr NGO, is it far Tunisia ? "
" Shut up and swim Mrs NGO"
I apologize for this poor humour because what Renate is telling us isn't
really funny.
Thanks Renate for these important informations we should mull over and
discuss.

Best regards
Jean-Louis Fullsack

----- Original Message -----
From: "Renata BLOEM" <rbloem@ngocongo.org>
To: "CS Bureau" <bureau@geneva2003.org>; "CS Plenary" <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Cc: "Sheila Bordier" <congo@ngocongo.org>; "Isolda Agazzi"
<isolda.agazzi@ngocongo.org>; "Rik Panganiban" <rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org>
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:19 PM
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Info for WSIS Phase 2


> voir Francais en-bas
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> For your information, I received a call on Friday (30 February) to meet
with
> the Tunesian Minister of Communication Technologies and Transport, Mr.
Sadok
> Rabah, who was here in Geneva to meet with his Swiss Government
> Counterparts, with Mr Uzumi, also with members of the Secretariat to give
a
> boost to relance the process towards Tunesia 2005. (In this context the
ITU
> meeting, 26-27 February is, as many of you pointed already out, an
internal
> technical ITU w-shop to feed into the UN ICT Task Force Open Forum in New
> York, 25-27 March, on Internet Governance  and not directly part of the
WSIS
> 2 preparatory process. However, it will determine by its outcome the
> appointment of the IG WG by the Secretay General)
>
> The Tunesian Minister wanted to inform us about some of the preparatory
> steps envisioned and at the same time to ensure us that his government
wants
> the full participation of Civil Society in the whole process.
>
> The first step will be an informal meeting with all stakeholders,
scheduled
> for 4-5 March, to be held in Tunesia to brainstorm on the process and
added
> value of WSIS phase 2. Following this meeting would come a more formal
> meeting to  prepare for the first PrepCom. Dates for this more formal
> meeting are not yet set. Mentioned were end April,end May or beginning of
> July. For the first meeting he wanted at least the CS Bureau to attend.
>
> But now comes the crux: Tunesia has the capacity to help with all
> infrastructure inside of Tunesia, would also help e.g. to set up logistics
> for CS if they wanted to hold a preparatory meeting on 3 March to develop
> strategies. But they do not have funds for travel, nor the ability to
> transfer anything out of the country, to let any stakeholder, including CS
> come to Tunesia.
>
> On another point he told me that that his Government would appoint two
> Tunesian delegates to be part of the Secretariat for CS. When I asked if
> they could not continue to work with Alain and Louise, he said they would
> if somebody else would finance them, meaning if this would happen they
would
> then have 4 CSDs. (The financing of the CSD has just come to an end here
as
> of 31 January)
>
> In short: CS is welcomed (and to my question also with critical voices)
but
> has to look for its own means.
>
> CONGO will organize a Briefing on WSIS 1 and Phase 2 shortly. I will keep
> you informed.
>
> With best regards,
>
> Renate Bloem
> President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
>
>
>
> Chers coll?gues et amis,
>
> Pour votre information, j'ai re?u un coup de t?l?phone vendredi (30
> f?vrier)me demandant de rencontrer le Ministre tunisien des technologies
de
> l'information et des transports, M. Sadok Rabah, qui ?tait ? Gen?ve pour
> une rencontre avec ses homologues du gouvernement suisse, avec M. Uzumi et
> d'autres membres du Secr?tariat pour relancer le processus portant ?
> Tunisie 2005. (Dans ce contexte, la rencontre de l'UIT du 26 - 27 f?vrier
> est, comme nombre d'entre vous l'ont d?j? fait remarquer, un s?minaire
> technique interne de l'UIT cens? donner un input ? l'ICT Task Force Open
> Forum de l'ONU, qui se tiendra ? New York du 25 au 27 mars, sur la
> gouvenance d'internet et il ne fait pas directement partie du processus
> pr?paratoire du SMSI phase 2. Cependant, son issue sera la nomination du
> groupe de travail intergouvernemental par le Secr?taire g?n?ral).
>
> Le ministre tunisien voulait nous donner quelques informations sur
quelques
> ?l?ments pr?paratoire et en m?me temps nous rassurer sur le fait que son
> gouvernement veut bien la participation de la soci?t? civile dans tout le
> processus.
>
> Le premier pas sera une r?union informelle de tous les concern?s, pr?vue
> pour le 4 - 5 mars ? Tunis pour discuter des issues possibles du SMSI
phase
> 2. Apr?s cette r?union il y en aura une autre, plus formelle, de
> pr?paration pour la premi?re Prepcom. Les dates de cette r?union plus
> formelle ne sont pas encore fix?es, mais on a mentionn? fin avril, fin mai
> ou d?but juin. Pour la premi?re r?union il aimerait qu'au moins le Bureau
> SC participe.
>
> Mais maintenant vient le point important: la Tunisie peut aider avec toute
> l'infrastructure n?cessaire ? l'int?rieur de la Tunisie, et ils aideraient
> par exemple aussi ? mettre sur pied l'infrastructure n?cessaire pour la
> soci?t? civile si celle-ci souhaitait tenir une r?union pr?paratoire le 3
> mars pour d?velopper des strat?gies. Mais ils n'ont pas de fonds pour les
> voyages, ni la capacit? de transf?rer quoi que ce soit hors du pays pour
> permettre aux participants, y compris la soci?t? civile, de venir en
> Tunisie.
>
> Sur un autre point il m'a dit que son gouvernement allait nommer deux
> d?l?gu?s tunisiens au Secr?tariat de la SC. Lorsque j'ai demand? s'ils ne
> pourraient pas continuer ? travailler avec Alain et Louise, il m'a dit que
> oui si quelqu'un d'autre ?tait pr?t ? les financer, ce qui veut dire que
si
> ceci arrivait il y aurait 4 DSC (le financement des DSC vient de s'achever
> ici le 31 janvier).
>
> En bref: la CS est la bienvenue (et en r?pondant ? ma question il a dit
> qu'elle l'est aussi avec des voix critiques), mais elle doit chercher ses
> propres moyens.
>
> Quant ? CONGO, nous allons organiser un briefing sur la phase 1 et 2 du
> SMSI sous peu. Je vous tiendrai au courant.
>
> Avec mes salutations les plus cordiales
> Renate Bloem
> Pr?sidente de la Conf?rence des ONGs (CONGO)
> ________________________
> E-mail: rbloem@ngocongo.org
> Website: www.ngocongo.org
>
>
> Renate Bloem
> President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
> ________________________
> Palais des Nations, E2-B
> CH-1211 Geneva 10
> Tel: +41 22 917 1881
> Fax: +41 22 917 0373
> E-mail: rbloem@ngocongo.org
> Website: www.ngocongo.org
> _________________________________________
> The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, not-for-profit
> membership association that facilitates the participation of NGOs in
United
> Nations debates and decisions.  Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective
is
> to ensure the presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's governments
> and United Nations agencies on issues of global concern. Our broad
> membership email-network has become a major source of information for NGOs
> active within the United Nations and seeking collaboration/partnerships
with
> other NGOs of similar concerns.  For more information see our website at
> www.ngocongo.org or email congo@ngocongo.org
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From marzouki at ras.eu.org  Mon Feb  2 17:52:03 2004
From: marzouki at ras.eu.org (Meryem Marzouki)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Info for WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <IBEGJNBEEELEANPJGINMKECCDFAA.rbloem@ngocongo.org>
Message-ID: <8259B5E0-55A8-11D8-861F-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org>

[Fran?ais ci-dessous]

Dear Renata, dear all,

Thank you for providing us with latest information on WSIS Phase 2 
organization. However, there are still many issues to be clarified, and 
it seems quite hard to obtain any information about that. Here are some 
questions that I would like to raise as for now:

1/ Has the ITU officially confirmed that it will be the organizer of 
WSIS Phase 2 ?
2/ Has the composition of the executive secretariat (not only CS) 
changed ? Or will it change ? If so, what are the rules?
3/ Same questions apply to the governemental bureau.
4/ Same questions apply to the CS bureau. Let me add that the CS bureau 
has been formed (and has evolved) out of any formal process. For the 
sake of democracy, it is more that time to revise this issue.
5/ Accreditation. It has been written in official documents that 
"accreditation is a continuous process". When next phase of 
accreditation, specially for CS, will be opened ? Also, many Tunisian 
civil society organizations are only de facto organizations, not as a 
result of their own choice, but because they have never been recognized 
by the Tunisian governement (in Tunisia, you have to ask for the 
authorization of the ministry of Interior). According to current rules, 
they cannot be accredited. What are the possibilities for them ?
etc.

Thanks for any answer, of for considering to raise these questions 
during the CONGO briefing.
Meryem

Ch?re Renata, chers tous,

Merci de nous informer sur l'organisation de la phase 2. Toutefois, 
plusieurs questions n?cessitent encore d'?tre clarifi?es, et il est 
difficile d'obtenir des informations ? ce sujet. Voici quelques 
questions que je voudrais soumettre d?s ? pr?sent:

1/ L'UIT a-t-elle officiellement confirm? qu'elle organiserait bien la 
phase 2 du SMSI ?
2/ La composition du secr?tariat ex?cutif (pas seulement la partie SC) 
a-t-elle chang? ? Ou va-t-elle changer ? Si oui, quelles sont les 
r?gles ?
3/ M?mes questions au sujet du bureau intergouvernemental.
4/ M?mes questiosn au sujet du bureau soci?t? civile. J'ajoute ? cet 
?gard que le bureau CS a ?t? form? (et a ?volu?) en dehors de vrai 
processus formel. Pour un respect minimal de la d?mocracie, il serait 
plus que temps de revoir cette question.
5/ Accr?ditations. On note dans les documents officiels que 
"l'accr?ditation est un processus continu". Quand la prochaine phase 
d'accr?ditation, particuli?rement pour la soci?t? civile, sera-t-elle 
ouverte ? De plus, plusieurs organisations de la soci?t? civile 
tunisienne sont uniquement des organisations de fait, non par choix, 
mais car elles n'ont jamais ?t? reconnues par le gouvernement tunisien 
(en Tunisie, une association doit solliciter l'autorisation du 
minist?re de l'int?rieur). Selon les r?gles actuelles, ces 
organisations ne peuvent ?tre accr?dit?es. Quelles sont les 
possibilit?s qui s'offrent ? ces organisations ?
etc.

Merci d'avance de toute r?ponse, et d'envisager que ces questions 
puissent ?tre soulev?es lors du briefing que CONGO organisera.

Meryem

Le lundi, 2 f?v 2004, ? 17:19 Europe/Paris, Renata BLOEM a ?crit :

> voir Francais en-bas
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> For your information, I received a call on Friday (30 February) to 
> meet with
> the Tunesian Minister of Communication Technologies and Transport, Mr. 
> Sadok
> Rabah, who was here in Geneva to meet with his Swiss Government
> Counterparts, with Mr Uzumi, also with members of the Secretariat to 
> give a
> boost to relance the process towards Tunesia 2005. (In this context 
> the ITU
> meeting, 26-27 February is, as many of you pointed already out, an 
> internal
> technical ITU w-shop to feed into the UN ICT Task Force Open Forum in 
> New
> York, 25-27 March, on Internet Governance  and not directly part of 
> the WSIS
> 2 preparatory process. However, it will determine by its outcome the
> appointment of the IG WG by the Secretay General)
>
> The Tunesian Minister wanted to inform us about some of the preparatory
> steps envisioned and at the same time to ensure us that his government 
> wants
> the full participation of Civil Society in the whole process.
>
> The first step will be an informal meeting with all stakeholders, 
> scheduled
> for 4-5 March, to be held in Tunesia to brainstorm on the process and 
> added
> value of WSIS phase 2. Following this meeting would come a more formal
> meeting to  prepare for the first PrepCom. Dates for this more formal
> meeting are not yet set. Mentioned were end April,end May or beginning 
> of
> July. For the first meeting he wanted at least the CS Bureau to attend.
>
> But now comes the crux: Tunesia has the capacity to help with all
> infrastructure inside of Tunesia, would also help e.g. to set up 
> logistics
> for CS if they wanted to hold a preparatory meeting on 3 March to 
> develop
> strategies. But they do not have funds for travel, nor the ability to
> transfer anything out of the country, to let any stakeholder, 
> including CS
> come to Tunesia.
>
> On another point he told me that that his Government would appoint two
> Tunesian delegates to be part of the Secretariat for CS. When I asked 
> if
> they could not continue to work with Alain and Louise, he said they 
> would
> if somebody else would finance them, meaning if this would happen they 
> would
> then have 4 CSDs. (The financing of the CSD has just come to an end 
> here as
> of 31 January)
>
> In short: CS is welcomed (and to my question also with critical 
> voices) but
> has to look for its own means.
>
> CONGO will organize a Briefing on WSIS 1 and Phase 2 shortly. I will 
> keep
> you informed.
>
> With best regards,
>
> Renate Bloem
> President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
>
>
>
> Chers coll?gues et amis,
>
> Pour votre information, j'ai re?u un coup de t?l?phone vendredi (30
> f?vrier)me demandant de rencontrer le Ministre tunisien des 
> technologies de
> l'information et des transports, M. Sadok Rabah, qui ?tait ? Gen?ve 
> pour
> une rencontre avec ses homologues du gouvernement suisse, avec M. 
> Uzumi et
> d'autres membres du Secr?tariat pour relancer le processus portant ?
> Tunisie 2005. (Dans ce contexte, la rencontre de l'UIT du 26 - 27 
> f?vrier
> est, comme nombre d'entre vous l'ont d?j? fait remarquer, un s?minaire
> technique interne de l'UIT cens? donner un input ? l'ICT Task Force 
> Open
> Forum de l'ONU, qui se tiendra ? New York du 25 au 27 mars, sur la
> gouvenance d'internet et il ne fait pas directement partie du processus
> pr?paratoire du SMSI phase 2. Cependant, son issue sera la nomination 
> du
> groupe de travail intergouvernemental par le Secr?taire g?n?ral).
>
> Le ministre tunisien voulait nous donner quelques informations sur 
> quelques
> ?l?ments pr?paratoire et en m?me temps nous rassurer sur le fait que 
> son
> gouvernement veut bien la participation de la soci?t? civile dans tout 
> le
> processus.
>
> Le premier pas sera une r?union informelle de tous les concern?s, 
> pr?vue
> pour le 4 - 5 mars ? Tunis pour discuter des issues possibles du SMSI 
> phase
> 2. Apr?s cette r?union il y en aura une autre, plus formelle, de
> pr?paration pour la premi?re Prepcom. Les dates de cette r?union plus
> formelle ne sont pas encore fix?es, mais on a mentionn? fin avril, fin 
> mai
> ou d?but juin. Pour la premi?re r?union il aimerait qu'au moins le 
> Bureau
> SC participe.
>
> Mais maintenant vient le point important: la Tunisie peut aider avec 
> toute
> l'infrastructure n?cessaire ? l'int?rieur de la Tunisie, et ils 
> aideraient
> par exemple aussi ? mettre sur pied l'infrastructure n?cessaire pour la
> soci?t? civile si celle-ci souhaitait tenir une r?union pr?paratoire 
> le 3
> mars pour d?velopper des strat?gies. Mais ils n'ont pas de fonds pour 
> les
> voyages, ni la capacit? de transf?rer quoi que ce soit hors du pays 
> pour
> permettre aux participants, y compris la soci?t? civile, de venir en
> Tunisie.
>
> Sur un autre point il m'a dit que son gouvernement allait nommer deux
> d?l?gu?s tunisiens au Secr?tariat de la SC. Lorsque j'ai demand? s'ils 
> ne
> pourraient pas continuer ? travailler avec Alain et Louise, il m'a dit 
> que
> oui si quelqu'un d'autre ?tait pr?t ? les financer, ce qui veut dire 
> que si
> ceci arrivait il y aurait 4 DSC (le financement des DSC vient de 
> s'achever
> ici le 31 janvier).
>
> En bref: la CS est la bienvenue (et en r?pondant ? ma question il a dit
> qu'elle l'est aussi avec des voix critiques), mais elle doit chercher 
> ses
> propres moyens.
>
> Quant ? CONGO, nous allons organiser un briefing sur la phase 1 et 2 du
> SMSI sous peu. Je vous tiendrai au courant.
>
> Avec mes salutations les plus cordiales
> Renate Bloem
> Pr?sidente de la Conf?rence des ONGs (CONGO)
> ________________________
> E-mail: rbloem@ngocongo.org
> Website: www.ngocongo.org
>
>
> Renate Bloem
> President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
> ________________________
> Palais des Nations, E2-B
> CH-1211 Geneva 10
> Tel: +41 22 917 1881
> Fax: +41 22 917 0373
> E-mail: rbloem@ngocongo.org
> Website: www.ngocongo.org
> _________________________________________
> The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, not-for-profit
> membership association that facilitates the participation of NGOs in 
> United
> Nations debates and decisions.  Founded in 1948, CONGO's major 
> objective is
> to ensure the presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's 
> governments
> and United Nations agencies on issues of global concern. Our broad
> membership email-network has become a major source of information for 
> NGOs
> active within the United Nations and seeking 
> collaboration/partnerships with
> other NGOs of similar concerns.  For more information see our website 
> at
> www.ngocongo.org or email congo@ngocongo.org
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>


From veni at veni.com  Mon Feb  2 21:33:28 2004
From: veni at veni.com (veni markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Info for WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <8259B5E0-55A8-11D8-861F-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org>
References: <IBEGJNBEEELEANPJGINMKECCDFAA.rbloem@ngocongo.org>
 <8259B5E0-55A8-11D8-861F-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040202222931.03124e20@198.111.183.129>

I'd like to add some more questions:
1) Since there will be an ICANN meeting March 1-6, people who are involved 
in Internet governance on the root/DNS level will not be able to attend 
other meetings. How do we solve that with going to Tunisia?
2) Why not use the Geneva accreditation?
3) Will there be special prices for staying in Tunisia? This is extremly 
important for the CS.


>Thank you for providing us with latest information on WSIS Phase 2 
>organization. However, there are still many issues to be clarified, and it 
>seems quite hard to obtain any information about that. Here are some 
>questions that I would like to raise as for now:


From beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar  Mon Feb  2 21:27:25 2004
From: beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar (Beatriz Busaniche)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Info for WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040202222931.03124e20@198.111.183.129>
References: <IBEGJNBEEELEANPJGINMKECCDFAA.rbloem@ngocongo.org>
	 <8259B5E0-55A8-11D8-861F-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org>
	 <6.0.1.1.2.20040202222931.03124e20@198.111.183.129>
Message-ID: <1075757245.1731.17.camel@linux.local>

Hi Veni and all, 
I guess there's no problem with the acreditation of people that is
already in the process. it's the same acreditation for geneva. but
there's a lot of organizations that don't have that acreditations and
it's iimportant to know how and when will they be able to do that.

Regards

Hola Veni y tod@s
Creo que no hay problema con las acreditacioens de quienes est?n en el
proceso, es la misma acreditaci?n que para Ginebra. Pero hay muchas
organizaciones que no tiene acreditaci?n a?n y es muy importante saber
cu?ndo y c?mo ser? posible que se acrediten

Saludos!
Beatriz



El lun, 02 de 02 de 2004 a las 18:33, veni markovski escribi?:
> I'd like to add some more questions:
> 1) Since there will be an ICANN meeting March 1-6, people who are involved 
> in Internet governance on the root/DNS level will not be able to attend 
> other meetings. How do we solve that with going to Tunisia?
> 2) Why not use the Geneva accreditation?
> 3) Will there be special prices for staying in Tunisia? This is extremly 
> important for the CS.
> 
> 
> >Thank you for providing us with latest information on WSIS Phase 2 
> >organization. However, there are still many issues to be clarified, and it 
> >seems quite hard to obtain any information about that. Here are some 
> >questions that I would like to raise as for now:
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 


From wolfgang at imv.au.dk  Tue Feb  3 07:54:26 2004
From: wolfgang at imv.au.dk (wolfgang@imv.au.dk)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Info for WSIS Phase 2
Message-ID: <E1AnvO6-0000DY-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>

It would be good if we could generate a "Calendar of Events" on a Website with " official WSIS events", "informal WSIS events" and "WSIS related events". This would made it easier to start planning with very limited ressources. 

Tunis is certainly cheaper than Geneva, but flights are much more expensive :-(

best

w
Original Nachricht--
Von: veni markovski <veni@veni.com>
An: plenary@wsis-cs.org,plenary@wsis-cs.org
Senden: 02.02.2004
Betreff: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Info for WSIS Phase 2

I'd like to add some more questions:
1) Since there will be an ICANN meeting March 1-6, people who are involved 
in Internet governance on the root/DNS level will not be able to attend 
other meetings. How do we solve that with going to Tunisia?
2) Why not use the Geneva accreditation?
3) Will there be special prices for staying in Tunisia? This is extremly 
important for the CS.


>Thank you for providing us with latest information on WSIS Phase 2 
>organization. However, there are still many issues to be clarified, and it

>seems quite hard to obtain any information about that. Here are some 
>questions that I would like to raise as for now:

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Plenary@wsis-cs.org
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From Bruno.Oudet at imag.fr  Tue Feb  3 08:12:30 2004
From: Bruno.Oudet at imag.fr (Bruno OUDET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Info for WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <E1AnvO6-0000DY-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20040203090246.01f66dc0@leibniz.imag.fr>

Wolfgang wrote:

>Tunis is certainly cheaper than Geneva, but flights are much more 
>expensive :-(

Tunis is certainly cheaper than Geneva, but flights are much more expensive :-(

The Civil society could negotiate a special WSIS discount with Tunisair .

Concerning the re-opening of the accreditation process, Meryem has already
put this point forward during a meeting in Paris with the french government 
delegation.
As far as I am concern I shall do my best to have this point carried 
forward to the
negotiation by the French delegation to the European community delegation.

It is probably important that other national civil society groups bring 
this point
forward to their own government delegation.


Bruno Oudet








>best
>
>w
>Original Nachricht--
>Von: veni markovski <veni@veni.com>
>An: plenary@wsis-cs.org,plenary@wsis-cs.org
>Senden: 02.02.2004
>Betreff: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Info for WSIS Phase 2
>
>I'd like to add some more questions:
>1) Since there will be an ICANN meeting March 1-6, people who are involved
>in Internet governance on the root/DNS level will not be able to attend
>other meetings. How do we solve that with going to Tunisia?
>2) Why not use the Geneva accreditation?
>3) Will there be special prices for staying in Tunisia? This is extremly
>important for the CS.
>
>
> >Thank you for providing us with latest information on WSIS Phase 2
> >organization. However, there are still many issues to be clarified, and it
>
> >seems quite hard to obtain any information about that. Here are some
> >questions that I would like to raise as for now:
>
>_______________________________________________
>Plenary mailing list
>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>
>
>
>
>
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 09:58:52 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] SMSI_Tunis_2005_WSIS
Message-ID: <20040203095852.1561.qmail@web60710.mail.yahoo.com>

Please see Following rapid translation in English
Chers amis,
Bravo à la relance du dialogue sur les conditions de
préparation du Sommet de Tunis et les nombreuses
contributions, le plus souvent dans deux langues
(honte à ceux et celles qui ont la capacité de la
faire et qui ne le font pas, même imparfaitement).
1... Renata a initié le processus avec le compte rendu
de sa rencontre avec le Ministre tunisien Sadok Rabah.
J'ai retenu que le Gouvernement tunisien confirme sa
disponibilité pour donner toute sa place et respecte
la vocation CRITIQUE de la société civile qu'il invite
à participer à ses frais à toutes les étapes
préparatoires. En guise de 1er geste de bonne volonté
il envoie 2 délégués au bureau de la société civile
pour probablement servir de courroie de transmission.
Il aidera sa société civile résidente à participer
mais ne veut pas aider la société civile
internationale (et tunisienne extérieure qui peut lui
être hostile)
Myriam a soulevé des questions qui peuvent constituer
des tests de la bonne santé de la démarche future de
la société civile et de la bonne volonté des autorités
tunisiennes (j'en reprends 3).
1/ Position/confirmation de L'UIT et de l'ONU au
regard du statut de la phase 2 du SMSI ?
2/ pertinence et légitimité du maintien ou de la
modification de la composition du secrétariat
exécutif, du bureau intergouvernemental et du du
bureau société civile avec pour ce dernier un respect
minimal de la démocracie. 
3/ Accréditations et statut des associations
tunisiennes résidentes et non résidentes. 
Veni et Wolfgang souhaitent la rédaction rapide et la
tenue à jour d'un agenda des rencontres pour éviter
des téléscopages de rencontres mais qui pose le
problème du monopole de certaines vedettes d'ONG, des
incontournables qui veulent paraitre à toutes les
cérémonies (respect des règles de démocratie au sein
de nos organisations et partage des missions pour être
plus crédibles !).
Je propose à ce que l'on réfechisse rapidement en plus
d'un calendrier des évènements sur une liste ouverte
et active des meilleures conditions possibles pour
l'organisation du sommet à Tunis et qu'on joue la
transparence avec les autorités tunisiennes qui
devraient avoir notre respect même si nous devons être
intransigeants au regard de nos préoccupations pour
peu qu'elles soient DEMOCRATQUEMENT PARTAGEES et non
imposées par telle ou telle ONG du fait de sa
situation géographique ou de l'importance de ses
moyens ou de ses effectifs).
Pour ma part, je plaiderais, militerais et agirais 
pour un réequilibrage des rapports de force au sein de
la société civile en faveur des associations du SUD,
celles africaines, francophones et arabes qui ont
besoin d'appui et de promotion, tout simplement parce
que l'un des enjeux et non des moindres de Tunis sera
comment opérationnaliser le concept de solidatité,
équité, voire égalité numérique.
Djilali
Synthesis in English :
Congratulations for the dynamism of the debate on the
2005 Tunis' Summit. We are in thanks to :
1.The message of Renate (2 february) relating her
message with the tunisian minister Mr. Sadok Rabah who
confirmed the positive position of his governement
regarding the role of the CS even in his critical
mandate. 2 tunisian delegates will work with the CS
Bureau ; the Gvt will support the tunisian CS living
in Tunisia but will not help international CS
(including Tunisian CS living out of Tunisia).
Myriam brought some questions which could constitute
benchmarks for conditions to organize in good
conditions le Tunis Summit (statut of UIT and UNO
regarding the 2005 Summit, statut of institutions in
charge with the preparation of the Summit and
conditions of accreditations.
Veni and Wolfgang propose the formulation of an agenda
to avoid relevant meetings schuddled in the same time.
My contribution consists in the formulation of an open
list of conditions considered as the best conditions
for the preparation and the tenue of a good Summit in
Tunis in 2005. This document must be formulated on a
democratic manner and will be sent rapidly to the
Tunisian Gvt with a follow-up system and proposed
sanctions if it is noted that things are not
progressing.
I plead also for more involvement of Tunisian CS in
and out Tunisia, African French and Arabic (Luzophone
and Spanish speaking also) speaking CS because of the
challenge of the 2005 Summit will deal with a
necessaire digital solidarity, equity equalité and CS
of underdevelopped countries must be present by
herself and not by English speaking North and strong
CS !        

=====
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From rikp at bluewin.ch  Tue Feb  3 13:22:44 2004
From: rikp at bluewin.ch (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Info for WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <E1AnvO6-0000DY-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
References: <E1AnvO6-0000DY-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
Message-ID: <0CDC745A-564C-11D8-A3F6-000A95EA981E@bluewin.ch>

Dear Friends,

There are some basic questions we should ask among ourselves:

1)  Are there groups that will be able to re-organize their own 
schedules and find the funds to partipate in a March 4-5 meeting in 
Tunisia?  This is very short notice for most of us, I imagine.  I 
understand that the Tunisian government might be able to assist groups 
who can travel to Tunisia, perhaps with finding less expensive 
accomodations and such.  However there is no mention of this meeting on 
either the WSIS secretariat site or the official Tunisian website, 
which does not fill me with confidence.

2)  Will we be able to draft a basic vision of a successful 2nd phase?  
More to the point, what are the base conditions that in your 
organization's view would be necessary for the 2nd phase to succeed?  
I.e. level of participation, thematic focus of meetings, overall goal 
of Tunis 2005, etc. It would be great if each caucus and working group 
could collate views on this, and we could have these available for the 
Tunis meeting next month.  We don't have to all agree, but just knowing 
what the gender caucus, the people with disabilities caucus, the ICT 
global governance caucus, etc. would like to get out of the Phase II 
process I think would be very helpful to us all.

On this point, I think we can all agree that the modalities of 
participation should be at least at the level of the Paris 
Intersessional and Prepcom III. We should be able in principle to 
attend and have some rights of participation in working groups and 
other informal sub-groups.  CS should be able to make interventions on 
a section-by-section basis.  Accreditation of groups to the process 
should be conducted transparently and in respect of the usual UN 
modalities of accreditation.

Wolfgang, I believe that an interactive calendar will be the principal 
"upgrade" to WSIS-online.net.  I.e. a comprehensive calendar of 
official and associated events for the WSIS process, searchable 
sectorally and regionally.


Regards,

Rik Panganiban

On 3 f?vr. 04, at 08:54, <wolfgang@imv.au.dk> wrote:

> It would be good if we could generate a "Calendar of Events" on a 
> Website with " official WSIS events", "informal WSIS events" and "WSIS 
> related events". This would made it easier to start planning with very 
> limited ressources.
>
> Tunis is certainly cheaper than Geneva, but flights are much more 
> expensive :-(
>
> best
>
> w
> Original Nachricht--
> Von: veni markovski <veni@veni.com>
> An: plenary@wsis-cs.org,plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Senden: 02.02.2004
> Betreff: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Info for WSIS Phase 2
>
> I'd like to add some more questions:
> 1) Since there will be an ICANN meeting March 1-6, people who are 
> involved
> in Internet governance on the root/DNS level will not be able to attend
> other meetings. How do we solve that with going to Tunisia?
> 2) Why not use the Geneva accreditation?
> 3) Will there be special prices for staying in Tunisia? This is 
> extremly
> important for the CS.
>
>
>> Thank you for providing us with latest information on WSIS Phase 2
>> organization. However, there are still many issues to be clarified, 
>> and it
>
>> seems quite hard to obtain any information about that. Here are some
>> questions that I would like to raise as for now:
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From nne75 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 13:41:02 2004
From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] African ICT events Calendar/ Calendrier africain des evenements TIC
Message-ID: <20040203134102.69200.qmail@web10904.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear all
 
This is a call for all ICT events in Africa.  What is happening in your organization?  Are you organizing any event? Do you know of any that will be of great interest to the Civil Soicety organizations in Africa? Let us know.  We will be glad to estblish a calendar. Apologies if you receive this more than once.
 
Chers tous
 
Cet appel est à l'endroit de tous ceux qui connaissent un evenement dans le cadres des TIC en Afrique ou pour l'intérêt de la société civile africaine.  Nous souhaiterons en établier un calendrier.  Veuiller nous tenir informés.  Toute nos excuses pour multiples receptions.
 
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From j.gagain at funglode.org  Tue Feb  3 15:06:21 2004
From: j.gagain at funglode.org (John R. Gagain Jr.)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] RE: Info for WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <IBEGJNBEEELEANPJGINMKECCDFAA.rbloem@ngocongo.org>
Message-ID: <FNECKODDBCFHEJLGPCOHOEOKEKAA.j.gagain@funglode.org>

Renata,

Does either you, Wolfgang, Bill Blake, YJ, or anyone have any information on
the 26-27 February ITU meeting?  I will be in Geneva.

Sincerely,

John R. Gagain Jr.
Think Tank Focal Point
WSIS Civil Society Bureau
World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS)
Representative to International Organizations
Fundaci?n Global Democracia y Desarrollo (FUNGLODE)

Calle Capit?n Eugenio de Marchena, No. 26
Ensanche La Esperilla
Santo Domingo, Rep?blica Dominicana

Tel.: 809.685.9966 Ext. 2201
Fax: 212-898-1115

Email: j.gagain@funglode.org
Web: http://www.funglode.org


-----Original Message-----
From: bureau-request@geneva2003.org
[mailto:bureau-request@geneva2003.org]On Behalf Of Renata BLOEM
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:20 AM
To: CS Bureau; CS Plenary
Cc: Sheila Bordier; Isolda Agazzi; Rik Panganiban
Subject: Info for WSIS Phase 2


voir Francais en-bas


Dear all,

For your information, I received a call on Friday (30 February) to meet with
the Tunesian Minister of Communication Technologies and Transport, Mr. Sadok
Rabah, who was here in Geneva to meet with his Swiss Government
Counterparts, with Mr Uzumi, also with members of the Secretariat to give a
boost to relance the process towards Tunesia 2005. (In this context the ITU
meeting, 26-27 February is, as many of you pointed already out, an internal
technical ITU w-shop to feed into the UN ICT Task Force Open Forum in New
York, 25-27 March, on Internet Governance  and not directly part of the WSIS
2 preparatory process. However, it will determine by its outcome the
appointment of the IG WG by the Secretay General)

The Tunesian Minister wanted to inform us about some of the preparatory
steps envisioned and at the same time to ensure us that his government wants
the full participation of Civil Society in the whole process.

The first step will be an informal meeting with all stakeholders, scheduled
for 4-5 March, to be held in Tunesia to brainstorm on the process and added
value of WSIS phase 2. Following this meeting would come a more formal
meeting to  prepare for the first PrepCom. Dates for this more formal
meeting are not yet set. Mentioned were end April,end May or beginning of
July. For the first meeting he wanted at least the CS Bureau to attend.

But now comes the crux: Tunesia has the capacity to help with all
infrastructure inside of Tunesia, would also help e.g. to set up logistics
for CS if they wanted to hold a preparatory meeting on 3 March to develop
strategies. But they do not have funds for travel, nor the ability to
transfer anything out of the country, to let any stakeholder, including CS
come to Tunesia.

On another point he told me that that his Government would appoint two
Tunesian delegates to be part of the Secretariat for CS. When I asked if
they could not continue to work with Alain and Louise, he said they would
if somebody else would finance them, meaning if this would happen they would
then have 4 CSDs. (The financing of the CSD has just come to an end here as
of 31 January)

In short: CS is welcomed (and to my question also with critical voices) but
has to look for its own means.

CONGO will organize a Briefing on WSIS 1 and Phase 2 shortly. I will keep
you informed.

With best regards,

Renate Bloem
President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)



Chers coll?gues et amis,

Pour votre information, j'ai re?u un coup de t?l?phone vendredi (30
f?vrier)me demandant de rencontrer le Ministre tunisien des technologies de
l'information et des transports, M. Sadok Rabah, qui ?tait ? Gen?ve pour
une rencontre avec ses homologues du gouvernement suisse, avec M. Uzumi et
d'autres membres du Secr?tariat pour relancer le processus portant ?
Tunisie 2005. (Dans ce contexte, la rencontre de l'UIT du 26 - 27 f?vrier
est, comme nombre d'entre vous l'ont d?j? fait remarquer, un s?minaire
technique interne de l'UIT cens? donner un input ? l'ICT Task Force Open
Forum de l'ONU, qui se tiendra ? New York du 25 au 27 mars, sur la
gouvenance d'internet et il ne fait pas directement partie du processus
pr?paratoire du SMSI phase 2. Cependant, son issue sera la nomination du
groupe de travail intergouvernemental par le Secr?taire g?n?ral).

Le ministre tunisien voulait nous donner quelques informations sur quelques
?l?ments pr?paratoire et en m?me temps nous rassurer sur le fait que son
gouvernement veut bien la participation de la soci?t? civile dans tout le
processus.

Le premier pas sera une r?union informelle de tous les concern?s, pr?vue
pour le 4 - 5 mars ? Tunis pour discuter des issues possibles du SMSI phase
2. Apr?s cette r?union il y en aura une autre, plus formelle, de
pr?paration pour la premi?re Prepcom. Les dates de cette r?union plus
formelle ne sont pas encore fix?es, mais on a mentionn? fin avril, fin mai
ou d?but juin. Pour la premi?re r?union il aimerait qu'au moins le Bureau
SC participe.

Mais maintenant vient le point important: la Tunisie peut aider avec toute
l'infrastructure n?cessaire ? l'int?rieur de la Tunisie, et ils aideraient
par exemple aussi ? mettre sur pied l'infrastructure n?cessaire pour la
soci?t? civile si celle-ci souhaitait tenir une r?union pr?paratoire le 3
mars pour d?velopper des strat?gies. Mais ils n'ont pas de fonds pour les
voyages, ni la capacit? de transf?rer quoi que ce soit hors du pays pour
permettre aux participants, y compris la soci?t? civile, de venir en
Tunisie.

Sur un autre point il m'a dit que son gouvernement allait nommer deux
d?l?gu?s tunisiens au Secr?tariat de la SC. Lorsque j'ai demand? s'ils ne
pourraient pas continuer ? travailler avec Alain et Louise, il m'a dit que
oui si quelqu'un d'autre ?tait pr?t ? les financer, ce qui veut dire que si
ceci arrivait il y aurait 4 DSC (le financement des DSC vient de s'achever
ici le 31 janvier).

En bref: la CS est la bienvenue (et en r?pondant ? ma question il a dit
qu'elle l'est aussi avec des voix critiques), mais elle doit chercher ses
propres moyens.

Quant ? CONGO, nous allons organiser un briefing sur la phase 1 et 2 du
SMSI sous peu. Je vous tiendrai au courant.

Avec mes salutations les plus cordiales
Renate Bloem
Pr?sidente de la Conf?rence des ONGs (CONGO)
________________________
E-mail: rbloem@ngocongo.org
Website: www.ngocongo.org


Renate Bloem
President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
________________________
Palais des Nations, E2-B
CH-1211 Geneva 10
Tel: +41 22 917 1881
Fax: +41 22 917 0373
E-mail: rbloem@ngocongo.org
Website: www.ngocongo.org
_________________________________________
The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, not-for-profit
membership association that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United
Nations debates and decisions.  Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective is
to ensure the presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's governments
and United Nations agencies on issues of global concern. Our broad
membership email-network has become a major source of information for NGOs
active within the United Nations and seeking collaboration/partnerships with
other NGOs of similar concerns.  For more information see our website at
www.ngocongo.org or email congo@ngocongo.org






From vb at bertola.eu.org  Tue Feb  3 15:46:38 2004
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] RE: Info for WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <FNECKODDBCFHEJLGPCOHOEOKEKAA.j.gagain@funglode.org>
References: <FNECKODDBCFHEJLGPCOHOEOKEKAA.j.gagain@funglode.org>
Message-ID: <401FC25E.60704@bertola.eu.org>

John R. Gagain Jr. ha scritto:
> Renata,
> 
> Does either you, Wolfgang, Bill Blake, YJ, or anyone have any information on
> the 26-27 February ITU meeting?  I will be in Geneva.

You can find most information at this URL: 
http://www.itu.int/osg/spu/forum/intgov04/

Since it is going to be an ITU internal meeting, it will only be open to 
ITU members - not to civil society or WSIS participants in general. 
However, some members of this plenary and/or of the Internet Governance 
Caucus, including myself, have been invited personally as "individual 
experts" on Internet Governance matters (see the list at 
http://www.itu.int/osg/spu/forum/intgov04/experts.html).

The Caucus is presently discussing a letter to ITU, to ask them to 
consider how the Caucus and Plenary could be involved in WSIS-related ITU 
activities directly, as civil society representative groups in the WSIS 
process, rather than just by inviting some of their members as individuals.
-- 
.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo vb.
Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu.org
http://bertola.eu.org/    <-- Vecchio sito, nuovo toblog!


From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Tue Feb  3 15:50:16 2004
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] RE: Info for WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <FNECKODDBCFHEJLGPCOHOEOKEKAA.j.gagain@funglode.org>
References: <FNECKODDBCFHEJLGPCOHOEOKEKAA.j.gagain@funglode.org>
Message-ID: <p05100313bc4571375b30@[192.168.1.227]>

John, see <http://www.itu.int/osg/spu/forum/intgov04/index.html>

Experts have been selected. Quite a number from the Internet 
Governance caucus:  Wolfgang, Bill, Izumi, Bertrand, Vittorio 
Bertola, Milton Mueller. ITU made the selections, not civil society. 
But we are well covered. I don't want to re-hash a long email 
discussion, check the governance caucus lists for all the detail. 
Please check with the caucus before asking ITU to attend 
<https://ssl.cpsr.org/mailman/listinfo/governance>.

Thanks,

Adam



At 10:06 AM -0500 2/3/04, John R. Gagain Jr. wrote:
>Renata,
>
>Does either you, Wolfgang, Bill Blake, YJ, or anyone have any information on
>the 26-27 February ITU meeting?  I will be in Geneva.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>John R. Gagain Jr.
>Think Tank Focal Point
>WSIS Civil Society Bureau
>World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS)
>Representative to International Organizations
>Fundaci?n Global Democracia y Desarrollo (FUNGLODE)
>
>Calle Capit?n Eugenio de Marchena, No. 26
>Ensanche La Esperilla
>Santo Domingo, Rep?blica Dominicana
>
>Tel.: 809.685.9966 Ext. 2201
>Fax: 212-898-1115
>
>Email: j.gagain@funglode.org
>Web: http://www.funglode.org
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bureau-request@geneva2003.org
>[mailto:bureau-request@geneva2003.org]On Behalf Of Renata BLOEM
>Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:20 AM
>To: CS Bureau; CS Plenary
>Cc: Sheila Bordier; Isolda Agazzi; Rik Panganiban
>Subject: Info for WSIS Phase 2
>
>
>voir Francais en-bas
>
>
>Dear all,
>
>For your information, I received a call on Friday (30 February) to meet with
>the Tunesian Minister of Communication Technologies and Transport, Mr. Sadok
>Rabah, who was here in Geneva to meet with his Swiss Government
>Counterparts, with Mr Uzumi, also with members of the Secretariat to give a
>boost to relance the process towards Tunesia 2005. (In this context the ITU
>meeting, 26-27 February is, as many of you pointed already out, an internal
>technical ITU w-shop to feed into the UN ICT Task Force Open Forum in New
>York, 25-27 March, on Internet Governance  and not directly part of the WSIS
>2 preparatory process. However, it will determine by its outcome the
>appointment of the IG WG by the Secretay General)
>
>The Tunesian Minister wanted to inform us about some of the preparatory
>steps envisioned and at the same time to ensure us that his government wants
>the full participation of Civil Society in the whole process.
>
>The first step will be an informal meeting with all stakeholders, scheduled
>for 4-5 March, to be held in Tunesia to brainstorm on the process and added
>value of WSIS phase 2. Following this meeting would come a more formal
>meeting to  prepare for the first PrepCom. Dates for this more formal
>meeting are not yet set. Mentioned were end April,end May or beginning of
>July. For the first meeting he wanted at least the CS Bureau to attend.
>
>But now comes the crux: Tunesia has the capacity to help with all
>infrastructure inside of Tunesia, would also help e.g. to set up logistics
>for CS if they wanted to hold a preparatory meeting on 3 March to develop
>strategies. But they do not have funds for travel, nor the ability to
>transfer anything out of the country, to let any stakeholder, including CS
>come to Tunesia.
>
>On another point he told me that that his Government would appoint two
>Tunesian delegates to be part of the Secretariat for CS. When I asked if
>they could not continue to work with Alain and Louise, he said they would
>if somebody else would finance them, meaning if this would happen they would
>then have 4 CSDs. (The financing of the CSD has just come to an end here as
>of 31 January)
>
>In short: CS is welcomed (and to my question also with critical voices) but
>has to look for its own means.
>
>CONGO will organize a Briefing on WSIS 1 and Phase 2 shortly. I will keep
>you informed.
>
>With best regards,
>
>Renate Bloem
>President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
>
>
>
>Chers coll?gues et amis,
>
>Pour votre information, j'ai re?u un coup de t?l?phone vendredi (30
>f?vrier)me demandant de rencontrer le Ministre tunisien des technologies de
>l'information et des transports, M. Sadok Rabah, qui ?tait ? Gen?ve pour
>une rencontre avec ses homologues du gouvernement suisse, avec M. Uzumi et
>d'autres membres du Secr?tariat pour relancer le processus portant ?
>Tunisie 2005. (Dans ce contexte, la rencontre de l'UIT du 26 - 27 f?vrier
>est, comme nombre d'entre vous l'ont d?j? fait remarquer, un s?minaire
>technique interne de l'UIT cens? donner un input ? l'ICT Task Force Open
>Forum de l'ONU, qui se tiendra ? New York du 25 au 27 mars, sur la
>gouvenance d'internet et il ne fait pas directement partie du processus
>pr?paratoire du SMSI phase 2. Cependant, son issue sera la nomination du
>groupe de travail intergouvernemental par le Secr?taire g?n?ral).
>
>Le ministre tunisien voulait nous donner quelques informations sur quelques
>?l?ments pr?paratoire et en m?me temps nous rassurer sur le fait que son
>gouvernement veut bien la participation de la soci?t? civile dans tout le
>processus.
>
>Le premier pas sera une r?union informelle de tous les concern?s, pr?vue
>pour le 4 - 5 mars ? Tunis pour discuter des issues possibles du SMSI phase
>2. Apr?s cette r?union il y en aura une autre, plus formelle, de
>pr?paration pour la premi?re Prepcom. Les dates de cette r?union plus
>formelle ne sont pas encore fix?es, mais on a mentionn? fin avril, fin mai
>ou d?but juin. Pour la premi?re r?union il aimerait qu'au moins le Bureau
>SC participe.
>
>Mais maintenant vient le point important: la Tunisie peut aider avec toute
>l'infrastructure n?cessaire ? l'int?rieur de la Tunisie, et ils aideraient
>par exemple aussi ? mettre sur pied l'infrastructure n?cessaire pour la
>soci?t? civile si celle-ci souhaitait tenir une r?union pr?paratoire le 3
>mars pour d?velopper des strat?gies. Mais ils n'ont pas de fonds pour les
>voyages, ni la capacit? de transf?rer quoi que ce soit hors du pays pour
>permettre aux participants, y compris la soci?t? civile, de venir en
>Tunisie.
>
>Sur un autre point il m'a dit que son gouvernement allait nommer deux
>d?l?gu?s tunisiens au Secr?tariat de la SC. Lorsque j'ai demand? s'ils ne
>pourraient pas continuer ? travailler avec Alain et Louise, il m'a dit que
>oui si quelqu'un d'autre ?tait pr?t ? les financer, ce qui veut dire que si
>ceci arrivait il y aurait 4 DSC (le financement des DSC vient de s'achever
>ici le 31 janvier).
>
>En bref: la CS est la bienvenue (et en r?pondant ? ma question il a dit
>qu'elle l'est aussi avec des voix critiques), mais elle doit chercher ses
>propres moyens.
>
>Quant ? CONGO, nous allons organiser un briefing sur la phase 1 et 2 du
>SMSI sous peu. Je vous tiendrai au courant.
>
>Avec mes salutations les plus cordiales
>Renate Bloem
>Pr?sidente de la Conf?rence des ONGs (CONGO)
>________________________
>E-mail: rbloem@ngocongo.org
>Website: www.ngocongo.org
>
>
>Renate Bloem
>President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
>________________________
>Palais des Nations, E2-B
>CH-1211 Geneva 10
>Tel: +41 22 917 1881
>Fax: +41 22 917 0373
>E-mail: rbloem@ngocongo.org
>Website: www.ngocongo.org
>_________________________________________
>The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, not-for-profit
>membership association that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United
>Nations debates and decisions.  Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective is
>to ensure the presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's governments
>and United Nations agencies on issues of global concern. Our broad
>membership email-network has become a major source of information for NGOs
>active within the United Nations and seeking collaboration/partnerships with
>other NGOs of similar concerns.  For more information see our website at
>www.ngocongo.org or email congo@ngocongo.org


-- 

From wolfgang at imv.au.dk  Tue Feb  3 16:36:00 2004
From: wolfgang at imv.au.dk (wolfgang@imv.au.dk)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Info for WSIS Phase 2
Message-ID: <E1Ao3Wq-0000K4-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>

Look at this interesting ITU meeting

http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/wsis_WG.html

wolfgang







From ralf.bendrath at sfb597.uni-bremen.de  Tue Feb  3 17:46:47 2004
From: ralf.bendrath at sfb597.uni-bremen.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] global events calendar for WSIS Phase 2
References: <E1AnvO6-0000DY-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
Message-ID: <401FDE87.D497DE96@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>

Hi all,

wolfgang@imv.au.dk wrote:
> It would be good if we could generate a "Calendar of Events" on a Website 

I thought the same and set up an "events" page at
http://www.worldsummit2003.org 
(or http://www.worldsummit2005.org from now on - as you like). 

Click on "WSIS events" in the right column under "... to WSIS 2005".

This is only a listing of global events (i.e. mostly things that have
been mentioned on the CS-Plenary list), regional events are surely
missing big time. So please send us updates and hints on what to add.
But keep in mind we will not have the ressources to add every small-town
NGO meeting. We will focus on important global or regional events (and
of course on Germany on another page).

Best, Ralf

From ralf.bendrath at sfb597.uni-bremen.de  Tue Feb  3 18:12:43 2004
From: ralf.bendrath at sfb597.uni-bremen.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS Phase 2
References: <E1Ao3Wq-0000K4-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
Message-ID: <401FE49B.3C20C62E@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>

Hi all,

have a look at this document for the ITU WSIS working group Wolfgang
mentioned:
<http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/Geneva_04/Tunis-RoadMap.doc>

It looks like there will be a twofold preparatory process: 
1. thematic (no regional) meetings and prepcoms for building concrete
mechanisms for actions
2. a parallel "Coordination Group" where the chart just says
"stakeholders", for reviewing actions. 

Does anyone know about this "Coordination Group"? Will it be constructed
like the ITU workshop, i.e. with limited participants (invited "key
actors" / "experts" or whatever)? Or how else?

In general, it looks like this time there will be a heavy focus on the
Action Plan and concrete implementation of the principles mentioned in
the summit declaration.

The themes will be much broader than just the "Internet governance" and
"finance" issues  that have have gathered a lot of interest here and
everywhere... Just look at the ITU stock taking attempts at
<http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/Geneva_04/stocktaking-update.doc>. They
cover everything. 

In fact, the two working groups (in Internet governance and finance)
could be a third parallel part of the process.

We will have to think about: 

1. How do the working groups and the action plan implementation issues
link together? 
2. How would we have to change our working structures accordingly, in
order to be most effective and still bottom-up and inclusive?
3. Do we want this structureat all? What else would we envisage? If we
want to try to change this, we would have to act soon and coordinated.

Just my 5 (euro)cent. ;-)

Ralf

From ljeffrey at ecommons.net  Tue Feb  3 18:14:38 2004
From: ljeffrey at ecommons.net (Liss Jeffrey)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] global events calendar for WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <401FDE87.D497DE96@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
References: <E1AnvO6-0000DY-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040203130606.034e8608@141.117.45.50>


Here is an idea:
I suggest a links page with connections to those national web sites that 
are listing national and local events.
For instance our own Canadian civil society site is starting to grow:

http://wsis.ecommons.ca
EVENTS http://wsis.ecommons.ca/event
and
http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca
?v?nements  http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca/event

We have a calendar, events listing, ngo events tonight in Montreal, 
Thursday in Toronto, and more to come including reports.

Pls add our link if this idea works for you, and perhaps others can provide 
links to their own national web spaces.
Liss Jeffrey, PhD
Founding director, eCommons/agora




At 06:46 PM 03/02/2004 +0100, Ralf Bendrath wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>wolfgang@imv.au.dk wrote:
> > It would be good if we could generate a "Calendar of Events" on a Website
>
>I thought the same and set up an "events" page at
>http://www.worldsummit2003.org
>(or http://www.worldsummit2005.org from now on - as you like).
>
>Click on "WSIS events" in the right column under "... to WSIS 2005".
>
>This is only a listing of global events (i.e. mostly things that have
>been mentioned on the CS-Plenary list), regional events are surely
>missing big time. So please send us updates and hints on what to add.
>But keep in mind we will not have the ressources to add every small-town
>NGO meeting. We will focus on important global or regional events (and
>of course on Germany on another page).
>
>Best, Ralf
>_______________________________________________
>Plenary mailing list
>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>
>
>
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From schock at riseup.net  Tue Feb  3 19:53:14 2004
From: schock at riseup.net (Sasha Costanza-Chock)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [Fwd: CRIS EEUU-CRIS USA]
Message-ID: <401FFC2A.6040109@riseup.net>

English below.

Espa?ol: La campa?a CRIS (Communication Rights in the Information
Society) tiene un nuevo cap?tulo en Estados Unidos. Para informaci?n ir
a la lista de correo

http://comunica.org/mailman/listinfo/crisusa_comunica.org

o a la siguiente wiki

http://www.worldwidewiki.net/wiki/CommRightsUSA

****************************

English: The CRIS campaign (Communication Rights in the Information
Society) has a new chapter in the United States. For information go to
the list

http://comunica.org/mailman/listinfo/crisusa_comunica.org

or the following wiki

http://www.worldwidewiki.net/wiki/CommRightsUSA



Clemencia Rodriguez

OURMedia

clemencia@ou.edu <mailto:clemencia@ou.edu>



From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 21:55:49 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] global events calendar for WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <401FDE87.D497DE96@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
Message-ID: <20040203215549.77510.qmail@web60705.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Raf,
I tried without success to find something in French in
the proposed site www.worldsummit2005 can you please
advice how to access !
Many thanks and best regards
Djilali
--- Ralf Bendrath <ralf.bendrath@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> wolfgang@imv.au.dk wrote:
> > It would be good if we could generate a "Calendar
> of Events" on a Website 
> 
> I thought the same and set up an "events" page at
> http://www.worldsummit2003.org 
> (or http://www.worldsummit2005.org from now on - as
> you like). 
> 
> Click on "WSIS events" in the right column under
> "... to WSIS 2005".
> 
> This is only a listing of global events (i.e. mostly
> things that have
> been mentioned on the CS-Plenary list), regional
> events are surely
> missing big time. So please send us updates and
> hints on what to add.
> But keep in mind we will not have the ressources to
> add every small-town
> NGO meeting. We will focus on important global or
> regional events (and
> of course on Germany on another page).
> 
> Best, Ralf
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


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From accuosto at chasque.net  Tue Feb  3 17:46:46 2004
From: accuosto at chasque.net (Pablo Accuosto)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Info for WSIS Phase 2
References: <E1Ao3Wq-0000K4-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
Message-ID: <00c901c3ea7d$b209bca0$5504a8c0@paullier.net>

wolfgang, thank you for the link...

can anybody explain the draft "road map to tunis"? .. it looks as there
won't be regional meetings, but thematic meetings, instead?
what does "relevant international organizations" mean in this context?

thanks!

pablo accuosto
accuosto@chasque.nrt


----- Mensaje original -----
De: <wolfgang@imv.au.dk>
Para: "Renata BLOEM" <rbloem@ngocongo.org>; " CS Bureau"
<bureau@geneva2003.org>; " CS Plenary" <plenary@wsis-cs.org>; " Sheila
Bordier" <congo@ngocongo.org>; " Isolda Agazzi"
<isolda.agazzi@ngocongo.org>; " Rik Panganiban"
<rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org>
Enviado: martes, 03 de febrero de 2004 13:36
Asunto: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Info for WSIS Phase 2


> Look at this interesting ITU meeting
>
> http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/wsis_WG.html
>
> wolfgang
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 22:05:41 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <401FE49B.3C20C62E@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
Message-ID: <20040203220541.97313.qmail@web60707.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Ralf,
It seems that things are already in progress but on
the same scheme that during the first phase Geneva
2003.... A little place for the so call International
Civile Society leaded by Major English spoken
associations mainly from the North.
Let's continue on this way and we will meet in Tunis
the same result than december 2003.
Djilali
Cher Raf,
Il semble que les choses évolue sur le même shema que
lors de la phase préparatoire du sommet de genève... 
Une toute petite place octroyée à la dite société
civile internationale menée par un club d'associations
maitrisant l'anglais et en provenance essentiellement
du Nord.
Continuons sur la même voie et ne nous étonnons pas
des maigres résultats que nous allons avoir à Tunis en
2005.   
--- Ralf Bendrath <ralf.bendrath@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> have a look at this document for the ITU WSIS
> working group Wolfgang
> mentioned:
>
<http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/Geneva_04/Tunis-RoadMap.doc>
> 
> It looks like there will be a twofold preparatory
> process: 
> 1. thematic (no regional) meetings and prepcoms for
> building concrete
> mechanisms for actions
> 2. a parallel "Coordination Group" where the chart
> just says
> "stakeholders", for reviewing actions. 
> 
> Does anyone know about this "Coordination Group"?
> Will it be constructed
> like the ITU workshop, i.e. with limited
> participants (invited "key
> actors" / "experts" or whatever)? Or how else?
> 
> In general, it looks like this time there will be a
> heavy focus on the
> Action Plan and concrete implementation of the
> principles mentioned in
> the summit declaration.
> 
> The themes will be much broader than just the
> "Internet governance" and
> "finance" issues  that have have gathered a lot of
> interest here and
> everywhere... Just look at the ITU stock taking
> attempts at
>
<http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/Geneva_04/stocktaking-update.doc>.
> They
> cover everything. 
> 
> In fact, the two working groups (in Internet
> governance and finance)
> could be a third parallel part of the process.
> 
> We will have to think about: 
> 
> 1. How do the working groups and the action plan
> implementation issues
> link together? 
> 2. How would we have to change our working
> structures accordingly, in
> order to be most effective and still bottom-up and
> inclusive?
> 3. Do we want this structureat all? What else would
> we envisage? If we
> want to try to change this, we would have to act
> soon and coordinated.
> 
> Just my 5 (euro)cent. ;-)
> 
> Ralf
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 22:12:32 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] global events calendar for WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040203130606.034e8608@141.117.45.50>
Message-ID: <20040203221232.21578.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com>

Very good proposal !
But who can help Niger or Burkina Faso or Tchad etc...
to promote a website on the subject to be present in
the debate ! where are these africans, officials and
CS representatives who suggest that NEPAD is resolving
the Digital Divide ? Where are Tunisians in this
debate ?
Djilali
Excellente suggestion mais qui pense à aider le Niger,
le Burkina Faso, le tchad etc a promouvoir des sites
web sur le sujet pour être présents dans le débat !
où sont ces africains officiels et représentant de la
société civile qui étaient persuadé que le NEPAD
allait résoudre la fracture numérique ? mais où se
cachent donc les Tunisiens de tunisie et de la dispora
dans ce débat ?
Djilali


--- Liss Jeffrey <ljeffrey@ecommons.net> wrote:
> 
> Here is an idea:
> I suggest a links page with connections to those
> national web sites that 
> are listing national and local events.
> For instance our own Canadian civil society site is
> starting to grow:
> 
> http://wsis.ecommons.ca
> EVENTS http://wsis.ecommons.ca/event
> and
> http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca
> Événements  http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca/event
> 
> We have a calendar, events listing, ngo events
> tonight in Montreal, 
> Thursday in Toronto, and more to come including
> reports.
> 
> Pls add our link if this idea works for you, and
> perhaps others can provide 
> links to their own national web spaces.
> Liss Jeffrey, PhD
> Founding director, eCommons/agora
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 06:46 PM 03/02/2004 +0100, Ralf Bendrath wrote:
> 
> >Hi all,
> >
> >wolfgang@imv.au.dk wrote:
> > > It would be good if we could generate a
> "Calendar of Events" on a Website
> >
> >I thought the same and set up an "events" page at
> >http://www.worldsummit2003.org
> >(or http://www.worldsummit2005.org from now on - as
> you like).
> >
> >Click on "WSIS events" in the right column under
> "... to WSIS 2005".
> >
> >This is only a listing of global events (i.e.
> mostly things that have
> >been mentioned on the CS-Plenary list), regional
> events are surely
> >missing big time. So please send us updates and
> hints on what to add.
> >But keep in mind we will not have the ressources to
> add every small-town
> >NGO meeting. We will focus on important global or
> regional events (and
> >of course on Germany on another page).
> >
> >Best, Ralf
> >_______________________________________________
> >Plenary mailing list
> >Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> >
> >
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 22:37:33 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] RE: Info for WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <p05100313bc4571375b30@[192.168.1.227]>
Message-ID: <20040203223733.56620.qmail@web60701.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Adam
Thanks for the information... it was time to be
informed on who is invited to ITU February meeting and
how the selection has been made.
I trust you when you said that we (civil society i
expect) are well covered.
Can you explain why we are obliged to accept such
things when we did not agree with the selection of CS
speakers in Geneva ?
When are we going to take our responsability... 
If you continue to accept such a practice you are
taking the responsability to enhance the preparation
of a counter Summit. Is it what we are aiming ?
Cher Adam
Merci pour l'information .... il était temps qu'on
soit informé sur qui a été invité à la prochaine
réunion de l'UIT et comment la sélection a été faite.
Je vous crois quand vous dite que nous (société civile
?) sommes bien couverts.
Pouvez vous nous indiquer pourquoi on accepterait
pareilles choses lorsque nous avons marqué notre
opposition à la nommination des spaeakers de la Sc au
Sommet de Genève ?
Quand prendrions nous nos responsabilité  car si nons
continuons sur la même voie nous prenons la
responsabilité de créer les conditions pour le
démarrage de la préparation d'un contre sommet à
Tunis.
Estce que c'est cela que nous visons ,
Djilali    
--- Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
> John, see
>
<http://www.itu.int/osg/spu/forum/intgov04/index.html>
> 
> Experts have been selected. Quite a number from the
> Internet
> Governance caucus:  Wolfgang, Bill, Izumi, Bertrand,
> Vittorio
> Bertola, Milton Mueller. ITU made the selections,
> not civil society.
> But we are well covered. I don't want to re-hash a
> long email
> discussion, check the governance caucus lists for
> all the detail.
> Please check with the caucus before asking ITU to
> attend
> <https://ssl.cpsr.org/mailman/listinfo/governance>.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> At 10:06 AM -0500 2/3/04, John R. Gagain Jr. wrote:
> >Renata,
> >
> >Does either you, Wolfgang, Bill Blake, YJ, or
> anyone have any information on
> >the 26-27 February ITU meeting?  I will be in
> Geneva.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >John R. Gagain Jr.
> >Think Tank Focal Point
> >WSIS Civil Society Bureau
> >World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS)
> >Representative to International Organizations
> >Fundación Global Democracia y Desarrollo (FUNGLODE)
> >
> >Calle Capitán Eugenio de Marchena, No. 26
> >Ensanche La Esperilla
> >Santo Domingo, República Dominicana
> >
> >Tel.: 809.685.9966 Ext. 2201
> >Fax: 212-898-1115
> >
> >Email: j.gagain@funglode.org
> >Web: http://www.funglode.org
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bureau-request@geneva2003.org
> >[mailto:bureau-request@geneva2003.org]On Behalf Of
> Renata BLOEM
> >Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:20 AM
> >To: CS Bureau; CS Plenary
> >Cc: Sheila Bordier; Isolda Agazzi; Rik Panganiban
> >Subject: Info for WSIS Phase 2
> >
> >
> >voir Francais en-bas
> >
> >
> >Dear all,
> >
> >For your information, I received a call on Friday
> (30 February) to meet with
> >the Tunesian Minister of Communication Technologies
> and Transport, Mr. Sadok
> >Rabah, who was here in Geneva to meet with his
> Swiss Government
> >Counterparts, with Mr Uzumi, also with members of
> the Secretariat to give a
> >boost to relance the process towards Tunesia 2005.
> (In this context the ITU
> >meeting, 26-27 February is, as many of you pointed
> already out, an internal
> >technical ITU w-shop to feed into the UN ICT Task
> Force Open Forum in New
> >York, 25-27 March, on Internet Governance  and not
> directly part of the WSIS
> >2 preparatory process. However, it will determine
> by its outcome the
> >appointment of the IG WG by the Secretay General)
> >
> >The Tunesian Minister wanted to inform us about
> some of the preparatory
> >steps envisioned and at the same time to ensure us
> that his government wants
> >the full participation of Civil Society in the
> whole process.
> >
> >The first step will be an informal meeting with all
> stakeholders, scheduled
> >for 4-5 March, to be held in Tunesia to brainstorm
> on the process and added
> >value of WSIS phase 2. Following this meeting would
> come a more formal
> >meeting to  prepare for the first PrepCom. Dates
> for this more formal
> >meeting are not yet set. Mentioned were end
> April,end May or beginning of
> >July. For the first meeting he wanted at least the
> CS Bureau to attend.
> >
> >But now comes the crux: Tunesia has the capacity to
> help with all
> >infrastructure inside of Tunesia, would also help
> e.g. to set up logistics
> >for CS if they wanted to hold a preparatory meeting
> on 3 March to develop
> >strategies. But they do not have funds for travel,
> nor the ability to
> >transfer anything out of the country, to let any
> stakeholder, including CS
> >come to Tunesia.
> >
> >On another point he told me that that his
> Government would appoint two
> >Tunesian delegates to be part of the Secretariat
> for CS. When I asked if
> >they could not continue to work with Alain and
> Louise, he said they would
> >if somebody else would finance them, meaning if
> this would happen they would
> >then have 4 CSDs. (The financing of the CSD has
> just come to an end here as
> >of 31 January)
> >
> >In short: CS is welcomed (and to my question also
> with critical voices) but
> >has to look for its own means.
> >
> >CONGO will organize a Briefing on WSIS 1 and Phase
> 2 shortly. I will keep
> >you informed.
> >
> >With best regards,
> >
> >Renate Bloem
> >President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
> >
> >
> >
> >Chers collègues et amis,
> >
> >Pour votre information, j'ai reçu un coup de
> téléphone vendredi (30
> >février)me demandant de rencontrer le Ministre
> tunisien des technologies de
> >l'information et des transports, M. Sadok Rabah,
> qui était à Genève pour
> >une rencontre avec ses homologues du gouvernement
> suisse, avec M. Uzumi et
> >d'autres membres du Secrétariat pour relancer le
> processus portant à
> >Tunisie 2005. (Dans ce contexte, la rencontre de
> l'UIT du 26 - 27 février
> >est, comme nombre d'entre vous l'ont déjà fait
> remarquer, un séminaire
> >technique interne de l'UIT censé donner un input à
> l'ICT Task Force Open
> >Forum de l'ONU, qui se tiendra à New York du 25 au
> 27 mars, sur la
> >gouvenance d'internet et il ne fait pas directement
> partie du processus
> >préparatoire du SMSI phase 2. Cependant, son issue
> sera la nomination du
> >groupe de travail intergouvernemental par le
> Secrétaire général).
> >
> >Le ministre tunisien voulait nous donner quelques
> informations sur quelques
> >éléments préparatoire et en même temps nous
> rassurer sur le fait que son
> >gouvernement veut bien la participation de la
> société civile dans tout le
> >processus.
> >
> >Le premier pas sera une réunion informelle de tous
> les concernés, prévue
> >pour le 4 - 5 mars à Tunis pour discuter des issues
> possibles du SMSI phase
> >2. Après cette réunion il y en aura une autre, plus
> formelle, de
> >préparation pour la première Prepcom. Les dates de
> cette réunion plus
> >formelle ne sont pas encore fixées, mais on a
> mentionné fin avril, fin mai
> >ou début juin. Pour la première réunion il aimerait
> qu'au moins le Bureau
> >SC participe.
> >
> >Mais maintenant vient le point important: la
> Tunisie peut aider avec toute
> >l'infrastructure nécessaire à l'intérieur de la
> Tunisie, et ils aideraient
> >par exemple aussi à mettre sur pied
> l'infrastructure nécessaire pour la
> >société civile si celle-ci souhaitait tenir une
> réunion 
=== message truncated ===


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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 22:37:33 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] RE: Info for WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <p05100313bc4571375b30@[192.168.1.227]>
Message-ID: <20040203223733.56620.qmail@web60701.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Adam
Thanks for the information... it was time to be
informed on who is invited to ITU February meeting and
how the selection has been made.
I trust you when you said that we (civil society i
expect) are well covered.
Can you explain why we are obliged to accept such
things when we did not agree with the selection of CS
speakers in Geneva ?
When are we going to take our responsability... 
If you continue to accept such a practice you are
taking the responsability to enhance the preparation
of a counter Summit. Is it what we are aiming ?
Cher Adam
Merci pour l'information .... il était temps qu'on
soit informé sur qui a été invité à la prochaine
réunion de l'UIT et comment la sélection a été faite.
Je vous crois quand vous dite que nous (société civile
?) sommes bien couverts.
Pouvez vous nous indiquer pourquoi on accepterait
pareilles choses lorsque nous avons marqué notre
opposition à la nommination des spaeakers de la Sc au
Sommet de Genève ?
Quand prendrions nous nos responsabilité  car si nons
continuons sur la même voie nous prenons la
responsabilité de créer les conditions pour le
démarrage de la préparation d'un contre sommet à
Tunis.
Estce que c'est cela que nous visons ,
Djilali    
--- Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
> John, see
>
<http://www.itu.int/osg/spu/forum/intgov04/index.html>
> 
> Experts have been selected. Quite a number from the
> Internet
> Governance caucus:  Wolfgang, Bill, Izumi, Bertrand,
> Vittorio
> Bertola, Milton Mueller. ITU made the selections,
> not civil society.
> But we are well covered. I don't want to re-hash a
> long email
> discussion, check the governance caucus lists for
> all the detail.
> Please check with the caucus before asking ITU to
> attend
> <https://ssl.cpsr.org/mailman/listinfo/governance>.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> At 10:06 AM -0500 2/3/04, John R. Gagain Jr. wrote:
> >Renata,
> >
> >Does either you, Wolfgang, Bill Blake, YJ, or
> anyone have any information on
> >the 26-27 February ITU meeting?  I will be in
> Geneva.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >John R. Gagain Jr.
> >Think Tank Focal Point
> >WSIS Civil Society Bureau
> >World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS)
> >Representative to International Organizations
> >Fundación Global Democracia y Desarrollo (FUNGLODE)
> >
> >Calle Capitán Eugenio de Marchena, No. 26
> >Ensanche La Esperilla
> >Santo Domingo, República Dominicana
> >
> >Tel.: 809.685.9966 Ext. 2201
> >Fax: 212-898-1115
> >
> >Email: j.gagain@funglode.org
> >Web: http://www.funglode.org
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bureau-request@geneva2003.org
> >[mailto:bureau-request@geneva2003.org]On Behalf Of
> Renata BLOEM
> >Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:20 AM
> >To: CS Bureau; CS Plenary
> >Cc: Sheila Bordier; Isolda Agazzi; Rik Panganiban
> >Subject: Info for WSIS Phase 2
> >
> >
> >voir Francais en-bas
> >
> >
> >Dear all,
> >
> >For your information, I received a call on Friday
> (30 February) to meet with
> >the Tunesian Minister of Communication Technologies
> and Transport, Mr. Sadok
> >Rabah, who was here in Geneva to meet with his
> Swiss Government
> >Counterparts, with Mr Uzumi, also with members of
> the Secretariat to give a
> >boost to relance the process towards Tunesia 2005.
> (In this context the ITU
> >meeting, 26-27 February is, as many of you pointed
> already out, an internal
> >technical ITU w-shop to feed into the UN ICT Task
> Force Open Forum in New
> >York, 25-27 March, on Internet Governance  and not
> directly part of the WSIS
> >2 preparatory process. However, it will determine
> by its outcome the
> >appointment of the IG WG by the Secretay General)
> >
> >The Tunesian Minister wanted to inform us about
> some of the preparatory
> >steps envisioned and at the same time to ensure us
> that his government wants
> >the full participation of Civil Society in the
> whole process.
> >
> >The first step will be an informal meeting with all
> stakeholders, scheduled
> >for 4-5 March, to be held in Tunesia to brainstorm
> on the process and added
> >value of WSIS phase 2. Following this meeting would
> come a more formal
> >meeting to  prepare for the first PrepCom. Dates
> for this more formal
> >meeting are not yet set. Mentioned were end
> April,end May or beginning of
> >July. For the first meeting he wanted at least the
> CS Bureau to attend.
> >
> >But now comes the crux: Tunesia has the capacity to
> help with all
> >infrastructure inside of Tunesia, would also help
> e.g. to set up logistics
> >for CS if they wanted to hold a preparatory meeting
> on 3 March to develop
> >strategies. But they do not have funds for travel,
> nor the ability to
> >transfer anything out of the country, to let any
> stakeholder, including CS
> >come to Tunesia.
> >
> >On another point he told me that that his
> Government would appoint two
> >Tunesian delegates to be part of the Secretariat
> for CS. When I asked if
> >they could not continue to work with Alain and
> Louise, he said they would
> >if somebody else would finance them, meaning if
> this would happen they would
> >then have 4 CSDs. (The financing of the CSD has
> just come to an end here as
> >of 31 January)
> >
> >In short: CS is welcomed (and to my question also
> with critical voices) but
> >has to look for its own means.
> >
> >CONGO will organize a Briefing on WSIS 1 and Phase
> 2 shortly. I will keep
> >you informed.
> >
> >With best regards,
> >
> >Renate Bloem
> >President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
> >
> >
> >
> >Chers collègues et amis,
> >
> >Pour votre information, j'ai reçu un coup de
> téléphone vendredi (30
> >février)me demandant de rencontrer le Ministre
> tunisien des technologies de
> >l'information et des transports, M. Sadok Rabah,
> qui était à Genève pour
> >une rencontre avec ses homologues du gouvernement
> suisse, avec M. Uzumi et
> >d'autres membres du Secrétariat pour relancer le
> processus portant à
> >Tunisie 2005. (Dans ce contexte, la rencontre de
> l'UIT du 26 - 27 février
> >est, comme nombre d'entre vous l'ont déjà fait
> remarquer, un séminaire
> >technique interne de l'UIT censé donner un input à
> l'ICT Task Force Open
> >Forum de l'ONU, qui se tiendra à New York du 25 au
> 27 mars, sur la
> >gouvenance d'internet et il ne fait pas directement
> partie du processus
> >préparatoire du SMSI phase 2. Cependant, son issue
> sera la nomination du
> >groupe de travail intergouvernemental par le
> Secrétaire général).
> >
> >Le ministre tunisien voulait nous donner quelques
> informations sur quelques
> >éléments préparatoire et en même temps nous
> rassurer sur le fait que son
> >gouvernement veut bien la participation de la
> société civile dans tout le
> >processus.
> >
> >Le premier pas sera une réunion informelle de tous
> les concernés, prévue
> >pour le 4 - 5 mars à Tunis pour discuter des issues
> possibles du SMSI phase
> >2. Après cette réunion il y en aura une autre, plus
> formelle, de
> >préparation pour la première Prepcom. Les dates de
> cette réunion plus
> >formelle ne sont pas encore fixées, mais on a
> mentionné fin avril, fin mai
> >ou début juin. Pour la première réunion il aimerait
> qu'au moins le Bureau
> >SC participe.
> >
> >Mais maintenant vient le point important: la
> Tunisie peut aider avec toute
> >l'infrastructure nécessaire à l'intérieur de la
> Tunisie, et ils aideraient
> >par exemple aussi à mettre sur pied
> l'infrastructure nécessaire pour la
> >société civile si celle-ci souhaitait tenir une
> réunion 
=== message truncated ===


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From esther.joly at club-internet.fr  Tue Feb  3 23:11:08 2004
From: esther.joly at club-internet.fr (Esther Joly)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <20040203220541.97313.qmail@web60707.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BC45E91C.758C%esther.joly@club-internet.fr>

J'appuie cette intervention...

Je comprends l'anglais, l'italien... Mais je ne les ?cris pas fluently :-)
Je suis catastrophee de l'autisme de l'usage de la langue anglaise... De
lire les interventions de mes concitoyens en anglais sans texte en
fran?ais... Exclusion par les langues par des personnes qui disent se battre
pour l'inclusion...

Esther


> De?: djilali benamrane <dbenamrane@yahoo.com>
> R?pondre ??: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Date?: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:05:41 -0800 (PST)
> ??: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Objet?: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS Phase 2
> 
> Dear Ralf,
> It seems that things are already in progress but on
> the same scheme that during the first phase Geneva
> 2003.... A little place for the so call International
> Civile Society leaded by Major English spoken
> associations mainly from the North.
> Let's continue on this way and we will meet in Tunis
> the same result than december 2003.
> Djilali
> Cher Raf,
> Il semble que les choses ?volue sur le m?me shema que
> lors de la phase pr?paratoire du sommet de gen?ve...
> Une toute petite place octroy?e ? la dite soci?t?
> civile internationale men?e par un club d'associations
> maitrisant l'anglais et en provenance essentiellement
> du Nord.
> Continuons sur la m?me voie et ne nous ?tonnons pas
> des maigres r?sultats que nous allons avoir ? Tunis en
> 2005.   
> --- Ralf Bendrath <ralf.bendrath@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> have a look at this document for the ITU WSIS
>> working group Wolfgang
>> mentioned:
>> 
> <http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/Geneva_04/Tunis-RoadMap.doc>
>> 
>> It looks like there will be a twofold preparatory
>> process: 
>> 1. thematic (no regional) meetings and prepcoms for
>> building concrete
>> mechanisms for actions
>> 2. a parallel "Coordination Group" where the chart
>> just says
>> "stakeholders", for reviewing actions.
>> 
>> Does anyone know about this "Coordination Group"?
>> Will it be constructed
>> like the ITU workshop, i.e. with limited
>> participants (invited "key
>> actors" / "experts" or whatever)? Or how else?
>> 
>> In general, it looks like this time there will be a
>> heavy focus on the
>> Action Plan and concrete implementation of the
>> principles mentioned in
>> the summit declaration.
>> 
>> The themes will be much broader than just the
>> "Internet governance" and
>> "finance" issues  that have have gathered a lot of
>> interest here and
>> everywhere... Just look at the ITU stock taking
>> attempts at
>> 
> <http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/Geneva_04/stocktaking-update.doc>.
>> They
>> cover everything.
>> 
>> In fact, the two working groups (in Internet
>> governance and finance)
>> could be a third parallel part of the process.
>> 
>> We will have to think about:
>> 
>> 1. How do the working groups and the action plan
>> implementation issues
>> link together? 
>> 2. How would we have to change our working
>> structures accordingly, in
>> order to be most effective and still bottom-up and
>> inclusive?
>> 3. Do we want this structureat all? What else would
>> we envisage? If we
>> want to try to change this, we would have to act
>> soon and coordinated.
>> 
>> Just my 5 (euro)cent. ;-)
>> 
>> Ralf
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From esther.joly at club-internet.fr  Tue Feb  3 23:14:42 2004
From: esther.joly at club-internet.fr (Esther Joly)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] global events calendar for WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <20040203221232.21578.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BC45E9F2.758D%esther.joly@club-internet.fr>

A Gen?ve il y a eu la constitution d'un collectif de coordinateurs des pays
africains... Mais j'ai quitt? cette r?union avant la fin... Et je n'ai pas
les contacts... Peut-?tre une autre personne en aurait ?

Esther

> De?: djilali benamrane <dbenamrane@yahoo.com>
> R?pondre ??: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Date?: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:12:32 -0800 (PST)
> ??: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Objet?: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] global events calendar for WSIS Phase 2
> 
> Very good proposal !
> But who can help Niger or Burkina Faso or Tchad etc...
> to promote a website on the subject to be present in
> the debate ! where are these africans, officials and
> CS representatives who suggest that NEPAD is resolving
> the Digital Divide ? Where are Tunisians in this
> debate ?
> Djilali
> Excellente suggestion mais qui pense ? aider le Niger,
> le Burkina Faso, le tchad etc a promouvoir des sites
> web sur le sujet pour ?tre pr?sents dans le d?bat !
> o? sont ces africains officiels et repr?sentant de la
> soci?t? civile qui ?taient persuad? que le NEPAD
> allait r?soudre la fracture num?rique ? mais o? se
> cachent donc les Tunisiens de tunisie et de la dispora
> dans ce d?bat ?
> Djilali
> 
> 
> --- Liss Jeffrey <ljeffrey@ecommons.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Here is an idea:
>> I suggest a links page with connections to those
>> national web sites that
>> are listing national and local events.
>> For instance our own Canadian civil society site is
>> starting to grow:
>> 
>> http://wsis.ecommons.ca
>> EVENTS http://wsis.ecommons.ca/event
>> and
>> http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca
>> ?v?nements  http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca/event
>> 
>> We have a calendar, events listing, ngo events
>> tonight in Montreal,
>> Thursday in Toronto, and more to come including
>> reports.
>> 
>> Pls add our link if this idea works for you, and
>> perhaps others can provide
>> links to their own national web spaces.
>> Liss Jeffrey, PhD
>> Founding director, eCommons/agora
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> At 06:46 PM 03/02/2004 +0100, Ralf Bendrath wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> wolfgang@imv.au.dk wrote:
>>>> It would be good if we could generate a
>> "Calendar of Events" on a Website
>>> 
>>> I thought the same and set up an "events" page at
>>> http://www.worldsummit2003.org
>>> (or http://www.worldsummit2005.org from now on - as
>> you like).
>>> 
>>> Click on "WSIS events" in the right column under
>> "... to WSIS 2005".
>>> 
>>> This is only a listing of global events (i.e.
>> mostly things that have
>>> been mentioned on the CS-Plenary list), regional
>> events are surely
>>> missing big time. So please send us updates and
>> hints on what to add.
>>> But keep in mind we will not have the ressources to
>> add every small-town
>>> NGO meeting. We will focus on important global or
>> regional events (and
>>> of course on Germany on another page).
>>> 
>>> Best, Ralf
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
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From amalidesilva at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 23:27:16 2004
From: amalidesilva at yahoo.com (Amali De Silva)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <20040203220541.97313.qmail@web60707.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040203232716.28870.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Djilali,
 
Here I have to put in my two ( Cnd) cents worth. The countries of the North and here I will speak about  Canada have been  very supportive of CS, providing funds for countries of the South to attend meetings when these opportunites were somewhat limited for their own Northern groups to attend. 
 
In general the "northerners" put a lot of man-hours into the process to keep us CS moving which we have to appreciate. The South had every opportunity to particiapte on-line ( limited cost - only their own internet access and a computer) at the caucus and plenary level. 
 
English we just have to admit is prevalent - I donot expect anyone to really be able to communicte with me in my own native language on-line - I just accept that - I am just pleased we can communicate at all! Not to say we must not encourage other  languages.
 
Now that the South can see that it is possible to participate on-line, form partnerships etc - they should strive to do so. They should create interest in their own countries and lobby their governments in an effective manner providing ideas and feedback.
 
Ok ! that is it from me, also a citizen of a developing country in Asia although representing a CS member of the North! 
 
Amali De Silva-Mitchell
President Vancouver Community Network ( Canada )

djilali benamrane <dbenamrane@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Ralf,
It seems that things are already in progress but on
the same scheme that during the first phase Geneva
2003.... A little place for the so call International
Civile Society leaded by Major English spoken
associations mainly from the North.
Let's continue on this way and we will meet in Tunis
the same result than december 2003.
Djilali



Amali De Silva-Mitchell MSc.

Tel: 1-604-736-9012 & Email: amalidesilva@yahoo.com

 

 

 





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From rguerra at cpsr.org  Tue Feb  3 21:54:11 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Info for WSIS Phase 2
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Message-ID: <2147483647.1075827251@localhost>

Wolfgang:

I'd be more than happy to provide hosting and space these type of 
functions on one of the servers I admin. The portal software, tikiwiki, 
provides the features you mention as well as collaborative document 
management.

I'll setup a test site and have people take a look to see if it might be 
usefull.

regards

Robert



--On Tuesday, February 3, 2004 8:54 AM +0100 wolfgang@imv.au.dk wrote:

> It would be good if we could generate a "Calendar of Events" on a
> Website with " official WSIS events", "informal WSIS events" and "WSIS
> related events". This would made it easier to start planning with very
> limited ressources.
>
> Tunis is certainly cheaper than Geneva, but flights are much more
> expensive :-(
>
> best
>
> w
> Original Nachricht--
> Von: veni markovski <veni@veni.com>
> An: plenary@wsis-cs.org,plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Senden: 02.02.2004
> Betreff: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Info for WSIS Phase 2
>
> I'd like to add some more questions:
> 1) Since there will be an ICANN meeting March 1-6, people who are
> involved  in Internet governance on the root/DNS level will not be
> able to attend  other meetings. How do we solve that with going to
> Tunisia?
> 2) Why not use the Geneva accreditation?
> 3) Will there be special prices for staying in Tunisia? This is
> extremly  important for the CS.
>
>
>> Thank you for providing us with latest information on WSIS Phase 2
>> organization. However, there are still many issues to be clarified,
>> and it
>
>> seems quite hard to obtain any information about that. Here are some
>> questions that I would like to raise as for now:
>
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From amalidesilva at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 00:39:09 2004
From: amalidesilva at yahoo.com (Amali De Silva)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS Phase 2 - DEMAND 5 Action Plan - A challenge !
Message-ID: <20040204003909.95877.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Civil Society,
 
Following all these discusions taking place on-line  - I think CS in each individual country should at a minimum meet the "Demand 5 Action Plan" challenge set out below.
 
Ask of your governments the following to ensure:
 
1)  CS participation and access
2 ) Freedom of expression
 
5 Designated Computer Access Points in each country ( internet access ) by March 1, 2004 so that local CS can contribute to the WSIS - CS discussions on-line !
 
If you want a model of what access points are about check out www.vcn.bc.ca  !
 
 
Amali De Silva - Mitchell
President Vancouver Community Network ( Canada )
 
 
 



Amali De Silva-Mitchell MSc.

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From: kwami at aitecafrica.com (Kwami Ahiabenu,II)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [Afrocn]African ICT events Calendar/ Calendrier africain des evenements TIC
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From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Wed Feb  4 08:43:13 2004
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] RE: Info for WSIS Phase 2
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Dear Djilali,

The list of invited experts is online at 
<http://www.itu.int/osg/spu/forum/intgov04/experts.html> Note, 
invited as individual experts, not as civil society.

We do not know how selections were made, the ITU is presenting the 
workshop as an internal event, they give justification for this in 
the workshop announcement, 
<http://www.itu.int/osg/spu/forum/intgov04/index.html>. But, if you 
look back through email to the plenary list, you will see some 
discussion of this (there was much more on the Internet governance 
caucus list), see email around the last week of January and notes by 
Wolfgang Kleinw?chter, William (Bill) Drake, YJ Park, Richard Jordan 
and myself.

Bill even asked if anyone from the Plenary would like to attend the 
workshop, if so the caucus was considering how to submit names. No 
takers at the time.  And seeing the latest ITU announcement (above), 
it looks hard to add a person now. It is an expert meeting, so there 
is no point in someone just attending to be civil society, and there 
is no money to support travel, etc.

Active members of the civil society caucus invited to the workshop 
are Wolfgang, Izumi Aizu (note Wolfgang and Izumi not yet listed on 
the site, but have received their invitations), Bill Drake, Bertrand 
de La Chapelle, Vittorio Bertola and Milton Mueller.  I think most on 
the plenary list will be familiar with these names, except perhaps 
Milton who joined for the Summit. All the others have been active 
participants from the earliest prepcoms.  (for info, I believe both 
RIPE and W3C are accredited as civil society in WSIS, perhaps also 
the Berkman Center.)

Hope this helps.

And I hope anyone interested will please join the Internet governance 
caucus list:

<https://ssl.cpsr.org/mailman/listinfo/governance>,
<mailto:governance-request@lists.cpsr.org?subject=subscribe>

Many thanks,

Adam





>Dear Adam
>Thanks for the information... it was time to be
>informed on who is invited to ITU February meeting and
>how the selection has been made.
>I trust you when you said that we (civil society i
>expect) are well covered.
>Can you explain why we are obliged to accept such
>things when we did not agree with the selection of CS
>speakers in Geneva ?
>When are we going to take our responsability...
>If you continue to accept such a practice you are
>taking the responsability to enhance the preparation
>of a counter Summit. Is it what we are aiming ?
>Cher Adam
>Merci pour l'information .... il ?tait temps qu'on
>soit inform? sur qui a ?t? invit? ? la prochaine
>r?union de l'UIT et comment la s?lection a ?t? faite.
>Je vous crois quand vous dite que nous (soci?t? civile
>?) sommes bien couverts.
>Pouvez vous nous indiquer pourquoi on accepterait
>pareilles choses lorsque nous avons marqu? notre
>opposition ? la nommination des spaeakers de la Sc au
>Sommet de Gen?ve ?
>Quand prendrions nous nos responsabilit?  car si nons
>continuons sur la m?me voie nous prenons la
>responsabilit? de cr?er les conditions pour le
>d?marrage de la pr?paration d'un contre sommet ?
>Tunis.
>Estce que c'est cela que nous visons ,
>Djilali???
>--- Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
>>  John, see
>>
><http://www.itu.int/osg/spu/forum/intgov04/index.html>
>>
>>  Experts have been selected. Quite a number from the
>>  Internet
>>  Governance caucus:  Wolfgang, Bill, Izumi, Bertrand,
>>  Vittorio
>>  Bertola, Milton Mueller. ITU made the selections,
>>  not civil society.
>>  But we are well covered. I don't want to re-hash a
>>  long email
>>  discussion, check the governance caucus lists for
>>  all the detail.
>>  Please check with the caucus before asking ITU to
>>  attend
>>  <https://ssl.cpsr.org/mailman/listinfo/governance>.
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>
>>  Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>  At 10:06 AM -0500 2/3/04, John R. Gagain Jr. wrote:
>>  >Renata,
>>  >
>>  >Does either you, Wolfgang, Bill Blake, YJ, or
>>  anyone have any information on
>>  >the 26-27 February ITU meeting?  I will be in
>  > Geneva.
>  > >
>  > >Sincerely,
>  > >
>  > >John R. Gagain Jr.
>  > >Think Tank Focal Point
>  > >WSIS Civil Society Bureau
>  > >World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS)
>  > >Representative to International Organizations
>>  >Fundaci?n Global Democracia y Desarrollo (FUNGLODE)
>>  >
>>  >Calle Capit?n Eugenio de Marchena, No. 26
>>  >Ensanche La Esperilla
>>  >Santo Domingo, Rep?blica Dominicana
>>  >
>>  >Tel.: 809.685.9966 Ext. 2201
>>  >Fax: 212-898-1115
>>  >
>>  >Email: j.gagain@funglode.org
>>  >Web: http://www.funglode.org
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >-----Original Message-----
>>  >From: bureau-request@geneva2003.org
>>  >[mailto:bureau-request@geneva2003.org]On Behalf Of
>>  Renata BLOEM
>>  >Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:20 AM
>>  >To: CS Bureau; CS Plenary
>>  >Cc: Sheila Bordier; Isolda Agazzi; Rik Panganiban
>>  >Subject: Info for WSIS Phase 2
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >voir Francais en-bas
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >Dear all,
>>  >
>>  >For your information, I received a call on Friday
>>  (30 February) to meet with
>>  >the Tunesian Minister of Communication Technologies
>>  and Transport, Mr. Sadok
>>  >Rabah, who was here in Geneva to meet with his
>>  Swiss Government
>>  >Counterparts, with Mr Uzumi, also with members of
>>  the Secretariat to give a
>>  >boost to relance the process towards Tunesia 2005.
>>  (In this context the ITU
>>  >meeting, 26-27 February is, as many of you pointed
>  > already out, an internal
>>  >technical ITU w-shop to feed into the UN ICT Task
>>  Force Open Forum in New
>>  >York, 25-27 March, on Internet Governance  and not
>  > directly part of the WSIS
>>  >2 preparatory process. However, it will determine
>>  by its outcome the
>>  >appointment of the IG WG by the Secretay General)
>>  >
>>  >The Tunesian Minister wanted to inform us about
>>  some of the preparatory
>>  >steps envisioned and at the same time to ensure us
>>  that his government wants
>>  >the full participation of Civil Society in the
>>  whole process.
>>  >
>>  >The first step will be an informal meeting with all
>>  stakeholders, scheduled
>>  >for 4-5 March, to be held in Tunesia to brainstorm
>>  on the process and added
>>  >value of WSIS phase 2. Following this meeting would
>>  come a more formal
>>  >meeting to  prepare for the first PrepCom. Dates
>>  for this more formal
>>  >meeting are not yet set. Mentioned were end
>>  April,end May or beginning of
>>  >July. For the first meeting he wanted at least the
>>  CS Bureau to attend.
>>  >
>>  >But now comes the crux: Tunesia has the capacity to
>>  help with all
>>  >infrastructure inside of Tunesia, would also help
>>  e.g. to set up logistics
>>  >for CS if they wanted to hold a preparatory meeting
>>  on 3 March to develop
>>  >strategies. But they do not have funds for travel,
>>  nor the ability to
>>  >transfer anything out of the country, to let any
>>  stakeholder, including CS
>>  >come to Tunesia.
>>  >
>>  >On another point he told me that that his
>>  Government would appoint two
>>  >Tunesian delegates to be part of the Secretariat
>>  for CS. When I asked if
>>  >they could not continue to work with Alain and
>>  Louise, he said they would
>>  >if somebody else would finance them, meaning if
>>  this would happen they would
>>  >then have 4 CSDs. (The financing of the CSD has
>>  just come to an end here as
>>  >of 31 January)
>>  >
>>  >In short: CS is welcomed (and to my question also
>>  with critical voices) but
>>  >has to look for its own means.
>>  >
>>  >CONGO will organize a Briefing on WSIS 1 and Phase
>>  2 shortly. I will keep
>>  >you informed.
>>  >
>>  >With best regards,
>>  >
>>  >Renate Bloem
>>  >President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >Chers coll?gues et amis,
>>  >
>>  >Pour votre information, j'ai re?u un coup de
>>  t?l?phone vendredi (30
>>  >f?vrier)me demandant de rencontrer le Ministre
>>  tunisien des technologies de
>>  >l'information et des transports, M. Sadok Rabah,
>>  qui ?tait ? Gen?ve pour
>>  >une rencontre avec ses homologues du gouvernement
>>  suisse, avec M. Uzumi et
>>  >d'autres membres du Secr?tariat pour relancer le
>>  processus portant ?
>>  >Tunisie 2005. (Dans ce contexte, la rencontre de
>>  l'UIT du 26 - 27 f?vrier
>>  >est, comme nombre d'entre vous l'ont d?j? fait
>>  remarquer, un s?minaire
>>  >technique interne de l'UIT cens? donner un input ?
>>  l'ICT Task Force Open
>>  >Forum de l'ONU, qui se tiendra ? New York du 25 au
>  > 27 mars, sur la
>>  >gouvenance d'internet et il ne fait pas directement
>  > partie du processus
>>  >pr?paratoire du SMSI phase 2. Cependant, son issue
>>  sera la nomination du
>>  >groupe de travail intergouvernemental par le
>>  Secr?taire g?n?ral).
>>  >
>>  >Le ministre tunisien voulait nous donner quelques
>>  informations sur quelques
>>  >?l?ments pr?paratoire et en m?me temps nous
>>  rassurer sur le fait que son
>>  >gouvernement veut bien la participation de la
>>  soci?t? civile dans tout le
>>  >processus.
>>  >
>>  >Le premier pas sera une r?union informelle de tous
>>  les concern?s, pr?vue
>>  >pour le 4 - 5 mars ? Tunis pour discuter des issues
>>  possibles du SMSI phase
>>  >2. Apr?s cette r?union il y en aura une autre, plus
>>  formelle, de
>>  >pr?paration pour la premi?re Prepcom. Les dates de
>>  cette r?union plus
>>  >formelle ne sont pas encore fix?es, mais on a
>>  mentionn? fin avril, fin mai
>>  >ou d?but juin. Pour la premi?re r?union il aimerait
>>  qu'au moins le Bureau
>>  >SC participe.
>>  >
>>  >Mais maintenant vient le point important: la
>>  Tunisie peut aider avec toute
>>  >l'infrastructure n?cessaire ? l'int?rieur de la
>>  Tunisie, et ils aideraient
>>  >par exemple aussi ? mettre sur pied
>>  l'infrastructure n?cessaire pour la
>  > >soci?t? civile si celle-ci souhaitait tenir une
>>  r?union
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>
>
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 09:15:11 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <20040203232716.28870.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040204091511.68860.qmail@web60707.mail.yahoo.com>

Please see French Below,
Dear Amali,
Thanks for your reply.
First, i am not trying to divide the CS between her
North and South components. It is more than a priority
to try to unified our efforts.
2. It is a fact that the South CS is in a borning
process depending on the situation in different
countries.
3. It is a fact that participating in the preparation
or in the tenue of a Summit for no English speaking is
more than difficult and useless.
4. It is a fact that Canada do a lot for certain
undervelopped countries including French speaking
countries. But even if we must accept it as a right,
we must underline that Canadian Government select his
support to countries on his own criteria, and we have
a lot to say on how Noth rich countries appreciate the
so called Good Governance.
5. It is a fact that speaking about internet
facilities to participate in line to discussions,
Caucuss, Working Group and Summit is simply an
expensive dream for a lot of African CS.
Congratulations, you are native from Asian
Underdevelopped country and you are representing
efficiently North CS. I guess that there are a lot of
African leader who are in good position in the North
and who try to do something for their countries but we
must admit that it is so difficult to do for this
hopeless continent.
All the best
Djilali
Cher Amali,
Merci pour votre réponse
1. je ne suis pas en train de vouloir diviser la SC
entre ses composante Nord et Sud à un moment où il
faut unifier les efforts.
2. C'est un fait que la SC en Afrique est dans une
situation de naissance difficile et connaît des
situations différentes d'un pays à l'autre en Afrique.
3.C'est un fait que la participation à la préparation
et à la tenue d'un sommet pour les non englophones est
un leurre, une vexation, une insulte tant la
domination des anglophones est pleine de mépris et de
domination.
4.C'est un fait que le canada aide les pays en
développement y compris les pays francophone mais elle
le fait souverainement selon ses critères
d'appréciation en fonction de son appréciation
discrétionnaire de la bonne ou mauvaise gouvernance
qui y prévaut.   
5. C'est un fait que parler de la possibilité pour la
SC du Sud de participer aux discussions, aux groupes
de travail thématique et aux sommets par Internet est
plus qu'un rêve coûteux et je vous invite d'aller
vérifier ce que je dis par exemple dans un pays comme
le Niger ou le Tchad...
Pour ce qui concerne votre origine d'un pays du Sud
qui représente aujourd'hui la SC du Nord je vous
félicite pour votre succès. Il y a sans doute des
africains avec des postes importants au Nord mais il
semble qu'il soit difficile d'aider un continent
maudit et sans espoir du fait de l'injustice
structurelle qui marque les relations Nord Sud !
Bien à vous
Djilali 
--- Amali De Silva <amalidesilva@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Djilali,
>  
> Here I have to put in my two ( Cnd) cents worth. The
> countries of the North and here I will speak about 
> Canada have been  very supportive of CS, providing
> funds for countries of the South to attend meetings
> when these opportunites were somewhat limited for
> their own Northern groups to attend. 
>  
> In general the "northerners" put a lot of man-hours
> into the process to keep us CS moving which we have
> to appreciate. The South had every opportunity to
> particiapte on-line ( limited cost - only their own
> internet access and a computer) at the caucus and
> plenary level. 
>  
> English we just have to admit is prevalent - I donot
> expect anyone to really be able to communicte with
> me in my own native language on-line - I just accept
> that - I am just pleased we can communicate at all!
> Not to say we must not encourage other  languages.
>  
> Now that the South can see that it is possible to
> participate on-line, form partnerships etc - they
> should strive to do so. They should create interest
> in their own countries and lobby their governments
> in an effective manner providing ideas and feedback.
>  
> Ok ! that is it from me, also a citizen of a
> developing country in Asia although representing a
> CS member of the North! 
>  
> Amali De Silva-Mitchell
> President Vancouver Community Network ( Canada )
> 
> djilali benamrane <dbenamrane@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Ralf,
> It seems that things are already in progress but on
> the same scheme that during the first phase Geneva
> 2003.... A little place for the so call
> International
> Civile Society leaded by Major English spoken
> associations mainly from the North.
> Let's continue on this way and we will meet in Tunis
> the same result than december 2003.
> Djilali
> 
> 
> 
> Amali De Silva-Mitchell MSc.
> 
> Tel: 1-604-736-9012 & Email: amalidesilva@yahoo.com
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 09:27:55 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <BC45E91C.758C%esther.joly@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <20040204092755.43422.qmail@web60708.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Esther,
Thanks for your support !
What is incredible is as no English speaking we are
considered as analphabet without any expertise or
culture by our English speaking collegues and firends.
Look below, even my translation in French is
unreadeable thanks to the Microsoft editing softweare,
if it is not the enrashment it look like !
All the best
Chère Esther,
Merci pour votre appui
Ce qui est incroyable c'est qu'en tant que non
englophone nous sommes déconsidés par nos collègues et
amis englophones qui nous considère comme des
nalphabètes sans culture ni formation. 
Relisez ce texte en français, grâce à Microsoft et son
logiciel de taitement de texte les textes en français
ne sont quasiment pas lisible et les accents se
transforment en cauchemard... si ce n'est pas du
harcellement cela lui ressemble fort.
Bien à vous 
Djilali 
--- Esther Joly <esther.joly@club-internet.fr> wrote:
> J'appuie cette intervention...
> 
> Je comprends l'anglais, l'italien... Mais je ne les
> écris pas fluently :-)
> Je suis catastrophee de l'autisme de l'usage de la
> langue anglaise... De
> lire les interventions de mes concitoyens en anglais
> sans texte en
> français... Exclusion par les langues par des
> personnes qui disent se battre
> pour l'inclusion...
> 
> Esther
> 
> 
> > De : djilali benamrane <dbenamrane@yahoo.com>
> > Répondre à : plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > Date : Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:05:41 -0800 (PST)
> > À : plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > Objet : Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS
> Phase 2
> > 
> > Dear Ralf,
> > It seems that things are already in progress but
> on
> > the same scheme that during the first phase Geneva
> > 2003.... A little place for the so call
> International
> > Civile Society leaded by Major English spoken
> > associations mainly from the North.
> > Let's continue on this way and we will meet in
> Tunis
> > the same result than december 2003.
> > Djilali
> > Cher Raf,
> > Il semble que les choses ?volue sur le m?me shema
> que
> > lors de la phase pr?paratoire du sommet de
> gen?ve...
> > Une toute petite place octroy?e ? la dite soci?t?
> > civile internationale men?e par un club
> d'associations
> > maitrisant l'anglais et en provenance
> essentiellement
> > du Nord.
> > Continuons sur la m?me voie et ne nous ?tonnons
> pas
> > des maigres r?sultats que nous allons avoir ?
> Tunis en
> > 2005.   
> > --- Ralf Bendrath
> <ralf.bendrath@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
> > wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >> 
> >> have a look at this document for the ITU WSIS
> >> working group Wolfgang
> >> mentioned:
> >> 
> >
>
<http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/Geneva_04/Tunis-RoadMap.doc>
> >> 
> >> It looks like there will be a twofold preparatory
> >> process: 
> >> 1. thematic (no regional) meetings and prepcoms
> for
> >> building concrete
> >> mechanisms for actions
> >> 2. a parallel "Coordination Group" where the
> chart
> >> just says
> >> "stakeholders", for reviewing actions.
> >> 
> >> Does anyone know about this "Coordination Group"?
> >> Will it be constructed
> >> like the ITU workshop, i.e. with limited
> >> participants (invited "key
> >> actors" / "experts" or whatever)? Or how else?
> >> 
> >> In general, it looks like this time there will be
> a
> >> heavy focus on the
> >> Action Plan and concrete implementation of the
> >> principles mentioned in
> >> the summit declaration.
> >> 
> >> The themes will be much broader than just the
> >> "Internet governance" and
> >> "finance" issues  that have have gathered a lot
> of
> >> interest here and
> >> everywhere... Just look at the ITU stock taking
> >> attempts at
> >> 
> >
>
<http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/Geneva_04/stocktaking-update.doc>.
> >> They
> >> cover everything.
> >> 
> >> In fact, the two working groups (in Internet
> >> governance and finance)
> >> could be a third parallel part of the process.
> >> 
> >> We will have to think about:
> >> 
> >> 1. How do the working groups and the action plan
> >> implementation issues
> >> link together? 
> >> 2. How would we have to change our working
> >> structures accordingly, in
> >> order to be most effective and still bottom-up
> and
> >> inclusive?
> >> 3. Do we want this structureat all? What else
> would
> >> we envisage? If we
> >> want to try to change this, we would have to act
> >> soon and coordinated.
> >> 
> >> Just my 5 (euro)cent. ;-)
> >> 
> >> Ralf
> >> _______________________________________________
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From karenb at gn.apc.org  Wed Feb  4 09:52:58 2004
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Info for WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1075827251@localhost>
References: <E1AnvO6-0000DY-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
 <E1AnvO6-0000DY-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040204095025.037bca40@pop.gn.apc.org>

hi robert, ralf, wolfgang

i do think it would be useful to have an interactive events calendar - 
ideally, something people can manage themselves..

robert - can you point us to an example of an existing wiki based events 
calendar?

karen

At 16:54 03/02/2004 -0500, Robert Guerra wrote:
>Wolfgang:
>
>I'd be more than happy to provide hosting and space these type of 
>functions on one of the servers I admin. The portal software, tikiwiki, 
>provides the features you mention as well as collaborative document management.
>
>I'll setup a test site and have people take a look to see if it might be 
>usefull.
>
>regards
>
>Robert



From nicholas at circuitspackets.com  Wed Feb  4 00:33:05 2004
From: nicholas at circuitspackets.com (Nicholas Kimolo)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [council] African ICT events Calendar/ Calendrier africain des
 evenements TIC
In-Reply-To: <20040203134102.69200.qmail@web10904.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040203134102.69200.qmail@web10904.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1075854785.4462.13.camel@circuitspackets.com>

Hi Nnenna,
Here at FOSSFA we are organizing several events this year.This include
the FOSSREC Training in Ghana in march  among others.Please see
http://www.fossfa.org/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=12 also see our
other events at www.fossfa.org 

Regards,
Nicholas

On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 08:41, Nnenna wrote:
> Dear all
>  
> This is a call for all ICT events in Africa.  What is happening in
> your organization?  Are you organizing any event? Do you know of any
> that will be of great interest to the Civil Soicety organizations in
> Africa? Let us know.  We will be glad to estblish a calendar.
> Apologies if you receive this more than once.
>  
> Chers tous
>  
> Cet appel est  l'endroit de tous ceux qui connaissent un evenement
> dans le cadres des TIC en Afrique ou pour l'int?? de la soci? civile
> africaine.  Nous souhaiterons en ?ablier un calendrier.  Veuiller nous
> tenir inform?.  Toute nos excuses pour multiples receptions.
>  
> Nnenna
> 
> 
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From sean at aitecafrica.com  Wed Feb  4 10:31:23 2004
From: sean at aitecafrica.com (Sean Moroney)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [idlelo] African ICT events Calendar/ Calendrier africain des evenements TIC
References: <20040203134102.69200.qmail@web10904.mail.yahoo.com>
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From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Wed Feb  4 11:42:43 2004
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Info for WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <IBEGJNBEEELEANPJGINMKECCDFAA.rbloem@ngocongo.org>
References: <IBEGJNBEEELEANPJGINMKECCDFAA.rbloem@ngocongo.org>
Message-ID: <p05100305bc468a3f3e4f@[192.168.1.218]>

Renata, thanks for the update.

