From info at virtualactivism.net  Wed Sep 22 19:15:53 2004
From: info at virtualactivism.net (info@virtualactivism.net)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:54 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Human Rights Watch report on Tunisia
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Message-ID: <000501c4a0d0$34f74ac0$8a1c723e@Marlyn>

Hello everyone. Allow me to give my two cents on this issue. While I
have noted an abundance of criticism of Tunisia, I disagree with Nabil
on almost everything he said. Sorry Nabil. The hospitality you mention
is wonderful and a source of pride to us all as Arabs, but it does not
mean that there is  no fundamental flaw in our 'governance' and a
serious problem in our ability to exercise our freedoms. I am not sure
how you say we should expect to speak freely should we stop criticism of
the 'host' given what happened in Geneva and given what happened in the
Prepcom. How do you expect us to agree to the convenience of being
'treated well' provided that we do not speak of issues that constitute
gross violations of human rights being committed? Tunisians can indeed
speak of their problems and we can show solidarity. We are not attacking
the host [and I hope anyone who is 'attacking' would not attack. Are we
attacking?]. There is a rational discussion that can go on if the 'other
side' is also willing to discuss rather than bring in bus-loads of
hooligans to the Plenary.  

Now the point, to me, is this: there is a Human Rights Caucus which
needs to continue to deal with this issue as well as with other human
rights issues in communication rights in Tunisia and beyond Tunisia. We,
in the Plenary, have other issues also. It does not mean that we should
not speak of the Tunisian violations but that the focus should shift to
other issues as well. At times Tunisia seems to force itself into the
discussion and almost [at times rightly so] hijacks it entirely to the
exclusion of all else. There ARE other issues and we need to focus on
those ALSO. 

Lastly, we took this decision in the 'proposed' Arab Caucus... at least
in the 'Egyptian' part of it for now: that even though the Tunisia issue
is important, it is not the only issue and we need to move beyond it but
certainly without excluding it.   


Marlyn Tadros, Ph.D
Executive Director
http://www.mengos.net
http://www.virtualactivism.org 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Nabil El-Khodari [mailto:webmaster@nilebasin.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:19 PM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Human Rights Watch report on Tunisia
Importance: High

Dear all:

I believe that references to Human Rights in Tunisia is not an issue
that
would be of interest to us to linger on. Let us be positive and discuss
the issues related to ICT. I assure you all - as an Arab, not Tunisian -
that you should all expect hospitality and respect that would linger in
your memory for life and all of us will have the freedom to say what we
want. However, we should all be respective of certain cultural
traditions
of the host country. It is a different culture for sure. Let the
Tunisians - not the visitors - criticize Tunisia. It would be an insult
to
attack the host, however, according to Arabic tradition, as long as you
are their guest, you can get away with almost any thing.

Let us be productive and positive, please.


Sincerely,



Nabil El-Khodari

Treasurer/Founder

Nile Basin Society



http://www.nilebasin.com

http://nile.ca/

http://www.nilebasin.net



Tel: +1 (647) 722-3265

Fax: +1 (647) 722-3273



108 Waterbury Dr.

Toronto, Ontario M9R 3Y3

Canada



"If the people will lead, the leaders will follow." Dr. David Suzuki




From info at virtualactivism.net  Thu Sep 23 09:30:46 2004
From: info at virtualactivism.net (info@virtualactivism.net)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:54 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] RE: Call for silence
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-DAV58S48qun63Q00008699@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701c4a147$a3350f50$661c723e@Marlyn>

A final comment from me on this issue:
The problem I see has to do with the human rights issue in general,
which is why I am saying it is a final comment from me since this is not
the place for its debate. In any lecture/talk/class I give about human
rights in the Arab World and about that pretext issue of cultural
specificity and universality, I always say that there is a fine line
between supporting and showing solidarity on the one hand, and being
aggressive and 'attacking' on the other. No one listens to attacks. And
if anyone listens, it will be done, if ever, with resentment. [Like the
current policy of the US towards the Mideast]. 
The best way is always to support and show solidarity. If the Tunisians
are not speaking out, we cannot speak.. but they ARE speaking out, and
we are showing solidarity - not only as 'Westerners' but also as Arabs
and as individuals who believe in the universality of human rights. 

Sometimes it is not appropriate to be aggressive unnecessarily. I have
Western students all the time who tell me we will go and speak our minds
no matter what because it is a 'human rights issue'. I think this is a
wrong approach and it will only morally satisfy the speaker. If the
speaker wants results, there is a different way. We need to always take
into consideration local issues lest we end up doing more harm than
good, mostly to those we are trying to 'save' or 'protect' or show
solidarity with. It is about doing a logical yet moral assessment, and
knowing when to speak our minds either aggressively or calmly. This,
again, does not exclude being aggressive at times, nor speaking out our
minds. 
Apologies for any diversion. I think we do need to get back to business.

:-)  

Marlyn Tadros, Ph.D
Executive Director
http://www.mengos.net
http://www.virtualactivism.org 
?????? ?????
 

-----Original Message-----
From: west Asia [mailto:westasiaregion@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 3:54 AM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] RE: Call for silence

Dear Ronald

Thanks for clarification, it is exactly the same pretext that Islamic
regime
in Iran is misusing to deny freedom of expression and closing every week
a
newspaper in this country, the say we should obey the Islamic values and
cultural values, what the hell these two have anything to do with
freedom of
expression and human rights, its just an excuse to keep us quiet.

Human rights and freedom of expression are global values, beyond
religion
and country, we should all respect and advocate it.
I ma also very happy that the international and especially the western
community is pushing for this and criticizing governments, otherwise
they
will mute us inside.

Thanks

Amir

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald Koven" <rkoven@compuserve.com>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:52 PM
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] RE: Call for silence


Dear All --

There is a name for what the Nile Basin Society is asking us to do.

It is called self-censorship.

Neither Tunisian hospitality nor Arab culture are the issues.

Tunisian regression from the free speech and human rights situation
inherited from Habib Bourguiba is the issue.

Human rights, by definition, concern everyone -- not just citizens of
the
host country. When freedom of expression and press freedom are
diminished
in one country, they are diminished for all humanity.

Sorry if that sounds preachy, but it is one of those self-evident truths
of
which we need to keep reminding ourselves.

It certainly would be nice if we didn't need to keep repeating such home
truths.

The broken record that human rights advocates feel they must keep
replaying
merely reflects the bad human rights record with which they are
confronted.

Rony Koven

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From Glenine.Hamlyn at eed.de  Wed Sep  1 09:36:05 2004
From: Glenine.Hamlyn at eed.de (Glenine.Hamlyn@eed.de)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:56 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] leaving the list
Message-ID: <OFBF991292.C8C3B851-ONC1256F02.002E211F@eed.de>

For those of you whom I met in the course of WSIS-I and the prep coms
leading up to it, I would like to inform you that due to a change of job I
will be unsubscribing from the list. I wish you all a lot of strength and
perseverence up to WSIS-II. As of October 1 I will be in Australia, in an
ecumenical church network, no longer in the so-called development field but
with a lot of opportunities to at least raise questions about things like
the communication rights of refugees, intellectual property rights, the use
of FOSS, media concentration etc. etc. And I will certainly do so.

As far as EED goes, I doubt there will be the capacity to follow WSIS in a
big way, but certainly the interest is there and there will be individual
dialogues with the various partners of EED that are involved.

With all good wishes for your further work,

Glenine Hamlyn
EED - Church Development Service
International Communication Programmes
Ulrich-von-Hassell-Str. 76
D-53123 Bonn
Germany
Tel. ++49-228-8101-2562
Fax ++49-228-8101-160



From tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn  Wed Sep  1 08:35:08 2004
From: tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn (Mohamed Tijani BEN JEMAA)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:56 2007
Subject: Répondre: [WSIS CS-Plenary] semi-serious question about
    multilingual emails
Message-ID: <200409010955.i819teYY011971@smtp1.planet.net.tn>

 Hi Milton,
I think the French translation is better than nothing. In fact, all
automatic translators are not accurate and can only help those who
understand roughly English.
Thank you for your effort.
 
-----------------------------------------
Mohamed Tijani BEN JEMAA
Adresse : BP 234, Ennasr, 
              2037 Ariana, Tunisie
Telephone : + 216 71 801 177
                  + 216 98 330 114
Fax           : + 216 71 781 927
e-mail  : tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn
-----------------------------------------


Le Me, 25 Août 2004 5:02:59 +0000, "Milton Mueller" a écrit:

A question for the French and Spanish speakers: is a Babelfish
translation better than nothing? Or is it mainly good for a laugh?

Une question pour les haut-parleurs français et espagnols : une
traduction de Babelfish est-elle meilleure que rien ? Ou est-il
principalement bon pour un rire ?

Una pregunta para los altavoces franceses y españoles: ¿es una traducción 
de Babelfish mejor que nada? ¿O es principalmente bueno para una risa?

--MM


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From acarvin at edc.org  Wed Sep  1 20:28:05 2004
From: acarvin at edc.org (Andy Carvin)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:56 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Announcing the Telecentres Working Group!
Message-ID: <413622C5.20707@edc.org>

en/fr/es

Hi everyone,

I would like to announce the creation of the Civil Society Telecentres 
Working Group. As I posted earlier this summer, I'm interested in having 
an interdisciplinary dialogue on the role of telecentres and other 
public technology initiatives in support of WSIS and the MDGs, and many 
list members expressed support for the idea. The list is now 
functioning, though discussions will not begin until September 15, to 
give people the opportunity to subscribe and participate from the 
beginning.

To join the group, please visit 
http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/telecentres and fill 
out the subscription form. Or, you may send an email to 
telecentres-request@wsis-cs.org with this word in the subject line: 
subscribe

Below is an announcement on how to join the group, if you would like to 
circulate it or translate it.

------

Je voudrais annoncer la cr?ation du groupe de travail civil de soci?t? 
pour Telecentres. Car j'ai signal? plus t?t cet ?t?, je suis int?ress? 
en ayant un dialogue interdisciplinaire sur le r?le des telecentres et 
d'autres initiatives publiques de technologie ? l'appui de WSIS et du 
MDGs, et beaucoup de le soutien exprim? de liste par membres de l'id?e. 
La liste fonctionne maintenant, bien que les discussions ne commencent 
pas avant septembre 15, pour donner aux gens l'occasion de souscrire et 
participer du commencement.

Pour joindre le groupe, visitez svp 
http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/telecentres et 
compl?tez la forme d'abonnement. Ou, vous pouvez envoyer un email ? 
telecentres-request@wsis-cs.org avec ce mot dans la ligne soumise : 
subscribe

Au-dessous de est une annonce sur la fa?on dont joindre le groupe, si 
vous voudriez le circuler ou le traduire.

-------

Quisiera anunciar la creaci?n del grupo de funcionamiento civil de la 
sociedad para Telecentres. Pues fij? anterior este verano, estoy 
interesado en tener un di?logo interdisciplinario en el papel de 
telecentres y de otras iniciativas p?blicas de la tecnolog?a en la ayuda 
de WSIS y del MDGs, y muchos ayuda expresada de la lista miembros para 
la idea. La lista ahora est? funcionando, aunque las discusiones no 
comenzar?n hasta de septiembre el 15, dar a gente la oportunidad de 
suscribir y de participar del principio.

Para ensamblar al grupo, visite por favor 
http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/telecentres y 
complete la forma de la suscripci?n. O, usted puede enviar un email a 
telecentres-request@wsis-cs.org con esta palabra en la l?nea sujeta: 
subscribe

Debajo est? un aviso en c?mo ensamblar al grupo, si usted quisiera 
circularlo o traducirlo.

-------


Announcing TELECENTRES:
A Civil Society Working Group on Community Technology
for the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS)

Open to the public; Discussions begin September 15

In November, 2005, thousands of representatives from governments, civil 
society and the private sector will go to Tunisia for the second phase 
of the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS), a United Nations 
event to identify strategies to bridge the digital divide and utilize 
information and communications technologies (ICTs) for global 
development. The civil society delegation, which includes 
representatives from NGOs, academia and other groups, is working to 
offer input to government leaders during the WSIS process, developing 
recommendations on a variety of issues, including human rights, privacy, 
health, education and copyright.

As part of civil society's contribution to WSIS, we are forming a new 
working group on telecentres and other public technology initiatives, 
including community technology centers, telecottages, public computing 
centers at schools and libraries, community wireless networks, and other 
initiatives that seek to offer Internet access, ICT training and related 
  community services to the public. Participation in the working group 
is free and open to the public.

Once online discussions commence, the group will brainstorm to identify 
specific projects that could serve the WSIS process, such as the following:

- Informing policymakers of successful strategies to utilize telecenters 
as a tool in reaching the UN Millennium Development Goals;

- Identifying opportunities for cross-sector, public-private 
partnerships for promoting sustainable telecenters;

- Organizing an international thematic conference on telecenters and 
other public computing venues;

- Establishing an international network of telecenters and telecenter 
associations at the local, national and regional level in order to forge 
greater connections between them;

- Collecting and disseminating case studies that demonstrate the rich 
diversity of telecenters, including programs run by libraries and 
community networks, and how they impact various aspects of global 
development (education, health, the environment, civic participation, 
etc.);

- Sharing of best practices and tools, translated for cultural and 
linguistic appropriateness.

Other issues may be identified as well. As discussion proceeds, 
participants will be encouraged to volunteer and coordinate various 
aspects of the working group, from organizing events, writing position 
papers and translating the group's official documents.

As this will be an international discussion, the working group will 
allow posts in English, French and Spanish; participants will be 
encouraged to utilize free translation tools such as Altavista Babelfish 
to help make the daily discussion as accessible as possible.

Subscribing to TELECENTRES

There are two options to join the group:

Option 1: Go to 
http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/telecentres and fill 
out the subscription form;

Option 2: Send an email to telecentres-request@wsis-cs.org with this 
word in the subject line: subscribe

After submitting your subscription request, you'll receive a 
confirmation request from the list server. Please follow the directions 
in this email; you'll then be confirmed as a member of the list.

Reminder: Inaugural Discussions Begin September 15

Since this is a new list, we would like to give incoming members a 
chance to participate from the beginning. To accomodate this, 
discussions on the list will not open until September 15; at that point, 
I will post an announcement welcoming members to the list, encouraging 
them to post personal introductions. Then, we will proceed with the 
discussion.

For more information, please contact Andy Carvin at the address below. 
For more on WSIS, please visit http://www.wsis.org.


-- 
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Andy Carvin
Program Director
EDC Center for Media & Community
acarvin @ edc . org
http://www.digitaldividenetwork.org
http://www.edwebproject.org/andy/blog/
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From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Fri Sep  3 10:39:01 2004
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:56 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Frrench version of draft WSIS Stocktaking document
Message-ID: <6609349.1094204341694.JavaMail.www@wwinf0803>

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From Bruno.Oudet at imag.fr  Fri Sep  3 12:58:35 2004
From: Bruno.Oudet at imag.fr (oudet)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:56 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Frrench version of draft WSIS Stocktaking document
In-Reply-To: <6609349.1094204341694.JavaMail.www@wwinf0803>
References: <6609349.1094204341694.JavaMail.www@wwinf0803>
Message-ID: <41385C6B.4000106@imag.fr>

Jean-Louis,

stocktaking : inventaire ou est ce qu'il n'y a pas derri?re l'id?e de 
capitalisation.

TB, met la pression pour vaoir un compte rendu de cette r?union par nos 
repr?sentants de la soci?t? civile.

Amiti?s

Bruno



From bruno.salgues at int-evry.fr  Fri Sep  3 13:02:08 2004
From: bruno.salgues at int-evry.fr (Bruno Salgues)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:56 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Frrench version of draft WSIS Stocktaking document
References: <6609349.1094204341694.JavaMail.www@wwinf0803> <41385C6B.4000106@imag.fr>
Message-ID: <002f01c491ad$d6822680$c2469f9d@intevry.fr>

c est un peu honteux que personne n'ai ete prevenu de cette ?volution

d'autant plus qu elle n a pas ete discutte a Hamamet ....

bruno salgues
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From: "oudet" <Bruno.Oudet@imag.fr>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Frrench version of draft WSIS Stocktaking
document


> Jean-Louis,
>
> stocktaking : inventaire ou est ce qu'il n'y a pas derri?re l'id?e de
> capitalisation.
>
> TB, met la pression pour vaoir un compte rendu de cette r?union par nos
> repr?sentants de la soci?t? civile.
>
> Amiti?s
>
> Bruno
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


From jsarr at refer.sn  Fri Sep  3 13:45:30 2004
From: jsarr at refer.sn (Joseph Sarr)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:56 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Frrench version of draft WSIS Stocktaking document
In-Reply-To: <6609349.1094204341694.JavaMail.www@wwinf0803>
References: <6609349.1094204341694.JavaMail.www@wwinf0803>
Message-ID: <1094215530.4138676a1a1e1@www.refer.sn>

Merci infiniment pour cette traduction.

Joseph SARR

Selon Jean-Louis FULLSACK <jlfullsack@wanadoo.fr>:

> French below
> Dear all CS members
> You'll find attached to this mail my translation into french of the draft
> "WSIS Stocktaking" document 
> Chers membres francophones de la SC
> Vous trouverez ci-annex?e ma traduction du (tr?s important) document sur le
> projet d"Inventaire du SMSI" 
> Bonne lecture et commentaires
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> CSDPTT
> France


-- 



From pbatreau at epistrophe.fr  Fri Sep  3 13:58:12 2004
From: pbatreau at epistrophe.fr (Philippe Batreau)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:56 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] French version of draft WSIS Stocktaking document
In-Reply-To: <6609349.1094204341694.JavaMail.www@wwinf0803>
Message-ID: <APEDIBFGGGKGGHMDDALKOEFIEGAA.pbatreau@epistrophe.fr>

Bonjour,

En version html :
http://www.smsi-territoires.net/article59.html

Cordialement,

Philippe Batreau
+33 (0)1 39 16 56 38
+33 (0)6 64 26 67 95
http://www.adminet.fr
http://www.smsi-territoires.net/
http://www.epistrophe.fr



-----Message d'origine-----
De : plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]De la part de Jean-Louis FULLSACK
Envoy? : vendredi 3 septembre 2004 11:39
? : plenary@wsis-cs.org
Cc : ct@wsis-cs.org
Objet : [WSIS CS-Plenary] Frrench version of draft WSIS Stocktaking document


French below
Dear all CS members
You'll find attached to this mail my translation into french of the draft "WSIS Stocktaking" document
Chers membres francophones de la SC
Vous trouverez ci-annex?e ma traduction du (tr?s important) document sur le projet d"Inventaire du SMSI"
Bonne lecture et commentaires
Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT
France



From muguet at mdpi.org  Fri Sep  3 14:27:58 2004
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:56 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking  / MAJ stocktaking
Message-ID: <4138715E.5020608@mdpi.org>


Dear Friends,

Thanks Jean-Louis and Bruno ( both of them ) for their last posts.
I noticed those documents concerning this important sotcktaking process
which is going on now, only very recently.
It seems that the English version of the Stocktaking document has not 
been submiited
to the Plenary list, therefore many people are going to wonder what's 
going on.
Therefore,  you will find attached
the related documents in English in the proper open ( albeit proprietary  )
pdf format.
The ITU stocktaking grid  or table is the last updated version.

Friendly yours

Francis

------------------------------------

Chers Amis,

Merci Jean-Louis et les deux Bruno pour leurs messages.
En plus des documents en Anglais en format pdf,
vous trouverez aussi en format pdf , le document que Jean-Louis a eu le 
courage
de traduire, concernant ce processus de "stocktaking"  difficile ? traduire
http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/stocktaking
disons de "mise en inventaire" ou de "participation ? l'inventaire"

Cependant, je tiens ? signaler que m?me si le document traduit par
Jean-Louis est le plus important conceptuellement,
il y a d'autres documents disponibles uniquement en Anglais,
surtout une table tr?s longue en Anglais, dont je fournis la mise ? jour
en attach?.

Amicalement

Francis

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From kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Fri Sep  3 15:45:44 2004
From: kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_Kleinw=E4chter?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:56 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking  / MAJ stocktaking
Message-ID: 
 <ACADB74FBBEFD94795A03FDBBDE62D3706D8A8@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>

Thanks Francis for posting this. Has somebody seen a report from the meeting? Karen? Renate?
 
wolfgang
 
 

________________________________

Von: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org im Auftrag von Dr. Francis MUGUET
Gesendet: Fr 03.09.2004 15:27
An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Betreff: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking / MAJ stocktaking




Dear Friends,

Thanks Jean-Louis and Bruno ( both of them ) for their last posts.
I noticed those documents concerning this important sotcktaking process
which is going on now, only very recently.
It seems that the English version of the Stocktaking document has not
been submiited
to the Plenary list, therefore many people are going to wonder what's
going on.
Therefore,  you will find attached
the related documents in English in the proper open ( albeit proprietary  )
pdf format.
The ITU stocktaking grid  or table is the last updated version.

Friendly yours

Francis

------------------------------------

Chers Amis,

Merci Jean-Louis et les deux Bruno pour leurs messages.
En plus des documents en Anglais en format pdf,
vous trouverez aussi en format pdf , le document que Jean-Louis a eu le
courage
de traduire, concernant ce processus de "stocktaking"  difficile ? traduire
http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/stocktaking
disons de "mise en inventaire" ou de "participation ? l'inventaire"

Cependant, je tiens ? signaler que m?me si le document traduit par
Jean-Louis est le plus important conceptuellement,
il y a d'autres documents disponibles uniquement en Anglais,
surtout une table tr?s longue en Anglais, dont je fournis la mise ? jour
en attach?.

Amicalement

Francis

--

------------------------------------------------------
Francis F. MUGUET
Redactor-in-Chief  IJMS
International Journal of Molecular Sciences
an Open Access Journal  http://www.ijms.org
MDPI Foundation   http://www.mdpi.net
muguet@mdpi.org  muguet@mdpi.net


Scientific Information Development Laboratory
"Knowledge Networks & Information Society" (KNIS)
ENSTA
32 Blvd Victor 75739 PARIS cedex FRANCE
Phone: (33)1 45 52 60 19  Fax: (33)1 45 52 52 82
muguet@ensta.fr   http://www.ensta.fr/~muguet
mirror            http://www.muguet.org

World Summit On the Information Society (WSIS)
Civil Society Working Group
Scientific Information :  http://www.wsis-si.org  chair
Patents & Copyrights   :  http://www.wsis-pct.org co-chair
------------------------------------------------------




From ecarll at optonline.net  Fri Sep  3 16:30:23 2004
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking  / MAJ stocktaking
In-Reply-To: <4138715E.5020608@mdpi.org>
Message-ID: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCMEINHNAA.ecarll@optonline.net>

Dear Francis,

Thank you for posting the information.  In reviewing the English version
attachments, I noticed the last attachment was in French.  Would it be
possible to post the last stocktaking attachment in English?

Thank you for your work on this.

Best regards,

Dr. Elizabeth Carll
Focal Point to WSIS
International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
Chair, Media/ICT Working Group,
NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York;
Tel: 1-631-754-2424
Fax: 1-631-754-5032
ecarll@optonline.net

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of Dr. Francis MUGUET
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:28 AM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking / MAJ stocktaking



Dear Friends,

Thanks Jean-Louis and Bruno ( both of them ) for their last posts.
I noticed those documents concerning this important sotcktaking process
which is going on now, only very recently.
It seems that the English version of the Stocktaking document has not
been submiited
to the Plenary list, therefore many people are going to wonder what's
going on.
Therefore,  you will find attached
the related documents in English in the proper open ( albeit proprietary  )
pdf format.
The ITU stocktaking grid  or table is the last updated version.

Friendly yours

Francis

------------------------------------

Chers Amis,

Merci Jean-Louis et les deux Bruno pour leurs messages.
En plus des documents en Anglais en format pdf,
vous trouverez aussi en format pdf , le document que Jean-Louis a eu le
courage
de traduire, concernant ce processus de "stocktaking"  difficile ? traduire
http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/stocktaking
disons de "mise en inventaire" ou de "participation ? l'inventaire"

Cependant, je tiens ? signaler que m?me si le document traduit par
Jean-Louis est le plus important conceptuellement,
il y a d'autres documents disponibles uniquement en Anglais,
surtout une table tr?s longue en Anglais, dont je fournis la mise ? jour
en attach?.

Amicalement

Francis

--

------------------------------------------------------
Francis F. MUGUET
Redactor-in-Chief  IJMS
International Journal of Molecular Sciences
an Open Access Journal  http://www.ijms.org
MDPI Foundation   http://www.mdpi.net
muguet@mdpi.org  muguet@mdpi.net


Scientific Information Development Laboratory
"Knowledge Networks & Information Society" (KNIS)
ENSTA
32 Blvd Victor 75739 PARIS cedex FRANCE
Phone: (33)1 45 52 60 19  Fax: (33)1 45 52 52 82
muguet@ensta.fr   http://www.ensta.fr/~muguet
mirror            http://www.muguet.org

World Summit On the Information Society (WSIS)
Civil Society Working Group
Scientific Information :  http://www.wsis-si.org  chair
Patents & Copyrights   :  http://www.wsis-pct.org co-chair
------------------------------------------------------




From thetha at sangonet.org.za  Wed Sep  1 14:36:43 2004
From: thetha at sangonet.org.za (mtintern)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [WSIS THETHA] National Civil Society ICT Roundtable
Message-ID: <MDBBIEJNJOIHHDOCENGOCEIDFEAA.thetha@sangonet.org.za>

NATIONAL CIVIL SOCIETY ICT ROUNDTABLE

"What is our stake in the multi-billion rand South African IT &
communications industry?"

9 September 2004

Johannesburg

\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

The Southern African NGO Network (SANGONeT) and the South African National
NGO Coalition (SANGOCO) are convening a national ICT roundtable event for
civil society organisations to be held on 9 September 2004 in Johannesburg.

The event will focus on the long-awaited Second National Operator (SNO),
which will be licensed on 17 September 2004, as well as the fourth draft of
the ICT Empowerment Charter, which was released  last week. Public comments
on the charter must be submitted to the Charter Working Group before 15
September 2004.

Both the SNO and ICT Empowerment Charter present civil society with unique
challenges and opportunities to ensure that all South Africans share in the
benefits of these important developments. Our failure to act in this regard
will only result in the continuation of current access, cost and ownership
trends, and not in the desired transformation of South African society and
the IT industry.

The forthcoming event will therefore provide participants with an
opportunity to gain insight into the focus and scope of both developments,
as well as to raise specific issues and expectations which will be collated
and presented to the appropriate authorities after the meeting.

The roundtable will be held on Thursday, 9 September 2004 (10h00-15h30), at
the School for Public and Development Management, Wits University in
Parktown (1st Floor, Donald Gordon Building, cnr St Andrews and St Davids,
Parktown).

A map of the venue is available on request.

If you have something to contribute and/or want to learn more about the SNO
or ICT Empowerment Charter, please attend this important event.

***************************************

If you cannot attend the event, we are still interested in your views.
Please e-mail or fax us your comments by 10 September 2004.


**************************************

Information on the SNO and ICT Empowerment Charter is available at
http://www.itweb.co.za and http://www.ictcharter.org.za.

To register for the event or submit written comments, please contact:

Sandra Roberts
SANGONeT
Tel: (011) 403-4935
Fax: (011) 403-0130
E-mail: sandra@sangonet.org.za
URL: http://www.sangonet.org.za

_______________________________________
WSIS mailing list
WSIS@lists.sn.apc.org
http://lists.sn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/wsis

From ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es  Thu Sep  2 18:14:33 2004
From: ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lady=20Murrugarra?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] GNU/Linux Day 2004 - INGRESO LIBRE
Message-ID: <20040902171433.70500.qmail@web11802.mail.yahoo.com>

GNU/Linux Day 2004
Presentaci?n
 http://usmp-lug.usmp.edu.pe/programa.html
 
La comunidad de Usuarios GNU/Linux de la Universidad de San Mart?n de Porres ? USMP-LUG dentro de sus actividades de difusi?n y apoyo a los usuarios de GNU/Linux, est? organizando el evento: 

?GNU/Linux Day 2004?
La meta del programa es promover el uso de GNU/Linux, y tecnolog?as relacionadas (tales como Apache, MySQL, Perl, PHP, y python), entre los miembros de las comunidades y Empresarios Peruanos. En algunos casos, el acontecimiento servir? como medio para lanzar grupos de inter?s basados en estudiantes de GNU/Linux. En otros ser? proporcionar un punto focal para educar, para dirigir, y para motivar a grupos de estudiante existentes.
En este GNU/Linux Day tendr? como ponentes PERSONAS y EMPRESAS queest?n trabajando hoy en d?a en ambientes de producci?n con la tecnolog?a GNU/Linux. Dichas Personas y Empresas explicar?n sus experiencias y brindar?n ayuda sobre sus casos de Exito.
Otro punto, no menos importante es sobre La Acreditaci?n que recibir? la USMP para ser el ente que brindar? en las instalaciones de la FIA (Facultad de Ingenier?a y Arquitectura) el Entrenamiento y Lugar donde se realizar?n Examenes de Certificaci?n ?nico en PERU, de las dos Certificaciones m?s importantes del mundo, brindadas por Red Hat y LPI(Linux Professional Institute).
Esperamos a todos los Linuxeros de PERU para de esta manera, integrar a los nuevos Linuxeros.
 
 

		
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From muguet at noos.fr  Fri Sep  3 17:13:53 2004
From: muguet at noos.fr (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking  / MAJ stocktaking
In-Reply-To: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCMEINHNAA.ecarll@optonline.net>
References: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCMEINHNAA.ecarll@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <41389841.3030105@noos.fr>

Dear Elizabeth

>Dear Francis,
>
>Thank you for posting the information.  In reviewing the English version
>attachments, I noticed the last attachment was in French.  Would it be
>possible to post the last stocktaking attachment in English?
>
The last attachment is the translation by Jean-Louis of an attached 
document in English.
So you are not loosing any info.
All other are English-only documents, so you are measuring the gap 
concerning
linguistic diversity.
French-only speaking ( and also Spanish-only speaking ) people are 
feeling a little left out
of this process being done only in English.
Translation has a cost that ITU could and should afford it.
Now, concerning Civil Society, it is easy to criticize,
not all the Civil Society can afford translation, but should make
it best efforts.

Best regards

Francis

>
>Thank you for your work on this.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Dr. Elizabeth Carll
>Focal Point to WSIS
>International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
>Chair, Media/ICT Working Group,
>NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York;
>Tel: 1-631-754-2424
>Fax: 1-631-754-5032
>ecarll@optonline.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
>Behalf Of Dr. Francis MUGUET
>Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:28 AM
>To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking / MAJ stocktaking
>
>
>
>Dear Friends,
>
>Thanks Jean-Louis and Bruno ( both of them ) for their last posts.
>I noticed those documents concerning this important sotcktaking process
>which is going on now, only very recently.
>It seems that the English version of the Stocktaking document has not
>been submiited
>to the Plenary list, therefore many people are going to wonder what's
>going on.
>Therefore,  you will find attached
>the related documents in English in the proper open ( albeit proprietary  )
>pdf format.
>The ITU stocktaking grid  or table is the last updated version.
>
>Friendly yours
>
>Francis
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Chers Amis,
>
>Merci Jean-Louis et les deux Bruno pour leurs messages.
>En plus des documents en Anglais en format pdf,
>vous trouverez aussi en format pdf , le document que Jean-Louis a eu le
>courage
>de traduire, concernant ce processus de "stocktaking"  difficile ? traduire
>http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/stocktaking
>disons de "mise en inventaire" ou de "participation ? l'inventaire"
>
>Cependant, je tiens ? signaler que m?me si le document traduit par
>Jean-Louis est le plus important conceptuellement,
>il y a d'autres documents disponibles uniquement en Anglais,
>surtout une table tr?s longue en Anglais, dont je fournis la mise ? jour
>en attach?.
>
>Amicalement
>
>Francis
>
>--
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Francis F. MUGUET
>Redactor-in-Chief  IJMS
>International Journal of Molecular Sciences
>an Open Access Journal  http://www.ijms.org
>MDPI Foundation   http://www.mdpi.net
>muguet@mdpi.org  muguet@mdpi.net
>
>
>Scientific Information Development Laboratory
>"Knowledge Networks & Information Society" (KNIS)
>ENSTA
>32 Blvd Victor 75739 PARIS cedex FRANCE
>Phone: (33)1 45 52 60 19  Fax: (33)1 45 52 52 82
>muguet@ensta.fr   http://www.ensta.fr/~muguet
>mirror            http://www.muguet.org
>
>World Summit On the Information Society (WSIS)
>Civil Society Working Group
>Scientific Information :  http://www.wsis-si.org  chair
>Patents & Copyrights   :  http://www.wsis-pct.org co-chair
>------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Plenary mailing list
>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>
>
>  
>




From ecarll at optonline.net  Fri Sep  3 18:21:44 2004
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking  / MAJ stocktaking
In-Reply-To: <41389841.3030105@noos.fr>
Message-ID: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCAEJBHNAA.ecarll@optonline.net>

Dear Francis,

I can understand how those not fluent in English may feel as on occasion
there are posts that are in French and other languages which some of us may
not be able to read and can imagine how frustrating it would be if these
were the majority not the minority of posts.  Hopefully, CS will be in a
position in the future to have translations automatically for all posts.

Best regards,

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of Dr. Francis MUGUET
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:14 PM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking / MAJ stocktaking


Dear Elizabeth

>Dear Francis,
>
>Thank you for posting the information.  In reviewing the English version
>attachments, I noticed the last attachment was in French.  Would it be
>possible to post the last stocktaking attachment in English?
>
The last attachment is the translation by Jean-Louis of an attached
document in English.
So you are not loosing any info.
All other are English-only documents, so you are measuring the gap
concerning
linguistic diversity.
French-only speaking ( and also Spanish-only speaking ) people are
feeling a little left out
of this process being done only in English.
Translation has a cost that ITU could and should afford it.
Now, concerning Civil Society, it is easy to criticize,
not all the Civil Society can afford translation, but should make
it best efforts.

Best regards

Francis

>
>Thank you for your work on this.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Dr. Elizabeth Carll
>Focal Point to WSIS
>International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
>Chair, Media/ICT Working Group,
>NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York;
>Tel: 1-631-754-2424
>Fax: 1-631-754-5032
>ecarll@optonline.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
>Behalf Of Dr. Francis MUGUET
>Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:28 AM
>To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking / MAJ stocktaking
>
>
>
>Dear Friends,
>
>Thanks Jean-Louis and Bruno ( both of them ) for their last posts.
>I noticed those documents concerning this important sotcktaking process
>which is going on now, only very recently.
>It seems that the English version of the Stocktaking document has not
>been submiited
>to the Plenary list, therefore many people are going to wonder what's
>going on.
>Therefore,  you will find attached
>the related documents in English in the proper open ( albeit proprietary  )
>pdf format.
>The ITU stocktaking grid  or table is the last updated version.
>
>Friendly yours
>
>Francis
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Chers Amis,
>
>Merci Jean-Louis et les deux Bruno pour leurs messages.
>En plus des documents en Anglais en format pdf,
>vous trouverez aussi en format pdf , le document que Jean-Louis a eu le
>courage
>de traduire, concernant ce processus de "stocktaking"  difficile ? traduire
>http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/stocktaking
>disons de "mise en inventaire" ou de "participation ? l'inventaire"
>
>Cependant, je tiens ? signaler que m?me si le document traduit par
>Jean-Louis est le plus important conceptuellement,
>il y a d'autres documents disponibles uniquement en Anglais,
>surtout une table tr?s longue en Anglais, dont je fournis la mise ? jour
>en attach?.
>
>Amicalement
>
>Francis
>
>--
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Francis F. MUGUET
>Redactor-in-Chief  IJMS
>International Journal of Molecular Sciences
>an Open Access Journal  http://www.ijms.org
>MDPI Foundation   http://www.mdpi.net
>muguet@mdpi.org  muguet@mdpi.net
>
>
>Scientific Information Development Laboratory
>"Knowledge Networks & Information Society" (KNIS)
>ENSTA
>32 Blvd Victor 75739 PARIS cedex FRANCE
>Phone: (33)1 45 52 60 19  Fax: (33)1 45 52 52 82
>muguet@ensta.fr   http://www.ensta.fr/~muguet
>mirror            http://www.muguet.org
>
>World Summit On the Information Society (WSIS)
>Civil Society Working Group
>Scientific Information :  http://www.wsis-si.org  chair
>Patents & Copyrights   :  http://www.wsis-pct.org co-chair
>------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Plenary mailing list
>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>
>
>
>



_______________________________________________
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Plenary@wsis-cs.org
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From martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar  Fri Sep  3 13:59:23 2004
From: martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar (Martin Olivera)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking  / MAJ stocktaking
In-Reply-To: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCAEJBHNAA.ecarll@optonline.net>
References: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCAEJBHNAA.ecarll@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <1094216363.2889.120.camel@localhost>

El vie, 03-09-2004 a las 19:21, Elizabeth Carll, PhD escribi?:
> Dear Francis,
> 
> I can understand how those not fluent in English may feel as on occasion
> there are posts that are in French and other languages which some of us may
> not be able to read and can imagine how frustrating it would be if these
> were the majority not the minority of posts.  Hopefully, CS will be in a
> position in the future to have translations automatically for all posts.
> 
NOTE: This message was left intentionally only in Spanish.
---------------------------------------------------------
Que bueno que puedas entenderlo, Elizabeth. La sociedad civil (si es que
tal cosa existe) no ha podido impedir que la organizacion de la WSIS
considere apropiadamente otros lenguajes adem?s del ingl?s. Cuando mi
compatriota argentina Beatriz Busaniche defendio en Ginebra su derecho a
exponer en espa?ol en la primera fase de la WSIS como integrante de la
Sociedad Civil (aclaro que el espa?ol no es un idioma precisamente
minoritario en el mundo, aunque no deberiamos discriminar tampoco por
mayorias y minorias), la organizaci?n del WSIS no habia previsto ninguna
forma de traducci?n. Todo era mono-ling?e, en ingles. Una verg?enza para
un foro que dice querer interpretar y reglamentar las nuevas formas de
comunicaci?n humanas, y ni siquiera esta preparado para manejar la
diversidad de las formas tradicionales de comunicaci?n como el habla.

Seria formidable tener traducciones para todos los post, y que cada uno
escriba en su lengua materna y todos entiendan en la suya propia, como
tu dices. Mientras eso no exista, no hay por qu? aceptar el monocorde
"international" english language como la opci?n ?nica.

--------------------------------------------

> Best regards,
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> Behalf Of Dr. Francis MUGUET
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:14 PM
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking / MAJ stocktaking
> 
> 
> Dear Elizabeth
> 
> >Dear Francis,
> >
> >Thank you for posting the information.  In reviewing the English version
> >attachments, I noticed the last attachment was in French.  Would it be
> >possible to post the last stocktaking attachment in English?
> >
> The last attachment is the translation by Jean-Louis of an attached
> document in English.
> So you are not loosing any info.
> All other are English-only documents, so you are measuring the gap
> concerning
> linguistic diversity.
> French-only speaking ( and also Spanish-only speaking ) people are
> feeling a little left out
> of this process being done only in English.
> Translation has a cost that ITU could and should afford it.
> Now, concerning Civil Society, it is easy to criticize,
> not all the Civil Society can afford translation, but should make
> it best efforts.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Francis
> 
> >
> >Thank you for your work on this.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >
> >Dr. Elizabeth Carll
> >Focal Point to WSIS
> >International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
> >Chair, Media/ICT Working Group,
> >NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York;
> >Tel: 1-631-754-2424
> >Fax: 1-631-754-5032
> >ecarll@optonline.net
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> >Behalf Of Dr. Francis MUGUET
> >Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:28 AM
> >To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking / MAJ stocktaking
> >
> >
> >
> >Dear Friends,
> >
> >Thanks Jean-Louis and Bruno ( both of them ) for their last posts.
> >I noticed those documents concerning this important sotcktaking process
> >which is going on now, only very recently.
> >It seems that the English version of the Stocktaking document has not
> >been submiited
> >to the Plenary list, therefore many people are going to wonder what's
> >going on.
> >Therefore,  you will find attached
> >the related documents in English in the proper open ( albeit proprietary  )
> >pdf format.
> >The ITU stocktaking grid  or table is the last updated version.
> >
> >Friendly yours
> >
> >Francis
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >Chers Amis,
> >
> >Merci Jean-Louis et les deux Bruno pour leurs messages.
> >En plus des documents en Anglais en format pdf,
> >vous trouverez aussi en format pdf , le document que Jean-Louis a eu le
> >courage
> >de traduire, concernant ce processus de "stocktaking"  difficile ? traduire
> >http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/stocktaking
> >disons de "mise en inventaire" ou de "participation ? l'inventaire"
> >
> >Cependant, je tiens ? signaler que m?me si le document traduit par
> >Jean-Louis est le plus important conceptuellement,
> >il y a d'autres documents disponibles uniquement en Anglais,
> >surtout une table tr?s longue en Anglais, dont je fournis la mise ? jour
> >en attach?.
> >
> >Amicalement
> >
> >Francis
> >
> >--
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------
> >Francis F. MUGUET
> >Redactor-in-Chief  IJMS
> >International Journal of Molecular Sciences
> >an Open Access Journal  http://www.ijms.org
> >MDPI Foundation   http://www.mdpi.net
> >muguet@mdpi.org  muguet@mdpi.net
> >
> >
> >Scientific Information Development Laboratory
> >"Knowledge Networks & Information Society" (KNIS)
> >ENSTA
> >32 Blvd Victor 75739 PARIS cedex FRANCE
> >Phone: (33)1 45 52 60 19  Fax: (33)1 45 52 52 82
> >muguet@ensta.fr   http://www.ensta.fr/~muguet
> >mirror            http://www.muguet.org
> >
> >World Summit On the Information Society (WSIS)
> >Civil Society Working Group
> >Scientific Information :  http://www.wsis-si.org  chair
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From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Fri Sep  3 19:08:25 2004
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking  / MAJ stocktaking
In-Reply-To: <ACADB74FBBEFD94795A03FDBBDE62D3706D8A8@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
Message-ID: <000001c491e1$0462a7e0$2101a8c0@Renata>

Wolfgang et al,
 
A very short summary:
 
The meeting on the 31 August had been convened as a brainstorming
exercise to help the WSIS Executive Secretariat (ES) to move forward on
the Stocktaking of Activities relevant to WSIS. Invited were a few
representatives from the various categories (see Francis' postings), and
the meeting was conducted in a free flowing informal manner (no PrepCom
rules and procedures, but also regrettably no interpretation)
It was chaired by Tim Kelly, ES responsible for stocktaking. Mr. Utsumi,
Charles Geiger (officially still on vacation) and Ambassador Karklins
were present.
 
After some general introductory remarks,  - e.g. that we have a Plan of
Action with no implementation mechanisms -  the discussion concentrated
on the purpose and modalities of such stocktaking. The Secretariat had
prepared a draft paper on Summit issues (based on the 11 WSIS Action
Lines) which could be the basis for a survey, - description of activity.
The Secretariat wants to send this out by October in form of a letter to
governments, civil society, private sector and multilateral
organisations asking for input. Under the 11 themes one would find 'Key
Words' which would help different actors as entry points for their
reporting.
 
Points were raised, particularly by CS, with regard to
*         the length of such evtl. outcome document and its overall
futility
*         criteria for format of the survey: the 11 themes being one of
them, reporting on how certain activities relate to improvements of
development and social justice issues, MDGs, e.g.gender equality,
poverty eradication, digital divide etc could be another 
Other points mentioned were:
*         participatory way: bottom-up approach
*         impact
*         qualitative benchmarking
*         performing (constant) evaluation
*         looking beyond Tunis
*         dynamic vis-?-vis static reporting
 
UNESCO Representative made following contributions. For her the purpose
is:
1.    traditional inventory stocktaking
2.    tracking and updating movements
3.    facilitating collaboration for implementation, finding potential
partners and resources
4.    learning from other groups and enabling groups to interact
UNESCO also gave a presentation of their new site on "Implementing the
WSIS Action Plan: UNESCO Takes Stock" www.unesco.org/wsisdirectory 
 
The Private Sector demanded that stocktaking should lead to Incentives
and CS (as usual) asked for resources. Government(s) pointed to cost
implications and management requirements and the ILO cautioned with
regard to a too ambitious data base.
 
Mr. Karklins reminded that the 11 themes approach would be the easiest
to proceed, as these had been agreed by all governments. Mr. Utsumi
pointed to the Summit and the need to have a report while a much more
comprehensive and dynamic way of reporting could go beyond.
 
The Secretariat concluded to have the (revised?) survey points soon on
their website for more comments before sending out the letter to all
stakeholders.  
 
  
This in short before leaving for New York (MDGs)
Can, please someone translate. CONGO expects -I don't know when- a CS
support mechanism. I keep you updated
Renata
 
 
 
     
Renate Bloem
President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
11, Avenue de la Paix
CH-1202 Geneva
Tel: +41 22 301 1000
Fax: +41 22 301 2000
E-mil: rbloem@ngocongo.org
Website: www.ngocongo.org
 
The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, membership
association that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United Nations
debates and decisions. Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective is to
ensure the presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's governments
and United Nations agencies on issues of global concern.  For more
information see our website at www.ngocongo.org
 
 
-----Message d'origine-----
De : plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] De la
part de Wolfgang Kleinw?chter
Envoy? : vendredi, 3. septembre 2004 16:46
? : plenary@wsis-cs.org; plenary@wsis-cs.org
Objet : AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking / MAJ stocktaking
 
Thanks Francis for posting this. Has somebody seen a report from the
meeting? Karen? Renate?
 
wolfgang
 
 
 
________________________________
 
Von: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org im Auftrag von Dr. Francis MUGUET
Gesendet: Fr 03.09.2004 15:27
An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Betreff: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking / MAJ stocktaking
 
 
 
 
Dear Friends,
 
Thanks Jean-Louis and Bruno ( both of them ) for their last posts.
I noticed those documents concerning this important sotcktaking process
which is going on now, only very recently.
It seems that the English version of the Stocktaking document has not
been submiited
to the Plenary list, therefore many people are going to wonder what's
going on.
Therefore,  you will find attached
the related documents in English in the proper open ( albeit proprietary
)
pdf format.
The ITU stocktaking grid  or table is the last updated version.
 
Friendly yours
 
Francis
 
------------------------------------
 
Chers Amis,
 
Merci Jean-Louis et les deux Bruno pour leurs messages.
En plus des documents en Anglais en format pdf,
vous trouverez aussi en format pdf , le document que Jean-Louis a eu le
courage
de traduire, concernant ce processus de "stocktaking"  difficile ?
traduire
http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/stocktaking
disons de "mise en inventaire" ou de "participation ? l'inventaire"
 
Cependant, je tiens ? signaler que m?me si le document traduit par
Jean-Louis est le plus important conceptuellement,
il y a d'autres documents disponibles uniquement en Anglais,
surtout une table tr?s longue en Anglais, dont je fournis la mise ? jour
en attach?.
 
Amicalement
 
Francis
 
--
 
------------------------------------------------------
Francis F. MUGUET
Redactor-in-Chief  IJMS
International Journal of Molecular Sciences
an Open Access Journal  http://www.ijms.org
MDPI Foundation   http://www.mdpi.net
muguet@mdpi.org  muguet@mdpi.net
 
 
Scientific Information Development Laboratory
"Knowledge Networks & Information Society" (KNIS)
ENSTA
32 Blvd Victor 75739 PARIS cedex FRANCE
Phone: (33)1 45 52 60 19  Fax: (33)1 45 52 52 82
muguet@ensta.fr   http://www.ensta.fr/~muguet
mirror            http://www.muguet.org
 
World Summit On the Information Society (WSIS)
Civil Society Working Group
Scientific Information :  http://www.wsis-si.org  chair
Patents & Copyrights   :  http://www.wsis-pct.org co-chair
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From ecarll at optonline.net  Fri Sep  3 20:27:06 2004
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking  / MAJ stocktaking
In-Reply-To: <1094216363.2889.120.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCEEJDHNAA.ecarll@optonline.net>

Dear Martin,

You have me at a disadvantage as I do not speak Spanish, only a few words,
and obviously you appear to be bilingual in order to respond to my post.  If
you only spoke Spanish then we would be a similar situation.

However, I used Babelfish to translate, which I know leaves a lot to be
desired and am responding to the translation I pasted below my signature,
which hopefully is somewhat accurate.

As with many international conferences and meetings including WSIS , most
are conducted in English and some have translation.  While this may not be
representative of the worlds population, it is how things evolved.  Perhaps
this is an area where funds from a private sector organization, dare I say
such as a Microsoft without being stoned, would be acceptable as the value
of the added communication at WSIS II may outweigh any concern about undue
influence, etc. etc.  Just a suggestion.   Assuming of course if there would
be an organization willing to fund translation equipment.

As an aside, I am on the Interactive Media Committee of the DPI/NGO Planning
Committee for the 2004 Annual NGO Conference being held at the UN in NY next
week.  Recognizing the importance of multilingual communication, I made the
recommendation of looking into hooking the website into the translation
equipment/headsets to be able to translate the streaming video, interactive
coverage, and dialogue that will be on the website.  While this had not been
considered before, as technically some bugs still need to be worked out, the
end result was that this is the first year that there is website coverage of
the conference taking place in 3 languages:  English, French and Spanish.
So there is progress in this direction, albeit somewhat slow.  Hopefully
next year, the bugs will have been worked out.

I believe the suggestion has been made previously on the listserv for
multilingual people to volunteer to translate, possibly for  a limited time.
This would be of considerable help until funds could be raised for
translation.

Best regards,

Elizabeth

Dr. Elizabeth Carll
Focal Point to WSIS
International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
Chair Media/ICT Working Group,
NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York
Tel: 1-631-754-2424
Fax: 1-631-754-5032
ecarll@optonline.net

Babel Fish Translation

In English:
<<That good that you can understand it, Elizabeth. The civil society (if it
is that such thing exists) has not been able to prevent that organizacion of
the WSIS considers other languages appropriately in addition to the English.
When my Argentine compatriot Beatriz Busaniche defendio in Geneva its right
to expose in Spanish in first stage of the integral WSIS as of the Civil
Society (I clarify that the Spanish is not a indeed minority language in the
world, although nondeberiamos to discriminate either by mayorias and
minorias), the organization of the WSIS not habia anticipated no form of
translation. Everything was monkey-ling?e, in ingles. A shame for a forum
that says to want to interpret and to regulate the new human forms of
communication, and not even this prepared to handle the diversity of the
traditional forms of communication as the speech.

Serious formidable to have translations for all post, and that each one
writes in its maternal language and all understand in the hers own one, as
your you say. While that does not exist, it does not have why to accept
monocorde "international" english language like the unique option.>>


-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of Martin Olivera
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:59 AM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking / MAJ stocktaking


El vie, 03-09-2004 a las 19:21, Elizabeth Carll, PhD escribi?:
> Dear Francis,
>
> I can understand how those not fluent in English may feel as on occasion
> there are posts that are in French and other languages which some of us
may
> not be able to read and can imagine how frustrating it would be if these
> were the majority not the minority of posts.  Hopefully, CS will be in a
> position in the future to have translations automatically for all posts.
>
NOTE: This message was left intentionally only in Spanish.
---------------------------------------------------------
Que bueno que puedas entenderlo, Elizabeth. La sociedad civil (si es que
tal cosa existe) no ha podido impedir que la organizacion de la WSIS
considere apropiadamente otros lenguajes adem?s del ingl?s. Cuando mi
compatriota argentina Beatriz Busaniche defendio en Ginebra su derecho a
exponer en espa?ol en la primera fase de la WSIS como integrante de la
Sociedad Civil (aclaro que el espa?ol no es un idioma precisamente
minoritario en el mundo, aunque no deberiamos discriminar tampoco por
mayorias y minorias), la organizaci?n del WSIS no habia previsto ninguna
forma de traducci?n. Todo era mono-ling?e, en ingles. Una verg?enza para
un foro que dice querer interpretar y reglamentar las nuevas formas de
comunicaci?n humanas, y ni siquiera esta preparado para manejar la
diversidad de las formas tradicionales de comunicaci?n como el habla.

Seria formidable tener traducciones para todos los post, y que cada uno
escriba en su lengua materna y todos entiendan en la suya propia, como
tu dices. Mientras eso no exista, no hay por qu? aceptar el monocorde
"international" english language como la opci?n ?nica.

--------------------------------------------

> Best regards,
>
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> Behalf Of Dr. Francis MUGUET
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:14 PM
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking / MAJ stocktaking
>
>
> Dear Elizabeth
>
> >Dear Francis,
> >
> >Thank you for posting the information.  In reviewing the English version
> >attachments, I noticed the last attachment was in French.  Would it be
> >possible to post the last stocktaking attachment in English?
> >
> The last attachment is the translation by Jean-Louis of an attached
> document in English.
> So you are not loosing any info.
> All other are English-only documents, so you are measuring the gap
> concerning
> linguistic diversity.
> French-only speaking ( and also Spanish-only speaking ) people are
> feeling a little left out
> of this process being done only in English.
> Translation has a cost that ITU could and should afford it.
> Now, concerning Civil Society, it is easy to criticize,
> not all the Civil Society can afford translation, but should make
> it best efforts.
>
> Best regards
>
> Francis
>
> >
> >Thank you for your work on this.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >
> >Dr. Elizabeth Carll
> >Focal Point to WSIS
> >International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
> >Chair, Media/ICT Working Group,
> >NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York;
> >Tel: 1-631-754-2424
> >Fax: 1-631-754-5032
> >ecarll@optonline.net
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> >Behalf Of Dr. Francis MUGUET
> >Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:28 AM
> >To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking / MAJ stocktaking
> >
> >
> >
> >Dear Friends,
> >
> >Thanks Jean-Louis and Bruno ( both of them ) for their last posts.
> >I noticed those documents concerning this important sotcktaking process
> >which is going on now, only very recently.
> >It seems that the English version of the Stocktaking document has not
> >been submiited
> >to the Plenary list, therefore many people are going to wonder what's
> >going on.
> >Therefore,  you will find attached
> >the related documents in English in the proper open ( albeit
roprietary  )
> >pdf format.
> >The ITU stocktaking grid  or table is the last updated version.
> >
> >Friendly yours
> >
> >Francis
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >Chers Amis,
> >
> >Merci Jean-Louis et les deux Bruno pour leurs messages.
> >En plus des documents en Anglais en format pdf,
> >vous trouverez aussi en format pdf , le document que Jean-Louis a eu le
> >courage
> >de traduire, concernant ce processus de "stocktaking"  difficile ?
traduire
> >http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/stocktaking
> >disons de "mise en inventaire" ou de "participation ? l'inventaire"
> >
> >Cependant, je tiens ? signaler que m?me si le document traduit par
> >Jean-Louis est le plus important conceptuellement,
> >il y a d'autres documents disponibles uniquement en Anglais,
> >surtout une table tr?s longue en Anglais, dont je fournis la mise ? jour
> >en attach?.
> >
> >Amicalement
> >
> >Francis
> >
> >--
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------
> >Francis F. MUGUET
> >Redactor-in-Chief  IJMS
> >International Journal of Molecular Sciences
> >an Open Access Journal  http://www.ijms.org
> >MDPI Foundation   http://www.mdpi.net
> >muguet@mdpi.org  muguet@mdpi.net
> >
> >
> >Scientific Information Development Laboratory
> >"Knowledge Networks & Information Society" (KNIS)
> >ENSTA
> >32 Blvd Victor 75739 PARIS cedex FRANCE
> >Phone: (33)1 45 52 60 19  Fax: (33)1 45 52 52 82
> >muguet@ensta.fr   http://www.ensta.fr/~muguet
> >mirror            http://www.muguet.org
> >
> >World Summit On the Information Society (WSIS)
> >Civil Society Working Group
> >Scientific Information :  http://www.wsis-si.org  chair
> >Patents & Copyrights   :  http://www.wsis-pct.org co-chair
> >------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
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From adavidziuk at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  3 22:57:58 2004
From: adavidziuk at yahoo.com (alejandra davidziuk)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [Crisinfo.org - news ENG ESP – September 3, 2004]
Message-ID: <20040903215758.27696.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com>

[Crisinfo.org - news ENG ESP – September 3, 2004]

REMINDER:
Supinya Klangnarong, media advocate, and her
codefendants from the local newspaper "Thai Post"
start their criminal libel trial on Monday September
6. 
[Find articles about her and the case below]

RECORDATORIO:
Supinya Klangnarong, defensora de los medios libres, y
sus seguidores del diario local “Thai Post” iniciarán
su juicio criminal por difamación el lunes 6 de
Septiembre.
[Encuentre artículos sobre su vida y su caso]

SE FORMÓ EL “FORO DE COMUNICACIÓN Y PARTICIPACIÓN
CIUDADANA”
En la ciudad de Montevideo, el 31 de agosto de 2004,
reunidas las organizaciones, instituciones y personas
a título individual que suscriben la presente, se dejó
formalmente constituido el “Foro de Comunicación y
Participación Ciudadana”, con el objetivo de crear un
escenario de encuentro de los diversos actores de la
sociedad civil, fomentando la participación ciudadana
en relación con las Políticas Públicas en materia de
información y comunicación. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/389/

WACC: CURSO DE DIREITOS À COMUNICAÇÃO - CONCEITOS
BÁSICOS
O curso foi preparado pela Região América Latina da
World Association for Christian Communication (WACC ),
a partir de documentos, discussões e diretrizes
compartilhadas pelos participantes da Campanha CRIS -
Communication Rights in the Information Society.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/376/

WACC IMPULSA CURSO CON CONCEPTOS BÁSICOS DE DERECHOS A
LA COMUNICACIÓN
La Asociación Mundial para la Comunicación Cristiana
(WACC) promueve el curso "Derechos a la comunicación -
Conceptos Básicos". El curso se basa en los principios
de libertad, inclusión, diversidad y participación.
Según la organización WACC, se trata del tema
principal de la Campaña de los Derechos de
Comunicación en la Sociedad de la Información (CRIS).
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/375/

HANDS-ON WORKSHOP ON FREE SOFTWARE TARGETS WOMEN
TECHNICIANS FROM SOUTHERN AFRICA 
>From 6-10 September 2004 in Johannesburg, South
Africa, Women'sNet will host a southern Africa-wide
workshop to build awareness of and demonstrate the
potential use of free and open source software (FOSS)
in the non-profit sector, and women's organisations
specifically. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/395/

TALLER PRÁCTICO SOBRE SOFTWARE LIBRE DIRIGIDO A LAS
MUJERES TÉCNICAS DEL SUR DE AFRICA
Del 6 al 10 de septiembre de 2004 en Johanesburgo
(Sudáfrica), Women'sNet llevará a cabo un taller
abierto a todo el sur de Africa destinado a
concientizar y demostrar el potencial de uso del
software libre en el sector sin fines de lucro y, en
especial, de organizaciones de mujeres. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/394/

SUPPORTING THE MEDIA ACTIVIST MS SUPINYA KLANGNARONG
>From 3rd to 6th August 2004, over 40 Pan-Asians
organisations met in Manila, the Philippines to
strategise and coordinate actions around Communication
Rights in the region. All present undersigned the
letter that was sent out to SHIN Corp. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/379/

BRINDANDO APOYO A LA ACTIVISTA TAILANDESA SUPINYA
KLANGNARONG
Del 3 al 6 de Agosto de 2004, más de 40 organizaciones
panamericanas y asiáticas se reunieron en Manila, Las
Filipinas, para acordar una estrategia y coordinar las
acciones para fomentar los Derechos a la Comunicación
en la región. Todos los presentes firmaron la carta
que WACC envió a SHIN Corp en apoyo a Supinya
Klangnarong, secretaria general de la Campaña por la
Reforma Popular de los Medios.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/381/

SPECIAL INTERVIEW: MS. SUPINYA KLANGNARONG
"I just tell myself, if you do not regret and you can
be proud of yourself, you are confident in what you
do, that is enough. You let it be." Ms. Supinya
Klangnarong, Secretary General of the Campaign for
Popular Media Reform in Thailand, sums up her feeling
as the court day in early September is near, in an
interview August 6th, in Manila with IBON, a long time
WACC corporate member in the Philippines. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/382/

¿QUIERE PARTICIPAR? FIRME LA CARTA DE CRIS
Nuestra visión de la Sociedad de la Información se
fundamenta en el Derecho a Comunicar como un medio de
acrecentar los derechos humanos y fortalecer la vida
social, económica y cultural de las personas y las
comunidades. Para lograrlo, resulta fundamental que
las organizaciones de la sociedad civil se unan para
cooperar en la construcción de una sociedad de la
información basada en principios de transparencia,
diversidad, participación, justicia social y
económica, e inspiradas por la equidad de género y las
perspectivas culturales y regionales. Lo invitamos a
conocer más sobre la Campaña de CRIS y a participar
firmando la Carta de CRIS: 
http://scripts.planetgrey.org/cris/sign_charter_form.html
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/97/ 

LA CHARTE DE CRIS
Notre vision de la «société de l’information» est
basée sur le droit de communiquer qui est considéré
comme un moyen pour étendre les droits de l’homme et
améliorer la vie sociale, économique et culturelle des
personnes et des communautés. Pour cela, il est
essentiel que les organisations de la société civile
se réunissent afin d’aider à la construction d’une
société de l’information basée sur les principes de
transparence, de diversité, de participation et de
justice économique et sociale et inspirée par une
approche équitable du rapport des sexes, de la culture
et des aspects régionaux.
http://scripts.planetgrey.org/cris/sign_charter_form.html
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/95/

WOULD YOU LIKE TO GET INVOLVED? ENDORSE THE CRIS
CHARTER
Our vision of the 'Information Society' is grounded in
the Right to Communicate, as a means to enhance human
rights and to strengthen the social, economic and
cultural lives of people and communities. Crucial to
this is that civil society organisations come together
to help build an information society based on
principles of transparency, diversity, participation
and social and economic justice, and inspired by
equitable gender, cultural and regional perspectives.
We invite you to read more about CRIS Campaign and get
involved endorsing the CRIS Chapter:
http://scripts.planetgrey.org/cris/sign_charter_form.html
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/98/ 

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From martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar  Fri Sep  3 21:22:40 2004
From: martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar (Martin Olivera)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking  / MAJ stocktaking
In-Reply-To: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCEEJDHNAA.ecarll@optonline.net>
References: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCEEJDHNAA.ecarll@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <1094242960.1871.226.camel@localhost>

El vie, 03-09-2004 a las 21:27, Elizabeth Carll, PhD escribi?:
> Dear Martin,
> 
Dear Elizabeth,

> You have me at a disadvantage as I do not speak Spanish, only a few words,
> and obviously you appear to be bilingual in order to respond to my post.  If
> you only spoke Spanish then we would be a similar situation.
> 
> However, I used Babelfish to translate, which I know leaves a lot to be
> desired and am responding to the translation I pasted below my signature,
> which hopefully is somewhat accurate.
> 
> As with many international conferences and meetings including WSIS , most
> are conducted in English and some have translation.  While this may not be
> representative of the worlds population, it is how things evolved.  
It is so, but we, the non-native English speakers (but knowing English)
should act against it. All the non-English speakers should be defended
by us.

> Perhaps
> this is an area where funds from a private sector organization, dare I say
> such as a Microsoft without being stoned,
Perhaps I did not understand well your prop?sal about Microsoft.
We may accept their support, but only using Libre Software, because I
like to view how the translator code is done. I should be sure if
Microsoft is translating what I am saying in a right way.
With proprietary software I could not be sure ever.

If Microsoft accepts to do that with Libre Software, we should be very
grateful for their support. I do not think they accept, but we may
ask...

>  would be acceptable as the value
> of the added communication at WSIS II may outweigh any concern about undue
> influence, etc. etc.  Just a suggestion.   Assuming of course if there would
> be an organization willing to fund translation equipment.
> 
It should not depend on "if there would be an organization willing to
fund". It is not just an extra detail, if WSIS could not support
language diversity, what kind of "Information Society" are we talking
about?
Ah, ok, a uniformized, exclusive one. Thanks, I'?l prefer the real
information society, qith all its omplexity and multicultural reality.

> As an aside, I am on the Interactive Media Committee of the DPI/NGO Planning
> Committee for the 2004 Annual NGO Conference being held at the UN in NY next
> week.  Recognizing the importance of multilingual communication, I made the
> recommendation of looking into hooking the website into the translation
> equipment/headsets to be able to translate the streaming video, interactive
> coverage, and dialogue that will be on the website.  While this had not been
> considered before, as technically some bugs still need to be worked out, the
> end result was that this is the first year that there is website coverage of
> the conference taking place in 3 languages:  English, French and Spanish.
> So there is progress in this direction, albeit somewhat slow.  Hopefully
> next year, the bugs will have been worked out.
CONGRATULATIONS! 
That is exactly what I am talking about, I support very much your
initiative.

> 
> I believe the suggestion has been made previously on the listserv for
> multilingual people to volunteer to translate, possibly for  a limited time.
> This would be of considerable help until funds could be raised for
> translation.
Sure, but asking for volunteers to translate and not defining WSIS funds
for this shows a conceptual error in the way of giving important to
cultural diversity in Information Society. It is not a matter of funds,
it is a matter of main concepts. 

Conmgratulations for your initiative about multilingual support.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> Dr. Elizabeth Carll
> Focal Point to WSIS
> International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
> Chair Media/ICT Working Group,
> NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York
> Tel: 1-631-754-2424
> Fax: 1-631-754-5032
> ecarll@optonline.net
> 
> Babel Fish Translation
> 
> In English:
> <<That good that you can understand it, Elizabeth. The civil society (if it
> is that such thing exists) has not been able to prevent that organizacion of
> the WSIS considers other languages appropriately in addition to the English.
> When my Argentine compatriot Beatriz Busaniche defendio in Geneva its right
> to expose in Spanish in first stage of the integral WSIS as of the Civil
> Society (I clarify that the Spanish is not a indeed minority language in the
> world, although nondeberiamos to discriminate either by mayorias and
> minorias), the organization of the WSIS not habia anticipated no form of
> translation. Everything was monkey-ling?e, in ingles. A shame for a forum
> that says to want to interpret and to regulate the new human forms of
> communication, and not even this prepared to handle the diversity of the
> traditional forms of communication as the speech.
> 
> Serious formidable to have translations for all post, and that each one
> writes in its maternal language and all understand in the hers own one, as
> your you say. While that does not exist, it does not have why to accept
> monocorde "international" english language like the unique option.>>
> 



From wdrake at ictsd.ch  Sat Sep  4 04:37:28 2004
From: wdrake at ictsd.ch (William Drake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] FW: [governance] Speakers at the September 20-21 consultation[strategic considerations]
Message-ID: <MABBIHAAPBEEGMLBDEGOAEMLDKAA.wdrake@ictsd.ch>

Perhaps of wider interest

-----Original Message-----
From: William Drake [mailto:wdrake@ictsd.ch]
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:52 AM
To: Adam Peake; governance@lists.cpsr.org
Cc: karenb@gn.apc.org; jeanette@wz-berlin.de
Subject: RE: [governance] Speakers at the September 20-21
consultation[strategic considerations]


Hi,

Glad to have Karen aboard. We all might want to coordinate a little here.
The first panel will map out the range of IG mechanisms, different ways of
listing/typologizing.  Believe this is me, Jovan, and Milton, giving
personal perspectives.  We will sort of say, here's different ways of
thinking about the menu of governance arrangements that should be kept in
mind when discussing IG, and the next step is to pick from that menu which
issues require priority attention and hence should be taken up in depth by
the WG.   The panel to follow will be government, industry, and CS
spokespeople (Karen) saying ok given those suggested menus and other ways of
visualizing the terrain, here from our perspective are the top priority
issues that the WG should consider. Following that panel, the plenary debate
will be a chance for the all assembled to weigh in on which are the
priorities.

The government and industry speakers will presumably get up and say we
should all focus on this, not that.  On the basis of the debates thus far,
e.g. in ITU and in the WSIS working group sessions held during the prepcoms,
it is reasonable to guess that the government and industry speakers'
preferences may or may not align with ours. You will recall for example the
often invoked notions that 1) issues being "handled" (by implication,
handled well) elsewhere need not be revisited, such as trade and e-commerce
(WTO has it together, nothing to worry about), intellectual property (WIPO
and WTO have it together, nothing to worry about), privacy (OECD/COE/EU have
it together, nothing to worry about), etc etc., and 2) other items some of
us think of as governance or as requiring collective rules where there are
none really are not governance and should not be treated as such, e.g.
technical standardization, interconnection pricing, spam, competition
policy/industry concentration, cultural and linguistic diversity, etc. Refer
back to the brief discussion we had about Mike Nelson's INET presentation,
which was of this character.

So this is about what gets taken off the table as not being IG and an
appropriate topic for consideration by the WG, and what gets left on.  The
WG will not be bound per se by what the consultation identifies as
priorities or not priorities, but it will certainly have to take this into
account.  Hence, it might be helpful if CS had some broadly shared sense of
what are the top five or so topics we think are most pressing and deserving
of WG attention, and for our interventions to push that agenda.  We should
play this as strategically as the other parties, or the consultation could
end up like the UNICT TF forum, with everyone walking around saying either
we need ITU to take over from ICANN or at least GAC (some developing
countries)  and "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" (industry) and everything
else falling away.  That would be sort of a missed opportunity to start a
more coherent dialogue about democratizing global governance.

Best,

Bill

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Peake [mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp]
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 11:43 PM
> To: governance@lists.cpsr.org
> Cc: karenb@gn.apc.org; jeanette@wz-berlin.de
> Subject: [governance] Speakers at the September 20-21 consultation
>
>
> Markus Kummer needs to complete the program for his meeting on
> September 20-21.
>
> As mentioned, he wrote to Jeanette and me asking us to speak.  Me on
> the first day, and Jeanette on the second.  We thought it a bit of a
> problem to have both of us speak, partly because that's not why we
> wanted to be coordinators, and partly because we wanted to try for a
> little diversity in the panels and CS presence.
>
> So we have asked Karen Banks to speak in the slot on Monday Sept 20.
> She has kindly agreed. The theme for the first day is "nature and
> scope of Internet governance and on setting priorities", and Karen
> will provide a civil society perspective.  Karen and APC have done
> work on this, it's a good fit.  It's 10 minute (max) presentation.
>
> Jeanette will speak on the second day on a panel discussing the
> multi-stakeholder character of WGIG.
>
> I've sent email to Markus.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam (and Jeanette, who should be on a beach and not reading email !)
>
>






From karenb at gn.apc.org  Sat Sep  4 10:48:34 2004
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IMPORTANT: CS input to WSIS
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20040904103913.03b63520@pop.gn.apc.org>

** Could i ask for someone to translate this message into french and 
spanish? i would rather not use babel for this message **

Est-ce que je pourrais demander quelqu'un pour traduire ce message en 
fran?ais et espagnol ? je n'emploierais plut?t pas Babel pour ce message

?Podr?a pedir alguien traducir este mensaje al franc?s y espa?ol? no 
utilizar?a algo Babel para este mensaje

----
dear all,

As you know, there are several convergant/parallel processes within the 
WSIS agenda which various CS members are involved with.

There are two issues which require our immediate attention:

1) Response to the consultation on Stocktaking/Implementation
2) Input to the Working group on Internet Governance

Both processes require input by ** September 13th **.

I am going to post some further _brief_ information on both (in addition to 
renate's report and the many contributions from the WSIS CS internet 
governance caucus) - but - it is clear that we need a space to post files 
and keep records of documents.

** Is someone able to setup a wiki for us to use for work on the above - 
and future WSIS issues **

If so, please let us know asap as we have little time to prepare our inputs.

in addition, we will need to rely on our wonderful volunteer translators to 
help with the stocktaking documents. Revised versions of the concept note 
will be posted very soon (by monday i would think), but the ITU is unable 
to translate.

** Can those of you who would be able to do fast translation (the document 
is 2 pages) - let us know here so that we can be ready to translate as soon 
as we have the documents) - and indicate which language you are able to 
translate to **

all the best
karen



From echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar  Sat Sep  4 18:44:39 2004
From: echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar (Enrique A. Chaparro)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IMPORTANT: CS input to WSIS
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20040904103913.03b63520@pop.gn.apc.org>
References: <6.1.1.1.0.20040904103913.03b63520@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <20040904174439.7b4afa31.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>

On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:48:34 +0100
karen banks <karenb@gn.apc.org> wrote:

KB> ** Could i ask for someone to translate this message into french and 
KB> spanish? i would rather not use babel for this message **

Spanish translation follows. My french is not good enough for even 
trying :)

Sigue traduccion al espa?ol. Mi frances no es bueno siquiera para
intentarlo.

:::COMIENZO DE TRADUCCION:::
Estimad[o|a]s
Como saben, hay varios procesos convergentes/paralelos en la agenda
de la CMSI en los que estan involucrados diversos miembros de la SC.

Hay dos cuestiones que requieren nuestra atencion inmediata:

1) Respuesta a la consulta sobre Inventario/Implementacion
2) `Input' para el Grupo de Trabajo sobre el Gobierno de Internet

Se requieren contribuciones para ambos procesos para el **13 de
septiembre**.

Voy a presentar alguna _breve_ informacion adicional sobre ambos 
(adicionalmente al informe de Renate y a las muchas contribuciones 
del Caucus de la SC de la CMSI sobre gobierno de Internet) *pero*
esta claro que necesitamos un espacio para remitir archivos y guardar
registro de los documentos.

?Hay alguien en condiciones de establecer un Wiki para que lo
utilicemos en las cuestiones de la CMSI indicadas mas arriba, y
en otras cuestiones futuras?

Si es asi, por favor hagannolso conocer a la myor brevedad, pues
tenemos poco tiempo para preparar nuestras contribuciones.

Ademas, necesitaremos apoyarnos en nuestros magnificos traductores
voluntarios para ayudar con los documentos de inventario. Muy pronto
(pienso que el lunes) se publicaran versiones revisadas de la nota
de concepto, pero la ITU no esta en condiciones de traducirlas.

**?Podr?an aquell[o|a]s de ustedes capaces de traducir r?pidamente (el
documento tiene dos carillas) hac?rnoslo saber, para que estemos 
listos para traducir tan pronto como tengamos los documentos -- e
indicar a cual idioma pueden traducir?**

Con los mejores deseos,

karen
:::FIN DE TRADUCCION::

Un comentario adicional:
Respecto del llamado de Karen a traductores voluntarios, puedo
traducir `sobre la marcha' al espa?ol, a condicion de que los
documentos sean breves. No tengo tiempo suficiente para llevar
a cabo traducciones largas, puesto que mi participacion en este
proceso es totalmente voluntaria, y debo trabajar en cuestiones
totalmente diferentes para ganarme el sustento.
Por otro lado, quiero destacar que _debemos_ insistir ante la
UIT que es su _deber_ (y no una concesion graciosa) traducir
_todos_ los documentos oficiales a las seis lenguas oficiales de
las Naciones Unidas. Puede que esten escasos de fondos, pero
nosotros lo estamos m?s.

An additional comment:
WRT to karen's call for volunteer translators, I can translate to
Spanish `on the fly' provided that the documents are short. I do not have
enough time for undertaking long translations, since my participation
in this process is on a purely voluntary basis, and I must work in
totally different issues for my bread and butter :)
OTOH, I want to remark that we _must_ insist before the ITU that
is _their_duty_ (and not a goodwill concession) to translate _all_
official documents to the six UN official languages. They might be
short of funds, but we are undoubtfully shorter.

Saludos desde el Lejano Sur,

Enrique


-- 
``Izena duen guzia omen da.''
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From lists at mraihi.com  Sun Sep  5 02:01:03 2004
From: lists at mraihi.com (Marouen MRAIHI)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] French: IMPORTANT: CS input to WSIS
References: <6.1.1.1.0.20040904103913.03b63520@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <00a501c492e4$16ab7270$16be96d5@ic2>

Traduction en fran?ais du message de karen banks <karenb@gn.apc.org> envoy?
le 4/9/2004
_____________________________________

Chers tous;

Comme vous savez, il y a plusieurs processus convergents / parall?les  dans
l'agenda du SMSI dans lesquels plusieurs membres de la CS sont impliqu?s.

Il y a deux questions qui exigent notre imm?diate attention:

1) R?ponse ? la consultation sur l'Inventaire/Mise en oeuvre
2) Entr?e au groupe de travail sur la gouvernance d'Internet

Les deux processus exigent un apport avant ** le 13 septembre **.

Je vais poster plus loin certaines informations - concises - sur (en plus du
rapport de Renate et les nombreuses contributions du caucus de la
Gouvernance d'Internet de la CS du SMSI ) - mais - il est clair que nous
avons besoin d'un espace pour poster des fichiers et garder les documents.

** Est-ce que quelqu'un est capable de nous installer un wiki pour ?tre
utilis? pour le travail ci-dessus et ? l'avenir pour les sujets du SMSI  **

Si c'est le cas, SVP informez nous d?s que possible puisque nous avons peu
de temps pour pr?parer nos apports.

De plus, nous devrons compter sur nos merveilleux traducteurs volontaires
pour aider avec les documents de l'inventaire. Les versions r?vis?es de la
note de concept seront post?es tr?s bient?t (probablement lundi), mais l'ITU
est incapable de les traduire.

** Ceux qui sont capables de traduire rapidement (le document est en 2
pages) faites le nous savoir ici pour que nous soyons pr?ts de traduire d?s
que nous aurons les documents)  et indiquez nous vers quelle langues vous
pourriez le faire **

all the best
karen


From lists at mraihi.com  Sun Sep  5 01:59:39 2004
From: lists at mraihi.com (Marouen MRAIHI)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] French : Update stocktaking  / MAJ stocktaking
References: <000001c491e1$0462a7e0$2101a8c0@Renata>
Message-ID: <009701c492e3$fda05070$16be96d5@ic2>

Traduction du message de Renata Bloem <rbloem@ngocongo.org> envoy? le
3/9/2004
_____________________________________

A Wolfgang et ? tous,

A tr?s court r?sum?

La r?union du 31 ao?t avait ?t? convoqu?e comme un exercice de r?flexion en
pour aider le Secr?tariat Ex?cutif du WSIS (ES) ? avancer sur l'Inventaire
des activit?s se rapportant au SMSI.
Seulement quelques repr?sentants de diverses cat?gories avaient ?t? invit?
(voir les envois de Francis) et la r?union s'est d?roul?e d'une fa?on
informelle et libre (Pas de r?gles du PrepCom ni proc?dures, mais
malheureusement pas d'interpr?tation non plus)
La r?union a ?t? pr?sid?e par Tim Kelly, ES responsable de l'inventaire au
secr?tariat Ex?cutif. M. Utsumi, Charles Geiger (officiellement toujours en
vacances) et l'Ambassadeur Karklins ?taient pr?sents.

Apr?s quelques remarques g?n?rales d'introduction, - par exemple que nous
avons un Plan d'Action sans m?canismes de mise en oeuvre - la discussion s'
est concentr?e sur le but et les modalit?s d'un tel inventaire.
Le Secr?tariat avait pr?par? un brouillon sur les probl?mes du Sommet (bas?
sur les 11 Lignes d'Action du SMSI) qui pourrait ?tre la base pour une
enqu?te, - la description d'activit?.
Le Secr?tariat veut le faire sortir avant octobre en forme d'une lettre aux
gouvernements, la soci?t? civile, le secteur priv? et les organisations
multilat?rales demandant leurs apports. Parmi les 11 th?mes on trouverait '
des Mots Clefs' qui aideraient les diff?rents acteurs comme des points
d'entr?e pour leur rapport.

Des points ont ?t? soulev?s, particuli?rement par la CS, en ce qui concerne
:
-        la longueur d'un tel document de r?sultat et sa futilit? compl?te
-        les crit?res pour le format de l'enqu?te: les 11 th?mes ?tant un
d'entre eux, faisant un rapport comment certaines activit?s touchent aux
am?liorations du d?veloppement et des probl?mes de la justice sociales,
MDGs. Par exemple l'?galit? des sexes, ?radication de la povert?, la
fracture num?rique, etc. peut ?tre une autre.

D'autres points mentionn?s ?taient :
-        voie participative
-        impact
-        ?valuation qualitative des performances
-        ex?cution (constante) de l'?valuation
-        regardant au-del? de Tunis
-        rapport statique vis-?-vis dynamique

Le repr?sentant de l'UNESCO a fait les contributions suivantes. Pour elle le
but est :
1.    Inventaire traditionnel
2.    D?pistage et mise ? jour des mouvements
3.    La facilitation de la collaboration pour la mise en oeuvre, trouver
des partenaires et de ressources potentiels
4.    L'?tude d'autres groupes et permettre aux groupes d'interagir
r?ciproquement

L'UNESCO a aussi donn? une pr?sentation de leur nouveau site sur
"l'Ex?cution du Plan d'Action du SMSI: L'UNESCO Fait le point"
www.unesco.org/wsisdirectory

Le Secteur Priv? a exig? que l'inventaire doit mener aux motivations et la
CS (comme d'habitude) a demand? des ressources. Le(s) gouvernement(s) ont
indiqu? les exigences des implications et de la gestion et l'ILO ont averti
en ce qui concerne la base de donn?es trop ambitieuse.