Had some questions about this, so could you confirm:

The March 4-5 meeting will be to discuss process.  For civil society, 
representatives of the Bureau should attend (not all of us, not 
caucuses and working groups.)  Is this correct?

(I think it might be a good idea to include someone from content and 
themes/plenary, but I do understand that it looks like a bureau task.)

Thanks,

Adam



At 5:19 PM +0100 2/2/04, Renata BLOEM wrote:
>voir Francais en-bas
>
>
>Dear all,
>
>For your information, I received a call on Friday (30 February) to meet with
>the Tunesian Minister of Communication Technologies and Transport, Mr. Sadok
>Rabah, who was here in Geneva to meet with his Swiss Government
>Counterparts, with Mr Uzumi, also with members of the Secretariat to give a
>boost to relance the process towards Tunesia 2005. (In this context the ITU
>meeting, 26-27 February is, as many of you pointed already out, an internal
>technical ITU w-shop to feed into the UN ICT Task Force Open Forum in New
>York, 25-27 March, on Internet Governance  and not directly part of the WSIS
>2 preparatory process. However, it will determine by its outcome the
>appointment of the IG WG by the Secretay General)
>
>The Tunesian Minister wanted to inform us about some of the preparatory
>steps envisioned and at the same time to ensure us that his government wants
>the full participation of Civil Society in the whole process.
>
>The first step will be an informal meeting with all stakeholders, scheduled
>for 4-5 March, to be held in Tunesia to brainstorm on the process and added
>value of WSIS phase 2. Following this meeting would come a more formal
>meeting to  prepare for the first PrepCom. Dates for this more formal
>meeting are not yet set. Mentioned were end April,end May or beginning of
>July. For the first meeting he wanted at least the CS Bureau to attend.
>
>But now comes the crux: Tunesia has the capacity to help with all
>infrastructure inside of Tunesia, would also help e.g. to set up logistics
>for CS if they wanted to hold a preparatory meeting on 3 March to develop
>strategies. But they do not have funds for travel, nor the ability to
>transfer anything out of the country, to let any stakeholder, including CS
>come to Tunesia.
>
>On another point he told me that that his Government would appoint two
>Tunesian delegates to be part of the Secretariat for CS. When I asked if
>they could not continue to work with Alain and Louise, he said they would
>if somebody else would finance them, meaning if this would happen they would
>then have 4 CSDs. (The financing of the CSD has just come to an end here as
>of 31 January)
>
>In short: CS is welcomed (and to my question also with critical voices) but
>has to look for its own means.
>
>CONGO will organize a Briefing on WSIS 1 and Phase 2 shortly. I will keep
>you informed.
>
>With best regards,
>
>Renate Bloem
>President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
>
>
>
>Chers coll?gues et amis,
>
>Pour votre information, j'ai re?u un coup de t?l?phone vendredi (30
>f?vrier)me demandant de rencontrer le Ministre tunisien des technologies de
>l'information et des transports, M. Sadok Rabah, qui ?tait ? Gen?ve pour
>une rencontre avec ses homologues du gouvernement suisse, avec M. Uzumi et
>d'autres membres du Secr?tariat pour relancer le processus portant ?
>Tunisie 2005. (Dans ce contexte, la rencontre de l'UIT du 26 - 27 f?vrier
>est, comme nombre d'entre vous l'ont d?j? fait remarquer, un s?minaire
>technique interne de l'UIT cens? donner un input ? l'ICT Task Force Open
>Forum de l'ONU, qui se tiendra ? New York du 25 au 27 mars, sur la
>gouvenance d'internet et il ne fait pas directement partie du processus
>pr?paratoire du SMSI phase 2. Cependant, son issue sera la nomination du
>groupe de travail intergouvernemental par le Secr?taire g?n?ral).
>
>Le ministre tunisien voulait nous donner quelques informations sur quelques
>?l?ments pr?paratoire et en m?me temps nous rassurer sur le fait que son
>gouvernement veut bien la participation de la soci?t? civile dans tout le
>processus.
>
>Le premier pas sera une r?union informelle de tous les concern?s, pr?vue
>pour le 4 - 5 mars ? Tunis pour discuter des issues possibles du SMSI phase
>2. Apr?s cette r?union il y en aura une autre, plus formelle, de
>pr?paration pour la premi?re Prepcom. Les dates de cette r?union plus
>formelle ne sont pas encore fix?es, mais on a mentionn? fin avril, fin mai
>ou d?but juin. Pour la premi?re r?union il aimerait qu'au moins le Bureau
>SC participe.
>
>Mais maintenant vient le point important: la Tunisie peut aider avec toute
>l'infrastructure n?cessaire ? l'int?rieur de la Tunisie, et ils aideraient
>par exemple aussi ? mettre sur pied l'infrastructure n?cessaire pour la
>soci?t? civile si celle-ci souhaitait tenir une r?union pr?paratoire le 3
>mars pour d?velopper des strat?gies. Mais ils n'ont pas de fonds pour les
>voyages, ni la capacit? de transf?rer quoi que ce soit hors du pays pour
>permettre aux participants, y compris la soci?t? civile, de venir en
>Tunisie.
>
>Sur un autre point il m'a dit que son gouvernement allait nommer deux
>d?l?gu?s tunisiens au Secr?tariat de la SC. Lorsque j'ai demand? s'ils ne
>pourraient pas continuer ? travailler avec Alain et Louise, il m'a dit que
>oui si quelqu'un d'autre ?tait pr?t ? les financer, ce qui veut dire que si
>ceci arrivait il y aurait 4 DSC (le financement des DSC vient de s'achever
>ici le 31 janvier).
>
>En bref: la CS est la bienvenue (et en r?pondant ? ma question il a dit
>qu'elle l'est aussi avec des voix critiques), mais elle doit chercher ses
>propres moyens.
>
>Quant ? CONGO, nous allons organiser un briefing sur la phase 1 et 2 du
>SMSI sous peu. Je vous tiendrai au courant.
>
>Avec mes salutations les plus cordiales
>Renate Bloem
>Pr?sidente de la Conf?rence des ONGs (CONGO)
>________________________
>E-mail: rbloem@ngocongo.org
>Website: www.ngocongo.org
>
>
>Renate Bloem
>President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
>________________________
>Palais des Nations, E2-B
>CH-1211 Geneva 10
>Tel: +41 22 917 1881
>Fax: +41 22 917 0373
>E-mail: rbloem@ngocongo.org
>Website: www.ngocongo.org
>_________________________________________
>The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, not-for-profit
>membership association that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United
>Nations debates and decisions.  Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective is
>to ensure the presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's governments
>and United Nations agencies on issues of global concern. Our broad
>membership email-network has become a major source of information for NGOs
>active within the United Nations and seeking collaboration/partnerships with
>other NGOs of similar concerns.  For more information see our website at
>www.ngocongo.org or email congo@ngocongo.org


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From ralf.bendrath at sfb597.uni-bremen.de  Wed Feb  4 18:06:36 2004
From: ralf.bendrath at sfb597.uni-bremen.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:26 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] global events calendar for WSIS Phase 2
References: <20040203215549.77510.qmail@web60705.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <402134AC.F595CC9@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>

Hi all Francophonians,

djilali benamrane wrote:

> I tried without success to find something in French in
> the proposed site www.worldsummit2005 can you please
> advice how to access !

The site is in German and English only. 
Just some important CS documents are also documented in French and
Spanish if available. 
I am sorry, but we neither have the language skills nor the ressources
to do a french or spanish or arabic or chinese version of the site.

Regards, Ralf

From ljeffrey at ecommons.net  Wed Feb  4 18:20:07 2004
From: ljeffrey at ecommons.net (Liss Jeffrey)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] global events calendar for WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <402134AC.F595CC9@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
References: <20040203215549.77510.qmail@web60705.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040204130332.03caac90@141.117.45.50>

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From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Thu Feb  5 08:41:14 2004
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <401FE49B.3C20C62E@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
References: <E1Ao3Wq-0000K4-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
 <401FE49B.3C20C62E@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
Message-ID: <p05100315bc47af09ef7a@[192.168.1.218]>

>Hi all,
>
>have a look at this document for the ITU WSIS working group Wolfgang
>mentioned:
><http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/Geneva_04/Tunis-RoadMap.doc>
>
>It looks like there will be a twofold preparatory process:
>1. thematic (no regional) meetings and prepcoms for building concrete
>mechanisms for actions
>2. a parallel "Coordination Group" where the chart just says
>"stakeholders", for reviewing actions.
>
>Does anyone know about this "Coordination Group"? Will it be constructed
>like the ITU workshop, i.e. with limited participants (invited "key
>actors" / "experts" or whatever)? Or how else?


Would be good to know if this is just the ITU's proposal, or if more 
fixed than that. The working group meeting the document is prepared 
for is an internal ITU (member states and sector members) group.


>In general, it looks like this time there will be a heavy focus on the
>Action Plan and concrete implementation of the principles mentioned in
>the summit declaration.
>
>The themes will be much broader than just the "Internet governance" and
>"finance" issues  that have have gathered a lot of interest here and
>everywhere... Just look at the ITU stock taking attempts at
><http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/Geneva_04/stocktaking-update.doc>. They
>cover everything.
>
>In fact, the two working groups (in Internet governance and finance)
>could be a third parallel part of the process.
>
>We will have to think about:
>
>1. How do the working groups and the action plan implementation issues
>link together?
>2. How would we have to change our working structures accordingly, in
>order to be most effective and still bottom-up and inclusive?
>3. Do we want this structureat all? What else would we envisage? If we
>want to try to change this, we would have to act soon and coordinated.


Problem I see with the structure is the lack of any regional meetings.

OK, we don't know anything about the thematic meetings, if they are 
envisaged as Tunis-based, or Geneva/New York (Paris).  However, I 
think we should emphasize the importance of regional meetings and the 
diversity they enable.

My 5 yen!

Thanks,

Adam


>Just my 5 (euro)cent. ;-)
>
>Ralf
>_______________________________________________
>Plenary mailing list
>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


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From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Thu Feb  5 09:58:12 2004
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Fullsack Jean-Louis)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS Phase 2
References: <20040204092755.43422.qmail@web60708.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004701c3ebce$91ee26c0$0a00000a@default>

french below
Dear Esther, Djilali and all
I dont share Djilali's very negative point of view : a lot of our english
speaking colleagues in the WSIS CS environment are very sympathetic and some
are comprehensive about linguistic issues.
But I'd stress the fact that not naturally speaking persons have a more or
less narrow language filter that doesn't allow them to express fully their
opinion and knowledge about a given issue. So their actual expertise may not
be recognized because not understood accurately by their native
english-speaking partners. This is a second type barrier we have to face at
each meeting and each e-mail writing.
Let's hope that there will be more understanding by the largest part of our
english speaking partners, at least inside the CS !
Friendly yours
Jean-Louis Fullsack

Chers Esther, Djilali et tous
Je ne partage pas le point de vue de Djilali parce que trop n?gatif  : une
bonne partie de nos coll?gues dans l'entourage SC du SMSI sont tr?s
sympathiques et une bonne part est consciente des probl?mes linguistiques.
Je voudrais par contre souligner le fait que les personnes qui pratiquent
l'anglais en langue ?trang?re ont un filtre de langage plus ou moins large
qui ne leur permet pas d'exprimer compl?tement leur point de vue et leur
connaissance sur un sujet donn?. Ainsi, leur r?elle expertise peut ne pas
?tre reconnue car non comprise exactement par leur partenaires, anglophones
par naissance.  Cela est une barri?re de deuxi?me type ? laquelle nous
sommes confront?s ? chaque r?union et ? chaque r?daction de courriel.
Esp?rons qu'il y aura plus de compr?hension par la plus grande part de nos
partenaires anglophones, au moins ? l'int?rieur de la SC !
Amicalement
Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT


I just want to add
----- Original Message -----
From: "djilali benamrane" <dbenamrane@yahoo.com>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS Phase 2


> Dear Esther,
> Thanks for your support !
> What is incredible is as no English speaking we are
> considered as analphabet without any expertise or
> culture by our English speaking collegues and firends.
> Look below, even my translation in French is
> unreadeable thanks to the Microsoft editing softweare,
> if it is not the enrashment it look like !
> All the best
> Ch?re Esther,
> Merci pour votre appui
> Ce qui est incroyable c'est qu'en tant que non
> englophone nous sommes d?consid?s par nos coll?gues et
> amis englophones qui nous consid?re comme des
> nalphab?tes sans culture ni formation.
> Relisez ce texte en fran?ais, gr?ce ? Microsoft et son
> logiciel de taitement de texte les textes en fran?ais
> ne sont quasiment pas lisible et les accents se
> transforment en cauchemard... si ce n'est pas du
> harcellement cela lui ressemble fort.
> Bien ? vous
> Djilali
> --- Esther Joly <esther.joly@club-internet.fr> wrote:
> > J'appuie cette intervention...
> >
> > Je comprends l'anglais, l'italien... Mais je ne les
> > ?cris pas fluently :-)
> > Je suis catastrophee de l'autisme de l'usage de la
> > langue anglaise... De
> > lire les interventions de mes concitoyens en anglais
> > sans texte en
> > fran?ais... Exclusion par les langues par des
> > personnes qui disent se battre
> > pour l'inclusion...
> >
> > Esther
> >
> >
> > > De : djilali benamrane <dbenamrane@yahoo.com>
> > > R?pondre ? : plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > > Date : Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:05:41 -0800 (PST)
> > > ? : plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > > Objet : Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS
> > Phase 2
> > >
> > > Dear Ralf,
> > > It seems that things are already in progress but
> > on
> > > the same scheme that during the first phase Geneva
> > > 2003.... A little place for the so call
> > International
> > > Civile Society leaded by Major English spoken
> > > associations mainly from the North.
> > > Let's continue on this way and we will meet in
> > Tunis
> > > the same result than december 2003.
> > > Djilali
> > > Cher Raf,
> > > Il semble que les choses ?volue sur le m?me shema
> > que
> > > lors de la phase pr?paratoire du sommet de
> > gen?ve...
> > > Une toute petite place octroy?e ? la dite soci?t?
> > > civile internationale men?e par un club
> > d'associations
> > > maitrisant l'anglais et en provenance
> > essentiellement
> > > du Nord.
> > > Continuons sur la m?me voie et ne nous ?tonnons
> > pas
> > > des maigres r?sultats que nous allons avoir ?
> > Tunis en
> > > 2005.
> > > --- Ralf Bendrath
> > <ralf.bendrath@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
> > > wrote:
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> have a look at this document for the ITU WSIS
> > >> working group Wolfgang
> > >> mentioned:
> > >>
> > >
> >
> <http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/Geneva_04/Tunis-RoadMap.doc>
> > >>
> > >> It looks like there will be a twofold preparatory
> > >> process:
> > >> 1. thematic (no regional) meetings and prepcoms
> > for
> > >> building concrete
> > >> mechanisms for actions
> > >> 2. a parallel "Coordination Group" where the
> > chart
> > >> just says
> > >> "stakeholders", for reviewing actions.
> > >>
> > >> Does anyone know about this "Coordination Group"?
> > >> Will it be constructed
> > >> like the ITU workshop, i.e. with limited
> > >> participants (invited "key
> > >> actors" / "experts" or whatever)? Or how else?
> > >>
> > >> In general, it looks like this time there will be
> > a
> > >> heavy focus on the
> > >> Action Plan and concrete implementation of the
> > >> principles mentioned in
> > >> the summit declaration.
> > >>
> > >> The themes will be much broader than just the
> > >> "Internet governance" and
> > >> "finance" issues  that have have gathered a lot
> > of
> > >> interest here and
> > >> everywhere... Just look at the ITU stock taking
> > >> attempts at
> > >>
> > >
> >
> <http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/Geneva_04/stocktaking-update.doc>.
> > >> They
> > >> cover everything.
> > >>
> > >> In fact, the two working groups (in Internet
> > >> governance and finance)
> > >> could be a third parallel part of the process.
> > >>
> > >> We will have to think about:
> > >>
> > >> 1. How do the working groups and the action plan
> > >> implementation issues
> > >> link together?
> > >> 2. How would we have to change our working
> > >> structures accordingly, in
> > >> order to be most effective and still bottom-up
> > and
> > >> inclusive?
> > >> 3. Do we want this structureat all? What else
> > would
> > >> we envisage? If we
> > >> want to try to change this, we would have to act
> > >> soon and coordinated.
> > >>
> > >> Just my 5 (euro)cent. ;-)
> > >>
> > >> Ralf
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Plenary mailing list
> > >> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > >>
> > >
> >
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> > >
> > >
> > > =====
> > > Djilali Benamrane : dbenamrane@yahoo.com
> > > T?l/Fax : (331) 01 45 39 77 02 Paris - France
> > > Page web sur l'Afrique et la globalisation :
> > > http://www.multimania.com/djilalibenamrane/
> > > Groupe de discussion:
> > http://www.egroups.com/list/afriqueglobalization
> > >
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 13:56:40 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <p05100315bc47af09ef7a@[192.168.1.218]>
Message-ID: <20040205135640.71589.qmail@web60710.mail.yahoo.com>

Please see french below
Dear Adam,
Thanks to your message. We can admit thet the CS
become once again marginalized in the process.
Selection and invitation of representatives are
decided under her nose.
Agenda and contents are formatted in her absence and
after they will be officialised with her symbolic
participation.
We must react quickly and those who played a key role
in the first phase (Geneva) must act in transparency.
I take note that my preoccupation for un effort for
translating systematicly english messages in an second
language cannot be taken in consideration, in the
future, the debate will be put in other areas,
normally, the Francophonie and the French and Canadian
Government must make an effort to finance the
translation in French and idem for other languages but
anyway the race will be lost by the non english
speaking who unfortunately will stay always in late.
Let's try to find solution to your 3 questions :
1. How do the working groups and the action plan
implementation issues link together?
2. How would we have to change our working structures
accordingly, in order to be most effective and still
bottom-up and inclusive?
For this point i would like to propose to set up a new
group of 3 known CS representative to be our speaker
and make proposal in any situation and if possible to
anticipate and react to future situations. The
priority will be to find how to make information
available for non english speaking.
3. Do we want this structure at all? What else would
we envisage? If we want to try to change this, we
would have to act soon and coordinated.
For this point i would like to propose regional
meetings and especially for africa subregional
meetings as a best level to make participation larger
and more effective and with appropriate cost.
 Cher Adam,
Merci pour votre message. Nousq devrions admettre que
la société civile est en train de se marginaliser dans
le processus de preparation du sommet de Genève.
La sélection et l'ivitation de ses représentants se
font à sa barbe (même si on laisse croire qu'il s'agit
d'experts et des meilleurs parmi nous !
Le calendrier et le contenu des propositions sont
formattés à notre insu et l'on nous demandera le
moment venu de les cautionner et on dira qu'il s'agit
d'une aprticipation active de la SC au process.
Nous devrions réagit rapidement et ceux qui ont joué
un rôle déterminant dans la phase de Genève devraient
agir dans la transparence.
Pour ma part je prends note que mes préoccupations
pour que chacun d'entre nous fasse l'effort de
traduire ses messages dans une seconde langue que
l'anglais ne semble pas possible. Il faut chercher
d'autres solutions à la Francophonie et aux Gts
français et canadien d'aider à concevoir des solutions
s'ils veulent que les francophones soient partie
prenante aux débats, idem pour les arabophones, les
espanophones, les luzophones etc...
Toujours est-il que les non englophones auront
toujours plusieurs logueurs de retard.
Pour répondre a vos trois questions :
1. Comment s'articule le travail des groupes de
travail et ceux qui tentent d'opérationnaiser le plan
d'action ;
2. Comment devrions nous nous réorganiser pour être
plus proactif ?
Pour ce point je propose la mise en place d'un groupe
de 3 personnes qui seraient nos porte paroles pour
peser dans les délais sur les débats et surtout pour
faciliter l'information aux non englophones.
3. Acceptons nous la structures telle quelle ou
devrions nous la modifier pour la rendre plus
efficace, plus à m^me de corrdonner les actions 
Sur ce point et concernant les modes de concertation
je plaiderai pour les réunions régionales voire sous
régionales en Afrique pour permettre des
participations plus actives, moins couteuses et plus
rentable pour la    
--- Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >
> >have a look at this document for the ITU WSIS
> working group Wolfgang
> >mentioned:
>
><http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/Geneva_04/Tunis-RoadMap.doc>
> >
> >It looks like there will be a twofold preparatory
> process:
> >1. thematic (no regional) meetings and prepcoms for
> building concrete
> >mechanisms for actions
> >2. a parallel "Coordination Group" where the chart
> just says
> >"stakeholders", for reviewing actions.
> >
> >Does anyone know about this "Coordination Group"?
> Will it be constructed
> >like the ITU workshop, i.e. with limited
> participants (invited "key
> >actors" / "experts" or whatever)? Or how else?
> 
> 
> Would be good to know if this is just the ITU's
> proposal, or if more 
> fixed than that. The working group meeting the
> document is prepared 
> for is an internal ITU (member states and sector
> members) group.
> 
> 
> >In general, it looks like this time there will be a
> heavy focus on the
> >Action Plan and concrete implementation of the
> principles mentioned in
> >the summit declaration.
> >
> >The themes will be much broader than just the
> "Internet governance" and
> >"finance" issues  that have have gathered a lot of
> interest here and
> >everywhere... Just look at the ITU stock taking
> attempts at
>
><http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/Geneva_04/stocktaking-update.doc>.
> They
> >cover everything.
> >
> >In fact, the two working groups (in Internet
> governance and finance)
> >could be a third parallel part of the process.
> >
> >We will have to think about:
> >
> >1. How do the working groups and the action plan
> implementation issues
> >link together?
> >2. How would we have to change our working
> structures accordingly, in
> >order to be most effective and still bottom-up and
> inclusive?
> >3. Do we want this structureat all? What else would
> we envisage? If we
> >want to try to change this, we would have to act
> soon and coordinated.
> 
> 
> Problem I see with the structure is the lack of any
> regional meetings.
> 
> OK, we don't know anything about the thematic
> meetings, if they are 
> envisaged as Tunis-based, or Geneva/New York
> (Paris).  However, I 
> think we should emphasize the importance of regional
> meetings and the 
> diversity they enable.
> 
> My 5 yen!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> >Just my 5 (euro)cent. ;-)
> >
> >Ralf
> >_______________________________________________
> >Plenary mailing list
> >Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 
> 
> -- 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 13:56:43 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <p05100315bc47af09ef7a@[192.168.1.218]>
Message-ID: <20040205135643.84687.qmail@web60705.mail.yahoo.com>

Please see french below
Dear Adam,
Thanks to your message. We can admit thet the CS
become once again marginalized in the process.
Selection and invitation of representatives are
decided under her nose.
Agenda and contents are formatted in her absence and
after they will be officialised with her symbolic
participation.
We must react quickly and those who played a key role
in the first phase (Geneva) must act in transparency.
I take note that my preoccupation for un effort for
translating systematicly english messages in an second
language cannot be taken in consideration, in the
future, the debate will be put in other areas,
normally, the Francophonie and the French and Canadian
Government must make an effort to finance the
translation in French and idem for other languages but
anyway the race will be lost by the non english
speaking who unfortunately will stay always in late.
Let's try to find solution to your 3 questions :
1. How do the working groups and the action plan
implementation issues link together?
2. How would we have to change our working structures
accordingly, in order to be most effective and still
bottom-up and inclusive?
For this point i would like to propose to set up a new
group of 3 known CS representative to be our speaker
and make proposal in any situation and if possible to
anticipate and react to future situations. The
priority will be to find how to make information
available for non english speaking.
3. Do we want this structure at all? What else would
we envisage? If we want to try to change this, we
would have to act soon and coordinated.
For this point i would like to propose regional
meetings and especially for africa subregional
meetings as a best level to make participation larger
and more effective and with appropriate cost.
 Cher Adam,
Merci pour votre message. Nousq devrions admettre que
la société civile est en train de se marginaliser dans
le processus de preparation du sommet de Genève.
La sélection et l'ivitation de ses représentants se
font à sa barbe (même si on laisse croire qu'il s'agit
d'experts et des meilleurs parmi nous !
Le calendrier et le contenu des propositions sont
formattés à notre insu et l'on nous demandera le
moment venu de les cautionner et on dira qu'il s'agit
d'une aprticipation active de la SC au process.
Nous devrions réagit rapidement et ceux qui ont joué
un rôle déterminant dans la phase de Genève devraient
agir dans la transparence.
Pour ma part je prends note que mes préoccupations
pour que chacun d'entre nous fasse l'effort de
traduire ses messages dans une seconde langue que
l'anglais ne semble pas possible. Il faut chercher
d'autres solutions à la Francophonie et aux Gts
français et canadien d'aider à concevoir des solutions
s'ils veulent que les francophones soient partie
prenante aux débats, idem pour les arabophones, les
espanophones, les luzophones etc...
Toujours est-il que les non englophones auront
toujours plusieurs logueurs de retard.
Pour répondre a vos trois questions :
1. Comment s'articule le travail des groupes de
travail et ceux qui tentent d'opérationnaiser le plan
d'action ;
2. Comment devrions nous nous réorganiser pour être
plus proactif ?
Pour ce point je propose la mise en place d'un groupe
de 3 personnes qui seraient nos porte paroles pour
peser dans les délais sur les débats et surtout pour
faciliter l'information aux non englophones.
3. Acceptons nous la structures telle quelle ou
devrions nous la modifier pour la rendre plus
efficace, plus à m^me de corrdonner les actions 
Sur ce point et concernant les modes de concertation
je plaiderai pour les réunions régionales voire sous
régionales en Afrique pour permettre des
participations plus actives, moins couteuses et plus
rentable pour la    
--- Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >
> >have a look at this document for the ITU WSIS
> working group Wolfgang
> >mentioned:
>
><http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/Geneva_04/Tunis-RoadMap.doc>
> >
> >It looks like there will be a twofold preparatory
> process:
> >1. thematic (no regional) meetings and prepcoms for
> building concrete
> >mechanisms for actions
> >2. a parallel "Coordination Group" where the chart
> just says
> >"stakeholders", for reviewing actions.
> >
> >Does anyone know about this "Coordination Group"?
> Will it be constructed
> >like the ITU workshop, i.e. with limited
> participants (invited "key
> >actors" / "experts" or whatever)? Or how else?
> 
> 
> Would be good to know if this is just the ITU's
> proposal, or if more 
> fixed than that. The working group meeting the
> document is prepared 
> for is an internal ITU (member states and sector
> members) group.
> 
> 
> >In general, it looks like this time there will be a
> heavy focus on the
> >Action Plan and concrete implementation of the
> principles mentioned in
> >the summit declaration.
> >
> >The themes will be much broader than just the
> "Internet governance" and
> >"finance" issues  that have have gathered a lot of
> interest here and
> >everywhere... Just look at the ITU stock taking
> attempts at
>
><http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/Geneva_04/stocktaking-update.doc>.
> They
> >cover everything.
> >
> >In fact, the two working groups (in Internet
> governance and finance)
> >could be a third parallel part of the process.
> >
> >We will have to think about:
> >
> >1. How do the working groups and the action plan
> implementation issues
> >link together?
> >2. How would we have to change our working
> structures accordingly, in
> >order to be most effective and still bottom-up and
> inclusive?
> >3. Do we want this structureat all? What else would
> we envisage? If we
> >want to try to change this, we would have to act
> soon and coordinated.
> 
> 
> Problem I see with the structure is the lack of any
> regional meetings.
> 
> OK, we don't know anything about the thematic
> meetings, if they are 
> envisaged as Tunis-based, or Geneva/New York
> (Paris).  However, I 
> think we should emphasize the importance of regional
> meetings and the 
> diversity they enable.
> 
> My 5 yen!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> >Just my 5 (euro)cent. ;-)
> >
> >Ralf
> >_______________________________________________
> >Plenary mailing list
> >Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 
> 
> -- 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary



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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 14:11:37 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <004701c3ebce$91ee26c0$0a00000a@default>
Message-ID: <20040205141137.30105.qmail@web60707.mail.yahoo.com>

Jean Louis,
I accept without problem you appreciation.
I understand that the problem is not at the level of
our english speaking colleages who are cool, you know
them better that i do and i trust your appreciation.
Let's find a solution to the lunguage divide which is
a precondition to the success of a real participation
of CS.
Jean Louis
J'accepte sans problème ton appreciation.
Je comprends que le problème n'est pas au niveau de
nos collègues anglophone qui sont trés bien et je te
concède que tu les connais mieux que moi. Alors
trouvons une solution à cette fracture lunguistique
qui ménalise les non englophones et qui constitue un
prérequis pour le succès de l'entreprise et de la
qualité de la participation de la SC
Amitiés
Djilali
--- Fullsack Jean-Louis <jlfullsack@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> french below
> Dear Esther, Djilali and all
> I dont share Djilali's very negative point of view :
> a lot of our english
> speaking colleagues in the WSIS CS environment are
> very sympathetic and some
> are comprehensive about linguistic issues.
> But I'd stress the fact that not naturally speaking
> persons have a more or
> less narrow language filter that doesn't allow them
> to express fully their
> opinion and knowledge about a given issue. So their
> actual expertise may not
> be recognized because not understood accurately by
> their native
> english-speaking partners. This is a second type
> barrier we have to face at
> each meeting and each e-mail writing.
> Let's hope that there will be more understanding by
> the largest part of our
> english speaking partners, at least inside the CS !
> Friendly yours
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> 
> Chers Esther, Djilali et tous
> Je ne partage pas le point de vue de Djilali parce
> que trop négatif  : une
> bonne partie de nos collègues dans l'entourage SC du
> SMSI sont très
> sympathiques et une bonne part est consciente des
> problèmes linguistiques.
> Je voudrais par contre souligner le fait que les
> personnes qui pratiquent
> l'anglais en langue étrangère ont un filtre de
> langage plus ou moins large
> qui ne leur permet pas d'exprimer complètement leur
> point de vue et leur
> connaissance sur un sujet donné. Ainsi, leur réelle
> expertise peut ne pas
> être reconnue car non comprise exactement par leur
> partenaires, anglophones
> par naissance.  Cela est une barrière de deuxième
> type à laquelle nous
> sommes confrontés à chaque réunion et à chaque
> rédaction de courriel.
> Espérons qu'il y aura plus de compréhension par la
> plus grande part de nos
> partenaires anglophones, au moins à l'intérieur de
> la SC !
> Amicalement
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> CSDPTT
> 
> 
> I just want to add
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "djilali benamrane" <dbenamrane@yahoo.com>
> To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 10:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS
> Phase 2
> 
> 
> > Dear Esther,
> > Thanks for your support !
> > What is incredible is as no English speaking we
> are
> > considered as analphabet without any expertise or
> > culture by our English speaking collegues and
> firends.
> > Look below, even my translation in French is
> > unreadeable thanks to the Microsoft editing
> softweare,
> > if it is not the enrashment it look like !
> > All the best
> > Chère Esther,
> > Merci pour votre appui
> > Ce qui est incroyable c'est qu'en tant que non
> > englophone nous sommes déconsidés par nos
> collègues et
> > amis englophones qui nous considère comme des
> > nalphabètes sans culture ni formation.
> > Relisez ce texte en français, grâce à Microsoft et
> son
> > logiciel de taitement de texte les textes en
> français
> > ne sont quasiment pas lisible et les accents se
> > transforment en cauchemard... si ce n'est pas du
> > harcellement cela lui ressemble fort.
> > Bien à vous
> > Djilali
> > --- Esther Joly <esther.joly@club-internet.fr>
> wrote:
> > > J'appuie cette intervention...
> > >
> > > Je comprends l'anglais, l'italien... Mais je ne
> les
> > > écris pas fluently :-)
> > > Je suis catastrophee de l'autisme de l'usage de
> la
> > > langue anglaise... De
> > > lire les interventions de mes concitoyens en
> anglais
> > > sans texte en
> > > français... Exclusion par les langues par des
> > > personnes qui disent se battre
> > > pour l'inclusion...
> > >
> > > Esther
> > >
> > >
> > > > De : djilali benamrane <dbenamrane@yahoo.com>
> > > > Répondre à : plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > > > Date : Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:05:41 -0800 (PST)
> > > > À : plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > > > Objet : Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of
> WSIS
> > > Phase 2
> > > >
> > > > Dear Ralf,
> > > > It seems that things are already in progress
> but
> > > on
> > > > the same scheme that during the first phase
> Geneva
> > > > 2003.... A little place for the so call
> > > International
> > > > Civile Society leaded by Major English spoken
> > > > associations mainly from the North.
> > > > Let's continue on this way and we will meet in
> > > Tunis
> > > > the same result than december 2003.
> > > > Djilali
> > > > Cher Raf,
> > > > Il semble que les choses ?volue sur le m?me
> shema
> > > que
> > > > lors de la phase pr?paratoire du sommet de
> > > gen?ve...
> > > > Une toute petite place octroy?e ? la dite
> soci?t?
> > > > civile internationale men?e par un club
> > > d'associations
> > > > maitrisant l'anglais et en provenance
> > > essentiellement
> > > > du Nord.
> > > > Continuons sur la m?me voie et ne nous
> ?tonnons
> > > pas
> > > > des maigres r?sultats que nous allons avoir ?
> > > Tunis en
> > > > 2005.
> > > > --- Ralf Bendrath
> > > <ralf.bendrath@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> Hi all,
> > > >>
> > > >> have a look at this document for the ITU WSIS
> > > >> working group Wolfgang
> > > >> mentioned:
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
<http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/Geneva_04/Tunis-RoadMap.doc>
> > > >>
> > > >> It looks like there will be a twofold
> preparatory
> > > >> process:
> > > >> 1. thematic (no regional) meetings and
> prepcoms
> > > for
> > > >> building concrete
> > > >> mechanisms for actions
> > > >> 2. a parallel "Coordination Group" where the
> > > chart
> > > >> just says
> > > >> "stakeholders", for reviewing actions.
> > > >>
> > > >> Does anyone know about this "Coordination
> Group"?
> > > >> Will it be constructed
> > > >> like the ITU workshop, i.e. with limited
> > > >> participants (invited "key
> > > >> actors" / "experts" or whatever)? Or how
> else?
> > > >>
> > > >> In general, it looks like this time there
> will be
> > > a
> > > >> heavy focus on the
> > > >> Action Plan and concrete implementation of
> the
> > > >> principles mentioned in
> > > >> the summit declaration.
> > > >>
> > > >> The themes will be much broader than just the
> > > >> "Internet governance" and
> > > >> "finance" issues  that have have gathered a
> lot
> > > of
> 
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 14:17:33 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] global events calendar for WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <402134AC.F595CC9@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
Message-ID: <20040205141733.25114.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com>

Falf
Thanks. Congratulation i really appreciate your
website in English and German.
Let's try to do something similar 
We have as non English and non german speaking to try
to promomote Franch, arabic, spanish, portuguese
etc... websites with similar contents.
all the Best
Djilali
--- Ralf Bendrath <ralf.bendrath@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
wrote:
> Hi all Francophonians,
> 
> djilali benamrane wrote:
> 
> > I tried without success to find something in
> French in
> > the proposed site www.worldsummit2005 can you
> please
> > advice how to access !
> 
> The site is in German and English only. 
> Just some important CS documents are also documented
> in French and
> Spanish if available. 
> I am sorry, but we neither have the language skills
> nor the ressources
> to do a french or spanish or arabic or chinese
> version of the site.
> 
> Regards, Ralf
> _______________________________________________
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 14:30:09 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] global events calendar for WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040204130332.03caac90@141.117.45.50>
Message-ID: <20040205143009.29482.qmail@web60708.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Liss
Can you please tell us if you and your networking can
do to give to african CS own capacity tp express
directly her preoccupation ? The Tunis Summit will be
held in Africa and the African CS should be
represented daocraticly and lot selected by Govenments
or by donors.
All the best
Djilali
Cher Liss
Pouvez vous nous dire ce que vous ou votre réseau
pouvez faire pour contribuer à ce que la société
civile africaine puisse avoir les moyens de son
expression indépendante ? Le Sommet tunisien se
tiendra en terre africaine et la société civile
devrait être représentée sans dépendance à l'égard des
gouvernements et encore moins des bailleurs de fonds.
Bien à vous
Djilali

--- Liss Jeffrey <ljeffrey@ecommons.net> wrote:
> 
> Hey all:
> I think this is a really important issue.
> 
> At the national level, our Canadian civil society
> site on WSIS-SMSI, is 
> currently bilingual, meaning that we include french
> and english information 
> as we get it,
> and have a francophone team (mainly based in
> Montreal at the moment) that 
> is working to add resources,
> and ensure that our discussions are accessible to
> both linguistic 
> constituencies.
> We do not have the resources to translate
> everything, but are making best 
> efforts to communicate in both languages in a timely
> manner.
> All official docs in that web site are in both
> languages.
> 
> http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca
> http://wsis.ecommons.ca
> 
> Our challenge now is to find ways to integrate
> languages beyond English and 
> French.
> ===============
> There is also the GCN French Spanish English site
> that features global 
> community network information on wsis - smsi:
> · http://www.globalcn.org/fr/accueil.ntd?sort=1.10
> 
> et aussi autres liens utiles :
> ·       ·       La Commission canadienne pour
> l'UNESCO site Web.
> ·       ·       SMSI - Sommet Mondial sur la Société
> de l'Information site 
> Web officiel.
> ·       ·       Le Canada au sommet mondial sur la
> société de l'information.
> ·       ·       UNESCO et le Sommet Mondial sur la
> Société de l'Information.
> ·       ·       Le document du secrétariat du
> Conseil de l'Europe, la 
> "démocratie, droits de l'homme, et prééminence du
> droit dans la société de 
> l'information.
> 
> I am really interested now in discovering how the
> "official" civil society 
> which emerged strengthened and confident from Geneva
> (and bravo from here 
> for that significant accomplishment) will now
> include the national, local, 
> linguistically and culturally diverse groups and
> individuals who wish to 
> become involved in the move on to Tunis, and want to
> stay informed, and to 
> inform, but who are not necessarily part of the
> current inner circle. Are 
> discussions taking place on this, do we have a plan,
> or is the assumption 
> that this has been addressed and if so where?
> 
> Salut
> Liss Jeffrey,
> eCommons/agora
> Canada
> www.ecommons.net
> 
> At 07:06 PM 04/02/2004 +0100, Ralf Bendrath wrote:
> 
> >Hi all Francophonians,
> >
> >djilali benamrane wrote:
> >
> > > I tried without success to find something in
> French in
> > > the proposed site www.worldsummit2005 can you
> please
> > > advice how to access !
> >
> >The site is in German and English only.
> >Just some important CS documents are also
> documented in French and
> >Spanish if available.
> >I am sorry, but we neither have the language skills
> nor the ressources
> >to do a french or spanish or arabic or chinese
> version of the site.
> >
> >Regards, Ralf
> >_______________________________________________
> >Plenary mailing list
> >Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> >
> >
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From Drossou at BOELL.DE  Thu Feb  5 15:53:36 2004
From: Drossou at BOELL.DE (Drossou Olga)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: Antw: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS Phase 2
Message-ID: <s0227518.018@BOELL.DE>

Hi all,

Adam wrote:
>Problem I see with the structure is the lack of any regional
meetings... 
>However, I think we should emphasize the importance of regional 
>meetings and the diversity they enable.

That's a good point, Adam. 
CS should plead for more "regionalism" in the preparatory process.
Regional meetings are easier accessible for CS participants and from
many points of view more useful for strengthening regional cooperation
and effective intervention. The given regional caucus structure in the
CS-Bureau should be further developed to serve as facilitator
negotiating the terms for CS particiaption in these meetings. 

my x cents..
Thanks,
Olga


>Just my 5 (euro)cent. ;-)
>
>Ralf
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From ljeffrey at ecommons.net  Thu Feb  5 16:28:56 2004
From: ljeffrey at ecommons.net (Liss Jeffrey)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: Antw: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <s0227518.018@BOELL.DE>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040205111903.03d4d9a0@141.117.45.50>


FYI
In Canada, at our well-attended debriefing of Wsis in Ottawa, hosted by 
Canadian Commission for Unesco on February 23, there was support for 
holding local events and possibly a Canadian Summit prior to Tunis. We will 
be discussing these prospects today in Toronto (http://wsis.ecommons.ca), 
in Montreal later this month (February 19), in Winnipeg in early June, and 
will advise of other sessions via this list and all are welcome to post 
Canada-relevant events in the web calendar.
I will write up that Ottawa debriefing following our session today where 
(Liss Jeffrey, Andrew Clement - CPSR, Leslie Chan - Science, David Mason - 
free and open source, C4LD) will all be on our panel discussion of 
Wsis-Smsi from a civil society perspective.
At Marc Raboy's suggestion, we plan to ask the Canadian government to 
support the idea of confirming the CS credentials from Geneva for Tunis. 
Some of us also feel strongly that groups and citizens who know nothing so 
far of the process should now be included in information sessions, and in 
action plans, monitoring and implementation. We intend to keep building our 
web resource to support these initiatives.
Liss J



At 04:53 PM 05/02/2004 +0100, you wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>Adam wrote:
> >Problem I see with the structure is the lack of any regional
>meetings...
> >However, I think we should emphasize the importance of regional
> >meetings and the diversity they enable.
>
>That's a good point, Adam.
>CS should plead for more "regionalism" in the preparatory process.
>Regional meetings are easier accessible for CS participants and from
>many points of view more useful for strengthening regional cooperation
>and effective intervention. The given regional caucus structure in the
>CS-Bureau should be further developed to serve as facilitator
>negotiating the terms for CS particiaption in these meetings.
>
>my x cents..
>Thanks,
>Olga
>
>
> >Just my 5 (euro)cent. ;-)
> >
> >Ralf
> >_______________________________________________
> >Plenary mailing list
> >Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>
>
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From amalidesilva at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 17:57:17 2004
From: amalidesilva at yahoo.com (Amali De Silva)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Demand 5 Action PLan - 2004 Seed Grant and Small Innovative Projects Fund (SGSIP Fund)
In-Reply-To: <200402041201973.SM03548@cfpop.cfhosting.net>
Message-ID: <20040205175717.81477.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com>

Opportunity for "DEMAND 5 - ACTION PLAN "

i.e. 5 computers for CS at national levels

Amali ( VCN ) 

--- gkps@gkpsecretariat.org.my wrote:

---------------------------------
												2004 Seed Grant and Small Innovative
Projects Fund (SGSIP Fund)
Announcement

The Global Knowledge Partnership (GKP) is pleased to
announce its Seed Grant and Small Innovative Projects
Fund (SGSIP Fund) for the year 2004. Supported by the
Swiss Agency for Development and Cooperation (SDC),
GKP invites Letters of Inquiry for pilot projects or
from new or ongoing small-scale initiatives, between
US$10,000 to US$15,000, with a focus on developing
countries. Priority will be given to small or
locally-based organizations.

For ongoing small-scale initiatives, proposed projects
can be limited to the identification and development
of specific project components deemed urgent to
complement or strengthen efforts to achieve the
overall project's original objectives.

Projects proposed are expected to contribute to the
achievement of one or both of the following
objectives:

1.      Facilitate innovation using ICTs from the
ground-up to further strengthen and promote the growth
and maturity of civil society participation in the
Information Society. 

2.      Promote and facilitate the fertilization of
multi-stakeholder partnerships for the upscaling
and/or replication of small-scale and community-based
initiatives.

DEADLINE: Letters of Inquiry are invited from now
until 29th February 2003. Proposals will only be
invited for submission based on Letters of Inquiry
received and the suitability of the project proposed.
Letters of Inquiry will be evaluated on a case-to-case
basis and decisions are expected to be made within a
maximum time-frame of one month after the deadline. To
submit your Letter of Inquiry, please complete the
online form. Proposal guidelines will only be provided
to those invited to submit their full proposals
(Request for Proposal).

For more information, please visit the GKP portal at
http://www.globalknowledge.org  An online form to
submit your Letter of Inquiry is also available on the
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From rguerra at cpsr.org  Thu Feb  5 23:22:56 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Invitation to join WSIS community on orkut.com
Message-ID: <2147483647.1076005376@[192.168.0.56]>

I'd like to take this opportunity to invite those on the list to join 
other collegues and myself on the WSIS community which has recently been 
created on orkut.com.

To join, Orkut you might need an invitation. if that's the case - email 
me privately and i'll send you one.

Regards,

Robert Guerra



To join 'WSIS', click on the link below::
http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=8437&cmd=add

From rkoven at compuserve.com  Fri Feb  6 00:38:51 2004
From: rkoven at compuserve.com (Ronald Koven)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Invitation to join WSIS community on
  orkut.com
Message-ID: <200402051939_MC3-1-6D36-E9C8@compuserve.com>

Dear Robert --

Please tell us what is Orkut ?

Thanks.

Best, Rony Koven

From rguerra at cpsr.org  Fri Feb  6 01:05:43 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Invitation to join WSIS community on 
 orkut.com
In-Reply-To: <200402051939_MC3-1-6D36-E9C8@compuserve.com>
References: <200402051939_MC3-1-6D36-E9C8@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <2147483647.1076011543@[192.168.0.56]>

 What's Orkut.com?


 orkut.com is an online community website designed for friends. The main 
goal of our service is to make your social life, and that of your 
friends, more active and stimulating. orkut's social network can help 
you both maintain existing relationships as well as establish new ones 
by reaching out to people you've never met before. Who you interact with 
is entirely up to you. Before getting to know an orkut member, you can 
even see how they're connecting to you through the friends network.

 orkut makes it easy to find people who share your hobbies and 
interests, look for romantic connections or establish new business 
contacts. You can also create and join a wide variety of online 
communities to discuss current events, reconnect with old college 
buddies or even exchange cookie recipes.

 To join orkut, simply click on the link in the email you received and 
follow the instructions for creating a user name and password. If orkut 
doesn't sound like it's for you, feel free to delete your invitation. If 
you change your mind in the future, don't worry! We'll still be here at 
www.orkut.com.

 It is our mission to help you create a closer, more intimate network of 
friends. We hope to put you on the path to social bliss soon


From sean at aitecafrica.com  Wed Feb  4 10:31:23 2004
From: sean at aitecafrica.com (Sean Moroney)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [idlelo] African ICT events Calendar/ Calendrier africain des evenements TIC
References: <20040203134102.69200.qmail@web10904.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <057e01c3eb0b$7c345d40$0200a8c0@toshibauser>

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From zielinskic at who.int  Fri Feb  6 07:33:51 2004
From: zielinskic at who.int (zielinskic@who.int)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Invitation to join WSIS community on orkut.
	com
Message-ID: <500752877A5A1440BA50AB3292372F9D01165E7A@whqkaki01.who.int>

Robert,

Hi. I'd like to join, but you need a personal invitation in the form of a
customised URL, it seems. Could you provide that? I tried contacting you off
list, but you iprolink server bounces - hence this public request. Feel free
to respond off-list.

Chris Zielinski 
STP AHSPR-RPC/EIP 
World Health Organization 
Avenue Appia, CH1211, Geneva, Switzerland 
Office: 004122-7914435 Home: 004122-3100551 Mobile: 0044-7971045354


-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of Robert Guerra
Sent: Friday, 6 February 2004 00:23
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Invitation to join WSIS community on
orkut.com


I'd like to take this opportunity to invite those on the list to join 
other collegues and myself on the WSIS community which has recently been 
created on orkut.com.

To join, Orkut you might need an invitation. if that's the case - email 
me privately and i'll send you one.

Regards,

Robert Guerra



To join 'WSIS', click on the link below::
http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=8437&cmd=add
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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Fri Feb  6 11:42:24 2004
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Privacy and orkut.com
In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1076005376@[192.168.0.56]>
References: <2147483647.1076005376@[192.168.0.56]>
Message-ID: <40237DA0.404@bertola.eu.org>

Robert Guerra ha scritto:
> I'd like to take this opportunity to invite those on the list to join 
> other collegues and myself on the WSIS community which has recently been 
> created on orkut.com.

Hi,

thanks for your invitation, which, I'm absolutely sure, is being made in 
good faith.

However, I'd like to point out that there are certain aspects of the 
orkut.com service that are completely unclear, and make me beware of 
providing any of my personal information to it.

First of all, as you may discover that Orkut is a service by Google - even 
if, at this stage, this is kept as less evident as possible. You will only 
find a very tiny sign "in affiliation with Google", written in blue over 
light blue, at the bottom of the page.

(A more detailed story at http://news.com.com/2100-1026_3-5146006.html)

Now, generally speaking, I would be very worried by any organization, for 
example a government, getting to know in detail and in electronic form not 
just my personal data, but even my interests and my network of friends.

But I'd be even more worried if these data went into the hands of a 
commercial company.

And I'd be more and more worried if this service was based in the United 
States, given the very low level of protection to personal privacy offered 
by their legislation (at least if compared to the EU).

I mean, we have been complaining hardly because the WSIS organizers, which 
are non-commercial and well respected international organizations, were 
using a security system that *might* have been used to track down our 
social relationships - and now we're willing to provide the same 
information, with our own hands and verified by us, to a commercial website?!?

Now, orkut.com has terms of contract and a privacy policy:

http://www.orkut.com/privacy.html
http://www.orkut.com/terms.html

which say:

"We may share both personally identifiable information about you and 
aggregate usage information that we collect with Google Inc. and agents of 
orkut in accordance to the terms and conditions of this Privacy Policy. We 
will never rent, sell, or share your personal information with any third 
party for marketing purposes without your express permission."

So, it says they won't share your info for marketing purposes *with any 
third party*, but it also says that they may give it to Google and to 
not-better-specified "agents of orkut". Including people who might try to 
sell you stuff, I guess. Or to watch your personal connections.

And the terms also say that they will give information about you to any 
U.S. entity legally entitled to have it, including the U.S. government 
agencies - the same ones which enforce the DMCA or the Patriot Act, I presume.

So, please, don't misunderstand this message. I'm not an anti-american 
paranoid who sees Echelons everywhere - nor I think that the whole thing 
*certainly* is an attempt to collect personal data for marketing purposes 
or to track down people's opinions.

But, honestly, why would a big American corporation in pre-IPO stage such 
as Google spend big money to offer a service like this for free to 
millions of people? Just to propagate friendship and peace among the 
Internet? You know, that's not the kind of argument that convinces bankers 
when they have to buy your shares, even if of a very peculiar company like 
Google. So either they're completely crazy, or they're planning to make 
some kind of revenues by exploiting the personal data they collect.

And, if we believe in what we wrote in our own Declaration, I don't think 
we should be helping them. As other, better people already said, the big 
problem with privacy is not how to preserve privacy for those few who ask 
for it - it is how to convince those who do not value it about its 
importance. Let's not start by underestimating its value by ourselves.
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From marzouki at ras.eu.org  Fri Feb  6 11:49:26 2004
From: marzouki at ras.eu.org (Meryem Marzouki)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?FREEDOM_FOR/APPEL_POUR_LA_LIB=C9RATION_DE_KHAWAR_?=
 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?MEHDI_RIZVI__?=
Message-ID: <83CBA61F-589A-11D8-B919-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org>

Dear all, chers tous,

Speaking of "information society", please find hereafter a call to free 
KHAWAR MEHDI RIZVI, a Pakistani journalist. Signatures can be made at: 
http://www.freekhawar.org/
? propos de "soci?t? de l'information", veuillez trouver ci-dessous 
l'appel pour la lib?ration de KHAWAR MEHDI RIZVI, journaliste 
pakistanais. On peut signer ?: http://www.freekhawar.org/

Meryem
======
FREEDOM FOR KHAWAR MEHDI RIZWI

A Pakistani journalist named Khawar Mehdi Rizwi disappeared on December 
16th 2003. The same day, two French reporters whom he was working with 
? reporter Marc Epstein and photographer Jean-Paul Guilloteau, from the 
weekly newsmagazine L'Express ? were arrested in Karachi. Both men were 
accused of travelling to the Afghanistan border area without proper 
authorization. Along with Khawar, they had been investigating taleban 
activity in the region in the days leading up to their arrest.

The French journalists spent 8 days in a Karachi jail and returned to 
France on January 14th 2003, a month after their initial arrest. In the 
interval, they were sentenced to 6 months in prison. After filing an 
appeal in the Sindh High Court the jail sentence was repealed and they 
were ordered to pay a large fine. Both were charged for a simple 
administrative error: they were guilty of travelling to an area 
off-limits according to the restrictive visas delivered by Pakistani 
authorities to visiting reporters. Strong diplomatic pressure from the 
French government led to their relase.

During their ordeal, there was no news of Khawar Mehdi Rizvi. Concerned 
about his whereabouts, his brother filed a petition for habeas corpus. 
Over a 40 day period, the Pakistan authorities denied detaining Khawar, 
despite the fact that he was paraded several times on Pakistan State 
television surrounded by policemen!

In its reports, Pakistan TV accused him of having ?fabricated a fake 
video documentary? with the aim of damaging the country?s image. Both 
French journalists formally deny this: ?I made the video pictures 
myself for the web site of L?Express?, explained Marc Epstein, a 
frequent visitor to Pakistan who has worked on the magazine?s foreign 
desk since 1989. ?I filmed them near the border with the magazine?s 
camera and on my own initiative. They show real taleban, including a 
man who was later identified as a third-level local taleban commander 
by a Western intelligence agency.?

Sunday January 25th, two days after the Pakistani president, general 
Pervez Musharraf was asked live on CNN about Khawar?s whereabouts, the 
reporter was suddenly ?found? in a police station in Quetta (in western 
Pakistan). ?I am really mentally tired and suffered a lot?, he told 
reporters. ?Today I saw the sky after weeks in police custody.?

Khawar has been charged with ?sedition? and ?conspiracy? under Article 
124-A of the criminal code, which carries a maximum penalty of life 
imprisonment. Yet his only crime was to perform his job as a fixer 
(translator and guide) for the reporters of L?Express. His French 
colleagues are campaigning for his immediate release.

Over the past few years, Khawar Mehdi Rizwi has worked extensively for 
the Western media (The New York Times, The Chicago Tribune, Le Monde, 
Lib?ration, L'Express TF1, France 2, France 3, Arte, Radio France 
Internationale, ?). Several reports he contributed to have received 
journalism prizes for their excellence.

Only a person who has never met Khawar could think him capable of 
fabricating ?a fake documentary on fake taliban in a fake training 
camp?, as Pakistan television would have us believe. He is a patriot. 
In the months that followed the attacks on September 11th, he was 
unhappy with the way some Western journalists were portraying his 
country : ?The foreign media does not always reflect the diversity of 
opinion that exists here in Pakistan?, he said. ?Extremists are a small 
minority.?

Khawar is also active in charity work and has helped set up in Peshawar 
a hospital open to destitute children, the Aziza Health Care Centre.

The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, Reporters Without Borders, 
Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the Committee to Protect 
Journalists (CPJ) and others have come to his support. The French 
Foreign Affairs Ministry, the State Department in Washington and the US 
Ambassador to Pakistan have all expressed their concern.

Khawar is being charged at a particularly bad time for the freedom of 
the press in Pakistan. Several local journalists have been arrested or 
intimidated recently, despite protests from human rights organizations.

As a Pakistani citizen, Khawar Mehdi Rizwi has not violated any law by 
going to the border area. If there is proof of his implication in an 
illegal activity, let it be produced in a court of law. But if no such 
proof exists, we demand his immediate release.
=========
APPEL POUR LA LIB?RATION
DE KHAWAR MEHDI RIZVI

Un journaliste pakistanais, Khawar Mehdi Rizvi, a disparu le 16 
d?cembre 2003. Ce jour-l?, deux journalistes fran?ais avec lesquels il 
travaillait -- Marc EPSTEIN et Jean-Paul GUILLOTEAU, de l'hebdomadaire 
L'EXPRESS -- ont ?t? arr?t?s pour s'?tre rendus sans autorisation dans 
la zone frontali?re avec l'Afghanistan. Ensemble, les trois hommes 
enqu?taient sur l'activit? des talibans dans la r?gion.

Les deux journalistes fran?ais, qui ont pass? 8 jours en prison en 
d?cembre, ont regagn? la France le 14 janvier 2003 apr?s avoir ?t? 
condamn?s dans un premier temps ? 6 mois de prison puis, en appel, ? 
une simple amende. Une simple faute administrative leur ?tait reproch? 
: ils se sont rendus dans des r?gions o? le visa de presse restrictif 
d?livr? par les autorit?s ne leur permettaient pas d'aller. Les 
pressions diplomatiques de la France expliquent largement ce d?nouement 
heureux.

Pendant ce temps-l?, on restait sans nouvelles de Khawar Mehdi Rizvi.

Inquiet, son fr?re a introduit une action en justice. Quarante jours 
durant, les autorit?s pakistanaises ont ni? qu'elles d?tenaient le 
journaliste, alors m?me que Khawar ?tait parad? devant les cam?ras de 
la t?l?vision d'Etat, entour? de policiers !

Dans ses reportages, la t?l?vision accusait Khawar, ainsi que les deux 
envoy?s sp?ciaux de L'Express, d'avoir fabriqu? " un faux reportage ", 
destin? ? ternir l'image du pays. Les journalistes fran?ais le nient 
cat?goriquement : " Ces images ?taient destin?es au site web de 
L'Express, explique Marc Epstein, grand reporter ? l'hebdomadaire 
depuis 1989 et familier du Pakistan. Je les ai film?es dans la zone 
frontali?re, avec la cam?ra vid?o de mon journal et ? mon initiative. 
Elles montrent de vrais talibans, dont le commandant local a ?t? d?ment 
identifi? par une agence de contre-espionnage occidentale. "

Dimanche 25 janvier, enfin, 48 heures apr?s que le pr?sident du 
Pakistan, le g?n?ral Pervez Moucharraf, ait ?t? interrog? par CNN sur 
le sort de Khawar Mehdi Rizvi, ce dernier a enfin ?t? " localis? " dans 
un poste de police de Quetta (ouest du pays). Selon nos informations, 
il a ?t? maltrait? pendant sa mise au secret. Lors d'une br?ve 
rencontre avec un journaliste, il a d?clar? : " Je suis mentalement 
tr?s fatigu?. J'ai beaucoup souffert et aujourd'hui je vois le ciel 
pour la premi?re fois apr?s des semaines de garde ? vue. "

Khawar est accus? de " s?dition " et de conspiration contre l'Etat. Il 
risque la prison ? vie. Mais son seul crime est d'avoir fait son 
travail de journaliste, comme guide-interpr?te aupr?s des envoy?s 
sp?ciaux de L'Express. Ces derniers m?nent campagne pour sa lib?ration 
imm?diate.

Depuis de nombreuses ann?es, Khawar a souvent collabor? avec des 
journalistes de la presse internationale (TF1, France 2, France 3, 
Arte, RFI, Le Monde, Lib?ration, L'Express, mais aussi The New York 
Times, Chicago Tribune?) Plusieurs de ces reportages ont obtenu des 
prix, en raison de leur qualit? remarquable.

Seuls ceux qui n'ont jamais rencontr? Khawar le croient capable de 
fabriquer un " faux documentaire ? l'aide de faux talibans, dans un 
faux camp d'entra?nement ", selon la version de la t?l?vision d'Etat 
pakistanaise. C'est un patriote, au contraire. Dans les mois qui ont 
suivi les attentats du 11 septembre 2001, il se plaignait am?rement de 
l'image que les journalistes occidentaux donnaient de son pays : " Les 
m?dias ?trangers ne refl?tent pas la diversit? des opinions au 
Pakistan, disait-il. Les extr?mistes sont tr?s minoritaires. "

Khawar est ?galement actif dans des ?uvres caritatives. Il a particip?, 
en particulier, ? la fondation d'un h?pital destin? aux enfants d?munis 
: le Aziza Health Care Centre

La Commission Pakistanaise des droits de l'Homme, Reporters sans 
Fronti?res, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, le Committee to 
Protect Journalists (CPJ, Etats-Unis) et d'autres ont adopt? la cause 
de Khawar. Apr?s le minist?re des Affaires ?trang?res en France, le 
d?partement d'Etat ? Washington et l'ambassadeur des Etats-Unis ? 
Islamabad ont publiquement fait part de leur inqui?tude quant ? son 
sort.

Son inculpation intervient dans un contexte de r?pression contre la 
presse pakistanaise. Plusieurs cas d'arrestations de journalistes 
locaux sont d?nonc?s par les organisations de d?fense des droits de 
l'homme.

En tant que citoyen Pakistanais, Khawar Mehdi Rizvi n'a enfreint aucune 
loi en se rendant dans la zone frontali?re. Si une preuve existe de son 
implication dans une activit? ill?gale, qu'elle soit pr?sent?e devant 
une cour de justice dans le respect de la loi. Si aucune preuve 
n'existe, nous exigeons sa lib?ration imm?diate.

==========

From rikp at bluewin.ch  Fri Feb  6 12:26:48 2004
From: rikp at bluewin.ch (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS Briefing, Feb 9, 1400, Rm XXV, Palais des Nations, Geneva
Message-ID: <BBD6CE24-589F-11D8-A235-000A95EA981E@bluewin.ch>

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From marzouki at ras.eu.org  Fri Feb  6 13:02:58 2004
From: marzouki at ras.eu.org (Meryem Marzouki)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS Briefing, Feb 9, 1400, Rm XXV, Palais des Nations, Geneva
In-Reply-To: <BBD6CE24-589F-11D8-A235-000A95EA981E@bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <C9BA671A-58A4-11D8-B919-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org>

Thanks Rik for the information. What are these "Reports from WSIS NGO 
Caucuses and Working Groups", when caucuses have neither been invited, 
nor even informed of this ? What is this "inclusive" process, which is 
rather a "fait accompli" ?
Who will speak on behalf of the "WSIS NGO Caucuses and Working Groups" ?
We should firmly protest against this situation.

I hope that someone who can attend will inform us of what has been said 
at this meeting.

Meryem

Le vendredi, 6 f?v 2004, ? 13:26 Europe/Paris, Rik Panganiban a ?crit :

> Dear Friends,
>
> Apologies for the last minute notice of this meeting.  We didn't 
> receive the confirmation from the UN of the room number until quite 
> late.
>
> Please forward to anyone in Geneva who might be interested.
>
> Rik Panganiban
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> You are cordially invited to
>
> An Information Briefing
> on the World Summit
> on the Information Society
>
> Monday, 9 February 2004
>
> 1400-1600, Palais des Nations, Rm XXV
>
> Speakers:
> H.E. Mr. Habib Mansour, Tunisia Delegation to the WSIS
> H.E. Mr. Daniel Stauffacher, Swiss Delegation to the WSIS
> Yoshio Utsumi, WSIS Secretary-General, ITU Secretary-General (invited)
> Charles Geiger, Head of WSIS Executive Secretariat
> Alain Clerc, Civil Society Division, WSIS Executive Secretariat
> Bertrand de la Chapelle, Open-WSIS.net
>
>
> Reports from WSIS NGO Caucuses and Working Groups
>
> Question and Answer Session to immediately follow
>
>
>
> Note: NGOs must have their own accreditation to the UN to participate.
>
> After the briefing, there will be a short meeting of the CONGO ICT 
> Task Force and the Task Force on ICTs and Poverty.  All interested 
> NGOs are invited to participate.
>
> Sponsored by the Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship
> with the United Nations (CONGO)
> website: http://www.ngocongo.org
>
> For more information please contact rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> <flyer WSIS briefing 2.9.04.doc>


From rikp at bluewin.ch  Fri Feb  6 13:12:45 2004
From: rikp at bluewin.ch (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS Briefing, Feb 9, 1400, Rm XXV, Palais des Nations, Geneva
In-Reply-To: <C9BA671A-58A4-11D8-B919-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org>
References: <C9BA671A-58A4-11D8-B919-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org>
Message-ID: <2793ED1C-58A6-11D8-A235-000A95EA981E@bluewin.ch>

Hi Meryem,

My understanding is that this is just an open invitation for groups to 
participate and share information from their own caucuses and working 
groups.  I don't think it is intended to be comprehensive nor 
"official."

Rik

On 6 f?vr. 04, at 14:02, Meryem Marzouki wrote:

> Thanks Rik for the information. What are these "Reports from WSIS NGO 
> Caucuses and Working Groups", when caucuses have neither been invited, 
> nor even informed of this ? What is this "inclusive" process, which is 
> rather a "fait accompli" ?
> Who will speak on behalf of the "WSIS NGO Caucuses and Working Groups" 
> ?
> We should firmly protest against this situation.
>
> I hope that someone who can attend will inform us of what has been 
> said at this meeting.
>
> Meryem
>
> Le vendredi, 6 f?v 2004, ? 13:26 Europe/Paris, Rik Panganiban a ?crit :
>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> Apologies for the last minute notice of this meeting.  We didn't 
>> receive the confirmation from the UN of the room number until quite 
>> late.
>>
>> Please forward to anyone in Geneva who might be interested.
>>
>> Rik Panganiban
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> You are cordially invited to
>>
>> An Information Briefing
>> on the World Summit
>> on the Information Society
>>
>> Monday, 9 February 2004
>>
>> 1400-1600, Palais des Nations, Rm XXV
>>
>> Speakers:
>> H.E. Mr. Habib Mansour, Tunisia Delegation to the WSIS
>> H.E. Mr. Daniel Stauffacher, Swiss Delegation to the WSIS
>> Yoshio Utsumi, WSIS Secretary-General, ITU Secretary-General (invited)
>> Charles Geiger, Head of WSIS Executive Secretariat
>> Alain Clerc, Civil Society Division, WSIS Executive Secretariat
>> Bertrand de la Chapelle, Open-WSIS.net
>>
>>
>> Reports from WSIS NGO Caucuses and Working Groups
>>
>> Question and Answer Session to immediately follow
>>
>>
>>
>> Note: NGOs must have their own accreditation to the UN to participate.
>>
>> After the briefing, there will be a short meeting of the CONGO ICT 
>> Task Force and the Task Force on ICTs and Poverty.  All interested 
>> NGOs are invited to participate.
>>
>> Sponsored by the Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship
>> with the United Nations (CONGO)
>> website: http://www.ngocongo.org
>>
>> For more information please contact rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
>> <flyer WSIS briefing 2.9.04.doc>
>
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From rik.panganiban at ngocongo.org  Fri Feb  6 12:23:48 2004
From: rik.panganiban at ngocongo.org (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS Briefing, Feb 9, 1400, Rm XXV, Palais des Nations, Geneva
Message-ID: <50E3FCB2-589F-11D8-A235-000A95EA981E@ngocongo.org>

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From ralf.bendrath at sfb597.uni-bremen.de  Fri Feb  6 13:57:26 2004
From: ralf.bendrath at sfb597.uni-bremen.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: WSIS Briefing, Feb 9, 1400, Rm XXV, Palais des Nations, Geneva
References: <C9BA671A-58A4-11D8-B919-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org> <2793ED1C-58A6-11D8-A235-000A95EA981E@bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <40239D46.42F5393B@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>

Hi all,

I think Meryem is at least partly right. 

First of all, I really apprechiate CONGO's efforts to keep us NGOs
involved here and maintain a dialogue with the WSIS organizers.

But we can not be so naive and think this is just informal when so many
high-level officials are taking part. 
To invite to this Monday meeting on a Friday afternoon is really not
nice by the way. CONGO should have told us in advance, even before
knowing the exact room number. Then all caucuses would have had time to
prepare something. 
I also wonder why Bertrand did not let us know about this since he is on
the speakers list.

Ok, I know you are all busy, but we really need to maintain the spirit
of transparency and trust here. 

So, those who are going there: Please report back to the list!

Have a nice weekend,

Ralf

From wfuna at unog.ch  Fri Feb  6 14:25:46 2004
From: wfuna at unog.ch (wfuna@unog.ch)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS Briefing, Feb 9, 1400, Rm XXV, Palais des
 Nations, Geneva
Message-ID: <OFEAC717A8.6482834A-ONC1256E32.004F3EAD@unog.un.org>

fureur contre congo....

-----------------------------------------------------
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                      Meryem Marzouki                                                                
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                      org>                     cc:       hr-wsis@iris.sgdg.org,                      
                      Sent by:                  governance@lists.cpsr.org, wsis-euc@fsfeurope.org    
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Thanks Rik for the information. What are these "Reports from WSIS NGO
Caucuses and Working Groups", when caucuses have neither been invited,
nor even informed of this ? What is this "inclusive" process, which is
rather a "fait accompli" ?
Who will speak on behalf of the "WSIS NGO Caucuses and Working Groups" ?
We should firmly protest against this situation.

I hope that someone who can attend will inform us of what has been said
at this meeting.

Meryem

Le vendredi, 6 f?v 2004, ? 13:26 Europe/Paris, Rik Panganiban a ?crit :

> Dear Friends,
>
> Apologies for the last minute notice of this meeting.  We didn't
> receive the confirmation from the UN of the room number until quite
> late.
>
> Please forward to anyone in Geneva who might be interested.
>
> Rik Panganiban
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> You are cordially invited to
>
> An Information Briefing
> on the World Summit
> on the Information Society
>
> Monday, 9 February 2004
>
> 1400-1600, Palais des Nations, Rm XXV
>
> Speakers:
> H.E. Mr. Habib Mansour, Tunisia Delegation to the WSIS
> H.E. Mr. Daniel Stauffacher, Swiss Delegation to the WSIS
> Yoshio Utsumi, WSIS Secretary-General, ITU Secretary-General (invited)
> Charles Geiger, Head of WSIS Executive Secretariat
> Alain Clerc, Civil Society Division, WSIS Executive Secretariat
> Bertrand de la Chapelle, Open-WSIS.net
>
>
> Reports from WSIS NGO Caucuses and Working Groups
>
> Question and Answer Session to immediately follow
>
>
>
> Note: NGOs must have their own accreditation to the UN to participate.
>
> After the briefing, there will be a short meeting of the CONGO ICT
> Task Force and the Task Force on ICTs and Poverty.  All interested
> NGOs are invited to participate.
>
> Sponsored by the Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship
> with the United Nations (CONGO)
> website: http://www.ngocongo.org
>
> For more information please contact rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> <flyer WSIS briefing 2.9.04.doc>

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From rikp at bluewin.ch  Fri Feb  6 15:04:08 2004
From: rikp at bluewin.ch (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS Briefing, Feb 9, 1400, Rm XXV, Palais des Nations, Geneva
In-Reply-To: <OFEAC717A8.6482834A-ONC1256E32.004F3EAD@unog.un.org>
References: <OFEAC717A8.6482834A-ONC1256E32.004F3EAD@unog.un.org>
Message-ID: <B69F7CD4-58B5-11D8-A235-000A95EA981E@bluewin.ch>

Oui, je sais.  Je lui ai repondu deja.

Merci.

Rik

On 6 f?vr. 04, at 15:25, wfuna@unog.ch wrote:

>
> fureur contre congo....
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> WFUNA Geneva
>
> Bureau E4-2A
> Palais des Nations
> 1211 Geneva 10
> Switzerland
>
> Tel:  +41 22 917 32 39
> Fax: +41 22 917 01 85
> wfuna@unog.ch
> www.wfuna.org
>
>
>
>
>                       Meryem Marzouki
>                       <marzouki@ras.eu.        To:       
> plenary@wsis-cs.org
>                       org>                     cc:       
> hr-wsis@iris.sgdg.org,
>                       Sent by:                  
> governance@lists.cpsr.org, wsis-euc@fsfeurope.org
>                       plenary-admin@wsi        Subject:  Re: [WSIS 
> CS-Plenary] WSIS Briefing, Feb 9,
>                       s-cs.org                  1400, Rm XXV, Palais 
> des Nations, Geneva
>
>
>                       06.02.04 14:02
>                       Please respond to
>                       plenary
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks Rik for the information. What are these "Reports from WSIS NGO
> Caucuses and Working Groups", when caucuses have neither been invited,
> nor even informed of this ? What is this "inclusive" process, which is
> rather a "fait accompli" ?
> Who will speak on behalf of the "WSIS NGO Caucuses and Working Groups" 
> ?
> We should firmly protest against this situation.
>
> I hope that someone who can attend will inform us of what has been said
> at this meeting.
>
> Meryem
>
> Le vendredi, 6 f?v 2004, ? 13:26 Europe/Paris, Rik Panganiban a ?crit :
>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> Apologies for the last minute notice of this meeting.  We didn't
>> receive the confirmation from the UN of the room number until quite
>> late.
>>
>> Please forward to anyone in Geneva who might be interested.
>>
>> Rik Panganiban
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> You are cordially invited to
>>
>> An Information Briefing
>> on the World Summit
>> on the Information Society
>>
>> Monday, 9 February 2004
>>
>> 1400-1600, Palais des Nations, Rm XXV
>>
>> Speakers:
>> H.E. Mr. Habib Mansour, Tunisia Delegation to the WSIS
>> H.E. Mr. Daniel Stauffacher, Swiss Delegation to the WSIS
>> Yoshio Utsumi, WSIS Secretary-General, ITU Secretary-General (invited)
>> Charles Geiger, Head of WSIS Executive Secretariat
>> Alain Clerc, Civil Society Division, WSIS Executive Secretariat
>> Bertrand de la Chapelle, Open-WSIS.net
>>
>>
>> Reports from WSIS NGO Caucuses and Working Groups
>>
>> Question and Answer Session to immediately follow
>>
>>
>>
>> Note: NGOs must have their own accreditation to the UN to participate.
>>
>> After the briefing, there will be a short meeting of the CONGO ICT
>> Task Force and the Task Force on ICTs and Poverty.  All interested
>> NGOs are invited to participate.
>>
>> Sponsored by the Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship
>> with the United Nations (CONGO)
>> website: http://www.ngocongo.org
>>
>> For more information please contact rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
>> <flyer WSIS briefing 2.9.04.doc>
>
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From richardjordan at lycos.com  Fri Feb  6 15:55:03 2004
From: richardjordan at lycos.com (richard t jordan)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: WSIS Briefing, Feb 9, 1400, Rm XXV, Palais des Nations, Geneva
Message-ID: <JDACKIDFBHLJMFAA@mailcity.com>

--Hi, Richard Jordan in New York here. This type of matter with rooms being posted at the last minute happens frequently in NY also, as a matter of fact, we sometimes do not know until the actual day of an event where the briefing or event will be held, and then the event is sometimes moved even at the last minute.

Having been at the CONGO General Assembly in December just before the WSIS, i can say that for all it does, CONGO is doing its best to work under extremely adverse conditions due to the issue of its office space in the Palais itself. And with reduced staff, it is amazing what CONGO really DOES accomplish!

For matters of transparency, i am the NGO rep on the Thursday NGO briefing in NY sponsored by the Department of Public Information. Sara McCue of UNDP, the Permanent Rep of Tunisia and Therese Gastaux are the other presenters. We all have about 7-10 minutes with Q&A -- first briefing here after the summit.

Richard J.

--------- Original Message ---------

DATE: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:57:26
From: Ralf Bendrath <ralf.bendrath@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Cc: 

>Hi all,
>
>I think Meryem is at least partly right. 
>
>First of all, I really apprechiate CONGO's efforts to keep us NGOs
>involved here and maintain a dialogue with the WSIS organizers.
>
>But we can not be so naive and think this is just informal when so many
>high-level officials are taking part. 
>To invite to this Monday meeting on a Friday afternoon is really not
>nice by the way. CONGO should have told us in advance, even before
>knowing the exact room number. Then all caucuses would have had time to
>prepare something. 
>I also wonder why Bertrand did not let us know about this since he is on
>the speakers list.
>
>Ok, I know you are all busy, but we really need to maintain the spirit
>of transparency and trust here. 
>
>So, those who are going there: Please report back to the list!
>
>Have a nice weekend,
>
>Ralf
>_______________________________________________
>Plenary mailing list
>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  6 19:39:34 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS Briefing, Feb 9, 1400, Rm XXV, Palais des Nations, Geneva
In-Reply-To: <BBD6CE24-589F-11D8-A235-000A95EA981E@bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <20040206193934.31479.qmail@web60704.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear all,
Sorry to said that it becomes funny to follow this
discussion on how the CS is considered by officials
who call at the last second representatives of CS they
decided to select on their own criteria.
If some of us reply like they do at any request, they
must do it at their own name and not at the name of CS
And please find a solution to inform in other
languages and not only in English.
It's become unacceptable.
Let's try to give an relevant image of the CS.
Let's give to a new group the right to speak on the
name of CS.
it is time to understand that we don't want to live a
new shame like in Geneva.
It's one of the last alarm if there is not a relevant
decision it will be time to start working for a
counter Summit decided by a part of Civile Society who
don't accept to continue on the same way.
All the best 
Djilali
Salut tout le monde,
Cela devient agançant d'être informé de décision prise
à la dernère seconde au nom de la société civile.
Certains d'entre nous accepte de bonne foi de répondre
à des appels dans l'urgence, cela ne rehausse pas la
crédibilité de la société civile qu'on manipule comme
on veut.
Il est temps d'admettre que les choses changent et que
nous évitons la honte de notre statut à Genève.
Certains grosses pointures continuent a ne s'exprimer
qu'en Anglais et cela devient aussi révoltant.
Si les choses continuent comme cela il serait
peut-être tamps de réfléchir sur la réorientation de
nos efforts sur la préparation d'un contre sommet.
Peut-être que ce que visent certains.
Bien à vous
Djilali
 
--- Rik Panganiban <rikp@bluewin.ch> wrote:
> Dear Friends,
> 
> Apologies for the last minute notice of this
> meeting.  We didn't 
> receive the confirmation from the UN of the room
> number until quite 
> late.
> 
> Please forward to anyone in Geneva who might be
> interested.
> 
> Rik Panganiban
> 
>
----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> You are cordially invited to
> 
> An Information Briefing
> on the World Summit
> on the Information Society
> 
> Monday, 9 February 2004
> 
> 1400-1600, Palais des Nations, Rm XXV
> 
> Speakers:
> H.E. Mr. Habib Mansour, Tunisia Delegation to the
> WSIS
> H.E. Mr. Daniel Stauffacher, Swiss Delegation to the
> WSIS
> Yoshio Utsumi, WSIS Secretary-General, ITU
> Secretary-General (invited)
> Charles Geiger, Head of WSIS Executive Secretariat
> Alain Clerc, Civil Society Division, WSIS Executive
> Secretariat
> Bertrand de la Chapelle, Open-WSIS.net
> 
> 
> Reports from WSIS NGO Caucuses and Working Groups
> 
> Question and Answer Session to immediately follow
> 
> 
> 
> Note: NGOs must have their own accreditation to the
> UN to participate.
> 
> After the briefing, there will be a short meeting of
> the CONGO ICT Task 
> Force and the Task Force on ICTs and Poverty.  All
> interested NGOs are 
> invited to participate.
> 
> Sponsored by the Conference of NGOs in Consultative
> Relationship
> with the United Nations (CONGO)
> website: http://www.ngocongo.org
> 
> For more information please contact
> rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> 

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From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Sat Feb  7 05:53:24 2004
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Fullsack Jean-Louis)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS Briefing, Feb 9, 1400, Rm XXV, Palais des Nations, Geneva
References: <C9BA671A-58A4-11D8-B919-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org>
Message-ID: <00ce01c3ed3e$b835e180$0a00000a@default>

En fran?ais plus loin

Thanks Rik for this information
As Meryem does, I strongly protest against any expression of CS entities
(caucuses, working grooups) without any mandate and support of the CS
Plenary.

Merci Rik pour cette information.
Comme Meryem, je proteste contre toute expression d'entit?s de la SC
(Caucus, groupes de travail) sans un mandat et un soutien de la pl?ni?re de
la SC.

Jean-Louis Fullsack

----- Original Message -----
From: "Meryem Marzouki" <marzouki@ras.eu.org>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Cc: <hr-wsis@iris.sgdg.org>; <governance@lists.cpsr.org>;
<wsis-euc@fsfeurope.org>
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS Briefing, Feb 9, 1400, Rm XXV, Palais
des Nations, Geneva


Thanks Rik for the information. What are these "Reports from WSIS NGO
Caucuses and Working Groups", when caucuses have neither been invited,
nor even informed of this ? What is this "inclusive" process, which is
rather a "fait accompli" ?
Who will speak on behalf of the "WSIS NGO Caucuses and Working Groups" ?
We should firmly protest against this situation.

I hope that someone who can attend will inform us of what has been said
at this meeting.

Meryem

Le vendredi, 6 f?v 2004, ? 13:26 Europe/Paris, Rik Panganiban a ?crit :

> Dear Friends,
>
> Apologies for the last minute notice of this meeting.  We didn't
> receive the confirmation from the UN of the room number until quite
> late.
>
> Please forward to anyone in Geneva who might be interested.
>
> Rik Panganiban
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> You are cordially invited to
>
> An Information Briefing
> on the World Summit
> on the Information Society
>
> Monday, 9 February 2004
>
> 1400-1600, Palais des Nations, Rm XXV
>
> Speakers:
> H.E. Mr. Habib Mansour, Tunisia Delegation to the WSIS
> H.E. Mr. Daniel Stauffacher, Swiss Delegation to the WSIS
> Yoshio Utsumi, WSIS Secretary-General, ITU Secretary-General (invited)
> Charles Geiger, Head of WSIS Executive Secretariat
> Alain Clerc, Civil Society Division, WSIS Executive Secretariat
> Bertrand de la Chapelle, Open-WSIS.net
>
>
> Reports from WSIS NGO Caucuses and Working Groups
>
> Question and Answer Session to immediately follow
>
>
>
> Note: NGOs must have their own accreditation to the UN to participate.
>
> After the briefing, there will be a short meeting of the CONGO ICT
> Task Force and the Task Force on ICTs and Poverty.  All interested
> NGOs are invited to participate.
>
> Sponsored by the Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship
> with the United Nations (CONGO)
> website: http://www.ngocongo.org
>
> For more information please contact rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> <flyer WSIS briefing 2.9.04.doc>

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From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Sat Feb  7 06:14:31 2004
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Fullsack Jean-Louis)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS Briefing, Feb 9, 1400, Rm XXV, Palais des Nations, Geneva
References: <C9BA671A-58A4-11D8-B919-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org> <2793ED1C-58A6-11D8-A235-000A95EA981E@bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <00dc01c3ed41$a7856420$0a00000a@default>

en fran?ais plus loin
Dear Rik
If some of CS members are to attend this meeting they will partcipate in any
way to the views exchanged. Such a high level meeting cannot be but official
and hence a risk that some CS participants opinions expressed during it are
considered as "official" by the organisators  ... especially if they are "in
the good (official) direction".

Cher Rik
Si certains membres de la SC vont ? cette r?union, ils participeront de
toute mani?re ? l'?change de vues. Une r?union ? si haut niveau ne peut ?tre
qu'officielle, d'o? un risque que les points de vue de participants de la SC
exprim?s au cours de celle-ci soient tenus comme "officiels" par les
organisateurs  ... en particulier s'ils se situent "dans la bonne direction"
(l'officielle).

Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rik Panganiban" <rikp@bluewin.ch>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Cc: <governance@lists.cpsr.org>; <hr-wsis@iris.sgdg.org>;
<wsis-euc@fsfeurope.org>
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS Briefing, Feb 9, 1400, Rm XXV, Palais
des Nations, Geneva


Hi Meryem,

My understanding is that this is just an open invitation for groups to
participate and share information from their own caucuses and working
groups.  I don't think it is intended to be comprehensive nor
"official."

Rik

On 6 f?vr. 04, at 14:02, Meryem Marzouki wrote:

> Thanks Rik for the information. What are these "Reports from WSIS NGO
> Caucuses and Working Groups", when caucuses have neither been invited,
> nor even informed of this ? What is this "inclusive" process, which is
> rather a "fait accompli" ?
> Who will speak on behalf of the "WSIS NGO Caucuses and Working Groups"
> ?
> We should firmly protest against this situation.
>
> I hope that someone who can attend will inform us of what has been
> said at this meeting.
>
> Meryem
>
> Le vendredi, 6 f?v 2004, ? 13:26 Europe/Paris, Rik Panganiban a ?crit :
>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> Apologies for the last minute notice of this meeting.  We didn't
>> receive the confirmation from the UN of the room number until quite
>> late.
>>
>> Please forward to anyone in Geneva who might be interested.
>>
>> Rik Panganiban
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> You are cordially invited to
>>
>> An Information Briefing
>> on the World Summit
>> on the Information Society
>>
>> Monday, 9 February 2004
>>
>> 1400-1600, Palais des Nations, Rm XXV
>>
>> Speakers:
>> H.E. Mr. Habib Mansour, Tunisia Delegation to the WSIS
>> H.E. Mr. Daniel Stauffacher, Swiss Delegation to the WSIS
>> Yoshio Utsumi, WSIS Secretary-General, ITU Secretary-General (invited)
>> Charles Geiger, Head of WSIS Executive Secretariat
>> Alain Clerc, Civil Society Division, WSIS Executive Secretariat
>> Bertrand de la Chapelle, Open-WSIS.net
>>
>>
>> Reports from WSIS NGO Caucuses and Working Groups
>>
>> Question and Answer Session to immediately follow
>>
>>
>>
>> Note: NGOs must have their own accreditation to the UN to participate.
>>
>> After the briefing, there will be a short meeting of the CONGO ICT
>> Task Force and the Task Force on ICTs and Poverty.  All interested
>> NGOs are invited to participate.
>>
>> Sponsored by the Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship
>> with the United Nations (CONGO)
>> website: http://www.ngocongo.org
>>
>> For more information please contact rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
>> <flyer WSIS briefing 2.9.04.doc>
>
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 08:02:59 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: conditions for CS participation
In-Reply-To: <00dc01c3ed41$a7856420$0a00000a@default>
Message-ID: <20040207080259.63054.qmail@web60707.mail.yahoo.com>

en français plus bas !
Dear Myriam, Jean Louis, Ryk and all
I support the comment of Myriam and Jean Louis. It is
time to take the time to decide how to process in the
future. Those who are well known and experimented by
the first Phase (Geneva) must propose names and
mechanism for provisory representativity of SC. For
the Tunis phase we do need to equilibrate the
representativity regarding the languages (in minimum
the UN official working languages and so the
respective SC especially in the South will be better
informed and involved in the preparation of the
Summit.
We must do something to make the representative of
Africa more present and more efficient in the
preparation and the tenue of the Summit in Tunis.
What is doing the SC Bureau if it is functionning ?
Why is it ne capable to mobilize ressources from
Francophonie, France or Canada to unsure the
traduction of messages ?
Chers Myriam, Jean Louis Ryk et les autres,
j'appuie les commentaires de Myriam et de Jean Louis,
et il serait temps de prendre le temps de réfléchir et
de proposer des noms et des mécanismes pour
représenter dès cette phase la SC, même
provisoirement. 
Il me tient tout particulièrement à coeur que les
langues officielles onusiennes de travail soient
équitablement représentées dans le groupe à désigner
ainsi les SC notamment du Sud de ces langues seront
mieux informées et mieux impliquées.
Que fait le Bureau de la SC s'il existe toujours ?
pourquoi ne mobilise t-il pas des moyens au près de la
francophonie, de la france ou du canada pour assurer
la traduction des messages ?
Nous devrions faire le nécessaire pour que la SC
africaine puisse être davantage présente et active
dans la préparation et da    
--- Fullsack Jean-Louis <jlfullsack@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> en français plus loin
> Dear Rik
> If some of CS members are to attend this meeting
> they will partcipate in any
> way to the views exchanged. Such a high level
> meeting cannot be but official
> and hence a risk that some CS participants opinions
> expressed during it are
> considered as "official" by the organisators  ...
> especially if they are "in
> the good (official) direction".
> 
> Cher Rik
> Si certains membres de la SC vont à cette réunion,
> ils participeront de
> toute manière à l'échange de vues. Une réunion à si
> haut niveau ne peut être
> qu'officielle, d'où un risque que les points de vue
> de participants de la SC
> exprimés au cours de celle-ci soient tenus comme
> "officiels" par les
> organisateurs  ... en particulier s'ils se situent
> "dans la bonne direction"
> (l'officielle).
> 
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> CSDPTT
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rik Panganiban" <rikp@bluewin.ch>
> To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> Cc: <governance@lists.cpsr.org>;
> <hr-wsis@iris.sgdg.org>;
> <wsis-euc@fsfeurope.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 2:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS Briefing, Feb 9,
> 1400, Rm XXV, Palais
> des Nations, Geneva
> 
> 
> Hi Meryem,
> 
> My understanding is that this is just an open
> invitation for groups to
> participate and share information from their own
> caucuses and working
> groups.  I don't think it is intended to be
> comprehensive nor
> "official."
> 
> Rik
> 
> On 6 févr. 04, at 14:02, Meryem Marzouki wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Rik for the information. What are these
> "Reports from WSIS NGO
> > Caucuses and Working Groups", when caucuses have
> neither been invited,
> > nor even informed of this ? What is this
> "inclusive" process, which is
> > rather a "fait accompli" ?
> > Who will speak on behalf of the "WSIS NGO Caucuses
> and Working Groups"
> > ?
> > We should firmly protest against this situation.
> >
> > I hope that someone who can attend will inform us
> of what has been
> > said at this meeting.
> >
> > Meryem
> >
> > Le vendredi, 6 fév 2004, à 13:26 Europe/Paris, Rik
> Panganiban a écrit :
> >
> >> Dear Friends,
> >>
> >> Apologies for the last minute notice of this
> meeting.  We didn't
> >> receive the confirmation from the UN of the room
> number until quite
> >> late.
> >>
> >> Please forward to anyone in Geneva who might be
> interested.
> >>
> >> Rik Panganiban
> >>
> >>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> You are cordially invited to
> >>
> >> An Information Briefing
> >> on the World Summit
> >> on the Information Society
> >>
> >> Monday, 9 February 2004
> >>
> >> 1400-1600, Palais des Nations, Rm XXV
> >>
> >> Speakers:
> >> H.E. Mr. Habib Mansour, Tunisia Delegation to the
> WSIS
> >> H.E. Mr. Daniel Stauffacher, Swiss Delegation to
> the WSIS
> >> Yoshio Utsumi, WSIS Secretary-General, ITU
> Secretary-General (invited)
> >> Charles Geiger, Head of WSIS Executive
> Secretariat
> >> Alain Clerc, Civil Society Division, WSIS
> Executive Secretariat
> >> Bertrand de la Chapelle, Open-WSIS.net
> >>
> >>
> >> Reports from WSIS NGO Caucuses and Working Groups
> >>
> >> Question and Answer Session to immediately follow
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Note: NGOs must have their own accreditation to
> the UN to participate.
> >>
> >> After the briefing, there will be a short meeting
> of the CONGO ICT
> >> Task Force and the Task Force on ICTs and
> Poverty.  All interested
> >> NGOs are invited to participate.
> >>
> >> Sponsored by the Conference of NGOs in
> Consultative Relationship
> >> with the United Nations (CONGO)
> >> website: http://www.ngocongo.org
> >>
> >> For more information please contact
> rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> >> <flyer WSIS briefing 2.9.04.doc>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Plenary mailing list
> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >
>
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 
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>
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 08:03:01 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: conditions for CS participation
In-Reply-To: <00dc01c3ed41$a7856420$0a00000a@default>
Message-ID: <20040207080301.59224.qmail@web60708.mail.yahoo.com>

en français plus bas !
Dear Myriam, Jean Louis, Ryk and all
I support the comment of Myriam and Jean Louis. It is
time to take the time to decide how to process in the
future. Those who are well known and experimented by
the first Phase (Geneva) must propose names and
mechanism for provisory representativity of SC. For
the Tunis phase we do need to equilibrate the
representativity regarding the languages (in minimum
the UN official working languages and so the
respective SC especially in the South will be better
informed and involved in the preparation of the
Summit.
We must do something to make the representative of
Africa more present and more efficient in the
preparation and the tenue of the Summit in Tunis.
What is doing the SC Bureau if it is functionning ?
Why is it ne capable to mobilize ressources from
Francophonie, France or Canada to unsure the
traduction of messages ?
Chers Myriam, Jean Louis Ryk et les autres,
j'appuie les commentaires de Myriam et de Jean Louis,
et il serait temps de prendre le temps de réfléchir et
de proposer des noms et des mécanismes pour
représenter dès cette phase la SC, même
provisoirement. 
Il me tient tout particulièrement à coeur que les
langues officielles onusiennes de travail soient
équitablement représentées dans le groupe à désigner
ainsi les SC notamment du Sud de ces langues seront
mieux informées et mieux impliquées.
Que fait le Bureau de la SC s'il existe toujours ?
pourquoi ne mobilise t-il pas des moyens au près de la
francophonie, de la france ou du canada pour assurer
la traduction des messages ?
Nous devrions faire le nécessaire pour que la SC
africaine puisse être davantage présente et active
dans la préparation et da    
--- Fullsack Jean-Louis <jlfullsack@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> en français plus loin
> Dear Rik
> If some of CS members are to attend this meeting
> they will partcipate in any
> way to the views exchanged. Such a high level
> meeting cannot be but official
> and hence a risk that some CS participants opinions
> expressed during it are
> considered as "official" by the organisators  ...
> especially if they are "in
> the good (official) direction".
> 
> Cher Rik
> Si certains membres de la SC vont à cette réunion,
> ils participeront de
> toute manière à l'échange de vues. Une réunion à si
> haut niveau ne peut être
> qu'officielle, d'où un risque que les points de vue
> de participants de la SC
> exprimés au cours de celle-ci soient tenus comme
> "officiels" par les
> organisateurs  ... en particulier s'ils se situent
> "dans la bonne direction"
> (l'officielle).
> 
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> CSDPTT
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rik Panganiban" <rikp@bluewin.ch>
> To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> Cc: <governance@lists.cpsr.org>;
> <hr-wsis@iris.sgdg.org>;
> <wsis-euc@fsfeurope.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 2:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS Briefing, Feb 9,
> 1400, Rm XXV, Palais
> des Nations, Geneva
> 
> 
> Hi Meryem,
> 
> My understanding is that this is just an open
> invitation for groups to
> participate and share information from their own
> caucuses and working
> groups.  I don't think it is intended to be
> comprehensive nor
> "official."
> 
> Rik
> 
> On 6 févr. 04, at 14:02, Meryem Marzouki wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Rik for the information. What are these
> "Reports from WSIS NGO
> > Caucuses and Working Groups", when caucuses have
> neither been invited,
> > nor even informed of this ? What is this
> "inclusive" process, which is
> > rather a "fait accompli" ?
> > Who will speak on behalf of the "WSIS NGO Caucuses
> and Working Groups"
> > ?
> > We should firmly protest against this situation.
> >
> > I hope that someone who can attend will inform us
> of what has been
> > said at this meeting.
> >
> > Meryem
> >
> > Le vendredi, 6 fév 2004, à 13:26 Europe/Paris, Rik
> Panganiban a écrit :
> >
> >> Dear Friends,
> >>
> >> Apologies for the last minute notice of this
> meeting.  We didn't
> >> receive the confirmation from the UN of the room
> number until quite
> >> late.
> >>
> >> Please forward to anyone in Geneva who might be
> interested.
> >>
> >> Rik Panganiban
> >>
> >>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> You are cordially invited to
> >>
> >> An Information Briefing
> >> on the World Summit
> >> on the Information Society
> >>
> >> Monday, 9 February 2004
> >>
> >> 1400-1600, Palais des Nations, Rm XXV
> >>
> >> Speakers:
> >> H.E. Mr. Habib Mansour, Tunisia Delegation to the
> WSIS
> >> H.E. Mr. Daniel Stauffacher, Swiss Delegation to
> the WSIS
> >> Yoshio Utsumi, WSIS Secretary-General, ITU
> Secretary-General (invited)
> >> Charles Geiger, Head of WSIS Executive
> Secretariat
> >> Alain Clerc, Civil Society Division, WSIS
> Executive Secretariat
> >> Bertrand de la Chapelle, Open-WSIS.net
> >>
> >>
> >> Reports from WSIS NGO Caucuses and Working Groups
> >>
> >> Question and Answer Session to immediately follow
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Note: NGOs must have their own accreditation to
> the UN to participate.
> >>
> >> After the briefing, there will be a short meeting
> of the CONGO ICT
> >> Task Force and the Task Force on ICTs and
> Poverty.  All interested
> >> NGOs are invited to participate.
> >>
> >> Sponsored by the Conference of NGOs in
> Consultative Relationship
> >> with the United Nations (CONGO)
> >> website: http://www.ngocongo.org
> >>
> >> For more information please contact
> rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> >> <flyer WSIS briefing 2.9.04.doc>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Plenary mailing list
> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >
>
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 08:02:59 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: conditions for CS participation
In-Reply-To: <00dc01c3ed41$a7856420$0a00000a@default>
Message-ID: <20040207080259.13639.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com>

en français plus bas !
Dear Myriam, Jean Louis, Ryk and all
I support the comment of Myriam and Jean Louis. It is
time to take the time to decide how to process in the
future. Those who are well known and experimented by
the first Phase (Geneva) must propose names and
mechanism for provisory representativity of SC. For
the Tunis phase we do need to equilibrate the
representativity regarding the languages (in minimum
the UN official working languages and so the
respective SC especially in the South will be better
informed and involved in the preparation of the
Summit.
We must do something to make the representative of
Africa more present and more efficient in the
preparation and the tenue of the Summit in Tunis.
What is doing the SC Bureau if it is functionning ?
Why is it ne capable to mobilize ressources from
Francophonie, France or Canada to unsure the
traduction of messages ?
Chers Myriam, Jean Louis Ryk et les autres,
j'appuie les commentaires de Myriam et de Jean Louis,
et il serait temps de prendre le temps de réfléchir et
de proposer des noms et des mécanismes pour
représenter dès cette phase la SC, même
provisoirement. 
Il me tient tout particulièrement à coeur que les
langues officielles onusiennes de travail soient
équitablement représentées dans le groupe à désigner
ainsi les SC notamment du Sud de ces langues seront
mieux informées et mieux impliquées.
Que fait le Bureau de la SC s'il existe toujours ?
pourquoi ne mobilise t-il pas des moyens au près de la
francophonie, de la france ou du canada pour assurer
la traduction des messages ?
Nous devrions faire le nécessaire pour que la SC
africaine puisse être davantage présente et active
dans la préparation et da    
--- Fullsack Jean-Louis <jlfullsack@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> en français plus loin
> Dear Rik
> If some of CS members are to attend this meeting
> they will partcipate in any
> way to the views exchanged. Such a high level
> meeting cannot be but official
> and hence a risk that some CS participants opinions
> expressed during it are
> considered as "official" by the organisators  ...
> especially if they are "in
> the good (official) direction".
> 
> Cher Rik
> Si certains membres de la SC vont à cette réunion,
> ils participeront de
> toute manière à l'échange de vues. Une réunion à si
> haut niveau ne peut être
> qu'officielle, d'où un risque que les points de vue
> de participants de la SC
> exprimés au cours de celle-ci soient tenus comme
> "officiels" par les
> organisateurs  ... en particulier s'ils se situent
> "dans la bonne direction"
> (l'officielle).
> 
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> CSDPTT
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rik Panganiban" <rikp@bluewin.ch>
> To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> Cc: <governance@lists.cpsr.org>;
> <hr-wsis@iris.sgdg.org>;
> <wsis-euc@fsfeurope.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 2:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS Briefing, Feb 9,
> 1400, Rm XXV, Palais
> des Nations, Geneva
> 
> 
> Hi Meryem,
> 
> My understanding is that this is just an open
> invitation for groups to
> participate and share information from their own
> caucuses and working
> groups.  I don't think it is intended to be
> comprehensive nor
> "official."
> 
> Rik
> 
> On 6 févr. 04, at 14:02, Meryem Marzouki wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Rik for the information. What are these
> "Reports from WSIS NGO
> > Caucuses and Working Groups", when caucuses have
> neither been invited,
> > nor even informed of this ? What is this
> "inclusive" process, which is
> > rather a "fait accompli" ?
> > Who will speak on behalf of the "WSIS NGO Caucuses
> and Working Groups"
> > ?
> > We should firmly protest against this situation.
> >
> > I hope that someone who can attend will inform us
> of what has been
> > said at this meeting.
> >
> > Meryem
> >
> > Le vendredi, 6 fév 2004, à 13:26 Europe/Paris, Rik
> Panganiban a écrit :
> >
> >> Dear Friends,
> >>
> >> Apologies for the last minute notice of this
> meeting.  We didn't
> >> receive the confirmation from the UN of the room
> number until quite
> >> late.
> >>
> >> Please forward to anyone in Geneva who might be
> interested.
> >>
> >> Rik Panganiban
> >>
> >>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> You are cordially invited to
> >>
> >> An Information Briefing
> >> on the World Summit
> >> on the Information Society
> >>
> >> Monday, 9 February 2004
> >>
> >> 1400-1600, Palais des Nations, Rm XXV
> >>
> >> Speakers:
> >> H.E. Mr. Habib Mansour, Tunisia Delegation to the
> WSIS
> >> H.E. Mr. Daniel Stauffacher, Swiss Delegation to
> the WSIS
> >> Yoshio Utsumi, WSIS Secretary-General, ITU
> Secretary-General (invited)
> >> Charles Geiger, Head of WSIS Executive
> Secretariat
> >> Alain Clerc, Civil Society Division, WSIS
> Executive Secretariat
> >> Bertrand de la Chapelle, Open-WSIS.net
> >>
> >>
> >> Reports from WSIS NGO Caucuses and Working Groups
> >>
> >> Question and Answer Session to immediately follow
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Note: NGOs must have their own accreditation to
> the UN to participate.
> >>
> >> After the briefing, there will be a short meeting
> of the CONGO ICT
> >> Task Force and the Task Force on ICTs and
> Poverty.  All interested
> >> NGOs are invited to participate.
> >>
> >> Sponsored by the Conference of NGOs in
> Consultative Relationship
> >> with the United Nations (CONGO)
> >> website: http://www.ngocongo.org
> >>
> >> For more information please contact
> rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> >> <flyer WSIS briefing 2.9.04.doc>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Plenary mailing list
> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
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From beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar  Sat Feb  7 14:28:58 2004
From: beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar (Beatriz Busaniche)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:27 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: conditions for CS participation
In-Reply-To: <20040207080301.59224.qmail@web60708.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040207080301.59224.qmail@web60708.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1076164138.1616.29.camel@linux.local>

Hi
from the far spanish speaking south, i strongly support what Jean Luis
and DJilali said. It is not only africa and the french speaking
community, the problem is also with the big spanish speaking community
from Latin America, also with the chinese community and so.

I cannot agree that civil society will continue be represented just for
those who could attend every meeting because they live in Europe or in
North America. What happens with the rest of us? 

I know a lot of people that are interested in follow this process but
it's impossible for them just because they do not speak english, which
kind of world summit are we following ???

Hola
desde el lejano e hispano parlante sur, apoyo firmemente lo que dijeron
Jean Louis y Djilali. No se trata solo de los africanos y los
franc?fonos, tambi?n se trata de la enorme comunidad hispano hablante y
de Am?rica latina, y lo mismo con la comunidad china y todos los dem'sa.

No puedo estar de acuerdo en que la sociedad civil siga siendo
representada solo por aquellos que pueden estar presentes en todoas lasr
euniones sencillamente porque viven en Europa y en norteamerica. Qu?
pasa con el resto de nosotros.

conozco mucha gente que est? interesada en seguir este proceso pero les
resulta imposible s?lo porque no hablan ingl?s. Qu? clase de Cumbre
Mundial estamos siguiendo???

Saludos en espa?o!
Beatriz






El s?b, 07 de 02 de 2004 a las 05:03, djilali benamrane escribi?:
> en fran?ais plus bas !
> Dear Myriam, Jean Louis, Ryk and all
> I support the comment of Myriam and Jean Louis. It is
> time to take the time to decide how to process in the
> future. Those who are well known and experimented by
> the first Phase (Geneva) must propose names and
> mechanism for provisory representativity of SC. For
> the Tunis phase we do need to equilibrate the
> representativity regarding the languages (in minimum
> the UN official working languages and so the
> respective SC especially in the South will be better
> informed and involved in the preparation of the
> Summit.
> We must do something to make the representative of
> Africa more present and more efficient in the
> preparation and the tenue of the Summit in Tunis.
> What is doing the SC Bureau if it is functionning ?
> Why is it ne capable to mobilize ressources from
> Francophonie, France or Canada to unsure the
> traduction of messages ?
> Chers Myriam, Jean Louis Ryk et les autres,
> j'appuie les commentaires de Myriam et de Jean Louis,
> et il serait temps de prendre le temps de r?fl?chir et
> de proposer des noms et des m?canismes pour
> repr?senter d?s cette phase la SC, m?me
> provisoirement. 
> Il me tient tout particuli?rement ? coeur que les
> langues officielles onusiennes de travail soient
> ?quitablement repr?sent?es dans le groupe ? d?signer
> ainsi les SC notamment du Sud de ces langues seront
> mieux inform?es et mieux impliqu?es.
> Que fait le Bureau de la SC s'il existe toujours ?
> pourquoi ne mobilise t-il pas des moyens au pr?s de la
> francophonie, de la france ou du canada pour assurer
> la traduction des messages ?
> Nous devrions faire le n?cessaire pour que la SC
> africaine puisse ?tre davantage pr?sente et active
> dans la pr?paration et da    
> --- Fullsack Jean-Louis <jlfullsack@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> > en fran?ais plus loin
> > Dear Rik
> > If some of CS members are to attend this meeting
> > they will partcipate in any
> > way to the views exchanged. Such a high level
> > meeting cannot be but official
> > and hence a risk that some CS participants opinions
> > expressed during it are
> > considered as "official" by the organisators  ...
> > especially if they are "in
> > the good (official) direction".
> > 
> > Cher Rik
> > Si certains membres de la SC vont ? cette r?union,
> > ils participeront de
> > toute mani?re ? l'?change de vues. Une r?union ? si
> > haut niveau ne peut ?tre
> > qu'officielle, d'o? un risque que les points de vue
> > de participants de la SC
> > exprim?s au cours de celle-ci soient tenus comme
> > "officiels" par les
> > organisateurs  ... en particulier s'ils se situent
> > "dans la bonne direction"
> > (l'officielle).
> > 
> > Jean-Louis Fullsack
> > CSDPTT
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rik Panganiban" <rikp@bluewin.ch>
> > To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> > Cc: <governance@lists.cpsr.org>;
> > <hr-wsis@iris.sgdg.org>;
> > <wsis-euc@fsfeurope.org>
> > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 2:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS Briefing, Feb 9,
> > 1400, Rm XXV, Palais
> > des Nations, Geneva
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Meryem,
> > 
> > My understanding is that this is just an open
> > invitation for groups to
> > participate and share information from their own
> > caucuses and working
> > groups.  I don't think it is intended to be
> > comprehensive nor
> > "official."
> > 
> > Rik
> > 
> > On 6 f?vr. 04, at 14:02, Meryem Marzouki wrote:
> > 
> > > Thanks Rik for the information. What are these
> > "Reports from WSIS NGO
> > > Caucuses and Working Groups", when caucuses have
> > neither been invited,
> > > nor even informed of this ? What is this
> > "inclusive" process, which is
> > > rather a "fait accompli" ?
> > > Who will speak on behalf of the "WSIS NGO Caucuses
> > and Working Groups"
> > > ?
> > > We should firmly protest against this situation.
> > >
> > > I hope that someone who can attend will inform us
> > of what has been
> > > said at this meeting.
> > >
> > > Meryem
> > >
> > > Le vendredi, 6 f?v 2004, ? 13:26 Europe/Paris, Rik
> > Panganiban a ?crit :
> > >
> > >> Dear Friends,
> > >>
> > >> Apologies for the last minute notice of this
> > meeting.  We didn't
> > >> receive the confirmation from the UN of the room
> > number until quite
> > >> late.
> > >>
> > >> Please forward to anyone in Geneva who might be
> > interested.
> > >>
> > >> Rik Panganiban
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> You are cordially invited to
> > >>
> > >> An Information Briefing
> > >> on the World Summit
> > >> on the Information Society
> > >>
> > >> Monday, 9 February 2004
> > >>
> > >> 1400-1600, Palais des Nations, Rm XXV
> > >>
> > >> Speakers:
> > >> H.E. Mr. Habib Mansour, Tunisia Delegation to the
> > WSIS
> > >> H.E. Mr. Daniel Stauffacher, Swiss Delegation to
> > the WSIS
> > >> Yoshio Utsumi, WSIS Secretary-General, ITU
> > Secretary-General (invited)
> > >> Charles Geiger, Head of WSIS Executive
> > Secretariat
> > >> Alain Clerc, Civil Society Division, WSIS
> > Executive Secretariat
> > >> Bertrand de la Chapelle, Open-WSIS.net
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Reports from WSIS NGO Caucuses and Working Groups
> > >>
> > >> Question and Answer Session to immediately follow
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Note: NGOs must have their own accreditation to
> > the UN to participate.
> > >>
> > >> After the briefing, there will be a short meeting
> > of the CONGO ICT
> > >> Task Force and the Task Force on ICTs and
> > Poverty.  All interested
> > >> NGOs are invited to participate.
> > >>
> > >> Sponsored by the Conference of NGOs in
> > Consultative Relationship
> > >> with the United Nations (CONGO)
> > >> website: http://www.ngocongo.org
> > >>
> > >> For more information please contact
> > rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> > >> <flyer WSIS briefing 2.9.04.doc>
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Plenary mailing list
> > > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > >
> >
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> > >
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >
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> > 
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> >
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> 
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 15:17:36 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: conditions minima for CS participation in Tunis
In-Reply-To: <1076164138.1616.29.camel@linux.local>
Message-ID: <20040207151736.10030.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com>

Please see in English below,
Saludos en Espania Beatriz,
Beatriz, Myriam, Jean Louis et les autres collègues et
amis.
Nous devrions agir vite et proposer des solutions pour
que la société civile soit informée dans sa diversité
(les langues et aussi dans ses moyens d'accès à
l'information et a la communication).
Essayons d'être imaginatifs et entreprenant et
proposons des solutions audacieuses pour que plus
jamais l'humiliation de Genève où il fallait mendier
en mauvais anglais un badge pour assister en
observateurs en fin de salle, bien aprés les
représentants des opérateurs privés, aux travaux des
plenières ! 
Qui de nos représentants de la SC n'a pas fait le
travail nécessaire ou n'a pas osé mettre le holla au
pépris et à l'humiliation !
Les choses doivent changer avant Tunis, commençons dès
à présent.
Amitiés
Djilali
Dear Beatriz, Myriam jean Louis and others colleagues
and friends, 
We do must propose as rapidly as possible solutions to
meet the needs of SC in her diversity in languages and
in means to access to the information and
communications means.
Let's be imaginatif and efficient in proposing
ambitious solutions so the affront and humiliation the
SC lived in Geneva will not be possible in the future.
Humiliation when the SC must beg organizators to get a
pass to assist as observer at the back of private
operator representatives in the officials meetings.   

Who among our representatives has did not totally or
not his job consisting in defending and protecting the
SC honnor and dignity.
Things must move before Tunis if we want a recognized
and respected CS if you aim a strong and respected CS.
All the best 
Djilali 


--- Beatriz Busaniche <beatriz@maxmedia.com.ar> wrote:
> Hi
> from the far spanish speaking south, i strongly
> support what Jean Luis
> and DJilali said. It is not only africa and the
> french speaking
> community, the problem is also with the big spanish
> speaking community
> from Latin America, also with the chinese community
> and so.
> 
> I cannot agree that civil society will continue be
> represented just for
> those who could attend every meeting because they
> live in Europe or in
> North America. What happens with the rest of us? 
> 
> I know a lot of people that are interested in follow
> this process but
> it's impossible for them just because they do not
> speak english, which
> kind of world summit are we following ???
> 
> Hola
> desde el lejano e hispano parlante sur, apoyo
> firmemente lo que dijeron
> Jean Louis y Djilali. No se trata solo de los
> africanos y los
> francófonos, también se trata de la enorme comunidad
> hispano hablante y
> de América latina, y lo mismo con la comunidad china
> y todos los dem'sa.
> 
> No puedo estar de acuerdo en que la sociedad civil
> siga siendo
> representada solo por aquellos que pueden estar
> presentes en todoas lasr
> euniones sencillamente porque viven en Europa y en
> norteamerica. Qué
> pasa con el resto de nosotros.
> 
> conozco mucha gente que está interesada en seguir
> este proceso pero les
> resulta imposible sólo porque no hablan inglés. Qué
> clase de Cumbre
> Mundial estamos siguiendo???
> 
> Saludos en españo!
> Beatriz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> El sáb, 07 de 02 de 2004 a las 05:03, djilali
> benamrane escribió:
> > en français plus bas !
> > Dear Myriam, Jean Louis, Ryk and all
> > I support the comment of Myriam and Jean Louis. It
> is
> > time to take the time to decide how to process in
> the
> > future. Those who are well known and experimented
> by
> > the first Phase (Geneva) must propose names and
> > mechanism for provisory representativity of SC.
> For
> > the Tunis phase we do need to equilibrate the
> > representativity regarding the languages (in
> minimum
> > the UN official working languages and so the
> > respective SC especially in the South will be
> better
> > informed and involved in the preparation of the
> > Summit.
> > We must do something to make the representative of
> > Africa more present and more efficient in the
> > preparation and the tenue of the Summit in Tunis.
> > What is doing the SC Bureau if it is functionning
> ?
> > Why is it ne capable to mobilize ressources from
> > Francophonie, France or Canada to unsure the
> > traduction of messages ?
> > Chers Myriam, Jean Louis Ryk et les autres,
> > j'appuie les commentaires de Myriam et de Jean
> Louis,
> > et il serait temps de prendre le temps de
> réfléchir et
> > de proposer des noms et des mécanismes pour
> > représenter dès cette phase la SC, même
> > provisoirement. 
> > Il me tient tout particulièrement à coeur que les
> > langues officielles onusiennes de travail soient
> > équitablement représentées dans le groupe à
> désigner
> > ainsi les SC notamment du Sud de ces langues
> seront
> > mieux informées et mieux impliquées.
> > Que fait le Bureau de la SC s'il existe toujours ?
> > pourquoi ne mobilise t-il pas des moyens au près
> de la
> > francophonie, de la france ou du canada pour
> assurer
> > la traduction des messages ?
> > Nous devrions faire le nécessaire pour que la SC
> > africaine puisse être davantage présente et active
> > dans la préparation et da    
> > --- Fullsack Jean-Louis <jlfullsack@wanadoo.fr>
> wrote:
> > > en français plus loin
> > > Dear Rik
> > > If some of CS members are to attend this meeting
> > > they will partcipate in any
> > > way to the views exchanged. Such a high level
> > > meeting cannot be but official
> > > and hence a risk that some CS participants
> opinions
> > > expressed during it are
> > > considered as "official" by the organisators 
> ...
> > > especially if they are "in
> > > the good (official) direction".
> > > 
> > > Cher Rik
> > > Si certains membres de la SC vont à cette
> réunion,
> > > ils participeront de
> > > toute manière à l'échange de vues. Une réunion à
> si
> > > haut niveau ne peut être
> > > qu'officielle, d'où un risque que les points de
> vue
> > > de participants de la SC
> > > exprimés au cours de celle-ci soient tenus comme
> > > "officiels" par les
> > > organisateurs  ... en particulier s'ils se
> situent
> > > "dans la bonne direction"
> > > (l'officielle).
> > > 
> > > Jean-Louis Fullsack
> > > CSDPTT
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rik Panganiban" <rikp@bluewin.ch>
> > > To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> > > Cc: <governance@lists.cpsr.org>;
> > > <hr-wsis@iris.sgdg.org>;
> > > <wsis-euc@fsfeurope.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 2:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS Briefing,
> Feb 9,
> > > 1400, Rm XXV, Palais
> > > des Nations, Geneva
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi Meryem,
> > > 
> > > My understanding is that this is just an open
> > > invitation for groups to
> > > participate and share information from their own
> > > caucuses and working
> > > groups.  I don't think it is intended to be
> > > comprehensive nor
> > > "official."
> > > 
> > > Rik
> > > 
> > > On 6 févr. 04, at 14:02, Meryem Marzouki wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Thanks Rik for the information. What are these
> > > "Reports from WSIS NGO
> > > > Caucuses and Working Groups", when caucuses
> have
> > > neither been invited,
> > > > nor even informed of this ? What is this
> > > "inclusive" process, which is
> > > > rather a "fait accompli" ?
> > > > Who will speak on behalf of the "WSIS NGO
> Caucuses
> > > and Working Groups"
> > > > ?
> > > > We should firmly protest against this
> situation.
> > > >
> > > > I hope that someone who can attend will inform
> us
> > > of what has been
> > > > said at this meeting.
> > > >
> > > > Meryem
> > > >
> > > > Le vendredi, 6 fév 2004, à 13:26 Europe/Paris,
> Rik
> > > Panganiban a écrit :
> > > >
> > > >> Dear Friends,
> > > >>
> > > >> Apologies for the last minute notice of this
> > > meeting.  We didn't
> > > >> receive the confirmation from the UN of the
> room
> 
=== message truncated ===


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From beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar  Sat Feb  7 15:44:50 2004
From: beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar (Beatriz Busaniche)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [Fwd: Note CS Bureau - 5 February]
Message-ID: <1076168689.1800.39.camel@linux.local>

Hello
for those interested in civil society bureau activities, i forwar this
information from the Foundation Du Devenir.
(sorry, just english and french)

Para aquellos interesados en las actividades de la oficina de sociedad
civil, les reenvio esta inforamci?n de Fundaci?n del Devenir.
(disculpen, solo en ingl?s y franc?s)
saludos!
Beatriz



-----Mensaje reenviado-----

From: Liliane Ursache <liliane.ursache@fdd.org>
To: bureau@geneva2003.org
Subject: Note CS Bureau - 5 February
Date: 05 Feb 2004 18:00:27 +0100

ENGLISH // FRENCH


Dear Members of the Bureau,

Following our latest note to the CS Bureau, we are now in a position to
share some elements of information hereafter:

1. Strategy for WSIS Phase II

During the month of January, a number of discussions were held between
Mr. Utsumi and the Tunisian Minister of Communications on the expected
outputs for Phase II and the process through which to achieve them. The
ITU sees the Phase II as an implementation phase of the Geneva Plan of
Action and would like the Tunis Summit to review implementation, as well
as report on the two Working Groups to be established by Kofi Annan on
1) Internet governance and 2) Financial mechanisms. Kofi Annan has not
yet established the two Working Groups and we have no indication that
this will be done in the near future.

On 26-27 February, the ITU will organise an ITU meeting for its own
members on Internet governance. This will take place outside the WSIS
process. Invitations to non ITU members are at the discretion of the ITU.

The Tunisians for their part, envisage the output of the Summit as being
of a more political nature, in order to give good reasons to the Heads
of States to attend the Summit. They would like the process to focus on
Thematic Conferences and Regional Action Plans.

The overall strategy for Phase II, the steps to be taken, the
compatibility of ITU and Tunisian visions, all this is still very vague.

2. Inter-governmental Bureau

The ambassadors in Geneva are consulting to form the Inter-governmental
Bureau for Phase II. Some countries would like to remain in the Bureau,
others want to join. The overall number should not be modified. The
final composition and selection of a new chairperson could take place in
February/March.

3. Work plan: future meetings

Tunisia will organise a brainstorming session on 4-5 March in Hammamet
(Tunisia). They are considering inviting members of the two Bureaus and
representatives of business groups. The invitation, however, does not
include the travel costs of CS Bureau members.

The 1st Prepcom of Phase II will take place either at end of April
(Tunisia proposal) or beginning of July (ITU proposal). In both cases
the Prepcom would take place in Tunisia.

4. Involvement of civil society in Phase II

Our Civil Society Division team has had several meetings with the
Tunisian Ambassador in Geneva and, last week, with the Minister of
Communications and his team. We put forward that if the civil society is
to be adequately prepared for Phase II, some basic conditions should be
fulfilled. This includes:

- global scope and independence
- transparency in information flows
- efficiency in practical organisation
- human and financial means, including sufficient means to organise
meetings, participate in thematic conferences, Prepcoms and CS Bureau
meetings

The reaction of the Tunisian authorities was positive in theory.
However, they have taken no tangible steps, and have made no formal
commitment to fulfilling these conditions. Based on this, we feel that
it is in the interest of civil society that the basic requirements above
be met formally before concrete steps are taken to involve civil society
in Phase II.

Various very interesting initiatives have been planned by a number of
civil society groups. We would like to make sure that time and energy
dedicated to this process can bear concrete result within the WSIS Phase
II and in the interest of civil society at large.

We would be grateful if you could share your reactions and perspectives
on these issues. In the meantime, we will continue the dialogue with the
ITU and with the Tunisian authorities, and will keep you informed of any
significant developments that may arise.

For the moment, our team has moved at the following address:

Fondation du Devenir
5 chemin Edouard Tavan
CH 1206 Geneva
Tel : 41 22 789 53 80
Fax : 41 22 789 53 82

E-mails:

Alain Clerc : alain.clerc@fdd.org
Louise Lassonde: louise.lassonde@fdd.org
Liliane Ursache : liliane.ursache@fdd.org

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Very best wishes,

Alain, Louise, Liliane


**************************************************
Chers membres du Bureau,

Suite ? notre derni?re note au Bureau SC, nous sommes actuellement plus
? m?me de vous fournir quelques ?l?ments dinformation ci-apr?s:

5. Strat?gie pour la Phase II du SMSI

Au mois de janvier, quelques discussions ont eu lien entre Utsumi et le
Ministre tunisien des communications, sur les r?sultats attendus de la
Phase II et sur les processus ? travers lesquels y parvenir. LUIT
consid?re la Phase II comme la phase de mise en Suvre du Plan daction
de Gen?ve, et souhaite que le Sommet de Tunis puisse passer en revue
cette mise en Suvre, ainsi que le travail des deux groupes de travail
?tablis par Kofi Annan sur 1) la gouvernance de lInternet et 2) les
m?canismes financiers. Pour linstant ces deux groupes nont pas encore
?t? mis en place et nous navons pas dindications sur les prochains
d?veloppements .

Les 26 et 27 f?vrier, lUIT organisera ? lintention de ses membres, une
r?union sur la gouvernance de lInternet. Cette r?union se d?roulera
hors du processus SMSI et linvitation de membres non-UIT reste ? la
discr?tion de lUIT.

Pour leur part, les tunisiens souhaitent que le Sommet de Tunis comporte
des r?sultats de nature plus politique, afin de donner de bonnes raisons
aux Chefs dEtat de participer au Sommet. Ils souhaitent ?galement de
centrer le processus sur des Conf?rences th?matiques et des Plans
daction r?gionaux.

La strat?gie densemble pour la Phase II, les diff?rentes ?tapes et la
compatibilit? entre les visions de lUIT et la Tunisie, tout cela reste
encore tr?s vague.

6. Bureau Inter-governmental

Les ambassadeurs pr?sents ? Gen?ve sont en train de discuter de la
formation du Bureau Inter-gouvernemental pour la Phase II. Certains pays
souhaitent rester membres du Bureau, dautres d?sirent sy joindre. Le
nombre des membres devrait rester le m?me. La composition finale et la
s?lection de dun nouveau Pr?sident devrait avoir lieu en f?vrier/mars.

7. Plan de travail: r?unions futures

La Tunisie organisera une r?union de travail les 4 et 5 mars ? Hammamet
(Tunisie). Il est pr?vu que les membres des deux Bureaux et des
repr?sentants du secteur priv? soient invit?s. Linvitation, toutefois,
ninclut pas les co?ts des voyages des membres de la soci?t? civile.

Le premier Prepcom de la Phase II se tiendra soit ? la fin avril 2004
(proposition tunisienne) ou au d?but juillet 2004 (proposition ITU).
Dans les deux cas, la Prepcom aurait lieu en Tunisie.

8. Participation de la soci?t? civile ? la Phase II

L?quipe de la Division soci?t? civile a rencontr? ? plusieurs reprises
lAmbassadeur de la Tunisie ? Gen?ve, et la semaine pass?e, le Ministre
des Communications et son ?quipe. Nous avons avanc? quune participation
ad?quate de la soci?t? civile dans la Phase II repose sur un nombre de
conditions ?l?mentaires. Celles-ci incluent.

- dimension internationale et ind?pendance
- transparence dans les flux dinformation
- organisation pratique et efficacit?
- moyens humains et financiers, y compris des moyens suffisants pour
organiser des r?unions, participer dans des conf?rences th?matiques,
Prepcoms et r?unions du Bureau CS

La r?action des autorit?s tunisiennes a ?t? positive en th?orie.
Toutefois, elles nont pas pris de dispositions tangibles, et ne sont
pas engag?es pour r?pondre aux conditions ci-dessus. Sur cette base,
nous pensons quil est dans lint?r?t de la soci?t? civile de demander
que ces conditions soient respect?es avant dimpliquer concr?tement la
soci?t? civile dans la Phase II.

Quelques initiatives tr?s int?ressantes ont ?t? pr?vues par un nombre de
groupes de la soci?t? civile. Nous voulons nous assurer que le temps et
l?nergie accord?s au processus peuvent effectivement apporter des
r?sultats concrets dans la Phase II, dans lint?r?t de lensemble de la
soci?t? civile.

Nous vous serions reconnaissants si vous pouviez nous faire part de vos
r?actions sur ces questions. Dans lintervalle, nous continuerons le
dialogue avec lUIT et les autorit?s tunisiennes, et nous vous tiendrons
inform?s sur tout d?veloppement important qui se pr?senterait.

Pour le moment, notre ?quipe a d?m?nag? ? ladresse suivante:

Fondation du Devenir
5 chemin Edouard Tavan
CH 1206 Geneva
Tel : 41 22 789 53 80
Fax : 41 22 789 53 82

E-mails:

Alain Clerc : alain.clerc@fdd.org
Louise Lassonde: louise.lassonde@fdd.org
Liliane Ursache : liliane.ursache@fdd.org

Dans lattente de vos nouvelles, et avec nos meilleures salutations,

Alain, Louise, Liliane


From w.taylor at cqu.edu.au  Sun Feb  8 01:12:11 2004
From: w.taylor at cqu.edu.au (Wallace Taylor)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: Antw: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS Phase 2
Message-ID: <C73A42308A9E56438DEDD76DB6FFC90A01A998C7@executor.cqu.edu.au>

Further to the efforts in Canada and New Zealand,
 The Australian Civil Society through the Roundtable for Australian Civil Society (RACS) prepared a statement for WSIS in Geneva. This should be on the http://www.ciresearch.net/ site this coming week. The debrief with the Australian National Office of the Information Economy following WSIS has agreed that the RACS forum should be continued into the WSIS processes for Tunis. It is expected that this forum will facilitate a number of events across Australia commencing in June 2004 in order to further develop a civil society construct to work in partnership with both the government and the private sectors to develop an integrated approach to the aims of WSIS for Tunis.

Wal Taylor 

-----Original Message-----
From: Liss Jeffrey [mailto:ljeffrey@ecommons.net]
Sent: Friday, 6 February 2004 2:29 AM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: Re: Antw: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS Phase 2



FYI
In Canada, at our well-attended debriefing of Wsis in Ottawa, hosted by 
Canadian Commission for Unesco on February 23, there was support for 
holding local events and possibly a Canadian Summit prior to Tunis. We will 
be discussing these prospects today in Toronto (http://wsis.ecommons.ca), 
in Montreal later this month (February 19), in Winnipeg in early June, and 
will advise of other sessions via this list and all are welcome to post 
Canada-relevant events in the web calendar.
I will write up that Ottawa debriefing following our session today where 
(Liss Jeffrey, Andrew Clement - CPSR, Leslie Chan - Science, David Mason - 
free and open source, C4LD) will all be on our panel discussion of 
Wsis-Smsi from a civil society perspective.
At Marc Raboy's suggestion, we plan to ask the Canadian government to 
support the idea of confirming the CS credentials from Geneva for Tunis. 
Some of us also feel strongly that groups and citizens who know nothing so 
far of the process should now be included in information sessions, and in 
action plans, monitoring and implementation. We intend to keep building our 
web resource to support these initiatives.
Liss J



At 04:53 PM 05/02/2004 +0100, you wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>Adam wrote:
> >Problem I see with the structure is the lack of any regional
>meetings...
> >However, I think we should emphasize the importance of regional
> >meetings and the diversity they enable.
>
>That's a good point, Adam.
>CS should plead for more "regionalism" in the preparatory process.
>Regional meetings are easier accessible for CS participants and from
>many points of view more useful for strengthening regional cooperation
>and effective intervention. The given regional caucus structure in the
>CS-Bureau should be further developed to serve as facilitator
>negotiating the terms for CS particiaption in these meetings.
>
>my x cents..
>Thanks,
>Olga
>
>
> >Just my 5 (euro)cent. ;-)
> >
> >Ralf
> >_______________________________________________
> >Plenary mailing list
> >Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>
>
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  8 11:23:42 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: Antw: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS Phase 2
In-Reply-To: <C73A42308A9E56438DEDD76DB6FFC90A01A998C7@executor.cqu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20040208112342.30359.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com>

Please see in French below !
Dear Wallace,
Good news on what countries like Canada, New Zelande
or Australia are doing as follow up activities post
Geneva and before Tunis.
We all can imagine such approach possible and suitable
in developped countries. Unfortunately, it is more
difficult in underdevelopped countries and it is a
fact that International CS will be at 99,99%
represented in Tunis by North CS (i am not speaking
about the formal participation of South CS like in
Geneva).
It is also a fact than even if the Summit will take
place in an arabic and french speaking country, the
English is and will certainly be the dominant
language.
Whar to do ? how to try to correct this unfair ans
unacceptable situation ? Government are not doing
anything, the United Nations System is not concerned
as well as the private sector ! most of those we can
plead against the poverty are those we live in Africa
and in underdelopped countries. They need access to
information and communication as elementary human
right and not under the market conditions. They must
able to express their hopeless and they reject the
destructor liberalism. 
All the best

Cher Wallace
Ce sont de bonne nouvelles au sujet des initiatives
entreprises au canada, en Nouvelle Zelande ou en
Australie comme suivi du Sommet de Genève et en
préparation de celui de Tunis.
On peut imaginet une telle démarche possible et
souhaitable dans tous les pays développés, elle le
sera plus difficile dans les pays pauvres et l'on peut
gager que la société civile internationales sera à
99,99% représentée par sa composante du Nord à Tunis
(je parle de représentation effective et non de
participation formele alibi comme cela est le cas dans
de telles rencontres).
C'est malheureusement un fait que dans le prochain
sommet qui aura lieu dans un apys arabophone et
francophone la langue anglaise sera dominante et
dominatrice et si les Gouvernements, ni le système
onusien ni les opérateurs privés n'auront envie de
faire bouger les choses et donner une chance à la
société civile africaine, arabe, espagnole,
portuguaise ou chinoise de contribuer utilement aux
débats et de faire des propositions conformes à notre
ambitions de lutte contre la pauvreté. Les populations
de ces pays ont besoin de l'accès à l'information et à
la communication comme un bien public à l'échelle
mondiale, comme un droit humain essentiel pour
exprimer leur désarroi, leur désespérance, leur refus
du libéralisme ravageur.
   
--- Wallace Taylor <w.taylor@cqu.edu.au> wrote:
> Further to the efforts in Canada and New Zealand,
>  The Australian Civil Society through the Roundtable
> for Australian Civil Society (RACS) prepared a
> statement for WSIS in Geneva. This should be on the
> http://www.ciresearch.net/ site this coming week.
> The debrief with the Australian National Office of
> the Information Economy following WSIS has agreed
> that the RACS forum should be continued into the
> WSIS processes for Tunis. It is expected that this
> forum will facilitate a number of events across
> Australia commencing in June 2004 in order to
> further develop a civil society construct to work in
> partnership with both the government and the private
> sectors to develop an integrated approach to the
> aims of WSIS for Tunis.
> 
> Wal Taylor 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Liss Jeffrey [mailto:ljeffrey@ecommons.net]
> Sent: Friday, 6 February 2004 2:29 AM
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Subject: Re: Antw: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure
> of WSIS Phase 2
> 
> 
> 
> FYI
> In Canada, at our well-attended debriefing of Wsis
> in Ottawa, hosted by 
> Canadian Commission for Unesco on February 23, there
> was support for 
> holding local events and possibly a Canadian Summit
> prior to Tunis. We will 
> be discussing these prospects today in Toronto
> (http://wsis.ecommons.ca), 
> in Montreal later this month (February 19), in
> Winnipeg in early June, and 
> will advise of other sessions via this list and all
> are welcome to post 
> Canada-relevant events in the web calendar.
> I will write up that Ottawa debriefing following our
> session today where 
> (Liss Jeffrey, Andrew Clement - CPSR, Leslie Chan -
> Science, David Mason - 
> free and open source, C4LD) will all be on our panel
> discussion of 
> Wsis-Smsi from a civil society perspective.
> At Marc Raboy's suggestion, we plan to ask the
> Canadian government to 
> support the idea of confirming the CS credentials
> from Geneva for Tunis. 
> Some of us also feel strongly that groups and
> citizens who know nothing so 
> far of the process should now be included in
> information sessions, and in 
> action plans, monitoring and implementation. We
> intend to keep building our 
> web resource to support these initiatives.
> Liss J
> 
> 
> 
> At 04:53 PM 05/02/2004 +0100, you wrote:
> 
> >Hi all,
> >
> >Adam wrote:
> > >Problem I see with the structure is the lack of
> any regional
> >meetings...
> > >However, I think we should emphasize the
> importance of regional
> > >meetings and the diversity they enable.
> >
> >That's a good point, Adam.
> >CS should plead for more "regionalism" in the
> preparatory process.
> >Regional meetings are easier accessible for CS
> participants and from
> >many points of view more useful for strengthening
> regional cooperation
> >and effective intervention. The given regional
> caucus structure in the
> >CS-Bureau should be further developed to serve as
> facilitator
> >negotiating the terms for CS particiaption in these
> meetings.
> >
> >my x cents..
> >Thanks,
> >Olga
> >
> >
> > >Just my 5 (euro)cent. ;-)
> > >
> > >Ralf
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Plenary mailing list
> > >Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >
>
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> >
> >
> >--
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> >Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  8 15:00:04 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS Phase 2 - DEMAND 5 Action Plan - A challenge !
In-Reply-To: <20040204003909.95877.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040208150004.17538.qmail@web60710.mail.yahoo.com>

Please read in French below
Amali, and all,
I would like to find a support to civile society in
Niger as example of what we can do for poor
populations women, and younth in a poor country.
I propose to mobilize ressources for getting 10 PC and
two years of access to internet by satellite (AFRIPAT)
or by telecom operator (specialized line)
We can create an free access to internet to
communicate with the world about the Tunis Summit
access open free to associations and women youngs and
person interested by the debate.
This access could be set in a younth communatary
radiobroascasting located near Niamey the Capitale of
Niger. there is no salary and managers there are very
competent and devoted to rurale and communautary
access to information and communication...
The budget of this project could be about 30.000 US $
for 2 years to cover 2004 and 2005.
If you see any possibility different from classical
approach of UNDP, WB and bilatéral cooperation we can
do together thinds quickly.
If this project will be performant, we couls duplicate
it in other countries like Tchad, Burkina Faso, or
Mali
Best regards
Djilali
Amali et les autres,
Je propose de mobiliser des ressources pour monter un
projet exemplaire d'accès gratuit aux jeunes, aux
femmes et aux populations rurales de pays pauvres,
pour promouvoir la participation aux débats sur la
préparation du sommet de Tunis.
Cela consiste en dix PC et un accès de 2 ans avec un
satellite (solution AFRIPAT) ou par ligne spécialisée
fournie par l'opérateur des télécom.
Cet accès pourrait être mis en place dans les locaux
de la radio des jeunes de Niamey où les jeunes
produisent et diffusent des programmes radios qu'ils
peuvent donner au réseau des radios rurales (70 radios
sur tout le territoire nigérien).
Si cette opération à monter en dehors des pratiques du
PNUD, de la banque mondiale et autres coopérations
bilatérales classiques pourrait être faciliment
dupliquer à d'autres pays en cas de succès (burkina,
Tchad, Mali etc...)
Le cout de l'operation serait de l'ordre de 30.000
dollars américain pour les deux années 2004 et 2005.
Amitiés
Djilali
--- Amali De Silva <amalidesilva@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Civil Society,
>  
> Following all these discusions taking place on-line 
> - I think CS in each individual country should at a
> minimum meet the "Demand 5 Action Plan" challenge
> set out below.
>  
> Ask of your governments the following to ensure:
>  
> 1)  CS participation and access
> 2 ) Freedom of expression
>  
> 5 Designated Computer Access Points in each country
> ( internet access ) by March 1, 2004 so that local
> CS can contribute to the WSIS - CS discussions
> on-line !
>  
> If you want a model of what access points are about
> check out www.vcn.bc.ca  !
>  
>  
> Amali De Silva - Mitchell
> President Vancouver Community Network ( Canada )
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Amali De Silva-Mitchell MSc.
> 
> Tel: 1-604-736-9012 & Email: amalidesilva@yahoo.com
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  8 15:43:52 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [Fwd: Note CS Bureau - 5 February]
In-Reply-To: <1076168689.1800.39.camel@linux.local>
Message-ID: <20040208154352.68635.qmail@web60702.mail.yahoo.com>

Please read below this message in French
Beatriz
Congratulations.
Thanks to Fondation du devenir and unfortunately not
to our so called CS representatives in Tunis, we are
better informed on discussions with Tunisian
Government on the Summit preparation.
I agree with the 3 first and general conditions :
 - global scope and independence
 - transparency in information flows
 - efficiency in practical organisation
Concerning the fourth proposal,i thnik that Tunisia
who is not a rich country has not to support alone the
cost of CS participation. Wwe must plead and act for a
budget and mobilize resources from Un Organizations
and rich Governments and countries.
We must open the list and add conditions when we will
agree, especially with contributions from Tunisian SC
on other suitable conditions.
I would like to add some item requiring the solidarity
of international CS before begging Governments and UN
Agencies :
- support from International CS solidarity for opening
one or more free access to Internet and list and group
discussions and support for organization in each poor
country a national precom for Tunis Summit.
- mobilization and sensitizing rurale population, even
by rurale radios on the Tunis Summit challenges, 
- Free and independant CS participation to meetings,
events  and to the Summit and for that availability of
independant resources.
- use of non English languages (as French, Arabic,
Spanish, Portuguese, and so) so long as the Summit is
not the Summit of the only English speaking
populations.
The Tunis Government should be required to make
available Free visa to participants to the Summit
Events and the University permises to receive Sc
Participant coming from poor countries.
All the best
Djilali
Chère Beatriz
Décidement, mille félicitation pour cette information
précieuse venant de la Fondation du devenir et non de
nos soi disant représentants à Tunis, ils jouissent
d'une rente de situation et de pratiques peu
transparentes héritées de la phase préparatoire de
Genève)
Je suis d'accord avec les 3 premiers point des
conditions vagues et générale retenues : 
- approche globale et independance ;
- transparence dans le flux d'informations ;
- efficience dans les pratiques d'organisation ;
le 4ème point me semble discutable pour imputer au
seul Gouvernement tunisien (pays pauvre) la charge de
la participation de la société civile.
Nous devrions ouvrir une liste sur les conditions
supplémentaires que nous pourrions convenir de
préférence avec la société civile tunisienne.
Je voudrai ajouter aussi quelques points qui relève
davantage d'un impératif de solidarité dans la société
civile mondiale SCMavant d'aller quémander aux
gouvernements, aux agences onusiennes et au secteur
privé.
- soutien de la SCM pour l'ouverture d'un accès ou
plus, gratuit dans les pays pauvres pour que les
jeunes, les femmes et les populations rurales puisse
être informées et impliquées des enjeux du Sommet et
appui à l'organisation dans chaque pays pauvre d'un
PRECOM national.
- sensibilisation et mobilisation même par les réseaux
de radios rurales communautaires des populations
rurales pour recuillir leurs préoccupations.
- participations libres et indépendante des sociétés
civiles aux réunions, manifestations et au Sommet de
Tunis.
- l'utilisation d'autres langues que l'Englais tant il
est vrai que le sommet n'est pas celui des seules
populations Anglophones.
Le Gouvernement tunisien devrait être à même de donner
gratuitement des visa d'entrée en Tunisie pour les
participants aux réunions et au Sommet ; il devrait
aussi rendre disponibles les installations des
étudiants pour loger les représentants de la société
civile provenant des pays pauvres.
Amitiés
Djilali
  
  
--- Beatriz Busaniche <beatriz@maxmedia.com.ar> wrote:
> Hello
> for those interested in civil society bureau
> activities, i forwar this
> information from the Foundation Du Devenir.
> (sorry, just english and french)
> 
> Para aquellos interesados en las actividades de la
> oficina de sociedad
> civil, les reenvio esta inforamción de Fundación del
> Devenir.
> (disculpen, solo en inglés y francés)
> saludos!
> Beatriz
> 
> 
> 
> -----Mensaje reenviado-----
> 
> From: Liliane Ursache <liliane.ursache@fdd.org>
> To: bureau@geneva2003.org
> Subject: Note CS Bureau - 5 February
> Date: 05 Feb 2004 18:00:27 +0100
> 
> ENGLISH // FRENCH
> 
> 
> Dear Members of the Bureau,
> 
> Following our latest note to the CS Bureau, we are
> now in a position to
> share some elements of information hereafter:
> 
> 1. Strategy for WSIS Phase II
> 
> During the month of January, a number of discussions
> were held between
> Mr. Utsumi and the Tunisian Minister of
> Communications on the expected
> outputs for Phase II and the process through which
> to achieve them. The
> ITU sees the Phase II as an implementation phase of
> the Geneva Plan of
> Action and would like the Tunis Summit to review
> implementation, as well
> as report on the two Working Groups to be
> established by Kofi Annan on
> 1) Internet governance and 2) Financial mechanisms.
> Kofi Annan has not
> yet established the two Working Groups and we have
> no indication that
> this will be done in the near future.
> 
> On 26-27 February, the ITU will organise an ITU
> meeting for its own
> members on Internet governance. This will take place
> outside the WSIS
> process. Invitations to non ITU members are at the
> discretion of the ITU.
> 
> The Tunisians for their part, envisage the output of
> the Summit as being
> of a more political nature, in order to give good
> reasons to the Heads
> of States to attend the Summit. They would like the
> process to focus on
> Thematic Conferences and Regional Action Plans.
> 
> The overall strategy for Phase II, the steps to be
> taken, the
> compatibility of ITU and Tunisian visions, all this
> is still very vague.
> 
> 2. Inter-governmental Bureau
> 
> The ambassadors in Geneva are consulting to form the
> Inter-governmental
> Bureau for Phase II. Some countries would like to
> remain in the Bureau,
> others want to join. The overall number should not
> be modified. The
> final composition and selection of a new chairperson
> could take place in
> February/March.
> 
> 3. Work plan: future meetings
> 
> Tunisia will organise a brainstorming session on 4-5
> March in Hammamet
> (Tunisia). They are considering inviting members of
> the two Bureaus and
> representatives of business groups. The invitation,
> however, does not
> include the travel costs of CS Bureau members.
> 
> The 1st Prepcom of Phase II will take place either
> at end of April
> (Tunisia proposal) or beginning of July (ITU
> proposal). In both cases
> the Prepcom would take place in Tunisia.
> 
> 4. Involvement of civil society in Phase II
> 
> Our Civil Society Division team has had several
> meetings with the
> Tunisian Ambassador in Geneva and, last week, with
> the Minister of
> Communications and his team. We put forward that if
> the civil society is
> to be adequately prepared for Phase II, some basic
> conditions should be
> fulfilled. This includes:
> 
> - global scope and independence
> - transparency in information flows
> - efficiency in practical organisation
> - human and financial means, including sufficient
> means to organise
> meetings, participate in thematic conferences,
> Prepcoms and CS Bureau
> meetings
> 
> The reaction of the Tunisian authorities was
> positive in theory.
> However, they have taken no tangible steps, and have
> made no formal
> commitment to fulfilling these conditions. Based on
> this, we feel that
> it is in the interest of civil society that the
> basic requirements above
> be met formally before concrete steps are taken to
> involve civil society
> in Phase II.
> 
> Various very interesting initiatives have been
> planned by a number of
> civil society groups. We would like to make sure
> that time and energy
> dedicated to this process can bear concrete result
> within the WSIS Phase
> II and in the interest of civil society at large.
> 
> We would be grateful if you could share your
> reactions and perspectives
> on these issues. In the meantime, we will continue
> the dialogue with the
> ITU and with the Tunisian authorities, and will keep
> you informed of any
> significant developments that may arise.
> 
> For the moment, our team has moved at the following
> address:
> 
> Fondation du Devenir
> 5 chemin Edouard Tavan
> CH 1206 Geneva
> Tel : 41 22 789 53 80
> Fax : 41 22 789 53 82
> 
> E-mails:
> 
> Alain Clerc : alain.clerc@fdd.org
> Louise Lassonde: louise.lassonde@fdd.org
> Liliane Ursache : liliane.ursache@fdd.org
> 
> Looking forward to hearing from you.
> 
> Very best wishes,
> 
> Alain, Louise, Liliane
> 
> 
> **************************************************
> Chers membres du Bureau,
> 
> Suite à notre dernière note au Bureau SC, nous
> sommes actuellement plus
> à même de vous fournir quelques éléments
> dinformation ci-après:
> 
> 5. Stratégie pour la Phase II du SMSI
> 
> Au mois de janvier, quelques discussions ont eu lien
> entre Utsumi et le
> Ministre tunisien des communications, sur les
> résultats attendus de la
> Phase II et sur les processus à travers lesquels y
> parvenir. LUIT
> considère la Phase II comme la phase de mise en
> Suvre du Plan daction
> de Genève, et souhaite que le Sommet de Tunis puisse
> passer en revue
> cette mise en Suvre, ainsi que le travail des deux
> groupes de travail
> établis par Kofi Annan sur 1) la gouvernance de
> lInternet et 2) les
> mécanismes financiers. Pour linstant ces deux
> groupes nont pas encore
> été mis en place et nous navons pas dindications
> sur les prochains
> développements .
> 
> 
=== message truncated ===


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From wolfgang at imv.au.dk  Sun Feb  8 17:57:08 2004
From: wolfgang at imv.au.dk (wolfgang@imv.au.dk)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] AW: RE: Internet Governance in Davos
Message-ID: <E1AptB6-0000Wj-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>

FYI, Kofi Annan has extended the Term of the UN ICT Task Force until the end of 2005.

He has said further that he "has yet to make a final decision on how to organize a Working Group on Internet Governance" but he expressed his view that the forthcoming Global Internet Governance Forum ?will be of great utility for any future consultation process."

see: 
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2004/pi1558.doc.htm

Best

wolfgang







From amalidesilva at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  9 07:27:04 2004
From: amalidesilva at yahoo.com (Amali De Silva)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS Phase 2 - DEMAND 5 Action Plan - A challenge !
In-Reply-To: <20040208150004.17538.qmail@web60710.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040209072704.88918.qmail@web21324.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear All,
 
Please lets try to make a true example of "access for all".
 
I ask all of you ( and some of you know of and are connected to funding sources ) to post funding opportunities for Demand 5 - Action Plan to this list so that CS groups around the world have the open opportunity to participate at WSIS.
 
This will be the real power of Phase II, creating real connectivity to the CS plenary - enabling freedom of expression and true access to all.
 
CS members of the world lets pull together and be a true "informed society" and share with our CS members sources of funding that will enable us to be the first conference to have a true, instantaneous grass roots connection.
 
Those of you with language capabilities - please take on a couple of weeks of translation duties of CS plenary email each - not onerous for any one individual ?
 
Amali
 


djilali benamrane <dbenamrane@yahoo.com> wrote:
Please read in French below
Amali, and all,
I would like to find a support to civile society in
Niger as example of what we can do for poor
populations women, and younth in a poor country.
I propose to mobilize ressources for getting 10 PC and
two years of access to internet by satellite (AFRIPAT)
or by telecom operator (specialized line)
We can create an free access to internet to
communicate with the world about the Tunis Summit
access open free to associations and women youngs and
person interested by the debate.
This access could be set in a younth communatary
radiobroascasting located near Niamey the Capitale of
Niger. there is no salary and managers there are very
competent and devoted to rurale and communautary
access to information and communication...
The budget of this project could be about 30.000 US $
for 2 years to cover 2004 and 2005.
If you see any possibility different from classical
approach of UNDP, WB and bilatéral cooperation we can
do together thinds quickly.
If this project will be performant, we couls duplicate
it in other countries like Tchad, Burkina Faso, or
Mali
Best regards
Djilali
Amali et les autres,
Je propose de mobiliser des ressources pour monter un
projet exemplaire d'accès gratuit aux jeunes, aux
femmes et aux populations rurales de pays pauvres,
pour promouvoir la participation aux débats sur la
préparation du sommet de Tunis.
Cela consiste en dix PC et un accès de 2 ans avec un
satellite (solution AFRIPAT) ou par ligne spécialisée
fournie par l'opérateur des télécom.
Cet accès pourrait être mis en place dans les locaux
de la radio des jeunes de Niamey où les jeunes
produisent et diffusent des programmes radios qu'ils
peuvent donner au réseau des radios rurales (70 radios
sur tout le territoire nigérien).
Si cette opération à monter en dehors des pratiques du
PNUD, de la banque mondiale et autres coopérations
bilatérales classiques pourrait être faciliment
dupliquer à d'autres pays en cas de succès (burkina,
Tchad, Mali etc...)
Le cout de l'operation serait de l'ordre de 30.000
dollars américain pour les deux années 2004 et 2005.
Amitiés
Djilali
--- Amali De Silva wrote:
> Dear Civil Society,
> 
> Following all these discusions taking place on-line 
> - I think CS in each individual country should at a
> minimum meet the "Demand 5 Action Plan" challenge
> set out below.
> 
> Ask of your governments the following to ensure:
> 
> 1) CS participation and access
> 2 ) Freedom of expression
> 
> 5 Designated Computer Access Points in each country
> ( internet access ) by March 1, 2004 so that local
> CS can contribute to the WSIS - CS discussions
> on-line !
> 
> If you want a model of what access points are about
> check out www.vcn.bc.ca !
> 
> 
> Amali De Silva - Mitchell
> President Vancouver Community Network ( Canada )
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Amali De Silva-Mitchell MSc.
> 
> Tel: 1-604-736-9012 & Email: amalidesilva@yahoo.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


=====
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Tél/Fax : (331) 01 45 39 77 02 Paris - France
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From lachapelle at openwsis.org  Mon Feb  9 11:38:23 2004
From: lachapelle at openwsis.org (Bertrand de LA CHAPELLE)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: WSIS Briefing, Feb 9, 1400, Rm XXV, Palais des Nations, Geneva
Message-ID: <200402091138.BCM48513@ms7.verisignmail.com>

Hi Ralf, Hi all,

I did not mention it because I actually thought the 
invitation had been sent already, as Renate asked me to 
participate something like last week. 

But you are right, mentionning the day and time could have 
been done before knowing where the session took place. 

Bertrand


---- Original message ----
>Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:57:26 +0100
>From: Ralf Bendrath <ralf.bendrath@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>  
>Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: WSIS Briefing, Feb 9, 1400, 
Rm XXV, Palais des Nations, Geneva  
>To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
>Hi all,
>
>I think Meryem is at least partly right. 
>
>First of all, I really apprechiate CONGO's efforts to keep 
us NGOs
>involved here and maintain a dialogue with the WSIS 
organizers.
>
>But we can not be so naive and think this is just informal 
when so many
>high-level officials are taking part. 
>To invite to this Monday meeting on a Friday afternoon is 
really not
>nice by the way. CONGO should have told us in advance, even 
before
>knowing the exact room number. Then all caucuses would have 
had time to
>prepare something. 
>I also wonder why Bertrand did not let us know about this 
since he is on
>the speakers list.
>
>Ok, I know you are all busy, but we really need to maintain 
the spirit
>of transparency and trust here. 
>
>So, those who are going there: Please report back to the 
list!
>
>Have a nice weekend,
>
>Ralf
>_______________________________________________
>Plenary mailing list
>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
Bertrand de LA CHAPELLE
OpenWSIS Initiative
lachapelle@openwsis.org
tel : 33 (0)6 11 88 33 32


About OpenWSIS 
OpenWSIS Initiative is piloting an open consultation and 
cooperation process for all categories of stakeholders to 
jointly identify and formalize Issues of Common Concern 
or Interest (ICCIs), to facilitate implementation of the 
WSIS Action Plan between  Geneva and Tunis.

A propos de l'OpenWSIS
OpenWSIS est un processus pilote de 
consultation et de coop?ration visant ? faciliter l'identification et la formalisation par toutes les parties prenantes concern?es 
des sujets de pr?occupation ou d'int?r?t communs 
(SPICs)qui faciliteront la mise en oeuvre du plan d'action 
du SMSI pendant la p?riode de Gen?ve ? Tunis.

From rguerra at cpsr.org  Mon Feb  9 17:43:41 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [Announcement] Canadian WSIS/CMSI mailing list
Message-ID: <2147483647.1076330621@[192.168.0.56]>

Given the increasing level of interest and activity in regards to the UN 
world summit on the information society in Canada, the Vancouver 
Community network (VCN) has graciously setup a mailing list.

It is the hope that the Canadian wsis-cmsi list will provide a space for 
discussions, commentary, networking and dialog between not only for 
civil society but also bring in the media, government at the local, 
provincial and federal level as well as the business sector.

To subscribe to the list and/or look at the archives, please visit the 
following URL:

<http://vancouvercommunity.net/lists/info/wsis-cmsi>

Please do forward news of this to others who might find it of interest 
and/or who might not be on this list.

Again, many thanks to VCN for providing this resource.

regards,

Robert Guerra
WSIS Focal Point, Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR)
Focal point for North America & Europe, WSIS Civil Society Bureau





From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  9 18:16:24 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [Announcement] Canadian WSIS/CMSI mailing list
In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1076330621@[192.168.0.56]>
Message-ID: <20040209181624.62467.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com>

Cher Robert, vous assumez sans aucun doute une trés
grande responsabilité en votre qualité de FOCAL POINT
pour l'Amérique du Nord et l'Europe.... Je compte sur
vous pour trouver le moyen de traduire vos messages en
Français ou en toute autres langues utiles à l'adresse
des cousins francophones, luzophone ou espanophone du
Canada et de l'Europe, même s'ils sont en grande
minorité et en grande misère de représentativité.
Si les impératifs de tenir compte de la diversité
linguistiques ne sont pas pris en considération, il y
a de fortes chances que nous allons être confrontés à
de trés graves problèmes et je ne donnerais pas cher
du devenir du sommet de Tunis... Conseil, évitons de
cristaliser les frustrations sur de faux problèmes.
Amitiés
Djilali
Dera Robert, Certainly you have large responsabilities
 as focal point for North America et Europa. You do
must find solution to translate your important
messages in another lunguage in addition to the
English. You must do it for the poor and miseable
cosins in canada and in Europe who are not English
Speaking. If the diversity lunguages needs are not
meet, we should expect big problem in the future and
Tunis Summit could meet huge problems.... 
Let's avoid difficulties, it is yet time to find a
relevant solution.
All the best
Djilali

--- Robert Guerra <rguerra@cpsr.org> wrote:
> Given the increasing level of interest and activity
> in regards to the UN 
> world summit on the information society in Canada,
> the Vancouver 
> Community network (VCN) has graciously setup a
> mailing list.
> 
> It is the hope that the Canadian wsis-cmsi list will
> provide a space for 
> discussions, commentary, networking and dialog
> between not only for 
> civil society but also bring in the media,
> government at the local, 
> provincial and federal level as well as the business
> sector.
> 
> To subscribe to the list and/or look at the
> archives, please visit the 
> following URL:
> 
> <http://vancouvercommunity.net/lists/info/wsis-cmsi>
> 
> Please do forward news of this to others who might
> find it of interest 
> and/or who might not be on this list.
> 
> Again, many thanks to VCN for providing this
> resource.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Robert Guerra
> WSIS Focal Point, Computer Professionals for Social
> Responsibility (CPSR)
> Focal point for North America & Europe, WSIS Civil
> Society Bureau
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


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From ljeffrey at ecommons.net  Mon Feb  9 19:26:26 2004
From: ljeffrey at ecommons.net (Liss Jeffrey)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Canadian WSIS/CMSI web site 
In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1076330621@[192.168.0.56]>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040209141833.03f6fae0@141.117.45.50>


Lots of action in Canada!

The directory of Canadian civil society groups and individuals, and the 
inventory of projects are launching this week on the civil society web site.
http://wsis.ecommons.ca
http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca

Register if you wish to take part.
You can get email notification of info posted on the web site, or forum 
contributions, should you so choose.
The wsis-smsi e-list will launch this week once we have the reports from 
the Unesco civil society briefing in Ottawa ready.
The netcast from the lively Toronto meeting (Feb. 5) is now online, the 
slide shows are to come, and we will meet with colleagues in Montreal on 
February 19th, and report further.

Thanks all
Liss Jeffrey
eCommons/agora 
From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Mon Feb  9 21:08:49 2004
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Fullsack Jean-Louis)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: WSIS Briefing, Feb 9, 1400, Rm XXV, Palais des Nations, Geneva
References: <200402091138.BCM48513@ms7.verisignmail.com>
Message-ID: <006b01c3ef50$ea803a00$0a00000a@default>

English below

Bonjour Bertrand et tous
Je suis surpris de lire ton message envoy? probablement ... pendant la pause
de la r?union pour laquelle justement nous (les membres de la SC) nous
interrogions depuis quelques jours, d'une part quant aux participants
"s?lectionn?s" par l'?minent Utsumi dans le camp de la SC, d'autre part sur
ce qu'ils pouvaient bien y dire ... et rapporter ? la SC.
J'esp?re que tu ne nous priveras pas de ces informations a posteri
Cordialement

PS : tu peux nous parler en fran?ais : nous le pratiquons toujours.

Hi  Bertrand and all
I'm surprised for reading your message probably sent .. during a pause of
the meeting we (the CS members) were precisely wondering for some days whom
from our members will be "selected" by the prominent Utsumi and what they
should tell there ... and report to the CS.
I do hope you won't deprive us from these after-the-event informations
Regards

NB : please forgive my poor english : I do far better write and read in
french

Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bertrand de LA CHAPELLE" <lachapelle@openwsis.org>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: WSIS Briefing, Feb 9, 1400, Rm XXV,
Palais des Nations, Geneva


Hi Ralf, Hi all,

I did not mention it because I actually thought the
invitation had been sent already, as Renate asked me to
participate something like last week.

But you are right, mentionning the day and time could have
been done before knowing where the session took place.

Bertrand


---- Original message ----
>Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:57:26 +0100
>From: Ralf Bendrath <ralf.bendrath@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
>Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: WSIS Briefing, Feb 9, 1400,
Rm XXV, Palais des Nations, Geneva
>To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
>Hi all,
>
>I think Meryem is at least partly right.
>
>First of all, I really apprechiate CONGO's efforts to keep
us NGOs
>involved here and maintain a dialogue with the WSIS
organizers.
>
>But we can not be so naive and think this is just informal
when so many
>high-level officials are taking part.
>To invite to this Monday meeting on a Friday afternoon is
really not
>nice by the way. CONGO should have told us in advance, even
before
>knowing the exact room number. Then all caucuses would have
had time to
>prepare something.
>I also wonder why Bertrand did not let us know about this
since he is on
>the speakers list.
>
>Ok, I know you are all busy, but we really need to maintain
the spirit
>of transparency and trust here.
>
>So, those who are going there: Please report back to the
list!
>
>Have a nice weekend,
>
>Ralf
>_______________________________________________
>Plenary mailing list
>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
Bertrand de LA CHAPELLE
OpenWSIS Initiative
lachapelle@openwsis.org
tel : 33 (0)6 11 88 33 32


About OpenWSIS
OpenWSIS Initiative is piloting an open consultation and
cooperation process for all categories of stakeholders to
jointly identify and formalize Issues of Common Concern
or Interest (ICCIs), to facilitate implementation of the
WSIS Action Plan between  Geneva and Tunis.

A propos de l'OpenWSIS
OpenWSIS est un processus pilote de
consultation et de coop?ration visant ? faciliter l'identification et la
formalisation par toutes les parties prenantes concern?es
des sujets de pr?occupation ou d'int?r?t communs
(SPICs)qui faciliteront la mise en oeuvre du plan d'action
du SMSI pendant la p?riode de Gen?ve ? Tunis.
_______________________________________________
Plenary mailing list
Plenary@wsis-cs.org
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


From ljeffrey at ecommons.net  Mon Feb  9 22:44:49 2004
From: ljeffrey at ecommons.net (Liss Jeffrey)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] SMSI site web au Canada  
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040209141833.03f6fae0@141.117.45.50>
References: <2147483647.1076330621@[192.168.0.56]>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040209174242.04177278@141.117.45.50>

Skipped content of type multipart/alternative
From rguerra at cpsr.org  Mon Feb  9 23:26:57 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] SMSI site web au Canada  
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040209174242.04177278@141.117.45.50>
References: <2147483647.1076330621@[192.168.0.56]>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20040209174242.04177278@141.117.45.50>
Message-ID: <2147483647.1076351217@[192.168.0.56]>

Jean-Philippe and Liss:

are you referring to the wsis-cs.org or www.geneva2003.org site? as they 
are the only, semi-official civil sites.

In canada - there's isn't such a site, at least not yet. if there's 
anything close - i'd say it's the site mentioned at the Unesco debrief 
in Ottawa - The site created by The World Forum on Community Networking 
well over a year ago. Not recognize their efforts, and tri-lingual 
website is to be ignorant of what others having been doing already 
around WSIS in Canada

<http://www.globalcn.org/>


regards

Robert



--On Monday, February 9, 2004 5:44 PM -0500 Liss Jeffrey 
<ljeffrey@ecommons.net> wrote:

>
> ?a bouge au Canada !
>
> D?s cette semaine, sur le site de la soci?t? civile, il y aura le
> lancement
> de l'annuaire des groupes canadiens de la soci?t? civile et des
> particuliers
> ainsi qu'une liste de projets.
> http://wsis.ecommons.ca
> http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca
>
> Enregistrez-vous pour participer. Si vous le d?sirez, un message
> ?lectronique vous avertira des ajouts d'information au site et des
> nouvelles
> contributions au forum. La liste ?lectronique du smsi-wsis arrivera
> cette
> semaine, une fois que les comptes rendus sur la rencontre de l'UNESCO ?
> Ottawa seront pr?ts. La rencontre de Toronto (5 f?v.) est maintenant
> disponible en ligne et le diaporama ne saurait tarder. Il y aura une
> rencontre avec des coll?gues ? Montr?al le 19 f?vrier. Un rapport
> suivra.
>
> Merci
> Jean-Philippe Grou
> et Liss Jeffrey
>
>
> At 02:26 PM 09/02/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> Lots of action in Canada!
>>
>> The directory of Canadian civil society groups and individuals, and
>> the  inventory of projects are launching this week on the civil
>> society web site. http://wsis.ecommons.ca
>> http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca
>>
>> Register if you wish to take part.
>> You can get email notification of info posted on the web site, or
>> forum  contributions, should you so choose.
>> The wsis-smsi e-list will launch this week once we have the reports
>> from  the Unesco civil society briefing in Ottawa ready.
>> The netcast from the lively Toronto meeting (Feb. 5) is now online,
>> the  slide shows are to come, and we will meet with colleagues in
>> Montreal on  February 19th, and report further.
>>
>> Thanks all
>> Liss Jeffrey
>> eCommons/agora
>



From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 10 08:35:30 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: WSIS Briefing, Feb 9, 1400, Rm XXV, Palais des Nations, Geneva
In-Reply-To: <006b01c3ef50$ea803a00$0a00000a@default>
Message-ID: <20040210083530.51729.qmail@web60707.mail.yahoo.com>

See in bad English below
Jean Louis,
Bertrand y vienfra à écrire ou à faire traduire ses
textes dans la langue de Molière, mais que cela ne
nous fasse pas oublier l'essentiel... ceux qui parlent
au nom de la SC que disent-ils, au nom de qui ? qui
les a mandaté pour poursuivre ? pour dire quoi ?
Mettons nous d'accord sur des points minima pour que
quiconque parlera au nom de la SC y fasse référence.
Amitiés
Jean Louis,
Don't worry, Bertrand will be obliged to send his
messages in English and in other languages directly or
after translation.
But this discussion must not hide the principal : who
is speaking on the name of CS ? to say what ? and how
to report ?
Let's agree on some basic item so in the future any
speaker on the name of the CS will refere and report.
The best
Djilali 
--- Fullsack Jean-Louis <jlfullsack@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> English below
> 
> Bonjour Bertrand et tous
> Je suis surpris de lire ton message envoyé
> probablement ... pendant la pause
> de la réunion pour laquelle justement nous (les
> membres de la SC) nous
> interrogions depuis quelques jours, d'une part quant
> aux participants
> "sélectionnés" par l'éminent Utsumi dans le camp de
> la SC, d'autre part sur
> ce qu'ils pouvaient bien y dire ... et rapporter à
> la SC.
> J'espère que tu ne nous priveras pas de ces
> informations a posteri
> Cordialement
> 
> PS : tu peux nous parler en français : nous le
> pratiquons toujours.
> 
> Hi  Bertrand and all
> I'm surprised for reading your message probably sent
> .. during a pause of
> the meeting we (the CS members) were precisely
> wondering for some days whom
> from our members will be "selected" by the prominent
> Utsumi and what they
> should tell there ... and report to the CS.
> I do hope you won't deprive us from these
> after-the-event informations
> Regards
> 
> NB : please forgive my poor english : I do far
> better write and read in
> french
> 
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> CSDPTT
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bertrand de LA CHAPELLE"
> <lachapelle@openwsis.org>
> To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 12:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: WSIS Briefing,
> Feb 9, 1400, Rm XXV,
> Palais des Nations, Geneva
> 
> 
> Hi Ralf, Hi all,
> 
> I did not mention it because I actually thought the
> invitation had been sent already, as Renate asked me
> to
> participate something like last week.
> 
> But you are right, mentionning the day and time
> could have
> been done before knowing where the session took
> place.
> 
> Bertrand
> 
> 
> ---- Original message ----
> >Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:57:26 +0100
> >From: Ralf Bendrath
> <ralf.bendrath@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
> >Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: WSIS Briefing, Feb
> 9, 1400,
> Rm XXV, Palais des Nations, Geneva
> >To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I think Meryem is at least partly right.
> >
> >First of all, I really apprechiate CONGO's efforts
> to keep
> us NGOs
> >involved here and maintain a dialogue with the WSIS
> organizers.
> >
> >But we can not be so naive and think this is just
> informal
> when so many
> >high-level officials are taking part.
> >To invite to this Monday meeting on a Friday
> afternoon is
> really not
> >nice by the way. CONGO should have told us in
> advance, even
> before
> >knowing the exact room number. Then all caucuses
> would have
> had time to
> >prepare something.
> >I also wonder why Bertrand did not let us know
> about this
> since he is on
> >the speakers list.
> >
> >Ok, I know you are all busy, but we really need to
> maintain
> the spirit
> >of transparency and trust here.
> >
> >So, those who are going there: Please report back
> to the
> list!
> >
> >Have a nice weekend,
> >
> >Ralf
> >_______________________________________________
> >Plenary mailing list
> >Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> Bertrand de LA CHAPELLE
> OpenWSIS Initiative
> lachapelle@openwsis.org
> tel : 33 (0)6 11 88 33 32
> 
> 
> About OpenWSIS
> OpenWSIS Initiative is piloting an open consultation
> and
> cooperation process for all categories of
> stakeholders to
> jointly identify and formalize Issues of Common
> Concern
> or Interest (ICCIs), to facilitate implementation of
> the
> WSIS Action Plan between  Geneva and Tunis.
> 
> A propos de l'OpenWSIS
> OpenWSIS est un processus pilote de
> consultation et de coopération visant à faciliter
> l'identification et la
> formalisation par toutes les parties prenantes
> concernées
> des sujets de préoccupation ou d'intérêt communs
> (SPICs)qui faciliteront la mise en oeuvre du plan
> d'action
> du SMSI pendant la période de Genève à Tunis.
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
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>
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> 
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 10 08:40:19 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] SMSI site web au Canada  
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040209174242.04177278@141.117.45.50>
Message-ID: <20040210084019.52796.qmail@web60707.mail.yahoo.com>

Merci Liss
A vous lire enfin en Français, on se sent plus
impliqué et plus respecté... On suivra les productions
et débats sur vos sites et tenterons d'en faire
bénéficier les autres.
Continuons sur cette voie et nous réussirons ensemble
Amitiés
Djilali
Thanks Liss
We are happy to read your messages in French as well
as in English. We feel more involved and more
considred....
We will follow up and use your website and try to make
it benefiting to others.
We are on the good way, let's continue !
All the best
Djilali 
--- Liss Jeffrey <ljeffrey@ecommons.net> wrote:
> 
> Ça bouge au Canada !
> 
> Dès cette semaine, sur le site de la société civile,
> il y aura le lancement
> de l'annuaire des groupes canadiens de la société
> civile et des particuliers
> ainsi qu'une liste de projets.
> http://wsis.ecommons.ca
> http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca
> 
> Enregistrez-vous pour participer. Si vous le
> désirez, un message
> électronique vous avertira des ajouts d'information
> au site et des nouvelles
> contributions au forum. La liste électronique du
> smsi-wsis arrivera cette
> semaine, une fois que les comptes rendus sur la
> rencontre de l'UNESCO à
> Ottawa seront prêts. La rencontre de Toronto (5
> fév.) est maintenant
> disponible en ligne et le diaporama ne saurait
> tarder. Il y aura une
> rencontre avec des collègues à Montréal le 19
> février. Un rapport suivra.
> 
> Merci
> Jean-Philippe Grou
> et Liss Jeffrey
> 
> 
> At 02:26 PM 09/02/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> 
> >Lots of action in Canada!
> >
> >The directory of Canadian civil society groups and
> individuals, and the 
> >inventory of projects are launching this week on
> the civil society web site.
> >http://wsis.ecommons.ca
> >http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca
> >
> >Register if you wish to take part.
> >You can get email notification of info posted on
> the web site, or forum 
> >contributions, should you so choose.
> >The wsis-smsi e-list will launch this week once we
> have the reports from 
> >the Unesco civil society briefing in Ottawa ready.
> >The netcast from the lively Toronto meeting (Feb.
> 5) is now online, the 
> >slide shows are to come, and we will meet with
> colleagues in Montreal on 
> >February 19th, and report further.
> >
> >Thanks all
> >Liss Jeffrey
> >eCommons/agora
> 
> 


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From rikp at bluewin.ch  Tue Feb 10 13:31:24 2004
From: rikp at bluewin.ch (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] report on WSIS Briefing, 9 Feb, Geneva
Message-ID: <6BEFFD64-5BCD-11D8-BC27-000A95EA981E@bluewin.ch>

Report on CONGO WSIS Briefing
9 February 2004, 1400-1600
Palais des Nations

Notes by Rik Panganiban.  Others who were there are invited to correct, 
amend and add to these notes, if they wish.


Renata Bloem, President, CONGO
Ms. Bloem introduced the speakers on panel.  She noted that this 
meeting is one of the regular briefings on relevant UN issues organized 
CONGO.  The occasion for this meeting was a visit by the Minister of IT 
in Tunisia, who expressed his commitment to civil society participation 
in Phase II.


H.E. Mr. Habib Mansour, Tunisia Delegation to the WSIS
Expressed pleasure at being able to address civil society today.  
Thanked  Ms. Bloem and the civil society bureau for this initiative to 
mobilize different actors associated with the Information Society:  
governments, the private sector, intergovernmental organizations, and 
civil society.
	Civil society has contributed much to the documents.  Civil Society is 
an integral part of the  transformation to the Information Society.  We 
have identified the principles and the actions in the documents.
The same spirit and modalities employed in the Geneva phase will 
continue into the Tunis phase.


Bloem	
So the same rules of procedures in Geneva will continue up to Tunisia.


H.E. Mr. Daniel Stauffacher, Swiss Delegation to the WSIS
We have achieved a great deal already in the Geneva phase.  We have 
strong language in the Geneva Declaration on human rights and the 
media.  The Plan of Action is a good start.  It still needs improving 
and deepening.
	Two important tasks have been given to the UN Secretary General: 
internet governance and financing.  We see two priorities.  1. 
Implementation of plan of action. We need action on the ground.  2. We 
need to maintain this level of participation from CS, business and 
media.


Bloem: It would be good to see continued support for civil society 
participation from the Swiss.


Charles Geiger, Head of WSIS Executive Secretariat
Mr. Geiger noted that the WSIS-Geneva put the issue of the information 
society on the agenda of world leaders. Where do we go from here?  The 
way ahead is not fully clear.
	Tunisia is inviting the bureaus of the governments and civil society, 
the coordinating board of business interlocutors, and the high-level 
summit organizing committee to a meeting from 3-4 March in Tunis.  It 
will be an informal brainstorming session.  It will not produce a 
document.
	The ?Arrangements for the Tunis Phase of the Summit? document agreed 
in December by governments notes that there will be a  preparatory 
meeting to take place in 1st half of 2004. The government Bureau has to 
give indications of when the meeting should be held.  The ITU has 
problem with May and June.  So possibly late April, or early July.  
This meeting may be in Tunis.
	The rules of procedure do not change.  Accreditation is an ongoing 
process.
	The civil society division had to be dismantled because of lack of 
money.  The Executive secretariat is temporarily taking over functions 
of the civil society division, including accreditation. We can not take 
over their website. New accreditations of NGOs will occur on the ITU 
website. Groups will have to download a fax form and fax it to the ITU.
	On the Working Group on Internet Governance,  the ITU is having a 
meeting on internet governance, which is only for ITU members.  The UN 
ICT Task Force will be meeting 25-26 March in New York.  This will be a 
preliminary meeting leading to the working group that will be 
established by the UN Secretary General.  The ITU nor the UN ICT Task 
Force will be the official working group.  The working group will be 
bigger with all stakeholders involved.
	On the working group on financing, there is no initiative that I know 
about at this stage.
	On Internet security, the  ITU might have a thematic meeting on this 
in the 2nd half of the year. Other themes could be taken up by 
international organizations.  UNESCO could take up role of ICTs and 
education.  ITU could take up spam.
	Ethics in the information society could be overarching theme in 2nd 
phase.
	Most UN summits have failed in implementation. We have a 2nd phase 
where we can focus much more on implementation.  Much to do in national 
and regional implementation.


Monsou
	Tunisia will be supporting staff to be responsible for civil society 
to be part of the civil society division of the secretariat, similar to 
the role that the Swiss hosts played.   The Tunisian government will 
support civil society participation in Tunis, particularly those from 
less developed countries.


Alain Clerc, Civil Society Division, WSIS Executive Secretariat
CS has played a role important.  60% of content in final texts came 
from civil society.
	Civil society have to organize themselves to participate effectively 
in the debate. Civil society needs to be able to participate in the 
negotiations. The structures that we have put into place have been 
effective, i.e. the plenary, virtual plenary, and the bureau and its 
families.
	Is Tunisia to be the implementation of Geneva?  It would be hard to 
see much progress in two years.  Tunis cannot be just about evaluating 
implementation.	


Bertrand de la Chapelle, WSIS-online.net
The Declaration and Action Plan from Geneva represents an agenda, a 
list of issues, within which work among the stakeholders can be 
organized.  It is important for people to be able to identify other 
people and groups that are working in the same domain and bring those 
people together.
	WSIS-online.net is a platform that continues beyond December 2003.  It 
will serve those actors involved in the Action Plan. We want to create 
a platform that can serve everyone.
	The 3 functions of WSIS-online: (1) put actors in contact with each 
other; (2)  Identify projects; (3)  facilitate consultations around 
certain themes, such as internet governance.  Allow those online to 
participate in the discussions.
	De la Chappelle was impressed that the meeting at the last prepcom 
conducted by Tunis on phase II was very open to civil society.  He 
hoped that this forms the beginning of an open process.


Bill Drake, Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility
Mr. Drake has been active in the ICT governance civil society caucus. 
The Caucus has a group of people with a lot of expertise in these 
areas.  We have tried to weigh in on this process, including having 
text in the civil society declaration.
	We are not participating in ITU meeting as a group because we weren?t 
invited on that basis. We aren?t a sector member, we aren?t a legal 
entity. It is unclear on how the caucus can be involved.  It remains a 
real problem.
	There is some controversy around families versus working groups and 
caucuses represented on the civil society bureau. So some of the most 
active groups are not represented on this important body. He posed a 
challenge to the Tunisia organizers and the rest of us: how to involve 
those organizations that aren?t represented on the bureau?


Representative of International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH)
The FIDH representative raised issue of which groups will be accredited 
for the Tunis phase.  She noted that  accredited NGOs need a legal 
identity in their own country, however  some Tunisian groups do not 
have legal status in Tunisia and so can not participate.
During the WSIS 1st phase, Tunisia declared that they did not violate 
any human rights.  However independent inquiries from FIDH and ICJ into 
Tunisia were refused.

Mansour
We did not choose the bureaus.  Every member of the bureau can come by 
themselves, or can delegate someone as a specialist.
	In Tunisia, we will ensure participation by every stakeholder, 
including civil society.  There are only the rules of procedure agreed 
upon.  Every accredited NGOs will be welcomed, even the ones that 
criticize Tunisia.  Tunisia respects its international commitments and 
its internal laws.  No one is above the law in Tunisia.  We do not have 
any problem with violation of human rights in Tunisia.  These are 
allegations without support.
	We invite NGOs to come and see what the situation is really in Tunisia.


Geiger
It is the role of the UN Secretary General to compose the working 
groups.  There are no deadlines for when this must happen, but by March 
or April the Secretary General should make a decision.


Bloem
The Bureau is only constituted to only concern itself with process.  If 
there are also content issues going to be raised, than we need someone 
from Content and Themes to participate in the March meeting.


Rik Panganiban, WFM/CONGO
Will there be regional meetings? Are there no plans for a financing 
meeting as of yet?  Financing is of great importance to many NGOs, 
particularly those from the South.


Mansour
The regional process is part of the official decision on arrangements 
for Tunis.  The text calls for thematic conferences, as well as 
national, regional and international level meetings.


Geiger
The 2nd phase is more thematic oriented.  But there will probably be 
regional meetings.  Africa, and Latin America interested in having 
regional meetings.  These meetings will be nformal and non-binding.


Senegalese representative
Can our delegation participate in the informal March meeting?


Mansour
It is up to the Bureaus to decide who participates.  The government 
bureau is having some difficulty re-constituting itself since there are 
more candidates than there are slots for each region.


Report by Rik Panganiban
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From ljeffrey at ecommons.net  Tue Feb 10 19:52:32 2004
From: ljeffrey at ecommons.net (Liss Jeffrey)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] SMSI site web au Canada  
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Merci!

At 12:40 AM 10/02/2004 -0800, you wrote:

>Merci Liss
>A vous lire enfin en Fran?ais, on se sent plus
>impliqu? et plus respect?... On suivra les productions
>et d?bats sur vos sites et tenterons d'en faire
>b?n?ficier les autres.
>Continuons sur cette voie et nous r?ussirons ensemble
>Amiti?s
>Djilali
>Thanks Liss
>We are happy to read your messages in French as well
>as in English. We feel more involved and more
>considred....
>We will follow up and use your website and try to make
>it benefiting to others.
>We are on the good way, let's continue !
>All the best
>Djilali
>--- Liss Jeffrey <ljeffrey@ecommons.net> wrote:
> >
> > ?a bouge au Canada !
> >
> > D?s cette semaine, sur le site de la soci?t? civile,
> > il y aura le lancement
> > de l'annuaire des groupes canadiens de la soci?t?
> > civile et des particuliers
> > ainsi qu'une liste de projets.
> > http://wsis.ecommons.ca
> > http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca
> >
> > Enregistrez-vous pour participer. Si vous le
> > d?sirez, un message
> > ?lectronique vous avertira des ajouts d'information
> > au site et des nouvelles
> > contributions au forum. La liste ?lectronique du
> > smsi-wsis arrivera cette
> > semaine, une fois que les comptes rendus sur la
> > rencontre de l'UNESCO ?
> > Ottawa seront pr?ts. La rencontre de Toronto (5
> > f?v.) est maintenant
> > disponible en ligne et le diaporama ne saurait
> > tarder. Il y aura une
> > rencontre avec des coll?gues ? Montr?al le 19
> > f?vrier. Un rapport suivra.
> >
> > Merci
> > Jean-Philippe Grou
> > et Liss Jeffrey
> >
> >
> > At 02:26 PM 09/02/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> > >Lots of action in Canada!
> > >
> > >The directory of Canadian civil society groups and
> > individuals, and the
> > >inventory of projects are launching this week on
> > the civil society web site.
> > >http://wsis.ecommons.ca
> > >http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca
> > >
> > >Register if you wish to take part.
> > >You can get email notification of info posted on
> > the web site, or forum
> > >contributions, should you so choose.
> > >The wsis-smsi e-list will launch this week once we
> > have the reports from
> > >the Unesco civil society briefing in Ottawa ready.
> > >The netcast from the lively Toronto meeting (Feb.
> > 5) is now online, the
> > >slide shows are to come, and we will meet with
> > colleagues in Montreal on
> > >February 19th, and report further.
> > >
> > >Thanks all
> > >Liss Jeffrey
> > >eCommons/agora
> >
> >
>
>
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From ljeffrey at ecommons.net  Tue Feb 10 20:18:10 2004
From: ljeffrey at ecommons.net (Liss Jeffrey)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: long reply Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] SMSI site web au Canada  
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My Dear Robert:

I must admit that I would not have started this thread, certainly not on a 
global forum, and find surprising the idea that you are now implying that a 
Canadian civil society initiative does not exist, and is not welcome? 
Robert, I do not know how you act usually, however calling people 
"ignorant" is not exactly civil, particularly when you have your facts 
wrong. Since we have links to the important community networking global 
site to which you refer (and which is not a Canada specific site) you may 
wish to revise your erroneous views.

It is well known that there is a web site for Canadian civil society. It 
was launched in Geneva, a matter that you are fully aware of. We reported 
from Geneva and have done much work to continue to inform Canadians and 
provide a growing platform for Canadian views and voices.
There continues to be only one specific place for Canadian civil society to 
discuss our next steps, this web site http://wsis.ecommons.ca ,
with its French sister site http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca .
Naturally, we pay close attention to developments elsewhere, cite our 
sources, and feature links so that people can find what matters to them. We 
have been working on these goals in various arenas for a very long time, 
and wish others to know about important work taking place.

You have been kept informed of this important C2C resource from the outset. 
We had asked for and expected your help. When we started the Canadian civil 
society site, as a labour of love and also as a place for civil society 
voices that specifically could address Canadian issues, there was no such 
gathering spot. There is now, and has been since December 2003. We asked 
Canadian Commission for Unesco for some modest seed support for this 
initiative, and they came through. Mostly this is an open source labour of 
love by the eCommons/agora volunteers (who are in many parts of the country).
FYI then: There continues to be only one specific place for Canadian civil 
society to discuss our next steps, this web site http://wsis.ecommons.ca ,
with its French sister site http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca .

We are working hard to ensure that the many groups in Canada, including 
those who knew about or went to Geneva and those who did not, are fully 
included in the process. That had not been done previously, and is a task 
that will require all of us to work together.

I am pleased to announce that we also have an email list that will support 
these efforts.
Please subscribe at http://lists.ecommons.net/mailman/listinfo/wsis-smsi
(List originated December 9, 2003, but we preferred to build up the web site).

Robert, I would not have started this thread but since you have displayed a 
temper and arrogant attitude that astonishes, allow me to make some 
observations (which have also been communicated to me by others):
- No one tried to inform Canadian citizens at large about the Wsis process, 
prior to Geneva. (Canadian Commission for Unesco did in our view a credible 
job of alerting Canadian civil society groups about Wsis). We at the 
national not for profit eCommons/agora have been trying to network 
horizontally around Wsis for some time now, because our basic goals 
including closing digital divides and ensuring common spaces to link 
Canadian communities, are compatible with Wsis goals. Last summer for 
instance we surveyed all Canadian NGOs accredited to Wsis to find out their 
goals and intentions for Geneva. The results of that survey can be found at 
the home pages of the www.ecommons.net and www.agora-electronique.net sites.
- We have linked to and invited in all possible groups, including Alain 's 
community networking global group. More are coming in daily. Had someone 
been doing what we are doing when we started, we would not have started. We 
would have complimented what others are doing, as this is always our 
approach (since 1997). Our eLab's motto is " Let us not reinvent the wheel, 
let's connect the spokes. "
We started this initiative, have developed it, continue to grow and steward 
it. To pretend that you do not know of this web site initiative is simply 
not credible.
- So the question becomes: what is the problem? Are you honestly suggesting 
that you have the authority to say whether there is or is not a Canadian 
civil society web space, despite all information to the contrary? Surely 
you jest! Have we all not much better things to do with the limited time we 
have for such efforts? Why not cooperate?

eCommons/agora is taking on this task of working with all groups in a fully 
inclusive manner to see that we reach out to newcomers to the process, and 
get our views as distinctive Canadian civil society groups onto the agenda 
of our own arm's length designated coordinator, Canadian Commission for 
Unesco, and our own government and private sector, as well as that of the 
global civil society groups. The latter had always been your main event. To 
remind you:
There was no web site where Canadians especially civil society groups and 
members could contribute (go see all the Canadian government sites and you 
will note that they are not terribly interactive) and we required a post 
Geneva site to inform and build momentum to Tunis. We do have one now.

We should not be dividing up limited resources, nor taking up important 
space online for such internal national debates, instead we should work 
together. I will not do this again, and ask forgiveness of the list 
members, but I do so because of the larger question at issue here.
You have always focused on the international civil society level. That 
seemed complimentary to our own national (panCanadian) approach.
Both you and Amali have indicated that you are the focal points for North 
America CS. You were invited to take part in the web site. Amali indicated 
that she would.You did not reply.
We held a great meeting last week in Toronto on follow up to Wsis. We will 
hold one soon with interested associates in Montreal You were invited in 
Toronto, and did not reply, nor did you show up. At all points, we have 
been inclusive, and cooperative.
You have been competitive and alas seem to think that you are the only 
person who speaks for Canadian civil society. This is simply not the case. 
We speak in many voices, and there is so much help and work needed. We 
should all be working together, at various levels and in various capacities.
This incident has called into question for some of us the legitimacy of the 
current post Geneva civil society process.
If this is the high handed and competitive approach that we see in Canada, 
what must be happening elsewhere? You do not have the authority to declare 
that important national initiatives are not legitimate.
This must be discussed, and worked out.
It is not in my view sensible to consider that somehow there is a closed 
shop of global official civil society.
We did not elect you, I have no idea who did, and I now question your 
motives, albeit I have tried to overlook your lack of friendliness and 
cooperation in the past, and I totally refute your lack of facts and your 
incredible arrogant attitude, and consider that your actions have created 
barriers to a common front for civil society, which is what those of us in 
Canada who care about this process would prefer to see.

Sorry to others who have to witness this. However, guess it is a good sign 
that we care so passionately here in the land of ice and snow. Since Robert 
has not communicated online in French, I will not ask my associates to 
reframe this en Francais.

I call for serious attention to the legitimacy and credibility of a so 
called focal point for North America who is clearly not interested in 
fostering the kind of cooperative spirit that we all need to work towards.

Please do feel free to participate in:
http://wsis.ecommons.ca
and in french
http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca
You can subscribe for email updates to threads of interest.
The site continues to expand with new features.
If you prefer email : please subscribe at 
http://lists.ecommons.net/mailman/listinfo/wsis-smsi
and we will send out useful info as it becomes available.

Thanks for your patience list members,
Liss Jeffrey
eCommons/agora
Canada

One more thing Robert: most Canadians do not respond well to the kind of 
aggressive move you attempted in your email to JP and myself. They get 
turned off involvement when it seems that some good people would prefer to 
fight among themselves rather than cooperate. Let's move on to a better 
scene. Cooperation is good. No one is threatening your contributions to the 
international official civil society Wsis process. What is at issue is your 
willingness to cooperate with others who are taking initiatives, your 
authority to denounce others, and your recognition that there are others 
besides yourself and your closed shop who intend to be full CS players in 
the process leading to Tunis. Let us hope that you can find it in your 
character to cooperate. CS needs all the help that it can get, eh? Best 
wishes, Liss J
At 06:26 PM 09/02/2004 -0500, Robert Guerra wrote:

>Jean-Philippe and Liss:
>
>are you referring to the wsis-cs.org or www.geneva2003.org site? as they 
>are the only, semi-official civil sites.
>
>In canada - there's isn't such a site, at least not yet. if there's 
>anything close - i'd say it's the site mentioned at the Unesco debrief in 
>Ottawa - The site created by The World Forum on Community Networking well 
>over a year ago. Not recognize their efforts, and tri-lingual website is 
>to be ignorant of what others having been doing already around WSIS in Canada
>
><http://www.globalcn.org/>
>
>
>regards
>
>Robert
>
>
>
>--On Monday, February 9, 2004 5:44 PM -0500 Liss Jeffrey 
><ljeffrey@ecommons.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>?a bouge au Canada !
>>
>>D?s cette semaine, sur le site de la soci?t? civile, il y aura le
>>lancement
>>de l'annuaire des groupes canadiens de la soci?t? civile et des
>>particuliers
>>ainsi qu'une liste de projets.
>>http://wsis.ecommons.ca
>>http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca
>>
>>Enregistrez-vous pour participer. Si vous le d?sirez, un message
>>?lectronique vous avertira des ajouts d'information au site et des
>>nouvelles
>>contributions au forum. La liste ?lectronique du smsi-wsis arrivera
>>cette
>>semaine, une fois que les comptes rendus sur la rencontre de l'UNESCO ?
>>Ottawa seront pr?ts. La rencontre de Toronto (5 f?v.) est maintenant
>>disponible en ligne et le diaporama ne saurait tarder. Il y aura une
>>rencontre avec des coll?gues ? Montr?al le 19 f?vrier. Un rapport
>>suivra.
>>
>>Merci
>>Jean-Philippe Grou
>>et Liss Jeffrey
>>
>>
>>At 02:26 PM 09/02/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>>Lots of action in Canada!
>>>
>>>The directory of Canadian civil society groups and individuals, and
>>>the  inventory of projects are launching this week on the civil
>>>society web site. http://wsis.ecommons.ca
>>>http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca
>>>
>>>Register if you wish to take part.
>>>You can get email notification of info posted on the web site, or
>>>forum  contributions, should you so choose.
>>>The wsis-smsi e-list will launch this week once we have the reports
>>>from  the Unesco civil society briefing in Ottawa ready.
>>>The netcast from the lively Toronto meeting (Feb. 5) is now online,
>>>the  slide shows are to come, and we will meet with colleagues in
>>>Montreal on  February 19th, and report further.
>>>
>>>Thanks all
>>>Liss Jeffrey
>>>eCommons/agora
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From rguerra at cpsr.org  Tue Feb 10 22:36:51 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: long reply Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] SMSI site web au Canada  
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Lis:

a quick note - my original message was just sent to you and alain. did 
not post it to a list nor a larger forum, a you just have.




--On Tuesday, February 10, 2004 3:18 PM -0500 Liss Jeffrey 
<ljeffrey@ecommons.net> wrote:

>
> I must admit that I would not have started this thread, certainly not
> on a global forum, and find surprising the idea that you are now
> implying that a Canadian civil society initiative does not exist, and
> is not welcome? Robert, I do not know how you act usually, however
> calling people "ignorant" is not exactly civil, particularly when you
> have your facts wrong. Since we have links to the important community
> networking global site to which you refer (and which is not a Canada
> specific site) you may wish to revise your erroneous views.

specifically why i sent my original message to you, your collegue and 
alain. I would not post personal remarks as i did in a global, local or 
national forum.



> It is well known that there is a web site for Canadian civil society.

again, my personal view was expressed in the personal message.

I will just say that i have a different opinion - that there is no one 
website that represents canadian civil society at the wsis or any other 
un forum on the information society. There are several - there is a long 
known, and very active youth site that DOES have a canadian centric 
space for discussion and planning, as there are also sites in Quebec, BC 
(at VCN).

A plurality of views is indeed a good thing , as such is canada.




> It was launched in Geneva, a matter that you are fully aware of. We
> reported from Geneva and have done much work to continue to inform
> Canadians and provide a growing platform for Canadian views and voices.
> There continues to be only one specific place for Canadian civil
> society to discuss our next steps, this web site
> http://wsis.ecommons.ca ,

I know there is a site, yes - but am being made aware now for the first 
time that it's THE canadian civil society site. That, is news for me.


> with its French sister site http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca .
> Naturally, we pay close attention to developments elsewhere, cite our
> sources, and feature links so that people can find what matters to
> them. We have been working on these goals in various arenas for a very
> long time, and wish others to know about important work taking place.

that's wonderful - and the initiative is to be applauded, and i do wish 
it success.

> You have been kept informed of this important C2C resource from the
> outset.

other that "there is a site" i haven't specifically been given details 
as to it's direction, focus and mission.

> We had asked for and expected your help.

and i do appreciate you for thinking of me. A busy schedule in the fall, 
and a long awaited extensive back surgery of very close family member 
have made me generally unavailable.

Come march, i will have more time, and be more than happy to not only 
contribute to the site, but bring energy and efforts to make sure that 
both the public and the missing stakeholders (business, press, etc..) 
become more engaged in the information society discussions which are 
starting to take off in canada (thank god!)



>When we started the
> Canadian civil society site, as a labour of love and also as a place
> for civil society voices that specifically could address Canadian
> issues, there was no such gathering spot. There is now, and has been
> since December 2003. We asked Canadian Commission for Unesco for some
> modest seed support for this initiative, and they came through.

great for having recieved the funding from UNESCO. But, I will point out 
that neither you, nor the ecommons group were involved in the earlier 
WSIS rountables held by the commission. So, there was a space being 
created by the unesco sessions - and you, and others have created 
discussion spaces to move that forward. that's wonderfull!

>Mostly
> this is an open source labour of love by the eCommons/agora volunteers
> (who are in many parts of the country).
> FYI then: There continues to be only one specific place for Canadian
> civil society to discuss our next steps, this web site
> http://wsis.ecommons.ca ,
> with its French sister site http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca .

I'll again disagree with you in regards to the GCN site - the conference 
in oct 2002 did have a large canadian presence, and informal, formal and 
electronic discussions have been taking place since then to further the 
involvement of canadian civil society.

But, the internet is vast, and perhaps the group in question wasn't 
large enough to be though of the "only specific place" for discussions. 
but they were there - and keeping them in mind, and collaborating with 
them would serve us all.

on another point, if you consider Youth as part of civil society, then 
they too have been "around" and active. TakingITglobal has been a huge 
participant at yes, the international level, as well as the canadian 
level - having recieved funding from DFAIT, industry canada and perhaps 
other departments too to engage youth and other stakeholders in WSIS 
consultations in canada, for canadians.

<http://ycdo.takingitglobal.org/policy/canadawsisyouth>

as key participants, they too should be involved . My personal view is 
that without their engagement - we aren't truly representing canadian 
civil society, but a segment. Thus, they too should be involved in any 
initiative calling itself the "only site". as you can notice, i'm not 
confortable with a site calling itself the only canadian resource.




> We are working hard to ensure that the many groups in Canada,
> including those who knew about or went to Geneva and those who did
> not, are fully included in the process. That had not been done
> previously, and is a task that will require all of us to work together.
>


in that i agree with you and am keen to see that outreach and 
development occur.

> I am pleased to announce that we also have an email list that will
> support these efforts.
> Please subscribe at
> http://lists.ecommons.net/mailman/listinfo/wsis-smsi
> (List originated December 9, 2003, but we preferred to build up the
> web site).


thanks for telling me about it - news to me!


> Robert, I would not have started this thread but since you have
> displayed a temper and arrogant attitude that astonishes, allow me to
> make some observations (which have also been communicated to me by
> others):

me , arrogant and temper. now, now - i won't engage in personal 
comments. I will let my actions, my involvement, and engagement in WSIS 
over a year and a half and commitment speak for itself.

my answer official answer to that comment is - I respect your view, 
however have a different one.




> - No one tried to inform Canadian citizens at large about the Wsis
> process, prior to Geneva. (Canadian Commission for Unesco did in our
> view a credible job of alerting Canadian civil society groups about
> Wsis).


Industry canada had planned to launch a campaign in the spring of 2003. 
However, it did not launch the initiative as planned - much to the 
dismay of those who knew of the plan.

The GCN website and the organization behind it also had plans for 
expansion and outreach - however funds fromm Industry canada, cida, and 
idrc failed to materialize.

to my knowledge the only groups to receive funding were the canadian 
youth caucus, indigenous groups and those working on gender and ICT 
issues around wsis.


>We at the national not for profit eCommons/agora have been
> trying to network horizontally around Wsis for some time now, because
> our basic goals including closing digital divides and ensuring common
> spaces to link Canadian communities, are compatible with Wsis goals.
> Last summer for instance we surveyed all Canadian NGOs accredited to
> Wsis to find out their goals and intentions for Geneva.

well, that's great. job well done!

> The results of
> that survey can be found at the home pages of the www.ecommons.net and
> www.agora-electronique.net sites.
> - We have linked to and invited in all possible groups, including
> Alain 's community networking global group. More are coming in daily.
> Had someone been doing what we are doing when we started, we would not
> have started. We would have complimented what others are doing, as
> this is always our approach (since 1997). Our eLab's motto is " Let us
> not reinvent the wheel, let's connect the spokes. "

and to that - i commend you, and hope that's how things continue to be 
done.

> We started this initiative, have developed it, continue to grow and
> steward it. To pretend that you do not know of this web site
> initiative is simply not credible.

see answer above.

> - So the question becomes: what is the problem?


no problem - sent a personal message to not to a list, but to a small 
group of people (you, your collegue and alain) and see myself as having 
to defend my actions, my comments and words.



> eCommons/agora is taking on this task of working with all groups in a
> fully inclusive manner to see that we reach out to newcomers

great. wish you all the luck and succcess.

> We held a great meeting last week in Toronto on follow up to Wsis. We
> will hold one soon with interested associates in Montreal You were
> invited in Toronto, and did not reply, nor did you show up. At all
> points, we have been inclusive, and cooperative.


well, might i remind you that i did mention to you in Ottawa at the 
unesco event that i had a family hospitalization to deal with. my family 
is very close and important to me, and as you might be able to 
understand it took me away from yours, and other committments i would 
have liked to have attended to.



> You have been competitive and alas seem to think that you are the only
> person who speaks for Canadian civil society.


not the case. I will say, i'll just disagree with your comment - others 
who have dealt with me in engaging cs at the international, and YES, 
national scene know otherwise.


> We did not elect you, I have no idea who did, and I now question your
> motives, albeit I have tried to overlook your lack of friendliness and
> cooperation in the past, and I totally refute your lack of facts and
> your incredible arrogant attitude, and consider that your actions have
> created barriers to a common front for civil society, which is what
> those of us in Canada who care about this process would prefer to see.


perhaps that's you impression. i'm sorry you feel that way about me, 
obviously you don't know me well enough, nor have worked (yet) with me 
to  know of the work i've done, and how inclusive i am on the subject.

I hope that this, albeit heated dialog can lead to a realization that 
you, I and yes others need to work more collaboratively to bring our 
distinctive ways of engaging members of canadian society, government and 
NGOs to have them engaged in the coming phases of wsis at home and 
abroad.


> Sorry to others who have to witness this. However, guess it is a good
> sign that we care so passionately here in the land of ice and snow.
> Since Robert has not communicated online in French, I will not ask my
> associates to reframe this en Francais.


je peut comprend le fran?ais, et aussi l'espagnole.
>
> I call for serious attention to the legitimacy and credibility of a so
> called focal point for North America who is clearly not interested in
> fostering the kind of cooperative spirit that we all need to work
> towards.


gee , lis - i think you have gone too far.

I'll just say you've gone a BIT too far in your critisism.

I have been involved in the wsis since prepcom1, and have worked closely 
with groups in the usa, europe, latin america and international NGOs in 
regrads to wsis.

At wsis precom 2- eing recommended by several leading canadian ngos and 
industry canada - i was honoured to be selected as the sole civil 
society delegate at wsis prepcom 2.


My focal point position was a result of my name being put forward by the 
members of the european caucus (which at the time included the 
paneuropean region as well as canada and the USA) at the wsis prepcom 2 
meeting in feb 2002 in geneva. As you may know, due to the memorandum of 
undestanding signed with the  official canadian delegation at the time - 
i  was unable to accept and passed the position over to my collegues at 
CPSR. however when the memorandum expired, and when my position on the 
delegation came to an end, i was asked to substitute for my cpsr 
collegue. Knowing that a subsitution was not as democratic postition, i 
submitted my name for confirmation  at the first european/canadian/us 
caucus meeting at wsis prepcom3.

There are many more ways things i can say - i don't think i have to 
submit a resume/cv to prove my actions.

I'll just say this - there was no need to critical, as it appears - 
attack me in public. I have been , and will continue to be deeply 
committed to wsis. I have attempted to be inclusive, working with 
organizations from civil society, government and international 
institutions to bring issues of the information society home to 
Canadians and, the countries in the developing world where i am active.

Others, including you may prefer a different approach - a different 
style..which is ok, diversity is good. if we can all collaborate and 
work towards a common goal - great. but, please - launching into 
personal attacks in public - that's not a nice thing to do.

regards

Robert









From ljeffrey at ecommons.net  Tue Feb 10 22:58:16 2004
From: ljeffrey at ecommons.net (Liss Jeffrey)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
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From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
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Lis:

point taken - well, mistake on my fault - i must of replied to all to 
the original message of your colleague.


now - that gets to the point of sending to the global list. however your 
criticisms did go much further, mentioned far more points, and were far 
more personal than my original message ever was was.

I have been, and continue to be committed to collaboration and would 
prefer to do so.

if you have comments directed to me - please do so personally, as i 
don't think this is the appropriate venue.

regards

Robert




From muguet at mdpi.org  Tue Feb 10 23:35:54 2004
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] SMSI site web au Canada
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Cheers Liss !    Bravo !

For those who might not be aware of the facts, since she is modest,=20
Liss has been an influential member of the Canadian delegation during
PrepCom3, and has been very supportive of views brought by the the Civil
Society.
I deeply regret she could not come at PrepCom3A and B, we lost an ally.=20
In fact, her bilingual agora has been opened since the beginning of
PrepCom3A, as I remember.=20
The actions of Liss and Robert seems complementary, Robert has done a
terrific job too, so there is no reason for fruitless controversy.=20


Pour ceux qui n'en aurait pas connaissance, comme elle ne s'en flatte
pas,
Liss a =C3=A9t=C3=A9 un membre influent de la d=C3=A9l=C3=A9gation canadien=
ne durant le
PrepCom3, et elle a beaucoup soutenu les vues de la Soci=C3=A9t=C3=A9 Civil=
e.
Je regr=C3=A8te qu'elle n'a pas pu venir au PrepCom3A et B, car nous y avon=
s
perdu un alli=C3=A9.
En fait, son agora bilingue a =C3=A9t=C3=A9 ouvert depuis le d=C3=A9but de =
PrepCom3A,
si je me souviens.
Les actions de Liss et de Robert semblent compl=C3=A9mentaires, Robert a
effectu=C3=A9 aussi un magnifique travail, donc il n'y a aucune raison pour
une controverse st=C3=A9rile.

Bravo encore Liss !

Francis

> =C3=87a bouge au Canada !
>=20
> D=C3=A8s cette semaine, sur le site de la soci=C3=A9t=C3=A9 civile, il y =
aura le
> lancement=20
> de l'annuaire des groupes canadiens de la soci=C3=A9t=C3=A9 civile et des
> particuliers=20
> ainsi qu'une liste de projets.
> http://wsis.ecommons.ca
> http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca
>=20
> Enregistrez-vous pour participer. Si vous le d=C3=A9sirez, un message=20
> =C3=A9lectronique vous avertira des ajouts d'information au site et des
> nouvelles=20
> contributions au forum. La liste =C3=A9lectronique du smsi-wsis arrivera
> cette=20
> semaine, une fois que les comptes rendus sur la rencontre de l'UNESCO
> =C3=A0=20
> Ottawa seront pr=C3=AAts. La rencontre de Toronto (5 f=C3=A9v.) est maint=
enant=20
> disponible en ligne et le diaporama ne saurait tarder. Il y aura une=20
> rencontre avec des coll=C3=A8gues =C3=A0 Montr=C3=A9al le 19 f=C3=A9vrier=
. Un rapport
> suivra.
>=20
> Merci=20
> Jean-Philippe Grou
> et Liss Jeffrey=20
>=20
>=20
> At 02:26 PM 09/02/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>=20
> > Lots of action in Canada!
> >=20
> > The directory of Canadian civil society groups and individuals, and
> > the inventory of projects are launching this week on the civil
> > society web site.
> > http://wsis.ecommons.ca
> > http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca
> >=20
> > Register if you wish to take part.
> > You can get email notification of info posted on the web site, or
> > forum contributions, should you so choose.
> > The wsis-smsi e-list will launch this week once we have the reports
> > from the Unesco civil society briefing in Ottawa ready.
> > The netcast from the lively Toronto meeting (Feb. 5) is now online,
> > the slide shows are to come, and we will meet with colleagues in
> > Montreal on February 19th, and report further.
> >=20
> > Thanks all
> > Liss Jeffrey
> > eCommons/agora=20
--=20
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From ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es  Wed Feb 11 04:07:15 2004
From: ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?L.Murrugarra?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Tunisia 2005
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?? Message from Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, President of the Republic of Tunisia 

http://www.smsitunis2005.org/plateforme/detail.php?id=168


Welcome statement by His Excellency 
President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali 
President of the Republic of Tunisia
to the participants in the First Phase of the 
World Summit on the Information Society

(Geneva, December 10-12, 2003)

For a strategic partnership based on solidarity

The World Summit on the Information Society, proposed by Tunisia in 1998, is the first major event of the new millennium and constitutes a historic opportunity for the international community to agree on a common vision of the Information Society and to develop an approach for action aimed at bridging the digital divide and allowing the advent of an Information Society that is balanced and accessible to all.

Strongly committed to the principles of solidarity between peoples and dialogue among civilizations, Tunisia reaffirms its determination to contribute to the success of this Summit in Geneva in December 2003, and to the crowning of the Summit at its second phase in Tunis in November 2005. It will strive for that goal through its contribution to efforts making possible the achievement of results reflecting the hopes and aspirations of the international community in all its components, and meeting the objectives of the Millennium Declaration.