M. Karklins a rappel? que l'approche des 11 th?mes serait la plus facile ?
proc?der, puisqu'ils avaient ?t? consentis par tous les gouvernements. M.
Utsumi a indiqu? le Sommet et le besoin d'avoir un rapport tandis qu'une
fa?on beaucoup plus compr?hensive et dynamique de reporting pourrait aller
au-del?.

Le Secr?tariat a conclu par la promesse de mettre en ligne prochainement sur
leur site web une version r?vis?e de l'enqu?te pour plus de commentaires
avant la diffusion de la lettre ? tous les acteurs.

This in short before leaving for New York (MDGs)
Can, please someone translate. CONGO expects -I don't know when- a CS
support mechanism. I keep you updated
Renata


From karenb at gn.apc.org  Sun Sep  5 16:34:53 2004
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IMPORTANT: CS input to WSIS
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20040904103913.03b63520@pop.gn.apc.org>
References: <6.1.1.1.0.20040904103913.03b63520@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20040905163306.05f7e030@pop.gn.apc.org>

greetings all,

Many thanks to enrique chaparro and Marouen MRAIHI for their translation 
work into spanish and french respectively.

**babel**

salutations toutes, Beaucoup de gr?ce au chaparro et au Marouen MRAIHI 
d'enrique de leur traduction fonctionne dans espagnol et le Fran?ais 
respectivement.

saludos todos, Muchos gracias al chaparro y a Marouen MRAIHI del enrique 
por su traducci?n trabajan en espa?ol y franc?s respectivamente.

karen


From muguet at noos.fr  Mon Sep  6 03:54:54 2004
From: muguet at noos.fr (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IMPORTANT: CS input to WSIS
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20040904103913.03b63520@pop.gn.apc.org>
References: <6.1.1.1.0.20040904103913.03b63520@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <413BD17E.2090505@noos.fr>

Hello,  Karen

I failed to notice this point up to now

>
> ** Is someone able to setup a wiki for us to use for work on the above 
> - and future WSIS issues **
>
> If so, please let us know asap as we have little time to prepare our 
> inputs.

Yes, I have a wiki that has been ready for some time and that
 also allows calls for   automatic translations.
http://www.wsis-wiki.com  that should be accessible in a few hours.
  ( I have currently some problems with the original URL  wsis-wiki.org 
that for some
 strange reasons I cannot renew, and which is used, in a way which I 
feel is unfair,
 another example of registrar abuse ! , by the registrar itself for 
self-promotion )
Hopefully, you could use the .org domain name soon that has the proper and
politically correct extension.

Best regards

Francis


>
>




From muguet at mdpi.org  Mon Sep  6 05:57:48 2004
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Online Documents - Documents en ligne - Documientos
Message-ID: <413BEE4C.4070107@mdpi.org>

English / Fran?ais / Castellano

Hello

The summary of the 31 August meeting is now available
for your reference online at
http://www.wtis.org/spip/article67.html

The important call by Karen Banks ( in 3 languages) at
http://www.wtis.org/spip/article66.html

Friendly yours

Francis
PS : The WTIS is an event ( and on site CS convening ) initiative, by my
friends Denis Marion, Bruno Salgues & Christian Scherer.
Denis & Bruno wanted to present their initiatives at
Hammamet, but the context was on another important
and less entertaining topic.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bonjour

Le r?sum? en Fran?ais de la r?union du 31 Ao?t est maintenant
disponible en ligne ?
http://www.wtis.org/spip/article68.html

L'appel important de Karen Banks ( trilingue ) ?
http://www.wtis.org/spip/article66.html

Merci aux traducteurs.

Amicalement

Francis
PS : Le WTIS est une initiative ?v?nementielle ( et
de consultation locale de la soci?t? civile ) de mes
amis Denis Marion, Bruno Salgues & Christian Scherer.
Denis & Bruno avaient pour plan de pr?senter leurs initiatives
? Hammamet, mais le contexte ?tait focalis? sur un autre
important et moins convivial sujet.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ola

Mi castelleno esta muy pobre, porque he perdido
la costumbre de lo hablar. Por favor, lo pido de
disculpar me. No tengo el tiempo de buscar ayuda
con un dictionnario o una traducion automatica.

El resumen de la reunion del 31 Augusto no esta cerca
en Castellano, pero  hay dos recursos :
la traducion automatica del Frances
http://www.wtis.org/spip/article66.html
 o del Ingles.
http://www.wtis.org/spip/article67.html
Pienso que la traducion del Frances esta mejor.

Lo importante llamado de Karen Banks esta cerca
en tres linguas.
http://www.wtis.org/spip/article66.html

Gracias a los traductores.

Amicalmente

Francis
PS: El WTIS es una initiativa evenemental ( i
de consultacion local de la Sociedad Civil )  de mis amigos
Denis Marion, Bruno Salgues & Christian Scherer.
Denis & Bruno tenian por plan de presentar sus initiativas
en Hammamet, pero el contexto estuvo concentrado sobre
un otro importante and menos convivial subjecto.

-- 

------------------------------------------------------ 
Francis F. MUGUET 
Redactor-in-Chief  IJMS
International Journal of Molecular Sciences
an Open Access Journal  http://www.ijms.org
MDPI Foundation   http://www.mdpi.net
muguet@mdpi.org  muguet@mdpi.net


Scientific Information Development Laboratory
"Knowledge Networks & Information Society" (KNIS)
ENSTA 
32 Blvd Victor 75739 PARIS cedex FRANCE 
Phone: (33)1 45 52 60 19  Fax: (33)1 45 52 52 82 
muguet@ensta.fr   http://www.ensta.fr/~muguet 
mirror            http://www.muguet.org

World Summit On the Information Society (WSIS)
Civil Society Working Group 
Scientific Information :  http://www.wsis-si.org  chair 
Patents & Copyrights   :  http://www.wsis-pct.org co-chair
------------------------------------------------------ 




From thetha at sangonet.org.za  Mon Sep  6 08:25:48 2004
From: thetha at sangonet.org.za (thetha)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [WSIS THETHA] NATIONAL CIVIL SOCIETY ICT ROUNDTABLE
Message-ID: <MDBBIEJNJOIHHDOCENGOCEPNFEAA.thetha@sangonet.org.za>

NATIONAL CIVIL SOCIETY ICT ROUNDTABLE

"What is our stake in the multi-billion rand South African IT &
communications industry?"

9 September 2004

Johannesburg

\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

The Southern African NGO Network (SANGONeT) and the South African National
NGO Coalition (SANGOCO) are convening a national ICT roundtable event for
civil society organisations to be held on 9 September 2004 in Johannesburg.

The event will focus on the long-awaited Second National Operator (SNO),
which will be licensed on 17 September 2004, as well as the fourth draft of
the ICT Empowerment Charter, which was released  last week. Public comments
on the charter must be submitted to the Charter Working Group before 15
September 2004.

Both the SNO and ICT Empowerment Charter present civil society with unique
challenges and opportunities to ensure that all South Africans share in the
benefits of these important developments. Our failure to act in this regard
will only result in the continuation of current access, cost and ownership
trends, and not in the desired transformation of South African society and
the IT industry.

The forthcoming event will therefore provide participants with an
opportunity to gain insight into the focus and scope of both developments,
as well as to raise specific issues and expectations which will be collated
and presented to the appropriate authorities after the meeting.

The roundtable will be held on Thursday, 9 September 2004 (10h00-15h30), at
the School for Public and Development Management, Wits University in
Parktown (1st Floor Classroom A, Donald Gordon Building, Wits P&DM
cnr St Andrews and St Davids, Parktown).

A map of the venue is available on request.

If you have something to contribute and/or want to learn more about the SNO
or ICT Empowerment Charter, please attend this important event.

***************************************

If you cannot attend the event, we are still interested in your views.
Please e-mail or fax us your comments by 10 September 2004.


**************************************

Information on the SNO and ICT Empowerment Charter is available at
http://www.itweb.co.za and http://www.ictcharter.org.za.

To register for the event or submit written comments, please contact:

Sandra Roberts
SANGONeT
Tel: (011) 403-4935
Fax: (011) 403-0130
E-mail: sandra@sangonet.org.za 
URL: http://www.sangonet.org.za 

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From karenb at gn.apc.org  Mon Sep  6 17:47:17 2004
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: IMPORTANT: CS input to WSIS
In-Reply-To: <413BD17E.2090505@noos.fr>
References: <6.1.1.1.0.20040904103913.03b63520@pop.gn.apc.org>
 <413BD17E.2090505@noos.fr>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20040906174617.01ce38c0@pop.gn.apc.org>

Dear Francis,

>>** Is someone able to setup a wiki for us to use for work on the above - 
>>and future WSIS issues **
>
>Yes, I have a wiki that has been ready for some time and that
>also allows calls for   automatic translations.
>http://www.wsis-wiki.com  that should be accessible in a few hours.

thank you very much.

Are you happy to upload documents for us?

regards
karen


From muguet at mdpi.org  Mon Sep  6 22:02:29 2004
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] New version of  the Draft Stocktaking Questionnaire
Message-ID: <413CD065.80700@mdpi.org>

Hello everybody

A new version of the Stocktaking Questionnaire
<http://www.itu.int/wsis/stocktaking/>
has be put online today by the Secretariat.
--------------------------

Bonsoir

Une nouvelle version du questionnaire d'inventaire
a ?t? mise en ligne aujourd'hui par le
Secr?tariat
<http://www.itu.int/wsis/stocktaking/>


------------------------------------

Ola

Une nueva version del questionnario esta cerca
<http://www.itu.int/wsis/stocktaking/>



All the best

Francis

-- 

------------------------------------------------------
Francis F. MUGUET
Redactor-in-Chief  IJMS
International Journal of Molecular Sciences
an Open Access Journal  http://www.ijms.org
MDPI Foundation   http://www.mdpi.net
muguet@mdpi.org  muguet@mdpi.net


Scientific Information Development Laboratory
"Knowledge Networks & Information Society" (KNIS)
ENSTA
32 Blvd Victor 75739 PARIS cedex FRANCE
Phone: (33)1 45 52 60 19  Fax: (33)1 45 52 52 82
muguet@ensta.fr   http://www.ensta.fr/~muguet
mirror            http://www.muguet.org

World Summit On the Information Society (WSIS)
Civil Society Working Group
Scientific Information :  http://www.wsis-si.org  chair
Patents & Copyrights   :  http://www.wsis-pct.org co-chair
------------------------------------------------------



From bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de  Tue Sep  7 00:09:36 2004
From: bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS plans for UN ICT Task Force meeting in Berlin in November
Message-ID: <413CEE30.D1BD1FAF@zedat.fu-berlin.de>

Hi everybody,

the German WSIS coordination group met with the German government on
Friday and discussed the UN ICT Task Force meeting and Global Forum on
"Promoting Enabling Environment For Digital Development" that will take
place in Berlin on 19-20 November.

All who want to come and are interested in the subject: Please read this
mail carefully.

-----------------------------------
General information

1. The ICT Task Force meeting and the Global Forum will take place in
the German Foreign Office. We were told that the number of seats there
is limited to 300 persons, including governments and private sector. So,
if you want to make sure you can participate, contact the Task Force
secretariat soon. The German government can not help in this regard, as
they are only providing the rooms.
Contact for the Task Force:
http://www.unicttaskforce.org
email: "Sergej L. Kambalov" <kambalov@unicttaskforce.org>

2. We will probably have meeting / hanging out space during all days
with internet connectivity in the downtown area, with lots of bars,
galleries and other hip locations around. The space will be provided by
our friends from the LinuxTrendStore "newthinking" (some will remember
Markus Beckedahl from the German crowd during PrepCom3 and the Summit).

----------------------------------
On the day before the Global Forum (18 November):

1. We will organize an informal meeting over dinner in the evening.

2. We are interested in organizing a more more formal civil society
briefing and workshop on financing and digital development during the
day. This would help preparing for the Global Forum, especially as there
is no caucus on financing yet.
!!! -> We will need some contributors to help with this in order to make
it happen, as we are not really experts in this field. Especially the
people who have already worked on financing are needed here. Rooms and
logistics etc. will be organized by us.
Please: All who are interested in helping with this, answer me until
Thursday (9 September) and let us know your ideas and possible
contributions. <- !!!

-----------------------------------
On the last day (20 November), after the Global Forum

1. We will organize a meeting for an assessment of the GlobalForum and
for strategizing for the next steps. It will be roughly like the meeting
we had at the Ford Foundation in New York in March, but with more time.

2. We are also planning to prepare a dinner / party in the evening -
also like the one we had in New York, but maybe more Berlin style. ;-)

-----------------------------------

More details on all this will also be discussed during the Public Voice
conference call next Friday. I copy the details here from Frannie's
invitation:

---------snip------------

NEXT PUBLIC VOICE WSIS RELATED TELECONFERENCE

- Date & Time: Friday, September 10th, 2004 at 12pm EDT, 1600 GMT
- Call in Number from North America: 1-888-268-1204   OR   from
outside North America:  1-512-225-3050
- Access code: 65889#
- Agenda: WSIS Briefing, UN Working Group on Internet Governance
Consultation, Berlin UN ICT Task Force Meeting

The Public Voice will hold a teleconference on Friday, September 10th
at 12pm EDT (1600 GMT) for discussion related to the World Summit on
the Information Society, Internet Governance and civil society
participation.  The agenda will include a briefing from the US State
Department, strategizing for the upcoming UN Working Group on Internet
Governance (WGIG) consultation in Geneva, and planning for civil
society participation in Berlin around the UN ICT Task Force meeting
in November.  Anyone from civil society involved in or interested in
the WSIS is invited to participate.  Meetings take place monthly.

A summary of this call will be posted online with summaries of past
Public Voice teleconferences and future meeting dates.

Public Voice WSIS Meeting Page:
        http://www.thepublicvoice.org/events/pvwsismeetings/

---------snip------------

So, we hope for your input and help, and are looking forward to meet
many of you in Berlin!

Best, 

Ralf

From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Tue Sep  7 02:35:37 2004
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nominations: Working Group on Internet Governance (WGIG)
Message-ID: <p0611041abd62bef46737@[192.168.0.2]>

To Members of WSIS Civil Society, Caucuses and Working Groups

The WSIS Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus hopes to assemble a 
list of candidates for membership in the Working Group on Internet 
Governance (WGIG).  The purpose of the list is to give Mr. Kummer and 
Mr. Annan a set of candidates from which they can select members for 
the WGIG. This list will not be the only input into the membership 
decision process, and does not prevent any group or individual from 
submitting her or his recommendations. We wish to provide the 
collective recommendations of WSIS caucuses and working groups.

After much deliberation on the process by which the candidate list 
would be compiled, we, as coordinators of the Internet Governance 
caucus have made the decision to invite each of the WSIS civil 
society caucuses and working groups to suggest between one (1) and 
three (3) names for inclusion on the candidate list.

There is not agreement for this course of action among members of the 
IG Caucus, but time is pressing and we feel WSIS Civil Society must 
have an opportunity to participate in this process.  This can work if 
we all try to make it work.  It means trying to think what is best 
for civil society, and not any particular interest group.  Please 
read this note carefully. And refer to the draft statement on 
structure of the WGIG you can find at this URL 
<http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/> (Spanish, French, 
English and Portuguese.)

One of the goals for this candidate list is to make sure that all of 
the topical areas that might be included in the governance debate are 
covered. Indications are that the WGIG will take a broad view of 
Internet governance, and issues will include ICANN, Spam, information 
and network security, privacy and other ICT rights issues, 
intellectual property rights, and interconnection agreements to name 
just a few. Asking the other caucuses and working groups for 
recommendations is considered the best way to make sure that all 
topics of concern to WSIS civil society are present.

Note that our recommendations about the structure of the WGIG  (here 
<http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/>) say we think the group 
should be small, between 19 and 31 total core members. By asking for 
nominations from all of WSIS civil society we are inviting a 
potentially large number of names to be submitted. Some means of 
reducing the composite list we receive may be required. We look 
forward to your advice on how we might handle this situation, it is 
quite likely. We suggest discussions about this are started now on 
the CS plenary list.

Please attempt to prioritize your nominations. If you are unable to 
do so please state clearly that your list is not prioritized. 
Coordination of nominations among caucuses/working group will be very 
helpful.

Individual members of the CS plenary may also submit nominations. 
Individuals should submit their nominations based on the criteria 
explained below.

As background for making the caucus/working group decision on the 
candidates, a draft of the WSIS Civil Society caucus's contribution 
on the WGIG can be found online at 
<http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/>. These notes discuss 
some of the contents of the contribution.

We consider it critical that a balanced WGIG be drawn from a multi 
dimensional consideration of diversity.  That is, diversity in terms 
of sector, region, gender, and language background, among others, 
must be considered in assembling the WGIG.  It is also important that 
there be a balance between members from developing and developed 
countries.  It is also considered very important that candidates have 
a degree of knowledge of the issues, including policy, legal and 
technical, involved in the Internet governance debate. We also 
suggest candidates should have experience working in an international 
committee environment, be aware of ICT for development issues and 
human rights. No candidate is expected to have all these qualities, 
but we are suggesting they should be people with broad experience.

It is considered critical that though all participants come from 
different perspectives, they should be people who are willing to 
listen and consider carefully the views of others.  It is expected 
that the best outcome for the WGIG will come from an assembly of open 
minded individuals who can share their knowledge and expertise in an 
cooperative manner.

Finally it is considered important that any individual nominated as a 
candidate understand the amount of work this assignment would involve 
and indicate a readiness to participate.  While the work plan of the 
WGIG has yet to be determined, it is expected that the WGIG will 
begin work in the final months of 2004 and finish by July 2005. The 
schedule will most probably involve, email discussions, 
teleconferences and up to four (4) face to face meetings.  We 
anticipate that the working language of the WGIG itself will be 
English. It is expected, however, that there will be a great 
sensitivity to language issues as the WGIG conducts its work and 
consultations.

In making your caucuses/working groups recommendation, we request 
that you submit the following information, which will be passed on to 
Mr. Kummer, with the names of the candidates:

- Reliable contact information for the candidate; i.e. email, 
telephone, fax and postal address.

- A statement indicating the qualities that the person would bring to 
the WGIG.  While no particular content is being required, it is 
recommended that this section include a discussion of the concerns 
mentioned above and a discussion of the experience and perspective 
the candidate would bring to the WGIG discussions.

- A statement of the person's governance related affiliations.  That 
is information such as: which sector does the person belong to 
(government, industry or civil society), what caucuses/working groups 
do they participate in, employer, national background, and language 
skills.

- An indication from the candidate that they understand the work load 
they are volunteering for and that they are available during the 
expected period of deliberations.

- A short statement about your caucus/working group. Include 
information about the group's background and history, membership 
(numbers), and achievements or other information you think relevant. 
Please give a URL for a website if you have one.

It is recommended that these statements be no more then two pages in 
length. Candidate information will be collated and published on the 
Internet <http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/> (with 
candidates personal contact information removed.)

Members of the Internet governance caucus will aggregate the names 
received and send them along with the name of the caucus/working 
groups that made the nomination to Markus Kummer.  If any 
reconsideration of names is required in light of issues arising from 
the WGIG consultation on September 20-21 we will hold any relevant 
discussions about this on the plenary mailing list.

Time is short on gathering the list of candidates and you are 
requested to submit the candidate statements within the next two 
weeks.  The deadline for submission of candidate statements is 20 
Sept, 2004.  All statements should be sent to:

igov@tla.crepundia.net

In concluding, we thank you for helping us complete this important task.

Please try to coordinate your nominations with other caucuses and 
working groups.  And please consider the qualities your nominations 
will bring to the WGIG carefully. If you have questions about the 
process please contact the coordinators of the Caucus:

Jeanette Hofmann and Adam Peake
Coordinators, Internet Governance Caucus

From ldmf at att.net  Tue Sep  7 02:54:59 2004
From: ldmf at att.net (L. D. Misek-Falkoff)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nominations: Working Group on Internet Governance (WGIG)
References: <p0611041abd62bef46737@[192.168.0.2]>
Message-ID: <00ec01c4947d$b1437ef0$0300a8c0@compaqdesktop>

Dear Adam:

I would like to submit my name (my self) as one advisory to the Members of the Working Group.  This would therefore not take up a Member seat unless thought proper to apply as Member. My Internet and other network experience spans early 1960's through the present and hopefully will continue.

I attended WSIS-I in Geneva and participated in several fora; there are in the air invitations to do some teaching in Tunis.  I have the honor and experience of being on the Net from early ARPANet days, being on the small team at IBM Research which designed GML / SGML, and forerunners e.g. of xml. I now look to my golden anniversary (that is 50 years) in computing and online.  Some of my early software science and other is /it /ict) publications are online via the ACM and ERIC and other systems. The works of my students also can be found on the Net.

In law, I have litigated cyberlibel and other internet related cases in court.  Here as well as in matters of technical and systems venues, governance on a values base is very important and the issues are many.  

I am intimately participating in the current meetings toward a Disability Convention (Treaty) at the U.N. in New York, where access and governance are major concerns.  The recent call for multistakeholder constituency emphasis at the evolving U.N. is also related.

I hold Ph.D.'s in Computing and the Humanities, have four decades of work in online systems and text processing/analysis and document matters of wide scope as well as particular applications - from requirements through design and coding, evaluation and delivery.

I am and believe I am considered an informal person and friendly, a Californian by birth now in NY.  

If  you have other questions please just let me know.  I hope you will not mind this note.  Having been through around four decades of governance as well as systems and technical topics regarding computing and information systems, I would be delighted to participate respective to the S. General and everyone's interests and participation.

Please call on me, in any aspect, where you feel I can be of help. 

And sending best wishes, LDMF, Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D..

For  Identification:  President and International Ambassador, The National Disability Party; 
Member Planning Committee 57th Annual U.N. DPI NGO Fall Meetings at the U.N. in NYC;
Member Disability Caucus to the U.N. Disability Convention (Treaty); and Caucus Steering Comittee.
Recording Secretary & Member of the Board of Directors, Communications Coordination Committee for the U.N.;
(www.cccun.org), Member Subcommittee on Older Women (of the Committee on the Status of Women; other U.N. and outside human rights and information intensive NGO's.
Internet Presence (Design, Use) 1960s - including member of design team for GML forerunner of HTML, XML, and founding/moderating online discussion lists. 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Peake" <ajp@glocom.ac.jp>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Cc: <governance@lists.cpsr.org>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:35 PM
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nominations: Working Group on Internet Governance (WGIG)


> To Members of WSIS Civil Society, Caucuses and Working Groups
> 
> The WSIS Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus hopes to assemble a 
> list of candidates for membership in the Working Group on Internet 
> Governance (WGIG).  The purpose of the list is to give Mr. Kummer and 
> Mr. Annan a set of candidates from which they can select members for 
> the WGIG. This list will not be the only input into the membership 
> decision process, and does not prevent any group or individual from 
> submitting her or his recommendations. We wish to provide the 
> collective recommendations of WSIS caucuses and working groups.
> 
> After much deliberation on the process by which the candidate list 
> would be compiled, we, as coordinators of the Internet Governance 
> caucus have made the decision to invite each of the WSIS civil 
> society caucuses and working groups to suggest between one (1) and 
> three (3) names for inclusion on the candidate list.
> 
> There is not agreement for this course of action among members of the 
> IG Caucus, but time is pressing and we feel WSIS Civil Society must 
> have an opportunity to participate in this process.  This can work if 
> we all try to make it work.  It means trying to think what is best 
> for civil society, and not any particular interest group.  Please 
> read this note carefully. And refer to the draft statement on 
> structure of the WGIG you can find at this URL 
> <http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/> (Spanish, French, 
> English and Portuguese.)
> 
> One of the goals for this candidate list is to make sure that all of 
> the topical areas that might be included in the governance debate are 
> covered. Indications are that the WGIG will take a broad view of 
> Internet governance, and issues will include ICANN, Spam, information 
> and network security, privacy and other ICT rights issues, 
> intellectual property rights, and interconnection agreements to name 
> just a few. Asking the other caucuses and working groups for 
> recommendations is considered the best way to make sure that all 
> topics of concern to WSIS civil society are present.
> 
> Note that our recommendations about the structure of the WGIG  (here 
> <http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/>) say we think the group 
> should be small, between 19 and 31 total core members. By asking for 
> nominations from all of WSIS civil society we are inviting a 
> potentially large number of names to be submitted. Some means of 
> reducing the composite list we receive may be required. We look 
> forward to your advice on how we might handle this situation, it is 
> quite likely. We suggest discussions about this are started now on 
> the CS plenary list.
> 
> Please attempt to prioritize your nominations. If you are unable to 
> do so please state clearly that your list is not prioritized. 
> Coordination of nominations among caucuses/working group will be very 
> helpful.
> 
> Individual members of the CS plenary may also submit nominations. 
> Individuals should submit their nominations based on the criteria 
> explained below.
> 
> As background for making the caucus/working group decision on the 
> candidates, a draft of the WSIS Civil Society caucus's contribution 
> on the WGIG can be found online at 
> <http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/>. These notes discuss 
> some of the contents of the contribution.
> 
> We consider it critical that a balanced WGIG be drawn from a multi 
> dimensional consideration of diversity.  That is, diversity in terms 
> of sector, region, gender, and language background, among others, 
> must be considered in assembling the WGIG.  It is also important that 
> there be a balance between members from developing and developed 
> countries.  It is also considered very important that candidates have 
> a degree of knowledge of the issues, including policy, legal and 
> technical, involved in the Internet governance debate. We also 
> suggest candidates should have experience working in an international 
> committee environment, be aware of ICT for development issues and 
> human rights. No candidate is expected to have all these qualities, 
> but we are suggesting they should be people with broad experience.
> 
> It is considered critical that though all participants come from 
> different perspectives, they should be people who are willing to 
> listen and consider carefully the views of others.  It is expected 
> that the best outcome for the WGIG will come from an assembly of open 
> minded individuals who can share their knowledge and expertise in an 
> cooperative manner.
> 
> Finally it is considered important that any individual nominated as a 
> candidate understand the amount of work this assignment would involve 
> and indicate a readiness to participate.  While the work plan of the 
> WGIG has yet to be determined, it is expected that the WGIG will 
> begin work in the final months of 2004 and finish by July 2005. The 
> schedule will most probably involve, email discussions, 
> teleconferences and up to four (4) face to face meetings.  We 
> anticipate that the working language of the WGIG itself will be 
> English. It is expected, however, that there will be a great 
> sensitivity to language issues as the WGIG conducts its work and 
> consultations.
> 
> In making your caucuses/working groups recommendation, we request 
> that you submit the following information, which will be passed on to 
> Mr. Kummer, with the names of the candidates:
> 
> - Reliable contact information for the candidate; i.e. email, 
> telephone, fax and postal address.
> 
> - A statement indicating the qualities that the person would bring to 
> the WGIG.  While no particular content is being required, it is 
> recommended that this section include a discussion of the concerns 
> mentioned above and a discussion of the experience and perspective 
> the candidate would bring to the WGIG discussions.
> 
> - A statement of the person's governance related affiliations.  That 
> is information such as: which sector does the person belong to 
> (government, industry or civil society), what caucuses/working groups 
> do they participate in, employer, national background, and language 
> skills.
> 
> - An indication from the candidate that they understand the work load 
> they are volunteering for and that they are available during the 
> expected period of deliberations.
> 
> - A short statement about your caucus/working group. Include 
> information about the group's background and history, membership 
> (numbers), and achievements or other information you think relevant. 
> Please give a URL for a website if you have one.
> 
> It is recommended that these statements be no more then two pages in 
> length. Candidate information will be collated and published on the 
> Internet <http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/> (with 
> candidates personal contact information removed.)
> 
> Members of the Internet governance caucus will aggregate the names 
> received and send them along with the name of the caucus/working 
> groups that made the nomination to Markus Kummer.  If any 
> reconsideration of names is required in light of issues arising from 
> the WGIG consultation on September 20-21 we will hold any relevant 
> discussions about this on the plenary mailing list.
> 
> Time is short on gathering the list of candidates and you are 
> requested to submit the candidate statements within the next two 
> weeks.  The deadline for submission of candidate statements is 20 
> Sept, 2004.  All statements should be sent to:
> 
> igov@tla.crepundia.net
> 
> In concluding, we thank you for helping us complete this important task.
> 
> Please try to coordinate your nominations with other caucuses and 
> working groups.  And please consider the qualities your nominations 
> will bring to the WGIG carefully. If you have questions about the 
> process please contact the coordinators of the Caucus:
> 
> Jeanette Hofmann and Adam Peake
> Coordinators, Internet Governance Caucus
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From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nominations: Working Group on Internet
 Governance (WGIG)
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Dear Linda,

Thank you for your email.

I wonder if you could discuss this with your 
colleagues in the PWD caucus?  It is not 
necessary for nominations to be submitted via a 
caucus or working group, but it would be a great 
help in terms of limiting the numbers.

But of course any individual can make 
nominations, including self-nominations, but 
could you follow the format mentioned in our 
email, and send to the email address

<mailto:igov@tla.crepundia.net>igov@tla.crepundia.net

We will collate all nominations.

Kind regards,

Adam




At 9:54 PM -0400 9/6/04, L. D. Misek-Falkoff wrote:
>Dear Adam:
>
>I would like to submit my name (my self) as one 
>advisory to the Members of the Working Group. 
>This would therefore not take up a Member seat 
>unless thought proper to apply as Member. My 
>Internet and other network experience spans 
>early 1960's through the present and hopefully 
>will continue.
>
>I attended WSIS-I in Geneva and participated in 
>several fora; there are in the air invitations 
>to do some teaching in Tunis.  I have the honor 
>and experience of being on the Net from early 
>ARPANet days, being on the small team at IBM 
>Research which designed GML / SGML, and 
>forerunners e.g. of xml. I now look to my golden 
>anniversary (that is 50 years) in computing and 
>online.  Some of my early software science and 
>other is /it /ict) publications are online via 
>the ACM and ERIC and other systems. The works of 
>my students also can be found on the Net.
>
>In law, I have litigated cyberlibel and other 
>internet related cases in court.  Here as well 
>as in matters of technical and systems venues, 
>governance on a values base is very important 
>and the issues are many.?
>
>I am intimately participating in the current 
>meetings toward a Disability Convention (Treaty) 
>at the U.N. in New York, where access and 
>governance are major concerns.  The recent call 
>for multistakeholder constituency emphasis at 
>the evolving U.N. is also related.
>
>I hold Ph.D.'s in Computing and the Humanities, 
>have four decades of work in online systems and 
>text processing/analysis and document matters of 
>wide scope as well as particular applications - 
>from requirements through design and coding, 
>evaluation and delivery.
>
>I am and believe I am considered an informal 
>person and friendly, a Californian by birth now 
>in NY.?
>
>If  you have other questions please just let me 
>know.  I hope you will not mind this note. 
>Having been through around four decades of 
>governance as well as systems and technical 
>topics regarding computing and information 
>systems, I would be delighted to participate 
>respective to the S. General and everyone's 
>interests and participation.
>
>Please call on me, in any aspect, where you feel I can be of help.
>
>And sending best wishes, LDMF, Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D..
>
>For  Identification:  President and 
>International Ambassador, The National 
>Disability Party;
>Member Planning Committee 57th Annual U.N. DPI 
>NGO Fall Meetings at the U.N. in NYC;
>Member Disability Caucus to the U.N. Disability 
>Convention (Treaty); and Caucus Steering 
>Comittee.
>Recording Secretary & Member of the Board of 
>Directors, Communications Coordination Committee 
>for the U.N.;
>(<http://www.cccun.org>www.cccun.org), Member 
>Subcommittee on Older Women (of the Committee on 
>the Status of Women; other U.N. and outside 
>human rights and information intensive NGO's.
>Internet Presence (Design, Use) 1960s - 
>including member of design team for GML 
>forerunner of HTML, XML, and founding/moderating 
>online discussion lists.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Adam Peake" <<mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp>ajp@glocom.ac.jp>
>To: <<mailto:plenary@wsis-cs.org>plenary@wsis-cs.org>
>Cc: <<mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org>governance@lists.cpsr.org>
>Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:35 PM
>Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nominations: Working 
>Group on Internet Governance (WGIG)
>
>  > To Members of WSIS Civil Society, Caucuses and Working Groups
>  >
>>  The WSIS Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus hopes to assemble a
>>  list of candidates for membership in the Working Group on Internet
>>  Governance (WGIG).  The purpose of the list is to give Mr. Kummer and
>>  Mr. Annan a set of candidates from which they can select members for
>>  the WGIG. This list will not be the only input into the membership
>>  decision process, and does not prevent any group or individual from
>>  submitting her or his recommendations. We wish to provide the
>>  collective recommendations of WSIS caucuses and working groups.
>>
>>  After much deliberation on the process by which the candidate list
>>  would be compiled, we, as coordinators of the Internet Governance
>>  caucus have made the decision to invite each of the WSIS civil
>>  society caucuses and working groups to suggest between one (1) and
>>  three (3) names for inclusion on the candidate list.
>>
>>  There is not agreement for this course of action among members of the
>>  IG Caucus, but time is pressing and we feel WSIS Civil Society must
>>  have an opportunity to participate in this process.  This can work if
>>  we all try to make it work.  It means trying to think what is best
>>  for civil society, and not any particular interest group.  Please
>>  read this note carefully. And refer to the draft statement on
>>  structure of the WGIG you can find at this URL
>> 
>><<http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/>http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/> 
>>(Spanish, French,
>>  English and Portuguese.)
>>
>>  One of the goals for this candidate list is to make sure that all of
>>  the topical areas that might be included in the governance debate are
>>  covered. Indications are that the WGIG will take a broad view of
>>  Internet governance, and issues will include ICANN, Spam, information
>>  and network security, privacy and other ICT rights issues,
>>  intellectual property rights, and interconnection agreements to name
>>  just a few. Asking the other caucuses and working groups for
>>  recommendations is considered the best way to make sure that all
>>  topics of concern to WSIS civil society are present.
>>
>>  Note that our recommendations about the structure of the WGIG  (here
>> 
>><<http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/>http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/>) 
>>say we think the group
>>  should be small, between 19 and 31 total core members. By asking for
>>  nominations from all of WSIS civil society we are inviting a
>>  potentially large number of names to be submitted. Some means of
>>  reducing the composite list we receive may be required. We look
>>  forward to your advice on how we might handle this situation, it is
>>  quite likely. We suggest discussions about this are started now on
>>  the CS plenary list.
>>
>>  Please attempt to prioritize your nominations. If you are unable to
>>  do so please state clearly that your list is not prioritized.
>>  Coordination of nominations among caucuses/working group will be very
>>  helpful.
>>
>>  Individual members of the CS plenary may also submit nominations.
>>  Individuals should submit their nominations based on the criteria
>>  explained below.
>>
>>  As background for making the caucus/working group decision on the
>>  candidates, a draft of the WSIS Civil Society caucus's contribution
>>  on the WGIG can be found online at
>> 
>><<http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/>http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/>. 
>>These notes discuss
>>  some of the contents of the contribution.
>>
>>  We consider it critical that a balanced WGIG be drawn from a multi
>>  dimensional consideration of diversity.  That is, diversity in terms
>>  of sector, region, gender, and language background, among others,
>>  must be considered in assembling the WGIG.  It is also important that
>>  there be a balance between members from developing and developed
>>  countries.  It is also considered very important that candidates have
>>  a degree of knowledge of the issues, including policy, legal and
>>  technical, involved in the Internet governance debate. We also
>>  suggest candidates should have experience working in an international
>>  committee environment, be aware of ICT for development issues and
>  > human rights. No candidate is expected to have all these qualities,
>>  but we are suggesting they should be people with broad experience.
>>
>>  It is considered critical that though all participants come from
>>  different perspectives, they should be people who are willing to
>>  listen and consider carefully the views of others.  It is expected
>>  that the best outcome for the WGIG will come from an assembly of open
>>  minded individuals who can share their knowledge and expertise in an
>>  cooperative manner.
>>
>>  Finally it is considered important that any individual nominated as a
>>  candidate understand the amount of work this assignment would involve
>>  and indicate a readiness to participate.  While the work plan of the
>>  WGIG has yet to be determined, it is expected that the WGIG will
>>  begin work in the final months of 2004 and finish by July 2005. The
>>  schedule will most probably involve, email discussions,
>>  teleconferences and up to four (4) face to face meetings.  We
>>  anticipate that the working language of the WGIG itself will be
>>  English. It is expected, however, that there will be a great
>>  sensitivity to language issues as the WGIG conducts its work and
>>  consultations.
>>
>>  In making your caucuses/working groups recommendation, we request
>>  that you submit the following information, which will be passed on to
>>  Mr. Kummer, with the names of the candidates:
>>
>>  - Reliable contact information for the candidate; i.e. email,
>>  telephone, fax and postal address.
>>
>>  - A statement indicating the qualities that the person would bring to
>>  the WGIG.  While no particular content is being required, it is
>>  recommended that this section include a discussion of the concerns
>>  mentioned above and a discussion of the experience and perspective
>>  the candidate would bring to the WGIG discussions.
>>
>>  - A statement of the person's governance related affiliations.  That
>>  is information such as: which sector does the person belong to
>>  (government, industry or civil society), what caucuses/working groups
>>  do they participate in, employer, national background, and language
>>  skills.
>>
>>  - An indication from the candidate that they understand the work load
>>  they are volunteering for and that they are available during the
>>  expected period of deliberations.
>>
>>  - A short statement about your caucus/working group. Include
>>  information about the group's background and history, membership
>>  (numbers), and achievements or other information you think relevant.
>>  Please give a URL for a website if you have one.
>>
>>  It is recommended that these statements be no more then two pages in
>>  length. Candidate information will be collated and published on the
>>  Internet 
>><<http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/>http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/> 
>>(with
>>  candidates personal contact information removed.)
>>
>>  Members of the Internet governance caucus will aggregate the names
>>  received and send them along with the name of the caucus/working
>>  groups that made the nomination to Markus Kummer.  If any
>>  reconsideration of names is required in light of issues arising from
>>  the WGIG consultation on September 20-21 we will hold any relevant
>>  discussions about this on the plenary mailing list.
>>
>>  Time is short on gathering the list of candidates and you are
>>  requested to submit the candidate statements within the next two
>>  weeks.  The deadline for submission of candidate statements is 20
>>  Sept, 2004.  All statements should be sent to:
>>
>  > <mailto:igov@tla.crepundia.net>igov@tla.crepundia.net
>>
>>  In concluding, we thank you for helping us complete this important task.
>>
>>  Please try to coordinate your nominations with other caucuses and
>>  working groups.  And please consider the qualities your nominations
>>  will bring to the WGIG carefully. If you have questions about the
>>  process please contact the coordinators of the Caucus:
>>
>>  Jeanette Hofmann and Adam Peake
>>  Coordinators, Internet Governance Caucus
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  Plenary mailing list
>>  <mailto:Plenary@wsis-cs.org>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>> 
>><http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


From mueller at syr.edu  Tue Sep  7 05:08:15 2004
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nomination of Karl Auerbach
Message-ID: <s13cfc08.059@gwia201.syr.edu>

I would like to submit the name of Karl Auerbach as a 
CS nominee for the WGIG. email: karl@cavebear.com 

Mr. Auerbach has been working on Internet technology 
since the early 1970's, and has been a long-time participant 
in the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF). He has 
worked for Cisco in the past, and has developed his own 
company dealing with network management issues. In 
addition to his technical work, Mr. Auerbach has been an 
attorney in California since 1978.  

I consider Auerbach to be an ideal representative of CS 
on the Internet Governance Working Group, because of 
his campaign to make ICANN democratic and accountable. 
He is also committed to privacy rights, free expression, a 
decentralized Internet, and resistance to Internet's dominance 
by intellectual property interests. While ICANN was being 
created, Karl worked hard to ensure that it would be a 
membership organization that was open to civil society. He 
played an important role in ensuring that half of its Board 
would be selected through a global electorate. For two years 
ICANN's management attempted to eliminate, stall, or cripple 
those elections. When elections were finally held, Karl obtained 
a position on the ballot by petition, and decisively won the North 
American seat on the Board. 

The ICANN elections constituted a radical experiment in civil 
society participation in global governance. I believe that 
someone who was actually *elected* to a responsible position 
by thousands of civil society members has a special standing in 
the Internet Governance working group. It is rare that this 
exposure to the highly political side of Internet governance should 
be combined with the kind of technical knowledge that he has. 
He is also a very accessible, informal and friendly person. 

If you want to examine his service on the ICANN board, you can 
turn to his web page about it. 
http://www.cavebear.com/icann-board/index.htm 
Here is more biographical information
http://www.cavebear.com/cavebear/karl.html 

It is well known that Karl was very critical of ICANN, but he is also 
very independent and is aware that some alternatives proposed are 
worse. One of his important achievements was to bring successful 
litigation requiring ICANN to open some of its records to the public. 

There are only two negative things that might be said about 
Mr. Auerbach as a nominee. One is that he has not been an 
active member of the WSIS activities. However, I hope this group
is not so parochial as to think that all of civil society is
encompassed
by WSIS activists. One must remember that until November 2003,
Internet governance and WSIS hardly intersected at all. By forming
a WG focused on Internet Governance, the December Plan of Action
required a consolidation and intersection of those elements of CS 
involved in ICANN with those CS elements involved in WSIS. Since 
December 2003, Mr. Auerbach has been recognized as an important 
participant in WGIG matters, being invited to the ITU's meeting in 
February and the UN ICT TF Global Forum in March. 

The other possible criticism is that Karl is focused exclusively on 
ICANN and does not see the bigger picture. To that I would answer,
yes, of course, he knows the most about those aspects of Internet
governance related to his direct experience in ICANN, but his 
training as an attorney and a technologist provides a much broader
awareness of key issues. This includes issues such as intellectual 
property, free/open source software issues, and telecommunications
policy and regulation. 

I hope you will support his nomination to the WGIG.

--Milton Mueller



From ldmf at att.net  Tue Sep  7 05:48:31 2004
From: ldmf at att.net (L. D. Misek-Falkoff)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nominations: Working Group on Internet Governance (WGIG)
References: <p0611041abd62bef46737@[192.168.0.2]> <00ec01c4947d$b1437ef0$0300a8c0@compaqdesktop> <p06110412bd62e2da16de@[192.168.1.254]>
Message-ID: <012701c49495$f17ee640$0300a8c0@compaqdesktop>

Dear Adam,

Thank you for your further explanations and acknowledgments of my
submission.  I noticed the September 9 date, after a solid two weeks at the
Disability Convention 4th Ad Hoc Meetings, from which we all just returned;
and, after just as brief breather, early in the morning (just a few hours)
will be leaving for the U.N. annual NGO summit meetings, returning possibly
not until around  the 14th due to other obligations.  I will be back at that
time and hope that the prior submission will serve as a place holder, and I
thank you very much for the response. May I take this opportunity to mention
that the Internet and its governance as well as its bounties are  very
frequent and intense topics there and in regard to the Millenium Development
Goals, in focus at this year's Conference over over 2500 pre-registrants.

Sending best wishes, Dr. L. D. Misek-Falkoff.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Peake" <ajp@glocom.ac.jp>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Cc: <governance@lists.cpsr.org>; <ldmf@att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nominations: Working Group on Internet
Governance (WGIG)


Dear Linda,

Thank you for your email.

I wonder if you could discuss this with your
colleagues in the PWD caucus?  It is not
necessary for nominations to be submitted via a
caucus or working group, but it would be a great
help in terms of limiting the numbers.

But of course any individual can make
nominations, including self-nominations, but
could you follow the format mentioned in our
email, and send to the email address

<mailto:igov@tla.crepundia.net>igov@tla.crepundia.net

We will collate all nominations.

Kind regards,

Adam




At 9:54 PM -0400 9/6/04, L. D. Misek-Falkoff wrote:
>Dear Adam:
>
>I would like to submit my name (my self) as one
>advisory to the Members of the Working Group.
>This would therefore not take up a Member seat
>unless thought proper to apply as Member. My
>Internet and other network experience spans
>early 1960's through the present and hopefully
>will continue.
>
>I attended WSIS-I in Geneva and participated in
>several fora; there are in the air invitations
>to do some teaching in Tunis.  I have the honor
>and experience of being on the Net from early
>ARPANet days, being on the small team at IBM
>Research which designed GML / SGML, and
>forerunners e.g. of xml. I now look to my golden
>anniversary (that is 50 years) in computing and
>online.  Some of my early software science and
>other is /it /ict) publications are online via
>the ACM and ERIC and other systems. The works of
>my students also can be found on the Net.
>
>In law, I have litigated cyberlibel and other
>internet related cases in court.  Here as well
>as in matters of technical and systems venues,
>governance on a values base is very important
>and the issues are many.
>
>I am intimately participating in the current
>meetings toward a Disability Convention (Treaty)
>at the U.N. in New York, where access and
>governance are major concerns.  The recent call
>for multistakeholder constituency emphasis at
>the evolving U.N. is also related.
>
>I hold Ph.D.'s in Computing and the Humanities,
>have four decades of work in online systems and
>text processing/analysis and document matters of
>wide scope as well as particular applications -
>from requirements through design and coding,
>evaluation and delivery.
>
>I am and believe I am considered an informal
>person and friendly, a Californian by birth now
>in NY.
>
>If  you have other questions please just let me
>know.  I hope you will not mind this note.
>Having been through around four decades of
>governance as well as systems and technical
>topics regarding computing and information
>systems, I would be delighted to participate
>respective to the S. General and everyone's
>interests and participation.
>
>Please call on me, in any aspect, where you feel I can be of help.
>
>And sending best wishes, LDMF, Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D..
>
>For  Identification:  President and
>International Ambassador, The National
>Disability Party;
>Member Planning Committee 57th Annual U.N. DPI
>NGO Fall Meetings at the U.N. in NYC;
>Member Disability Caucus to the U.N. Disability
>Convention (Treaty); and Caucus Steering
>Comittee.
>Recording Secretary & Member of the Board of
>Directors, Communications Coordination Committee
>for the U.N.;
>(<http://www.cccun.org>www.cccun.org), Member
>Subcommittee on Older Women (of the Committee on
>the Status of Women; other U.N. and outside
>human rights and information intensive NGO's.
>Internet Presence (Design, Use) 1960s -
>including member of design team for GML
>forerunner of HTML, XML, and founding/moderating
>online discussion lists.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Adam Peake" <<mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp>ajp@glocom.ac.jp>
>To: <<mailto:plenary@wsis-cs.org>plenary@wsis-cs.org>
>Cc: <<mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org>governance@lists.cpsr.org>
>Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:35 PM
>Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nominations: Working
>Group on Internet Governance (WGIG)
>
>  > To Members of WSIS Civil Society, Caucuses and Working Groups
>  >
>>  The WSIS Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus hopes to assemble a
>>  list of candidates for membership in the Working Group on Internet
>>  Governance (WGIG).  The purpose of the list is to give Mr. Kummer and
>>  Mr. Annan a set of candidates from which they can select members for
>>  the WGIG. This list will not be the only input into the membership
>>  decision process, and does not prevent any group or individual from
>>  submitting her or his recommendations. We wish to provide the
>>  collective recommendations of WSIS caucuses and working groups.
>>
>>  After much deliberation on the process by which the candidate list
>>  would be compiled, we, as coordinators of the Internet Governance
>>  caucus have made the decision to invite each of the WSIS civil
>>  society caucuses and working groups to suggest between one (1) and
>>  three (3) names for inclusion on the candidate list.
>>
>>  There is not agreement for this course of action among members of the
>>  IG Caucus, but time is pressing and we feel WSIS Civil Society must
>>  have an opportunity to participate in this process.  This can work if
>>  we all try to make it work.  It means trying to think what is best
>>  for civil society, and not any particular interest group.  Please
>>  read this note carefully. And refer to the draft statement on
>>  structure of the WGIG you can find at this URL
>>
>><<http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/>http://www.too-much.tv/inter
net_governance/>
>>(Spanish, French,
>>  English and Portuguese.)
>>
>>  One of the goals for this candidate list is to make sure that all of
>>  the topical areas that might be included in the governance debate are
>>  covered. Indications are that the WGIG will take a broad view of
>>  Internet governance, and issues will include ICANN, Spam, information
>>  and network security, privacy and other ICT rights issues,
>>  intellectual property rights, and interconnection agreements to name
>>  just a few. Asking the other caucuses and working groups for
>>  recommendations is considered the best way to make sure that all
>>  topics of concern to WSIS civil society are present.
>>
>>  Note that our recommendations about the structure of the WGIG  (here
>>
>><<http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/>http://www.too-much.tv/inter
net_governance/>)
>>say we think the group
>>  should be small, between 19 and 31 total core members. By asking for
>>  nominations from all of WSIS civil society we are inviting a
>>  potentially large number of names to be submitted. Some means of
>>  reducing the composite list we receive may be required. We look
>>  forward to your advice on how we might handle this situation, it is
>>  quite likely. We suggest discussions about this are started now on
>>  the CS plenary list.
>>
>>  Please attempt to prioritize your nominations. If you are unable to
>>  do so please state clearly that your list is not prioritized.
>>  Coordination of nominations among caucuses/working group will be very
>>  helpful.
>>
>>  Individual members of the CS plenary may also submit nominations.
>>  Individuals should submit their nominations based on the criteria
>>  explained below.
>>
>>  As background for making the caucus/working group decision on the
>>  candidates, a draft of the WSIS Civil Society caucus's contribution
>>  on the WGIG can be found online at
>>
>><<http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/>http://www.too-much.tv/inter
net_governance/>.
>>These notes discuss
>>  some of the contents of the contribution.
>>
>>  We consider it critical that a balanced WGIG be drawn from a multi
>>  dimensional consideration of diversity.  That is, diversity in terms
>>  of sector, region, gender, and language background, among others,
>>  must be considered in assembling the WGIG.  It is also important that
>>  there be a balance between members from developing and developed
>>  countries.  It is also considered very important that candidates have
>>  a degree of knowledge of the issues, including policy, legal and
>>  technical, involved in the Internet governance debate. We also
>>  suggest candidates should have experience working in an international
>>  committee environment, be aware of ICT for development issues and
>  > human rights. No candidate is expected to have all these qualities,
>>  but we are suggesting they should be people with broad experience.
>>
>>  It is considered critical that though all participants come from
>>  different perspectives, they should be people who are willing to
>>  listen and consider carefully the views of others.  It is expected
>>  that the best outcome for the WGIG will come from an assembly of open
>>  minded individuals who can share their knowledge and expertise in an
>>  cooperative manner.
>>
>>  Finally it is considered important that any individual nominated as a
>>  candidate understand the amount of work this assignment would involve
>>  and indicate a readiness to participate.  While the work plan of the
>>  WGIG has yet to be determined, it is expected that the WGIG will
>>  begin work in the final months of 2004 and finish by July 2005. The
>>  schedule will most probably involve, email discussions,
>>  teleconferences and up to four (4) face to face meetings.  We
>>  anticipate that the working language of the WGIG itself will be
>>  English. It is expected, however, that there will be a great
>>  sensitivity to language issues as the WGIG conducts its work and
>>  consultations.
>>
>>  In making your caucuses/working groups recommendation, we request
>>  that you submit the following information, which will be passed on to
>>  Mr. Kummer, with the names of the candidates:
>>
>>  - Reliable contact information for the candidate; i.e. email,
>>  telephone, fax and postal address.
>>
>>  - A statement indicating the qualities that the person would bring to
>>  the WGIG.  While no particular content is being required, it is
>>  recommended that this section include a discussion of the concerns
>>  mentioned above and a discussion of the experience and perspective
>>  the candidate would bring to the WGIG discussions.
>>
>>  - A statement of the person's governance related affiliations.  That
>>  is information such as: which sector does the person belong to
>>  (government, industry or civil society), what caucuses/working groups
>>  do they participate in, employer, national background, and language
>>  skills.
>>
>>  - An indication from the candidate that they understand the work load
>>  they are volunteering for and that they are available during the
>>  expected period of deliberations.
>>
>>  - A short statement about your caucus/working group. Include
>>  information about the group's background and history, membership
>>  (numbers), and achievements or other information you think relevant.
>>  Please give a URL for a website if you have one.
>>
>>  It is recommended that these statements be no more then two pages in
>>  length. Candidate information will be collated and published on the
>>  Internet
>><<http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/>http://www.too-much.tv/inter
net_governance/>
>>(with
>>  candidates personal contact information removed.)
>>
>>  Members of the Internet governance caucus will aggregate the names
>>  received and send them along with the name of the caucus/working
>>  groups that made the nomination to Markus Kummer.  If any
>>  reconsideration of names is required in light of issues arising from
>>  the WGIG consultation on September 20-21 we will hold any relevant
>>  discussions about this on the plenary mailing list.
>>
>>  Time is short on gathering the list of candidates and you are
>>  requested to submit the candidate statements within the next two
>>  weeks.  The deadline for submission of candidate statements is 20
>>  Sept, 2004.  All statements should be sent to:
>>
>  > <mailto:igov@tla.crepundia.net>igov@tla.crepundia.net
>>
>>  In concluding, we thank you for helping us complete this important task.
>>
>>  Please try to coordinate your nominations with other caucuses and
>>  working groups.  And please consider the qualities your nominations
>>  will bring to the WGIG carefully. If you have questions about the
>>  process please contact the coordinators of the Caucus:
>>
>>  Jeanette Hofmann and Adam Peake
>>  Coordinators, Internet Governance Caucus
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  Plenary mailing list
>>  <mailto:Plenary@wsis-cs.org>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>
>><http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary>http://mailman.gr
eennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary

_______________________________________________
Plenary mailing list
Plenary@wsis-cs.org
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


From bruno.salgues at int-evry.fr  Tue Sep  7 07:38:24 2004
From: bruno.salgues at int-evry.fr (Bruno Salgues)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nominations: Working Group on Internet Governance (WGIG)
References: <p0611041abd62bef46737@[192.168.0.2]>
Message-ID: <009801c494a5$46c1b0b0$c2469f9d@intevry.fr>

i am candidate on WGIG civil society process

my name is bruno SALGUES
i am french and professor in INT Institut National des Telecommunications
(National Institute in Telecommunication) in France
i am a pioneer on use of network in france, more of twenty year ago
now professor in a ingeniering university and MBA on telecommunication

you can read more of me on www.salgues.fr or www.salgues.com

i prefere french speaking

about smsi, i have participate on the process on the beginning
some person can attest on my presence on preliminary discussion and prepcom1
on geneva phase.

if you have some question on me, send me a email

bruno salgues


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Peake" <ajp@glocom.ac.jp>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Cc: <governance@lists.cpsr.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:35 AM
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nominations: Working Group on Internet Governance
(WGIG)


> To Members of WSIS Civil Society, Caucuses and Working Groups
>
> The WSIS Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus hopes to assemble a
> list of candidates for membership in the Working Group on Internet
> Governance (WGIG).  The purpose of the list is to give Mr. Kummer and
> Mr. Annan a set of candidates from which they can select members for
> the WGIG. This list will not be the only input into the membership
> decision process, and does not prevent any group or individual from
> submitting her or his recommendations. We wish to provide the
> collective recommendations of WSIS caucuses and working groups.
>
> After much deliberation on the process by which the candidate list
> would be compiled, we, as coordinators of the Internet Governance
> caucus have made the decision to invite each of the WSIS civil
> society caucuses and working groups to suggest between one (1) and
> three (3) names for inclusion on the candidate list.
>
> There is not agreement for this course of action among members of the
> IG Caucus, but time is pressing and we feel WSIS Civil Society must
> have an opportunity to participate in this process.  This can work if
> we all try to make it work.  It means trying to think what is best
> for civil society, and not any particular interest group.  Please
> read this note carefully. And refer to the draft statement on
> structure of the WGIG you can find at this URL
> <http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/> (Spanish, French,
> English and Portuguese.)
>
> One of the goals for this candidate list is to make sure that all of
> the topical areas that might be included in the governance debate are
> covered. Indications are that the WGIG will take a broad view of
> Internet governance, and issues will include ICANN, Spam, information
> and network security, privacy and other ICT rights issues,
> intellectual property rights, and interconnection agreements to name
> just a few. Asking the other caucuses and working groups for
> recommendations is considered the best way to make sure that all
> topics of concern to WSIS civil society are present.
>
> Note that our recommendations about the structure of the WGIG  (here
> <http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/>) say we think the group
> should be small, between 19 and 31 total core members. By asking for
> nominations from all of WSIS civil society we are inviting a
> potentially large number of names to be submitted. Some means of
> reducing the composite list we receive may be required. We look
> forward to your advice on how we might handle this situation, it is
> quite likely. We suggest discussions about this are started now on
> the CS plenary list.
>
> Please attempt to prioritize your nominations. If you are unable to
> do so please state clearly that your list is not prioritized.
> Coordination of nominations among caucuses/working group will be very
> helpful.
>
> Individual members of the CS plenary may also submit nominations.
> Individuals should submit their nominations based on the criteria
> explained below.
>
> As background for making the caucus/working group decision on the
> candidates, a draft of the WSIS Civil Society caucus's contribution
> on the WGIG can be found online at
> <http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/>. These notes discuss
> some of the contents of the contribution.
>
> We consider it critical that a balanced WGIG be drawn from a multi
> dimensional consideration of diversity.  That is, diversity in terms
> of sector, region, gender, and language background, among others,
> must be considered in assembling the WGIG.  It is also important that
> there be a balance between members from developing and developed
> countries.  It is also considered very important that candidates have
> a degree of knowledge of the issues, including policy, legal and
> technical, involved in the Internet governance debate. We also
> suggest candidates should have experience working in an international
> committee environment, be aware of ICT for development issues and
> human rights. No candidate is expected to have all these qualities,
> but we are suggesting they should be people with broad experience.
>
> It is considered critical that though all participants come from
> different perspectives, they should be people who are willing to
> listen and consider carefully the views of others.  It is expected
> that the best outcome for the WGIG will come from an assembly of open
> minded individuals who can share their knowledge and expertise in an
> cooperative manner.
>
> Finally it is considered important that any individual nominated as a
> candidate understand the amount of work this assignment would involve
> and indicate a readiness to participate.  While the work plan of the
> WGIG has yet to be determined, it is expected that the WGIG will
> begin work in the final months of 2004 and finish by July 2005. The
> schedule will most probably involve, email discussions,
> teleconferences and up to four (4) face to face meetings.  We
> anticipate that the working language of the WGIG itself will be
> English. It is expected, however, that there will be a great
> sensitivity to language issues as the WGIG conducts its work and
> consultations.
>
> In making your caucuses/working groups recommendation, we request
> that you submit the following information, which will be passed on to
> Mr. Kummer, with the names of the candidates:
>
> - Reliable contact information for the candidate; i.e. email,
> telephone, fax and postal address.
>
> - A statement indicating the qualities that the person would bring to
> the WGIG.  While no particular content is being required, it is
> recommended that this section include a discussion of the concerns
> mentioned above and a discussion of the experience and perspective
> the candidate would bring to the WGIG discussions.
>
> - A statement of the person's governance related affiliations.  That
> is information such as: which sector does the person belong to
> (government, industry or civil society), what caucuses/working groups
> do they participate in, employer, national background, and language
> skills.
>
> - An indication from the candidate that they understand the work load
> they are volunteering for and that they are available during the
> expected period of deliberations.
>
> - A short statement about your caucus/working group. Include
> information about the group's background and history, membership
> (numbers), and achievements or other information you think relevant.
> Please give a URL for a website if you have one.
>
> It is recommended that these statements be no more then two pages in
> length. Candidate information will be collated and published on the
> Internet <http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/> (with
> candidates personal contact information removed.)
>
> Members of the Internet governance caucus will aggregate the names
> received and send them along with the name of the caucus/working
> groups that made the nomination to Markus Kummer.  If any
> reconsideration of names is required in light of issues arising from
> the WGIG consultation on September 20-21 we will hold any relevant
> discussions about this on the plenary mailing list.
>
> Time is short on gathering the list of candidates and you are
> requested to submit the candidate statements within the next two
> weeks.  The deadline for submission of candidate statements is 20
> Sept, 2004.  All statements should be sent to:
>
> igov@tla.crepundia.net
>
> In concluding, we thank you for helping us complete this important task.
>
> Please try to coordinate your nominations with other caucuses and
> working groups.  And please consider the qualities your nominations
> will bring to the WGIG carefully. If you have questions about the
> process please contact the coordinators of the Caucus:
>
> Jeanette Hofmann and Adam Peake
> Coordinators, Internet Governance Caucus
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Tue Sep  7 08:39:52 2004
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nomination of Karl Auerbach
In-Reply-To: <s13cfc08.059@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s13cfc08.059@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <p0611042dbd62f6449e0f@[192.168.0.2]>

Milton, thank you for your passionate support for your nominee.

As I mentioned to Linda, could you follow the 
format mentioned in our earlier email (I am 
copying below), and send to this address

<igov@tla.crepundia.net>

We will collate all nominations.

Of course please also send to the plenary list if 
you wish, but suggest you strip any personal 
contact information.

The format below only asks for information about 
the caucus or working group submitting the 
nomination(s), we should also have something 
about any individual making a nomination: who you 
are, your relationship with the nominee (typical 
conflict of interest type of things.) Of course 
this would not be necessary for a self-nomination 
:-)

Kind regards,

Adam



[Individual members of the CS plenary may also 
submit nominations. Individuals should submit 
their nominations based on the criteria explained 
below.]

In making your caucuses/working groups 
recommendation, we request that you submit the 
following information, which will be passed on to 
Mr. Kummer, with the names of the candidates:

- Reliable contact information for the candidate; 
i.e. email, telephone, fax and postal address.

- A statement indicating the qualities that the 
person would bring to the WGIG.  While no 
particular content is being required, it is 
recommended that this section include a 
discussion of the concerns mentioned above and a 
discussion of the experience and perspective the 
candidate would bring to the WGIG discussions.

- A statement of the person's governance related 
affiliations.  That is information such as: which 
sector does the person belong to (government, 
industry or civil society), what caucuses/working 
groups do they participate in, employer, national 
background, and language skills.

- An indication from the candidate that they 
understand the work load they are volunteering 
for and that they are available during the 
expected period of deliberations.

- A short statement about your caucus/working 
group. Include information about the group's 
background and history, membership (numbers), and 
achievements or other information you think 
relevant. Please give a URL for a website if you 
have one.

It is recommended that these statements be no 
more then two pages in length. Candidate 
information will be collated and published on the 
Internet 
<http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/> 
(with candidates personal contact information 
removed.)

END

>I would like to submit the name of Karl Auerbach as a
>CS nominee for the WGIG. email: karl@cavebear.com
>
>Mr. Auerbach has been working on Internet technology
>since the early 1970's, and has been a long-time participant
>in the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF). He has
>worked for Cisco in the past, and has developed his own
>company dealing with network management issues. In
>addition to his technical work, Mr. Auerbach has been an
>attorney in California since 1978.?
>
>I consider Auerbach to be an ideal representative of CS
>on the Internet Governance Working Group, because of
>his campaign to make ICANN democratic and accountable.
>He is also committed to privacy rights, free expression, a
>decentralized Internet, and resistance to Internet's dominance
>by intellectual property interests. While ICANN was being
>created, Karl worked hard to ensure that it would be a
>membership organization that was open to civil society. He
>played an important role in ensuring that half of its Board
>would be selected through a global electorate. For two years
>ICANN's management attempted to eliminate, stall, or cripple
>those elections. When elections were finally held, Karl obtained
>a position on the ballot by petition, and decisively won the North
>American seat on the Board.
>
>The ICANN elections constituted a radical experiment in civil
>society participation in global governance. I believe that
>someone who was actually *elected* to a responsible position
>by thousands of civil society members has a special standing in
>the Internet Governance working group. It is rare that this
>exposure to the highly political side of Internet governance should
>be combined with the kind of technical knowledge that he has.
>He is also a very accessible, informal and friendly person.
>
>If you want to examine his service on the ICANN board, you can
>turn to his web page about it.
>http://www.cavebear.com/icann-board/index.htm
>Here is more biographical information
>http://www.cavebear.com/cavebear/karl.html
>
>It is well known that Karl was very critical of ICANN, but he is also
>very independent and is aware that some alternatives proposed are
>worse. One of his important achievements was to bring successful
>litigation requiring ICANN to open some of its records to the public.
>
>There are only two negative things that might be said about
>Mr. Auerbach as a nominee. One is that he has not been an
>active member of the WSIS activities. However, I hope this group
>is not so parochial as to think that all of civil society is
>encompassed
>by WSIS activists. One must remember that until November 2003,
>Internet governance and WSIS hardly intersected at all. By forming
>a WG focused on Internet Governance, the December Plan of Action
>required a consolidation and intersection of those elements of CS
>involved in ICANN with those CS elements involved in WSIS. Since
>December 2003, Mr. Auerbach has been recognized as an important
>participant in WGIG matters, being invited to the ITU's meeting in
>February and the UN ICT TF Global Forum in March.
>
>The other possible criticism is that Karl is focused exclusively on
>ICANN and does not see the bigger picture. To that I would answer,
>yes, of course, he knows the most about those aspects of Internet
>governance related to his direct experience in ICANN, but his
>training as an attorney and a technologist provides a much broader
>awareness of key issues. This includes issues such as intellectual
>property, free/open source software issues, and telecommunications
>policy and regulation.
>
>I hope you will support his nomination to the WGIG.
>
>--Milton Mueller
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Plenary mailing list
>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Tue Sep  7 09:53:00 2004
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] information (Nominations: Working Group on Internet Governance
 (WGIG))
Message-ID: <p06110431bd6325140739@[192.168.1.254]>

There seems to be some confusion about the information we are 
requesting about nominees and how to submit that information. 
Summary, cut and paste from my earlier email and a further 
explanation about individuals below.

Please follow this format.

Please submit nominations by 20 September 2004 at the latest to 
<igov@tla.crepundia.net>

Thank you,

Adam




Please follow the format described below and send to this address:

<igov@tla.crepundia.net>

We will collate all nominations.

Please also send to the civil society plenary list if you wish, but 
suggest you strip any personal contact information before doing so.

The format below only asks for information about the caucus or 
working group submitting the nomination(s), we should also have 
something about any individual making a nomination: who you are, your 
relationship with the nominee (typical conflict of interest issues.) 
This will not be necessary for a self-nomination :-)


Format for submitting nomination(s)

In making your caucuses/working groups recommendation, we request 
that you submit the following information, which will be passed on to 
Mr. Kummer, with the names of the candidates. Individual members of 
the CS plenary may also submit nominations. Individuals should also 
submit their nominations based on the criteria explained below.

- Reliable contact information for the candidate; i.e. email, 
telephone, fax and postal address.

- A statement indicating the qualities that the person would bring to 
the WGIG.  While no particular content is being required, it is 
recommended that this section include a discussion of the concerns 
mentioned above and a discussion of the experience and perspective 
the candidate would bring to the WGIG discussions.

- A statement of the person's governance related affiliations.  That 
is information such as: which sector does the person belong to 
(government, industry or civil society), what caucuses/working groups 
do they participate in, employer, national background, and language 
skills.

- An indication from the candidate that they understand the work load 
they are volunteering for and that they are available during the 
expected period of deliberations.

- A short statement about your caucus/working group. Include 
information about the group's background and history, membership 
(numbers), and achievements or other information you think relevant. 
Please give a URL for a website if you have one.

It is recommended that these statements be no more then two pages in 
length. Candidate information will be collated and published on the 
Internet <http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/> (with 
candidates personal contact information removed.)

END

From bruno.salgues at int-evry.fr  Tue Sep  7 10:03:17 2004
From: bruno.salgues at int-evry.fr (Bruno Salgues)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nominations: Working Group on Internet Governance (WGIG)
References: <p0611041abd62bef46737@[192.168.0.2]> <009801c494a5$46c1b0b0$c2469f9d@intevry.fr>
Message-ID: <019601c494b9$83acd860$c2469f9d@intevry.fr>

- Reliable contact information for the candidate; i.e. email,

telephone, fax and postal address.

Information et contact du candidat, email, telephone, fax et adresse postale

Bruno SALGUES

Directeur d'?tudes/ Professor

Groupe des Ecoles des Telecommunications/ Institut National des
Telecommunications

Laboratoire CRITIC

9 rue Charles Fourier

91000 EVRY

France

Tel : 00 33 1 60 76 47 49

Fax : 00 33 1 60 76 43 83

- A statement indicating the qualities that the person would bring to

the WGIG. While no particular content is being required, it is

recommended that this section include a discussion of the concerns

mentioned above and a discussion of the experience and perspective

the candidate would bring to the WGIG discussions.

Indication des particuliarit? du candidat. Il est recommande de faire
appara?tre l'experience du candidat dans le sommet et ce les perpective du
candidat.

i am french and professor in INT Institut National des Telecommunications

(National Institute in Telecommunication) in France

i am a pioneer on use of network in france, more of twenty year ago

now professor in a ingeniering university and MBA on telecommunication

- A statement of the person's governance related affiliations. That

is information such as: which sector does the person belong to

(government, industry or civil society), what caucuses/working groups

do they participate in, employer, national background, and language

skills

Affiliation et groupe de travail

Member of civil society

i prefere french speaking

about smsi, i have participate on the process on the beginning

some person can attest on my presence on preliminary discussion and prepcom1

on geneva phase.

.

- An indication from the candidate that they understand the work load

they are volunteering for and that they are available during the

expected period of deliberations.

Comprehension du travail par le candidat



Il est n?cessaire qu il y ait des candidatures francophone pour la pluralit?
des d?bats

La soci?t? civile europ?enne ne peut ?tre absente

R?le d'expert que joue l'institut national des t?l?communications dans le
monde



- A short statement about your caucus/working group. Include

information about the group's background and history, membership

(numbers), and achievements or other information you think relevant.

Please give a URL for a website if you have one

Histoire de la particiaption dans des groupes, adresse de site web

www.salgues.fr

www.int-evry.fr





----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruno Salgues" <bruno.salgues@int-evry.fr>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nominations: Working Group on Internet
Governance (WGIG)


> i am candidate on WGIG civil society process
>
> my name is bruno SALGUES
> i am french and professor in INT Institut National des Telecommunications
> (National Institute in Telecommunication) in France
> i am a pioneer on use of network in france, more of twenty year ago
> now professor in a ingeniering university and MBA on telecommunication
>
> you can read more of me on www.salgues.fr or www.salgues.com
>
> i prefere french speaking
>
> about smsi, i have participate on the process on the beginning
> some person can attest on my presence on preliminary discussion and
prepcom1
> on geneva phase.
>
> if you have some question on me, send me a email
>
> bruno salgues
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Peake" <ajp@glocom.ac.jp>
> To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> Cc: <governance@lists.cpsr.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:35 AM
> Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nominations: Working Group on Internet
Governance
> (WGIG)
>
>
> > To Members of WSIS Civil Society, Caucuses and Working Groups
> >
> > The WSIS Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus hopes to assemble a
> > list of candidates for membership in the Working Group on Internet
> > Governance (WGIG).  The purpose of the list is to give Mr. Kummer and
> > Mr. Annan a set of candidates from which they can select members for
> > the WGIG. This list will not be the only input into the membership
> > decision process, and does not prevent any group or individual from
> > submitting her or his recommendations. We wish to provide the
> > collective recommendations of WSIS caucuses and working groups.
> >
> > After much deliberation on the process by which the candidate list
> > would be compiled, we, as coordinators of the Internet Governance
> > caucus have made the decision to invite each of the WSIS civil
> > society caucuses and working groups to suggest between one (1) and
> > three (3) names for inclusion on the candidate list.
> >
> > There is not agreement for this course of action among members of the
> > IG Caucus, but time is pressing and we feel WSIS Civil Society must
> > have an opportunity to participate in this process.  This can work if
> > we all try to make it work.  It means trying to think what is best
> > for civil society, and not any particular interest group.  Please
> > read this note carefully. And refer to the draft statement on
> > structure of the WGIG you can find at this URL
> > <http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/> (Spanish, French,
> > English and Portuguese.)
> >
> > One of the goals for this candidate list is to make sure that all of
> > the topical areas that might be included in the governance debate are
> > covered. Indications are that the WGIG will take a broad view of
> > Internet governance, and issues will include ICANN, Spam, information
> > and network security, privacy and other ICT rights issues,
> > intellectual property rights, and interconnection agreements to name
> > just a few. Asking the other caucuses and working groups for
> > recommendations is considered the best way to make sure that all
> > topics of concern to WSIS civil society are present.
> >
> > Note that our recommendations about the structure of the WGIG  (here
> > <http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/>) say we think the group
> > should be small, between 19 and 31 total core members. By asking for
> > nominations from all of WSIS civil society we are inviting a
> > potentially large number of names to be submitted. Some means of
> > reducing the composite list we receive may be required. We look
> > forward to your advice on how we might handle this situation, it is
> > quite likely. We suggest discussions about this are started now on
> > the CS plenary list.
> >
> > Please attempt to prioritize your nominations. If you are unable to
> > do so please state clearly that your list is not prioritized.
> > Coordination of nominations among caucuses/working group will be very
> > helpful.
> >
> > Individual members of the CS plenary may also submit nominations.
> > Individuals should submit their nominations based on the criteria
> > explained below.
> >
> > As background for making the caucus/working group decision on the
> > candidates, a draft of the WSIS Civil Society caucus's contribution
> > on the WGIG can be found online at
> > <http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/>. These notes discuss
> > some of the contents of the contribution.
> >
> > We consider it critical that a balanced WGIG be drawn from a multi
> > dimensional consideration of diversity.  That is, diversity in terms
> > of sector, region, gender, and language background, among others,
> > must be considered in assembling the WGIG.  It is also important that
> > there be a balance between members from developing and developed
> > countries.  It is also considered very important that candidates have
> > a degree of knowledge of the issues, including policy, legal and
> > technical, involved in the Internet governance debate. We also
> > suggest candidates should have experience working in an international
> > committee environment, be aware of ICT for development issues and
> > human rights. No candidate is expected to have all these qualities,
> > but we are suggesting they should be people with broad experience.
> >
> > It is considered critical that though all participants come from
> > different perspectives, they should be people who are willing to
> > listen and consider carefully the views of others.  It is expected
> > that the best outcome for the WGIG will come from an assembly of open
> > minded individuals who can share their knowledge and expertise in an
> > cooperative manner.
> >
> > Finally it is considered important that any individual nominated as a
> > candidate understand the amount of work this assignment would involve
> > and indicate a readiness to participate.  While the work plan of the
> > WGIG has yet to be determined, it is expected that the WGIG will
> > begin work in the final months of 2004 and finish by July 2005. The
> > schedule will most probably involve, email discussions,
> > teleconferences and up to four (4) face to face meetings.  We
> > anticipate that the working language of the WGIG itself will be
> > English. It is expected, however, that there will be a great
> > sensitivity to language issues as the WGIG conducts its work and
> > consultations.
> >
> > In making your caucuses/working groups recommendation, we request
> > that you submit the following information, which will be passed on to
> > Mr. Kummer, with the names of the candidates:
> >
> > - Reliable contact information for the candidate; i.e. email,
> > telephone, fax and postal address.
> >
> > - A statement indicating the qualities that the person would bring to
> > the WGIG.  While no particular content is being required, it is
> > recommended that this section include a discussion of the concerns
> > mentioned above and a discussion of the experience and perspective
> > the candidate would bring to the WGIG discussions.
> >
> > - A statement of the person's governance related affiliations.  That
> > is information such as: which sector does the person belong to
> > (government, industry or civil society), what caucuses/working groups
> > do they participate in, employer, national background, and language
> > skills.
> >
> > - An indication from the candidate that they understand the work load
> > they are volunteering for and that they are available during the
> > expected period of deliberations.
> >
> > - A short statement about your caucus/working group. Include
> > information about the group's background and history, membership
> > (numbers), and achievements or other information you think relevant.
> > Please give a URL for a website if you have one.
> >
> > It is recommended that these statements be no more then two pages in
> > length. Candidate information will be collated and published on the
> > Internet <http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/> (with
> > candidates personal contact information removed.)
> >
> > Members of the Internet governance caucus will aggregate the names
> > received and send them along with the name of the caucus/working
> > groups that made the nomination to Markus Kummer.  If any
> > reconsideration of names is required in light of issues arising from
> > the WGIG consultation on September 20-21 we will hold any relevant
> > discussions about this on the plenary mailing list.
> >
> > Time is short on gathering the list of candidates and you are
> > requested to submit the candidate statements within the next two
> > weeks.  The deadline for submission of candidate statements is 20
> > Sept, 2004.  All statements should be sent to:
> >
> > igov@tla.crepundia.net
> >
> > In concluding, we thank you for helping us complete this important task.
> >
> > Please try to coordinate your nominations with other caucuses and
> > working groups.  And please consider the qualities your nominations
> > will bring to the WGIG carefully. If you have questions about the
> > process please contact the coordinators of the Caucus:
> >
> > Jeanette Hofmann and Adam Peake
> > Coordinators, Internet Governance Caucus
> > _______________________________________________
> > Plenary mailing list
> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>
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From acarvin at edc.org  Tue Sep  7 20:34:52 2004
From: acarvin at edc.org (Andy Carvin)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] call for papers: achieving "e-government for all"
Message-ID: <413E0D5C.2040403@edc.org>

(please feel free to re-distribute if appropriate)

Hi everyone,


As some of you may know, my organization is actively exploring the 
possibility of hosting a virtual follow-up to last year's E-Government 
for All conference (www.egov4all.org) early next year, in conjunction 
with a real-world conference that would serve as a thematic meeting on 
e-government and the digital divide in support of WSIS. We're talking 
actively with potential partners and funders, and hope to make an 
official announcement later this autumn.

In the meantime, I'm still seeking to put together a list of experts we 
could solicit to write essays on E-Government for All for a 
pre-conference anthology we hope to publish at the end of the year. 
We're searching for experts who can articulate the relationship between 
e-government deployment and the need for policies for bridging the 
digital divide. For example, we hope to identify experts from 
government, civil society, academia, the donor community and the private 
sector who believe that e-government deployment must be part of a 
broader ICT policy to bridge the digital  divide, improve public 
Internet access, address a diversity of literacy, language and 
accessibility needs, etc., in order to make e-government accessible to 
all people.

We are committed to making our anthology as diverse as possible, so at 
the moment I am specifically seeking to identify experts from developing 
countries, representatives of indigenous groups, ethnic minorities, the 
disabled and women, as well as a small number of youth representatives, 
who have a particular perspective on achieving e-government for all. If 
anyone has any suggestions of experts, or would themselves like to 
propose writing on a particular topic, please email me off-list at 
acarvin @ edc.org. Please be sure to include contact information, areas 
of expertise, professional experience, and essay topic suggestions, if 
appropriate.

Thanks,

ac


-- 
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Andy Carvin
Program Director
EDC Center for Media & Community
acarvin @ edc . org
http://www.digitaldividenetwork.org
http://www.edwebproject.org/andy/blog/
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From james.archibald at mcgill.ca  Wed Sep  8 19:22:33 2004
From: james.archibald at mcgill.ca (Jak Archibald)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Colloquium on Localization
In-Reply-To: <p06020487bcf6b6adeded@[192.168.1.254]>
Message-ID: <002001c495d0$cfd51140$17ecce84@mcgill.ca>

Please find attached the program and registration form for the above.
J. Archibald

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From: gerardodiaz at hotmail.com (Gerardo B Diaz)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Colloquium on Localization
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>From: "Jak Archibald" <james.archibald@mcgill.ca>
>Reply-To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
>Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Colloquium on Localization
>Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:22:33 -0400
>
>Please find attached the program and registration form for the above.
>J. Archibald
>
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Would you be so kind to send them out again but this time just as
regular plain ascii text?