To achieve its main objective, which consists in promoting the Information Society and consecrating the Communication and Information Technologies as a strategic tool for balanced development at the economic, social and cultural levels, this Summit is called upon to establish a bridge between different development levels and various digital cultures, and to develop a genuine form of cooperation  that is coordinated and involving all the concerned parties : governments, international organizations, civil society, and the private sector.

Today, we are proud to participate in the first phase of the Summit, driven by the hope of collectively establishing a platform for peace and economic and human development in the world, without exclusion, based on a firm political commitment, and of raising the issue of the digital divide in a context of strategic partnership based on solidarity.

In view of the unity of its process, the success of the Summit depends on the success of each of its two phases. The interdependence of the two phases is not only a factor of dynamism but also and certainly a guarantee of success.

Tunisia wishes all success to this Summit at its first phase.  Faithful to its time-honored tradition of hospitality, our country is already looking forward to welcoming all representatives of governments, international organizations, civil society and the private sector, at the second phase of the Summit scheduled for November 16-18, 2005. 

Zine El Abidine Ben Ali
President of the Republic of Tunisia



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From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] report on WSIS Briefing, 9 Feb, Geneva
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dear rik

thanks so much for those notes - really useful.

** Can someone clarify who will be participating in the March 3-4 meeting 
from civil society, and who is making those decisions? **

karen





From ljeffrey at ecommons.net  Wed Feb 11 15:59:06 2004
From: ljeffrey at ecommons.net (Liss Jeffrey)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Canada question on CS and process: all well ending well
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Hey all: Last time for this.
We are all well on the way to a renewed civil society structure in Canada. 
It is my profound conviction that our collective reflection will result in 
action, and we will help as far as possible with implementation and other 
initiatives in the steps to Tunis.
Now that Robert has apologized for his mistake in sending a message to the 
whole list, I know that we will keep this next dialogue at our national level.
Some factual corrections below for the record, in hopes that our public 
"dialogue" may prove educational for others.:

>>http://wsis.ecommons.ca ,
>
>I know there is a site, yes - but am being made aware now for the first 
>time that it's THE canadian civil society site. That, is news for me.

Hey all: a site of sites is a place where people list their own initiatives.
That is why on our site, using an open source platform, you may register, 
and add your own content.
The site is designed for many to use, and can play a useful coordinating 
role, and assist in the emergence of common views of Cdn civil, where 
possible.
This site is a kind of a launch pad, it is not a final destination.
The C2C wsis site is distinctive because it is the *only* specifically non 
governmental panCanadian site driven by the needs and interests of civil 
society, but inclusive of all.
That is all. Many other very very important sites exist, we try and connect 
them for the benefits of Canadians seeking information, and of civil 
society groups seeking attention for their messages and actions to 
implement the Action Plan.

>>You have been kept informed of this important C2C resource from the
>>outset.
>
>other that "there is a site" i haven't specifically been given details as 
>to it's direction, focus and mission.

Pls see the welcome message in both languages on the front page.
The future direction of this site will be determined by the groups who use it.
We have "civil rules" posted on the site, and have a focus on 
Canada-relevant information.
Beyond that, the direction can be set. That is why you and others are 
invited in, to shape the agenda.


>great for having recieved the funding from UNESCO.

We received $2,000 and that is all. We know of other groups who have 
received hundreds of thousands, and that is wonderful and needed.
Our efforts have been largely voluntary, building on our platform as 
creators of public space online to bridge digital divides (the mission 
since 1997-8 of the eCommons/agora project).

>But, I will point out that neither you, nor the ecommons group were 
>involved in the earlier WSIS rountables held by the commission.

This is inaccurate Robert.
I urge you to always check your facts.
I was present in Ottawa for the Round Table, and fully took part.
We had commented to CCfU before that.
Plus as i have said elsewhere my credentials at the international level 
predate the Wsis process. ( gee I wrote the background paper for the 
Beijing conference on Women in and behind media, 1995, which dates me :), 
and most directly relevant with the Council of Europe new information 
technologies for the next millennium 1999- 2001, and Vital Links for a 
Knowledge Culture: Public access to new information technologies, before Wsis)

>So, there was a space being created by the unesco sessions - and you, and 
>others have created discussion spaces to move that forward. that's wonderfull!

There are many spaces. The eCommons/agora project itself est. 1997 has been 
creating panCanadian spaces for dialogue and information exchange and 
working on access and closing digital divides for a very long time.

But Robert and list members: This is a point that makes this internal 
dialogue relevant to the larger Wsis CS: is it true that we wish to be 
exclusive now?
Does Robert have support in this position, in other words that even when 
people have been active for years (as have I), or when new people become 
interested, that they are somehow not welcome to take part in the next 
phase of Wsis? I reject this idea utterly.
It is my intention and that of eCommons/agora and our other associates to 
involve many more people in this process.
We reject exclusion. We want outreach, education, mobilization of those not 
yet part of the process. We have been doing this (we call it building a 
knowledge culture from below) for much longer than Wsis has existed. We 
will do it after Wsis concludes.
In fact we oppose the idea that only those who have been in Wsis all along 
are welcome to take part.
We think that all roles should be up for review.
In particular, I do not have confidence now in the ability of the North 
American focal points to adequately act in an inclusive manner.
I call for a regime change. Seriously now, this is not a permanent post, 
surely?



>I'll again disagree with you in regards to the GCN site - the conference 
>in oct 2002 did have a large canadian presence, and informal, formal and 
>electronic discussions have been taking place since then to further the 
>involvement of canadian civil society.

Robert, facts only here.
that site is not Canada specific.
It is a great site, we refer to it, and hope people will use it.
It is not the site that we have built.
This is where we certainly need diversity, but let's face facts here.

>But, the internet is vast, and perhaps the group in question wasn't large 
>enough to be though of the "only specific place" for discussions. but they 
>were there - and keeping them in mind, and collaborating with them would 
>serve us all.

We have tried but success has been quite limited, despite our efforts, and 
we will supply evidence off this list to prove this point.
Had there been more cooperation, we would not have needed to set up the 
wsis.ecommons.ca site.


>as key participants, they too should be involved . My personal view is 
>that without their engagement - we aren't truly representing canadian 
>civil society, but a segment. Thus, they too should be involved in any 
>initiative calling itself the "only site". as you can notice, i'm not 
>confortable with a site calling itself the only canadian resource.

Robert - we have always agreed.
In fact, we refer people to Taking IT Global.
But youth is only one segment of Canadian society, and the IS itself, and 
again (see above)
we stand for inclusiveness of all, and support inter generational dialogue 
as well as intercultural and inter linguistic.
Plus we have lots of youth members!



>>I am pleased to announce that we also have an email list that will
>>support these efforts.
>>Please subscribe at
>>http://lists.ecommons.net/mailman/listinfo/wsis-smsi
>>(List originated December 9, 2003, but we preferred to build up the
>>web site).
>
>
>thanks for telling me about it - news to me!

We did not wish to launch this until there was more to speak about.
The web site was important strategically we felt (and of course given 
limited resources we had to choose priorities, we are not paid for this 
eh?) to capture the key points - for instance you find official statements 
on the site, in both languages as soon as they became available, and links 
to important sites like the wsis civil society meeting place. We knew that 
people in Canada were not paying much attention last December (no media 
coverage, better things to do) so we knew that a more permanent web space 
where people could go and find what they wanted later at their own timing 
(not search through a hard to use ugly email list archive) would be a 
better use of time. That seems confirmed now, as last week in Toronto 
meeting (50 plus attendees, and 30 who want to be included in ongoing 
initiatives, most of whom came without having heard of wsis) allowed us to 
point people to the web site and its easy to use resource links. We and our 
web site are not the end of the road here, but the beginning. If people 
prefer to go work with GCN or Taking IT global that is wonderful, and we 
encourage it. We want no monopoly. But you need a focal space for newcomers 
and for old timers to the process (no matter their age).

>Industry canada had planned to launch a campaign in the spring of 2003. 
>However, it did not launch the initiative as planned - much to the dismay 
>of those who knew of the plan.

We are experts at this since 1998: our foreign policy dialogue won a 
national award for e government in the wsis awards.
www.foreign-policy-dialogue.ca
www.dialogue-politique-etrangere.ca

We asked to conduct this. We had been in touch.
The IC consultation was poorly organized and a miserable failure. Lots of 
money for consultants, far as I can tell, and no connections to the 
community nor knowledge of how to do this.
It did happen, anyway, and is online (three rats and a cat took part), and 
we hope that next time we as experts will be part of making a serious 
consultation work.

>The GCN website and the organization behind it also had plans for 
>expansion and outreach - however funds fromm Industry canada, cida, and 
>idrc failed to materialize.

For 2k, our group has done this initiative.
Go figure.
We think if you need to do something, you do it.
I hope when time comes, we will all try and get proper funding for the 
important initiatives, but we do not plan to sit around waiting.
eCommons/agora did outreach starting last spring (because no other Cdn 
group was trying to reach those who knew nothing about the process, so it 
looked to us. This will be very important ultimately, if we wish to have 
impact and not simply input.). We surveyed all the accredited groups for 
Wsis from Canada and asked their views.
None of them planned any outreach to Canadians.
We will have more to say on this and more to do.

>>- So the question becomes: what is the problem?
>>
The personal can become the political pretty fast it seems.
Nothing personal, but I did not in fact start this in a global forum, and 
now I will get on with the important work to be done.
I do however question the inclusiveness of the CS process from Geneva to 
Tunis, and regard this as a rather important point.
We cannot call for accountability as CS members, when we do not have our 
own legitimacy and accountability structures in place.
I did not think that a permanent structure had been set up.
I know for instance that I am a former CS member of the Cdn delegation to 
Wsis Geneva, as the delegation no longer exists, as the formal mechanism 
has been dissolved.
Is it not timely to examine some of our own structures in a similar light? 
I think so, and think this will help a more inclusive attitude to prevail.
Who needs another old boys and girls network? We do not. We need the wisdom 
and experience of those who were there, that is so important, but we also 
need to encourage fresh ideas, newcomers to the process, and to welcome 
them in not attack them for becoming part of the process. If I can be 
attacked, however totally erroneously, for somehow being a Jill-come-lately 
to this process, what tactics would be used against a well-meaning newcomer 
to the Wsis process?
We are all grateful for work done, and we know who did hard and good work. 
Bravo!
But this does not confer monopoly powers to act in the name of a CS that is 
still in formation.
Over and out salut!
Liss Jeffrey, PhD
Director eCommons/agora
http://wsis.ecommons.ca
http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca

www.ecommons.net
www.agora-electronique.net





From onayemiseun4africa at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Feb 12 04:21:04 2004
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Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] VONTEP network General media Conference
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From claupad at libero.it  Thu Feb 12 07:10:38 2004
From: claupad at libero.it (Claudia Padovani)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: Antw: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS Phase 2
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Further to the efforts in Canada, new Zealand and Australia,
also the Italian Civil Society Platform is organizing towards Tunis.
A debriefing was held in Rome, on February 5th, organized by Alisei, an
italian NGO.
Participants: members of the governmental task Force (Ministry for
technological Innovation), parliamentarians, business sector representative,
local authorities and the entire group of civil society who have been
involved in geneva. We also invited members from the EU caucus (Marianne
Seger) the Governance Caucus (Bill Drake and Vittorio bertola) and from
WSIS-online (bertrand) in order to strengthen connections within the civil
society structure and to make our discourse perceived as a common one.
Perspectives are positive, as we were assured that a Multistakehldor Table
will be set up, starting march, to prepare jointly for the second phase.
Structure and roles to be defined so inputs from other experiences could be
respectively useful. I think it is very important at this stage to have the
most complete info about official developments so that we can manage to
engage in a propositive way with the government
We were the ones to stress the need to connect with local authorities, who
are moving in directions for many aspects relevant to us. The dialogue has
been vague until now, but could (and should) be strenghtened

But there are a number of iniziatives that fall outside the WSIS official
process and take this second phase as an opportunity to develop further
initiatives. Among these: there is a publication that starting from WSIS
opens to a number of relevant issues for ICT and policies (forthcoming
mid-March); the website is being rearranged; meetings and events will allow
to connecte to the wider civil society in the country (third sector,
development NGos, media professionals) and we are planning an international
conference on Multistakeholder practices in Venice in october

A few points:
we should try to work through regional caucuses as much as possible: to
strengthen regional perspectives and positions and to be able to organize
joint initiatives
having a space for a calendar is OK, we could also think of a session with
national and regional stories/experiences ecc. to give ideas and biuld
alliances (maybe worldsummit03 already has something like this? Ralf?)
furthermore, I know there will be comments and reflection on WSIS coming out
in publications in the next months; but it would be useful to have something
available now. Why not another section in a website could host pieces and
articles that are already available or readable, so that we could have one
space where ti find materials (and even translate and distribute...)
we are still lacking any serious dialogue with the media, which has been the
great absent from geneva,. we should try to develop some ideas about this,
much in advance... maybe starting from the national level

so far for the moment
best wishes, ciao
claudia padovani


----- Original Message -----
From: "Wallace Taylor" <w.taylor@cqu.edu.au>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 2:12 AM
Subject: RE: Antw: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS Phase 2


Further to the efforts in Canada and New Zealand,
 The Australian Civil Society through the Roundtable for Australian Civil
Society (RACS) prepared a statement for WSIS in Geneva. This should be on
the http://www.ciresearch.net/ site this coming week. The debrief with the
Australian National Office of the Information Economy following WSIS has
agreed that the RACS forum should be continued into the WSIS processes for
Tunis. It is expected that this forum will facilitate a number of events
across Australia commencing in June 2004 in order to further develop a civil
society construct to work in partnership with both the government and the
private sectors to develop an integrated approach to the aims of WSIS for
Tunis.

Wal Taylor

-----Original Message-----
From: Liss Jeffrey [mailto:ljeffrey@ecommons.net]
Sent: Friday, 6 February 2004 2:29 AM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: Re: Antw: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Structure of WSIS Phase 2



FYI
In Canada, at our well-attended debriefing of Wsis in Ottawa, hosted by
Canadian Commission for Unesco on February 23, there was support for
holding local events and possibly a Canadian Summit prior to Tunis. We will
be discussing these prospects today in Toronto (http://wsis.ecommons.ca),
in Montreal later this month (February 19), in Winnipeg in early June, and
will advise of other sessions via this list and all are welcome to post
Canada-relevant events in the web calendar.
I will write up that Ottawa debriefing following our session today where
(Liss Jeffrey, Andrew Clement - CPSR, Leslie Chan - Science, David Mason -
free and open source, C4LD) will all be on our panel discussion of
Wsis-Smsi from a civil society perspective.
At Marc Raboy's suggestion, we plan to ask the Canadian government to
support the idea of confirming the CS credentials from Geneva for Tunis.
Some of us also feel strongly that groups and citizens who know nothing so
far of the process should now be included in information sessions, and in
action plans, monitoring and implementation. We intend to keep building our
web resource to support these initiatives.
Liss J



At 04:53 PM 05/02/2004 +0100, you wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>Adam wrote:
> >Problem I see with the structure is the lack of any regional
>meetings...
> >However, I think we should emphasize the importance of regional
> >meetings and the diversity they enable.
>
>That's a good point, Adam.
>CS should plead for more "regionalism" in the preparatory process.
>Regional meetings are easier accessible for CS participants and from
>many points of view more useful for strengthening regional cooperation
>and effective intervention. The given regional caucus structure in the
>CS-Bureau should be further developed to serve as facilitator
>negotiating the terms for CS particiaption in these meetings.
>
>my x cents..
>Thanks,
>Olga
>
>
> >Just my 5 (euro)cent. ;-)
> >
> >Ralf
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From charles.geiger at itu.int  Thu Feb 12 14:04:52 2004
From: charles.geiger at itu.int (by way of Sean O Siochru <sean@nexus.ie>)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] RE: Invitation to a informal meeting at Tunis
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040212140410.023db140@gpo.iol.ie>

[note to CS Bureau, for your info]

Dear members of the CSB

I would like to update you on some recent events in the Executive
Secretariat (ES), and also answer the questions of Amir Barmaki and Roberto
Guerra.

As you may have heard, the funding from the Canton of Geneva for the
Fondation du Devenir, which was running the civil society division in our
ES, has come to an end. The ES, as a whole, continues to exist, but with
less personnel than before. We may get some new colleagues into the ES,
which could be dealing with civil society liaison and accreditation matters.
We will inform you as soon as this becomes reality. For the time being, we
will inform the CSB members directly and as a whole.

As you know, WSIS is a Summit in two parts. All Rules and Arrangments
decided by Governments for the first part of WSIS continue to be valid
during the second part. This includes Arrangments for accreditation and
participation. All entities from civil society and business who got
accreditation during the first part of the Summit remain accredited for the
second part of the Summit. Accreditation is an ongoing process, and we will
prepare for each PrepCom of phase 2 a new list of civil society and business
entities having requested accreditation, for approval by the Governments.

Accreditation of civil society during the first part of the Summit was done
on the website of the Civil Society Division / Fondation du Devenir (FDD)
www.geneva2003.org , which was not the official WSIS website. As the FDD is
outgoing, this website will not be updated anymore, and we do not have the
capacity to manage the electronic registration they installed on their
website. Therefore, new accreditation requests, from now on, have to be sent
to the Executive Secretariat electronically or by fax / normal mail, and the
respective forms are available on our WSIS website at
http://www.itu.int/wsis/participation/accreditation/cs.html  .

Let me now turn to the invitation of Tunisia:

The host country of the second phase has invited the members of the three
Bureaus (Intergovernmental Bureau of the PrepCom, Civil Society Bureau,
Consultative Committee of Business interlocutors) as well as the focal point
members of the HLSOC (High Level Summit Organizing Committee, basically the
interested UN Agencies) to a informal brainstorming meeting at Tunis. This
meeting is not part of the formal preparatory process.

The meeting intends to kickstart the reflection process among all
stakeholders on what should be the value added of phase 2 of WSIS. As you
know, agreed languange was that phase 1 would end with a Declaration and a
Plan of Action (and it did!), and phase 2 would focus more on developmental
issues and also monitor and evaluate progress made since the first phase of
the Summit. This is a vague statement. For real monitoring and evaluation,
the time span of 23 month between the two phases is too short, as every
development expert knows.

My guess is that the second phase will work more through thematic meetings
(organized mainly by the UN Agencies, but also by some governments, and even
by Civil Society and business, perhaps). Africa and LAC will probably have
another regional meeting, to discuss regional implementation (and perhaps
come up with a blueprint for good national impelementation). My guess is
further that there will be two PrepComs, one near the end of 2004 and one
around September 2005. The discussion in Tunis will focus on the process,
but probably also on which themes should be deepended further (besides the
two themes Internet Governance and Financing, where the SG of the UN was
asked in the final documents to create working groups). Such themes could be
Internet Security, Spam, Ethics of the Information Society, to give just
some examples.

I think we should also use the second phase to stress implementation (a weak
point of most previous UN Summits).

At the actual stage, there is no Agenda for this informal meeting. From the
above, you can guess in which direction the discussion could go. Perhaps we
will create mixed working groups during these two days, to deepen one or the
other issue. The planning is done by our Tunisian colleages. I do not think
that the meeting will produce a document, as such document may have the same
fate as previous external inputs into the WSIS process. The idea is that we
come all together to think what the second phase could/should look like. It
is then up to the formal process to decide.

Please note also that we have used the list of CSB members from the exisitng
website of the Civil Society Division. When there was more than one name for
a family we sent to all addresses. As the invitation extends to one member
of each family, you may have to get in contact among yourself to determine
who should be the invited person. There is also no obligation to accept the
invitation. In fact, we are well aware that perhaps not all families will be
represented (or have the necessary means to travel to Tunis).

To answer Roberto Guerra's 3 questions:

1. Tunisair flies to Paris, you could try to get a cheap ticket
Canada-Paris. The ITU arrangements do not work for non-ITU personnel. Air
France was an official carrier for WSIS phase 1, you can always try if this
arrangements still work (it is likely that the advantages ended with the
Geneva Summit). Infos are at
http://www.itu.int/wsis/practical/carriers/index.html . At the actual stage,
Tunisair has not yet confirmed its "official carrier" status for the second
phase of WSIS. Therefore, we do not exactly know what rebates they will
offer. A decision will hopefully be taken within the next few days.

2. The invitation is from Tunisia, and they are hosting the event. You would
have to ask them directly if they would be ready to host you longer. There
are also some inexpensive Hotels in Tunis (take the Lonely Planet Guide), if
you want to stay longer. There are interesting historical places in and
around Tunis, and the weather is surely warmer than here in Geneva or in
Canada.

3. The idea of the meeting is to have some sort of retreat to think about
phase 2. So my guess is that there are no Audio or Video-conferencing
facilites. It could also be contrary of the idea of a retreat. Again, you
may ask the organizers at the e-mail address indicated in the inscription
form. But I don't think they are equipped or will consider the request.



One last information: Tunisair has direct flights from and to Geneva on
Monday, Thursday and Saturday. This was also one of the reasons why the
meeting is scheduled on Tuesday and Wednesday.


Yours sincerely

Charles Geiger
Assistant Executive Director WSIS






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Subject: Re: Invitation to a informal meeting at Tunis


Dear Fatma

I will participate in that informal meeting event from Middle East and West
Asia region family (CSB). Thanks for informing us, my question is who should
be contacted for arrangements there and what is the exact agenda of the
meetings?

Thanks

Amir Barmaki


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Subject: FW: Invitation to a informal meeting at Tunis




 > Dear members of the Civil Society Bureau
 >
 > Please find attached an invitation letter, signed by the Minister for
 > Communication Technology and Transport, Republic of Tunisia, and by the
 > Secretary General of the ITU, to an informal brainstorming meeting at
 > Tunis.
 >
 > Please note that this meeting is not a part of the official preparatory
 > process. The idea of the organizers is to bring together a group or
 > persons which has been actively involved in the process of phase I of
 > WSIS. In order not to make an arbitrary selection of persons, the
 > organizers did choose to invite the members of the different bureaus as
 > well as the members of the HLSOC in their personal capacity. With regard
 > to the CSB, one member of each family is invited.
 >
 > The organizers will pay the costs of accommodation at Tunis (only
 > telephone charges and alcoholic beverages are charged to participants).
 > Travel costs have to be paid by the participants (there is a rebate in
 > case you use Tunisair). As the meeting has an informal character and the
 > invitation is restricted, we regret to inform you that no fellowships from
 > the ITU WSIS trust fund are available.
 >
 > With best regards
 >
 > Charles Geiger
 > Assistant Executive Director
 >
 >
 >
 >  <<Letter Tunis English, rev.1.doc>>  <<Lettre Tunis version fran?aise,
 > rev.1.doc>>  <<Formulaire R?union Tunis rev.1.doc>>
 >




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From karenb at gn.apc.org  Thu Feb 12 14:35:34 2004
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] The March meeting: suggestions
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20040212140410.023db140@gpo.iol.ie>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040212142654.03f0d9f8@pop.gn.apc.org>

Dear plenary,

I was going to ask for further information about the March meeting, who was 
attending, on what basis etc, but the recent posting from Mr. Geiger is 
useful in that respect.

[extract..

>Let me now turn to the invitation of Tunisia:
>
>The host country of the second phase has invited the members of the three
>Bureaus (Intergovernmental Bureau of the PrepCom, Civil Society Bureau,
>Consultative Committee of Business interlocutors) as well as the focal point
>members of the HLSOC (High Level Summit Organizing Committee, basically the
>interested UN Agencies) to a informal brainstorming meeting at Tunis. This
>meeting is not part of the formal preparatory process.

It is good to see that Civil Society has been invited,  along with other 
stake-holders, in the representation of the CS Bureau.

However, and although this meeting is not part of the formal preparatory 
process, i think we all know that this will be a very important meeting, 
that will layout a possible shape and direction for the implemenation of 
Phase II.

I'm sure that the host country - and all participants - will want to ensure 
that the outcomes of this meeting, inform the first preparatory meeting, 
and the entire preparatory process. No doubt it will deal with process 
issues, but i would imagine it will also deal with content issues. As Mr. 
Grieger goes on to say:

>The meeting intends to kickstart the reflection process among all
>stakeholders on what should be the value added of phase 2 of WSIS. As you
>know, agreed languange was that phase 1 would end with a Declaration and a
>Plan of Action (and it did!), and phase 2 would focus more on developmental
>issues and also monitor and evaluate progress made since the first phase of
>the Summit. This is a vague statement. For real monitoring and evaluation,
>the time span of 23 month between the two phases is too short, as every
>development expert knows.

In that respect, I feel it is very important that we uphold our ways of 
working during WSIS phase I, and extend an invitation to the Content and 
Themes working group, to identify a representaive for the meeting.

The ICCB is attending and i imagine will certainly wish to focus on some 
content issues, i believe it's imperative that the WSIS Content and themes 
group is simiarily represented.

I understand the funding contraints, but the issue here is also one of 
principle, if we can agree on that first, then we can second deal with the 
financial difficulties.

I would like to know how others feel about this?

karen




From wdrake at ictsd.ch  Thu Feb 12 14:28:30 2004
From: wdrake at ictsd.ch (William Drake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] report on WSIS Briefing, 9 Feb, Geneva
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040211144647.029fb5a8@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <MABBIHAAPBEEGMLBDEGOEEKMCOAA.wdrake@ictsd.ch>

Hi Karen,

> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> Behalf Of karen banks
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 3:48 PM
>
> ** Can someone clarify who will be participating in the March 3-4 meeting
> from civil society, and who is making those decisions? **

As Rik's summary indicated, there was some discussion of your question at
the CONGO meeting.  The Tunisian ambassador said that his government wants
civil society to be fully involved, and to that end is inviting the bureau
to the Tunis meeting to plan the next steps.  In the Q&A I pointed out that
caucuses and working groups were formed bottom up by CSOs themselves, all
have members, have been the locus of a lot of activity, and hence be
involved in phase II planning along with the families.  Accordingly, I asked
what steps Tunisia would be taking to ensure this broad-based participation.
The Tunisian ambassador replied that his government wants civil society to
be fully involved, and to that end is inviting the bureau to the Tunis
meeting to plan the next steps.

I then asked the Swiss ambassador, Charles Geiger of the secretariat, and
Alain the same question.  Basically their answers were to effect that it's
up to the CSOs to organize themselves in whatever way best reflects their
members' interests.  Renate suggested that to the extent that the Tunis
planning meeting could blur from process to content issues (which is
inevitable, given the need to decide what will be addressed etc), perhaps it
would make sense to have a representative of contents and themes there as
well.

That's where things stand.

Aside from such process matters, I should add that there were some
disturbing suggestions about possible new thematic focuses for phase II,
including "security" and "ethics."  Maybe we'll end up with a new Acceptable
Use Policy....

Cheers,

Bill


******************************************
William J. Drake
Geneva, Switzerland
wdrake@ictsd.ch
http://www.citi.columbia.edu/affiliates/wdrake.htm
Director, Project on the Information Revolution
  and Global Governance
Senior Associate, International Centre for Trade
  and Sustainable Development www.ictsd.org
******************************************



From karenb at gn.apc.org  Thu Feb 12 14:41:40 2004
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] The March meeting: suggestions
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040212142654.03f0d9f8@pop.gn.apc.org>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20040212140410.023db140@gpo.iol.ie>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040212144051.0588a7a8@pop.gn.apc.org>

dear all

ps..  bill drake's message came in after i posted my message re the march 
meeting, but i think it only reiterates the importance of my request

karen


From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Thu Feb 12 16:08:01 2004
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata BLOEM)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] The March meeting: suggestions
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040212142654.03f0d9f8@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <IBEGJNBEEELEANPJGINMIEKHDFAA.rbloem@ngocongo.org>

Dear all,

I had made the point to include someone from the Content and Themes Group
from the beginning to the Minister, to the CSB and during our CONGO
Briefing.
In fact, the CT Group had always a seat on the Bureau for liaison reason,
and I would therefore take it for granted, that he/she should be invited.
Renata

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of karen banks
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 3:36 PM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] The March meeting: suggestions


Dear plenary,

I was going to ask for further information about the March meeting, who was
attending, on what basis etc, but the recent posting from Mr. Geiger is
useful in that respect.

[extract..

>Let me now turn to the invitation of Tunisia:
>
>The host country of the second phase has invited the members of the three
>Bureaus (Intergovernmental Bureau of the PrepCom, Civil Society Bureau,
>Consultative Committee of Business interlocutors) as well as the focal
point
>members of the HLSOC (High Level Summit Organizing Committee, basically the
>interested UN Agencies) to a informal brainstorming meeting at Tunis. This
>meeting is not part of the formal preparatory process.

It is good to see that Civil Society has been invited,  along with other
stake-holders, in the representation of the CS Bureau.

However, and although this meeting is not part of the formal preparatory
process, i think we all know that this will be a very important meeting,
that will layout a possible shape and direction for the implemenation of
Phase II.

I'm sure that the host country - and all participants - will want to ensure
that the outcomes of this meeting, inform the first preparatory meeting,
and the entire preparatory process. No doubt it will deal with process
issues, but i would imagine it will also deal with content issues. As Mr.
Grieger goes on to say:

>The meeting intends to kickstart the reflection process among all
>stakeholders on what should be the value added of phase 2 of WSIS. As you
>know, agreed languange was that phase 1 would end with a Declaration and a
>Plan of Action (and it did!), and phase 2 would focus more on developmental
>issues and also monitor and evaluate progress made since the first phase of
>the Summit. This is a vague statement. For real monitoring and evaluation,
>the time span of 23 month between the two phases is too short, as every
>development expert knows.

In that respect, I feel it is very important that we uphold our ways of
working during WSIS phase I, and extend an invitation to the Content and
Themes working group, to identify a representaive for the meeting.

The ICCB is attending and i imagine will certainly wish to focus on some
content issues, i believe it's imperative that the WSIS Content and themes
group is simiarily represented.

I understand the funding contraints, but the issue here is also one of
principle, if we can agree on that first, then we can second deal with the
financial difficulties.

I would like to know how others feel about this?

karen



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From karenb at gn.apc.org  Thu Feb 12 16:14:29 2004
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] The March meeting: suggestions
In-Reply-To: <IBEGJNBEEELEANPJGINMIEKHDFAA.rbloem@ngocongo.org>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040212142654.03f0d9f8@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040212161318.0588be48@pop.gn.apc.org>

thanks renate

that's good news.. it wasn't clear in the notes from Mr. Gaiger..

karen

>I had made the point to include someone from the Content and Themes Group
>from the beginning to the Minister, to the CSB and during our CONGO
>Briefing.
>In fact, the CT Group had always a seat on the Bureau for liaison reason,
>and I would therefore take it for granted, that he/she should be invited.



From thomruddy at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 12 16:30:12 2004
From: thomruddy at yahoo.com (Thomas Ruddy)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS at the upcoming Tunis meeting /  CS input into Internet Governance activities
In-Reply-To: <MABBIHAAPBEEGMLBDEGOEEKMCOAA.wdrake@ictsd.ch>
Message-ID: <20040212163012.1793.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear plenary,
I also attended the CONGO Briefing. Only later,
though, did I come to understand the importance of
having a broader representation of CS in attendance at
the upcoming Tunis meeting than the CS Bureau could
provide alone. Therefore I support the ideas put forth
by Bill and Karin.

A second issue that I've watched arise recently is
whether and, if so, how CS wants to bring its input
into the Internet Governance activities that are
picking up speed in parallel to the Tunis
preparations, namely in Rome and NY.

For instance, for the ICANN Meeting in Rome
forthcoming from 2-6 March 2004, the agenda has just
been released,
http://www.icann.org/meetings/rome/#ScheduleandAgenda

The agenda includes a session by a civil society
group, ICANN's At Large Advisory Committee, which has
issued a Draft Statement on the WSIS Declaration of
Principles and Plan of Actions,
http://alac.icann.org/wsis/statement-wsis-20jan04.htm

So let me put forth two questions:

1. How does our Plenary relate to the work being
undertaken by ICANN's At Large Advisory Committee?

2. The WSIS CS Internet Governance (aka the Internet /
ICT Global Governance Caucus) has been seeking a role
for itself in the new group that Kofi Annan is to set
up as a result of WSIS. How does our Plenary relate to
that?  Could the WSIS CS Internet Governance represent
the CS Plenary?

Regards,
Thomas, moderator www.wsis.ethz.ch

--- William Drake <wdrake@ictsd.ch> wrote:
> Hi Karen,
> 
> > From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org
> [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> > Behalf Of karen banks
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 3:48 PM
> >
> > ** Can someone clarify who will be participating
> in the March 3-4 meeting
> > from civil society, and who is making those
> decisions? **
> 
> As Rik's summary indicated, there was some
> discussion of your question at
> the CONGO meeting.  The Tunisian ambassador said
> that his government wants
> civil society to be fully involved, and to that end
> is inviting the bureau
> to the Tunis meeting to plan the next steps.  In the
> Q&A I pointed out that
> caucuses and working groups were formed bottom up by
> CSOs themselves, all
> have members, have been the locus of a lot of
> activity, and hence be
> involved in phase II planning along with the
> families.  Accordingly, I asked
> what steps Tunisia would be taking to ensure this
> broad-based participation.
> The Tunisian ambassador replied that his government
> wants civil society to
> be fully involved, and to that end is inviting the
> bureau to the Tunis
> meeting to plan the next steps.
> 
> I then asked the Swiss ambassador, Charles Geiger of
> the secretariat, and
> Alain the same question.  Basically their answers
> were to effect that it's
> up to the CSOs to organize themselves in whatever
> way best reflects their
> members' interests.  Renate suggested that to the
> extent that the Tunis
> planning meeting could blur from process to content
> issues (which is
> inevitable, given the need to decide what will be
> addressed etc), perhaps it
> would make sense to have a representative of
> contents and themes there as
> well.
> 
> That's where things stand.
> 
> Aside from such process matters, I should add that
> there were some
> disturbing suggestions about possible new thematic
> focuses for phase II,
> including "security" and "ethics."  Maybe we'll end
> up with a new Acceptable
> Use Policy....
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> ******************************************
> William J. Drake
> Geneva, Switzerland
> wdrake@ictsd.ch
> http://www.citi.columbia.edu/affiliates/wdrake.htm
> Director, Project on the Information Revolution
>   and Global Governance
> Senior Associate, International Centre for Trade
>   and Sustainable Development www.ictsd.org
> ******************************************
> 
> 
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> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
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From meigs at wanadoo.fr  Thu Feb 12 16:49:44 2004
From: meigs at wanadoo.fr (Meigs)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] The March meeting: suggestions
In-Reply-To: <IBEGJNBEEELEANPJGINMIEKHDFAA.rbloem@ngocongo.org>
Message-ID: <BC516D38.3E96%meigs@wanadoo.fr>

Le 12/02/04 17:08, ??Renata BLOEM?? <rbloem@ngocongo.org> a ?crit?:

Dear all,

I support Karen's ideas and proposals.

It is very important to be there, and to express the fact that issues are
not just governance and funding, but that all the rest is as important.
Speaking from the point of view of the education, literacy, and research
famili for example I can say that though these issues seem consensual at the
level of principles, nothing, -absolutly nothing- has been settled in the
action plan. Besides the declaration on these issues seems to allow for two
models to be followed, one along "traditional industrial" lines, the other
along "open access, community" lines, and we know these lines don't
necessarily meet... So nothing has been solved.

I would say the same is true for all the other issues.

We have to keep the pressure on concrete measures, and on how to evaluate
them, even if two years seems awfully short to do so.
Whoever goes to that meeting for Civil Society should emphasize this
evaluation aspect. 

Best
Divina Frau-Meigs
Deputy secretary general, IAMCR


> Dear all,
> 
> I had made the point to include someone from the Content and Themes Group
> from the beginning to the Minister, to the CSB and during our CONGO
> Briefing.
> In fact, the CT Group had always a seat on the Bureau for liaison reason,
> and I would therefore take it for granted, that he/she should be invited.
> Renata
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> Behalf Of karen banks
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 3:36 PM
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] The March meeting: suggestions
> 
> 
> Dear plenary,
> 
> I was going to ask for further information about the March meeting, who was
> attending, on what basis etc, but the recent posting from Mr. Geiger is
> useful in that respect.
> 
> [extract..
> 
>> Let me now turn to the invitation of Tunisia:
>> 
>> The host country of the second phase has invited the members of the three
>> Bureaus (Intergovernmental Bureau of the PrepCom, Civil Society Bureau,
>> Consultative Committee of Business interlocutors) as well as the focal
> point
>> members of the HLSOC (High Level Summit Organizing Committee, basically the
>> interested UN Agencies) to a informal brainstorming meeting at Tunis. This
>> meeting is not part of the formal preparatory process.
> 
> It is good to see that Civil Society has been invited,  along with other
> stake-holders, in the representation of the CS Bureau.
> 
> However, and although this meeting is not part of the formal preparatory
> process, i think we all know that this will be a very important meeting,
> that will layout a possible shape and direction for the implemenation of
> Phase II.
> 
> I'm sure that the host country - and all participants - will want to ensure
> that the outcomes of this meeting, inform the first preparatory meeting,
> and the entire preparatory process. No doubt it will deal with process
> issues, but i would imagine it will also deal with content issues. As Mr.
> Grieger goes on to say:
> 
>> The meeting intends to kickstart the reflection process among all
>> stakeholders on what should be the value added of phase 2 of WSIS. As you
>> know, agreed languange was that phase 1 would end with a Declaration and a
>> Plan of Action (and it did!), and phase 2 would focus more on developmental
>> issues and also monitor and evaluate progress made since the first phase of
>> the Summit. This is a vague statement. For real monitoring and evaluation,
>> the time span of 23 month between the two phases is too short, as every
>> development expert knows.
> 
> In that respect, I feel it is very important that we uphold our ways of
> working during WSIS phase I, and extend an invitation to the Content and
> Themes working group, to identify a representaive for the meeting.
> 
> The ICCB is attending and i imagine will certainly wish to focus on some
> content issues, i believe it's imperative that the WSIS Content and themes
> group is simiarily represented.
> 
> I understand the funding contraints, but the issue here is also one of
> principle, if we can agree on that first, then we can second deal with the
> financial difficulties.
> 
> I would like to know how others feel about this?
> 
> karen
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
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From t.naughton at iafrica.com  Thu Feb 12 16:48:39 2004
From: t.naughton at iafrica.com (Tracey Naughton)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] The March meeting: suggestions
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040212142654.03f0d9f8@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <BC517B07.395D%t.naughton@iafrica.com>

Hello

I absolutely agree that content and themes should be represented at the
Tunis meeting. It will be essential to maintain our vision as stated in the
Civil Society Declaration.

C & T have been occupying a seat at the CSB meetings. This was logical and
very important to the process. I think therefore that C&T is in any case,
part of the CSB and has therefore been invited along with the focal points
of other families.

Equally, it will be important for the CSB to ensure that space is
maintained, even improved, for civil society and that it is treated as an
equal partner in the WSIS and beyond process. The Tunis meeting will
inevitably deal with content and process - the two are intertwined.

A number of CSB members will not have the resources to attend this meeting -
I include myself there. The CS Sec. have said the ITU fellowship fund cannot
be used as this is an informal meeting.......but in any case it was less
than adequate and we do need to0 raise this in strong terms at the Tunis
meeting, through our representatives.

Best regards

Tracey Naughton
Chair, Media Caucus
 
Nyaka - Communication & Development
Tracey Naughton
Consultant
201 Somerset Hall
239 Oxford Road
Illovo  2196
South Africa

Phone/fax:    +27 (0) 11 880 5030
cell:               +27 (0) 82 821 1771
Email:              t.naughton@iafrica.com



From wolfgang at imv.au.dk  Thu Feb 12 16:54:35 2004
From: wolfgang at imv.au.dk (wolfgang@imv.au.dk)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] The March meeting: suggestions
Message-ID: <E1ArK6l-0002Fn-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>

If somebody goes to Tunis in early March ( a date which overlaps with the ICANN meeting in Roma) she or he should blog from inside the meetings. A lot of people will be 24/7 online anc can react in nearly real time so that everybody is informed and we can produce additional input online.

Best

wolfgang







From vb at bertola.eu.org  Thu Feb 12 18:16:42 2004
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS at the upcoming Tunis meeting /  CS input
 into Internet Governance activities
In-Reply-To: <20040212163012.1793.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040212163012.1793.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <402BC30A.1070708@bertola.eu.org>

Thomas Ruddy ha scritto:
> For instance, for the ICANN Meeting in Rome
> forthcoming from 2-6 March 2004, the agenda has just
> been released,
> http://www.icann.org/meetings/rome/#ScheduleandAgenda
> 
> The agenda includes a session by a civil society
> group, ICANN's At Large Advisory Committee, which has
> issued a Draft Statement on the WSIS Declaration of
> Principles and Plan of Actions,
> http://alac.icann.org/wsis/statement-wsis-20jan04.htm
> 
> So let me put forth two questions:
> 
> 1. How does our Plenary relate to the work being
> undertaken by ICANN's At Large Advisory Committee?

I'm the Chairman of that Committee, so if anyone needs any info, I'm here. 
A couple of us (ALAC members) participates regularly in the Internet 
Governance caucus.

As ALAC, we're planning to co-host a workshop in Rome, in the morning of 
March 4; the idea is to brief the ICANN participants and constituencies on 
what WSIS has been doing in the last months, and what is expected to 
happen in the next. So it's mostly informational, but it will possibly 
include some discussion among the ICANN community on how it could interact 
with the WSIS process and what should be the future of Internet governance 
structures, particularly in relation to ICANN (which only covers a part of 
the broader "Internet Governance" space). However, the actual agenda and 
interventions still have to be defined; we plan to have someone from the 
IG caucus to relate to the audience, and of course attendance is totally open.

As you might know, the ALAC is an open platform (though still at a very 
early stage) for all Internet users' NGOs who want to have a voice in the 
ICANN process. We mostly target user and consumer organizations and 
technical and professional groups in the different parts of the world, and 
ask them to participate in our work, which mostly consists in advising 
ICANN on the needs of the at large citizens of the Internet. Eventually, 
these organizations will get to form regional coordinating forums and 
elect the Committee itself.

So we think that - even if we're focused on a narrow mission inside ICANN 
- we are an embryo of what could be a workable model for participation by 
NGOs and individuals to global Internet Governance processes. And we also 
want to bring our experience, so that any future governance entity avoids 
the mistakes that were done during the long and painful history of ICANN.
-- 
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Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu.org
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From sean at nexus.ie  Thu Feb 12 19:41:58 2004
From: sean at nexus.ie (Sean O Siochru)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] The March meeting: suggestions
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040212142654.03f0d9f8@pop.gn.apc.org>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20040212140410.023db140@gpo.iol.ie>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040212193451.023db140@gpo.iol.ie>

Karen, Adam and friends,

I agree we need a Content and Themes person there.

Of course, in the absence of funding (and cheap airlines to Tunis) this is 
only the beginning of  ongoing problems of participation for civil society 
in the process.  Furthermore, if the events are going to be more Thematic, 
and sponsored by various UN organisations, we are going to see much more 
'hand-picking' of which NGO representatives will get their fares paid and 
far less scope for CS Plenary to opening debate it.

Incidentally, someone might check out the scope for participation of NGOs 
that are NOT accredited.  I notice the Tunisians are careful to mention 
those accredited.

I cannot go to any of these consultations as I am travelling for 2 weeks 
end of February to early march.

Sean

At 14:35 12/02/2004 +0000, you wrote:

>Dear plenary,
>
>I was going to ask for further information about the March meeting, who 
>was attending, on what basis etc, but the recent posting from Mr. Geiger 
>is useful in that respect.
>
>[extract..
>
>>Let me now turn to the invitation of Tunisia:
>>
>>The host country of the second phase has invited the members of the three
>>Bureaus (Intergovernmental Bureau of the PrepCom, Civil Society Bureau,
>>Consultative Committee of Business interlocutors) as well as the focal point
>>members of the HLSOC (High Level Summit Organizing Committee, basically the
>>interested UN Agencies) to a informal brainstorming meeting at Tunis. This
>>meeting is not part of the formal preparatory process.
>
>It is good to see that Civil Society has been invited,  along with other 
>stake-holders, in the representation of the CS Bureau.
>
>However, and although this meeting is not part of the formal preparatory 
>process, i think we all know that this will be a very important meeting, 
>that will layout a possible shape and direction for the implemenation of 
>Phase II.
>
>I'm sure that the host country - and all participants - will want to 
>ensure that the outcomes of this meeting, inform the first preparatory 
>meeting, and the entire preparatory process. No doubt it will deal with 
>process issues, but i would imagine it will also deal with content issues. 
>As Mr. Grieger goes on to say:
>
>>The meeting intends to kickstart the reflection process among all
>>stakeholders on what should be the value added of phase 2 of WSIS. As you
>>know, agreed languange was that phase 1 would end with a Declaration and a
>>Plan of Action (and it did!), and phase 2 would focus more on developmental
>>issues and also monitor and evaluate progress made since the first phase of
>>the Summit. This is a vague statement. For real monitoring and evaluation,
>>the time span of 23 month between the two phases is too short, as every
>>development expert knows.
>
>In that respect, I feel it is very important that we uphold our ways of 
>working during WSIS phase I, and extend an invitation to the Content and 
>Themes working group, to identify a representaive for the meeting.
>
>The ICCB is attending and i imagine will certainly wish to focus on some 
>content issues, i believe it's imperative that the WSIS Content and themes 
>group is simiarily represented.
>
>I understand the funding contraints, but the issue here is also one of 
>principle, if we can agree on that first, then we can second deal with the 
>financial difficulties.
>
>I would like to know how others feel about this?
>
>karen
>
>
>
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From jeanette at wz-berlin.de  Thu Feb 12 19:55:39 2004
From: jeanette at wz-berlin.de (Jeanette Hofmann)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS at the upcoming Tunis meeting /  CS input into Internet Governance activities
In-Reply-To: <20040212163012.1793.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <MABBIHAAPBEEGMLBDEGOEEKMCOAA.wdrake@ictsd.ch>
Message-ID: <402BE84E.22790.1CE1AFC@localhost>

On 12 Feb 2004 at 8:30, Thomas Ruddy wrote:

Hi, Thomas, 

> So let me put forth two questions:
> 
> 1. How does our Plenary relate to the work being
> undertaken by ICANN's At Large Advisory Committee?
> 
> 2. The WSIS CS Internet Governance (aka the Internet /
> ICT Global Governance Caucus) has been seeking a role
> for itself in the new group that Kofi Annan is to set
> up as a result of WSIS. How does our Plenary relate to
> that?  Could the WSIS CS Internet Governance represent
> the CS Plenary?

In my view, the Internet Governance caucus doesn't represent any other 
body. The caucus should rather be seen as a platform and channel for those 
who are interested in issues related to Internet governance and who are 
optimistic enough to believe that civil society can have some impact on 
current developments if we get ourselves organized. 

jeanette 
> 



From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Thu Feb 12 20:50:19 2004
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Fullsack Jean-Louis)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] The March meeting: suggestions
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040212142654.03f0d9f8@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <004501c3f1a9$d4b98180$0a00000a@default>

en fran?ais ci-dessous
Hi Karen

The posting of Mr Geiger is rather disappointing and hopeless !
How could a small NGO afford to travel to and stay at Tunis, even with "The
Lonely Planet" hotel guide ... ?
I don't see any solution for civil society to be represented at a minimum
level at such Tunis meeetings unless the respective country/gouvernment
takes it upon itself to pay these big expenses. And nothing is less sure,
even in the North !
Friendly yours

Bonjour Karen
Le message de M. Geiger est plut?t d?cevant voire d?sesp?rant!
Comment une petite ONG pourrait-elle se payer le voyage et le s?jour ?
Tunis, m?me avec le guide des h?tels "Lonely Planet". ?
Je ne vois pas de solution pour que la SC soit repr?sent?e ? un niveau
minimum ? ses r?unions de Tunis ? moins que les Pays/gouvernements concern?s
prennent sur eux le paiement de ces grosses d?penses. Et rien n'est moins
s?r, m?me au Nord !
Amicalement

Jean-Louis Fullsack
CS C&T Group "Focal person" for Access-Infrastructure and Financing
"Personne focale" pour Acc?s-Infrastructure et Financement du Grouope C&T de
la SC .

----- Original Message -----
From: "karen banks" <karenb@gn.apc.org>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 3:35 PM
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] The March meeting: suggestions


> Dear plenary,
>
> I was going to ask for further information about the March meeting, who
was
> attending, on what basis etc, but the recent posting from Mr. Geiger is
> useful in that respect.
>
> [extract..
>
> >Let me now turn to the invitation of Tunisia:
> >
> >The host country of the second phase has invited the members of the three
> >Bureaus (Intergovernmental Bureau of the PrepCom, Civil Society Bureau,
> >Consultative Committee of Business interlocutors) as well as the focal
point
> >members of the HLSOC (High Level Summit Organizing Committee, basically
the
> >interested UN Agencies) to a informal brainstorming meeting at Tunis.
This
> >meeting is not part of the formal preparatory process.
>
> It is good to see that Civil Society has been invited,  along with other
> stake-holders, in the representation of the CS Bureau.
>
> However, and although this meeting is not part of the formal preparatory
> process, i think we all know that this will be a very important meeting,
> that will layout a possible shape and direction for the implemenation of
> Phase II.
>
> I'm sure that the host country - and all participants - will want to
ensure
> that the outcomes of this meeting, inform the first preparatory meeting,
> and the entire preparatory process. No doubt it will deal with process
> issues, but i would imagine it will also deal with content issues. As Mr.
> Grieger goes on to say:
>
> >The meeting intends to kickstart the reflection process among all
> >stakeholders on what should be the value added of phase 2 of WSIS. As you
> >know, agreed languange was that phase 1 would end with a Declaration and
a
> >Plan of Action (and it did!), and phase 2 would focus more on
developmental
> >issues and also monitor and evaluate progress made since the first phase
of
> >the Summit. This is a vague statement. For real monitoring and
evaluation,
> >the time span of 23 month between the two phases is too short, as every
> >development expert knows.
>
> In that respect, I feel it is very important that we uphold our ways of
> working during WSIS phase I, and extend an invitation to the Content and
> Themes working group, to identify a representaive for the meeting.
>
> The ICCB is attending and i imagine will certainly wish to focus on some
> content issues, i believe it's imperative that the WSIS Content and themes
> group is simiarily represented.
>
> I understand the funding contraints, but the issue here is also one of
> principle, if we can agree on that first, then we can second deal with the
> financial difficulties.
>
> I would like to know how others feel about this?
>
> karen
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


From schock at riseup.net  Thu Feb 12 23:37:53 2004
From: schock at riseup.net (Sasha Costanza-Chock)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Plenary / CS Bureau / CS Families
In-Reply-To: <20040212163200.D71233C14@seven.gn.apc.org>
References: <20040212163200.D71233C14@seven.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <402C0E51.70007@riseup.net>

I would like to express complete support for Karen's suggestion that a 
spokesperson from Content and Themes be present at the meeting in Tunis.

We have been through several internal debates and clarifications on the 
structure of the CS Caucuses, Working Groups, Plenary, Content and 
Themes, Families, and Bureau.

We want to avoid revisiting this. CS Plenary must be present from the 
beginning in the planning of the next phase, and we need to ensure 
formal recognition of the CS structure we have created over the past two 
years by the new organizers of WSIS phase II.

clarification of that structure is available here:
http://www.wsis-cs.org/cs-overview.html

What's more, we should make clear from an early stage some of our 
needs/demands for effective CS participation in the next phase of WSIS.

For example, we need resources for travel to each prepcom, a dedicated 
room with translation for CS Plenary at each prepcom, etc etc


Sasha Costanza-Chock

Free Press
mediareform.net




From ljeffrey at ecommons.net  Fri Feb 13 00:42:12 2004
From: ljeffrey at ecommons.net (Liss Jeffrey)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Reflection on Tunis and free press/human rights
In-Reply-To: <402C0E51.70007@riseup.net>
References: <20040212163200.D71233C14@seven.gn.apc.org>
 <20040212163200.D71233C14@seven.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040212193534.03e57d10@141.117.45.50>


Very interesting and useful article/analysis from an African pov
http://allafrica.com/stories/200402120697.html

Free Press, Close Digital Divide

Daily Champion (Lagos)
ANALYSIS
February 12, 2004
Posted to the web February 12, 2004

By Remmy Nweke
Lagos

[snip]
Therefore, hosting the second WSIS in Tunisia, according to industry 
analysts, may face some hiccups, as most media professionals slated to 
participate at the global summit are already having rethink concerning 
their freedom to practice and move freely during the summit without being 
gagged, even on the Internet, especially if the tide of stories for 
publication do not favour the hosting nation; it may result to complete 
blockage of the service provider to the convention center.

For Africa and Tunisia, particularly, the fight against the media may spell 
doom for the continent as the inability to host the summit as slated would 
further set back the clock of development in the continent, just as Tunisia 
would lose handsomely through decline in tourism and other economic 
activities during the summit.
[snip]

=========================================================
From annewalker at iwtc.org  Fri Feb 13 07:34:38 2004
From: annewalker at iwtc.org (Anne S. Walker)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] The March meeting: suggestions
In-Reply-To: <BC516D38.3E96%meigs@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <BC52C93E.3DF%annewalker@iwtc.org>

I also support Karen's suggestion, and Tracy's re funding to be able to get
CS representatives to Tunis.

I was looking for a reference to the gender issue. Very little was won in
Geneva, lots still to be done.

Anne 




From wolfgang at imv.au.dk  Fri Feb 13 09:06:19 2004
From: wolfgang at imv.au.dk (wolfgang@imv.au.dk)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Internet Governance
Message-ID: <E1ArZH9-0002mD-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>

FYI

wolfgang

http://www.centr.org/news/20040205.html





From rfj at humanrights.dk  Fri Feb 13 10:11:07 2004
From: rfj at humanrights.dk (Rikke Frank Joergensen)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
Message-ID: <FB9BC442727367458C7B9274274B5CAC011AB10B@srvexc01.dupa.dk>

 

Hi, 

 

I am glad to see that C&T is a "born" participant in the Tunis meeting,
according to the information from Renata. 

 

However, it's still worrying that the family structure is the point of
access for CS at a meeting that will undoubtedly deal with both process
and content. And that effective means for participation in this 2. phase
will be so limited due to financial constrains on CS. 

 

Rikke

 

 

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From wolfgang at imv.au.dk  Fri Feb 13 10:37:20 2004
From: wolfgang at imv.au.dk (wolfgang@imv.au.dk)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:28 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
Message-ID: <E1ArahE-0004bK-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>

Dar all,

It should be clear (also for the Tunis organizers) that the "main organ" of CS is the CS Plenary. CS-P has two arms, "C&T" for Content (based on a broad range of WG and Caucuses) and the "Bureau" for Procedures. The so-called "C&T Liaison" is a full member of the Bureau. It is important to explain this "simple structure" to the newcomers from the very early day to avoid any misunderstanding. CS is organized bottom up. The Bureau does not take content related decisions. It facilitates the communications between other bodies and stakeholders and the different families, caucuses wg etc. of the Civil Society and deals with formal aspects (which room is needed when, which speaking slots should be reserved, when we should have a meeting with the intergovernmental office etc.)

It would be helpful to write a self-explaining one-pager (with an Organizational Chart) for distribution in Tunis. 

Best

wolfgang


-- Original Nachricht--
Von: Rikke Frank Joergensen <rfj@humanrights.dk>
An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Senden: 11:12 AM
Betreff: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting









?

Hi, 

?

I am glad to see that C&T is a "born" participant in the
Tunis meeting, according to the information from Renata. 

?

However, it?s still worrying that the family structure is the point
of access for CS at a meeting that will undoubtedly deal with both process and
content. And that effective means for participation in this 2. phase will be so
limited due to financial constrains on CS. 

?

Rikke

?

?












From rikp at bluewin.ch  Fri Feb 13 12:24:34 2004
From: rikp at bluewin.ch (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <E1ArahE-0004bK-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
References: <E1ArahE-0004bK-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
Message-ID: <94C2C4C0-5E1F-11D8-8A4A-000A95EA981E@bluewin.ch>

Wolfgang et al,

While I think it might be useful to have this document explaining CS 
structures, at least for ourselves, I am not so sure that the Tunisian 
hosts are all that concerned about this.  They simply want to know who 
is the "main" coordinating body among the various sectors, which for 
governments is the government bureau, for the private sector is the 
CCBI, and for NGOs is.... the Bureau and Content and Themes.  The 
Tunisian ambassador on Monday's briefing was clear:  he invited the 
respective bureau's and he expects the bureaus to work out amonst 
themselves who actually are the most appropriate people to attend, 
which might be delegated to someone not on the bureau.

Of course the CS plenary is sovereign, just as the government plenary 
is sovereign over the govt bureau.  But this doesn't help the summit 
hosts to know who to interact with directly from each sector.

It's important to note that governments are also apparently having some 
difficulties re-constituting among themselves the government bureau.  
There are apparently many more candidates than there are slots 
available, which is somewhat unusual.  Usually the regional groups 
already work this issue out quietly amongst themselves to avoid a more 
potentially politicized and controversial election procedure.

So really it is only the private sector that for the most part has 
seemed to be able to coordinate smoothly its own representation issues. 
  But that is also an open question, at least on my part.

Rik Panganiban


On 13 f?vr. 04, at 11:37, <wolfgang@imv.au.dk> wrote:

> Dar all,
>
> It should be clear (also for the Tunis organizers) that the "main 
> organ" of CS is the CS Plenary. CS-P has two arms, "C&T" for Content 
> (based on a broad range of WG and Caucuses) and the "Bureau" for 
> Procedures. The so-called "C&T Liaison" is a full member of the 
> Bureau. It is important to explain this "simple structure" to the 
> newcomers from the very early day to avoid any misunderstanding. CS is 
> organized bottom up. The Bureau does not take content related 
> decisions. It facilitates the communications between other bodies and 
> stakeholders and the different families, caucuses wg etc. of the Civil 
> Society and deals with formal aspects (which room is needed when, 
> which speaking slots should be reserved, when we should have a meeting 
> with the intergovernmental office etc.)
>
> It would be helpful to write a self-explaining one-pager (with an 
> Organizational Chart) for distribution in Tunis.
>
> Best
>
> wolfgang
>
>
> -- Original Nachricht--
> Von: Rikke Frank Joergensen <rfj@humanrights.dk>
> An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Senden: 11:12 AM
> Betreff: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ?
>
> Hi,
>
> ?
>
> I am glad to see that C&T is a "born" participant in the
> Tunis meeting, according to the information from Renata.
>
> ?
>
> However, it?s still worrying that the family structure is the point
> of access for CS at a meeting that will undoubtedly deal with both 
> process and
> content. And that effective means for participation in this 2. phase 
> will be so
> limited due to financial constrains on CS.
>
> ?
>
> Rikke
>
> ?
>
> ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>


From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Fri Feb 13 12:39:48 2004
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <94C2C4C0-5E1F-11D8-8A4A-000A95EA981E@bluewin.ch>
References: <E1ArahE-0004bK-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
 <94C2C4C0-5E1F-11D8-8A4A-000A95EA981E@bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <p05100317bc5274791705@[192.168.0.3]>

I thought we had the document, "Civil Society at the WSIS:  Basic 
Structures", written by Renata, Sean and Wolfgang in September 2003 
(around the time of PrepCom3?)

Or does it need updating?  item 5 about the civil society division 
probably does.

Text below.

Thanks,

Adam



Civil Society at the WSIS:  Basic Structures.

The following describes in summary the basic structures that civil 
society has developed over the preparatory process of the WSIS.

1. A key principle underlying the structures of civil society is that 
there must be multiple avenues and means for participation, and that 
all civil society entities can select the nature, level and extent of 
participation according to their needs and interests.

2. Civil Society can constitute itself into a Plenary (CSP) at every 
official convening of the WSIS process, such as Regional Conferences, 
PrepComs, Intersessional meetings and Summits. The CSP is open to the 
participation of all civil society participants. When convened, it is 
the ultimate civil society authority in the WSIS process, in relation 
to the mandate and scope of the specific event.  At PrepCom II, CSP 
endorsed the existence and terms of the Civil Society Content & 
Themes Group and the Civil Society Bureau.

3. The Civil Society Content and Themes Group (CS C&T) coordinates 
the work of numerous self-constituting civil society Caucuses, 
Working Groups and other content related entities.  It is charged 
with facilitating agreement on and taking decisions on 
content-related issues, while respecting the domain expertise and 
competence of Caucuses and Content Groups.  It reports regularly to 
the CS plenary on decisions taken.

4. The Civil Society Bureau (CSB) functions as an interlinkage 
between civil society participants and the intergovernmental Bureau 
and process, with regard to operational and logistical needs, 
procedures and interactions. It does not concern itself with 
content-related issues. The Bureau is constituted by 21 "family nodal 
points", that enable any civil society entity to find a "home", and 
it enhances interaction between all sections of civil society and 
between civil society and others.  The Civil Society Division of the 
WSIS Secretariat provides the Secretariat for the CS Bureau.  The 
Bureau reports regularly to the CS Plenary on decisions taken.

5. The Civil Society Division of the WSIS Secretariat (CSD) supports 
the activities of all civil society participants and entities in the 
Summit, including the above.  It may also provide support to 
participants who chose not to associate with some or all of the above 
entities, in a manner that respects the functions and authority of 
the above.

6. The CSP approved a Virtual CS Plenary group as an electronic forum 
between physical meetings of the CSP, to promote debate and greater 
transparency in the organisation of civil society during the Summit 
preparatory process, including between the various entities above. It 
is not a decision making entity, but decisions of other entities will 
be circulated there. It is open to all accredited entities, to 
registered bodies at WSIS meetings, and to all civil society entities 
with an active interest in the WSIS.  The e-mail address is 
plenary@wsis-cs.org

7. All the above entities will take action to ensure that, within the 
available resources, key decisions are taken only after consideration 
of the issues in the working languages of the Summit: English, French 
and Spanish.

Se?n ? Siochr?
Wolfgang Kleinwaechter
Renata Bloem?

12/09/2003



At 1:24 PM +0100 2/13/04, Rik Panganiban wrote:
>Wolfgang et al,
>
>While I think it might be useful to have this document explaining CS 
>structures, at least for ourselves, I am not so sure that the 
>Tunisian hosts are all that concerned about this.  They simply want 
>to know who is the "main" coordinating body among the various 
>sectors, which for governments is the government bureau, for the 
>private sector is the CCBI, and for NGOs is.... the Bureau and 
>Content and Themes.  The Tunisian ambassador on Monday's briefing 
>was clear:  he invited the respective bureau's and he expects the 
>bureaus to work out amonst themselves who actually are the most 
>appropriate people to attend, which might be delegated to someone 
>not on the bureau.
>
>Of course the CS plenary is sovereign, just as the government 
>plenary is sovereign over the govt bureau.  But this doesn't help 
>the summit hosts to know who to interact with directly from each 
>sector.
>
>It's important to note that governments are also apparently having 
>some difficulties re-constituting among themselves the government 
>bureau.  There are apparently many more candidates than there are 
>slots available, which is somewhat unusual.  Usually the regional 
>groups already work this issue out quietly amongst themselves to 
>avoid a more potentially politicized and controversial election 
>procedure.
>
>So really it is only the private sector that for the most part has 
>seemed to be able to coordinate smoothly its own representation 
>issues.  But that is also an open question, at least on my part.
>
>Rik Panganiban
>
>
>On 13 f?vr. 04, at 11:37, <wolfgang@imv.au.dk> wrote:
>
>>Dar all,
>>
>>It should be clear (also for the Tunis organizers) that the "main 
>>organ" of CS is the CS Plenary. CS-P has two arms, "C&T" for 
>>Content (based on a broad range of WG and Caucuses) and the 
>>"Bureau" for Procedures. The so-called "C&T Liaison" is a full 
>>member of the Bureau. It is important to explain this "simple 
>>structure" to the newcomers from the very early day to avoid any 
>>misunderstanding. CS is organized bottom up. The Bureau does not 
>>take content related decisions. It facilitates the communications 
>>between other bodies and stakeholders and the different families, 
>>caucuses wg etc. of the Civil Society and deals with formal aspects 
>>(which room is needed when, which speaking slots should be 
>>reserved, when we should have a meeting with the intergovernmental 
>>office etc.)
>>
>>It would be helpful to write a self-explaining one-pager (with an 
>>Organizational Chart) for distribution in Tunis.
>>
>>Best
>>
>>wolfgang
>>
>>
>>-- Original Nachricht--
>>Von: Rikke Frank Joergensen <rfj@humanrights.dk>
>>An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>Senden: 11:12 AM
>>Betreff: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>>I am glad to see that C&T is a "born" participant in the
>>Tunis meeting, according to the information from Renata.
>>
>>
>>
>>However, it?s still worrying that the family structure is the point
>>of access for CS at a meeting that will undoubtedly deal with both 
>>process and
>>content. And that effective means for participation in this 2. 
>>phase will be so
>>limited due to financial constrains on CS.
>>
>>
>>
>>Rikke
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Plenary mailing list
>>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>>
>
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>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


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From karenb at gn.apc.org  Fri Feb 13 14:27:20 2004
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <p05100317bc5274791705@[192.168.0.3]>
References: <94C2C4C0-5E1F-11D8-8A4A-000A95EA981E@bluewin.ch>
 <E1ArahE-0004bK-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
 <94C2C4C0-5E1F-11D8-8A4A-000A95EA981E@bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040213142356.03fa4420@pop.gn.apc.org>

dear all

adam said:
>I thought we had the document, "Civil Society at the WSIS:  Basic 
>Structures", written by Renata, Sean and Wolfgang in September 2003 
>(around the time of PrepCom3?)

This: http://www.wsis-cs.org/cs-overview.html - is the document on the 
website at the moment, which is drawn from the work of sean, renate and 
wolfgang (and others)

Can we work to update this one? as this is the most publically accessible 
document.

It would be useful to add wolfgang's note about the 'permanent liaison' 
role on the CSB - but that is a different issue to the respective roles of 
the bodies - CS plenary, CSCT and CSB

We must also translate whatever document we agree as our final public document.

karen

>>>It should be clear (also for the Tunis organizers) that the "main organ" 
>>>of CS is the CS Plenary. CS-P has two arms, "C&T" for Content (based on 
>>>a broad range of WG and Caucuses) and the "Bureau" for Procedures. The 
>>>so-called "C&T Liaison" is a full member of the Bureau. It is important 
>>>to explain this "simple structure" to the newcomers from the very early 
>>>day to avoid any misunderstanding. CS is organized bottom up. The Bureau 
>>>does not take content related decisions. It facilitates the 
>>>communications between other bodies and stakeholders and the different 
>>>families, caucuses wg etc. of the Civil Society and deals with formal 
>>>aspects (which room is needed when, which speaking slots should be 
>>>reserved, when we should have a meeting with the intergovernmental office etc.)



From wolfgang at imv.au.dk  Fri Feb 13 15:24:17 2004
From: wolfgang at imv.au.dk (wolfgang@imv.au.dk)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: AW: Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
Message-ID: <E1ArfAv-0002r9-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>

Rik wrote: They simply want to know who is the "main" coordinating body among the various sectors, which for governments is the government bureau, for the private sector is the CCBI, and for NGOs is.... the Bureau and Content and Themes.

Dear Rik,

I see the practical side of the problem. And as long as the Tunis March meeting discusses - as announced - mainly formalities, this is quite okay. One practical arrangement for CS could be to have a "troika" as spokespersons (nominated by CT, P and B)on behalf of CS, so that other stakeholders have a "contact point". The "troika" could rotate from PrepCom to PrepCom.

Just a proposal. Can be discussed online and in the Geneva meeting end of February.

wolfgang






From ambrosia at web.ca  Fri Feb 13 21:35:06 2004
From: ambrosia at web.ca (Alain Ambrosi)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Canadian_Civil_Society=22_sites_=28_first_and_only=29_/?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Les_sites_de_la_=22soci=E9t=E9_civile_canadienne=22?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?_=28suite_et_fin=29?=
Message-ID: <BB43A39C958E084B898770244DB67A7E74F164@onyris1.onyris.local>

(English version follows)


Bonjour, 

Au CMIC, le r?cent d?luge de longs et lourds messages nous a laiss? pantois et partag?s entre l'amusement et la tristesse. Il nous semble important de mettre les pendules ? l'heure non pour attiser la discussion mais pour en tirer des le?ons et peut ?tre essayer de b?tir quelque chose.

Liss, vous comprendrez qu'il y ait des r?actions quand on annonce ? LE ? site de la ? soci?t? civile canadienne ?  comme si 1) le concept et la r?alit? de cette ? soci?t? civile canadienne ? ?tait acquis et partag? par tous et toutes et que 2) m?me  si tel ?tait le cas, cette soci?t? civile ne m?ritait pas plus qu'un seul et unique site ! 

Si Robert Guerra a r?agi, de mani?re un peu abrupte il est vrai, c'est qu'il est surpris de voir qu'une nouvelle venue dans tout ce processus de concertation autour du SMSI au Canada et ? l'international vienne lancer ? le ? site qui va tout r?soudre.  

Le plus triste est qu'il semble que cet ?change est tout ? fait ? l'oppos? des r?sultats des longues et difficiles discussions de la ? soci?t? civile internationale ? dans le processus du SMSI. 
Le pluralisme, la diversit? des voix et des cultures, la communication dialogique, le primat des droits et des besoins humains sur la technologie, la reconnaissance de la richesse du caract?re h?t?rog?ne de la soci?t? civile , la pluralit? des ? soci?t?s de l'information ? sont les valeurs qui ont ?t? r?affirm?es.  
Mais plus que cela : ce que la grande n?buleuse qu'est la ? soci?t? civile ? a appris ? faire (tr?s difficilement et douloureusement parfois !) dans ce processus est ? se conna?tre, ? se respecter, ? d?velopper une expertise citoyenne propre et ? la faire respecter par les autres acteurs, ? (surtout) travailler ensemble de fa?on d?mocratique. Je rajouterai peut-?tre aussi ? ne pas personnaliser les d?bats. 

Au CMIC on a rien ? vendre et rien ? prouver. Nous avons ?t? constitu? en 2001 par une assembl?e pan canadienne constitu?e principalement de praticiens, mais aussi de checheurs et intervenants politiques dans le champ des TIC.  Notre conseil d'administration compte aujourd'hui des repr?sentants de r?seaux citoyens ? coast to coast ? en plus de deux membres ?trangers. Nous avons particip? aux pr?paratifs du processus du SMSI avant que celui-ci ne soit officiellement lanc?. Nous avons organis? un congr?s international de praticiens des r?seaux citoyens en 2002 avec la pr?sence de M. Adama Samass?kou et le patronage de l'UNESCO. Nous sommes impliqu?s dans le milieu communautaire et populaire du Qu?bec. Nous faisons partie d'un partenariat international GlobalCN tr?s d?centralis? et sans aucun secr?tariat. Nous avons document? le processus de r?flexion de la soci?t? civile tout au long du processus. Notre portail trilingue et interactif en est la preuve. <http://www.globalcn.org>


 Nous ne pr?tendons repr?senter personne que nos membres. Nous sommes conscients que la construction d'une soci?t? de la communication plurielle et d?mocratique est et sera un ?ternel requis dans un long processus dont Gen?ve et Tunis ne sont que des ?tapes.  

Ceci dit, que se multiplient les sites, les rencontres et les concertations dans le respect des savoirs et des cultures c'est peut-?tre ce qu'on peut  souhaiter de mieux au Canada et ? l'ensemble de la plan?te. 

Consacrons donc nos ?nergies ? b?tir une "soci?t? des savoirs partag?s" ?quitable et durable. 

Alain Ambrosi
Directeur / Director
Carrefour Mondial de l'Internet Citoyen 
World Forum on Community Networking
ambrosia@web.ca
http://www.globalcn.org
tel: 1 (514) 847 0745
cell: 1 (514) 833 0745

**********************************************

Hi there, 

Here at the World Forum on Community Networking (WFCN) we've witnessed this recent and intense flow of long and ponderous messages astonished and wavering between amusement and sadness. We believe it is important to straighten out a few facts and we hope this will help to draw some lessons and to build something useful rather than stir up the debate.

Liss, you shouldn't be surprised that the announcement of the launching of THE web site of the "Canadian civil society" has caused such reactions, as if you were convinced 1) that the concept and the reality of such a "Canadian civil society" was accepted and shared by all and 2) that, had it been the case, that civil society did not deserve more than one and only site!

If Robert Guerra reacted, a bit bluntly to tell the truth, it may be because he was surprised to see a new actor in this broad international and Canadian concertation process having THE solution by launching THE web site of THE "Canadian civil society".

To us, the really sad aspect of this exchange of messages is that it is totally contrary to the results of the long and difficult discussions conducted by the "international civil society" throughout the WSIS process. Pluralism, cultural diversity, diversity of voices, communication through dialogue, primacy of human rights and human needs over technology, the wealth of the heterogeneity of civil society, the plurality of the "information societies", are values that have been reaffirmed by civil society.

But above all, in this process ? civil society ?, that huge nebula, learned (with great difficulty and sometimes painfully) to know and respect itself, to develop its own expertise and to fight for its recognition and, most particularly, to work together, democratically. If I may also add, it learned not to personalize the debates.

The WFCN doesn't have any thing to sell or to prove. The WFCN was created in 2001 by a founding assembly of mainly ICT practitioners, but also investigators and political activists from all over Canada. Today, our Board of Directors is made of Canadian "coast to coast" community networks and overseas organizations representatives. The WFCN has been part of the WSIS preparatory process before it was officially launched. The WFCN organized an international conference of community networks (GlobalCN 2002) sponsored by UNESCO and with Mr. Adama Samass?kou as one of the keynote speakers. The WFCN is also involved in the popular and community movement in Quebec. It is part of the international GlobalCN Partnership which is very decentralized and doesn't have a secretariat. The WFCN has also documented the participation of civil society throughout the whole WSIS process on the trilingual portal "Platform for Community Networks" (<http://www.globalcn.org> )

We do not pretend to represent anybody else than our members. We are well aware that the edification of a democratic and diversified communication society is and will remain an everlasting requisite in a long process in which Geneva and Tunis are mere stages.

Having said this, the multiplication of web sites, meetings, concertation processes with all due respect to the diversity of knowledge and cultures is maybe the best thing we can wish to Canada and to the whole Earth.

Let's get back to work on an equitable and sustainable communication society: la soci?t? des savoirs partag?s" (a shared knowledge society ??)

Alain Ambrosi
Directeur / Director
Carrefour Mondial de l'Internet Citoyen 
World Forum on Community Networking
ambrosia@web.ca
http://www.globalcn.org
tel: 1 (514) 847 0745
cell: 1 (514) 833 0745



 




From ralf.bendrath at sfb597.uni-bremen.de  Sat Feb 14 01:10:18 2004
From: ralf.bendrath at sfb597.uni-bremen.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Tunisia Pledges Openness for Second WSIS
Message-ID: <402D757A.50115D03@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>

Let's see what they _really_ do. At least the press has picked this up
quickly. 
Good overview on recent developments anyway, this article.
Ralf

------------------------------------

http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=22326

COMMUNICATIONS:
Tunisia Pledges Openness for Second WSIS

Gustavo Capdevila

GENEVA, Feb 9 (IPS) - The government of Tunisia has assured that all
civil society organisations will be allowed to participate in the second
phase of the World Summit on the Information Society, to take place in
Tunis next year, the follow-up to last December's meet in Geneva.

Accredited groups will be welcome to take part, including ?those that
enjoy criticising? the government of President Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali,
Tunisia's representative to the WSIS, Habib Mansour, said Monday.

With these statements, Mansour sought to remove any doubts among
non-governmental organisations and other members of civil society about
the atmosphere of freedom he assures will prevail at the United
Nations-sponsored Summit, slated for Nov. 16-18, 2005.

At that second-phase gathering, delegates are to continue deliberations
on fair access to information and communications technology (ICTs).

Mansour offered these assurances during a meeting convened here Monday
by CONGO, the Conference of Non-Governmental Organisations that hold
consultative status at the United Nations.

CONGO president Renate Bloem took Mansour's words to heart: ?Now we know
that in Tunis all of civil society will participate, including the
organisations that are critical of the government; that is clear.?

A representative of the International Federation for Human Rights
(FIDH), Beatrice Quadranti, had called on Mansour to explain what his
government's policy would be during the WSIS towards the organisations
that work for freedom of expression in Tunisia.

Quadranti objected to the Tunisian delegate's statements about the
supposedly clean record of his country in terms of human rights. She
noted that human rights activists had been rejected entry into Tunisia
in recent weeks.

Mansour responded that there would be no such problems during next
year's Summit. ?The NGOs will have the opportunity to come and see that
the people are happy and have a decent life.?

The first phase of the WSIS, held last Dec. 10-12 in Geneva, marked the
first time that civil society representatives participated in an
international conference at this level.

There the delegates approved a declaration of principles about the
expansion of information technology and a plan of action aimed at
bridging the ?digital divide?, the disparity between rich and poor
countries in access to these resources.

The second part, in Tunis, the international delegates are to assess the
progress made towards the goals set out in the declaration and in the
plan of action.

Among the issues left pending from the Geneva meet are the policies for
governing the Internet and plans to finance the dissemination of ICTs in
developing countries, the latter based on a digital solidarity fund
proposed by several nations, mostly from Africa.

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan received the mandate from the first
WSIS to advance in the consideration of those two matters.

As for Internet governance, some developing countries have proposed a
reform of the system under which the U.S.-based private Internet
Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) holds authority over
a great portion of the worldwide web in terms of domain names.

The private sector has challenged the proposal of developing countries
to give inter-governmental agencies -- like the International
Telecommunication Union (ITU) -- a role in Internet governance.

The International Chamber of Commerce, which represents the private
sector in the WSIS negotiations, says the countries pushing for reform
have governments that control most infrastructure, such as telecoms, but
at the same time provide only limited Internet access.

An open world forum on Internet governance is to take place in New York,
Mar. 25-26, convened by the U.N. Information and Communications
Technologies Task Force.

Expected to emerge from that debate -- to involve representatives of
government, inter-government agencies, the private sector and civil
society -- will be the guidelines and criteria that Annan is to follow
for setting up the working group on Internet governance, as mandated by
the WSIS in Geneva.

Prior to that, on Feb. 26-27, the issue will be taken up in a workshop
on Internet governance, organised in Geneva by the ITU, which is also
sponsoring the WSIS process in representation of the United Nations.

Shortly thereafter, Mar. 3-4, a meeting is to take place in Tunis about
the future of the Summit itself, with invitations going out to
representatives of the same groups -- government, private sector, NGOs.

But the degree of participation of civil society in the Summit in 2005
will depend on the resources available. Bloem told the delegates from
Tunisia and from the ITU on Monday that this is a matter that requires
?serious discussion?.

The Swiss government, which financed a large portion of the expenses for
the civil society's participation in the Geneva Summit, has already
announced that it will not be able to maintain that level of support.

But Switzerland will not abandon civil society, which together with the
communications media have become ?major stakeholders? in the information
society, said Daniel Stauffacher, a member of the Swiss delegation to
the WSIS.

The NGOs that participated in the first phase of the WSIS in Geneva are
assured of being registered for the second phase in Tunis.

Charles Geiger, head of the WSIS executive secretariat in Geneva,
announced that the registration of new civil society participants should
be carried out via the ITU web site.

From wdrake at ictsd.ch  Sat Feb 14 10:10:16 2004
From: wdrake at ictsd.ch (William Drake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <94C2C4C0-5E1F-11D8-8A4A-000A95EA981E@bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <MABBIHAAPBEEGMLBDEGOIEMKCOAA.wdrake@ictsd.ch>

Hi Wolfgang,

> Dar all,
>
> It should be clear (also for the Tunis organizers) that the "main
> organ" of CS is the CS Plenary. CS-P has two arms, "C&T" for Content
> (based on a broad range of WG and Caucuses) and the "Bureau" for
> Procedures. The so-called "C&T Liaison" is a full member of the

The Tunisian government is probably not all that aware of or concerned about
the details of the CS structure; certainly the ambassador gave no hint of
this at the CONGO meeting.  I suspect they think that by inviting the bureau
to Tunis to plan they've done all they need to do.

> Bureau. It is important to explain this "simple structure" to the
> newcomers from the very early day to avoid any misunderstanding. CS is
> organized bottom up. The Bureau does not take content related
> decisions. It facilitates the communications between other bodies and
> stakeholders and the different families, caucuses wg etc. of the Civil
> Society and deals with formal aspects (which room is needed when,
> which speaking slots should be reserved, when we should have a meeting
> with the intergovernmental office etc.)

Sorry, but I don't think this really responds to what Rikke said.  The issue
here is not whether there are 'newcomers' who don't know the structure or
understand the process/substance division (which I am sure the Tunis meeting
will blur).  Rather, it's whether the structure is optimally configured in
terms of democratic representation.  This concern has been raised on the
list a number of times by by many 'old timers.'   Why should the bureau
comprise only families rather than also including people from the caucuses
and working groups, which after all were created bottom up and have
contributed heavily?  Why wouldn't we want the bureau to comprise reps of
the most active groupings, irrespective of which of the three forms they
take?

Cheers,

Bill

-------------

> > -- Original Nachricht--
> > Von: Rikke Frank Joergensen <rfj@humanrights.dk>
> > An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > Senden: 11:12 AM
> > Betreff: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
> >> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am glad to see that C&T is a "born" participant in the
> > Tunis meeting, according to the information from Renata.
> >
> > However, it?s still worrying that the family structure is the point
> > of access for CS at a meeting that will undoubtedly deal with both
> > process and
> > content. And that effective means for participation in this 2. phase
> > will be so
> > limited due to financial constrains on CS.
> >
> > Rikke



From ljeffrey at ecommons.net  Sat Feb 14 14:31:10 2004
From: ljeffrey at ecommons.net (Liss Jeffrey)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Rencontre informelle sur le Smsi ; Montreal Wsis-Smsi meeting
In-Reply-To: <BB43A39C958E084B898770244DB67A7E74F164@onyris1.onyris.loca
 l>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040214092707.03f1a1b0@141.117.45.50>

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From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Sat Feb 14 22:15:23 2004
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Fullsack Jean-Louis)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
References: <94C2C4C0-5E1F-11D8-8A4A-000A95EA981E@bluewin.ch> <E1ArahE-0004bK-00@smtp.imv.au.dk> <94C2C4C0-5E1F-11D8-8A4A-000A95EA981E@bluewin.ch> <5.2.1.1.0.20040213142356.03fa4420@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <001e01c3f348$0c08bd00$0a00000a@default>

Fran?ais ci-dessous
Dear Karen, Wolfgang and all

The document about basic structures of CS at the WSIS should be completed by
adding the "focal persons" and their respective domain as Bill McIver
already suggested. Indeed, this is very important as far as a certain level
of expertise is concerned/asked for.
Jean-Louis Fullsack
Focal person "Access - Infrastructure- Financing"
e-mail jlfullsack@wanadoo.fr
CS C&T Group

Chers Karen, Wolfgang et tous

Le document sur les structures de base de la SC au SMSI devraient ?tre
compl?t?es par l'ajout des "personnes focales" et de leur domaine respectif
comme Bill  McIver l'avait d?j?  sugg?r?. En effet, cela est tr?s important
dans la mesure o? un certain niveau d'expertise est concern?/sollicit?.
Jean-Louis Fullsack
courriel jlfullsack@wanadoo.fr
Personne focale "Acc?s - Infrastructure- Financement"
Groupe C&T de la SC

----- Original Message -----
From: "karen banks" <karenb@gn.apc.org>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting


> dear all
>
> adam said:
> >I thought we had the document, "Civil Society at the WSIS:  Basic
> >Structures", written by Renata, Sean and Wolfgang in September 2003
> >(around the time of PrepCom3?)
>
> This: http://www.wsis-cs.org/cs-overview.html - is the document on the
> website at the moment, which is drawn from the work of sean, renate and
> wolfgang (and others)
>
> Can we work to update this one? as this is the most publically accessible
> document.
>
> It would be useful to add wolfgang's note about the 'permanent liaison'
> role on the CSB - but that is a different issue to the respective roles of
> the bodies - CS plenary, CSCT and CSB
>
> We must also translate whatever document we agree as our final public
document.
>
> karen
>
> >>>It should be clear (also for the Tunis organizers) that the "main
organ"
> >>>of CS is the CS Plenary. CS-P has two arms, "C&T" for Content (based on
> >>>a broad range of WG and Caucuses) and the "Bureau" for Procedures. The
> >>>so-called "C&T Liaison" is a full member of the Bureau. It is important
> >>>to explain this "simple structure" to the newcomers from the very early
> >>>day to avoid any misunderstanding. CS is organized bottom up. The
Bureau
> >>>does not take content related decisions. It facilitates the
> >>>communications between other bodies and stakeholders and the different
> >>>families, caucuses wg etc. of the Civil Society and deals with formal
> >>>aspects (which room is needed when, which speaking slots should be
> >>>reserved, when we should have a meeting with the intergovernmental
office etc.)
>
>
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> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
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From thetha at sangonet.org.za  Mon Feb 16 09:27:11 2004
From: thetha at sangonet.org.za (Sangonet)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [WSIS THETHA] SOUTH AFRICA'S E-GOVERNMENT PORTAL WILL BE ON EXISTING GOVT WEB SITE
Message-ID: <NGBBIBPAELKLKCDPLFHJKEBOCIAA.thetha@sangonet.org.za>

The e-Government Gateway portal will be made available through the existing
government web site (www.gov.za), building on the familiarity that South
Africans already have with government information. This according to Public
Service and Administration Minister Geraldine Frasier-Moleketi addressing
the media in Cape Town last week.

The project is aimed at setting up integrated one-stop service centres, to
allow the public a 24-hour incorporated access to a range of government
services.Government aims to use the Gateway Project (e-government) to
deliver optimised service delivery, public participation and governance
through technology such as the Internet and new media. The Minister said the
test site for the project could be accessed on services@gov.za.

She said the launch of the first phase would focus on improved information
on services, while the second phase would provide a base for on-line
transactional services."The production site contains content regarding 4600
services offered by government. The launch of the portal will coincide with
the development team reaching the required target for data verification,"
the Minister explained.
She said additional service points benefiting from the central portal would
be available in 55 sites across the country provided by the South African
Post Office through Citizen Post Offices, Public Information Terminals and
Internet Cafes.

"Making use of the wide penetration of fixed line but in particular mobile
telephony, citizens will be able to access information from the portal
through a national call centre, using the 1020 number," Minister
Frasier-Moleketi said.

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From: duhamic at rwanda1.com (DUHAMIC-ADRI)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Rencontre informelle sur le Smsi ; Montreal Wsis-Smsi meeting
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040214092707.03f1a1b0@141.117.45.50>
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Merci de ce message 

Benineza Innocent
DUHAMIC ADRI
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Liss Jeffrey 
  To: plenary@wsis-cs.org 
  Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 4:31 PM
  Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Rencontre informelle sur le Smsi ; Montreal Wsis-Smsi meeting



  Rencontre informelle sur le Smsi 
  Location:St-Denis, Contactez tliacas@ecommons.net 
  19 f?v., 18-20h. 
  St-Denis, Montr?al 

  Une rencontre informelle sur le SMSI, les comptes rendus de Gen?ve et les prochaines ?tapes necessaires en se pr?parant pour Tunis... Venez partager vos impressions sur le proc?s, ?couter les comptes rendus et discuter le plan d'attaque. Des renseignements sur les pr?sentateurs seront affich?s ici bient?t. Liss Jeffrey, eCommons/agora; Marcelo Solervicens, Secr?taire g?n?ral, AMARC. Contactez tliacas@ecommons.net ou ljeffrey@ecommons.net pour les d?tails. Vous ?tes tous bienvenus. (Un grand merci a notre coll?gue Claude-Yves Charron de l'Orbicom, membre de la d?l?gation candienne de la societ? civile pour co-animer cette rencontre avec nous).
  http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca

  Montreal Wsis-Smsi meeting 
  Location:St-Denis, Contact tliacas@ecommons.net 
  Feb. 19, 6 - 8 PM Informal meeting - on WSIS - SMSI - co hosted with CS rep to Geneva Professor Claude Yves Charron - Results from Geneva? Where is the process going now in Phase 2 to Tunis? Where do we want this to go? What are we doing to get there, what should we be doing? Come and share information, hear first hand reports, discuss next steps. Information on speakers will be updated here. Co-hosted by Professor Claude Yves Charron, Orbicom and vice-rector, UQUAM, CS member Canadian delegation to WSIS-SMSI, Dr Liss Jeffrey, director eCommons-agora, McLuhan global research network, CS member Canadian delegation WSIS - SMSI, Marcelo Solervicens, Secr?taire g?n?ral, AMARC. 
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From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Mon Feb 16 13:17:17 2004
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Fullsack Jean-Louis)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
References: <MABBIHAAPBEEGMLBDEGOIEMKCOAA.wdrake@ictsd.ch>
Message-ID: <00a001c3f48f$347fd780$0a00000a@default>

En fran?ais ci-dessous
Dear all

I fully support Bill's opinion as far as the CS bureau is concerned. There
is an original mistake due to members of Fondation du Devenir who created
these families on a unilateral basis perhaps for a "better" monitoring of
the CS ...
Anyway, working groups have significantly contributed to CS's documents and
expression during the WSIS first phase (far more than a number of families)
and therefore deserve to be represented in the Bureau. This isn't only a
"personal concern" but an issue related matter of fact. And some major
issues are still outstanding such as Internet gouvernance and what's
basically specific for Africa : infrastructure, access and financing.
Another main issue still to be addressed is international cooperation.
Unfortunately there are no families to deal with the  latter two issues.
This is particularly regretable since the tunisean phase compulsorily
will/must focus on these as major inputs for any concrete Action Plan to be
issued as THE outcome of the Tunis Summit that all African delegations -both
gouvernmental and civil organisations'- expect from this event on their
continent.

Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT

Bonjour ? tous

Je soutiens enti?rement le point de vue de Bill concernant le Bureau de la
SC. Il y a une faute originelle commise par les membres de la Fondation du
devenir qui ont cr?? ces familles de mani?re unilat?rale peut-?tre en vue de
"mieux" piloter la SC ...
Qu'importe, les groupes de travail ont significativement contribu? aux
documents et ? l'expression de la SC (bien plus qu'un certain nombre de
familles) pendant la premi?re phase du SMSI et pour cette raison ils
m?ritent d'?tre repr?sent?s au Bureau. Ce n'est pas seulement une question
de personne mais une mati?re factuelle li? aux probl?mes eux-m?mes. Et
certains probl?mes des plus importants sont toujours en instance, comme la
gouvernance d'Internet et ce qui est essentiellement sp?cifique pour
l'Afrique : l'acc?s, l'infrastructure et le financement. Un autre probl?me
majeur ? tra?ter concerne  la coope?ration internationale. Malheureusement
il n'y a pas de familles tra?tant de ces deux derniers probl?mes. Cela est
particuli?rement regrettable car la phase tunisienne devra obligatoirement
se concentrer sur eux en tant que contributions majeures pour n'importe quel
Plan d'Action qui sera publi? en tant que LE r?sultat du Sommet de Tunis que
toutes les organisations africaines -gouvernementales comme civiles-
attendent de cet ?v?nement sur leur continent.

Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Drake" <wdrake@ictsd.ch>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 11:10 AM
Subject: RE: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting


> Hi Wolfgang,
>
> > Dar all,
> >
> > It should be clear (also for the Tunis organizers) that the "main
> > organ" of CS is the CS Plenary. CS-P has two arms, "C&T" for Content
> > (based on a broad range of WG and Caucuses) and the "Bureau" for
> > Procedures. The so-called "C&T Liaison" is a full member of the
>
> The Tunisian government is probably not all that aware of or concerned
about
> the details of the CS structure; certainly the ambassador gave no hint of
> this at the CONGO meeting.  I suspect they think that by inviting the
bureau
> to Tunis to plan they've done all they need to do.
>
> > Bureau. It is important to explain this "simple structure" to the
> > newcomers from the very early day to avoid any misunderstanding. CS is
> > organized bottom up. The Bureau does not take content related
> > decisions. It facilitates the communications between other bodies and
> > stakeholders and the different families, caucuses wg etc. of the Civil
> > Society and deals with formal aspects (which room is needed when,
> > which speaking slots should be reserved, when we should have a meeting
> > with the intergovernmental office etc.)
>
> Sorry, but I don't think this really responds to what Rikke said.  The
issue
> here is not whether there are 'newcomers' who don't know the structure or
> understand the process/substance division (which I am sure the Tunis
meeting
> will blur).  Rather, it's whether the structure is optimally configured in
> terms of democratic representation.  This concern has been raised on the
> list a number of times by by many 'old timers.'   Why should the bureau
> comprise only families rather than also including people from the caucuses
> and working groups, which after all were created bottom up and have
> contributed heavily?  Why wouldn't we want the bureau to comprise reps of
> the most active groupings, irrespective of which of the three forms they
> take?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill
>
> -------------
>
> > > -- Original Nachricht--
> > > Von: Rikke Frank Joergensen <rfj@humanrights.dk>
> > > An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > > Senden: 11:12 AM
> > > Betreff: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
> > >> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I am glad to see that C&T is a "born" participant in the
> > > Tunis meeting, according to the information from Renata.
> > >
> > > However, it?s still worrying that the family structure is the point
> > > of access for CS at a meeting that will undoubtedly deal with both
> > > process and
> > > content. And that effective means for participation in this 2. phase
> > > will be so
> > > limited due to financial constrains on CS.
> > >
> > > Rikke
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


From t.naughton at iafrica.com  Mon Feb 16 15:28:15 2004
From: t.naughton at iafrica.com (Tracey Naughton)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <00a001c3f48f$347fd780$0a00000a@default>
Message-ID: <BC56AE2F.3AA1%t.naughton@iafrica.com>

Dear Jean-Louis

Thank you for noting that Africa has specific issues that need to be
addressed. I just wanted to clarify that there is a 'family' member for
Africa on the CSB - Olivier Nana Nzepa.

There is also active discussion - though a whole continent with this many
countries makes such discussion cumbersome - on a list about how to
galvanise African civil society and prioritise issues. This is hosted by the
United Nations Economic Commission for Africa - UNECA and an archive of
discussions can be traced on http://www.uneca.org/aisi/sitemap.htm - go to
the outreach then e-lists section. There is a problem at the moment and only
the last couple of weeks messages can be seen.

Recently Regional Co-ordinators and a 'Cabinet' steering committee have been
formed to take the African civil society process and content issues forward.
There are attempts to get to the Tunis meeting - though as with everyone,
there are resource constraints (to put it mildly).

Then African Civil Society has a web site.
http://www.wsis-cs.org/africa/

We in the African Caucus are aware of being a weak link in terms of input
and this too gets discussed!

We all hope the situation improves but working virtually with so many people
and two major languages is not proving to be effective, yet.

Regards

Tracey Naughton

On 2/16/04 3:17 PM, "Fullsack Jean-Louis" <jlfullsack@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> Jean-Louis

 
Nyaka - Communication & Development
Tracey Naughton
Consultant
201 Somerset Hall
239 Oxford Road
Illovo  2196
South Africa

Phone/fax:    +27 (0) 11 880 5030
cell:               +27 (0) 82 821 1771
Email:              t.naughton@iafrica.com



From wdrake at ictsd.ch  Tue Feb 17 13:29:55 2004
From: wdrake at ictsd.ch (William Drake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] bureau organization
In-Reply-To: <00a001c3f48f$347fd780$0a00000a@default>
Message-ID: <MABBIHAAPBEEGMLBDEGOOEBFCPAA.wdrake@ictsd.ch>

Hi Jean-Louis,

Thanks for your note, but just let me clarify my view, which I gather is a
little different from yours.  In raising the bureau issue at the CONGO
meeting in Geneva and here on the list, I was in no way criticizing Alain
and Louise, the bureau, or the families, and certainly was not implying that
the latter were created to 'monitor CS' as you suggest.  When this was done,
CS's organization was still nascent and fluid, the secretariat needed a
structure akin to the other bureaus that it could interface with, and that
structure needed constituent groupings behind it.  While some people have
expressed concerns about the resulting architecture and it's 'top down'
genesis (and I'll never forget attending a surreal meeting  at PC 2 where we
sat around trying to figure out if we were a 'social movement' or fit under
another of the labels), in the end everyone worked together and things went
pretty well.  So, no criticism implied.

The question is simply this.  Since that architecture was created, there has
been a bottom up blossoming of working groups and caucuses, and these groups
have lots of active and dedicated members, have generated texts and other
inputs, etc.  And let's be honest, the same can't be said of every one of
the families, which after all were categories offered to us that didn't
always attract big populations.  So as we look to the next phase of WSIS,
would it not make more sense for us to think about how we have actually
self-organized and have a bureau comprising people from the most active,
member-based groupings, irrespective of whether they're called families,
working groups, or caucuses?  I can't see any reason to continue having only
one type represented just because that's the structure that was established
long ago; path dependency with no feedback loops is not a good model.

To be clear, I recognize that the bureau just does process (although there
will be content covered in Tunis) and has done it well, that its function is
not really constituent 'representation' per se, and that it would take time
to devise a collectively agreed alternative, but I still think a more
diverse representation/involvement/whatever could be useful in terms of
information flow and overall coordination.  While I personally have no
interest in being on the bureau, there are others who might bring in new
energy with such a change.

We need to be a learning network, if not organization, and to assess
everything we've done so far---what worked, what sort of worked, what
didn't, and why---with an eye to strengthening the mechanisms for CS
participation.  This will be especially important because phase II looks to
be different in focus and dynamics.

Cheers,

Bill Drake

> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> Behalf Of Fullsack Jean-Louis
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 2:17 PM
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Subject: Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
>
>
> En fran?ais ci-dessous
> Dear all
>
> I fully support Bill's opinion as far as the CS bureau is concerned. There
> is an original mistake due to members of Fondation du Devenir who created
> these families on a unilateral basis perhaps for a "better" monitoring of
> the CS ...
> Anyway, working groups have significantly contributed to CS's
> documents and
> expression during the WSIS first phase (far more than a number of
> families)
> and therefore deserve to be represented in the Bureau. This isn't only a
> "personal concern" but an issue related matter of fact. And some major
> issues are still outstanding such as Internet gouvernance and what's
> basically specific for Africa : infrastructure, access and financing.
> Another main issue still to be addressed is international cooperation.
> Unfortunately there are no families to deal with the  latter two issues.
> This is particularly regretable since the tunisean phase compulsorily
> will/must focus on these as major inputs for any concrete Action
> Plan to be
> issued as THE outcome of the Tunis Summit that all African
> delegations -both
> gouvernmental and civil organisations'- expect from this event on their
> continent.
>
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> CSDPTT
>
> Bonjour ? tous
>
> Je soutiens enti?rement le point de vue de Bill concernant le Bureau de la
> SC. Il y a une faute originelle commise par les membres de la Fondation du
> devenir qui ont cr?? ces familles de mani?re unilat?rale
> peut-?tre en vue de
> "mieux" piloter la SC ...
> Qu'importe, les groupes de travail ont significativement contribu? aux
> documents et ? l'expression de la SC (bien plus qu'un certain nombre de
> familles) pendant la premi?re phase du SMSI et pour cette raison ils
> m?ritent d'?tre repr?sent?s au Bureau. Ce n'est pas seulement une question
> de personne mais une mati?re factuelle li? aux probl?mes eux-m?mes. Et
> certains probl?mes des plus importants sont toujours en instance, comme la
> gouvernance d'Internet et ce qui est essentiellement sp?cifique pour
> l'Afrique : l'acc?s, l'infrastructure et le financement. Un autre probl?me
> majeur ? tra?ter concerne  la coope?ration internationale. Malheureusement
> il n'y a pas de familles tra?tant de ces deux derniers probl?mes. Cela est
> particuli?rement regrettable car la phase tunisienne devra obligatoirement
> se concentrer sur eux en tant que contributions majeures pour
> n'importe quel
> Plan d'Action qui sera publi? en tant que LE r?sultat du Sommet
> de Tunis que
> toutes les organisations africaines -gouvernementales comme civiles-
> attendent de cet ?v?nement sur leur continent.
>
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> CSDPTT
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Drake" <wdrake@ictsd.ch>
> To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 11:10 AM
> Subject: RE: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
>
>
> > Hi Wolfgang,
> >
> > > Dar all,
> > >
> > > It should be clear (also for the Tunis organizers) that the "main
> > > organ" of CS is the CS Plenary. CS-P has two arms, "C&T" for Content
> > > (based on a broad range of WG and Caucuses) and the "Bureau" for
> > > Procedures. The so-called "C&T Liaison" is a full member of the
> >
> > The Tunisian government is probably not all that aware of or concerned
> about
> > the details of the CS structure; certainly the ambassador gave
> no hint of
> > this at the CONGO meeting.  I suspect they think that by inviting the
> bureau
> > to Tunis to plan they've done all they need to do.
> >
> > > Bureau. It is important to explain this "simple structure" to the
> > > newcomers from the very early day to avoid any misunderstanding. CS is
> > > organized bottom up. The Bureau does not take content related
> > > decisions. It facilitates the communications between other bodies and
> > > stakeholders and the different families, caucuses wg etc. of the Civil
> > > Society and deals with formal aspects (which room is needed when,
> > > which speaking slots should be reserved, when we should have a meeting
> > > with the intergovernmental office etc.)
> >
> > Sorry, but I don't think this really responds to what Rikke said.  The
> issue
> > here is not whether there are 'newcomers' who don't know the
> structure or
> > understand the process/substance division (which I am sure the Tunis
> meeting
> > will blur).  Rather, it's whether the structure is optimally
> configured in
> > terms of democratic representation.  This concern has been raised on the
> > list a number of times by by many 'old timers.'   Why should the bureau
> > comprise only families rather than also including people from
> the caucuses
> > and working groups, which after all were created bottom up and have
> > contributed heavily?  Why wouldn't we want the bureau to
> comprise reps of
> > the most active groupings, irrespective of which of the three forms they
> > take?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > -------------
> >
> > > > -- Original Nachricht--
> > > > Von: Rikke Frank Joergensen <rfj@humanrights.dk>
> > > > An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > > > Senden: 11:12 AM
> > > > Betreff: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
> > > >> >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I am glad to see that C&T is a "born" participant in the
> > > > Tunis meeting, according to the information from Renata.
> > > >
> > > > However, it?s still worrying that the family structure is the point
> > > > of access for CS at a meeting that will undoubtedly deal with both
> > > > process and
> > > > content. And that effective means for participation in this 2. phase
> > > > will be so
> > > > limited due to financial constrains on CS.
> > > >
> > > > Rikke
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Plenary mailing list
> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>
>



From wdrake at ictsd.ch  Tue Feb 17 13:39:57 2004
From: wdrake at ictsd.ch (William Drake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] FW: ITU IG meeting next week
Message-ID: <MABBIHAAPBEEGMLBDEGOMEBGCPAA.wdrake@ictsd.ch>

Perhaps of interest to someone outside the IG caucus...

-----Original Message-----
From: William Drake [mailto:wdrake@ictsd.ch]
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 1:22 PM
To: Governance
Subject: ITU IG meeting next week


Hi,

Since there has been some concern expressed about who is the ITU inviting, what's the hidden agenda, etc., people might be interested to know that in fact this all appears to be pretty loose.  Indeed, I got a call last week from ITU saying who are these people who've asked for invitations as experts (ITU says most approached them about participating, rather than the reverse), how do we use them, and what makes sense as an agenda?  So I spent a day over there with staff and a Swiss government rep helping with planning and really, if there is a hidden agenda beyond the obvious fact that there are ITU parties that generally would like to see ITU play more of a role, it sure wasn't obvious.  Utsumi told them to organize a meeting so they were rushing to do so with the relevant staff heading out of town and members being slow to reply to the invite.  Notably, at least at that point, most of the confirmed government representatives seemed to be people popping over from the Geneva missions, rather senior decision makers from national capitals---perhaps an indication of the significance they attach to this event, in contrast to say this summer's Council meeting.  Of course, this could change and maybe the concerned parties will try to organize a real full court press, but it's not obvious when over the two days this would happen and what it could entail.  If you look at the agenda that has just been posted,  http://www.itu.int/osg/spu/forum/intgov04/agenda.html, it's just one panel of speakers after another and then we're done---an ITU workshop, not a negotiation, just like the one I'm attending here today on spectrum management.  Also, it's worth underscoring that all of the CS IG caucus members in attendance now have speaking roles, so while we don't have a designated caucus rep speaking as such, we can hardly say that the sort of views held in this group will not be represented.

In sum, it's good that we'll be able to weigh in on the discussions, but in the end this seems unlikely to be of intergalactic importance.  Maybe some member reps will come away with different understandings of Internet governance, maybe they won't, but they will not be in a position under the ITU treaties to make any important decisions in either case.

Best,

Bill

******************************************

William J. Drake
Geneva, Switzerland

wdrake@ictsd.ch 

http://www.citi.columbia.edu/affiliates/wdrake.htm 

Director, Project on the Information Revolution

  and Global Governance

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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Tue Feb 17 14:06:21 2004
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] bureau organization
In-Reply-To: <MABBIHAAPBEEGMLBDEGOOEBFCPAA.wdrake@ictsd.ch>
References: <MABBIHAAPBEEGMLBDEGOOEBFCPAA.wdrake@ictsd.ch>
Message-ID: <40321FDD.2070209@bertola.eu.org>

William Drake ha scritto:
> always attract big populations.  So as we look to the next phase of WSIS,
> would it not make more sense for us to think about how we have actually
> self-organized and have a bureau comprising people from the most active,
> member-based groupings, irrespective of whether they're called families,
> working groups, or caucuses?

I must say that, even after some months of participation to this process, 
I still don't see any actual need for this diversification - and I'm sure 
that many of us do not even understand what the exact difference is 
supposed to be among the three types (I remember a discussion on this 
matter a few weeks ago).

Perhaps we should aim for a simpler structure in which you have the 
plenary plus thematic groups created on a voluntary basis (whoever wants 
to discuss a subject that is not already covered by another group may 
create a new one).
-- 
.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo vb.
Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu.org
http://bertola.eu.org/    <-- Vecchio sito, nuovo toblog!


From amalidesilva at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 17 20:02:49 2004
From: amalidesilva at yahoo.com (Amali De Silva)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] bureau organization
In-Reply-To: <MABBIHAAPBEEGMLBDEGOOEBFCPAA.wdrake@ictsd.ch>
Message-ID: <20040217200249.30129.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com>

During the next phase of the summit whichever structure, and whoever as individuals are  chosen, it should be remembered that  it is imperative that those particular individuals adhere to some good principles, otherwise their credibility will be lost:
 
1) TRANSPARENCY ( who ? why ? where ? what ? when ? )
 
2) ACCOUNTABILITY ( information dissemination on a timely basis and complete!)
 
3) FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION ( all are entitiled to their view - keep it civil on the list !)
 
4 ) RECOGNITION ( Important to give a place to significant individuals / regions - not just those who are privy to funding opportunities or those who can attend meetings due to their proximity to Geneva )
 
5) REPRESENTATION ( - Who are the bureau members actually representing ?    Important to have good diversity of representation from a number of diverse organizations from around the world )
 
6) FLEXIBILITY 
 
Thank you !
 
Amali De Silva - Mitchell
President Vancouver Community Network
Co-coordinator North American Caucus WSIS - CS

 

William Drake <wdrake@ictsd.ch> wrote:
Hi Jean-Louis,

Thanks for your note, but just let me clarify my view, which I gather is a
little different from yours. In raising the bureau issue at the CONGO
meeting in Geneva and here on the list, I was in no way criticizing Alain
and Louise, the bureau, or the families, and certainly was not implying that
the latter were created to 'monitor CS' as you suggest. When this was done,
CS's organization was still nascent and fluid, the secretariat needed a
structure akin to the other bureaus that it could interface with, and that
structure needed constituent groupings behind it. While some people have
expressed concerns about the resulting architecture and it's 'top down'
genesis (and I'll never forget attending a surreal meeting at PC 2 where we
sat around trying to figure out if we were a 'social movement' or fit under
another of the labels), in the end everyone worked together and things went
pretty well. So, no criticism implied.

The question is simply this. Since that architecture was created, there has
been a bottom up blossoming of working groups and caucuses, and these groups
have lots of active and dedicated members, have generated texts and other
inputs, etc. And let's be honest, the same can't be said of every one of
the families, which after all were categories offered to us that didn't
always attract big populations. So as we look to the next phase of WSIS,
would it not make more sense for us to think about how we have actually
self-organized and have a bureau comprising people from the most active,
member-based groupings, irrespective of whether they're called families,
working groups, or caucuses? I can't see any reason to continue having only
one type represented just because that's the structure that was established
long ago; path dependency with no feedback loops is not a good model.

To be clear, I recognize that the bureau just does process (although there
will be content covered in Tunis) and has done it well, that its function is
not really constituent 'representation' per se, and that it would take time
to devise a collectively agreed alternative, but I still think a more
diverse representation/involvement/whatever could be useful in terms of
information flow and overall coordination. While I personally have no
interest in being on the bureau, there are others who might bring in new
energy with such a change.

We need to be a learning network, if not organization, and to assess
everything we've done so far---what worked, what sort of worked, what
didn't, and why---with an eye to strengthening the mechanisms for CS
participation. This will be especially important because phase II looks to
be different in focus and dynamics.

Cheers,

Bill Drake

> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> Behalf Of Fullsack Jean-Louis
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 2:17 PM
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Subject: Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
>
>
> En français ci-dessous
> Dear all
>
> I fully support Bill's opinion as far as the CS bureau is concerned. There
> is an original mistake due to members of Fondation du Devenir who created
> these families on a unilateral basis perhaps for a "better" monitoring of
> the CS ...
> Anyway, working groups have significantly contributed to CS's
> documents and
> expression during the WSIS first phase (far more than a number of
> families)
> and therefore deserve to be represented in the Bureau. This isn't only a
> "personal concern" but an issue related matter of fact. And some major
> issues are still outstanding such as Internet gouvernance and what's
> basically specific for Africa : infrastructure, access and financing.
> Another main issue still to be addressed is international cooperation.
> Unfortunately there are no families to deal with the latter two issues.
> This is particularly regretable since the tunisean phase compulsorily
> will/must focus on these as major inputs for any concrete Action
> Plan to be
> issued as THE outcome of the Tunis Summit that all African
> delegations -both
> gouvernmental and civil organisations'- expect from this event on their
> continent.
>
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> CSDPTT
>
> Bonjour à tous
>
> Je soutiens entièrement le point de vue de Bill concernant le Bureau de la
> SC. Il y a une faute originelle commise par les membres de la Fondation du
> devenir qui ont créé ces familles de manière unilatérale
> peut-être en vue de
> "mieux" piloter la SC ...
> Qu'importe, les groupes de travail ont significativement contribué aux
> documents et à l'expression de la SC (bien plus qu'un certain nombre de
> familles) pendant la première phase du SMSI et pour cette raison ils
> méritent d'être représentés au Bureau. Ce n'est pas seulement une question
> de personne mais une matière factuelle lié aux problèmes eux-mêmes. Et
> certains problèmes des plus importants sont toujours en instance, comme la
> gouvernance d'Internet et ce qui est essentiellement spécifique pour
> l'Afrique : l'accès, l'infrastructure et le financement. Un autre problème
> majeur à traîter concerne la coopeération internationale. Malheureusement
> il n'y a pas de familles traîtant de ces deux derniers problèmes. Cela est
> particulièrement regrettable car la phase tunisienne devra obligatoirement
> se concentrer sur eux en tant que contributions majeures pour
> n'importe quel
> Plan d'Action qui sera publié en tant que LE résultat du Sommet
> de Tunis que
> toutes les organisations africaines -gouvernementales comme civiles-
> attendent de cet événement sur leur continent.
>
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> CSDPTT
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Drake" 
> To: 

> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 11:10 AM
> Subject: RE: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
>
>
> > Hi Wolfgang,
> >
> > > Dar all,
> > >
> > > It should be clear (also for the Tunis organizers) that the "main
> > > organ" of CS is the CS Plenary. CS-P has two arms, "C&T" for Content
> > > (based on a broad range of WG and Caucuses) and the "Bureau" for
> > > Procedures. The so-called "C&T Liaison" is a full member of the
> >
> > The Tunisian government is probably not all that aware of or concerned
> about
> > the details of the CS structure; certainly the ambassador gave
> no hint of
> > this at the CONGO meeting. I suspect they think that by inviting the
> bureau
> > to Tunis to plan they've done all they need to do.
> >
> > > Bureau. It is important to explain this "simple structure" to the
> > > newcomers from the very early day to avoid any misunderstanding. CS is
> > > organized bottom up. The Bureau does not take content related
> > > decisions. It facilitates the communications between other bodies and
> > > stakeholders and the different families, caucuses wg etc. of the Civil
> > > Society and deals with formal aspects (which room is needed when,
> > > which speaking slots should be reserved, when we should have a meeting
> > > with the intergovernmental office etc.)
> >
> > Sorry, but I don't think this really responds to what Rikke said. The
> issue
> > here is not whether there are 'newcomers' who don't know the
> structure or
> > understand the process/substance division (which I am sure the Tunis
> meeting
> > will blur). Rather, it's whether the structure is optimally
> configured in
> > terms of democratic representation. This concern has been raised on the
> > list a number of times by by many 'old timers.' Why should the bureau
> > comprise only families rather than also including people from
> the caucuses
> > and working groups, which after all were created bottom up and have
> > contributed heavily? Why wouldn't we want the bureau to
> comprise reps of
> > the most active groupings, irrespective of which of the three forms they
> > take?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > -------------
> >
> > > > -- Original Nachricht--
> > > > Von: Rikke Frank Joergensen 
> > > > An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > > > Senden: 11:12 AM
> > > > Betreff: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
> > > >> >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I am glad to see that C&T is a "born" participant in the
> > > > Tunis meeting, according to the information from Renata.
> > > >
> > > > However, it’s still worrying that the family structure is the point
> > > > of access for CS at a meeting that will undoubtedly deal with both
> > > > process and
> > > > content. And that effective means for participation in this 2. phase
> > > > will be so
> > > > limited due to financial constrains on CS.
> > > >
> > > > Rikke
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Plenary mailing list
> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>
>


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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 17 22:14:38 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Plenary / CS Bureau / CS Families
In-Reply-To: <402C0E51.70007@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <20040217221438.68548.qmail@web60705.mail.yahoo.com>

Please see below in French,
Dear Sasha,
It becomes more and more difficult to read, understand
and react to so many messages in English.
As long as you semm to be a recognized leader of the
Civil Society involved in the Geneva Summit and
probably in the Tunis Summit, can you please please
please find a solution to translate your messages in
French, if you want us to feel concerned by the
preparation... If you don't do it it means that
everything is already closed and that we have nothing
to say but only to follow and to legimate decisions we
have not been concerned about !
All the best
Djilali
Cher Sasha,
Cela devient de plus en plus difficile de suivre et de
comprendre et de réagir a de si nombreux messages en
Anglais.
Des lors que vous semblez avoir jouer un role de
leader de la SC à Geneve et probablement vous aller
continuer à le jouer à Tunis, de grace essayer de
faire traduire vos messages en Français.... Si vous ne
faites pas cela signifierait que vous ne souhaitez pas
que nous soyons impliqués et que tout est does et dejà
verouillé et qu'il ne nous reste qu'à suivre et de
legitimer des decisions pour lesquelles nous n'aurions
pas été associés.
Amicalement
Djilali 
--- Sasha Costanza-Chock <schock@riseup.net> wrote:
> I would like to express complete support for Karen's
> suggestion that a 
> spokesperson from Content and Themes be present at
> the meeting in Tunis.
> 
> We have been through several internal debates and
> clarifications on the 
> structure of the CS Caucuses, Working Groups,
> Plenary, Content and 
> Themes, Families, and Bureau.
> 
> We want to avoid revisiting this. CS Plenary must be
> present from the 
> beginning in the planning of the next phase, and we
> need to ensure 
> formal recognition of the CS structure we have
> created over the past two 
> years by the new organizers of WSIS phase II.
> 
> clarification of that structure is available here:
> http://www.wsis-cs.org/cs-overview.html
> 
> What's more, we should make clear from an early
> stage some of our 
> needs/demands for effective CS participation in the
> next phase of WSIS.
> 
> For example, we need resources for travel to each
> prepcom, a dedicated 
> room with translation for CS Plenary at each
> prepcom, etc etc
> 
> 
> Sasha Costanza-Chock
> 
> Free Press
> mediareform.net
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 17 22:26:09 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] bureau organization
In-Reply-To: <20040217200249.30129.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040217222609.1914.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com>

Please see below in French 
I support this Amali's proposal and hope that we are
capable to adhere as a basic rule with possibly
complemantary proposals.
Choising our representatives and spokepersons We
absolutely must take care of Gender balance, language
balance and geographical balance.
We cannot just trust those who represented us in the
Geneva phase evan if they did well.
We must have the capacity to say no to problematic
proposals event if some of us think that we must jest
be present evrywhere without mandate or orientation.
Let's buid on these relevant proposals made by Amali.
All the best
Djilali
Je supporte les proposition d'Amali et espère que nous
serons capables d'adhérer à ces règles élémentaires et
à les enrichir.
En choisissons nos représentants et porte paroles,
nous devrions veillez à l'équilbre du genre, des
langues et des régions.
Nous ne pouvons nous satisfaire de nos repésentants à
Genève même s'ils ont été parfaits.
Nous devrions avoir la capacité de dire non aux
propositions problèmatique même si certains pensent
qu'il faille être présents partout et toujopurs sans
mandat ni orientation. 
Construisons ensemble sur les propositions d'Amali
Amitiés
Djilali   
--- Amali De Silva <amalidesilva@yahoo.com> wrote:
> During the next phase of the summit whichever
> structure, and whoever as individuals are  chosen,
> it should be remembered that  it is imperative that
> those particular individuals adhere to some good
> principles, otherwise their credibility will be
> lost:
>  
> 1) TRANSPARENCY ( who ? why ? where ? what ? when ?
> )
>  
> 2) ACCOUNTABILITY ( information dissemination on a
> timely basis and complete!)
>  
> 3) FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION ( all are entitiled to
> their view - keep it civil on the list !)
>  
> 4 ) RECOGNITION ( Important to give a place to
> significant individuals / regions - not just those
> who are privy to funding opportunities or those who
> can attend meetings due to their proximity to Geneva
> )
>  
> 5) REPRESENTATION ( - Who are the bureau members
> actually representing ?    Important to have good
> diversity of representation from a number of diverse
> organizations from around the world )
>  
> 6) FLEXIBILITY 
>  
> Thank you !
>  
> Amali De Silva - Mitchell
> President Vancouver Community Network
> Co-coordinator North American Caucus WSIS - CS
> 
>  
> 
> William Drake <wdrake@ictsd.ch> wrote:
> Hi Jean-Louis,
> 
> Thanks for your note, but just let me clarify my
> view, which I gather is a
> little different from yours. In raising the bureau
> issue at the CONGO
> meeting in Geneva and here on the list, I was in no
> way criticizing Alain
> and Louise, the bureau, or the families, and
> certainly was not implying that
> the latter were created to 'monitor CS' as you
> suggest. When this was done,
> CS's organization was still nascent and fluid, the
> secretariat needed a
> structure akin to the other bureaus that it could
> interface with, and that
> structure needed constituent groupings behind it.
> While some people have
> expressed concerns about the resulting architecture
> and it's 'top down'
> genesis (and I'll never forget attending a surreal
> meeting at PC 2 where we
> sat around trying to figure out if we were a 'social
> movement' or fit under
> another of the labels), in the end everyone worked
> together and things went
> pretty well. So, no criticism implied.
> 
> The question is simply this. Since that architecture
> was created, there has
> been a bottom up blossoming of working groups and
> caucuses, and these groups
> have lots of active and dedicated members, have
> generated texts and other
> inputs, etc. And let's be honest, the same can't be
> said of every one of
> the families, which after all were categories
> offered to us that didn't
> always attract big populations. So as we look to the
> next phase of WSIS,
> would it not make more sense for us to think about
> how we have actually
> self-organized and have a bureau comprising people
> from the most active,
> member-based groupings, irrespective of whether
> they're called families,
> working groups, or caucuses? I can't see any reason
> to continue having only
> one type represented just because that's the
> structure that was established
> long ago; path dependency with no feedback loops is
> not a good model.
> 
> To be clear, I recognize that the bureau just does
> process (although there
> will be content covered in Tunis) and has done it
> well, that its function is
> not really constituent 'representation' per se, and
> that it would take time
> to devise a collectively agreed alternative, but I
> still think a more
> diverse representation/involvement/whatever could be
> useful in terms of
> information flow and overall coordination. While I
> personally have no
> interest in being on the bureau, there are others
> who might bring in new
> energy with such a change.
> 
> We need to be a learning network, if not
> organization, and to assess
> everything we've done so far---what worked, what
> sort of worked, what
> didn't, and why---with an eye to strengthening the
> mechanisms for CS
> participation. This will be especially important
> because phase II looks to
> be different in focus and dynamics.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Bill Drake
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org
> [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> > Behalf Of Fullsack Jean-Louis
> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 2:17 PM
> > To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > Subject: Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
> >
> >
> > En français ci-dessous
> > Dear all
> >
> > I fully support Bill's opinion as far as the CS
> bureau is concerned. There
> > is an original mistake due to members of Fondation
> du Devenir who created
> > these families on a unilateral basis perhaps for a
> "better" monitoring of
> > the CS ...
> > Anyway, working groups have significantly
> contributed to CS's
> > documents and
> > expression during the WSIS first phase (far more
> than a number of
> > families)
> > and therefore deserve to be represented in the
> Bureau. This isn't only a
> > "personal concern" but an issue related matter of
> fact. And some major
> > issues are still outstanding such as Internet
> gouvernance and what's
> > basically specific for Africa : infrastructure,
> access and financing.
> > Another main issue still to be addressed is
> international cooperation.
> > Unfortunately there are no families to deal with
> the latter two issues.
> > This is particularly regretable since the tunisean
> phase compulsorily
> > will/must focus on these as major inputs for any
> concrete Action
> > Plan to be
> > issued as THE outcome of the Tunis Summit that all
> African
> > delegations -both
> > gouvernmental and civil organisations'- expect
> from this event on their
> > continent.
> >
> > Jean-Louis Fullsack
> > CSDPTT
> >
> > Bonjour à tous
> >
> > Je soutiens entièrement le point de vue de Bill
> concernant le Bureau de la
> > SC. Il y a une faute originelle commise par les
> membres de la Fondation du
> > devenir qui ont créé ces familles de manière
> unilatérale
> > peut-être en vue de
> > "mieux" piloter la SC ...
> > Qu'importe, les groupes de travail ont
> significativement contribué aux
> > documents et à l'expression de la SC (bien plus
> qu'un certain nombre de
> > familles) pendant la première phase du SMSI et
> pour cette raison ils
> > méritent d'être représentés au Bureau. Ce n'est
> pas seulement une question
> > de personne mais une matière factuelle lié aux
> problèmes eux-mêmes. Et
> > certains problèmes des plus importants sont
> toujours en instance, comme la
> > gouvernance d'Internet et ce qui est
> essentiellement spécifique pour
> > l'Afrique : l'accès, l'infrastructure et le
> financement. Un autre problème
> > majeur à traîter concerne la coopeération
> internationale. Malheureusement
> 
=== message truncated ===


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From ecarll at optonline.net  Wed Feb 18 13:05:26 2004
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] bureau organization
In-Reply-To: <20040217200249.30129.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <JAEAIHOFJNJNGOMHHMDAOEHEGLAA.ecarll@optonline.net>

Amali,

Good points for a foundation of trust, accountability, cooperation, and
organizational effectiveness.

Best regards,

Elizabeth

Dr. Elizabeth Carll
Focal Point
International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
Chair Media/ICT Working Group,
NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York
Tel: 1-631-754-2424
Fax: 1-631-754-5032
ecarll@optonline.net

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On Behalf
Of Amali De Silva
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 3:03 PM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] bureau organization


During the next phase of the summit whichever structure, and whoever as
individuals are  chosen, it should be remembered that  it is imperative that
those particular individuals adhere to some good principles, otherwise their
credibility will be lost:

1) TRANSPARENCY ( who ? why ? where ? what ? when ? )

2) ACCOUNTABILITY ( information dissemination on a timely basis and
complete!)

3) FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION ( all are entitiled to their view - keep it civil
on the list !)

4 ) RECOGNITION ( Important to give a place to significant individuals /
regions - not just those who are privy to funding opportunities or those who
can attend meetings due to their proximity to Geneva )

5) REPRESENTATION ( - Who are the bureau members actually representing ?
Important to have good diversity of representation from a number of diverse
organizations from around the world )

6) FLEXIBILITY

Thank you !

Amali De Silva - Mitchell
President Vancouver Community Network
Co-coordinator North American Caucus WSIS - CS


William Drake <wdrake@ictsd.ch> wrote:
Hi Jean-Louis,

Thanks for your note, but just let me clarify my view, which I gather is a
little different from yours. In raising the bureau issue at the CONGO
meeting in Geneva and here on the list, I was in no way criticizing Alain
and Louise, the bureau, or the families, and certainly was not implying that
the latter were created to 'monitor CS' as you suggest. When this was done,
CS's organization was still nascent and fluid, the secretariat needed a
structure akin to the other bureaus that it could interface with, and that
structure needed constituent groupings behind it. While some people have
expressed concerns about the resulting architecture and it's 'top down'
genesis (and I'll never forget attending a surreal meeting at PC 2 where we
sat around trying to figure out if we were a 'social movement' or fit under
another of the lab els), in the end everyone worked together and things went
pretty well. So, no criticism implied.

The question is simply this. Since that architecture was created, there has
been a bottom up blossoming of working groups and caucuses, and these groups
have lots of active and dedicated members, have generated texts and other
inputs, etc. And let's be honest, the same can't be said of every one of
the families, which after all were categories offered to us that didn't
always attract big populations. So as we look to the next phase of WSIS,
would it not make more sense for us to think about how we have actually
self-organized and have a bureau comprising people from the most active,
member-based groupings, irrespective of whether they're called families,
working groups, or caucuses? I can't see any reason to continue having only
one type represented just because that's the structure that was established
long ago; path dependency with no feedback loops is not a good model.

To be clear, I recognize that the bureau just does process (although there
will be content covered in Tunis) and has done it well, that its function is
not really constituent 'representation' per se, and that it would take time
to devise a collectively agreed alternative, but I still think a more
diverse representation/involvement/whatever could be useful in terms of
information flow and overall coordination. While I personally have no
interest in being on the bureau, there are others who might bring in new
energy with such a change.

We need to be a learning network, if not organization, and to assess
everything we've done so far---what worked, what sort of worked, what
didn't, and why---with an eye to strengthening the mechanisms for CS
participation. This will be especially important because phase II looks to
be different in focus and dynamics.

Cheers,

Bill Drake

> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> Behalf Of Fullsack Jean-Louis
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 2:17 PM
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Subject: Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
>
>
> En frangais ci-dessous
> Dear all
>
> I fully support Bill's opinion as far as the CS bureau is concerned. There
> is an original mistake due to members of Fondation du Devenir who created
> these families on a unilateral basis perhaps for a "better" monitoring of
> the CS ...
> Anyway, working groups have significantly contributed to CS's
> documents and
> expression during the WSIS first phase (far more than a number of
> families)
> and therefore deserve to be represented in the Bureau. This isn't only a
> "personal concern" but an issue related matter of fact. And some major
> issues are still outstanding such as Internet gouvernance and what's
> basically specific for Africa : infrastructure, access and financing.
> Another main issue still to be addressed is international cooperation.
> Unfortunately there are no families to deal with the latter two issues.
> This is particularly regretable since the tunisean phase compulsorily
> will/must focus on these as major inputs for any concrete Action
> Plan to be
> issued as THE outcome of the Tunis Summit that all African
> delegations -both
> gouvernmental and civil organisations'- expect from this event on their
> continent.
>
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> CSDPTT
>
> Bonjour ` tous
>
> Je soutiens entihrement le point de vue de Bill concernant le Bureau de la
> SC. Il y a une faute originelle commise par les membres de la Fondation du
> devenir qui ont crii ces familles de manihre unilatirale
> peut-jtre en vue de
> " mieux" piloter la SC ...
> Qu'importe, les groupes de travail ont significativement contribui aux
> documents et ` l'expression de la SC (bien plus qu'un certain nombre de
> familles) pendant la premihre phase du SMSI et pour cette raison ils
> miritent d'jtre reprisentis au Bureau. Ce n'est pas seulement une question
> de personne mais une matihre factuelle lii aux problhmes eux-mjmes. Et
> certains problhmes des plus importants sont toujours en instance, comme la
> gouvernance d'Internet et ce qui est essentiellement spicifique pour
> l'Afrique : l'acchs, l'infrastructure et le financement. Un autre problhme
> majeur ` tranter concerne la coopeiration internationale. Malheureusement
> il n'y a pas de familles trantant de ces deux derniers problhmes. Cela est
> particulihrement regrettable car la phase tunisienne devra obligatoirement
> se concentrer sur eux en tant que contributions majeures pour
> n'im porte quel
> Plan d'Action qui sera publii en tant que LE risultat du Sommet
> de Tunis que
> toutes les organisations africaines -gouvernementales comme civiles-
> attendent de cet ivinement sur leur continent.
>
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> CSDPTT
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Drake"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 11:10 AM
> Subject: RE: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
>
>
> > Hi Wolfgang,
> >
> > > Dar all,
> > >
> > > It should be clear (also for the Tunis organizers) that the "main
> > > organ" of CS is the CS Plenary. CS-P has two arms, "C&T" for Content
> > > (based on a broad range of WG and Caucuses) and the "Bureau" for
> > > Procedures. The so-called "C&T Liaison" is a full member of the
> >
> > The Tunisian government is probably not all that aware of or concerned
> about
> > the details of the CS structure; certainly the ambassador gave
> no hint of
> > this at the CONGO meeting. I suspect they think that by inviting the
> bureau
> > to Tunis to plan they've done all they need to do.
> >
> > > Bureau. It is important to explain this "simple structure" to the
> > > newcomers from the very early day to avoid any misunderstanding. CS is
> > > organized bottom up. The Bureau does not take content related
> > > decisions. It facilitates the communications between other bodies and
> > > stakeholders and the different families, caucuses wg etc. of the Civil
> > > Society and deals with formal aspects (which room is needed when,
> > > which speaking slots should be reserved, when we should have a meeting
> > > with the intergove rnmental office etc.)
> >
> > Sorry, but I don't think this really responds to what Rikke said. The
> issue
> > here is not whether there are 'newcomers' who don't know the
> structure or
> > understand the process/substance division (which I am sure the Tunis
> meeting
> > will blur). Rather, it's whether the structure is optimally
> configured in
> > terms of democratic representation. This concern has been raised on the
> > list a number of times by by many 'old timers.' Why should the bureau
> > comprise only families rather than also including people from
> the caucuses
> > and working groups, which after all were created bottom up and have
> > contributed heavily? Why wouldn't we want the bureau to
> comprise reps of
> > the most active groupings, irrespective of which of the three forms they
> > take?
> >
> > Cheers,< BR>> >
> > Bill
> >
> > -------------
> >
> > > > -- Original Nachricht--
> > > > Von: Rikke Frank Joergensen
> > > > An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > > > Senden: 11:12 AM
> > > > Betreff: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
> > > >> >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I am glad to see that C&T is a "born" participant in the
> > > > Tunis meeting, according to the information from Renata.
> > > >
> > > > However, its still worrying that the family structure is the point
> > > > of access for CS at a meeting that will undoubtedly deal with both
> > > > process and
> > > > content. And that effective means for participation in this 2. phase
> > > > will be so
> > > > limited d ue to financial constrains on CS.
> > > >
> > > > Rikke
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Plenary mailing list
> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>
>


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From ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es  Wed Feb 18 19:01:41 2004
From: ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?L.Murrugarra?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] FYI: Young and ICTs
In-Reply-To: <20040217222609.1914.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040218190141.22036.qmail@web11802.mail.yahoo.com>


Dear all:
I inform to you the First Event "Young and ICTs"  with the colaboration the Municipality.
All our efforts in youngs /gender ICTs.
All the best,
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From cnicol at pangea.org  Wed Feb 18 19:55:17 2004
From: cnicol at pangea.org (Chris Nicol)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <E1ArahE-0004bK-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
References: <E1ArahE-0004bK-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
Message-ID: <1077134117.26354.248.camel@chrisnicol>

On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 11:37, wolfgang@imv.au.dk wrote:
> Dar all,
> 
> It should be clear (also for the Tunis organizers) that the "main organ" of CS is the CS Plenary. CS-P has two arms, "C&T" for Content (based on a broad range of WG and Caucuses) and the "Bureau" for Procedures. The so-called "C&T Liaison" is a full member of the Bureau. It is important to explain this "simple structure" to the newcomers from the very early day to avoid any misunderstanding. CS is organized bottom up. The Bureau does not take content related decisions. It facilitates the communications between other bodies and stakeholders and the different families, caucuses wg etc. of the Civil Society and deals with formal aspects (which room is needed when, which speaking slots should be reserved, when we should have a meeting with the intergovernmental office etc.)

Yes. I think it's also useful to see how the two kinds of groups,
families (Bureau) and Caucuses (Content and Themes) differ. The families
are organised more according to the origin of their members: trade
unions; regions; NGOs; women; youth; cities and local authorities; think
tanks, etc. ie constituencies, similar to the governments, who
supposedly represent their own national constituencies. The caucuses are
organised around areas of interest: human rights; gender; internet
governance; patents, copyright and trademarks; regions, indigenous
peoples, etc. People from many different areas/constituencies of CS can
be members of the same working group.

The constituencies could be fine as a basis for organising CS if there
were some mechanism for formalising this representation. But we don't go
to Prepcomms with a mandate from our constituencies. We try to represent
them as best we can, but there are no elected representatives from the
broader trade union movement, nor representatives of all women, nor all
youths, nor have think tanks had a congress and sent delegates, etc.
This would be impossible. CS representivity in WSIS has relied more on
good will and motivation than on formal structures.

But the problem is more than this. When we were working at the
Prepcomms, we worked on issues, with other people who shared our
interest, in structures that didn't correspond to our "constituencies",
with the exceptions of gender, youth, regions, etc. So the "families"
were sometimes (often?) more of a burden than a help in getting the work
done. Some hardly ever met, just placing their faith in their elected
reps. The family structure, which on paper looks democratic, was often
less so in practice. It was more often the caucuses and working groups
where we got to know each other, shared ideas and meals, created trust
and confidence, etc, and thrashed out the issues and wrote critiques
together.

I doubt that the families were set up as a counterweight to the
caucuses, but in my opinion the latter were often more important. But
the Bureau is the "official"  structure, modeled on the governments' own
structure, so it's the one the UN and the Tunisians can (relatively)
easily recognise. But only recognising the families clearly leads to
problems when in practice a lot of CS identifies more with their
caucuses. Maybe just an explanation would help the Tunisian government.

> It would be helpful to write a self-explaining one-pager (with an Organizational Chart) for distribution in Tunis. 

Attached is a first draft of an organisational chart I began a while
ago. It's in Open Office drawing format. If anyone can convince me that
they can't download Open Office (or get a CD) and install it to read the
file (in Windows or in Linux), (and in the process start using free
software), I'll see what I can do about making an image file of it or
sending them a CD with the Open Office installation on it. 
http://www.openoffice.org

Regards,

Chris





> Best
> 
> wolfgang
> 
> 
> -- Original Nachricht--
> Von: Rikke Frank Joergensen <rfj@humanrights.dk>
> An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Senden: 11:12 AM
> Betreff: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Hi, 
> 
>  
> 
> I am glad to see that C&T is a "born" participant in the
> Tunis meeting, according to the information from Renata. 
> 
>  
> 
> However, its still worrying that the family structure is the point
> of access for CS at a meeting that will undoubtedly deal with both process and
> content. And that effective means for participation in this 2. phase will be so
> limited due to financial constrains on CS. 
> 
>  
> 
> Rikke
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
-- 


From cnicol at pangea.org  Wed Feb 18 20:11:08 2004
From: cnicol at pangea.org (Chris Nicol)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <1077134117.26354.248.camel@chrisnicol>
References: <E1ArahE-0004bK-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
	 <1077134117.26354.248.camel@chrisnicol>
Message-ID: <1077135067.26344.261.camel@chrisnicol>

This time with the attachment.  8-)


On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 20:55, Chris Nicol wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 11:37, wolfgang@imv.au.dk wrote:
> > Dar all,
> > 
> > It should be clear (also for the Tunis organizers) that the "main organ" of CS is the CS Plenary. CS-P has two arms, "C&T" for Content (based on a broad range of WG and Caucuses) and the "Bureau" for Procedures. The so-called "C&T Liaison" is a full member of the Bureau. It is important to explain this "simple structure" to the newcomers from the very early day to avoid any misunderstanding. CS is organized bottom up. The Bureau does not take content related decisions. It facilitates the communications between other bodies and stakeholders and the different families, caucuses wg etc. of the Civil Society and deals with formal aspects (which room is needed when, which speaking slots should be reserved, when we should have a meeting with the intergovernmental office etc.)
> 
> Yes. I think it's also useful to see how the two kinds of groups,
> families (Bureau) and Caucuses (Content and Themes) differ. The families
> are organised more according to the origin of their members: trade
> unions; regions; NGOs; women; youth; cities and local authorities; think
> tanks, etc. ie constituencies, similar to the governments, who
> supposedly represent their own national constituencies. The caucuses are
> organised around areas of interest: human rights; gender; internet
> governance; patents, copyright and trademarks; regions, indigenous
> peoples, etc. People from many different areas/constituencies of CS can
> be members of the same working group.
> 
> The constituencies could be fine as a basis for organising CS if there
> were some mechanism for formalising this representation. But we don't go
> to Prepcomms with a mandate from our constituencies. We try to represent
> them as best we can, but there are no elected representatives from the
> broader trade union movement, nor representatives of all women, nor all
> youths, nor have think tanks had a congress and sent delegates, etc.
> This would be impossible. CS representivity in WSIS has relied more on
> good will and motivation than on formal structures.
> 
> But the problem is more than this. When we were working at the
> Prepcomms, we worked on issues, with other people who shared our
> interest, in structures that didn't correspond to our "constituencies",
> with the exceptions of gender, youth, regions, etc. So the "families"
> were sometimes (often?) more of a burden than a help in getting the work
> done. Some hardly ever met, just placing their faith in their elected
> reps. The family structure, which on paper looks democratic, was often
> less so in practice. It was more often the caucuses and working groups
> where we got to know each other, shared ideas and meals, created trust
> and confidence, etc, and thrashed out the issues and wrote critiques
> together.
> 
> I doubt that the families were set up as a counterweight to the
> caucuses, but in my opinion the latter were often more important. But
> the Bureau is the "official"  structure, modeled on the governments' own
> structure, so it's the one the UN and the Tunisians can (relatively)
> easily recognise. But only recognising the families clearly leads to
> problems when in practice a lot of CS identifies more with their
> caucuses. Maybe just an explanation would help the Tunisian government.
> 
> > It would be helpful to write a self-explaining one-pager (with an Organizational Chart) for distribution in Tunis. 
> 
> Attached is a first draft of an organisational chart I began a while
> ago. It's in Open Office drawing format. If anyone can convince me that
> they can't download Open Office (or get a CD) and install it to read the
> file (in Windows or in Linux), (and in the process start using free
> software), I'll see what I can do about making an image file of it or
> sending them a CD with the Open Office installation on it. 
> http://www.openoffice.org
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Best
> > 
> > wolfgang
> > 
> > 
> > -- Original Nachricht--
> > Von: Rikke Frank Joergensen <rfj@humanrights.dk>
> > An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > Senden: 11:12 AM
> > Betreff: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Hi, 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I am glad to see that C&T is a "born" participant in the
> > Tunis meeting, according to the information from Renata. 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > However, its still worrying that the family structure is the point
> > of access for CS at a meeting that will undoubtedly deal with both process and
> > content. And that effective means for participation in this 2. phase will be so
> > limited due to financial constrains on CS. 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Rikke
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Plenary mailing list
> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
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From cnicol at pangea.org  Wed Feb 18 23:44:34 2004
From: cnicol at pangea.org (Chris Nicol)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <1077135067.26344.261.camel@chrisnicol>
References: <E1ArahE-0004bK-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
	 <1077134117.26354.248.camel@chrisnicol>
	 <1077135067.26344.261.camel@chrisnicol>
Message-ID: <1077147873.1825.3.camel@chrisnicol>

On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 21:11, Chris Nicol wrote:
... 
> > Attached is a first draft of an organisational chart I began a while

BTW: "attendees" doesn't exist in English, though perhaps it should. That should read "participants".

Regards,

Chris




From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Thu Feb 19 10:10:54 2004
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Fullsack Jean-Louis)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
References: <E1ArahE-0004bK-00@smtp.imv.au.dk> <1077134117.26354.248.camel@chrisnicol> <1077135067.26344.261.camel@chrisnicol> <1077147873.1825.3.camel@chrisnicol>
Message-ID: <000f01c3f6d0$a998cde0$0a00000a@default>

Exact Chris
However, this word is used in a lot of exhibition, congress and other
gatherings flyers (even in ITU Telecoms) to designate visitors and/or
participants.
Friendly
Jean-Louis Fullsack

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Nicol" <cnicol@pangea.org>
To: "WSIS CS Plenary list" <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting


> On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 21:11, Chris Nicol wrote:
> ...
> > > Attached is a first draft of an organisational chart I began a while
>
> BTW: "attendees" doesn't exist in English, though perhaps it should. That
should read "participants".
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


From cnicol at pangea.org  Thu Feb 19 12:23:35 2004
From: cnicol at pangea.org (Chris Nicol)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <000f01c3f6d0$a998cde0$0a00000a@default>
References: <E1ArahE-0004bK-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
	 <1077134117.26354.248.camel@chrisnicol>
	 <1077135067.26344.261.camel@chrisnicol>
	 <1077147873.1825.3.camel@chrisnicol>
	 <000f01c3f6d0$a998cde0$0a00000a@default>
Message-ID: <1077193415.4333.15.camel@chrisnicol>

On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 11:10, Fullsack Jean-Louis wrote:
> Exact Chris
> However, this word is used in a lot of exhibition, congress and other
> gatherings flyers (even in ITU Telecoms) to designate visitors and/or
> participants.

Quite right. The fact that it's not in my Portland House version of the
Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary (huge, 2078 pages) nor in
the Collins Cobuild Dictionary confused me. Of course it exists. I'm
going to buy a new dictionary. 8-)

Chris

> Friendly
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Nicol" <cnicol@pangea.org>
> To: "WSIS CS Plenary list" <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 12:44 AM
> Subject: Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
> 
> 
> > On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 21:11, Chris Nicol wrote:
> > ...
> > > > Attached is a first draft of an organisational chart I began a while
> >
> > BTW: "attendees" doesn't exist in English, though perhaps it should. That
> should read "participants".
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Plenary mailing list
> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
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From ralf.bendrath at sfb597.uni-bremen.de  Thu Feb 19 22:49:07 2004
From: ralf.bendrath at sfb597.uni-bremen.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PrepCom 1 in April?
Message-ID: <40353D63.70D694CC@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>

Hi all,

the EU has just released a communication (COM(2004) 111 final, 17 Feb)
on the WSIS outcomes (more or less boring stuff we all know better). 

But they mention a first PrepCom in _April_. This is new to me, and
neither the ITU website nor the Tunisia WSIS website say anything about
it.

Does anyone have more information on this? Or are they just mistaken?

I would of course also like to add this to our WSIS global events
calendar.

Best, Ralf

http://www.worldsummit2005.org

From rguerra at cpsr.org  Fri Feb 20 00:31:37 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PrepCom 1 in April?
In-Reply-To: <40353D63.70D694CC@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
References: <40353D63.70D694CC@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
Message-ID: <2147483647.1077219097@[192.168.0.55]>

April (tunisia) and june (itu) were the month's i've heard when a 
prepcom may be taking place.

however there's a great deal of disagreement - we won't get a definite 
date until the intergovernmental bureau is recomposed and a perhaps a 
new prepcom president is elected.

regards

Robert


--On Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:49 PM +0100 Ralf Bendrath 
<ralf.bendrath@sfb597.uni-bremen.de> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> the EU has just released a communication (COM(2004) 111 final, 17 Feb)
> on the WSIS outcomes (more or less boring stuff we all know better).
>
> But they mention a first PrepCom in _April_. This is new to me, and
> neither the ITU website nor the Tunisia WSIS website say anything about
> it.
>
> Does anyone have more information on this? Or are they just mistaken?
>
> I would of course also like to add this to our WSIS global events
> calendar.
>
> Best, Ralf
>
> http://www.worldsummit2005.org
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary



From wolfgang at imv.au.dk  Fri Feb 20 07:50:34 2004
From: wolfgang at imv.au.dk (wolfgang@imv.au.dk)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PrepCom 1 in April?
Message-ID: <E1Au5Qg-00045K-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>

As far as I know there are three dates under discussion:

a. middle of April
b. end of June
c. early July

It is also open where it should take place, Geneva or Tunis. 

wolfgang




-- Original Nachricht--
Von: Robert Guerra <rguerra@cpsr.org>
An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Senden: 01:34 AM
Betreff: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PrepCom 1 in April?

April (tunisia) and june (itu) were the month's i've heard when a 
prepcom may be taking place.

however there's a great deal of disagreement - we won't get a definite 
date until the intergovernmental bureau is recomposed and a perhaps a 
new prepcom president is elected.

regards

Robert


--On Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:49 PM +0100 Ralf Bendrath 
<ralf.bendrath@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> the EU has just released a communication (COM(2004) 111 final, 17 Feb)
> on the WSIS outcomes (more or less boring stuff we all know better).
>
> But they mention a first PrepCom in _April_. This is new to me, and
> neither the ITU website nor the Tunisia WSIS website say anything about
> it.
>
> Does anyone have more information on this? Or are they just mistaken?
>
> I would of course also like to add this to our WSIS global events
> calendar.
>
> Best, Ralf
>
> http://www.worldsummit2005.org
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


_______________________________________________
Plenary mailing list
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From rfj at humanrights.dk  Fri Feb 20 10:53:37 2004
From: rfj at humanrights.dk (Rikke Frank Joergensen)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PrepCom 1 in April?
Message-ID: <FB9BC442727367458C7B9274274B5CAC016D577C@srvexc01.dupa.dk>

Hi,

I asked my govn. people about this mentioning of April in the EU Com,
and they confim that there is no decisions regarding dates yet. However,
it sounded like the meetings would most likely be held in Geneva. 

Best, Rikke

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On
Behalf Of Ralf Bendrath
Sent: 19. februar 2004 23:49
To: wsis-cs-plenary
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PrepCom 1 in April?

Hi all,

the EU has just released a communication (COM(2004) 111 final, 17 Feb)
on the WSIS outcomes (more or less boring stuff we all know better). 

But they mention a first PrepCom in _April_. This is new to me, and
neither the ITU website nor the Tunisia WSIS website say anything about
it.

Does anyone have more information on this? Or are they just mistaken?

I would of course also like to add this to our WSIS global events
calendar.

Best, Ralf

http://www.worldsummit2005.org
_______________________________________________
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From rguerra at cpsr.org  Fri Feb 20 14:31:42 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PrepCom 1 in April?
In-Reply-To: <FB9BC442727367458C7B9274274B5CAC016D577C@srvexc01.dupa.dk>
References: <FB9BC442727367458C7B9274274B5CAC016D577C@srvexc01.dupa.dk>
Message-ID: <2147483647.1077269502@[192.168.0.55]>

An earlier note from Charles Geiger mentioned Tunisia as the place where 
the prepcom would be taking place....however, i'm not sure that decision 
has been finalized.


Another place not mentioned where meeting might be possible - New York, 
as countries have their missions there as well, and of course - the UN 
has it's HQ there.

If the UN secretary general's office wants to assert political control 
over the meeting, then it could happen. It's something we need to watch 
out for as, was mentioned months ago, access and interaction in NY is 
quite difficult and much more challenging.

Will be interesting to see how the UN ICT Task force meeting goes in 
March - will be the start of moving the process to NY, or not...?


regards

Robert

--On Friday, February 20, 2004 11:53 AM +0100 Rikke Frank Joergensen 
<rfj@humanrights.dk> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I asked my govn. people about this mentioning of April in the EU Com,
> and they confim that there is no decisions regarding dates yet.
> However, it sounded like the meetings would most likely be held in
> Geneva.
>
> Best, Rikke
>
> -----Original Message-----



From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Fri Feb 20 15:23:29 2004
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata BLOEM)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: FW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PrepCom 1 in April?
Message-ID: <IBEGJNBEEELEANPJGINMAEAFDGAA.rbloem@ngocongo.org>


-----Original Message-----
From: Renata BLOEM [mailto:rbloem@ngocongo.org]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 9:47 AM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org; Robert Guerra
Subject: RE: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PrepCom 1 in April?


What I heard was that below dates:
end of April,
end of May
or beginning of July
were meant for a pre-preparatory meeting in order to prepare for the First
PrepCom to be held later in September/October.

This conforms with the December WSIS outcome documents that state somewhere
that  such a Pre-Prep meeting should be held in the first 6 months of 2004.

Renata


-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of wolfgang@imv.au.dk
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 8:51 AM
To: Robert Guerra; plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PrepCom 1 in April?


As far as I know there are three dates under discussion:

a. middle of April
b. end of June
c. early July

It is also open where it should take place, Geneva or Tunis.

wolfgang




-- Original Nachricht--
Von: Robert Guerra <rguerra@cpsr.org>
An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Senden: 01:34 AM
Betreff: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PrepCom 1 in April?

April (tunisia) and june (itu) were the month's i've heard when a
prepcom may be taking place.

however there's a great deal of disagreement - we won't get a definite
date until the intergovernmental bureau is recomposed and a perhaps a
new prepcom president is elected.

regards

Robert


--On Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:49 PM +0100 Ralf Bendrath
<ralf.bendrath@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> the EU has just released a communication (COM(2004) 111 final, 17 Feb)
> on the WSIS outcomes (more or less boring stuff we all know better).
>
> But they mention a first PrepCom in _April_. This is new to me, and
> neither the ITU website nor the Tunisia WSIS website say anything about
> it.
>
> Does anyone have more information on this? Or are they just mistaken?
>
> I would of course also like to add this to our WSIS global events
> calendar.
>
> Best, Ralf
>
> http://www.worldsummit2005.org
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


_______________________________________________
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http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary





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From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Fri Feb 20 08:47:26 2004
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata BLOEM)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PrepCom 1 in April?
In-Reply-To: <E1Au5Qg-00045K-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
Message-ID: <IBEGJNBEEELEANPJGINMAEPPDFAA.rbloem@ngocongo.org>

What I heard was that below dates:
end of April,
end of May
or beginning of July
were meant for a pre-preparatory meeting in order to prepare for the First
PrepCom to be held later in September/October.

This conforms with the December WSIS outcome documents that state somewhere
that  such a Pre-Prep meeting should be held in the first 6 months of 2004.

Renata


-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of wolfgang@imv.au.dk
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 8:51 AM
To: Robert Guerra; plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PrepCom 1 in April?


As far as I know there are three dates under discussion:

a. middle of April
b. end of June
c. early July

It is also open where it should take place, Geneva or Tunis.

wolfgang




-- Original Nachricht--
Von: Robert Guerra <rguerra@cpsr.org>
An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Senden: 01:34 AM
Betreff: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PrepCom 1 in April?

April (tunisia) and june (itu) were the month's i've heard when a
prepcom may be taking place.

however there's a great deal of disagreement - we won't get a definite
date until the intergovernmental bureau is recomposed and a perhaps a
new prepcom president is elected.

regards

Robert


--On Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:49 PM +0100 Ralf Bendrath
<ralf.bendrath@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> the EU has just released a communication (COM(2004) 111 final, 17 Feb)
> on the WSIS outcomes (more or less boring stuff we all know better).
>
> But they mention a first PrepCom in _April_. This is new to me, and
> neither the ITU website nor the Tunisia WSIS website say anything about
> it.
>
> Does anyone have more information on this? Or are they just mistaken?
>
> I would of course also like to add this to our WSIS global events
> calendar.
>
> Best, Ralf
>
> http://www.worldsummit2005.org
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


_______________________________________________
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From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Fri Feb 20 17:40:33 2004
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <1077135067.26344.261.camel@chrisnicol>
References: <E1ArahE-0004bK-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>	
 <1077134117.26354.248.camel@chrisnicol>
 <1077135067.26344.261.camel@chrisnicol>
Message-ID: <p0510030abc5bf658e698@[192.168.0.3]>

>
>  >
>>  > It would be helpful to write a self-explaining one-pager (with 
>>an Organizational Chart) for distribution in Tunis.
>>
>>  Attached is a first draft of an organisational chart I began a while
>>  ago. It's in Open Office drawing format. If anyone can convince me that
>>  they can't download Open Office (or get a CD) and install it to read the
>>  file (in Windows or in Linux), (and in the process start using free
>>  software), I'll see what I can do about making an image file of it or
>>  sending them a CD with the Open Office installation on it.
>>  http://www.openoffice.org
>  >



Fun downloading a 170Mb file (open office.) I should have done it 
long ago. All the same, a bit of  hassle for one diagram. Could you 
put it on the web?

Only comment I can think to add is that civil society organizations 
participating in prepcoms and summit(s) need to be accredited, so 
that's another filter (and indicates a path for how individuals 
can/cannot contribute.)  It is a helpful and good diagram.

Been suggested that we conduct an evaluation.  Before getting too far 
down the path of deciding new ways of working, perhaps some review of 
what worked/did not work for the first phase should be done?   Nick 
has done work preparing for this.

Thanks,

Adam




>  > Regards,
>>
>>  Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  > Best
>>  >
>>  > wolfgang
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > -- Original Nachricht--
>>  > Von: Rikke Frank Joergensen <rfj@humanrights.dk>
>>  > An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>  > Senden: 11:12 AM
>>  > Betreff: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >?
>>  >
>>  > Hi,
>>  >
>>  >?
>>  >
>>  > I am glad to see that C&T is a "born" participant in the
>>  > Tunis meeting, according to the information from Renata.
>>  >
>>  >?
>>  >
>>  > However, its still worrying that the family structure is the point
>>  > of access for CS at a meeting that will undoubtedly deal with 
>>both process and
>>  > content. And that effective means for participation in this 2. 
>>phase will be so
>>  > limited due to financial constrains on CS.
>>  >
>>  >?
>>  >
>>  > Rikke
>>  >
>>  >?
>>  >
>>  >?
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > _______________________________________________
>>  > Plenary mailing list
>>  > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>  > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>--
>
>
>Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=WSIS_CS_structure.sxd
>Content-Type: application/vnd.sun.xml.draw; name=WSIS_CS_structure.sxd
>
>Attachment converted: Macintosh:WSIS_CS_structure.sxd (????/----) (00176A19)


-- 

From rguerra at cpsr.org  Fri Feb 20 20:46:07 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Computers, Freedom and Privacy 2004
Message-ID: <2147483647.1077291967@[192.168.0.55]>

I'm forwarding this message as it might be of interest to those on the 
Plenary list...

and yes, there will be WSIS related sessions at the event. Details to 
come...

regards

Robert

----- Start forwarded message ---


Computers, Freedom and Privacy 2004
April 20-23, 2004
Berkeley, California (Claremont Hotel)

The Fourteenth Conference on Computers, Freedom, and Privacy (CFP2004)
is open for registration.

Computers, Freedom & Privacy brings together key representatives from
government, business, education, and nonprofits to discuss and debate
the technology trends and public policy issues affecting privacy and
freedom today.

CFP explores what is and considers what can be.  This year's program
reflects the security focus of our post-9-11 environment, the ongoing
battles between copyright and technology, and the growing use of the
Internet and computing technology in campaigns and elections.  It
examines where technology is currently headed, and asks where our values
should lead it.

Panelists will consider whether profiling and data mining can assist in
identifying terrorists, and if so, whether it can be accomplished in a
manner that protects privacy.

Speakers will debate the privacy and liberty implications of suing
individual consumers for distributing music and movies online, and
explore alternative methods for compensating artists and distributors of
copyrighted works.

Technologists will discuss the risks posed by current electronic voting
systems, and political organizers will discuss the way in which the
Internet is shaping political campaigns and issue advocacy.

The three day conference is certain to challenge assumptions, raise new
questions, and foster continued debate about the role of technology in
society and its relation to freedom and privacy.

Keynote speakers include David Dill and Brewster Kahle.

Seven preconference half-day tutuorials are offered covering topics such
as authentication, network surveillance, radio frequency identification
tags (RFID), telecommunications policy and consumer privacy notices.

Additionally, one preconference full-day Workshop, "Privacy and Civil
Liberties Issues in Computing Applications Research and Development"
rounds out the offerings.

A limited number of need-based scholarships for participation and travel
are available to participants from Africa, SE Europe, former Soviet
Union states, and SE Asia.

http://www.cfp2004.org/

        Registration -  http://www.regmaster.com/cfp2004.html
        Program -  http://www.cfp2004.org/program/
        Tutorials - http://www.cfp2004.org/program/
        Workshop - http://www.cfp2004.org/program/
        Scholarships - http://www.cfp2004.org/scholarships.html

We hope to see you at CFP2004!

Deirdre K. Mulligan
Chair, CFP2004



Please address all other queries to:  feedback@cfp2004.org. Please do
not respond to the address on this announcement; mail to this address
is discarded without being read.)




From amalidesilva at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 20 21:09:42 2004
From: amalidesilva at yahoo.com (Amali De Silva)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <p0510030abc5bf658e698@[192.168.0.3]>
Message-ID: <20040220210942.61786.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>

Can you please re-send this chart as a word document ( attachment ) so that all of us can have the opportunity to view it ?
 
Thanks, Amali


Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
>
> >
>> > It would be helpful to write a self-explaining one-pager (with
>>an Organizational Chart) for distribution in Tunis.
>>
>> Attached is a first draft of an organisational chart I began a while
>> ago. It's in Open Office drawing format. If anyone can convince me that
>> they can't download Open Office (or get a CD) and install it to read the
>> file (in Windows or in Linux), (and in the process start using free
>> software), I'll see what I can do about making an image file of it or
>> sending them a CD with the Open Office installation on it.
>> http://www.openoffice.org
> >



Fun downloading a 170Mb file (open office.) I should have done it
long ago. All the same, a bit of hassle for one diagram. Could you
put it on the web?

Only comment I can think to add is that civil society organizations
participating in prepcoms and summit(s) need to be accredited, so
that's another filter (and indicates a path for how individuals
can/cannot contribute.) It is a helpful and good diagram.

Been suggested that we conduct an evaluation. Before getting too far
down the path of deciding new ways of working, perhaps some review of
what worked/did not work for the first phase should be done? Nick
has done work preparing for this.

Thanks,

Adam




> > Regards,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Best
>> >
>> > wolfgang
>> >
>> >
>> > -- Original Nachricht--
>> > Von: Rikke Frank Joergensen 
>> > An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>> > Senden: 11:12 AM
>> > Betreff: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > I am glad to see that C&T is a "born" participant in the
>> > Tunis meeting, according to the information from Renata.
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > However, its still worrying that the family structure is the point
>> > of access for CS at a meeting that will undoubtedly deal with
>>both process and
>> > content. And that effective means for participation in this 2.
>>phase will be so
>> > limited due to financial constrains on CS.
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > Rikke
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Plenary mailing list
>> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>> > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>--
>
>
>Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=WSIS_CS_structure.sxd
>Content-Type: application/vnd.sun.xml.draw; name=WSIS_CS_structure.sxd
>
>Attachment converted: Macintosh:WSIS_CS_structure.sxd (????/----) (00176A19)


--
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From mciver at albany.edu  Fri Feb 20 21:38:27 2004
From: mciver at albany.edu (Bill McIver)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: OpenOffice -- Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <20040220210942.61786.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040220210942.61786.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <40367E53.1080702@albany.edu>


It *is* viewable by all -- for free.

It is your opportunity to begin using free software.

Just download the software from OpenOffice.org . 

It's easy and free.


WJM

Amali De Silva wrote:

> Can you please re-send this chart as a *_word document_* ( attachment 
> ) so that all of us can have the opportunity to view it ?
>  
> Thanks, Amali
>
> */Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp>/* wrote:
>
>     >
>     > >
>     >> > It would be helpful to write a self-explaining one-pager (with
>     >>an Organizational Chart) for distribution in Tunis.
>     >>
>     >> Attached is a first draft of an organisational chart I began a
>     while
>     >> ago. It's in Open Office drawing format. If anyone can convince
>     me that
>     >> they can't download Open Office (or get a CD) and install it to
>     read the
>     >> file (in Windows or in Linux), (and in the process start using free
>     >> software), I'll see what I can do about making an image file of
>     it or
>     >> sending them a CD with the Open Office installation on it.
>     >> http://www.openoffice.org
>     > >
>
>
>
>     Fun downloading a 170Mb file (open office.) I should have done it
>     long ago. All the same, a bit of hassle for one diagram. Could you
>     put it on the web?
>
>     On ly comment I can think to add is that civil society organizations
>     participating in prepcoms and summit(s) need to be accredited, so
>     that's another filter (and indicates a path for how individuals
>     can/cannot contribute.) It is a helpful and good diagram.
>
>     Been suggested that we conduct an evaluation. Before getting too far
>     down the path of deciding new ways of working, perhaps some review of
>     what worked/did not work for the first phase should be done? Nick
>     has done work preparing for this.
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Adam
>
>
>
>
>     > > Regards,
>     >>
>     >> Chris
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> > Best
>     >> >
>     >> > wolfgang
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> > -- Original Nachricht--
>     >> > Von: Rikke Frank Joergensen
>     >> > An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>     >> > Senden: 11:12 AM
>     >> > Betreff: [WSIS CS-Ple nary] tunis meeting
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> > 
>     >> >
>     >> > Hi,
>     >> >
>     >> > 
>     >> >
>     >> > I am glad to see that C&T is a "born" participant in the
>     >> > Tunis meeting, according to the information from Renata.
>     >> >
>     >> > 
>     >> >
>     >> > However, its still worrying that the family structure is the
>     point
>     >> > of access for CS at a meeting that will undoubtedly deal with
>     >>both process and
>     >> > content. And that effective means for participation in this 2.
>     >>phase will be so
>     >> > limited due to financial constrains on CS.
>     >> >
>     >> > 
>     >> >
>     >> > Rikke
>     >> >
>     >> > 
>     >> >
>     >> > 
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> > _______________________________________________
>     >> > Plenary mailing list
>     >> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>     >> > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>     >--
>     >
>     >
>     >Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=WSIS_CS_structure.sxd
>     >Content-Type: application/vnd.sun.xml.draw;
>     name=WSIS_CS_structure.sxd
>     >
>     >Attachment converted: Macintosh:WSIS_CS_structure.sxd (????/----)
>     (00176A19)
>
>
>     --
>     _______________________________________________
>     Plenary mailing list
>     Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>     http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>
>
>
> *Amali De Silva-Mitchell MSc.*
>
> Tel: 1-604-736-9012 & Email: amalidesilva@yahoo.com 
> <mailto:amalidesilva@yahoo.com>
>
>  
>
> // 
>
>  
>


-- 

Bill McIver
Assistant Professor
School of Information Science and Policy
University at Albany, State University of New York
Albany, New York 12222
USA

e-mail: mciver@albany.edu
URL: http://www.albany.edu/~mciver


From muguet at mdpi.org  Sat Feb 21 04:14:38 2004
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: OpenOffice -- Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <40367E53.1080702@albany.edu>
References: <20040220210942.61786.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>
	 <40367E53.1080702@albany.edu>
Message-ID: <1077336877.3619.121.camel@localhost>

> It *is* viewable by all -- for free.
> 
> It is your opportunity to begin using free software.
> 
> Just download the software from OpenOffice.org . 
> 
> It's easy and free.
Thanks Bill for this reminder and support of Free Software !
This has been the fight of the PCT group at the WSIS !

Cheers !

Francis

> WJM
> 
> Amali De Silva wrote:
> 
> > Can you please re-send this chart as a *_word document_* ( attachment 
> > ) so that all of us can have the opportunity to view it ?
> >  
> > Thanks, Amali
> >
> > */Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp>/* wrote:
> >
> >     >
> >     > >
> >     >> > It would be helpful to write a self-explaining one-pager (with
> >     >>an Organizational Chart) for distribution in Tunis.
> >     >>
> >     >> Attached is a first draft of an organisational chart I began a
> >     while
> >     >> ago. It's in Open Office drawing format. If anyone can convince
> >     me that
> >     >> they can't download Open Office (or get a CD) and install it to
> >     read the
> >     >> file (in Windows or in Linux), (and in the process start using free
> >     >> software), I'll see what I can do about making an image file of
> >     it or
> >     >> sending them a CD with the Open Office installation on it.
> >     >> http://www.openoffice.org
> >     > >
> >
> >
> >
> >     Fun downloading a 170Mb file (open office.) I should have done it
> >     long ago. All the same, a bit of hassle for one diagram. Could you
> >     put it on the web?
> >
> >     On ly comment I can think to add is that civil society organizations
> >     participating in prepcoms and summit(s) need to be accredited, so
> >     that's another filter (and indicates a path for how individuals
> >     can/cannot contribute.) It is a helpful and good diagram.
> >
> >     Been suggested that we conduct an evaluation. Before getting too far
> >     down the path of deciding new ways of working, perhaps some review of
> >     what worked/did not work for the first phase should be done? Nick
> >     has done work preparing for this.
> >
> >     Thanks,
> >
> >     Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     > > Regards,
> >     >>
> >     >> Chris
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >> > Best
> >     >> >
> >     >> > wolfgang
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> > -- Original Nachricht--
> >     >> > Von: Rikke Frank Joergensen
> >     >> > An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >     >> > Senden: 11:12 AM
> >     >> > Betreff: [WSIS CS-Ple nary] tunis meeting
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> > 
> >     >> >
> >     >> > Hi,
> >     >> >
> >     >> > 
> >     >> >
> >     >> > I am glad to see that C&T is a "born" participant in the
> >     >> > Tunis meeting, according to the information from Renata.
> >     >> >
> >     >> > 
> >     >> >
> >     >> > However, its still worrying that the family structure is the
> >     point
> >     >> > of access for CS at a meeting that will undoubtedly deal with
> >     >>both process and
> >     >> > content. And that effective means for participation in this 2.
> >     >>phase will be so
> >     >> > limited due to financial constrains on CS.
> >     >> >
> >     >> > 
> >     >> >
> >     >> > Rikke
> >     >> >
> >     >> > 
> >     >> >
> >     >> > 
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> > _______________________________________________
> >     >> > Plenary mailing list
> >     >> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >     >> > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> >     >--
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=WSIS_CS_structure.sxd
> >     >Content-Type: application/vnd.sun.xml.draw;
> >     name=WSIS_CS_structure.sxd
> >     >
> >     >Attachment converted: Macintosh:WSIS_CS_structure.sxd (????/----)
> >     (00176A19)
> >
> >
> >     --
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     Plenary mailing list
> >     Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >     http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> >
> >
> >
> > *Amali De Silva-Mitchell MSc.*
> >
> > Tel: 1-604-736-9012 & Email: amalidesilva@yahoo.com 
> > <mailto:amalidesilva@yahoo.com>
> >
> >  
> >
> > // 
> >
> >  
> >
> 


From rguerra at cpsr.org  Fri Feb 20 22:47:34 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] OpenOffice, Civil Society Structures and a new wiki..
Message-ID: <2147483647.1077299254@[192.168.0.55]>


let's not get into an open source debate. it is important to recognize 
that not everyone is using open source.

The graphic in question could have also been saved in numerous other 
formats as well as the open office equivalent so that we all can see it.

70+ megs is needed to dowload open office, and in certain parts of the 
world that's impossible. sigh!

so to apease everyone, i've taken the original open office file and 
posted on the wsis wiki i've started.

<http://cms.privaterra.org/tiki-index.php?page=WSIS>


if people like the Wiki - i'd be more than happy to move it a url of 
it's own.

regards

Robert


--On Friday, February 20, 2004 11:14 PM -0500 "Dr. Francis MUGUET" 
<muguet@mdpi.org> wrote:

>
>> It *is* viewable by all -- for free.
>>
>> It is your opportunity to begin using free software.
>>
>> Just download the software from OpenOffice.org .
>>
>> It's easy and free.
> Thanks Bill for this reminder and support of Free Software !
> This has been the fight of the PCT group at the WSIS !
>
> Cheers !
>
> Francis
>



From mbuntan at anet.net.th  Sat Feb 21 03:18:50 2004
From: mbuntan at anet.net.th (Monthian Buntan)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: OpenOffice -- Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <40367E53.1080702@albany.edu>
References: <20040220210942.61786.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>
 <40367E53.1080702@albany.edu>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040221101649.01ebbc70@203.147.13.146>

Dear Bill:

Unfortunately, it's pretty much inaccessible to me.  Where ever I move my 
cursor, my JAWS keeps silent.  Probably I have to find some way to write a 
script for it.

Regards,

Thian

At 04:38 AM 2/21/2004, Bill McIver wrote:


>It *is* viewable by all -- for free.
>
>It is your opportunity to begin using free software.
>
>Just download the software from OpenOffice.org .
>It's easy and free.
>
>
>WJM
>
>Amali De Silva wrote:
>
>>Can you please re-send this chart as a *_word document_* ( attachment ) 
>>so that all of us can have the opportunity to view it ?
>>
>>Thanks, Amali
>>
>>*/Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp>/* wrote:
>>
>>     >
>>     > >
>>     >> > It would be helpful to write a self-explaining one-pager (with
>>     >>an Organizational Chart) for distribution in Tunis.
>>     >>
>>     >> Attached is a first draft of an organisational chart I began a
>>     while
>>     >> ago. It's in Open Office drawing format. If anyone can convince
>>     me that
>>     >> they can't download Open Office (or get a CD) and install it to
>>     read the
>>     >> file (in Windows or in Linux), (and in the process start using free
>>     >> software), I'll see what I can do about making an image file of
>>     it or
>>     >> sending them a CD with the Open Office installation on it.
>>     >> http://www.openoffice.org
>>     > >
>>
>>
>>
>>     Fun downloading a 170Mb file (open office.) I should have done it
>>     long ago. All the same, a bit of hassle for one diagram. Could you
>>     put it on the web?
>>
>>     On ly comment I can think to add is that civil society organizations
>>     participating in prepcoms and summit(s) need to be accredited, so
>>     that's another filter (and indicates a path for how individuals
>>     can/cannot contribute.) It is a helpful and good diagram.
>>
>>     Been suggested that we conduct an evaluation. Before getting too far
>>     down the path of deciding new ways of working, perhaps some review of
>>     what worked/did not work for the first phase should be done? Nick
>>     has done work preparing for this.
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>
>>     Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     > > Regards,
>>     >>
>>     >> Chris
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >> > Best
>>     >> >
>>     >> > wolfgang
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> > -- Original Nachricht--
>>     >> > Von: Rikke Frank Joergensen
>>     >> > An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>     >> > Senden: 11:12 AM
>>     >> > Betreff: [WSIS CS-Ple nary] tunis meeting
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >     >> >
>>     >> > Hi,
>>     >> >
>>     >> >     >> >
>>     >> > I am glad to see that C&T is a "born" participant in the
>>     >> > Tunis meeting, according to the information from Renata.
>>     >> >
>>     >> >     >> >
>>     >> > However, its still worrying that the family structure is the
>>     point
>>     >> > of access for CS at a meeting that will undoubtedly deal with
>>     >>both process and
>>     >> > content. And that effective means for participation in this 2.
>>     >>phase will be so
>>     >> > limited due to financial constrains on CS.
>>     >> >
>>     >> >     >> >
>>     >> > Rikke
>>     >> >
>>     >> >     >> >
>>     >> >     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> > _______________________________________________
>>     >> > Plenary mailing list
>>     >> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>     >> > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>>     >--
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=WSIS_CS_structure.sxd
>>     >Content-Type: application/vnd.sun.xml.draw;
>>     name=WSIS_CS_structure.sxd
>>     >
>>     >Attachment converted: Macintosh:WSIS_CS_structure.sxd (????/----)
>>     (00176A19)
>>
>>
>>     --
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Plenary mailing list
>>     Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>     http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>>
>>
>>
>>*Amali De Silva-Mitchell MSc.*
>>
>>Tel: 1-604-736-9012 & Email: amalidesilva@yahoo.com 
>><mailto:amalidesilva@yahoo.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>//
>>
>
>
>--
>
>Bill McIver
>Assistant Professor
>School of Information Science and Policy
>University at Albany, State University of New York
>Albany, New York 12222
>USA
>
>e-mail: mciver@albany.edu
>URL: http://www.albany.edu/~mciver
>
>_______________________________________________
>Plenary mailing list
>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary

"I've given up on giving up."
Monthian Buntan
Executive Director, Thai Blind People's Foundation (TBPF)
First-vice President, Thailand Association of the Blind (TAB)
First-vice President, Thailand Service Cooperative of the Blind
Member of the Executive Committee, World Blind Union (WBU)
Member of the Advisory Committee on Disability to the Prime Minister of 
Thailand
Founder and Secretary, Thailand National Committee on DAISY Production and 
Services (TNCD)

Tel: +66-2-246-2287
Fax: +66-2-246-2278
Mobile: +66-1-870-0783
E-mail: <mbuntan@tab.or.th> or <mbuntan@anet.net.th>



From mbuntan at anet.net.th  Sat Feb 21 03:18:50 2004
From: mbuntan at anet.net.th (Monthian Buntan)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: OpenOffice -- Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <40367E53.1080702@albany.edu>
References: <20040220210942.61786.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>
 <40367E53.1080702@albany.edu>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040221101649.01ebbc70@203.147.13.146>

Dear Bill:

Unfortunately, it's pretty much inaccessible to me.  Where ever I move my 
cursor, my JAWS keeps silent.  Probably I have to find some way to write a 
script for it.

Regards,

Thian

At 04:38 AM 2/21/2004, Bill McIver wrote:


>It *is* viewable by all -- for free.
>
>It is your opportunity to begin using free software.
>
>Just download the software from OpenOffice.org .
>It's easy and free.
>
>
>WJM
>
>Amali De Silva wrote:
>
>>Can you please re-send this chart as a *_word document_* ( attachment ) 
>>so that all of us can have the opportunity to view it ?
>>
>>Thanks, Amali
>>
>>*/Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp>/* wrote:
>>
>>     >
>>     > >
>>     >> > It would be helpful to write a self-explaining one-pager (with
>>     >>an Organizational Chart) for distribution in Tunis.
>>     >>
>>     >> Attached is a first draft of an organisational chart I began a
>>     while
>>     >> ago. It's in Open Office drawing format. If anyone can convince
>>     me that
>>     >> they can't download Open Office (or get a CD) and install it to
>>     read the
>>     >> file (in Windows or in Linux), (and in the process start using free
>>     >> software), I'll see what I can do about making an image file of
>>     it or
>>     >> sending them a CD with the Open Office installation on it.
>>     >> http://www.openoffice.org
>>     > >
>>
>>
>>
>>     Fun downloading a 170Mb file (open office.) I should have done it
>>     long ago. All the same, a bit of hassle for one diagram. Could you
>>     put it on the web?
>>
>>     On ly comment I can think to add is that civil society organizations
>>     participating in prepcoms and summit(s) need to be accredited, so
>>     that's another filter (and indicates a path for how individuals
>>     can/cannot contribute.) It is a helpful and good diagram.
>>
>>     Been suggested that we conduct an evaluation. Before getting too far
>>     down the path of deciding new ways of working, perhaps some review of
>>     what worked/did not work for the first phase should be done? Nick
>>     has done work preparing for this.
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>
>>     Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     > > Regards,
>>     >>
>>     >> Chris
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >> > Best
>>     >> >
>>     >> > wolfgang
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> > -- Original Nachricht--
>>     >> > Von: Rikke Frank Joergensen
>>     >> > An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>     >> > Senden: 11:12 AM
>>     >> > Betreff: [WSIS CS-Ple nary] tunis meeting
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >     >> >
>>     >> > Hi,
>>     >> >
>>     >> >     >> >
>>     >> > I am glad to see that C&T is a "born" participant in the
>>     >> > Tunis meeting, according to the information from Renata.
>>     >> >
>>     >> >     >> >
>>     >> > However, its still worrying that the family structure is the
>>     point
>>     >> > of access for CS at a meeting that will undoubtedly deal with
>>     >>both process and
>>     >> > content. And that effective means for participation in this 2.
>>     >>phase will be so
>>     >> > limited due to financial constrains on CS.
>>     >> >
>>     >> >     >> >
>>     >> > Rikke
>>     >> >
>>     >> >     >> >
>>     >> >     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> > _______________________________________________
>>     >> > Plenary mailing list
>>     >> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>     >> > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>>     >--
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=WSIS_CS_structure.sxd
>>     >Content-Type: application/vnd.sun.xml.draw;
>>     name=WSIS_CS_structure.sxd
>>     >
>>     >Attachment converted: Macintosh:WSIS_CS_structure.sxd (????/----)
>>     (00176A19)
>>
>>
>>     --
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Plenary mailing list
>>     Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>     http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>>
>>
>>
>>*Amali De Silva-Mitchell MSc.*
>>
>>Tel: 1-604-736-9012 & Email: amalidesilva@yahoo.com 
>><mailto:amalidesilva@yahoo.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>//
>>
>
>
>--
>
>Bill McIver
>Assistant Professor
>School of Information Science and Policy
>University at Albany, State University of New York
>Albany, New York 12222
>USA
>
>e-mail: mciver@albany.edu
>URL: http://www.albany.edu/~mciver
>
>_______________________________________________
>Plenary mailing list
>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary

"I've given up on giving up."
Monthian Buntan
Executive Director, Thai Blind People's Foundation (TBPF)
First-vice President, Thailand Association of the Blind (TAB)
First-vice President, Thailand Service Cooperative of the Blind
Member of the Executive Committee, World Blind Union (WBU)
Member of the Advisory Committee on Disability to the Prime Minister of 
Thailand
Founder and Secretary, Thailand National Committee on DAISY Production and 
Services (TNCD)

Tel: +66-2-246-2287
Fax: +66-2-246-2278
Mobile: +66-1-870-0783
E-mail: <mbuntan@tab.or.th> or <mbuntan@anet.net.th>



From nick at takingitglobal.org  Fri Feb 20 21:54:27 2004
From: nick at takingitglobal.org (Nick Moraitis)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:29 2007
Subject: OpenOffice -- Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <40367E53.1080702@albany.edu>
Message-ID: <003001c3f7fc$1c32dae0$8b01a8c0@tiglaptop61>

How about uploading it to the web as a picture... (take a screen shot)

I'm not interested in downloading new programs but thanks for the
thought :)

Cheers
Nick

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill McIver [mailto:mciver@albany.edu] 
Sent: February 20, 2004 4:38 PM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Cc: cnicol@pangea.org; nick@takingitglobal.org
Subject: OpenOffice -- Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting




It *is* viewable by all -- for free.

It is your opportunity to begin using free software.

Just download the software from OpenOffice.org . 

It's easy and free.


WJM

Amali De Silva wrote:

> Can you please re-send this chart as a *_word document_* ( attachment
> ) so that all of us can have the opportunity to view it ?
>  
> Thanks, Amali
>
> */Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp>/* wrote:
>
>     >
>     > >
>     >> > It would be helpful to write a self-explaining one-pager
(with
>     >>an Organizational Chart) for distribution in Tunis.
>     >>
>     >> Attached is a first draft of an organisational chart I began a
>     while
>     >> ago. It's in Open Office drawing format. If anyone can convince
>     me that
>     >> they can't download Open Office (or get a CD) and install it to
>     read the
>     >> file (in Windows or in Linux), (and in the process start using
free
>     >> software), I'll see what I can do about making an image file of
>     it or
>     >> sending them a CD with the Open Office installation on it.
>     >> http://www.openoffice.org
>     > >
>
>
>
>     Fun downloading a 170Mb file (open office.) I should have done it
>     long ago. All the same, a bit of hassle for one diagram. Could you
>     put it on the web?
>
>     On ly comment I can think to add is that civil society
organizations
>     participating in prepcoms and summit(s) need to be accredited, so
>     that's another filter (and indicates a path for how individuals
>     can/cannot contribute.) It is a helpful and good diagram.
>
>     Been suggested that we conduct an evaluation. Before getting too
far
>     down the path of deciding new ways of working, perhaps some review
of
>     what worked/did not work for the first phase should be done? Nick
>     has done work preparing for this.
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Adam
>
>
>
>
>     > > Regards,
>     >>
>     >> Chris
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> > Best
>     >> >
>     >> > wolfgang
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> > -- Original Nachricht--
>     >> > Von: Rikke Frank Joergensen
>     >> > An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>     >> > Senden: 11:12 AM
>     >> > Betreff: [WSIS CS-Ple nary] tunis meeting
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> > 
>     >> >
>     >> > Hi,
>     >> >
>     >> > 
>     >> >
>     >> > I am glad to see that C&T is a "born" participant in the
>     >> > Tunis meeting, according to the information from Renata.
>     >> >
>     >> > 
>     >> >
>     >> > However, its still worrying that the family structure is the
>     point
>     >> > of access for CS at a meeting that will undoubtedly deal with
>     >>both process and
>     >> > content. And that effective means for participation in this
2.
>     >>phase will be so
>     >> > limited due to financial constrains on CS.
>     >> >
>     >> > 
>     >> >
>     >> > Rikke
>     >> >
>     >> > 
>     >> >
>     >> > 
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> > _______________________________________________
>     >> > Plenary mailing list
>     >> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>     >> > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>     >--
>     >
>     >
>     >Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=WSIS_CS_structure.sxd
>     >Content-Type: application/vnd.sun.xml.draw;
>     name=WSIS_CS_structure.sxd
>     >
>     >Attachment converted: Macintosh:WSIS_CS_structure.sxd (????/----)
>     (00176A19)
>
>
>     --
>     _______________________________________________
>     Plenary mailing list
>     Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>     http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>
>
>
> *Amali De Silva-Mitchell MSc.*
>
> Tel: 1-604-736-9012 & Email: amalidesilva@yahoo.com
> <mailto:amalidesilva@yahoo.com>
>
>  
>
> //
>
>  
>


-- 

Bill McIver
Assistant Professor
School of Information Science and Policy
University at Albany, State University of New York
Albany, New York 12222
USA

e-mail: mciver@albany.edu
URL: http://www.albany.edu/~mciver




From rguerra at cpsr.org  Sat Feb 21 19:35:58 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: OpenOffice -- Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <003001c3f7fc$1c32dae0$8b01a8c0@tiglaptop61>
References: <003001c3f7fc$1c32dae0$8b01a8c0@tiglaptop61>
Message-ID: <2147483647.1077374158@[192.168.0.55]>

as I mentioned earlier - the image is on my wsis wiki site..

<http://cms.privaterra.org/tiki-index.php?page=WSIS>

regards

Robert

--On Friday, February 20, 2004 4:54 PM -0500 Nick Moraitis 
<nick@takingitglobal.org> wrote:

> How about uploading it to the web as a picture... (take a screen shot)
>
> I'm not interested in downloading new programs but thanks for the
> thought :)
>
> Cheers
> Nick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill McIver [mailto:mciver@albany.edu]
> Sent: February 20, 2004 4:38 PM
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Cc: cnicol@pangea.org; nick@takingitglobal.org
> Subject: OpenOffice -- Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
>
>
>
>
> It *is* viewable by all -- for free.
>
> It is your opportunity to begin using free software.
>
> Just download the software from OpenOffice.org .
>
> It's easy and free.
>
>
> WJM
>
> Amali De Silva wrote:
>
>> Can you please re-send this chart as a *_word document_* ( attachment
>> ) so that all of us can have the opportunity to view it ?
>>
>> Thanks, Amali
>>
>> */Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp>/* wrote:
>>
>>     >
>>     > >
>>     >> > It would be helpful to write a self-explaining one-pager
> (with
>>     >> an Organizational Chart) for distribution in Tunis.
>>     >>
>>     >> Attached is a first draft of an organisational chart I began a
>>     while
>>     >> ago. It's in Open Office drawing format. If anyone can convince
>>     me that
>>     >> they can't download Open Office (or get a CD) and install it to
>>     read the
>>     >> file (in Windows or in Linux), (and in the process start using
> free
>>     >> software), I'll see what I can do about making an image file of
>>     it or
>>     >> sending them a CD with the Open Office installation on it.
>>     >> http://www.openoffice.org
>>     > >
>>
>>
>>
>>     Fun downloading a 170Mb file (open office.) I should have done it
>>     long ago. All the same, a bit of hassle for one diagram. Could you
>>     put it on the web?
>>
>>     On ly comment I can think to add is that civil society
> organizations
>>     participating in prepcoms and summit(s) need to be accredited, so
>>     that's another filter (and indicates a path for how individuals
>>     can/cannot contribute.) It is a helpful and good diagram.
>>
>>     Been suggested that we conduct an evaluation. Before getting too
> far
>>     down the path of deciding new ways of working, perhaps some review
> of
>>     what worked/did not work for the first phase should be done? Nick
>>     has done work preparing for this.
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>
>>     Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     > > Regards,
>>     >>
>>     >> Chris
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >> > Best
>>     >> >
>>     >> > wolfgang
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> > -- Original Nachricht--
>>     >> > Von: Rikke Frank Joergensen
>>     >> > An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>     >> > Senden: 11:12 AM
>>     >> > Betreff: [WSIS CS-Ple nary] tunis meeting
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> > Hi,
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> > I am glad to see that C&T is a "born" participant in the
>>     >> > Tunis meeting, according to the information from Renata.
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> > However, its still worrying that the family structure is the
>>     point
>>     >> > of access for CS at a meeting that will undoubtedly deal with
>>     >> both process and
>>     >> > content. And that effective means for participation in this
> 2.
>>     >> phase will be so
>>     >> > limited due to financial constrains on CS.
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> > Rikke
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >> > _______________________________________________
>>     >> > Plenary mailing list
>>     >> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>     >> > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>>     > --
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=WSIS_CS_structure.sxd
>>     > Content-Type: application/vnd.sun.xml.draw;
>>     name=WSIS_CS_structure.sxd
>>     >
>>     > Attachment converted: Macintosh:WSIS_CS_structure.sxd
>>     > (????/----)
>>     (00176A19)
>>
>>
>>     --
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>>     Plenary@wsis-cs.org
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>>
>>
>>
>> *Amali De Silva-Mitchell MSc.*
>>
>> Tel: 1-604-736-9012 & Email: amalidesilva@yahoo.com
>> <mailto:amalidesilva@yahoo.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> //
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
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> School of Information Science and Policy
> University at Albany, State University of New York
> Albany, New York 12222
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From mciver at albany.edu  Sat Feb 21 22:03:17 2004
From: mciver at albany.edu (Bill McIver, University at Albany)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Declaration -- Endorsement List
Message-ID: <4037D5A5.8070009@albany.edu>

All,

I finally have a compilation of all of the
endorsements sent to ct-endorse@wsis-cs.org.

Please review the draft at:
http://mboom.draper.albany.edu/%7Emciver/WSIS/CSDeclaration/Summit/Final/endorsements.rtf


Let me know if there should be changed made to your entry.

It is in two sections: I. organizations and II. individuals

There are a few individual endorsements for which no
contact or other information came through.
(I don't think these were spam.)


Thanks,

WJM
-- 

Bill McIver
Assistant Professor
School of Information Science and Policy
University at Albany, State University of New York
Albany, New York 12222
USA

e-mail: mciver@albany.edu <mailto:mciver@albany.edu>
URL: http://www.albany.edu/~mciver <http://www.albany.edu/%7Emciver>

From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Sun Feb 22 00:31:33 2004
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata BLOEM)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Declaration -- Endorsement List
In-Reply-To: <4037D5A5.8070009@albany.edu>
Message-ID: <IBEGJNBEEELEANPJGINMIEBLDGAA.rbloem@ngocongo.org>

Bill,

Please add my personal endorsement and that of one of my organizations "
World Federation of Methodist and Uniting Church Women" . Sorry, this comes
late. I am on my way to CONGO Board meeting. Will discuss endorsement also
there.


Best
Renata

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of Bill McIver, University at Albany
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 11:03 PM
To: WSIS Civil Society Plenary List
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Declaration -- Endorsement List



All,

I finally have a compilation of all of the
endorsements sent to ct-endorse@wsis-cs.org.

Please review the draft at:
http://mboom.draper.albany.edu/%7Emciver/WSIS/CSDeclaration/Summit/Final/end
orsements.rtf


Let me know if there should be changed made to your entry.

It is in two sections: I. organizations and II. individuals

There are a few individual endorsements for which no
contact or other information came through.
(I don't think these were spam.)


Thanks,

WJM
--

Bill McIver
Assistant Professor
School of Information Science and Policy
University at Albany, State University of New York
Albany, New York 12222
USA

e-mail: mciver@albany.edu <mailto:mciver@albany.edu>
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From marzouki at ras.eu.org  Sun Feb 22 13:47:35 2004
From: marzouki at ras.eu.org (Meryem Marzouki)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Fwd: The Wrong Man to Promote Democracy
Message-ID: <ABF49914-653D-11D8-B3C3-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org>

Hi all,

I thought those of you who are preparing their trip to the very nice 
Gammarth for the "informal WSIS meeting" might be interested in some 
further reading, besides the Lonely Planet Guide recommended by the 
WSIS Executive Secretariat. Meryem

==========
The New York Times
Editorials/Op-Ed
OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR
The Wrong Man to Promote Democracy
By KAMEL LABIDI
Published: February 21, 2004
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CAIRO ? This week, President Bush played host to President Zine 
el-Abidine ben Ali of Tunisia, giving this ruthless autocrat a 
long-coveted audience at the White House. To his credit, Mr. Bush 
rebuked Mr. ben Ali for his violations of press freedom, but the United 
States is sorely mistaken if it believes that democracy and the rule of 
law can ever take hold under leaders like Mr. ben Ali. The Bush 
administration's welcome of Mr. ben Ali makes America's aggressive 
promotion of democratic reform in the Arab world ring hollow.

It's not obvious from Mr. Bush's public statements, but Tunisia today 
is one of the world's most efficient police states. Since his ouster of 
President Habib Bourguiba in a coup in 1987, Mr. ben Ali has quashed 
virtually all dissent and silenced a civil society that once was an 
example of vibrancy for North Africa and the neighboring Middle East. 
In the early 1990's, the regime cracked down on the country's Islamist 
movement, arbitrarily arresting thousands of suspected activists and 
subjecting them to torture and unfair trials. Mr. ben Ali then extended 
his crackdown to human rights defenders, opposition leaders and 
independent journalists. (I, for example, was stripped of my 
accreditation after 19 years as a journalist following the publication 
of an interview with a human rights advocate.)

Tunisian society is now a shell of its former self; political debate is 
relegated to a whisper under the gaze of the omnipresent secret police. 
Newspapers are filled with Soviet-style hagiography: Mr. ben Ali is 
called the Architect of Change, a title that's hard to accept given 
that last year he won a referendum (with more than 99 percent of the 
vote) that will allow him to run for a fourth presidential term in 2004 
and grant him immunity from prosecution for life. Meanwhile, human 
rights advocates have to put up with constant surveillance, the cutting 
of their phone lines, anonymous threats, and even attack by thugs for 
the regime.

For more than a decade, American policy toward Tunisia has quietly 
ignored these excesses, focusing instead on the country's role as 
moderate ally in a turbulent region, a supporter of the 
Israeli-Palestinian peace process, and a model of relative prosperity 
for the Arab world. The Congressional delegations that periodically 
visit the country have heaped praise on Mr. ben Ali, with one 
congressman a few years back lauding him as a statesman who has "done a 
tremendous job in Tunisia and who is well respected back home as well 
as here in the Arab world." During his visit to Tunis in December, 
Secretary of State Colin Powell gently prodded the government to adopt 
"more political pluralism and openness" while expressing admiration for 
Mr. ben Ali's leadership skills.

Unfortunately, this muted diplomacy has shown little sign of compelling 
illegitimate officials like those in Tunisia to reform themselves. 
Without sustained local and international pressure to overhaul the 
autocratic political leaderships that dominate the Arab world and to 
hold democratic elections, only cosmetic change can be expected.

The United States needs to make it clear to its allies that cracking 
down on terrorism can never be an excuse for violating basic human 
rights. In Tunisia, however, Mr. ben Ali's Parliament passed an 
antiterrorism law in December that would apparently give the regime 
more ammunition to attack peaceful critics and prevent the emergence of 
a credible political opposition. International human rights groups have 
already documented hundreds of cases of political prisoners who, even 
though they never advocated violence, have been labeled terrorists by 
the regime.

In the end, injustice and political repression pave the way for 
terrorism and revenge. The terrorist attack on a synagogue in Djerba in 
April 2002, which the state-run press initially presented as an 
accident, is a reminder of this. The absence of free speech has also 
made extremist clerics on satellite TV stations look like reasonable 
alternatives to the government, leading more young Tunisians to the 
mosques and more young women to wear the veil.

Despite Mr. ben Ali's oppressive regime, Tunisians still hope that 
democracy will take root in their country and that terrorism can be 
defeated. It remains to be seen if the world ? and in particular the 
United States ? is ready to help make this hope become reality.

Kamel Labidi is a former director of Amnesty International-Tunisia and 
former Tunisian correspondent for La Croix, a French daily.
==========
From rguerra at cpsr.org  Sun Feb 22 14:32:07 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at WSIS/ITU informal planning
Message-ID: <2147483647.1077442327@[192.168.0.55]>



I think it would be a good idea to read at statement from CS at the 
upcoming informal meeting in tunisia.

To facilitate the development of text, i've setup a Wiki at the 
following URL:

<http://cms.privaterra.org/tiki-index.php?page=WSIS_CS_Tunis_Statement_0
304>

Do let me know (privately), if it doesn't work for you...

I do recognize this is the role of the C&T group - so please see the 
Wiki as a space where the work can happen. Do let me know who on the C&T 
group I should give admin access to - so that they can control the 
revision process and help formulate the text and get it translated 
(French?)

regards

Robert

From vb at bertola.eu.org  Sun Feb 22 14:55:45 2004
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at WSIS/ITU informal planning
In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1077442327@[192.168.0.55]>
References: <2147483647.1077442327@[192.168.0.55]>
Message-ID: <4fgh3018rs8treien3go59up2kgisk0l3m@4ax.com>

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:32:07 -0500, you wrote:

>I think it would be a good idea to read at statement from CS at the 
>upcoming informal meeting in tunisia.

It might be a good idea, but perhaps there should first be consensus on what
the civil society should state. Would it just be a generic reminder about
the need for more civil rights? Would it be a request for some specific
actions? What other requests, for example in terms of future WSIS process,
we want to make?

(For what regards the matters I am more familiar with, ie Internet
Governance, I think we should take the opportunity to restate the importance
of adequate civil society representation in the upcoming working groups
organized by the Secretary General of the UN.)
-- 
vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<------
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Vecchio sito, nuovo tobl?g...

From rguerra at cpsr.org  Sun Feb 22 15:23:56 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at WSIS/ITU
 informal planning
In-Reply-To: <4fgh3018rs8treien3go59up2kgisk0l3m@4ax.com>
References: <2147483647.1077442327@[192.168.0.55]>
 <4fgh3018rs8treien3go59up2kgisk0l3m@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <2147483647.1077445436@[192.168.0.55]>


--On Sunday, February 22, 2004 3:55 PM +0100 Vittorio Bertola 
<vb@bertola.eu.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:32:07 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> I think it would be a good idea to read at statement from CS at the
>> upcoming informal meeting in tunisia.
>
> It might be a good idea, but perhaps there should first be consensus
> on what the civil society should state. Would it just be a generic
> reminder about the need for more civil rights? Would it be a request
> for some specific actions? What other requests, for example in terms
> of future WSIS process, we want to make?


time is short - so we do need to engage into a discussion about those 
topics ASAP.

all i've tried to do, is create a space - provide a tool, which might 
facilitate development of what we come up with. let's take this as a 
test - to see if tools like Wiki's might help (btw. has this been tried 
before in WSIS/CS?)

All one has to do is register on the site, and then one is free to 
revise what's there.


> (For what regards the matters I am more familiar with, ie Internet
> Governance, I think we should take the opportunity to restate the
> importance of adequate civil society representation in the upcoming
> working groups organized by the Secretary General of the UN.)


There's a meeting this coming week at the ITU in Geneva where I hope 
those issues will be raised. I know, for certain that key groups will be 
raising that concern at the UN ICT Task force meeting and the end of 
March in New York City.

regards

Robert

From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 22 15:46:51 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Fwd: The Wrong Man to Promote Democracy
In-Reply-To: <ABF49914-653D-11D8-B3C3-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org>
Message-ID: <20040222154651.2649.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com>

Bonjour Meryem,
Merci pour cet interessant article de Kamel Labidi.
En as-tu une traduction en français ?
Amitiés
Djilali
--- Meryem Marzouki <marzouki@ras.eu.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I thought those of you who are preparing their trip
> to the very nice 
> Gammarth for the "informal WSIS meeting" might be
> interested in some 
> further reading, besides the Lonely Planet Guide
> recommended by the 
> WSIS Executive Secretariat. Meryem
> 
> ==========
> The New York Times
> Editorials/Op-Ed
> OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR
> The Wrong Man to Promote Democracy
> By KAMEL LABIDI
> Published: February 21, 2004
> 
---------------------------------
> 
> CAIRO — This week, President Bush played host to
> President Zine 
> el-Abidine ben Ali of Tunisia, giving this ruthless
> autocrat a 
> long-coveted audience at the White House. To his
> credit, Mr. Bush 
> rebuked Mr. ben Ali for his violations of press
> freedom, but the United 
> States is sorely mistaken if it believes that
> democracy and the rule of 
> law can ever take hold under leaders like Mr. ben
> Ali. The Bush 
> administration's welcome of Mr. ben Ali makes
> America's aggressive 
> promotion of democratic reform in the Arab world
> ring hollow.
> 
> It's not obvious from Mr. Bush's public statements,
> but Tunisia today 
> is one of the world's most efficient police states.
> Since his ouster of 
> President Habib Bourguiba in a coup in 1987, Mr. ben
> Ali has quashed 
> virtually all dissent and silenced a civil society
> that once was an 
> example of vibrancy for North Africa and the
> neighboring Middle East. 
> In the early 1990's, the regime cracked down on the
> country's Islamist 
> movement, arbitrarily arresting thousands of
> suspected activists and 
> subjecting them to torture and unfair trials. Mr.
> ben Ali then extended 
> his crackdown to human rights defenders, opposition
> leaders and 
> independent journalists. (I, for example, was
> stripped of my 
> accreditation after 19 years as a journalist
> following the publication 
> of an interview with a human rights advocate.)
> 
> Tunisian society is now a shell of its former self;
> political debate is 
> relegated to a whisper under the gaze of the
> omnipresent secret police. 
> Newspapers are filled with Soviet-style hagiography:
> Mr. ben Ali is 
> called the Architect of Change, a title that's hard
> to accept given 
> that last year he won a referendum (with more than
> 99 percent of the 
> vote) that will allow him to run for a fourth
> presidential term in 2004 
> and grant him immunity from prosecution for life.
> Meanwhile, human 
> rights advocates have to put up with constant
> surveillance, the cutting 
> of their phone lines, anonymous threats, and even
> attack by thugs for 
> the regime.
> 
> For more than a decade, American policy toward
> Tunisia has quietly 
> ignored these excesses, focusing instead on the
> country's role as 
> moderate ally in a turbulent region, a supporter of
> the 
> Israeli-Palestinian peace process, and a model of
> relative prosperity 
> for the Arab world. The Congressional delegations
> that periodically 
> visit the country have heaped praise on Mr. ben Ali,
> with one 
> congressman a few years back lauding him as a
> statesman who has "done a 
> tremendous job in Tunisia and who is well respected
> back home as well 
> as here in the Arab world." During his visit to
> Tunis in December, 
> Secretary of State Colin Powell gently prodded the
> government to adopt 
> "more political pluralism and openness" while
> expressing admiration for 
> Mr. ben Ali's leadership skills.
> 
> Unfortunately, this muted diplomacy has shown little
> sign of compelling 
> illegitimate officials like those in Tunisia to
> reform themselves. 
> Without sustained local and international pressure
> to overhaul the 
> autocratic political leaderships that dominate the
> Arab world and to 
> hold democratic elections, only cosmetic change can
> be expected.
> 
> The United States needs to make it clear to its
> allies that cracking 
> down on terrorism can never be an excuse for
> violating basic human 
> rights. In Tunisia, however, Mr. ben Ali's
> Parliament passed an 
> antiterrorism law in December that would apparently
> give the regime 
> more ammunition to attack peaceful critics and
> prevent the emergence of 
> a credible political opposition. International human
> rights groups have 
> already documented hundreds of cases of political
> prisoners who, even 
> though they never advocated violence, have been
> labeled terrorists by 
> the regime.
> 
> In the end, injustice and political repression pave
> the way for 
> terrorism and revenge. The terrorist attack on a
> synagogue in Djerba in 
> April 2002, which the state-run press initially
> presented as an 
> accident, is a reminder of this. The absence of free
> speech has also 
> made extremist clerics on satellite TV stations look
> like reasonable 
> alternatives to the government, leading more young
> Tunisians to the 
> mosques and more young women to wear the veil.
> 
> Despite Mr. ben Ali's oppressive regime, Tunisians
> still hope that 
> democracy will take root in their country and that
> terrorism can be 
> defeated. It remains to be seen if the world — and
> in particular the 
> United States — is ready to help make this hope
> become reality.
> 
> Kamel Labidi is a former director of Amnesty
> International-Tunisia and 
> former Tunisian correspondent for La Croix, a French
> daily.
> ==========


=====
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From wolfgang at imv.au.dk  Sun Feb 22 20:30:51 2004
From: wolfgang at imv.au.dk (wolfgang@imv.au.dk)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at WSIS/ITU informal planning
Message-ID: <E1Av0FX-0003U5-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>

Dear al, 

there are some concrete proposals in the CS Declaration like an internaitonal convention against information warfare or a convention for cultural diversity. One key proposal was the launching of an independent WSIS "Observatory". 

The idea with the observatory was to have a multistakeholder network  which could be something like a "clearinghouse" or, probably, also a "watchdog". The proposal was to evaluate internaitonal conventions and the work of existing intergovernmental and other organisations how the match with the WSIS principles. 

The "Obervatory" proposal is a little bit different from the proposed "Annual Benchmarking" report of the WSIS Action plan, but does no conflict. In fact, it is complementary. 

To base a short statement in Tunis on this already formulated observatory proposal could be useful. 

best regards

wolfgang



In the  C-- Original Nachricht--
Von: Robert Guerra <rguerra@cpsr.org>
An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Senden: 04:25 PM
Betreff: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at WSIS/ITU informal planning



--On Sunday, February 22, 2004 3:55 PM +0100 Vittorio Bertola 
<vb@bertola.eu.org>
wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:32:07 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> I think it would be a good idea to read at statement from CS at the
>> upcoming informal meeting in tunisia.
>
> It might be a good idea, but perhaps there should first be consensus
> on what the civil society should state. Would it just be a generic
> reminder about the need for more civil rights? Would it be a request
> for some specific actions? What other requests, for example in terms
> of future WSIS process, we want to make?


time is short - so we do need to engage into a discussion about those 
topics ASAP.

all i've tried to do, is create a space - provide a tool, which might 
facilitate development of what we come up with. let's take this as a 
test - to see if tools like Wiki's might help (btw. has this been tried 
before in WSIS/CS?)

All one has to do is register on the site, and then one is free to 
revise what's there.


> (For what regards the matters I am more familiar with, ie Internet
> Governance, I think we should take the opportunity to restate the
> importance of adequate civil society representation in the upcoming
> working groups organized by the Secretary General of the UN.)


There's a meeting this coming week at the ITU in Geneva where I hope 
those issues will be raised. I know, for certain that key groups will be 
raising that concern at the UN ICT Task force meeting and the end of 
March in New York City.

regards

Robert
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From rguerra at cpsr.org  Sun Feb 22 21:10:15 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at WSIS/ITU
 informal planning
In-Reply-To: <E1Av0FX-0003U5-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
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Wolfgang:

I like the idea of an observatory, and would be keen to develop it 
further.

However, i'd like to point out that UNESCO already has had an 
Observatory on the information society for some time ..
<http://www.unesco.org/webworld/observatory/>


Would we want to expand it, make it more comprehensive? or create 
another body altogether?

While we try to elaborate that, we should also lobby to obtain one of 
the recomendations put forward by the Human Rights caucus in it's 
"Statement on Human Rights, Human Dignity and the Information Society"
<http://www.hri.ca/WSIS/html/position_Hrights.htm>

Specifically,

...establishment, within the procedures of the Commission on
Human Rights or its Sub-Commission, of a position of Special Rapporteur
on Human Rights and the Information Society, with a mandate to monitor
developments in this area, including threats to privacy, freedom of
expression, freedom from surveillance, and applications of ICT to the
realization of economic, social and cultural rights and to human rights
education and recommend measures conducive to advancing human rights in
the information society.


regards,

Robert

--On Sunday, February 22, 2004 9:30 PM +0100 wolfgang@imv.au.dk wrote:

> Dear al,
>
> there are some concrete proposals in the CS Declaration like an
> internaitonal convention against information warfare or a convention
> for cultural diversity. One key proposal was the launching of an
> independent WSIS "Observatory".
>
> The idea with the observatory was to have a multistakeholder network
> which could be something like a "clearinghouse" or, probably, also a
> "watchdog". The proposal was to evaluate internaitonal conventions and
> the work of existing intergovernmental and other organisations how the
> match with the WSIS principles.
>
> The "Obervatory" proposal is a little bit different from the proposed
> "Annual Benchmarking" report of the WSIS Action plan, but does no
> conflict. In fact, it is complementary.
>
> To base a short statement in Tunis on this already formulated
> observatory proposal could be useful.
>


From marzouki at ras.eu.org  Sun Feb 22 21:39:26 2004
From: marzouki at ras.eu.org (Meryem Marzouki)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
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More readings on Tunisia (LA Times). Cette fois-ci une traduction en 
Fran?ais existe (ci-dessous).
Meryem
========
Bush Pushes Tunisia for Press Freedom

??? Publication: Los Angeles Times
??? Date: 02/19/2004
??? Author: Maura Reynolds

??? WASHINGTON - By Bush administration standards, the president's 
words stung.

??? Sitting beside Tunisia's strongman leader in the Oval Office on 
Wednesday, President Bush said he looked forward to discussing "the 
need to have a press corps that is vibrant and free, as well as an open 
political process."
???
??? Although those words might sound mild, human rights advocates said 
they marked a watershed. It appeared to be the first time Bush has 
issued a face-to-face challenge on human rights to an Arab leader who 
has been an ally in the administration's declared war on terrorism.

??? "Generally the administration has not responded publicly to our 
concerns. So this is something. This is quite instrumental," said Frank 
Smyth, a spokesman for the Committee to Protect Journalists, a New 
York-based group that promotes press freedom. "When push comes to 
shove, press freedom has been pushed aside to make way for other 
priorities in the name of the war on terrorism."

??? Members of the administration, Smyth added, are "at least 
acknowledging that their stated goals of fighting terrorism and 
promoting democracy are at odds in countries like Tunisia."

??? It has been nearly a year since Bush proclaimed that promoting 
democracy would take center stage in his Middle East policies. In the 
intervening months, critics allege, the administration has had trouble 
making its anti-terrorism policies match its pro-democracy rhetoric.

??? Jon B. Alterman, director of the Middle East program at the Center 
for Strategic and International Studies, said the problem was that the 
two goals were in conflict, at least in the short term. Although it is 
in the long-term interests of the U.S. to have democracy flourish in 
the greater Middle East, he said, the administration at the moment has 
a strong need for cooperation in apprehending terrorists.

??? "The problem the United States always has is what you need in the 
short term versus what you need in the long term," Alterman said.

??? The result, said Tamara Wittes, an expert on democratization at the 
Saban Center for Middle East Policy at the Brookings Institution, is 
that the U.S. has a serious credibility gap in the region.

??? "They've heard the democracy rhetoric from one administration after 
another for many years, but it has always been well down the priority 
list," she said. "Now this administration is saying it is close to the 
top of our priority list. A lot of Arab leaders don't know how 
seriously to take this."

??? The visit by Tunisian President Zine el Abidine ben Ali illustrates 
the difficult balance the administration must strike between the two 
goals, she said.

??? Tunisia is an ethnically Arab country in North Africa. Although its 
population of 10 million makes it too small to be a heavyweight player 
in the Middle East, it has played a leading role there from time to 
time - for instance, it long housed the headquarters of the Palestine 
Liberation Organization.

??? Ben Ali took power in a coup in 1987 and imposed strict limits on 
any political opposition or independent press. Freedom House, a human 
rights advocacy group, rates Tunisia near the bottom of its index for 
political rights - a rating of 6 out of 7, where 7 denotes total 
repression.