TIA,

Gerardo Díaz

http://www.solar.org.ar

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From jsarr at refer.sn  Wed Sep  8 21:26:38 2004
From: jsarr at refer.sn (Joseph Sarr)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Colloquium on Localization
In-Reply-To: <BAY22-F63mbfJ8VrRQv00019fa2@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY22-F63mbfJ8VrRQv00019fa2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <1094675198.413f6afea2b09@www.refer.sn>

Bonjour Gerardo

Je vous transmets ci-apr?s les copies des fichiers(en fran?ais) envoy?s par
Archibald.
Bonne r?ception

Joseph SARR

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Formulaire d?inscription

La localisation sur la Toile :
Politiques, strat?gies et pratiques

18 et 19 octobre 2004


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PROGRAMME /

Universit? McGill ? Unit? de formation et de recherche en traduction
Commission sectorielle - Culture, Communication et Information - de la
Commission canadienne pour l?UNESCO
Linguatech, ?diteur
Ordre des traducteurs, terminologues et interpr?tes agr??s du Qu?bec
Service de coop?ration et d?action culturelle, Consulat g?n?ral de France ?
Qu?bec
Sommet mondial sur la soci?t? de l?information



La localisation sur la Toile :
politiques, strat?gies et pratiques




PROGRAMME




18 et 19 octobre 2004
Universit? McGill 
688, rue Sherbrooke Ouest, salle 1041
Montr?al
lundi 18 octobre

10 h ? midi  Inscription et accueil

13 h  Ouverture
Monique C. Cormier, term. a., pr?sidente, Ordre des traducteurs, terminologues
et interpr?tes agr??s du Qu?bec (OTTIAQ) et professeure titulaire au D?partement
de linguistique et de traduction de l'Universit? de Montr?al

Politiques linguistiques et localisation

13 h 15  Facilitation et complexification : deux aspects des politiques de
localisation sur la Toile  
Jeannine GERBAULT 
Universit? Michel de Montaigne Bordeaux 3

13 h 45  Discussion

14 h  Sites institutionnels multilingues  
Mathieu Guid?re 
Universit? Lumi?re Lyon 2 et ?coles de Saint-Cyr Co?quidan/CREC

14 h 30  Discussion
14 h 50  Pause

15 h  Le fran?ais dans la Toile, fruit de la localisation ou de la traduction ?
Paula Bouffard et Philippe Caignon 
Universit? Concordia

15 h 30  Discussion

15 h 50  Vers une politique internationale de la diversit? sur la Toile 
James Archibald 
Universit? McGill

16 h 20  Discussion

17 h ? 18 h  Cocktail de lancement
Gold Room, Cercle universitaire
3450, rue McTavish
Montr?al

La localisation : la probl?matique de la formation




mardi 19 octobre

Strat?gies de communication et localisation

9 h 30  Introduction ? R?capitulation
James Archibald
Universit? McGill

9 h 45  Sites commerciaux multilingues 
Mathieu Guid?re 
Universit? Lumi?re Lyon 2 et ?coles de Saint-Cyr Co?quidan/CREC

10 h 15  Discussion

10 h 25  Pause

10 h 35  Localisation et crit?res de qualit? 
Louise Brunette 
Universit? du Qu?bec en Outaouais et 
Marie-?ve Valiquette 
The Bombay Company

11 h 05  Localisation des sites Internet et synergie avec les composantes
traditionnelles de l?identit? visuelle des entreprises 
Philippe P?riou 
Solo Communications Inc. et 
Christophe R?thor? 
University of Virginia

11 h 35  Discussion

12 h 15  D?jeuner ? conf?rence

Gold Room, Cercle universitaire
3450, rue McTavish
Montr?al

UNESCO et le multilinguisme dans le cyberespace
Fran?ois-Pierre Le Scouarnec
Pr?sident, Commission sectorielle ? Culture, Communication et Information
Commission canadienne pour l?UNESCO 

14 h  La campagne de publicit? ? On demand Business ? 
Fran?ois Lanct?t 
Polytraduction et
Lillian Arsenault, Web Translation Competency Centre d?IBM

14 h 30  Lexicom?trie et variations francophones dans la langue commerciale sur
Internet 
Christophe R?thor? 
University of Virginia

15 h  Discussion

15 h 20  Pause

15 h 30  Contraintes culturelles de la communication publicitaire en ligne 
Eve Lindemuth Bodeux   
Bodeux International LLC) et 
Christophe R?thor? 
University of Virginia

16 h  Discussion

16 h 20  Cl?ture

Jean Quirion
Universit? du Qu?bec en Outaouais

























R?sum?s

?	Facilitation et complexification : deux aspects des politiques de localisation
sur la Toile

Parmi les effets des importants changements politiques, sociaux et
technologiques dont nous avons ?t? t?moins ? la fin du 20i?me si?cle, la
mobilit? accrue des biens et des personnes et le d?veloppement de la Toile
occupent une place remarquable.
Or l?Europe multilingue et multiculturelle et les pays qui la composent ont pour
objectif d?clar? de concilier recherche de l?unit? et respect de la diversit?.
Ceci est un d?fi si l?on consid?re l??ventail des grandes et petites langues en
pr?sence dans cette partie du monde.

Dans cette communication, je me propose d?explorer la mise en actes de cette
politique dans le cadre de la localisation des sites Web des universit?s et de
quelques grandes institutions de formation ou de recherche europ?ennes. ? partir
de cet exemple, je discuterai deux aspects de la localisation sur la Toile, qui
me semblent pouvoir mener ? une meilleure compr?hension de la mani?re dont les
TIC elles-m?mes peuvent contribuer ? la localisation, et appeler des choix de
politiques linguistiques : 1/ moyens de facilitation de la communication ?
traduction, utilisation de langues-pivots, dispositifs d?apprentissage de
langue
 et 2/ complexification ? dans la mesure o? la localisation peut ou doit
engager ? la mise en ?uvre de dispositifs hybrides.

?	Sites institutionnels multilingues

La localisation sur la Toile touche tous les acteurs de la vie sociale et
politique. Les sites institutionnels et gouvernementaux ne font pas exception ?
ce mouvement g?n?ral. De plus en plus d?administrations et de minist?res tentent
de localiser leur site en le traduisant dans une ou plusieurs langues. Les
raisons d?une telle tendance sont multiples et les r?sultats visibles sur la
Toile sont encore h?sitants. Pour illustrer les probl?matiques pos?es par ce
type de localisation institutionnelle, nous prendrons comme exemple la
localisation des sites des ambassades fran?aises pour les pays arabes.

Ces sites repr?sentent, pour le Minist?re des Affaires ?trang?res, ce que les
sp?cialistes de la communication appellent : ? la vitrine d?un pays ?. Ils
renferment en effet ce que le pays concern? veut afficher comme image vis ? vis
de ses ressortissants expatri?s, mais aussi et surtout ce qu?il communique ?
l?intention des citoyens des pays d?accueil de ses ambassades.

A partir d?une ?tude compar?e des diff?rents sites des ambassades fran?aises
dans les pays arabes, nous avons voulu conna?tre la nature de l?image que la
France veut donner d?elle m?me ? ces pays dans le contexte international actuel.
Nous avons ?galement cherch? ? savoir quels efforts de localisation ?taient mis
en oeuvre pour r?pondre ? cet objectif de communication, en ?tablissant une
?tude comparative avec d?autres pays tels que le Canada et les ?tats-Unis.



?	Le fran?ais dans la Toile, fruit de la localisation ou de la traduction ?

En 2004, les grandes multinationales branch?es sur la Toile ont vu leur chiffre
d?affaires provenant des march?s en ?mergence cro?tre consid?rablement (Yunker
2004 : 66). Afin de promouvoir davantage leur image et leurs produits dans le
monde entier, elles lancent de plus en plus de sites. Ces sites doivent ? ?tre
con?us en plusieurs langues ou localis?s ? (De la Paix 2003 : 192) et tenir
compte des divergences existant entre les langues-cultures (Pfremmer 2004 : 45 )
? d?faut de quoi, la strat?gie de marketing Web peut se retourner contre
l?entreprise qui l?emploie (Thicke 2003 : 47).

Le fran?ais est la langue officielle de 22 pays et co-officielle de cinq autres
(McKay 2003 : 45). Les multinationales le savent et localisent pour bon nombre
de ces ?tats. Or, le statut unilingue ou multilingue d?une nation ainsi que le
statut de la communaut? francophone au sein de cette nation influent sur la
fa?on dont un site est localis?. Dans notre communication, nous allons d?montrer
que la situation d?une communaut? linguistique d?termine si le site qui lui est
destin? est effectivement localis? ou simplement traduit.

?	Vers une politique internationale de la diversit? sur la Toile

Depuis la mise en place du processus de consultation menant aux deux sommets
mondiaux sur la soci?t? de l?information plusieurs intervenants se sont
concert?s afin de formuler une politique internationale de diversit?
linguistique et culturelle sur la grande Toile.  Bien que le processus demeure
fonci?rement gouvernemental, le secteur priv?, les organismes non
gouvernementaux internationaux et la soci?t? civile ont largement contribu? au
d?bat et continueront de revendiquer leurs positions respectives jusqu??
l?adoption au sommet de Tunis en 2005 d?une orientation consensuelle attendue.

Cette communication passera en revue le processus et les contributions des
intervenants respectifs et se focalisera sur les principes acquis de diversit?
linguistique et culturelle ainsi que les plans d?action qui permettront de
mettre en pratique ces m?mes principes.

?	Sites commerciaux multilingues 

Le commerce ?lectronique conna?t un essor sans pr?c?dent sur la Toile. Gr?ce aux
progr?s r?alis?s en mati?re de techniques de communication et de s?curisation
des paiements, il est possible aujourd?hui d?acheter et de vendre tous types
d?articles sur l?Internet. C?est pourquoi les entreprises se sont lanc?es dans
la construction de sites commerciaux multilingues pour pouvoir vendre leurs
produits au plus grand nombre de consommateurs dans le monde, quel que soit leur
pays de r?sidence.

Mais l?examen approfondi de ces sites multilingues r?v?le la pr?sence latente de
deux mod?les de localisation commerciale : l?un est fond? sur le crit?re du ?
territoire ?, l?autre sur le crit?re de la ? langue ?, mais tous deux rel?vent
d?une vision ? politique ? que nous tenterons de cerner ? travers des exemples
pr?cis.

Pour rendre compte de ces deux options de localisation actuellement disponibles
sur la Toile, nous ?tudierons les sites web multilingues des compagnies
a?riennes, lesquels permettent de r?server et d?acheter en ligne des billets
d?avion ? partir de n?importe quel pays. Nous prendrons comme exemple les
diff?rents sites de la compagnie Air France mais nous ferons une ?tude compar?e
avec ceux d?autres grandes compagnies telles que British Airways ou American
Airlines.

?	Localisation et crit?res de qualit?

En g?n?ral, c?est ? l?industrie logicielle qu?on associe la localisation. Ce
fait est confirm? par les descriptifs des agences dites de localisation et par
la pr?dominance du logiciel dans les pr?occupations d?un organisme comme LISA.
Rien d??tonnant alors dans la prise de possession du domaine par les
informaticiens. Or qui dit industrie dit aussi contr?le de la qualit?. Dans
cette optique, les localisateurs de logiciels  se sont donn? diverses grilles
dont l?application devrait assurer la qualit? technique du produit ? livrer au
client.

Par ailleurs, sur la Toile, un des secteurs les plus actifs, sinon le plus
dynamique, est sans contredit celui du commerce ?lectronique international. De
la m?me mani?re que les techniciens de la localisation, les agents de
commercialisation ont leurs credo qualitatifs o? dominent par exemple la valeur
ajout?e et la s?curit? des sites Web.

Que ce soit en mati?re de logiciels ou de sites commerciaux localis?s, l?examen
nous r?v?le que les param?tres appliqu?s ne prennent pas vraiment en compte les
deux ?l?ments pivots de la localisation eu ?gard aux destinataires, soit la
langue et la culture. Ces deux aspects ont la portion congrue dans les
op?rations de contr?le de la qualit?.

Nous nous proposons de brosser un tableau des objectifs de qualit? en vigueur et
de nous interroger sur la pertinence ou la faisabilit? de l?adjonction de
param?tres relevant de la traduction.

?	Localisation des sites Internet et synergie avec les composantes
traditionnelles de l?identit? visuelle des entreprises 

Comme toute personne physique, l'entreprise, personne morale, a son identit?.
Les dirigeants des entreprises s?appliquent, ? grands coups de millions de
dollars, ? b?tir cette identit?, unique et distincte de celle des concurrents.
Avant l?av?nement de la communication en ligne, la t?che ?tait d?j? complexe,
car l?identit? des entreprises ?tait fonction de nombreux ?l?ments : raison
sociale, logotype, rapport annuel, publicit?s, emballages, outils promotionnels,
etc. 

L?explosion de la communication sur Internet et les changements de comportement
qu?elle a entra?n? chez le consommateur/client ont boulevers? la donne. Le site
Web est devenu un ?l?ment central de l?identit? des entreprises. Pour les
multinationales et les entreprises qui ciblent simultan?ment plusieurs
communaut?s linguistiques et culturelles, cette nouvelle vitrine virtuelle
(?lectronique) pose des probl?mes d?adaptation particuliers ? car cette
localisation doit se faire en respectant les autres ?l?ments de l?identit? de
l?entreprise 

Nous proposons une vue d'ensemble de l'identit? de l?entreprise. Apr?s avoir mis
en ?vidence l?importance du site Web au c?ur de cette identit?, nous analysons
les effets de synergie produits par les diff?rentes composantes identitaires.
Ensuite, nous nous int?ressons ? la localisation globale de l?identit? visuelle
(anglais < > fran?ais).

?	La campagne de publicit? ? On demand Business ? 

Il s?agit ici d?une ?tude de cas visant ? mettre en relief le flux des travaux
associ?s ? une campagne de publicit? de grande envergure d?ploy?e dans un
contexte mondial, conform?ment ? une strat?gie multilingue. On y d?crit
l?organigramme du Web Translation Competency Centre de la soci?t? IBM, un centre
d?excellence bas? ? Montr?al et pilot? par les gestionnaires du centre de
traduction d?IBM Canada Lt?e. Vient ensuite une analyse d?taill?e de la s?quence
des travaux de gestion de projet et de cr?ation/adaptation des contenus
localis?s. Cette analyse repose sur les t?ches r?elles d?un charg? de projet et
explore les relations entre les principaux acteurs de la machine publicitaire :
concepteurs, r?dacteurs, designers (illustrations), programmeurs et traducteurs.
L?accent sera plac? sur les ?l?ments ci-dessous :
 
1.	Choix et d?cision relatives aux langues (march?s) ? traiter
2.	R?partition de la charge de travail dans les centres de traduction des divers
march?s
3.	Coordination 
4.	Codage informatique, support des langues asiatiques et bidirectionnelles 
5.	Int?gration des contenus multim?dias (rich contents)
6.	Publication.

?	Lexicom?trie et variations francophones dans la langue commerciale sur
Internet 
La lexicom?trie (statistique textuelle) permet de quantifier les identit?s
linguistiques ? l?int?rieur d?un ?chantillon de textes (ici, le contenu de sites
Internet) repr?sentatifs d?un ou plusieurs discours. ? l?origine, cette
technique a ?t? utilis?e par le ? groupe de Saint-Cloud ? (CNRS/ENS, France)
pour distinguer les discours politiques ou sociopolitiques. Nous allons voir
comment elle peut s?appliquer ? d?autres domaines, par exemple, la publicit?
institutionnelle en ligne.

Notre corpus est compos? de sites Internet r?alis?s par des entreprises de
services financiers. Les pays d?origine sont les suivants : Canada, France,
Belgique, Suisse et Maroc. La taille du corpus est d?environ 50 000 occurrences
(10 000 occurrences par partie).

? l?aide de la m?thode des sp?cificit?s lexicales (appliqu?e aux formes simples
et aux segments r?p?t?s), nous pr?sentons les diff?rences et les similitudes
linguistiques entre les divers annonceurs. Nous analysons ensuite les
d?terminants de l?identit? linguistique (francophone) en ligne, avant de
conclure sur le degr? possible de standardisation de la communication
francophone en ligne. Ainsi, une banque multinationale qui souhaiterait
communiquer avec des consommateurs francophones ? l??chelle internationale
peut-elle utiliser un seul site Internet en fran?ais, ou doit-elle adapter ses
supports publicitaires aux diff?rents pays de la francophonie ?

?	Contraintes culturelles de la communication publicitaire en ligne 

La traduction du contenu des sites Internet (localisation) est devenue une
?vidence pour les entreprises canadiennes et multinationales. En effet, la
recherche marketing a montr? que le consommateur a quatre fois plus de chances
de d?penser en ligne s?il peut communiquer dans sa langue maternelle. Les
entreprises comme amazon.com ou expedia.com l?ont bien compris. Par contre, tout
comme la traduction ? traditionnelle ?, la localisation est assortie de
contraintes culturelles. Il ne suffit ?videmment pas de traduire litt?ralement
pour localiser. 

Au-del? du texte, les photos, les couleurs et la mise en page des sites Internet
refl?tent des param?tres culturels qu?il faut adapter ? chaque march? cible. La
d?marche est d?autant plus compliqu?e qu?il n?y pas toujours univocit? entre
march? et langue, entre pays et langue ou entre langue et pays. L?allemand est
parl? en Autriche, en Suisse et en Allemagne. Le fran?ais est la langue de
consommation en France, mais aussi au Canada, en Afrique ou en Belgique, etc.
Dans cette pr?sentation, nous r?sumons les principaux ?cueils ? ?viter afin de
garantir le transfert culturel (et pas seulement linguistique) des sites
Internet. Le fran?ais est la langue d?arriv?e dans la plupart de nos exemples.

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Selon Gerardo B Diaz <gerardodiaz@hotmail.com>:

> 
> >From: "Jak Archibald" <james.archibald@mcgill.ca>
> >Reply-To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> >Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Colloquium on Localization
> >Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:22:33 -0400
> >
> >Please find attached the program and registration form for the above.
> >J. Archibald
> >
> ><< Localisation2.Programme.doc >>
> ><< Localisation2Inscription.doc >>
> 
> 
> Oops. Unfortunately, my software refuses to open these documents.
> 
> Would you be so kind to send them out again but this time just as
> regular plain ascii text?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Gerardo D?az
> 
> http://www.solar.org.ar
> 
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From Mueller at syr.edu  Wed Sep  8 21:53:54 2004
From: Mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Hammamet plenary - CS@WSIS
Message-ID: <s13f392e.060@gwia201.syr.edu>

Dear Marco:
Did anyone ever reply to this message of yours? 
--Milton Mueller

>>> marco@hipatia.info 7/2/2004 6:27:37 PM >>>
Transparency and democratic participation.

Transparencia y participaci?n democr?tica.

Transparence et participation d?mocratique.




From karenb at gn.apc.org  Fri Sep 10 08:52:39 2004
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS-B+10: Media and ICT Caucus Statement
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20040910084957.0639fb90@pop.gn.apc.org>

dear all,

A statement from the Beijing Plus 10 review in Bangkok (Asia-Pacific 
regional meeting) from the Media and ICT Caucus. Please note the references 
to WSIS.

I am afraid this statement is only available in english.

karen

>The following is a report from the Asia-Pacific Women's Watch onsite 
>report of teh B+10 Intergovernmental High Level Meeting organized by the 
>UN Economic and Social Commission of Asia Pacific. Daily reports from the 
>HLM will be available through the APWW-mailing list, and will also be made 
>available from the APNGO-Forum website at http://ap-ngo-forum.isiswomen.org
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Media and ICT Caucus Statement at the Asia-Pacific
>High-Level Meeting on Beijing + 10
>Bangkok, Thailand 7-10 September, 2004
>
>The Media and ICT Caucus wish to state from the outset our reaffirmation
>of the commitments of the BPFA and the Cairo Programme of Action, and
>their Plus 5 documents.
>
>The BPFA is a milestone document that acknowledged the need for greater
>recognition and relevant strategies by all stakeholders to accelerate the
>advancement of women through a diverse range of media forms in its Women
>and Media Section (Section J). It  further notes the under-representation
>of women in decision-making positions in the media and information and
>communication technologies (ICT), and the lack of gender sensitivity
>within media organizations.
>
>It also calls for the need to eliminate negative, degrading and
>stereotypical images of women in the media, in order to reflect the
>realities and diversities of women?s lives and contributions to society.
>
>Despite these Section J provisions, negative and stereotypical women?s
>images are still very common in the media. Women media practitioners are
>still denied the opportunities to advance to decision making positions
>within media organizations. Women continue to experience discrimination in
>various forms. The same pattern exists in the ICT spaces.
>
>Since 1995, media have become more and more commercialised and globalized.
>Most public service media have also started operating as commercial media
>enterprises.
>
>Another major development that has taken place after 1995 is the rapid
>growth of the new information and communication technologies. It has
>dramatically changed the ways by which media production and distribution
>take place. It has enabled women?s media, information and communication
>groups to advocate on critical issues such as the plight of women in armed
>conflict situations, the challenges they face in their conflict prevention
>and peacebuilding work, and the risks women human right defenders
>confront.
>
>The World Summit on the Information Society recognises the importance of
>new ICT in development. However, an equitable and inclusive ?Information
>Society? must be based on the principles of gender equality,
>non-discrimination and women's empowerment as contained in the Beijing
>Declaration and Platform for Action and the CEDAW Convention.
>
>We would like to draw the attention of delegates to the opportunities that
>community and independent media provides women that enable them to
>participate in media production and decision-making in the media. We also
>wish to underscore that women?s active involvement in the media ensures
>diversity and plurality of views and allows women?s and people?s
>organisations to promote the goals of gender equality.
>
>Community and independent media are therefore enabling and relevant
>mechanisms that can address emerging issues highlighted in this
>conference. They provide avenues for dialogue with civil society
>organisations as well as governments on development and other issues that
>impact on their lives. However, many governments in the Asia-Pacific
>region have yet to recognise the crucial role and the potentials of
>community and independent media.
>
>We therefore recommend that:
>
>?       Governments create more responsive regulatory frameworks to 
>support all
>forms of community and independent media, and in particular community
>broadcasting.
>?       Universal Access is ensured to all women and men, communities and
>nations to ensure the right to access and effectively use the information
>and knowledge they need to address their development concerns.
>?       Governance and ICT Policies must enable full and equal 
>participation of
>women. A gender perspective must be incorporated by all stakeholders
>involved in the process of planning, implementing, monitoring and
>evaluating national ICT plans and programs.
>?       Historical patterns of gender segregation in employment within the ICT
>sector be countered.
>?       All stakeholders promote the maintenance and growth of the common 
>wealth
>of human knowledge as a means of reducing global inequality and of
>providing the conditions for intellectual creativity and sustainable
>development.
>?       Policy and regulatory frameworks to address the use of the internet be
>developed inclusively and transparently with all stakeholders,
>particularly women, and be based on the international human rights
>framework encompassing rights related to privacy and confidentiality,
>freedom of expression and opinion and other related rights.
>
>
>Sharon Bhagwan Rolls on behalf of the Media and ICT Caucus
>
>World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters (AMARC)/Women?s
>International Network (WIN)
>Isis International-Manila
>FemLink Pacific
>Association for Progressive Communications (APC)
>Antenna Foundation Nepal
>Sancharika Samuha



From rsagun at takingitglobal.org  Fri Sep 10 09:51:47 2004
From: rsagun at takingitglobal.org (rsagun@takingitglobal.org)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Call for Comments: Draft YC Input to WGIG Sept Consultation
Message-ID: <273020-22004951085147333@M2W063.mail2web.com>

We deeply apologize if you are receiving this twice. 


==============Message==============

Dear All,

Please find our draft input to the upcoming WGIG consultation for your
review. We would be very grateful to receive and learn from your comments.
As of the moment, it is very unlikely that the Youth Caucus would be able
to send a representative to the WGIG meeting due to unavailability of
funding thus we would like to seek your support in terms of advancing our
final proposals, which we'll post to your list on the 13th. We request that
you send in your comments via facilitators@wsisyouth.org.

Thank you very much and we look forward to receiving your comments!

Best regards,

Titilayo Akinsanmi 
Global Facilitator, WSIS Youth Caucus 

Robert Sagun 
Policy Coordinator, WSIS Youth Caucus 

Luke Cholerton 
Communications Coordinator, WSIS Youth Caucus

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From karenb at gn.apc.org  Fri Sep 10 10:22:15 2004
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Call for Comments: Draft YC Input to
  WGIG Sept Consultation
In-Reply-To: <273020-22004951085147333@M2W063.mail2web.com>
References: <273020-22004951085147333@M2W063.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20040910102139.063abeb0@pop.gn.apc.org>

hi

There doesn't seem to be a draft attached to your message?

karen

>Dear All,
>
>Please find our draft input to the upcoming WGIG consultation for your
>review. We would be very grateful to receive and learn from your comments.
>As of the moment, it is very unlikely that the Youth Caucus would be able
>to send a representative to the WGIG meeting due to unavailability of
>funding thus we would like to seek your support in terms of advancing our
>final proposals, which we'll post to your list on the 13th. We request that
>you send in your comments via facilitators@wsisyouth.org.



From rsagun at takingitglobal.org  Fri Sep 10 10:32:43 2004
From: rsagun at takingitglobal.org (rsagun@takingitglobal.org)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Call for Comments: Draft YC Input toWGIG Sept Consultation
Message-ID: <239390-22004951093243307@M2W086.mail2web.com>

Sincerest apologies. Please find the attachment. Thank you for informing us.

WSIS Youth Caucus Facilitation Team

Original Message:
-----------------
From: karen banks karenb@gn.apc.org
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:22:15 +0100
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org, governance@lists.cpsr.org,
facilitators@wsisyouth.org
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Call for Comments: Draft YC Input toWGIG
Sept Consultation


hi

There doesn't seem to be a draft attached to your message?

karen

>Dear All,
>
>Please find our draft input to the upcoming WGIG consultation for your
>review. We would be very grateful to receive and learn from your comments.
>As of the moment, it is very unlikely that the Youth Caucus would be able
>to send a representative to the WGIG meeting due to unavailability of
>funding thus we would like to seek your support in terms of advancing our
>final proposals, which we'll post to your list on the 13th. We request that
>you send in your comments via facilitators@wsisyouth.org.


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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Fri Sep 10 15:33:38 2004
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] The Internet we want
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Il ven, 2004-09-10 alle 16:48, Taran Rampersad ha scritto:
> This concerns me. While understanding how the present system works is 
> important, it's more important - at least in my eyes - to 'toss' the 
> existing system and consider IG at different levels - then go back to 
> the present system and make recommendations.

I had a similar point in mind, that I would like to make - perhaps even
more to the plenary, than just to the IG caucus.

We have been spending the last weeks focusing on the establishment of
the WGIG - which kind of working group do we want to get, how should it
work, who could we suggest as civil society members, which issues we
want to be addressed. All this is important, but I fear we might be
forgetting the real issue: which kind of Internet do we want to build?

We do not have to start from zero - we have a great Civil Society
Declaration. However, we perhaps need to work on a simple set of
explicit and global principles - a sort of "Internet constitution"? -
and then devise a strategy to address those areas where they are
currently contradicted. 

So we should be sure that whoever represents civil society in the WGIG
does not simply respond to the agendas of other stakeholders or push for
his/her own pet theme, but acts collectively along a long term strategy
to reach fundamental objectives. 

Part of this strategy might imply focusing on the establishment of open
and inclusive standard processes to deal with any issue that might arise
from now on, rather than immediately pushing for this or that specific
issue to be solved.

There might even be strategic issues that not everyone sees now, but
that are very important for our future freedom (I, for example, see one
in the growing usage of self-updating applications that download updates
automatically through the Internet and self-modify on the user's PC,
often without proper information or authorization from him/her). We have
to ensure that we can put issues on the agenda, not just discuss those
important for the other stakeholders.
-- 
.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo vb.
Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu.org
(((f1tt3r h4pp1er))) @ http://tmp.bertola.eu.org/


From rms at gnu.org  Tue Sep  7 19:21:16 2004
From: rms at gnu.org (Richard Stallman)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Thinking about "intellectual property" is a mistake
Message-ID: <E1C4kai-0005BG-Jt@fencepost.gnu.org>

    Indications are that the WGIG will take a broad view of 
    Internet governance, and issues will include ICANN, Spam, information 
    and network security, privacy and other ICT rights issues, 
    intellectual property rights, and interconnection agreements to name 
    just a few.

To think about "an issue" labeled "intellectual property rights" is a
sure-fire recipe for unclear thinking about patent issues, about
copyright issues (completely different from patent issues), and about
trademark issues (different yet again).  If the working group uses
that terminology and the ideas it embodies, its recommendations will
be founded on confusion, and cannot be very good.

So I suggest that the first thing to be done is to urge that copyright
and patents be kept off the agenda of this group.

From cnd at knowprose.com  Fri Sep 10 15:48:08 2004
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [governance] Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Call for Comments: Draft YC
 Input toWGIG Sept Consultation
In-Reply-To: <239390-22004951093243307@M2W086.mail2web.com>
References: <239390-22004951093243307@M2W086.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <4141BEA8.5040201@knowprose.com>

rsagun@takingitglobal.org wrote:

>>Dear All,
>>
>>Please find our draft input to the upcoming WGIG consultation for your
>>review. We would be very grateful to receive and learn from your comments.
>>As of the moment, it is very unlikely that the Youth Caucus would be able
>>to send a representative to the WGIG meeting due to unavailability of
>>funding thus we would like to seek your support in terms of advancing our
>>final proposals, which we'll post to your list on the 13th. We request that
>>you send in your comments via facilitators@wsisyouth.org.
>>    
>>
This was an interesting draft (thanks for posting it, thanks to Karen 
for mentioning the attachment wasn't originally attached).

I have to make an observation at this point - we're expecting people 
with an understanding of Internet Governance, which is typically a good 
thing. But I offer that it is quite easy to get tangled up in how it 
'presently works' and defining the future IG based on decisions which 
are a synthesis of the existing system. While the existing system must 
be dealt with, I think it's important to understand that if the present 
system was working fine there would not be a WGIG.

This concerns me. While understanding how the present system works is 
important, it's more important - at least in my eyes - to 'toss' the 
existing system and consider IG at different levels - then go back to 
the present system and make recommendations.

But it's not my party - though it is to represent my concerns. So it 
*is* my party, it's *our* party. Which gets me to representation, which 
I shall comment on later.

-- 
Taran Rampersad

cnd@knowprose.com

http://www.knowprose.com
http://www.easylum.net
http://www.worldchanging.com
http://www.fsc.cc
http://www.a42.com


From bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de  Fri Sep 10 18:16:00 2004
From: bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Group of Friends of the Chair to be formed soon
Message-ID: <4141E150.DEC8FCD@zedat.fu-berlin.de>

News on our website that might be of interest to all. 
Download the Karklins document at http://www.worldsummit2005.org.

Ralf

----------------------------

Group of Friends of the Chair to be formed soon
Draft working structure published by PrepCom president Karklins

10 September 2004. At the WSIS stocktaking meeting in Geneva on 31
August, PrepCom president Janis Karklins distributed a document on the
composition and working approach of the ?Group of the Friends of the
Chair?. This group was decided to be set up by the PrepCom1 in Hammamet
in June. It will draft the political documents to be approved by the
heads of state and government at the summit in November 2005.
Worldsummit2005.org was able to get hold of this paper. We provide it
for the sake of transparency of the process, especially as there will
probably be representatives from civil society and the private sector in
this group.
Download the document rtf | html

From webmaster at nilebasin.com  Sat Sep 11 23:25:23 2004
From: webmaster at nilebasin.com (Nabil El-Khodari)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Call for Comments: Draft YC Input toWGIG Sept Consultation
In-Reply-To: <239390-22004951093243307@M2W086.mail2web.com>
References: <239390-22004951093243307@M2W086.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <gemini.i3weaa0011pwq034g.webmaster@nilebasin.com>

First, let me congratulate the Youth Cocus on an excellent draft. My concern
is whether the WGIG would ideally be administered by the same group. Let us
not forget that it is the 'relatively older' generation that have grown up
with the Internet since it was first made available to the public that
really uderstand what restrictions were imposed on the Internet by the major
players, particularly US government and corporations to 'control' that
technology. Experience and understanding of the issues of governance, let
alone formulating an acceptable mission statement which the draft did not
cover, is of vital importance. 

We should develop a philosophical statement illustrating how we feel the
Internet 'governance' should be. I am of the old school that the Internet
should not be 'governed' at all, except for developing international
protocols that make exchange of information between different platforms
possible and for allocation of IP addresses.

Again, thanks to the Youth Cocus for such an effort.

Sincerely,

Nabil El-Khodari
Founder/Treasurer
Nile Basin Society

From njenga at apc.org  Sat Sep 11 05:34:56 2004
From: njenga at apc.org (Emmanuel Njenga)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Africa civil society contributions draft (WGIG)
Message-ID: <41428070.2080605@apc.org>

Hello all,

just forwarding to you the Africa civil society caucus contributions to 
the establishment of the WGIG - draft work in progress.

we will send our contributions on monday.

Any comments welcome.

Regards,

Emmanuel Njenga

---------

Africa Civil Society Caucus Contribution To The Consultation Meeting On
The Establishment Of the Working Group On Internet Governance.


Draft 1.0
11th September 2004



a) General Points:


1.	The Working Group on Internet Governance (WGIG) must be independent 
of WSIS Preparatory Committee Meetings (PrepComs)

Africa civil society caucus supports this position taken by the WSIS
civil society caucus on Internet Governance.



Composition of the Working Group:


2.	Basic composition of the working group.

- The Africa civil society caucus supports that membership of the
working group must be balanced between participants from governments,
the private sector and civil society.


3.	The working group should be large enough that its members bring the 
required experience and diversity, but not so large as to slow the pace 
of work.

- In addition, regional representation and gender balance must be
central to its establishment. Particular attention should be paid to the
membership and effective participation of developing country experts,
representatives and stakeholders particularly from civil society groups
and must be accorded with high importance.


4.	The working group should not be a High Level Group, it should be
constituted at the working level.




Structure of the Working Group:


5.	Suggested basic structure

While noting the working group should respect gender diversity we
support the basic structure suggested by the WSIS caucus on Internet
governance. We would also like to emphasize the important of ensuring an
equal representation between developing countries and developed countries.



Basic operational principles


6.	Basic operational principles

While supporting the position taken by the WSIS civil society caucus on
Internet Governance, we also would like to add the following:

- Working group members shall consult their specific stakeholder groups
while negotiating main issues deliberated during the working group
meetings/sessions. (This could be achieved by manner of public meetings
or online discussion forums as may be agreed).

- There is a need for the broadest outreach mechanism possible: the
Internet Governance issues are of the more obscure (even) to the
(concerned) public and more especially in Africa. They are hardly
debated while drafting the national ICT policies although they impact on
and condition all policies. Thus, there is a need for awareness
actions/discussions by organizing a number of open and public
meetings/discussions as well as representing the WGIG in any related
meetings held by all concerned parties.

- The Africa civil society caucus, conscious of the possibility of the
use of the Internet against basic human rights, we believe that the WGIG
will operate on the basis of, and pay particular attention to the
promotion, proclamation, protection, and respect of human rights.

- Further we strongly reiterate the importance of accountability from
not only of working group as whole but more importantly to individual
members who will join the working group. These individuals must
demonstrate accountability to their constituents (especially civil
society representatives) through consultation processes or working
mechanisms as will be determined to deliberate on key issues deliberated.


7.	Chair of the working group

While supporting the position of the WSIS Caucus on Internet governance
we would like to add the following:

- Supporting the call that the chair of the WGIG should come from a
developing country, we further stress that such a chair should have
demonstrated sufficient awareness of the development challenges of
developing countries and not be appointed merely on the basis of
nationality or such tokenism.


8.	The Working Group on Internet Governance must be provided with
necessary resources

While supporting the position taken by the WSIS caucus on Internet
governance, we also add:

- Resources should also be allocated to allow for some form of public
meetings between regions depending on additional criteria of need
especially for civil society stakeholders (this could be further
discussed during the September meeting).

- Resources allocated should also take into account special
consideration of developing countries of Africa where there is limited
knowledge and expertise to do with matter of Internet governance and as
such public meetings to discuss various issues should be supported to
ensure active and effective participation of Africa stakeholders in and
their contribution to the working group.

- We emphasize the need for adequate resources allowing an inclusive
process, namely participation from the Africa Civil Society, and beyond,
that of the Less Developed Countries' government.

- In the case where certain aspects of Internet Governance may need
regional ramifications, we suggest that support be ensured for such
regional Internet Governance consultations as long as they will feed in
and enrich the global Internet Governance process and contribute to
regional information society development.

- Support mechanisms must be put in place to ensure that membership of
the working group is facillitated to attend all relevant meetings. This
is particularly important for civil society groups (especially those
from global south) who have no constant funds source to enable their
continued participation to the relevant meetings.

- The support mechanisms must not only cover specific meetings related
to the working group on internet governance but also meetings of high
relevance related to internet governance issues such as the ICANN
meetings, the WSIS prepcoms meetings prior to Tunis Summit and any other
as will be defined. (This can be discussed further at the consultation
meeting in Sep 20/21).







(b) The scope of the Group's work and its method of operations

(c) The adequacy of existing international arrangements in facilitating
deployment and use of the Internet in a transparent and accountable manner

- The scope of the WGIG?s work should include a review of all existing
international arrangements in the deployment and use of the Internet to
determine their transparency, legitimacy and accountability and
revisions be made as necessary.

- In the light of the above, the WG should aim at elaborating standards
that will respect all development stages and ensure that any new
standards will not act as an obstacle to the development of countries,
be it ICT or otherwise.

(d) The respective roles of governments, the private sector, academic
and technical experts and civil society

(e) Any barriers to participation by developing countries in the
Internet governance framework.


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From gerardodiaz at hotmail.com  Sat Sep 11 06:15:10 2004
From: gerardodiaz at hotmail.com (Gerardo B Diaz)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:57 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Call for Comments: Draft YC Input toWGIG Sept Consultation
Message-ID: <BAY22-F6mSNgFceTLvO00042aeb@hotmail.com>

>From: "rsagun@takingitglobal.org" <rsagun@takingitglobal.org>
>Reply-To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>To: plenary@wsis-cs.org, governance@lists.cpsr.org
>Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Call for Comments: Draft YC Input toWGIG 
>Sept Consultation
>Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:32:43 -0400
>
>Sincerest apologies. Please find the attachment. Thank you for informing 
>us.

Don't you worry, but...

>WSIS Youth Caucus Facilitation Team
                                ^^^^^^^^^^
><< DraftYCInputtoWGIGSeptConsultationVer1.1.doc >>
                                                                    ^^^^

...would you please send the document as regular text? I can't open the file
you sent. Excuse me for bothering you with this issue

TIA,
Gerardo Díaz

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From rsagun at takingitglobal.org  Sat Sep 11 15:11:24 2004
From: rsagun at takingitglobal.org (rsagun@takingitglobal.org)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Call for Comments: Draft YC Input to WGIG Sept Consultation
Message-ID: <219990-220049611141124897@M2W085.mail2web.com>

Dear All,

Thank you very much to those who have taken time to review and send in
their initial  comments to the WSIS Youth Caucus' draft contribution to the
upcoming WGIG open consultation. We likewise encourage others to comment on
our draft and forward them at facilitators@wsisyouth.org on or before 12
September 2004. Please feel free to circulate this post to other lists as
well.

However, we have been receiving posts that some people are unable to open
the file we attached to our first call. We are very sorry for this.
Appended below is the draft. 

We likewise invite young people from your lists to subscribe to the WSIS
Youth Caucus' mailinglist by sending a blank message at
wsisyouth-subscribe@groups.takingitglobal.org. The Youth Caucus is heavily
preparing towards WSIS Tunis 2005 and, on this regard, we are sending out
to call to all WSIS caucuses/working groups/stakeholders for partnerships
and project collaborations at the global, regional and national levels.
Please fell free to contact the Facilitation Team on this matter at
facilitators@wsisyouth.org. 

Initially, the WSIS Youth Caucus will be setting up an "Issues Working
Group" that will write articles and policy papers detailing the stand of
the Youth Caucus on relevant issues around WSIS Phase II (ie. Internet
governance, financial mechanisms, e-governance, "spam", information and
network security, freedom of expression in an Information Society, etc).
Thus, we are calling upon individuals/groups with expertise/experience on
these issues from your lists to serve as volunteer
advisers/readers/contributors/ to the IWG of the WSIS Youth Caucus.

Thank you very much and keep sending us your comments and inquiries! Watch
out for the launching of the WSIS Youth Caucus website... really soon!

Best regards,

Robert Sagun
Policy Coordinator, WSIS Youth Caucus

Noted by:

Titilayo Akinsanmi
Global Facilitator, WSIS Youth Caucus

Luke Cholerton-Bozier
Communications Facilitator, WSIS Youth Caucus



======== Draft YC Input to the WGIG Sept Consultations =========


13 September 2004

Markus Kummer
Executive Coordinator
Secretariat of the UN Working Group on the Internet Governance 
Geneva, Switzerland

Dear Mr. Kummer,

On behalf of the entire membership of the WSIS Youth Caucus, we are very
pleased to transmit to your office our collective contribution to the
establishment of the Working Group on Internet Governance for your review
and consideration.

This input is the result of an intensive e-consultation participated by
hundreds of Youth Caucus members from around the globe. It has likewise
been transmitted to the mailing lists of the WSIS Civil Society Plenary and
Internet Governance Caucus for additional comments

We will highly appreciate receiving a brief feedback from you on our
recommendations as well as request for your support to have young people
included as members of the WGIG. Please send correspondence at
facilitators@wsisyouth.org. 

Thank you very much.

In partnership,

Robert Sagun
WSIS Youth Caucus Policy Coordinator
Email: rsagun@wsisyouth.org 


Noted by:

Titilayo Akinsanmi
WSIS Youth Caucus Global Facilitator
Email: takinsanmi@wsisyouth.org 

Luke Cholerton-Bozier
WSIS Youth Caucus Communications Coordinator
Email: lcholerton@wsisyouth.org 


The Youth Caucus of the UN World Summit on the Information Society
Geneva 2003 - Tunis 2005
www.wsisyouth.org


Contribution to the Establishment of the
Working Group on Internet Governance (WGIG)
First Open Consultation Meeting, 20-21 September 004, Geneva, Switzerland

Draft Version 1.1
10 September 2004


		?We are committed to realizing our common vision of the Information
Society for ourselves and for future generations. We recognize that young
people are the future workforce and leading creators and earliest adopters
of ICTs. They must therefore be empowered as learners, developers,
contributors, entrepreneurs and decision-makers. We must focus especially
on young people who have not yet been able to benefit fully from the
opportunities provided by ICTs. We are also committed to ensuring that the
development of ICT applications and operation of services respects the
rights of children as well as their protection and well-being.?

Youth Paragraph (para. 11) of the 
WSIS Declaration of Principles

I. Introduction

1 At present, over 3 billion individuals or just over 50 per cent of the
world?s population are children or youth.  In terms of youth alone, there
are 1.3 billion young people aged between 15 and 24, according to the 2003
UN World Youth Report. If there was ever an area where young people are the
leaders not only of the future, but also of today, it is the emerging
Information Society. From web development to information access, youth are
growing up with the latest technologies - and extending them, providing
innovative solutions to global challenges. Youth are creators and consumers
of technologies ranging from mobile telephones to email, to instant
messaging, radio, print media and television. As both business and social
entrepreneurs, young people are creatively using technology to address
community needs. 

2 Young people are central to the evolution of a ?people-centered,
inclusive and development-oriented? Information Society. They are heavily
represented in almost every category of Information Society from the
development of software products, establishment of technology
infrastructure and creation of Internet communities. 

3 With the introduction of the Internet, youth have acquired a powerful new
tool to connect and communicate. Today, young people constitute the largest
percentage of those online: they go online more than anyone else, they stay
online longer, and they have more diverse online activities. Yet, youth are
rarely given the opportunity to be engaged in Information and
Communications Technology (ICT) policy development. If the WSIS is to
effect real change, it must involve youth in program/project implementation
as well as in the broader context of youth participation and
multi-stakeholder consultation in ICT decision-making such as Internet
Governance and national e-strategies.

4 Like other stakeholder groups, youth are organized within a Caucus. The
WSIS Youth Caucus, formed on the occasion of the 1st WSIS Preparatory
Committee Meeting in July 2002, is acting as an umbrella for all young
people and youth non-government organizations (NGOs) interested and/or
involved in the WSIS process and ICT policy formulation. The WSIS Youth
Caucus aims to mainstream youth perspectives into civil society, the
private sector and government inputs throughout the WSIS process.

5 Youth were also one of the most organized and successful stakeholder
groupings in the first phase of the WSIS process - participating and
speaking at meetings, publishing a regular newsletter, running an award
program, conducting significant national-level outreach, and much more.
Clearly, if it is to achieve its ambitious goals, the WSIS now must
continue to actively engage young people, the pathbreakers of the ICT
revolution. 


II. Basic Principles of Structure

6. As put forward by the WSIS Civil Society Declaration, global governance
frameworks ?must reflect the diverse views and interests of the
international community as a whole?. It further states  that
?decision-making processes must be based on such values as inclusive
participation, transparency and democratic accountability.?

7 The WGIG must have a multi-stakeholder, multi-disciplinary membership and
conduct an inclusive consultation process. As succinctly stated in the WSIS
Declaration of Principles and Plan of Action, it should be ?an open and
inclusive process that ensures a mechanism for the full and active
participation of governments, the private sector and civil society from
both developing and developed countries, involving relevant
intergovernmental and international organizations and forums
? Its
multi-actor character will broaden the ownership of its outcomes and
consultation process and provide a multi-dimensional approach to the
debates and discussions. Regional representation and gender balance must be
central to its establishment. Particular attention to its membership is the
effective participation of developing country experts, sectoral
representatives and stakeholders. Their participation must be accorded with
high importance and travel support.

8 Its operations must be independent of the WSIS process. Though the basis
of creating the WGIG is based on negotiated WSIS documents, it should be
functioning with full independence from, yet contributing to, the WSIS
process. The WGIG and its consultation process should be structured
separate from the WSIS Tunis Phase?s intergovernmental political debates.

9 The WGIG must conduct its work with utmost objectivity, clear direction
and rationality. It must encourage academic, well-researched stakeholder
inputs aside from organizing and programming activities that are factual
and impartial.  Among the relevant Internet Governance issues that should
be of high priority, and which are important to and for young people, are
the increasing number of unsolicited commercial/bulk email or ?spam?,
information and network security vis-?-vis cybercrime and consumer safety,
protection of personal privacy and other rights, Internet telephony or
Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP), and proliferation of illicit websites.

10 It must be accountable and transparent at all times. The WGIG should
conduct its activities and consultations in an accessible and widely open
and transparent process. Its reports, as well as background documents and
stakeholder contributions, must be uploaded to a devoted, broadly
broadcasted website. The WGIG website must be updated at the most regular,
yet economical manner with documents accessible to the public, easily
downloadable and archived.


III. Scope of Work

11 In programming the WGIG?s scope of work and operational strategies, its
reporting deadlines and membership expertise should be taken into account.
The WGIG, at the very least, should be made responsible of the following
tasks:

Crafting a working definition of ?Internet Governance? agreeable to all.
Identifying and prioritizing the relevant, most pressing Internet
Governance issues through an open, inclusive and multi-stakeholder
consultation process.
Researching, collecting and critically analyzing pertinent data and
information based on the Internet governance issues identified. Make use of
available literature from recently held Internet Governance fora
(including, but not limited to, the UN ICT Task Force Meeting and ITU
Workshops on Countering Spam and Internet Governance) and, if need be,
commission independent papers.
Learning both the successes and failures of past global governance efforts,
for example the World Trade Organization on global economic governance.
Based on the results of literature reviews and broad-based consultations,
recommend options, solutions, framework for action and, if need be,
institutional reforms as it relates to Internet Governance.
The Secretariat and its members must be ready to brief stakeholders and
report to interested parties.
Clearly defining appropriate roles for major stakeholder blocks
(Government, private sector, civil society and international organizations).
Consciously encouraging each stakeholder to actively contribute inputs and
gather support on the WGIG.
Provide travel support for WGIG members originating from developing and
least developed countries and representing marginalized, less heard
groupings such as indigenous peoples, disabled peoples, youth and women.


IV. General Structure		

12 The WGIG should be multi-stakeholder with members representative of
Governments, private sector, civil society and international organizations.
Marginalized sectors such as youth and women should be given opportunity to
contribute to the debates as working group members. Developing countries,
as well as developed nations, should be equally represented. Regional
representation and gender balance must be highly equated in the selection
process. Consumers/users and providers/developers of Internet services and
applications, most of which are essentially young people, must likewise be
represented. 

13 The size of the membership of WGIG is critical. It must be reasonably
representative and supportive of the structural issues enumerated above yet
its total membership must neither be too small nor too large that will
negatively impact on its work given the limited time available.

14 Aside from having core members from the major stakeholders already
listed above, the WGIG should have an external support group, assisting its
core members in preparing the report(s) and organizing stakeholder
dialogues, composed of experts on the policy, legal, economic, social and
technical aspects of Internet Governance as well as on related issues such
as, among others, ICT for Development, multi-stakeholder diplomacy and
partnerships, human rights, consumer protection and global policy processes.

15 The WGIG must have a Government representative, preferably from a
developing country, as Over-All Chair, and Private Sector and Civil Society
representatives acting as Co-Chairs. The Co-Chairs could later be appointed
to coordinate the work of Sub-Thematic Committees based on collectively
agreed Internet Governance themes.

16 All the members of WGIG must have credible expertise and experience in
the following fields:

Policy and Governance
Technical and Academic
Internet and ICT development, including operations and applications
Social development work
ICT for Development 
Multi-stakeholder diplomacy and partnerships
Human rights, education and gender advocacy, especially in an Information
Society environment
Consumer protection and safety
UN global processes and/or international, multi-cultural working
environments
Fluency in any major UN language
Effective communication, both written and verbal

17 Further, the members must ensure they are able to contribute ample time
needed bythe work as well as widely communicate, by means of participating
in e-consultations and panel presentations, to stakeholders developments in
the work of the WGIG.

18 As most young people would not have wide expertise and strong experience
in some of the fields enumerated above compared to their adult
counterparts, the more that their participation as working group members
must be accorded with high consideration to build their full capacity and
knowledge and to empower them as stakeholders of and contributors to
Internet Governance. As youth, by definition is a transitory demographic,
providing them an opportunity to gain experience and networks today will
provide continuity and diversity to the Internet Governance debate in the
future: a key mechanism to enhance inter-generational equity.

19 Selection of the WGIG members must be made transparent and based on core
competencies, with criteria for selection widely consulted and reasons for
selection made public.


V. Mode of Operations

20 Aside from having closed-door meetings, the WGIG must ensure it utilizes
open consultations, both online and physical, to harness the knowledge and
expertise of a wider range of interested parties. Taking into account cost
considerations, the WGIG must work to organize regional, sub-regional,
thematic and sectoral meetings and consultations. The WGIG Secretariat
should enter into partnerships with relevant groups in organizing these
meetings.

21 To support its information dissemination activities, the WGIG could set
up an email notification/alert system within its website to inform
subscribed stakeholders of latest news and developments. The website must
also be developed as a repository of knowledge and databank on Internet
Governance and its sub-themes.

22 The WGIG must ensure real-time translation of meeting plenaries and
debates in major UN languages to ensure meaningful participation of members
and stakeholders. Official meeting documents such as background papers and
reports should be translated in the same manner. Stakeholder contributions,
regardless of language used, should be accepted, uploaded and likewise be
translated, whenever possible.


VI. Conclusion

23 With these recommendations and proposals, the entire membership of the
WSIS Youth Caucus stands ready to assist, provide input and actively
participate in the consultation process of the WGIG. The WSIS Youth Caucus
will be forwarding names of young people, taking into account gender
balance and development dichotomies, who are best suited and well qualified
to represent the youth of the world and have the relevant expertise on the
Internet Governance debate.













 



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From bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de  Sat Sep 11 22:51:22 2004
From: bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] more on WSIS stocktaking
Message-ID: <4143735A.D531A5B0@zedat.fu-berlin.de>

Hi all,

I was able to gather some info on the August 31st meeting from
not-to-be-disclosed sources. Here you go:

What is the state of the information society?
WSIS-Stocktaking process launched in Geneva

11 September 2004. The first phase of the world summit on the
information society focused on the underlying values and principles.
Though by far not perfect and therefore criticised by civil society
groups, the summit declaration and action plan set a number of goals.
Some of them even got deadlines, like connecting every school in the
world with ICTs by 2015. But how can these objectives be met? And what
is the current state of the information society? And what is already
going on everywhere that might help or hinder going in the agreed
directions? An informal WSIS meeting in Geneva last week tried to
provide some answers. The WSIS secretariat is seeking further input
until 14 September. More...  

Full article with links on http://www.worldsummit2005.org

Best, Ralf


From magaly at greatvideo.com  Sun Sep 12 02:05:29 2004
From: magaly at greatvideo.com (magaly pazello)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: FOSS - NY - BR - UN!!!
In-Reply-To: <797629EE-0457-11D9-B9CC-000A95B172C6@greatvideo.com>
References: <797629EE-0457-11D9-B9CC-000A95B172C6@greatvideo.com>
Message-ID: <D6BBBD28-0457-11D9-B9CC-000A95B172C6@greatvideo.com>

Ah! It is the same creative commons iniciative/concert:

http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/4370

I'm sorry if someone had send this information before :-)

Magaly

On 11/09/2004, at 22:02, magaly pazello wrote:

> Hello!
> (sorry for the crossposting)
> This is something interesting to share, I'm not sure if people will do 
> it but...
>
> A brazilian newspaper published the news below today, in a free 
> version of english, I hope everybody can undrestanding:
>
> * Gilberto Gil, Minister of Culture of Brazil, and David Byrne will do 
> a concert in NY to support free software during the period that 
> President Lula will be in he city for UNGASS. Minister Gilberto Gil 
> have been invited Lula and it seems that he had accepted it. *
>
>
> Magaly Pazello
> ____________
> DAWN Network
> celebrates its 20th Anniversary!
>
>


From magaly at greatvideo.com  Sun Sep 12 02:02:53 2004
From: magaly at greatvideo.com (magaly pazello)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] FOSS - NY - BR - UN!!!
Message-ID: <797629EE-0457-11D9-B9CC-000A95B172C6@greatvideo.com>

Hello!
(sorry for the crossposting)
This is something interesting to share, I'm not sure if people will do 
it but...

A brazilian newspaper published the news below today, in a free version 
of english, I hope everybody can undrestanding:

* Gilberto Gil, Minister of Culture of Brazil, and David Byrne will do 
a concert in NY to support free software during the period that 
President Lula will be in he city for UNGASS. Minister Gilberto Gil 
have been invited Lula and it seems that he had accepted it. *


Magaly Pazello
____________
DAWN Network
celebrates its 20th Anniversary!



From ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es  Sun Sep 12 03:42:57 2004
From: ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lady=20Murrugarra?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] FYI:_Software_y_la_tecnología_en_general,_deben_ser_libres_y_de_uso_colectivo...
In-Reply-To: <003e01c4981e$2eb262e0$2b1911ac@upch.edu.pe>
Message-ID: <20040912024257.56639.qmail@web11803.mail.yahoo.com>



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From mueller at syr.edu  Sun Sep 12 15:31:28 2004
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Thinking about "intellectual property"
	is a mistake
Message-ID: <s144259b.042@gwia201.syr.edu>

What I see here are a series of assertions, and I cannot
understand the logic linking them.

First, it is common in law to link copyright, patents and trademark
as families of related areas of law. Many practitioners span
all three fields, many legal conferences cover all three. To say that
patent issues are "completely different" from copyright is just 
wrong - both involve a commitment to make valuable information
public in exchange for limited terms of protection. Copyright
protects only the particular expression, patent protects the idea.
That is an important difference with significant governance
consequences, but it is a variation on a theme, not a "complete 
difference." Same goes for trademark.

But what I cannot understand at all is the leap to conclude
that since these things are different they should be "kept off
the agenda" of the WGIG. There is more internet governance
activity around issues of intellectual property (especially 
copyright and trademark) than perhaps any other issue area.
KaZaa, circumvention of copy protection, TRIPS, the WIPO 
Internet broadcasting activity, ICANN and domain name-trademark 
conflicts, all these are critical and live areas of internet governance.

Perhaps this person did not express his ideas well. I cannot
make any sense of his assertions.

>>> rms@gnu.org 09/07/04 2:21 PM >>>
    Indications are that the WGIG will take a broad view of 
    Internet governance, and issues will include ICANN, Spam,
information 
    and network security, privacy and other ICT rights issues, 
    intellectual property rights, and interconnection agreements to name

    just a few.

To think about "an issue" labeled "intellectual property rights" is a
sure-fire recipe for unclear thinking about patent issues, about
copyright issues (completely different from patent issues), and about
trademark issues (different yet again).  If the working group uses
that terminology and the ideas it embodies, its recommendations will
be founded on confusion, and cannot be very good.

So I suggest that the first thing to be done is to urge that copyright
and patents be kept off the agenda of this group.
_______________________________________________
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From mueller at syr.edu  Sun Sep 12 16:15:22 2004
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] NCUC list of recommended CS names for WGIG
Message-ID: <s1442fe9.054@gwia201.syr.edu>

Dear colleagues:
Here is the NCUC's nominees for civil society representatives to the 
UN Working Group on Internet Governance. We have
deliberately balanced the recommendations by region, and by 
technical and policy expertise, yielding a list of 11 names, 2 for
each region and one global nominee. We understand that WSIS-CS
is involved in its own processes, and forward these names for your
information only, noting however that broad agreement on a small
number of names by various sectors of civil society, if it can be 
achieved, will be beneficial. For more information about NCUC, see
http://www.ncdnhc.org 

================================================
LIST OF RECOMMENDED CIVIL SOCIETY REPRESENTATIVES
FOR THE WORKING GROUP ON INTERNET GOVERNANCE.
Noncommercial Users Constituency (NCUC)

Global:  Karen Banks, Association for Progressive Communications

Africa
  Technical: Adiel Akplogan, (Togo) Director, AfriNIC
   Policy: Olivier Nana Nzepa, Professor, Institut Superieur Management Public * Yaounde (Cameroon)

Asia-Pacific
   Technical: Paul Wilson, Director, APNIC (Australia)
   Policy: Eung Hwi Chun, Peacenet (So. Korea)

Europe
   Technical: Vittorio Bertola, Chair, ICANN At Large Advisory Committee (Italy)
   Policy: Marco Cappato, EP, Radical Party, (Italy)

Latin America
   Technical: Raul Echeberria, Director, LACNIC, (Uruguay)
   Policy: Carlos Afonso, RITS (Brazil)

North America
   Technical: Karl Auerbach, former elected ICANN Board member (USA)
   Policy: Susan Crawford, Law Professor, Cardozo, Center for Democracy and Technology fellow (USA)



From veni at veni.com  Sun Sep 12 17:09:27 2004
From: veni at veni.com (veni markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] NCUC list of recommended CS names for
  WGIG
In-Reply-To: <s1442fe9.054@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s1442fe9.054@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040912190002.03073450@198.111.183.129>

Dear all,
While I really appreciate all proposed candidates, and I think they will do 
a great job, I'd like to draw the attention of all colleagues and caucuses 
who have NOT yet nominated people, that it's important to have also equal 
representation of the North and the South.

In what Milton has sent, there are 4 people from the South (or 3, 
depending) and 7 (8) from the North. And noone from least developed countries.

While I know it's probably difficult to come with names from those 
countries, I feel it's vital for the process in which we're involved to 
have representatives from those countries.

Best,
Veni

At 11:15 12-09-2004 -0400, Milton Mueller wrote:
>Dear colleagues:
>Here is the NCUC's nominees for civil society representatives to the
>UN Working Group on Internet Governance. We have
>deliberately balanced the recommendations by region, and by
>technical and policy expertise, yielding a list of 11 names, 2 for
>each region and one global nominee. We understand that WSIS-CS
>is involved in its own processes, and forward these names for your
>information only, noting however that broad agreement on a small
>number of names by various sectors of civil society, if it can be
>achieved, will be beneficial. For more information about NCUC, see
>http://www.ncdnhc.org


From herve at info.unicaen.fr  Sun Sep 12 17:04:52 2004
From: herve at info.unicaen.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Herv=E9_Le_Crosnier?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the scope of WGIG (re to Milton Mueller)
Message-ID: <414473A4.3010003@info.unicaen.fr>

[french at the end --- en fran?ais ? la fin du messge -- d?sol?, je 
n'?cris pas assez bien l'espagnol, et je n'ai aucune confiance dans la 
traduction par machine.... -- sory i don't write spanish and i'm
not confident with machine translation]


	Hello,

	Last two mails from Milton Mueller give two
	contradictory ways for defining the role of WGIG.

	- in the first he oppose Richard Stallman who want
	  to keep intellectual property question out of the WGIG
	  responsability, attending, in Mueller opinion
	  that "There is more internet governance
	  activity around issues of intellectual property (especially
	  copyright and trademark) than perhaps any other issue area."

	- in the second one, anwering Bertrand de la Chapelle,
	  he want to take out of the WGIG the question of
	  privacy in mobile communication because it's not part
	  of the usage of internet.

	We have to be very clear over oour conception of the boundaries
	of the WGIG.

	As almost everything in communication, entertainment, knowledge,
	culture, medicine... is moving into digital and spread all over
	the world using more or less IP protocols suite, any WGIG can
	easily encompass all problems, through expertise of those who
	know about the internal processe of the internet. This will
	cut off the ability of civil society to have different
	expertise and differents conflicts and differents leaders
	in differents areas.

	As the Human Right caucus try to show us, some parts of the
	WSIS declaration (during the elaboration phase, hopefully,
	we succeed for most of the problems) are jeopardizing the
	whole corpus of Human Rights, as partial interpretations
	through the IS lenses can have profound negative impact
	over others other actions in the world to defend and extend
	Human rights.

	The same process can exist if we let too broad a scope
	to the WGIG.

	I believe that the WGIG, and Internet Governance at large
	is about "the ancilary problems" of the interconnection.
	It's infrastructure gestion, through naming, protocols,
	interoperability,...

	All other problems (like IP rights on one hand, but also
	protocols issues which have the IETF in charge of on the
	other hand) have to be treated elsewhere (i agree with
	Richard Stallman). (If you want to know more about those
	who are actually acting to change WIPO
	for the IP rights to fully enter the internet age, have
	a look at the James Boyle manifesto :
http://www.law.duke.edu/journals/dltr/articles/2004dltr0009.html )

	But we, as civil society, have to be sure that not a decision
	of WSIS (neither of WGIG) are jeopardizing the efforts of
	IP activists, who encompass also other domains that the
	one we are working on (such as generic medicines, seed,...).

	That's the great force of Civil society in this process :
	we are connected with others activists, experts, thinkers
	in all other fields of the global world recomposition
	which is processing in front of us now.

	And so it is in the "governance" debate : WGIG is one part
	of the whole process, which have to take care of
	other parts (we have to oppose any decision there who will
	have profound consequences in others parts of the information
	society organsization).

	It means that i agree with Bertrand de la Chapelle :
	phone communication is outside the scope of WGIG,
	but we have to take care that a decision with a tunnel
	vision too focused on the internet not to have side effects.
	And the retention of information, globally, with any media in
	mind,  is clearly  such a problem.

Herv? Le Crosnier


-------------------------------------------------


	Bonjour,

	Les deux derniers mails de Milton Mueller proposent deux
	visions contradictoires du r?le du WGIG :

	- dans le premier, il s'oppose ? Richard Stallman qui souhaite
	  que les questions de propri?t? intellectuelle restent en
	  dehors du cadre du WGIG car il consid?re : "There is more
	  internet governance activity around issues of intellectual
	  property (especially copyright and trademark) than perhaps
	  any other issue area."

	- dans le second, en r?pondant ? Bertrand de la Chapelle, il
	  dit souhaiter garder la question des t?l?phones mobiles en
	  dehors du cadre du WGIG parce qu'il ne s'agit pas d'un usage
	  de l'internet.

	Nous devons rester clairs quant aux fronti?res de ce que
	peut faire le WGIG.

	Alors que toutes les activit?s de comunication, de loisir, de
	connaissance, de m?decine... sont en train de basculer vers le
	num?rique et les r?seaux, le WGIG voudrait certainement couvrir
	tout ces domaines, mais au travers des lentilles des
	sp?cialistes du fonctionnement interne de l'internet. Cela
	priverait la soci?t? civile de sa capacit? ? avoir diff?rents
	terrains, diff?rents conflits, diff?rents leaders dans les
	divers domaines d'activit?.

	Le caucus des Droits de l'Homme a tent? de nous montrer durant
	la premi?re phase du SMSI que des d?cision intempestives prises
	dans cette ar?ne pouvaient avoir des cons?quences globales sur
	toute l'architecture des Droits de l'Homme, mettant en danger
	des decennies de combat (heureusement, le caucus a r?ussi ?
	bloquer les d?cisions les pires).

	Le m?me risque existe si nous accordons des missions trop
	importantes au WGIG.

	Je crois que le WGIG, et la "gouvernance de l'internet" en
	g?n?ral doit se focaliser sur les "probl?mes ancillaires" du
	r?seau : il s'agit de gestion de l'infrastructure, au travers du
	 nommage, de l'inerconnewion, de l'interop?rabilit?...

	Tous les autres probl?mes (comme les Droits de Propri?t?
	intellectuelle d'un c?t?, mais aussi les questions de
	protocoles, qui sont d'ores et d?j? g?r?es par l'IETF) doivent
	?tre l'enjeu d'instances s?par?es (je partage de ce point de
	vue les positions de Richard Stallman). Pour en savoir plus sur
	la facon dont les activistes concern?s principalement par les
	Droits de propri?t? intellectuelle imaginent le r?le de l'OMPI
	dans le cadre de la soci?t? de l'information, regarder le
	manifeste de James Boyle :
http://www.law.duke.edu/journals/dltr/articles/2004dltr0009.html

	Ce qui nous concerne, c'est de nous assurer qu'aucune d?cision
	prise au SMSI, ou dans le WGIG, ne mette en danger les combats
	ou les valeurs des activistes qui ont sur chacun de ces sujets
	des visions plus larges que notre lentille internet. (par
	exemple les activistes de la propri?t? intellectuelle qui
	int?grent aussi les questions des m?dicaments g?n?riques ou
	des semences)

	C'est toute la force de la soci?t? civile dans ce processus :
	nous sommes interconnect?s avec les activistes, les experts, les
	penseurs des autres domaines qui agissent au sein de la
	recomposition globale du monde qui s'effectue sous nos yeux.

	Il en va de m?me de la question de la gouvernance ? l'int?rieur
	de tout le processus du SMSI. Ce n'est qu'une partie, pour
	laquelle nous devons tenir compte des autres domaines, et nous
	assurer qu'aucune d?cision ne puisse ?tre prise l? qui ait des
	effets n?gatifs sur d'autres secteurs de la soci?t? civile.

	Cela veut dire aussi que je partage la question de Bertrand de
	la Chapelle : certes, la t?l?phonie mobile n'est pas du ressort
	du WGIG, mais nous devons faire atention ? ce qu'aucune d?cision
	prise avec une vision-tunnel trop focalis?e sur l'internet ne
	puisse avoir des effets n?gatifs sur d'autres secteurs. Et la
	"r?tention d'information", avec n'importe quel m?dia en t?te,
	est clairement l'un de ces probl?mes.


Herv? Le Crosnier


From esther.joly at club-internet.fr  Sun Sep 12 17:53:27 2004
From: esther.joly at club-internet.fr (Esther Joly)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] NCUC list of recommended CS names for WGIG
In-Reply-To: <s1442fe9.054@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <BD6A4BA7.16793%esther.joly@club-internet.fr>

Europe... Two persons of the same country????

We have to find an other member for the Europe region.

Esther from France

> De?: "Milton Mueller" <mueller@syr.edu>
> R?pondre ??: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Date?: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:15:22 -0400
> ??: <governance@lists.cpsr.org>
> Cc?: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> Objet?: [WSIS CS-Plenary] NCUC list of recommended CS names for WGIG
> 
> Dear colleagues:
> Here is the NCUC's nominees for civil society representatives to the
> UN Working Group on Internet Governance. We have
> deliberately balanced the recommendations by region, and by
> technical and policy expertise, yielding a list of 11 names, 2 for
> each region and one global nominee. We understand that WSIS-CS
> is involved in its own processes, and forward these names for your
> information only, noting however that broad agreement on a small
> number of names by various sectors of civil society, if it can be
> achieved, will be beneficial. For more information about NCUC, see
> http://www.ncdnhc.org
> 
> ================================================
> LIST OF RECOMMENDED CIVIL SOCIETY REPRESENTATIVES
> FOR THE WORKING GROUP ON INTERNET GOVERNANCE.
> Noncommercial Users Constituency (NCUC)
> 
> Global:  Karen Banks, Association for Progressive Communications
> 
> Africa
> Technical: Adiel Akplogan, (Togo) Director, AfriNIC
>  Policy: Olivier Nana Nzepa, Professor, Institut Superieur Management Public *
> Yaounde (Cameroon)
> 
> Asia-Pacific
>  Technical: Paul Wilson, Director, APNIC (Australia)
>  Policy: Eung Hwi Chun, Peacenet (So. Korea)
> 
> Europe
>  Technical: Vittorio Bertola, Chair, ICANN At Large Advisory Committee (Italy)
>  Policy: Marco Cappato, EP, Radical Party, (Italy)
> 
> Latin America
>  Technical: Raul Echeberria, Director, LACNIC, (Uruguay)
>  Policy: Carlos Afonso, RITS (Brazil)
> 
> North America
>  Technical: Karl Auerbach, former elected ICANN Board member (USA)
>  Policy: Susan Crawford, Law Professor, Cardozo, Center for Democracy and
> Technology fellow (USA)
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 


From mueller at syr.edu  Sun Sep 12 21:22:29 2004
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [governance] About the scope of WGIG (re to Milton
 Mueller)
Message-ID: <s14477e7.096@gwia201.syr.edu>

>>> Herv? Le Crosnier <herve@info.unicaen.fr> 09/12/04 12:04 PM >>>

>Last two mails from Milton Mueller give two
>contradictory ways for defining the role of WGIG.

I am very surprised by this. 
Perhaps you did not interpret my answers correctly.

>- in the first he oppose Richard Stallman who want
>  to keep intellectual property question out of the WGIG
>  responsability, attending, in Mueller opinion
>  that "There is more internet governance
>  activity around issues of intellectual property (especially
>  copyright and trademark) than perhaps any other issue area."

This is true. Moreover, IPR is part of Internet governance
whether we want it to be or not. If the WGIG does not deal
with it, then you leave the status quo in place. Do you support
IPR as it is now? 

>- in the second one, anwering Bertrand de la Chapelle,
>  he want to take out of the WGIG the question of
>  privacy in mobile communication because it's not part
>  of the usage of internet.

There is no contradiction here at all. If the Internet is not
involved, then the WGIG should not deal with it. 

>As almost everything in communication, entertainment, knowledge,
>culture, medicine... is moving into digital and spread all over
>the world using more or less IP protocols suite, any WGIG can
>easily encompass all problems, through expertise of those who
>know about the internal processe of the internet. This will
>cut off the ability of civil society to have different
>expertise and differents conflicts and differents leaders
>in differents areas.

You are asserting here two things: 1) WGIG can take on
"all problems," 2) civil society will be dis-empowered if the 
issues it cares about are handled via the WGIG process.

Both assertions are incorrect, in my opinion.

The WGIG cannot easily encompass "all problems" if
it keeps itself focused on the use of _Internet protocols_, 
which is what I am advocating. You should support my
approach to the definition, not oppose it.

Second, civil society has plenty of capacity to deal with human
rights issues, including intellectual property, in the context
of Internet governance. I don't know why you lack confidence
in our ability to do this. Maybe you can explain better. 

>As the Human Right caucus try to show us, some parts of the
>WSIS declaration (during the elaboration phase, hopefully,
>we succeed for most of the problems) are jeopardizing the
>whole corpus of Human Rights, as partial interpretations
>through the IS lenses can have profound negative impact
>over others other actions in the world to defend and extend
>Human rights.

If you think that this problem can be avoided by taking
things off the WGIG agenda, I believe you are wrong. 
By taking them off the WGIG agenda, all you do is
leave in place the narrow regimes (such as ICANN and
WIPO treaties). By leaving them undisturbed, you make it
impossible to promote hiuman rights norms on a global,
uniform basis. 

>I believe that the WGIG, and Internet Governance at large
>is about "the ancilary problems" of the interconnection.
>It's infrastructure gestion, through naming, protocols,
>interoperability,...

That unrealistically narrow concept of IG was abandoned
months ago. It cannot be sustained. Let me give you an
example. ICANN set up a system of rules known as UDRP
to protect trademarks in domain names. So, IPR rights
are embedded in the way we regulated domain names.

>All other problems (like IP rights on one hand, but also
>protocols issues which have the IETF in charge of on the
>other hand) have to be treated elsewhere

Where shall IPR issues be dealt with? In WIPO? Are you joking?

>But we, as civil society, have to be sure that not a decision
>of WSIS (neither of WGIG) are jeopardizing the efforts of
>IP activists, who encompass also other domains that the
>one we are working on (such as generic medicines, seed,...).

Again, you are misperceiving the situation, badly. 
IP activists should nominate people to get on the WGIG,
they should work with other CS activists who are active 
around the WGIG, and they should press forward their agenda
in the WGIG. 

>That's the great force of Civil society in this process :
>we are connected with others activists, experts, thinkers
>in all other fields of the global world recomposition
>which is processing in front of us now.

Yes, indeed we are. So why do you want to keep the domains
completely separate? 

--MM



From mueller at syr.edu  Sun Sep 12 21:51:32 2004
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] NCUC list of recommended CS names
	forWGIG
Message-ID: <s1447eae.045@gwia201.syr.edu>

Veni:
You seem to misunderstand the nature of this list.
Others on the list may share this misunderstanding, so
I will address it at some length.

This is not a "slate" of candidates that will be adopted in 
TOTAL by the UN Secretary-General. It is a list of suggestions
that the UN S-G *may* (if we are lucky) choose to take one, 
two, or maybe three or four names from. We
consider each of these names to be qualified and capable
people as individuals, and they come from diverse regions
and backgrounds. But the list as a whole is not intended to
represent "the world." It represents people we (NCUC) think
would go a good job of representing CS concerns on the 
WGIG.

Our goal was to provide a list of names that
was balanced on a global region basis so that if the
S-G needed names from any particular region he would
be able to find them on our list. We also wanted to 
balance technical and policy skills. 

By including "more" names from the South we do NOT
increase the chances of Southern names being put on 
the WGIG, nor do we affect in any way the actual 
balance of names on the final selections. Kofi Annan is 
responsible for the final balance of the WGIG, not us. 
I hope that distinction is clear. 

Indeed, there is only one thing that increases the chances
of someone from "the South" being selected for the WGIG:
identifying the names of qualified, willing and able nominees 
and getting them to volunteer. Unless such names are 
put forward, all these debates about representation are quite 
irrelevant. And so where are your proposed names, Veni?  
We issued our call for names several weeks ago on several 
lists you participate in. For some reason, we did not hear 
from you, we did not receive any suggestions from you.  

--MM


>>> veni@veni.com 09/12/04 12:09 PM >>>
Dear all,
While I really appreciate all proposed candidates, and I think they will
do 
a great job, I'd like to draw the attention of all colleagues and
caucuses 
who have NOT yet nominated people, that it's important to have also
equal 
representation of the North and the South.

In what Milton has sent, there are 4 people from the South (or 3, 
depending) and 7 (8) from the North. And noone from least developed
countries.

While I know it's probably difficult to come with names from those 
countries, I feel it's vital for the process in which we're involved to 
have representatives from those countries.

Best,
Veni

At 11:15 12-09-2004 -0400, Milton Mueller wrote:
>Dear colleagues:
>Here is the NCUC's nominees for civil society representatives to the
>UN Working Group on Internet Governance. We have
>deliberately balanced the recommendations by region, and by
>technical and policy expertise, yielding a list of 11 names, 2 for
>each region and one global nominee. We understand that WSIS-CS
>is involved in its own processes, and forward these names for your
>information only, noting however that broad agreement on a small
>number of names by various sectors of civil society, if it can be
>achieved, will be beneficial. For more information about NCUC, see
>http://www.ncdnhc.org

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From mueller at syr.edu  Sun Sep 12 21:55:58 2004
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] NCUC list of recommended CS names for
	WGIG
Message-ID: <s1447fb4.062@gwia201.syr.edu>

I am very sorry that when Esther looks at 
Marco Cappato and Vittorio Bertola she sees only "two
Italians."  

There is more to these nominations than their
nationality, a lot more. The regional representative in 
NCUC who participated in the selection is from Germany.
There are other members from NCUC from UK, Eastern
Euoprean countries, etc. They did not object. The
debate centered on the capabilities and qualities of
the individuals, not on their nationality. I am proud to
say that the question of their national origin never
came up. 

Also, to reiterate what I said to Veni, keep in mind that this 
is *not* a slate that is expected to be adopted as a whole.
It is a _menu_ that we are giving Kofi Annan to select from.
I am sorry there is no one from France. But there is no
one from about 190 other nations, also.

>>> esther.joly@club-internet.fr 09/12/04 12:53 PM >>>
Europe... Two persons of the same country????

We have to find an other member for the Europe region.




From echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar  Sun Sep 12 22:45:52 2004
From: echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar (Enrique A. Chaparro)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] NCUC list of recommended CS names for WGIG
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040912190002.03073450@198.111.183.129>
References: <s1442fe9.054@gwia201.syr.edu>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20040912190002.03073450@198.111.183.129>
Message-ID: <20040912214552.2641e9c7.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:09:27 +0300
veni markovski <veni@veni.com> wrote:

VM> Dear all,
VM> While I really appreciate all proposed candidates, and I think they
VM> will do a great job, I'd like to draw the attention of all colleagues
VM> and caucuses who have NOT yet nominated people, that it's important to
VM> have also equal representation of the North and the South.
VM> 
VM> In what Milton has sent, there are 4 people from the South (or 3, 
VM> depending) and 7 (8) from the North. And noone from least developed
VM> countries.
VM> 
VM> While I know it's probably difficult to come with names from those 
VM> countries, I feel it's vital for the process in which we're involved
VM> to have representatives from those countries.


The nominations posted by Milton, AFAIK, are _exclusively_ the position
of the Non Commercial Users Constituency of ICANN's  Global Names Support
Organization, i.e., the opinion of a group withing an entity within
ICANN, a California corporation that performs certain Internet related
tasks by contract with the U.S. Dept. of Commerce.
I see no reason for such nomination having a special significance for
this CS Plenary.

Regards,

Enrique

Las nominaciones informadas por Milton son, hasta donde s?, la
exclusiva posici?n de la Non Commercial Users Constituency de la
Global Names Support Organization de ICANN, es decir, la opinion de
un grupo dentro de una entidad dentro de ICANN, una coporacion
registrada en el Estado de Californa que realiza ciertas tareas
relacionadas con la Internet por contrato con el Departamento de
Comercio de los Estados Unidos.
No veo razon para que dicha nominacion tenga un significado especial
para este plenario de la SC.

Saludos,

Enrique

-- 
``Izena duen guzia omen da.''
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From mueller at syr.edu  Mon Sep 13 00:02:07 2004
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [governance] About the scope of WGIG (re to Milton
 Mueller)
Message-ID: <s1449d4d.036@gwia201.syr.edu>

Herv?:

I have looked over the paper from Jamie Boyle 
that you referenced in your message. I think I understand
better now what you and Stallman may be proposing
(however, Stallman's message was very badly formulated -
he should take the level of discourse here more seriously
if he wants to convince anyone to do something).

Boyle's "manifesto" argues that intellectual property rights 
are overextended and need to be moderated. He hopes to
convince WIPO that it should be a more neutral actor in the
policy battles over IPR. Thus, I infer that you believe that
we should keep WGIG out of the IPR issues and focus 
exclusively on "reforming WIPO." 

This is a perfectly reasonable position, although I do not
agree with it. I am open to persuasion but I would ask you
to consider the following points.

1. I see no reason why working within WIPO and working
within WGIG cannot be complementary. To say it another
way, I do not see how efforts to moderate IPR and 
make international organizations more open to open source
and public domain ideas are hurt by working in both areas.
If you believe that the two efforts detract from each other,
please explain why.

2. Many of us active in ICANN and in WSIS and its Internet 
governance caucus are, like Prof. Boyle, critical of IPR "maximalists." 
We know that in the realm of Internet governance, WIPO has 
not been a moderating factor, it has been a strong force for 
increasing the power of trademark holders at the expense of 
free expression. We view WGIG as a way to put new forms
of pressure on WIPO to moderate its views.

Looking forward to your reply. 

--MM



\ Le Crosnier <herve@info.unicaen.fr> 09/12/04 12:04 PM >>>

[french at the end --- en fran?ais ? la fin du messge -- d?sol?, je 
n'?cris pas assez bien l'espagnol, et je n'ai aucune confiance dans la 
traduction par machine.... -- sory i don't write spanish and i'm
not confident with machine translation]


	Hello,

	Last two mails from Milton Mueller give two
	contradictory ways for defining the role of WGIG.

	- in the first he oppose Richard Stallman who want
	  to keep intellectual property question out of the WGIG
	  responsability, attending, in Mueller opinion
	  that "There is more internet governance
	  activity around issues of intellectual property (especially
	  copyright and trademark) than perhaps any other issue area."

	- in the second one, anwering Bertrand de la Chapelle,
	  he want to take out of the WGIG the question of
	  privacy in mobile communication because it's not part
	  of the usage of internet.

	We have to be very clear over oour conception of the boundaries
	of the WGIG.

	As almost everything in communication, entertainment, knowledge,
	culture, medicine... is moving into digital and spread all over
	the world using more or less IP protocols suite, any WGIG can
	easily encompass all problems, through expertise of those who
	know about the internal processe of the internet. This will
	cut off the ability of civil society to have different
	expertise and differents conflicts and differents leaders
	in differents areas.

	As the Human Right caucus try to show us, some parts of the
	WSIS declaration (during the elaboration phase, hopefully,
	we succeed for most of the problems) are jeopardizing the
	whole corpus of Human Rights, as partial interpretations
	through the IS lenses can have profound negative impact
	over others other actions in the world to defend and extend
	Human rights.

	The same process can exist if we let too broad a scope
	to the WGIG.

	I believe that the WGIG, and Internet Governance at large
	is about "the ancilary problems" of the interconnection.
	It's infrastructure gestion, through naming, protocols,
	interoperability,...

	All other problems (like IP rights on one hand, but also
	protocols issues which have the IETF in charge of on the
	other hand) have to be treated elsewhere (i agree with
	Richard Stallman). (If you want to know more about those
	who are actually acting to change WIPO
	for the IP rights to fully enter the internet age, have
	a look at the James Boyle manifesto :
http://www.law.duke.edu/journals/dltr/articles/2004dltr0009.html )

	But we, as civil society, have to be sure that not a decision
	of WSIS (neither of WGIG) are jeopardizing the efforts of
	IP activists, who encompass also other domains that the
	one we are working on (such as generic medicines, seed,...).

	That's the great force of Civil society in this process :
	we are connected with others activists, experts, thinkers
	in all other fields of the global world recomposition
	which is processing in front of us now.

	And so it is in the "governance" debate : WGIG is one part
	of the whole process, which have to take care of
	other parts (we have to oppose any decision there who will
	have profound consequences in others parts of the information
	society organsization).

	It means that i agree with Bertrand de la Chapelle :
	phone communication is outside the scope of WGIG,
	but we have to take care that a decision with a tunnel
	vision too focused on the internet not to have side effects.
	And the retention of information, globally, with any media in
	mind,  is clearly  such a problem.

Herv? Le Crosnier


-------------------------------------------------


	Bonjour,

	Les deux derniers mails de Milton Mueller proposent deux
	visions contradictoires du r?le du WGIG :

	- dans le premier, il s'oppose ? Richard Stallman qui souhaite
	  que les questions de propri?t? intellectuelle restent en
	  dehors du cadre du WGIG car il consid?re : "There is more
	  internet governance activity around issues of intellectual
	  property (especially copyright and trademark) than perhaps
	  any other issue area."

	- dans le second, en r?pondant ? Bertrand de la Chapelle, il
	  dit souhaiter garder la question des t?l?phones mobiles en
	  dehors du cadre du WGIG parce qu'il ne s'agit pas d'un usage
	  de l'internet.

	Nous devons rester clairs quant aux fronti?res de ce que
	peut faire le WGIG.

	Alors que toutes les activit?s de comunication, de loisir, de
	connaissance, de m?decine... sont en train de basculer vers le
	num?rique et les r?seaux, le WGIG voudrait certainement couvrir
	tout ces domaines, mais au travers des lentilles des
	sp?cialistes du fonctionnement interne de l'internet. Cela
	priverait la soci?t? civile de sa capacit? ? avoir diff?rents
	terrains, diff?rents conflits, diff?rents leaders dans les
	divers domaines d'activit?.

	Le caucus des Droits de l'Homme a tent? de nous montrer durant
	la premi?re phase du SMSI que des d?cision intempestives prises
	dans cette ar?ne pouvaient avoir des cons?quences globales sur
	toute l'architecture des Droits de l'Homme, mettant en danger
	des decennies de combat (heureusement, le caucus a r?ussi ?
	bloquer les d?cisions les pires).

	Le m?me risque existe si nous accordons des missions trop
	importantes au WGIG.

	Je crois que le WGIG, et la "gouvernance de l'internet" en
	g?n?ral doit se focaliser sur les "probl?mes ancillaires" du
	r?seau : il s'agit de gestion de l'infrastructure, au travers du
	 nommage, de l'inerconnewion, de l'interop?rabilit?...

	Tous les autres probl?mes (comme les Droits de Propri?t?
	intellectuelle d'un c?t?, mais aussi les questions de
	protocoles, qui sont d'ores et d?j? g?r?es par l'IETF) doivent
	?tre l'enjeu d'instances s?par?es (je partage de ce point de
	vue les positions de Richard Stallman). Pour en savoir plus sur
	la facon dont les activistes concern?s principalement par les
	Droits de propri?t? intellectuelle imaginent le r?le de l'OMPI
	dans le cadre de la soci?t? de l'information, regarder le
	manifeste de James Boyle :
http://www.law.duke.edu/journals/dltr/articles/2004dltr0009.html

	Ce qui nous concerne, c'est de nous assurer qu'aucune d?cision
	prise au SMSI, ou dans le WGIG, ne mette en danger les combats
	ou les valeurs des activistes qui ont sur chacun de ces sujets
	des visions plus larges que notre lentille internet. (par
	exemple les activistes de la propri?t? intellectuelle qui
	int?grent aussi les questions des m?dicaments g?n?riques ou
	des semences)

	C'est toute la force de la soci?t? civile dans ce processus :
	nous sommes interconnect?s avec les activistes, les experts, les
	penseurs des autres domaines qui agissent au sein de la
	recomposition globale du monde qui s'effectue sous nos yeux.

	Il en va de m?me de la question de la gouvernance ? l'int?rieur
	de tout le processus du SMSI. Ce n'est qu'une partie, pour
	laquelle nous devons tenir compte des autres domaines, et nous
	assurer qu'aucune d?cision ne puisse ?tre prise l? qui ait des
	effets n?gatifs sur d'autres secteurs de la soci?t? civile.

	Cela veut dire aussi que je partage la question de Bertrand de
	la Chapelle : certes, la t?l?phonie mobile n'est pas du ressort
	du WGIG, mais nous devons faire atention ? ce qu'aucune d?cision
	prise avec une vision-tunnel trop focalis?e sur l'internet ne
	puisse avoir des effets n?gatifs sur d'autres secteurs. Et la
	"r?tention d'information", avec n'importe quel m?dia en t?te,
	est clairement l'un de ces probl?mes.


Herv? Le Crosnier

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From mueller at syr.edu  Mon Sep 13 00:18:27 2004
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] NCUC list of recommended CS names for
	WGIG
Message-ID: <s144a123.069@gwia201.syr.edu>

Enrique:

Veni Markovski is a Board member of ICANN. Will you now
apply the same dismissive standards to his opinions?

I believe that your attempt to dismiss anyone and anything
associated with ICANN is wrong, and needs to be challenged
directly. 

First, NCUC is composed of legitimate civil society 
organizations and represents CS organizations within ICANN. 
Member organizations include Electronic Privacy Information
Center (EPIC), RITS Brazil, Universities in East Asia, North
America and Europe, Association for Progressive Communications
etc., etc. It is completely independent of ICANN management and 
of the U.S. government. Indeed, because of its critical 
stance toward many ICANN policies it had to struggle against 
sabotage and marginalization attempts in the past.

Second, there is a huge amount of overlap between CS actors
in WSIS and in ICANN. E.g. Carlos Afonso was a plenary speaker
for WSIS-CS in Geneva and a mamber of NCUC, Karen Banks is 
involved in both, many members of the Internet governance caucus 
-- including both co-coordinators -- are involved in both ICANN
and WSIS. 

Third, it should be obvious that a civil society that is
unified and welcoming of multiple participants is stronger
than one that is divided, jealous, and erects artificial 
boundaries between different activities. In relation to 
the WGIG nominations, there are probably several names
that would be acceptable to both entities. The more unity
there is here, the better.

--MM

>>> echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar 09/12/04 5:45 PM >>>
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:09:27 +0300
veni markovski <veni@veni.com> wrote:

VM> Dear all,
VM> While I really appreciate all proposed candidates, and I think they
VM> will do a great job, I'd like to draw the attention of all colleagues
VM> and caucuses who have NOT yet nominated people, that it's important to
VM> have also equal representation of the North and the South.
VM> 
VM> In what Milton has sent, there are 4 people from the South (or 3, 
VM> depending) and 7 (8) from the North. And noone from least developed
VM> countries.
VM> 
VM> While I know it's probably difficult to come with names from those 
VM> countries, I feel it's vital for the process in which we're involved
VM> to have representatives from those countries.


The nominations posted by Milton, AFAIK, are _exclusively_ the position
of the Non Commercial Users Constituency of ICANN's  Global Names Support
Organization, i.e., the opinion of a group withing an entity within
ICANN, a California corporation that performs certain Internet related
tasks by contract with the U.S. Dept. of Commerce.
I see no reason for such nomination having a special significance for
this CS Plenary.

Regards,

Enrique

Las nominaciones informadas por Milton son, hasta donde s?, la
exclusiva posici?n de la Non Commercial Users Constituency de la
Global Names Support Organization de ICANN, es decir, la opinion de
un grupo dentro de una entidad dentro de ICANN, una coporacion
registrada en el Estado de Californa que realiza ciertas tareas
relacionadas con la Internet por contrato con el Departamento de
Comercio de los Estados Unidos.
No veo razon para que dicha nominacion tenga un significado especial
para este plenario de la SC.

Saludos,

Enrique

-- 
``Izena duen guzia omen da.''


From echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar  Mon Sep 13 01:30:51 2004
From: echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar (Enrique A. Chaparro)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] NCUC list of recommended CS names for WGIG
In-Reply-To: <s144a123.068@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s144a123.068@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <20040913003051.53cbd698.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:18:27 -0400
"Milton Mueller" <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:

MM> Enrique:
MM> 
MM> Veni Markovski is a Board member of ICANN. Will you now
MM> apply the same dismissive standards to his opinions?

Dismissive? What do you mean by dismissive? Have I said anything
that is false, libellous or offensive?
 
MM> I believe that your attempt to dismiss anyone and anything
MM> associated with ICANN is wrong, and needs to be challenged
MM> directly.

I don't dismiss anyone or anything associated with ICANN. I have
the highest of respects for many of the people included in your
list, even if in some cases I don't share their views or their
organization's policies. As almost always, I'm afraid that the 
prejudice is in the eye of the beholder. 

But, if you ask for my opinion, I believe that ICANN has done much
more harm than good, and should be completely replaced by new, more
democratic and less power-hungry structures. A view, BTW, shared by
some of the NCUC-proposed candidates.

MM> First, NCUC is composed of legitimate civil society 
[...]
MM> and WSIS. 

I do not want to enter into discussions about legitimacy (a rather
subjective word), overlappings, etc. It might take a lot of time, and
perhaps we won't be able to arrive to any reasonable outcome. It would
be unavoidable to enter into bottomless arguments about things like
``How could you fight agtainst corporate stranglehold on the Internet,
if [whatever organization] depends on corporate funding for its very
existence?''
However, I will be more than pleased to discuss these issues with you
offline, if you are so inclined.

MM> Third, it should be obvious that a civil society that is
MM> unified and welcoming of multiple participants is stronger
MM> than one that is divided, jealous, and erects artificial 
MM> boundaries between different activities. In relation to 
MM> the WGIG nominations, there are probably several names
MM> that would be acceptable to both entities. The more unity
MM> there is here, the better.
 
Having a `unified' civil society (whatever that buzzword could mean)
seems utopical to me. I have no common interests with many so-called 
`CS members' with strong ties with corporate or governmental interests.
However, I do agree to the idea that it would be better to have a 
well-defined common position and strong requirements of accountability
for those who eventually may be nominated.

Best regards,

Enrique

ESPA?OL:
[... primer parrafo...[1]]
?Despectiva? ?Que quiere Ud. decir por `despectiva'? ?He dicho algo 
que resulte falso, calumnioso u ofensivo?

[...segundo parrafo...]
No soy despectivo respecto de nadie ni nada relacionado con ICANN. Tengo
el mas alto respeto por mucha de la gente incluida en su lista, aun en
los casos en que no comparto sus visiones o las politicas de las 
organizaciones a las que pertenecen. Como casi siempre, me temo que el
prejuicio esta en el ojo del observador[2]
Pero, si desea saber mi opinion, le dire que creo que la ICANN ha hecho
mucho mas da?o que bien, y deberia ser completamente reemplazada por
estructuras mas democraticas y menos hambrientas de poder. Una vision,
por otra parte, compartida por alguno de los candidatos propuestos
por el NCUC.

[...tercer parrafo y ss...]
No deseo entrar en discusiones sobre legitimidad (una palabra bastante
subjetiva), superposiciones, etc. Podria llevar gran cantidad de tiempo,
y quizas no lleguemos a ningun resultado razonable. Sera inevitable
entrar en discusiones sin fin sobre cosas como ``?Como se puede luchar
contra el estrangulamiento corporativo de la Internet, si al mismo
tiempo [la organizacion `equis'] depende de fondos corporativos para
su propia existencia?

Sin embargo, me complacera sobremanera discutir fuera de linea estas
cuestiones con Ud., si Ud. asi lo quiere.

[...tercer parrafo...]
Tener una sociedad civil (lo que fuera que esta palabreja quiere decir)
`unificada' me parece utopico. No tengo intereses en comun con muchos
sedicentes `miembros de la CS' con fuertes vinculaciones corporativas
o gubernamentales. Sin embargo, acuerdo con la idea de que seria mejor
tener una posicion comun bien definida, y fuertes obligaciones de
rendir cuentas para las personas que finalmente resulten nominadas.

Saludos,

Enrique 

[1] Milton no ha considerado util proveer una traduccion de su mensaje.
Acepten mis disculpas por no proveer una traduccion. La proxima vez,
le respondere en mi propia lengua...

[2] En mi tierra, se llama a eso `tener cola de paja'.

-- 
``Izena duen guzia omen da.''
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From mavic at isiswomen.org  Mon Sep 13 01:33:50 2004
From: mavic at isiswomen.org (Mavic)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [Ngowomen] WSIS-B+10: Media and ICT Caucus Statement
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20040910084957.0639fb90@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040913083223.03ba8cf0@202.57.74.189>

Dear all,

Just in case you didn't receive this message, I'm sending it again.

By the way, I have some good news, we managed to this put in this clause: 
"Support and recognise community and independent media to counter the 
negative and stereotypical women and girls" in the Asia-Pacific Communique, 
the official document of the region that will be presented at the CSW 
Beijing + 10 in New York in March 2005.

The original formulation that wanted to put in was: "Support and recognise 
community and independent media through more responsive regulatory 
frameworks," but as we all know, it meetings like this, we often have to 
make compromises.

Warm regards,

Mavic

****************************
Women's infocom groups form Media and ICT Caucus, reaffirm Beijing Platform

Bangkok, 08 September 2004-- Women's information and communication
organisations formed the Media and ICT Caucus in the ongoing Asia-Pacific
High Level Meeting to review the implementation of the Beijing Platform
for Action (BPFA). The move was meant to collectively assert the
reaffirmation and full implementation of the BPFA, particularly its Women
and Media Section or what is commonly referred to as Section J.
The Beijing Platform for Action is the main output document of the Fourth
World Conference on Women held in Beijing, China in 1995. It aims to
accelerate the implementation of the Nairobi Forward-looking Strategies
for the Advancement of Women; and remove all the obstacles to women's
active participation in all spheres of public and private life through a
full and equal share in economic, social, cultural and political
decision-making.

Along with the call for the Platform's reaffirmation and full
implementation, the Media and ICT Caucus highlighted the persistent issues
in the area of media and the new information and communication
technologies (ICTs). Among these are: the continued negative and
stereotypical portrayal of women in the media, the under representation of
women in decision-making positions in media organisations, and women's
lack of access to ICT training. The Caucus also drew attention to issues
that emerged after 1995 and the 5-year review of the BPFA in 2000. These
include:
- the rapid development of the new information and communication
technologies;
- the ways by which ICTs have changed media production and distribution;
- the ways by which women's communication and advocacy tools have been
redefined; and
- the increasing commercialisation and globalisation of the media.

Even as they cited the persistent and emerging issues, the Caucus
underscored the various initiatives that women's media organisations have
taken as a response to those issues. At the parallel session on Gender
Responsive Information Society held today, Chat Garcia Ramilo from the
Association for Progressive Communications-Women's Networking Support
Programme and Sharon Bhagwan Rolls from FemLink Pacific and AMARC, cited
the engagement of women's groups in gender and ICT policy discussions and
women's use of community and independent media, respectively. Bhagwan
Rolls also stressed the need for women to be active in ICT policy
formulation and the actual development of the technologies "to avoid being
left behind."

In another event, the 'Dialogue with Government Delegates' organised by
the Asia-Pacific NGO Forum, Mavic Cabrera-Balleza from Isis
International-Manila and AMARC, emphasized the same issues and called on
government delegates to create more responsive regulatory frameworks to
support all forms of community and independent media. She also stressed
that women's active involvement in the media ensures diversity and
plurality of views and allows women's and people's organisations to
promote the goals of gender equality.

Meanwhile, in today's official plenary, the Pacific island countries
through the Pacific Regional Report, supported the Media and ICT Caucus'
recommendation to recognise "community media and independent media as
enabling mechanisms to achieve the goals of gender equality." Another
expression of support to community and independent media efforts came from
the Philippine delegation. Ms. Imelda Nicolas, the head of the delegation,
called attention to the opportunities that community and independent media
provides women that enable them to participate in media production and
decision-making in the media. She also underlined the fact that despite
the significant role that this type of media plays in advancing women's
status, many governments in the Asia-Pacific region have yet to recognise
and support such initiatives.

The Media and ICT Caucus, along with other NGO caucuses, will present its
statement at the official plenary on 10 September, the closing day of the
High-Level Meeting.

The Media and ICT Caucus is composed of the following women's information
and communication organisations: AMARC-(World Association of Community
Radio Broadcasters)-Women's International Network, Antenna Foundation
Nepal, Association for Progressive Communications-Women's Networking
Support Programme, FemLink Pacific, Isis International-Manila, and
Sancharika Samuha-Nepal.

- Report from Mavic Cabrera-Balleza of Isis International-Manila and
AMARC-Women's International Network


From muguet at mdpi.org  Mon Sep 13 01:40:10 2004
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Ticket scheme for WGIG submission / =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sch=E9ma_/_?=
 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Esquema?=
Message-ID: <4144EC6A.5010107@mdpi.org>

English/Fran?ais/Castelleno

Hello everybody

For full transparency, I am informing you
that the PCT group has decided to present its kind suggestions
 of candidates for the WGIG  in the format of a "ticket"
that is a prime candidate and an alternate/backup.
Alternate not in the sense of choice, but in terms of backup,
that is replacing the candidate when he/she cannot attend
a meeting for whatever reasons, not to leave an empty for the
Civil Society.
This should give to the Civil Society nominations an impression
of higher reliability and therefore credibilty.
According to a phone conversation to Geneva,
people there, are "receptive" to this scheme
that takes into account the material difficulties and the
constraints that the CS is experiencing.
Of course, acceptance of such scheme would be only
finalized during the WGIG meeting 20-21 Sept in Geneva.

Best regards

Francis
PCT co-coordinator

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bonjour

Pour une pleine transparence, je vous informe que le groupe
PCT a pris la d?cision de presenter ses suggestions de candidats
sous la forme d'un "ticket", c'est ? dire un candidat avec son
suppl?ant qui pourra le remplacer quand il/elle ne peut assister
? une r?union pour une raison quelconque, afin de ne pas laisser
une chaise vide dans les rangs de la SC.
Cette approche devrait donner aux nominations une impression
de plus grande fiabilit? et donc de cr?dibilit?.
A la suite d'une conversation t?l?phonique ? Gen?ve, il semble
que les gens l?-bas soient "r?c?ptifs" ? ce sch?ma, qui
tient compte des difficult?es mat?rielles et des contraintes
qu'?prouvent la Soci?t? Civile.
Bien sur, l'acceptation d'un tel sch?ma ne pourra ?tre
d?finitive que pendant la r?union du 20-21 Septembre ?
Gen?ve

Francis
Co-coordinateur groupe PCT

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ola todos !

Para una plena transparencia,
les informo de que el grupo PCT tom? la decisi?n de presentar
sus sugerencias de candidatos bajo la forma d'un "ticket",
eso es un candidato con su suplente que podr? sustituirlo cuando ?l/ella
no puede asistir a una reuni?n por una raz?n cualquiera,
con el fin de no dejar una silla vac?a en las filas de la SC.
Este forma deber?a dar a nos nombramientos
una impresi?n de mejor fiabilidad
y en consecuencia de mejor cr?dibilitad.
.
Despu?s de una conversaci?n telef?nica en Ginebra,
parece que la gente all? sea "r?ceptiva" a este esquema,
que tiene en cuenta los difficultades materiales
que la Sociedad Civil lo encuentra.
Por supuesto, la acceptacion de un tal esquema,
no podr? ser definitivo sino durante la reuni?n
del 20-21 de Septiembre en Ginebra

Francis
( mi castellano no esta bueno, disc?lpe me ! )

Co-coordinador grupo PCT


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From echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar  Mon Sep 13 02:10:16 2004
From: echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar (Enrique A. Chaparro)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Thinking about "intellectual property" is a
 mistake
In-Reply-To: <s144259b.042@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s144259b.042@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <20040913011016.09116be4.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:31:28 -0400
"Milton Mueller" <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:

MM> What I see here are a series of assertions, and I cannot
MM> understand the logic linking them.
MM> 
MM> First, it is common in law to link copyright, patents and trademark
MM> as families of related areas of law. Many practitioners span
MM> all three fields, many legal conferences cover all three. To say that
MM> patent issues are "completely different" from copyright is just 
MM> wrong - both involve a commitment to make valuable information
MM> public in exchange for limited terms of protection. Copyright
MM> protects only the particular expression, patent protects the idea.
MM> That is an important difference with significant governance
MM> consequences, but it is a variation on a theme, not a "complete 
MM> difference." Same goes for trademark.
MM> 
MM> But what I cannot understand at all is the leap to conclude
MM> that since these things are different they should be "kept off
MM> the agenda" of the WGIG. There is more internet governance
MM> activity around issues of intellectual property (especially 
MM> copyright and trademark) than perhaps any other issue area.
MM> KaZaa, circumvention of copy protection, TRIPS, the WIPO 
MM> Internet broadcasting activity, ICANN and domain name-trademark 
MM> conflicts, all these are critical and live areas of internet
MM> governance.
MM> 
MM> Perhaps this person did not express his ideas well. I cannot
MM> make any sense of his assertions.

Milton,
Aun cuando no estamos de acuerdo en la existencia de una categoria
uniforme `IPR', discutiremos la cuestion en otro lado. Por cierto que,
a diferencia de su posicion, creo que las cuestiones relativas a
patentes, derechos de autor, copyrights y marcas no pertenecen al
ambito del `gobierno de la Internet'. La Internet requiere `gobierno'
solamente para un numero muy limitado de aspectos (algunos de ellos
ya adecuadamente resueltos) para garantizar su funcionamiento, y
ninguno de ellos tiene relacion con lo que Ud. llama IPR.

Como he dicho, discutiremos por separado la cuestion de fondo. Pero
me premito se?alarle un error conceptual serio en sus afirmaciones:
`patent protects the idea'. Eso no es cierto, y lleva a confusiones.
Las patentes protegen los metodos y procesos involucrados en la
implementacion de algunas ideas, a condicion de que sean novedosos,
no obvios, y suceptibles de aplicacion industrial. Ninguna legislacion
que conozca protege las ideas como tales; aun con el criterio amplisimo
que se usa en los Estados Unidos, las ideas como tales no son
patentables (ver U.S.C.35, 101).

Saludos,

Enrique


-- 
``Izena duen guzia omen da.''
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From lachapelle at openwsis.org  Sat Sep 11 22:21:20 2004
From: lachapelle at openwsis.org (Bertrand de LA CHAPELLE)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Draft YC Input to WGIG Sept Consultation
Message-ID: <200409112121.CHV28304@ms7.netsolmail.com>

Hi Robert,

Just wanted to congratulate you for this very good and 
detailed contribution that is very much in phase with the 
comments elaborated within the CS IG caucus. 

No specific modifications worthy enough to bother you at 
that late stage.

But I wanted to explicitely express support for two points :

- >19 Selection of the WGIG members must be made transparent 
and based on core
>competencies, with criteria for selection widely consulted 
and reasons for
>selection made public.
- >20 Aside from having closed-door meetings, the WGIG must 
ensure it utilizes
>open consultations, both online and physical, to harness 
the knowledge and
>expertise of a wider range of interested parties. Taking 
into account cost
>considerations, the WGIG must work to organize regional, 
sub-regional,
>thematic and sectoral meetings and consultations. The WGIG 
Secretariat
>should enter into partnerships with relevant groups in 
organizing these
>meetings.

I hope to see members of the Youth Caucus attending the Sept 
20-21 meeting. 

If some of them are already in Geneva on the evening of the 
19th, they are welcome to join members of the CS Internet 
Governance Caucus who will meet for drink / diner at the 
caf? Les Brasseurs (place Cornavin) at 7:30 pm. 

Best

Bertrand


 
---- Original message ----
>Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 10:11:24 -0400
>From: "rsagun@takingitglobal.org" 
<rsagun@takingitglobal.org>  
>Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Call for Comments: Draft YC 
Input to WGIG Sept Consultation  
>To: plenary@wsis-cs.org, governance@lists.cpsr.org, 
communication@wsisasia.org, 
wsisyouth@groups.takingitglobal.org, psis-cs@fma.ph
>Cc: facilitators@wsisyouth.org, gerardodiaz@hotmail.com, 
vb@bertola.eu.org, minciu_sodas_en@yahoogroups.org, 
karenb@gn.apc.org, lachapelle@openwsis.org
>
>Dear All,
>
>Thank you very much to those who have taken time to review 
and send in
>their initial  comments to the WSIS Youth Caucus' draft 
contribution to the
>upcoming WGIG open consultation. We likewise encourage 
others to comment on
>our draft and forward them at facilitators@wsisyouth.org on 
or before 12
>September 2004. Please feel free to circulate this post to 
other lists as
>well.
>
>However, we have been receiving posts that some people are 
unable to open
>the file we attached to our first call. We are very sorry 
for this.
>Appended below is the draft. 
>
>We likewise invite young people from your lists to 
subscribe to the WSIS
>Youth Caucus' mailinglist by sending a blank message at
>wsisyouth-subscribe@groups.takingitglobal.org. The Youth 
Caucus is heavily
>preparing towards WSIS Tunis 2005 and, on this regard, we 
are sending out
>to call to all WSIS caucuses/working groups/stakeholders 
for partnerships
>and project collaborations at the global, regional and 
national levels.
>Please fell free to contact the Facilitation Team on this 
matter at
>facilitators@wsisyouth.org. 
>
>Initially, the WSIS Youth Caucus will be setting up 
an "Issues Working
>Group" that will write articles and policy papers detailing 
the stand of
>the Youth Caucus on relevant issues around WSIS Phase II 
(ie. Internet
>governance, financial mechanisms, e-governance, "spam", 
information and
>network security, freedom of expression in an Information 
Society, etc).
>Thus, we are calling upon individuals/groups with 
expertise/experience on
>these issues from your lists to serve as volunteer
>advisers/readers/contributors/ to the IWG of the WSIS Youth 
Caucus.
>
>Thank you very much and keep sending us your comments and 
inquiries! Watch
>out for the launching of the WSIS Youth Caucus website... 
really soon!
>
>Best regards,
>
>Robert Sagun
>Policy Coordinator, WSIS Youth Caucus
>
>Noted by:
>
>Titilayo Akinsanmi
>Global Facilitator, WSIS Youth Caucus
>
>Luke Cholerton-Bozier
>Communications Facilitator, WSIS Youth Caucus
>
>
>
>======== Draft YC Input to the WGIG Sept Consultations 
=========
>
>
>13 September 2004
>
>Markus Kummer
>Executive Coordinator
>Secretariat of the UN Working Group on the Internet 
Governance 
>Geneva, Switzerland
>
>Dear Mr. Kummer,
>
>On behalf of the entire membership of the WSIS Youth 
Caucus, we are very
>pleased to transmit to your office our collective 
contribution to the
>establishment of the Working Group on Internet Governance 
for your review
>and consideration.
>
>This input is the result of an intensive e-consultation 
participated by
>hundreds of Youth Caucus members from around the globe. It 
has likewise
>been transmitted to the mailing lists of the WSIS Civil 
Society Plenary and
>Internet Governance Caucus for additional comments
>
>We will highly appreciate receiving a brief feedback from 
you on our
>recommendations as well as request for your support to have 
young people
>included as members of the WGIG. Please send correspondence 
at
>facilitators@wsisyouth.org. 
>
>Thank you very much.
>
>In partnership,
>
>Robert Sagun
>WSIS Youth Caucus Policy Coordinator
>Email: rsagun@wsisyouth.org 
>
>
>Noted by:
>
>Titilayo Akinsanmi
>WSIS Youth Caucus Global Facilitator
>Email: takinsanmi@wsisyouth.org 
>
>Luke Cholerton-Bozier
>WSIS Youth Caucus Communications Coordinator
>Email: lcholerton@wsisyouth.org 
>
>
>The Youth Caucus of the UN World Summit on the Information 
Society
>Geneva 2003 - Tunis 2005
>www.wsisyouth.org
>
>
>Contribution to the Establishment of the
>Working Group on Internet Governance (WGIG)
>First Open Consultation Meeting, 20-21 September 004, 
Geneva, Switzerland
>
>Draft Version 1.1
>10 September 2004
>
>
>		?We are committed to realizing our common 
vision of the Information
>Society for ourselves and for future generations. We 
recognize that young
>people are the future workforce and leading creators and 
earliest adopters
>of ICTs. They must therefore be empowered as learners, 
developers,
>contributors, entrepreneurs and decision-makers. We must 
focus especially
>on young people who have not yet been able to benefit fully 
from the
>opportunities provided by ICTs. We are also committed to 
ensuring that the
>development of ICT applications and operation of services 
respects the
>rights of children as well as their protection and well-
being.?
>
>Youth Paragraph (para. 11) of the 
>WSIS Declaration of Principles
>
>I. Introduction
>
>1 At present, over 3 billion individuals or just over 50 
per cent of the
>world?s population are children or youth.  In terms of 
youth alone, there
>are 1.3 billion young people aged between 15 and 24, 
according to the 2003
>UN World Youth Report. If there was ever an area where 
young people are the
>leaders not only of the future, but also of today, it is 
the emerging
>Information Society. From web development to information 
access, youth are
>growing up with the latest technologies - and extending 
them, providing
>innovative solutions to global challenges. Youth are 
creators and consumers
>of technologies ranging from mobile telephones to email, to 
instant
>messaging, radio, print media and television. As both 
business and social
>entrepreneurs, young people are creatively using technology 
to address
>community needs. 
>
>2 Young people are central to the evolution of a ?people-
centered,
>inclusive and development-oriented? Information Society. 
They are heavily
>represented in almost every category of Information Society 
from the
>development of software products, establishment of 
technology
>infrastructure and creation of Internet communities. 
>
>3 With the introduction of the Internet, youth have 
acquired a powerful new
>tool to connect and communicate. Today, young people 
constitute the largest
>percentage of those online: they go online more than anyone 
else, they stay
>online longer, and they have more diverse online 
activities. Yet, youth are
>rarely given the opportunity to be engaged in Information 
and
>Communications Technology (ICT) policy development. If the 
WSIS is to
>effect real change, it must involve youth in 
program/project implementation
>as well as in the broader context of youth participation and
>multi-stakeholder consultation in ICT decision-making such 
as Internet
>Governance and national e-strategies.
>
>4 Like other stakeholder groups, youth are organized within 
a Caucus. The
>WSIS Youth Caucus, formed on the occasion of the 1st WSIS 
Preparatory
>Committee Meeting in July 2002, is acting as an umbrella 
for all young
>people and youth non-government organizations (NGOs) 
interested and/or
>involved in the WSIS process and ICT policy formulation. 
The WSIS Youth
>Caucus aims to mainstream youth perspectives into civil 
society, the
>private sector and government inputs throughout the WSIS 
process.
>
>5 Youth were also one of the most organized and successful 
stakeholder
>groupings in the first phase of the WSIS process - 
participating and
>speaking at meetings, publishing a regular newsletter, 
running an award
>program, conducting significant national-level outreach, 
and much more.
>Clearly, if it is to achieve its ambitious goals, the WSIS 
now must
>continue to actively engage young people, the pathbreakers 
of the ICT
>revolution. 
>
>
>II. Basic Principles of Structure
>
>6. As put forward by the WSIS Civil Society Declaration, 
global governance
>frameworks ?must reflect the diverse views and interests of 
the
>international community as a whole?. It further states  that
>?decision-making processes must be based on such values as 
inclusive
>participation, transparency and democratic accountability.?
>
>7 The WGIG must have a multi-stakeholder, multi-
disciplinary membership and
>conduct an inclusive consultation process. As succinctly 
stated in the WSIS
>Declaration of Principles and Plan of Action, it should 
be ?an open and
>inclusive process that ensures a mechanism for the full and 
active
>participation of governments, the private sector and civil 
society from
>both developing and developed countries, involving relevant
>intergovernmental and international organizations and 
forums?? Its
>multi-actor character will broaden the ownership of its 
outcomes and
>consultation process and provide a multi-dimensional 
approach to the
>debates and discussions. Regional representation and gender 
balance must be
>central to its establishment. Particular attention to its 
membership is the
>effective participation of developing country experts, 
sectoral
>representatives and stakeholders. Their participation must 
be accorded with
>high importance and travel support.
>
>8 Its operations must be independent of the WSIS process. 
Though the basis
>of creating the WGIG is based on negotiated WSIS documents, 
it should be
>functioning with full independence from, yet contributing 
to, the WSIS
>process. The WGIG and its consultation process should be 
structured
>separate from the WSIS Tunis Phase?s intergovernmental 
political debates.
>
>9 The WGIG must conduct its work with utmost objectivity, 
clear direction
>and rationality. It must encourage academic, well-
researched stakeholder
>inputs aside from organizing and programming activities 
that are factual
>and impartial.  Among the relevant Internet Governance 
issues that should
>be of high priority, and which are important to and for 
young people, are
>the increasing number of unsolicited commercial/bulk email 
or ?spam?,
>information and network security vis-?-vis cybercrime and 
consumer safety,
>protection of personal privacy and other rights, Internet 
telephony or
>Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP), and proliferation of 
illicit websites.
>
>10 It must be accountable and transparent at all times. The 
WGIG should
>conduct its activities and consultations in an accessible 
and widely open
>and transparent process. Its reports, as well as background 
documents and
>stakeholder contributions, must be uploaded to a devoted, 
broadly
>broadcasted website. The WGIG website must be updated at 
the most regular,
>yet economical manner with documents accessible to the 
public, easily
>downloadable and archived.
>
>
>III. Scope of Work
>
>11 In programming the WGIG?s scope of work and operational 
strategies, its
>reporting deadlines and membership expertise should be 
taken into account.
>The WGIG, at the very least, should be made responsible of 
the following
>tasks:
>
>Crafting a working definition of ?Internet Governance? 
agreeable to all.
>Identifying and prioritizing the relevant, most pressing 
Internet
>Governance issues through an open, inclusive and multi-
stakeholder
>consultation process.
>Researching, collecting and critically analyzing pertinent 
data and
>information based on the Internet governance issues 
identified. Make use of
>available literature from recently held Internet Governance 
fora
>(including, but not limited to, the UN ICT Task Force 
Meeting and ITU
>Workshops on Countering Spam and Internet Governance) and, 
if need be,
>commission independent papers.
>Learning both the successes and failures of past global 
governance efforts,
>for example the World Trade Organization on global economic 
governance.
>Based on the results of literature reviews and broad-based 
consultations,
>recommend options, solutions, framework for action and, if 
need be,
>institutional reforms as it relates to Internet Governance.
>The Secretariat and its members must be ready to brief 
stakeholders and
>report to interested parties.
>Clearly defining appropriate roles for major stakeholder 
blocks
>(Government, private sector, civil society and 
international organizations).
>Consciously encouraging each stakeholder to actively 
contribute inputs and
>gather support on the WGIG.
>Provide travel support for WGIG members originating from 
developing and
>least developed countries and representing marginalized, 
less heard
>groupings such as indigenous peoples, disabled peoples, 
youth and women.
>
>
>IV. General Structure		
>
>12 The WGIG should be multi-stakeholder with members 
representative of
>Governments, private sector, civil society and 
international organizations.
>Marginalized sectors such as youth and women should be 
given opportunity to
>contribute to the debates as working group members. 
Developing countries,
>as well as developed nations, should be equally 
represented. Regional
>representation and gender balance must be highly equated in 
the selection
>process. Consumers/users and providers/developers of 
Internet services and
>applications, most of which are essentially young people, 
must likewise be
>represented. 
>
>13 The size of the membership of WGIG is critical. It must 
be reasonably
>representative and supportive of the structural issues 
enumerated above yet
>its total membership must neither be too small nor too 
large that will
>negatively impact on its work given the limited time 
available.
>
>14 Aside from having core members from the major 
stakeholders already
>listed above, the WGIG should have an external support 
group, assisting its
>core members in preparing the report(s) and organizing 
stakeholder
>dialogues, composed of experts on the policy, legal, 
economic, social and
>technical aspects of Internet Governance as well as on 
related issues such
>as, among others, ICT for Development, multi-stakeholder 
diplomacy and
>partnerships, human rights, consumer protection and global 
policy processes.
>
>15 The WGIG must have a Government representative, 
preferably from a
>developing country, as Over-All Chair, and Private Sector 
and Civil Society
>representatives acting as Co-Chairs. The Co-Chairs could 
later be appointed
>to coordinate the work of Sub-Thematic Committees based on 
collectively
>agreed Internet Governance themes.
>
>16 All the members of WGIG must have credible expertise and 
experience in
>the following fields:
>
>Policy and Governance
>Technical and Academic
>Internet and ICT development, including operations and 
applications
>Social development work
>ICT for Development 
>Multi-stakeholder diplomacy and partnerships
>Human rights, education and gender advocacy, especially in 
an Information
>Society environment
>Consumer protection and safety
>UN global processes and/or international, multi-cultural 
working
>environments
>Fluency in any major UN language
>Effective communication, both written and verbal
>
>17 Further, the members must ensure they are able to 
contribute ample time
>needed bythe work as well as widely communicate, by means 
of participating
>in e-consultations and panel presentations, to stakeholders 
developments in
>the work of the WGIG.
>
>18 As most young people would not have wide expertise and 
strong experience
>in some of the fields enumerated above compared to their 
adult
>counterparts, the more that their participation as working 
group members
>must be accorded with high consideration to build their 
full capacity and
>knowledge and to empower them as stakeholders of and 
contributors to
>Internet Governance. As youth, by definition is a 
transitory demographic,
>providing them an opportunity to gain experience and 
networks today will
>provide continuity and diversity to the Internet Governance 
debate in the
>future: a key mechanism to enhance inter-generational 
equity.
>
>19 Selection of the WGIG members must be made transparent 
and based on core
>competencies, with criteria for selection widely consulted 
and reasons for
>selection made public.
>
>
>V. Mode of Operations
>
>20 Aside from having closed-door meetings, the WGIG must 
ensure it utilizes
>open consultations, both online and physical, to harness 
the knowledge and
>expertise of a wider range of interested parties. Taking 
into account cost
>considerations, the WGIG must work to organize regional, 
sub-regional,
>thematic and sectoral meetings and consultations. The WGIG 
Secretariat
>should enter into partnerships with relevant groups in 
organizing these
>meetings.
>
>21 To support its information dissemination activities, the 
WGIG could set
>up an email notification/alert system within its website to 
inform
>subscribed stakeholders of latest news and developments. 
The website must
>also be developed as a repository of knowledge and databank 
on Internet
>Governance and its sub-themes.
>
>22 The WGIG must ensure real-time translation of meeting 
plenaries and
>debates in major UN languages to ensure meaningful 
participation of members
>and stakeholders. Official meeting documents such as 
background papers and
>reports should be translated in the same manner. 
Stakeholder contributions,
>regardless of language used, should be accepted, uploaded 
and likewise be
>translated, whenever possible.
>
>
>VI. Conclusion
>
>23 With these recommendations and proposals, the entire 
membership of the
>WSIS Youth Caucus stands ready to assist, provide input and 
actively
>participate in the consultation process of the WGIG. The 
WSIS Youth Caucus
>will be forwarding names of young people, taking into 
account gender
>balance and development dichotomies, who are best suited 
and well qualified
>to represent the youth of the world and have the relevant 
expertise on the
>Internet Governance debate.
>
>
>
>
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From ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es  Mon Sep 13 03:01:25 2004
From: ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lady=20Murrugarra?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] FYI : DEMANDAN APOYO PARA REINCORPORAR A LA SOCIEDAD A REOS QUE CUMPLIERON CONDENA..
Message-ID: <20040913020125.5971.qmail@web11803.mail.yahoo.com>


Jur? nueva Junta de Asistencia Post Penitenciaria

DEMANDAN APOYO PARA REINCORPORAR A LA
SOCIEDAD A REOS QUE CUMPLIERON CONDENA

La congresista Martha Moyano (NoA) destac? la importancia de que la
sociedad ayude a la reincorporaci?n de los internos a la sociedad. De
all? la importancia, subray?, de que se puede contar en el pa?s con un
proceso de rehabilitaci?n de los reos, tanto dentro como fuera de los
centros penitenciarios bajo la tutela del INPE.
Precisamente parte de este proceso es el grupo de personas que se
denomina Junta de Asistencia Post Penitenciaria, cuya directiva
jurament? el viernes 10. ?Sabemos que entre nosotros mismos se dan
contradicciones como la de no dar empleo a un reo haci?ndoles dif?cil el
camino de reincorporarse a la sociedad?.
?Pero esta es una tarea de la sociedad y del Estado y por eso se dio  un
decreto supremo en 1991 que posibilit? la formaci?n de grupos de trabajo
que ayudan a la  reincorporaci?n a la sociedad que hoy va tomar
juramento?, dijo la congresista al dar la bienvenida a funcionarios del
INPE que asistieron a dicha ceremonia realizada en la Sala ?Ra?l Porras
Barrenechea.
La Junta de Asistencia Post Penitenciaria para el periodo 2004-2006 la
integran Lady Murrugarra, como presidenta y Carlos Paredes,
vicepresidente. Tambi?n, Mar?a Teresa Bayl?n, Humberto Torres Eguren,
Elisa Yi Wang, Ninfa Calle Hern?ndez y Mart?n Hern?ndez.
Su finalidad es apoyar a los liberados y aquellos que tienen el
beneficio de la semilibertad y  libertad condicional para su plena
reincorporaci?n a la sociedad previniendo la reincidencia en el delito.
La Junta esta normada por el C?digo de Ejecuci?n Penal, DL 654, y su
reglamento (DS 015-2003-JUS).
En el discurso que tuvo lugar momentos antes de la juramentaci?n, el
director de Medio Libre de Chorrillos, Dimas Achaui, dijo que era
importante la atenci?n individual, social y familiar del ex reo y su
reinserci?n a la sociedad sin marginaci?n alguna  y con la participaci?n
de las instituciones p?blicas y la sociedad en general.
Dio a conocer que a junio del presente a?o la poblaci?n penitenciaria
era de 31,352 internos, de los cuales 29,108 son hombres y 2,244
mujeres. Puso como ejemplo, que de la poblaci?n penal de Lurigancho
ingresaron por primera vez 4,408 condenados, 1,700 lo hicieron por
segunda vez, 267 tuvieron cinco ingresos y s?lo 10 igual n?mero de
ingresos.
En el evento de esta tarde asisti? el vicepresidente del INPE, coronel
Mois?s Gil Carrillo y otros funcionarios de ese organismo dependiente
del ministerio de Justicia.

PRENSA CONGRESO (om)


		
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From: acarvin at edc.org (Andy Carvin)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Reminder: WSIS Telecentres Working Group begins this Wednesday
Message-ID: <4145D1D9.4060809@edc.org>

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to post a reminder that the new Telecentres Working Group 
will begin its discussions this Wednesday, September 15. If you are 
interested in participating, please join the discussion group; 
instructions are below. Please feel free to translate and/or share this 
announcement.

Je voudrais vous rappeler que le groupe de travail de Telecentres 
commencera ses discussions en ligne ce mercredi, septembre 15. Si vous 
?tes int?ress? ? participer, svp joignez-nous ; les instructions sont 
ci-dessous. Sentez-vous svp libre pour traduire et/ou partager cette 
annonce.

Quisiera recordarle que el grupo de funcionamiento de Telecentres 
comenzar? sus discusiones en l?nea este mi?rcoles, de septiembre el 15. 
Si usted est? interesado en participar, ens?mblenos por favor; las 
instrucciones est?n abajo. Si?ntase por favor libre traducir y/o 
compartir este aviso.



-------------

Announcing the WSIS Telecentres Working Group!

In November, 2005, thousands of representatives from governments, civil 
society and the private sector will go to Tunisia for the second phase 
of the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS), a United Nations 
event to identify strategies to bridge the digital divide and utilize 
information and communications technologies (ICTs) for global 
development. The civil society delegation, which includes 
representatives from NGOs, academia and other groups, is working to 
offer input to government leaders during the WSIS process, developing 
recommendations on a variety of issues, including human rights, privacy, 
health, education and copyright.

As part of civil society's contribution to WSIS, we are forming a new 
working group on telecentres and other public technology initiatives, 
including community technology centers, telecottages, public computing 
centers at schools and libraries, community wireless networks, and other 
initiatives that seek to offer Internet access, ICT training and related 
community services to the public. Participation in the working group is 
free and open to the public.

Once online discussions commence, the group will brainstorm to identify 
specific projects that could serve the WSIS process, such as the following:


     * Informing policymakers of successful strategies to utilize 
telecenters as a tool in reaching the UN Millennium Development Goals;

     * Identifying opportunities for cross-sector, public-private 
partnerships for promoting sustainable telecenters;

     * Organizing an international thematic conference on telecenters 
and other public computing venues;

     * Establishing an international network of telecenters and 
telecenter associations at the local, national and regional level in 
order to forge greater connections between them;

     * Collecting and disseminating case studies that demonstrate the 
rich diversity of telecenters, including programs run by libraries and 
community networks, and how they impact various aspects of global 
development (education, health, the environment, civic participation, etc.);

* Sharing of best practices and tools, translated for cultural and 
linguistic appropriateness.

Other issues may be identified as well. As discussion proceeds, 
participants will be encouraged to volunteer and coordinate various 
aspects of the working group, from organizing events, writing position 
papers and translating the group's official documents.

As this will be an international discussion, the working group will 
allow posts in English, French and Spanish; participants will be 
encouraged to utilize free translation tools such as Altavista Babelfish 
to help make the daily discussion as accessible as possible.
There are two options to join the group:

Option 1: Go to 
http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/telecentres and fill 
out the subscription form;

Option 2: Send an email to telecentres-request@wsis-cs.org with this 
word in the subject line: subscribe

After submitting your subscription request, you'll receive a 
confirmation request from the list server. Please follow the directions 
in this email; you'll then be confirmed as a member of the list.

Since this is a new list, we would like to give incoming members a 
chance to participate from the beginning. To accomodate this, 
discussions on the list will not open until September 15; at that point, 
I will post an announcement welcoming members to the list, encouraging 
them to post personal introductions. Then, we will proceed with the 
discussion.

For more on WSIS, please visit http://www.wsis.org.... -andy

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Andy Carvin
Program Director
EDC Center for Media & Community
acarvin @ edc . org
http://www.digitaldividenetwork.org
http://www.edwebproject.org/andy/blog/
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From mueller at syr.edu  Mon Sep 13 19:08:00 2004
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Thinking about "intellectual property"is
	a mistake
Message-ID: <s145a9cb.005@gwia201.syr.edu>

Richard:
Thanks for your comments. I am interested in this debate 
only insofar as it affects the scope of the WGIG. 

If you choose to use a different label for the family of
law that includes "copyright," "patent," and "trademark"
than the rest of the world, that's fine, but your arguments 
below have no bearing on whether those topics should be 
"in scope" for the WGIG or not. 

I believe that all three are in scope, with the possible 
exception of patent law. In all three of the cases - but
especially copyright and trademark - the global space for
socio-economic interaction created by the Internet 
has created a perceived need for revised protection
methods and laws, on an internationalized basis. The
fact that WIPO has ongoing negotiations related to Internet
broadcasting, Internet domain names, and that WTO sought
to bring together trade and IPR protection via TRIPS should 
be sufficient to prove that point. 

Do we agree so far?
--MM

p.s. Take a look at my research on Internet & trademark 
before you make any assertions about how I don't 
analyze the specific effects of particular forms of IPR. 
http://dcc.syr.edu/marklepage.htm

>>> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> 09/13/04 06:47AM >>>
    To say that
    patent issues are "completely different" from copyright is just 
    wrong - both involve a commitment to make valuable information
    public in exchange for limited terms of protection.

That's rather a stretch if you say it about copyright.  A book written
for publication has no value except through publication, so the term
"valuable information" hardly fits.  By having to strain so far to
find a meager commonality, I think you've proved my point.

But even if we disregard the strain, and imagine that that copyright
and patent had this abstract bit in common, it would not really
matter.  Their practical consequences are completely different.  For
instance, software copyright and software patents have totally
different effects, which is why most software developers favor
copyright and oppose patents.

    That is an important difference with significant governance
    consequences, but it is a variation on a theme, not a "complete 
    difference."

That statement reflects your decision to look at them at an abstract
level, rather than focus on the ways these different restrictions
affect people.  The term "intellectual property" encourages people to
do that--to think about the issues of copyright and the issues of
patents in terms of abstractions, rather than in terms of the
practical effects.  (It also carries bias in favor of treating them
like physical object property rights.)

     Same goes for trademark.

With all due respect, this is simply mistaken.  Trademark law was not
intended to encourage publication of anything (certainly not of
trademarks or logos).  It was intended to enable the consumer to know
reliably who made a product and what it is.

This provides an example of how the term "intellectual property" leads
people into false generalizations they ought to know how to avoid.  If
you start from the assumption that copyright law, patent law, and
trademark law are "variations on a theme", you will often be led
astray.

You're not alone in being led there.  I regularly find that law
professors, who are experts on copyright law, patent law, and
trademark law, who use the term "intellectual property" in their own
thinking are led into making factually incorrect statements about
these laws.  Their statements contradict facts that they already
know--but they failed to see this, because the term "intellectual
property" blinded them temporarily.  That's what it does.

The issues of copyright law and the issues of patent law are very
important.  The question is whether considering them in the WGIG is
useful.  Thinking about them in a biased and confused way isn't likely
to achieve anything good--and that is what will happen if people try
to consider them under the rubric of "intellectual property".

From mueller at syr.edu  Mon Sep 13 19:24:34 2004
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Veni's objections
Message-ID: <s145adad.097@gwia201.syr.edu>

>>> veni markovski <veni@veni.com> 09/13/04 10:59AM >>>
>It's a proof that the process is a total mess. There are 20+ caucuses,
and 
>each of them feels obliged to propose at least 10 names. That makes
200 
>people!?

>I don't think anyone would consider the civil society input as
constructive 
>at this point.

Veni:
I don't consider this recent input of yours to be 
constructive.

The NCUC process was definitely not a "mess,"
it was quite orderly. And yet you attacked that too -- 
on the very weak grounds that despite having every
world region represented and people from Uruguay,
Cameroun, Togo, Brazil and Korea it was somehow 
"Northern dominated." 

Yes, the WSIS-CS Internet governance caucus's process
is not ideal, but they have to deal with the fact that 
WSIS-CS is not as formally organized as NCUC. 
So given that fact, asking for nominations from the
caucuses is a reasonable thing to do. I was not a
supporter of that method but now that it has been
implemented we ought to try to make it work. The
caucuses were asked for a maximum of 3 names, not
10, as you know well.

The process may be messy but you are attacking the 
results before there are any results! 

Shouldn't you acknowledge that your status as an ICANN 
Board member might affect your judgement here, just a bit? 

--MM


From veni at veni.com  Mon Sep 13 20:28:50 2004
From: veni at veni.com (veni markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Veni's objections
In-Reply-To: <s145adad.096@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s145adad.096@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040913222304.0304d920@198.111.183.129>

At 14:24 13-09-2004 -0400, Milton Mueller wrote:
>Veni:
>I don't consider this recent input of yours to be
>constructive.

It's been provocative, not destructive. And I am glad there are responses, 
although not in the right direction. Didn't you notice how suddenly the 
mailing list changed in the last few weeks?

>The NCUC process was definitely not a "mess,"
>it was quite orderly. And yet you attacked that too --
>on the very weak grounds that despite having every
>world region represented and people from Uruguay,
>Cameroun, Togo, Brazil and Korea it was somehow
>"Northern dominated."

It is. And don't mention South Korea. Although it has "south" in its name, 
it's not representing the developing countries. I was wondering about 
Brazil, too, as it is quite developed - at least to the standards that we 
live in. So, fact is here 4:7 in favour of the developed countries. Or may 
be even 3:8.

>Shouldn't you acknowledge that your status as an ICANN
>Board member might affect your judgement here, just a bit?

No, I shouldn't. What is affecting my judgement is that I am coming from 
the South, from a developing country. From a country which is recently 
rated 28 out of 28 members and candidates to join the EU in terms of 
development of IT. And I want to change that, not only for my country but 
for all developing countries that want this changed. Including by larger 
participation of people from developing countries in the processes. That's 
what affects my judgement. I'm an ICANN director for a set term of 3 years, 
but I hope to be a citizen for much more. Therefore I have the courage to 
speak here loudly, and - as you well know - I'm not representing ICANN.

Best,
Veni 


From avri at acm.org  Mon Sep 13 21:07:17 2004
From: avri at acm.org (avri@acm.org)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [governance] Re: Veni's objections
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040913222304.0304d920@198.111.183.129>
References: <s145adad.096@gwia201.syr.edu> <6.1.2.0.2.20040913222304.0304d920@198.111.183.129>
Message-ID: <82F3B51D-05C0-11D9-95F1-000393CC2112@acm.org>

On 13 sep 2004, at 15.28, veni markovski wrote:

> And I am glad there are responses, although not in the right direction.

What do you mean by the right direction?

> Didn't you notice how suddenly the mailing list changed in the last 
> few weeks?

In what way has it changed?

a.



From jsarr at refer.sn  Mon Sep 13 22:17:29 2004
From: jsarr at refer.sn (Joseph Sarr)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nouvelle contribution =?iso-8859-1?b?4A==?= la formation du GTGI
In-Reply-To: <1095094452.6002.32.camel@linux.local>
References: <s1442fe9.054@gwia201.syr.edu> <6.1.2.0.2.20040912190002.03073450@198.111.183.129> <4144A559.8070109@knowprose.com> <6.1.1.1.0.20040913102554.036ebba0@pop.gn.apc.org> <1095094452.6002.32.camel@linux.local>
Message-ID: <1095110249.41460e69c2e28@www.refer.sn>

Bonjour ? tous

Je remercie tous les abonn?s aux listes de la gouvernance de l'Internet et de
la
pl?ni?re pour les excellentes contributions qui nous parviennent r?guli?rement.
Au niveau de la famille des autorit?s locales, nous vous proposerons
incessamment une liste de candidats au groupe de travail sur la gouvernance de
l'Internet.

Je vous transmets ci-apr?s et en fichier attach?, pour ?tude et avis, une
nouvelle contribution relative ? la formation du GTGI que nous discuterons
probablement durant les consultations pr?vues les 20 et 21 septembre 2004.

Vous souhaitant bonne r?ception, je vous prie d'agr?er mes salutations
distingu?es.

M. Joseph SARR
Pr?sident de la Commission NTIC
Conseil R?gional de Dakar
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CONTRIBUTION DU CONSEIL REGIONAL DE DAKAR AUX CONSULTATIONS SUR L'?TABLISSEMENT
DU GROUPE DE TRAVAIL SUR LA GOUVERNANCE DE L'INTERNET (GTGI)
GEN?VE 20 - 21 SEPTEMBRE 2004

1- Autonomie du GTGI par rapport aux PREPCOMs
Nous sommes d?accord pour que le GTGI soit ind?pendant des PREPCOMs mais nous
pensons qu?il doit se positionner r?solument comme un ?l?ment du processus du
SMSI et donc travailler dans l?esprit des documents adopt?s (plan d?actions et
d?claration) en d?cembre 2003 ? Gen?ve.

2- Etablissement et structuration du GTGI
Nous consid?rons qu?une participation ?gale des gouvernements, du secteur priv?
et de la soci?t? civile semble raisonnable. Par contre, pour ce qui concerne la
soci?t? civile, nous estimons qu?une participation pleine et enti?re de  la
soci?t? civile ne signifie pas n?cessairement l?application arithm?tique :

- d?une r?partition r?gionale (c?est-?-dire int?grer dans le GTGI autant de
ressortissants d?Afrique que d?Europe, d?Am?rique latine, d?Asie-Pacifique et
d?Am?rique du Nord ), 

- d?une r?partition entre experts de la gouvernance de l?Internet et
sp?cialistes de la d?finition de la politique NTIC au niveau international
(c?est-?-dire 50%-50%), 

- ou d?une r?partition ? ?quitable ? entre les diff?rents caucus et groupes de
travail composant la soci?t? civile. 

Nous pensons que le r?le d?volu au GTGI m?rite une approche plus approfondie et
non caricaturale quant aux proc?dures ? mettre en ?uvre. Les questions qu?il
nous semble essentiel de se poser, avant d??tablir la composition du GTGI, sont
celles-l? qu?il faudra absolument se poser quand cette structure sera d?j? mise
sur pied : 

- le GTGI est-il une ?manation de la soci?t? mondiale r?elle et a-t-il
l?autonomie indispensable ? la r?alisation de ses ambitieux objectifs, dans
l?int?r?t bien pens? de ces mandants ?

- Le GTGI est-il op?rationnel quant ? la mission qui lui est confi?e ,
c?est-?-dire ?laborer une d?finition pratique de la gouvernance de l?Internet,
identifier les questions d'int?r?t g?n?ral qui se rapportent ? la gouvernance
de
l?Internet, ?laborer une conception commune des r?les et des sph?res de
responsabilit? des diff?rents acteurs de la gouvernance de l?Internet et enfin
?laborer un rapport sur les r?sultats de cette activit? ?

En consid?rant une participation de dix (10) membres de la soci?t? civile au
GTGI, nous proposons de faire la r?partition suivante :

- un (1) expert en mati?re de gouvernance de l?Internet,

- un (1) sp?cialiste en mati?re de d?finition des politiques de NTIC au niveau
international,

- huit (8) sp?cialistes multi-sectoriels ou multi-caucus (au sens de la
d?finition de la soci?t? civile du SMSI), c?est-?-dire en mesure d?incarner
l?essentiel de la soci?t? civile de par leur comp?tences et leurs implications
dans les grands r?seaux mondiaux de la soci?t? civile.

Le GTGI doit ?tre n?cessairement assist? par des experts reconnus pour leurs
comp?tences en mati?re de NTIC, de gouvernance de l?Internet et de soci?t?
civile, ? chaque fois que de besoin. Cette proposition permet de ne pas
alourdir
plus que de raison la taille du GTGI.

Il faut enfin veiller ? n?exclure aucune r?gion g?ographique et ? inclure dans
le GTGI des membres francophones et des membres polyglottes qui pourront
?ventuellement assurer la coh?rence linguistique au sein du groupe. Sous ces
deux conditions nous n?avons pas d?objection ? ce que les travaux du GTGI se
d?roulent essentiellement dans une des langues des Nations-Unies.

3- Proc?dures de s?lection des membres du GTGI
- Eviter autant que possible de recourir ? des votes (?lectroniques ou non). Un
vote n?cessite au pr?alable la d?finition d?un coll?ge ?lectoral et des
probl?mes de l?gitimit? peuvent d?couler d?une utilisation non ma?tris?e de
cette proc?dure.

- Eviter autant que possible les initiatives individuelles ou priv?es qui sont
concoct?es par un ? groupe d?amis ? qui nous veulent du bien et favoriser
plut?t
les d?marches collectives, consensuelles et multi-caucus.

- Mettre sur la table les comp?tences r?elles des candidats, leurs exp?riences
sur le terrain et ?ventuellement leur reconnaissance internationale.

4- M?thodes de travail du GTGI
Pour ce qui concerne les m?thodes de travail du GTGI, nous pr?conisons, en plus
des r?unions pr?sentielles sp?cifiques indispensables, d?utiliser les PREPCOMs
pour faire des synth?ses d??tape et d?organiser au moins une fois par mois une
rencontre virtuelle multim?dia permettant ainsi de ? mettre la pression ? sur
les membres du GTGI au vu des d?lais tr?s courts qui nous s?parent de la
publication des r?sultats.

5- Port?e du travail du GTGI
Pour ce qui concerne la port?e du travail du GTGI, nous pensons que,
conform?ment au plan d?action adopt? en d?cembre, il serait utile d?inclure
dans
les objectifs prioritaires la dimension li?e ? la d?centralisation,
actuellement
en cours au niveau mondial. Les collectivit?s territoriales telles que les
r?gions vivent des r?alit?s qui ignorent les fronti?res et la prise en compte
de
leurs pr?occupations pourrait permettre au GTGI de proposer des sch?mas
directeurs et des solutions plus proches des populations. 

M. Joseph SARR
Pr?sident Commission NTIC
Conseil R?gional de Dakar
BP 901 Dakar RP - S?n?gal
T?l. : 221 832 39 62 -  Email : jsarr@refer.sn  & jsarr@sentoo.sn
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From Mueller at syr.edu  Mon Sep 13 22:43:01 2004
From: Mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Veni's objections
Message-ID: <s145dc38.036@gwia201.syr.edu>

Veni:
Here are some *facts* (some of us still care about those)

GDP per capita (2002):

Brazil:     US$ 2610
Bulgaria: US$ 2025
Cameroon US$ 563
Togo:     US$   265

World's highest: Luxemborg, $45,778
World's lowest: Ethiopia, $ 91

Now, the NCUC list includes two nominees
from two of the poorest countries in
the world, one of which has a per capita GDP
almost ten times less than your country. And it
is clear that Brazil and Bulgaria are in basically
the same wealth category.

This leads to three rather pressing questions:

1. Why did you claim that there is "no one"
on the list from the "least developed countries?
There are two.

2. If you believe that people from these least
developed countries should be appointed to the
WGIG, why did you not praise these two nominees
in particular and offer them your support, instead
of trying to discredit the list as a whole?

3. Why did you not offer any names from other
developing or undeveloped countries? 

Sorry, there is still something quite fishy about
your arguments, imho. If you want to be
constructive, produce viable names. If you can't,
then offer your support for the nominees we
produced who meet your criteria.

--MM

>>> veni markovski <veni@veni.com> 9/13/2004 3:28:50 PM >>>
>The NCUC process was definitely not a "mess,"
>it was quite orderly. And yet you attacked that too --
>on the very weak grounds that despite having every
>world region represented and people from Uruguay,
>Cameroun, Togo, Brazil and Korea it was somehow
>"Northern dominated."

>It is. And don't mention South Korea. Although it has 
>"south" in its name, it's not representing the developing 
>countries. I was wondering about Brazil, too, as it is quite 
>developed

utterly false. 

 - at least to the standards that we 
live in. So, fact is here 4:7 in favour of the developed countries. Or
may 
be even 3:8.

>Shouldn't you acknowledge that your status as an ICANN
>Board member might affect your judgement here, just a bit?

No, I shouldn't. What is affecting my judgement is that I am coming
from 
the South, from a developing country. From a country which is recently

rated 28 out of 28 members and candidates to join the EU in terms of 
development of IT. And I want to change that, not only for my country
but 
for all developing countries that want this changed. Including by
larger 
participation of people from developing countries in the processes.
That's 
what affects my judgement. I'm an ICANN director for a set term of 3
years, 
but I hope to be a citizen for much more. Therefore I have the courage
to 
speak here loudly, and - as you well know - I'm not representing
ICANN.

Best,
Veni 


From accuosto at chasque.net  Mon Sep 13 22:59:29 2004
From: accuosto at chasque.net (Pablo Accuosto)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] "Development Agenda" for WIPO
References: <20040913020125.5971.qmail@web11803.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <068d01c499dc$f6a85ba0$4704a8c0@paullier.net>

* Establishing a "Development Agenda" for the World Intellectual Property
Organization

Proposal to be submitted by Argentina, Bolivia and Brazil to the 40th Series
of Meetings of the Assemblies of the Member States of WIPO and to the 31st
Session of the WIPO General Assembly, Geneva, 27 September-5 October 2004.

http://www.choike.org/nuevo_eng/informes/2263.html






From laurent at straskraba.net  Mon Sep 13 23:13:23 2004
From: laurent at straskraba.net (Laurent Straskraba)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Fwd: Yeomans Award for Local Content
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040914001249.020aaa28@mail.straskraba.net>

For Africa, Asia, Latin America & the Caribbean:

>Yeomans Award for Local Content
>
>The inaugural "Yeomans Award for Local Content" aims to encourage and
>bring to international recognition projects and experiences which
>demonstrate the transformative nature of local content, and the
>methodologies which are used to achieve this in different contexts.
>Local content is the expression of the locally owned and adapted
>knowledge of a community - where the community is defined by its
>location, culture, language, or area of interest. The award is given
>jointly by the Global Knowledge Partnership (www.globalknowledge.org
><http://www.globalknowledge.org/> ) and the Open Knowledge Network.

Please read more about the details here:
http://www.globalknowledge.org/gkps_portal/index.cfm?menuid=416

Best regards,
Laurent

---
Mag. Laurent Straskraba
Information Society Researcher
http://www.icts.sbg.ac.at

Information Society Representative at UN Youth & Student Association of Austria
http://www.afa.at

post: Ontlstrasse 3, A - 4040 Linz, Austria / Europe
mobile: +43.650.7711861 (GMT +1)
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---  


From mafundi at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 14 00:16:07 2004
From: mafundi at yahoo.com (Baguma Tinkasimire)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Veni's objections
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040913222304.0304d920@198.111.183.129>
Message-ID: <20040913231607.80827.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com>

Certainly Veni touched a raw nerve here and the 
responses clearly point to this. Indeed some raw
nerves need to be touched in this process and on this
very critical issue.
But the raw nerves should be touched to heal the
wounds and not to exercebate them!
So lets look at the list for the important
consideration of inclusiveness within the the
framework of reasonable input and participation.

Baguma
--- veni markovski <veni@veni.com> wrote:

> At 14:24 13-09-2004 -0400, Milton Mueller wrote:
> >Veni:
> >I don't consider this recent input of yours to be
> >constructive.
> 
> It's been provocative, not destructive. And I am
> glad there are responses, 
> although not in the right direction. Didn't you
> notice how suddenly the 
> mailing list changed in the last few weeks?
> 
> >The NCUC process was definitely not a "mess,"
> >it was quite orderly. And yet you attacked that too
> --
> >on the very weak grounds that despite having every
> >world region represented and people from Uruguay,
> >Cameroun, Togo, Brazil and Korea it was somehow
> >"Northern dominated."
> 
> It is. And don't mention South Korea. Although it
> has "south" in its name, 
> it's not representing the developing countries. I
> was wondering about 
> Brazil, too, as it is quite developed - at least to
> the standards that we 
> live in. So, fact is here 4:7 in favour of the
> developed countries. Or may 
> be even 3:8.
> 
> >Shouldn't you acknowledge that your status as an
> ICANN
> >Board member might affect your judgement here, just
> a bit?
> 
> No, I shouldn't. What is affecting my judgement is
> that I am coming from 
> the South, from a developing country. From a country
> which is recently 
> rated 28 out of 28 members and candidates to join
> the EU in terms of 
> development of IT. And I want to change that, not
> only for my country but 
> for all developing countries that want this changed.
> Including by larger 
> participation of people from developing countries in
> the processes. That's 
> what affects my judgement. I'm an ICANN director for
> a set term of 3 years, 
> but I hope to be a citizen for much more. Therefore
> I have the courage to 
> speak here loudly, and - as you well know - I'm not
> representing ICANN.
> 
> Best,
> Veni 
> 
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=====
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P.O.Box 33315, Kampala, 
Uganda.
Tel.(Cellular) 256 78 38 39 00
Email:mafundi@yahoo.com


		
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From mafundi at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 14 00:16:07 2004
From: mafundi at yahoo.com (Baguma Tinkasimire)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Veni's objections
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040913222304.0304d920@198.111.183.129>
Message-ID: <20040913231607.80827.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com>

Certainly Veni touched a raw nerve here and the 
responses clearly point to this. Indeed some raw
nerves need to be touched in this process and on this
very critical issue.
But the raw nerves should be touched to heal the
wounds and not to exercebate them!
So lets look at the list for the important
consideration of inclusiveness within the the
framework of reasonable input and participation.

Baguma
--- veni markovski <veni@veni.com> wrote:

> At 14:24 13-09-2004 -0400, Milton Mueller wrote:
> >Veni:
> >I don't consider this recent input of yours to be
> >constructive.
> 
> It's been provocative, not destructive. And I am
> glad there are responses, 
> although not in the right direction. Didn't you
> notice how suddenly the 
> mailing list changed in the last few weeks?
> 
> >The NCUC process was definitely not a "mess,"
> >it was quite orderly. And yet you attacked that too
> --
> >on the very weak grounds that despite having every
> >world region represented and people from Uruguay,
> >Cameroun, Togo, Brazil and Korea it was somehow
> >"Northern dominated."
> 
> It is. And don't mention South Korea. Although it
> has "south" in its name, 
> it's not representing the developing countries. I
> was wondering about 
> Brazil, too, as it is quite developed - at least to
> the standards that we 
> live in. So, fact is here 4:7 in favour of the
> developed countries. Or may 
> be even 3:8.
> 
> >Shouldn't you acknowledge that your status as an
> ICANN
> >Board member might affect your judgement here, just
> a bit?
> 
> No, I shouldn't. What is affecting my judgement is
> that I am coming from 
> the South, from a developing country. From a country
> which is recently 
> rated 28 out of 28 members and candidates to join
> the EU in terms of 
> development of IT. And I want to change that, not
> only for my country but 
> for all developing countries that want this changed.
> Including by larger 
> participation of people from developing countries in
> the processes. That's 
> what affects my judgement. I'm an ICANN director for
> a set term of 3 years, 
> but I hope to be a citizen for much more. Therefore
> I have the courage to 
> speak here loudly, and - as you well know - I'm not
> representing ICANN.
> 
> Best,
> Veni 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 


=====
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P.O.Box 33315, Kampala, 
Uganda.
Tel.(Cellular) 256 78 38 39 00
Email:mafundi@yahoo.com


		
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From t.naughton at iafrica.com  Tue Sep 14 08:50:34 2004
From: t.naughton at iafrica.com (Tracey Naughton)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Veni's objections
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040913222304.0304d920@198.111.183.129>
Message-ID: <BD6C6F6A.627B%t.naughton@iafrica.com>

Veni

Thank you for actually naming the issue of representation (or lack of it)
that just goes on and on and will unless there is a conscience change of
approach. That includes people like you speaking out on these matters.

Living in developing countries and experiencing the reality of global
inequity can only lead to views on all matters of governance that differ
from those of people who don't live in these contexts. The differences are
simply too stark for this to be any other way.

People in the south find it so much more challenging to obtain the resources
required to participate, and have to factor in the added energy required to
travel so far to northern hemisphere meetings, where their views will so
often be seen as less important than those of the dominant representation in
the room. 

These factors deplete enthusiasm and reinforce dominant paradigms. We all
have a responsibility to bring about a more equitable world, but too few
take up the challenge.

Tracey Naughton


 
Nyaka - Communication & Development
Tracey Naughton
Consultant
201 Somerset Hall
239 Oxford Road
Illovo  2196
South Africa

Phone/fax:    +27 (0) 11 880 5030
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From rsagun at takingitglobal.org  Tue Sep 14 10:35:28 2004
From: rsagun at takingitglobal.org (rsagun@takingitglobal.org)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Official WSIS Youth Caucus Input to the WGIG Sept Meeting
Message-ID: <259830-22004921493528659@M2W087.mail2web.com>

Dear All, 

After receiving, reviewing and incorporating a number of insightful 
comments on our draft input to the upcoming WGIG consultation, the 
Facilitation Team wishes to announce that our official input has been 
transmitted to the WGIG Secretariat in Geneva, Switzerland last September 
13, 2004 and uploaded to the WGIG website. The PDF and MS Word copies of 
our input, as well as other details on the WGIG meeting and other
stakeholder contributions, can be found at 
http://www.itu.int/wsis/preparatory2/wgig/index.html . 

We deeply thank those who have spent time reviewing and sending in their 
feedback on our draft! Comments were received, in spite of the short notice 
calling for such, from a number of Youth Caucus members and members of the
WSIS Civil Society Plenary and Internet Governance Caucus. These comments
were very helpful in strengthening our proposals/positions as contained in
the final paper. 

With respect to having a Youth Caucus representative(s) to the meeting, it 
is sad to note that, at the moment, we are not able to send anyone due to
funding constraints. Nonetheless, with or without an official YC
representative present in the meeting, we wish to seek your support by
forwarding, whenever appropriate, our proposals during the meeting. Please
contact us via facilitators@wsisyouth.org if you are able to attend the
meeting and support us. 

The Youth Caucus hopes to submit name(s) of young people who are most
eligible, based on core competencies and credentials, for the consideration
of the CS Plenary and IG Caucus on or before Sept. 20.

Thank you very much and we hope to have your full support.

In partnership, 

Robert Sagun 
WSIS Youth Caucus Policy Coordinator 

Noted by: 

Titilayo Akinsanmi 
WSIS Youth Caucus Global Facilitator 

Luke Cholerton-Bozier 
WSIS Youth Caucus Communications Coordinator 


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From bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de  Tue Sep 14 14:46:18 2004
From: bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] news on TF on Financing Mechanism
Message-ID: <4146F62A.EE2EED20@zedat.fu-berlin.de>

The Task Force really seems to be set up below the radar. They have
already started the drafting process! 
We have to make sure the established WSIS civil society entities like
the plenary and the content&themes group are involved. 

Any news on the planned caucus on financing mechanisms?

Ralf

---------------------------
(undisclosed source)

Ms. Radhika Lal of UNDP provided information on the recent development
in preparation of Task force on Financing Mechanism (TFFM) as follows.
 
****************************************************************************

- The TF will hold three meetings. The first meeting is to be held on 4
and
5 October 2005 in New York. Charles will be invited to TF meeting as an
observer.

- TF (probably up to22 members) will be composed of multi-stakeholders.
Members are to be fixed in a couple of weeks, in consultation with
UN-DESA.

- Drafting of the background documents has been started, involving OECD,
WB,
a regional development bank, etc.

- The final report will be submitted to UN-SG in mid-December, which
would
be about 40 pages and will include recommendations to the Prepcoms.
Digital
Solidarity Fund, which has been established already as a voluntary
private
fund, will be mentioned as an example of public-private partnership.

- Still it will take a few weeks to launch the TF's website.

 

Contact with Geneva missions are planned as follows

1)      17 Sept at Bureau: UNDP will provide an information note (paper
only)

2)      2nd week of Oct.: UNDP will issue another information note to
update
the progress of the TF (paper only)

3)      17 Nov: Mr. Nishimoto of UNDP will organize an informal
consultation
with Geneva missions before issurance of the first draft of the report.

From mueller at syr.edu  Tue Sep 14 15:35:30 2004
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Thinking about "intellectual
	property"isa mistake
Message-ID: <s146c991.087@gwia201.syr.edu>

>>> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> 09/14/04 10:08AM >>>
>If you agree that they should be analyzed separately, how about
>joining me in helping the WGIG to avoid lumping them together?

Sure. But, based on my experience with WIPO, ICANN and WTO/TRIPS
over the past 7 years I do not think "liumping" is much of a danger.
The 
more immediate issue is whether they will be discussed at all, and if
so
whether considerations of free expression, fair use and cultural
diversity will be given equal billing with the concerns of IPR
holders.

--MM


From aizu at anr.org  Tue Sep 14 14:38:21 2004
From: aizu at anr.org (AIZU)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IGTF-J contribution to WGIG Prep meeting in Geneva
Message-ID: <6.0.0.20.2.20040914223810.05217148@anr.org>

Internet Governance Task Force of Japan, where I serve for the
secretariat, submitted its contribution to the coming consultation
meeting on WGIG. IGTF is more driven by the "Internet community"
than civil society per se, but trying to make it a multi-stakeholder
to include user community.

Here is the URL for your reference.

www.igtf.jp/e

Thanks, and see you in Geneva.

izumi 


From rsagun at takingitglobal.org  Tue Sep 14 16:13:48 2004
From: rsagun at takingitglobal.org (rsagun@takingitglobal.org)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] news on TF on Financing Mechanism
Message-ID: <224070-220049214151348219@M2W061.mail2web.com>

Dear Ralf,

Thanks for updating the Plenary about the TFFM! It would good for all of us
to have some information on the following:
1. Is there a link where we can download the initial draft?
2. Who is leading the planned organization of the FM Caucus? If possible,
please provide contact details.
3. How is the membership of the TFFM being processed? Is there a
multi-stakeholder nomination/selection process or the UNDP is doing it
internally?
4. Will the organizers partake at the upcoming WGIG Sept 20-21 consultation?

Please allow me some days to get back to you on the WSIS Youth Caucus'
planned/potential contribution to CS preparations towards the Berlin Global
Forum. Would you know if YOIS-Europe is gathering to attend the UNICT
meeting?

Your help on these will be greatly appreciated. Again, thank you.

Best regards,

Robert Sagun
Policy Coordinator, WSIS Youth Caucus
www.wsisyouth.org

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Ralf Bendrath bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:46:18 +0200
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] news on TF on Financing Mechanism


The Task Force really seems to be set up below the radar. They have
already started the drafting process! 
We have to make sure the established WSIS civil society entities like
the plenary and the content&themes group are involved. 

Any news on the planned caucus on financing mechanisms?

Ralf

---------------------------
(undisclosed source)

Ms. Radhika Lal of UNDP provided information on the recent development
in preparation of Task force on Financing Mechanism (TFFM) as follows.
 
****************************************************************************

- The TF will hold three meetings. The first meeting is to be held on 4
and
5 October 2005 in New York. Charles will be invited to TF meeting as an
observer.

- TF (probably up to22 members) will be composed of multi-stakeholders.
Members are to be fixed in a couple of weeks, in consultation with
UN-DESA.

- Drafting of the background documents has been started, involving OECD,
WB,
a regional development bank, etc.

- The final report will be submitted to UN-SG in mid-December, which
would
be about 40 pages and will include recommendations to the Prepcoms.
Digital
Solidarity Fund, which has been established already as a voluntary
private
fund, will be mentioned as an example of public-private partnership.

- Still it will take a few weeks to launch the TF's website.

 

Contact with Geneva missions are planned as follows

1)      17 Sept at Bureau: UNDP will provide an information note (paper
only)

2)      2nd week of Oct.: UNDP will issue another information note to
update
the progress of the TF (paper only)

3)      17 Nov: Mr. Nishimoto of UNDP will organize an informal
consultation
with Geneva missions before issurance of the first draft of the report.



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From aizu at anr.org  Tue Sep 14 15:55:51 2004
From: aizu at anr.org (AIZU)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IGTF-J contribution to WGIG Prep meeting in Geneva
Message-ID: <6.0.0.20.2.20040914235551.05217148@anr.org>

Internet Governance Task Force of Japan, where I serve for the
secretariat, submitted its contribution to the coming consultation
meeting on WGIG. IGTF is more driven by the "Internet community"
than civil society per se, but trying to make it a multi-stakeholder
to include user community.

Here is the URL for your reference.

www.igtf.jp/e

Thanks, and see you in Geneva.

izumi 


From muguet at noos.fr  Tue Sep 14 21:59:54 2004
From: muguet at noos.fr (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] news on TF on Financing Mechanism
In-Reply-To: <4146F62A.EE2EED20@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
References: <4146F62A.EE2EED20@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <41475BCA.2060900@noos.fr>

 Fran?ais : Djilalali postera demain.

Dear Ralf

>The Task Force really seems to be set up below the radar. They have
>already started the drafting process! 
>
At Hammamet, Nishimoto made a remarkably open assessement of the 
situation and
invited all Civil Society stakeholders to participate and provide input.
I discussed with him for a long time later on because we have been
preparing for quite some time a proposition that would go beyond
that is proposed in the Cardoso report concerning the formation of 
Multistakeholder
Partnerships in general, and this of course
this is of interest for the implementation of WSIS recommendations.
He was quite open to our preliminary suggestions and we started working 
on it.
As you known, this is a rather technical topic that requires both 
expertise and caution.
This MSP proposal is well advanced but not yet fully ready to be 
communicated so
we can open to discussions and comments. 

I tried to get some info in August from UNDP in New York.
My understanding is they were far behind schedule.
Since then, I did not have time to contact them. I hope that they are 
going to include
Civil Society "experts"  or representatives in their Bureau as I urged 
them to do.

Concerning the need of forming a Working Group on  Financing Mechanims,
Djilali Benamrane ( from Niger and with an extensive experience about 
financing
mechanisms with PNUD  )  and me have been planning to offer such a 
suggestion
to the Civil Society and open a web site that should allow to present this
proposal in the most transparent and inclusive way :
( see http://www.wsis-finance.org or  http://www.wsis-financing.org,
we prefer the former because finance word is the same word in French
and English )  and a mailing list  finance@wtis.org,
 as soon as the dust around the WGIG formation is setlled,
because we felt it would be difficult to catch the full attention of the 
Civil Society
at the present time, but may be we should start sooner
according to your latest information.

You are most welcome to our pre-proposal brainstorming.
Everybody is kindly invited to contact Djilali 
(  not me at the moment, because I am really overworked, those days )
if you are interested in joining us towards formulating such a proposal
to the Civil Society.