??? At the same time, he has been more pro-Western than some other Arab 
leaders and has pursued economic development that has made his country 
considerably more prosperous and literate than its neighbors.

??? In that light, the administration handled Ben Ali's visit with a 
certain degree of delicacy. The Tunisian president enjoyed a private 
visit in the Oval Office, but not a formal state dinner. The White 
House did not hold a joint news conference, allowing just two questions 
from American wire services at the end of an Oval Office photo session.

??? As the cameras clicked, Ben Ali pointedly but politely reminded his 
counterpart that the U.S.-Tunisian relationship had a "strategic 
dimension."

??? Wittes said Ben Ali had long argued that political controls were 
necessary to stem the tide of militant Islam. And like many 
authoritarian leaders in the Middle East, she said, Ben Ali argues that 
putting public pressure on his government will embolden destabilizing 
forces.

??? As a result, Bush's remarks "will make [Arab] leaders sit up and 
take notice. They don't want the public pressure. They constantly make 
the argument that public pressure is counterproductive," she said.

??? Few doubt Bush's sincerity in seeking Mideast democracy, but many 
question whether his commitment is more than rhetorical. So far the 
administration has put only a few hundred million dollars into two main 
democracy programs: the Middle East Partnership Initiative and the 
National Endowment for Democracy. The budget proposals pale in 
comparison with military aid supplied to the region.

??? As a result, it is unclear whether the Bush administration will be 
able to do what has bedeviled so many previous administrations: resolve 
the tension between pursuing security and pursuing democracy.

??? "This is going to be a problem with every single country out there 
- how hard do you push?" said Edward S. Walker Jr., president of the 
Middle East Institute. "Push too hard and you can destabilize the 
country and you have a worse situation. There's a delicate line to be 
drawn."
=============
Los Angeles Times du 19 f?vrier 2004:
Bush incite la Tunisie ? respecter la libert? de presse (Traduction)

Los Angeles Times
Date: 02/19/2004
Auteur: Maura Reynolds
--
WASHINGTON - Consid?rant les normes [langagi?res] auxquelles se plie 
habituellement l?administration Bush, les d?clarations du pr?sident ont 
surpris.
- -
Assis ce mercredi dans le bureau ovale [de la Maison blanche] pr?s de 
l?homme fort de la Tunisie, le Pr?sident Bush a d?clar? qu'il attendait 
avec int?r?t de pouvoir discuter avec lui de "la n?cessit? d?une presse 
vivante et libre, ainsi que d'un syst?me politique ouvert."

Bien que ces paroles semblent mod?r?es, les d?fenseurs des droits de 
l'homme consid?rent qu?il s?agit l? d?une premi?re. Il semble en effet 
que ce soit la premi?re fois que Bush lance un tel d?fi en mati?re de 
droits de l?homme ? la face d?un responsable arabe, alli? de 
l'administration dans sa guerre d?clar?e contre le terrorisme.

"G?n?ralement, l'administration n'a pas r?pondu publiquement ? nos 
soucis. Ainsi, [cet appel] est vraiment quelque chose. C'est tout ? 
fait salutaire", dit Frank Smyth, un porte-parole du Comit? de 
Protection des Journalistes, une organisation bas?e ? New York qui 
milite pour la libert? de presse. "La libert? d?__expression a toujours 
souffert lorsqu?il a fallu faire face ? d'autres priorit?s, au nom de 
la guerre contre le terrorisme."

"Les membres de l'administration??, a ajout? Smyth, "reconnaissent au 
moins que leurs objectifs d?clar?s de lutte contre le terrorisme et de 
promotion de la d?mocratie posent probl?me, dans le cas de pays comme 
la Tunisie."

Il y a presque une ann?e que Bush a proclam? que la promotion de la 
d?mocratie serait au centre de sa politique moyen-orientale. Depuis, 
les critiques de l'administration ont eu beau jeu de signaler qu?elle a 
eu des difficult?s ? ajuster ses politiques anti-terroristes ? son 
discours pro d?mocratique.

Jon B. Alterman, directeur du Programme Moyen-Orient au Centre d?Etudes 
Strat?giques et Internationales, a indiqu? que le probl?me ?tait que 
les deux objectifs sont en conflit, au moins ? court terme. ?'Bien 
qu'il soit dans les int?r?ts ? long terme des Etats-Unis de faire en 
sorte que la d?mocratie se d?veloppe dans l'ensemble du Moyen-Orient??, 
??cependant??, a-t-il ajout?, ??l'administration a un grand besoin ? 
l'heure actuelle de coop?ration pour appr?hender les terroristes??.

"Le probl?me des Etats-Unis a toujours ?t? de concilier les n?cessit?s 
du court terme avec celles du long terme," a dit Alterman. ??Le 
r?sultat??, indique Tamara Wittes, un expert en d?mocratisation au 
Centre Saban pour les Politiques du Moyen-Orient, ? la Brookings 
Institution, ??est que les Etats-Unis ont un s?rieux probl?me de 
cr?dibilit? dans la r?gion, o? on a entendu le discours sur la 
d?mocratie tenu par diff?rentes administrations depuis de nombreuses 
ann?es, mais cette question a toujours figur? au bas de la liste des 
priorit?s. Aujourd'hui, cette administration dit que la d?mocratie est 
presque en t?te de la dite liste. Beaucoup de leaders arabes ne savent 
pas combien ils doivent prendre au s?rieux ces d?clarations. La visite 
du pr?sident tunisien Zine el Abidine ben Ali illustre l'?quilibre 
difficile que l'administration doit trouver entre les deux objectifs 
d?clar?s??, a-t-elle ajout?.

La Tunisie est un pays arabe, situ? en Afrique du Nord. Bien que sa 
population de 10 millions de personnes seulement en fait un pays trop 
petit pour pouvoir assumer un r?le d?terminant au Moyen-Orient, il joue 
cependant un r?le important de temps ? autre. La Tunisie a par exemple 
longtemps abrit? le si?ge de l'Organisation de Lib?ration de la 
Palestine.

Ben Ali a pris le pouvoir gr?ce ? un coup d?Etat en 1987 et a impos? 
des limites strictes ? toute opposition politique ou ? l'ind?pendance 
de la presse. La Freedom House, un organisme de d?fense des droits de 
l'homme, place la Tunisie au bas de l??chelle de son index des droits 
politiques, o? elle obtient 6 sur 7. Le chiffre 7 indiquant une 
situation de r?pression totale.

En m?me temps, le pr?sident Ben Ali a ?t? plus pro-occidental que 
certains autres leaders arabes et a poursuivi des politiques de 
d?veloppement ?conomique qui ont rendu son pays consid?rablement plus 
prosp?re et avec une population plus instruite que ces voisins.

Consid?rant tous ces ?l?ments, l'administration a du traiter la visite 
de Ben Ali avec un certain doigt?. Le pr?sident tunisien a eu droit ? 
une visite priv?e dans le Bureau ovale, mais pas ? un d?ner d'Etat 
officiel. La Maison Blanche n'a pas tenu de conf?rence de presse 
commune, ne permettant que soient pos?es que deux questions seulement, 
de la part d?agences de presse am?ricaines, ? la fin d'une session de 
photos prises au Bureau oval.

Alors que les cameras cliquetaient, Ben Ali, d?une mani?re 
significative mais polie, a rappel? ? son homologue que les relations 
entre les Etats-Unis et la Tunisie poss?daient une "dimension 
strat?gique."

Wittes a indiqu? que Ben Ali avait longtemps mis en avant que le 
contr?le politique qu'il exerce est n?cessaire pour contenir 
l?islamisme. ??Et comme nombre de leaders autoritaires du 
Moyen-Orient?? , ajoute-t-elle, ??Ben Ali pretend que mettre une 
pression publique sur son gouvernement ne peut qu?enhardir les forces 
de d?stabilisation''.

Ainsi, les remarques de Bush "conduiront les leaders arabes ? prendre 
note??. Ils n?appr?cient pas les pressions publiques. Leur 
argumentation, de mani?re constante, est que ??les pressions publiques 
sont contreproductives, " ajoute-t-elle. Peu de personnes mettent en 
doute la sinc?rit? de Bush qui souhaite la d?mocratisation du 
Moyen-Orient, mais beaucoup doutent que son engagement ira plus loin 
que le discours. Jusqu'? present, l'administration a consacr? ? peine 
quelques cent millions de dollars pour deux programmes principaux de 
promotion de la d?mocratie : L?Initiative de partenariat du 
Moyen-Orient et la National
Endowment for Democracy [La Dotation nationale pour la d?mocratie]. Ces 
sommes palissent en comparaison ? celle inscrite au budget allant ? 
l'aide militaire fournie ? la r?gion.

En fait, il n?est pas bien clair si l?administration Bush sera capable 
d?accomplir ce qui a tarauder tant d?autres administrations avant elle 
: r?soudre la tension entre s?curit? et promotion de la d?mocratie.

"Ceci constituera un probl?me avec chaque pays --jusqu?o? peut-on aller 
en faisant pression sur eux?" dit Edward S. Walker Jr., pr?sident du 
Middle East Institute. "Si vous pousser trop fort vous pouvez 
d?stabiliser le pays en question et vous vous trouver ainsi avec une 
situation bien pire. Il y a l? un ?quilibre delicat ? trouver"
=================

From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Sun Feb 22 23:06:19 2004
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Fullsack Jean-Louis)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Declaration -- Endorsement List
References: <4037D5A5.8070009@albany.edu>
Message-ID: <002501c3f998$7c675d80$0a00000a@default>

English below

Bonsoir Bill, Sally et tous

Merci pour ce r?capitilatif des signatures endossant la D?claration de la
Soci?t? civile au Sommet de Gen?ve. CSDPTT ne l'a pas sign? pour les raisons
que nous avons indiqu?es ? l'issue du PrepCom-3, et les critiques que nous
avons faites lors de la r?union  pl?ni?re de la Soci?t? civile du 10
d?cembre.
On peut remarquer que (seulement) 80 Organisations ont endoss? ce document,
ce qui est peu par rapport aux plus de mille ONG annonc?es officiellement
comme ayant particip? au Sommet.
Je pense que cela devrait faire r?fl?chir les responsables de la SC et en
premier lieu le Bureau.
Mais ce triste bilan doit aussi r?veiller notre groupe C&T sur ses silences
et ses omissions. Je rappelle que notre D?claration se voulait alternative
pour se d?marquer des deux documents officiels du Sommet : la D?claration
des Principes et le Plan d'Action. En fait on ne distingue pas clairement ce
qui a motiv? la SC sinon qu'une grande partie du contenu de sa D?claration
est r?serv?e ? des points de vue plus corporatistes que soci?taux et plus
abstraits que r?alistes. Le SMSI n'est pas une exclusivit? d'Internet !
Enfin, notre D?claration ne propose aucun objectif concret r?alisable dans
le cadre du SMSI. Je rappelle simplement un de nos objectifs principaux,
clairement affich? dans nos contributions au Plan d'Action lors du PrepCom-3
: un acc?s au r?seau de communication pour chaque village des PeD en 2005
soit ? l'issue du SMSI. Il a disparu comme d'autres.
Le Groupe C&T devra se mettre s?rieusement au travail sur des probl?mes
concrets dans cette deuxi?me phase et plus particuli?rement sur ceux qui se
posent aux citoyens et aux peuples des Pays en D?veloppement. CSDPTT
apportera comme dans le pass? sa collaboration mais sera extr?mement
exigeant sur la prise en compte de ses contributions.
Pour m?moire je rappelle que j'ai demand? la semaine derni?re ? Sally s'il
?tait souhaitable pour notre groupe que j'assiste ? la r?union de jeudi
prochain ? Gen?ve compte tenu des points ? l'ordre du jour. Je n'ai pas eu
de r?ponse.
Bien cordialement
Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT
Personne focale pour "Acc?s- Infrasructure- Financement" de C&T

Hi Bill, Sally and all
Thanks for this compilation of the NGOs' endorsements of the CS Declaration
at the Geneva Summit. CSDPTT didn't sign it for the reasons we indicated at
the end of PrepCom-3 and following our critics we expressed during the
december 10th  CS plenary meeting.
It is remarkable that (only) 80 NGO endorsed "our" document, which is few in
comparison of more than a thousand CS organisations officially announced to
having attended the Geneva Summit.
I do believe that this result should give CS responsibles and at first the
CS Bureau something to think about.
But this dreadful outcome should also wake up our C&T group upon its
silences and omissions. I remind you that our Declaration ought to be
alternative as to distance itself from both the official Summit documents :
the Declaration of Principles and the Action Plan. In fact one doesn't
distinguish clearly what really were the CS' incentives except that a major
part of its Declaration is kept for opinions that are more corporatist than
societal and more abstract than realistic. WSIS isn't a monopoly for
Internet ! Finally our Declaration doen't suggest any concrete goal that
could be achieved in the WSIS framework. I just remind one of our main goals
declared in our contributions to the Action Plan during PrepCom-3 : an
access to the communication network for each village in DCs by 2005, i.e. at
the end of WSIS. As many others it has disappeared.
The C&T group must go seriously on its work for addressing these concrete
issues during the second phase and more specially  those concerning citizens
and peoples of DCs. As it did in the past CSDPTT will collaborate but will
be extremely strict about its contribution to be taken in account.
BTW I'd just remind that last week I asked Sally if it wuld be desirable for
our group that I attend the thursday meeting in Geneva for agenda reasons. I
didn't get any answer yet.
Best regards
Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT
C&T Focal person for "Access-Infrastructure- Financing"

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill McIver, University at Albany" <mciver@albany.edu>
To: "WSIS Civil Society Plenary List" <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 11:03 PM
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Declaration -- Endorsement List


>
> All,
>
> I finally have a compilation of all of the
> endorsements sent to ct-endorse@wsis-cs.org.
>
> Please review the draft at:
>
http://mboom.draper.albany.edu/%7Emciver/WSIS/CSDeclaration/Summit/Final/end
orsements.rtf
>
>
> Let me know if there should be changed made to your entry.
>
> It is in two sections: I. organizations and II. individuals
>
> There are a few individual endorsements for which no
> contact or other information came through.
> (I don't think these were spam.)
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> WJM
> --
>
> Bill McIver
> Assistant Professor
> School of Information Science and Policy
> University at Albany, State University of New York
> Albany, New York 12222
> USA
>
> e-mail: mciver@albany.edu <mailto:mciver@albany.edu>
> URL: http://www.albany.edu/~mciver <http://www.albany.edu/%7Emciver>
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From t.naughton at iafrica.com  Mon Feb 23 06:22:02 2004
From: t.naughton at iafrica.com (Tracey Naughton)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at WSIS/ITU
	informal planning
In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1077466215@[192.168.0.55]>
Message-ID: <BC5F68AA.3C5E%t.naughton@iafrica.com>

Hello

Since freedom of expression is so compromised in Tunisia I am of the view
that the Media Caucus should make a statement on its approach to this. A
number of our colleagues are languishing in gaol there. Many others are not
free to practice independent journalism. You will recall the allegations
that Tunisian people confiscated the WSIS newspaper in Geneva because it
reported on such matters.

There are obviously several approaches that we could take to the process, in
terms of dealing with media reality.

The matter is up for discussion on our e-list and I will get back to the
Plenary with the result.

Regards

Tracey Naughton
Chair, Media caucus

 
Nyaka - Communication & Development
Tracey Naughton
Consultant
201 Somerset Hall
239 Oxford Road
Illovo  2196
South Africa

Phone/fax:    +27 (0) 11 880 5030
cell:               +27 (0) 82 821 1771
Email:              t.naughton@iafrica.com



From veni at veni.com  Mon Feb 23 06:23:19 2004
From: veni at veni.com (Veni Markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Bush Pushes Tunisia for Press Freedom / Bush inci
  =?iso-8859-1?Q?te_la_Tunisie_=E0_respecter_la_libert=E9_de_press_e_?=
In-Reply-To: <968B0B4C-657F-11D8-8D2C-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org>
References: <968B0B4C-657F-11D8-8D2C-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040223082239.02a00ec0@198.111.183.129>

Meryem,
we all know there are problems in Tunisia,. but what do you suggest we can do?

veni


From PT at wacc.org.uk  Mon Feb 23 08:09:59 2004
From: PT at wacc.org.uk (Pradip Thomas)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Declaration -- Endorsement List
Message-ID: <7414FB05C3419C42931F0911BE79061D196214@wacc-commserver.wacc.org.uk>

Hope that it is not too late to include the endorsement from the World
Association for Christian Communication (WACC), 357 Kennington Lane,
London SE11 5QY, UK. Pradip Thomas (pt@wacc.org.uk)

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On
Behalf Of Bill McIver, University at Albany
Sent: 21 February 2004 22:03
To: WSIS Civil Society Plenary List
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Declaration -- Endorsement List


All,

I finally have a compilation of all of the
endorsements sent to ct-endorse@wsis-cs.org.

Please review the draft at:
http://mboom.draper.albany.edu/%7Emciver/WSIS/CSDeclaration/Summit/Final
/endorsements.rtf


Let me know if there should be changed made to your entry.

It is in two sections: I. organizations and II. individuals

There are a few individual endorsements for which no
contact or other information came through.
(I don't think these were spam.)


Thanks,

WJM
-- 

Bill McIver
Assistant Professor
School of Information Science and Policy
University at Albany, State University of New York
Albany, New York 12222
USA

e-mail: mciver@albany.edu <mailto:mciver@albany.edu>
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From raoul.weiler at skynet.be  Mon Feb 23 09:04:11 2004
From: raoul.weiler at skynet.be (Raoul Weiler)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at WSIS/ITUinformal planning
References: <BC5F68AA.3C5E%t.naughton@iafrica.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c3f9ec$02fe6390$0b01a8c0@computer03>

Hello,

I support this suggestion. Would it be possible to
ask the Peace Nobel Price Mrs. Ebadi for some
declaration?

As it was the intention of the CS to invite her at the
WSIS, but she could be in Geneva since she was
in Oslo for price acceptance.

Warm regards,

Raoul Weiler
Club of Rome



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tracey Naughton" <t.naughton@iafrica.com>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at
WSIS/ITUinformal planning


> Hello
>
> Since freedom of expression is so compromised in Tunisia I am of the view
> that the Media Caucus should make a statement on its approach to this. A
> number of our colleagues are languishing in gaol there. Many others are
not
> free to practice independent journalism. You will recall the allegations
> that Tunisian people confiscated the WSIS newspaper in Geneva because it
> reported on such matters.
>
> There are obviously several approaches that we could take to the process,
in
> terms of dealing with media reality.
>
> The matter is up for discussion on our e-list and I will get back to the
> Plenary with the result.
>
> Regards
>
> Tracey Naughton
> Chair, Media caucus
>
>
> Nyaka - Communication & Development
> Tracey Naughton
> Consultant
> 201 Somerset Hall
> 239 Oxford Road
> Illovo  2196
> South Africa
>
> Phone/fax:    +27 (0) 11 880 5030
> cell:               +27 (0) 82 821 1771
> Email:              t.naughton@iafrica.com
>
>
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From westasiaregion at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 23 09:16:14 2004
From: westasiaregion at hotmail.com (west Asia)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at WSIS/ITUinformal planning
References: <BC5F68AA.3C5E%t.naughton@iafrica.com> <000e01c3f9ec$02fe6390$0b01a8c0@computer03>
Message-ID: <Sea1-DAV68JMUMQJtm0000351a7@hotmail.com>

Dear All

Mrs.Ebadi is in Europe (Italy now) for a long visit.When she returns I will
explain the issue to her.

Regards

Amir Barmaki


----- Original Message -----
From: "Raoul Weiler" <raoul.weiler@skynet.be>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at
WSIS/ITUinformal planning


> Hello,
>
> I support this suggestion. Would it be possible to
> ask the Peace Nobel Price Mrs. Ebadi for some
> declaration?
>
> As it was the intention of the CS to invite her at the
> WSIS, but she could be in Geneva since she was
> in Oslo for price acceptance.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Raoul Weiler
> Club of Rome
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tracey Naughton" <t.naughton@iafrica.com>
> To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:22 AM
> Subject: Re: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at
> WSIS/ITUinformal planning
>
>
> > Hello
> >
> > Since freedom of expression is so compromised in Tunisia I am of the
view
> > that the Media Caucus should make a statement on its approach to this. A
> > number of our colleagues are languishing in gaol there. Many others are
> not
> > free to practice independent journalism. You will recall the allegations
> > that Tunisian people confiscated the WSIS newspaper in Geneva because it
> > reported on such matters.
> >
> > There are obviously several approaches that we could take to the
process,
> in
> > terms of dealing with media reality.
> >
> > The matter is up for discussion on our e-list and I will get back to the
> > Plenary with the result.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Tracey Naughton
> > Chair, Media caucus
> >
> >
> > Nyaka - Communication & Development
> > Tracey Naughton
> > Consultant
> > 201 Somerset Hall
> > 239 Oxford Road
> > Illovo  2196
> > South Africa
> >
> > Phone/fax:    +27 (0) 11 880 5030
> > cell:               +27 (0) 82 821 1771
> > Email:              t.naughton@iafrica.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Plenary mailing list
> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Mon Feb 23 10:27:36 2004
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Fullsack Jean-Louis)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at WSIS/ITUinformal planning
References: <BC5F68AA.3C5E%t.naughton@iafrica.com>
Message-ID: <002101c3f9f7$a828f280$0a00000a@default>

Dear Tracey
I agree with you. Obviously the freedom of expression issue in Tunisia
should be addressed by the Media Caucus. However at least with a large input
from or in close collaboration with Human Rights Caucus (Meryem Marzouki).
Best regards
Jean-louis Fullsack

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tracey Naughton" <t.naughton@iafrica.com>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at
WSIS/ITUinformal planning


> Hello
>
> Since freedom of expression is so compromised in Tunisia I am of the view
> that the Media Caucus should make a statement on its approach to this. A
> number of our colleagues are languishing in gaol there. Many others are
not
> free to practice independent journalism. You will recall the allegations
> that Tunisian people confiscated the WSIS newspaper in Geneva because it
> reported on such matters.
>
> There are obviously several approaches that we could take to the process,
in
> terms of dealing with media reality.
>
> The matter is up for discussion on our e-list and I will get back to the
> Plenary with the result.
>
> Regards
>
> Tracey Naughton
> Chair, Media caucus
>
>
> Nyaka - Communication & Development
> Tracey Naughton
> Consultant
> 201 Somerset Hall
> 239 Oxford Road
> Illovo  2196
> South Africa
>
> Phone/fax:    +27 (0) 11 880 5030
> cell:               +27 (0) 82 821 1771
> Email:              t.naughton@iafrica.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
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From t.naughton at iafrica.com  Mon Feb 23 11:21:56 2004
From: t.naughton at iafrica.com (Tracey Naughton)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at
	WSIS/ITUinformal planning
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-DAV68JMUMQJtm0000351a7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BC5FAEF4.3C8A%t.naughton@iafrica.com>

Thanks Amir

Please keep me informed when you liaise with Mrs Beady. It could certainly
be useful to have her voice to represent our concerns and hopefully our
efforts to bring about change.

Best regards

Tracey




 
Nyaka - Communication & Development
Tracey Naughton
Consultant
201 Somerset Hall
239 Oxford Road
Illovo  2196
South Africa

Phone/fax:    +27 (0) 11 880 5030
cell:               +27 (0) 82 821 1771
Email:              t.naughton@iafrica.com



From t.naughton at iafrica.com  Mon Feb 23 11:48:38 2004
From: t.naughton at iafrica.com (Tracey Naughton)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at
	WSIS/ITUinformal planning
In-Reply-To: <002101c3f9f7$a828f280$0a00000a@default>
Message-ID: <BC5FB536.3CA4%t.naughton@iafrica.com>

Jean-louis

Thanks - fear not. There is liaison between media and human rights on the
issue. 

Best

Tracey

 
Nyaka - Communication & Development
Tracey Naughton
Consultant
201 Somerset Hall
239 Oxford Road
Illovo  2196
South Africa

Phone/fax:    +27 (0) 11 880 5030
cell:               +27 (0) 82 821 1771
Email:              t.naughton@iafrica.com



From hiroshikawamura at attglobal.net  Mon Feb 23 13:46:37 2004
From: hiroshikawamura at attglobal.net (Hiroshi Kawamura)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Tunis Meeting
Message-ID: <013b01c3fa13$c213b560$b99c58d2@KAWAMURA>

I will be attending on behalf of the DAISY Consortium and Disability Family
Group.

Hiroshi Kawamura
CSB Disability Focal Point



From nne75 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 23 14:45:59 2004
From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] African Civil Society Evaluation
Message-ID: <20040223144559.48661.qmail@web10911.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear all
 
The African Civil Society Coordination is inviting participants to its online evaluation.
 
 PURPOSES OF THE EVALUATION 

 The evaluation aims to: 

 §          Provide a clear picture of what has been achieved- the impact made on WSIS processes and any outcomes;

 §          Learn from the process and approaches used and provide clear aims and objectives to shape and drive ongoing/future work.

 The evaluation is:

 §          Inclusive: open for input from all stakeholders (ie. civil society). This includes utilising any existing feedback where possible.

 §          Transparent: once completed the evaluation will be made available to all the relevant stakeholders. 

 Timetable: 

 Each week a section of the evaluation questions will be posted with a call for responses and discussion on the list. The evaluation team will compile and analyse responses and prepare an evaluation report within two weeks of the final week of discussion.

               Week 1:  Feb 23rd – 29th

HAS THE ACSC ACHIEVED WHAT IT SET OUT TO DO (OBJECTIVES)?

               Week 2:  March 1st – 7th

IMPACT / PROCESS LESSONS LEARN

 Week 3:  March 8th – 14th
 MOVING FORWARD & A FUTURE AGENDA
             Evaluation Report: March 29th

To particpate, send a blank mail to nne75@yahoo.com with "Evlaution" as a header to join the aisi-l mailing list.  Disseminate widely.

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From nne75 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 23 14:53:48 2004
From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Evaluation de la Société Civile africaine
Message-ID: <20040223145348.30434.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com>

 Evaluation : La Société Civile africaine dans le SMSI: De décembre 03 et au delà
 Objectifs

 ·          Avoir une idée claire des réalisations: sur les processus de SMSI et ses résultats.

·          Tirer des leçons de des ces réalisations pour affiner les objectifs des travaux futures 

 L’Evaluation est :

·          Inclusive: ouverte à toute contributions de toutes les parties prenantes.

·          Transparente : une fois terminée l’évaluation sera disponible à tous.

 Plan: 

 Chaque semaine, une partie de l’évaluation nous sera envoyée.  Elle sera discuté et l’équipe d’évaluation fera une compilation les réponses et un rapport de l’évaluation sera fait dans les deux semaines suivants.

semaine 1:   23 – 29 fév

La SCA a t-elle atteint ses objectifs?

                 semaine 2:  1er – 7 mars

impactes / leçons apprises

 semaine 3:  8 – 14 mars
cap sur l’avenir/ Plan d’Action
             Rapport finale:  29 mars  

Pour y participer, répondez à nne75@yahoo.com avec "Evaluation" comme titre pour vous joindre à la liste de diffussion de la société civile africaine.  Veuiller envoyer à d'autres listes.

Merci

 



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From ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es  Mon Feb 23 21:36:41 2004
From: ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?L.Murrugarra?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at WSIS/ITU informal planning
In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1077442327@[192.168.0.55]>
Message-ID: <20040223213641.5481.qmail@web11808.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Robert;
 
Please do you have other link? this link is not working!
 
Regards,
Lady

Robert Guerra <rguerra@cpsr.org> wrote:



I think it would be a good idea to read at statement from CS at the 
upcoming informal meeting in tunisia.

To facilitate the development of text, i've setup a Wiki at the 
following URL:

304>

Do let me know (privately), if it doesn't work for you...

I do recognize this is the role of the C&T group - so please see the 
Wiki as a space where the work can happen. Do let me know who on the C&T 
group I should give admin access to - so that they can control the 
revision process and help formulate the text and get it translated 
(French?)

regards

Robert
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From schock at riseup.net  Mon Feb 23 21:57:21 2004
From: schock at riseup.net (Sasha Costanza-Chock)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] endorsements
In-Reply-To: <20040223120102.1189E3BE3@seven.gn.apc.org>
References: <20040223120102.1189E3BE3@seven.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <403A7741.50700@riseup.net>

It would be valuable for someone who knows how to set up a webform that 
would allow organizations and individuals to add themselves to the list 
of endorsers.

Meanwhile, Bill, thanks for your work on this, and please add to the 
list of endorsing organizations:

Free Press (United States)

Sasha Costanza-Chock

Coordinator
Free Press Global Communication Project
global AT mediareform.net
www.mediareform.net


From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 23 22:04:18 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at WSIS/ITU informal planning
In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1077442327@[192.168.0.55]>
Message-ID: <20040223220418.5535.qmail@web60706.mail.yahoo.com>

Cher Robert,
Votre lien ne fonctionne pas 
Il ne faut pas compter sur quelqu'un de raisonnable et
qui est interessé par le sujet de faire la traduction
d'un texte écrit, finalizé et vérouillé par les
collègues et amis anglophones avec le plus grand
mépris pour les autres langues.
Votre texte ne sera pas compris ni endossé par
l'écrasante majorité des associations non anglophone.
Vous voulez persister dans l'imérailisme anglais et
bien faites et grand bien vous fasse.
Cordialement 
Djilali  

Sorry no comment in English, in the future, as long as
messages are not translate in less in one language in
addition to the English a shall delete it or reply
only in an no English language.
All the best
Djilali
--- Robert Guerra <rguerra@cpsr.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I think it would be a good idea to read at statement
> from CS at the 
> upcoming informal meeting in tunisia.
> 
> To facilitate the development of text, i've setup a
> Wiki at the 
> following URL:
> 
>
<http://cms.privaterra.org/tiki-index.php?page=WSIS_CS_Tunis_Statement_0
> 304>
> 
> Do let me know (privately), if it doesn't work for
> you...
> 
> I do recognize this is the role of the C&T group -
> so please see the 
> Wiki as a space where the work can happen. Do let me
> know who on the C&T 
> group I should give admin access to - so that they
> can control the 
> revision process and help formulate the text and get
> it translated 
> (French?)
> 
> regards
> 
> Robert
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 23 22:08:17 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at WSIS/ITUinformal planning
In-Reply-To: <002101c3f9f7$a828f280$0a00000a@default>
Message-ID: <20040223220817.24224.qmail@web60701.mail.yahoo.com>

Pensez aussi au droit d'expression en Tunisie et hors
de Tunisie, nous pourrions y travailler avec Meryem à
Paris en se concertant avec les associations
tunisiennes en France et en Europe.
Amitiés
Djilali
Sorry, no comment in English

--- Fullsack Jean-Louis <jlfullsack@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> Dear Tracey
> I agree with you. Obviously the freedom of
> expression issue in Tunisia
> should be addressed by the Media Caucus. However at
> least with a large input
> from or in close collaboration with Human Rights
> Caucus (Meryem Marzouki).
> Best regards
> Jean-louis Fullsack
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tracey Naughton" <t.naughton@iafrica.com>
> To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:22 AM
> Subject: Re: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement -
> To be read at
> WSIS/ITUinformal planning
> 
> 
> > Hello
> >
> > Since freedom of expression is so compromised in
> Tunisia I am of the view
> > that the Media Caucus should make a statement on
> its approach to this. A
> > number of our colleagues are languishing in gaol
> there. Many others are
> not
> > free to practice independent journalism. You will
> recall the allegations
> > that Tunisian people confiscated the WSIS
> newspaper in Geneva because it
> > reported on such matters.
> >
> > There are obviously several approaches that we
> could take to the process,
> in
> > terms of dealing with media reality.
> >
> > The matter is up for discussion on our e-list and
> I will get back to the
> > Plenary with the result.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Tracey Naughton
> > Chair, Media caucus
> >
> >
> > Nyaka - Communication & Development
> > Tracey Naughton
> > Consultant
> > 201 Somerset Hall
> > 239 Oxford Road
> > Illovo  2196
> > South Africa
> >
> > Phone/fax:    +27 (0) 11 880 5030
> > cell:               +27 (0) 82 821 1771
> > Email:              t.naughton@iafrica.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Plenary mailing list
> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >
>
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 23 22:25:46 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Declaration -- Endorsement List
In-Reply-To: <002501c3f998$7c675d80$0a00000a@default>
Message-ID: <20040223222546.64813.qmail@web60705.mail.yahoo.com>

Jean Louis,
J'appuis pleinement ton analyse et attend de toi des
propositions pour que nous puissions faire entendre à
nos amis Englophone qu'ils vont droit au contre sommet
avec leur acharnement à mépriser le Français dans la
préparation d'un sommet qui se tiendra en Afrique dans
un pays francophone.
Amitiés
Djilali
Sorry no comment in English
--- Fullsack Jean-Louis <jlfullsack@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> English below
> 
> Bonsoir Bill, Sally et tous
> 
> Merci pour ce récapitilatif des signatures endossant
> la Déclaration de la
> Société civile au Sommet de Genève. CSDPTT ne l'a
> pas signé pour les raisons
> que nous avons indiquées à l'issue du PrepCom-3, et
> les critiques que nous
> avons faites lors de la réunion  plénière de la
> Société civile du 10
> décembre.
> On peut remarquer que (seulement) 80 Organisations
> ont endossé ce document,
> ce qui est peu par rapport aux plus de mille ONG
> annoncées officiellement
> comme ayant participé au Sommet.
> Je pense que cela devrait faire réfléchir les
> responsables de la SC et en
> premier lieu le Bureau.
> Mais ce triste bilan doit aussi réveiller notre
> groupe C&T sur ses silences
> et ses omissions. Je rappelle que notre Déclaration
> se voulait alternative
> pour se démarquer des deux documents officiels du
> Sommet : la Déclaration
> des Principes et le Plan d'Action. En fait on ne
> distingue pas clairement ce
> qui a motivé la SC sinon qu'une grande partie du
> contenu de sa Déclaration
> est réservée à des points de vue plus corporatistes
> que sociétaux et plus
> abstraits que réalistes. Le SMSI n'est pas une
> exclusivité d'Internet !
> Enfin, notre Déclaration ne propose aucun objectif
> concret réalisable dans
> le cadre du SMSI. Je rappelle simplement un de nos
> objectifs principaux,
> clairement affiché dans nos contributions au Plan
> d'Action lors du PrepCom-3
> : un accès au réseau de communication pour chaque
> village des PeD en 2005
> soit à l'issue du SMSI. Il a disparu comme d'autres.
> Le Groupe C&T devra se mettre sérieusement au
> travail sur des problèmes
> concrets dans cette deuxième phase et plus
> particulièrement sur ceux qui se
> posent aux citoyens et aux peuples des Pays en
> Développement. CSDPTT
> apportera comme dans le passé sa collaboration mais
> sera extrêmement
> exigeant sur la prise en compte de ses
> contributions.
> Pour mémoire je rappelle que j'ai demandé la semaine
> dernière à Sally s'il
> était souhaitable pour notre groupe que j'assiste à
> la réunion de jeudi
> prochain à Genève compte tenu des points à l'ordre
> du jour. Je n'ai pas eu
> de réponse.
> Bien cordialement
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> CSDPTT
> Personne focale pour "Accès- Infrasructure-
> Financement" de C&T
> 
> Hi Bill, Sally and all
> Thanks for this compilation of the NGOs'
> endorsements of the CS Declaration
> at the Geneva Summit. CSDPTT didn't sign it for the
> reasons we indicated at
> the end of PrepCom-3 and following our critics we
> expressed during the
> december 10th  CS plenary meeting.
> It is remarkable that (only) 80 NGO endorsed "our"
> document, which is few in
> comparison of more than a thousand CS organisations
> officially announced to
> having attended the Geneva Summit.
> I do believe that this result should give CS
> responsibles and at first the
> CS Bureau something to think about.
> But this dreadful outcome should also wake up our
> C&T group upon its
> silences and omissions. I remind you that our
> Declaration ought to be
> alternative as to distance itself from both the
> official Summit documents :
> the Declaration of Principles and the Action Plan.
> In fact one doesn't
> distinguish clearly what really were the CS'
> incentives except that a major
> part of its Declaration is kept for opinions that
> are more corporatist than
> societal and more abstract than realistic. WSIS
> isn't a monopoly for
> Internet ! Finally our Declaration doen't suggest
> any concrete goal that
> could be achieved in the WSIS framework. I just
> remind one of our main goals
> declared in our contributions to the Action Plan
> during PrepCom-3 : an
> access to the communication network for each village
> in DCs by 2005, i.e. at
> the end of WSIS. As many others it has disappeared.
> The C&T group must go seriously on its work for
> addressing these concrete
> issues during the second phase and more specially 
> those concerning citizens
> and peoples of DCs. As it did in the past CSDPTT
> will collaborate but will
> be extremely strict about its contribution to be
> taken in account.
> BTW I'd just remind that last week I asked Sally if
> it wuld be desirable for
> our group that I attend the thursday meeting in
> Geneva for agenda reasons. I
> didn't get any answer yet.
> Best regards
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> CSDPTT
> C&T Focal person for "Access-Infrastructure-
> Financing"
> 
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill McIver, University at Albany"
> <mciver@albany.edu>
> To: "WSIS Civil Society Plenary List"
> <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 11:03 PM
> Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Declaration --
> Endorsement List
> 
> 
> >
> > All,
> >
> > I finally have a compilation of all of the
> > endorsements sent to ct-endorse@wsis-cs.org.
> >
> > Please review the draft at:
> >
>
http://mboom.draper.albany.edu/%7Emciver/WSIS/CSDeclaration/Summit/Final/end
> orsements.rtf
> >
> >
> > Let me know if there should be changed made to
> your entry.
> >
> > It is in two sections: I. organizations and II.
> individuals
> >
> > There are a few individual endorsements for which
> no
> > contact or other information came through.
> > (I don't think these were spam.)
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
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> >
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> >
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 23 22:28:47 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Bush Pushes Tunisia for Press Freedom / Bush inci  te_la_Tunisie_à_respecter_la_liberté_de_press_e_
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040223082239.02a00ec0@198.111.183.129>
Message-ID: <20040223222847.80644.qmail@web60707.mail.yahoo.com>

Ce serait bien de commencer à discuter avec les
nombreuses associations en Europe et si possible en
Tunisie.
Djilali
Sorry no comment in English

--- Veni Markovski <veni@veni.com> wrote:
> Meryem,
> we all know there are problems in Tunisia,. but what
> do you suggest we can do?
> 
> veni
> 
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From marzouki at ras.eu.org  Mon Feb 23 22:43:38 2004
From: marzouki at ras.eu.org (Meryem Marzouki)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of) suggestion for Tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040223082239.02a00ec0@198.111.183.129>
Message-ID: <B8ED761A-6651-11D8-ADE3-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org>

Le lundi, 23 f?v 2004, ? 07:23 Europe/Paris, Veni Markovski a ?crit :

> Meryem,
> we all know there are problems in Tunisia,. but what do you suggest we 
> can do?
>

Veni, and all,

First of all, some people who are already far more informed than others 
asked me to go on posting information article on Tunisia like those 
I've posted. They find them useful.
Secondly, I suggest doing simply nothing as for now. This Tunis meeting 
is a closed meeting (a non closed meeting is a meeting where anyone can 
participate, at the very least those who have participated for two 
years in the WSIS process, and not a meeting by invitation only.
So, those who are invited and willing to go obviously will go, this is 
their perfect right. But I consider that they don't represent the 
others. Consequently, they don't have anything to say in the WSIS CS 
name (let me add that it seems that they don't have anything to say, 
anyway). They will just speak for themselves. They will listen to what 
will be said, and, hopefully, some of them will report to us.
And be sure I would have said exactly the same thing if the meeting was 
not convened in Tunis.
The fact that WSIS 2nd phase is in Tunis shouldn't hide the fact that 
WSIS CS has to sort out its own business. If the first PrepCom is 
scheduled for this spring, we don't have a lot of time remaining to do 
that. This should be, in my opinion, our first and most important task.
Regarding the Tunisia issue per se, let's have the relevant people take 
care of this as for now and let's see what happen.

[Fran?ais]
D'abord, des personnes bien mieux inform?es que d'autres m'ont demand? 
de continuer ? poster de tels articles d'information sur la Tunisie. 
Ils les trouvent utiles.
Ensuite, je sugg?re de ne rien faire pour l'instant. Cette r?union de 
Tunis est une r?union close (une r?union ouverte est une r?union o? 
chacun peut participer, au moins ceux qui ont particip? au processus du 
SMSI depuis deux ans maintenant, et non une r?union r?serv?e ? ceux qui 
sont invit?s.
Par suite, ceux qui ont ?t? invit?s et qui souhaitent se rendre ? cette 
r?union iront, ?videmment, et c'est leur droit le plus absolu. Mais je 
consid?re qu'ils ne repr?sentent qu'eux-m?mes. En cons?quence, ils 
n'ont rien ? dire au nom de la SC du SMSI (ils semble d'ailleurs qu'ils 
n'aient rien ? dire de toutes fa?ons). Ils parleront simplement en leur 
nom. Ils ?couteront ce qui sera dit et, esp?rons-le, certains d'entre 
eux viendront nous en rendre compte.
Je tiens ? vous assurer que j'aurais dit exactement la m?me chose si 
cette r?union n'?tait pas pr?vue ? Tunis.
Le fait que la seconde phase du SMSI est pr?vue ? Tunis ne doit pas 
cacher le fait que la SC du SMSI doit mettre de l'ordre dans ses 
propres affaires. Si la premi?re PrepCom est programm?e pour ce 
printemps, nous n'avons pas beaoucoup de temps pour ce faire. Ce 
devrait ?tre, ? mon sens, notre premi?re t?che et la plus importante.
Pour ce qui concerne la question particuli?re de la Tunisie, laissons 
faire pour l'instant les personnes les plus ? m?me d'y r?fl?chir et 
voyons ce qu'il en advient.

Meryem

From karenb at gn.apc.org  Mon Feb 23 23:19:02 2004
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] endorsements
In-Reply-To: <403A7741.50700@riseup.net>
References: <20040223120102.1189E3BE3@seven.gn.apc.org>
 <20040223120102.1189E3BE3@seven.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040223231700.03c98608@pop.gn.apc.org>

hi bill

thanks for completing this piece of work -  please add the Association for 
Progressive Communications (APC).

sasha, we can set up a web-based form. we'll work on it in the coming week 
and link it to the www.wsis-cs.org
website

karen

At 13:57 23/02/2004 -0800, Sasha Costanza-Chock wrote:
>It would be valuable for someone who knows how to set up a webform that 
>would allow organizations and individuals to add themselves to the list of 
>endorsers.



From hkawa at attglobal.net  Mon Feb 23 13:20:34 2004
From: hkawa at attglobal.net (Hiroshi Kawamura)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] 2-3 March in Tunis
Message-ID: <00f801c3fa0f$d3997990$b99c58d2@KAWAMURA>

I will be attending on behalf of the DAISY Consortium and Disability Family
Group.

Hiroshi Kawamura
CSB Disability Focal Point



From rguerra at cpsr.org  Tue Feb 24 03:46:50 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at WSIS/ITU
 informal planning
In-Reply-To: <20040223213641.5481.qmail@web11808.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040223213641.5481.qmail@web11808.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2147483647.1077576410@[192.168.0.55]>

website was done most of today. it is back up . please try again and let 
me know if it works for you.


--On Monday, February 23, 2004 10:36 PM +0100 "L.Murrugarra" 
<ladymurrugarra@yahoo.es> wrote:

> Dear Robert;
>
> Please do you have other link? this link is not working!
>
> Regards,
> Lady
>
> Robert Guerra <rguerra@cpsr.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> I think it would be a good idea to read at statement from CS at the
> upcoming informal meeting in tunisia.
>
> To facilitate the development of text, i've setup a Wiki at the
> following URL:
>
> 304>
>
> Do let me know (privately), if it doesn't work for you...
>
> I do recognize this is the role of the C&T group - so please see the
> Wiki as a space where the work can happen. Do let me know who on the
> C&T  group I should give admin access to - so that they can control
> the  revision process and help formulate the text and get it
> translated  (French?)
>
> regards
>
> Robert
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From divwomen at vsnl.com  Tue Feb 24 07:45:17 2004
From: divwomen at vsnl.com (Diverse Womem for Diversity)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] For Aminata Traor
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040224121450.01b45548@mail.vsnl.com>

Dear  Meryem Marzouki

Greetings form Diverse Women for Diversity!

I got your email id from the google search. Could you please forward this 
mail, Dr. Shiva's mail to Dr. Aminata Traor.

thank you very much.

Norma

***********************

Dear Aminata

As discussed in the WSF 2004 meeting at Mumbai, I am enclosing  the draft 
of campaign document on Cotton - The Fibre of Freedom. Please send us your 
inputs for both the declaration and any addition to background for the 
campaign at your earliest, so that we can finalise the campaign document.

In solidarity

Vandana Shiva 
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 24 09:22:54 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of) suggestion for Tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <B8ED761A-6651-11D8-ADE3-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org>
Message-ID: <20040224092254.46767.qmail@web60709.mail.yahoo.com>

Bravo Myriem pour cette analyse, on ne peut plus
claire, on ne peut plus objective et on ne peut plus
constructive.
Le temps joue contre la société civile qui certains
représentant en situation dominante par la langue et
par leur expérience durant la première phase du SMSI
se confinent dans leur aveuglement.
Il faut que la société civile arabe, africaine et du
tiers monde puisse démarrer un processus difficile
pour faire valoir son point de vue et ne pas laisser
aux associations du Nord qui plus est angloxaxone
s'exprimer à leur place.
Les tunisiens aussi doivent saisir l'occasion en
Tunisie et hors de tunisir de saisir cette opportunité
extraordinaire pour faire progresser leur situation et
là tout est ouvert y compris l'option pour bouder le
sommet ou susciter un contre sommet, encore
faudrait-il rester partie prenante dans l'évolution
des choses.
Merci de continuer à nous tenir informés sur
l'évolution des choses et des écrits même en russe ou
en chinois.
Amitiés
Djilali
Sorry Myriem, no comment in English as long as English
spoken members of this discussion group will express
only in English. It is time here also to clarify the
situation.

--- Meryem Marzouki <marzouki@ras.eu.org> wrote:
> 
> Le lundi, 23 fév 2004, à 07:23 Europe/Paris, Veni
> Markovski a écrit :
> 
> > Meryem,
> > we all know there are problems in Tunisia,. but
> what do you suggest we 
> > can do?
> >
> 
> Veni, and all,
> 
> First of all, some people who are already far more
> informed than others 
> asked me to go on posting information article on
> Tunisia like those 
> I've posted. They find them useful.
> Secondly, I suggest doing simply nothing as for now.
> This Tunis meeting 
> is a closed meeting (a non closed meeting is a
> meeting where anyone can 
> participate, at the very least those who have
> participated for two 
> years in the WSIS process, and not a meeting by
> invitation only.
> So, those who are invited and willing to go
> obviously will go, this is 
> their perfect right. But I consider that they don't
> represent the 
> others. Consequently, they don't have anything to
> say in the WSIS CS 
> name (let me add that it seems that they don't have
> anything to say, 
> anyway). They will just speak for themselves. They
> will listen to what 
> will be said, and, hopefully, some of them will
> report to us.
> And be sure I would have said exactly the same thing
> if the meeting was 
> not convened in Tunis.
> The fact that WSIS 2nd phase is in Tunis shouldn't
> hide the fact that 
> WSIS CS has to sort out its own business. If the
> first PrepCom is 
> scheduled for this spring, we don't have a lot of
> time remaining to do 
> that. This should be, in my opinion, our first and
> most important task.
> Regarding the Tunisia issue per se, let's have the
> relevant people take 
> care of this as for now and let's see what happen.
> 
> [Français]
> D'abord, des personnes bien mieux informées que
> d'autres m'ont demandé 
> de continuer à poster de tels articles d'information
> sur la Tunisie. 
> Ils les trouvent utiles.
> Ensuite, je suggère de ne rien faire pour l'instant.
> Cette réunion de 
> Tunis est une réunion close (une réunion ouverte est
> une réunion où 
> chacun peut participer, au moins ceux qui ont
> participé au processus du 
> SMSI depuis deux ans maintenant, et non une réunion
> réservée à ceux qui 
> sont invités.
> Par suite, ceux qui ont été invités et qui
> souhaitent se rendre à cette 
> réunion iront, évidemment, et c'est leur droit le
> plus absolu. Mais je 
> considère qu'ils ne représentent qu'eux-mêmes. En
> conséquence, ils 
> n'ont rien à dire au nom de la SC du SMSI (ils
> semble d'ailleurs qu'ils 
> n'aient rien à dire de toutes façons). Ils parleront
> simplement en leur 
> nom. Ils écouteront ce qui sera dit et, espérons-le,
> certains d'entre 
> eux viendront nous en rendre compte.
> Je tiens à vous assurer que j'aurais dit exactement
> la même chose si 
> cette réunion n'était pas prévue à Tunis.
> Le fait que la seconde phase du SMSI est prévue à
> Tunis ne doit pas 
> cacher le fait que la SC du SMSI doit mettre de
> l'ordre dans ses 
> propres affaires. Si la première PrepCom est
> programmée pour ce 
> printemps, nous n'avons pas beaoucoup de temps pour
> ce faire. Ce 
> devrait être, à mon sens, notre première tâche et la
> plus importante.
> Pour ce qui concerne la question particulière de la
> Tunisie, laissons 
> faire pour l'instant les personnes les plus à même
> d'y réfléchir et 
> voyons ce qu'il en advient.
> 
> Meryem
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
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From sean at nexus.ie  Tue Feb 24 11:17:43 2004
From: sean at nexus.ie (Sean O Siochru)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of) suggestion for Tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <20040224092254.46767.qmail@web60709.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <B8ED761A-6651-11D8-ADE3-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040224110424.01fb7628@gpo.iol.ie>

Djilali et amis

Je suis d'accord aussi avec Meryem sur les questions de la reunion a Tunis, 
la representation de la societe civile, et les priorite pour le moment. 
(Sorry Djilali - just token effort)

Civil Society, and all its components (CS Plenary, C&T Group, Working 
groups, Bureau) must have an open and frank discussion about the future, 
and sort itself out before the first 'official' meeting, which is the 
PrepCom.  The upcoming Bureau meeting and the Tunis meeting have no mandate 
to take any decisions or make any statement on behalf of civil 
society.  But of course, individual civil society members who agree with 
this can play an important role in making known, in Tunis, the huge effort 
that has gone into civil society in terms of organising, the major role we 
played leading up to and at Geneva, and that we are in the process of doing 
so again for this round.    And that we expect the full (hands-off) support 
of the new Secretariat in doing that, and in enabling civil society to 
again play a key role, in ways that we will inform themof in coming months.

Sean .

At 01:22 24/02/2004 -0800, you wrote:

>Bravo Myriem pour cette analyse, on ne peut plus
>claire, on ne peut plus objective et on ne peut plus
>constructive.
>Le temps joue contre la soci?t? civile qui certains
>repr?sentant en situation dominante par la langue et
>par leur exp?rience durant la premi?re phase du SMSI
>se confinent dans leur aveuglement.
>Il faut que la soci?t? civile arabe, africaine et du
>tiers monde puisse d?marrer un processus difficile
>pour faire valoir son point de vue et ne pas laisser
>aux associations du Nord qui plus est angloxaxone
>s'exprimer ? leur place.
>Les tunisiens aussi doivent saisir l'occasion en
>Tunisie et hors de tunisir de saisir cette opportunit?
>extraordinaire pour faire progresser leur situation et
>l? tout est ouvert y compris l'option pour bouder le
>sommet ou susciter un contre sommet, encore
>faudrait-il rester partie prenante dans l'?volution
>des choses.
>Merci de continuer ? nous tenir inform?s sur
>l'?volution des choses et des ?crits m?me en russe ou
>en chinois.
>Amiti?s
>Djilali
>Sorry Myriem, no comment in English as long as English
>spoken members of this discussion group will express
>only in English. It is time here also to clarify the
>situation.
>
>--- Meryem Marzouki <marzouki@ras.eu.org> wrote:
> >
> > Le lundi, 23 f?v 2004, ? 07:23 Europe/Paris, Veni
> > Markovski a ?crit :
> >
> > > Meryem,
> > > we all know there are problems in Tunisia,. but
> > what do you suggest we
> > > can do?
> > >
> >
> > Veni, and all,
> >
> > First of all, some people who are already far more
> > informed than others asked me to go on posting information article on
> > Tunisia like those  I've posted. They find them useful.
>
> > Secondly, I suggest doing simply nothing as for now.
> > This Tunis meeting is a closed meeting (a non closed meeting is a 
> meeting where anyone can
> > participate, at the very least those who have participated for two
> > years in the WSIS process, and not a meeting by  invitation only.
> > So, those who are invited and willing to go obviously will go, this is
> > their perfect right. But I consider that they don't represent the
> > others. Consequently, they don't have anything to say in the WSIS CS
> > name (let me add that it seems that they don't have anything to say,
> > anyway). They will just speak for themselves. They  will listen to what
> > will be said, and, hopefully, some of them will  report to us.
> > And be sure I would have said exactly the same thing  if the meeting was
> > not convened in Tunis.
> > The fact that WSIS 2nd phase is in Tunis shouldn't hide the fact that
> > WSIS CS has to sort out its own business. If the first PrepCom is
> > scheduled for this spring, we don't have a lot of  time remaining to do
> > that. This should be, in my opinion, our first and most important task.
> > Regarding the Tunisia issue per se, let's have the relevant people take
> > care of this as for now and let's see what happen.
> >
> > [Fran?ais]
> > D'abord, des personnes bien mieux inform?es que
> > d'autres m'ont demand?
> > de continuer ? poster de tels articles d'information
> > sur la Tunisie.
> > Ils les trouvent utiles.
> > Ensuite, je sugg?re de ne rien faire pour l'instant.
> > Cette r?union de
> > Tunis est une r?union close (une r?union ouverte est
> > une r?union o?
> > chacun peut participer, au moins ceux qui ont
> > particip? au processus du
> > SMSI depuis deux ans maintenant, et non une r?union
> > r?serv?e ? ceux qui
> > sont invit?s.
> > Par suite, ceux qui ont ?t? invit?s et qui
> > souhaitent se rendre ? cette
> > r?union iront, ?videmment, et c'est leur droit le
> > plus absolu. Mais je
> > consid?re qu'ils ne repr?sentent qu'eux-m?mes. En
> > cons?quence, ils n'ont rien ? dire au nom de la SC du SMSI (ils
> > semble d'ailleurs qu'ils n'aient rien ? dire de toutes fa?ons). Ils 
> parleront
> > simplement en leur  nom. Ils ?couteront ce qui sera dit et, esp?rons-le,
> > certains d'entre eux viendront nous en rendre compte.
> > Je tiens ? vous assurer que j'aurais dit exactement
> > la m?me chose si
> > cette r?union n'?tait pas pr?vue ? Tunis.
> > Le fait que la seconde phase du SMSI est pr?vue ?
> > Tunis ne doit pas
> > cacher le fait que la SC du SMSI doit mettre de
> > l'ordre dans ses
> > propres affaires. Si la premi?re PrepCom est
> > programm?e pour ce
> > printemps, nous n'avons pas beaoucoup de temps pour
> > ce faire. Ce
> > devrait ?tre, ? mon sens, notre premi?re t?che et la
> > plus importante.
> > Pour ce qui concerne la question particuli?re de la
> > Tunisie, laissons
> > faire pour l'instant les personnes les plus ? m?me
> > d'y r?fl?chir et
> > voyons ce qu'il en advient.
> >
> > Meryem
> > _______________________________________________
> > Plenary mailing list
> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>
>
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From wolfgang at imv.au.dk  Tue Feb 24 12:15:56 2004
From: wolfgang at imv.au.dk (wolfgang@imv.au.dk)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of) suggestion for Tunis meeting
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Dear all,

I fully suppoert Seans approach.

Furthermore, while we need an evaluation and re-definition of our priorities und strategies for WSIS Phase II, we should base our plans and actions and what we have achieved in WSIS Phase I. There is always a risk to reinvent the wheel. It makes sense to read the CS Declaration again and again. It makes also sense, to single out a limited number of concrete (key) proposals, formulated in the CS declaration, and to repeat this as well again and again. We need both innovation and consistency.

Best

wolfgang

-- Original Nachricht--
Von: Sean O Siochru <sean@nexus.ie>
An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Senden: 12:19 PM
Betreff: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of) suggestion for Tunis meeting

Djilali et amis

Je suis d\'accord aussi avec Meryem sur les questions de la reunion a Tunis, 
la representation de la societe civile, et les priorite pour le moment. 
(Sorry Djilali - just token effort)

Civil Society, and all its components (CS Plenary, C&T Group, Working 
groups, Bureau) must have an open and frank discussion about the future, 
and sort itself out before the first \'official\' meeting, which is the 
PrepCom.  The upcoming Bureau meeting and the Tunis meeting have no mandate 
to take any decisions or make any statement on behalf of civil 
society.  But of course, individual civil society members who agree with 
this can play an important role in making known, in Tunis, the huge effort 
that has gone into civil society in terms of organising, the major role we 
played leading up to and at Geneva, and that we are in the process of doing 
so again for this round.    And that we expect the full (hands-off) support 
of the new Secretariat in doing that, and in enabling civil society to 
again play a key role, in ways that we will inform themof in coming months.

Sean .

At 01:22 24/02/2004 -0800, you wrote:

>Bravo Myriem pour cette analyse, on ne peut plus
>claire, on ne peut plus objective et on ne peut plus
>constructive.
>Le temps joue contre la soci?t? civile qui certains
>repr?sentant en situation dominante par la langue et
>par leur exp?rience durant la premi?re phase du SMSI
>se confinent dans leur aveuglement.
>Il faut que la soci?t? civile arabe, africaine et du
>tiers monde puisse d?marrer un processus difficile
>pour faire valoir son point de vue et ne pas laisser
>aux associations du Nord qui plus est angloxaxone
>s\'exprimer ? leur place.
>Les tunisiens aussi doivent saisir l\'occasion en
>Tunisie et hors de tunisir de saisir cette opportunit?
>extraordinaire pour faire progresser leur situation et
>l? tout est ouvert y compris l\'option pour bouder le
>sommet ou susciter un contre sommet, encore
>faudrait-il rester partie prenante dans l\'?volution
>des choses.
>Merci de continuer ? nous tenir inform?s sur
>l\'?volution des choses et des ?crits m?me en russe ou
>en chinois.
>Amiti?s
>Djilali
>Sorry Myriem, no comment in English as long as English
>spoken members of this discussion group will express
>only in English. It is time here also to clarify the
>situation.
>
>--- Meryem Marzouki <marzouki@ras.eu.org>
wrote:
> >
> > Le lundi, 23 f?v 2004, ? 07:23 Europe/Paris, Veni
> > Markovski a ?crit :
> >
> > > Meryem,
> > > we all know there are problems in Tunisia,. but
> > what do you suggest we
> > > can do?
> > >
> >
> > Veni, and all,
> >
> > First of all, some people who are already far more
> > informed than others asked me to go on posting information article
on
> > Tunisia like those  I\'ve posted. They find them useful.
>
> > Secondly, I suggest doing simply nothing as for now.
> > This Tunis meeting is a closed meeting (a non closed meeting is a 
> meeting where anyone can
> > participate, at the very least those who have participated for two
> > years in the WSIS process, and not a meeting by  invitation only.
> > So, those who are invited and willing to go obviously will go, this
is
> > their perfect right. But I consider that they don\'t represent the
> > others. Consequently, they don\'t have anything to say in the WSIS
CS
> > name (let me add that it seems that they don\'t have anything to
say,
> > anyway). They will just speak for themselves. They  will listen to
what
> > will be said, and, hopefully, some of them will  report to us.
> > And be sure I would have said exactly the same thing  if the meeting
was
> > not convened in Tunis.
> > The fact that WSIS 2nd phase is in Tunis shouldn\'t hide the fact
that
> > WSIS CS has to sort out its own business. If the first PrepCom is
> > scheduled for this spring, we don\'t have a lot of  time remaining to
do
> > that. This should be, in my opinion, our first and most important
task.
> > Regarding the Tunisia issue per se, let\'s have the relevant people
take
> > care of this as for now and let\'s see what happen.
> >
> > [Fran?ais]
> > D\'abord, des personnes bien mieux inform?es que
> > d\'autres m\'ont demand?
> > de continuer ? poster de tels articles d\'information
> > sur la Tunisie.
> > Ils les trouvent utiles.
> > Ensuite, je sugg?re de ne rien faire pour l\'instant.
> > Cette r?union de
> > Tunis est une r?union close (une r?union ouverte est
> > une r?union o?
> > chacun peut participer, au moins ceux qui ont
> > particip? au processus du
> > SMSI depuis deux ans maintenant, et non une r?union
> > r?serv?e ? ceux qui
> > sont invit?s.
> > Par suite, ceux qui ont ?t? invit?s et qui
> > souhaitent se rendre ? cette
> > r?union iront, ?videmment, et c\'est leur droit le
> > plus absolu. Mais je
> > consid?re qu\'ils ne repr?sentent qu\'eux-m?mes. En
> > cons?quence, ils n\'ont rien ? dire au nom de la SC du SMSI (ils
> > semble d\'ailleurs qu\'ils n\'aient rien ? dire de toutes fa?ons). Ils

> parleront
> > simplement en leur  nom. Ils ?couteront ce qui sera dit et,
esp?rons-le,
> > certains d\'entre eux viendront nous en rendre compte.
> > Je tiens ? vous assurer que j\'aurais dit exactement
> > la m?me chose si
> > cette r?union n\'?tait pas pr?vue ? Tunis.
> > Le fait que la seconde phase du SMSI est pr?vue ?
> > Tunis ne doit pas
> > cacher le fait que la SC du SMSI doit mettre de
> > l\'ordre dans ses
> > propres affaires. Si la premi?re PrepCom est
> > programm?e pour ce
> > printemps, nous n\'avons pas beaoucoup de temps pour
> > ce faire. Ce
> > devrait ?tre, ? mon sens, notre premi?re t?che et la
> > plus importante.
> > Pour ce qui concerne la question particuli?re de la
> > Tunisie, laissons
> > faire pour l\'instant les personnes les plus ? m?me
> > d\'y r?fl?chir et
> > voyons ce qu\'il en advient.
> >
> > Meryem
> > _______________________________________________
> > Plenary mailing list
> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 24 13:47:21 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of) suggestion for Tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20040224110424.01fb7628@gpo.iol.ie>
Message-ID: <20040224134721.61335.qmail@web60706.mail.yahoo.com>

Sean et les amis,
Merci pour l'effort du texte en Français, je vais
essayer de faire de même.
So long as we have not yet decided who can reprente CS
in the future meetings and to take which position on
belalf of such a CS and seems better that those who
will be able to attend these meetings will no deliver
any message except that the CS is concerned by the
organization of the first Summit in Geneva and think
that the Tunis Summit will probably more difficult if
important measures are not taken in consideration : as
conditions to ensure a real and better participation
of CS including the Tunisian african and arabic one.
Nous n'avons pas beaucoup de temps et la pression est
elle que plus le temps passe plus on nous fera avaler
des couleuvres.
And plesa never more in the Future messages like in
Geneva thank you Mrs président for inviting CS thank
you Mr organizator for accepting, thank you....
Finish thank you thank you thank you if you try to be
representative.....
All the best
Djilali  
--- Sean O Siochru <sean@nexus.ie> wrote:
> Djilali et amis
> 
> Je suis d'accord aussi avec Meryem sur les questions
> de la reunion a Tunis, 
> la representation de la societe civile, et les
> priorite pour le moment. 
> (Sorry Djilali - just token effort)
> 
> Civil Society, and all its components (CS Plenary,
> C&T Group, Working 
> groups, Bureau) must have an open and frank
> discussion about the future, 
> and sort itself out before the first 'official'
> meeting, which is the 
> PrepCom.  The upcoming Bureau meeting and the Tunis
> meeting have no mandate 
> to take any decisions or make any statement on
> behalf of civil 
> society.  But of course, individual civil society
> members who agree with 
> this can play an important role in making known, in
> Tunis, the huge effort 
> that has gone into civil society in terms of
> organising, the major role we 
> played leading up to and at Geneva, and that we are
> in the process of doing 
> so again for this round.    And that we expect the
> full (hands-off) support 
> of the new Secretariat in doing that, and in
> enabling civil society to 
> again play a key role, in ways that we will inform
> themof in coming months.
> 
> Sean .
> 
> At 01:22 24/02/2004 -0800, you wrote:
> 
> >Bravo Myriem pour cette analyse, on ne peut plus
> >claire, on ne peut plus objective et on ne peut
> plus
> >constructive.
> >Le temps joue contre la société civile qui certains
> >représentant en situation dominante par la langue
> et
> >par leur expérience durant la première phase du
> SMSI
> >se confinent dans leur aveuglement.
> >Il faut que la société civile arabe, africaine et
> du
> >tiers monde puisse démarrer un processus difficile
> >pour faire valoir son point de vue et ne pas
> laisser
> >aux associations du Nord qui plus est angloxaxone
> >s'exprimer à leur place.
> >Les tunisiens aussi doivent saisir l'occasion en
> >Tunisie et hors de tunisir de saisir cette
> opportunité
> >extraordinaire pour faire progresser leur situation
> et
> >là tout est ouvert y compris l'option pour bouder
> le
> >sommet ou susciter un contre sommet, encore
> >faudrait-il rester partie prenante dans l'évolution
> >des choses.
> >Merci de continuer à nous tenir informés sur
> >l'évolution des choses et des écrits même en russe
> ou
> >en chinois.
> >Amitiés
> >Djilali
> >Sorry Myriem, no comment in English as long as
> English
> >spoken members of this discussion group will
> express
> >only in English. It is time here also to clarify
> the
> >situation.
> >
> >--- Meryem Marzouki <marzouki@ras.eu.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Le lundi, 23 fév 2004, à 07:23 Europe/Paris,
> Veni
> > > Markovski a écrit :
> > >
> > > > Meryem,
> > > > we all know there are problems in Tunisia,.
> but
> > > what do you suggest we
> > > > can do?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Veni, and all,
> > >
> > > First of all, some people who are already far
> more
> > > informed than others asked me to go on posting
> information article on
> > > Tunisia like those  I've posted. They find them
> useful.
> >
> > > Secondly, I suggest doing simply nothing as for
> now.
> > > This Tunis meeting is a closed meeting (a non
> closed meeting is a 
> > meeting where anyone can
> > > participate, at the very least those who have
> participated for two
> > > years in the WSIS process, and not a meeting by 
> invitation only.
> > > So, those who are invited and willing to go
> obviously will go, this is
> > > their perfect right. But I consider that they
> don't represent the
> > > others. Consequently, they don't have anything
> to say in the WSIS CS
> > > name (let me add that it seems that they don't
> have anything to say,
> > > anyway). They will just speak for themselves.
> They  will listen to what
> > > will be said, and, hopefully, some of them will 
> report to us.
> > > And be sure I would have said exactly the same
> thing  if the meeting was
> > > not convened in Tunis.
> > > The fact that WSIS 2nd phase is in Tunis
> shouldn't hide the fact that
> > > WSIS CS has to sort out its own business. If the
> first PrepCom is
> > > scheduled for this spring, we don't have a lot
> of  time remaining to do
> > > that. This should be, in my opinion, our first
> and most important task.
> > > Regarding the Tunisia issue per se, let's have
> the relevant people take
> > > care of this as for now and let's see what
> happen.
> > >
> > > [Français]
> > > D'abord, des personnes bien mieux informées que
> > > d'autres m'ont demandé
> > > de continuer à poster de tels articles
> d'information
> > > sur la Tunisie.
> > > Ils les trouvent utiles.
> > > Ensuite, je suggère de ne rien faire pour
> l'instant.
> > > Cette réunion de
> > > Tunis est une réunion close (une réunion ouverte
> est
> > > une réunion où
> > > chacun peut participer, au moins ceux qui ont
> > > participé au processus du
> > > SMSI depuis deux ans maintenant, et non une
> réunion
> > > réservée à ceux qui
> > > sont invités.
> > > Par suite, ceux qui ont été invités et qui
> > > souhaitent se rendre à cette
> > > réunion iront, évidemment, et c'est leur droit
> le
> > > plus absolu. Mais je
> > > considère qu'ils ne représentent qu'eux-mêmes.
> En
> > > conséquence, ils n'ont rien à dire au nom de la
> SC du SMSI (ils
> > > semble d'ailleurs qu'ils n'aient rien à dire de
> toutes façons). Ils 
> > parleront
> > > simplement en leur  nom. Ils écouteront ce qui
> sera dit et, espérons-le,
> > > certains d'entre eux viendront nous en rendre
> compte.
> > > Je tiens à vous assurer que j'aurais dit
> exactement
> > > la même chose si
> > > cette réunion n'était pas prévue à Tunis.
> > > Le fait que la seconde phase du SMSI est prévue
> à
> > > Tunis ne doit pas
> > > cacher le fait que la SC du SMSI doit mettre de
> > > l'ordre dans ses
> > > propres affaires. Si la première PrepCom est
> > > programmée pour ce
> > > printemps, nous n'avons pas beaoucoup de temps
> pour
> > > ce faire. Ce
> > > devrait être, à mon sens, notre première tâche
> et la
> > > plus importante.
> > > Pour ce qui concerne la question particulière de
> la
> > > Tunisie, laissons
> > > faire pour l'instant les personnes les plus à
> même
> > > d'y réfléchir et
> > > voyons ce qu'il en advient.
> > >
> > > Meryem
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Plenary mailing list
> > > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> 
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From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Tue Feb 24 13:49:08 2004
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Fullsack Jean-Louis)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of) suggestion for Tunis meeting
References: <B8ED761A-6651-11D8-ADE3-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org>
Message-ID: <008f01c3fadc$fa12efc0$0a00000a@default>

English below

Bonjour Meryem
Je soutiens fermement tes propos, et en particulier la non-repr?sentativit?
par rapport ? la Socit? Civile des "invit?s" aux "r?unions ferm?es".
Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT

Hi Meryem
I strongly support your opinion, especially the fact that "invited" CS
members to these "closed meetings" don't represent CS there.
Jean-Louis Fullsack

----- Original Message -----
From: "Meryem Marzouki" <marzouki@ras.eu.org>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Cc: <hr-wsis@iris.sgdg.org>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 11:43 PM
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of) suggestion for Tunis meeting



Le lundi, 23 f?v 2004, ? 07:23 Europe/Paris, Veni Markovski a ?crit :

> Meryem,
> we all know there are problems in Tunisia,. but what do you suggest we
> can do?
>

Veni, and all,

First of all, some people who are already far more informed than others
asked me to go on posting information article on Tunisia like those
I've posted. They find them useful.
Secondly, I suggest doing simply nothing as for now. This Tunis meeting
is a closed meeting (a non closed meeting is a meeting where anyone can
participate, at the very least those who have participated for two
years in the WSIS process, and not a meeting by invitation only.
So, those who are invited and willing to go obviously will go, this is
their perfect right. But I consider that they don't represent the
others. Consequently, they don't have anything to say in the WSIS CS
name (let me add that it seems that they don't have anything to say,
anyway). They will just speak for themselves. They will listen to what
will be said, and, hopefully, some of them will report to us.
And be sure I would have said exactly the same thing if the meeting was
not convened in Tunis.
The fact that WSIS 2nd phase is in Tunis shouldn't hide the fact that
WSIS CS has to sort out its own business. If the first PrepCom is
scheduled for this spring, we don't have a lot of time remaining to do
that. This should be, in my opinion, our first and most important task.
Regarding the Tunisia issue per se, let's have the relevant people take
care of this as for now and let's see what happen.

[Fran?ais]
D'abord, des personnes bien mieux inform?es que d'autres m'ont demand?
de continuer ? poster de tels articles d'information sur la Tunisie.
Ils les trouvent utiles.
Ensuite, je sugg?re de ne rien faire pour l'instant. Cette r?union de
Tunis est une r?union close (une r?union ouverte est une r?union o?
chacun peut participer, au moins ceux qui ont particip? au processus du
SMSI depuis deux ans maintenant, et non une r?union r?serv?e ? ceux qui
sont invit?s.
Par suite, ceux qui ont ?t? invit?s et qui souhaitent se rendre ? cette
r?union iront, ?videmment, et c'est leur droit le plus absolu. Mais je
consid?re qu'ils ne repr?sentent qu'eux-m?mes. En cons?quence, ils
n'ont rien ? dire au nom de la SC du SMSI (ils semble d'ailleurs qu'ils
n'aient rien ? dire de toutes fa?ons). Ils parleront simplement en leur
nom. Ils ?couteront ce qui sera dit et, esp?rons-le, certains d'entre
eux viendront nous en rendre compte.
Je tiens ? vous assurer que j'aurais dit exactement la m?me chose si
cette r?union n'?tait pas pr?vue ? Tunis.
Le fait que la seconde phase du SMSI est pr?vue ? Tunis ne doit pas
cacher le fait que la SC du SMSI doit mettre de l'ordre dans ses
propres affaires. Si la premi?re PrepCom est programm?e pour ce
printemps, nous n'avons pas beaoucoup de temps pour ce faire. Ce
devrait ?tre, ? mon sens, notre premi?re t?che et la plus importante.
Pour ce qui concerne la question particuli?re de la Tunisie, laissons
faire pour l'instant les personnes les plus ? m?me d'y r?fl?chir et
voyons ce qu'il en advient.

Meryem
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 24 14:04:55 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of) suggestion for Tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <E1AvbTg-0007Ef-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
Message-ID: <20040224140455.58565.qmail@web60701.mail.yahoo.com>

En Français ci-aprés...
Dear All,
Wolfgong is already in the content. It's easy to
declare that we have not to reinvent the wheel... We
are only on how to proceed so we avoid difficulties
lived by many of us, especially those comming from
africa during the Geneva Summit....
Putting such a question i don't feel reinventing the
weel but asking how to identify the best wheel we need
and how to use it better for al, in the North but also
in the South, in English, but also in other languages.
All the best
Djilali
Chers vous tous,
Wolfgong est déjà au niveau du contenu et nous
recommande de nous pas perdre de notre temps à
réinventer la roue !
On peut ne pas être satisfait sur ce qui s'est fait et
poser des questions et apporter des éléments de
réponse sur de quelle roue s'agit-il, comment la
définir ensemble et l'utliliser ensemble que nous
soyons du Nord ou du sud, d'Afrique ou des pays
arabes, parlant ou non l'anglais et si nous répondant
à ces préoccupations peut-être éviterions nous d'être
méprisés à Tunis comme nous l'avons été à genève !
Bien à vous
Djilali
--- wolfgang@imv.au.dk wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> I fully suppoert Seans approach.
> 
> Furthermore, while we need an evaluation and
> re-definition of our priorities und strategies for
> WSIS Phase II, we should base our plans and actions
> and what we have achieved in WSIS Phase I. There is
> always a risk to reinvent the wheel. It makes sense
> to read the CS Declaration again and again. It makes
> also sense, to single out a limited number of
> concrete (key) proposals, formulated in the CS
> declaration, and to repeat this as well again and
> again. We need both innovation and consistency.
> 
> Best
> 
> wolfgang
> 
> -- Original Nachricht--
> Von: Sean O Siochru <sean@nexus.ie>
> An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Senden: 12:19 PM
> Betreff: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of)
> suggestion for Tunis meeting
> 
> Djilali et amis
> 
> Je suis d\'accord aussi avec Meryem sur les
> questions de la reunion a Tunis, 
> la representation de la societe civile, et les
> priorite pour le moment. 
> (Sorry Djilali - just token effort)
> 
> Civil Society, and all its components (CS Plenary,
> C&T Group, Working 
> groups, Bureau) must have an open and frank
> discussion about the future, 
> and sort itself out before the first \'official\'
> meeting, which is the 
> PrepCom.  The upcoming Bureau meeting and the Tunis
> meeting have no mandate 
> to take any decisions or make any statement on
> behalf of civil 
> society.  But of course, individual civil society
> members who agree with 
> this can play an important role in making known, in
> Tunis, the huge effort 
> that has gone into civil society in terms of
> organising, the major role we 
> played leading up to and at Geneva, and that we are
> in the process of doing 
> so again for this round.    And that we expect the
> full (hands-off) support 
> of the new Secretariat in doing that, and in
> enabling civil society to 
> again play a key role, in ways that we will inform
> themof in coming months.
> 
> Sean .
> 
> At 01:22 24/02/2004 -0800, you wrote:
> 
> >Bravo Myriem pour cette analyse, on ne peut plus
> >claire, on ne peut plus objective et on ne peut
> plus
> >constructive.
> >Le temps joue contre la société civile qui certains
> >représentant en situation dominante par la langue
> et
> >par leur expérience durant la première phase du
> SMSI
> >se confinent dans leur aveuglement.
> >Il faut que la société civile arabe, africaine et
> du
> >tiers monde puisse démarrer un processus difficile
> >pour faire valoir son point de vue et ne pas
> laisser
> >aux associations du Nord qui plus est angloxaxone
> >s\'exprimer à leur place.
> >Les tunisiens aussi doivent saisir l\'occasion en
> >Tunisie et hors de tunisir de saisir cette
> opportunité
> >extraordinaire pour faire progresser leur situation
> et
> >là tout est ouvert y compris l\'option pour bouder
> le
> >sommet ou susciter un contre sommet, encore
> >faudrait-il rester partie prenante dans
> l\'évolution
> >des choses.
> >Merci de continuer à nous tenir informés sur
> >l\'évolution des choses et des écrits même en russe
> ou
> >en chinois.
> >Amitiés
> >Djilali
> >Sorry Myriem, no comment in English as long as
> English
> >spoken members of this discussion group will
> express
> >only in English. It is time here also to clarify
> the
> >situation.
> >
> >--- Meryem Marzouki <marzouki@ras.eu.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Le lundi, 23 fév 2004, à 07:23 Europe/Paris,
> Veni
> > > Markovski a écrit :
> > >
> > > > Meryem,
> > > > we all know there are problems in Tunisia,.
> but
> > > what do you suggest we
> > > > can do?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Veni, and all,
> > >
> > > First of all, some people who are already far
> more
> > > informed than others asked me to go on posting
> information article
> on
> > > Tunisia like those  I\'ve posted. They find them
> useful.
> >
> > > Secondly, I suggest doing simply nothing as for
> now.
> > > This Tunis meeting is a closed meeting (a non
> closed meeting is a 
> > meeting where anyone can
> > > participate, at the very least those who have
> participated for two
> > > years in the WSIS process, and not a meeting by 
> invitation only.
> > > So, those who are invited and willing to go
> obviously will go, this
> is
> > > their perfect right. But I consider that they
> don\'t represent the
> > > others. Consequently, they don\'t have anything
> to say in the WSIS
> CS
> > > name (let me add that it seems that they don\'t
> have anything to
> say,
> > > anyway). They will just speak for themselves.
> They  will listen to
> what
> > > will be said, and, hopefully, some of them will 
> report to us.
> > > And be sure I would have said exactly the same
> thing  if the meeting
> was
> > > not convened in Tunis.
> > > The fact that WSIS 2nd phase is in Tunis
> shouldn\'t hide the fact
> that
> > > WSIS CS has to sort out its own business. If the
> first PrepCom is
> > > scheduled for this spring, we don\'t have a lot
> of  time remaining to
> do
> > > that. This should be, in my opinion, our first
> and most important
> task.
> > > Regarding the Tunisia issue per se, let\'s have
> the relevant people
> take
> > > care of this as for now and let\'s see what
> happen.
> > >
> > > [Français]
> > > D\'abord, des personnes bien mieux informées que
> > > d\'autres m\'ont demandé
> > > de continuer à poster de tels articles
> d\'information
> > > sur la Tunisie.
> > > Ils les trouvent utiles.
> > > Ensuite, je suggère de ne rien faire pour
> l\'instant.
> > > Cette réunion de
> > > Tunis est une réunion close (une réunion ouverte
> est
> > > une réunion où
> > > chacun peut participer, au moins ceux qui ont
> > > participé au processus du
> > > SMSI depuis deux ans maintenant, et non une
> réunion
> > > réservée à ceux qui
> > > sont invités.
> > > Par suite, ceux qui ont été invités et qui
> > > souhaitent se rendre à cette
> > > réunion iront, évidemment, et c\'est leur droit
> le
> > > plus absolu. Mais je
> > > considère qu\'ils ne représentent qu\'eux-mêmes.
> En
> 
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From ralf.bendrath at sfb597.uni-bremen.de  Tue Feb 24 17:40:54 2004
From: ralf.bendrath at sfb597.uni-bremen.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of) suggestion for Tunis meeting
References: <20040224092254.46767.qmail@web60709.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <403B8CA6.C6B955D8@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>

Djilali,

> Sorry Myriem, no comment in English as long as English
> spoken members of this discussion group will express
> only in English. It is time here also to clarify the
> situation.

This aggressive tone is getting on my nerves. 

What about German speaking participants? 

I am sorry, but I don't speak french. So could you please add German
translation if you don't like to write in English? (Of course you won't,
but just to make the point that there is much more than English and
French out there.)

Can't we just keep it pragmatic and try our best, but accept the fact
that there are many people here who don't speak all languages?

By the way: We have a translation team for important messages.

Ralf

From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 24 18:14:29 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (suite et fin)
In-Reply-To: <403B8CA6.C6B955D8@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
Message-ID: <20040224181429.9746.qmail@web60705.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Ralf for your reply !
I would like the SC able to to keep all her
componients well informed and able to participate to
all phases of the process.
I am sorry but when i plaid for French translation it
is not for my own need but for the need of millions pf
africans who have not the means of German or italian
or spanish to access to translation of messages.
This problem is an important problem and if you think
diffently that is your point of view, i repect, but i
cannot share.
Let's try to find together how to inform South SC
except if you decide that this part of the SC is well
represented by the North part.
All the best
Djilali

Il y en a qui confonde la SC des pays comme
l'allemagne, l'iralie ou l'espagne et celle des pays
africain francophone ou luzophone ou arabe...
J'aimerai bien que certains explique que les enjeux
sont totalement différents et que nous allons
fatalement vers une situation de conflit ou de
démobilisation au sein même de la SC. Pourtant qu'est
ce que cela couterait à la SC française ou allemande
ou européenne de faire ce moindre effort d'aider la SC
du Sud à avoir accès à l'information dans la langue
qu'elle maitrise ?
Amitiés
Djilali 
--- Ralf Bendrath <ralf.bendrath@sfb597.uni-bremen.de>
wrote:
> Djilali,
> 
> > Sorry Myriem, no comment in English as long as
> English
> > spoken members of this discussion group will
> express
> > only in English. It is time here also to clarify
> the
> > situation.
> 
> This aggressive tone is getting on my nerves. 
> 
> What about German speaking participants? 
> 
> I am sorry, but I don't speak french. So could you
> please add German
> translation if you don't like to write in English?
> (Of course you won't,
> but just to make the point that there is much more
> than English and
> French out there.)
> 
> Can't we just keep it pragmatic and try our best,
> but accept the fact
> that there are many people here who don't speak all
> languages?
> 
> By the way: We have a translation team for important
> messages.
> 
> Ralf
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From nne75 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 24 18:23:12 2004
From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Translations
In-Reply-To: <20040224181429.9746.qmail@web60705.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040224182312.71899.qmail@web10903.mail.yahoo.com>

I suggest Djilali joins the translation group and helps to ensure that all messages are translated into French.
 
Best
 
Nnenna


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From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Translations
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Excellent idea, i shall try to do it with pleasure but
let's find the solution how to make such transla
--- Nnenna <nne75@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I suggest Djilali joins the translation group and
> helps to ensure that all messages are translated
> into French.
>  
> Best
>  
> Nnenna
> 
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 24 18:35:39 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Translations
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Excellent idea, i shall try to do it with pleasure. if
i have the competency. But let's find the solution how
to make such translation in French available not for
French speaking in France but in Africa ! That is the
real problem and i am sure that each of us can help to
reach this aim if desirable !

On me demande d'aider à la traduction, si j'ai les
compétences je le ferai avec plaisir mais il ne faut
pas que cela profite aux francophone de France qui
n'ont aucune difficulté à comprendre l'anglais. Le
vrai problème c'est que cela profite aux francophones
d'Afique vivant en Afrique et je suis persuadé que
chacun d'entre nous devrait aider à trouver la
solution a ce problème avant qu'il ne soit trop tard.

--- Nnenna <nne75@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I suggest Djilali joins the translation group and
> helps to ensure that all messages are translated
> into French.
>  
> Best
>  
> Nnenna
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From nne75 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 24 18:51:33 2004
From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Translations
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Djilali,
 
It is not correct to think that people in Africa are absent on this list.  I am in Africa, and so are many of those on the list.  
 
Nnenna


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From amalidesilva at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 24 19:47:54 2004
From: amalidesilva at yahoo.com (Amali De Silva)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: A way forward for the CS structure - a suggestion -  [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of) suggestion for Tunis meeting
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Message-ID: <20040224194754.17653.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Civil Society Members:
 
I suggest that we: 
 
1 ) Identify the issues that we think will be important to Civil Society in Phase 2
 
2) Carry out a SWOT ( strenghs, weaknesses, opportunities, threats ) analysis of our current Civil Society co-ordination structure using a universally available collaboration tool.
 
3 ) We can then conclude as to:
 
                                      a) Leaving the CS structure as it is for the future save us some 
                                          time so that we can address some real issues)
 
                                      b) Changing the structure to a certain extent to reflect new   
                                           priorites ( increase language translation capabilites )
 
                                      c) Throwing the old structure out completely and bring in the 
                                           new ! ( a lot of work !) 
 
I would be pleased to co-ordinate this analysis with others.
 
Amali De Silva - Mitchell MSc.
 
President Vancouver Community Network, Canada
Director Freedom of Information and Privacy Association, Canada
Co-coordinator North American Caucus - WSIS CS


djilali benamrane <dbenamrane@yahoo.com> wrote:
En Français ci-aprés...
Dear All,
Wolfgong is already in the content. It's easy to
declare that we have not to reinvent the wheel... We
are only on how to proceed so we avoid difficulties
lived by many of us, especially those comming from
africa during the Geneva Summit....
Putting such a question i don't feel reinventing the
weel but asking how to identify the best wheel we need
and how to use it better for al, in the North but also
in the South, in English, but also in other languages.
All the best
Djilali
Chers vous tous,
Wolfgong est déjà au niveau du contenu et nous
recommande de nous pas perdre de notre temps à
réinventer la roue !
On peut ne pas être satisfait sur ce qui s'est fait et
poser des questions et apporter des éléments de
réponse sur de quelle roue s'agit-il, comment la
définir ensemble et l'utliliser ensemble que nous
soyons du Nord ou du sud, d'Afrique ou des pays
arabes, parlant ou non l'anglais et si nous répondant
à ces préoccupations peut-être éviterions nous d'être
méprisés à Tunis comme nous l'avons été à genève !
Bien à vous
Djilali
--- wolfgang@imv.au.dk wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> I fully suppoert Seans approach.
> 
> Furthermore, while we need an evaluation and
> re-definition of our priorities und strategies for
> WSIS Phase II, we should base our plans and actions
> and what we have achieved in WSIS Phase I. There is
> always a risk to reinvent the wheel. It makes sense
> to read the CS Declaration again and again. It makes
> also sense, to single out a limited number of
> concrete (key) proposals, formulated in the CS
> declaration, and to repeat this as well again and
> again. We need both innovation and consistency.
> 
> Best
> 
> wolfgang
> 
> -- Original Nachricht--
> Von: Sean O Siochru 
> An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Senden: 12:19 PM
> Betreff: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of)
> suggestion for Tunis meeting
> 
> Djilali et amis
> 
> Je suis d\'accord aussi avec Meryem sur les
> questions de la reunion a Tunis, 
> la representation de la societe civile, et les
> priorite pour le moment. 
> (Sorry Djilali - just token effort)
> 
> Civil Society, and all its components (CS Plenary,
> C&T Group, Working 
> groups, Bureau) must have an open and frank
> discussion about the future, 
> and sort itself out before the first \'official\'
> meeting, which is the 
> PrepCom. The upcoming Bureau meeting and the Tunis
> meeting have no mandate 
> to take any decisions or make any statement on
> behalf of civil 
> society. But of course, individual civil society
> members who agree with 
> this can play an important role in making known, in
> Tunis, the huge effort 
> that has gone into civil society in terms of
> organising, the major role we 
> played leading up to and at Geneva, and that we are
> in the process of doing 
> so again for this round. And that we expect the
> full (hands-off) support 
> of the new Secretariat in doing that, and in
> enabling civil society to 
> again play a key role, in ways that we will inform
> themof in coming months.
> 
> Sean .
> 
> At 01:22 24/02/2004 -0800, you wrote:
> 
> >Bravo Myriem pour cette analyse, on ne peut plus
> >claire, on ne peut plus objective et on ne peut
> plus
> >constructive.
> >Le temps joue contre la société civile qui certains
> >représentant en situation dominante par la langue
> et
> >par leur expérience durant la première phase du
> SMSI
> >se confinent dans leur aveuglement.
> >Il faut que la société civile arabe, africaine et
> du
> >tiers monde puisse démarrer un processus difficile
> >pour faire valoir son point de vue et ne pas
> laisser
> >aux associations du Nord qui plus est angloxaxone
> >s\'exprimer à leur place.
> >Les tunisiens aussi doivent saisir l\'occasion en
> >Tunisie et hors de tunisir de saisir cette
> opportunité
> >extraordinaire pour faire progresser leur situation
> et
> >là tout est ouvert y compris l\'option pour bouder
> le
> >sommet ou susciter un contre sommet, encore
> >faudrait-il rester partie prenante dans
> l\'évolution
> >des choses.
> >Merci de continuer à nous tenir informés sur
> >l\'évolution des choses et des écrits même en russe
> ou
> >en chinois.
> >Amitiés
> >Djilali
> >Sorry Myriem, no comment in English as long as
> English
> >spoken members of this discussion group will
> express
> >only in English. It is time here also to clarify
> the
> >situation.
> >
> >--- Meryem Marzouki 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Le lundi, 23 fév 2004, à 07:23 Europe/Paris,
> Veni
> > > Markovski a écrit :
> > >
> > > > Meryem,
> > > > we all know there are problems in Tunisia,.
> but
> > > what do you suggest we
> > > > can do?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Veni, and all,
> > >
> > > First of all, some people who are already far
> more
> > > informed than others asked me to go on posting
> information article
> on
> > > Tunisia like those I\'ve posted. They find them
> useful.
> >
> > > Secondly, I suggest doing simply nothing as for
> now.
> > > This Tunis meeting is a closed meeting (a non
> closed meeting is a 
> > meeting where anyone can
> > > participate, at the very least those who have
> participated for two
> > > years in the WSIS process, and not a meeting by 
> invitation only.
> > > So, those who are invited and willing to go
> obviously will go, this
> is
> > > their perfect right. But I consider that they
> don\'t represent the
> > > others. Consequently, they don\'t have anything
> to say in the WSIS
> CS
> > > name (let me add that it seems that they don\'t
> have anything to
> say,
> > > anyway). They will just speak for themselves.
> They will listen to
> what
> > > will be said, and, hopefully, some of them will 
> report to us.
> > > And be sure I would have said exactly the same
> thing if the meeting
> was
> > > not convened in Tunis.
> > > The fact that WSIS 2nd phase is in Tunis
> shouldn\'t hide the fact
> that
> > > WSIS CS has to sort out its own business. If the
> first PrepCom is
> > > scheduled for this spring, we don\'t have a lot
> of time remaining to
> do
> > > that. This should be, in my opinion, our first
> and most important
> task.
> > > Regarding the Tunisia issue per se, let\'s have
> the relevant people
> take
> > > care of this as for now and let\'s see what
> happen.
> > >
> > > [Français]
> > > D\'abord, des personnes bien mieux informées que
> > > d\'autres m\'ont demandé
> > > de continuer à poster de tels articles
> d\'information
> > > sur la Tunisie.
> > > Ils les trouvent utiles.
> > > Ensuite, je suggère de ne rien faire pour
> l\'instant.
> > > Cette réunion de
> > > Tunis est une réunion close (une réunion ouverte
> est
> > > une réunion où
> > > chacun peut participer, au moins ceux qui ont
> > > participé au processus du
> > > SMSI depuis deux ans maintenant, et non une
> réunion
> > > réservée à ceux qui
> > > sont invités.
> > > Par suite, ceux qui ont été invités et qui
> > > souhaitent se rendre à cette
> > > réunion iront, évidemment, et c\'est leur droit
> le
> > > plus absolu. Mais je
> > > considère qu\'ils ne représentent qu\'eux-mêmes.
> En
> 
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From: amalidesilva at yahoo.com (Amali De Silva)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: A way forward for the CS structure - a suggestion -  [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of) suggestion for Tunis meeting
Message-ID: <20040224195548.48086.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>




Dear Civil Society Members:
 
I suggest that we: 
 
1 ) Identify the issues that we think will be important to Civil Society in Phase 2
 
2) Carry out a SWOT ( strenghs, weaknesses, opportunities, threats ) analysis of our current Civil Society co-ordination structure using a universally available collaboration tool.
 
3 ) We can then conclude as to:
 
                                      a) Leaving the CS structure as it is for the future    
                                          (save us some time so that we can address some 
                                           real issues)
 
                                      b) Changing the structure to a certain extent to reflect 
                                          new  priorites ( increase language translation 
                                          capabilites )
 
                                      c) Throwing the old structure out completely and 
                                           bring  in the new ! ( a lot of work !) 
 
I would be pleased to co-ordinate this analysis with others.
 
Amali De Silva - Mitchell MSc.
 
President Vancouver Community Network, Canada
Director Freedom of Information and Privacy Association, Canada
Co-coordinator North American Caucus - WSIS CS


djilali benamrane <dbenamrane@yahoo.com> wrote:
En Français ci-aprés...
Dear All,
Wolfgong is already in the content. It's easy to
declare that we have not to reinvent the wheel... We
are only on how to proceed so we avoid difficulties
lived by many of us, especially those comming from
africa during the Geneva Summit....
Putting such a question i don't feel reinventing the
weel but asking how to identify the best wheel we need
and how to use it better for al, in the North but also
in the South, in English, but also in other languages.
All the best
Djilali
Chers vous tous,
Wolfgong est déjà au niveau du contenu et nous
recommande de nous pas perdre de notre temps à
réinventer la roue !
On peut ne pas être satisfait sur ce qui s'est fait et
poser des questions et apporter des éléments de
réponse sur de quelle roue s'agit-il, comment la
définir ensemble et l'utliliser ensemble que nous
soyons du Nord ou du sud, d'Afrique ou des pays
arabes, parlant ou non l'anglais et si nous répondant
à ces préoccupations peut-être éviterions nous d'être
méprisés à Tunis comme nous l'avons été à genève !
Bien à vous
Djilali
--- wolfgang@imv.au.dk wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> I fully suppoert Seans approach.
> 
> Furthermore, while we need an evaluation and
> re-definition of our priorities und strategies for
> WSIS Phase II, we should base our plans and actions
> and what we have achieved in WSIS Phase I. There is
> always a risk to reinvent the wheel. It makes sense
> to read the CS Declaration again and again. It makes
> also sense, to single out a limited number of
> concrete (key) proposals, formulated in the CS
> declaration, and to repeat this as well again and
> again. We need both innovation and consistency.
> 
> Best
> 
> wolfgang
> 
> -- Original Nachricht--
> Von: Sean O Siochru 
> An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Senden: 12:19 PM
> Betreff: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of)
> suggestion for Tunis meeting
> 
> Djilali et amis
> 
> Je suis d\'accord aussi avec Meryem sur les
> questions de la reunion a Tunis, 
> la representation de la societe civile, et les
> priorite pour le moment. 
> (Sorry Djilali - just token effort)
> 
> Civil Society, and all its components (CS Plenary,
> C&T Group, Working 
> groups, Bureau) must have an open and frank
> discussion about the future, 
> and sort itself out before the first \'official\'
> meeting, which is the 
> PrepCom. The upcoming Bureau meeting and the Tunis
> meeting have no mandate 
> to take any decisions or make any statement on
> behalf of civil 
> society. But of cours e, individual civil society
> members who agree with 
> this can play an important role in making known, in
> Tunis, the huge effort 
> that has gone into civil society in terms of
> organising, the major role we 
> played leading up to and at Geneva, and that we are
> in the process of doing 
> so again for this round. And that we expect the
> full (hands-off) support 
> of the new Secretariat in doing that, and in
> enabling civil society to 
> again play a key role, in ways that we will inform
> themof in coming months.
> 
> Sean .
> cut 
> 



Amali De Silva-Mitchell MSc.

Tel: 1-604-736-9012 & Email: amalidesilva@yahoo.com

 

 

 





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From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Tue Feb 24 20:51:45 2004
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Fullsack Jean-Louis)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of) suggestion for Tunis meeting
References: <E1AvbTg-0007Ef-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>
Message-ID: <00de01c3fb18$06d030c0$0a00000a@default>

Fran?ais en-dessous (sans accentuation)

Sorry Wolfgang to not fully agree with your opinion. OK, we need
consistency. I wonder if we really need innovation (what the hell does this
word encompass ?). But what we do need is to be concrete !
It's no good my "reading and reading again" our declaration, it still shows
more rhetoric than reality, not to mention concrete actions to address it.
Especially in so called DCs. And people -both insiders and outsiders of the
WSIS process- need to see realities and some emblematic objectives realized
in the framework of this process (i.e. until 2005). So let's set ourselves
these objectives as soon as possible and declare them as our conditions to
pursue our participation and to really play a key role as Sean highlighted
in his message.
As for me, giving access to the (tele)communication network for each village
in DCs by the year 2005 (i.e. at the end of the WSIS process) and setting up
an "Intra-African telecommunication network crash programme" by the same due
date, are  two clear and understandable objectives among others (from other
domains) to be set as CS's highest priorities.
Friendly yours
Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT

Desole Wolfgang de ne pas approuver completement ton point de vue. D'accord,
nous avons besoin de coherence. Je me demande si nous avons reellement
besoin d'innovation (que diable contient ce terme?). Mais ce dont nous avons
vraiment besoin c'est d'etre concret(s).
J'ai beau "lire et relire"notre Declaration, elle montre plus de rhetorique
que de realite, sans parler d'actions concretes pour y repondre. En
particulier pour les soi-disant Pays en Developpement. Et les gens -a
l'exterieur comme a l'interieur du processus du SMSI- ont besoin de voir des
objectifs emblematiques realises dans le cadre de ce processus, c'est-a-dire
d'ici a 2005. Etablissons donc nous-memes ces objectifs aussi vite que
possible et declarons-les comme nos conditions pour poursuivre notre
participation et vraiment jouer notre role-cle comme l'a souligne Sean dans
son message.
Pour ce qui me concerne, fournir un acces au reseau de (tele)communication a
chaque village des PeD d'ici a l'an 2005 (c'est-a-dire la fin du processus
du SMSI) et elaborer un "Programme d'urgence pour un resau de
telecommunications intra-africain" d'ici la meme date, sont deux objectifs
clairs et comprehensibles parmi d'autres (provenant d'autres domaines) a
afficher comme des priorites absolues de la SC.
Amicalement
Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT

In deutsch fur Wolfgang : in Goethe's Sprache ware mir das Ganze viel
einfacher ... Freundliche Grusse !


----- Original Message -----
From: <wolfgang@imv.au.dk>
To: "Sean O Siochru" <sean@nexus.ie>; <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 1:15 PM
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of) suggestion for Tunis meeting


> Dear all,
>
> I fully suppoert Seans approach.
>
> Furthermore, while we need an evaluation and re-definition of our
priorities und strategies for WSIS Phase II, we should base our plans and
actions and what we have achieved in WSIS Phase I. There is always a risk to
reinvent the wheel. It makes sense to read the CS Declaration again and
again. It makes also sense, to single out a limited number of concrete (key)
proposals, formulated in the CS declaration, and to repeat this as well
again and again. We need both innovation and consistency.
>
> Best
>
> wolfgang
>
> -- Original Nachricht--
> Von: Sean O Siochru <sean@nexus.ie>
> An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Senden: 12:19 PM
> Betreff: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of) suggestion for Tunis meeting
>
> Djilali et amis
>
> Je suis d\'accord aussi avec Meryem sur les questions de la reunion a
Tunis,
> la representation de la societe civile, et les priorite pour le moment.
> (Sorry Djilali - just token effort)
>
> Civil Society, and all its components (CS Plenary, C&T Group, Working
> groups, Bureau) must have an open and frank discussion about the future,
> and sort itself out before the first \'official\' meeting, which is the
> PrepCom.  The upcoming Bureau meeting and the Tunis meeting have no
mandate
> to take any decisions or make any statement on behalf of civil
> society.  But of course, individual civil society members who agree with
> this can play an important role in making known, in Tunis, the huge effort
> that has gone into civil society in terms of organising, the major role we
> played leading up to and at Geneva, and that we are in the process of
doing
> so again for this round.    And that we expect the full (hands-off)
support
> of the new Secretariat in doing that, and in enabling civil society to
> again play a key role, in ways that we will inform themof in coming
months.
>
> Sean .
>
> At 01:22 24/02/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >Bravo Myriem pour cette analyse, on ne peut plus
> >claire, on ne peut plus objective et on ne peut plus
> >constructive.
> >Le temps joue contre la soci?t? civile qui certains
> >repr?sentant en situation dominante par la langue et
> >par leur exp?rience durant la premi?re phase du SMSI
> >se confinent dans leur aveuglement.
> >Il faut que la soci?t? civile arabe, africaine et du
> >tiers monde puisse d?marrer un processus difficile
> >pour faire valoir son point de vue et ne pas laisser
> >aux associations du Nord qui plus est angloxaxone
> >s\'exprimer ? leur place.
> >Les tunisiens aussi doivent saisir l\'occasion en
> >Tunisie et hors de tunisir de saisir cette opportunit?
> >extraordinaire pour faire progresser leur situation et
> >l? tout est ouvert y compris l\'option pour bouder le
> >sommet ou susciter un contre sommet, encore
> >faudrait-il rester partie prenante dans l\'?volution
> >des choses.
> >Merci de continuer ? nous tenir inform?s sur
> >l\'?volution des choses et des ?crits m?me en russe ou
> >en chinois.
> >Amiti?s
> >Djilali
> >Sorry Myriem, no comment in English as long as English
> >spoken members of this discussion group will express
> >only in English. It is time here also to clarify the
> >situation.
> >
> >--- Meryem Marzouki <marzouki@ras.eu.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Le lundi, 23 f?v 2004, ? 07:23 Europe/Paris, Veni
> > > Markovski a ?crit :
> > >
> > > > Meryem,
> > > > we all know there are problems in Tunisia,. but
> > > what do you suggest we
> > > > can do?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Veni, and all,
> > >
> > > First of all, some people who are already far more
> > > informed than others asked me to go on posting information article
> on
> > > Tunisia like those  I\'ve posted. They find them useful.
> >
> > > Secondly, I suggest doing simply nothing as for now.
> > > This Tunis meeting is a closed meeting (a non closed meeting is a
> > meeting where anyone can
> > > participate, at the very least those who have participated for two
> > > years in the WSIS process, and not a meeting by  invitation only.
> > > So, those who are invited and willing to go obviously will go, this
> is
> > > their perfect right. But I consider that they don\'t represent the
> > > others. Consequently, they don\'t have anything to say in the WSIS
> CS
> > > name (let me add that it seems that they don\'t have anything to
> say,
> > > anyway). They will just speak for themselves. They  will listen to
> what
> > > will be said, and, hopefully, some of them will  report to us.
> > > And be sure I would have said exactly the same thing  if the meeting
> was
> > > not convened in Tunis.
> > > The fact that WSIS 2nd phase is in Tunis shouldn\'t hide the fact
> that
> > > WSIS CS has to sort out its own business. If the first PrepCom is
> > > scheduled for this spring, we don\'t have a lot of  time remaining to
> do
> > > that. This should be, in my opinion, our first and most important
> task.
> > > Regarding the Tunisia issue per se, let\'s have the relevant people
> take
> > > care of this as for now and let\'s see what happen.
> > >
> > > [Fran?ais]
> > > D\'abord, des personnes bien mieux inform?es que
> > > d\'autres m\'ont demand?
> > > de continuer ? poster de tels articles d\'information
> > > sur la Tunisie.
> > > Ils les trouvent utiles.
> > > Ensuite, je sugg?re de ne rien faire pour l\'instant.
> > > Cette r?union de
> > > Tunis est une r?union close (une r?union ouverte est
> > > une r?union o?
> > > chacun peut participer, au moins ceux qui ont
> > > particip? au processus du
> > > SMSI depuis deux ans maintenant, et non une r?union
> > > r?serv?e ? ceux qui
> > > sont invit?s.
> > > Par suite, ceux qui ont ?t? invit?s et qui
> > > souhaitent se rendre ? cette
> > > r?union iront, ?videmment, et c\'est leur droit le
> > > plus absolu. Mais je
> > > consid?re qu\'ils ne repr?sentent qu\'eux-m?mes. En
> > > cons?quence, ils n\'ont rien ? dire au nom de la SC du SMSI (ils
> > > semble d\'ailleurs qu\'ils n\'aient rien ? dire de toutes fa?ons). Ils
>
> > parleront
> > > simplement en leur  nom. Ils ?couteront ce qui sera dit et,
> esp?rons-le,
> > > certains d\'entre eux viendront nous en rendre compte.
> > > Je tiens ? vous assurer que j\'aurais dit exactement
> > > la m?me chose si
> > > cette r?union n\'?tait pas pr?vue ? Tunis.
> > > Le fait que la seconde phase du SMSI est pr?vue ?
> > > Tunis ne doit pas
> > > cacher le fait que la SC du SMSI doit mettre de
> > > l\'ordre dans ses
> > > propres affaires. Si la premi?re PrepCom est
> > > programm?e pour ce
> > > printemps, nous n\'avons pas beaoucoup de temps pour
> > > ce faire. Ce
> > > devrait ?tre, ? mon sens, notre premi?re t?che et la
> > > plus importante.
> > > Pour ce qui concerne la question particuli?re de la
> > > Tunisie, laissons
> > > faire pour l\'instant les personnes les plus ? m?me
> > > d\'y r?fl?chir et
> > > voyons ce qu\'il en advient.
> > >
> > > Meryem
> > > _______________________________________________
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From schock at riseup.net  Wed Feb 25 05:04:03 2004
From: schock at riseup.net (Sasha Costanza-Chock)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:30 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] RITS endorsement
Message-ID: <403C2CC3.9010703@riseup.net>

Please add RITS to the list of endorsers, as per Paolo Lima's request 
below. Thank you,

sasha costanza-chock

>Paulo Henrique Lima wrote:
>
>>Hi Sasha,
>>please add Rede de Informa??es para o Terceiro Setor - Rits,
>>tks
>>
>>------------------------------------------
>>Paulo Lima
>>plima@rits.org.br
>>Diretor Executivo
>>Rits - Rede de Informa??es para o Terceiro Setor
>>_http://www.rits.org.br
>><http://www.rits.org.br/>_Rua Guilhermina Guinle 272/6*?* andar
>>22270-060 Rio de Janeiro RJ Brasil
>>tel +55-21-2527-5460
>>


From aidan.white at ifj.org  Wed Feb 25 07:23:52 2004
From: aidan.white at ifj.org (Aidan White)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at WSIS/ITUinformal planning
In-Reply-To: <BC5F68AA.3C5E%t.naughton@iafrica.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c3fb70$5467bee0$6705a8c0@aidan>

The situation in Tunisia is very serious and we are engaging with colleagues
on the ground, particularly with the leadership of the Association of
Tunisian Journalists. We have made statements in the past and will continue
to do so, but it might be more useful at the moment to see how the WSIS
process can be used to weaken Ben Ali's grip on media. That means pressing
for free expression issues to be at the heart of discussions.