Best regards

Francis
 

>We have to make sure the established WSIS civil society entities like
>the plenary and the content&themes group are involved. 
>
>Any news on the planned caucus on financing mechanisms?
>
>Ralf
>
>---------------------------
>(undisclosed source)
>
>Ms. Radhika Lal of UNDP provided information on the recent development
>in preparation of Task force on Financing Mechanism (TFFM) as follows.
> 
>****************************************************************************
>
>- The TF will hold three meetings. The first meeting is to be held on 4
>and
>5 October 2005 in New York. Charles will be invited to TF meeting as an
>observer.
>
>- TF (probably up to22 members) will be composed of multi-stakeholders.
>Members are to be fixed in a couple of weeks, in consultation with
>UN-DESA.
>
>- Drafting of the background documents has been started, involving OECD,
>WB,
>a regional development bank, etc.
>
>- The final report will be submitted to UN-SG in mid-December, which
>would
>be about 40 pages and will include recommendations to the Prepcoms.
>Digital
>Solidarity Fund, which has been established already as a voluntary
>private
>fund, will be mentioned as an example of public-private partnership.
>
>- Still it will take a few weeks to launch the TF's website.
>
> 
>
>Contact with Geneva missions are planned as follows
>
>1)      17 Sept at Bureau: UNDP will provide an information note (paper
>only)
>
>2)      2nd week of Oct.: UNDP will issue another information note to
>update
>the progress of the TF (paper only)
>
>3)      17 Nov: Mr. Nishimoto of UNDP will organize an informal
>consultation
>with Geneva missions before issurance of the first draft of the report.
>_______________________________________________
>Plenary mailing list
>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>
>
>  
>




From mgurst at vcn.bc.ca  Tue Sep 14 15:33:21 2004
From: mgurst at vcn.bc.ca (Michael Gurstein)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] FW: [ciresearchers] New Zealand Digital Policy
Message-ID: <00be01c49a67$ca2f4120$47cbeb80@michael78xnoln>

As the discussion concerning "the Information Society" seems to be
narrowing into more or less technical discussions on how to control
Spam, manage Intellectual Property and finance infrastructure, it is
useful to realize that there are other paths forward from WSIS (I) and
other pressing social and community related ICT issues and strategies.
The New Zealand Government seems to be willing to address these latter
issues.

The attached is background for a discussion to be held at the Community
Informatics Research Network Conference on "Sustainability and Community
Technology" Sept. 28-Oct. 1, in Prato Italy
http://www.ciresearch.net/conferences which is meant as a direct input
to the current consultation process in New Zealand around the referenced
document.

There is an on-going electronic discussion leading up to the face to
face discussion on the Community Informatics Researchers e-list,
subscription information below. Contributions are welcome.

Mike Gurstein

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Thomson [mailto:ithomson@lycos.com] 
Sent: September 14, 2004 1:04 PM
To: communityinformatics@vancouvercommunity.net;
ciresearchers@vancouvercommunity.net
Subject: [ciresearchers] New Zealand Digital Policy

Kia ora All,

The New Zealand Government has released a draft Digital Strategy which
is now in its consultation phase. The Strategy is particularly
interesting for the following reasons
1.	The strategy has been developed post WSIS and uses it as a
framework
2.	The strategy is co-ordinated by the Ministry of Economic
Development and calls for full involvement of the Community Sector to
gain the maximum benefits (presumably economic in nature) of the
technology. Note this is quite different from the social inclusion
thrust of many Digital Divide initiatives.
3.	Inherent acknowledgements that even in a relatively advanced
country like NZ the diffusion and effective use of ICT needs
stimulation.

The Strategy is based on the assumption that in order to reap the
maximum social and economic benefits of ICT, three interrelated areas
for action are required: 
1.	Content: Information made available via digital networks; 
2.	Confidence and capability: The necessary skills to use ICT
effectively; and 
3.	Connection: Affordable access to ICT infrastructure such as
telecommunications networks, computers and mobile phones. 

The government's role in realising the benefits is to: 
.	facilitate communities and individuals to use ICT effectively; 
.	promote innovation in New Zealand businesses; and 
.	use ICT to transform government. 
Policy development in all these areas must be coherent and integrated.
The greatest benefits will flow when the whole system is ICT-enabled.

The policy states the following Desired Outcomes

Content: Through the effective use of ICT, the social, cultural and
economic value of New Zealand's stock of content will be unlocked,
giving New Zealanders seamless and easy access to the information that
is important to all aspects of their lives.

Confidence and capability: All New Zealanders will have the necessary
literacy skills to maximise their opportunities using digital means. 
The environment for ICT use in New Zealand must therefore be secure,
reliable and well regulated. 
The public will be safety-aware, and will have a well founded trust in
the use of ICT.

Connection: New Zealand will have an information and communications
network infrastructure that provides the level of connection necessary
to meet the high demands of an information-empowered society. It will
meet the requirements of all users and will be readily accessible and
affordable.

Communities: ICT will be an important tool for realising the social,
cultural and economic ambitions of our communities and citizens.

Businesses: New Zealand businesses in all sectors will have the
necessary knowledge, management capability and access to content and ICT
infrastructure to create innovative products and processes and increase
productivity. The ICT sector will contribute 10% of New Zealand's GDP by
2012.

The government: Information, service delivery and government processes
will be integrated across agencies to ensure that the New Zealand
government is responsive, citizen-centric and cost-effective.
Information and services will be customised to the needs of citizens and
businesses, and accessible from a single point of contact. Agencies will
adopt a whole-of-government perspective when designing and implementing
services.

More details (and an executive overview) are available at
http://www.med.govt.nz/pbt/infotech/digital-strategy/

We are proposing to make a case study of this strategy at Prato in two
weeks with the aim of evaluating it against WSIS and other best practice
policies. Perhaps we will come up with some framework or guidelines for
policy development post WSIS. I am looking for pre conference
discussion, ideas and issues to stimulate the case study and would
appreciate input from the wider expert community of the CI list serve.

I also have some background documents putting the Strategy in context,
especially in terms of New Zealand's declining wealth. I can forward
those to interested people.

Thanking you in anticipation

Ian Thomson
Phone 027 449 0081
ithomson@lycos.com

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From mueller at syr.edu  Wed Sep 15 04:13:25 2004
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[WSIS=20CS-Plenary]=20Ticket=20scheme=20for?=
 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20WGIG=20submission=20/=20Sch=E9ma=20/=20Esquema?=
Message-ID: <s1477b29.075@gwia201.syr.edu>

The more I reflect on this idea, the worse it sounds.
I just don't think it will work. Regardless of what
you think you might have heard from Kummer, I 
am pretty sure the Secretary-General will not appoint 
WGIG members on a "ticket" basis. There is certainly
no precedent for it in SG-appointed working groups.

The WGIG will be a defined group of people. People on it
will be responsible for following progressive
drafts of reports. They must develop collegial relationships 
with the other members of the group, which cannot be
done by switching people in and out of the WG. Members
must carry out defined tasks, and switching that responsibility
around is likely to be more complicated than you imagine.
I do not see how it can be done without both members 
participating full time. Fundamentally, you must be either on 
or off the WGIG. There cannot be an "alternate" relationship
(unless you mistakenly think the WG will passively vote on
things, like a Parliamentary seat.) 
In short, the "alternates" to be informed and capable of filling a
slot must be on all the email lists, attend all the physical meetings,
read all the drafts, etc. etc. 

By nominating a ticket, you simply duplicate the amouint
of work CS representatives have to do, and you double 
the number of CS participants. 

And that says nothing about the coordination of the views
and interventions of the two (or is it three?) people 
supposedly occupying the same "slot." Is Richard Stallman
a perfect duplicate of Enrique Chaparro? Would they 
say the same things in the same situations? I doubt it.

The other problem is that the caucuses were asked to 
supply a maximum of 3 names; under the ticket idea you
will supply 6. Do you think it fair to the other caucuses
that, respectful of the need to keep the size of the list 
down, nominate only one or two? 

>>> muguet@mdpi.org 9/12/2004 8:40:10 PM >>>
English/Fran?ais/Castelleno

Hello everybody

For full transparency, I am informing you
that the PCT group has decided to present its kind suggestions
 of candidates for the WGIG  in the format of a "ticket"
that is a prime candidate and an alternate/backup.
Alternate not in the sense of choice, but in terms of backup,
that is replacing the candidate when he/she cannot attend
a meeting for whatever reasons, not to leave an empty for the
Civil Society.
This should give to the Civil Society nominations an impression
of higher reliability and therefore credibilty.
According to a phone conversation to Geneva,
people there, are "receptive" to this scheme
that takes into account the material difficulties and the
constraints that the CS is experiencing.
Of course, acceptance of such scheme would be only
finalized during the WGIG meeting 20-21 Sept in Geneva.

Best regards

Francis
PCT co-coordinator

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bonjour

Pour une pleine transparence, je vous informe que le groupe
PCT a pris la d?cision de presenter ses suggestions de candidats
sous la forme d'un "ticket", c'est ? dire un candidat avec son
suppl?ant qui pourra le remplacer quand il/elle ne peut assister
? une r?union pour une raison quelconque, afin de ne pas laisser
une chaise vide dans les rangs de la SC.
Cette approche devrait donner aux nominations une impression
de plus grande fiabilit? et donc de cr?dibilit?.
A la suite d'une conversation t?l?phonique ? Gen?ve, il semble
que les gens l?-bas soient "r?c?ptifs" ? ce sch?ma, qui
tient compte des difficult?es mat?rielles et des contraintes
qu'?prouvent la Soci?t? Civile.
Bien sur, l'acceptation d'un tel sch?ma ne pourra ?tre
d?finitive que pendant la r?union du 20-21 Septembre ?
Gen?ve

Francis
Co-coordinateur groupe PCT

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ola todos !

Para una plena transparencia,
les informo de que el grupo PCT tom? la decisi?n de presentar
sus sugerencias de candidatos bajo la forma d'un "ticket",
eso es un candidato con su suplente que podr? sustituirlo cuando ?l/ella
no puede asistir a una reuni?n por una raz?n cualquiera,
con el fin de no dejar una silla vac?a en las filas de la SC.
Este forma deber?a dar a nos nombramientos
una impresi?n de mejor fiabilidad
y en consecuencia de mejor cr?dibilitad.
.
Despu?s de una conversaci?n telef?nica en Ginebra,
parece que la gente all? sea "r?ceptiva" a este esquema,
que tiene en cuenta los difficultades materiales
que la Sociedad Civil lo encuentra.
Por supuesto, la acceptacion de un tal esquema,
no podr? ser definitivo sino durante la reuni?n
del 20-21 de Septiembre en Ginebra

Francis
( mi castellano no esta bueno, disc?lpe me ! )

Co-coordinador grupo PCT


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From veni at veni.com  Wed Sep 15 07:08:08 2004
From: veni at veni.com (Veni Markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Veni's objections
In-Reply-To: <BD6C6F6A.627B%t.naughton@iafrica.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20040913222304.0304d920@198.111.183.129>
 <BD6C6F6A.627B%t.naughton@iafrica.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040915090301.031f1ec0@193.200.15.187>

At 09:50 14-09-04  +0200, Tracey Naughton wrote:
>These factors deplete enthusiasm and reinforce dominant paradigms. We all
>have a responsibility to bring about a more equitable world, but too few
>take up the challenge.

Tracey,
thank you for your letter.
I'd like to see nominations which bring equal:
- participation of South / North representatives
- male / female

Otherwise, we are always saying "yeah, there's a digital divide, but we'll 
fix it." How? By not finding enough names from the South to be on the WGIG? 
Or by bringing arguments in protection of a non-protectable theme, like 
"South-North representation of 4:7 is almost equal, and... a-a, Veni, why 
don't you propose names of people from the South, since you're so 
enthusiastic about it?" I am afraid that I am not in the position to 
propose names - as you and some other people mentioned - what if we propose 
names, since the only ones able to travel and work in Geneva or NY are the 
North?
In anycase, I don't understand the whole heat around this debate. For me 
it's simple - we not only need equality. We MUST show to the rest of the 
world that what we do in the WSIS process is indeed a new process, 
including thinking equality.

best,
veni 


From veni at veni.com  Wed Sep 15 07:11:12 2004
From: veni at veni.com (Veni Markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [governance] Re: Veni's objections
In-Reply-To: <s1464987.083@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s1464987.083@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040915090825.085baec0@193.200.15.187>

At 01:29 14-09-04  -0400, Lee McKnight wrote:
>Veni,
>
>
>So perhaps that might be a more constructive focus?? And your
>suggestions are?

My suggestions are not names of people from the South. My suggestion is 
that we stop arguing between ourselves on [stupid] processing, and define: 
do we want the CS to work with equality in our minds or when we talk about 
South:North is one thing, but otherwise - yes, we are generally for equality.

I am not going to propose names, as they should be coming from the 
caucuses. I haven't seen anything on the Europe/N.America caucus. And, 
please, don't think I have a solution for every problem. I am looking for 
solutions, too.

v. 


From rkoven at compuserve.com  Wed Sep 15 09:04:39 2004
From: rkoven at compuserve.com (Ronald Koven)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Veni's objections
Message-ID: <200409150404_MC3-1-8A29-AC13@compuserve.com>

Dear Veni --

There's another name for "equality." It's "quotas."

In other words, we will not consider competence as the first factor but
geography. That's not something new. It's exactly how the UN system
recruits its Secretariats, with the result that they are riddled with
incompetents who have the right passports.

The approach is artificial, mechanical and lacking in discernment.

"Something new" would be for civil society to advance its best, most
experienced and competent people with a chance having real impact on the
outcome. Civil society could dominate the process intellectually if its
representatives were superior in knowledge and brainpower to the
governmental representatives. 

Imposing geographical quotas almost guarantees that that won't happen.

Rony Koven

From veni at veni.com  Wed Sep 15 09:29:27 2004
From: veni at veni.com (Veni Markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Veni's objections
In-Reply-To: <200409150404_MC3-1-8A29-AC13@compuserve.com>
References: <200409150404_MC3-1-8A29-AC13@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040915112549.030f6500@193.200.15.187>

At 04:04 15-09-04  -0400, Ronald Koven wrote:
>In other words, we will not consider competence as the first factor but
>geography. That's not something new. It's exactly how the UN system
>recruits its Secretariats, with the result that they are riddled with
>incompetents who have the right passports.

Ronald,
I wouldn't be so sure there are not enough competent people in the South. 
On the contrary, from my experience is not only they are competent, but 
they also have other features, which are contributing to the work of the 
civil society. And could contribute to the work of the WSIS, should we all 
try to ensure equal (quota) participation.

North is taking many things for granted, while South is often forced to 
fight for them. This fight builds characters, which we need now in the WSIS.

>"Something new" would be for civil society to advance its best, most
>experienced and competent people with a chance having real impact on the
>outcome. Civil society could dominate the process intellectually if its
>representatives were superior in knowledge and brainpower to the
>governmental representatives.

That's another argument we may start, but it will be completly off topic.

best,
veni 


From rms at gnu.org  Mon Sep 13 11:47:03 2004
From: rms at gnu.org (Richard Stallman)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Thinking about "intellectual property"
	is a mistake
In-Reply-To: <s144259a.040@gwia201.syr.edu> (mueller@syr.edu)
References: <s144259a.040@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <E1C6oMR-0003F8-B8@fencepost.gnu.org>

    To say that
    patent issues are "completely different" from copyright is just 
    wrong - both involve a commitment to make valuable information
    public in exchange for limited terms of protection.

That's rather a stretch if you say it about copyright.  A book written
for publication has no value except through publication, so the term
"valuable information" hardly fits.  By having to strain so far to
find a meager commonality, I think you've proved my point.

But even if we disregard the strain, and imagine that that copyright
and patent had this abstract bit in common, it would not really
matter.  Their practical consequences are completely different.  For
instance, software copyright and software patents have totally
different effects, which is why most software developers favor
copyright and oppose patents.

    That is an important difference with significant governance
    consequences, but it is a variation on a theme, not a "complete 
    difference."

That statement reflects your decision to look at them at an abstract
level, rather than focus on the ways these different restrictions
affect people.  The term "intellectual property" encourages people to
do that--to think about the issues of copyright and the issues of
patents in terms of abstractions, rather than in terms of the
practical effects.  (It also carries bias in favor of treating them
like physical object property rights.)

     Same goes for trademark.

With all due respect, this is simply mistaken.  Trademark law was not
intended to encourage publication of anything (certainly not of
trademarks or logos).  It was intended to enable the consumer to know
reliably who made a product and what it is.

This provides an example of how the term "intellectual property" leads
people into false generalizations they ought to know how to avoid.  If
you start from the assumption that copyright law, patent law, and
trademark law are "variations on a theme", you will often be led
astray.

You're not alone in being led there.  I regularly find that law
professors, who are experts on copyright law, patent law, and
trademark law, who use the term "intellectual property" in their own
thinking are led into making factually incorrect statements about
these laws.  Their statements contradict facts that they already
know--but they failed to see this, because the term "intellectual
property" blinded them temporarily.  That's what it does.

The issues of copyright law and the issues of patent law are very
important.  The question is whether considering them in the WGIG is
useful.  Thinking about them in a biased and confused way isn't likely
to achieve anything good--and that is what will happen if people try
to consider them under the rubric of "intellectual property".

From LMcKnigh at syr.edu  Tue Sep 14 06:29:24 2004
From: LMcKnigh at syr.edu (Lee McKnight)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [governance] Re: Veni's objections
Message-ID: <s1464987.084@gwia201.syr.edu>

Veni, 

Speaking as someone from the North, but whose kids are Brazilian as
well as US citizens, and who spends weeks a year there, calling Brazil
an advanced country is quite a stretch. Middle income developing country
is the category which fits. As they say in Brazil: "Brazil is the
country of the future, and always will be!" 

In any case, yes I agree South Korea has graduated from the developing
country category.

But just speaking geographically, not sure you're from the 'South'
either ; )   In any case Brazil still has a ways to go - certainly for
its majority. So 4:7 maybe, if that matters to you. Still Milton/NCUC
has a geographically distributed list, presumably of people willing and
able to participate in WGIG, which is more than this caucus has been
able to assemble as yet. 

So perhaps that might be a more constructive focus?? And your
suggestions are?

Lee

Prof. Lee W. McKnight
School of Information Studies
Syracuse University
+1-315-443-6891office
+1-315-278-4392 mobile

>>> veni markovski <veni@veni.com> 9/13/2004 3:28:50 PM >>>
At 14:24 13-09-2004 -0400, Milton Mueller wrote:
>Veni:
>I don't consider this recent input of yours to be
>constructive.

It's been provocative, not destructive. And I am glad there are
responses, 
although not in the right direction. Didn't you notice how suddenly the

mailing list changed in the last few weeks?

>The NCUC process was definitely not a "mess,"
>it was quite orderly. And yet you attacked that too --
>on the very weak grounds that despite having every
>world region represented and people from Uruguay,
>Cameroun, Togo, Brazil and Korea it was somehow
>"Northern dominated."

It is. And don't mention South Korea. Although it has "south" in its
name, 
it's not representing the developing countries. I was wondering about 
Brazil, too, as it is quite developed - at least to the standards that
we 
live in. So, fact is here 4:7 in favour of the developed countries. Or
may 
be even 3:8.

>Shouldn't you acknowledge that your status as an ICANN
>Board member might affect your judgement here, just a bit?

No, I shouldn't. What is affecting my judgement is that I am coming
from 
the South, from a developing country. From a country which is recently

rated 28 out of 28 members and candidates to join the EU in terms of 
development of IT. And I want to change that, not only for my country
but 
for all developing countries that want this changed. Including by
larger 
participation of people from developing countries in the processes.
That's 
what affects my judgement. I'm an ICANN director for a set term of 3
years, 
but I hope to be a citizen for much more. Therefore I have the courage
to 
speak here loudly, and - as you well know - I'm not representing
ICANN.

Best,
Veni 

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From laurent at straskraba.net  Tue Sep 14 13:11:49 2004
From: laurent at straskraba.net (Laurent Straskraba)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] FYI: UNESCO/Keizo Obuchi Research Fellowship Programme
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040914134159.01ee1340@mail.straskraba.net>

Hi,

I thought this could be of interest for affiliates from developing 
countries dealing with ICT4Development research and related areas:

"UNESCO is calling on young researchers with advanced degrees (M.A., M.Sc. 
or equivalent) in developing countries to apply to the UNESCO/Keizo Obuchi 
Research Fellowship Programme for fellowships ranging from US$ 6,000 to US$ 
10,000. The amount varies according to duration and place of study. The 
Programme is financed by Japan through its funds in trust programme for 
capacity-building of human resources.

The Programme is named after the late Japanese Prime Minister Keizo Obuchi, 
who was known for his commitment to furthering development. It grants a 
total of 20 fellowships a year to researchers in four areas: environment, 
intercultural dialogue, information and communication technologies, and 
peaceful conflict resolution. (...)"

http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=22149&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

Best regards,

Laurent Straskraba

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From rms at gnu.org  Tue Sep 14 15:08:25 2004
From: rms at gnu.org (Richard Stallman)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Thinking about "intellectual property"is
	a mistake
In-Reply-To: <s145a9cb.003@gwia201.syr.edu> (mueller@syr.edu)
References: <s145a9cb.003@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <E1C7Dyr-0006s7-46@fencepost.gnu.org>

    If you choose to use a different label for the family of
    law that includes "copyright," "patent," and "trademark"
    than the rest of the world, that's fine, but your arguments 
    below have no bearing on whether those topics should be 
    "in scope" for the WGIG or not. 

I think that whether the WGIG can reject bias in considering these
various issues makes a difference in whether it should address them.
Referring to them as "intellectual property" tends to frame the issue
with a particular bias.

This would not be significant if the WGIG were composed of superhuman
intelligences, impervious to influence through the way an issue is
framed.  But everyone in the group will be human, and humans generally
need determined effort to resist such influence.

Today I spoke at the Trans-Atlantic Consumer Dialog's conference on
the future of WIPO--an organization which has done much to promote the
term "intellectual property", and in whose actions this bias is plain
to see.  A previous speaker, a lawyer, came right out and said that
"intellectual property is a kind of property right, and property
rights are human rights, so you cannot question their legitimacy."

For the WGIG do a good job of considering these issues, it should
start by eliminating this persistent source of bias from its thinking.

However, it might be better in any case for the WGIG to reject the
issues of copyright and patents.  The reason is that this group will
tend to be industry-dominated (via the combination of direct industry
representatives and captive governments).  The business interests that
lobby for tighter copyright restrictions and for patenting of software
ideas might find the WGIG a tool they can use to push for these.

Practically speaking, the existing system of copyrights and patents is
imposed by treaties that will be outside WGIG's purview.  So WGIG will
not be able to recommend reducing them. only increasing them.  The
best it can hope to do, in these two areas, is not make things worse.
The most reliable and efficient way to avoid making them worse is to
exclude them at the start.

By contrast, the trademark issue is one that the WGIG must consider to
some extent, since it directly affects other WGIG issues.

From rms at gnu.org  Tue Sep 14 15:08:28 2004
From: rms at gnu.org (Richard Stallman)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Thinking about "intellectual property"is
	a mistake
In-Reply-To: <s145a9cb.003@gwia201.syr.edu> (mueller@syr.edu)
References: <s145a9cb.003@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <E1C7Dyu-0006sa-B1@fencepost.gnu.org>

    p.s. Take a look at my research on Internet & trademark 
    before you make any assertions about how I don't 
    analyze the specific effects of particular forms of IPR. 

My knowledge of you and your views is limited to what you have said
here, and my comments refer only to that.  If elsewhere you have
recognized that trademark law is a separate issue from copyrights and
patents, in this discussion you argued that all three are "variations
on a theme".  That would tend to lead other people to take mental
shortcuts and not treat them entirely separately.

If you agree that they should be analyzed separately, how about
joining me in helping the WGIG to avoid lumping them together?

From iza at anr.org  Tue Sep 14 12:35:33 2004
From: iza at anr.org (Izumi Aizu)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IGTF-J contribution to WGIG Prep meeting in Geneva
Message-ID: <6.0.0.20.2.20040914203321.04e0b1c8@211.125.95.185>

Internet Governance Task Force of Japan, where I serve for the
secretariat, submitted its contribution to the coming consultation
meeting on WGIG. IGTF is more driven by the "Internet community"
than civil society per se, but trying to make it a multi-stakeholder
to include user community.

Here is the URL for your reference.

www.igtf.jp/e

Thanks, and see you in Geneva.

izumi 


From mark.kinloch at euconferences.com  Wed Sep 15 01:47:01 2004
From: mark.kinloch at euconferences.com (Mark Kinloch)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Conferences from Sept-Dec
Message-ID: <005f01c49abd$843e7a40$07276153@winy8ydpl43hg3>

Dear Sir/ Madam,

 

We have some conferences that are coming up soon that may be of interest to
you or a colleague:

 

 

1. Radio Spectrum Liberalisation and Trading in the UK

24th- 25th November, London (Hotel tbc)

 

Confirmed Speeches from:

 

Derek Wyatt MP, Member, Culture, Media & Sport Committee

Ruprecht Niepold, Head of Unit - Radio Spectrum Policy, Information Society
DG, European Commission

Philip Rutnam, Partner, Competition & Strategic Resources, Ofcom

Tim Hewitt, Head of Radio Spectrum Policy, BT Group CTO

Professor Martin Cave, Director, Centre for Management under Regulation,
University of Warwick & Member, Ofcom Spectrum Advisory Board (OSAB)

                                                        

Deadline for early bird registration is 13th October and payment by 27th
October

 

For further information and online registration:
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Alternatively, contact Gavin Stephens: gavin.stephens@euconferences.com

 

 

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29th-30th November, London (Hotel tbc)

 

Confirmed Speeches from:

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Study on Nanotechnology

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Deadline for early bird registration is 18th October and payment by 1st
November

 

For further information and online registration:
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Alternatively, contact Gavin Stephens: gavin.stephens@euconferences.com

 

 

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20th - 21st September, 2004

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Confirmed Speeches from:

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Jusin Greenwood, Professor, European Public Policy, Aberdeen Business
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Lobbyist conference that includes a beginner's workshop or experienced
lobbyist stream

 

Early bird registration has passed

 

For further information and online registration:
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Events coming soon- September to November, 2004 - Dates and Countries now
confirmed:

Business and International Development - 1-2 December, London

UK Obesity: Implications for the food and drink industry 22nd - 23rd
November, London (Hotel tbc)

2nd Annual EU Sustainable Chemicals Management Conference 12th -14th
October, the Stanhope Hotel, Brussels

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22nd - 23rd September, 2004, The Stanhope Hotel, Brussels

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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Wed Sep 15 09:47:20 2004
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Veni's objections
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040915090301.031f1ec0@193.200.15.187>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20040913222304.0304d920@198.111.183.129>
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Il mer, 2004-09-15 alle 08:08, Veni Markovski ha scritto:
> Tracey,
> thank you for your letter.
> I'd like to see nominations which bring equal:
> - participation of South / North representatives
> - male / female
> 
> Otherwise, we are always saying "yeah, there's a digital divide, but we'll 
> fix it." How? By not finding enough names from the South to be on the WGIG? 

I don't like the direction this discussion is taking.

I think we have to find enthusiastic and competent people who actually
care about the North *and* the South, about males *and* females, about
people who speak English *and* personnes qui parlent Fran?ais (e anche
Italiano and all other languages of the world), about domain names *and*
human rights.

Of course no one will be an expert of everything, so an open mind,
willingness to listen to everyone, and a caring attitude towards all
problems are fundamental. In my view, the first task of a civil society
WGIG member will be to connect the working group with all civil society
participants, and move information and proposals back and forth - not
just to push his/her own pet issues.

So if this turns into a race in which each caucus, each country, each
social group is just focused on pushing someone from his own group and
raising their own problems above those of the others, then we will all
be losers - and we'll not be behaving better than governments or private
sector.

So for example:

> North is taking many things for granted, while South is often forced
> to fight for them. This fight builds characters, which we need now in
> the WSIS.

I have no problem with this: simply nominate one person from the South
who has the right skills and attitudes and everyone will be happy to
support him/her, perhaps even financially.
-- 
.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo vb.
Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu.org
(((f1tt3r h4pp1er))) @ http://tmp.bertola.eu.org/


From bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de  Wed Sep 15 10:13:11 2004
From: bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] news on TF on Financing Mechanism
References: <224070-220049214151348219@M2W061.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <414807A7.6C1C8D52@zedat.fu-berlin.de>

"rsagun@takingitglobal.org" wrote:

> Dear Ralf,
> Thanks for updating the Plenary about the TFFM! It would good for all of us
> to have some information on the following:
> 1. Is there a link where we can download the initial draft?
I don't know. I only got this information and don't know more.

> 2. Who is leading the planned organization of the FM Caucus? If possible,
> please provide contact details.
I know that Rainer Kuhlen, Chantal Peyer, Roberto Bissio and some others
were discussing this. Also see Francis' mail which had information that
was also new tome.I seriously hope the interested people get together
now and start working.

> 3. How is the membership of the TFFM being processed? 
I don't know.

> 4. Will the organizers partake at the upcoming WGIG Sept 20-21 consultation?
I don't think so. It is different topics.

But I am sure they will be somehow involved in the UN ICT Task Force
meeting in Berlin in November, as were Mr. Kummer and others at the
meeting on Internet governance in March. But there is no agenda
available yet. See http://www.unicttaskforce.org for updates.

Again, for all: We in Berlin are trying to organize a civil society
workshop on financing and digital development on the day before the UN
ICT Task Force meeting. Please contact me privately if you are
interested in coming and helping.

> Please allow me some days to get back to you on the WSIS Youth Caucus'
> planned/potential contribution to CS preparations towards the Berlin Global
> Forum. 
Great to hear.

> Would you know if YOIS-Europe is gathering to attend the UNICT meeting?
I have not heard from them yet, but I would assume they do.

Best, Ralf

From veni at veni.com  Wed Sep 15 10:14:32 2004
From: veni at veni.com (Veni Markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Veni's objections
In-Reply-To: <1095238040.3778.94.camel@croce>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20040913222304.0304d920@198.111.183.129>
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Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040915121327.02be4bc0@193.200.15.187>

Vittorio,

>I have no problem with this: simply nominate one person from the South
>who has the right skills and attitudes and everyone will be happy to
>support him/her, perhaps even financially.

I am asking/urging/pushing people from the South to participate more 
actively in this discussion.

v. 


From laurent at straskraba.net  Wed Sep 15 12:21:21 2004
From: laurent at straskraba.net (Laurent Straskraba)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Veni's objections
In-Reply-To: <1095238040.3778.94.camel@croce>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20040913222304.0304d920@198.111.183.129>
 <BD6C6F6A.627B%t.naughton@iafrica.com>
 <6.1.2.0.2.20040915090301.031f1ec0@193.200.15.187>
 <1095238040.3778.94.camel@croce>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040915130552.01f032e8@mail.straskraba.net>

Dear all,

I very much agree with Vittorio,

At 10:47 15/09/2004, you wrote:
>I think we have to find enthusiastic and competent people who actually
>care about the North *and* the South, about males *and* females, about
>people who speak English *and* personnes qui parlent Fran??ais (e anche
>Italiano and all other languages of the world), about domain names *and*
>human rights.
>
>Of course no one will be an expert of everything, so an open mind,
>willingness to listen to everyone, and a caring attitude towards all
>problems are fundamental. In my view, the first task of a civil society
>WGIG member will be to connect the working group with all civil society
>participants, and move information and proposals back and forth - not
>just to push his/her own pet issues.

What an Integrative Information Society needs are people with expertise and 
EMPATHY who care for issues and try to include others possibly 
affected/interested.

>I have no problem with this: simply nominate one person from the South
>who has the right skills and attitudes and everyone will be happy to
>support him/her, perhaps even financially.

Well, there are a lot. If I think of i.e. Asia there is UNDP-APDIP, GKP, 
PAN Asia, etc etc.

Just to name one who I'm working together on Asia-Europe links at the moment:
Robert Sagun from the Philippines, WSIS Youth Caucus Co-Facilitator, YCDO 
member

Best regards,
Laurent

---
Mag. Laurent Straskraba
Information Society Researcher
http://www.icts.sbg.ac.at

Information Society Representative at UN Youth & Student Association of Austria
http://www.afa.at

post: Ontlstrasse 3, A - 4040 Linz, Austria / Europe
mobile: +43.650.7711861 (GMT +1)
e-mail: laurent@straskraba.net
web: http://www.straskraba.net
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From christoph.dietz at CAMECO.ORG  Wed Sep 15 13:53:17 2004
From: christoph.dietz at CAMECO.ORG (Christoph Dietz)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society Involvement in TF on Financing Mechanism
Message-ID: <s1485768.004@cameco.org>

Francis muguet@noos.fr 09/14 22:59  wrote:

>>>At Hammamet, Nishimoto made a remarkably open assessement of the
situation and invited all Civil Society stakeholders to participate and
provide input.

I had a look at the intervention of Mr. Nishimoto of UNDP at PrepCom1:
http://www.wsis-online.net/financing/documents/download/remarks-nishimoto%20Hammamet%20PDF.pdf?version_id=415954

I found his remarks quite disappointing. The basic stakeholders he
mentions are: "developing countries", "developed countries and
international financial organizations", "the private sector" and
"experts". At least in this paper civil society seems to appear
basically as an actor to implement the policies defined by others. In
addition, our central concerns are not directly addressed:
people-centred sustainable development, human rights, cultural and
linguistic diversity, public domain of global knowledge.

>>>I discussed with him for a long time later on because we have been
preparing for quite some time a proposition that would go beyond
that is proposed in the Cardoso report concerning the formation of
Multistakeholder Partnerships in general, and this of course this is of
interest for the implementation of WSIS recommendations.

Could you explain what the Cardoso report is?

>>> He was quite open to our preliminary suggestions and we started
working on it.

What are your suggestions and on behalf of whom did you present these
suggestions?

>>>As you known, this is a rather technical topic that requires both 
expertise and caution.

You are right: the topic requires expertise. But I disagree that
"Financing" is a "rather technical topic". What type of projects should
be funded? Who defines the project selection criteria? Who controls the
appropiate use? These are political questions as well.

>>>I hope that they are going to include Civil Society "experts"  or
representatives in their Bureau as I urged them to do.

If UNDP is interested in a multistakeholder partnership: they should
ask us not at an individual/personal level but as Plenary or Working
Group who could represent Civil Society in the Task Force. 

>>>Concerning the need of forming a Working Group on  Financing
Mechanims, Djilali Benamrane ( from Niger and with an extensive
experience about financing mechanisms with PNUD  )  and me have been
planning to offer such a suggestion to the Civil Society and open a web
site that should allow to present this proposal in the most transparent
and inclusive way : ( see http://www.wsis-finance.org or 
http://www.wsis-financing.org, we prefer the former because finance word
is the same word in French and English )  and a mailing list 
finance@wtis.org,
 as soon as the dust around the WGIG formation is setlled, because we
felt it would be difficult to catch the full attention of the Civil
Society
at the present time, but may be we should start sooner according to
your latest information.

Please, coordinate the setting-up of a mailing list with the few other
people who already have been working in this field, especially: the
Third World Institute from Uruguay (Pablo Accuosto, accuosto@chasque.net
and/or Roberto Bissio) and Rainer Kuhlen from NetEthics (Germany,
rk_iw@gmx.de).

Best regards

Christoph Dietz
CAMECO Latin America Projects
Postfach 10 21 04 
D-52021 Aachen, Germany
Tel.: 0049 - 241 - 70 13 12 14
Fax: 0049 - 241 - 70 13 12 33
christoph.dietz@cameco.org
http://www.cameco.org

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From avri at acm.org  Wed Sep 15 18:14:20 2004
From: avri at acm.org (avri@acm.org)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [governance] Thinking about "intellectual property" is a mistake
In-Reply-To: <E1C4kai-0005BG-Jt@fencepost.gnu.org>
References: <E1C4kai-0005BG-Jt@fencepost.gnu.org>
Message-ID: <AEA25F87-073A-11D9-95F1-000393CC2112@acm.org>

On 7 sep 2004, at 14.21, Richard Stallman wrote:

> To think about "an issue" labeled "intellectual property rights" is a
> sure-fire recipe for unclear thinking about patent issues, about
> copyright issues (completely different from patent issues), and about
> trademark issues (different yet again).  If the working group uses
> that terminology and the ideas it embodies, its recommendations will
> be founded on confusion, and cannot be very good.

>
> So I suggest that the first thing to be done is to urge that copyright
> and patents be kept off the agenda of this group.

I agree, that an abstraction, such as 'intellectual properties rights' 
can confuse the issue, because it abstracts away particular content 
from the topics it is purported to include and because the grouping 
makes certain assumptions that are better avoided.

But, I do not see that confusion as a necessary reason to keep the 
specific issues of copyright and patents off the WGIG agenda.  While 
they should not be included within the general category 'intellectual 
properties rights' for the reasons you cite, it may be appropriate for 
them to be discussed as governance issues in their own right.  As I 
have said about several other issues, I think this determination is 
something that should be on the early agenda of the WGIG and should 
include: determination of appropriateness of the topic, discussion of 
other work being done on the topic, and the determination of the 
ability of the WGIG both to work with organizations involved in this 
area and to affect that work.

a.


From rms at gnu.org  Wed Sep 15 16:42:46 2004
From: rms at gnu.org (Richard Stallman)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:58 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Thinking about "intellectual
	property"isa mistake
In-Reply-To: <s146c991.085@gwia201.syr.edu> (mueller@syr.edu)
References: <s146c991.085@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <E1C7bvi-0001Jr-PZ@fencepost.gnu.org>

    The more immediate issue is whether they will be discussed at all,
    and if so whether considerations of free expression, fair use and
    cultural diversity will be given equal billing with the concerns
    of [copyright and patent] holders.

I worried about this on general principles; you're confirming
there is something to worry about.

Since on the issues of patents and copyrights there is no opportunity
for the WGIG to make things better, only worse, and since you think
they are inclined to consider these issues badly, it suggests it is
better if they don't touch these issues at all.  It's one way to make
sure no harm is done.



From rikp at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 15 19:34:58 2004
From: rikp at earthlink.net (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] West Asia Regional conference 22-23 November, Damascus
Message-ID: <F26AF6D5-0745-11D9-9C92-000A9575083C@earthlink.net>

Dear Colleagues,

For those who have not seen this, there are plans for a West Asia 
Regional Conference from 22-23 November 2004 in Damascus Syria, under 
the cosponsorship of ESCWA, UNESCO and the Syrian government.  Perhaps 
Amir Barmaki and our other West Asian colleagues can inform us if they 
plan on attending and other information about this meeting.

More information can be found at 
http://www.escwa.org.lb/wsis/conference2/main.html .

Rik Panganiban
Communications Coordinator
CONGO
=================================================

SECOND REGIONAL PREPARATORY CONFERENCE FOR WSIS,
  DAMASCUS, 22-23 November 2004

?
  Information Note
  ?

The first phase of the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS), 
held in Geneva during 10-12 December 2003, adopted a Declaration of 
Principles (DoP) and a global Plan of Action (PoA), setting the stage 
for international cooperation to close the existing digital divide 
between developing and developed countries while involving all 
stakeholders in building an inclusive information society. A key goal 
was set to develop universally accessible, equitable and affordable 
information and communication technology (ICT) infrastructure and 
services; and it was recognized that only through creating an enabling 
environment based on clear policies, laws and regulatory frameworks and 
building trust and confidence in ICT, that access can become truly 
universal.

  The PoA attempted to set a roadmap to build such an environment and to 
make it sustainable, through planning for capacity building activities, 
including educating populations, establishing research, development and 
innovation practices as well as promoting ICT enterprises. Women as 
well as marginalized and vulnerable groups were looked upon as 
important constituents of the sought global information society, and in 
need of empowerment. The development of a multilingual, diverse and 
culturally appropriate content on the Internet, as well as the 
independence and pluralism of the media were considered essential for a 
global and inclusive information society. Actions were also suggested 
to share knowledge while respecting intellectual property rights to 
spur innovation and creativity.

  The two issues that remained unsolved, however, were the global 
Internet governance and the funding of development projects. The United 
Nations Secretary General formed a Working Group on Internet Governance 
and a Task Force on Financial Mechanisms to study and make 
recommendations on both issues. The outputs of both groups should feed 
into the preparatory process for the second phase of WSIS, leading to 
appropriate decisions and actions.

  As decided in the first Preparatory Committee meeting (PrepCom-1), the 
second phase of WSIS, to be held in Tunis during 16-18 November 2005, 
will focus on the "follow-up and implementation of the Geneva 
Declaration of Principles and Plan of Action by stakeholders at 
national, regional and international levels" . Preparations will be 
carried at the regional and global levels through regional, 
sub-regional and thematic conferences, the outcomes of which will feed 
into the (global) Preparatory Committee meetings, to produce draft 
documents to be adopted at the Tunis Summit. The Second Regional 
Preparatory Conference for WSIS, focusing on partnership for building 
the Arab information society, is part of the preparatory process for 
this second phase of the WSIS. While the Western Asia Preparatory 
Conference for WSIS, held in Beirut (February 2003), produced the 
Beirut Declaration, providing regional input to the Geneva DoP and PoA, 
this Conference should produce a Regional Plan of Action, taking into 
account regional needs for building a sustainable Arab information 
society.

Objectives:

  The Second Regional Preparatory Conference for WSIS will follow up on 
the outcome of the first phase of the Summit, held in Geneva (December 
2003), and will launch regional preparations for the second phase in 
Tunis (November 2005). Since the Tunis Summit will focus on the 
implementation of a global PoA, this Conference has the following 
objectives:
	? 	
Review of actions taken by Arab countries to reduce the digital divide 
in light of the outcome of the Geneva phase of WSIS;
	? 	
Adoption of a Regional Plan of Action, based on the Arab Strategy for 
Communications and Information, adopted by the Arab Summit in Amman 
(March 2001) and the global PoA adopted in the Geneva Summit;
	? 	
Active promotion of partnerships among the various stakeholders of the 
information society, including Government, private sector, 
non-governmental and international/regional organizations, in order to 
implement the Regional Plan of Action;
	? 	
Launching key regional projects that have the necessary funding and 
partnership to insure a high rate of success.

  ?

Issues:

The main issues to be dealt with at the Conference consist of those 
raised in the global DoP that are of primary concern to the region, 
particularly:
	1.  	
National ICT strategies and plans ? lessons learned and regional 
coordination;
	2.  	
Regional Plan of Action for building the information society ? towards 
the advancement, coordination and implementation of national and 
regional ICT activities for socio-economic development;
	3.  	
National and regional profiling ? developing and sustaining the process;
	4.  	
Measuring the information society ? collaboration in the specification 
of appropriate indicators, timely data collection/dissemination and 
building a regional framework for monitoring progress;
	5.  	
Priority ICT projects for the region ? scope, partnership and financing;
	6.  	
Internet governance and the Arabic Domain Names;
	7.  	
  Capacity-building, knowledge sharing, and innovation;
	8.  	
Empowering women in the Arab information society;
	9.  	
Enabling marginalized and disadvantaged communities;
	10.  	
Reaching the Millennium Development Goals in building the Arab 
information society.

Outcomes:

The most important outcome of the Conference will be the Regional Plan 
of Action, which will encompass major activities to be carried out at 
the regional and national levels, and which consists of:
	? 	
A strategic framework containing ten areas addressing a multitude of 
issues for building the information society and contributing to the 
creation of adequate endogenous capabilities for harnessing information 
and knowledge, thereby promoting socio-economic development in the 
region;
	? 	
Action lines aimed at streamlining actions at the regional level and at 
promoting the development of national capacity for achieving 
significant changes in the areas of the strategic framework and at a 
number of levels of intervention, with a view to serve women, youth, 
elderly, and special segments of the population such as impoverished 
communities and the disabled;
	? 	
Programmes aimed at triggering high-level partnerships and inducing 
interactive participation from a broad base of stakeholders, through 
serving the main areas of the strategic framework and identifying and 
developing a number of regional projects;
	? 	
Projects aimed at fulfilling the objectives of the programmes and at 
instigating fruitful partnerships and securing the necessary resources 
to proceed with implementation, thus acting as the building blocks for 
developing the information society;
	? 	
Partnership and funding mechanisms aimed at producing the desired 
impetus to migrate towards the information society in the region.

A "Call for Partnership" will also be launched during the conference in 
order to provide the momentum for a regional multi-stakeholder 
collaboration, enabling the successful implementation of projects and 
leading to the building of solid foundations for the Arab information 
society.


Organization:

  The Second Regional Preparatory Conference for WSIS will be held under 
the patronage of H.E. Eng. Mohammad Naji Otri, Prime Minister of the 
Syrian Arab Republic, at the Umayyad Congress Palace, during 22-23 
November 2004. The Conference is jointly organized by the United 
Nations Economic and Social Commission for Western Asia (ESCWA), the 
United Nations Educational Scientific and Cultural Organization 
(UNESCO) Cairo Office and the Syrian Ministry of Communications and 
Technology (MCT). It will be held in collaboration with other 
international and regional organizations and prominent civil society 
and private sector institutions.

  Preceding the Conference, a Partnership Forum will be organized on 21 
November 2004, with the aim of bringing donors, technical experts and 
beneficiaries together in order to discuss and agree on a number of 
projects and form partnerships for their implementation.

Participants/registration:

  Governments, businesses, civil society institutions, 
regional/international organizations, media as well as individual 
experts in ICT policies, applications, and services, concerned with 
building the information society in the Arab region, are invited to 
actively participate through papers, presentations and discussions on 
the above topics related to ICT and the development of the information 
society.

  Registration can be performed  on-line. Since a username and password 
are required for registration and to allow updating of information in 
the participants central database, an application form should be 
submitted first, electronically at the above location in order to 
provide you with login information.


Language:

  Both Arabic and English languages will be the working languages at the 
Conference. Therefore, simultaneous translation from Arabic to English 
and vice-versa will be provided during the sessions.


Additional information:

  Submissions, inquiries and requests for additional information should 
be addressed to:

Mr. Ahmed Farahat, Director
ICT Division, ESCWA
  P.O. Box 11-8575
  Beirut, Lebanon
  Email: farahat@un.org
  Tel: +961-1-978549
  Fax: +961-1-981510

  ?

Mr. Mohamed Abdul Razzak, Director
UNESCO Cairo Office
  8, Abdel Rahman Fahmy Street, Garden City
  Cairo 11541, Egypt
  Email: mabdulrazzak@unesco-cairo.org
  Tel : 20-2-7943036
  Fax: 20-2-7945296

  ?

Inquiries regarding logistics, including travel and accommodation, 
should be directed to:

Mr. Ramzi Ramadan, Director
Public Relations
  Syrian Telecommunication Establishment
  Mazeh Autostrade, PO Box 35108
  Syrian Arab Republic
  Email: pub-dir@net.sy
  Tel: +963-11-6122645
  Fax: +963-11-6121645
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RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator

Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship
with the United Nations (CONGO)
web: http://www.ngocongo.org
email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
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From schock at riseup.net  Wed Sep 15 23:28:26 2004
From: schock at riseup.net (Sasha Costanza-Chock)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Governments, NGOs to discuss first draft of UNESCO Convention on
 Cultural Diversity
Message-ID: <4148C20A.8000501@riseup.net>

Hello all,

I would like to suggest that members of the WSIS Civil Society plenary 
should familiarize ourselves with the process that is unfolding around 
the UNESCO convention on cultural diversity, with an eye towards 
developing a consensus statement on the convention.

This is important because there is overlap between the concerns of WSIS 
participants and the proposed UNESCO convention, and because, while WSIS 
remains largely a site for debate with possible 'spin-off' policy 
outcomes, the UNESCO convention is proposed as a binding treaty, 
potentially with enforcement mechanisms.

To start with, check out this update from Free Press Global - original 
article includes links:

http://www.freepress.net/global/update.php?id=59


Governments, NGOs to discuss first draft of UNESCO Convention on
Cultural Diversity

September 9, 2004
Government reps from around the world will be meeting September 20-25 at
UNESCO headquarters in Paris to discuss the first draft of the proposed
Convention on Cultural Diversity (CCD). The CCD (formally known as the
International Convention on the Protection of the Diversity of Cultural
Contents and Artistic Expressions) would be an international legal
agreement to implement the principle that culture cannot be reduced to a
commodity. Concretely, it would potentially allow each country to
exclude its cultural policies, including 'audiovisual services' -
otherwise known as media - from 'free trade' deals like the WTO.

Progressive NGO networks like the International Network on Cultural
Diversity and the campaign for Communication Rights in the Information
Society are calling for broad civil society support for the CCD, but
warn that the Convention must not be subordinated to the WTO and must be
written to support cultural and media diversity inside countries, not
only between them. Otherwise, the Convention, even if it successfully
fends off an attack from the trade ministers, will only serve the
interests of national media companies against the biggest
transnationals, rather than true, bottom-up media diversity.


More information:


UNESCO portal on the CCD:
http://portal.unesco.org/culture/en/ev.php-URL_ID=11281&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

International Network on Cultural Diversity: www.incd.net

CRIS campaign: www.crisinfo.org

Media Trade Monitor: www.mediatrademonitor.org




From mueller at syr.edu  Thu Sep 16 01:56:20 2004
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [not] Thinking about "intellectual property" is....[not
 thinking]
Message-ID: <s148ac84.050@gwia201.syr.edu>


>>> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> 9/15/2004 11:42:46 AM >>>
>Since on the issues of patents and copyrights there is no 
>opportunity for the WGIG to make things better, only worse, 

Wrong. (No offense, but I am continually amazed by the alacrity 
with which you make confident assertions that have no apparent
basis in factual knowledge.)

If you want a full explanation of why I think the WGIG
is the best place to improve the dialogue 
around these issues, please refer to the paper released
by the Internet Governance Project and in particular 
Table 2, where we identify areas where there are "regime 
conflicts" across different issue areas. 

http://dcc.syr.edu/Table2-final.pdf 
http://dcc.syr.edu/Table2-final.pdf (full report)

IPRs can conflict with freedom of expression, technology
development and even privacy rights in a variety of ways. 
Currently, the international system basically divides up policy 
responsibility into issue areas in ways that make it almost 
impossible for free expression and other concerns to be 
adequately represented when IPR-related treaties are 
formed. WIPO is dominated by IPR holders. Any treaty
in which WIPO is the arena is bound to give them stronger
representation than those advcocating moderating interests.

Likewise, ICANN is ruled by a somewhat unstable combination
of trademark and domain name registration business interests.
Its constituency structure is skewed against the registrants
of domain names and various victims of IPR overreaching,
such as the ongoing pillaging of personal contact data 
associated with domain name registrations by trademark
and copyright lawyers seeking to "serve process" on 
anyone they think might be an infringer. 

If you want to challenge that imbalance, it can't be
done very well within ICANN. Believe me, I know more
about that than you ever will.

The WGIG presents probably the ONLY available opprtunity
to alter the nature of the international dialogue about 
IPR. And yes, I am using the term IPR just to indicate
to you that this debate is not about the verbal labels applied
to this area of property law, but about the substantive
rights that are or could be upheld by the international
governance system. I really don't give a damn whether
we say PCT or IPR. 

Let me suggest to you one other reality check
on your opinion. If the International Chamber of
Commerce, WIPO, the US Department of Commerce
the MPAA, INTA and ICANN's management all agree
with YOU that the WGIG should leave IPR to existing
international organizations, and take issue with MY
position, will you, um, be just a wee bit motivated to
change your mind? 

--MM

From adavidziuk at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 16 06:25:15 2004
From: adavidziuk at yahoo.com (alejandra davidziuk)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [Crisinfo.org - news ENG ESP – September 16, 2004]
Message-ID: <20040916052515.42499.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com>

[Crisinfo.org - news ENG ESP – September 16, 2004]

EUROPEAN FORUM OF COMMUNICATION RIGHTS (EFCR)
This event will take place the day before the start of
the European Social Forum to be held in London, UK,
14-17 October 2004, and tackles one of the most
important questions: how to bring together those
working at different levels on communication rights -
from grass roots activists working on practical
projects and street level campaigns, to those engaged
in lobbying and advocacy, to researchers and
academics. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/414/

¡LOS MEDIOS LIBRES LO NECESITAN!
¿Quiere apoyar la libertad de expresión, así como
también una libre y sana atmósfera en los medios? Si
es así, ¡ahora puede participar! 
La tailandesa Supinya Klangnarong, Secretaria General
d ela Campaña por una Reforma de los Medios Populares
(CPMR), fue demandada por casi 10 millones de dólares,
lo equivalente a 2500 años de su modesto salario, por
Shin Corporation, el gigante monopolio de
telecomunicaciones perteneciente a la familia del
Primer Ministro de ese país, Thaksin Shinawatra. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/411/

FREE MEDIA NEEDS YOU!
Do you want to support freedom of speech as well as a
free and healthy media sphere? Well now you can get
involved! 
Supinya Klangnarong, the General Secretary of the
Campaign for Popular Media Reform (CPMR) a Thai media
advocate was sued for nearly $10 m or the equivalent
of 2500 years of her modest salary, Shin Corporation,
the telecommunications giant owned by the family of
Prime Minister of that country, Thaksin Shinawatra. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/409/ 

REPORTING ON RESISTANCE TO EU COPYRIGHT DIRECTIVE
[By Zoltan Varady] There's been a demonstration
against the European Software Patents legislation that
they're discussing in the EU Parliament. It was the
first "geeky", free-software related demonstration in
Hungary. Many organisations joined, like the Hungarian
Linux Users Group, the BSD User's Group, the Hungarian
Free Software Foundation, Green Spider and several
others.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/407  

LIBRO: DERECHOS A LA COMUNICACIÓN Y ACCESO AL
CONOCIMIENTO
"Diritto a comunicare e accesso ai saperi. La nuova
frontiera dei diritti nella società della conoscenza"
es el título original en italiano de este libro
editado por Jason Nardi y Claudia Padovani (ambos
miembros de la Campaña de CRIS): “Derechos a la
Comunicación y Acceso al Conocimiento. La nueva
frontera de derechos en la sociedad del conocimiento”.

http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/404/' 

BOOK: COMMUNICATION RIGHTS AND ACCESS TO KNOWLEDGE
"Diritto a comunicare e accesso ai saperi. La nuova
frontiera dei diritti nella società della conoscenza"
is the original Italian title of this book edited by
Jason Nardi and Claudia Padovani (both CRIS Campaign
members): "Communication Rights and Access to
Knowledge: The new frontier of rights in the knowledge
society". Including a Preface by Roberto Savio, this
volume is a compendium of contributions on different
themes that are central to fostering a broad public
debate on communication and information issues in
today's knowledge society. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/403/ 

OPEN CONTENT SHOULD BE KING: COPYRIGHT & DIGITAL
JUSTICE
 [By Ralf Peter Reimann] Content is king, says the
slogan, and content - texts, pictures, audio files and
video streams -is the hot commodity of the information
society. 
In the early days of the net, content was free, but
this is changing. What should we do about it?
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/405/

FREE SPEECH IN THAILAND: WACC SCHOLAR TAKES ON MEDIA
GIANT AND PRIME MINISTER IN FREEDOM OF SPEECH CASE
[By Sean Hawkey] Thaksin Shinawatra, in Thailand, has
a lot in common with Silvio Berlusconi in Italy. Both
are dominant media and telecommunications tycoons,
both are 
Prime Minister of their country, both are
billionaires, each is reputed to be the wealthiest man
in their country, and both stand accused of serious
conflict of interest between their political post and
their massive media business interests. Supinya
Klangnarong, a WACC scholar, is locked in a legal
battle with Thaksin Shinawatra’s Shin Corp in what is
becoming a landmark case on freedom of speech.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/402/

GET A LIFE: TURN OFF YOUR TV
 [By Tom Cowin] An estimated five million people took
part in TV Turn-Off Week 
organized recently by the International Turn Off TV
campaign in the US and the International Campaign
Against Television, White Dot. The campaign is
supported by groups such as the American Federation of
Teachers, the American Medical Association and the
Association of Library Services to Children.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/406

¿QUIERE PARTICIPAR? FIRME LA CARTA DE CRIS
Nuestra visión de la Sociedad de la Información se
fundamenta en el Derecho a Comunicar como un medio de
acrecentar los derechos humanos y fortalecer la vida
social, económica y cultural de las personas y las
comunidades. Para lograrlo, resulta fundamental que
las organizaciones de la sociedad civil se unan para
cooperar en la construcción de una sociedad de la
información basada en principios de transparencia,
diversidad, participación, justicia social y
económica, e inspiradas por la equidad de género y las
perspectivas culturales y regionales. Lo invitamos a
conocer más sobre la Campaña de CRIS y a participar
firmando la Carta de CRIS: 
http://scripts.planetgrey.org/cris/sign_charter_form.html
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/97/ 

LA CHARTE DE CRIS
Notre vision de la «société de l’information» est
basée sur le droit de communiquer qui est considéré
comme un moyen pour étendre les droits de l’homme et
améliorer la vie sociale, économique et culturelle des
personnes et des communautés. Pour cela, il est
essentiel que les organisations de la société civile
se réunissent afin d’aider à la construction d’une
société de l’information basée sur les principes de
transparence, de diversité, de participation et de
justice économique et sociale et inspirée par une
approche équitable du rapport des sexes, de la culture
et des aspects régionaux.
http://scripts.planetgrey.org/cris/sign_charter_form.html
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/95/

WOULD YOU LIKE TO GET INVOLVED? ENDORSE THE CRIS
CHARTER
Our vision of the 'Information Society' is grounded in
the Right to Communicate, as a means to enhance human
rights and to strengthen the social, economic and
cultural lives of people and communities. Crucial to
this is that civil society organisations come together
to help build an information society based on
principles of transparency, diversity, participation
and social and economic justice, and inspired by
equitable gender, cultural and regional perspectives.
We invite you to read more about CRIS Campaign and get
involved endorsing the CRIS Chapter:
http://scripts.planetgrey.org/cris/sign_charter_form.html
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/98/ 

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From echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar  Wed Sep 15 18:50:59 2004
From: echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar (Enrique A.Chaparro)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [governance] Thinking about
Message-ID: <20040915175059.EEE8B6C619@honorio.sinectis.com.ar>

[...snip...] 
> them to be discussed as governance issues in their own right.  As I 
> have said about several other issues, I think this determination is 
> something that should be on the early agenda of the WGIG and should 
> include: determination of appropriateness of the topic, discussion of 
> other work being done on the topic, and the determination of the 
> ability of the WGIG both to work with organizations involved in this 
> area and to affect that work.
> 
In fact, a strong statement on the first issue would make the
other two senseless. If any governance is needed in the Internet,
it is for giving the users reasonable assurance that an IP packet
sent from a source IP address will reach its destination IP 
address. Therefore, the best I could expect from WGIG would be:
- A strong statement establishing that copyright issues do not
  belong to the field of Internet governance;
- A recommendation to all standards bodies (i.e. IETF, W3C, ...)
  stating that software patents are incompatible with Internet's
  basic interoperabilty, i.e., the subject of governance, and
  should therefore be avoided in any standards; and
- Another statement regarding trademark issues, establishing that
  they do not belong to the field of Internet governance since
  national laws and international agreements already deal with
  such issues, and therefore that supranational coercitive (and
  contrary to fair process) polices as ICANN's domain name UDRP
  are out of the scope of IG.
Of course, I'm thinking of the best... but preparing for the
worst :)

Regards from the Far South,

Enrique
-- 
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              --Virgilio, Eneida, 2:324

From vb at bertola.eu.org  Thu Sep 16 08:48:54 2004
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [governance] Thinking about
In-Reply-To: <20040915175059.EEE8B6C619@honorio.sinectis.com.ar>
References: <20040915175059.EEE8B6C619@honorio.sinectis.com.ar>
Message-ID: <1095320934.3726.75.camel@croce>

Il mer, 2004-09-15 alle 19:50, Enrique A.Chaparro ha scritto:
> address. Therefore, the best I could expect from WGIG would be:
> - A strong statement establishing that copyright issues do not
>   belong to the field of Internet governance;
> - A recommendation to all standards bodies (i.e. IETF, W3C, ...)
>   stating that software patents are incompatible with Internet's
>   basic interoperabilty, i.e., the subject of governance, and
>   should therefore be avoided in any standards; and

I see these two things as contradictory. If copyright issues do not
belong to Internet governance, then Internet governance bodies should
not care about the copyright / patent status of any standard. If on the
other hand, as I think, it is important that Internet standards are kept
absolutely patent-free, then Internet governance bodies have to deal at
least with this issue.

Personally, I think that IP problems are now underlying all aspects of
our society - in a certain sense, freedom of access to information
should become an extension of the classical human rights. As such, I
don't think that you can say that there is any governance field that is
exempt from IP considerations.

But, of course, you may ask that the WGIG does not deal with patents and
copyright *in general* - that is, outside of the administration of the
Internet.

> Regards from the Far South,

Regards from any place on the planet :-)
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 16 08:44:46 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] working Group on Financing Mechanism
Message-ID: <20040916074446.38737.qmail@web60710.mail.yahoo.com>

I would like to introduce myself first: I am Djilali
Benamrane, with a life-long experience with financing
sustainable development. some 20 years as UNDP senior
economist dealing in many West Africa Countries with
Resource Mobilisation, Round Tables, Consultative
Groups, Sectorial and thematic meetings, Debt problems
etc...
I support the idea that Effective Financial Mechanisms
to implement the existing and future recommendations
are of prime importance, otherwise they are going to
be empty words, to the people from the South.
Therefore, I would like to call the Civil Society to
form a working group in order that Civil Society could
interface more efficiently with the Task Force on
Financing Mechanisms.
Too few people from the South have been able to take
initiative in the WSIS Civil Society. I have been
encouraged to take this initiative by many friends
from the French-speaking Civil Society and in
particular by Dr. Francis Muguet who is currently
writing a proposal to give an international public law
status to Multi-stakeholders Partnerships, which may
constitute an important tool for financing and
implementing recommendations.  Besides Francis  who is
supporting me by providing Web and mailing list
support,  I would like to invite other also persons,
to help me coordinate this effort, may be another
person from South America would be a good choice.
Please feel free to contact
Concerning the formation of the group itself, you are
all invited to register to the mailing list : 
finance@wtis.org which can be done through the page
  http://mail.wtis.org/wws/subrequest/finance
  The web site  http://www.wsis-finance.org is online
but still under construction
Résume en Français qui donnera lieu à un message plus
complet.
Je me presente Djilali Benamrane avec une experience
significative en matière de financement des
initiatives et de developpement notamment dans les
instances du PNUD en Afrique de l'Ouest ou j'ai exercé
comme economiste principal en charge de la
mobilisation des ressources, des tables rondes et
groupes consultatifs. Je suis aussi concerné par les
débats sur la préparation du sommet de Tunis, sa tenue
et son suivi.
Avec beaucoup d'amis africains, d'amis francophone et
d'animateurs et participants aux débats thématiques
traitant du SMSI, nous pensons qu'il serait grand
temps de mettre en place un groupe de travail sur ces
problèmes et de préparer des analyses et propositions
qui pourront enrichir les débats. 
Ceux qui partagent cette préoccupation peuvent donner
leur avis en se joignant aux débats sur la liste : 
http://mail.wtis.org/wws/subrequest/finance
ou consulter le site web  http://www.wsis-finance.org
en construction.
Amitiés
Djilali



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From svalais at sgae.es  Thu Sep 16 08:44:30 2004
From: svalais at sgae.es (Sophie Valais)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Mailing list
Message-ID: <OF85C2769A.09FD9C58-ONC1256F11.002A86BD-C1256F11.002A86CB@sgae.es>

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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Thu Sep 16 09:41:23 2004
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Thinking about "intellectual property"isa
	mistake
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References: <s146c991.085@gwia201.syr.edu>
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Il mer, 2004-09-15 alle 17:42, Richard Stallman ha scritto:
> Since on the issues of patents and copyrights there is no opportunity
> for the WGIG to make things better, only worse, 

Are you sure? I mean, which other opportunities do we have?

As the recent actions by the European Parliament and institutions and by
the Italian Parliament show to me, acting at the national and regional
parliamentary level is very difficult; that's the kind of places where
IP lobbying is stronger.

On the other hand, if we succeed in creating a productive dialogue in a
small and balanced group of smart people, the strength of our arguments
might be sufficient to reach support at least in the governmental
participants, if not in the private sector representatives.

I personally took the floor in March in NY at the UN ICT Task Force
meeting, at one of the side sessions, and made a long intervention with
practical examples of how DRM systems and commercial oligopolies
actually limit your possibilities for self-enhancement and access to
culture and information. As a result, during the final plenary session,
the moderator of my session - a gentleman from ITU which I didn't know
before - got to the point of stating in front of 300 participants in the
UN ECOSOC chamber something on the line of "there possibly is the need
to revise the entire way we manage intellectual property rights".

I am not so naive to think that things can change so easily, but I think
that if you say the right words at the right moment, with a constructive
approach, you can actually create consensus around some simple first
steps, and start to reverse the current trend. And once you get some
principles recognized at the highest level, it might be easier to go to
your own government and parliamentarians and say "look, this has been
discussed at the UN, and these are the recommendations - why do you want
to do the exact opposite?".

But of course this requires care and strategy - if CS members of the
WGIG realize that the environment is not positive to our considerations,
they should then try to stop the discussion. But only then.
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From webmaster at nilebasin.com  Fri Sep 17 10:58:19 2004
From: webmaster at nilebasin.com (Nabil El-Khodari)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Thinking about "intellectual property"isamistake
In-Reply-To: <1095324082.3726.98.camel@croce>
Message-ID: <002b01c49c9c$dc6c1ac0$767ba8c0@compaq>

In Canada 40% of businesses use pirated software according to an article I
had recently read (though I do not have a reference). I see that in
developing countries who had the courage not to act on international
"intellectual property" laws in spite of pressures and lures are the ones
who have achieved excellent progress in ICT manpower development
(software-wise).

Developing countries should be encouraged to ignore such laws as a group.

Sincerely,
 
Nabil El-Khodari
Founder/Treasurer
Nile Basin Society
Tel.: +1 (647) 722-3256
Fax: +1 (647) 722-3273	 

http://nilebasin.com
http://nilebasin.net
http://nile.ca 	
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Toronto, Ontario, M9R 3Y3
Canada	 

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From echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar  Thu Sep 16 14:59:40 2004
From: echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar (Enrique A. Chaparro)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [governance] Thinking about
Message-ID: <20040916135940.58D8A6C635@honorio.sinectis.com.ar>

> I see these two things as contradictory. If copyright issues do not
> belong to Internet governance, then Internet governance bodies should
> not care about the copyright / patent status of any standard. If on the
> other hand, as I think, it is important that Internet standards are kept
> absolutely patent-free, then Internet governance bodies have to deal at
> least with this issue.
Dear Vittorio,
Excuse me, but I don't see the contradiction here. If you read
again, I wrote that __copyright__ issues do not belong to the
field of Internet governance. I'm afraid you fell into the
`IPR confusion', a good evidence of why RMS is right when 
insisting that the so-called `IPR' must be kept separated.
A copyrighted standard (in fact, copyrighted text and reference
code describing the standard) does not prevent the creation and
use of a program implementing it. But a standard including 
patented technologies does.
For what I see, we agree in the second point of my `wish list'.

OTOH, I also believe that PCT issues permeate all aspects of our
society. Freedom of information IS a fundamental human right (see
Articles 19 and 27 of UDHR) even if transnational corporations
and many governments make their best efforts to deny it. But,
at the same time, I insist that `Internet governance' (in the sense
of a system of mandatory transnational rules, a set of bodies 
responsible for enforcing such rules, and a public oversight
system) should be limited to whatever is necessary to ensure
smooth traffic of IP packets from source to destination. In that
sense, standards including patented technologies prevent the
required `smoothness', but copyright and trademark issues are
completely out of scope (and should be dealt with elsewhere).

Regards from the Far South (and thanks for an enriching discussion)

Enrique
-- 
Venit summa dies et ineluctable tempus.
              --Virgilio, Eneida, 2:324

From vb at bertola.eu.org  Thu Sep 16 16:22:10 2004
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [governance] Thinking about
In-Reply-To: <20040916135940.58D8A6C635@honorio.sinectis.com.ar>
References: <20040916135940.58D8A6C635@honorio.sinectis.com.ar>
Message-ID: <1095348130.3726.726.camel@croce>

Il gio, 2004-09-16 alle 15:59, Enrique A. Chaparro ha scritto:
> A copyrighted standard (in fact, copyrighted text and reference
> code describing the standard) does not prevent the creation and
> use of a program implementing it.

It depends. If the only way to have access to the text describing the
standard is to pay hundreds of dollars|euros|whatever, and copyright
prevents you from having access to that text in other ways, then
copyright might also be in the way of free implementation of the
standard (this often happened with ITU standards, by the way). It
certainly is a minor constraint if compared to the dangers of a patented
standard (see the recent Sender ID issue...) but it still is a
significant constraint if you're accessing the standard for
non-commercial purposes.

I think all Internet standards should be freely reproductible (which, as
you know, does not mean copyright-free, but rather subject to a free
license).

> at the same time, I insist that `Internet governance' (in the sense
> of a system of mandatory transnational rules, a set of bodies 
> responsible for enforcing such rules, and a public oversight
> system) should be limited to whatever is necessary to ensure
> smooth traffic of IP packets from source to destination. 

I and many other people that usually attend ICANN meetings spent a good
part of the last year opposing a new service by VeriSign, the operator
of the .com / .net registry, named SiteFinder. This service altered the
way DNS works (DNS is the distributed database system that allows you to
know which server corresponds to a given domain name) so that whenever
you asked for a non-existing domain name, the registry would tell you
that its own servers were hosting that domain name, and (if you were
using the Web) present you with a search page.

This service *did* alter substantially the route of IP packets, but also
had deep consequences in terms of:

- business (other search engine companies were prevented from supplying
the same service at the user level);

- marketing (VeriSign could survey users' behaviour and mistypings);

- privacy (VeriSign could intercept data or send cookies to users who
never wanted to reach their servers);

- trademarks / personal names protection (VeriSign was actually showing
a web page for strings that could have been under other people's
control);

- network stability (plenty of applications that relied on the original
behaviour of the DNS instantly ceased to function);

- technology (other innovations were prevented, and the fundamental
principle of layer independence was broken);

etc... - all of this on a global scale.

In your opinion, is regulation of such a service part of "Internet
governance", or not? 

I don't think you can part some of these aspects from the others, and
discuss them separately in different places. I have been spending years
on this subject now, and I am more and more convinced that it's almost
impossible. And by multiplying the forums you make it more difficult for
the less organized and financed actors - that is, us - to coherently
lobby for a global result.

> In that
> sense, standards including patented technologies prevent the
> required `smoothness', but copyright and trademark issues are
> completely out of scope (and should be dealt with elsewhere).

Where? At WIPO? :-/

I see the WGIG as a huge chance to quietly start a new governance model
on information society matters, starting from a tiny bit and then moving
up towards places where we never had a say, such as WIPO or WTO. I think
that, if the final composition of the WGIG is actually satisfactory and
balanced, and if we are smart enough to exploit this opportunity, we
have plenty to earn from this adventure.

> Regards from the Far South (and thanks for an enriching discussion)

Thank you too :)
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From omarino at laneta.apc.org  Wed Sep 15 16:33:48 2004
From: omarino at laneta.apc.org (Olinca Marino)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Desde LAC / from LAC
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040915102022.022da088@laneta.apc.org>

(English translation below)

Estimados/as amigos/as de sociedad civil participantes en la CMSI:

1.Si bien durante la primera fase de la Cumbre se logr?,  a trav?s de la
lista electr?nica lac@wsis-cs.org, un nivel aceptable de articulaci?n del
Caucus de Sociedad Civil de LAC para la CMSI, que orient? en gran medida
la participaci?n de personas y organizaciones de la regi?n, miembros del
caucus, en las reuniones preparatorias y en la Cumbre en s?, durante los
?ltimos meses ha resultado imposible arribar a consensos m?nimos y
trabajar propositiva y positivamente empleando esa misma lista electr?nica.

2. Antes de este per?odo de dificultades, el Caucus LAC se interpretaba
como equivalente a lista lac@wsis-cs.org. A partir de este momento
asumimos que el Caucus LAC se reconoce como el conjunto de todas las OSC
de LAC que quieren trabajar en la Cumbre, est?n o no registradas en la
lista lac@wsis-cs.org.  Por tanto, demandamos que el Caucus LAC est?
representado por diversos/as grupos/coaliciones que trabajan en
diversos/as listas electr?nicas y encuentros pres?nciales.

3. Los debates e intercambios al interior de la lista lac@wsis-cs.org  en
los meses siguientes a la culminaci?n de la primera fase de la CMSI e
inicios de la segunda, han estado marcados por un tono de confrontaci?n y
acusaci?n, tanto a individuos como a organizaciones.  Dicha situaci?n se
torn? inaceptable para nuestras organizaciones, que han construido por
d?cadas mecanismos de colaboraci?n y respeto mutuo. Creemos firmemente que
la cr?tica es un elemento importante para avanzar, sin embargo, estamos
convencidos que la prepotencia, el cuestionamiento apresurado o mal
informado, el desmerecimiento, la imposibilidad de aceptar visiones y
criterios distintos a los propios, entre otras cosas, han contribuido para
convertir a la lista lac@wsis-cs.org en un espacio para el silencio de
muchos y un pretendido lucimiento de pocos.  Los diversos intentos por
retomar los objetivos y establecer una estructura de trabajo y operaci?n
clara, efectiva y espec?fica no fueron valorados positivamente por un
grupo de miembros del caucus y condujo a un silencio mayoritario como
respuesta, que reconocemos como rechazo a ese proceder.

4. Los objetivos originales del caucus se han perdido. El Caucus LAC fue
creado para ser un espacio de coordinaci?n y trabajo de miembros sociedad
civil en el marco de la CMSI. En ese sentido, se ha perdido un espacio
virtual para la reflexi?n y debate de los temas que interesan a la regi?n,
la generaci?n de posiciones y acciones concertadas, el desarrollo de
aportes espec?ficos al proceso de la CMSI, tanto dentro de las esferas
formales de la Cumbre, como a procesos alternativos locales, nacionales,
regionales y mundiales.

5. Es nuestra intenci?n potenciar y fortalecer herramientas alternativas,
m?s constructivas, para nuestra participaci?n en la segunda fase de la
Cumbre, tal como lo hicimos en la primera.

6. Proponemos lo siguiente:
- Fortalecer nuestros espacios alternativos, creados antes y durante el
proceso de la CMSI, para trabajar en distintas ?reas relacionadas con las
TIC para el desarrollo, sobre la base de acuerdos, visiones e intereses
comunes, y ampliarlos con base en criterios claros y espec?ficos.
- Articular nuestras agendas organizacionales/institucionales de trabajo
ante la CMSI
- Fortalecer nuestras alianzas con diversos actores y sectores
- Participar activamente (e incidir) en el proceso de la Cumbre, tal como
lo hemos venido haciendo, desde espacios alternativos, con propuestas
concretas de trabajo y acci?n, optimizando nuestro tiempo, recursos y
potencialidades
- Estimular procesos regionales y nacionales orientados a la promoci?n del
uso estrat?gico de las TIC para el desarrollo y el involucramiento m?s
efectivo y real  de la sociedad civil a los procesos de pol?ticas de TIC

7. La lista lac@wsis-cs.org no es al momento, seg?n nuestro punto de
vista, un espacio regional y no la reconocemos como el ?nico espacio
electr?nico de discusi?n del Caucus LAC.  La lista lac@wsis-cs.org se ha
convertido en un espacio para la expresi?n de visiones y posiciones desde
una sola perspectiva impositiva que no refleja la diversidad y riqueza de
las OSC latinoamericanas, por lo que no pueden representar, por s? mismos,
a la regi?n en la Cumbre. La lista lac@wsis-cs.org no ofrece al momento
las condiciones b?sicas para el desarrollo del trabajo con el que nuestras
organizaciones est?n comprometidas. Como herramienta de trabajo perdi? su
noci?n de construcci?n democr?tica colectiva y se desvi? ampliamente de
los objetivos para la que fue creada.

8. Si bien no nos atribuimos la representatividad de organizaciones de
sociedad civil de la regi?n trabajando con las TIC para el desarrollo,
demandamos ser reconocidos como un grupo de LAC activo frente a instancias
oficiales y oficiosas de la CMSI, y como parte del Caucus LAC.

9. Con esta carta queremos enfatizar en el hecho de que no hay un espacio
?nico que nos represente y que creemos que podemos avanzar en la diversidad.

10. Finalmente, nuestra estrategia est? orientada a articular iniciativas
con otras organizaciones. Nuestros espacios alternativos est?n
permanentemente abiertos a organizaciones de sociedad civil que se
identifiquen con los principios, visiones, objetivos y mecanismos de
trabajo que compartimos y concuerden con los criterios de operaci?n,
coordinaci?n y respeto acordados.

Dafne Plou, Programa Regional Apoyo a Redes de Mujeres, LAC, APC
Gustavo G?mez, Asociaci?n Mundial de Radios Comunitarias, AMARC-ALC
Pablo Accuosto, Instituto del Tercer Mundo, ITEM
Erick Iriarte, Alfa-Redi
Daniel Pimienta, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
Luis Germ?n Rodr?guez, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
Valeria Betancourt, Proyecto Monitor de Pol?ticas de TIC en LAC, APC.
Eduardo Santoyo, Red Cient?fica Peruana, RCP
Olinca Marino, LaNeta
Paulo Lima, Red de Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector, RITS
Carlos Afonso, Red de Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector, RITS
Holanda Castro. Centro de Estudios de la Mujer de la Universidad Central de
Venezuela
Magaly Pazello, Development Alternatives with Women for a New Era-DAWN



-----------> ENGLISH  (TRANSLATION)

Dear friends of civil society participing in the CMSI:

1. During the first stage of the Summit the electronic list <lac@wsis-cs.org>,
provided an acceptable level of cohesion and articulation within the
LAC Civil Society Caucus for the WSIS, which to a great extent managed
to facilitate the participation of people and organizations of the region,
members of the Caucus, in the preparatory meetings and in the Summit itself.
However, during the last months, it has been impossible to reach minimum 
consensus
and to work and make proposals together and positively, using that same 
electronic list.

2. Before this period of difficulties, the LAC Caucus  was understood as
<lac@wsis-cs.org>. Now we assumed that the LAC Caucus is recognized as the
set of all the OSC of LAC that want to work in the Summit, being or not
registered or active in the list <lac@wsis-cs.org>. Therefore, we claim 
that LAC
Caucus shall be represented by diverse groups/networks that work in diverse
electronic and/or face to face meetings.

3. During the months following the completion of the first stage of the
WSIS and beginning of the second stage, the debates and interchanges within the
<lac@wsis-cs.org> list have been characterized by confrontations and 
accusations,
to individuals and organizations. This situation became unacceptable for
our organizations, whose mechanisms of collaboration and mutual respect 
have been
constructed during the past fifteen years. We do firmly believe that 
criticism is
an element important for progress, nevertheless, we are convinced that 
arrogancy,
questionning without doing fair inquiries or starting from wrong information or
prejudices, the impossibility to accept visions and criteria different from 
the one's,
among other things, have contributed to turn the list <lac@wsis-cs.org> into
a space for the silence of many and the attempt of protagonism of a few.
The diverse attempts to retake the objectives and to establish a structure
of work and a clear, effective and specific operation were not valued
positively by a group of members of the Caucus and lead to a silence of
the majority as an answer, which we interprete as a rejection of that behavior.

4. The original objectives of this Caucus are lost. LAC Caucus was
created to be a space of coordination and work between civil society members
within the framework of the WSIS. In that sense, a virtual space for the
reflection and debates of the themes of interest for our region
has been lost, as well as the generation of positions and coordinated 
operations,
the development of specific contributions to the WSIS process, within the 
formal
and non formal process of the Summit, as for local, national, regional or 
world-wide
alternative processes.

5. It is our intention to harness and to fortify alternative and constructive
resources for our participation in the second phase of the Summit, as we did it
in the first phase.

6. We propose the following:
- To fortify our alternative spaces, created before and during the process
of the CMSI, to work in different areas related to ICT4D, on the base of
common agreements, visions and interests, and to extend them based on clear
and specific criteria.
- To articulate our organizacionales/institucionales working agendas for 
the WSIS
- To fortify our alliances with diverse actors and sectors
- To participate (and to affect) the process of the Summit actively,
as we have been doing, from alternative voices, with concrete
proposals of work and action, optimizing our time, resources and
potentialities
- To stimulate regional and national processes oriented to the
promotion of the strategic use of ICT4D and the most effective
and real involvement of the civil society to the processes of ICT policies

7. The list <lac@wsis-cs.org> is not any more, in our opinion,
a regional space and we do not acknowldge it as the only
electronic space of discussion of Caucus LAC. The list <lac@wsis-cs.org>
has be turned into a space for the expression of visions and positions from a
single and impositive perspective that does not reflect the diversity and 
wealth
of the Latin American SCO; for that reasons it cannot represent, by itself,
our region in the Summit. The list <lac@wsis-cs.org> does not offer
at this time the basic conditions for the development of the work
which our organizations are committed with. As a working tool, it has lost
the value of collective and democratic construction and has widely twisted 
aside
the objectives for which it was created.

8. Although we do not pretend to the representativeness of civil society
organizations of the region working in the field of ICT4D, we claim to be
recognized as an active group of LAC by official and non official instances
of the WSIS, and as part of the LAC Caucus.

9. With this letter we want to emphasize the fact that there is no
unique space that represents our region and that we think that we can
progress in the diversity.

10. Finally, our strategy is oriented to articulate initiatives with
other organizations. Our alternative spaces are permanently open to
organizations of civil society who are identified with the principles,
visions, objectives and mechanisms of work that we shared and agree
with the criteria of operation, agreed coordination and respect.

Dafne Plou, Regional Program Support to Networks of Women, LAC, APC
Gustavo G?mez, World-wide Association of Community Radios, AMARC-ALC
Pablo Accuosto, Institute of the Third World, ITEM
Erick Iriarte, Alfa-Redi
Daniel Pimienta, Networks and Development Foundation, Funredes
Luis Germ?n Rodriguez, Networks and Development Foundation, Funredes
Valeria Betancourt, Project Monitor of ICT Policies in LAC, APC
Eduardo Santoyo, Peruvian Scientific Network, RCP
Marino Olinca, LaNeta
Paulo Lima, Alert network for the Third Sector, RITS
Carlos Afonso, Alert network for the Third Sector, RITS
Holanda Castro. Woman Studies Center.  Universidad Central de
Venezuela
Pazello Magaly, Development Alternatives with Women for a New Era-DAWN


From rikp at earthlink.net  Thu Sep 16 18:19:59 2004
From: rikp at earthlink.net (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] Desde LAC / from LAC
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040915102022.022da088@laneta.apc.org>
References: <6.1.0.6.0.20040915102022.022da088@laneta.apc.org>
Message-ID: <A375357A-0804-11D9-9C92-000A9575083C@earthlink.net>

Hi Olinca,

I am sorry to read this email from you, although I am not particularly 
surprised given the many conflicting views among groups active in the 
region.  In my view, our goal as civil society is build as much 
consensus and cooperation as possible, without diluting our voice or 
masking our diversity. For some regions and caucuses, strong consensus 
positions are still possible, but for others the caucuses may only 
serve as meeting points for different initiatives to report back to 
each other.

The LAC caucus exemplifies for me the need for like-minded groupings of 
civil society to be able to work effectively within our structures, 
even if they do not purport to represent all the views of groups from a 
particular region or within a particular family.  This is how civil 
society has worked within other processes, such as the UN Commission on 
Human Rights, Porto Alegre, and other UN conferences.

I wish you good luck and success in your work.

Rik Panganiban

------------------------------------------------------------

En espa?ol, de Babelfish:

Ola Olinca,

Estoy apesadumbrado de leer este email de usted, aunque no estoy 
sorprendido particularmente dado las muchas visi?nes que est?n en 
conflicto entre los grupos activos en la regi?n. En mi opini?n, nuestra 
meta como sociedad civil es estructura tanto consenso y cooperaci?n 
como sea posible, sin diluir nuestra voz o enmascarar nuestra 
diversidad. Para algunas regiones y caucuses, las posiciones fuertes 
del consenso siguen siendo posibles, pero para otros los caucuses 
pueden servir solamente como puntos de la reuni?n para diversas 
iniciativas al informe de nuevo a uno a.

El caucus de la LAC ejemplifica para m? la necesidad de agrupaciones 
semejantes de la sociedad civil de poder trabajar con eficacia dentro 
de nuestras estructuras, incluso si no pretenden representar todas las 
opiniones grupos de una regi?n particular o dentro de una familia 
particular. ?ste es c?mo la sociedad civil ha trabajado dentro de otros 
procesos, tales como la Comisi?n de la O.N.U en derechos humanos, Porto 
Alegre, y otras conferencias de la O.N.U.

Mucho suerte y exito en su trabajo.

Rik Panganiban

------------------------------------------------------------


En Fran?ais, de Babelfish:


Salut Olinca,

Je suis d?sol? de lire cet email de vous, bien que je ne sois pas en 
particulier ?tonn? donn? les nombreux avis contradictoires parmi des 
groupes actifs dans la r?gion. Dans ma vue, notre but en tant que 
soci?t? civile est construction autant consensus et coop?ration comme 
possible, sans diluer notre voix ou masquer notre diversit?. ? quelques 
r?gions et comit?s, les positions fortes de consensus sont encore 
possibles, mais pour d'autres les comit?s peuvent seulement servir de 
points de r?union ? diff?rentes initiatives au rapport de nouveau ? 
l'un l'autre.

Le comit? de LAC exemplifie pour moi le besoin des groupes de 
"like-minded" de la soci?t? civile de pouvoir travailler efficacement 
dans nos structures, m?me si ils ne pr?tendent pas repr?senter toutes 
les vues des groupes d'une r?gion particuli?re ou chez une famille 
particuli?re. C'est comment la soci?t? civile a travaill? dans d'autres 
processus, tels que la Commission de l'ONU sur les droits de l'homme, 
Porto Alegre, et d'autres conf?rences de l'ONU.

Rik Panganiban


On Sep 15, 2004, at 11:33 AM, Olinca Marino wrote:

> (English translation below)
>
> Estimados/as amigos/as de sociedad civil participantes en la CMSI:
>
> 1.Si bien durante la primera fase de la Cumbre se logr?,  a trav?s de 
> la
> lista electr?nica lac@wsis-cs.org, un nivel aceptable de articulaci?n 
> del
> Caucus de Sociedad Civil de LAC para la CMSI, que orient? en gran 
> medida
> la participaci?n de personas y organizaciones de la regi?n, miembros 
> del
> caucus, en las reuniones preparatorias y en la Cumbre en s?, durante 
> los
> ?ltimos meses ha resultado imposible arribar a consensos m?nimos y
> trabajar propositiva y positivamente empleando esa misma lista 
> electr?nica.
>
> 2. Antes de este per?odo de dificultades, el Caucus LAC se interpretaba
> como equivalente a lista lac@wsis-cs.org. A partir de este momento
> asumimos que el Caucus LAC se reconoce como el conjunto de todas las 
> OSC
> de LAC que quieren trabajar en la Cumbre, est?n o no registradas en la
> lista lac@wsis-cs.org.  Por tanto, demandamos que el Caucus LAC est?
> representado por diversos/as grupos/coaliciones que trabajan en
> diversos/as listas electr?nicas y encuentros pres?nciales.
>
> 3. Los debates e intercambios al interior de la lista lac@wsis-cs.org  
> en
> los meses siguientes a la culminaci?n de la primera fase de la CMSI e
> inicios de la segunda, han estado marcados por un tono de 
> confrontaci?n y
> acusaci?n, tanto a individuos como a organizaciones.  Dicha situaci?n 
> se
> torn? inaceptable para nuestras organizaciones, que han construido por
> d?cadas mecanismos de colaboraci?n y respeto mutuo. Creemos firmemente 
> que
> la cr?tica es un elemento importante para avanzar, sin embargo, estamos
> convencidos que la prepotencia, el cuestionamiento apresurado o mal
> informado, el desmerecimiento, la imposibilidad de aceptar visiones y
> criterios distintos a los propios, entre otras cosas, han contribuido 
> para
> convertir a la lista lac@wsis-cs.org en un espacio para el silencio de
> muchos y un pretendido lucimiento de pocos.  Los diversos intentos por
> retomar los objetivos y establecer una estructura de trabajo y 
> operaci?n
> clara, efectiva y espec?fica no fueron valorados positivamente por un
> grupo de miembros del caucus y condujo a un silencio mayoritario como
> respuesta, que reconocemos como rechazo a ese proceder.
>
> 4. Los objetivos originales del caucus se han perdido. El Caucus LAC 
> fue
> creado para ser un espacio de coordinaci?n y trabajo de miembros 
> sociedad
> civil en el marco de la CMSI. En ese sentido, se ha perdido un espacio
> virtual para la reflexi?n y debate de los temas que interesan a la 
> regi?n,
> la generaci?n de posiciones y acciones concertadas, el desarrollo de
> aportes espec?ficos al proceso de la CMSI, tanto dentro de las esferas
> formales de la Cumbre, como a procesos alternativos locales, 
> nacionales,
> regionales y mundiales.
>
> 5. Es nuestra intenci?n potenciar y fortalecer herramientas 
> alternativas,
> m?s constructivas, para nuestra participaci?n en la segunda fase de la
> Cumbre, tal como lo hicimos en la primera.
>
> 6. Proponemos lo siguiente:
> - Fortalecer nuestros espacios alternativos, creados antes y durante el
> proceso de la CMSI, para trabajar en distintas ?reas relacionadas con 
> las
> TIC para el desarrollo, sobre la base de acuerdos, visiones e intereses
> comunes, y ampliarlos con base en criterios claros y espec?ficos.
> - Articular nuestras agendas organizacionales/institucionales de 
> trabajo
> ante la CMSI
> - Fortalecer nuestras alianzas con diversos actores y sectores
> - Participar activamente (e incidir) en el proceso de la Cumbre, tal 
> como
> lo hemos venido haciendo, desde espacios alternativos, con propuestas
> concretas de trabajo y acci?n, optimizando nuestro tiempo, recursos y
> potencialidades
> - Estimular procesos regionales y nacionales orientados a la promoci?n 
> del
> uso estrat?gico de las TIC para el desarrollo y el involucramiento m?s
> efectivo y real  de la sociedad civil a los procesos de pol?ticas de 
> TIC
>
> 7. La lista lac@wsis-cs.org no es al momento, seg?n nuestro punto de
> vista, un espacio regional y no la reconocemos como el ?nico espacio
> electr?nico de discusi?n del Caucus LAC.  La lista lac@wsis-cs.org se 
> ha
> convertido en un espacio para la expresi?n de visiones y posiciones 
> desde
> una sola perspectiva impositiva que no refleja la diversidad y riqueza 
> de
> las OSC latinoamericanas, por lo que no pueden representar, por s? 
> mismos,
> a la regi?n en la Cumbre. La lista lac@wsis-cs.org no ofrece al momento
> las condiciones b?sicas para el desarrollo del trabajo con el que 
> nuestras
> organizaciones est?n comprometidas. Como herramienta de trabajo perdi? 
> su
> noci?n de construcci?n democr?tica colectiva y se desvi? ampliamente de
> los objetivos para la que fue creada.
>
> 8. Si bien no nos atribuimos la representatividad de organizaciones de
> sociedad civil de la regi?n trabajando con las TIC para el desarrollo,
> demandamos ser reconocidos como un grupo de LAC activo frente a 
> instancias
> oficiales y oficiosas de la CMSI, y como parte del Caucus LAC.
>
> 9. Con esta carta queremos enfatizar en el hecho de que no hay un 
> espacio
> ?nico que nos represente y que creemos que podemos avanzar en la 
> diversidad.
>
> 10. Finalmente, nuestra estrategia est? orientada a articular 
> iniciativas
> con otras organizaciones. Nuestros espacios alternativos est?n
> permanentemente abiertos a organizaciones de sociedad civil que se
> identifiquen con los principios, visiones, objetivos y mecanismos de
> trabajo que compartimos y concuerden con los criterios de operaci?n,
> coordinaci?n y respeto acordados.
>
> Dafne Plou, Programa Regional Apoyo a Redes de Mujeres, LAC, APC
> Gustavo G?mez, Asociaci?n Mundial de Radios Comunitarias, AMARC-ALC
> Pablo Accuosto, Instituto del Tercer Mundo, ITEM
> Erick Iriarte, Alfa-Redi
> Daniel Pimienta, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
> Luis Germ?n Rodr?guez, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
> Valeria Betancourt, Proyecto Monitor de Pol?ticas de TIC en LAC, APC.
> Eduardo Santoyo, Red Cient?fica Peruana, RCP
> Olinca Marino, LaNeta
> Paulo Lima, Red de Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector, RITS
> Carlos Afonso, Red de Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector, RITS
> Holanda Castro. Centro de Estudios de la Mujer de la Universidad 
> Central de
> Venezuela
> Magaly Pazello, Development Alternatives with Women for a New Era-DAWN
>
>
>
> -----------> ENGLISH  (TRANSLATION)
>
> Dear friends of civil society participing in the CMSI:
>
> 1. During the first stage of the Summit the electronic list 
> <lac@wsis-cs.org>,
> provided an acceptable level of cohesion and articulation within the
> LAC Civil Society Caucus for the WSIS, which to a great extent managed
> to facilitate the participation of people and organizations of the 
> region,
> members of the Caucus, in the preparatory meetings and in the Summit 
> itself.
> However, during the last months, it has been impossible to reach 
> minimum consensus
> and to work and make proposals together and positively, using that 
> same electronic list.
>
> 2. Before this period of difficulties, the LAC Caucus  was understood 
> as
> <lac@wsis-cs.org>. Now we assumed that the LAC Caucus is recognized as 
> the
> set of all the OSC of LAC that want to work in the Summit, being or not
> registered or active in the list <lac@wsis-cs.org>. Therefore, we 
> claim that LAC
> Caucus shall be represented by diverse groups/networks that work in 
> diverse
> electronic and/or face to face meetings.
>
> 3. During the months following the completion of the first stage of the
> WSIS and beginning of the second stage, the debates and interchanges 
> within the
> <lac@wsis-cs.org> list have been characterized by confrontations and 
> accusations,
> to individuals and organizations. This situation became unacceptable 
> for
> our organizations, whose mechanisms of collaboration and mutual 
> respect have been
> constructed during the past fifteen years. We do firmly believe that 
> criticism is
> an element important for progress, nevertheless, we are convinced that 
> arrogancy,
> questionning without doing fair inquiries or starting from wrong 
> information or
> prejudices, the impossibility to accept visions and criteria different 
> from the one's,
> among other things, have contributed to turn the list 
> <lac@wsis-cs.org> into
> a space for the silence of many and the attempt of protagonism of a 
> few.
> The diverse attempts to retake the objectives and to establish a 
> structure
> of work and a clear, effective and specific operation were not valued
> positively by a group of members of the Caucus and lead to a silence of
> the majority as an answer, which we interprete as a rejection of that 
> behavior.
>
> 4. The original objectives of this Caucus are lost. LAC Caucus was
> created to be a space of coordination and work between civil society 
> members
> within the framework of the WSIS. In that sense, a virtual space for 
> the
> reflection and debates of the themes of interest for our region
> has been lost, as well as the generation of positions and coordinated 
> operations,
> the development of specific contributions to the WSIS process, within 
> the formal
> and non formal process of the Summit, as for local, national, regional 
> or world-wide
> alternative processes.
>
> 5. It is our intention to harness and to fortify alternative and 
> constructive
> resources for our participation in the second phase of the Summit, as 
> we did it
> in the first phase.
>
> 6. We propose the following:
> - To fortify our alternative spaces, created before and during the 
> process
> of the CMSI, to work in different areas related to ICT4D, on the base 
> of
> common agreements, visions and interests, and to extend them based on 
> clear
> and specific criteria.
> - To articulate our organizacionales/institucionales working agendas 
> for the WSIS
> - To fortify our alliances with diverse actors and sectors
> - To participate (and to affect) the process of the Summit actively,
> as we have been doing, from alternative voices, with concrete
> proposals of work and action, optimizing our time, resources and
> potentialities
> - To stimulate regional and national processes oriented to the
> promotion of the strategic use of ICT4D and the most effective
> and real involvement of the civil society to the processes of ICT 
> policies
>
> 7. The list <lac@wsis-cs.org> is not any more, in our opinion,
> a regional space and we do not acknowldge it as the only
> electronic space of discussion of Caucus LAC. The list 
> <lac@wsis-cs.org>
> has be turned into a space for the expression of visions and positions 
> from a
> single and impositive perspective that does not reflect the diversity 
> and wealth
> of the Latin American SCO; for that reasons it cannot represent, by 
> itself,
> our region in the Summit. The list <lac@wsis-cs.org> does not offer
> at this time the basic conditions for the development of the work
> which our organizations are committed with. As a working tool, it has 
> lost
> the value of collective and democratic construction and has widely 
> twisted aside
> the objectives for which it was created.
>
> 8. Although we do not pretend to the representativeness of civil 
> society
> organizations of the region working in the field of ICT4D, we claim to 
> be
> recognized as an active group of LAC by official and non official 
> instances
> of the WSIS, and as part of the LAC Caucus.
>
> 9. With this letter we want to emphasize the fact that there is no
> unique space that represents our region and that we think that we can
> progress in the diversity.
>
> 10. Finally, our strategy is oriented to articulate initiatives with
> other organizations. Our alternative spaces are permanently open to
> organizations of civil society who are identified with the principles,
> visions, objectives and mechanisms of work that we shared and agree
> with the criteria of operation, agreed coordination and respect.
>
> Dafne Plou, Regional Program Support to Networks of Women, LAC, APC
> Gustavo G?mez, World-wide Association of Community Radios, AMARC-ALC
> Pablo Accuosto, Institute of the Third World, ITEM
> Erick Iriarte, Alfa-Redi
> Daniel Pimienta, Networks and Development Foundation, Funredes
> Luis Germ?n Rodriguez, Networks and Development Foundation, Funredes
> Valeria Betancourt, Project Monitor of ICT Policies in LAC, APC
> Eduardo Santoyo, Peruvian Scientific Network, RCP
> Marino Olinca, LaNeta
> Paulo Lima, Alert network for the Third Sector, RITS
> Carlos Afonso, Alert network for the Third Sector, RITS
> Holanda Castro. Woman Studies Center.  Universidad Central de
> Venezuela
> Pazello Magaly, Development Alternatives with Women for a New Era-DAWN
>
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From echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar  Thu Sep 16 18:43:49 2004
From: echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar (Enrique A. Chaparro)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Desde LAC / from LAC
Message-ID: <20040916174349.2185A6C953@honorio.sinectis.com.ar>

> (English translation below)
> 
> Estimados/as amigos/as de sociedad civil participantes en la CMSI:
[...snip...]
> with the criteria of operation, agreed coordination and respect.
[...snip (several signatures)...]

ENGLISH:

Just to avoid any misunderstandings, please let me point out
that the message I'm replying to does not reflect a majority
position among the individuals and organizations taking part
in the WSIS CS LAC Caucus. The document contains a number of
inaccuracies, and in general terms transpires a childish attitude:
``I don't like whatever is discussed in the LAC CS mailing
list, so I declare it's not the LAC CS space anymore'':)
I feel that this list is not an appropriate place for discussing
such attitude.

However, the subject of the message can be misleading, if you
read it as representing LAC. Of course, its signatories are
people from the region, but have no authority at all for speaking
on behalf of LAC (nobody has, BTW). Let me remind you that the
signatories are thirteen people from eleven organizations (some
of them closely related)...

Apologies for bringing this minor issues here, but I'm trying
to avoid the spreading of confusion.

Saludos desde el Lejano Sur,

Enrique

ESPAÑOL:

Sólo para evitar malentendidos, por favor permítanme señalar que
el mensaje al que estoy respondiendo no refleja una posición
mayoritaria entre las personas y organizaciones que forman parte
del Caucus de America Latina y el Caribe de la sociedad civil en
la CMSI. El documento contiene numerosas inexactitudes, y
trasunta una actitud infantil: ``No me gusta lo que se discute
en la lista de correos de la SC de LAC, asi que declaro que
la lista ya no es el espacio de la SC de LAC''. Creo que esta
lista no es el espacio apropiado para discutir esa actitud.

Sin embargo, el asunto del mensaje puede llevar a confusiones,
si se lo lee como representando a LAC. Por supuesto, sus firmantes
son personas de la región, pero carecen de autoridad para hablar
en nombre de LAC (autoridad que, por otra parte, nadie tiene).
Permitanme recordar que los firmantes son trece personas de once
organizaciones, algunas de ellas estrechamente relacionadas...

Acepten mis disculpas por traer estas cuestiones menores a este
espacio, pero esto tratando de evitar la diseminación de
confusiones.

Regards from the Far South,

Enrique
-- 
Venit summa dies et ineluctable tempus.
              --Virgilio, Eneida, 2:324

From busaniche at caminandoutopias.org.ar  Thu Sep 16 19:02:49 2004
From: busaniche at caminandoutopias.org.ar (Beatriz Busaniche)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Desde LAC / from LAC
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040915102022.022da088@laneta.apc.org>
References: <6.1.0.6.0.20040915102022.022da088@laneta.apc.org>
Message-ID: <1095357768.2033.146.camel@linux.local>

spanish below / espa?ol abajo

Democracy doesn't work like this.

I assume with this message that Olinca is leaving her role as focal
point for lac and will go on working in "alternative" and closed spaces.
this message is a violation of every consensus reached within the WSIS,
while our most important consensus is transparency, openess to everybody
who wants to be involved.

all the other people that worked within lac will go on doing so, in a
transparent way, as we made for a long time. 

this alternative places that olinca mentions are closed and someone who
wants to participate there must be "invited". this is not the kind of
work I dreamed for civil society. 

so, I, as a citicen from latin america, will go on working within
lac@wsis-cs.org  the only open, transparent and public mailing list of
our caucus. 

If this group want to have their own private place to work, they could,
it's their right, but they have no right to speak on behalf of latin
american caucus. 

.... 

La democracia no funciona as?. Asumo por el mensaje de olinca que
renuncia a su rol como punto focal del caucus latinoamericano y que
seguir? trabajando en otros espacios alternativos y cerrados. 

Su mensaje es una violaci?n a todos los consensos logrados en el marco
de la CMSI, siendo nuestro m?s importante consenso la "transparencia" y
apertura a todos aquellos que quisieran participar.

Toda la otra gente que ha trabajado en LAC lo seguir? haciendo as?, en
una forma transparente como hemos hecho durante largo tiempo.
Estos lugares alternativos que Olinca menciona son cerrados y alquien
que desee participar all? debe ser invitado. Este no es el tipo de
trabajo que so?amos para la sociedad civil.

As? que , como ciudadana de america latina, voy a seguir trabajando en
el espacio lac@wsis-cs.org,  la ?nica lista abierta, transparente y
publica de nuestro caucus. 

Si estas personas desean armar sus grupos privados de trabajo, pueden
hacerlo, est?n en su derecho. Pero no tienen ning?n derecho a hablar en
nombre del caucus de america latina. 

saludos / regards
Beatriz





El mi?, 15-09-2004 a las 12:33, Olinca Marino escribi?:
> (English translation below)
> 
> Estimados/as amigos/as de sociedad civil participantes en la CMSI:
> 
> 1.Si bien durante la primera fase de la Cumbre se logr?,  a trav?s de la
> lista electr?nica lac@wsis-cs.org, un nivel aceptable de articulaci?n del
> Caucus de Sociedad Civil de LAC para la CMSI, que orient? en gran medida
> la participaci?n de personas y organizaciones de la regi?n, miembros del
> caucus, en las reuniones preparatorias y en la Cumbre en s?, durante los
> ?ltimos meses ha resultado imposible arribar a consensos m?nimos y
> trabajar propositiva y positivamente empleando esa misma lista electr?nica.
> 
> 2. Antes de este per?odo de dificultades, el Caucus LAC se interpretaba
> como equivalente a lista lac@wsis-cs.org. A partir de este momento
> asumimos que el Caucus LAC se reconoce como el conjunto de todas las OSC
> de LAC que quieren trabajar en la Cumbre, est?n o no registradas en la
> lista lac@wsis-cs.org.  Por tanto, demandamos que el Caucus LAC est?
> representado por diversos/as grupos/coaliciones que trabajan en
> diversos/as listas electr?nicas y encuentros pres?nciales.
> 
> 3. Los debates e intercambios al interior de la lista lac@wsis-cs.org  en
> los meses siguientes a la culminaci?n de la primera fase de la CMSI e
> inicios de la segunda, han estado marcados por un tono de confrontaci?n y
> acusaci?n, tanto a individuos como a organizaciones.  Dicha situaci?n se
> torn? inaceptable para nuestras organizaciones, que han construido por
> d?cadas mecanismos de colaboraci?n y respeto mutuo. Creemos firmemente que
> la cr?tica es un elemento importante para avanzar, sin embargo, estamos
> convencidos que la prepotencia, el cuestionamiento apresurado o mal
> informado, el desmerecimiento, la imposibilidad de aceptar visiones y
> criterios distintos a los propios, entre otras cosas, han contribuido para
> convertir a la lista lac@wsis-cs.org en un espacio para el silencio de
> muchos y un pretendido lucimiento de pocos.  Los diversos intentos por
> retomar los objetivos y establecer una estructura de trabajo y operaci?n
> clara, efectiva y espec?fica no fueron valorados positivamente por un
> grupo de miembros del caucus y condujo a un silencio mayoritario como
> respuesta, que reconocemos como rechazo a ese proceder.
> 
> 4. Los objetivos originales del caucus se han perdido. El Caucus LAC fue
> creado para ser un espacio de coordinaci?n y trabajo de miembros sociedad
> civil en el marco de la CMSI. En ese sentido, se ha perdido un espacio
> virtual para la reflexi?n y debate de los temas que interesan a la regi?n,
> la generaci?n de posiciones y acciones concertadas, el desarrollo de
> aportes espec?ficos al proceso de la CMSI, tanto dentro de las esferas
> formales de la Cumbre, como a procesos alternativos locales, nacionales,
> regionales y mundiales.
> 
> 5. Es nuestra intenci?n potenciar y fortalecer herramientas alternativas,
> m?s constructivas, para nuestra participaci?n en la segunda fase de la
> Cumbre, tal como lo hicimos en la primera.
> 
> 6. Proponemos lo siguiente:
> - Fortalecer nuestros espacios alternativos, creados antes y durante el
> proceso de la CMSI, para trabajar en distintas ?reas relacionadas con las
> TIC para el desarrollo, sobre la base de acuerdos, visiones e intereses
> comunes, y ampliarlos con base en criterios claros y espec?ficos.
> - Articular nuestras agendas organizacionales/institucionales de trabajo
> ante la CMSI
> - Fortalecer nuestras alianzas con diversos actores y sectores
> - Participar activamente (e incidir) en el proceso de la Cumbre, tal como
> lo hemos venido haciendo, desde espacios alternativos, con propuestas
> concretas de trabajo y acci?n, optimizando nuestro tiempo, recursos y
> potencialidades
> - Estimular procesos regionales y nacionales orientados a la promoci?n del
> uso estrat?gico de las TIC para el desarrollo y el involucramiento m?s
> efectivo y real  de la sociedad civil a los procesos de pol?ticas de TIC
> 
> 7. La lista lac@wsis-cs.org no es al momento, seg?n nuestro punto de
> vista, un espacio regional y no la reconocemos como el ?nico espacio
> electr?nico de discusi?n del Caucus LAC.  La lista lac@wsis-cs.org se ha
> convertido en un espacio para la expresi?n de visiones y posiciones desde
> una sola perspectiva impositiva que no refleja la diversidad y riqueza de
> las OSC latinoamericanas, por lo que no pueden representar, por s? mismos,
> a la regi?n en la Cumbre. La lista lac@wsis-cs.org no ofrece al momento
> las condiciones b?sicas para el desarrollo del trabajo con el que nuestras
> organizaciones est?n comprometidas. Como herramienta de trabajo perdi? su
> noci?n de construcci?n democr?tica colectiva y se desvi? ampliamente de
> los objetivos para la que fue creada.
> 
> 8. Si bien no nos atribuimos la representatividad de organizaciones de
> sociedad civil de la regi?n trabajando con las TIC para el desarrollo,
> demandamos ser reconocidos como un grupo de LAC activo frente a instancias
> oficiales y oficiosas de la CMSI, y como parte del Caucus LAC.
> 
> 9. Con esta carta queremos enfatizar en el hecho de que no hay un espacio
> ?nico que nos represente y que creemos que podemos avanzar en la diversidad.
> 
> 10. Finalmente, nuestra estrategia est? orientada a articular iniciativas
> con otras organizaciones. Nuestros espacios alternativos est?n
> permanentemente abiertos a organizaciones de sociedad civil que se
> identifiquen con los principios, visiones, objetivos y mecanismos de
> trabajo que compartimos y concuerden con los criterios de operaci?n,
> coordinaci?n y respeto acordados.
> 
> Dafne Plou, Programa Regional Apoyo a Redes de Mujeres, LAC, APC
> Gustavo G?mez, Asociaci?n Mundial de Radios Comunitarias, AMARC-ALC
> Pablo Accuosto, Instituto del Tercer Mundo, ITEM
> Erick Iriarte, Alfa-Redi
> Daniel Pimienta, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
> Luis Germ?n Rodr?guez, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
> Valeria Betancourt, Proyecto Monitor de Pol?ticas de TIC en LAC, APC.
> Eduardo Santoyo, Red Cient?fica Peruana, RCP
> Olinca Marino, LaNeta
> Paulo Lima, Red de Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector, RITS
> Carlos Afonso, Red de Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector, RITS
> Holanda Castro. Centro de Estudios de la Mujer de la Universidad Central de
> Venezuela
> Magaly Pazello, Development Alternatives with Women for a New Era-DAWN
> 
> 
> 
> -----------> ENGLISH  (TRANSLATION)
> 
> Dear friends of civil society participing in the CMSI:
> 
> 1. During the first stage of the Summit the electronic list <lac@wsis-cs.org>,
> provided an acceptable level of cohesion and articulation within the
> LAC Civil Society Caucus for the WSIS, which to a great extent managed
> to facilitate the participation of people and organizations of the region,
> members of the Caucus, in the preparatory meetings and in the Summit itself.
> However, during the last months, it has been impossible to reach minimum 
> consensus
> and to work and make proposals together and positively, using that same 
> electronic list.
> 
> 2. Before this period of difficulties, the LAC Caucus  was understood as
> <lac@wsis-cs.org>. Now we assumed that the LAC Caucus is recognized as the
> set of all the OSC of LAC that want to work in the Summit, being or not
> registered or active in the list <lac@wsis-cs.org>. Therefore, we claim 
> that LAC
> Caucus shall be represented by diverse groups/networks that work in diverse
> electronic and/or face to face meetings.
> 
> 3. During the months following the completion of the first stage of the
> WSIS and beginning of the second stage, the debates and interchanges within the
> <lac@wsis-cs.org> list have been characterized by confrontations and 
> accusations,
> to individuals and organizations. This situation became unacceptable for
> our organizations, whose mechanisms of collaboration and mutual respect 
> have been
> constructed during the past fifteen years. We do firmly believe that 
> criticism is
> an element important for progress, nevertheless, we are convinced that 
> arrogancy,
> questionning without doing fair inquiries or starting from wrong information or
> prejudices, the impossibility to accept visions and criteria different from 
> the one's,
> among other things, have contributed to turn the list <lac@wsis-cs.org> into
> a space for the silence of many and the attempt of protagonism of a few.
> The diverse attempts to retake the objectives and to establish a structure
> of work and a clear, effective and specific operation were not valued
> positively by a group of members of the Caucus and lead to a silence of
> the majority as an answer, which we interprete as a rejection of that behavior.
> 
> 4. The original objectives of this Caucus are lost. LAC Caucus was
> created to be a space of coordination and work between civil society members
> within the framework of the WSIS. In that sense, a virtual space for the
> reflection and debates of the themes of interest for our region
> has been lost, as well as the generation of positions and coordinated 
> operations,
> the development of specific contributions to the WSIS process, within the 
> formal
> and non formal process of the Summit, as for local, national, regional or 
> world-wide
> alternative processes.
> 
> 5. It is our intention to harness and to fortify alternative and constructive
> resources for our participation in the second phase of the Summit, as we did it
> in the first phase.
> 
> 6. We propose the following:
> - To fortify our alternative spaces, created before and during the process
> of the CMSI, to work in different areas related to ICT4D, on the base of
> common agreements, visions and interests, and to extend them based on clear
> and specific criteria.
> - To articulate our organizacionales/institucionales working agendas for 
> the WSIS
> - To fortify our alliances with diverse actors and sectors
> - To participate (and to affect) the process of the Summit actively,
> as we have been doing, from alternative voices, with concrete
> proposals of work and action, optimizing our time, resources and
> potentialities
> - To stimulate regional and national processes oriented to the
> promotion of the strategic use of ICT4D and the most effective
> and real involvement of the civil society to the processes of ICT policies
> 
> 7. The list <lac@wsis-cs.org> is not any more, in our opinion,
> a regional space and we do not acknowldge it as the only
> electronic space of discussion of Caucus LAC. The list <lac@wsis-cs.org>
> has be turned into a space for the expression of visions and positions from a
> single and impositive perspective that does not reflect the diversity and 
> wealth
> of the Latin American SCO; for that reasons it cannot represent, by itself,
> our region in the Summit. The list <lac@wsis-cs.org> does not offer
> at this time the basic conditions for the development of the work
> which our organizations are committed with. As a working tool, it has lost
> the value of collective and democratic construction and has widely twisted 
> aside
> the objectives for which it was created.
> 
> 8. Although we do not pretend to the representativeness of civil society
> organizations of the region working in the field of ICT4D, we claim to be
> recognized as an active group of LAC by official and non official instances
> of the WSIS, and as part of the LAC Caucus.
> 
> 9. With this letter we want to emphasize the fact that there is no
> unique space that represents our region and that we think that we can
> progress in the diversity.
> 
> 10. Finally, our strategy is oriented to articulate initiatives with
> other organizations. Our alternative spaces are permanently open to
> organizations of civil society who are identified with the principles,
> visions, objectives and mechanisms of work that we shared and agree
> with the criteria of operation, agreed coordination and respect.
> 
> Dafne Plou, Regional Program Support to Networks of Women, LAC, APC
> Gustavo G?mez, World-wide Association of Community Radios, AMARC-ALC
> Pablo Accuosto, Institute of the Third World, ITEM
> Erick Iriarte, Alfa-Redi
> Daniel Pimienta, Networks and Development Foundation, Funredes
> Luis Germ?n Rodriguez, Networks and Development Foundation, Funredes
> Valeria Betancourt, Project Monitor of ICT Policies in LAC, APC
> Eduardo Santoyo, Peruvian Scientific Network, RCP
> Marino Olinca, LaNeta
> Paulo Lima, Alert network for the Third Sector, RITS
> Carlos Afonso, Alert network for the Third Sector, RITS
> Holanda Castro. Woman Studies Center.  Universidad Central de
> Venezuela
> Pazello Magaly, Development Alternatives with Women for a New Era-DAWN
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


From echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar  Thu Sep 16 22:59:15 2004
From: echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar (Enrique A. Chaparro)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [governance] Thinking about
Message-ID: <20040916215915.5E1996C5C7@honorio.sinectis.com.ar>

Vittorio,
Please accept my apologies; I'm far away from home and using a
thread-unaware MUA, so this message won't show into the appropriate
thread. I can't do very much to correct the issue, then the
apologies.

> It depends. If the only way to have access to the text describing the
> standard is to pay hundreds of dollars|euros|whatever, 
[...snip...]
> 
> I think all Internet standards should be freely reproductible (which, as
> you know, does not mean copyright-free, but rather subject to a free
> license).
You've got a point here :) Sure, it's a minor issue and there is
a high probability that you could get a copy of the standard's
documents at no fee according to `fair use' doctrine. But an
issue anyways, and I share your idea that all Internet-related
standards documents must be freely reproductible.

[...snip...] 
> I and many other people that usually attend ICANN meetings spent a good
> part of the last year opposing a new service by VeriSign, the operator
[...snip...]
Yip. I'm aware of the whole SiteFinder affair.
 
> In your opinion, is regulation of such a service part of "Internet
> governance", or not?
As you know, the current hierarchical structure of the DNS system
has no good technical justification. Alternative services are not
only possible, but also desirable. Relying on Verisign's quasi-
monopoly led to that uncomfortable situation. Therefore, the
Sitefinder's affair become a governance issue, because of the lack
of circumvention possibilites. So, WGIG should discuss how to
reach a condition where non-standards-complying parties can be
circumvented without affecting newtorks' operability.

 
> 
> I don't think you can part some of these aspects from the others, and
> discuss them separately in different places. I have been spending years
> on this subject now, and I am more and more convinced that it's almost
> impossible. And by multiplying the forums you make it more difficult for
> the less organized and financed actors - that is, us - to coherently
> lobby for a global result.

On the other hand... are we ready and strong enough to fight
a battle where the winner takes all? If we concentrate all the
issues in one forum (assuming that it's feasible), and we
lose, we won't have second chances...

> > In that
> > sense, standards including patented technologies prevent the
> > required `smoothness', but copyright and trademark issues are
> > completely out of scope (and should be dealt with elsewhere).
> 
> Where? At WIPO? :-/

Why not? ;)
At WIPO and at every place where we can make our voices heard.
After WTO's Doha round, number of countries from the South have
become aware of the problems posed by TRIPS, and are starting to
ask for a deep reform of the whole patents and copyrights stuff.

 
> I see the WGIG as a huge chance to quietly start a new governance model
> on information society matters, starting from a tiny bit and then moving
> up towards places where we never had a say, such as WIPO or WTO. I think
> that, if the final composition of the WGIG is actually satisfactory and
> balanced, and if we are smart enough to exploit this opportunity, we
> have plenty to earn from this adventure.

I would like to share your optimism, but I see too many ``ifs''.
I strongly believe that the less governance the better. So, if
WTO wants to impose a new form of bloodsucking on the Internet,
the best reply from the governance bodies won't be `we do not
want to do this' (since WTO has enough power to change the
composition of the reluctant governance body), but `we cannot
do this; it's contrary to the laws of physics' (Excuse me for
the joke/oversimplification, but I guess you got the idea).

However, I'm quite sure that me and you have much more agreements
than disagreements, because even disagreeing in the methods we 
strive for the same goals. So let's continue this productive dialog.

Distinti saluti dal Sud lontano :)

Enrique

-- 
Venit summa dies et ineluctable tempus.
              --Virgilio, Eneida, 2:324

From mueller at syr.edu  Fri Sep 17 03:16:03 2004
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Fwd: Two on Future of WIPO
Message-ID: <s14a10ac.004@gwia201.syr.edu>

All:
These two reports coming out of the future of WIPO conference
bear directly on the discussion we've been having about the role
of IPR in the WGIG. Worth reading. Note that nearly all of the
critics of IPR are not enthusiastic or supportive of leaving
this issue to WIPO.  --MM

>>> Seth Johnson <seth.johnson@realmeasures.dyndns.org> 9/16/2004
9:26:12 PM >>>
Clash likely on intellectual property rights

By Frances Williams in Geneva
Published: September 14 2004 03:00 | Last updated: September 14
2004 03:00

The stage is set for a clash over the future of international 
intellectual property protection, with Brazil and Argentina
planning to  call for a "development agenda" at the World
Intellectual Property  Organisation's annual meeting later this
month.

Intellectual property protection is a means of promoting
innovation and the transfer and dissemination of technology and
"cannot be seen as an  end in itself", the proposal by the two
countries says.

Among their more controversial suggestions are negotiation of a
treaty  to promote developing-country access to knowledge and
technology; work  on collaborative information-sharing mechanisms
to stimulate innovation;  and an amendment to Wipo's constitution
stressing the need to take the development concerns into account.

Brazil has been in the vanguard of moves to ensure intellectual
property rights enshrined in international pacts do not override
public interest  or development needs. This reflects its domestic
agenda, which includes promotion of generic drugs and open-source
software.

Brazilian negotiators played a key role in drafting a landmark
World  Trade Organisation agreement in 2001 that affirms
developing countries'  right to give public health needs priority
over drug patent protection.

More generally, Brazil has led resistance to US attempts to
impose ever-higher standards of protection on developing
countries, notably through bilateral trade agreements.

Supporters of a Wipo development agenda say the United Nations
agency is dominated by industrialised countries and multinational
companies with a vested interest in strengthening the existing
property rights system to the detriment of poor nations.

"It's about time we had a debate in Wipo", said one Latin
American official. "Developed countries are aggressively pushing
their agenda. Developing countries should be pushing theirs."

Wipo's critics discount claims that the organisation has become
more development-friendly. "Wipo is still pushing a strong rights
paradigm," Jamie Love, director of the US-based Consumer Project
on Technology,  said yesterday at a conference in Geneva on
Wipo's future organised by  the Transatlantic Consumer Dialogue,
a consumer lobby group.

Mr Love and Lawrence Lessig, a Stanford University law professor
who chairs a non-governmental organisation known as the Creative
Commons,  used the conference to announce a new developing
nations copyright  licence that will allow copyright holders to
grant royalty-free use of  their work in poor countries.

Creative Commons has already introduced alternative copyright
licences  in the US, Japan, Brazil and some European Union member
states.

These can be used by musicians, writers, film makers and others
to  reserve some, but not all, rights on their work, as
conventional  copyright does, in order to disseminate it more
widely. www.wipo.org http://creativecommons.org 

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Random-bits] Dugie S. on Future of WIPO meeting
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:18:02 -0400
From: James Love <james.love@cptech.org>
To: random-bits@lists.essential.org 


in Washington Internet Daily (Sept 14, 2004)

Consumer Groups Press WIPO to Shift Focus from IP Rights to Human
Rights

GENEVA -- The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO)
found itself on the defensive today as speakers at the
Transatlantic Consumer Dialog (TACD) here debated its future.
Faced with accusations that the organization -- which became part
of the United Nations in 1974 -- has sided with intellectual
property (IP) rights to the exclusion of human rights, several
WIPO officials said they're listening to the increasing calls for
a more balanced approach. And while some speakers agreed WIPO is
making an effort to address their concerns, they said any changes
so far amount to little.

WIPO's stated mission is to promote IP. But as a U.N. agency, its
responsibility is to take appropriate action to promote
intellectual creativity not IP, said Sisule Musungu, head of the
Kenyan South Centre's program on international trade &
development. WIPO doesn't appear to act according to its U.N.
mandate, but according to its original mission to foster IP, he
said.

The stated mission is both "right and good" but it has failed,
said Stanford U. law prof. Lawrence Lessig. If IP promotion were
a campaign and WIPO its campaign manager, he said, it would lose.
IP is more contested and criticized today than at any time
before, he said, because: (1) There's too much influence by IP
"maximalists," special interests that push for IP term
extensions, for instance, to the detriment of others' rights. (2)
We're obsessed with the conception of IP as it was -- automatic
and longlived -- when technology has fundamentally changed the
use of creative works. (3) Lawyers' characterization of IP as a
"religion," not an economic issue. What's needed, he said, is
substantial reform that would require every regulation to be
tested under the principle of economic efficiency, he said.
Properly balanced, IP promotes the public good, Lessig said. But,
whether by WIPO's fault or not, IP doesn't do that, and is now
considered a tool of the rich to impose their power on the poor.

WIPO's dossier is "dodgy," said John Sulston, founding dir. of
the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute (U.K.). Its mission statement
mistakenly equates "works of the human spirit" with IP, he said.
The past 25 years, the funding of discovery has been directly
tied to its application, and WIPO has been required to follow the
agenda of those who "perverted the course of scientific
discovery." Instead, Sulston said, its mission should be as a
democratic govt. balancing everyone's interests.

A European Commission (EC) official backed WIPO, saying its
primary mission is as a lawmaking body in the field of copyright
protection. There is "unfinished business" in WIPO's digital
agenda, including the issues of protection for broadcasters and
the need for IP rights for sui generis databases, said Rogier
Wezenbeek, of the Internal Market directorate-gen. Copyright &
neighboring rights unit. Moreover, he said, there's been no new
copyright treaty since 1976. With a growing number of
international organizations discussing copyright, it's of "prime
importance" that WIPO's expertise remain in the lead, he said.

WIPO officials stressed they're heeding calls for change. There's
"diversity and inclusiveness" in the activities within WIPO, said
Anthony Taubman, head of the traditional knowledge div. Whatever
one's view of WIPO, he said, it's engaged in a wider debate on IP
than many believe. Taubman disputed critics who say WIPO isn't
listening, citing its 6-year effort to address issues surrounding
protection of traditional knowledge. Despite activities that have
created the foundation for a practical debate on the need to
protect such knowledge, and its raising the political status of
the issues, he said, WIPO has been accused on being too
theoretical and academic and "all talk and no action." That's
not
the WIPO he knows, Taubman said. And in a later panel on WIPO and
the Information Society, Richard Owens, dir.-copyright,
e-commerce, technology & management div., said much of what has
been written about the TACD conference isn't accurate. "We're in
complete receiver mode," Owens said. Just because WIPO isn't
speaking out on issues doesn't mean it's not thinking about them,
he said. WIPO is in the early stages of its new relationship with
civil society -- consumer, human rights and other groups -- and
its agenda is driven by the concerns of its member states, some
of which are developing countries. "We're open and we're ready
for change," Owens said.

WIPO deserves an "A" for the spirit in which it worked with the
TACD on this week's conference, said James Love, Consumer Project
on Technology Exec. Dir., at a news briefing. WIPO knows it has
to "wean itself away" from merely protecting rights-owners, he
said. To its credit, Love said, it deserves high marks for
opening its doors to nongovernmental organizations, and for its
willingness to engage in TACD's issues.

But Brazil and Argentina recently threw down the gauntlet over
WIPO's mission, Love said. The countries have proposed that WIPO
set a "development agenda" and has asked that member states
consider it at their assemblies in 2 weeks. The big questions are
whether the Secretariat will permit the proposal to be debated as
a separate agenda item, and whether the U.S. and EU will oppose
it, he said. "We're in a fight about what this UN agency is all
about," Love said -- Dugie Standeford

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From rsagun at takingitglobal.org  Fri Sep 17 10:14:13 2004
From: rsagun at takingitglobal.org (rsagun@takingitglobal.org)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] inventory of CS reps attending WGIG plus
Message-ID: <105630-22004951791413999@M2W077.mail2web.com>

Dear All,

1. Can we have an inventory of CS representatives attending the WGIG open
consultation? At least the broader CS sphere would have an idea as to who
they are and where (re: affiliation) they are coming from. I propose that
the details to be circulated should at least contain the following:

Name:
Country:
Region:
Organizational Affiliation:
Gender:

2. I believe, the CS Family has been given 2 speaking slots. Have we
decided as to who would be the final speakers for the CS Family? And how
they intend to draft these speeches? The WSIS Youth Caucus expresses to
meaningfully contribute in drafting the texts of these presentations.

Best regards,

Robert Sagun
Policy Coordinator, WSIS Youth Caucus





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From maseger at t-online.de  Fri Sep 17 12:43:00 2004
From: maseger at t-online.de (Marianne Seger)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS Africa Regional Meeting 2005  Launched in Accra (fwd)
Message-ID: <1C8HF5-18trpg0@fwd06.sul.t-online.com>

Dear All,
just to to let you know... - about the infomation I received via AYI.

MARIANNE SEGER
e-mail: maseger@t-online.de

--------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Leopold Leslie Lanquaye Armah" <armahleo@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: WSIS Africa Regional Meeting 2005  Launched in Accra

Dear All, For further information please check
www.wsisaccra2005.gov.gh:
   
   Mr. Albert Ken-Dapaah, Minister of Communication on
Wednesday charged the media to play a lead role in the
propagation of messages about Information and
Communication Technology (ICT) since it has the
ability to reach greater proportion of the populace.
He said the rapidly changing socio-economic
environment in a global scale, has become more
important to engender public discussions on issues
with respect to ICT on the global level.

Mr. Ken-Dapaah was speaking at a press launch of the
Africa Regional preparatory conference of the World
Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) to be held in
Accra-Ghana in February next year. The Accra
conference will form the rallying point for Africa to
build consensus on the issues that would be discussed
during the second phase of the WSIS at Tunis in
November 2005.

The idea of Information Society came up at the
conference of World leaders in Geneva 2003, which took
into consideration, measures to be taken to ensure
that emerging economies benefited from the full
potentials of ICT in their developmental agenda. He
noted that the media is considered as a key policy
stakeholder in the information society and that
efforts were being made to ensure its effective
participatory role in building an information society.

Mr. Ken-Dapaah observed that for developing country to
successfully reach the positive side of the digital
divide, it would depend on the extent the media
disseminated ICT messages at national, organizational
and individual levels. He noted that Ghana has a
vibrant media and that government, on its part would
work out measures to ensure that the media diverted
some attention towards the ICT sector. Mr. Ken-Dapaah
said the Geneva summit agreed on specific targets to
be taken into accounts before the establishment of
national strategies.

The strategies included measures to connect villages
to ICT, establish community access points and connect
public libraries, post offices, cultural centres and
museums to ICT. It further involved connecting
Universities and Schools to ICT, local and central
government department as well as health centres and
hospitals.

He said currently efforts are underway to put an
action plan into gear to find out areas of Internet
Governance and financing mechanisms needed to employ
ICT to hasten the achievement of the Millennium
Development Goals.

event site is under construction at
www.wsisaccra2005.gov.gh 
credit : Ghana News Agency 


Leopold L.L. Armah,
African Youth Initiative,
Accra - Ghana



From rsagun at takingitglobal.org  Fri Sep 17 16:43:50 2004
From: rsagun at takingitglobal.org (rsagun@takingitglobal.org)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Call for Youth Caucus Nominees to the WG on Internet Governance
Message-ID: <277130-220049517154350447@M2W028.mail2web.com>

Dear All,

On behalf of the Facilitation Team of the WSIS Youth Caucus, I am pleased
to convey to you that we are accepting candicacies of young people from
your list for nomination by the Youth Caucus to the CS Plenary and Internet
Governance Caucus. By young people, we mean those aged 15-28 (though
strictly speaking, youth are individuals aged 15-24 by UN standards). For
those who are interested to submit their application, please follow the
nomination and selection process set up by the Facilitation Team.

I. Individual candicacies/nominations will be accepted by the FT via
facilitators@wsisyouth.org until Sept. 19. Please note that the submission
of Caucus/Working Group nomination statements for consideration of the WSIS
CS Plenary and IG Caucus is on Sept. 20, the opening day of the 1st WGIG
open consultation.

The FT aims to nominate two (2) names of young people for consideration by
the CS Plenary and IG Caucus. Ideally, one nomination should come from
developing countries, the other from developed countries. Likewise, the YC
nominations will be gender balanced (ie. one male, one female).

For those interested and qualified to be considered for selection by the
FT, please provide the FT with the following details and brief essays:

NOTE: PLEASE COPY AND PASTE QUESTIONS BELOW IN A WORD DOCUMENT. SEND
APPLICATION TO facilitators@wsisyouth.org on or before SEPTEMBER 19, 2004. 

Name:
Country:
Region:
(as per UN WSIS regional grouping: Asia and the Pacific; Latin America and
the Caribbean; North America, CIS and Europe; Africa; and Middle East and
Western Asia)
Age:
Gender:
YC member since:
Email address:
Address:
Tel./Mobile/Fax Nos.:

Essays (maximum of 100 words each...shorter is preferred)

1. What do you think is the role of young people to Internet Governance?

2. What knowledge/experience/expertise do you have on IG, including issues
such as ICANN, ?spam?, info and network security, privacy and other IS
rights, etc AND on its policy, legal, economic, social and technical
aspects? Please include educational background, relevant affiliations and
employment.

3. What experience do you have on UN and/or global governance processes?
Please include level of participation in WSIS Phase I and other ICT
policy-making processes and UN/global processes (ie. WSSD, CSD, UNFF, etc).

4. What experience do you have on working in an international,
multi-cultural environment?

5. If chosen, how available are to actively participate in the WGIG
consultation process and meaningfully contribute to its workload, including
attending physical meetings?

6. Please state your linguistic proficiency (ie. languages where you can
write, read, interpret and speak with an acceptable degree of fluency).

7. Please state other relevant information and qualities, not covered by
the above questions, that you think will prove helpful in the selection
process.


PLEASE NOTE THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR YOUTH WHO CAN ADD VALUE TO THE IG
DEBATES. THE FT WILL BALANCE THE CANDIDATES? KNOWLEDGE/EXPERIENCE/EXPERTISE
ON IG WITH OTHER FACTORS (ie. openness to learn, involvement in YC and WSIS
Phase I, etc).

II. The FT will lead the selection process, with the possibility of seeking
external advice. Please note that the FT reserves the right (1) not to
submit any nomination; (2) to submit only one (1) nominee;  (3) to submit
two (2) nominees coming from the same country, region and gender; and (4)
to submit nominations with a note that they be not put into the CS priority
list. The FT has decided, for the purpose of wide selection, to accept
youth nominees from other Caucuses/Working Groups provided that they
represent the collective stand/proposals of the Youth Caucus. The FT will
assess the nominations received with utmost objectivity and impartiality,
putting emphasis on core competencies and ability to meaningfully
contribute to the work required by the WGIG. If in any case the FT decides
not to submit any nomination(s), it will strongly lobby the WGIG
Secretariat to include young people in its meetings and consultation
process, both online and physical.

The decision of the FT will be final and made known to the YC and other CS
lists, and forwarded to the WSIS CS Plenary and IG Caucus, on Sept 20,
2004. 

Please note the following in submitting your nominations:
1. It is expected that the number of CS representatives would vary between
5 and 7, with the entire membership of the WGIG varying from 20 to 25. 
2. CS aims to shortlist 20 or so names from all Caucuses/Working Groups
nominations. 
3. This list will be sent to the UN Sec. Gen, who will make the final
decision, with the possibility of selecting people outside the CS list.

Please encourage young people from your lists to join the Youth Caucus list
by signing up via www.groups.takingitglobal.org/wsisyouth. Thank you and we
look forward to receiving and reviewing your nominations! 

Best regards,

Robert Sagun
Policy Coordinator

Noted by:

Titilayo Akinsanmi
Global Facilitator

Luke Cholerton-Bozier
Communications Coordinator


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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Fri Sep 17 21:19:04 2004
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [governance] Thinking about
In-Reply-To: <20040916215915.5E1996C5C7@honorio.sinectis.com.ar>
References: <20040916215915.5E1996C5C7@honorio.sinectis.com.ar>
Message-ID: <5bgmk0pg8s8tigai2hoscfakeqpe5fvoqh@4ax.com>

On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:59:15 -0300 (GMT+3), "Enrique A. Chaparro"
<echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar> wrote:

>> In your opinion, is regulation of such a service part of "Internet
>> governance", or not?
>As you know, the current hierarchical structure of the DNS system
>has no good technical justification. Alternative services are not
>only possible, but also desirable.

Are you talking about alternative sets of root servers?

>Relying on Verisign's quasi-
>monopoly led to that uncomfortable situation. Therefore, the
>Sitefinder's affair become a governance issue, because of the lack
>of circumvention possibilites. So, WGIG should discuss how to
>reach a condition where non-standards-complying parties can be
>circumvented without affecting newtorks' operability.

That's not always possible in practice. For example, even if you had many
different root server systems (something which is already true right now, in
fact), most people would not actually bother to alter whichever default root
server set comes preinstalled in their DNS server software. So, by just
relying on this sort of "non-economical market self-regulation", you would
in fact legitimize the quasi-monopoly you wanted to abolish, by giving them
an alibi such as "if you really want, you can still change root servers; if
no one does, then everybody is happy with us".

It would not be too different from the situation we have here in Italy about
TV channels :-)

>> I don't think you can part some of these aspects from the others, and
>> discuss them separately in different places. I have been spending years
>> on this subject now, and I am more and more convinced that it's almost
>> impossible. And by multiplying the forums you make it more difficult for
>> the less organized and financed actors - that is, us - to coherently
>> lobby for a global result.
>
>On the other hand... are we ready and strong enough to fight
>a battle where the winner takes all? If we concentrate all the
>issues in one forum (assuming that it's feasible), and we
>lose, we won't have second chances...

That's true. But it's a matter of political strategy - you should try to
fight the battles you may win on the fields where you can win them, and
refuse the others. And what you say could be reversed - if *you* win, then
*they* won't have second chances.

So I am not afraid of fighting, but with care and caution, of course.

>> > In that
>> > sense, standards including patented technologies prevent the
>> > required `smoothness', but copyright and trademark issues are
>> > completely out of scope (and should be dealt with elsewhere).
>> 
>> Where? At WIPO? :-/
>
>Why not? ;)

Because changing the culture of an organization - I saw this at companies,
but an international institution is not different - is very hard and takes a
lot of time. It took years of fighting to achieve even small cultural
changes at ICANN, which is a 20-people organization with a few years of age;
can you imagine how hard it is to change the mentality of the staff of
organizations which have been working in a certain way, and building
relationships with certain stakeholders and not with others, for 20 or 50
years?

Said this, I am not particularly expert of WIPO matters, so I am ready to
trust whoever has experience of working there, to understand whether it
would be easier to change the way WIPO works and win the fight there, or try
to move the fight and win it elsewhere. In fact, among us we have a huge
capital in terms of the experience necessary to work out good strategies -
we only have to cooperate to exploit it well.

>After WTO's Doha round, number of countries from the South have
>become aware of the problems posed by TRIPS, and are starting to
>ask for a deep reform of the whole patents and copyrights stuff.

This is good, but as you know, with all due respect, it seems unlikely to me
that the pressure of Southern countries alone can have significant effects
on the way copyright works in the countries where (today, and hopefully not
forever) most ICT tools are developed. Can the government of an African
country really prevent Microsoft from working the way they do? (And we're
getting back to the usual problem of sovereignty erosion...)

>> I see the WGIG as a huge chance to quietly start a new governance model
>> on information society matters, starting from a tiny bit and then moving
>> up towards places where we never had a say, such as WIPO or WTO. I think
>> that, if the final composition of the WGIG is actually satisfactory and
>> balanced, and if we are smart enough to exploit this opportunity, we
>> have plenty to earn from this adventure.
>
>I would like to share your optimism, but I see too many ``ifs''.

Heh... you can't know future in advance, but if you start thinking you'll
lose, then you'll certainly lose :-)

>I strongly believe that the less governance the better. So, if
>WTO wants to impose a new form of bloodsucking on the Internet,
>the best reply from the governance bodies won't be `we do not
>want to do this' (since WTO has enough power to change the
>composition of the reluctant governance body), but `we cannot
>do this; it's contrary to the laws of physics'

This might be applicable at the personal level, for example with actions of
disobedience, or by spreading software that overcomes central limitations
and controls (see DeCSS etc.). But don't forget that, in the end,
governments can send you the police, and media can turn fights for digital
freedoms into cyberterrorism and piracy, so there's a limit to what you can
obtain by refusing to fight at the governance/government level. In a
globally interconnected world, you cannot flee and you cannot hide - so you
have to stand up for your rights well before you are pushed into a corner.

>However, I'm quite sure that me and you have much more agreements
>than disagreements, because even disagreeing in the methods we 
>strive for the same goals. So let's continue this productive dialog.

Sure. Actually, I hope that many other people intervene. This kind of debate
is very important, much more than nomination races.
Thanks,
-- 
vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<------
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Vecchio sito, nuovo tobl?g...

From robin at ipjustice.org  Fri Sep 17 21:58:27 2004
From: robin at ipjustice.org (Robin Gross)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [governance] Thinking about
In-Reply-To: <5bgmk0pg8s8tigai2hoscfakeqpe5fvoqh@4ax.com>
References: <20040916215915.5E1996C5C7@honorio.sinectis.com.ar> <5bgmk0pg8s8tigai2hoscfakeqpe5fvoqh@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <414B4FF3.4060702@ipjustice.org>

Vittorio Bertola wrote:
[snip...]
  >
>>>>In that
>>>>sense, standards including patented technologies prevent the
>>>>required `smoothness', but copyright and trademark issues are
>>>>completely out of scope (and should be dealt with elsewhere).
>>>
>>>Where? At WIPO? :-/
>>
>>Why not? ;)
> 
> 
> Because changing the culture of an organization - I saw this at companies,
> but an international institution is not different - is very hard and takes a
> lot of time. It took years of fighting to achieve even small cultural
> changes at ICANN, which is a 20-people organization with a few years of age;
> can you imagine how hard it is to change the mentality of the staff of
> organizations which have been working in a certain way, and building
> relationships with certain stakeholders and not with others, for 20 or 50
> years?
> 
> Said this, I am not particularly expert of WIPO matters, so I am ready to
> trust whoever has experience of working there, to understand whether it
> would be easier to change the way WIPO works and win the fight there, or try
> to move the fight and win it elsewhere. In fact, among us we have a huge
> capital in terms of the experience necessary to work out good strategies -
> we only have to cooperate to exploit it well.

I am hopeful that we can begin to see some slow reform at WIPO.  I was a 
participant at the meetings in Geneva last week working exactly on this 
goal.  There is no doubt that WIPO will have to become more balanced 
after the hard pounding it took from the top academics and policy 
makers.  There will be a Declaration that many of us have been working 
on led by Jamie Love that will be released in the coming weeks that puts 
strong international pressure on WIPO to reform.  Brazil and Argentina 
have issued a very powerful to challenge on these issues also in the 
last week weeks.  But WIPO is more than a 1000 person organization and 
will not move quickly and without constant prodding from us.

> 
> 
>>After WTO's Doha round, number of countries from the South have
>>become aware of the problems posed by TRIPS, and are starting to
>>ask for a deep reform of the whole patents and copyrights stuff.
> 
> 
I agree there is a movement coalescing in the South to stand up to the 
US and the EU on IP issues, as evidenced by the Doha Round and the FTAA 
Treaty's IP chapter finally being non-compulsory.  These WSIS/WGIG 
processes are another great forum to push for the agenda of reforming 
TRIPS to restore balance to the law.  And we should also make an effort 
to have the enforcement mechanisms taken away from TRIPS.  There is no 
justification for requiring developing countries to accept harmful 
intellectual property rules in order to be allowed to participate in 
world trade.  These goals may be broader than the WGIG itself, but these 
are great forums for collaborating with others to achieve these goals.

> This is good, but as you know, with all due respect, it seems unlikely to me
> that the pressure of Southern countries alone can have significant effects
> on the way copyright works in the countries where (today, and hopefully not
> forever) most ICT tools are developed. Can the government of an African
> country really prevent Microsoft from working the way they do? (And we're
> getting back to the usual problem of sovereignty erosion...)
> 
> 
>>>I see the WGIG as a huge chance to quietly start a new governance model
>>>on information society matters, starting from a tiny bit and then moving
>>>up towards places where we never had a say, such as WIPO or WTO. I think
>>>that, if the final composition of the WGIG is actually satisfactory and
>>>balanced, and if we are smart enough to exploit this opportunity, we
>>>have plenty to earn from this adventure.

Its seems inevitable that intellectual property issues will be on this 
group's work docket.  So we have to make sure that its a positive agenda 
of righting the existing wrongs, promoting freedom, rather than letting 
the business and govt crowd turn it into an opportunity to make the laws 
even worse.

Best,
Robin

>>
>>I would like to share your optimism, but I see too many ``ifs''.
> 
> 
> Heh... you can't know future in advance, but if you start thinking you'll
> lose, then you'll certainly lose :-)
> 
> 
>>I strongly believe that the less governance the better. So, if
>>WTO wants to impose a new form of bloodsucking on the Internet,
>>the best reply from the governance bodies won't be `we do not
>>want to do this' (since WTO has enough power to change the
>>composition of the reluctant governance body), but `we cannot
>>do this; it's contrary to the laws of physics'
> 
> 
> This might be applicable at the personal level, for example with actions of
> disobedience, or by spreading software that overcomes central limitations
> and controls (see DeCSS etc.). But don't forget that, in the end,
> governments can send you the police, and media can turn fights for digital
> freedoms into cyberterrorism and piracy, so there's a limit to what you can
> obtain by refusing to fight at the governance/government level. In a
> globally interconnected world, you cannot flee and you cannot hide - so you
> have to stand up for your rights well before you are pushed into a corner.
> 
> 
>>However, I'm quite sure that me and you have much more agreements
>>than disagreements, because even disagreeing in the methods we 
>>strive for the same goals. So let's continue this productive dialog.
> 
> 
> Sure. Actually, I hope that many other people intervene. This kind of debate
> is very important, much more than nomination races.
> Thanks,


From Gallammv at aol.com  Fri Sep 17 22:54:44 2004
From: Gallammv at aol.com (Gallammv@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Veni's objections 
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From mueller at syr.edu  Sat Sep 18 17:13:51 2004
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [governance] Thinking about
Message-ID: <s14c2693.041@gwia201.syr.edu>

It should be clear that the wisest strategy is to work in BOTH
arenas (WGIG and WIPO). Keeping silent on IPR within the 
WGIG, or trying to 'play defense' by keeping it off the agenda, 
automatically gives an advantage to those who would keep the 
status quo or push for greater, stronger copyright, patent, 
trademark protections. If we do not actively 'problematize'
IPR within the framework of the WGIG, we have lost an
irreplaceable opportunity. If some governments and the civ 
soc advocates have already succeeded in injecting a more
critical approach into the WIPO forums, there is reason
to believe we could succeed in doing the same thing in WGIG.

 --MM

>>> robin@ipjustice.org 09/17/04 4:58 PM >>>
>Vittorio:
>> so I am ready to
>> trust whoever has experience of working there, to understand whether
it
>> would be easier to change the way WIPO works and win the fight there,
or try
>> to move the fight and win it elsewhere. In fact, among us we have a
huge
>> capital in terms of the experience necessary to work out good
strategies -
>> we only have to cooperate to exploit it well.
>
> Robin:
>I am hopeful that we can begin to see some slow reform at WIPO.  I was
a 
>participant at the meetings in Geneva last week working exactly on this

>goal.  There is no doubt that WIPO will have to become more balanced 
>after the hard pounding it took from the top academics and policy 
>makers.  There will be a Declaration that many of us have been working 
>on led by Jamie Love that will be released in the coming weeks that
puts 
>strong international pressure on WIPO to reform.  Brazil and Argentina 
>have issued a very powerful to challenge on these issues also in the 
>last week weeks.  But WIPO is more than a 1000 person organization and 
>will not move quickly and without constant prodding from us.





From robin at ipjustice.org  Sat Sep 18 18:27:48 2004
From: robin at ipjustice.org (Robin Gross)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [governance] Thinking about
In-Reply-To: <s14c2693.040@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s14c2693.040@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <414C7014.4090507@ipjustice.org>

Yes I agree.  WSIS/WGIG could be an opportunity to push for that much 
needed reform.  Although it remains unclear to me how great of an 
opportunity.  WSIS/WGIG doesn't seem to have any real teeth at this stage.

And there is a bias in the way it will be structured.  I don't see how 
business can be justified an equal say with government and civil society 
in "Internet governance" issues.  Sure business concerns should be 
fairly taken account for.  But *equal* to government and civil society 
seems too much weight in my view.  When it comes to intellectual 
property issues, often the government is the puppet of the big IP 
holders, big business.  So there is reason to believe that a WGIG 
structured as it is could do more harm than good by taking up 
intellectual property issues.  But there is no way that it won't address 
these controversial issues.  So we must push for a positive agenda here. 
  And the fact that developing country governments aren't quite as 
beholden to US and EU IP holders together with a growing business 
constituency that is harmed by the max IP rules means that maybe the 
structure isn't so bad after all.  The jury is out.

But a concerted international effort to push for reform on intellectual 
property wrongs is undoubtable coalescing.  WSIS/WGIG could be a good 
forum for pushing for this reform.

Robin



Milton Mueller wrote:

> It should be clear that the wisest strategy is to work in BOTH
> arenas (WGIG and WIPO). Keeping silent on IPR within the 
> WGIG, or trying to 'play defense' by keeping it off the agenda, 
> automatically gives an advantage to those who would keep the 
> status quo or push for greater, stronger copyright, patent, 
> trademark protections. If we do not actively 'problematize'
> IPR within the framework of the WGIG, we have lost an
> irreplaceable opportunity. If some governments and the civ 
> soc advocates have already succeeded in injecting a more
> critical approach into the WIPO forums, there is reason
> to believe we could succeed in doing the same thing in WGIG.
> 
>  --MM
> 
> 
>>>>robin@ipjustice.org 09/17/04 4:58 PM >>>
>>
>>Vittorio:
>>
>>>so I am ready to
>>>trust whoever has experience of working there, to understand whether
> 
> it
> 
>>>would be easier to change the way WIPO works and win the fight there,
> 
> or try
> 
>>>to move the fight and win it elsewhere. In fact, among us we have a
> 
> huge
> 
>>>capital in terms of the experience necessary to work out good
> 
> strategies -
> 
>>>we only have to cooperate to exploit it well.
>>
>>Robin:
>>I am hopeful that we can begin to see some slow reform at WIPO.  I was
> 
> a 
> 
>>participant at the meetings in Geneva last week working exactly on this
> 
> 
>>goal.  There is no doubt that WIPO will have to become more balanced 
>>after the hard pounding it took from the top academics and policy 
>>makers.  There will be a Declaration that many of us have been working 
>>on led by Jamie Love that will be released in the coming weeks that
> 
> puts 
> 
>>strong international pressure on WIPO to reform.  Brazil and Argentina 
>>have issued a very powerful to challenge on these issues also in the 
>>last week weeks.  But WIPO is more than a 1000 person organization and 
>>will not move quickly and without constant prodding from us.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


From info at virtualactivism.net  Sun Sep 19 15:58:52 2004
From: info at virtualactivism.net (INFO)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] New Arab Caucus website
In-Reply-To: <E1C4kai-0005BG-Jt@fencepost.gnu.org>
Message-ID: <BFEHKBDFENGJLLIPCDKHEEBJCJAA.info@virtualactivism.net>

Hello again. This is just to inform you of a new resource: the Arab Caucus
website at
http://www.arabcaucus.net
I am moving all documents [Arabic, English and Frnech] from mengos.net to
the Arab Caucus site.
All the best.
Marlyn


From cnicol at pangea.org  Sun Sep 19 20:20:50 2004
From: cnicol at pangea.org (Chris Nicol)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [governance] Thinking about
In-Reply-To: <414C7014.4090507@ipjustice.org>
References: <s14c2693.040@gwia201.syr.edu>  <414C7014.4090507@ipjustice.org>
Message-ID: <1095621516.3314.54.camel@chrissony>

Hi,

1) This discussion about IP is very interesting and I echo the comments
made by several people that we should continue it in a constructive way.

On Sat, 2004-09-18 at 19:27, Robin Gross wrote: 
> Yes I agree.  WSIS/WGIG could be an opportunity to push for that much 
> needed reform.  Although it remains unclear to me how great of an 
> opportunity.  WSIS/WGIG doesn't seem to have any real teeth at this stage.

2) I agree too. Whether or not you agree with Richard Stallman about not
using the term "intellectual property" (he does us a great favour by
insisting that we should not confuse the various areas that are grouped
under the term), the issues themselves will (and I think should) come up
in the WSIS IG context. As has been suggested, there is some chance of
influencing the results here, so it would be a pity to miss the
opportunity.

3) My own opinion, and what I draw from the discussion, is that there is
a great need to open up debate about the issues on many different
fronts. WIPO is an obvious one, and we should certainly be discussing
how to intervene there, how to support developing countries, etc. And
the campaign about patenting software in the European Union was
surprisingly successful, although we'll soon see how long that lasts.

But not only official international bodies. Civil society has a lot of
forums where these issues can be (and have been) brought up, such as the
World/European/Americas Social Forums. National and local events too.
And unless civil society as a whole becomes aware of and concerned about
such issues (not only IP and IG, but other internet and IS issues), we
will have very little success in improving the situation, because we
(the civil society part of WSIS) are very few compared with the size of
the  tasks facing us. 

The fight is not won or lost in one battle. If we are to have some
impact, it will take years of work, and we'll need to become greater in
numbers and allies. The Working Group is a start.

Regards,

Chris



> And there is a bias in the way it will be structured.  I don't see how 
> business can be justified an equal say with government and civil society 
> in "Internet governance" issues.  Sure business concerns should be 
> fairly taken account for.  But *equal* to government and civil society 
> seems too much weight in my view.  When it comes to intellectual 
> property issues, often the government is the puppet of the big IP 
> holders, big business.  So there is reason to believe that a WGIG 
> structured as it is could do more harm than good by taking up 
> intellectual property issues.  But there is no way that it won't address 
> these controversial issues.  So we must push for a positive agenda here. 
>   And the fact that developing country governments aren't quite as 
> beholden to US and EU IP holders together with a growing business 
> constituency that is harmed by the max IP rules means that maybe the 
> structure isn't so bad after all.  The jury is out.
> 
> But a concerted international effort to push for reform on intellectual 
> property wrongs is undoubtable coalescing.  WSIS/WGIG could be a good 
> forum for pushing for this reform.

> Robin
> 
> 
> 
> Milton Mueller wrote:
> 
> > It should be clear that the wisest strategy is to work in BOTH
> > arenas (WGIG and WIPO). Keeping silent on IPR within the 
> > WGIG, or trying to 'play defense' by keeping it off the agenda, 
> > automatically gives an advantage to those who would keep the 
> > status quo or push for greater, stronger copyright, patent, 
> > trademark protections. If we do not actively 'problematize'
> > IPR within the framework of the WGIG, we have lost an
> > irreplaceable opportunity. If some governments and the civ 
> > soc advocates have already succeeded in injecting a more
> > critical approach into the WIPO forums, there is reason
> > to believe we could succeed in doing the same thing in WGIG.
> > 
> >  --MM
> > 
> > 
> >>>>robin@ipjustice.org 09/17/04 4:58 PM >>>
> >>
> >>Vittorio:
> >>
> >>>so I am ready to
> >>>trust whoever has experience of working there, to understand whether
> > 
> > it
> > 
> >>>would be easier to change the way WIPO works and win the fight there,
> > 
> > or try
> > 
> >>>to move the fight and win it elsewhere. In fact, among us we have a
> > 
> > huge
> > 
> >>>capital in terms of the experience necessary to work out good
> > 
> > strategies -
> > 
> >>>we only have to cooperate to exploit it well.
> >>
> >>Robin:
> >>I am hopeful that we can begin to see some slow reform at WIPO.  I was
> > 
> > a 
> > 
> >>participant at the meetings in Geneva last week working exactly on this
> > 
> > 
> >>goal.  There is no doubt that WIPO will have to become more balanced 
> >>after the hard pounding it took from the top academics and policy 
> >>makers.  There will be a Declaration that many of us have been working 
> >>on led by Jamie Love that will be released in the coming weeks that
> > 
> > puts 
> > 
> >>strong international pressure on WIPO to reform.  Brazil and Argentina 
> >>have issued a very powerful to challenge on these issues also in the 
> >>last week weeks.  But WIPO is more than a 1000 person organization and 
> >>will not move quickly and without constant prodding from us.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 


From freenet002 at pi.be  Sun Sep 19 20:55:08 2004
From: freenet002 at pi.be (Jan Servaes)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Conference Intellectual Property Right, Dec 14-17, Brisbane, Australia
In-Reply-To: <1095621516.3314.54.camel@chrissony>
References: <s14c2693.040@gwia201.syr.edu>  <414C7014.4090507@ipjustice.org> <1095621516.3314.54.camel@chrissony>
Message-ID: <CF17A3B4-0A75-11D9-BE31-000A958863E2@pi.be>

Hi all,

Referring to the current discussion on IPR, may I kindly draw your 
attention to our International Conference on

?Intellectual Property Rights, Communication and the Public Domain in 
the Asia-Pacific Region

?14-17 December 2004

?Brisbane, Australia
?
co-hosted by the World Association for Christian Communication (WACC)
&
the School of Journalism and Communication, The University of Queensland

More info at http://www.sjc.uq.edu.au/ipr/

Best

Jan

On 20/09/2004, at 5:20 AM, Chris Nicol wrote:

> Hi,
>
> 1) This discussion about IP is very interesting and I echo the comments
> made by several people that we should continue it in a constructive 
> way.
>
> On Sat, 2004-09-18 at 19:27, Robin Gross wrote:
>> Yes I agree.  WSIS/WGIG could be an opportunity to push for that much
>> needed reform.  Although it remains unclear to me how great of an
>> opportunity.  WSIS/WGIG doesn't seem to have any real teeth at this 
>> stage.
>
> 2) I agree too. Whether or not you agree with Richard Stallman about 
> not
> using the term "intellectual property" (he does us a great favour by
> insisting that we should not confuse the various areas that are grouped
> under the term), the issues themselves will (and I think should) come 
> up
> in the WSIS IG context. As has been suggested, there is some chance of
> influencing the results here, so it would be a pity to miss the
> opportunity.
>
> 3) My own opinion, and what I draw from the discussion, is that there 
> is
> a great need to open up debate about the issues on many different
> fronts. WIPO is an obvious one, and we should certainly be discussing
> how to intervene there, how to support developing countries, etc. And
> the campaign about patenting software in the European Union was
> surprisingly successful, although we'll soon see how long that lasts.
>
> But not only official international bodies. Civil society has a lot of
> forums where these issues can be (and have been) brought up, such as 
> the
> World/European/Americas Social Forums. National and local events too.
> And unless civil society as a whole becomes aware of and concerned 
> about
> such issues (not only IP and IG, but other internet and IS issues), we
> will have very little success in improving the situation, because we
> (the civil society part of WSIS) are very few compared with the size of
> the  tasks facing us.
>
> The fight is not won or lost in one battle. If we are to have some
> impact, it will take years of work, and we'll need to become greater in
> numbers and allies. The Working Group is a start.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>> And there is a bias in the way it will be structured.  I don't see how
>> business can be justified an equal say with government and civil 
>> society
>> in "Internet governance" issues.  Sure business concerns should be
>> fairly taken account for.  But *equal* to government and civil society
>> seems too much weight in my view.  When it comes to intellectual
>> property issues, often the government is the puppet of the big IP
>> holders, big business.  So there is reason to believe that a WGIG
>> structured as it is could do more harm than good by taking up
>> intellectual property issues.  But there is no way that it won't 
>> address
>> these controversial issues.  So we must push for a positive agenda 
>> here.
>>   And the fact that developing country governments aren't quite as
>> beholden to US and EU IP holders together with a growing business
>> constituency that is harmed by the max IP rules means that maybe the
>> structure isn't so bad after all.  The jury is out.
>>
>> But a concerted international effort to push for reform on 
>> intellectual
>> property wrongs is undoubtable coalescing.  WSIS/WGIG could be a good
>> forum for pushing for this reform.
>
>> Robin
>>
>>
>>
>> Milton Mueller wrote:
>>
>>> It should be clear that the wisest strategy is to work in BOTH
>>> arenas (WGIG and WIPO). Keeping silent on IPR within the
>>> WGIG, or trying to 'play defense' by keeping it off the agenda,
>>> automatically gives an advantage to those who would keep the
>>> status quo or push for greater, stronger copyright, patent,
>>> trademark protections. If we do not actively 'problematize'
>>> IPR within the framework of the WGIG, we have lost an
>>> irreplaceable opportunity. If some governments and the civ
>>> soc advocates have already succeeded in injecting a more
>>> critical approach into the WIPO forums, there is reason
>>> to believe we could succeed in doing the same thing in WGIG.
>>>
>>>  --MM
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> robin@ipjustice.org 09/17/04 4:58 PM >>>
>>>>
>>>> Vittorio:
>>>>
>>>>> so I am ready to
>>>>> trust whoever has experience of working there, to understand 
>>>>> whether
>>>
>>> it
>>>
>>>>> would be easier to change the way WIPO works and win the fight 
>>>>> there,
>>>
>>> or try
>>>
>>>>> to move the fight and win it elsewhere. In fact, among us we have a
>>>
>>> huge
>>>
>>>>> capital in terms of the experience necessary to work out good
>>>
>>> strategies -
>>>
>>>>> we only have to cooperate to exploit it well.
>>>>
>>>> Robin:
>>>> I am hopeful that we can begin to see some slow reform at WIPO.  I 
>>>> was
>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>> participant at the meetings in Geneva last week working exactly on 
>>>> this
>>>
>>>
>>>> goal.  There is no doubt that WIPO will have to become more balanced
>>>> after the hard pounding it took from the top academics and policy
>>>> makers.  There will be a Declaration that many of us have been 
>>>> working
>>>> on led by Jamie Love that will be released in the coming weeks that
>>>
>>> puts
>>>
>>>> strong international pressure on WIPO to reform.  Brazil and 
>>>> Argentina
>>>> have issued a very powerful to challenge on these issues also in the
>>>> last week weeks.  But WIPO is more than a 1000 person organization 
>>>> and
>>>> will not move quickly and without constant prodding from us.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Plenary mailing list
>> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>
>
======================================
Professor Jan Servaes
Head
School of Journalism and Communication
University of Queensland
St.Lucia, Brisbane, QLD 4072, Australia
Tel: +61 7 3365 6115 or 3088
Fax: +61 7 3365 1377
Email: j.servaes@uq.edu.au
URL: http://www.uq.edu.au/journ-comm/
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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Sun Sep 19 21:27:09 2004
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Bureau - Updating contact info
Message-ID: <p06200a0bbd738cab3f14@[192.168.1.251]>

I wanted to send a reminder message to the plenary list that although 
the CS bureau list is closed, however its archive is open for all to 
see and read.

The address is:

http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/public/bureau/

Information on and about the CS Bureau is available at :
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bureau


One of the main topics has been one of updates, strategic planning 
and who are the representatives of the given bureau "seats" as we 
move into phase II.