Aidan White

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of Tracey Naughton
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:22 AM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: Re: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at
WSIS/ITUinformal planning


Hello

Since freedom of expression is so compromised in Tunisia I am of the view
that the Media Caucus should make a statement on its approach to this. A
number of our colleagues are languishing in gaol there. Many others are not
free to practice independent journalism. You will recall the allegations
that Tunisian people confiscated the WSIS newspaper in Geneva because it
reported on such matters.

There are obviously several approaches that we could take to the process, in
terms of dealing with media reality.

The matter is up for discussion on our e-list and I will get back to the
Plenary with the result.

Regards

Tracey Naughton
Chair, Media caucus


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From karenb at gn.apc.org  Wed Feb 25 07:55:13 2004
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Translations
In-Reply-To: <20040224183539.42286.qmail@web60702.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040224182312.71899.qmail@web10903.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040225074427.01244fe8@pop.gn.apc.org>

** dear translation team - i wonder if any of you would be able to 
translate this message into spanish and french **

Dear Djilali,

I liaised between plenary and the CT lists with the voluntary translation 
team during WSIS phase I.  I will add your name to the list 
(translation@wsis-cs.org).

I would like you to know, that we did map out a process for translation 
last year, we worked very hard to make it work, and managed quite well, 
provided we set realistic objectives.

Whilst we have not given up on the principle that resources should be made 
available for translation, the reality is - that they will not be made 
available. Therefore, we rely on our own good collective will to make this 
happen ourselves.

For this process to work, we need

- a broadly agreed translation policy: It is not simple. We cannot 
translate everything, it is unrealistic.

- discipline, committment and a large will to cooperate from *everyone* who 
posts to the list(s)

- understanding that translation is limited to the languages of the 
volunteers - primarily french and spanish

As a first step, I will repost the broad policy we have used in WSIS I, and 
we could all agree to abide by it or adapt/modify it.

As a second step, i can write to the translation team, asking them about 
their current availability and interest.

And we take it from there..

I don't speak french or spanish, but if someone would be kind enough to 
translate this, i would be grateful. (I am ccing the translation team)

regards
karen


From karenb at gn.apc.org  Wed Feb 25 08:03:27 2004
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Translations
In-Reply-To: <20040224185133.39979.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040224183539.42286.qmail@web60702.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040225075839.01240780@pop.gn.apc.org>

Dear Djilali,

You may wish to look at the list of members on plenary - and review the 
various caucuses and spaces where Civil Society Groups meet.

As nnenna highlights, there are many people active in WSIS (African but 
also, Asian, Latin American, European, North American) who may not be 
active in discussions of the past 4 weeks.

I'm not sure if you're aware of the WSIS Civil society site? If not, it's 
quite useful as a resource linking to most of the active CS spaces.

http://www.wsis-cs.org/

members of all lists can be viewed here - and can be accessed if you can 
recall your username and pwd for the lists.

http://www.wsis-cs.org/caucuses.html

karen

At 10:51 24/02/2004 -0800, Nnenna wrote:
>Djilali,
>
>It is not correct to think that people in Africa are absent on this 
>list.  I am in Africa, and so are many of those on the list.
>
>Nnenna



From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 25 08:56:17 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Translations
In-Reply-To: <20040224185133.39979.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040225085617.22084.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear, tahnk you for this reply. I appreciate it. Can
tell us more on what and with whom are you doing
things in Africa... It is only to try to develop
connexions and synergy i suppose that in East and
South Africa where english spoken people they are more
involved than in Ouest and Central Africa...
Can we know more on those on this list who act in
Africa and how to set up neworkings in two or three
languages (English french protuguese and why not
spanish and arabic) before the Summit...
Thanks 
Djilali
--- Nnenna <nne75@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Djilali,
>  
> It is not correct to think that people in Africa are
> absent on this list.  I am in Africa, and so are
> many of those on the list.  
>  
> Nnenna
> 
> 
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 25 09:05:02 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Translations
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040225074427.01244fe8@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <20040225090502.35592.qmail@web60708.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Karen,
Wonderfull,
I am totaly satisfied by your contribution and hope
that we can make it work.
I hope also que doing such effort our friends no
english speaking will be fully involved by the
discussions and the preparation of the Summit 
I only hope that my useless messages will be a little
unsefull...
Many thanks and apoligizes
Djilali 
Je remercie Karen pour ces pistes porteuses pour une
traduction en Français et en Espagnol des messages...
Je la remercie et m'xcuses platement aupres de nos
collegues pour ces dizaines de messages peut être
inutile qui ont encombré nos discussions ces jours ci
... reste à voir si cela, va réveiller nos amis
francophones et espanophones pour qu'ils s'impliqient
davantage dans la préparation du sommet
Djilali
--- karen banks <karenb@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> ** dear translation team - i wonder if any of you
> would be able to 
> translate this message into spanish and french **
> 
> Dear Djilali,
> 
> I liaised between plenary and the CT lists with the
> voluntary translation 
> team during WSIS phase I.  I will add your name to
> the list 
> (translation@wsis-cs.org).
> 
> I would like you to know, that we did map out a
> process for translation 
> last year, we worked very hard to make it work, and
> managed quite well, 
> provided we set realistic objectives.
> 
> Whilst we have not given up on the principle that
> resources should be made 
> available for translation, the reality is - that
> they will not be made 
> available. Therefore, we rely on our own good
> collective will to make this 
> happen ourselves.
> 
> For this process to work, we need
> 
> - a broadly agreed translation policy: It is not
> simple. We cannot 
> translate everything, it is unrealistic.
> 
> - discipline, committment and a large will to
> cooperate from *everyone* who 
> posts to the list(s)
> 
> - understanding that translation is limited to the
> languages of the 
> volunteers - primarily french and spanish
> 
> As a first step, I will repost the broad policy we
> have used in WSIS I, and 
> we could all agree to abide by it or adapt/modify
> it.
> 
> As a second step, i can write to the translation
> team, asking them about 
> their current availability and interest.
> 
> And we take it from there..
> 
> I don't speak french or spanish, but if someone
> would be kind enough to 
> translate this, i would be grateful. (I am ccing the
> translation team)
> 
> regards
> karen
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From albert.koellner at vibe.at  Wed Feb 25 09:15:35 2004
From: albert.koellner at vibe.at (Albert Koellner)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Translations
In-Reply-To: <20040225085617.22084.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040224185133.39979.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040225091538.76F4D14B655@mail.gn.apc.org>

On 25 Feb 2004 at 0:56, djilali benamrane wrote:
[...]
> Can we know more on those on this list who act in
> Africa and how to set up neworkings in two or three
> languages (English french protuguese and why not
> spanish and arabic) before the Summit...

Djilali,

Karen already mentioned the WSIS Civil society web site, where you will find 
an overview of the various caucuses and working groups:
http://www.wsis-cs.org/caucuses.html
One of them is the Regional Caucus for Africa, I suppose this is the best 
place for you to look:
http://www.wsis-cs.org/africa/

Salut,
Albert (sorry, only in English, since I suppose it wouldn't be too useful if 
I wrote in German here ;) 


From alice at apc.org  Wed Feb 25 09:23:20 2004
From: alice at apc.org (alice@apc.org)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Translations
References: <20040224185133.39979.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com> <20040225091538.76F4D14B655@mail.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <02bd01c3fb81$0a055360$a200a8c0@AliceViaio>

There is also a African caucus discussion list. Currently struggling to deal
with the same translation issues

African Information Society Initiative - Discussion Forum
<aisi-l@lyris.bellanet.org>

alice

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Albert Koellner" <albert.koellner@vibe.at>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Translations


> On 25 Feb 2004 at 0:56, djilali benamrane wrote:
> [...]
> > Can we know more on those on this list who act in
> > Africa and how to set up neworkings in two or three
> > languages (English french protuguese and why not
> > spanish and arabic) before the Summit...
>
> Djilali,
>
> Karen already mentioned the WSIS Civil society web site, where you will
find
> an overview of the various caucuses and working groups:
> http://www.wsis-cs.org/caucuses.html
> One of them is the Regional Caucus for Africa, I suppose this is the best
> place for you to look:
> http://www.wsis-cs.org/africa/
>
> Salut,
> Albert (sorry, only in English, since I suppose it wouldn't be too useful
if
> I wrote in German here ;)
>
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From edgard.mandrault at inet.ga  Wed Feb 25 14:06:44 2004
From: edgard.mandrault at inet.ga (Edgard Mandrault)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Rencontre informelle sur le Smsi ; Montreal
 Wsis-Smsi meeting
Message-ID: <2ac152b3af.2b3af2ac15@inet.ga>

Bonjour, 

Comment concr?tement peut-on faire pour prendre part ? cette rencontre informelle de la SC. Quelle est la place des africains dans cette rencontre? et les sujets abord?s?
D'avance, merci de vos informations.

M. Edgard MANDRAULT
Secr?taire G?n?ral de la Mairie du 1er    Arrondissement 
Commune de Port-Gentil

BP 568 Port-Gentil (R?publique Gabonaise)
Mobile: +241 24.76.38

Secretaire Gen?ral de l'Association Gabonaise des utilisateurs des Logiciels Libres et Linux (AG3L)
membre fondateur ISOC-GABON

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      edgard.mandrault@ag3l.ga


---- Messages d?origine ----
De: DUHAMIC-ADRI <duhamic@rwanda1.com>
Date: lundi, f?vrier 16, 2004 2:13 pm
Objet: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Rencontre informelle sur le Smsi ; Montreal Wsis-Smsi meeting

> Merci de ce message 
> 
> Benineza Innocent
> DUHAMIC ADRI
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Liss Jeffrey 
>  To: plenary@wsis-cs.org 
>  Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 4:31 PM
>  Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Rencontre informelle sur le Smsi ; 
> Montreal Wsis-Smsi meeting
> 
> 
> 
>  Rencontre informelle sur le Smsi 
>  Location:St-Denis, Contactez tliacas@ecommons.net 
>  19 f?v., 18-20h. 
>  St-Denis, Montr?al 
> 
>  Une rencontre informelle sur le SMSI, les comptes rendus de 
> Gen?ve et les prochaines ?tapes necessaires en se pr?parant pour 
> Tunis... Venez partager vos impressions sur le proc?s, ?couter les 
> comptes rendus et discuter le plan d'attaque. Des renseignements 
> sur les pr?sentateurs seront affich?s ici bient?t. Liss Jeffrey, 
> eCommons/agora; Marcelo Solervicens, Secr?taire g?n?ral, AMARC. 
> Contactez tliacas@ecommons.net ou ljeffrey@ecommons.net pour les 
> d?tails. Vous ?tes tous bienvenus. (Un grand merci a notre 
> coll?gue Claude-Yves Charron de l'Orbicom, membre de la d?l?gation 
> candienne de la societ? civile pour co-animer cette rencontre avec 
> nous).  http://smsi.agora-electronique.ca
> 
>  Montreal Wsis-Smsi meeting 
>  Location:St-Denis, Contact tliacas@ecommons.net 
>  Feb. 19, 6 - 8 PM Informal meeting - on WSIS - SMSI - co hosted 
> with CS rep to Geneva Professor Claude Yves Charron - Results from 
> Geneva? Where is the process going now in Phase 2 to Tunis? Where 
> do we want this to go? What are we doing to get there, what should 
> we be doing? Come and share information, hear first hand reports, 
> discuss next steps. Information on speakers will be updated here. 
> Co-hosted by Professor Claude Yves Charron, Orbicom and vice-
> rector, UQUAM, CS member Canadian delegation to WSIS-SMSI, Dr Liss 
> Jeffrey, director eCommons-agora, McLuhan global research network, 
> CS member Canadian delegation WSIS - SMSI, Marcelo Solervicens, 
> Secr?taire g?n?ral, AMARC. 
>  http://wsis.ecommons.ca
> 
> 
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 25 16:53:45 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at WSIS/ITUinformal planning
In-Reply-To: <004c01c3fb70$5467bee0$6705a8c0@aidan>
Message-ID: <20040225165345.75665.qmail@web60708.mail.yahoo.com>

It seems that it is not the best approach to proceed
as we are doing. Every one think that he or she is the
representative of SC to enhance a debate with Tunisian
CS everywhere and anytime et on any subject... At the
end we shall lsot a vision on what we want to do....
It is time to have a minima option of the CS regarding
the Tunis Summit before caucus and regional SC
meetings develop discussions with our Tunisian
parteners in and out Tunisia.
....
Si tout un chacun développe des discussions avec nos
partenaires tunisiens on risque d'aller dans tous les
sens sans vision commune élémentaire...
Nous devrions convenir d'un minimum de consensus
global avant de lance des discussions tous azimuths
avec nos partenaires tunisiens à l'intérieur et à
l'extérieur de la Tunisie.
Je ne crois pas en la priorité donnée aux journalistes
au détriment des femmes, des jeunes, des vieux, des
chômeurs ou des handicapés ou de l'élite et des
entrepreneurs.
Ayons une vision minimale et une statégie concertée,
on défendra mieux nos intérêts
Djilali 
--- Aidan White <aidan.white@ifj.org> wrote:
> The situation in Tunisia is very serious and we are
> engaging with colleagues
> on the ground, particularly with the leadership of
> the Association of
> Tunisian Journalists. We have made statements in the
> past and will continue
> to do so, but it might be more useful at the moment
> to see how the WSIS
> process can be used to weaken Ben Ali's grip on
> media. That means pressing
> for free expression issues to be at the heart of
> discussions.
> 
> Aidan White
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org
> [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> Behalf Of Tracey Naughton
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:22 AM
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Subject: Re: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement -
> To be read at
> WSIS/ITUinformal planning
> 
> 
> Hello
> 
> Since freedom of expression is so compromised in
> Tunisia I am of the view
> that the Media Caucus should make a statement on its
> approach to this. A
> number of our colleagues are languishing in gaol
> there. Many others are not
> free to practice independent journalism. You will
> recall the allegations
> that Tunisian people confiscated the WSIS newspaper
> in Geneva because it
> reported on such matters.
> 
> There are obviously several approaches that we could
> take to the process, in
> terms of dealing with media reality.
> 
> The matter is up for discussion on our e-list and I
> will get back to the
> Plenary with the result.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Tracey Naughton
> Chair, Media caucus
> 
> 
> Nyaka - Communication & Development
> Tracey Naughton
> Consultant
> 201 Somerset Hall
> 239 Oxford Road
> Illovo  2196
> South Africa
> 
> Phone/fax:    +27 (0) 11 880 5030
> cell:               +27 (0) 82 821 1771
> Email:              t.naughton@iafrica.com
> 
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From rguerra at cpsr.org  Wed Feb 25 17:25:55 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Tunisia meeting & better defining ourselves..
Message-ID: <2147483647.1077711955@[192.168.0.55]>

I do remind everyone the following i mentioned a few days ago.. that the 
informal meeting in Tunis is NEXT week. Consequently,


* it would be a good idea to have those that are attending relay a 
message from the plenary and/or CT group. what that message is, well - 
that i'll leave to discussion.


* as mentioned by mereym and others, we need to come up with a consensus 
on where we stand in regards to the CSB.


we must recognize the fact that certain governments and the summit 
organizers might be seeing the CSB, and those who are listed as it's 
members as empowered to give ideas and/or represent civil society in 
some capacity.

One of the shortcoming of the CSB since it was setup at PC2 is that 
there are few, if any authoritative documents which clearly establish 
the CSB rules of procedure, conduct of it's representatives and what 
actions it is empowered (and not) it can engage in.

I would put it to the plenary that this is something that needs 
immediate attention. Might it be too much to ask to create a 
subcommittee where lawyers, drafters,governance experts and others in 
Civil Society could start collaborating to create a set of guidelines 
for the CSB, and perhaps other structures which we have created.

We can discuss what's wrong, which is fine - but let's do something 
about. would that not be better?


regards

Robert

From amalidesilva at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 25 17:49:01 2004
From: amalidesilva at yahoo.com (Amali De Silva)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Tunisia meeting & better defining ourselves..
In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1077711955@[192.168.0.55]>
Message-ID: <20040225174901.21988.qmail@web21321.mail.yahoo.com>

I think it is best to stick to some simple but basic "musts / wants " at this stage.
 
1. Inclusivity of CS members in all relevant consultations / opportunity for CS to speak
2. Access to information and meetings
3. Ensure ( no charge ) on-line access at all meetings and conferences for CS
4. Physical meeting space at meetings and conferences plus translation facilities
5. Reasonable budget for WSIS-CS authorised print materials / documents
6. Opportunity for holding press conferences as in Geneva
 
Amali De Silva - Mitchell 


Robert Guerra <rguerra@cpsr.org> wrote:
I do remind everyone the following i mentioned a few days ago.. that the 
informal meeting in Tunis is NEXT week. Consequently,


* it would be a good idea to have those that are attending relay a 
message from the plenary and/or CT group. what that message is, well - 
that i'll leave to discussion.


* as mentioned by mereym and others, we need to come up with a consensus 
on where we stand in regards to the CSB.


we must recognize the fact that certain governments and the summit 
organizers might be seeing the CSB, and those who are listed as it's 
members as empowered to give ideas and/or represent civil society in 
some capacity.

One of the shortcoming of the CSB since it was setup at PC2 is that 
there are few, if any authoritative documents which clearly establish 
the CSB rules of procedure, conduct of it's representatives and what 
actions it is empowered (and not) it can engage in.

I would put it to the plenary that this is something that needs 
immediate attention. Might it be too much to ask to create a 
subcommittee where lawyers, drafters,governance experts and others in 
Civil Society could start collaborating to create a set of guidelines 
for the CSB, and perhaps other structures which we have created.

We can discuss what's wrong, which is fine - but let's do something 
about. would that not be better?


regards

Robert
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From: amalidesilva at yahoo.com (Amali De Silva)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Tunisia meeting & better defining ourselves..
In-Reply-To: <20040225174901.21988.qmail@web21321.mail.yahoo.com>
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Btw: The "SWOT" type analysis which I mentioned yesterday, to the plenary list, would then be a stage two for CS.
 
Amali

Amali De Silva <amalidesilva@yahoo.com> wrote:
I think it is best to stick to some simple but basic "musts / wants " at this stage.
 
1. Inclusivity of CS members in all relevant consultations / opportunity for CS to speak
2. Access to information and meetings
3. Ensure ( no charge ) on-line access at all meetings and conferences for CS
4. Physical meeting space at meetings and conferences plus translation facilities
5. Reasonable budget for WSIS-CS authorised print materials / documents
6. Opportunity for holding press conferences as in Geneva
 
Amali De Silva - Mitchell 


Robert Guerra <rguerra@cpsr.org> wrote:
I do remind everyone the following i mentioned a few days ago.. that the 
informal meeting in Tunis is NEXT week. Consequently,


* it would be a good idea to have those that are attending relay a 
message from the plenary and/or CT group. what that message is, well - 
that i'll leave to discussion.


* as mentioned by mereym and others, we need to come up with a consensus 
on where we stand in regards to the CSB.


we must recognize the fact that certain governments and the summit 
organizers might be seeing the CSB, and those who are listed as it's 
members as empowered to give ideas and/or represent civil society in 
some capacity.

One of the shortcoming of the CSB since it was setup at PC2 is that 
there are few, if any authoritative documents which clearly establish 
the CSB rules of procedure, conduct of it's representatives and what 
actions it is empowered (and not) it can engage in.

I would put it to the plenary that this is something that needs 
immediate attention. Might it be too much to ask to create a 
subcommittee where lawyers, drafters,governance experts and others in 
Civil Society could start collaborating to create a set of guidelines 
for the CSB, and perhaps other structures which we have created.

We can discuss what's wrong, which is fine - but let's do something 
about. would that not be better?


regards

Robert
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 25 18:00:19 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: A way forward for the CS structure - a suggestion -  [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of) suggestion for Tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <20040224195548.48086.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040225180019.4870.qmail@web60707.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Amali,
This is a good proposal to start a process responding
to crucial questions. We must invest on your proposals
and Jean Louis comments.
Perhaps con you begin with Jean Louis waiting for
other volonteers to collect contributions.
I propose that as fist point we try to do a rapid
evaluation of Geneva Summit and the deficit of SC
forces and weakness faced during the summit, this help
to define benchmarks for the future.
Then come your Sd and Trd part.
All the best
Chère Amali
C'est une excellente proposition pour a
--- Amali De Silva <amalidesilva@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Civil Society Members:
>  
> I suggest that we: 
>  
> 1 ) Identify the issues that we think will be
> important to Civil Society in Phase 2
>  
> 2) Carry out a SWOT ( strenghs, weaknesses,
> opportunities, threats ) analysis of our current
> Civil Society co-ordination structure using a
> universally available collaboration tool.
>  
> 3 ) We can then conclude as to:
>  
>                                       a) Leaving the
> CS structure as it is for the future    
>                                           (save us
> some time so that we can address some 
>                                            real
> issues)
>  
>                                       b) Changing
> the structure to a certain extent to reflect 
>                                           new 
> priorites ( increase language translation 
>                                          
> capabilites )
>  
>                                       c) Throwing
> the old structure out completely and 
>                                            bring  in
> the new ! ( a lot of work !) 
>  
> I would be pleased to co-ordinate this analysis with
> others.
>  
> Amali De Silva - Mitchell MSc.
>  
> President Vancouver Community Network, Canada
> Director Freedom of Information and Privacy
> Association, Canada
> Co-coordinator North American Caucus - WSIS CS
> 
> 
> djilali benamrane <dbenamrane@yahoo.com> wrote:
> En Français ci-aprés...
> Dear All,
> Wolfgong is already in the content. It's easy to
> declare that we have not to reinvent the wheel... We
> are only on how to proceed so we avoid difficulties
> lived by many of us, especially those comming from
> africa during the Geneva Summit....
> Putting such a question i don't feel reinventing the
> weel but asking how to identify the best wheel we
> need
> and how to use it better for al, in the North but
> also
> in the South, in English, but also in other
> languages.
> All the best
> Djilali
> Chers vous tous,
> Wolfgong est déjà au niveau du contenu et nous
> recommande de nous pas perdre de notre temps à
> réinventer la roue !
> On peut ne pas être satisfait sur ce qui s'est fait
> et
> poser des questions et apporter des éléments de
> réponse sur de quelle roue s'agit-il, comment la
> définir ensemble et l'utliliser ensemble que nous
> soyons du Nord ou du sud, d'Afrique ou des pays
> arabes, parlant ou non l'anglais et si nous
> répondant
> à ces préoccupations peut-être éviterions nous
> d'être
> méprisés à Tunis comme nous l'avons été à genève !
> Bien à vous
> Djilali
> --- wolfgang@imv.au.dk wrote:
> > Dear all,
> > 
> > I fully suppoert Seans approach.
> > 
> > Furthermore, while we need an evaluation and
> > re-definition of our priorities und strategies for
> > WSIS Phase II, we should base our plans and
> actions
> > and what we have achieved in WSIS Phase I. There
> is
> > always a risk to reinvent the wheel. It makes
> sense
> > to read the CS Declaration again and again. It
> makes
> > also sense, to single out a limited number of
> > concrete (key) proposals, formulated in the CS
> > declaration, and to repeat this as well again and
> > again. We need both innovation and consistency.
> > 
> > Best
> > 
> > wolfgang
> > 
> > -- Original Nachricht--
> > Von: Sean O Siochru 
> > An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > Senden: 12:19 PM
> > Betreff: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of)
> > suggestion for Tunis meeting
> > 
> > Djilali et amis
> > 
> > Je suis d\'accord aussi avec Meryem sur les
> > questions de la reunion a Tunis, 
> > la representation de la societe civile, et les
> > priorite pour le moment. 
> > (Sorry Djilali - just token effort)
> > 
> > Civil Society, and all its components (CS Plenary,
> > C&T Group, Working 
> > groups, Bureau) must have an open and frank
> > discussion about the future, 
> > and sort itself out before the first \'official\'
> > meeting, which is the 
> > PrepCom. The upcoming Bureau meeting and the Tunis
> > meeting have no mandate 
> > to take any decisions or make any statement on
> > behalf of civil 
> > society. But of cours e, individual civil society
> > members who agree with 
> > this can play an important role in making known,
> in
> > Tunis, the huge effort 
> > that has gone into civil society in terms of
> > organising, the major role we 
> > played leading up to and at Geneva, and that we
> are
> > in the process of doing 
> > so again for this round. And that we expect the
> > full (hands-off) support 
> > of the new Secretariat in doing that, and in
> > enabling civil society to 
> > again play a key role, in ways that we will inform
> > themof in coming months.
> > 
> > Sean .
> > cut 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Amali De Silva-Mitchell MSc.
> 
> Tel: 1-604-736-9012 & Email: amalidesilva@yahoo.com
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 25 18:03:49 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: A way forward for the CS structure - a suggestion -  [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of) suggestion for Tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <20040224195548.48086.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040225180349.84790.qmail@web60706.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Amali,
This is a good proposal to start a process responding
to crucial questions. We must invest on your proposals
and Jean Louis comments.
Perhaps con you begin with Jean Louis waiting for
other volonteers to collect contributions.
I propose that as fist point we try to do a rapid
evaluation of Geneva Summit and the deficit of SC
forces and weakness faced during the summit, this help
to define benchmarks for the future.
Then come your Sd and Trd part.
All the best
Chère Amali
C'est une excellente proposition pour aller de
l'avant. Investissons sur vos propositions et celles
de Jean Louis.
Commencez peut-être avec JL à faire ce travail de
collects de propostions en attendant d'autres
volontaires.
Je proposerai de débuter par un nouveau 1er point
concernant une rapide évaluation des foces et
faiblesses de la SC durant le Sommet de Genève, cela
nous éclairera mieux pour la suite définie dans vos
2ème et 3ème partie.
Amitiés
Djilali
 
--- Amali De Silva <amalidesilva@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Civil Society Members:
>  
> I suggest that we: 
>  
> 1 ) Identify the issues that we think will be
> important to Civil Society in Phase 2
>  
> 2) Carry out a SWOT ( strenghs, weaknesses,
> opportunities, threats ) analysis of our current
> Civil Society co-ordination structure using a
> universally available collaboration tool.
>  
> 3 ) We can then conclude as to:
>  
>                                       a) Leaving the
> CS structure as it is for the future    
>                                           (save us
> some time so that we can address some 
>                                            real
> issues)
>  
>                                       b) Changing
> the structure to a certain extent to reflect 
>                                           new 
> priorites ( increase language translation 
>                                          
> capabilites )
>  
>                                       c) Throwing
> the old structure out completely and 
>                                            bring  in
> the new ! ( a lot of work !) 
>  
> I would be pleased to co-ordinate this analysis with
> others.
>  
> Amali De Silva - Mitchell MSc.
>  
> President Vancouver Community Network, Canada
> Director Freedom of Information and Privacy
> Association, Canada
> Co-coordinator North American Caucus - WSIS CS
> 
> 
> djilali benamrane <dbenamrane@yahoo.com> wrote:
> En Français ci-aprés...
> Dear All,
> Wolfgong is already in the content. It's easy to
> declare that we have not to reinvent the wheel... We
> are only on how to proceed so we avoid difficulties
> lived by many of us, especially those comming from
> africa during the Geneva Summit....
> Putting such a question i don't feel reinventing the
> weel but asking how to identify the best wheel we
> need
> and how to use it better for al, in the North but
> also
> in the South, in English, but also in other
> languages.
> All the best
> Djilali
> Chers vous tous,
> Wolfgong est déjà au niveau du contenu et nous
> recommande de nous pas perdre de notre temps à
> réinventer la roue !
> On peut ne pas être satisfait sur ce qui s'est fait
> et
> poser des questions et apporter des éléments de
> réponse sur de quelle roue s'agit-il, comment la
> définir ensemble et l'utliliser ensemble que nous
> soyons du Nord ou du sud, d'Afrique ou des pays
> arabes, parlant ou non l'anglais et si nous
> répondant
> à ces préoccupations peut-être éviterions nous
> d'être
> méprisés à Tunis comme nous l'avons été à genève !
> Bien à vous
> Djilali
> --- wolfgang@imv.au.dk wrote:
> > Dear all,
> > 
> > I fully suppoert Seans approach.
> > 
> > Furthermore, while we need an evaluation and
> > re-definition of our priorities und strategies for
> > WSIS Phase II, we should base our plans and
> actions
> > and what we have achieved in WSIS Phase I. There
> is
> > always a risk to reinvent the wheel. It makes
> sense
> > to read the CS Declaration again and again. It
> makes
> > also sense, to single out a limited number of
> > concrete (key) proposals, formulated in the CS
> > declaration, and to repeat this as well again and
> > again. We need both innovation and consistency.
> > 
> > Best
> > 
> > wolfgang
> > 
> > -- Original Nachricht--
> > Von: Sean O Siochru 
> > An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > Senden: 12:19 PM
> > Betreff: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of)
> > suggestion for Tunis meeting
> > 
> > Djilali et amis
> > 
> > Je suis d\'accord aussi avec Meryem sur les
> > questions de la reunion a Tunis, 
> > la representation de la societe civile, et les
> > priorite pour le moment. 
> > (Sorry Djilali - just token effort)
> > 
> > Civil Society, and all its components (CS Plenary,
> > C&T Group, Working 
> > groups, Bureau) must have an open and frank
> > discussion about the future, 
> > and sort itself out before the first \'official\'
> > meeting, which is the 
> > PrepCom. The upcoming Bureau meeting and the Tunis
> > meeting have no mandate 
> > to take any decisions or make any statement on
> > behalf of civil 
> > society. But of cours e, individual civil society
> > members who agree with 
> > this can play an important role in making known,
> in
> > Tunis, the huge effort 
> > that has gone into civil society in terms of
> > organising, the major role we 
> > played leading up to and at Geneva, and that we
> are
> > in the process of doing 
> > so again for this round. And that we expect the
> > full (hands-off) support 
> > of the new Secretariat in doing that, and in
> > enabling civil society to 
> > again play a key role, in ways that we will inform
> > themof in coming months.
> > 
> > Sean .
> > cut 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Amali De Silva-Mitchell MSc.
> 
> Tel: 1-604-736-9012 & Email: amalidesilva@yahoo.com
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


=====
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Tél/Fax : (331) 01 45 39 77 02 Paris - France
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 25 18:02:04 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: A way forward for the CS structure - a suggestion -  [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of) suggestion for Tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <20040224195548.48086.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040225180204.96981.qmail@web60709.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Amali,
This is a good proposal to start a process responding
to crucial questions. We must invest on your proposals
and Jean Louis comments.
Perhaps con you begin with Jean Louis waiting for
other volonteers to collect contributions.
I propose that as fist point we try to do a rapid
evaluation of Geneva Summit and the deficit of SC
forces and weakness faced during the summit, this help
to define benchmarks for the future.
Then come your Sd and Trd part.
All the best
Chère Amali
C'est une excellente proposition pour aller de
l'avant. Investissons sur vos propositions et celles
de Jean Louis.
Commencez peut-être avec JL à faire ce travail de
collects de propostions en attendant d'autres
volontaires.
Je proposerai de débuter par un nouveau 1er point
concernant une ra
--- Amali De Silva <amalidesilva@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Civil Society Members:
>  
> I suggest that we: 
>  
> 1 ) Identify the issues that we think will be
> important to Civil Society in Phase 2
>  
> 2) Carry out a SWOT ( strenghs, weaknesses,
> opportunities, threats ) analysis of our current
> Civil Society co-ordination structure using a
> universally available collaboration tool.
>  
> 3 ) We can then conclude as to:
>  
>                                       a) Leaving the
> CS structure as it is for the future    
>                                           (save us
> some time so that we can address some 
>                                            real
> issues)
>  
>                                       b) Changing
> the structure to a certain extent to reflect 
>                                           new 
> priorites ( increase language translation 
>                                          
> capabilites )
>  
>                                       c) Throwing
> the old structure out completely and 
>                                            bring  in
> the new ! ( a lot of work !) 
>  
> I would be pleased to co-ordinate this analysis with
> others.
>  
> Amali De Silva - Mitchell MSc.
>  
> President Vancouver Community Network, Canada
> Director Freedom of Information and Privacy
> Association, Canada
> Co-coordinator North American Caucus - WSIS CS
> 
> 
> djilali benamrane <dbenamrane@yahoo.com> wrote:
> En Français ci-aprés...
> Dear All,
> Wolfgong is already in the content. It's easy to
> declare that we have not to reinvent the wheel... We
> are only on how to proceed so we avoid difficulties
> lived by many of us, especially those comming from
> africa during the Geneva Summit....
> Putting such a question i don't feel reinventing the
> weel but asking how to identify the best wheel we
> need
> and how to use it better for al, in the North but
> also
> in the South, in English, but also in other
> languages.
> All the best
> Djilali
> Chers vous tous,
> Wolfgong est déjà au niveau du contenu et nous
> recommande de nous pas perdre de notre temps à
> réinventer la roue !
> On peut ne pas être satisfait sur ce qui s'est fait
> et
> poser des questions et apporter des éléments de
> réponse sur de quelle roue s'agit-il, comment la
> définir ensemble et l'utliliser ensemble que nous
> soyons du Nord ou du sud, d'Afrique ou des pays
> arabes, parlant ou non l'anglais et si nous
> répondant
> à ces préoccupations peut-être éviterions nous
> d'être
> méprisés à Tunis comme nous l'avons été à genève !
> Bien à vous
> Djilali
> --- wolfgang@imv.au.dk wrote:
> > Dear all,
> > 
> > I fully suppoert Seans approach.
> > 
> > Furthermore, while we need an evaluation and
> > re-definition of our priorities und strategies for
> > WSIS Phase II, we should base our plans and
> actions
> > and what we have achieved in WSIS Phase I. There
> is
> > always a risk to reinvent the wheel. It makes
> sense
> > to read the CS Declaration again and again. It
> makes
> > also sense, to single out a limited number of
> > concrete (key) proposals, formulated in the CS
> > declaration, and to repeat this as well again and
> > again. We need both innovation and consistency.
> > 
> > Best
> > 
> > wolfgang
> > 
> > -- Original Nachricht--
> > Von: Sean O Siochru 
> > An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > Senden: 12:19 PM
> > Betreff: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of)
> > suggestion for Tunis meeting
> > 
> > Djilali et amis
> > 
> > Je suis d\'accord aussi avec Meryem sur les
> > questions de la reunion a Tunis, 
> > la representation de la societe civile, et les
> > priorite pour le moment. 
> > (Sorry Djilali - just token effort)
> > 
> > Civil Society, and all its components (CS Plenary,
> > C&T Group, Working 
> > groups, Bureau) must have an open and frank
> > discussion about the future, 
> > and sort itself out before the first \'official\'
> > meeting, which is the 
> > PrepCom. The upcoming Bureau meeting and the Tunis
> > meeting have no mandate 
> > to take any decisions or make any statement on
> > behalf of civil 
> > society. But of cours e, individual civil society
> > members who agree with 
> > this can play an important role in making known,
> in
> > Tunis, the huge effort 
> > that has gone into civil society in terms of
> > organising, the major role we 
> > played leading up to and at Geneva, and that we
> are
> > in the process of doing 
> > so again for this round. And that we expect the
> > full (hands-off) support 
> > of the new Secretariat in doing that, and in
> > enabling civil society to 
> > again play a key role, in ways that we will inform
> > themof in coming months.
> > 
> > Sean .
> > cut 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Amali De Silva-Mitchell MSc.
> 
> Tel: 1-604-736-9012 & Email: amalidesilva@yahoo.com
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


=====
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Tél/Fax : (331) 01 45 39 77 02 Paris - France
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 25 18:02:09 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: A way forward for the CS structure - a suggestion -  [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of) suggestion for Tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <20040224195548.48086.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040225180209.96462.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Amali,
This is a good proposal to start a process responding
to crucial questions. We must invest on your proposals
and Jean Louis comments.
Perhaps con you begin with Jean Louis waiting for
other volonteers to collect contributions.
I propose that as fist point we try to do a rapid
evaluation of Geneva Summit and the deficit of SC
forces and weakness faced during the summit, this help
to define benchmarks for the future.
Then come your Sd and Trd part.
All the best
Chère Amali
C'est une excellente proposition pour aller de
l'avant. Investissons sur vos propositions et celles
de Jean Louis.
Commencez peut-être avec JL à faire ce travail de
collects de propostions en attendant d'autres
volontaires.
Je proposerai de débuter par un nouveau 1er point
concernant une ra
--- Amali De Silva <amalidesilva@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Civil Society Members:
>  
> I suggest that we: 
>  
> 1 ) Identify the issues that we think will be
> important to Civil Society in Phase 2
>  
> 2) Carry out a SWOT ( strenghs, weaknesses,
> opportunities, threats ) analysis of our current
> Civil Society co-ordination structure using a
> universally available collaboration tool.
>  
> 3 ) We can then conclude as to:
>  
>                                       a) Leaving the
> CS structure as it is for the future    
>                                           (save us
> some time so that we can address some 
>                                            real
> issues)
>  
>                                       b) Changing
> the structure to a certain extent to reflect 
>                                           new 
> priorites ( increase language translation 
>                                          
> capabilites )
>  
>                                       c) Throwing
> the old structure out completely and 
>                                            bring  in
> the new ! ( a lot of work !) 
>  
> I would be pleased to co-ordinate this analysis with
> others.
>  
> Amali De Silva - Mitchell MSc.
>  
> President Vancouver Community Network, Canada
> Director Freedom of Information and Privacy
> Association, Canada
> Co-coordinator North American Caucus - WSIS CS
> 
> 
> djilali benamrane <dbenamrane@yahoo.com> wrote:
> En Français ci-aprés...
> Dear All,
> Wolfgong is already in the content. It's easy to
> declare that we have not to reinvent the wheel... We
> are only on how to proceed so we avoid difficulties
> lived by many of us, especially those comming from
> africa during the Geneva Summit....
> Putting such a question i don't feel reinventing the
> weel but asking how to identify the best wheel we
> need
> and how to use it better for al, in the North but
> also
> in the South, in English, but also in other
> languages.
> All the best
> Djilali
> Chers vous tous,
> Wolfgong est déjà au niveau du contenu et nous
> recommande de nous pas perdre de notre temps à
> réinventer la roue !
> On peut ne pas être satisfait sur ce qui s'est fait
> et
> poser des questions et apporter des éléments de
> réponse sur de quelle roue s'agit-il, comment la
> définir ensemble et l'utliliser ensemble que nous
> soyons du Nord ou du sud, d'Afrique ou des pays
> arabes, parlant ou non l'anglais et si nous
> répondant
> à ces préoccupations peut-être éviterions nous
> d'être
> méprisés à Tunis comme nous l'avons été à genève !
> Bien à vous
> Djilali
> --- wolfgang@imv.au.dk wrote:
> > Dear all,
> > 
> > I fully suppoert Seans approach.
> > 
> > Furthermore, while we need an evaluation and
> > re-definition of our priorities und strategies for
> > WSIS Phase II, we should base our plans and
> actions
> > and what we have achieved in WSIS Phase I. There
> is
> > always a risk to reinvent the wheel. It makes
> sense
> > to read the CS Declaration again and again. It
> makes
> > also sense, to single out a limited number of
> > concrete (key) proposals, formulated in the CS
> > declaration, and to repeat this as well again and
> > again. We need both innovation and consistency.
> > 
> > Best
> > 
> > wolfgang
> > 
> > -- Original Nachricht--
> > Von: Sean O Siochru 
> > An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > Senden: 12:19 PM
> > Betreff: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of)
> > suggestion for Tunis meeting
> > 
> > Djilali et amis
> > 
> > Je suis d\'accord aussi avec Meryem sur les
> > questions de la reunion a Tunis, 
> > la representation de la societe civile, et les
> > priorite pour le moment. 
> > (Sorry Djilali - just token effort)
> > 
> > Civil Society, and all its components (CS Plenary,
> > C&T Group, Working 
> > groups, Bureau) must have an open and frank
> > discussion about the future, 
> > and sort itself out before the first \'official\'
> > meeting, which is the 
> > PrepCom. The upcoming Bureau meeting and the Tunis
> > meeting have no mandate 
> > to take any decisions or make any statement on
> > behalf of civil 
> > society. But of cours e, individual civil society
> > members who agree with 
> > this can play an important role in making known,
> in
> > Tunis, the huge effort 
> > that has gone into civil society in terms of
> > organising, the major role we 
> > played leading up to and at Geneva, and that we
> are
> > in the process of doing 
> > so again for this round. And that we expect the
> > full (hands-off) support 
> > of the new Secretariat in doing that, and in
> > enabling civil society to 
> > again play a key role, in ways that we will inform
> > themof in coming months.
> > 
> > Sean .
> > cut 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Amali De Silva-Mitchell MSc.
> 
> Tel: 1-604-736-9012 & Email: amalidesilva@yahoo.com
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


=====
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Tél/Fax : (331) 01 45 39 77 02 Paris - France
Page web sur l'Afrique et la globalisation : http://www.multimania.com/djilalibenamrane/
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 25 18:02:08 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: A way forward for the CS structure - a suggestion -  [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of) suggestion for Tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <20040224195548.48086.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040225180208.70158.qmail@web60702.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Amali,
This is a good proposal to start a process responding
to crucial questions. We must invest on your proposals
and Jean Louis comments.
Perhaps con you begin with Jean Louis waiting for
other volonteers to collect contributions.
I propose that as fist point we try to do a rapid
evaluation of Geneva Summit and the deficit of SC
forces and weakness faced during the summit, this help
to define benchmarks for the future.
Then come your Sd and Trd part.
All the best
Chère Amali
C'est une excellente proposition pour aller de
l'avant. Investissons sur vos propositions et celles
de Jean Louis.
Commencez peut-être avec JL à faire ce travail de
collects de propostions en attendant d'autres
volontaires.
Je proposerai de débuter par un nouveau 1er point
concernant une ra
--- Amali De Silva <amalidesilva@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Civil Society Members:
>  
> I suggest that we: 
>  
> 1 ) Identify the issues that we think will be
> important to Civil Society in Phase 2
>  
> 2) Carry out a SWOT ( strenghs, weaknesses,
> opportunities, threats ) analysis of our current
> Civil Society co-ordination structure using a
> universally available collaboration tool.
>  
> 3 ) We can then conclude as to:
>  
>                                       a) Leaving the
> CS structure as it is for the future    
>                                           (save us
> some time so that we can address some 
>                                            real
> issues)
>  
>                                       b) Changing
> the structure to a certain extent to reflect 
>                                           new 
> priorites ( increase language translation 
>                                          
> capabilites )
>  
>                                       c) Throwing
> the old structure out completely and 
>                                            bring  in
> the new ! ( a lot of work !) 
>  
> I would be pleased to co-ordinate this analysis with
> others.
>  
> Amali De Silva - Mitchell MSc.
>  
> President Vancouver Community Network, Canada
> Director Freedom of Information and Privacy
> Association, Canada
> Co-coordinator North American Caucus - WSIS CS
> 
> 
> djilali benamrane <dbenamrane@yahoo.com> wrote:
> En Français ci-aprés...
> Dear All,
> Wolfgong is already in the content. It's easy to
> declare that we have not to reinvent the wheel... We
> are only on how to proceed so we avoid difficulties
> lived by many of us, especially those comming from
> africa during the Geneva Summit....
> Putting such a question i don't feel reinventing the
> weel but asking how to identify the best wheel we
> need
> and how to use it better for al, in the North but
> also
> in the South, in English, but also in other
> languages.
> All the best
> Djilali
> Chers vous tous,
> Wolfgong est déjà au niveau du contenu et nous
> recommande de nous pas perdre de notre temps à
> réinventer la roue !
> On peut ne pas être satisfait sur ce qui s'est fait
> et
> poser des questions et apporter des éléments de
> réponse sur de quelle roue s'agit-il, comment la
> définir ensemble et l'utliliser ensemble que nous
> soyons du Nord ou du sud, d'Afrique ou des pays
> arabes, parlant ou non l'anglais et si nous
> répondant
> à ces préoccupations peut-être éviterions nous
> d'être
> méprisés à Tunis comme nous l'avons été à genève !
> Bien à vous
> Djilali
> --- wolfgang@imv.au.dk wrote:
> > Dear all,
> > 
> > I fully suppoert Seans approach.
> > 
> > Furthermore, while we need an evaluation and
> > re-definition of our priorities und strategies for
> > WSIS Phase II, we should base our plans and
> actions
> > and what we have achieved in WSIS Phase I. There
> is
> > always a risk to reinvent the wheel. It makes
> sense
> > to read the CS Declaration again and again. It
> makes
> > also sense, to single out a limited number of
> > concrete (key) proposals, formulated in the CS
> > declaration, and to repeat this as well again and
> > again. We need both innovation and consistency.
> > 
> > Best
> > 
> > wolfgang
> > 
> > -- Original Nachricht--
> > Von: Sean O Siochru 
> > An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > Senden: 12:19 PM
> > Betreff: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of)
> > suggestion for Tunis meeting
> > 
> > Djilali et amis
> > 
> > Je suis d\'accord aussi avec Meryem sur les
> > questions de la reunion a Tunis, 
> > la representation de la societe civile, et les
> > priorite pour le moment. 
> > (Sorry Djilali - just token effort)
> > 
> > Civil Society, and all its components (CS Plenary,
> > C&T Group, Working 
> > groups, Bureau) must have an open and frank
> > discussion about the future, 
> > and sort itself out before the first \'official\'
> > meeting, which is the 
> > PrepCom. The upcoming Bureau meeting and the Tunis
> > meeting have no mandate 
> > to take any decisions or make any statement on
> > behalf of civil 
> > society. But of cours e, individual civil society
> > members who agree with 
> > this can play an important role in making known,
> in
> > Tunis, the huge effort 
> > that has gone into civil society in terms of
> > organising, the major role we 
> > played leading up to and at Geneva, and that we
> are
> > in the process of doing 
> > so again for this round. And that we expect the
> > full (hands-off) support 
> > of the new Secretariat in doing that, and in
> > enabling civil society to 
> > again play a key role, in ways that we will inform
> > themof in coming months.
> > 
> > Sean .
> > cut 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Amali De Silva-Mitchell MSc.
> 
> Tel: 1-604-736-9012 & Email: amalidesilva@yahoo.com
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


=====
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Tél/Fax : (331) 01 45 39 77 02 Paris - France
Page web sur l'Afrique et la globalisation : http://www.multimania.com/djilalibenamrane/
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 25 18:02:09 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: A way forward for the CS structure - a suggestion -  [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of) suggestion for Tunis meeting
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Dear Amali,
This is a good proposal to start a process responding
to crucial questions. We must invest on your proposals
and Jean Louis comments.
Perhaps con you begin with Jean Louis waiting for
other volonteers to collect contributions.
I propose that as fist point we try to do a rapid
evaluation of Geneva Summit and the deficit of SC
forces and weakness faced during the summit, this help
to define benchmarks for the future.
Then come your Sd and Trd part.
All the best
Chère Amali
C'est une excellente proposition pour aller de
l'avant. Investissons sur vos propositions et celles
de Jean Louis.
Commencez peut-être avec JL à faire ce travail de
collects de propostions en attendant d'autres
volontaires.
Je proposerai de débuter par un nouveau 1er point
concernant une ra
--- Amali De Silva <amalidesilva@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Civil Society Members:
>  
> I suggest that we: 
>  
> 1 ) Identify the issues that we think will be
> important to Civil Society in Phase 2
>  
> 2) Carry out a SWOT ( strenghs, weaknesses,
> opportunities, threats ) analysis of our current
> Civil Society co-ordination structure using a
> universally available collaboration tool.
>  
> 3 ) We can then conclude as to:
>  
>                                       a) Leaving the
> CS structure as it is for the future    
>                                           (save us
> some time so that we can address some 
>                                            real
> issues)
>  
>                                       b) Changing
> the structure to a certain extent to reflect 
>                                           new 
> priorites ( increase language translation 
>                                          
> capabilites )
>  
>                                       c) Throwing
> the old structure out completely and 
>                                            bring  in
> the new ! ( a lot of work !) 
>  
> I would be pleased to co-ordinate this analysis with
> others.
>  
> Amali De Silva - Mitchell MSc.
>  
> President Vancouver Community Network, Canada
> Director Freedom of Information and Privacy
> Association, Canada
> Co-coordinator North American Caucus - WSIS CS
> 
> 
> djilali benamrane <dbenamrane@yahoo.com> wrote:
> En Français ci-aprés...
> Dear All,
> Wolfgong is already in the content. It's easy to
> declare that we have not to reinvent the wheel... We
> are only on how to proceed so we avoid difficulties
> lived by many of us, especially those comming from
> africa during the Geneva Summit....
> Putting such a question i don't feel reinventing the
> weel but asking how to identify the best wheel we
> need
> and how to use it better for al, in the North but
> also
> in the South, in English, but also in other
> languages.
> All the best
> Djilali
> Chers vous tous,
> Wolfgong est déjà au niveau du contenu et nous
> recommande de nous pas perdre de notre temps à
> réinventer la roue !
> On peut ne pas être satisfait sur ce qui s'est fait
> et
> poser des questions et apporter des éléments de
> réponse sur de quelle roue s'agit-il, comment la
> définir ensemble et l'utliliser ensemble que nous
> soyons du Nord ou du sud, d'Afrique ou des pays
> arabes, parlant ou non l'anglais et si nous
> répondant
> à ces préoccupations peut-être éviterions nous
> d'être
> méprisés à Tunis comme nous l'avons été à genève !
> Bien à vous
> Djilali
> --- wolfgang@imv.au.dk wrote:
> > Dear all,
> > 
> > I fully suppoert Seans approach.
> > 
> > Furthermore, while we need an evaluation and
> > re-definition of our priorities und strategies for
> > WSIS Phase II, we should base our plans and
> actions
> > and what we have achieved in WSIS Phase I. There
> is
> > always a risk to reinvent the wheel. It makes
> sense
> > to read the CS Declaration again and again. It
> makes
> > also sense, to single out a limited number of
> > concrete (key) proposals, formulated in the CS
> > declaration, and to repeat this as well again and
> > again. We need both innovation and consistency.
> > 
> > Best
> > 
> > wolfgang
> > 
> > -- Original Nachricht--
> > Von: Sean O Siochru 
> > An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > Senden: 12:19 PM
> > Betreff: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of)
> > suggestion for Tunis meeting
> > 
> > Djilali et amis
> > 
> > Je suis d\'accord aussi avec Meryem sur les
> > questions de la reunion a Tunis, 
> > la representation de la societe civile, et les
> > priorite pour le moment. 
> > (Sorry Djilali - just token effort)
> > 
> > Civil Society, and all its components (CS Plenary,
> > C&T Group, Working 
> > groups, Bureau) must have an open and frank
> > discussion about the future, 
> > and sort itself out before the first \'official\'
> > meeting, which is the 
> > PrepCom. The upcoming Bureau meeting and the Tunis
> > meeting have no mandate 
> > to take any decisions or make any statement on
> > behalf of civil 
> > society. But of cours e, individual civil society
> > members who agree with 
> > this can play an important role in making known,
> in
> > Tunis, the huge effort 
> > that has gone into civil society in terms of
> > organising, the major role we 
> > played leading up to and at Geneva, and that we
> are
> > in the process of doing 
> > so again for this round. And that we expect the
> > full (hands-off) support 
> > of the new Secretariat in doing that, and in
> > enabling civil society to 
> > again play a key role, in ways that we will inform
> > themof in coming months.
> > 
> > Sean .
> > cut 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Amali De Silva-Mitchell MSc.
> 
> Tel: 1-604-736-9012 & Email: amalidesilva@yahoo.com
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From ecarll at optonline.net  Wed Feb 25 19:35:05 2004
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Translations
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040225075839.01240780@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <JAEAIHOFJNJNGOMHHMDACEAIGMAA.ecarll@optonline.net>

Hi Karen,

Welcome back from Melbourne.  Just following up on my previous request to
have the Health and ICT Working Group placed on the CS list of caucuses and
working groups. It will be helpful for people visiting the site who have
interests in both physical and mental health issues to join the working
group.

Thanks for your help.

Elizabeth

Dr. Elizabeth Carll
Focal Point
International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
Chair Media/ICT Working Group,
NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York
Tel: 1-631-754-2424
Fax: 1-631-754-5032
ecarll@optonline.net

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of karen banks
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 3:03 AM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Translations


Dear Djilali,

You may wish to look at the list of members on plenary - and review the
various caucuses and spaces where Civil Society Groups meet.

As nnenna highlights, there are many people active in WSIS (African but
also, Asian, Latin American, European, North American) who may not be
active in discussions of the past 4 weeks.

I'm not sure if you're aware of the WSIS Civil society site? If not, it's
quite useful as a resource linking to most of the active CS spaces.

http://www.wsis-cs.org/

members of all lists can be viewed here - and can be accessed if you can
recall your username and pwd for the lists.

http://www.wsis-cs.org/caucuses.html

karen

At 10:51 24/02/2004 -0800, Nnenna wrote:
>Djilali,
>
>It is not correct to think that people in Africa are absent on this
>list.  I am in Africa, and so are many of those on the list.
>
>Nnenna


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From rkoven at compuserve.com  Wed Feb 25 20:08:52 2004
From: rkoven at compuserve.com (Ronald Koven)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at
  WSIS/ITUinformal planning
Message-ID: <200402251509_MC3-1-7241-FBFB@compuserve.com>

Cher Monsieur Djilali --

Il s'agit d'un sommet au sujet de la communication, pas sur tous les autres
sujets tres importants de votre liste. Or, il se trouve que la
problematique des journalistes est au coeur de la Societ? de l'information
et qu'ils sont malmen?s en Tunisie. Sur d'autres questions, telle que le
statut des femmes, la Tunisie a plutot un tres bon bilan par rapport a
d'autres pays comparables.

Nous avons tres bien vu lors du processus de preparation du premier sommet
que des pays autoritaires deployaient leurs efforts surtout pour empecher
la reaffirmation de la libert? d'expression.

Si nous avions accepter votre approche, qui consiste a vouloir se battre
sur tous les front en meme temps sans se soucier du sujet central qui a ?t?
design? pour ce sommet-la, nous n'aurions pas pu reussir a faire en sorte
que la libert? de la presse et la libert? d'expression de facon generale ne
soient pas soumis a regression.

Je pense que Aidan White, qui represente tous les journalistes syndiqu?s du
monde entiere, a tout a fait raison d'ecrire ce qu'il a fait.

(Je pense neanmoins que la prochaine reunion a Tunis etant affich?e comme
une occasion pour parler de l'organisation et non de la substance, ce n'est
pas le moment d'ecrire ou de lire des declarations de principe.)

Mais votre approche consiste en fin de compte a interdire a tout le monde
de faire que que se soit tant qu'on ne s'occupe pas de tous les problemes
du monde en meme temps.

De la meme facon, votre campagne en faveur de l'expression francophone --
un but avec lequel je suis en entiere sympathie -- a ?t? extremement
contreproductive dans sa forme.

Depuis le temps de pheniciens, en passant pars les grecs, les romains, les
francais au Grand Siecle, les allemands dans le Mitteleuropa et la vie
universitaire mondiale du 19me siecle, et maintenant les anglo-americains,
il y a toujours eu une langue vehiculaire dominante pour le commerce
internationale des idees et des biens. Les francais, longtemps allergiques
a l'apprentissage d'une autre langue, se mettent a peu pres tous maintenant
a reconnaitre cette realit? en apprenant l'anglais. Demain nous aurions
peut-etre tous a apprendre le chinois. Moi, j'aurai alors beacoup de
difficult?, mais si je voudrai rester dans le coup, je n'aurai pas de
choix.

Alors, cher monsieur, cessez de vous plaindre a tout propos et laisser les
gens travailler au mieux de leurs possibilit?s -- linguistiques,
intellectuels et professionels. Vous n'etes pas forc? d'avoir une opinion
sur TOUT ce que disent les autres. 

Ronald Koven, World Press Freedom Committee

PS Je ne traduira pas ceci en anglais par ce que il y a des limites a
l'energie, la patience, etc. Mais s'il y a des personnes qui estime que
cela vaut la peine, libre a eux ...

PPS Je note avec un certain amusement que vous n'avez pas traduit en
anglais le passage plutot desobligeant pour les journalistes qui suit:

"Je ne crois pas en la priorit? donn?e aux journalistes
au d?triment des femmes, des jeunes, des vieux, des
ch?meurs ou des handicap?s ou de l'?lite et des
entrepreneurs."

Il y a deja eu un sommet sur les femmes, a Beijing. Il faudra peut-etre
bien proposer des sommets sur les problemes de jeunesse, de vieillesse, de
chomage, des handicap?s et de l'entreprise. Mais, de grace, ne melangeons
pas tout, tout le temps.
 

From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 25 22:04:42 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: AW: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement - To be read at  WSIS/ITUinformal planning
In-Reply-To: <200402251509_MC3-1-7241-FBFB@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <20040225220442.91644.qmail@web60710.mail.yahoo.com>

Cher Monsieur Ronald, votre réponse me comble à
plusieurs titres et je vous en remercie sincèrement :
1... Tout d'abord en me répondant en Français cela
prouve que les non englophones (je ne palide pas pour
le français) peuvent exister et que le monde
multipolaire, multireligieux, multuculturel, multi
langue ... est peut-être meilleur qu'un monde au
service de la seule pensée unique ultra libérale et
ultra englophone....
2... Mon plus grand souhait est que la société civile
soit plus performante à Tunis qu'elle ne l'a été à
Genève et vous pouvez lire un article que j'ai publié
sur l'Humanité et qui explique qu'il suffit de trés
peu pour réaliser cela...
3... Le sommet mondial est sur l'information et la
communication ce n'est pas me semble-t-il celui du
journalisme, noble catégorie professionnelle que je
respecte vraiment. A travers le droit d'accès à
l'information et à la communication on devrait toucher
à tout : au développement comme aux droits humains,
comme à la sécurité mondiale qu'elle soit politique,
économique, sociale ou culturelle...
4... vous souhaitez que le sommet se penche sur le
sort des journalistes en Tunisie et croyez moi que je
suis plus attentif à ce sujet qu'il ne vous semble
mais le sommet sauf à râter ses objectifs devra aussi
s'occuper des autres couches et des autres injustices
que supporte le monde et d'autres collègues ont en
déjà relevé certains qui méritent toute notre
attention...
5... Il faut aussi bien éviter que le sommet de Tunis
ne tourne exclusivent soit à la technicité des
concernés par les télécom, soit à la recherche des
profits comme le souhaite les partisans du libéralisme
outrancier, soit au strict respect des droits des
journalistes, soit à d'autres préoccupations
corporatistes ou electoralistes sinon autant être du
côté des gouvernements et des opérateurs privés, la
société civile devrait avoir d'autres ambitions...
Vos référence historique sont pour le moins amusante,
j'essaierai de m'en inspirer pour mieux préciser les
contours du village planétaire que nous souhaitons
construire ensemble sans exclus, sans martyrs, sans
prince ....
Il ne s'agit là que de quelques idées que je verse aux
débats tout en respectant pleinement les vôtres...
Je ne traduis pas en Anglais et je ne m'en excuse pas 
  
--- Ronald Koven <rkoven@compuserve.com> wrote:
> Cher Monsieur Djilali --
> 
> Il s'agit d'un sommet au sujet de la communication,
> pas sur tous les autres
> sujets tres importants de votre liste. Or, il se
> trouve que la
> problematique des journalistes est au coeur de la
> Societé de l'information
> et qu'ils sont malmenés en Tunisie. Sur d'autres
> questions, telle que le
> statut des femmes, la Tunisie a plutot un tres bon
> bilan par rapport a
> d'autres pays comparables.
> 
> Nous avons tres bien vu lors du processus de
> preparation du premier sommet
> que des pays autoritaires deployaient leurs efforts
> surtout pour empecher
> la reaffirmation de la liberté d'expression.
> 
> Si nous avions accepter votre approche, qui consiste
> a vouloir se battre
> sur tous les front en meme temps sans se soucier du
> sujet central qui a été
> designé pour ce sommet-la, nous n'aurions pas pu
> reussir a faire en sorte
> que la liberté de la presse et la liberté
> d'expression de facon generale ne
> soient pas soumis a regression.
> 
> Je pense que Aidan White, qui represente tous les
> journalistes syndiqués du
> monde entiere, a tout a fait raison d'ecrire ce
> qu'il a fait.
> 
> (Je pense neanmoins que la prochaine reunion a Tunis
> etant affichée comme
> une occasion pour parler de l'organisation et non de
> la substance, ce n'est
> pas le moment d'ecrire ou de lire des declarations
> de principe.)
> 
> Mais votre approche consiste en fin de compte a
> interdire a tout le monde
> de faire que que se soit tant qu'on ne s'occupe pas
> de tous les problemes
> du monde en meme temps.
> 
> De la meme facon, votre campagne en faveur de
> l'expression francophone --
> un but avec lequel je suis en entiere sympathie -- a
> été extremement
> contreproductive dans sa forme.
> 
> Depuis le temps de pheniciens, en passant pars les
> grecs, les romains, les
> francais au Grand Siecle, les allemands dans le
> Mitteleuropa et la vie
> universitaire mondiale du 19me siecle, et maintenant
> les anglo-americains,
> il y a toujours eu une langue vehiculaire dominante
> pour le commerce
> internationale des idees et des biens. Les francais,
> longtemps allergiques
> a l'apprentissage d'une autre langue, se mettent a
> peu pres tous maintenant
> a reconnaitre cette realité en apprenant l'anglais.
> Demain nous aurions
> peut-etre tous a apprendre le chinois. Moi, j'aurai
> alors beacoup de
> difficulté, mais si je voudrai rester dans le coup,
> je n'aurai pas de
> choix.
> 
> Alors, cher monsieur, cessez de vous plaindre a tout
> propos et laisser les
> gens travailler au mieux de leurs possibilités --
> linguistiques,
> intellectuels et professionels. Vous n'etes pas
> forcé d'avoir une opinion
> sur TOUT ce que disent les autres. 
> 
> Ronald Koven, World Press Freedom Committee
> 
> PS Je ne traduira pas ceci en anglais par ce que il
> y a des limites a
> l'energie, la patience, etc. Mais s'il y a des
> personnes qui estime que
> cela vaut la peine, libre a eux ...
> 
> PPS Je note avec un certain amusement que vous
> n'avez pas traduit en
> anglais le passage plutot desobligeant pour les
> journalistes qui suit:
> 
> "Je ne crois pas en la priorité donnée aux
> journalistes
> au détriment des femmes, des jeunes, des vieux, des
> chômeurs ou des handicapés ou de l'élite et des
> entrepreneurs."
> 
> Il y a deja eu un sommet sur les femmes, a Beijing.
> Il faudra peut-etre
> bien proposer des sommets sur les problemes de
> jeunesse, de vieillesse, de
> chomage, des handicapés et de l'entreprise. Mais, de
> grace, ne melangeons
> pas tout, tout le temps.
>  
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From richardjordan at lycos.com  Thu Feb 26 00:19:37 2004
From: richardjordan at lycos.com (richard t jordan)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Tunisia meeting & better defining ourselves..
Message-ID: <NPCJCAOGOGODCGAA@mailcity.com>

--Hi, Amali, A few thoughts on both your contribution and on Robert's: I spoke at the closing CS Plenary and stressed the fact that Tunisia must ensure access for disabled persons. So perhaps consider adding that to yur list.
The CSD/NGO Steering Committee (Commission on Sustainable Development) drafted around 1992 or 1993 a set of rules and procedures that worked quite well for quite a long time, but then disintegrated after about 8 years.
The Steering Committee was and still is a facilitating mechanism that handled logistical questions and procedural matters -- never spoke for anyone.
So perhaps I can dig out the guidelines and see if I can send them out, if this would be helpful.
Best regards, Richard J.

--------- Original Message ---------
DATE: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:49:01
From: Amali De Silva <amalidesilva@yahoo.com>
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Cc: 


I think it is best to stick to some simple but basic "musts / wants " at this stage.

1. Inclusivity of CS members in all relevant consultations / opportunity for CS to speak
2. Access to information and meetings
3. Ensure ( no charge ) on-line access at all meetings and conferences for CS
4. Physical meeting space at meetings and conferences plus translation facilities
5. Reasonable budget for WSIS-CS authorised print materials / documents
6. Opportunity for holding press conferences as in Geneva

Amali De Silva - Mitchell 


Robert Guerra <rguerra@cpsr.org> wrote:
I do remind everyone the following i mentioned a few days ago.. that the 
informal meeting in Tunis is NEXT week. Consequently,


* it would be a good idea to have those that are attending relay a 
message from the plenary and/or CT group. what that message is, well - 
that i'll leave to discussion.


* as mentioned by mereym and others, we need to come up with a consensus 
on where we stand in regards to the CSB.


we must recognize the fact that certain governments and the summit 
organizers might be seeing the CSB, and those who are listed as it's 
members as empowered to give ideas and/or represent civil society in 
some capacity.

One of the shortcoming of the CSB since it was setup at PC2 is that 
there are few, if any authoritative documents which clearly establish 
the CSB rules of procedure, conduct of it's representatives and what 
actions it is empowered (and not) it can engage in.

I would put it to the plenary that this is something that needs 
immediate attention. Might it be too much to ask to create a 
subcommittee where lawyers, drafters,governance experts and others in 
Civil Society could start collaborating to create a set of guidelines 
for the CSB, and perhaps other structures which we have created.

We can discuss what's wrong, which is fine - but let's do something 
about. would that not be better?


regards

Robert
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From amalidesilva at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 26 07:50:57 2004
From: amalidesilva at yahoo.com (Amali De Silva)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Tunisia meeting & better defining ourselves..
In-Reply-To: <NPCJCAOGOGODCGAA@mailcity.com>
Message-ID: <20040226075057.89419.qmail@web21321.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Richard ! - thank you in advance for sharing the guidelines with WSIS CS.
Amali

richard t jordan <richardjordan@lycos.com> wrote:

--Hi, Amali, A few thoughts on both your contribution and on Robert's: I spoke at the closing CS Plenary and stressed the fact that Tunisia must ensure access for disabled persons. So perhaps consider adding that to yur list.

The CSD/NGO Steering Committee (Commission on Sustainable Development) drafted around 1992 or 1993 a set of rules and procedures that worked quite well for quite a long time, but then disintegrated after about 8 years.

The Steering Committee was and still is a facilitating mechanism that handled logistical questions and procedural matters -- never spoke for anyone.

So perhaps I can dig out the guidelines and see if I can send them out, if this would be helpful.

Best regards, Richard J.
--------- Original Message ---------
DATE: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:49:01From: Amali De Silva <amalidesilva@yahoo.com>To: plenary@wsis-cs.orgCc: 
I think it is best to stick to some simple but basic "musts / wants " at this stage.
 
1. Inclusivity of CS members in all relevant consultations / opportunity for CS to speak
2. Access to information and meetings
3. Ensure ( no charge ) on-line access at all meetings and conferences for CS
4. Physical meeting space at meetings and conferences plus translation facilities
5. Reasonable budget for WSIS-CS authorised print materials / documents
6. Opportunity for holding press conferences as in Geneva
 
Amali De Silva - Mitchell 


Robert Guerra <rguerra@cpsr.org> wrote:
I do remind everyone the following i mentioned a few days ago.. that the 
informal meeting in Tunis is NEXT week. Consequently,


* it would be a good idea to have those that are attending relay a 
message from the plenary and/or CT group. what that message is, well - 
that i'll leave to discussion.


* as mentioned by mereym and others, we need to come up with a consensus 
on where we stand in regards to the CSB.


we must recognize the fact that certain governments and the summit 
organizers might be seeing the CSB, and those who are listed as it's 
members as empowered to give ideas and/or represent civil society in 
some capacity.

One of the shortcoming of the CSB since it was setup at PC2 is that 
there are few, if any authoritative documents which clearly establish 
the CSB rules of procedure, conduct of it's r ep resentatives and what 
actions it is empowered (and not) it can engage in.

I would put it to the plenary that this is something that needs 
immediate attention. Might it be too much to ask to create a 
subcommittee where lawyers, drafters,governance experts and others in 
Civil Society could start collaborating to create a set of guidelines 
for the CSB, and perhaps other structures which we have created.

We can discuss what's wrong, which is fine - but let's do something 
about. would that not be better?


regards

Robert
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From: thomruddy at yahoo.com (Thomas Ruddy)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS structure diagram now online
Message-ID: <20040226080130.97356.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear readers,
After all the controversy surrounding the Open Office
format of Chris Nicol's CS structure diagram, I have
converted it to PDF and uploaded it onto this site I
manage, http://www.wsis.ethz.ch

Regards,
Thomas

--- Chris Nicol <cnicol@pangea.org> wrote:
> Subject: Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
> From: Chris Nicol <cnicol@pangea.org>
> To: WSIS CS Plenary list <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:11:08 +0100
> 
> This time with the attachment.  8-)
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 20:55, Chris Nicol wrote:
> > On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 11:37, wolfgang@imv.au.dk
> wrote:
> > > Dar all,
> > > 
> > > It should be clear (also for the Tunis
> organizers) that the "main organ" of CS is the CS
> Plenary. CS-P has two arms, "C&T" for Content (based
> on a broad range of WG and Caucuses) and the
> "Bureau" for Procedures. The so-called "C&T Liaison"
> is a full member of the Bureau. It is important to
> explain this "simple structure" to the newcomers
> from the very early day to avoid any
> misunderstanding. CS is organized bottom up. The
> Bureau does not take content related decisions. It
> facilitates the communications between other bodies
> and stakeholders and the different families,
> caucuses wg etc. of the Civil Society and deals with
> formal aspects (which room is needed when, which
> speaking slots should be reserved, when we should
> have a meeting with the intergovernmental office
> etc.)
> > 
> > Yes. I think it's also useful to see how the two
> kinds of groups,
> > families (Bureau) and Caucuses (Content and
> Themes) differ. The families
> > are organised more according to the origin of
> their members: trade
> > unions; regions; NGOs; women; youth; cities and
> local authorities; think
> > tanks, etc. ie constituencies, similar to the
> governments, who
> > supposedly represent their own national
> constituencies. The caucuses are
> > organised around areas of interest: human rights;
> gender; internet
> > governance; patents, copyright and trademarks;
> regions, indigenous
> > peoples, etc. People from many different
> areas/constituencies of CS can
> > be members of the same working group.
> > 
> > The constituencies could be fine as a basis for
> organising CS if there
> > were some mechanism for formalising this
> representation. But we don't go
> > to Prepcomms with a mandate from our
> constituencies. We try to represent
> > them as best we can, but there are no elected
> representatives from the
> > broader trade union movement, nor representatives
> of all women, nor all
> > youths, nor have think tanks had a congress and
> sent delegates, etc.
> > This would be impossible. CS representivity in
> WSIS has relied more on
> > good will and motivation than on formal
> structures.
> > 
> > But the problem is more than this. When we were
> working at the
> > Prepcomms, we worked on issues, with other people
> who shared our
> > interest, in structures that didn't correspond to
> our "constituencies",
> > with the exceptions of gender, youth, regions,
> etc. So the "families"
> > were sometimes (often?) more of a burden than a
> help in getting the work
> > done. Some hardly ever met, just placing their
> faith in their elected
> > reps. The family structure, which on paper looks
> democratic, was often
> > less so in practice. It was more often the
> caucuses and working groups
> > where we got to know each other, shared ideas and
> meals, created trust
> > and confidence, etc, and thrashed out the issues
> and wrote critiques
> > together.
> > 
> > I doubt that the families were set up as a
> counterweight to the
> > caucuses, but in my opinion the latter were often
> more important. But
> > the Bureau is the "official"  structure, modeled
> on the governments' own
> > structure, so it's the one the UN and the
> Tunisians can (relatively)
> > easily recognise. But only recognising the
> families clearly leads to
> > problems when in practice a lot of CS identifies
> more with their
> > caucuses. Maybe just an explanation would help the
> Tunisian government.
> > 
> > > It would be helpful to write a self-explaining
> one-pager (with an Organizational Chart) for
> distribution in Tunis. 
> > 
> > Attached is a first draft of an organisational
> chart I began a while
> > ago. It's in Open Office drawing format. If anyone
> can convince me that
> > they can't download Open Office (or get a CD) and
> install it to read the
> > file (in Windows or in Linux), (and in the process
> start using free
> > software), I'll see what I can do about making an
> image file of it or
> > sending them a CD with the Open Office
> installation on it. 
> > http://www.openoffice.org
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Chris
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Best
> > > 
> > > wolfgang
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- Original Nachricht--
> > > Von: Rikke Frank Joergensen <rfj@humanrights.dk>
> > > An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > > Senden: 11:12 AM
> > > Betreff: [WSIS CS-Plenary] tunis meeting
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Hi, 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I am glad to see that C&T is a "born"
> participant in the
> > > Tunis meeting, according to the information from
> Renata. 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > However, its still worrying that the family
> structure is the point
> > > of access for CS at a meeting that will
> undoubtedly deal with both process and
> > > content. And that effective means for
> participation in this 2. phase will be so
> > > limited due to financial constrains on CS. 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Rikke
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Plenary mailing list
> > > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > >
>
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> -- 
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 2 application/vnd.sun.xml.draw
name=WSIS_CS_structure.sxd



From wolfgang at imv.au.dk  Thu Feb 26 08:30:15 2004
From: wolfgang at imv.au.dk (wolfgang@imv.au.dk)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Tunisia meeting & better defining ourselves..
Message-ID: <E1AwGuN-0001ef-00@smtp.imv.au.dk>

I agree with Robert, that there is a need to look forward and to formalize - in written documents - the emerging and evolving CS structure. What we need is something like bylaws. I know that this is in contrast with the radical bottom up theory, but if we reach a certain level of complexity, you have to have a stable system,also to become independent from individual activists and to guarantee continuity in cases where one or another activist is ill, is unable to continue or has no will anymore to continue with her his voluntary work.

Best

wolfgang

-- Original Message --
From: Robert Guerra <rguerra@cpsr.org>
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Send: 2004-02-25
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Tunisia meeting & better defining ourselves..

I do remind everyone the following i mentioned a few days ago.. that the 
informal meeting in Tunis is NEXT week. Consequently,


* it would be a good idea to have those that are attending relay a 
message from the plenary and/or CT group. what that message is, well - 
that i'll leave to discussion.


* as mentioned by mereym and others, we need to come up with a consensus 
on where we stand in regards to the CSB.


we must recognize the fact that certain governments and the summit 
organizers might be seeing the CSB, and those who are listed as it's 
members as empowered to give ideas and/or represent civil society in 
some capacity.

One of the shortcoming of the CSB since it was setup at PC2 is that 
there are few, if any authoritative documents which clearly establish 
the CSB rules of procedure, conduct of it's representatives and what 
actions it is empowered (and not) it can engage in.

I would put it to the plenary that this is something that needs 
immediate attention. Might it be too much to ask to create a 
subcommittee where lawyers, drafters,governance experts and others in 
Civil Society could start collaborating to create a set of guidelines 
for the CSB, and perhaps other structures which we have created.

We can discuss what's wrong, which is fine - but let's do something 
about. would that not be better?


regards

Robert
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From thomruddy at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 26 08:32:25 2004
From: thomruddy at yahoo.com (Thomas Ruddy)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Representing interests of Working Groups at Geneva now and in Tunis next week
Message-ID: <20040226083225.13980.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear plenary,
Who will represent your interests and the interests of
the Working Groups at the meeting for brainstorming
next week in Tunis? This question has been raised
below under 3), and Karen Banks asked that this and
related issues be posted to the plenary list.
Regards,
Thomas (attending Geneva meeting 3 hours from now)

--- Thomas Ruddy <thomruddy@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: Thomas Ruddy <thomruddy@yahoo.com>
> To: ct-drafting@wsis-cs.org
> Subject: [Ct-drafting] URGENT: CT agenda for Geneva
> meeting
> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:33:55 -0800 (PST)
> 
> 
> --- Thomas Ruddy <thomas@thomasruddy.org> wrote:
> > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:43:02 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Thomas Ruddy <thomas@thomasruddy.org>
> > Subject: Re: CT agenda for Geneva meeting
> > To: Sally Burch - ALAI <sburch@alainet.org>,
> > ct-drafting@wsis-cs.org
> >
> > 
> > Sally,
> > Chris Z. and I have met and discussed possible
> > strategies. We have read over your email, Robert
> > Guerra's, Djilali's and Amali da Silva's below,
> and
> > would now like to put forth a few ideas of our own
> > here for your consideration.
> > 
> > 
> > --- Sally Burch - ALAI <sburch@alainet.org> wrote:
> > > Chris Z and Thomas:
> > > 
> > > Following on from the items Sean mentions, and
> > > drawing on recent 
> > > discussions in different lists, I suggest the
> > > following.  Others 
> > > please complement/comment:
> > > 
> > > 1) Your main role is to monitor the meeting and
> > > report back to the 
> > > CT group.  Information is particularly needed on
> > > what will be 
> > > discussed in Tunis, how this second phase is
> being
> > > organized, etc.
> > > 
> > We agree that this is our main role. We will print
> > out
> > this email as our guide for tomorrow, and check
> > email
> > tomorrow morning for your last-minute corrections.
> > Please refer to Sally's numbering in your
> comments.
> > 
> > > 2) Many of us feel that neither the meeting in
> > > Geneva nor that in 
> > > Tunis will be sufficiently representative to
> make
> > > decisions.  There 
> > > should be a place to formulate proposals for
> > further
> > > discussion.
> > 
> > As Robert reminded us, next week is the
> > "brainstorming
> > session." We must prevent any action there from
> > hindering us from assembling at PrepCom 1 Tunis.
> > Put more positively, we want to ensure that
> PrepCom
> > 1
> > Tunis is satisfactorily representative. Whose role
> > that will be remains to be discovered. Will that
> be
> > the CS Bureau in its present form or, as Robert
> > suggests, a reformed CS Bureau?
> > 
> > Should the CT Group have a rep. there?  In
> general,
> > what should the role of the CT Group be?  We think
> > this is the prerogative of the CT Group to decide,
> > and
> > will put forward this idea tomorrow.
> > 
> > In general, it is essential that CT and the Bureau
> > are
> > fully apprised of the timings and content of any
> > further preparatory meetings.
> > 
> > > 
> > > 3) The composition of the bureau and a
> democratic
> > > form of election 
> > > should be one of the urgent points for further
> > > discussion in a 
> > > broader space.  We cannot assume that the bureau
> > > will continue to 
> > > function in its present form during the second
> > > phase.
> > > 
> > 
> > What will be the modalities for financial support
> to
> > NGO reps from developing countries to attend
> > prepcoms
> > and the Tunis Summit?  Is the CS Bureau doing this
> > job
> > adequately? Performance of the CS Bureau, however,
> > is
> > an issue that is not for us or the CT Group, but
> the
> > CS Plenary, to address.
> > 
> > What does concern us all is the question as to who
> > will represent the interests of the Working
> Groups,
> > inclg the CT Group, at these meetings?
> > 
> > > 4) The bureau list question (as mentioned by
> Sean)
> > > and the 
> > > importance of transparency and regular report
> > backs.
> > 
> > We take note of the listserv issue:
> > bureau@wsis-cs.org
> > should outlive the geneva2003.org list.
> > 
> > > 
> > > 5) Please inform the bureau that some minor
> > editing
> > > corrections 
> > > (but no content change) have been made on the CS
> > > Declaration 
> > > and a final version will be sent out this week. 
> > > Those who have it on 
> > > their website should replace it with the
> corrected
> > > version.  The 
> > > translations are also being revised and should
> be
> > > ready shortly.
> > 
> > OK
> > > 
> > > 6) The evaluation of phase 1 is on the agenda. 
> We
> > > need to make 
> > > sure that the evaluation is not only an internal
> > > bureau one but also 
> > > has input from all those interested.  Our
> > particular
> > > input as CT 
> > > might be to formulate questions with regard to
> > > content issues.  
> > 
> > Chris Z. thinks this is an "entirely valid summary
> > point." The sort of content questions that could
> be
> > proposed include a CT / CS Action Plan for
> specific
> > proposals for implementation as outputs of the
> Tunis
> > Summit.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Thomas Ruddy and Chris Zielinski
> > 
> > 
> > > Does anyone else on this list have any
> particular
> > > proposals in this 
> > > regard?
> > > 
> > > These are the things that come to mind for the
> > > moment.
> > > 
> > > Sally
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Robert Guerra wrote today:
> > 
> > create a 
> > subcommittee where lawyers, drafters, governance 
> > experts and others in 
> > Civil Society could start collaborating to create
> a 
> > set of guidelines 
> > for the CSB, and perhaps other structures which we
> 
> > have created.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
>
__________________________________________________________
> > 
> > 
> > Amali De Silva" <amalidesilva@yahoo.com>   
> > Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Tunisia meeting &
> > better defining ourselves.. 
> > To: plenary@wsis-cs.org 
> > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:49:01 -0800 (PST) 
> >       
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > I think it is best to stick to some simple but
> basic
> > "musts / wants " at this stage.
> >  
> > 1. Inclusivity of CS members in all relevant
> > consultations / opportunity for CS to speak
> > 2. Access to information and meetings
> > 3. Ensure ( no charge ) on-line access at all
> > meetings
> > and conferences for CS
> > 4. Physical meeting space at meetings and
> > conferences
> > plus translation facilities
> > 5. Reasonable budget for WSIS-CS authorised print
> > materials / documents
> > 6. Opportunity for holding press conferences as in
> > Geneva
> >  
> > Amali De Silva - Mitchell  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 26 08:57:14 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Tunisia meeting & better defining ourselves..
In-Reply-To: <NPCJCAOGOGODCGAA@mailcity.com>
Message-ID: <20040226085714.71078.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com>

In French bellow and appoligize if the translation is
not relevant
Hi Richard,
I support your comments concerning progress can obtain
CS on conditions of participation in Tunis Summit of
desabled persons... Some friends who would like to
focus only on journalists situation and work
conditions should not be happy but we must debate...
In my point of view, the SC must have its special view
and vision concerning all fiels eligible to debate as
condition of a good governance for information and
communication in the developped countries, 
underdevelopement, North South digital situation,
human rights etc...
If the CS go to Tunis to say thanks to the
organizators and to applauds Governmental and UN and
private operators proposals it will be a failure !
I do think that situation of journalist in Tunis and
other dictature countries is very important to deal
with during the preparation tenue and follow-uo of
Tunis Summit, but not more than situation of women,
young, elder, rurale populations, poors etc as
beneficiary of information and communication products
and services...
Salut Richard et mille excuses pour les bilingues qui
ne retrouveront pas une traduction mot à mot.
Je marque mon accord pour que la SC puisse se battre
pour obtenir de meilleures conditions d'accès des
handicapés au Sommet de Tunis... Certains amis
focalisés sur le seul sort des journalistes en Tunisie
et dans d'autres pays dictatoriaux (problème important
et personne ne le conteste) ont peut-être raison
puisqu'il s'agit du sommet de l'information, mais la
société civile aurait tord de ne défendre que ce
dossier tant il est vrai que les autres dossiers,
pauvreté, fosssé numérique, femmes, jeunes, 3ème age,
paysans, pauvres etc sont aussi important puisqu'ils
devraient constituer la finalité de l'information
produite... parce que si nous nous inscrivons
seulement dans la logique des gouvernements, des
nations unies et des opérateurs privés se serais un
échec...
     
--- richard t jordan <richardjordan@lycos.com> wrote:
> --Hi, Amali, A few thoughts on both your
> contribution and on Robert's: I spoke at the closing
> CS Plenary and stressed the fact that Tunisia must
> ensure access for disabled persons. So perhaps
> consider adding that to yur list.
> The CSD/NGO Steering Committee (Commission on
> Sustainable Development) drafted around 1992 or 1993
> a set of rules and procedures that worked quite well
> for quite a long time, but then disintegrated after
> about 8 years.
> The Steering Committee was and still is a
> facilitating mechanism that handled logistical
> questions and procedural matters -- never spoke for
> anyone.
> So perhaps I can dig out the guidelines and see if I
> can send them out, if this would be helpful.
> Best regards, Richard J.
> 
> --------- Original Message ---------
> DATE: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:49:01
> From: Amali De Silva <amalidesilva@yahoo.com>
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Cc: 
> 
> 
> I think it is best to stick to some simple but basic
> "musts / wants " at this stage.
> 
> 1. Inclusivity of CS members in all relevant
> consultations / opportunity for CS to speak
> 2. Access to information and meetings
> 3. Ensure ( no charge ) on-line access at all
> meetings and conferences for CS
> 4. Physical meeting space at meetings and
> conferences plus translation facilities
> 5. Reasonable budget for WSIS-CS authorised print
> materials / documents
> 6. Opportunity for holding press conferences as in
> Geneva
> 
> Amali De Silva - Mitchell 
> 
> 
> Robert Guerra <rguerra@cpsr.org> wrote:
> I do remind everyone the following i mentioned a few
> days ago.. that the 
> informal meeting in Tunis is NEXT week.
> Consequently,
> 
> 
> * it would be a good idea to have those that are
> attending relay a 
> message from the plenary and/or CT group. what that
> message is, well - 
> that i'll leave to discussion.
> 
> 
> * as mentioned by mereym and others, we need to come
> up with a consensus 
> on where we stand in regards to the CSB.
> 
> 
> we must recognize the fact that certain governments
> and the summit 
> organizers might be seeing the CSB, and those who
> are listed as it's 
> members as empowered to give ideas and/or represent
> civil society in 
> some capacity.
> 
> One of the shortcoming of the CSB since it was setup
> at PC2 is that 
> there are few, if any authoritative documents which
> clearly establish 
> the CSB rules of procedure, conduct of it's
> representatives and what 
> actions it is empowered (and not) it can engage in.
> 
> I would put it to the plenary that this is something
> that needs 
> immediate attention. Might it be too much to ask to
> create a 
> subcommittee where lawyers, drafters,governance
> experts and others in 
> Civil Society could start collaborating to create a
> set of guidelines 
> for the CSB, and perhaps other structures which we
> have created.
> 
> We can discuss what's wrong, which is fine - but
> let's do something 
> about. would that not be better?
> 
> 
> regards
> 
> Robert
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 
> 
> 
> Amali De Silva-Mitchell MSc.
> Tel: 1-604-736-9012 & Email: amalidesilva@yahoo.com
> 
> 
>
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From richardjordan at lycos.com  Thu Feb 26 12:26:56 2004
From: richardjordan at lycos.com (richard t jordan)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Tunisia meeting & better defining ourselves..
Message-ID: <EIHGGOCNOBGGCGAA@mailcity.com>

--Hello, Wolfgang, et al, The weekly DPI (Dept. of Public Information) briefing for NGOs here at UN Headquarters on February 12 consisted of the Permanent Representative of Tunisia, Sara McCue, of UNDP, Therese Gasteau of DPI and myself, from NGOs. Sergei Kambalov of the UN ICT Task Force made an informal intervention from the audience during Q&A. There were a number of delegates also present.

Basically, this was informational only, what was the Summit like, what did it do, and introduced the Tunisian phase. Some delegates found the new (at that time) Canadian site of interest, since it contained Rik's synopsis of that Geneva meeting. 

It was abundantly clear that NGOs in New York, and others for that matter, now realize (my view) that this process is one that would be valuable in which to be engaged.

What I did suggest, and it seemed a welcome proposal, was for some type of open-ended working group in New York, composed of anyone who wanted to participate, be formed to discuss what those in New York feel the second phase could deal with.

With few NGOs but myself from New York having been involved in the process from the beginning, there has always been a vacuum, so we will see how things work out here.

Cheers, 
Richard

P.S. Agree with Robert about working on positive results for Tunis.


--------- Original Message ---------

DATE: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 09:30:15
From: <wolfgang@imv.au.dk>
To: "Robert Guerra" <rguerra@cpsr.org>,<plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Cc: 

>I agree with Robert, that there is a need to look forward and to formalize - in written documents - the emerging and evolving CS structure. What we need is something like bylaws. I know that this is in contrast with the radical bottom up theory, but if we reach a certain level of complexity, you have to have a stable system,also to become independent from individual activists and to guarantee continuity in cases where one or another activist is ill, is unable to continue or has no will anymore to continue with her his voluntary work.
>
>Best
>
>wolfgang
>
>-- Original Message --
>From: Robert Guerra <rguerra@cpsr.org>
>To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>Send: 2004-02-25
>Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Tunisia meeting & better defining ourselves..
>
>I do remind everyone the following i mentioned a few days ago.. that the 
>informal meeting in Tunis is NEXT week. Consequently,
>
>
>* it would be a good idea to have those that are attending relay a 
>message from the plenary and/or CT group. what that message is, well - 
>that i'll leave to discussion.
>
>
>* as mentioned by mereym and others, we need to come up with a consensus 
>on where we stand in regards to the CSB.
>
>
>we must recognize the fact that certain governments and the summit 
>organizers might be seeing the CSB, and those who are listed as it's 
>members as empowered to give ideas and/or represent civil society in 
>some capacity.
>
>One of the shortcoming of the CSB since it was setup at PC2 is that 
>there are few, if any authoritative documents which clearly establish 
>the CSB rules of procedure, conduct of it's representatives and what 
>actions it is empowered (and not) it can engage in.
>
>I would put it to the plenary that this is something that needs 
>immediate attention. Might it be too much to ask to create a 
>subcommittee where lawyers, drafters,governance experts and others in 
>Civil Society could start collaborating to create a set of guidelines 
>for the CSB, and perhaps other structures which we have created.
>
>We can discuss what's wrong, which is fine - but let's do something 
>about. would that not be better?
>
>
>regards
>
>Robert
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From rkoven at compuserve.com  Thu Feb 26 13:04:13 2004
From: rkoven at compuserve.com (Ronald Koven)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Translation of reply to Djilali
Message-ID: <200402260804_MC3-1-7221-AFEB@compuserve.com>

Okay, in response to several comments/requests, I've given up and
translated what I wrote Djilali last nite:

Dear Mr. Djilali --

This is a summit on the subject of communication, not on all the other very
important subjects you list. The question of journalists is at the heart of
of the Information Society, and they are being mistreated in Tunisia. On
other questions, such as the status of women, Tunisia has a relatively good
record, compared to like countries.

We clearly saw for ourselves during the preparatory process of the first
summit that authoritarian countries worked above all to prevent the
reaffirmation of freedom of expression.

If we had accepted your approach -- which amounts to wanting to fight on
all fronts at once without focusing on the central topic set for that
particular summit -- we wouldn't have succeeded in preventing backsliding
on press freedom and freedom of expression generally.

I think that Aidan White, who represents all the world's unionized
journalists, was entirely correct in writing what he did.

(I nevertheless think that, since the next meeting in Tunis is billed as a
procedural discussion, not a substantive one, it's not the time to read out
declarations of principle.)

Your approach amounts in the final analysis to banning anyone from doing
anything at all if they don't address all the world's problems at once.

In much the same way, your campaign for the use of French -- a goal with
which I'm entirely sympathetic -- has been very counterproductive in the
form it took.

Since the Phoenicians, followed by the Greeks, Romans, the 18th Century
French, the 19th Century Germans in Central Europe and the world's leading
universities, and now the Anglo-Americans, there has always been a dominant
vehicular language for international commerce in ideas and goods. The
French, who were for so long averse to learning other languages, have now
pretty much all recognized reality, by learning English. Tomorrow, we may
all need to learn Chinese. I'd have great difficulty with that, but if I
wanted to stay up with things, I wouldn't have any choice but to learn it. 

So, dear sir, please stop complaining about everything and allow others to
work according to their linguistic, intellectual and professional
capacities. You are not bound to have an opinion on EVERYTHING others say.

Ronald Koven, World Press Freedom Committee

PS I'm not translating this into English because there are limits to
energy, patience, etc. But if anyone feels it's worth doing, please feel
free to do  so.

PPS I note with some amusement that you didn't translate into English the
part of your message that was the most disobliging to journalists, which
follows:

"I don't believe in the priority given to journalists, to the detriment of
women, young people, old people, the handicapped, the unemployed or the
business elite."

There was a summit on women in Beijing. Maybe separate summits should
indeed be proposed on the problems of the young, the old, the handicapped,
the unemployed and the business elite. But, for pity's sake, lets not mix
everything up together, all the time.

Cher Monsieur Djilali --

Il s'agit d'un sommet au sujet de la communication, pas sur tous les autres
sujets tres importants de votre liste. Or, il se trouve que la
problematique des journalistes est au coeur de la Societ? de l'information
et qu'ils sont malmen?s en Tunisie. Sur d'autres questions, telle que le
statut des femmes, la Tunisie a plutot un tres bon bilan par rapport a
d'autres pays comparables.

Nous avons tres bien vu lors du processus de preparation du premier sommet
que des pays autoritaires deployaient leurs efforts surtout pour empecher
la reaffirmation de la libert? d'expression.

Si nous avions accepter votre approche, qui consiste a vouloir se battre
sur tous les front en meme temps sans se soucier du sujet central qui a ?t?
design? pour ce sommet-la, nous n'aurions pas pu reussir a faire en sorte
que la libert? de la presse et la libert? d'expression de facon generale ne
soient pas soumis a regression.


Je pense que Aidan White, qui represente tous les journalistes syndiqu?s du
monde entiere, a tout a fait raison d'ecrire ce qu'il a fait.

(Je pense neanmoins que la prochaine reunion a Tunis etant affich?e comme
une occasion pour parler de l'organisation et non de la substance, ce n'est
pas le moment d'ecrire ou de lire des declarations de principe.)

Mais votre approche consiste en fin de compte a interdire a tout le monde
de faire que que se soit tant qu'on ne s'occupe pas de tous les problemes

du monde en meme temps.

De la meme facon, votre campagne en faveur de l'expression francophone --
un but avec lequel je suis en entiere sympathie -- a ?t? extremement
contreproductive dans sa forme.

Depuis le temps de pheniciens, en passant pars les grecs, les romains, les
francais au Grand Siecle, les allemands dans le Mitteleuropa et la vie
universitaire mondiale du 19me siecle, et maintenant les anglo-americains,
il y a toujours eu une langue vehiculaire dominante pour le commerce
internationale des idees et des biens. Les francais, longtemps allergiques
a l'apprentissage d'une autre langue, se mettent a peu pres tous maintenant
a reconnaitre cette realit? en apprenant l'anglais. Demain nous aurions
peut-etre tous a apprendre le chinois. Moi, j'aurai alors beacoup de
difficult?, mais si je voudrai rester dans le coup, je n'aurai pas de
choix.

Alors, cher monsieur, cessez de vous plaindre a tout propos et laisser les
gens travailler au mieux de leurs possibilit?s -- linguistiques,
intellectuels et professionels. Vous n'etes pas forc? d'avoir une opinion
sur TOUT ce que disent les autres. 

Ronald Koven, World Press Freedom Committee

PS Je ne traduira pas ceci en anglais par ce que il y a des limites a
l'energie, la patience, etc. Mais s'il y a des personnes qui estime que
cela vaut la peine, libre a eux ...

PPS Je note avec un certain amusement que vous n'avez pas traduit en
anglais le passage plutot desobligeant pour les journalistes qui suit:

"Je ne crois pas en la priorit? donn?e aux journalistes
au d?triment des femmes, des jeunes, des vieux, des
ch?meurs ou des handicap?s ou de l'?lite et des
entrepreneurs."

Il y a deja eu un sommet sur les femmes, a Beijing. Il faudra peut-etre
bien proposer des sommets sur les problemes de jeunesse, de vieillesse, de
chomage, des handicap?s et de l'entreprise. Mais, de grace, ne melangeons
pas tout, tout le temps.

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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 26 13:59:27 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] remly to Translation of Djilali's message
In-Reply-To: <200402260804_MC3-1-7221-AFEB@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <20040226135927.76045.qmail@web60701.mail.yahoo.com>

Ok Ronald,
i took it and replied in French and approximative
English.
Let me add that the Information Summit is not the
journalist Summit ... there is place for the content
of information, the condition d'access to information
et the situation of those who produce the information
is as important than the situation of those who access
or cannot access to the information... as i know, the
summit of Coipenhagen on social issue has foccussed
its work on social issue in general and not on the
only situation of those who work in the sector....
All the best
Djilali
Je profite de ce message pour ajouter en direction du
cher Monsieur Ronald que lorsque le sommet de
Copenhague sur le social a eu lieu il en a été debattu
de tous les aspects du développement social et non pas
seulement du statut, revenu et conditions de travail
des travailleurs du social ! idem pour les autres
sommet et donc ni la société civile ni les opérateurs
privés ne laisseront la rencontre de Tunis se
focaliser sur le seul sort des journaliste dont je
respecte l'indépendance et le rôle moteur qu'elle joue
dans la défense des droits de l'homme et des droits
d'expression.
Amitiés
Djilali 
--- Ronald Koven <rkoven@compuserve.com> wrote:
> 
> Okay, in response to several comments/requests, I've
> given up and
> translated what I wrote Djilali last nite:
> 
> Dear Mr. Djilali --
> 
> This is a summit on the subject of communication,
> not on all the other very
> important subjects you list. The question of
> journalists is at the heart of
> of the Information Society, and they are being
> mistreated in Tunisia. On
> other questions, such as the status of women,
> Tunisia has a relatively good
> record, compared to like countries.
> 
> We clearly saw for ourselves during the preparatory
> process of the first
> summit that authoritarian countries worked above all
> to prevent the
> reaffirmation of freedom of expression.
> 
> If we had accepted your approach -- which amounts to
> wanting to fight on
> all fronts at once without focusing on the central
> topic set for that
> particular summit -- we wouldn't have succeeded in
> preventing backsliding
> on press freedom and freedom of expression
> generally.
> 
> I think that Aidan White, who represents all the
> world's unionized
> journalists, was entirely correct in writing what he
> did.
> 
> (I nevertheless think that, since the next meeting
> in Tunis is billed as a
> procedural discussion, not a substantive one, it's
> not the time to read out
> declarations of principle.)
> 
> Your approach amounts in the final analysis to
> banning anyone from doing
> anything at all if they don't address all the
> world's problems at once.
> 
> In much the same way, your campaign for the use of
> French -- a goal with
> which I'm entirely sympathetic -- has been very
> counterproductive in the
> form it took.
> 
> Since the Phoenicians, followed by the Greeks,
> Romans, the 18th Century
> French, the 19th Century Germans in Central Europe
> and the world's leading
> universities, and now the Anglo-Americans, there has
> always been a dominant
> vehicular language for international commerce in
> ideas and goods. The
> French, who were for so long averse to learning
> other languages, have now
> pretty much all recognized reality, by learning
> English. Tomorrow, we may
> all need to learn Chinese. I'd have great difficulty
> with that, but if I
> wanted to stay up with things, I wouldn't have any
> choice but to learn it. 
> 
> So, dear sir, please stop complaining about
> everything and allow others to
> work according to their linguistic, intellectual and
> professional
> capacities. You are not bound to have an opinion on
> EVERYTHING others say.
> 
> Ronald Koven, World Press Freedom Committee
> 
> PS I'm not translating this into English because
> there are limits to
> energy, patience, etc. But if anyone feels it's
> worth doing, please feel
> free to do  so.
> 
> PPS I note with some amusement that you didn't
> translate into English the
> part of your message that was the most disobliging
> to journalists, which
> follows:
> 
> "I don't believe in the priority given to
> journalists, to the detriment of
> women, young people, old people, the handicapped,
> the unemployed or the
> business elite."
> 
> There was a summit on women in Beijing. Maybe
> separate summits should
> indeed be proposed on the problems of the young, the
> old, the handicapped,
> the unemployed and the business elite. But, for
> pity's sake, lets not mix
> everything up together, all the time.
> 
> Cher Monsieur Djilali --
> 
> Il s'agit d'un sommet au sujet de la communication,
> pas sur tous les autres
> sujets tres importants de votre liste. Or, il se
> trouve que la
> problematique des journalistes est au coeur de la
> Societé de l'information
> et qu'ils sont malmenés en Tunisie. Sur d'autres
> questions, telle que le
> statut des femmes, la Tunisie a plutot un tres bon
> bilan par rapport a
> d'autres pays comparables.
> 
> Nous avons tres bien vu lors du processus de
> preparation du premier sommet
> que des pays autoritaires deployaient leurs efforts
> surtout pour empecher
> la reaffirmation de la liberté d'expression.
> 
> Si nous avions accepter votre approche, qui consiste
> a vouloir se battre
> sur tous les front en meme temps sans se soucier du
> sujet central qui a été
> designé pour ce sommet-la, nous n'aurions pas pu
> reussir a faire en sorte
> que la liberté de la presse et la liberté
> d'expression de facon generale ne
> soient pas soumis a regression.
> 
> 
> Je pense que Aidan White, qui represente tous les
> journalistes syndiqués du
> monde entiere, a tout a fait raison d'ecrire ce
> qu'il a fait.
> 
> (Je pense neanmoins que la prochaine reunion a Tunis
> etant affichée comme
> une occasion pour parler de l'organisation et non de
> la substance, ce n'est
> pas le moment d'ecrire ou de lire des declarations
> de principe.)
> 
> Mais votre approche consiste en fin de compte a
> interdire a tout le monde
> de faire que que se soit tant qu'on ne s'occupe pas
> de tous les problemes
> 
> du monde en meme temps.
> 
> De la meme facon, votre campagne en faveur de
> l'expression francophone --
> un but avec lequel je suis en entiere sympathie -- a
> été extremement
> contreproductive dans sa forme.
> 
> Depuis le temps de pheniciens, en passant pars les
> grecs, les romains, les
> francais au Grand Siecle, les allemands dans le
> Mitteleuropa et la vie
> universitaire mondiale du 19me siecle, et maintenant
> les anglo-americains,
> il y a toujours eu une langue vehiculaire dominante
> pour le commerce
> internationale des idees et des biens. Les francais,
> longtemps allergiques
> a l'apprentissage d'une autre langue, se mettent a
> peu pres tous maintenant
> a reconnaitre cette realité en apprenant l'anglais.
> Demain nous aurions
> peut-etre tous a apprendre le chinois. Moi, j'aurai
> alors beacoup de
> difficulté, mais si je voudrai rester dans le coup,
> je n'aurai pas de
> choix.
> 
> Alors, cher monsieur, cessez de vous plaindre a tout
> propos et laisser les
> gens travailler au mieux de leurs possibilités --
> linguistiques,
> intellectuels et professionels. Vous n'etes pas
> forcé d'avoir une opinion
> sur TOUT ce que disent les autres. 
> 
> Ronald Koven, World Press Freedom Committee
> 
> PS Je ne traduira pas ceci en anglais par ce que il
> y a des limites a
> l'energie, la patience, etc. Mais s'il y a des
> personnes qui estime que
> cela vaut la peine, libre a eux ...
> 
> PPS Je note avec un certain amusement que vous
> n'avez pas traduit en
> anglais le passage plutot desobligeant pour les
> journalistes 
=== message truncated ===


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From christine.wenzel at web.de  Thu Feb 26 15:15:49 2004
From: christine.wenzel at web.de (christine wenzel)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Uzebkistan contact
Message-ID: <200402261515.i1QFFnQ19185@mailgate5.cinetic.de>

[quelque chose comme francais ci-dessous]  ;)

Hi list, 

today I had a disussion with a PhD student from uzbekistan.
It'll be helpful for him if he knew wsis-acive people at home.