I can not speak for the bureau in any way, form or capacity. 
Howerver, i'd like to - in a personal capacity - try to keep the info 
about the bureau as correct and updated as possible. Thus,  I humbly 
request all CS families to please check to see if the contacts points 
listed at:
http://cms.privaterra.org/WSIS_FP_ContactList

are in fact correct and updated. If the information there is ok, then 
fine. If it is incorrect or plain old - please do the following:

#1 - Have the CS family post a message to this list (the plenary) 
with the new contact details. If the revision is related to a change 
in focal point - please give details as to how the decision was 
arrived at (consultation, nomination, election, etc..)


#2 - Post a copy of the message above to the bureau list as well - 
bureau@wsis-cs.org
        (one of the moderators will have to manually approve the message)

I'm not sure how issues related to who the exact representative is on 
the bureau . I just hope there's a clear consensus, as otherwise I 
don't think there's a dispute resolution mechanism in place.

regards

Robert






-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From ecarll at optonline.net  Sun Sep 19 22:49:00 2004
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Bureau - Updating contact info
In-Reply-To: <p06200a0bbd738cab3f14@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCAEOJHOAA.ecarll@optonline.net>

Hi Robert,

Thank you for posting the information about updating your page.  I noticed
that the Health and ICT Working Group is omitted from the Plenary page on
your website listing.  I believe I had requested that this be corrected a
number of months ago when it was first posted.   Is the page you are
updating, in addition to, or in place of  the original plenary listings?

The list of WGs and caucuses appear in
http://www.wsis-cs.org/caucuses.html  Is this the official list?

BTW, I do not recall receiving a questionnaire in July 2004, which is listed
as a source for the contact list.  My information as the contact point
remains the same as listed in the wsis.org website above.  If it would be
helpful  to complete the questionnaire,  please send it to me.

Thank you for your work on this

Best regards,

Elizabeth

Dr. Elizabeth Carll
Focal Point
International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
Chair Media/ICT Working Group,
NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York
Tel: 1-631-754-2424
Fax: 1-631-754-5032
ecarll@optonline.net

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of Robert Guerra
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 4:27 PM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Bureau - Updating contact info


I wanted to send a reminder message to the plenary list that although
the CS bureau list is closed, however its archive is open for all to
see and read.

The address is:

http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/public/bureau/

Information on and about the CS Bureau is available at :
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bureau


One of the main topics has been one of updates, strategic planning
and who are the representatives of the given bureau "seats" as we
move into phase II.

I can not speak for the bureau in any way, form or capacity.
Howerver, i'd like to - in a personal capacity - try to keep the info
about the bureau as correct and updated as possible. Thus,  I humbly
request all CS families to please check to see if the contacts points
listed at:
http://cms.privaterra.org/WSIS_FP_ContactList

are in fact correct and updated. If the information there is ok, then
fine. If it is incorrect or plain old - please do the following:

#1 - Have the CS family post a message to this list (the plenary)
with the new contact details. If the revision is related to a change
in focal point - please give details as to how the decision was
arrived at (consultation, nomination, election, etc..)


#2 - Post a copy of the message above to the bureau list as well -
bureau@wsis-cs.org
        (one of the moderators will have to manually approve the message)

I'm not sure how issues related to who the exact representative is on
the bureau . I just hope there's a clear consensus, as otherwise I
don't think there's a dispute resolution mechanism in place.

regards

Robert






--
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>
_______________________________________________
Plenary mailing list
Plenary@wsis-cs.org
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary



From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Mon Sep 20 04:50:23 2004
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Change of email address / Media
In-Reply-To: <BD7403BA.6423%tracey@traceynaughton.com>
References: <BD7403BA.6423%tracey@traceynaughton.com>
Message-ID: <p06200a01bd7400522752@[192.168.1.251]>

The following email has just landed in my mailbox, and to be honest i 
have no idea what to do.

At the time the bureau was setup it was one's organization that had 
the focal point position. Though i don't know if that was confirmed 
in a vote by either the plenary or the bureau itself.

Now the situation presents itself - what to do when someone changes 
the organization they are with. Does the focal point stay with the 
person, or stay with the organization. Who, better said - which the 
civil society structures decides and/or confirms ?


I am not, nor i think is anyone else on the bureau able to decide. 
For me, it is the CS family in question - in this case education - 
that needs to advise all of us as a whole as to what to do next.

To be honest -  I do not, and will not engage in a debate or endless 
dialogue as to what to do.  I simply am asking  the plenary and 
bureau as a whole to take on this item - and it  decide what to do 
next.

Personally - i do not want to get accused of being partial to this or 
that side, and thus give this very public notice that I will abstain 
from the discussions and decision process on this particular matter.


regards

Robert





	From: 	  boiarov@caminandoutopias.org.ar
	Subject: 	[Fwd: Punto Focal en Bureau Sociedad Civil 
CMSI - Confirmacion de  Afiliaci?n..]
	Date: 	September 19, 2004 11:25:51 PM EDT
	To: 	  wsis@privaterra.org, rguerra@privaterra.org, 
bureau@wsis-cs.org, plenary@wsis-cs.org

Dear all:
As you know, Miss Beatriz Busaniche will not go on working with us.
We want to communicate that is our interest that the Teleworking 
Center at the RRTT- Buenos Aires University go on working as focal 
point at the WSIS.
We are gratefull to Beatriz Busaniche for her important labor 
developmented during 2003.
Please we will be please to take note of my name and adress:

Lic. Sonia A. Boiarov
Directora
boiarov@caminandoutopias.org.ar
Tel/fax (54 11) 4771-1281
Cel.: (54 11) 15-5021-1316
Marcelo T. de Alvear 2230- Of. 208
Ciudad Aut?noma de Buenos Aires
Argentina

Best regards.
Lic. Sonia Boiarov


-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar  Mon Sep 20 17:32:44 2004
From: beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar (Beatriz Busaniche)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] nominations for IGWG / Latin american caucus
Message-ID: <1095697964.2301.70.camel@linux.local>

-----Mensaje reenviado-----
From: Beatriz Busaniche <busaniche@velocom.com.ar>
To: governance <governance@lists.cpsr.org>, lac@wsis-cs.org
Subject: nominations for IGWG / Latin american caucus
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:30:39 -0300

spanish below / espa?ol abajo

Hi
Latin american caucus has discused nominations for IGWG and wants to
support this list in this order

Enrique A. Chaparro
Beatriz Busaniche
Mario Teza

Mario Teza is still consulting with people from Brasil, but Enrique
Chaparro and Beatriz Busaniche accepted the nominations.
...........
Hola
El caucus de america latina ha discutido nominaciones para el IGWG y
quiere apoyar la siguiente lista en el siguiente orden:

Enrique A. Chaparro
Beatriz Busaniche
Mario Teza

Mario Teza est? a?n en consultas con gente de Brasil, pero Enrique
Chaparro y Beatriz Busaniche han aceptado las nominaciones.

Regards / Saludos
..........

Information about the candidates: 

 Enrique A. Chaparro

  Email: echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar
         enrique.chaparro@transoxiana.org
  Tel: +54-11-4304-9397

  Address: Carlos Calvo 1349 #5
           C1102ABA Buenos Aires
           Argentina

  Enrique Chaparro is an specialist in the fields of computer security
  and information systems architecture. He works as an independent
  consultant, and has advised a large number of public and private
  organizations in Latin America and the U.S. He has given conferences
  on his technical fields, and on technical and philosophical aspects
  of free software, for universities and organizations in Latin
  America, Europe and the U.S. He currently represents Argentina in
  Technical Committee 11 (Security) of IFIP (International Federation
  of Information Processing). His past and current professional
  memberships include: IACR (International Assn. of Cryptologic
  Research), IEEE Comp. Soc.  TC on Security and Privacy, the
  evaluators community of AES (Advanced Encryption Standard), Security
  Issues on Network Event Logging working group (IETF), among
  others. Former Invited Lecturer in the post-graduate course on
  Computer Law, Facultad de Derecho y Ciencias Sociales (School of
  Law), Universidad de Buenos Aires.  Member of Fundacion Via Libre, a
  WSIS-accredit CS organization.  Former member of the Redaction
  Committee for the Digital Signatures Bill, Ministry of Justice,
  Argentina. Author of a large number of papers and articles on
  computer security, social implications of technology, and free
  software. Contributor to several Bills for information technology
  policies and use of free software in the government in Argentina,
  Peru and Colombia. Mr. Chaparro holds degrees in Mathematics from
  Universidad de Buenos Aires, University of Waterloo and Royal
  Holloway - University of London.

  We believe that Enrique would bring two significant contributions to
  the WGIG: A deep technical perspective on security and privacy, and
  their implications for Internet governance; and a vision from the
  South, reinforced with his research on the relationships between
  technology and social issues.

  Mr. Chaparro is not affiliated with any current Internet governance
  entity. He belongs to the civil society sector, and participates in
  the LAC (Latin America and the Caribbean) Caucus and in the PCT
  (Patents, Copyrights and Trademarks) working group. He is self
  employed. A citizen of Argentina, he is fluent in Spanish and
  English and has good skills in French, Italian, Portuguese and
  Latin.

  ``With regard to the WSIS-CS PCT nomination for the U.N. WGIG,
    I hereby declare:
     (1) That I understand the work load I am volunteering for; and
     (2) That up to the best of my effort I will be available during
    the expected period of deliberations.
    /s/Enrique A. Chaparro''

With regard to the Latin american Caucus, mr. chaparro presented a
complete position paper about this issues, that could be checked here
http://peru.cpsr.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=76&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Email: busaniche@velocom.com.ar
  Tel:   54 11 47829206

  Adress: Grecia 2949 1?12.
          postal 1429
          Buenos Aires
          Argentina

  As a female member of Fundaci?n V?a Libre Argentina and
  NGO Hipatia (Both acredited to WSIS organizations), Miss Beatriz
Busaniche has participated actively in the
  whole WSIS process from the Southern hemisphere. She is actively
  engaged in Education, academia and research caucus / family (Civil
  society bureau member), in the Patents, Copyrights and Trademarks
  (PCT) working group and member of the Latin American Caucus (LAC).

  She has some technical background and expertise in Free Software
  issues as well as development perspectives.

  Her affiliations are generally of civil society in areas of
  education, PCT, LAC and member of the civil society bureau during
  the first phase as delegated from the Centro de Teletrabajo y
  Teleformaci?n from University of Buenos Aires.

  Beatriz Busaniche speaks Spanish (native) and English.

  Mrs Busaniche understands the work entailed by the WGIG and will be
  available; being from the South, her ability to be physically
  present will depend upon location and financial resources, though.

.......









From omarino at laneta.apc.org  Mon Sep 20 18:32:06 2004
From: omarino at laneta.apc.org (Olinca Marino)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nominaciones WGIG
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040920122811.02284b98@laneta.apc.org>

(English version below)


Estimados amigos y amigas,

Nosotros/as, miembros de organizaciones y redes de Latinoam?rica y el 
Caribe, acreditadas ante la Cumbre Mundial sobre la Sociedad de la 
Informaci?n (CSMI), activas en su proceso desde los inicios, y miembros del 
Caucus de Sociedad Civil de Am?rica Latina y el Caribe para la CMSI, nos 
adherimos a las nominaciones y respaldamos las candidaturas de Ra?l 
Echeberr?a (Director Ejecutivo del Registro de Direcciones de Internet para 
Am?rica Latina y Caribe, LACNIC) y de Carlos Afonso (Director de Planeaci?n 
y Estrategia del RITS - Rede de Informa??es para o Terceiro Setor - Red de 
Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector) para conformar el Grupo de Trabajo en 
Gobierno de Internet de la CMSI.


RA?L ECHEBERR?A, uruguayo, es especialista en el tema de gobierno de 
internet y autor de numerosos art?culos publicados en peri?dicos, revistas 
especializadas y sitios web, sobre mercado de nombres de dominio, evoluci?n 
de ICANN, gobierno de Internet, SPAM, y temas gen?ricos de Internet. Cuenta 
con una relevante experiencia en el campo docente y en otras instituciones 
y organizaciones civiles, por mencionar:
*LACNIC (Registro de Direcciones de Internet para Am?rica Latina y Caribe) 
- - Director Ejecutivo desde 04/2002;
*Miembro del equipo de investigaci?n de NAIS (The NGO and Academic ICANN 
Study);
*Coordinador del Proyecto Monitor de Pol?ticas de TIC en Am?rica Latina y 
el Caribe, de APC (La Asociaci?n para el Progreso de las
Comunicaciones) 2002;
*Vicepresidente del Foro Latinoamericano de Redes (ENRED) desde 1998 al 2001;
*Miembro del Primer Consejo de Nombres de Dominio del ICANN en 
representaci?n del grupo "No comercial".

Tambi?n ha sido conferencista habitual en foros internacionales alrededor 
del mundo. Por ejemplo:
*Reuniones de los Registros Regionales (RIR) de todo el mundo (ARIN, APNIC, 
RIPE NCC, LACNIC, AFRINIC);
*Reuniones de WALC (Talleres en Tecnolog?as de Internet para Am?rica Latina 
y el Caribe);
*Reuniones regionales y globales de la Cumbre Mundial sobre la Sociedad de 
la Informaci?n (CMSI);
*Taller de la ISOC (Internet Society) en la CMSI, 2003 "The Internet The 
Players, its Legacies and its Future",  The RIR system;
*UNCTAD (E-commerce and Development) "Estado del Arte del Mercado de 
Nombres de Dominio";
*Foro Am?rica Latina - Uni?n Europea.  "Cooperaci?n en aspectos de la 
estandarizaci?n. El enfoque en las Am?ricas y la Perspectiva del Foro Global;
*Encuentro del "At Large Committee" de ICANN. "The Latin-American 
Evaluation and future's perspectives";
*Cainet'2000. Experiencias en el desarrollo del entrenamiento de 
Tecnolog?as de Internet en Am?rica Latina.

CARLOS AFONSO, brasile?o, cuenta con una amplia experiencia en el tema de 
gobierno de internet. Carlos Afonso es parte del equipo de RITS, un 
proyecto nacional destinado a implementar un servicio y una red de 
construcci?n de capacidades sobre TIC, orientados a las ONG, a trav?s del 
uso de Internet como medio principal.

A fines de los 60?s fue una persona de gran importancia en la  resistencia 
contra la dictadura en Brasil. Tuvo que salir al exilio y reconstruir su 
vida en Chile, Panam? y Canad?, este ?ltimo pa?s que lo recibi? y lo hizo 
ciudadano.  En el proceso de redemocratizaci?n de Brasil, Carlos trabaj? 
por la democratizaci?n del acceso a las comunicaciones.  Con la amnist?a 
volvi? y cre? una de las m?s importantes ONGs de ese pa?s, el Instituto 
Brasile?o de An?lisis Social y Econ?mico (IBASE).    Tambi?n concibi?, 
implement? y administr? el proyecto AlterNex, primer sistema de base 
computarizada de informaci?n y comunicaci?n de Latinoam?rica destinado a 
las organizaciones civiles. Carlos es tambi?n uno de los fundadores de la 
Asociaci?n para el Progreso de las Comunicaciones, APC. De 1991 a 1992, 
Carlos propuso y coordin? el proyecto de Estrategias de Informaci?n de 
UNCED de R?o (UNCED ISP/R?o), primer proyecto en Internet creado 
espec?ficamente para una conferencia de la ONU, con el fin de llevar 
comunicaciones e informaci?n v?a Internet a organizaciones que no pod?an 
asistir a la conferencia en permiti?ndoles as? seguir los acontecimientos 
en l?nea. Carlos trabaja adem?s como consultor independiente para el 
Programa de Desarrollo de Naciones Unidas, para el Centro de Internacional 
de Investigaci?n para el Desarrollo (CIID) y otros organismos.  Es autor de 
varios libros, art?culos y estudios sobre temas pol?ticos, sociales y sobre 
desarrollo en Internet, en ingl?s, espa?ol y portugu?s. Una de sus 
especialidades es el tema del ICANN y del gobierno de internet.  Adem?s de 
su conocimiento t?cnico, Carlos cuenta con una firme integridad, autonom?a 
intelectual y pol?tica, y amplios respeto y reconocimiento en la regi?n y 
el mundo por sus procedimientos ?ticos y democr?ticos.

Tenemos conocimiento que Carlos Afonso y Ra?l Echeberr?a han aceptado sus 
candidaturas.

Dafne Plou, Programa Regional Apoyo a Redes de Mujeres, LAC, APC
Gustavo G?mez, Asociaci?n Mundial de Radios Comunitarias, AMARC-ALC
Pablo Accuosto, Instituto del Tercer Mundo, ITEM
Erick Iriarte, Alfa-Redi
Daniel Pimienta, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
Luis Germ?n Rodr?guez, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
Valeria Betancourt, Proyecto Monitor de Pol?ticas de TIC en LAC, APC.
Eduardo Santoyo, Red Cient?fica Peruana, RCP
Olinca Marino, LaNeta
Paulo Lima, Red de Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector, RITS
Holanda Castro,  Centro de Estudios de la Mujer de la Universidad Central
de Venezuela
Magaly Pazello, Development Alternatives with Women for a New Era-DAWN
Katitza Rodr?guez, Cap?tulo Peruano de Computer Professional for Social
Responsibility, CPSR-Per?
Victor Van Oeyen
Ang?lica Abdallah, Asociaci?n Argentina de Teletrabajo


- ------

Dear civil society members participating in the WSIS process:

We, members of organizations and networks from Latin American and the 
Caribbean accredited in the World Summit on the Information Society, active 
in its process since the beginning and members of the Latin American and 
the Caribbean Civil Society WSIS Caucus, support the nominations and 
candidatures of Ra?l Echeberr?a (CEO of Latin American and Caribbean 
Internet Addresses Registry, LACNIC) and Carlos Afonso (Head of 
Technological Development at Rede de informa??oes para o terceiro sector - 
RITS, in English "The Information Network for Civil  Society"), for the 
conformation of the Working Group on Internet Governance at WSIS.

RA?L ECHEBERR?A, Uruguayan, is an specialist on internet governance issues. 
Ra?l is author of many articles published in different newspapers, 
specialized magazines and websites, covering topics such as: Domain Names 
market, ICANN evolution, Internet Governance, SPAM among other generic 
Internet issues. He has broad and recognized experience in teaching and 
working in civil society organizations, such as:

* LACNIC (Latin American and Caribbean Internet Addresses Registry) - CEO 
Since 04/2002
* Member of the NAIS (The NGO and Academic ICANN Study) research Team under 
contract with the University of Oxford. 10/2000 - 04/2002
* Manager of the Latin-American and Caribbean Information and Communication 
Technologies Policy Monitor Project (APC LAC ICT Policy
Monitor Project). The Association for Progressive Communications. 01/2002 - 
- 12/2002
* Former member of the Name Council of ICANN on behalf of the Non 
Commercial Constituency, 1999.
* Founder member of the Non Commercial Domain Name Holders Constituency of 
ICANN and co-writer of the first Charter.
* Vice Chairman of ENRED "Latin American Network Forum" 1998 - 2001
* Member of the DNSO's Working groups B (protection of famous trademarks 
protection),C (new TLDs), and D (internal Procedures), 1999/2000.

He is a regular speaker in international events, forums and conferences 
around the work, like:

- - RIR meetings in all the regions. (ARIN, APNIC, RIPE NCC, LACNIC, 
AFRINIC) -  WALC meetings.
- - WSIS regional and global meetings.
- - ISOC Workshop at WSIS 2003: "The Internet: The Players, its Legacies 
and its Future",  The RIR system. Geneva, Dec. 2003.
- - UNCTAD (E-commerce and Development) "State of the Arts in the Domain 
Name Market", Montevideo, May 2001.
- - Latin America - European Union Forum. Rio de Janeiro, Nov.2001. 
"Co-operation on Standardisation aspects. The approach in the Americas and 
the Perspective of Global Fora"
- - ICANN's At Large Committee Meeting, Stockholm, Sweden. May 2001.  The 
Latin-American Evaluation and future's perspectives.
- - Cainet 2000 Cairo, Egypt March 2000. Experiences in the development of 
Internet Technologies Training in Latin-American.

CARLOS AFONSO, Brazilian, is a person with an indisputable development in 
relation to his work and his personal characteristics. He has participated 
in the evolution of the new ICTs since their introduction in LAC region 
without losing his leadership and always promoting and defending the 
interests of the third sector.  He has a broad knowledge of ICT 
issues.  His experience is transversal to most of the issues related to 
ICTs: free software, digital inclusion, intellectual property, internet 
governance, etc.

Carlos Afonso is part of the RITS team, a NGO-oriented services and 
capacity-building network on information and communication technologies 
using the Internet as its main medium.

In the late 60's he was an important person fighting against the 
dictatorship in Brazil.  He was in exile in Chile, Panama and Canada. This 
last country adopts him as a canadian citizen.  During the 
re-democratization process, Carlos worked for democratizing the access to 
communications. The amnesty allowed Carlos to return to Brazil.  Carlos 
and  Herbert de Souza (known as Betihno) founded one of the most 
important  Brazilian NGOs, the the Brazilian Institute for Social and 
Economic Analysis,  IBASE. Carlos design, implemented and managed the 
AlterNex project, the first computer-based communications and information 
system in Latin America dedicated to serve civil society organizations. He 
is a co-founder of the Association for Progressive Communications (APC). In 
1991-1992, Carlos proposed and coordinated the "UNCED Information Strategy 
Project in Rio" (UNCED ISP/Rio), first Internet project specifically 
developed for a UN conference. ISP/Rio's aims were to provide 
communications and information through the Internet so that organizations 
which had not been able to come to Rio was able to follow up on the events 
via the network.  Carlos Afonso is also an independent consultant of the 
UNDP, IDRC, among other organizations.  He is author of many books, 
articles and studies in relation to internet development political and 
social issues, in different languages.  One of his fields of specialization 
and expertise is Internet Governance and ICANN.  Besides his technical 
knowledge, Carlos has recognized intellectual and political autonomy and 
broad respect for his ethical and democratic behaviour.

We are aware that Carlos Afonso and Ra?l Echeberr?a have accepted to be 
candidates for the WGIG.

- - -------------

Dafne Plou, Programa Regional Apoyo a Redes de Mujeres, PARM-LAC, APC
Gustavo G?mez, Asociaci?n Mundial de Radios Comunitarias, AMARC-ALC
Pablo Accuosto, Instituto del Tercer Mundo, ITEM
Erick Iriarte, Alfa-Redi
Daniel Pimienta, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
Luis Germ?n Rodr?guez, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
Valeria Betancourt, Proyecto Monitor de Pol?ticas de TIC en LAC, APC.
Eduardo Santoyo, Red Cient?fica Peruana, RCP
Olinca Marino, LaNeta
Paulo Lima, Red de Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector, RITS
Holanda Castro,  Centro de Estudios de la Mujer de la Universidad Central
de Venezuela
Magaly Pazello, Development Alternatives with Women for a New Era-DAWN
Katitza Rodr?guez, Cap?tulo Peruano de Computer Professional for Social
Responsibility, CPSR-Per?
Victor Van Oeyen
Ang?lica Abdallah, Asociaci?n Argentina de Teletrabajo 


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From: info at cdcursos.com.ar (CdCursos)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nominaciones WGIG
References: <6.1.0.6.0.20040920122811.02284b98@laneta.apc.org>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Olinca Marino" <omarino@laneta.apc.org>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 2:32 PM
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nominaciones WGIG


> (English version below)
>
>
> Estimados amigos y amigas,
>
> Nosotros/as, miembros de organizaciones y redes de Latinoam?rica y el
> Caribe, acreditadas ante la Cumbre Mundial sobre la Sociedad de la
> Informaci?n (CSMI), activas en su proceso desde los inicios, y miembros
del
> Caucus de Sociedad Civil de Am?rica Latina y el Caribe para la CMSI, nos
> adherimos a las nominaciones y respaldamos las candidaturas de Ra?l
> Echeberr?a (Director Ejecutivo del Registro de Direcciones de Internet
para
> Am?rica Latina y Caribe, LACNIC) y de Carlos Afonso (Director de
Planeaci?n
> y Estrategia del RITS - Rede de Informa??es para o Terceiro Setor - Red de
> Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector) para conformar el Grupo de Trabajo en
> Gobierno de Internet de la CMSI.
>
>
> RA?L ECHEBERR?A, uruguayo, es especialista en el tema de gobierno de
> internet y autor de numerosos art?culos publicados en peri?dicos, revistas
> especializadas y sitios web, sobre mercado de nombres de dominio,
evoluci?n
> de ICANN, gobierno de Internet, SPAM, y temas gen?ricos de Internet.
Cuenta
> con una relevante experiencia en el campo docente y en otras instituciones
> y organizaciones civiles, por mencionar:
> *LACNIC (Registro de Direcciones de Internet para Am?rica Latina y Caribe)
> - - Director Ejecutivo desde 04/2002;
> *Miembro del equipo de investigaci?n de NAIS (The NGO and Academic ICANN
> Study);
> *Coordinador del Proyecto Monitor de Pol?ticas de TIC en Am?rica Latina y
> el Caribe, de APC (La Asociaci?n para el Progreso de las
> Comunicaciones) 2002;
> *Vicepresidente del Foro Latinoamericano de Redes (ENRED) desde 1998 al
2001;
> *Miembro del Primer Consejo de Nombres de Dominio del ICANN en
> representaci?n del grupo "No comercial".
>
> Tambi?n ha sido conferencista habitual en foros internacionales alrededor
> del mundo. Por ejemplo:
> *Reuniones de los Registros Regionales (RIR) de todo el mundo (ARIN,
APNIC,
> RIPE NCC, LACNIC, AFRINIC);
> *Reuniones de WALC (Talleres en Tecnolog?as de Internet para Am?rica
Latina
> y el Caribe);
> *Reuniones regionales y globales de la Cumbre Mundial sobre la Sociedad de
> la Informaci?n (CMSI);
> *Taller de la ISOC (Internet Society) en la CMSI, 2003 "The Internet The
> Players, its Legacies and its Future",  The RIR system;
> *UNCTAD (E-commerce and Development) "Estado del Arte del Mercado de
> Nombres de Dominio";
> *Foro Am?rica Latina - Uni?n Europea.  "Cooperaci?n en aspectos de la
> estandarizaci?n. El enfoque en las Am?ricas y la Perspectiva del Foro
Global;
> *Encuentro del "At Large Committee" de ICANN. "The Latin-American
> Evaluation and future's perspectives";
> *Cainet'2000. Experiencias en el desarrollo del entrenamiento de
> Tecnolog?as de Internet en Am?rica Latina.
>
> CARLOS AFONSO, brasile?o, cuenta con una amplia experiencia en el tema de
> gobierno de internet. Carlos Afonso es parte del equipo de RITS, un
> proyecto nacional destinado a implementar un servicio y una red de
> construcci?n de capacidades sobre TIC, orientados a las ONG, a trav?s del
> uso de Internet como medio principal.
>
> A fines de los 60?s fue una persona de gran importancia en la  resistencia
> contra la dictadura en Brasil. Tuvo que salir al exilio y reconstruir su
> vida en Chile, Panam? y Canad?, este ?ltimo pa?s que lo recibi? y lo hizo
> ciudadano.  En el proceso de redemocratizaci?n de Brasil, Carlos trabaj?
> por la democratizaci?n del acceso a las comunicaciones.  Con la amnist?a
> volvi? y cre? una de las m?s importantes ONGs de ese pa?s, el Instituto
> Brasile?o de An?lisis Social y Econ?mico (IBASE).    Tambi?n concibi?,
> implement? y administr? el proyecto AlterNex, primer sistema de base
> computarizada de informaci?n y comunicaci?n de Latinoam?rica destinado a
> las organizaciones civiles. Carlos es tambi?n uno de los fundadores de la
> Asociaci?n para el Progreso de las Comunicaciones, APC. De 1991 a 1992,
> Carlos propuso y coordin? el proyecto de Estrategias de Informaci?n de
> UNCED de R?o (UNCED ISP/R?o), primer proyecto en Internet creado
> espec?ficamente para una conferencia de la ONU, con el fin de llevar
> comunicaciones e informaci?n v?a Internet a organizaciones que no pod?an
> asistir a la conferencia en permiti?ndoles as? seguir los acontecimientos
> en l?nea. Carlos trabaja adem?s como consultor independiente para el
> Programa de Desarrollo de Naciones Unidas, para el Centro de Internacional
> de Investigaci?n para el Desarrollo (CIID) y otros organismos.  Es autor
de
> varios libros, art?culos y estudios sobre temas pol?ticos, sociales y
sobre
> desarrollo en Internet, en ingl?s, espa?ol y portugu?s. Una de sus
> especialidades es el tema del ICANN y del gobierno de internet.  Adem?s de
> su conocimiento t?cnico, Carlos cuenta con una firme integridad, autonom?a
> intelectual y pol?tica, y amplios respeto y reconocimiento en la regi?n y
> el mundo por sus procedimientos ?ticos y democr?ticos.
>
> Tenemos conocimiento que Carlos Afonso y Ra?l Echeberr?a han aceptado sus
> candidaturas.
>
> Dafne Plou, Programa Regional Apoyo a Redes de Mujeres, LAC, APC
> Gustavo G?mez, Asociaci?n Mundial de Radios Comunitarias, AMARC-ALC
> Pablo Accuosto, Instituto del Tercer Mundo, ITEM
> Erick Iriarte, Alfa-Redi
> Daniel Pimienta, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
> Luis Germ?n Rodr?guez, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
> Valeria Betancourt, Proyecto Monitor de Pol?ticas de TIC en LAC, APC.
> Eduardo Santoyo, Red Cient?fica Peruana, RCP
> Olinca Marino, LaNeta
> Paulo Lima, Red de Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector, RITS
> Holanda Castro,  Centro de Estudios de la Mujer de la Universidad Central
> de Venezuela
> Magaly Pazello, Development Alternatives with Women for a New Era-DAWN
> Katitza Rodr?guez, Cap?tulo Peruano de Computer Professional for Social
> Responsibility, CPSR-Per?
> Victor Van Oeyen
> Ang?lica Abdallah, Asociaci?n Argentina de Teletrabajo
>
>
> - ------
>
> Dear civil society members participating in the WSIS process:
>
> We, members of organizations and networks from Latin American and the
> Caribbean accredited in the World Summit on the Information Society,
active
> in its process since the beginning and members of the Latin American and
> the Caribbean Civil Society WSIS Caucus, support the nominations and
> candidatures of Ra?l Echeberr?a (CEO of Latin American and Caribbean
> Internet Addresses Registry, LACNIC) and Carlos Afonso (Head of
> Technological Development at Rede de informa??oes para o terceiro sector -
> RITS, in English "The Information Network for Civil  Society"), for the
> conformation of the Working Group on Internet Governance at WSIS.
>
> RA?L ECHEBERR?A, Uruguayan, is an specialist on internet governance
issues.
> Ra?l is author of many articles published in different newspapers,
> specialized magazines and websites, covering topics such as: Domain Names
> market, ICANN evolution, Internet Governance, SPAM among other generic
> Internet issues. He has broad and recognized experience in teaching and
> working in civil society organizations, such as:
>
> * LACNIC (Latin American and Caribbean Internet Addresses Registry) - CEO
> Since 04/2002
> * Member of the NAIS (The NGO and Academic ICANN Study) research Team
under
> contract with the University of Oxford. 10/2000 - 04/2002
> * Manager of the Latin-American and Caribbean Information and
Communication
> Technologies Policy Monitor Project (APC LAC ICT Policy
> Monitor Project). The Association for Progressive Communications.
01/2002 -
> - 12/2002
> * Former member of the Name Council of ICANN on behalf of the Non
> Commercial Constituency, 1999.
> * Founder member of the Non Commercial Domain Name Holders Constituency of
> ICANN and co-writer of the first Charter.
> * Vice Chairman of ENRED "Latin American Network Forum" 1998 - 2001
> * Member of the DNSO's Working groups B (protection of famous trademarks
> protection),C (new TLDs), and D (internal Procedures), 1999/2000.
>
> He is a regular speaker in international events, forums and conferences
> around the work, like:
>
> - - RIR meetings in all the regions. (ARIN, APNIC, RIPE NCC, LACNIC,
> AFRINIC) -  WALC meetings.
> - - WSIS regional and global meetings.
> - - ISOC Workshop at WSIS 2003: "The Internet: The Players, its Legacies
> and its Future",  The RIR system. Geneva, Dec. 2003.
> - - UNCTAD (E-commerce and Development) "State of the Arts in the Domain
> Name Market", Montevideo, May 2001.
> - - Latin America - European Union Forum. Rio de Janeiro, Nov.2001.
> "Co-operation on Standardisation aspects. The approach in the Americas and
> the Perspective of Global Fora"
> - - ICANN's At Large Committee Meeting, Stockholm, Sweden. May 2001.  The
> Latin-American Evaluation and future's perspectives.
> - - Cainet 2000 Cairo, Egypt March 2000. Experiences in the development of
> Internet Technologies Training in Latin-American.
>
> CARLOS AFONSO, Brazilian, is a person with an indisputable development in
> relation to his work and his personal characteristics. He has participated
> in the evolution of the new ICTs since their introduction in LAC region
> without losing his leadership and always promoting and defending the
> interests of the third sector.  He has a broad knowledge of ICT
> issues.  His experience is transversal to most of the issues related to
> ICTs: free software, digital inclusion, intellectual property, internet
> governance, etc.
>
> Carlos Afonso is part of the RITS team, a NGO-oriented services and
> capacity-building network on information and communication technologies
> using the Internet as its main medium.
>
> In the late 60's he was an important person fighting against the
> dictatorship in Brazil.  He was in exile in Chile, Panama and Canada. This
> last country adopts him as a canadian citizen.  During the
> re-democratization process, Carlos worked for democratizing the access to
> communications. The amnesty allowed Carlos to return to Brazil.  Carlos
> and  Herbert de Souza (known as Betihno) founded one of the most
> important  Brazilian NGOs, the the Brazilian Institute for Social and
> Economic Analysis,  IBASE. Carlos design, implemented and managed the
> AlterNex project, the first computer-based communications and information
> system in Latin America dedicated to serve civil society organizations. He
> is a co-founder of the Association for Progressive Communications (APC).
In
> 1991-1992, Carlos proposed and coordinated the "UNCED Information Strategy
> Project in Rio" (UNCED ISP/Rio), first Internet project specifically
> developed for a UN conference. ISP/Rio's aims were to provide
> communications and information through the Internet so that organizations
> which had not been able to come to Rio was able to follow up on the events
> via the network.  Carlos Afonso is also an independent consultant of the
> UNDP, IDRC, among other organizations.  He is author of many books,
> articles and studies in relation to internet development political and
> social issues, in different languages.  One of his fields of
specialization
> and expertise is Internet Governance and ICANN.  Besides his technical
> knowledge, Carlos has recognized intellectual and political autonomy and
> broad respect for his ethical and democratic behaviour.
>
> We are aware that Carlos Afonso and Ra?l Echeberr?a have accepted to be
> candidates for the WGIG.
>
> - - -------------
>
> Dafne Plou, Programa Regional Apoyo a Redes de Mujeres, PARM-LAC, APC
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> Pablo Accuosto, Instituto del Tercer Mundo, ITEM
> Erick Iriarte, Alfa-Redi
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> Valeria Betancourt, Proyecto Monitor de Pol?ticas de TIC en LAC, APC.
> Eduardo Santoyo, Red Cient?fica Peruana, RCP
> Olinca Marino, LaNeta
> Paulo Lima, Red de Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector, RITS
> Holanda Castro,  Centro de Estudios de la Mujer de la Universidad Central
> de Venezuela
> Magaly Pazello, Development Alternatives with Women for a New Era-DAWN
> Katitza Rodr?guez, Cap?tulo Peruano de Computer Professional for Social
> Responsibility, CPSR-Per?
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From jsarr at refer.sn  Mon Sep 20 21:41:33 2004
From: jsarr at refer.sn (Joseph Sarr)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nominations pour la participation au GTGI
Message-ID: <1095712893.414f407d7f7e9@www.refer.sn>

Bonjour

Je vous transmets ci-apr?s le nom du candidat pr?sent? par le caucus des
collectivit?s locales pour participer au groupe de travail sur la gouvernance de
l'Internet. Il s'agit de M. Joseph SARR  dont des ?l?ments d'activit?s sont
joints en annexe.
Bonne r?ception et salutations cordiales

Joseph SARR
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------ANNEXE
: 
M. Joseph SARR
Professeur de Physique ? l'Universit? Cheikh Anta Diop de Dakar
Sp?cialis? dans le domaine de la mod?lisation num?rique des ph?nom?nes de
convection naturelle et de l'?nergie solaire
Conseiller municipal et pr?sident de la commission NTIC dans la commune
d'arrondissement de Hann Bel Air ? Dakar
Conseiller r?gional et pr?sident de la commission NTIC au Conseil R?gional de
Dakar
Il a fait la promotion du SMSI depuis le d?but de l?ann?e 2003. Beaucoup de
collectivit?s locales du S?n?gal sont accr?dit?es gr?ce ? son action : 
- Commune de Rufisque 
- Commune de Gu?diawaye 
- Commune de Pikine 
- Commune d?arrondissement de Hann Bel Air 
- Commune d?arrondissement de Grand Yoff 
- Commune d?arrondissement de la M?dina 
La R?gion de Dakar coordonne le N?ud Afrique du R?seau Mondial des R?gions sur
la Soci?t? de l?Information (IT4ALL Regions).  Pour cela, M. SARR fait la
promotion de la soci?t? de l?Information ? travers toutes les r?gions d?Afrique
(Maroc, Mauritanie, Mali, etc.) 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------



From albert.koellner at vibe.at  Tue Sep 21 00:26:25 2004
From: albert.koellner at vibe.at (Albert Koellner)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Bureau - Updating contact info
In-Reply-To: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCAEOJHOAA.ecarll@optonline.net>
References: <p06200a0bbd738cab3f14@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <20040920233155.A21AC14B5B0@mail.gn.apc.org>

On 19 Sep 2004 at 17:49, Elizabeth Carll, PhD wrote:
> Thank you for posting the information about updating your page.  I noticed
> that the Health and ICT Working Group is omitted from the Plenary page on
> your website listing.  I believe I had requested that this be corrected a
> number of months ago when it was first posted.   Is the page you are
> updating, in addition to, or in place of  the original plenary listings?

This is the "families" list, which is totally different from the WGs and 
caucuses. The "families" were established very early in the WSIS process, 
and remained as the CS outside structure for the Bureau through Geneva 2003, 
although it became quite clear pretty soon that our internal organization 
was totally different and concentrated on WGs and caucuses.

I don't know what the purpose of this "families"-list is anymore, since 
according to Robert the bureau mailing list is closed, and this was the main 
purpose. Our thematic work was always happening in the WGs and caucuses, not 
along family lines.

> The list of WGs and caucuses appear in
> http://www.wsis-cs.org/caucuses.html  Is this the official list?

Yes, that's the latest list for _WGs and caucuses_ (though it might need 
some updating, and at least in my browser - Mozilla - the format seems 
broken).
 
> BTW, I do not recall receiving a questionnaire in July 2004, which is listed

Apparently it was sent to the "families".

Albert
-- 
VIBE!AT - Verein f?r Internet-Benutzer ?sterreichs
VIBE!AT - Austrian Association for Internet Users
http://www.vibe.at/ 


From ecarll at optonline.net  Tue Sep 21 02:07:34 2004
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Bureau - Updating contact info
In-Reply-To: <p06200a10bd73be7fed08@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCAEABHPAA.ecarll@optonline.net>

Robert,

Thank you for your response to my question.  However, in addition to the
bureau listing there is a plenary page listing which includes only a partial
listing of the Working Groups.   The form also asks if a person is
interested in subscribing to the plenary list and  is interested in hearing
more about some of the Working Groups which are listed.

It may be helpful to include all of the Working Groups, as I have copied the
ones you have listed below.  Unfortunately, anyone reading this would have
no idea that there is a Health and ICT WG as well as a number of others
which may not listed. on the link on your page
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bureau

Would it be possible to add all of the Working Groups to your form below, so
that people would be aware of and have an opportunity to join any of the
Working Groups?

I have also copied Karen Banks on this email as we had spoken in April about
updating the WG list, but it is not clear if this is the same form and list.


<<Subscribing to Plenary

Subscribe to Plenary by filling out the following form. This is a closed
list, which means your subscription will be held for approval. You will be
notified of the administrator's decision by email. This is also a private
list, which means that the members list is not available to non-members.

      First Name *
      Surname *
      Organizational affiliation *
      Country where you reside
      Email *
      Website URL
      Internet URL address
      Member of regional caucus 	africa  asia  latin america  middle
east-western asia  europe/north america  not member

      Member of thematic caucus workgroup 	youth  communication rights
human rights   environment and ICT  NGO gender strategies working group
WSIS gender caucus   not member
      Other

Interested in hearing more about: 	youth   communication rights   human
rights   environment and ICT   NGO gender strategies working group   WSIS
gender caucus   Other

      Member of Civil Society Bureau family 	academia and education
science and technology   Media creators and active promotors of culture
trade unions  NGOs youth gender  volunteers  indigenous peoples networks and
coalitions   multi-stake holder partnerships   philanthropic institutions
think tanks   africa region  latin america and the carribean region   asia
region   europe and north america region   middle east and western asia
region   people with disabilities   parliamentarians secretariat

Thank you for your help with this as it may help generate interest in the
various WGs and caucuses.

Best regards,

Elizabeth

Dr. Elizabeth Carll
Focal Point
International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
Chair Media/ICT Working Group,
NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York
Tel: 1-631-754-2424
Fax: 1-631-754-5032
ecarll@optonline.net


-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Guerra [mailto:rguerra@cpsr.org]
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 9:10 PM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Cc: Elizabeth Carll, PhD
Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Bureau - Updating contact info


Elizabeth:



At 5:49 PM -0400 9/19/04, Elizabeth Carll, PhD wrote:
>Hi Robert,
>
>Thank you for posting the information about updating your page.  I noticed
>that the Health and ICT Working Group is omitted from the Plenary page on
>your website listing.  I believe I had requested that this be corrected a
>number of months ago when it was first posted.   Is the page you are
>updating, in addition to, or in place of  the original plenary listings?



>The list of WGs and caucuses appear in
>http://www.wsis-cs.org/caucuses.html  Is this the official list?

Official - what is official? The list can be best described as self
identified WG's or caucuses.

I only maintain the CS bureau info. In regards to working groups, the
person you wan tto get in touch with is Karen Banks - as it's she who
maintains the wsis-cs.org site.


regards

Robert

--
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>



From ecarll at optonline.net  Tue Sep 21 02:15:50 2004
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Bureau - Updating contact info
In-Reply-To: <20040920233155.A21AC14B5B0@mail.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCGEABHPAA.ecarll@optonline.net>

Albert,

Thank you for your response and explanation.  I also replied to a message
that Robert had sent in response to my post.   I had  requested that all of
the Working Group be listed on the page asking people if they are interested
in signing up for various Working Groups and Caucuses.   It would be helpful
to all of the WGs and Caucuses to be listed.

Elizabeth

Dr. Elizabeth Carll
Focal Point
International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
Chair Media/ICT Working Group,
NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York
Tel: 1-631-754-2424
Fax: 1-631-754-5032
ecarll@optonline.net

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of Albert Koellner
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:26 PM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Bureau - Updating contact info


On 19 Sep 2004 at 17:49, Elizabeth Carll, PhD wrote:
> Thank you for posting the information about updating your page.  I noticed
> that the Health and ICT Working Group is omitted from the Plenary page on
> your website listing.  I believe I had requested that this be corrected a
> number of months ago when it was first posted.   Is the page you are
> updating, in addition to, or in place of  the original plenary listings?

This is the "families" list, which is totally different from the WGs and
caucuses. The "families" were established very early in the WSIS process,
and remained as the CS outside structure for the Bureau through Geneva 2003,
although it became quite clear pretty soon that our internal organization
was totally different and concentrated on WGs and caucuses.

I don't know what the purpose of this "families"-list is anymore, since
according to Robert the bureau mailing list is closed, and this was the main
purpose. Our thematic work was always happening in the WGs and caucuses, not
along family lines.

> The list of WGs and caucuses appear in
> http://www.wsis-cs.org/caucuses.html  Is this the official list?

Yes, that's the latest list for _WGs and caucuses_ (though it might need
some updating, and at least in my browser - Mozilla - the format seems
broken).

> BTW, I do not recall receiving a questionnaire in July 2004, which is
listed

Apparently it was sent to the "families".

Albert
--
VIBE!AT - Verein f?r Internet-Benutzer ?sterreichs
VIBE!AT - Austrian Association for Internet Users
http://www.vibe.at/

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From acarvin at edc.org  Tue Sep 21 11:43:14 2004
From: acarvin at edc.org (Acarvin)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Yahoo!
Message-ID: <osoojpfkyydxkyqswns@wsis-cs.org>

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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 21 10:57:35 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nominations pour la participation au GTGI
In-Reply-To: <1095712893.414f407d7f7e9@www.refer.sn>
Message-ID: <20040921095735.47983.qmail@web60710.mail.yahoo.com>

Joseph,
Pouvez vous exploiter la possibilité de désigner une
ou plusieurs personnes susceptibles d'appuyer
l'animation du groupe de discussion sur les mécanismes
de financement en perspective avec la préparation du
sommet mondial sur la société de l'information qui
aura lieu fin 2005.
ci-joint le site pour les inscriptions
wsis-finance@yahoogroupes.fr 
Amitiés
Djilali
--- Joseph Sarr <jsarr@refer.sn> wrote:

> Bonjour
> 
> Je vous transmets ci-après le nom du candidat
> présenté par le caucus des
> collectivités locales pour participer au groupe de
> travail sur la gouvernance de
> l'Internet. Il s'agit de M. Joseph SARR  dont des
> éléments d'activités sont
> joints en annexe.
> Bonne réception et salutations cordiales
> 
> Joseph SARR
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------ANNEXE
> : 
> M. Joseph SARR
> Professeur de Physique à l'Université Cheikh Anta
> Diop de Dakar
> Spécialisé dans le domaine de la modélisation
> numérique des phénomènes de
> convection naturelle et de l'énergie solaire
> Conseiller municipal et président de la commission
> NTIC dans la commune
> d'arrondissement de Hann Bel Air à Dakar
> Conseiller régional et président de la commission
> NTIC au Conseil Régional de
> Dakar
> Il a fait la promotion du SMSI depuis le début de
> l’année 2003. Beaucoup de
> collectivités locales du Sénégal sont accréditées
> grâce à son action : 
> - Commune de Rufisque 
> - Commune de Guédiawaye 
> - Commune de Pikine 
> - Commune d’arrondissement de Hann Bel Air 
> - Commune d’arrondissement de Grand Yoff 
> - Commune d’arrondissement de la Médina 
> La Région de Dakar coordonne le Nœud Afrique du
> Réseau Mondial des Régions sur
> la Société de l’Information (IT4ALL Regions).  Pour
> cela, M. SARR fait la
> promotion de la société de l’Information à travers
> toutes les régions d’Afrique
> (Maroc, Mauritanie, Mali, etc.) 
> 
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 


=====
Djilali Benamrane : dbenamrane@yahoo.com
Tel/fax : (227) 75 35 09 BP 11207 - Niamey - Niger
Tél/Fax : (331) 01 45 39 77 02 Paris - France
Page web sur le SMSI (mecanismes de financement) : en cours de construction 
Page web sur l'Afrique et la globalisation : http://www.multimania.com/djilalibenamrane/
Groupe de discussion: http://www.egroups.com/list/afriqueglobalization


		
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 21 10:57:35 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nominations pour la participation au GTGI
In-Reply-To: <1095712893.414f407d7f7e9@www.refer.sn>
Message-ID: <20040921095735.47983.qmail@web60710.mail.yahoo.com>

Joseph,
Pouvez vous exploiter la possibilité de désigner une
ou plusieurs personnes susceptibles d'appuyer
l'animation du groupe de discussion sur les mécanismes
de financement en perspective avec la préparation du
sommet mondial sur la société de l'information qui
aura lieu fin 2005.
ci-joint le site pour les inscriptions
wsis-finance@yahoogroupes.fr 
Amitiés
Djilali
--- Joseph Sarr <jsarr@refer.sn> wrote:

> Bonjour
> 
> Je vous transmets ci-après le nom du candidat
> présenté par le caucus des
> collectivités locales pour participer au groupe de
> travail sur la gouvernance de
> l'Internet. Il s'agit de M. Joseph SARR  dont des
> éléments d'activités sont
> joints en annexe.
> Bonne réception et salutations cordiales
> 
> Joseph SARR
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------ANNEXE
> : 
> M. Joseph SARR
> Professeur de Physique à l'Université Cheikh Anta
> Diop de Dakar
> Spécialisé dans le domaine de la modélisation
> numérique des phénomènes de
> convection naturelle et de l'énergie solaire
> Conseiller municipal et président de la commission
> NTIC dans la commune
> d'arrondissement de Hann Bel Air à Dakar
> Conseiller régional et président de la commission
> NTIC au Conseil Régional de
> Dakar
> Il a fait la promotion du SMSI depuis le début de
> l’année 2003. Beaucoup de
> collectivités locales du Sénégal sont accréditées
> grâce à son action : 
> - Commune de Rufisque 
> - Commune de Guédiawaye 
> - Commune de Pikine 
> - Commune d’arrondissement de Hann Bel Air 
> - Commune d’arrondissement de Grand Yoff 
> - Commune d’arrondissement de la Médina 
> La Région de Dakar coordonne le Nœud Afrique du
> Réseau Mondial des Régions sur
> la Société de l’Information (IT4ALL Regions).  Pour
> cela, M. SARR fait la
> promotion de la société de l’Information à travers
> toutes les régions d’Afrique
> (Maroc, Mauritanie, Mali, etc.) 
> 
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 


=====
Djilali Benamrane : dbenamrane@yahoo.com
Tel/fax : (227) 75 35 09 BP 11207 - Niamey - Niger
Tél/Fax : (331) 01 45 39 77 02 Paris - France
Page web sur le SMSI (mecanismes de financement) : en cours de construction 
Page web sur l'Afrique et la globalisation : http://www.multimania.com/djilalibenamrane/
Groupe de discussion: http://www.egroups.com/list/afriqueglobalization


		
__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo 

From acarvin at edc.org  Tue Sep 21 12:16:21 2004
From: acarvin at edc.org (Acarvin)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Site changes
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From armahleo at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Sep 21 11:43:10 2004
From: armahleo at yahoo.co.uk (Leopold Leslie Lanquaye Armah)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CALL FOR PAPERS ICT4GOV Final
Message-ID: <20040921104310.98601.qmail@web25008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi All,
   For further information please write to
info@techgov.gh or check www.techgov.gh .....



CALL FOR PAPERS

ICT for Government 2005

An African Regional WSIS PrepCom Pre-Event

 
3rd ICT for Government Conference

Accra International Conference Centre, Accra, Ghana

27-28 January 2005

Hosted by: Ministry of Communications, Ghana

Organized by: Techgov

 
ICT for Government 2005 is the third working
conference on Information and Communications
Technology solutions for government operations,
egovernment and national development. ICT for
Government seeks to promote public/Private sector
partnerships for the development of solutions for all
levels of government. 

 
TOPICS

We solicit presentations on developmental concepts or
solutions for egovernment and national development.

Suggested topics include - but are not limited to:
 
1.       Government Solutions for Human Capital
Management
 2.       Open Source for Government

 3.       eLearning

 4.       eHealth

 5.       eRural Development

6.       Security and Protection of Critical
Infrastructure 

 7.       Connectivity and Connectivity Regulatory
Issues

8.       B2G Solutions

 9.       Knowledge and Content Development

10.    Human Capacity Development

 
INSTRUCTIONS FOR AUTHORS

Each presentation must be at most 20 minutes long and
must include a short abstract and a list of keywords
indicating subject classification, and its
introduction should summarize the contributions of the
paper at a level appropriate for a non-specialist
reader. PowerPoint Presentation of the paper is very
much encouraged. The proceedings of the conference
will be published on the conference website.

 

VENUE

The conference will take place at the Accra
International Conference Centre, the traditional venue
for ICT for Government Conference and Exhibition. The
Accra International Conference Centre is famed for
hosting many international conferences and events with
equally high profile as ICT for Government. The venue
will also be used for the WSIS Africa Regional PrepCom
to be hosted by Ghana from February 2 to 4 2005       
         

  
IMPORTANT DATES

Deadline for submission: 31st October 2004

Notification of acceptance: 10th November 2004

Camera-ready papers: 17th December 2004

 
Techgov 
No 2 Ridge Close, North Ridge, Accra 
PO Box GP 18843, Accra 
Tel233 21 254768 / 233 24 4272355 / 233 24 4379 231

info@techgov.gh
www.techgov.gh 


Thanks,

Leopold,
AYI,
Ghana



	
	
		
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From rms at gnu.org  Fri Sep 17 10:37:08 2004
From: rms at gnu.org (Richard Stallman)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [not] Thinking about "intellectual property" is....[not
 thinking]
In-Reply-To: <s148ac84.048@gwia201.syr.edu> (mueller@syr.edu)
References: <s148ac84.048@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <E1C8FAy-0006Tl-1h@fencepost.gnu.org>

    >Since on the issues of patents and copyrights there is no 
    >opportunity for the WGIG to make things better, only worse, 

    Wrong. (No offense, but I am continually amazed by the alacrity 
    with which you make confident assertions that have no apparent
    basis in factual knowledge.)

Perhaps you would see them if you open your eyes.  I already told you
the reason:

    Practically speaking, the existing system of copyrights and patents is
    imposed by treaties that will be outside WGIG's purview.  So WGIG will
    not be able to recommend reducing them. only increasing them.

TRIPES, the Trade-Restricting Impediments to Production, Education and
Science agreement, imposes requirements for certain copyright and
patent powers.  Other treaties can easily impose additional
requirements, but they can't eliminate the TRIPES requirements except
by requiring signatories to leave the WTO.

Thus, if the WGIG were to recommend increased copyright or patent
power, that recommendation could lead to a treaty to do so.  But if
the WGIG were to recommend decreased copyright or patent power, there
would be no way to implement that.  From what I have seen, I expect
that most government and business representatives in the WGIG will
oppose any proposal to make a recommendation that conflicts with
TRIPES.  They will say such a recommendation is "unrealistic".

Thus the WGIG is in a position to make things worse in the area of
patents and copyrights, but not in a position to make things better.

    Let me suggest to you one other reality check
    on your opinion. If the International Chamber of
    Commerce, WIPO, the US Department of Commerce
    the MPAA, INTA and ICANN's management all agree
    with YOU that the WGIG should leave IPR to existing
    international organizations, and take issue with MY
    position, will you, um, be just a wee bit motivated to
    change your mind? 

Before drawing conclusions, I would want to know which topics they
don't want considered, and why.  Here, as often, the generalization
"IPR" hides the crucial point.

I would guess that ICANN specifically doesn't want the issue of
trademarks and domain names to be discussed in the WGIG, because that
might call for changes in ICANN's policies.  They may be thinking
"trademarks" but saying "IPR" for vagueness' sake.  If so, that has no
bearing on what I'm saying about patents and copyrights.  The ICC
might be thinking the same way, since maybe it represents powerful
trademark holders.

As for WIPO, it may indeed have this position about all "IPR" issues,
since it wants to be the sole place where "IPR" issues are discussed.
There is no conclusion for us to draw from that.

However, I don't know enough about the MPAA's and US DOC's positions
to see what conclusions to draw from them.

If we find that the WGIG is inclined to criticize existing copyright
and patent rules, strongly enough that they would take a shot at
TRIPES, by all means let's encourage them to do it.  However, if they
are not inclined to do this, they may as well say nothing about those
areas.

From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 17 17:47:32 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Civil Society Involvement in TF on Financing Mechanism
In-Reply-To: <s1496ada.045@cameco.org>
Message-ID: <20040917164732.38899.qmail@web60709.mail.yahoo.com>

Please see below in French

Dear Christoph, dear all                              
               

I read your mail to Francis, I am very happy to learn
there is in the North some other efforts concerning
this matter of financing. I am sending a copy to the
few people I know which already stated - in a formal
or informal way - to be interested in the issue.
Thank you very much for the moment being I propose the
following procedure:
 > 1. Myself (Djilali), Roberto (who is informed by
the initiative and who have not yet react), Rainer or
and anybody else willing and able to
coordinate/moderate the group could start the e-mail
list; maybe it would be helpful that every participant
of the list briefly explains her/his background and
his speficic interest in the Financing Working Group;
Thanks a lot for your kind offer. I shall try to
propose to some friends from Africa, Asia and Middle
East to join us.
In order to have fruitfull discussion, as you said,
there is a need to have a mailing list and a web site.
This is the reason why I asked Francis to help us in
that regards.
You are therefore kindly invited to register to the
mailing list that has prepared for this purpose
 http://mail.wtis.org/wws/subrequest/finance
 I guess it will save the time of everybody if I
register all the co-recepients of this message to the
list. I stay waitting for your proposal some of you
have already registered.
 I will be happy if another moderator may help me
moderate this list.
 Concerning the coordination of this group in
formation, it is the coalition of the willing, and my
call is open.
 As an African and an UN economist (retired), I will
be glad to coordinate this effort. I asked Francis
from France to help us in that task  because he is
currently investigating under the friendly 
patronage of Adama Samassekou ( no longer a WSIS
official ) what could be the international public
legal framework for MSP. He is also available for
providing us with some linguistics help ( English &
Spanish).
 I better like to express myself in French and if
necessary in English.
 I suggest that there should be no more than 3 or 4
co-coordinators, taking into account gender and
regional diversity as much as possible, it is  the
maximal number I noticed in the current WSIS Working
Groups, 
otherwise we have to go to another structure:  a
larger coordinating board with a president of the
board.  Too much complicated, What do you think ?
 > 2. We briefly survey already existing civil society
resources policy papers, good practice reports,
evaluations, institutions, persons, ongoing research
etc.); Yes, we must be open to new ideas and we do
have to try to involve participants from Africa,
especially from LDCs.
Hashimoto from UNDP seems to be looking honestly for
news ideas, new structures, the current UN system
needs a reform, and possibly many funding
organizations.
 > 3. Starting from the "Financing and Infrastructure"
chapter of the Civil Society Declaration we formulate
some general guidelines for the further development of
a CS position paper; OK, that could constitute a
starting point.
 > 4. We have a civil society workshop on financing on
Nov. 18th, the day before the UN ICT Task Force
meeting in Berlin. Ralph Bendrath volunteers to
coordinate at least the organizational part (is that
correct, Ralph?). Workshop 3 of the Task Force meeting
on Nov. 19th is about "Financing ICT for development".
It is might be good idea to link efforts at the WSIS
and efforts at the UN ICT Task force.
I am waitting for your comments and advice.
Manu thanks and best regards

En Francais
Cher Christoph,
J'ai lu votre message à Francis et vous en remercie.
Je suis trés heureux que la problèmatique du
financement interesse nos collegues et amis du Nord.
Je partage cette reflexion avec des personnes
ressources qui se sont exprimées sur ce theme. Merci
pour cette contribution et me permets d'avancer ces
commentaires de procedures.
1 Moi-meme, Roberto qui a été informe et qui n'a pas
encore reagi et d'autres personnes qui sont
interessées pour animer les debats pourraient se
proposer pour participer a la moderation d'une liste
de discussion. Pour faciliter la chose, elles peuvent
exprimer leurs preoccupations et leurs attentes. Merci
pour cette offre et j'essaie de mobiliser quelques
personnes d'Afrique, d'Asie et du Moyen Orient.
Comme tu le proposes pour faciliter les echanges il
est souhaitable d'avoir une liste de discussion et un
site web. J'ai deja demande a Francis de nous aider en
ce domaine et il a montre sa disponibilite.
Des a present, vous etes amicalement invités a vous
inscrire sur :
http://mail.wtis.org/wws/subrequest/finance
Je serai heureux que d'autres personnes se proposent
pour participer à la moderation de la liste qui reste
ouverte aux personnes volontaires et disponibles. En
tant qu'economiste africain et onusien a la retraite
je suis volontaire pour m'impliquer dans l'initiative.
Francis est aussi volontaire pour apporter son appui
en complementarite avec les efforts qu'il deploie avec
Adama Samssekou l'ancien responsable de la preparation
et de la tenue du Sommet de Geneve sur le SMSI, les
deux reflechissent, debattent et proposent un cadre
legal adapte pour le partenariat MSP. Francis est
disponible pour aider a la traduction des messages
entre Français, Anglais et Espagnol.
Tenant compte de l'experience des groupes de
discussion fonctionnant, je propose qu'il y ait 3 ou 4
coordinateurs respectieux de la diversite regional et
du genre et eviter un plus grand nombre de
coordonateurs qui necessiterait la mise en place d'un
college de coordinateurs avec un president.
2. Apres avoir passe en revue des documents d'analyse
de la société civile, des rapports d'evaluation et des
prises de position de personnes ressources nous sommes
convaincus qu'il faille rester modestes et ouverts a
l'ensemble des suggestions et propositions et notre
souhait est d'impliquer aussi les porte paroles
d'Afrique et des PMA. A cet egard, Hashimoto du PNUD
semble etre a la recherche d'idees nouvelles porteuses
de contribution a la reforme souhaitable du Systeme
des nations unies et institutions de financement.
3. Partant du chapitre de la Declaration de la societe
civile sur le financement et les infrastructures, nous
pourrions prendre ces orientations comme point de
depart pour la formulation concertee d'un projet de
papier de contribution a la position de la societe
civile.
4. Il est programme un atelier de la societe civile le
18 novembre prochain a Berlin, la veille de la
rencontre du groupe de travail de l'ONU sur les TIC.
Ralph Bendrah (qui peut me corriger), se propose
d'aider à la preparation et a l'organisation des
contributions en ce domaine. Ce serait un effort
strategique d'articulation des efforts...
J'attends vos commentaires et vos conseils
Amities
Djilali 

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From rms at gnu.org  Sat Sep 18 00:22:14 2004
From: rms at gnu.org (Richard Stallman)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] not thinking about "intellectual property" is....thinking more clearly
In-Reply-To: <s148ac84.048@gwia201.syr.edu> (mueller@syr.edu)
References: <s148ac84.048@gwia201.syr.edu>
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http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=582602, by
Professor Lemley of Stanford Law School, shows how the term
"intellectual property" and its bias systematically promote the
distortion of the various laws to which it is applied.  Legislators
and judges who think of copyright or patent law in the category of
"property rights" alter their views in a predictable direction.  He
quotes many examples.

(I think that paper is weak, however, in using the term itself.)

While we take the specific actions necessary to oppose various unjust
powers that are proposed, we should not neglect long-term action to
criticize and extirpate the metaphor that generates them.

From tracey at traceynaughton.com  Sat Sep 18 19:40:10 2004
From: tracey at traceynaughton.com (Tracey Naughton)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Weekend reading from 'the south'
Message-ID: <BD724DAA.6402%tracey@traceynaughton.com>

Two IPR stories from the south...........

Sorry, no translated versions,

Stories below.

Tracey Naughton
 



Rooibos trademark
With pics by Jeff Barbee

 

By Christina Stucky

 

The protea cynaroides, Table Mountain, the sprinbok. And rooibos. The herbal
tea with the warm honey aroma sits comfortably in this line up of
quintessentially South African emblems. But because of a bizarre turn of
events, the US trademark on the word ?rooibos? is held by an American woman,
whose name ? and, by all accounts, business acumen ? could come straight out
of the television series ?Dallas?.

The South African rooibos industry has already spent more than R1.5 million
in legal fees trying to have the trademark expunged in the United States.
Now the department of trade and industry and the government of the Western
Cape are weighing in with substantial financial assitance for the legal
battle which has dragged on for several years. At stake is not only the
national pride but also the potentially huge US market for rooibos tea and
its products.

The name Virginia Burke-Watkins is enough to make the facial muscles of
otherwise stoic Afrikaner farmers and businessmen twitch. Described by a US
paper as a ?Dallas socialite?, Burke-Watkins has owned the trademark on the
word ?rooibos? in the United States since 2001. This entitles her to
royalties on every single packet of tea and every beauty product bearing the
word ?rooibos? sold in American supermarkets and health food stores. Rooibos
Ltd, the Clanwilliam-based company that is litigating against Burke-Watkins
on the trademark issue, has as its logo a stylised steaming tea cup with the
word rooibos ? it is therefore not allowed to sell its products in the
United States, according to US patent law. The case has been painstakingly
slow. It is currently still sitting with the US patent office, though it may
be transfered to a federal court this month.

SP Tredoux, Rooibos Ltd?s company secretary and employee of 27 years, says
he has sympathy even for the US patent office, ?but not for this person who
is sticking to her guns and insists (rooibos) is her name. In Canada, we can
sell rooibos. What?s the difference between Canada and the US ? it?s just
one person and her stubbornness.?

According to an article in the Salt Lake Tribune, dated January 2004, a
Utah-based firm has lodged a complaint against Burke-Watkins who has
?zealously defended that trademark, even taking on the South African
government, along with numerous health products stores?. The Utah company,
Nutraceutical, along with 8000 of its retail partners allegedly received
letters from Burke-Watkins? attorneys demanding $5000 (R33500) payments for
?trademark violations? as well as promises to cease sales of ?unapproved
Rooibos-labeled products?. Nutraceutical accuses Burke-Watkins of  business
interference, trade libel and slander, false statements and unfair
competition and simultaneously wants the trademark to be invalidated.
According to the newspaper report, Nutraceutical ?condemns the letters (from
Burke-Watkins) as being part of a ?shakedown operation?.?

Like Nutraceutical (and other US distributors that have taken Burke-Watkins
to court), Rooibos Ltd asserts that rooibos is a generic word and should
never have been allowed to be registered as a trademark in the first place.
While Burke-Watkins apparently concedes that rooibos is merely the Afrikaans
word for ?red bush?, she claims the word was unkown in the US until she
began to market it across the United States. ?We brought Rooibos to the
United States. We promoted it and now people ar saying we can?t do this? We
say, ?why not??,? says Burke-Watkins, quoted in the US paper.

The ?we? refers to her and South African Annique Theron who first introduced
Americans  ? and, it could be argued, the world  ? to the wonders of
rooibos. Theron first highlighted the healing abilities of rooibos tea on
colicky babies, going on to write the book Babies, Allergies and Rooibos Tea
in 1974. The book is now known under the title Allergies ? an Amazing
Discovery.  She further researched rooibos? properties and used extracts in
her line of  beauty products, Annique Rooibos. After 25 years of devoted
research to rooibos, she decided to venture into the American market. There
she hired Burke-Watkins as her US agent under the holding company Forever
Young. 

According to Annique Rooibos? public relations office, in response to
questions from The Sunday Independent, ?Dr Theron soon realised she would
have to protect her invention and product line by registering the
trademarks. If she failed to do this she faced the danger that some US
companies could register rooibos as a trademark and use the South African
formulas (brand name).? ?Rooibos? and ?Annique? were registered as legal
trademarks in 1994 in the name of Forever Young CC.

The legal wrangling over the trademark began in 1997 and by 2001, Theron,
then aged 72, had apparently become ?mentally and emotionally drained? by
the on-going litigation. She sold the trademark to Burke-Watkins for $10.
?Many people asked why she transferred the trademark to an American citizen.
It was a natural choice and a moral obligation to transfer the trademark to
Ms Burke-Watkins because she was (and still is) the exclusive distributor
for the Annique Rooibos tea and Annique Rooibos skin care products.  Ms
Burke-Watkins had contributed to all marketing and legal costs over the nine
years that Dr Theron and she had promoted rooibos in the US,? according to
Theron?s PR office.

Burke-Watkins did not respond to questions sent to her, but according to
Theron?s office, Burke-Watkins has no intention of keeping other rooibos
products out of the US market. She merely wishes to protect the Annique
Rooibos/Forever Young product line from the potential danger of products
?containing rooibos which are not of the same high quality as the rooibos
exported by Forever Young, or products which contain damaging additives
(that) may harm the good name of ?Annique Rooibos?.?

These claims have done nothing to assuage the 300 vexed rooibos farmers in
the Cedarberg of the Western Cape. This area with a 300 kilometre radius, is
the only part of the world where rooibos can be grown ? the Australians and
Californians tried, but failed. The rooibos growers and producers feel no
one, least of all a ?greedy? American should own the trademark on rooibos.

Total sales of rooibos have risen from 3900 tons in 1990 to 10'400 tons in
2003. In the same time period, exports increased from 432 tons to 6488 tons,
with the annual international turn-over now standing at R90 million. Of the
15 countries that import rooibos, Germany, Japan, and the Netherlands are
the biggest buyers of bulk rooibos, with Germans consuming about 73 percent
of total rooibos exports. The US and Germany are the world?s biggest
importers of herbal products. You don?t have to be JR Ewing to figure out
that the United States holds vast potential for rooibos producers.

According to Willem Engelbrecht, managing director of the Big Five Rooibos
Company, the US market is ?very, very promising?, but it currently imports
only about 150 tons per year ? of which about 100kgs were imported by
Burke-Watkins last year, according to Engelbrecht?s research. Rooibos was
once sold as ?Kaffir Tea? in the US by the Battle Creek Food Company. Today
some US health shops try to get around the trademark by labelling it
?African red bush tea?.

Because rooibos production is restricted to a relatively small area, the
Cedarberg farmers may not be able to produce enough rooibos to meet the US
demand, if the court case is settled in Rooibos Ltd?s favour. ?Rooibos
production already doesn?t meet the demand,? Engelbrecht says. He argues
that the court case is not only about market access but also about setting a
precedent. Other countries may follow in Burke-Watkins? footsteps, if South
Africa doesn?t take a stand. A similar case is the registration in the
Netherlands of the word ?boerbull?, much to the anger of  South African dog
breeders. 

The department of trade and industry (DTI) has agreed to support Rooibos Ltd
with up to R2 million for the US litigation. The Western Cape is also
providing financial support. The case may be transfered to the Federal Court
of California this month. A ruling could be handed down within 6 months,
according to the DTI?s MacDonald Netshitenzhe. ?Our small-scale farmers need
protection in jurisdictions where we are operating as trading partners,? he
says. Particularly in a globalised world, ?it is important to protect your
generic names?.

Engelbrecht considers the court case ?a statement? to powerful countries
trying to steal the intellectual property of poorer, less powerful
countries. ?If South Africa registered the name ?hamburger? how long do you
think that would last? It shouldn?t be necessary for the rooibos industry to
fight this battle. Rooibos is our national heritage. It should have been a
diplomatic process.? Concerning Burke-Watkins, Engelbrecht echos the
sentiments of the Clanwilliam producers. ?She just wants to make money. You
can?t claim ownership of something that doesn?t belong to you?.

 

 The San, the cactus and the money
 

By Christina Stucky

 

The wind whips across the barren landscape chasing tufts of thornbush
towards the horizon. Two spindle-thin men in leather loin cloths sell crafts
made of  leather and wood by the side of the road to tourists on their way
to the Kalahari Gemsbok National Park. Pelted by the wind and sand, they
stand, wave and smile simultaneously as an airconditioned car passes.

It is difficult to imagine that anyone would consider this forbidding
landscape cast in hues of beige and brown home. It is even more difficult to
imagine that here in this harsh soil grows a plant with a market potential
of billions of dollars. Yet both are true.

The story of the hoodia cactus and its wealth-generating potential for the
San of the Kalahari made international headlines when a profit-sharing
agreement was signed between the Council for Scientific and Industrial
Research (CSIR) and the San Council in March this year. The notion that a
cactus eaten by lithe San hunters to suppress their appetite and thirst
during long hunts was being developed for the fight against flab in the
North made for good news copy. For the San this agreement meant not only
large sums of money for development projects, but also the restoration of
their pride in their traditional knowledge.

?We read in the papers about the hoodia being used by the CSIR ? or misued,?
says Andries Steenkamp, one of about 800 Khomani San, part of the
100?000-strong San population in southern Africa. ?The perception was built
that there are no San people left, so we don?t have to be asked. They
thought they could get away with it, without asking the San. But they didn?t
get away with it,? he says, smiles and pauses. ?We think the hoodia cactus
can change our lives.?

Earlier this month, Steenkamp was appointed to the newly formed Hoodia Trust
as one of seven South African San representatives. One representative from
the CSIR and the San?s lawyer Roger Chennells are also on the trust. It will
administer the money the San receive from the hoodia?s development and
marketing as an anti-obesity drug. Once the trust is formally registered in
South Africa early next year the money will be divided up equally among the
San councils of South Africa, Botswana, Angola and Namibia. One quarter of
the income will be used to run the trust and the Working Group of Indigenous
Minorities of Southern Africa (Wimsa). The first payment of about R260000
was made several months ago.

The deal is considered groundbreaking. Research institutions and
corporations are, finally, giving indigenous knowledge its due respect and
financial reward. For the first time, holders of traditional knowledge will
receive royalties from the development and marketing of a drug.

?I?ve got a lot of respect for the organisation (CSIR), though we had to
force them to come back to the truth,? says Steenkamp. ?They tried to say
these San don?t exist anymore, but now they accept the mistake they made. We
now have a good relationship.?

The San will receive 8 percent of what is known as ?milestone income? during
the three- to four-year development phase, and 6 percent of the royalties
once the drug hits the pharmacy shelves. The drug has an estimated market
potential of $1-8 billion. The agreement should herald the end of the ?a
crate of beer for your ancient knowledge? era. Yet, although this historic
deal is a step in the right direction, it is not perfect.

For one, the patent rights for P57, as the active ingredient of the hoodia
cactus is known, remains with the CSIR. The research institution signed a
licensing agreement with Phytopharm, a small UK company, which in turn
entered into a commercialisation agreement with US-multinational Pfizer
(home of Viagra). Pfizer has recently pulled out of the deal and Phytopharm
is looking for another partner to develop and market P57 as a prescription
drug. 

?While this agreement must be heralded as a historic breakthrough, certain
concerns impede a wholehearted endorsement,? writes environmental policy
analyst Rachel Wynberg in her paper entitled ?Sharing the crumbs with the
San?. ?Most notably, the San will receive only a fraction of a percent ?
less than 0.003 percent - of net sales. Monies received by the San will be
extracted from royalty and milestone payments obtained by the CSIR, whereas
profits received by Phytopharm and Pfizer will remain unchanged. The San, in
other words, will receive only a miniscule sliver of a large, well-iced
cake.?

The problem, says Haidee Swanby of Biowatch South Africa, lies with the
intellectual property rights (IPR) system and ?the way the (North) thinks
about intellectual property?. The agreement with the San stipulates that
they cannot use their knowledge of the hoodia in any other commercial
application. ?If Phytopharm and the CSIR make money, the San make money, but
they cannot take the hoodia elsewhere,? she says. ?The CSIR are just
packaging the knowledge of the San but why should they own the content??

There is no perfect model for protecting indigenous knowledge, argues
Swanby. The typical model, she explains, still involves a large research
institution following a lead on a plant, doing years of expensive research,
turning it into a drug, marketing it and hoping that the money from the
sales will trickle down to the communities. The emphasis is on selling the
patent for large amounts of money, even though patenting traditional
knowledge is, in fact, a contradiction in terms. The patent system works
best for the North, the holders of technological knowledge, not for the
South, the source of biodiversity and traditional knowledge.

Alternative models seek to support communities to apply their traditional
knowledge and market its products. In Nambia, for instance, communities are
using their knowledge to extract oil from the Morula tree and market it
themselves. ?They make small amounts of money every day without selling off
their knowledge forever and getting large chunks of money every few years,?
says Swanby. 

The IPR model also requires a definable partner within communities. That,
too, poses problems. The hoodia grows in various countries in the region,
but only the San of South Africa, Botswana, Angola and Namibia are reaping
the financial benefits because they are represented by San organisations.
The San in Zambia and Zimbabwe, which have also been using the hoodia for
centuries, will not get any money under the profit-sharing agreement. ?In
South Africa and Namibia we are far more organised and recognised. The San
in Zambia and Zimbabwe are not organised,? says Steenkamp.

Despite the problems with what Swanby calls ?the practicalities? of
profit-sharing agreements, the hoodia-deal has become a ?wake-up call for
corporations?. The money will allow the San not only to fund development and
job-creation projects but also to protect its cultural heritage and
traditional knowledge. Part of the money is to be used by the Khomani San to
expand a ?veld school?, where children are taught plant knowledge and are
educated in the almost-extinct !Nu language.

Marianna Witbooi, a 25-year-old single mother living in Witdraai, hopes the
hoodia-money will create jobs for the youth. ?They are getting bored. Many
youth get pregnant, others go for theft, because there is nothing to do,?
she says. Witbooi moved to Pretoria because of work but she felt ?caught? in
the city. The Kalahari soon called her back, she says. She believes the
hoodia has brought hope and pride to the San. ?I feel very good because
through the hoodia cactus issue, the San will be developed. It will show
that the San still exist.?

 

 


 

 

 

 



From rguerra at cpsr.org  Sun Sep 19 21:34:33 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:18:59 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Bureau - Updating contact info
Message-ID: <p06200a0fbd739dd043aa@[192.168.1.251]>

I wanted to send a reminder message to the plenary list that although 
the CS bureau list is closed, however its archive is open for all to 
see and read.

The address is:

http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/public/bureau/

Information on and about the CS Bureau is available at :
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bureau


One of the main topics has been one of updates, strategic planning 
and who are the representatives of the given bureau "seats" as we 
move into phase II.

I can not speak for the bureau in any way, form or capacity. 
Howerver, i'd like to - in a personal capacity - try to keep the info 
about the bureau as correct and updated as possible. Thus,  I humbly 
request all CS families to please check to see if the contacts points 
listed at:
http://cms.privaterra.org/WSIS_FP_ContactList

are in fact correct and updated. If the information there is ok, then 
fine. If it is incorrect or plain old - please do the following:

#1 - Have the CS family post a message to this list (the plenary) 
with the new contact details. If the revision is related to a change 
in focal point - please give details as to how the decision was 
arrived at (consultation, nomination, election, etc..)


#2 - Post a copy of the message above to the bureau list as well - 
bureau@wsis-cs.org
        (one of the moderators will have to manually approve the message)

I'm not sure how issues related to who the exact representative is on 
the bureau . I just hope there's a clear consensus, as otherwise I 
don't think there's a dispute resolution mechanism in place.

regards

Robert






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From rguerra at cpsr.org  Mon Sep 20 02:09:54 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS Bureau - Updating contact info
In-Reply-To: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCAEOJHOAA.ecarll@optonline.net>
References: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCAEOJHOAA.ecarll@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <p06200a10bd73be7fed08@[192.168.1.251]>

Elizabeth:



At 5:49 PM -0400 9/19/04, Elizabeth Carll, PhD wrote:
>Hi Robert,
>
>Thank you for posting the information about updating your page.  I noticed
>that the Health and ICT Working Group is omitted from the Plenary page on
>your website listing.  I believe I had requested that this be corrected a
>number of months ago when it was first posted.   Is the page you are
>updating, in addition to, or in place of  the original plenary listings?



>The list of WGs and caucuses appear in
>http://www.wsis-cs.org/caucuses.html  Is this the official list?

Official - what is official? The list can be best described as self 
identified WG's or caucuses.

I only maintain the CS bureau info. In regards to working groups, the 
person you wan tto get in touch with is Karen Banks - as it's she who 
maintains the wsis-cs.org site.


regards

Robert

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From boiarov at caminandoutopias.org.ar  Mon Sep 20 04:25:51 2004
From: boiarov at caminandoutopias.org.ar (Lic. Sonia Boiarov-CTT-uba)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=5BFwd=3A_Punto_Focal_en_Bureau_Socieda?=
 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?d_Civil_CMSI_-_Confirmacion_de__Afiliaci=F3?=
 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?n=2E=2E=5D?=
Message-ID: <414E4DBF.8020701@caminandoutopias.org.ar>

Dear all:
As you know, Miss Beatriz Busaniche will not go on working with us.
We want to communicate that is our interest that the Teleworking Center 
at the RRTT- Buenos Aires University go on working as focal point at the 
WSIS.
We are gratefull to Beatriz Busaniche for her important labor 
developmented during 2003.
Please we will be please to take note of my name and adress:

Lic. Sonia A. Boiarov
Directora
boiarov@caminandoutopias.org.ar
Tel/fax (54 11) 4771-1281
Cel.: (54 11) 15-5021-1316
Marcelo T. de Alvear 2230- Of. 208
Ciudad Aut?noma de Buenos Aires
Argentina

Best regards.
Lic. Sonia Boiarov

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Punto Focal en Bureau Sociedad Civil CMSI - Confirmacion de 
Afiliaci?n..
Date: 	Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:47:10 -0400
From: 	Robert Guerra <rguerra@cpsr.org>
To: 	boiarov@caminandoutopias.org.ar



Estimada Se?ora Boiarov:

Al haber recibido la notificacion de Beatriz Busaniche (a 
continuaci?n), y al ser su organizacion la que sirve como punto focal 
en el bureau de la sociedad civil para la cumbre quisiera confirmar-

Si su organizacion desea seguir como punto focal.