Are there any cs-people from Uzbekistan on the list or does anyone of you have contact adresses?
Thanks for your support!

Rgds,
Christine

Bauhaus-Universit?t
German Coordination Group for WSIS


-------------
(je vais essayer en francais *uiuiui* - pardonnez moi avant)
salut list
je cherche les personnes de Uzbekistan qui travaille dans le WSIS-contexte - j'ai rencontr? un garcon de la, qui va a ecrit son th?se de doctorat.

Est-ce que vous connait quelqun de Uzbekistan? 
je vous remerci pour votre aide aimable!

Christine
Bauhaus-Universit?t
German Coordination Group

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From sburch at alainet.org  Thu Feb 26 18:31:12 2004
From: sburch at alainet.org (Sally Burch - ALAI)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Informal CS Bureau Meeting, ITU, 26 Februa
Message-ID: <200402261901.i1QJ1aC09967@mweb.alainet.org>

I am forwarding the report of the CT representatives at the CS 
bureau meeting in Geneva today.  Sally
-------------------

This is a quick summary by Chris Zielinski, edited by Thomas Ruddy, from
notes of the informal CS Bureau Meeting held in ITU on 26 February. A report
will be provided by the Bureau in due course. In the interests of protecting
the guilty, I do not attribute the following remarks to anybody, nor are the
opinions expressed necessarily mine.

18 people attended the meeting, including representatives from a number of
CS Bureau Families. Francis Muguet, Wolfgang Kleinwaechter, Thomas Ruddy and
Chris Zielinski attended from the CT group. Alain Clerc of the Civil Society
Division of the Executive Secretariat presided.

The following Agenda was proposed for the meeting: 1) Information on Phase
II, 2) Practical and financial arrangements, 3) CS Bureau evaluation for
Phase 1, and 4) CS Bureau communication. In practice, most of the 90 minutes
was spent on item 1.

The bottom line is that there is no clear leadership in place in the run up
to the WSIS Phase 2 Summit in Tunis. 

According to General Assembly Resolution 56-183, the first Phase of the
Summit was to elaborate a declaration and action plan, while no clear
objective was set for Phase 2. It is not even clear if the coordinating
group set up for Phase 1 (the "Executive Secretariat") was to carry on to
Phase 2. 

For civil society, the picture is a bit simpler. The CS Bureau was set up at
PrepCom 2, and it has been developed in reaction to discussions. This is the
first such Civil Society Bureau ever, and is an experiment. Along with the
Bureau, some 20 "families" were established. Some of these are geographical,
representing particular regions, and the rest are sectoral. 

It had been agreed that the situation would be reconsidered after Phase 1 -
both in terms of the objectives of Phase 2 and the procedural and structural
aspects, such as the CS Bureau.

Technically speaking, Phase 2 started immediately on the conclusion of the
Geneva phase on 13 December. Since that time, not much has happened in terms
of establishing the framework for phase 2. A decision was taken to have a
PrepCom in the first six months of 2004 (this is in the Action Plan that was
adopted at the Geneva Summit), but nobody seems to be driving it forward.
The Tunisian government wants to hold this as soon as possible, while the
ITU Secretariat argues for a July date.

Governments are unclear about the process towards Tunis, and the ITU,
although it was accorded the leading managerial role in the UN Resolution,
seems to have lost heart, i.e. is in a funding crisis itself. 

There are a number of reasons for the ITU's changed perception of it role.
At the end of Phase 1, ITU DG Yoshio Utsumi decided that Pierre Gagn? should
no longer continue as Executive Secretary of WSIS. Utsumi took the role for
himself, assisted by Charles Geiger (Swiss Government appointee) and T.
Nakaya (Japanese Government appointee). 

Although the ITU had fought hard to get the lead role, it gradually
recognized that relatively little of the dissuasion at WSIS-1 was related to
ITU's narrow mandate. Given its lack of funds and lack of political will or
skills (as a purely technical agency), the ITU has been increasingly
unwilling to go it alone. 

This is clearly reflected in a paper just posted on the ITU website ("ITU
Role in Preparing for the Tunis phase of the WSIS" at
http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/wsis_WG.html):

"It is proposed that the ITU should focus on those action lines that relate
specifically to its mandate; it should not assume a lead role, but
contribute to possible global mechanisms established to follow-up on and
monitor the results of the Geneva phase".

ITU has indeed been trying to get out of shouldering the full financial and
managerial burden of organizing the conference. Utsumi went to Kofi Annan to
ask him to ensure that other organizations contributed to WSIS activities
and budget, but Annan made no response. The ITU wanted it, got it, and
should now do it.

In consequence, Governments have had no guidance or proposals for future
work at this point.. While the Swiss Government could afford to spend
significant sums in support of WSIS 1, Tunisia is not able to be so
forthcoming for WSIS 2.

In the absence of guidance from the Secretariat, the Tunisian Government has
been acting independently, with mixed results. Two ideas were put on the
table:

1. The Tunis Summit should concentrate on a "new charter" - but nobody has
specified exactly what this is. Another declaration?
2. A regional approach should be adopted.

There has been no real discussion of these ideas, and it is not clear who if
anyone supports them.

There is also activity at the regional level: in Lyon with its "Cities
United" project (convening again in May in Paris), Italy on finance and
Barcelona working on cultural diversity.

The Bureau feels that the second phase should develop a thematic approach.
An alternative or supplementary approach would be to consider Tunis to be an
implementation conference (a Tunis +2, analogous to the Environmental
Summit's +5), although this is really a short time frame in which to see any
real implementation of the Plan of Action.

Two action groups have been proposed:

1. An action group on financial maters (under the auspices of Kofi Annan)
2. An action group on Internet Governance (under the auspices of ITU)

The UN's ICT Task Force, which is meeting shortly (early April) could take a
look at these proposals and make recommendations about how to move forward.
Failing this, the next PrepCom would tackle this, which would mean that for
all practical purposes the Working Groups could not be constituted much
before October 2004 and report in June 2005.

So it is now being proposed to take advantage of next week's brainstorming
in Tunis to push these proposals. In particular, civil society should have
the same role as in the first Phase in establishing the agenda for the next
Summit, as Tunisian Ambassador Mansour announced at a NGOCONGO briefing a
week ago. Concrete proposals should come from civil society now.

In summary, the Bureau supports the thematic approach, feels that the
working groups should be mobilized at once, and stresses the need for civil
society to participate fully in all upcoming phases of work towards, and at,
the Tunis Summit.

Among the financial proposals, Louise Lassonde said "We are working hard to
get resources. We have considered opening up a fund for CS participation. We
could apply for InfoDev funding."

Some explanations were given about the two e-mail lists founded for WSIS
(both in the same week), the lack of archives at bureau@geneve2003.org, and
the like. Technical reasons were blamed for the lack of archives. In any
case, Louise Lassonde announced that a new list going live in the next few
days at bureau@tunis2005.org would address these issues and provide an open
archive.

Wolfgang Kleinwaechter called for issuing a warning statement to the Tunis
brainstorming session. It would not come from the CS Bureau, but rather the
CT Group. It would complain about the lack of follow-up, which governments
and international organizations should be undertaking. Governments should
not shirk their responsibility. CS only wanted to share responsibility. It
is unrealistic to expect CS to take the lead.
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From rguerra at cpsr.org  Thu Feb 26 18:47:35 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Informal CS Bureau Meeting, ITU, 26 Februa
In-Reply-To: <200402261901.i1QJ1aC09967@mweb.alainet.org>
References: <200402261901.i1QJ1aC09967@mweb.alainet.org>
Message-ID: <2147483647.1077803255@[192.168.0.55]>

Sally, thanks for this. Have posted a copy  to the WSIS Wiki i've setup.
<http://cms.privaterra.org/WSIS>

I've also setup a Wiki for the upcoming Tunis meeting - i'll update the 
site as best as i can with copies of correspondence, who's there, and 
any  documents of relevance.

URL is as follows:
<http://cms.privaterra.org/WSIS_MTG_Tunisia_0304>

Wiki's being the way they are - collaborative - I make it available for 
those who would like to use it as well.

regards

Robert


--On Thursday, February 26, 2004 1:31 PM -0500 Sally Burch - ALAI 
<sburch@alainet.org> wrote:

> I am forwarding the report of the CT representatives at the CS
> bureau meeting in Geneva today.  Sally
> -------------------



From amalidesilva at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 26 18:58:02 2004
From: amalidesilva at yahoo.com (Amali De Silva)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: Additional comments Re: [WSIS-EUC] Fwd: A way forward for the CS structure - a suggestion - [WSIS CS-Plenary] (absence of) suggestion for Tunis meeting
In-Reply-To: <13707.1077793567@www28.gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20040226185802.91981.qmail@web21321.mail.yahoo.com>

It is called a "tool" because it helps focus ones attention in a particular manner which enables clarity of  thought and brain-storming process: Here is an example of it:
 
WSIS - CS - SWOT Analysis of the current structure ( a few brief points - it has to be fully developed with all participants )  
 

Strengths 

1. We have a structure already in place – we don’t have to start from scratch

2. We have committed people

3. It has managed to produce a CS document in phase 1 for presentation to the Govt. plenary

Weaknesses

1. Confusion between families and caucuses

2. Organizers may be unaware of the reporting mechanism / representation of the structure

Opportunities

1. We are in to a new phase – best time to consider a re-structure

2. We have a large number of committed members who want to move forward

Threats

   Limited time before we have to formalize a structure – will it lead to disarray
   Insufficient volunteer man – hours / cohesively of CS thought – may lead to structure crumbling

And so on – each section has to be developed fully and then we would then have a map of where we stand and where we can go!

I share this with the plenary as well.

Thank you ! 

Amali De Silva – Mitchell 


christoph bruch <c.bruch@gmx.de> wrote:
Amali:

I still do not understand to which tool you are referring.

Is it an electronic tool - like a wiki? 

Please be more specific.

Christoph

> > 2) Carry out a SWOT ( strenghs, weaknesses, opportunities, threats )
> > analysis of our current Civil Society co-ordination structure using a
> > universally available collaboration tool.
> keen to know more about :
> 
> * the tool being mentioned

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From: sburch at alainet.org (Sally Burch - ALAI)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Final edited version of the CS Declaration
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All,

The CT drafting team has made a final revision of the CS Declaration to correct a few 
minor editing errors.  The Final Version of the Declaration is now available at:

http://mboom.draper.albany.edu/~mciver/WSIS/CS_CT/Summit_2003/Declaration

If you have the Declaration on your website, please update it to this version.

There is also a version that allows you to visualize the corrections if you so wish.

The translations are also being revised and will be posted shortly.

Thanks to all who have helped.

Regards,

Sally Burch


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From alalegre at fma.ph  Fri Feb 27 01:43:19 2004
From: alalegre at fma.ph (Alan G. Alegre)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] wats a wiki :-)
References: <200402261901.i1QJ1aC09967@mweb.alainet.org> <2147483647.1077803255@[192.168.0.55]>
Message-ID: <004e01c3fcd3$144e9860$0d00a8c0@fma>

Hi Robert

For the benefit of others on the list not so technically adept (such as me):
pls explain the nature and advantages of a "WIKI"

Thanks
Al

----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Guerra <rguerra@cpsr.org>
To: <ct@wsis-cs.org>
Cc: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Informal CS Bureau Meeting, ITU, 26 Februa


> Sally, thanks for this. Have posted a copy  to the WSIS Wiki i've setup.
> <http://cms.privaterra.org/WSIS>
>
> I've also setup a Wiki for the upcoming Tunis meeting - i'll update the
> site as best as i can with copies of correspondence, who's there, and
> any  documents of relevance.
>
> URL is as follows:
> <http://cms.privaterra.org/WSIS_MTG_Tunisia_0304>
>
> Wiki's being the way they are - collaborative - I make it available for
> those who would like to use it as well.
>
> regards
>
> Robert
>
>
> --On Thursday, February 26, 2004 1:31 PM -0500 Sally Burch - ALAI
> <sburch@alainet.org> wrote:
>
> > I am forwarding the report of the CT representatives at the CS
> > bureau meeting in Geneva today.  Sally
> > -------------------
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
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From eric at civicus.org  Wed Feb 25 10:15:56 2004
From: eric at civicus.org (Eric Muragana)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [WSIS THETHA] CIVICUS World Assembly
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From wellings at epic.org  Thu Feb 26 19:04:11 2004
From: wellings at epic.org (Frannie Wellings)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Summary of Public Voice WSIS call 2/20
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Summary of the Public Voice 2nd Teleconference on "WSIS and Civil Society"
February 20, 2004


On February 20th, the Public Voice held the second meeting to discuss 
civil society involvement in the WSIS process.  Participating were 
Deborah Hurley, Rikke Frank Joergensen (EDRI), Robert Guerra 
(Privaterra), Nathan Mitchler (Public Knowledge), Marc Rotenberg 
(EPIC), Frannie Wellings (EPIC), YJ Park, Milton Mueller (Syracuse), 
Andy Carvin (Benton), Chris Chiu (ACLU), and Becky Lentz (Ford 
Foundation).  Thank you to Deborah for moderating and to Rikke and 
Robert for providing very useful updates.

The Next Public Voice Meeting will be coordinated alongside the UN 
ICT meeting in NY (both in person and via telephone). It will 
probably take place at the Ford Foundation on March 24 or 25, 2004. 
Please let me know if you will be in NY at this time - it seems 
opportune for a civil society strategy meeting.  Confirmation on 
date/time/agenda still to come.

Summary:
I. Updates
II. Report from Civil Society Plenary
III. Discussion of Internet Governance and Upcoming UN meetings
IV. Addressing issues from last meeting
V. Organizing Around Upcoming Events
VI.  Needs/Next Steps


I. Updates
Robert Guerra's reported on Recent Canadian meeting:
The Canadian government under UNESCO organized a civil society 
debriefing in Ottawa on January 23rd.  They brought together 
participants to discuss the process so far in terms of civil 
society's organizing and challenges and what Canada should do next. 
In the second phase, the Canadians see a problem in terms of 
stakeholders - Canadian business wasn't as present as they expected 
in the first phase.  It was said that the Declaration and Action Plan 
would not be reopened according to governments.  There are now only 
two concrete issues that will be dealt with, financing and Internet 
governance. There are no modalities for oversight of the Action Plan 
- the process is decentralized and there are a number of initiatives.
Coming up:
There will be an informal, brainstorming meeting on March 4-5 in 
Tunisia. They want the Bureau to attend, but there are few funds for 
travel. Very few people are able to go due to lacking funds, and 
others are avoiding Tunisia for human rights reasons.  Robert will be 
attending this meeting and will report back.
There will be a WSIS civil society meeting in Berlin, Germany in 
March, but without a funded Bureau, travel opportunities and even 
discussions are sparse.  Robert thinks the new bureau will probably 
pick a new president, though Deborah Hurley pointed out that 
Sammassekou was appointed for the entire WSIS process.
Regarding the next preparatory meeting, the Tunisians want April 
while the ITU wants June or July.  Most people involved want it to be 
held in either New York City or Geneva. 



II. Report from the Plenary
Rikke discussed the UN ICT Global Forum in New York in March.  (On 
the Human Rights Plenary list, I read that the February ITU meeting 
is an internal technical ITU workshop to feed into the UN ICT Task 
Force Open Forum in New York, 25-27 March, on Internet Governance. 
It is not directly part of the WSIS 2 preparatory process, but its 
outcome will help determine the Secretary General's appointment of 
the Internet Governance working group.)  While Saturday's meeting is 
closed, the 25th and 26th are open to public participation.  Several 
government delegates will attend, many from Europe and the US. 
Rikke mentioned frustration with the Bureau family structure, with 
the involvement of family members rather than caucus members.  The 
human rights caucus should apply for a formal role in the Internet 
Governance working group.
Robert said that the Latin America regional plenary list is very 
active, though there is a great deal of frustration that so many of 
the documents are only in English.


III. Internet Governance
Milton Mueller led this very informative discussion of Internet 
governance and the upcoming UN ICT Task Force forum.  He feels that 
the only concrete accomplishment of WSIS I was the establishment of 
an Internet governance working group.  The two documents, the 
Declaration and the Plan of Action, won't be reopened.  He feels that 
the broad range of information and communication concerns will have 
to be, and can be, addressed through the question of Internet 
governance.  The concept of Internet governance is very broad and can 
concretely address issues such as Voice Over IP, Spam, and content 
controls.  We're looking at an International framework/agreement for 
the governance of the Internet. 
The ITU meeting will take place on February 26th and 27th with 
experts presenting, most of whom are critical of ICANN.  Milton will 
also be presenting.   The UN ICT Task Force will become the 
secretariat of the working group, which Kofi Annan will select.  The 
UN ICT forum is shaping up to be a big meeting. Milton's not sure how 
they selected invitees, but said some invitations must have channeled 
through the WSIS civil society groups such as the Internet Governance 
caucus.  He said it doesn't appear to be horribly selective.  Deborah 
Hurley suggested the working group might be supplanting the Tunisia 
phase.
Milton stressed his belief that Internet Governance issues touch on 
more than just the ICANN question, but also most other issues 
involved in the World Summit, such as privacy and censorship.  All of 
the human rights issues may be brought into the framework of Internet 
Governance.  Progressive communities are not unified on IG, with 
divergence on model of representation, for example.  Milton stressed 
the need for a more unified strategy. 
People on the call agreed that many issues may be tied up in Internet 
Governance, that the working group is extremely significant, and 
civil society needs to be involved pushing a human rights perspective 
in the working group.  It is unknown whether this will be the only 
point of significance, however. The CS Internet governance caucus has 
already sent a letter to Mr Kofi Annan to express its willing to 
participate in the Internet governance working group.  (As far as I 
know right now, the Human Rights caucus is considering doing the 
same.)
There is still an Internet Governance civil society caucus list, 
though most discussion is not on there, but is on the plenary list. 
Anyone from civil society who is following the Internet governance 
working group process can get involved with the Non-Commercial Users 
Constituency of ICANN.  The NCUC is civil society's body there. The 
NCUC will be holding a meeting in Rome on March 2nd (more information 
below).

Goals for the UN ICT Task Force Global Forum in New York in March

 Consensus of principles

 Openness of Internet Governance working group process

 Involvement of civil society caucuses including internet governance 
and human rights caucuses

 A Civil Society meeting alongside the forum

IV. Addressing issues from last meeting:

-Additions to the current list of allies
We discussed the list of allies (Samessekou, Tunisian Human Rights 
League, Geneva, Youth, Governments such as Canada, Switzerland, and 
others, International organizations such as UNESCO, UNHCHR, Council 
of Europe, and the EC, Media activists, Human Rights groups).  Robert 
suggested we recruit some smaller business interests who may have 
like-minded thinking to show we too can put together a 
multi-stakeholder approach.


-Prioritization of Issues:
We decided to organize the list of issues under a human rights 
framework.  Robert suggested we add linguistic diversity to the list 
of issues.

Human Rights:

 ? Access to technology

 ? Access to information

 ? Cyber Security

 ? Digital Divide

 ? Freedom of expression

 ? Freedom of movement

 ? Freedom of association

 ? Internet Governance

 ? Linguistic Diversity

 ? Media ownership and concentration

 ? NGO empowerment and participation in international governance

 ? Privacy

 ? Public Domain/Intellectual Property

 ? Right to education

 ? Right to work

 ? Right to development

 ? Surveillance




V. Organizing Around Upcoming Events -
The calendar of events that may be useful for civil society 
organization, networking, promotion, presence, etc. has been updated. 
See below.  It is now also displayed on the Public Voice web site: 
http://www.thepublicvoice.org/events/2004_csonetwork.html.  Please 
send me any other events and I'll continue to update it. 

2004

*	February 26-27: ITU Internet Governance Workshop ?
*	February 27-29: New York City Grassroots Media Conference, New York ?
*	March 2-6: ICANN meeting, Rome, Italy ?
*	March 2: Meeting of ICANN's Non-Commercial Users 
Constituency, Rome, Italy ?
*	March 2-3: Disney Shareholders Meeting, Philadelphia, PA ?
*	March 13: "Can Media Artists Survive Media Consolidation?" 
Conference, Beverly Hills, California ?
*	March 15 - April 23: Commission on Human Rights, Geneva ?
*	March 17: FCC Hearing, Monterey, California ?
*	March 22-23: "Implementing the WSIS Action Plan" Conference, Nairobi ?
*	March 22-26: Kenya ICT National Convention, Nairobi ?
*	March 24-25: Internet Commons Congress, Washington, D.C. ?
*	March 25-26: UN ICT Task Force Global Forum on Internet 
Governance, New York City ?
*	March 25-27: Nonprofit Technology Conference, Philadelphia, PA ?
*	March 26-28: "Designs on Democracy: Communication for 
Liberation," Berkeley, California ?
*	March 26-28: Yale Law "CyberCrime and Digital Law 
Enforcement" Conference, New Haven, Conn. ?
*	April 2-4: Labortech 2004 Conference, San Francisco, California ?
*	April 17-22: National Association of Broadcasters Meetings, 
Las Vegas, Nevada ?
*	April 19-23: 4th World Summit on Media for Children and 
Adolescents, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil ?
*	April 20-23: Computers, Freedom and Privacy Conference, 
Berkeley, California ?
*	April 21-24: National Federation of Community Radio 
Broadcasters Conference, Albuquerque, New Mexico ?
*	April 22-25: Union for Democratic Communications Conference, 
"The Axis of Empire," St. Louis, Missouri ?
*	April 26-28: Council on Foundations 55th Annual Conference, 
Toronto, Ontario ?
*	April 30-May 1: "The Revolution Will Not Be Funded: Beyond 
The Non-Profit Industrial Complex," Santa Barbara, CA ?
*	May 2-4: Future of Music Coalition Policy Summit 2004, Washington, DC ?
*	May 20-23: EPIC's 10th Anniversary Conference, Washington, DC ?
*	May 27-31: 54th Annual Conference of the International 
Communications Association, "Communication in the Public Interest," 
New Orleans, LA ?
*	June 7-8: Organization of American States General Assembly, 
Quito, Ecuador ?
*	June 18: Conference of Scholars on Human Rights and the 
Information Society, Montreal ?
*	June 18-20: Allied Media Conference, Bowling Green, Ohio ?
*	June?: Media Justice Summit ?
*	July 1-4: "Declaring Media Independence" ACME Summit, San 
Francisco, California ?
*	July 7-10: The Alliance for Community Media, International 
Conference and Trade Show, Tampa, Florida ?
*	July 13-16: 8th International Conference of the International 
Society for Knowledge Organization, London, England ?
*	July 20-25: OURmedia Conference, Porto Alegre, Brazil ?
*	July 25-30: Intl'l Association for Media and Communication 
Research Conference, Porto Alegre ?
*	July 25-30: 1st Americas Social Forum, Quito, Ecuador ?
*	November ?: European Social Forum, London ?

2005

*	November: WSIS Phase 2, Tunisia ?


We discussed holding a Public Voice meeting alongside the UN ITC 
meeting in New York on March 24th or 25th, as many civil society 
groups will be in New York for the this forum. The Ford Foundation is 
willing to give us space - we're waiting for the ITC Task Force to 
put up an agenda for their forum before we discuss a time/day.
In addition, a proposal has been submitted to the Computers, Freedom 
and Privacy 2004 conference in April in California for a workshop on 
civil society participation in the WSIS. There is discussion of a 
meeting alongside the event or possibly workshops at universities in 
the area.
EPIC's annual conference will be held in Washington, DC on May 20th 
to 23rd, which will also include a concentration on WSIS issues. 
There is an opportunity to meet then as well.
The Non-Commercial Users Constituency of ICANN, the civil society 
representatives, will be meeting in Rome on March 2 at the ICANN 
conference. More information is available at 
http://www.ncdnhc.org/meetings/2004/2004_meeting.htm - anyone in Rome 
at that time should join the meeting, if possible.  The NCUC is 
another way for NGOs to keep involved in the Internet governance 
process/discussion.  ICANN's at-large committee will be holding a 
forum on WSIS on March 4th at the Rome meeting, in cooperation with 
the business community.


VI.  Next Steps/Needs

Outreach/Coordination
We still need to check in with other Civil Society groups? improve 
outreach to and mobilization of NGOs and networking with developing 
countries.  It was suggested people begin to take responsibility for 
coordinating with people from other countries.
We still need to engage with Social Justice Groups.
The list of events around which NGO / civil society work could be 
furthered is now on the Public Voice web site, but in its current 
form it is heavily focused on those involved in ICT's rather than 
other social justice events.
We need to circulate the Civil Society Declaration and the Sourcebook

Effectiveness of Civil Society Participation:
We need to coordinate with Plenary the best way to improve our 
structure/representation in the next phase - Robert's going to 
initiate this coordination on the Plenary list.   We need to discuss 
structure, involvement, particularly of candidates from CS itself, 
and funding.	Unfortunately we're still looking at process rather 
than substance, which will have to change shortly if we're going to 
be effective.  But, related to process, we discussed three issues 
related to the structure/make-up of Civil Society: the need to be 
better organized within civil society, representation of the civil 
society secretariat, and representation within the Bureau.
Robert mentioned we could suggest to the secretariat that we 
coordinate ourselves this time.  It's important that civil society 
runs 'itself' and is not managed as much, but this hasn't been dealt 
with yet.  We need to grasp all possibilities of funding for travel, 
such as foundations and governments.  We also need to look ahead to 
trade talks, etc.  We need to better understand how to interact with 
the UN.  In New York, networking will be difficult, constrained by 
the physical access to people due to building structure/security.  We 
should do some intelligence seeking - what's going on and where's the 
support.  We need to work on outreach and analyze our limitations. 
Where do we dedicate resources if Tunis isn't ever going to happen?
Many folks are currently working to articulate how civil society can 
participate more effectively - we need to keep this up, build on it, 
and coordinate it.  The Human Dignity in the Information Society 
group will follow-up in June at the Montreal academic meeting. 
Deborah Hurley said the Human Rights Caucus has been bringing 
standards forward? economic, social and cultural rights.  She brought 
up the question of global research projects digging into these 
aspects, but again, coordination is necessary.
Robert suggested we start recording this process and compile a civil 
society report detailing our intervention and assessing the results. 
It could be connected to the academic work and a summary of our 
movement, meetings, and actions.

In Terms of Current Process:
We need to be significantly involved in the Internet Governance 
working group process, with participation by civil society caucuses 
such as the human rights caucus.  As mentioned previously, the CS 
Internet governance caucus has already sent a letter to Mr Kofi Annan 
to express it is willing to participate in the Internet governance 
working group.  We need to make sure that this is the case, and try 
and make sure that the human rights caucus is also involved.
We also need to get together and identify specific needs for 
resources, such as travel funds.  Becky Lentz said this would be 
useful for foundations such as Ford.  While it would not guarantee 
that any funds would be distributed, it would identify needs and help 
map their future funding.

Future meetings:
UN ICT Forum: Public Voice meeting alongside the UN ITC meeting in 
New York on March 25th or 26th.  Many civil society groups will be in 
New York for the this forum so it will be both a physical meeting as 
well as via telephone. The Ford Foundation is willing to give us 
space - we're waiting for the ITC to put up an agenda for their forum 
before we discuss a time/day.
CFP meeting: Organize side-by-side meetings with people in the area? 
San Francisco based organizations, students and maybe even businesses.

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From vanoeyen at hetnet.nl  Thu Feb 26 09:01:19 2004
From: vanoeyen at hetnet.nl (Victor van Oeyen)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Declaration -- Endorsement List - ALER
In-Reply-To: <7414FB05C3419C42931F0911BE79061D196214@wacc-commserver.wac
 c.org.uk>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040226100119.008e1810@pop.hetnet.nl>

hi all,

Due to some kind of mistake, we are not on the endorsement list for the
Civil Society Declaration. As WACC and RITS weren't on it either (being
both active promoters of participation in CS), I assume there ara a big
number of absent endorsers.....   So, perhaps, it would be an idea to make
one more active round to gather endorsements...?

Could you please be so kind to put us on it? Once again congratulations
with the very good job. 

ALER - Asociaci?n Latinoamericana de Educaci?n Radiof?nica
Calle Vallodalid # Madrid
Quito - Ecuador
Nestor Busso (encuentro@impsat1.com.ar)
Victor van Oeyen (vanoeyen@hetnet.nl)

At 08:09 23-2-2004 -0000, you wrote:
>Hope that it is not too late to include the endorsement from the World
>Association for Christian Communication (WACC), 357 Kennington Lane,
>London SE11 5QY, UK. Pradip Thomas (pt@wacc.org.uk)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On
>Behalf Of Bill McIver, University at Albany
>Sent: 21 February 2004 22:03
>To: WSIS Civil Society Plenary List
>Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Declaration -- Endorsement List
>
>
>All,
>
>I finally have a compilation of all of the
>endorsements sent to ct-endorse@wsis-cs.org.
>
>Please review the draft at:
>http://mboom.draper.albany.edu/%7Emciver/WSIS/CSDeclaration/Summit/Final
>/endorsements.rtf
>
>
>Let me know if there should be changed made to your entry.
>
>It is in two sections: I. organizations and II. individuals
>
>There are a few individual endorsements for which no
>contact or other information came through.
>(I don't think these were spam.)
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>WJM
>-- 
>
>Bill McIver
>Assistant Professor
>School of Information Science and Policy
>University at Albany, State University of New York
>Albany, New York 12222
>USA
>
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From rguerra at cpsr.org  Fri Feb 27 03:02:11 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] wats a wiki :-)
In-Reply-To: <004e01c3fcd3$144e9860$0d00a8c0@fma>
References: <200402261901.i1QJ1aC09967@mweb.alainet.org>
 <2147483647.1077803255@[192.168.0.55]>
 <004e01c3fcd3$144e9860$0d00a8c0@fma>
Message-ID: <2147483647.1077832931@[192.168.0.55]>


--On Friday, February 27, 2004 9:43 AM +0800 "Alan G. Alegre" 
<alalegre@fma.ph> wrote:

> Hi Robert
>
> For the benefit of others on the list not so technically adept (such
> as me): pls explain the nature and advantages of a "WIKI"
>
> Thanks
> Al

Al:


the best way i can put it, is that a wiki site allows for web pages - 
content - to be edited by anyone with version control.

that way, anyone can enter content, make changes - but one can see what 
changes were made and my whom.

Given the amount of text CS tends to generate - i thought a tool of this 
sort would be useful. But before it can be recommended - well, though 
i'd setup a page for my own content to see if it is as easy as 
supporters say it is.

Colleagues at IBM and other tech companies are using wikis for 
collaborative documentation. perhaps it might be useful for us? perhaps 
not, let' see.

regards

Robert




Here's a reference:

<http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiGettingStartedFaq>

Q: So what is this Wiki thing?

 A: A collection of Web pages which can be edited by anyone, at any 
time, from anywhere.

 Q: Let me get this straight: Absolutely anyone can just come along and 
put whatever they like on any page?

 A: Yes they can! It's essential to how this wiki runs. However, we 
prefer that people exercise some self-restraint and put comments & edits 
only on the pages where they belong. If you're just in the mood to test 
out the Wiki software, you are encouraged to play in the 
WikiWikiSandbox; keep your TextFormattingRules handy.

 If you just want to dive into contributing to the discussion on the 
rest of this wiki, well you're welcome to do that, too.

 Q: But what is a Wiki good for?

 A:
	? 	 Most webpages are less than perfect. If it is a Wiki-page and you 
are annoyed by something, you can just hit the edit-button and change it 
for the better! Over time, the site gets a lot better!

	? 	 Many people can contribute to documentation about something very 
easily.

	? 	 If we discuss something in a web forum, we can collect all the 
important arguments on a wiki-page very easily. On this page, you will 
probably get an overview about all the arguments much better than by 
reading a long thread in a forum.


 Q: Doesn't allowing multiple people to edit the same page at the same 
time often cause one person's changes to cancel out the changes someone 
else may have just made? For instance, if two people save edits to a 
page at about the same time, which ever one saves last would overwrite 
the changes that the person who saved first had just made.

 A: Some wikis, including this one, detect and prevent that occurring.
 Q: Is it okay to add text to a page, in order to learn how to do it and 
nothing more?

 A: That's what the WikiWikiSandbox is for. Try it!

 Q: How can I reduce the risk of losing my contribution?

 A1: Don't overload a WikiPage with contributions. Insert a link to your 
contribution on a separate page. Select and copy the text before saving 
so it's stashed on your clipboard. Or, even better, write small and 
concise contributions so that you are encouraged to rewrite them more 
concisely when you lose them.


 Q: What is the advantages of Wiki over newsgroups, specially when used 
among a small number of people? How is Wiki different from a newsgroup?

 A: The big difference is that newsgroups only allow you to append. 
Wikis allow you to edit anything, even previous posts. Newsgroups are 
strictly ThreadMode; wikis allow you to use DocumentMode.

 Q: How do I start a new Wiki page?

 A: Edit an existing page (like the WikiWikiSandbox) and include two or 
more words capitalized and run together (e.g. "WikiWikiSandbox"). Save 
the page and view it. You'll find the words followed by a question mark. 
That's a link. Follow that link, add some text, and save the new page.

 See AddingNewPages and WhenToCreatePages.

 Q: I'm interested in wikis, and think one might be useful to my group. 
I want to use WikiWikiWeb to test how it works, but don't want my test 
pages deleted. What can I do?

 A1: You can set up a test wiki at one of the public WikiFarms.

 A2: The WikiWikiWeb community is generally tolerant of test pages if 
they explain their purpose, and give a "delete after" date. (Something 
like "I created this test page for my ____ group to see if a wiki would 
be useful. We'll delete it after month day.") Creating OffTopic pages 
without explanation may be considered WikiSquatting, which is considered 
impolite.

 Q: How do I make a hyperlink without displaying the URL? So I just want 
to see (for example) LINK and be able to click on LINK and go to 
http://www.something.com/.

 A: That's called a FreeLink, and you can't make them on Wiki. There 
used to be a facility for numbering external links (like [1], [2], 
etc.), but this was disabled for security reasons. If you want to avoid 
retyping the hyperlink each time you use it, give the link its own page 
and refer to that page instead. This keeps down the clutter of naked 
hyperlinks.

 Q: How do you add a picture, or sound file to Wiki?

 A: You can't store these sorts of files on the Wiki server. But you can 
find that file somewhere else on the Web, and then include a link to it 
on a Wiki page.

 If you include the URL to an image on a Wiki page, Wiki will recognize 
it as an image reference and format the HTML accordingly. For example, 
including the URL "http://google.com/images/logo.gif" will result in 
this:


 If you include the URL to a sound file on a Wiki page, Wiki will show 
it as a link, and readers/listeners will have to click on it to hear it. 
Like so: http://www.soundamerica.com/sounds/sound_fx/S-Z/wolf.wav. 
[Hopefully now corrected]

 All these files stay over on the other server, so ideally you should 
find a way to ensure that the file won't be taken down there.

 See TextFormattingRules for more.

 Q: How do I add an applet/plugin/etc to a page?

 A: You can't. The best you can do is to link to an offsite Web page 
with the applet, though it won't be inlined like a picture or sound file.

 Q: If you want to add a question to a page, should you add it at the 
bottom or the top?

 A1: It's up to you and the page itself. Play nice.

 A2: Put it where it makes the most sense.

 Q: How do I delete a page?

 A: Short answer: edit the page, erasing all the text except the word 
DeleteTestAndWelcome. See HowToDeletePages for more.

 Q: How do I rename a page without deleting it and losing its content?

 A: Create a page with the new name, copy the old page's content to it, 
fix the old page's BackLinks, then delete the old page.

 Q: How can I make it easier for someone to figure out which parts of a 
page I changed?

 A: See RecentChangesOnaWikiPage.

 Q: Maybe I am missing something obvious, but how can you be sure that I 
don't erase everything?

 A: Well, there is always the diff, which you can see if you click on 
the EditCopy link at the bottom of any Wiki page. And there is a backup 
in case of massive vandalism.

 See WikiErase for more.

 Q: How do I report a problem with the operation of Wiki, e.g. editor 
not loading all of a page?

 A: See WhenaWikiPageisTooBig. For other bugs, see WikiWikiBugs.

 Q: Is any HTML markup supported? Can you just use HTML and have it 
rendered?

 A1: No. See TextFormattingRules for details about how to do formatting 
in WikiWiki.

 A2: See WhyDoesntWikiDoHtml or 
http://usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?RawHtmlWiki for the rationale.

 Q: I was looking at WantedPages. A lot of these seemed to be the names 
of Java classes, which happen to have the same format as Wiki links. Is 
there any way to escape something with 
CapitalizedFirstLettersRunTogether so that it isn't a link?

 A: Yes. See SixSingleQuotes. Other useful tips are in 
TextFormattingRules.

 Q: I used accented characters and I got complaints that they weren't 
showing up. Why is this happening and how can I fix it?

 A: They are showing up, except not to everyone. ASCII is the standard 
of the Internet, not UNICODE, which means accented characters won't 
display for all users. Indeed, while you could put Japanese on WikiWiki 
without much difficulty, most people just see random garbage.

 Q: The previous question about the incapability of showing accented 
characters stated "ASCII is the standard of the Internet, not UNICODE." 
This sounds arrogant as ASCII stands for "American Standard Code for 
Information Interchange." Don't you think it would be better to write 
with a more positive tone toward UNICODE to broaden the wiki community? 
Is there a UNICODE-based WikiClone?

 A: I don't know of any, but I'm writing one right now: SennikiWiki.

 Q: Are you sure that "ASCII is the standard of the Internet, not 
UNICODE"?

 At one time (HTML 2.0) "The base character set (the SGML BASESET) for 
HTML is ISO Latin-1."

 Later this changed; HTML 4.01 says "The ASCII character set is not 
sufficient for a global information system such as the Web, so HTML uses 
the much more complete character set called the Universal Character Set 
(UCS) ... equivalent to Unicode" -- 
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/charset.html

Q: Is there some way to remember which pages you read while in Wiki? Or 
some way to easily send page links to another page for editing? W.g. 
create bookmarks on your own user page?

 A: Just bookmark in your browser (e.g., Ctrl D in Netscape) each page 
you might wish to revisit. Alternatively, you can just edit your user 
page and type the links in there. Use a bulleted list to make it look 
nice.

 Q: How can I set up a button in my browser to edit the page you are 
currently looking at?

 A: See EditPageBookmarklet.

 Q: What did I do to get banned? Can I get unbanned if I promise never 
to do it again?

 (Q back at you: How, if banned, did you add your question?)

A: The best way to get banned is to run a program against Wiki that 
denies service to other sites. Email WardCunningham to get unbanned. 
Include both your domain name and IP address as the Wiki self-protection 
logic might record either.

 Q: Is this project open source?

 A: Yes/no. There are umpteen versions of this particular software. 
While the exact software running this site is not open, some versions 
are OpenSource (but not FreeSoftware). See WikiInHyperPerl for one, or 
TheWikiWay for another. For FreeSoftware versions, see WikiWikiClones.

 Q: There are images at the bottom of some WikiPage's but not others. 
(TextFormattingRules has several.) What do they mean?

 A: Each image links to a page on another wiki. Those wikis (called 
SisterSites) happen to have a page with the same name as the page you're 
reading. For example, Both the WikiWikiWeb and MeatballWiki have pages 
named TextFormattingRules. If you're on the WikiWikiWeb's 
TextFormattingRules page, clicking on the MeatballWiki image takes you 
to the TextFormattingRules page on Meatball.

 Q: I'm totally new to Wiki. I can't find the right way to start, though 
I have been to almost every Wiki page... I have this assignment to 
create a Wiki page. The 'Startpage' has to contain a few links. One link 
is to add a new Wiki page where you can fill in information about some 
project. Then when you create this new Wiki page, a link to it should 
appear on Startpage. Is this possible?

 A: Yes, it is possible. Since you're totally new to Wiki, I suggest 
going to our NewUserPages page and then read the pages that it links to. 
Specific information on how to start new pages is in AddingNewPages (and 
also OneMinuteWiki). By the way, there are over 20,000 Wiki pages, so 
you'll probably have to spend a long time reading before you've visited 
them all!

 Q: How do I create an edit textbox?

 A: You don't really 'create' the edit textbox. You click on the 
'EditText' link at the bottom of a page, and that will bring you to an 
editing page with an edit textbox on it. But then, you already know that 
since you added this question to this page. Every page automatically has 
the 'EditText' link on the bottom. Is that what you meant?

 Q: After I ZIP-Dumped my pages, how can I restore them from the dump if 
it is needed?

 A: With another script or by hand. What did you expect? And are you 
sure what you did was legal?

 Q: Can I run a wiki on a private intranet? Where can I find information 
about setting up such a wiki (written for the average, non-technogeek)?

 A: Yes - see WikiEngines and RunningYourOwnWikiFaq.

 Q: I still have no idea what Wiki is for!

 A: Neither does anyone else. But check out WikiMission and 
WikiPhilosophyFaq for some theories.

 Q: How did WikiWikiWeb get started?

 A: See WikiHistory.

 Q: I heard there is more than one WikiWikiWeb.

 A: There is only one WikiWikiWeb: this one. There are hundreds of 
wikis; one way being developed to start to know about them is 
TourBusStop. Also check out the developing WorldWideWiki:OneBigWiki at 
http://www.worldwidewiki.net/wiki/OneBigWiki.

 Q: Why are these things so text-centric? Way to kill a potential 
audience before it even gets started.

 A1: Wiki isn't for everyone. This wiki attracts programmers and 
tech-types, who are used to reading a lot. It's also a lot easier to 
create and edit text than images.

 A2: It's a LessIsMore / WabiSabi / 
DoTheSimplestThingThatCouldPossiblyWork thing.

 Q: Can Wiki damage your health?

 A: Becoming a RecentChangesJunkie can certainly damage your chances of 
having any free time. (And hurt your wrists if you spend too much time 
at the keyboard!)

 Q: Can I edit other kinds of documents online? E.g., MicrosoftWord or 
MicrosoftExcel files?

 A: Nope, only those that are explicitly designed for online or 
collaborative editing. Those usually require special software. See 
WikiLikeThings.

 Q: What is the difference between a wiki and a blog?

 A: Wikis are open to editing. They were created to encourage visitors 
to collaborate, to improve anything on the wiki. Blogs only allow 
visitors to comment.

 Also, a blog has one owner, who has special privileges. Everyone's 
equal on a wiki (generally; some do have administrators).

 Q: I have edited a page twice. How do I retrieve the last but one 
content?

 A: In general, you can't. However, if you did not view the latest 
rendered version, the previous rendered version might be in your 
browser's cache.

 For older versions of the page, see http://c2.com/wiki/history/. If you 
still don't find what you seek, check Google. It caches copies of pages 
it encounters when it crawls the Web.

 Q: Are there other WikiFAQs?

 A: Yes, try the following. Some answers are just copied from here, but 
there are interesting answers not found here. Click here: 
http://freemind.freezope.org/FreemindWiki/WikiFaq

Q: I've seen that Wiki is done in PHP. There are some other wikis called 
WikiWikiClones. If I create a new wiki, on cgilua, how can it be 
considered a wiki clone?

 Actually, this wiki's engine uses Perl, not PHP. Other WikiEngines use 
a wide variety of different languages.

 A CGI script would be considered a wiki clone if it provided the basic 
wiki functions: automatic linking between pages, etc.

 Q: I browsed a bit through the categories and discovered that the game 
cq2 didn't have a Wiki page yet. Because cq2 has an active community, I 
decided to make a cq2 page in the game category. They keep deleting it, 
saying it's OffTopic. How can a game be off-topic when there's a 
category for games?

 A1: This wiki is about programming. The community puts up with certain 
off-topic content if enough people find it interesting (e.g, geek stuff 
like StarTrek), but anything offtopic can be, and often is, deleted. 
Post about programming and you won't get deleted.

 A2: Games are OffTopic, but no rule is absolute. Those pages are there 
because (a) we don't want to start a delete war by killing them, and (b) 
they made it past RecentChanges a long time ago when OffTopic posts were 
less of a problem. However, many would like to get rid of them since 
they are OffTopic. Just because OffTopic material exists now doesn't 
mean we want more of it. There's far too many OffTopic posts as is and 
recently, many have begun to not allow it past RecentChanges because 
they feel OffTopic posts are polluting Wiki more so than usual.

 See PleasePleaseDontCategorizeEveryPageOnWiki. Mostly, we don't like 
categories, even though some exist because of a few peoples efforts to 
put them everywhere. WikiIsNotaDictionary, it's a programming site. Talk 
about programming games and you'll have many people jumping into the 
discussion; try to list games dictionary-style just to say they exist 
and you're likely to get deleted. Some survive from sheer popularity 
since they fit the geek culture, but most don't. You have to survive 
RecentChanges on merit alone. If you want a page to live, then make sure 
it in some way relates to or discusses programming, only then will most 
people consider it OnTopic. There are no hard and fast rule, see 
WikiSocialNorms and WhyWikiWorks to get an understanding of the culture 
here.

 Q2: Would a page with a list of great stuff that was once in a game but 
not anymore, and that should be put in a game more, would that be 
allowed? (that's about programming, why don't they program stuff like 
that into games? Why do they seems to be interested only in having more 
pixels and higher resolutions and more graphic stuff instead of 
improving the basics?) it could be turned into a discussion of what 
should be in a game and what not I am not that good in expression myself 
in English (need more practise), so here is a part of that list: RTS:
	? 	 The shooting in Total Annihilation, it is realistic, it is real, 
not just some smoke here and some unit there that gets damage, every 
shot is flying across the screen and it can hit an enemy or an ally on 
it's way to the target
	? 	 Like the round world in Populous 3 (not sure about the name, 
haven't been able to play it for a long time), not a square map or a map 
with boundaries, but a real ball shape, round, which allows you to be 
attack from every side, instead of hiding in a corner of the map

 A: That's not so much about programming, as it is about specific 
features of a narrow class of programs. Before you create the page, ask 
yourself "Does this page further Wiki's goal of offering insight into 
how to improve the activity of programming?"

From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 27 09:31:01 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Summary of Public Voice WSIS call 2/20
In-Reply-To: <a06001f80bc63f0101160@[192.168.1.62]>
Message-ID: <20040227093101.35762.qmail@web60701.mail.yahoo.com>

En Français ( résumé) ci-aprés
Dear Frannie,
i am wonderring when are we being able to promote
among the CS representatives names like Mohamadou or
Fatimatou, to show that the CS is a world one...
Thanks life there is one or two gender representative.
And when are we being able to organize such a
conferences in Africa and not everytime in Geneva,
London or NY... I like very much NY but i like also
Ouagadougou, or Ndjamena and please dont tell me that
these countries have note the elementary equipment to
respond to your need, because we have to fond solution
to the Digitzal Divide and how can we explain the
dramatical situation if we don't live it one or two
days !!!!
Friendly
Djilali
Je proteste contre ces rencontres qui ont lieu avec
des représentants à consonnance excluve du Nord et se
tenant excluvivement dans le Nord !!!
Si nous voulons que la société civile dénonce le fossé
numérique il faut que nos représentant puissent aller
goûter au dénuement qui prévaut dans certaines
capitales africaines, ils ne pourront que mieux
s'exprimer l'inégalité et la désespérance.
Amitiés
Djilali 
--- Frannie Wellings <wellings@epic.org> wrote:
> Summary of the Public Voice 2nd Teleconference on
> "WSIS and Civil Society"
> February 20, 2004
> 
> 
> On February 20th, the Public Voice held the second
> meeting to discuss 
> civil society involvement in the WSIS process. 
> Participating were 
> Deborah Hurley, Rikke Frank Joergensen (EDRI),
> Robert Guerra 
> (Privaterra), Nathan Mitchler (Public Knowledge),
> Marc Rotenberg 
> (EPIC), Frannie Wellings (EPIC), YJ Park, Milton
> Mueller (Syracuse), 
> Andy Carvin (Benton), Chris Chiu (ACLU), and Becky
> Lentz (Ford 
> Foundation).  Thank you to Deborah for moderating
> and to Rikke and 
> Robert for providing very useful updates.
> 
> The Next Public Voice Meeting will be coordinated
> alongside the UN 
> ICT meeting in NY (both in person and via
> telephone). It will 
> probably take place at the Ford Foundation on March
> 24 or 25, 2004. 
> Please let me know if you will be in NY at this time
> - it seems 
> opportune for a civil society strategy meeting. 
> Confirmation on 
> date/time/agenda still to come.
> 
> Summary:
> I. Updates
> II. Report from Civil Society Plenary
> III. Discussion of Internet Governance and Upcoming
> UN meetings
> IV. Addressing issues from last meeting
> V. Organizing Around Upcoming Events
> VI.  Needs/Next Steps
> 
> 
> I. Updates
> Robert Guerra's reported on Recent Canadian meeting:
> The Canadian government under UNESCO organized a
> civil society 
> debriefing in Ottawa on January 23rd.  They brought
> together 
> participants to discuss the process so far in terms
> of civil 
> society's organizing and challenges and what Canada
> should do next. 
> In the second phase, the Canadians see a problem in
> terms of 
> stakeholders - Canadian business wasn't as present
> as they expected 
> in the first phase.  It was said that the
> Declaration and Action Plan 
> would not be reopened according to governments. 
> There are now only 
> two concrete issues that will be dealt with,
> financing and Internet 
> governance. There are no modalities for oversight of
> the Action Plan 
> - the process is decentralized and there are a
> number of initiatives.
> Coming up:
> There will be an informal, brainstorming meeting on
> March 4-5 in 
> Tunisia. They want the Bureau to attend, but there
> are few funds for 
> travel. Very few people are able to go due to
> lacking funds, and 
> others are avoiding Tunisia for human rights
> reasons.  Robert will be 
> attending this meeting and will report back.
> There will be a WSIS civil society meeting in
> Berlin, Germany in 
> March, but without a funded Bureau, travel
> opportunities and even 
> discussions are sparse.  Robert thinks the new
> bureau will probably 
> pick a new president, though Deborah Hurley pointed
> out that 
> Sammassekou was appointed for the entire WSIS
> process.
> Regarding the next preparatory meeting, the
> Tunisians want April 
> while the ITU wants June or July.  Most people
> involved want it to be 
> held in either New York City or Geneva. 
> 
> 
> 
> II. Report from the Plenary
> Rikke discussed the UN ICT Global Forum in New York
> in March.  (On 
> the Human Rights Plenary list, I read that the
> February ITU meeting 
> is an internal technical ITU workshop to feed into
> the UN ICT Task 
> Force Open Forum in New York, 25-27 March, on
> Internet Governance. 
> It is not directly part of the WSIS 2 preparatory
> process, but its 
> outcome will help determine the Secretary General's
> appointment of 
> the Internet Governance working group.)  While
> Saturday's meeting is 
> closed, the 25th and 26th are open to public
> participation.  Several 
> government delegates will attend, many from Europe
> and the US. 
> Rikke mentioned frustration with the Bureau family
> structure, with 
> the involvement of family members rather than caucus
> members.  The 
> human rights caucus should apply for a formal role
> in the Internet 
> Governance working group.
> Robert said that the Latin America regional plenary
> list is very 
> active, though there is a great deal of frustration
> that so many of 
> the documents are only in English.
> 
> 
> III. Internet Governance
> Milton Mueller led this very informative discussion
> of Internet 
> governance and the upcoming UN ICT Task Force forum.
>  He feels that 
> the only concrete accomplishment of WSIS I was the
> establishment of 
> an Internet governance working group.  The two
> documents, the 
> Declaration and the Plan of Action, won't be
> reopened.  He feels that 
> the broad range of information and communication
> concerns will have 
> to be, and can be, addressed through the question of
> Internet 
> governance.  The concept of Internet governance is
> very broad and can 
> concretely address issues such as Voice Over IP,
> Spam, and content 
> controls.  We're looking at an International
> framework/agreement for 
> the governance of the Internet. 
> The ITU meeting will take place on February 26th and
> 27th with 
> experts presenting, most of whom are critical of
> ICANN.  Milton will 
> also be presenting.   The UN ICT Task Force will
> become the 
> secretariat of the working group, which Kofi Annan
> will select.  The 
> UN ICT forum is shaping up to be a big meeting.
> Milton's not sure how 
> they selected invitees, but said some invitations
> must have channeled 
> through the WSIS civil society groups such as the
> Internet Governance 
> caucus.  He said it doesn't appear to be horribly
> selective.  Deborah 
> Hurley suggested the working group might be
> supplanting the Tunisia 
> phase.
> Milton stressed his belief that Internet Governance
> issues touch on 
> more than just the ICANN question, but also most
> other issues 
> involved in the World Summit, such as privacy and
> censorship.  All of 
> the human rights issues may be brought into the
> framework of Internet 
> Governance.  Progressive communities are not unified
> on IG, with 
> divergence on model of representation, for example. 
> Milton stressed 
> the need for a more unified strategy. 
> People on the call agreed that many issues may be
> tied up in Internet 
> Governance, that the working group is extremely
> significant, and 
> civil society needs to be involved pushing a human
> rights perspective 
> in the working group.  It is unknown whether this
> will be the only 
> point of significance, however. The CS Internet
> governance caucus has 
> already sent a letter to Mr Kofi Annan to express
> its willing to 
> participate in the Internet governance working
> group.  (As far as I 
> know right now, the Human Rights caucus is
> considering doing the 
> same.)
> There is still an Internet Governance civil society
> caucus list, 
> 
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From t.naughton at iafrica.com  Fri Feb 27 09:28:44 2004
From: t.naughton at iafrica.com (Tracey Naughton)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Report on CSB meeting from Media Caucus rep.
Message-ID: <BC64DA6C.3E09%t.naughton@iafrica.com>

Hello Everyone,

I am pasting below a short report on yesterdays CSB meeting, from the media
Caucus representative.

Best regards

Tracey

About 15 people attended, including Louise Lassonde and Alain Clerc,
who chaired the meeting.
    From Alain's lengthy introduction, the outlook for the Tunis Summit
looks bleak.
    The ITU has no money or desire to continue, and has basically
abandoned the driving seat. Kofi Annan has not responded to a request from
Mr Utsumi that other organizations should be brought in to take the wheel.
Mr Gagn? is no longer in charge. The executive secretariat is now in the
hands of one Swiss and one Japanese under Mr Utsumi, but they have provided
no guidance or orientation for the intergovernmental side.  Tunis was
expecting the executive secretariat to take a leading role. It hasn't. No
date has been fixed for a first Prepcom.  No papers have been submitted by
Utsumi to a high-level meeting, to be chaired by Kofi Annan on 1 April,
whose agenda will include the WSIS. Etc etc.
    A relevant ITU document on the situation is WG/WSIS/5/6.
    Alain and Louise will work until end-March, but withdraw at that
point if things do not become clear, and/or if no adequate funding for civil
society participation has been identified.  According to Alain, the Civil
Society bureau is the only entity looking actively towards Part II.  He
hopes its work will be helpful for the Tunis meeting next week.
    Clere saw three possible approaches for the second part of the
Summit:
    1.    concentration on a "charter", a proposal welcomed by some
governments, with development of targets to be developed from the existing
declaration and action plan.
    2.    a more "thematic" approach, which would mean civil society
becoming active in a whole series of working groups.
    3.    view Tunis as an implementation summit "Geneva Plus Two" -
but two years is too short a time.
    It was agreed that civil society representatives attending the Tunis
meeting should sound loud alarm bells. Full civil society partnership in a
Summit should not be an excuse for intergovernmental organizations to shrug
off their responsibility for organizing it.
    As you see, we did not get round to questions of content ...
    I hope this is useful.
    Best regards,
    David


 
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From christoph.dietz at CAMECO.ORG  Fri Feb 27 09:44:03 2004
From: christoph.dietz at CAMECO.ORG (Christoph Dietz)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: Antw: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Declaration -- Endorsement List
Message-ID: <s03f1f96.021@cameco.org>

>>>Due to some kind of mistake, we are not on the endorsement list for the
Civil Society Declaration.

THE SAME APPLIES TO US.

>>> As WACC and RITS weren't on it either (being both active promoters of participation in CS), I assume there ara a big number of absent endorsers.....

I THINK SO.

>>>So, perhaps, it would be an idea to make one more active round to gather endorsements...?

WOULD BE HELPFUL.

>>>Could you please be so kind to put us on it?

PLEASE ADD ALSO CAMECO (CATHOLIC MEDIA COUNCIL).

>>> Once again congratulations with the very good job. 

ALSO FROM OUR SIDE!

Christoph Dietz
CAMECO Latin America Desk
CAMECO Dpto. Am?rica Latina
Postfach 10 21 04 
D-52021 Aachen, Germany
Tel.: 0049 - 241 - 70 13 12 14
Fax: 0049 - 241 - 70 13 12 33
christoph.dietz@cameco.org
http://www.cameco.org 


>-----Original Message-----
>From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On
>Behalf Of Bill McIver, University at Albany
>Sent: 21 February 2004 22:03
>To: WSIS Civil Society Plenary List
>Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Declaration -- Endorsement List
>
>
>All,
>
>I finally have a compilation of all of the
>endorsements sent to ct-endorse@wsis-cs.org.
>
>Please review the draft at:
>http://mboom.draper.albany.edu/%7Emciver/WSIS/CSDeclaration/Summit/Final 
>/endorsements.rtf
>
>
>Let me know if there should be changed made to your entry.
>
>It is in two sections: I. organizations and II. individuals
>
>There are a few individual endorsements for which no
>contact or other information came through.
>(I don't think these were spam.)
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>WJM
>-- 
>
>Bill McIver
>Assistant Professor
>School of Information Science and Policy
>University at Albany, State University of New York
>Albany, New York 12222
>USA
>
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From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Fri Feb 27 12:41:54 2004
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Summary of Public Voice WSIS call 2/20
In-Reply-To: <a06001f80bc63f0101160@[192.168.1.62]>
References: <a06001f80bc63f0101160@[192.168.1.62]>
Message-ID: <p05100310bc64dd2e0bf3@[192.168.1.218]>

Frannie, thanks for this.  Some comments and new information in the text below:

At 2:04 PM -0500 2/26/04, Frannie Wellings wrote:
>Summary of the Public Voice 2nd Teleconference on "WSIS and Civil Society"
>February 20, 2004
>


(text cut)


>
>II. Report from the Plenary
>Rikke discussed the UN ICT Global Forum in New York in March.  (On 
>the Human Rights Plenary list, I read that the February ITU meeting 
>is an internal technical ITU workshop to feed into the UN ICT Task 
>Force Open Forum in New York, 25-27 March, on Internet Governance.


There was a question at the ITU workshop yesterday about the 
relationship between the workshop and the UNICT Global Forum.  Mr. 
Blois, ITU deputy secretary general said "no relation between this 
workshop and the UNICT workshop".

We have to hope there will at least be some informal coordination or 
people will be saying the same stuff twice.


>It is not directly part of the WSIS 2 preparatory process, but its 
>outcome will help determine the Secretary General's appointment of 
>the Internet Governance working group.)  While Saturday's meeting is 
>closed, the 25th and 26th are open to public participation.  Several 
>government delegates will attend, many from Europe and the US. Rikke 
>mentioned frustration with the Bureau family structure, with the 
>involvement of family members rather than caucus members.  The human 
>rights caucus should apply for a formal role in the Internet 
>Governance working group.
>Robert said that the Latin America regional plenary list is very 
>active, though there is a great deal of frustration that so many of 
>the documents are only in English.
>
>
>III. Internet Governance
>Milton Mueller led this very informative discussion of Internet 
>governance and the upcoming UN ICT Task Force forum.  He feels that 
>the only concrete accomplishment of WSIS I was the establishment of 
>an Internet governance working group.  The two documents, the 
>Declaration and the Plan of Action, won't be reopened.  He feels 
>that the broad range of information and communication concerns will 
>have to be, and can be, addressed through the question of Internet 
>governance.  The concept of Internet governance is very broad and 
>can concretely address issues such as Voice Over IP, Spam, and 
>content controls.  We're looking at an International 
>framework/agreement for the governance of the Internet. The ITU 
>meeting will take place on February 26th and 27th with experts 
>presenting, most of whom are critical of ICANN.  Milton will also be 
>presenting.   The UN ICT Task Force will become the secretariat of 
>the working group, which Kofi Annan will select.


Again comments about this at the ITU workshop yesterday. There's some 
indication that the new working group will be run from Geneva. 
Apparently negotiations are underway to set up a small secretariat 
for the working group in Geneva, and (apparently), Mr. Markus Kummer, 
Swiss govt., has been approached to chair the new working group. 
Kummer chaired the working group that negotiated the final text on 
Internet governance just before the Summit.

(text cut)

>
>There is still an Internet Governance civil society caucus list, 
>though most discussion is not on there, but is on the plenary list.


I don't understand this comment. There's a lot of discussion on the 
governance list, at least about governance issues. And anyone 
interested is very much encouraged to join:

<https://ssl.cpsr.org/mailman/listinfo/governance>,
<mailto:governance-request@lists.cpsr.org?subject=subscribe>


>Anyone from civil society who is following the Internet governance 
>working group process can get involved with the Non-Commercial Users 
>Constituency of ICANN.


This is not quite correct.  Constituency membership is open to 
organizations only, and as the constituency list is member only, 
individuals cannot participate.


>The NCUC is civil society's body there.


It's one of two civil society bodies in ICANN.  The NCUC has a 
specific policy development role in the Generic Names Supporting 
Organization <http://gnso.icann.org/>, it's involved in policy 
development for generic top level domain issues, not other policy 
issues. The At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) was set up so anyone 
or any organization could participate and contribute to ICANN on a 
more general basis.  ALAC is taking time to get going. I hope civil 
society organizations will join the NCUC and support ALAC.  We need 
as many civil society voices participating as possible.

(text cut)

>
>The Non-Commercial Users Constituency of ICANN, the civil society 
>representatives, will be meeting in Rome on March 2 at the ICANN 
>conference. More information is available at 
>http://www.ncdnhc.org/meetings/2004/2004_meeting.htm - anyone in 
>Rome at that time should join the meeting, if possible.  The NCUC is 
>another way for NGOs to keep involved in the Internet governance 
>process/discussion.  ICANN's at-large committee will be holding a 
>forum on WSIS on March 4th at the Rome meeting, in cooperation with 
>the business community.


ICANN meeting on WSIS (ALAC, Business constituency and ISP 
constituency seem to be the organizers) 
<http://www.icann.org/meetings/rome/wsis-workshop-04mar04.html>

Thanks,

Adam

Adam Peake
GLOCOM Tokyo

-- 

From Bruno.Oudet at imag.fr  Fri Feb 27 18:22:13 2004
From: Bruno.Oudet at imag.fr (Bruno OUDET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:31 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] traduction en francais du premier compte rendu du bureau du 26
 fevrier
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20040227191805.025a6a90@leibniz.imag.fr>

Ce texte me semble tr?s important ? ce stade.
Merci ? Chris Zielinski et ? Thomas Ruddy. J'ai donc essay? de le traduire 
en deux
?tapes: utilisation du traducteur propos? par google, puis correction de la 
traduction.

Le r?sultat n'est pas parfait, mais suffisant pour votre compr?hension.

BO
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From amalidesilva at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 27 23:28:45 2004
From: amalidesilva at yahoo.com (Amali De Silva)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] traduction en francais du premier compte rendu du bureau du 26 fevrier
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20040227191805.025a6a90@leibniz.imag.fr>
Message-ID: <20040227232845.87424.qmail@web21325.mail.yahoo.com>

I reply in English - thank you very much for this comprehensive report - it is very much appreciated.
Amali De Silva - Mitchell
President Vancouver Community Network, Canada

Bruno OUDET <Bruno.Oudet@imag.fr> wrote:
Ce texte me semble très important à ce stade.
Merci à Chris Zielinski et à Thomas Ruddy. J'ai donc essayé de le traduire 
en deux
étapes: utilisation du traducteur proposé par google, puis correction de la 
traduction.

Le résultat n'est pas parfait, mais suffisant pour votre compréhension.

BO


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From: veni at veni.com (veni@veni.com)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Proclivity to servitude
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From westasiaregion at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 28 06:50:47 2004
From: westasiaregion at hotmail.com (west Asia)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] how many people coming to Tunis
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From rguerra at cpsr.org  Sat Feb 28 07:10:19 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] how many people coming to Tunis
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-DAV52TcS51LfJv00006b18@hotmail.com>
References: <Sea1-DAV52TcS51LfJv00006b18@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <2147483647.1077934219@[192.168.0.55]>

Amir:

i've been tracking news & confirmations related to the meeting on my 
wiki, address is below.

I've been given a registration # of 38, so at least there will that # 
there. Who else, hard to tell as little information has been forthcoming.

regards

Robert


Tunisia - March 2004, Informal brainstorming / Strategy meeting
<http://cms.privaterra.org/tiki-index.php?page=WSIS_MTG_Tunisia_0304>


--On Saturday, February 28, 2004 10:20 AM +0330 west Asia 
<westasiaregion@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Blank
> Dear All
>
> Can you please inform are you coming to Tunis meeting or not?
>
> Liliane, do you have nay confirmed names? can you please inform us as
> we should decide to participate or not due to other reasons.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Amir Barmaki
>
> Western Asia Family
>
>
>



From muguet at mdpi.org  Sat Feb 28 13:59:09 2004
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: WIKI what ? WIKI quoi ? Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] wats a wiki :-)
In-Reply-To: <004e01c3fcd3$144e9860$0d00a8c0@fma>
References: <200402261901.i1QJ1aC09967@mweb.alainet.org>
	 <2147483647.1077803255@[192.168.0.55]> <004e01c3fcd3$144e9860$0d00a8c0@fma>
Message-ID: <1077952924.3704.36.camel@e078.dhcp212-198-33.noos.fr>

Dear Alan and others
> Hi Robert
>=20
> For the benefit of others on the list not so technically adept (such as m=
e):
> pls explain the nature and advantages of a "WIKI"

I setup a WIKI for the WSIS, and announced it sometime ago on this list
:
http://www.wsis-wiki.org  =20

Have a look, I tried to provide some explanations concerning
the whys and hows of a WIKI
It is possible to include an automatic translation in this WIKI.
Many people are currently using WIKIs, it is a nice collaborative
tool.

--------------------
Bonjour les francophones !=20

J'ai install=C3=A9 un serveur WIKI pour le SMSI et je l'ai annouc=C3=A9, il=
 y a
quelques mois d=C3=A9j=C3=A0 sur cette liste.

http://www.wsis-wiki.org

Allez jeter un coup d'oeil,  J'ai essay=C3=A9  de donner quelques
explications concernant les pourquois et comments d'un WIKI
Il est possible d'inclure des outils de traduction automatique dans ce
WIKI.
Beaucoup de personnes actuellement utilisent des WIKI, c'est un outil
collaboratif efficace.
Je pense que les WIKIs peuvent =C3=AAtre particuli=C3=A8rement pr=C3=A9cieu=
x entre ceux
qui ne peuvent se rencontrer physiquement.

A+

Francis=20
=20


>=20
> Thanks
> Al
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Guerra <rguerra@cpsr.org>
> To: <ct@wsis-cs.org>
> Cc: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 2:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Informal CS Bureau Meeting, ITU, 26 Februa
>=20
>=20
> > Sally, thanks for this. Have posted a copy  to the WSIS Wiki i've setup=
.
> > <http://cms.privaterra.org/WSIS>
> >
> > I've also setup a Wiki for the upcoming Tunis meeting - i'll update the
> > site as best as i can with copies of correspondence, who's there, and
> > any  documents of relevance.
> >
> > URL is as follows:
> > <http://cms.privaterra.org/WSIS_MTG_Tunisia_0304>
> >
> > Wiki's being the way they are - collaborative - I make it available for
> > those who would like to use it as well.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Robert
> >
> >
> > --On Thursday, February 26, 2004 1:31 PM -0500 Sally Burch - ALAI
> > <sburch@alainet.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I am forwarding the report of the CT representatives at the CS
> > > bureau meeting in Geneva today.  Sally
> > > -------------------
> >
> >
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From veni at veni.com  Sat Feb 28 09:17:22 2004
From: veni at veni.com (Veni Markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Proclivity to servitude
In-Reply-To: <hdfavgofsbtksvbrxhm@veni.com>
References: <hdfavgofsbtksvbrxhm@veni.com>
Message-ID: <20040228091642.M23728@veni.com>

actually this mail was not sent from me. here are the headers. it's been spam from korea:

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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 28 09:30:45 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] how many people coming to Tunis
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-DAV52TcS51LfJv00006b18@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040228093045.5342.qmail@web60701.mail.yahoo.com>

It should be usefull to negociate immediately with
Tunisian organizators premisses (two or three
standards) for those whom are visiting Tunis as
representatives of CS...
Thiis is possible and it should help colleagues
travailling from Africa with less money !
In less we considere that the representatives of the
South are not welcomed in Tinis the colleagues pf the
North in charge with the preparation must mouve...
All the best
Djilali
Je pose le problème de la nécessité de négocier avec
les autorités tunisiennes organisatrice des lieux (de
différents standings offerts aux représentants de la
société civile, cela pourrait aider les sans moyens
africainsd à moins qu'on veut les dissuader de
participer ! Messieurs les portes paroles du Nord
BOUGEZ !
Amitiés
Djilali
--- west Asia <westasiaregion@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Blank
> Dear All
> 
> Can you please inform are you coming to Tunis
> meeting or not? 
> 
> Liliane, do you have nay confirmed names? can you
> please inform us as we should decide to participate
> or not due to other reasons.
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Amir Barmaki
> 
> Western Asia Family
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From rguerra at cpsr.org  Sat Feb 28 12:23:12 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] how many people coming to Tunis
In-Reply-To: <20040228093045.5342.qmail@web60701.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040228093045.5342.qmail@web60701.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2147483647.1077952992@[192.168.0.55]>

Djilali:

to be clear - the meeting is  clearly stated to be an informal one, 
hence (1) no negotiations.
(2) Not  myself, nor anyone else from CS has  the capacitate nor 
legitimacy to negotiate anything at that meeting


And, please let's not forget that there are an equal number of spanish 
speaking members also on plenary. their list is as active, if not more 
so than this one.  so if every message is to be translated - let's do it 
in spanish to, ok?

Para que conste bien - la reunion es de naturelza informal, por lo tanto:

1. no hay negociaciones
2. No yo, ni nadies de soc. civil tiene la capacidad nio la legitimidad 
para negociar nada en esa reunion

Algo mas, por favor - que no olvidemos que hay una cantidfad egual de 
miembros del idioma espa?ol en (lista) plenaria. La lista propia que 
tienen es igual, o aun mas activa que esta. Asi que, si es que se va 
traducir cada mensaje que se envia - que lo hagamos en espa?ol tambien, 
vale?

saludos/salut/regards

Robert



--On Saturday, February 28, 2004 1:30 AM -0800 djilali benamrane 
<dbenamrane@yahoo.com> wrote:

> It should be usefull to negociate immediately with
> Tunisian organizators premisses (two or three
> standards) for those whom are visiting Tunis as
> representatives of CS...
> Thiis is possible and it should help colleagues
> travailling from Africa with less money !
> In less we considere that the representatives of the
> South are not welcomed in Tinis the colleagues pf the
> North in charge with the preparation must mouve...
> All the best
> Djilali

From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 28 15:01:22 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] how many people coming to Tunis
In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1077952992@[192.168.0.55]>
Message-ID: <20040228150122.29395.qmail@web60707.mail.yahoo.com>

OK Robert,
I think that we as CS we have to take any
opportunities to built the best conditions for the
participation of all catégories of CS en November
2005... So there is no shame to plaid any time for
meeting such a condition... 
Tjank you so much to transla
--- Robert Guerra <rguerra@cpsr.org> wrote:
> Djilali:
> 
> to be clear - the meeting is  clearly stated to be
> an informal one, 
> hence (1) no negotiations.
> (2) Not  myself, nor anyone else from CS has  the
> capacitate nor 
> legitimacy to negotiate anything at that meeting
> 
> 
> And, please let's not forget that there are an equal
> number of spanish 
> speaking members also on plenary. their list is as
> active, if not more 
> so than this one.  so if every message is to be
> translated - let's do it 
> in spanish to, ok?
> 
> Para que conste bien - la reunion es de naturelza
> informal, por lo tanto:
> 
> 1. no hay negociaciones
> 2. No yo, ni nadies de soc. civil tiene la capacidad
> nio la legitimidad 
> para negociar nada en esa reunion
> 
> Algo mas, por favor - que no olvidemos que hay una
> cantidfad egual de 
> miembros del idioma español en (lista) plenaria. La
> lista propia que 
> tienen es igual, o aun mas activa que esta. Asi que,
> si es que se va 
> traducir cada mensaje que se envia - que lo hagamos
> en español tambien, 
> vale?
> 
> saludos/salut/regards
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> 
> --On Saturday, February 28, 2004 1:30 AM -0800
> djilali benamrane 
> <dbenamrane@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > It should be usefull to negociate immediately with
> > Tunisian organizators premisses (two or three
> > standards) for those whom are visiting Tunis as
> > representatives of CS...
> > Thiis is possible and it should help colleagues
> > travailling from Africa with less money !
> > In less we considere that the representatives of
> the
> > South are not welcomed in Tinis the colleagues pf
> the
> > North in charge with the preparation must mouve...
> > All the best
> > Djilali
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 28 15:06:20 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] how many people coming to Tunis
In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1077952992@[192.168.0.55]>
Message-ID: <20040228150620.13619.qmail@web60709.mail.yahoo.com>

En français ci-aprés...

OK Robert,
I think that we as CS we have to take any
opportunities to built the best conditions for the
participation of all catégories of CS en November
2005... So there is no shame to plaid any time for
meeting such a condition... 
Tank you so much for translating you message in
Spanich... Congratulation et please do it every
time... 
It is time to beleive that i am not e defenseur of
French but of other languages comming in addition to
English..
Merci Robert,
Je pense que nous devrions saisir toutes les occasions
pour plaider en faveur de la SC et des conditions
particulières de participation au sommet de Tunis en
2005....
Votre traduction en espagnol me comble il faut
poursuivre et persévérer, m=et surtout être convaincu
que mon combat est pour toutes les langues autres que
le français dont je ne suis pas le mieux placé pour le
défendre.

--- Robert Guerra <rguerra@cpsr.org> wrote:
> Djilali:
> 
> to be clear - the meeting is  clearly stated to be
> an informal one, 
> hence (1) no negotiations.
> (2) Not  myself, nor anyone else from CS has  the
> capacitate nor 
> legitimacy to negotiate anything at that meeting
> 
> 
> And, please let's not forget that there are an equal
> number of spanish 
> speaking members also on plenary. their list is as
> active, if not more 
> so than this one.  so if every message is to be
> translated - let's do it 
> in spanish to, ok?
> 
> Para que conste bien - la reunion es de naturelza
> informal, por lo tanto:
> 
> 1. no hay negociaciones
> 2. No yo, ni nadies de soc. civil tiene la capacidad
> nio la legitimidad 
> para negociar nada en esa reunion
> 
> Algo mas, por favor - que no olvidemos que hay una
> cantidfad egual de 
> miembros del idioma español en (lista) plenaria. La
> lista propia que 
> tienen es igual, o aun mas activa que esta. Asi que,
> si es que se va 
> traducir cada mensaje que se envia - que lo hagamos
> en español tambien, 
> vale?
> 
> saludos/salut/regards
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> 
> --On Saturday, February 28, 2004 1:30 AM -0800
> djilali benamrane 
> <dbenamrane@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > It should be usefull to negociate immediately with
> > Tunisian organizators premisses (two or three
> > standards) for those whom are visiting Tunis as
> > representatives of CS...
> > Thiis is possible and it should help colleagues
> > travailling from Africa with less money !
> > In less we considere that the representatives of
> the
> > South are not welcomed in Tinis the colleagues pf
> the
> > North in charge with the preparation must mouve...
> > All the best
> > Djilali
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From pwilson at apnic.net  Sat Feb 28 16:24:39 2004
From: pwilson at apnic.net (Paul Wilson)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Proclivity to servitude
In-Reply-To: <hdfavgofsbtksvbrxhm@veni.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c3fe17$5e1c4600$b40a76cb@optushome.com.au>

Dear all,

Please note that this message had a virus attached, therefore don't open the
attachment (acd.zip).

If you did, you will probably need to disinfect your computer.

Paul Wilson.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org 
> [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On Behalf Of veni@veni.com
> Sent: Saturday, 28 February 2004 10:04 AM
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Proclivity to servitude
> 
> 
> 
> 


From faia at amauta.rcp.net.pe  Sat Feb 28 16:57:40 2004
From: faia at amauta.rcp.net.pe (Erick Iriarte Ahon)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Primera Convocatoria: IV Congreso Mundial de Derecho
 Informatico
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040228115735.021c5d98@amauta.rcp.net.pe>

Nota: Con el ruego de su difusi?n.
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IV Congreso Mundial de Derecho Informatico
"Pol?ticas y Marco Regulatorio para una Sociedad de la Informaci?n de todos"
Cuzco-Peru
11 al 15 de Octubre del 2004
http://www.alfa-redi.org/congreso/ivmundial.asp

Estimados colegas y amigos todos:

La Organizaci?n No Gubernamental Alfa-Redi se complace en inivitar a todos 
los estudiosos y profesionales interesados en el desarrollo y avance de la 
inform?tica y sus repercusiones sociales y normativas, al IV Congreso 
Mundial de Derecho Inform?tico, a realizarse del 11 al 15 de octubre de 
2004 en la ciudad de Cusco ? Per?.

Este evento se presenta como la oportunidad de compartir e intercambiar 
opiniones, experiencias y proponer pol?ticas que ayuden al mejor uso de las 
nuevas tecnolog?as, respetando el desarorllo social de cada pa?s y de cada 
comunidad.

El IV Congreso Mundial de Derecho inform?tico es la continuaci?n de los 
congresos mundiales celebrados en las ciudades de Quito (Ecuador) 
(http://comunidad.vlex.com/conmundial/), Madrid (Espa?a) 
(http://www.derechoinformatico.info)  y La Habana (Cuba) 
(http://www.alfa-redi.org/congreso/iiimundial.asp), los cuales abrieron las 
puertas a distintas propuestas que hoy en d?a son leyes en diferentes 
pa?ses o que se han constituido como pautas de actuaci?n en los diferentes 
organismos p?blicos y privados decisores de temas de nuevas tecnolog?as o 
desarrollo de la sociedad de la informaci?n.

Acorde con los enfoques actuales, el IV Congreso Mundial pretende la 
participaci?n de equipos multidisciplarios, por lo que inivitamos a 
participar a todos los profesionales interesados en el desarrollo y 
aplicaci?n de las nuevas tecnolog?as. Abogados, soci?logos, antrpop?logos, 
ingenieros, matem?ticos, entre otros, aportar?n su punto de vista a fin de 
que el producto final ? las rcomendaciones y propuestas del evento ? 
englobe todos los problemas desde distintas aristas.

Temas de actualidad que plantean las nuevas tecnolog?as y que requieren 
respuestas y decisiones de los entes decisores ser?n abordados durante el 
evento. As?, se abordar? un primer cap?tulo sobre ?Pol?ticas en la Sociedad 
de la Informaci?n? en donde los temas de gobierno electr?nico o democracia 
digital ser?n parte del debate. Tambi?n el cap?tulo sobre ?Propiedad 
Intelectual en la Era Digital? destacar?, discuti?ndose los temas sobre 
nombres de dominio y protecci?n de contenidos. La ?Econom?a Digital? 
destaca tambi?n en otro cap?tulo, con los temas sobre comercio electr?nico 
y medios de pago electr?nico. ?Derechos Humanos en la Era Digital? y 
?Sociedad, Derecho y Tecnolog?a? son tambi?n cap?tulos importantes con 
temas como protecci?n de datos personales, acceso de los grupos 
prioritarios a la red, genero y nuevas tecnolog?as, e-learning, el trabajo 
en la era digital, entre otros.

El evento combinar? la parte expositiva con el desarrollo de talleres que 
involucran la discusi?n de casos y planteamiento de soluciones a realidades 
concretas.

Como pueden apreciar, el IV Congreso Mundial aspira a ser el centro de 
discusi?n y de elaboraci?n de propuestas para solucionar realidades 
concretas planteadas por el uso de la nuevas tecnolog?as e Internet. Este 
deseo no ser? concretado sin vuestra participaci?n, por lo que renovamos 
nuestra invitaci?n a todos ustedes.

Cusco ? Per? les abre las puertas, ?sean bienvenidos a esta experiencia de 
discusi?n de lo moderno desde las ra?ces de una cultura con historia!. ?Los 
esperamos!. Su presencia es importante.

Cordialmente,

Comite Organizador
IV Congreso Mundial de Derecho Inform?tico
http://www.alfa-redi.org/congreso/ivmundial.asp 


From faia at amauta.rcp.net.pe  Sat Feb 28 16:57:52 2004
From: faia at amauta.rcp.net.pe (Erick Iriarte Ahon)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] First Call: IV Congress of Computer Law
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040228115748.021dac18@amauta.rcp.net.pe>

Note: please forward this email.
Please to excuse if this message arrives duplicate
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IV World Congress of Computer Law Alfa-Redi
"Policies and regulatory framework for everyone?s information society"
11 to 15 October 2004
Cuzco - Peru
http://www.alfa-redi.org/congreso/ivmundiali.asp

Dear colleagues and friends,

Alfa-Redi, a non-governmental organization, is pleased to invite all 
students and professionals interested in the development and progress of 
informatics and its social and regulatory impact, to participate to the IV 
World Congress on Cyber-Law. The event will be held from the 11 to the 15 
October 2004 in the city of Cuzco, in Peru.

This event is the opportunity to share and exchange opinions, experiences 
and to propose policies for the better use of new technologies, taking into 
account the social development of each country and community.

The IV World Congress on Cyber-Law is organized as a follow-up to the 
previous world congresses held in Quito (Ecuador) 
(http://comunidad.vlex.com/conmundial/), Madrid (Spain) 
(http://www.derechoinformatico.info)  y La Habana (Cuba) 
(http://www.alfa-redi.org/congreso/iiimundial.asp). These events where at 
the origin of proposals that became either laws adopted in several 
countries or that where welcomed as guidelines by different decision-making 
public and private organs dealing with new technologies or the information 
society development.

In conformity with current trends, the IV World Congress seeks the 
participation of multidisciplinary teams. This is the reason why we invite 
to participate every professional interested in the development and 
application of new technologies, such as lawyers, sociologists, 
anthropologists, engineers, and mathematicians, among others, who will 
contribute with their views in order for the final product ? the 
recommendations and proposals of the event ? to cover any kind of problems 
in all domains.

Current subjects in the area of new technologies requiring answers and 
solutions from decision-making entities will be addressed during the event. 
In this line of thoughts, a first chapter on ?Policies in the information 
society? will take place, where e-government and de-democracy issues will 
be part of the debates. Also, a chapter concerning ?Intellectual property 
in the digital era? aimed at discussing domain names and content 
[protection issues will be held. The ?Digital economy? is the title of 
another chapter suggested by the organizers of the event, where matters 
such as e-commerce and e-payment will be addressed. ?Human rights in the 
digital era? and ?Society, Law, and Technology? are important chapters that 
will include subjects like data protection and privacy issues, access to 
the Net of priority groups, gender and new technologies, e-learning, Jobs 
in the digital era, among others.

The event will combine the speeches (presentations) with working groups to 
discuss cases and find solutions to these particular realities.

As you can see, the IV World Congress hopes to focalize the discussion and 
to elaborate proposals in order to solve particular cases raised by the use 
of new technologies and the Internet. Our wish will not become true without 
your participation, therefore we hope you will be among the participants to 
the event.

Cuzco (Peru) opens its arms to you. Be welcome to experience a debate of 
modern matters in a place with a historical culture! We hope to see at the 
Congress! Your attendance is very important to us.

Cordially,

Organizing Committee
IV World Congress of Computer Law
http://www.alfa-redi.org/congreso/ivmundiali.asp 


From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 28 22:26:08 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] traduction en francais du premier compte rendu du bureau du 26 fevrier
In-Reply-To: <20040227232845.87424.qmail@web21325.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040228222608.18317.qmail@web60710.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Amali for the efoort...
Is the translation attached to your message ?
All the best
Djilali
--- Amali De Silva <amalidesilva@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I reply in English - thank you very much for this
> comprehensive report - it is very much appreciated.
> Amali De Silva - Mitchell
> President Vancouver Community Network, Canada
> 
> Bruno OUDET <Bruno.Oudet@imag.fr> wrote:
> Ce texte me semble très important à ce stade.
> Merci à Chris Zielinski et à Thomas Ruddy. J'ai donc
> essayé de le traduire 
> en deux
> étapes: utilisation du traducteur proposé par
> google, puis correction de la 
> traduction.
> 
> Le résultat n'est pas parfait, mais suffisant pour
> votre compréhension.
> 
> BO
> 
> 
> > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/rtf charset=us-ascii
> 
> 
> 
> Amali De Silva-Mitchell MSc.
> 
> Tel: 1-604-736-9012 & Email: amalidesilva@yahoo.com
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


=====
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 28 22:28:22 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] traduction en francais du premier compte rendu du bureau du 26 fevrier
In-Reply-To: <20040227232845.87424.qmail@web21325.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040228222822.95924.qmail@web60705.mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry, I got it through Bruno OUEDT's message.
Thanks to all
Djilali
--- Amali De Silva <amalidesilva@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I reply in English - thank you very much for this
> comprehensive report - it is very much appreciated.
> Amali De Silva - Mitchell
> President Vancouver Community Network, Canada
> 
> Bruno OUDET <Bruno.Oudet@imag.fr> wrote:
> Ce texte me semble très important à ce stade.
> Merci à Chris Zielinski et à Thomas Ruddy. J'ai donc
> essayé de le traduire 
> en deux
> étapes: utilisation du traducteur proposé par
> google, puis correction de la 
> traduction.
> 
> Le résultat n'est pas parfait, mais suffisant pour
> votre compréhension.
> 
> BO
> 
> 
> > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/rtf charset=us-ascii
> 
> 
> 
> Amali De Silva-Mitchell MSc.
> 
> Tel: 1-604-736-9012 & Email: amalidesilva@yahoo.com
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


=====
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From esther.joly at club-internet.fr  Sun Feb 29 11:05:58 2004
From: esther.joly at club-internet.fr (Esther Joly)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Bruxels to morrow
In-Reply-To: <20040228222822.95924.qmail@web60705.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BC678626.9116%esther.joly@club-internet.fr>

Is some body on the list participating ?

Esther

THE GREENS/EFA IN THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT
PRESS INVITATION ? Brussels, 27 February 2004
International conference on the Information Society
WHAT: Deconstructing WSIS: Towards a sustainable agenda for the future
information society

WHEN: March 1, 2004, 9.15 ? 18.30
WHERE: ASP A 1 G 2, European Parliament, Brussels

In the wake of the first phase of the World Summit on the Information
Society (WSIS) held in Geneva last December and before the second phase
begins in Tunis in November 2005, many crucial questions emerge. Is WSIS a
turning point in the development of the Information Society? Or is it yet
another failed attempt to bridge the digital divide? Are international
political circles and the civil society successfully getting back in the
game? During this one day international conference, hosted by the Green MEP
Bart Staes (Groen! - Flanders) speakers from universities and high level
officials from international institutions will deconstruct the process which
led to WSIS, the achievements and limits of its first phase and the nature
and extent of its outcome.

The conference will also discuss recommendations to policy makers at the
European level in order to meet the challenges raised by the unprecedented
pace of ICT innovation.

For a full programme please go to: http://www.eccr.info
Journalists who wish to attend should contact the conference
organisers: 


Fran*ois Heinderyckx (FHEINDERYCKX@admin.ulb.ac.be)
Nico Carpentier (Nico.carpentier@kubrussel.ac.be - +32 (0)2 412 42 78
or +32 (0)2 629 18 30)
Geert Vranken (bstaes-assistant@europarl.eu.int - +32 (0)2 284 76 42)




From raoul.weiler at skynet.be  Sun Feb 29 12:57:03 2004
From: raoul.weiler at skynet.be (Raoul Weiler)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Bruxels to morrow
References: <BC678626.9116%esther.joly@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <000a01c3fec3$8b8d7fd0$0b01a8c0@computer03>

Hello,

Yes I am.

Raoul Weiler
The Brussels-EU Chapter, Club of Rome



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Esther Joly" <esther.joly@club-internet.fr>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 12:05 PM
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Bruxels to morrow


> Is some body on the list participating ?
>
> Esther
>
> THE GREENS/EFA IN THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT
> PRESS INVITATION ? Brussels, 27 February 2004
> International conference on the Information Society
> WHAT: Deconstructing WSIS: Towards a sustainable agenda for the future
> information society
>
> WHEN: March 1, 2004, 9.15 ? 18.30
> WHERE: ASP A 1 G 2, European Parliament, Brussels
>
> In the wake of the first phase of the World Summit on the Information
> Society (WSIS) held in Geneva last December and before the second phase
> begins in Tunis in November 2005, many crucial questions emerge. Is WSIS a
> turning point in the development of the Information Society? Or is it yet
> another failed attempt to bridge the digital divide? Are international
> political circles and the civil society successfully getting back in the
> game? During this one day international conference, hosted by the Green
MEP
> Bart Staes (Groen! - Flanders) speakers from universities and high level
> officials from international institutions will deconstruct the process
which
> led to WSIS, the achievements and limits of its first phase and the nature
> and extent of its outcome.
>
> The conference will also discuss recommendations to policy makers at the
> European level in order to meet the challenges raised by the unprecedented
> pace of ICT innovation.
>
> For a full programme please go to: http://www.eccr.info
> Journalists who wish to attend should contact the conference
> organisers:
>
>
> Fran*ois Heinderyckx (FHEINDERYCKX@admin.ulb.ac.be)
> Nico Carpentier (Nico.carpentier@kubrussel.ac.be - +32 (0)2 412 42 78
> or +32 (0)2 629 18 30)
> Geert Vranken (bstaes-assistant@europarl.eu.int - +32 (0)2 284 76 42)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>


From meigs at wanadoo.fr  Sun Feb 29 14:14:12 2004
From: meigs at wanadoo.fr (Meigs)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Bruxels to morrow
In-Reply-To: <000a01c3fec3$8b8d7fd0$0b01a8c0@computer03>
Message-ID: <BC67B244.44C8%meigs@wanadoo.fr>

Hello,

Yes I will be participating to the conference given by the ECCR, whose
acronym stands for: European Consortium for Communications Research. ECCR is
an association of researchers affiliated to IAMCR,  the International
Association for Media and communications Research.

The conference will be mostly dedicated to an evaluation of the first phase
of the summit, and aimed at European decision-makers.
 
The contact person is Nico Carpentier and the program is available at
www.eccr.info.

Best
Divina
Deputy secretary general, IAMCR
> Hello,
> 
> Yes I am.
> 
> Raoul Weiler
> The Brussels-EU Chapter, Club of Rome
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Esther Joly" <esther.joly@club-internet.fr>
> To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 12:05 PM
> Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Bruxels to morrow
> 
> 
>> Is some body on the list participating ?
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> THE GREENS/EFA IN THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT
>> PRESS INVITATION ? Brussels, 27 February 2004
>> International conference on the Information Society
>> WHAT: Deconstructing WSIS: Towards a sustainable agenda for the future
>> information society
>> 
>> WHEN: March 1, 2004, 9.15 ? 18.30
>> WHERE: ASP A 1 G 2, European Parliament, Brussels
>> 
>> In the wake of the first phase of the World Summit on the Information
>> Society (WSIS) held in Geneva last December and before the second phase
>> begins in Tunis in November 2005, many crucial questions emerge. Is WSIS a
>> turning point in the development of the Information Society? Or is it yet
>> another failed attempt to bridge the digital divide? Are international
>> political circles and the civil society successfully getting back in the
>> game? During this one day international conference, hosted by the Green
> MEP
>> Bart Staes (Groen! - Flanders) speakers from universities and high level
>> officials from international institutions will deconstruct the process
> which
>> led to WSIS, the achievements and limits of its first phase and the nature
>> and extent of its outcome.
>> 
>> The conference will also discuss recommendations to policy makers at the
>> European level in order to meet the challenges raised by the unprecedented
>> pace of ICT innovation.
>> 
>> For a full programme please go to: http://www.eccr.info
>> Journalists who wish to attend should contact the conference
>> organisers:
>> 
>> 
>> Fran*ois Heinderyckx (FHEINDERYCKX@admin.ulb.ac.be)
>> Nico Carpentier (Nico.carpentier@kubrussel.ac.be - +32 (0)2 412 42 78
>> or +32 (0)2 629 18 30)
>> Geert Vranken (bstaes-assistant@europarl.eu.int - +32 (0)2 284 76 42)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Plenary mailing list
>> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


From esther.joly at club-internet.fr  Sun Feb 29 17:16:00 2004
From: esther.joly at club-internet.fr (Esther Joly)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Bruxels to morrow
In-Reply-To: <000a01c3fec3$8b8d7fd0$0b01a8c0@computer03>
Message-ID: <BC67DCE0.913D%esther.joly@club-internet.fr>

Will you summarize the meeting for us ?
Il will be nice.

Esther

> De?: "Raoul Weiler" <raoul.weiler@skynet.be>
> R?pondre ??: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Date?: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:57:03 +0100
> ??: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> Objet?: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Bruxels to morrow
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Yes I am.
> 
> Raoul Weiler
> The Brussels-EU Chapter, Club of Rome
> 
> 


From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Sun Feb 29 17:18:19 2004
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Fullsack Jean-Louis)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS declaration and 2nd wsis phase
Message-ID: <001601c3fee8$082de880$0a00000a@default>

English below
Texte francais sans caracteres speciaux (accents, etc ...)

Bonjour Sally et Bill

J'aimerais vous soumettre quelques points de forme relatifs a la version finale de la Declaration de la Societe Civile (SC)

1er point : Pourquoi un delai (trop) court pour finaliser la Declaration de la SC ? 
Que nous endossions ou non ce document, nous sommes tous conscients qu'il montre des lacunes, des repetitions et des imprecisions, voire des erreurs sans parler du manque evident d'equilibre entre les differentes problematiques soulevees. Or, l'imbroglio dans lequel se trouve actuellement le processus du SMSI -et que la reunion du 26 fevrier a Geneve a amplement demontree (merci aux passage ? Chris Zielinski et Thomas Ruddy)- nous offre precisement un delai supplementaire qui permet de pallier ces lacunes et imperfections. Car nous avons enfin un peu de temps devant nous qui nous permet d'approfondir nos idees, d'apprecier leur impact sur d'autres sujets traites dans le document et d'eviter des contradictions, des incoherences ou des repetitions. Alors pourquoi pas un delai jusqu'au 15 avril ?

2eme point : La reunion du 26 fevrier a Geneve
J'avais propose au groupe C&T (courriel ? Sally) de participer a cette reunion en fonction de son ordre du jour, mais on m'a repondu que seuls deux representants de la SC sont invites par l'UIT et qu'ils sont deja declares. Or apparemment (voir le compte-rendu de nos representants) ce "numerus clausus" n'a pas ete applique. Je regrette donc de ne pas y avoir assiste.

3eme point : travail pour la phase 2
Trop d'incertitudes planent encore sur cette 2eme phase. On peut cependant estimer que deux axes de travail vont dominer : la gouvernance d'Internet et le financement des actions decidees. Ce sont des problematiques bien concretes qui exigent autant de bonne volonte et de disponibilit? que de connaissances et d'expertise. En particulier le financement concerne en grande partie les infrastructures et leur acces dans les PeD, eu egard aux investissements urgents et importants necessaires, du moins si le comblement du "Fosse Numerique" est toujours un objectif essentiel du Sommet. 
L'organisation actuelle de la SC devrait a mon avis etre revue afin que ces problemes majeurs y soient mieux traites et pour donner a la SC plus de poids dans les groupes mixtes (gouvernements, secteur prive et SC). Une entite traitant l'ensemble de cette problematique -acces, infrastructure et financement- me parait indispensable. Elle devrait avoir un "statut" equivalent au "Caucus" et sieger en tant que telle au Bureau de la SC.
Dans le cadre de cette reorganisation un regroupement de themes sur une douzaine de "titres" me parait indispensable pour la visibilite. Dans ce cas un titre "Developpement" s'impose et doit enfin et imperativement trouver sa place de priorite majeure de la SC.   

4eme point : La cooperation internationale
La "version corrigee du 12-12-2003" ne contient pas ma contribution sur ce theme qui avait pourtant ete remise via courriel a la coordination et sous forme de disquette a Bill avant le 10 decembre. Compte tenu de l'importance de ce theme et de son impact dans d'autres problematiques (en premier lieu le developpement) je demande que mon texte soit insere dans le document final, comme un nouveau ? 2.4.5  Je note par ailleurs que la "compression" de mon texte original tant sur "Acces et infrastructure" que sur "Financement" (le titre est devenu Financement et infrastructure dans la version actuelle) rend les ? 2.4.3 et 2.4.4 peu comprehensibles par endroits. Je souhaite donc que les textes originaux soient pris en compte dans la version definitive de notre Declaration. 

5eme point : Oubli dans l'organigramme de la SC
Les documents relatifs a l'organisation de la SC oublient de mentionner que je suis "Personne focale pour l'Acces et Infrastructure" dans le groupe C&T suivant sa decision. Merci de les completer en consequence.  

Je m'excuse pour la longueur du message.
Bien amicalement
Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT


In english 

Dear Sally and Bill

I'd like to submit you some formal points in relation to the final edition of the CS Declaration.

Point n?1 :Why such a (too) short deadline for finalizing the CS Declaration ? 
Our Declaration should benefit from the time left to us by the imbroglio upon the 2nd phase of the WSIS process demonstrated at the 26th feb Geneva meeting (BTW : many thanks to Chris Zielinski and Thomas Ruddy for their self-speaking report). Since the beginning we worked in a hurry so I'd suggest april 15th as a new deadline.for a complete, consistent and balanced document.

Point n?2 : the 26 feb Geneva meeting
I'd proposed to C&T to attend this meeting if its agenda would justify my presence there but was answered that only two CS reps were admitted there. However following Chris' report this rule wasn't applied. Therefore I regret not to have been there.

Point n?3 : Work during the 2nd phase
Although there are too much uncertainties upon the 2nd phase of WSIS, Internet governance and financing issues will dominate the debates and agendas. Moreover, these concrete issues involve as well good will and availability as knowledge and expertise. Especially financing is strongly related with heavy and urgent investments necessary for access and infrastructure implementation in DCs, at least as far as overcoming the "Digital Gap" is still a main objective of the Summit. 
In my opinion the current CS organisational structure should be revised, first as to strengthen its capacity to address these major and highest priority issues, second to carry greater weight in the "multistakeholder" balance especially for CS participation in formal or informal working groups set up by the intergouvernmental structure in the WSIS framework. I suggest therefore an entity to be put in place inside our C&T group, dealing with the complete access, infrastructure and financing issues and having a caucus like "status", inclusive a representation in the CS Bureau.
In the framework of this organisational revision I feel that consolidating the numerous items of our Declaration under a dozen or so titles/domains is essential for its visibility. If this is agreed upon, Development is a must that will absolutely need its place -at last- as a CS major priority in our Declaration. 

Point n? 4 : International cooperation
The december 12th revised edition of the Declaration, I do consider as a reference document (correct me please if I'm wrong), doesn't contain my contribution on this issue I'd mailed to C&T coordination and handed over to Bill (diskette) by december 10th. I ask therefore the C&T group coordination (Sallly or Bill) to insert my text in its complete wording as a new ? 2.4.5 of the final edition of our Declaration. Within other issues my contribution asks for ITU to be reformed as to come back to its constutive functions and commitments. The last events are a further proof of this undisputable necessity. 
I'd also mention some "text compressions" that were made in both my contributions on "Access and Infrastructure" and "Financing" (which became "Financing and Infrastructure" in the current edition). In many cases they have altered the sense or led to misunderstandings in ? 2.4.3 and 2.4.4. Therefore I'd like my complete original wording in account (some language corrections may be needed) for these two paragraphs in the finalized Declaration. 

Point n?5 : Missing information in CS organisation chart
Documents related to CS organization forget to mention that I'm a "Focal person for Access and Infrastructure" of the C&T group following its decision. Many thanks for completing them. 

I apologize for the length of this message.
Friendliest regards

Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT

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From meigs at wanadoo.fr  Sun Feb 29 19:37:44 2004
From: meigs at wanadoo.fr (Meigs)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Bruxels to morrow
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Le 29/02/04 18:16, ??Esther Joly?? <esther.joly@club-internet.fr> a ?crit?:


I will try to get the gist of it and certainly report on any decisions and
recommendations that might come out of it. I suspect the minutes will be put
on the site of the eccr... But it may take some time.

Best
Divina


> Will you summarize the meeting for us ?
> Il will be nice.
> 
> Esther
> 
>> De?: "Raoul Weiler" <raoul.weiler@skynet.be>
>> R?pondre ??: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>> Date?: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:57:03 +0100
>> ??: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
>> Objet?: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Bruxels to morrow
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Yes I am.
>> 
>> Raoul Weiler
>> The Brussels-EU Chapter, Club of Rome
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From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Sun Feb 29 20:19:27 2004
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata BLOEM)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Tunis meeting
Message-ID: <IBEGJNBEEELEANPJGINMMEGMDGAA.rbloem@ngocongo.org>

Just back from New York, I agree with all that the Tunis meeting is
informal, no decisions, only to push for best environment, including
logistics, of CS to participate in all future meetings. Above all to press
for resources to make meaningful participation possible.

Renata




From sburch at alainet.org  Sun Feb 29 22:36:20 2004
From: sburch at alainet.org (Sally Burch - ALAI)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: CS declaration and 2nd wsis phase
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From echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar  Sun Feb 29 18:12:42 2004
From: echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar (Enrique A.Chaparro)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:32 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Tunis meeting
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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:19:27 +0100
"Renata BLOEM" <rbloem@ngocongo.org> wrote:

[...
RB> logistics, of CS to participate in all future meetings. Above all to
RB> press for resources to make meaningful participation possible.
...]

==English below and note[1] sur fran\,cais==

La participacion significativa de la sociedad civil puede lograrse,
tambi?n, por medios t?cnicos. S?lo como ejemplo, el costo de 
financiar el viaje a T?nez (o dondequiera se hagan las reuniones
preparatorias) de un solo miembro de la SC paga con holgura la 
instalaci?n de un servidor Icecast para tener audio en todo el
mundo y en tiempo real de las reuniones; si lo combinamos con un 
canal de retorno via IRC, tendremos una razonable forma de interacci?n.

==
Meaningful participation of the CS could also be achieved by
technical means. Just as an example: the cost of financing travel 
expenses for just one member of the CS to Tunisia (or wherever the
preparatory meetings take place) would largely pay for deploying
an Icecast server which would allow having worldwide realtime 
audio of the meetings. If we merge this with an IRC return channel,
we would have a reasonable form of interaction.

==

[1] Je vous prie d'accepter mes excuses pour non fournir une
version en fran\,cais. Je peut lire le fran\,cais, mais non
l'ecrire proprement.

==

Saludos,

Enrique

-- 
``Izena duen guzia omen da.''
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