Si es el caso, por favor envia a la seguiente dioreccion los datos 
completos (nombre, direccion, # telefono, etc) a la siguiente 
direcci?n:

wsis@privaterra.org


a la espera de su respuesta.

un cordial saludo,

Roberto Guerra


>From: Beatriz Busaniche <busaniche@caminandoutopias.org.ar>
>To: Sonia Boiarov <boiarov@caminandoutopias.org.ar>
>Cc: bureau@wsis-cs.org, meigs@wanadoo.fr, muguet@mdpi.org,
>	Divina FRAU-MEIGS <divinameigs@hotmail.com>
>Subject: [CS Bureau] Contact Info - July 2004 Update
>Sender: bureau-admin@wsis-cs.org
>Reply-To:
>X-Reply-To: busaniche@caminandoutopias.org.ar
>Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:28:57 -0300
>Status:  
>
>Dear CSB Members
>
>i would like to inform that i will not go on working with the Centro de
>Teletrabajo from the University of Buenos Aires.
>
>If you need information from the CTT please contact Sonia Boiarov
>boiarov@caminandoutopias.org.ar
>
>i will go on involved in wsis process but with other acredited
>organizations like Hipatia (global NGO) or Fundaci?n V?a Libre (From
>Argentina)
>
>regards
>Beatriz Busaniche
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Bureau mailing list
>Bureau@wsis-cs.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bureau


--
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>


From rguerra at cpsr.org  Mon Sep 20 18:36:39 2004
From: rguerra at cpsr.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Names for IGWG
Message-ID: <p06200a05bd74c2f2360c@[192.168.1.251]>

if the names are to be sent to plenary, who do they come from? just 
anyone, or designated focal points for a particular caucus or another.

It would be good if the process in terms of how the selection was 
done was known. Otherwise, we can all just nominate ourselves without 
anyone knowing if that in fact is the consensus of a given caucus, 
working group and/or CS family.





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###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From viola at icvolunteers.org  Tue Sep 21 01:58:24 2004
From: viola at icvolunteers.org (Viola Krebs)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [CS Bureau] Re: Change of email address / Media
Message-ID: <E1C9YzA-0001DW-Vq@srv.brk07.com>

Dear Robert,

This seems indeed a delicate issue and I am not sure anyone is in the
position to take a decision, without having it discussed more than in an
informal online forum. 

Indeed, I believe consultation and ultimately a decision are needed
within the Educational Family. They were the ones who asked the
Teleworking Center at the RRTT- Buenos Aires University, represented by
Beatriz Busaniche, to serve as the Educational Family Focal Point. 

In case of a change, it is again the Educational Family that can decide
who is best suited to serve as its focal point on the CSB.

I therefore suggest that the Educational Family has an internal
consultation to determine who should be its focal point in the future.
The decision should then be communicated to all of us, with a list of
members of the Educational Family who support the new nomination that
will have been put forward.

Kind regards,

Viola Krebs

> The following email has just landed in my mailbox, and to be honest i 
> have no idea what to do.
> 
> At the time the bureau was setup it was one's organization that had 
> the focal point position. Though i don't know if that was confirmed 
> in a vote by either the plenary or the bureau itself.
> 
> Now the situation presents itself - what to do when someone changes 
> the organization they are with. Does the focal point stay with the 
> person, or stay with the organization. Who, better said - which the 
> civil society structures decides and/or confirms ?
> 
> 
> I am not, nor i think is anyone else on the bureau able to decide. 
> For me, it is the CS family in question - in this case education - 
> that needs to advise all of us as a whole as to what to do next.
> 
> To be honest -  I do not, and will not engage in a debate or endless 
> dialogue as to what to do.  I simply am asking  the plenary and 
> bureau as a whole to take on this item - and it  decide what to do 
> next.
> 
> Personally - i do not want to get accused of being partial to this or 
> that side, and thus give this very public notice that I will abstain 
> from the discussions and decision process on this particular matter.
> 
> 
> regards
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 	From: 	  boiarov@caminandoutopias.org.ar
> 	Subject: 	[Fwd: Punto Focal en Bureau Sociedad Civil 
> CMSI - Confirmacion de  Afiliaci?n..]
> 	Date: 	September 19, 2004 11:25:51 PM EDT
> 	To: 	  wsis@privaterra.org, rguerra@privaterra.org, 
> bureau@wsis-cs.org, plenary@wsis-cs.org
> 
> Dear all:
> As you know, Miss Beatriz Busaniche will not go on working with us.
> We want to communicate that is our interest that the Teleworking 
> Center at the RRTT- Buenos Aires University go on working as focal 
> point at the WSIS.
> We are gratefull to Beatriz Busaniche for her important labor 
> developmented during 2003.
> Please we will be please to take note of my name and adress:
> 
> Lic. Sonia A. Boiarov
> Directora
> boiarov@caminandoutopias.org.ar
> Tel/fax (54 11) 4771-1281
> Cel.: (54 11) 15-5021-1316
> Marcelo T. de Alvear 2230- Of. 208
> Ciudad Aut?noma de Buenos Aires
> Argentina
> 
> Best regards.
> Lic. Sonia Boiarov
> 
> 
> -- 
> ###
> Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
> Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>
> _______________________________________________
> Bureau mailing list
> Bureau@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bureau
> 
> 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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From taipurcell at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 21 10:55:19 2004
From: taipurcell at hotmail.com (Tai Purcell)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] RE: [Ngowomen] WSIS-B+10: Media and ICT Caucus Statement
Message-ID: <BAY16-F14hsyrYrZuvb00005fe8@hotmail.com>

Thanks Karen, I particularly like this paragraph, "It further notes the 
under-representation of women in decision making positions in the media and 
ICT". This is very true, especially here in the Pacific. While many 
organisations now has a standard statement on any ICT jobs like "Women are 
encouraged to apply", I wonder how may women are appointed. Do you know if 
anyone has conducted a survey? What do women have to do in order to be 
appointed to decision maker positions?
I recently applied for the position of "ICT Advisor" in the Pacific for a UN 
agency, and a "male" has been appointed (which I am happy with because he is 
a Pacific person) but it would be a good idea for these international and/or 
UN agencies to advice the "unsuccessful women" applicants of "why they were 
not selected so they can focus on those weaknesses and try again in the 
future."

I am awaiting the reasons of my being unsuccessful or weaknesses of my 
interview (I was shorlisted) to help me improve on the weaknesses for future 
ICT decision making roles. I did ask and hope I will get this feedback as it 
will be benefitial for me for future roles.

The strange thing is, the appointment appeared in the local paper last week 
but I (as one of the unsuccessful applicants) am still waiting for an 
official advice. I only found out that I was not successful after I sent an 
email to some people who were on the Panel. Is this a strange situation or 
is it me?

So, well done but I strongly recommend to include "the need to provide 
feedback or list of weaknesses of why women applicants were not selected" to 
help them further improve their chances for the future. Could be a strategy! 
What do you think?




>From: karen banks <karenb@gn.apc.org>
>Reply-To: ngowomen@genderit.org
>To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>CC: wsis-gc@genderwsis.org, ngowomen@genderit.org
>Subject: [Ngowomen] WSIS-B+10: Media and ICT Caucus Statement
>Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:52:39 +0100
>
>dear all,
>
>A statement from the Beijing Plus 10 review in Bangkok (Asia-Pacific 
>regional meeting) from the Media and ICT Caucus. Please note the references 
>to WSIS.
>
>I am afraid this statement is only available in english.
>
>karen
>
>>The following is a report from the Asia-Pacific Women's Watch onsite 
>>report of teh B+10 Intergovernmental High Level Meeting organized by the 
>>UN Economic and Social Commission of Asia Pacific. Daily reports from the 
>>HLM will be available through the APWW-mailing list, and will also be made 
>>available from the APNGO-Forum website at 
>>http://ap-ngo-forum.isiswomen.org
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Media and ICT Caucus Statement at the Asia-Pacific
>>High-Level Meeting on Beijing + 10
>>Bangkok, Thailand 7-10 September, 2004
>>
>>The Media and ICT Caucus wish to state from the outset our reaffirmation
>>of the commitments of the BPFA and the Cairo Programme of Action, and
>>their Plus 5 documents.
>>
>>The BPFA is a milestone document that acknowledged the need for greater
>>recognition and relevant strategies by all stakeholders to accelerate the
>>advancement of women through a diverse range of media forms in its Women
>>and Media Section (Section J). It  further notes the under-representation
>>of women in decision-making positions in the media and information and
>>communication technologies (ICT), and the lack of gender sensitivity
>>within media organizations.
>>
>>It also calls for the need to eliminate negative, degrading and
>>stereotypical images of women in the media, in order to reflect the
>>realities and diversities of women’s lives and contributions to society.
>>
>>Despite these Section J provisions, negative and stereotypical women’s
>>images are still very common in the media. Women media practitioners are
>>still denied the opportunities to advance to decision making positions
>>within media organizations. Women continue to experience discrimination in
>>various forms. The same pattern exists in the ICT spaces.
>>
>>Since 1995, media have become more and more commercialised and globalized.
>>Most public service media have also started operating as commercial media
>>enterprises.
>>
>>Another major development that has taken place after 1995 is the rapid
>>growth of the new information and communication technologies. It has
>>dramatically changed the ways by which media production and distribution
>>take place. It has enabled women’s media, information and communication
>>groups to advocate on critical issues such as the plight of women in armed
>>conflict situations, the challenges they face in their conflict prevention
>>and peacebuilding work, and the risks women human right defenders
>>confront.
>>
>>The World Summit on the Information Society recognises the importance of
>>new ICT in development. However, an equitable and inclusive ‘Information
>>Society’ must be based on the principles of gender equality,
>>non-discrimination and women's empowerment as contained in the Beijing
>>Declaration and Platform for Action and the CEDAW Convention.
>>
>>We would like to draw the attention of delegates to the opportunities that
>>community and independent media provides women that enable them to
>>participate in media production and decision-making in the media. We also
>>wish to underscore that women’s active involvement in the media ensures
>>diversity and plurality of views and allows women’s and people’s
>>organisations to promote the goals of gender equality.
>>
>>Community and independent media are therefore enabling and relevant
>>mechanisms that can address emerging issues highlighted in this
>>conference. They provide avenues for dialogue with civil society
>>organisations as well as governments on development and other issues that
>>impact on their lives. However, many governments in the Asia-Pacific
>>region have yet to recognise the crucial role and the potentials of
>>community and independent media.
>>
>>We therefore recommend that:
>>
>>·       Governments create more responsive regulatory frameworks to 
>>support all
>>forms of community and independent media, and in particular community
>>broadcasting.
>>·       Universal Access is ensured to all women and men, communities and
>>nations to ensure the right to access and effectively use the information
>>and knowledge they need to address their development concerns.
>>·       Governance and ICT Policies must enable full and equal 
>>participation of
>>women. A gender perspective must be incorporated by all stakeholders
>>involved in the process of planning, implementing, monitoring and
>>evaluating national ICT plans and programs.
>>·       Historical patterns of gender segregation in employment within the 
>>ICT
>>sector be countered.
>>·       All stakeholders promote the maintenance and growth of the common 
>>wealth
>>of human knowledge as a means of reducing global inequality and of
>>providing the conditions for intellectual creativity and sustainable
>>development.
>>·       Policy and regulatory frameworks to address the use of the 
>>internet be
>>developed inclusively and transparently with all stakeholders,
>>particularly women, and be based on the international human rights
>>framework encompassing rights related to privacy and confidentiality,
>>freedom of expression and opinion and other related rights.
>>
>>
>>Sharon Bhagwan Rolls on behalf of the Media and ICT Caucus
>>
>>World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters (AMARC)/Women’s
>>International Network (WIN)
>>Isis International-Manila
>>FemLink Pacific
>>Association for Progressive Communications (APC)
>>Antenna Foundation Nepal
>>Sancharika Samuha
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Ngowomen mailing list
>Ngowomen@genderit.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/ngowomen

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From Bruno.Salgues at int-evry.fr  Tue Sep 21 13:03:20 2004
From: Bruno.Salgues at int-evry.fr (Bruno SALGUES)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CALL FOR PAPERS ICT4GOV Final
In-Reply-To: <20040921104310.98601.qmail@web25008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20040921104310.98601.qmail@web25008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1095768200.41501888a31c5@imp.int-evry.fr>

i propose to present a paper on this conference

bruno


Selon Leopold Leslie Lanquaye Armah <armahleo@yahoo.co.uk>:

> Hi All,
>    For further information please write to
> info@techgov.gh or check www.techgov.gh .....
>
>
>
> CALL FOR PAPERS
>
> ICT for Government 2005
>
> An African Regional WSIS PrepCom Pre-Event
>
>
> 3rd ICT for Government Conference
>
> Accra International Conference Centre, Accra, Ghana
>
> 27-28 January 2005
>
> Hosted by: Ministry of Communications, Ghana
>
> Organized by: Techgov
>
>
> ICT for Government 2005 is the third working
> conference on Information and Communications
> Technology solutions for government operations,
> egovernment and national development. ICT for
> Government seeks to promote public/Private sector
> partnerships for the development of solutions for all
> levels of government.
>
>
> TOPICS
>
> We solicit presentations on developmental concepts or
> solutions for egovernment and national development.
>
> Suggested topics include - but are not limited to:
>
> 1.       Government Solutions for Human Capital
> Management
>  2.       Open Source for Government
>
>  3.       eLearning
>
>  4.       eHealth
>
>  5.       eRural Development
>
> 6.       Security and Protection of Critical
> Infrastructure
>
>  7.       Connectivity and Connectivity Regulatory
> Issues
>
> 8.       B2G Solutions
>
>  9.       Knowledge and Content Development
>
> 10.    Human Capacity Development
>
>
> INSTRUCTIONS FOR AUTHORS
>
> Each presentation must be at most 20 minutes long and
> must include a short abstract and a list of keywords
> indicating subject classification, and its
> introduction should summarize the contributions of the
> paper at a level appropriate for a non-specialist
> reader. PowerPoint Presentation of the paper is very
> much encouraged. The proceedings of the conference
> will be published on the conference website.
>
>
>
> VENUE
>
> The conference will take place at the Accra
> International Conference Centre, the traditional venue
> for ICT for Government Conference and Exhibition. The
> Accra International Conference Centre is famed for
> hosting many international conferences and events with
> equally high profile as ICT for Government. The venue
> will also be used for the WSIS Africa Regional PrepCom
> to be hosted by Ghana from February 2 to 4 2005
>
>
>
> IMPORTANT DATES
>
> Deadline for submission: 31st October 2004
>
> Notification of acceptance: 10th November 2004
>
> Camera-ready papers: 17th December 2004
>
>
> Techgov
> No 2 Ridge Close, North Ridge, Accra
> PO Box GP 18843, Accra
> Tel233 21 254768 / 233 24 4272355 / 233 24 4379 231
>
> info@techgov.gh
> www.techgov.gh
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Leopold,
> AYI,
> Ghana
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Bruno.Salgues at int-evry.fr  Tue Sep 21 13:08:52 2004
From: Bruno.Salgues at int-evry.fr (Bruno SALGUES)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1095768532.415019d46700a@imp.int-evry.fr>


i propose me to organized one coordination of events
je me propose d'organiser une coordination des evenements

deux objectifs:
D?fendre la pr?sence de la soci?t? civile dans les ?v?nements th?matiques et
r?gionaux, y compris ceux des ?tats.

Coordonner les efforts de la soci?t? civile concernant les ? side events ? .

Proposed action
Defending the presence of civil society in all thematic  and regional events,
including those of the states.

Coordinating the efforts of the civil society concerning the "side events".


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From avri at acm.org  Tue Sep 21 13:41:30 2004
From: avri at acm.org (avri@acm.org)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [not] Thinking about "intellectual property" is....[not thinking]
In-Reply-To: <E1C8FAy-0006Tl-1h@fencepost.gnu.org>
References: <s148ac84.048@gwia201.syr.edu> <E1C8FAy-0006Tl-1h@fencepost.gnu.org>
Message-ID: <8FA493DD-0BCB-11D9-95E2-000393CC2112@acm.org>

On 17 sep 2004, at 05.37, Richard Stallman wrote:

> If we find that the WGIG is inclined to criticize existing copyright
> and patent rules, strongly enough that they would take a shot at
> TRIPES, by all means let's encourage them to do it.  However, if they
> are not inclined to do this, they may as well say nothing about those
> areas.
>

What I am trying to argue is: Until the WGIG is constituted and sets 
about on its tasks, it will be difficult to know what positions it will 
be willing to take.

I assume the WGIG will be doing analysis and recommendations for 
solving problems, and it seems possible to me that it could take any 
number of positions, hopefully 'correct' ones and even some strong 
ones.

a.


From ecarll at optonline.net  Tue Sep 21 14:54:05 2004
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] FW:  possible virus on List
Message-ID: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCIEALHPAA.ecarll@optonline.net>

Clarification to my prior email, as I did receive Robert's post back from
the list.

 However, I received the one below from the list with a zip file attachment.
As I never open zip files as often they are viruses, thought I would post to
alert others to the possibility.  Perhaps Andy Carvin can reply as to
whether he sent this message with the zip file attachment to the plenary
list.

Elizabeth

Dr. Elizabeth Carll
Focal Point
International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
Chair Media/ICT Working Group,
NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York
Tel: 1-631-754-2424
Fax: 1-631-754-5032
ecarll@optonline.net


-----Original Message-----
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Of Acarvin
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 7:16 AM
To: Plenary
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Site changes



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From acarvin at edc.org  Tue Sep 21 15:09:44 2004
From: acarvin at edc.org (Andy Carvin)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: FW:  possible virus on List
In-Reply-To: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCIEALHPAA.ecarll@optonline.net>
References: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCIEALHPAA.ecarll@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <41503628.4000100@edc.org>

Hi everyone,

It appears some virus is spoofing my address and sending out a message 
to the list; Bruno Oudet and I were just trying to figure it out. It's 
not actually coming from my computer (I use a Mac, and it's generally 
virus-safe) but is coming from someone else's infected email account 
that had my email address in their contacts list. It then forged my 
address. So there's nothing I can do about it on my computer since it's 
not originating from me; is it possible to increase the security on the 
Mailman server to detect viruses?

ac



Elizabeth Carll, PhD wrote:
> Clarification to my prior email, as I did receive Robert's post back from
> the list.
> 
>  However, I received the one below from the list with a zip file attachment.
> As I never open zip files as often they are viruses, thought I would post to
> alert others to the possibility.  Perhaps Andy Carvin can reply as to
> whether he sent this message with the zip file attachment to the plenary
> list.
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> Dr. Elizabeth Carll
> Focal Point
> International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
> Chair Media/ICT Working Group,
> NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York
> Tel: 1-631-754-2424
> Fax: 1-631-754-5032
> ecarll@optonline.net
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On Behalf
> Of Acarvin
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 7:16 AM
> To: Plenary
> Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Site changes
> 
> 
> 
> Attached file is protected with the password for security reasons. Password
> is

-- 
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Program Director
EDC Center for Media & Community
acarvin @ edc . org
http://www.digitaldividenetwork.org
http://www.edwebproject.org/andy/blog/
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From beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar  Tue Sep 21 19:08:50 2004
From: beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar (Beatriz Busaniche)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Names for IGWG
In-Reply-To: <p06200a05bd74c2f2360c@[192.168.1.251]>
References: <p06200a05bd74c2f2360c@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <1095790129.1962.84.camel@linux.local>

Espa?ol abajo

Dear Robert and friends from plenary mailing list

As you may have noticed a few days ago, Our ex focal point Olinca Marino
announced that she leaves the caucus mailing list to work in another
group. By the moment, this group is closed and to join it you should be
invited, So, it's impossible to recognice any representation of our
caucus in that closed group. That group just represents the people that
is in the group.   Latin american caucus is still working within the
original mailing list. 

Since Olinca announced her position to start working somewhere else, lac
caucus decided to make another focal point election, but as the
selection for working group was urgent, we started those discutions
within the public and open lac caucus.

the archives of lac caucus and our selection process, including the
different positions papers we've been discusing are public and everybody
who wants to check, could see the archives of the only open, public and
"free to join" mailing list of lac caucus, the original lac caucus
mailing list.

http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/public/lac/2004-September/date.html


In order to prevent any confusion, please let me add that i am answering
this e-mail as just one member of this caucus. 

In order to go on with transparency policy as we did during the whole
first phase, we would like to invite everybody who speaks spanish, to
check our seleccion process in this september archives of our mailing
list. There you could see some interesting discusions not only about
Internet governance and internet freedom, but also about Radio Spectrum
and free spectrum. 

We'll select another focal point and we will keep plenary informed asap.
------------------

Estimado Robert y amigos de la plenaria

Como habr?n notado algunos dias atr?s, nuestra ex punto focal olinca
marino ha decidido dejar la lista de correos del caucus para trabajar en
otros espacios.  Hasta el momento, ese grupo es cerrado y para ingresar
a ?l se debe tener invitaci?n.  Dado que ese grupo es cerrado, es
imposible reconocer ning?n tipo de representaci?n de nuestro caucus en
ese grupo. Ese grupo s?lo representa a las organizaciones que lo
conforman.  El caucus de america latina sigue trabajando en la lista
original del caucus. 

Desde que Olinca anunci? su decisi?n de trabajar desde otro lugar, el
caucus lac decidi? elegir otro punto focal, pero como la elecci?n para
el IGWG era m?s urgente, decidimos iniciar esa discusi?n en el caucus. 


Los archivos del caucus lac y nuestro proceso de selecci?n, incluyendo
las diferentes posiciones que hemos estado discutiendo son p?blicas y
todos los que deseen revisarlas, pueden ver los archivos de la ?nica
lista abierta, p?blica y de acceso libre del caucus de america latina,
la lista original del caucus lac  


http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/public/lac/2004-September/date.html

Para prevenir cualquier confusi?n, por favor perm?tanme agregar que
estoy respondiendo este mensaje como un miembro m?s del caucus. 

Para mantener nuestra pol?tica de transparencia, como hicimos a lo largo
de todo el proceso de la primera fase, deseamos invitar a toda persona
que hable espa?ol a revisar nuestro proceso de elecci?n en los archivos
completos del mes de septiembre de la lista de correos. 
 All? no s?lo podr?n ver nuestras discusiones sobre gobierno y libertad
de internet, sino tambi?n una interesante discusi?n sobre espectro
radioelectrico y espectro libre. 

elegiremos un nuevo punto focal tan pronto como sea posible e
informaremos al respecto a la plenaria. 





El lun, 20-09-2004 a las 14:36, Robert Guerra escribi?:
> if the names are to be sent to plenary, who do they come from? just 
> anyone, or designated focal points for a particular caucus or another.
> 
> It would be good if the process in terms of how the selection was 
> done was known. Otherwise, we can all just nominate ourselves without 
> anyone knowing if that in fact is the consensus of a given caucus, 
> working group and/or CS family.
> 

You could check our mailing list archives and the names of the people
that decided within latin american caucus.

Not haven yet a new focal point, i just sended the e-mail, because
someone had to to it. As olinca refused to help us with the election
process and decided to quit, we solve the emergency and now we will
start working on the election for a new focal point. 

Puedes revisar nuestros archivos de la lista de correos y los nombres de
las personas que decidieron en el caucus de america latian.

no teniendo punto focal, yo s?lo me limit? a enviar el e-mail, porque
alguien deb?a hacerlo.
Como Olinca se neg? a colaborar en el proceso de elecci?n y decidi?
renunciar, resolvimos la emergencia y ahora vamos a comenzar a trabajar
en el proceso de elecci?n de un nuevo punto focal.

gracias por la preocupaci?n / 

saludos 
> 
> 
> 



From lists at mraihi.com  Tue Sep 21 16:01:58 2004
From: lists at mraihi.com (MRAIHI Marouen)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: FW: possible virus on List
In-Reply-To: &lt;41503628.4000100@edc.org&gt;
References: &lt;LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCIEALHPAA.ecarll@optonline.net&gt;
            &lt;41503628.4000100@edc.org&gt;
Message-ID: <042d7dfe2e45a8c12873c97cf9959db8@>

Yes
That email was not sent from Andy Computer but from a compuer in France.
(France - Alsace - Strasbourg - Est-videocommunication IP= 62.129.182.58)

Marouen

On September 21, 5:09 pm Andy Carvin <acarvin@edc.org> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> It appears some virus is spoofing my address and sending out a message
> to the list; Bruno Oudet and I were just trying to figure it out. It's
> not actually coming from my computer (I use a Mac, and it's generally
> virus-safe) but is coming from someone else's infected email account
> that had my email address in their contacts list. It then forged my
> address. So there's nothing I can do about it on my computer since it's
> not originating from me; is it possible to increase the security on the
> Mailman server to detect viruses?
>
> ac
>
>
>
> Elizabeth Carll, PhD wrote:
> >  Clarification to my prior email, as I did receive Robert's post back
> >  from the list.
> >
> >   However, I received the one below from the list with a zip file
> >  attachment. As I never open zip files as often they are viruses,
> >  thought I would post to alert others to the possibility.  Perhaps
> >  Andy Carvin can reply as to whether he sent this message with the zip
> >  file attachment to the plenary list.
> >
> >  Elizabeth
> >
> >  Dr. Elizabeth Carll
> >  Focal Point
> >  International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
> >  Chair Media/ICT Working Group,
> >  NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York
> >  Tel: 1-631-754-2424
> >  Fax: 1-631-754-5032
> >  ecarll@optonline.net
> >
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> >  From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> >  Behalf Of Acarvin
> >  Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 7:16 AM
> >  To: Plenary
> >  Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Site changes
> >
> >
> >
> >  Attached file is protected with the password for security reasons.
> >  Password is
>
> --
> --------------------------------------
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> Program Director
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> acarvin @ edc . org
> http://www.digitaldividenetwork.org
> http://www.edwebproject.org/andy/blog/
> --------------------------------------

From magaly at greatvideo.com  Tue Sep 21 20:50:37 2004
From: magaly at greatvideo.com (magaly pazello)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] interesante recurso/interesting resource on wsf and cia
Message-ID: <82616769-0C07-11D9-A9D9-000A95B172C6@greatvideo.com>

Dear all, Estimadas/os,

I would like to share it interesting resource on the linkages among 
World Social Forum, Ford Foundation and the CIA written by Beatriz 
Busaniche. Unfortunately it is only in spanish. Beatriz are you 
thinking to translate that into english?

I believe it could be clarify the kind of contentious issues are is 
discussion in the LAC region political arena.

Gustar?a compartir con ustedes este interesante recurso sobre las 
conexines entre el Foro Social Mundial, la Fundaci?n Ford y la CIA 
escrito por Beatriz Busaniche. Lamentablemente est? escrito solamente 
en espa?ol. Beatriz est?s pensando en traducirselo al ingl?s?

Yoi creo que esto puede aclara el tipo de temas contenciosos est?n en 
discusi?n en la arena pol?tica de Am?rica Latina y Caribe.

> http://www.rebelion.org/noticia.php?id=4938


Best,

Abrazos,

Magaly Pazello


From vb at bertola.eu.org  Tue Sep 21 23:15:12 2004
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Quick notes from Geneva
Message-ID: <o061l0hfru76027n5c7pu2f1dlnakmg0br@4ax.com>

I'm sending a quick report with my take on the two days of meetings in
Geneva about the establishment of the WGIG. Please pardon the form, I've
just got home now and I am definitely tired. Possibly others will
correct/complete my notes.

First day, focused on "what is Internet Governance?". Everyone takes place
in the big UN room, panelists at the centre, governments in the first rows,
everyone else behind. You can recognize non-governmental people because
they're the only ones with laptops - unfortunately the wireless LAN does not
work and there are just three power outlets in a 300-people room. Make note:
let's send a message to Kummer and stress that we need Internet-age
instruments to work. I'd have liked to be online on an IRC channel to chat
with whoever wanted to follow remotely.

Morning session starts one hour late, due to the quite inefficient UN
accreditation system which kept most participants out in queue for one hour
or so. First introductions, then Tunisia (ccTLD rep) and China (government).
Then presentations - first focused on mapping issues and principles (Drake,
Kurbalija, Mueller), then giving stakeholder perspectives (including Karen
Banks from APC and Olivier Nana Nzepa with an African perspective, both much
appreciated). Bill's "soft power" concept (you shouldn't rule the Internet
by force, but by consensus and moral suasion) will be often quoted in many
interventions.

Lunch break, then general discussion. First two hours almost completely
occupied by country statements, then floor is also given to private sector
and civil society. Most governments discuss whether the definition to be
used is the narrow one (ie almost just ICANN) or the broad one (ie all the
rest, including IPR, privacy, spam etc etc). Most speakers seem in favour of
the broad one - surprisingly, even ISOC agrees. Many governments, UN
agencies etc. exploit the opportunity to tell the world how well they are
doing in ICT. Many governments already hint at the composition, and while no
one seems to doubt that the group has to be multi-stakeholder, almost all
governments push for governments to have at least half of the group. (More
on this below)

I speak towards the end of the afternoon, and try to shake the audience up a
little by waving high my Creative Zen and a copy-protected audio CD and
complaining that real IG issues are the ones about which real people care -
such as buying stuff that doesn't work due to anticopy protections. Oh well,
the audience seemed to like my little show - at least I countered the WIPO
intervention, that said that there are plenty of NGOs participating there,
so everything is ok with IPR.

Other good CS speeches by Izumi Aizu, Alex Pisanty, Wolfgang Kleinwaechter
(about a distributed hierarchical network of institutions, I liked the
concept) and certainly others I'm forgetting (pardon me, it's midnight now
here). Nice final intervention by the Youth Caucus rep, who introduces their
contribution. Other people and entities who signed up to speak, including
Bertrand de la Chapelle and Joseph Sarr (and ICANN...), are deferred to the
following day.

At the end I chat a bit with a former Ambassador from Jamaica, he's a little
disappointed because no one mentioned Internet connection charges, which are
a huge cost for developing countries - he's right, we have to push this
issue as well. Some governmental people complain that too few governments
were on the panels :/ I also grab Mr. Kurbalija and tell him he should not
use the term "hacking" to mean "cybercrime", he promises to update his
presentation.

Second day, focused on composition and working methods of WGIG. A couple of
governments present their positions, then Lynn St. Amour for ISOC (she
explains the IETF and the other I* entities), then Jeanette (Hofmann) with a
great presentation about the IG caucus statements. Many governments
expressed appreciation for what she said, and I think we're establishing
ourselves as smart people.

Nonetheless, in the following discussion, most governments seem to agree
that WG should have 40 members (other say 20 or 30), of which at least half
should be governments (some, such as the EU, even say that UN agencies such
as ITU etc do not count as governments, but should be counted in the other
half). Many of us try to lobby their own governmental delegations to push
for the "one third, one third, one third" subdivision we have been proposing
in our statement. Informal feedback is: no way, but you're likely to get one
fourth, possibly 6-10 people depending on the final size of the group.

Anyway, even if in substance differences between countries are not huge,
there are significant differences in wordings and attitudes. I take the
floor again to make the case for the equal subdivision of the WGIG among
stakeholders, mentioning DVD and Jon Johansen as an example of what happens
if you make policies without involving users and taking into account what
they need; also stress the importance of including Internet users and young
people in the group. Unfortunately China takes the floor soon after me and
stresses that equal number of members is absolutely unacceptable (but, as I
said, in fact also the EU and other countries seem to agree on that). Other
CS speakers include Izumi again about open meetings and multilingualism, and
Veni Markovski stressing the need for money. Oh, and some governments' only
core message was "we want to be represented in the group".

There also seems to be more or less agreement on the usefulness of a
separate "advisory group" (or "second tier") with experts on the specific
issues.

Session ends at 5:40pm, let's shake hands and thank Kummer for the fact that
we actually had good opportunities to take the floor (much more than, say,
in the NY meeting in March). I bring Adam and Izumi to the airport, then
drive back through the Alps down to my home in Turin. Mont Blanc tunnel was
fine today, but wish there were less roadworks - I get home at 10pm.

What next? Kummer presented a tentative timeframe, which is: by October,
group is composed (which means that CS should submit its suggested names in
the next ten days at latest); preliminary report to be released for
PrepCom-2, possibly with a two days open consultation in Geneva just before
PrepCom-2 starts; final report out in June, so to be considered for
PrepCom-3. WGIG should possibly meet four times (late Nov, Feb before PC2,
April and June), with regional/online consultations in the middle. Egypt
already is planning one of them. Also saw announcements of a Public Voice
meeting in Cape Town just after the ICANN meeting.

I surely forgot people, things, plenty of other stuff. Excuse me about that.
-- 
vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<------
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Vecchio sito, nuovo tobl?g...

From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Wed Sep 22 02:44:38 2004
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] interesante recurso/interesting resource on
 wsf and cia
In-Reply-To: <82616769-0C07-11D9-A9D9-000A95B172C6@greatvideo.com>
References: <82616769-0C07-11D9-A9D9-000A95B172C6@greatvideo.com>
Message-ID: <p06200a13bd768775c356@[192.168.1.251]>

Magaly:

As focal point for north america and europe on the CS bureau i'll 
make a point of sharing the link you mentioned with the organizations 
I might now that are mentioned in the article. No doubt they will be 
in interested to read Ms. Busaniche's article and her views on the 
information society.

I will only say this - I don't share Ms. Busaniche's views....

regards

Robert

At 4:50 PM -0300 9/21/04, magaly pazello wrote:
>Dear all, Estimadas/os,
>
>I would like to share it interesting resource on the linkages among 
>World Social Forum, Ford Foundation and the CIA written by Beatriz 
>Busaniche. Unfortunately it is only in spanish. Beatriz are you 
>thinking to translate that into english?
>
>
>>http://www.rebelion.org/noticia.php?id=4938
>
>

--
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Wed Sep 22 02:49:57 2004
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] interesante recurso/interesting resource on
 wsf and cia
Message-ID: <p06200a15bd768a2d665d@[192.168.1.251]>

further to my earlier message :

Beatriz - do you have an english translation of the article magaly 
mentioned? I would very much appreciate it, as i'd like to  circulate 
it to the government officials in Canada, the USA and the EU.

thanks

Robert

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From karenb at gn.apc.org  Wed Sep 22 10:51:42 2004
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Quick notes from Geneva
In-Reply-To: <o061l0hfru76027n5c7pu2f1dlnakmg0br@4ax.com>
References: <o061l0hfru76027n5c7pu2f1dlnakmg0br@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20040922101603.03db2e70@pop.gn.apc.org>

hi vittorio,

This is a great report, thanks for doing it so quickly.

Milton Mueller has also posted a report which is a good compliment to yours.
http://www.icannwatch.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/21/1812238&mode=thread

For those interested, i really recommend reading over the papers Vittorio 
noted from the priority setting session. They lay out the matrix of Global 
ICT governance issues, governance mechanisms, bodies involved, type of body 
etc. This is very useful when thinking about the 'basket of issues' the 
WGIG should take on.

references:

Bill Drake: http://www.itu.int/wsis/preparatory2/wgig/drake.pdf
Reframing Internet Governance Discourse: Fifteen Baseline Propositions*

Internet Governance Propject (Milton Mueller et al):
http://www.itu.int/wsis/preparatory2/wgig/ig-project1.pdf
Internet Governance, The State of Play

Jovan Kurbalija (Diplo) presentation based on the quite well known 
'Information society governance - under construction' cartoon: 
http://www.diplomacy.edu/Diplo/Calendar2004/img/governance.jpg
and the IS Governance cube: 
http://www.diplomacy.edu/activities/wsis/governance/cube.swf

>Most governments discuss whether the definition to be
>used is the narrow one (ie almost just ICANN) or the broad one (ie all the
>rest, including IPR, privacy, spam etc etc). Most speakers seem in favour of
>the broad one - surprisingly, even ISOC agrees.

Yes - that is true, almost everyone did. But the real debate i think, will 
be which of these issues might be included in a working definition, and 
what mandate, if any, the WGIG would have to reommend/advocate policy 
change in the various bodies involved eg WTO, WIPO, ITU etc. (The WTO was 
absent i believe from the meeting - unlike WIPO and the ITU who were quite 
actively involved).

Many of the interventions acknowledging the need for a 'broad definition' 
also noted that the WGIG should only deal with issues in other spaces which 
are 'not being dealt with effectively'. And where they are not being dealt 
with effectively, what kind of changes could be recommended.

If the WGIG does indeed take on a broader working definition of internet 
governance, it would be very interesting and important for civil society 
groups to articulate which existing governance mechanisms are 'not working 
effectively' and why. We already have many partners and colleagues active 
around WTO, WIPO and other processes - working together is going to be very 
important.

i think this kind of work needs to happen even if the WGIG didn't take on 
this broader definition

This is where i found a section of Bill Drake's background paper very 
useul. It defines many of the governance bodies according to certain 
'attributes' and then proposes to add more 'value' based criteria such as 
transparency, inclusiveness, fairness and accountability - as a 'lense' to 
assess the governance body/mechanism. We have talked also about doing an 
assessment of the extent to which various governance bodies are inclusive 
and open to meaningful civil society participation.

on the comment from the former ambassador from Jamaica re no comment on 
inter-connection prices, i thought olivier (africa caucus) did raise this?, 
and it is certainly in the APC paper and a great concern to our members - 
he was very right in raising it..

karen




From vb at bertola.eu.org  Wed Sep 22 11:25:50 2004
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Quick notes from Geneva
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20040922101603.03db2e70@pop.gn.apc.org>
References: <o061l0hfru76027n5c7pu2f1dlnakmg0br@4ax.com>
	 <6.1.1.1.0.20040922101603.03db2e70@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <1095848749.3773.1584.camel@croce>

Il mer, 2004-09-22 alle 11:51, karen banks ha scritto:
> Yes - that is true, almost everyone did. But the real debate i think, will 
> be which of these issues might be included in a working definition, and 
> what mandate, if any, the WGIG would have to reommend/advocate policy 
> change in the various bodies involved eg WTO, WIPO, ITU etc.

I liked Bertrand's idea of three baskets (issues that everyone thinks
the WGIG should deal with immediately, issues on which there is no
agreement, and issues everyone agrees should not be dealt with
immediately). I think we should push for a quick but open first phase in
which all proposed agenda items are collected, and then the WGIG divides
them in these categories.

> Many of the interventions acknowledging the need for a 'broad definition' 
> also noted that the WGIG should only deal with issues in other spaces which 
> are 'not being dealt with effectively'. And where they are not being dealt 
> with effectively, what kind of changes could be recommended.

I remember someone (El Salvador?) noting that "yes, we should not fix
what is not broken, but first we should assess whether it is broken or
not". Apparently most people in the audience agreed with that.
-- 
.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo vb.
Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu.org
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 22 12:05:53 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <1095768532.415019d46700a@imp.int-evry.fr>
Message-ID: <20040922110553.81514.qmail@web60710.mail.yahoo.com>

Bruno,
Felicitation, tu peux compter sur mon appui,
l'essentiel etant que la liste soit multilangue.
Bien a toi
Djilali
Bruno, congratulation, i am available to support your
initiative as long as it will be a multilunguage list.
Al the best
--- Bruno SALGUES <Bruno.Salgues@int-evry.fr> wrote:

> 
> 
> i propose me to organized one coordination of events
> je me propose d'organiser une coordination des
> evenements
> 
> deux objectifs:
> Défendre la présence de la société civile dans les
> évènements thématiques et
> régionaux, y compris ceux des états.
> 
> Coordonner les efforts de la société civile
> concernant les « side events » .
> 
> Proposed action
> Defending the presence of civil society in all
> thematic  and regional events,
> including those of the states.
> 
> Coordinating the efforts of the civil society
> concerning the "side events".
> 
> 
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From herve at info.unicaen.fr  Wed Sep 22 11:53:39 2004
From: herve at info.unicaen.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Herv=E9_Le_Crosnier?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Droits de la Communication : EFRC Londres, 14 octobre
Message-ID: <415159B3.7000207@info.unicaen.fr>


Le Forum Europ?en sur les Droits de la Communication
Jeudi 14 Octobre 2004 -- Londres


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The Media Culture and Communications Rights Network

Le R?seau M?dias, Culture et Communication

pr?sente

The European Forum on Communication Rights
Le Forum Europ?en sur les Droits de la Communication

Jeudi 14 Octobre 2004
9.15 - 18h30

@ The Camden Centre,
Judd St
Near Kings Cross,
London WC1

Entr?e libre / dons bienvenus
R?servation (pr?f?rable)  info@efcr2004.net
Site web :  www.efcr2004.net



Le Forum Europ?en sur les Droits de la Communication   (European Forum
on Communication Rights - EFCR) se d?roulera le jour pr?c?dent
l'ouverture du Forum Social Europ?en et sera consacr? ? une question
centrale ? laquelle nous devons faire face : comment faire travailler
ensemble celles et ceux qui agissent ? diff?rents niveaux sur les droits
de la communication, depuis les activistes mettant en place des projets
op?rationnels et des campagnes de sensibilisation et mobilisation,
jusqu'? ceux qui sont engag?s dans la d?fense et promotion de ces droits
aupr?s des diverses instances politiques et administratives, en passant
par les chercheurs et les universitaires sp?cialis?s.

Alors que le mouvement mondial autour des Droits de la Communication et
des Droits ? communiquer est ? un tournant, un grand nombre de campagnes
de sensibilisation et d'action sont confront?es aux m?mes r?flexions et
interrogations ? partir d'exp?riences diverses

En d?but de journ?e, plusieurs intervenants sp?cialis?s, des
pr?sentations d'exp?riences et un d?bat public tenteront de mettre en
lumi?re ce qui est en jeu dans la r?volution informationnelle :  qui
poss?de quoi, qui d?tient le pouvoir, et ce que cela repr?sente pour le
reste du monde.

Plus focalis?e sur les questions de s?curit? et de la mise en place
d'une soci?t? de contr?le, sur les questions sp?cifiques des fronti?res
et des migrations et sur la privatisation de l'espace des communications
et du savoir, l'apr?s-midi cherchera ? dessiner des bases communes qui
expliquent la coh?rence de toutes ces tendances, afin de produire des
campagnes d'actions et de sensibilisation fortes, efficaces et adapt?es.

L'EFCR (Forum Europ?en sur les Droits de la Communication) sera le
premier de quatre jours de d?bat, de collaboration et d'?changes et de
r?alisation de m?dias qui se d?rouleront au Centre Camden, pr?s de King
Cross, dans l'un des deux lieux centraux du Forum Social Europ?en.

Principaux intervenants :
-------------------------

Cees J. Hamelink
Cees Hamelink a publi? plus de 250 articles, rappports et de nombreux
livres sur les Droits de la Communication. Il est ? l'origine du
mouvement People's Communication Charter

Sean O'Siochru
Membre de CRIS Campaign Ireland (Communication Rights in the Information
Society) et coordinateur au sein du bureau de la soci?t? civile lors du
Sommet Mondial sur la Soci?t? de l'Information, ? Gen?ve en d?cembre 2003.

Dr. Claudia Padovani
Membre du D?partement d'?tudes politiques et historiques de l'Universit?
de Padoue, et repr?sentante de CRIS en Italie.

Roberto Verzola
Actuellement secr?taire g?n?ral des Verts des Philippines, Roberto
Verzola est l'un des fondateur du mouvement "progressive information and
communication technology".

Ruth Ojiambo Ochieng
Directrice de Isis-WICCE (Women's International Cross Cultural Exchange)
en Ouganda, Ruth Ochieng est aussi membre du Comit? international de
coordination des associations de d?fense des droits des femmes et du
comit? africain des femmes pour le SMSI.
-------------------------------------

Participeront aux tables-rondes et aux d?bats :

Supinya Klangnarong, Secretaire-g?n?rale de  Campaign for Popular Media
Reform en Thailande
Simon Davies, Privacy International
Gus Hosein, Privacy International
Mark Littlewood, No2id Campaign
Hagen Kopp, IOM campaign
Steve Buckley, AMARC
Karen Banks, APC

Et des membres de Institute of Race Relations, Defy-ID, Statewatch,
Indymedia Estrecho (madiaq collective), ainsi que d'autres intervenants
en attente de confirmation.

======================================
  Le Forum Europ?en sur les Droits de la Communication et les quatre
jours de programme ont ?t? mis en place pour compenser un manque au sein
du Forum Social Europ?en. Au moment m?me o? des milliers de participants
membres de divers mouvements se rencontrent et d?battent, l'urgence de
la question des Droits de la Communication et de la d?fense de la
libert? ? communiquer nous semblent devoir ?tre au coeur d'un projet
pour une autre soci?t?.

Ces journ?es seront aussi l'occasion de la cr?ation d'un Centre M?dia
Alternatif Indymedia, pour faciliter les comptes-rendus et les ?missions
de m?dias par tous les participants. Un bar sera ouvert dans les lieux
du d?bat, ainsi que des projections de films.

======================================

PROGRAMME

The European Forum on Communication Rights
Forum Europ?en sur les Droits de la Communication
Jeudi 14 Octobre 2004
9.15 - 18.30

9.15 : Ouverture des portes

9.45 - 10.00 Accueil des participants

10.00 - 10.45 Cees Hamelink (et questions)

10.45 - 11.45 Table-ronde : Les Droits de la Communication dans le
contexte europ?en.
Pr?sentations :  Sean O'Siochru et Claudia Padovani

12.00 - 13.30 Droits de la Communication : comptes rendus d'exp?riences
et r?alit?s sociales.
Pr?sentations : Roberto Verzola (Philippines) et Ruth Ojiambo Ochieng
(Ouganda)

13.30 - 14.30 D?jeuner
(repas ?conomiques sur place ou nombreux pubs aux alentours)

14.30 - 14.45 Introduction aux d?bats de l'apr?s-midi

L'apr?s-midi est consacr?e ? trois questions et cherchera ? d?montrer
les liens qui les unissent. Chaque panel commencera par une courte
introduction, suivie d'un d?bat avec la salle.

14.45- 15.45 : L'?tat s?curitaire et les technologies du contr?le.

Alors que les libert?s publiques sont victimes de la vague des
l?gislations antiterroristes r?pressives qui se mettent en place en
Europe, la Grande-Bretagne est en train de devenir le pays o? se testent
de nouveaux moyens de contr?le et de surveillance. Les ?migrants sont
suivis par satellite ; la population doit poss?der une carte d'identit?
avec des identifiants biom?triques pour pouvoir acc?der aux services de
sant?, aux transports publics et b?n?ficier de services sociaux, dont
toutes les informations sont stock?es dans des bases de donn?es
interconnectables, aux acc?s ouverts ? des centaines de services
gouvernementaux et aux collaborateurs "int?ress?s".

Quel ?tat des lieux, quelles strat?gies sont utilis?es par les
d?fenseurs de libert?s publiques pour ?largir leur audience, emp?cher
cette vague r?pressive et d?fendre les Droits humains fondamentaux ?

15.45 - 6.45 Libert? de d?placement pour les ?migrants et libert?de
communication

Malgr? les tendances au contr?le des migrations et des communicationsau
travers de gigantesques bases de donn?es, comme le Syst?me d'information
de Shengen, les contr?les biom?triques,... les gens continuent ? se
d?placer et ?changer. Cette table-ronde sera consacr?e ? la jonction
entre la d?fense du droit ? communiquer et du droit ? se d?placer, en
jetant le projecteur sur des institutions telles que International
Organisation of Migration (IOM - Organisation mondiale des migrations)
et World Intellectual Property Organisation (WIPO - OMPI : Organisation
mondiale de la Propri?t? intellectuelle) et sur les mouvements qui
s'opposent ? ces formes de gouvernance gloable, et la mani?re dont ils
utilisent les technologies de l'information et de la communication.

16.45 - 17.45 La privatisation de l'espace du savoir et de la communication

La mont?e en puissance du pouvoir des entreprises en Europe se refl?te
dans la concentration acc?l?r?e dans les m?dias et les moyens de
communication. Les r?gles de d?fense du pluralisme ont ?t? insuffisantes
pour limiter la main-mise des grandes corporations sur la vie publique.

Cette table-ronde ?tudiera la mont?e du pouvoir des entreprises de
communication en Tha?lande et en Italie, et leur influence dans la prise
de pouvoir par les industriels. Elle posera la question des mesures
n?cessaires pour contrer l'h?g?monie des grands m?dias et se demandera
si une "autre communication est-elle possible ?", tout en faisant le
parall?le avec les questions de propri?t? intellectuelle.

17.45 - 18.30 Session de cl?ture

Note: The Camden Centre propose un bar qui sera ouvert en soir?e pour la
poursuite informelle des d?bats.

============================

The Media Culture and Communications Rights Network (Le r?seau M?dias,
Culture et Droits de la Communication) regroupe les associations suivantes :

Article 19, Association For Progressive Communications (APC), volunteers
from Babels, Community Media Association UK, Computer Aid International,
members of the CRIS Campaign (Ireland, UK, Italy), E-Hippies, GreenNet,
GreenNet Educational Trust, volunteers from Indymedia Centers in the UK,
France and Germany, Privacy International, World Association of
Christian Communications (WACC), World Association of Community Radio
Broadcasters (AMARC)

============================

Liens et Contacts:

site web EFCR
www.efcr2004.net

contact EFCR
info@efcr2004.net

Site officiel du Forum Social Europ?en
www.fse-esf.org

Site "non-officiel" du Forum Social Europ?en
www.esf2004.net

Espaces autonomes et alternatifs du Forum Social Europ?en
www.altspaces.net

R?seau Indymedia britannique
www.indymedia.org.uk

wiki du Centre des m?dias alternatifs du Forum
http//docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/UkImcEsf




From wolfgang at imv.au.dk  Wed Sep 22 12:13:00 2004
From: wolfgang at imv.au.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_Kleinw=E4chter?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] geneva
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20040922101603.03db2e70@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <5DA0F4CA-0C88-11D9-9758-000393CB284C@imv.au.dk>

Dear all,

here some of my observations from the recent WGIG Meeting in Geneva

1. we made a great step forward with the multistakeholder approach.  
While the participation of non governmental groups in the governmental 
Internet Governance Working Group from PrepCom2 to PrepCom3bis++ was 
blocked and we were moving through the revolving door, in the WGIG 
meeting in Geneva it was taken for granted that governmental and 
non-governmental speakers are communicating on the same level. When 
Jeanette proposed the CS IG Caucus ideas about the composition of the 
WGIG, it came along like a  "draft resolution" and it was treated by 
governments as something like this. The Canadian government commented 
on it and showed that serious proposals from non-governmental actors 
are worth to be considered by governments. The same happened with ideas 
like bill?s "Soft Power" and other proposal tabled by civil society 
speakers. I think the meeting has helped to build new trust and it 
reduced suspision - on both sides. Certainly, it was on procedures only 
and it will look different if it comes to substance. But the first step 
was in the right direction and it is always difficult to go back if all 
agree that this was a positive experience. We should be thankful to 
Kummer and Desai who has helped to make this happen. And it is also a 
great step forward, the the CS IG Caucus has demonstrated visibly that 
it is able to act and is united in its diversity. Regardless of all the 
deficiencies and weaknesses (and the confrontational tone and 
bitterness) we have seen over the last weeks on the list, the way how 
Jeanette and Adam are guiding the process enables us to move forward.

2. the real conflicts are the same as they have been in December 2003. 
No move.  And it is Chinese governments vs. US government. If you read 
the statements of the two delegations, than you see the whole spectrum 
of fundamental (political and philosophical) conflicts. There are some 
interesting new nuances in the Chinese position, but not in the 
substance. The Chinese government argues that private sector leadership 
and self governance of the Internet was wonderful and great in the 
early days of the Internet. Thanks to everybody who has contributed and 
made this happen. But this was the past. Moving to the future, we need 
now new innovations and their innovative proposal is that we have to 
move from private sector leadership to governmental leadership with 
(governmental controlled) participation of private industry and civil 
society. As the "biggest problem of todays internet" she singled out 
the "mjssing of a legitimate organisation under the UN". If this is 
true, than WGIG is about the creation of a new UN Organisation? We 
should not take this pill and try to bypass such a debate on new 
hierarchies and burocracies. We should discuss the concrete issues and 
look into the organisational options for each issue which would allow a 
more diversified and pluralistic approach. What we have to contribute 
as the caucus is that we need more innovative ideas which respect the 
sovereignty of the hierarchical nation states and strengthens the 
responsibility of governments, where needed, but keep the flexibility 
of the network and its self-governenace elements where it makes sense 
and is needed to stimulate innovation and development. And the 
interests of the users should be in the center of all solutions.

3. There is a long way to go. In my optimistic scenario, WGIG will 
produce a report which includes not more than
a. a map of issues
b. a map of institutions and
c. a SWOT analysis of different options and scenarios with descriptions 
like "on the one hand" but "on the other hand". Recommendations will 
say "some propose this" and "some propose that". But such a report 
would be good,. It would enable WSIS II to negotiate a more specific 
mandate for another group which could start to develop concrete 
solutions for unsettled issues after WSIS II. This could be done also 
in parallel with the transformation of ICANN to full independence 
(ICANN 3.0) when the MoU with the DoC will terminate (November 2006) . 
On the basis of recommendations of WGIG II to a WSIS III (somewhere 
between 2007 and 2009) some real decisions, if needed, could be made. 
Be patience. We are only on the eve of a new beginning.  .

Attached is my statement from Mondays afternoon session.

Best regards

Wolfgang

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From magaly at greatvideo.com  Wed Sep 22 15:06:30 2004
From: magaly at greatvideo.com (magaly pazello)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] fyi: caucus lac focal point/punto focal
Message-ID: <9A50C20E-0CA0-11D9-BBEE-000A95B172C6@greatvideo.com>

(english below)
______________________

Estimadas/os amigas/os,

Las organizaciones abajo firmantes, activas en el proceso de la CMSI e 
integrantes del Caucus LAC, coherentes con nuestro compromiso de 
impulsar el debate, la participaci?n y la pluralidad de voces desde 
Am?rica Latina y Caribe, queremos aclarar que Olinca Marino no ha 
renunciado a su rol de Punto Focal para el proceso de la CMSI y que 
seguimos reconoci?ndola como tal.

Estamos en un proceso intenso de reorganizaci?n y como bien se ha 
recordado en este espacio, con base en un trabajo transparente, 
nuestras organizaciones han aportado consistentemente, durante la 
primera fase de la CMSI, en todos los espacios de la sociedad civil 
tanto en la lista correspondiente como en reuniones en Ginebra, as? 
como en Tunis.

Un cordial abrazo,

Dafne Plou, Programa Regional Apoyo a Redes de Mujeres, LAC, APC
Gustavo G?mez, Asociaci?n Mundial de Radios Comunitarias, AMARC-ALC
Pablo Accuosto, Instituto del Tercer Mundo, ITEM
Erick Iriarte, Alfa-Redi
Daniel Pimienta, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
Luis Germ?n Rodr?guez, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
Valeria Betancourt, Proyecto Monitor de Pol?ticas de TIC en LAC, APC.
Eduardo Santoyo, Red Cient?fica Peruana, RCP
Paulo Lima, Red de Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector, RITS
Carlos Afonso, Red de Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector, RITS
Holanda Castro. Centro de Estudios de la Mujer de la Universidad 
Central de Venezuela
Magaly Pazello, Alternativas de Desarrollo con las Mujeres por una 
Nueva Era-DAWN
Katitza Rodriguez, Peruvian chapter of Computer Professionals for 
Social Responsability, CPSR-Per?
Raul Echeberria - LACNIC
Angelica Abdallah, Asociaci?n Argentina de Teletrabajo
Arturo E. Bregaglio, Director FM TRINIDAD 90.1, AMARC-ALC
Carlos Rivadeneyra, CEPES, AMARC-ALC
Victor van Oyen, TINKU - Comunicaci?n y Desarrollo
Aleida Calleja, Comunicacion Comunitaria, M?xico
Taran Rampersad, Linux Gazette  (Editor), Consultant/Writer/Programmer.
Holanda Castro, Universidad Central de Venezuela-CEM/FI

_________________

Dear friends,

The signatories of this letter, active in the WSIS process and part of 
the Caucus LAC, coherent with our commitment to promote the debate, 
participation and the plurality of voices from Latin America and 
Caribbean, we want to make clear that Olinca Marino did not in fact 
resign to its role of Focal Point for the WSIS process that we 
continued recognizing it like so.

We are in an intensive process of reorganization and, as one has 
remembered in this space, we are doing it in base of a transparent 
work, our organizations have contributed consistently, during the WSIS 
first phase, in all civil society spaces as much in the correspondent 
electronic list as in meetings in Geneva and also in Tunis.


Kind regards,

Dafne Plou, Programa Regional Apoyo a Redes de Mujeres, LAC, APC
Gustavo G?mez, Asociaci?n Mundial de Radios Comunitarias, AMARC-ALC
Pablo Accuosto, Instituto del Tercer Mundo, ITEM
Erick Iriarte, Alfa-Redi
Daniel Pimienta, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
Luis Germ?n Rodr?guez, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
Valeria Betancourt, Proyecto Monitor de Pol?ticas de TIC en LAC, APC.
Eduardo Santoyo, Red Cient?fica Peruana, RCP
Paulo Lima, Red de Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector, RITS
Carlos Afonso, Red de Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector, RITS
Holanda Castro. Centro de Estudios de la Mujer de la Universidad 
Central de Venezuela
Magaly Pazello, Development Alternatives with Women for a New Era-DAWN
Katitza Rodriguez, Peruvian chapter of Computer Professionals for 
Social Responsability, CPSR-Per?
Raul Echeberria - LACNIC
Angelica Abdallah, Asociaci?n Argentina de Teletrabajo
Arturo E. Bregaglio, Director FM TRINIDAD 90.1, AMARC-ALC
Carlos Rivadeneyra, CEPES, AMARC-ALC
Victor van Oyen, TINKU - Comunicaci?n y Desarrollo
Aleida Calleja, Comunicacion Comunitaria, M?xico
Taran Rampersad, Linux Gazette  (Editor), Consultant/Writer/Programmer.
Holanda Castro, Universidad Central de Venezuela-CEM/FI


From robin at ipjustice.org  Wed Sep 22 16:07:23 2004
From: robin at ipjustice.org (Robin Gross)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] collecting signatures on Declaration on the Future of WIPO
Message-ID: <4151952B.4090307@ipjustice.org>

Hello,

Please consider signing on to a "Declaration on the Future of WIPO" that 
many of us have been working on in effort to reform WIPO led by CPTech 
and Jamie Love.

Info and links with the Declaration are below.

Thanks,
Robin
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From wdrake at ictsd.ch  Wed Sep 22 17:43:08 2004
From: wdrake at ictsd.ch (William Drake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Declaration on the Future of WIPO
Message-ID: <MABBIHAAPBEEGMLBDEGOMEOCDLAA.wdrake@ictsd.ch>

-----Original Message-----
From: ecommerce-admin@lists.essential.org
[mailto:ecommerce-admin@lists.essential.org]On Behalf Of Manon Ress
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 8:19 PM
To: Ecommerce@lists.essential.org; Lawfuluse Public Knowledge;
ip-health@lists.essential.org; Broadcast Discuss; Union for the Public
Domain
Subject: [Ecommerce] Declaration on the Future of WIPO


Dear colleagues,

Sorry for crossposting this. Feel free to send link to other lists.

The World Intellectual Property Organization is debating a new agenda
proposed by Brazil and Argentina.  There was a big debate on the
proposal at a TACD meeting in Geneva, Sept 13-14, 2004.  The Declaration
available at the following link:
http://www.cptech.org/ip/wipo/genevadeclaration.html  comes from
discussions at this meeting.

The Declaration speaks for itself.  People should read it and send name
(and affiliation if any) to:

 mailto:geneva_declaration@cptech.org

We are collecting signatures but probably will not post names of people
who sign until tomorrow.  For questions, contact Thiru
<thiru@cptech.org> or Manon <manon.ress@cptech.org>

--
Manon Anne Ress
Consumer Project on Technology
www.cptech.org
PO Box 19367, Washington, DC 20036
manon.ress@cptech.org, voice: 1.202.387.8030, fax: 1.202.234.5176




From beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar  Wed Sep 22 18:15:03 2004
From: beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar (Beatriz Busaniche)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] fyi: caucus lac focal point/punto focal
In-Reply-To: <9A50C20E-0CA0-11D9-BBEE-000A95B172C6@greatvideo.com>
References: <9A50C20E-0CA0-11D9-BBEE-000A95B172C6@greatvideo.com>
Message-ID: <1095873302.1956.134.camel@linux.local>

espa?ol abajo / spanish below

.........
This is just personal, i am not asking this on behalf any caucus or
working group: 

Just a few single questions to the signators of this letter:

- which are your plans for a democratic civil society participation in
WSIS.
- where are you working to build consensus?
- where is your mailing list?
- open access to knowledge: where are your archives and how Olinca
expects to go on being the "focal point" if she works just in a  group
exclusive for "invited friends". 

Freedom / transparency / democracy / open access to information / Open
access to what this people working "on behalf" of our region is
negotiation within closed doors.

There's a lot of people from Latin America that was not invited to join
this group. No open access at all. No transparency.

shame, is the only thing that remains. 

Let me remember, latin american caucus with open archives and open
mailing list is still working here
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/public/lac/2004-September/date.html
...

Esto es s?lo personal, no estoy haciendo estas preguntas en nombre de
ning?n caucus ni grupo de trabajo: 

S?lo unas simples preguntas a los firmantes de la carta:

- cu?les son sus planes para construir una participaci?n democr?tica de
la sociedad civil en la CMSI?
- Donde construye consenso su grupo de trabajo?
- D?nde est?n sus listas de correos?
- Acceso abierto al conocimiento: donde est?n sus archivos y c?mo espera
Olinca seguir siendo el punto focal si s?lo trabaja para un grupo
exclusivo de amigos invitados. 

Libertad! / Transparencia / democracia / acceso abierto a la informaci?n
/ acceso abierto a lo que esta gente, "en nombre" de nuestra regi?n,
est? negociando a puertas cerradas.

Hay mucha gente de America latina que no fue "invitada" a formar ese
grupo. No hay acceso abierto. No hay transparencia. 

verg?enza, es lo ?nico que hay. 

perm?tanme recordar que el caucus de america latina con sus archivos
abiertos y su lista abierta, sigue trabajando aqu?
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/public/lac/2004-September/date.html

............








El mi?, 22-09-2004 a las 11:06, magaly pazello escribi?:
> (english below)
> ______________________
> 
> Estimadas/os amigas/os,
> 
> Las organizaciones abajo firmantes, activas en el proceso de la CMSI e 
> integrantes del Caucus LAC, coherentes con nuestro compromiso de 
> impulsar el debate, la participaci?n y la pluralidad de voces desde 
> Am?rica Latina y Caribe, queremos aclarar que Olinca Marino no ha 
> renunciado a su rol de Punto Focal para el proceso de la CMSI y que 
> seguimos reconoci?ndola como tal.
> 
> Estamos en un proceso intenso de reorganizaci?n y como bien se ha 
> recordado en este espacio, con base en un trabajo transparente, 
> nuestras organizaciones han aportado consistentemente, durante la 
> primera fase de la CMSI, en todos los espacios de la sociedad civil 
> tanto en la lista correspondiente como en reuniones en Ginebra, as? 
> como en Tunis.
> 
> Un cordial abrazo,
> 
> Dafne Plou, Programa Regional Apoyo a Redes de Mujeres, LAC, APC
> Gustavo G?mez, Asociaci?n Mundial de Radios Comunitarias, AMARC-ALC
> Pablo Accuosto, Instituto del Tercer Mundo, ITEM
> Erick Iriarte, Alfa-Redi
> Daniel Pimienta, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
> Luis Germ?n Rodr?guez, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
> Valeria Betancourt, Proyecto Monitor de Pol?ticas de TIC en LAC, APC.
> Eduardo Santoyo, Red Cient?fica Peruana, RCP
> Paulo Lima, Red de Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector, RITS
> Carlos Afonso, Red de Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector, RITS
> Holanda Castro. Centro de Estudios de la Mujer de la Universidad 
> Central de Venezuela
> Magaly Pazello, Alternativas de Desarrollo con las Mujeres por una 
> Nueva Era-DAWN
> Katitza Rodriguez, Peruvian chapter of Computer Professionals for 
> Social Responsability, CPSR-Per?
> Raul Echeberria - LACNIC
> Angelica Abdallah, Asociaci?n Argentina de Teletrabajo
> Arturo E. Bregaglio, Director FM TRINIDAD 90.1, AMARC-ALC
> Carlos Rivadeneyra, CEPES, AMARC-ALC
> Victor van Oyen, TINKU - Comunicaci?n y Desarrollo
> Aleida Calleja, Comunicacion Comunitaria, M?xico
> Taran Rampersad, Linux Gazette  (Editor), Consultant/Writer/Programmer.
> Holanda Castro, Universidad Central de Venezuela-CEM/FI
> 
> _________________
> 
> Dear friends,
> 
> The signatories of this letter, active in the WSIS process and part of 
> the Caucus LAC, coherent with our commitment to promote the debate, 
> participation and the plurality of voices from Latin America and 
> Caribbean, we want to make clear that Olinca Marino did not in fact 
> resign to its role of Focal Point for the WSIS process that we 
> continued recognizing it like so.
> 
> We are in an intensive process of reorganization and, as one has 
> remembered in this space, we are doing it in base of a transparent 
> work, our organizations have contributed consistently, during the WSIS 
> first phase, in all civil society spaces as much in the correspondent 
> electronic list as in meetings in Geneva and also in Tunis.
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Dafne Plou, Programa Regional Apoyo a Redes de Mujeres, LAC, APC
> Gustavo G?mez, Asociaci?n Mundial de Radios Comunitarias, AMARC-ALC
> Pablo Accuosto, Instituto del Tercer Mundo, ITEM
> Erick Iriarte, Alfa-Redi
> Daniel Pimienta, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
> Luis Germ?n Rodr?guez, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
> Valeria Betancourt, Proyecto Monitor de Pol?ticas de TIC en LAC, APC.
> Eduardo Santoyo, Red Cient?fica Peruana, RCP
> Paulo Lima, Red de Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector, RITS
> Carlos Afonso, Red de Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector, RITS
> Holanda Castro. Centro de Estudios de la Mujer de la Universidad 
> Central de Venezuela
> Magaly Pazello, Development Alternatives with Women for a New Era-DAWN
> Katitza Rodriguez, Peruvian chapter of Computer Professionals for 
> Social Responsability, CPSR-Per?
> Raul Echeberria - LACNIC
> Angelica Abdallah, Asociaci?n Argentina de Teletrabajo
> Arturo E. Bregaglio, Director FM TRINIDAD 90.1, AMARC-ALC
> Carlos Rivadeneyra, CEPES, AMARC-ALC
> Victor van Oyen, TINKU - Comunicaci?n y Desarrollo
> Aleida Calleja, Comunicacion Comunitaria, M?xico
> Taran Rampersad, Linux Gazette  (Editor), Consultant/Writer/Programmer.
> Holanda Castro, Universidad Central de Venezuela-CEM/FI
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary



From martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar  Wed Sep 22 14:05:33 2004
From: martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar (Martin Olivera)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] fyi: caucus lac focal point/punto focal
In-Reply-To: <9A50C20E-0CA0-11D9-BBEE-000A95B172C6@greatvideo.com>
References: <9A50C20E-0CA0-11D9-BBEE-000A95B172C6@greatvideo.com>
Message-ID: <1095858333.2857.122.camel@localhost>

El mi?, 22-09-2004 a las 16:06, magaly pazello escribi?:
> (english below)
> ______________________
> 
> Estimadas/os amigas/os,
> 
> Las organizaciones abajo firmantes, activas en el proceso de la CMSI e 
> integrantes del Caucus LAC, coherentes con nuestro compromiso de 
> impulsar el debate, la participaci?n y la pluralidad de voces desde 
> Am?rica Latina y Caribe, queremos aclarar que Olinca Marino no ha 
> renunciado a su rol de Punto Focal para el proceso de la CMSI y que 
> seguimos reconoci?ndola como tal.
y como se comunican?
por que no participan en la lista publica del caucus lac?
por que Olinca Marino no contesta las preguntas ni modera los debates en
la lista lac?
por que muchas de las personas que aqui firman se han ido de la lista
del caucus?

> 
> Estamos en un proceso intenso de reorganizaci?n y como bien se ha 
> recordado en este espacio, con base en un trabajo transparente, 

No hay duda que el caucus LAC esta viviendo un proceso de
reorganizaci?n, se esta eligiendo un nuevo punto focal en la lista
oficial, en forma abierta y transparente, donde todos estan invitados a
participar. Los que no partcipan es porque decidieron irse, y cuando
quieran pueden volver.

Donde puede verse el trabajo transparente de los que firman esta nota?
donde estan los archivos? donde los mails? como puedo participar en su
trabajo "transparente"? es muy facil hacer declamaciones de
transparencia pero es mas dificl demostrarlas con los hechos. Seria
bueno que los firmantes aclaren estos puntos.

La reorganizaci?n que se esta viviendo es debido a que un grupo de
miebros del caucus ha decidido dejar la lista del caucus, armar un
espacio cerrado paralelo, y arrogarse la representatividad del Caucus
LAC. Este pseudo-caucus que proponen sin transparencia, sin consenso,
solo por invitacion, para los amigos, deja automaticamente de ser un
caucus. El Caucus LAC se esta reorganizando, es cierto, pero no lo estan
haciendo los firmantes del mensaje de Magaly desafortunadamente. Creo
que todos ellos son muy importantes para construir consenso en el Caucus
LAC, y los conmino a volver a la lista del caucus LAC.
En el propio caucus por sus medios naturales (la lista lac@wsis-cs.org
fue, es y sigue siendo publica y abierta), y viendo que Olinca Marino ha
incumplido su tarea como punto focal del caucus, enviando mensajes en
representacion del caucus sin el debido consenso, se esta eligiendo un
nuevo punto focal.

> nuestras organizaciones han aportado consistentemente, durante la 
> primera fase de la CMSI, en todos los espacios de la sociedad civil 
> tanto en la lista correspondiente como en reuniones en Ginebra, as? 
> como en Tunis.
> 
> Un cordial abrazo,
> 
> Dafne Plou, Programa Regional Apoyo a Redes de Mujeres, LAC, APC
> Gustavo G?mez, Asociaci?n Mundial de Radios Comunitarias, AMARC-ALC
> Pablo Accuosto, Instituto del Tercer Mundo, ITEM
> Erick Iriarte, Alfa-Redi
> Daniel Pimienta, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
> Luis Germ?n Rodr?guez, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
> Valeria Betancourt, Proyecto Monitor de Pol?ticas de TIC en LAC, APC.
> Eduardo Santoyo, Red Cient?fica Peruana, RCP
> Paulo Lima, Red de Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector, RITS
> Carlos Afonso, Red de Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector, RITS
> Holanda Castro. Centro de Estudios de la Mujer de la Universidad 
> Central de Venezuela
> Magaly Pazello, Alternativas de Desarrollo con las Mujeres por una 
> Nueva Era-DAWN
> Katitza Rodriguez, Peruvian chapter of Computer Professionals for 
> Social Responsability, CPSR-Per?
> Raul Echeberria - LACNIC
> Angelica Abdallah, Asociaci?n Argentina de Teletrabajo
> Arturo E. Bregaglio, Director FM TRINIDAD 90.1, AMARC-ALC
> Carlos Rivadeneyra, CEPES, AMARC-ALC
> Victor van Oyen, TINKU - Comunicaci?n y Desarrollo
> Aleida Calleja, Comunicacion Comunitaria, M?xico
> Taran Rampersad, Linux Gazette  (Editor), Consultant/Writer/Programmer.
> Holanda Castro, Universidad Central de Venezuela-CEM/FI
> 
> _________________
> 
> Dear friends,
> 
> The signatories of this letter, active in the WSIS process and part of 
> the Caucus LAC, coherent with our commitment to promote the debate, 
> participation and the plurality of voices from Latin America and 
> Caribbean, we want to make clear that Olinca Marino did not in fact 
> resign to its role of Focal Point for the WSIS process that we 
> continued recognizing it like so.
> 

There is no doubt that LAC caucus is living a reorganization process, a
new focal point is being elected in the oficial list, in an open and
transparent way, where all of you are invited to participate. Those who
do not participate because decided auto-exclusion could come back
whenever they want.

Where may be found the transparent work of the signatories of this
letter? where are their e-mails? how may I participate in their
"transparent" work? It is very easy to declare transparency but is more
difficult to show it with facts. It should be good that the signatories
clarify this points.

The reorganization in process is due to some members decided to go out
from the caucus list, create a parallel closed space and define
themselves as LAC caucus represetatives. That pseudo-caucus they
propose, withou transparency, without consensus, only trhough
invitation, for the friends, is not a caucus anymore.
LAC caucus is reorganazing itself, it is true, but that is not done by
the signatories of Magaly's message unfortunately. I find all of them
very important to build LAC Caucus consensus, and urge them to come back
to the LAC caucus list.

A new focal point is being elected in the Caucus through the natural way
(mailing list lac@wsis-cs.org was, is and will continue public and
open), due to Olinca Marino has lost the trust of some member who
elected her because of sending messages in representation of the caucus
without the needed consensus. 

> We are in an intensive process of reorganization and, as one has 
> remembered in this space, we are doing it in base of a transparent 
> work, our organizations have contributed consistently, during the WSIS 
> first phase, in all civil society spaces as much in the correspondent 
> electronic list as in meetings in Geneva and also in Tunis.
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Dafne Plou, Programa Regional Apoyo a Redes de Mujeres, LAC, APC
> Gustavo G?mez, Asociaci?n Mundial de Radios Comunitarias, AMARC-ALC
> Pablo Accuosto, Instituto del Tercer Mundo, ITEM
> Erick Iriarte, Alfa-Redi
> Daniel Pimienta, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
> Luis Germ?n Rodr?guez, Fundaci?n Redes y Desarrollo, Funredes
> Valeria Betancourt, Proyecto Monitor de Pol?ticas de TIC en LAC, APC.
> Eduardo Santoyo, Red Cient?fica Peruana, RCP
> Paulo Lima, Red de Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector, RITS
> Carlos Afonso, Red de Informaci?n para el Tercer Sector, RITS
> Holanda Castro. Centro de Estudios de la Mujer de la Universidad 
> Central de Venezuela
> Magaly Pazello, Development Alternatives with Women for a New Era-DAWN
> Katitza Rodriguez, Peruvian chapter of Computer Professionals for 
> Social Responsability, CPSR-Per?
> Raul Echeberria - LACNIC
> Angelica Abdallah, Asociaci?n Argentina de Teletrabajo
> Arturo E. Bregaglio, Director FM TRINIDAD 90.1, AMARC-ALC
> Carlos Rivadeneyra, CEPES, AMARC-ALC
> Victor van Oyen, TINKU - Comunicaci?n y Desarrollo
> Aleida Calleja, Comunicacion Comunitaria, M?xico
> Taran Rampersad, Linux Gazette  (Editor), Consultant/Writer/Programmer.
> Holanda Castro, Universidad Central de Venezuela-CEM/FI
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
-- 
Mart?n Olivera
----------------------------
Asoci?te a SOLAR!
Software Libre Argentina
http://www.solar.org.ar/breve.php3?id_breve=78


From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Wed Sep 22 20:57:47 2004
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Governance updates & The Caribbean
In-Reply-To: <1095858333.2857.122.camel@localhost>
References: <9A50C20E-0CA0-11D9-BBEE-000A95B172C6@greatvideo.com>
 <1095858333.2857.122.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <p06200a23bd77866e2f32@[192.168.1.251]>

I'd like to thank those who are attending this week's governance 
meetings in Geneva. Thanks for the updates. It is nice to see that 
despite issues that exist in CS, ways can found to move productively 
forward in the WSIS process.

In regards to the numerous messages from our colleagues in Latin 
America that have recently appeared - I will only  say that i hope 
that positive and constructive solutions can be found.

While on the topic , let us all extend our thoughts, wishes and 
prayers for our colleagues in the Caribbean. Let's not forget that 
four very powerful Hurricanes have affected that part of the LAC 
region in the last month causing great devastation, loss of life and 
hardship for those in the storm's path.


regards,

Robert


-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From mueller at syr.edu  Wed Sep 22 22:16:38 2004
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Quick notes from Geneva
Message-ID: <s151b383.056@gwia201.syr.edu>


>>> karenb@gn.apc.org 09/22/04 05:51AM >>>
>If the WGIG does indeed take on a broader working definition of
internet 
>governance, it would be very interesting and important for civil
society 
>groups to articulate which existing governance mechanisms are 'not
working 
>effectively' and why. 

The approach we (the Internet Gov. Project") took to that was to
highlight "regime conflicts" mostly involving linkages or conflicts
(diplomats
prefer the term "linkages") between IPR, free speech and privacy,
and between security/surveillance and privacy. 

>on the comment from the former ambassador from Jamaica re no 
>comment on inter-connection prices, i thought olivier (africa caucus)

>did raise this?, and it is certainly in the APC paper and a great 
>concern to our members - he was very right in raising it..

You are referring to the comments of Tony Hill of the South Center.
Our matrix noted this issue, including ITU recommendation D.50.
However,
two important observations can be made about it. First, Recommendation

D.50 is vague and meaningless, because as a consensus body ITU could
not say much and get general agreement, and also because ITU really
has no leverage over ISP interconnection arrangements. Second, 
the issue of interconnection costs has declined greatly in
significance
as bandwidth costs have declined. I have a doctoral student writing 
her thesis about this (she is Thai) and she finds that in Asia at least
the 
impetus for reforming ISP interconnection arrangements deteriorated as

bandwidth costs fell rapidly and more intra-regional interconnection
took
place. In this case, competition and declining costs accomplished more
than
any big change in governance arrangements could have - although there 
is still a long ways to go in other regions, notably Africa.

--MM

From mueller at syr.edu  Wed Sep 22 22:25:41 2004
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [governance] geneva
Message-ID: <s151b5a5.076@gwia201.syr.edu>

Wolfgang's comments here are (as usual) very perceptive and 
I am glad he called attention to the Chinese statement (which 
I, in haste, left out of my article)

I would simply like to point out that he may give it too optimistic a 
spin. While we (CS) were accepted as commentors and contributors 
to the session, there was in fact almost no support for the IGC 
proposal for an equal division of CS, private sector and govts. It was 
not only the traditionalist, developing country governments like China
that rebuffed us here, but especially the European Union and
Japan. The USA did not touch the issue, and neither did ICANN. 
Both ISOC and ICANN failed to explicitly endorse the IGC process
proposal. I think that was definitely a mistake on the part of ISOC,
however, I can understand why a beleagured ICANN would not 
want to risk antagonizing governments even further. 

But, since Wolfgang was around in the darker days of the early
WSIS Prepcoms and I was not perhaps he sees what was accomplished as
significant progress.

--MM

>>> Wolfgang Kleinw?chter <wolfgang@imv.au.dk> 09/22/04 07:13AM >>>
1. we made a great step forward with the multistakeholder approach.  
While the participation of non governmental groups in the governmental 
Internet Governance Working Group from PrepCom2 to PrepCom3bis++ was 
blocked and we were moving through the revolving door, in the WGIG 
meeting in Geneva it was taken for granted that governmental and 
non-governmental speakers are communicating on the same level. When 



From jsarr at refer.sn  Thu Sep 23 00:16:08 2004
From: jsarr at refer.sn (Joseph Sarr)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Consultations de =?iso-8859-1?b?R2Vu6HZl?= (en =?iso-8859-1?b?ZnJhbudhaXMp?=
In-Reply-To: <s151b5a5.076@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s151b5a5.076@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <1095894968.415207b8b9e01@www.refer.sn>

Bonjour Chers Coll?gues

Je viens de faire pr?s de 10 000 km pour participer aux consultations sur la
gouvernance de l?Internet. Je viens juste de rentrer chez moi ? Dakar et je vous
ferai parvenir, d?s demain, ma vision et les positions que j?ai d?fendues, en
fran?ais, au cours de cette r?union ouverte dont l?organisation a ?t? parfaite.
Nous f?licitons chaleureusement M. Markus KUMMER et toute son ?quipe pour cette
performance et nous remercions M. DESAI, Conseiller Sp?cial du Secr?taire
G?n?ral des Nations Unies pour le Sommet Mondial sur la Soci?t? de l?Information
qui a magistralement dirig? ces consultations et en a fait une synth?se tr?s
?quilibr?e. Naturellement mes contributions ayant ?t? faits en fran?ais, vous
aurez remarqu? qu?elles ne figurent pas sur les rapports que vous avez d?j? lus
sur cette liste.
Salutations cordiales.

Joseph SARR
Pr?sident de la Commission NTIC
Conseil R?gional de Dakar 




From jsarr at refer.sn  Thu Sep 23 00:53:33 2004
From: jsarr at refer.sn (Joseph Sarr)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Nominations pour la participation au GTGI
In-Reply-To: <20040921095735.47983.qmail@web60710.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040921095735.47983.qmail@web60710.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1095897213.4152107da171d@www.refer.sn>

Bonjour Djilali

Je vous prie de m'excuser de r?pondre avec beaucoup de retard. Je participais
aux consultations sur la gouvernance de l'Internet et malheureusement je n'avais
pas sur place toutes les facilit?s de connexion habituelles. Pour l'animation du
groupe de discussion sur les m?canismes de financement je vous propose dores et
d?j? :  
- M. Malick NDIAYE, Conseiller NTIC ? la Primature du S?n?gal
(malick@primature.sn) 
- Mme Marie NDAW, Conseill?re R?gionale ? Dakar (marindaw@refer.sn)
- Cheikh Abdoulaye BA, Conseiller R?gional ? Dakar (chabgni309@yahoo.fr)

Je participerai bien s?r ? vos discussions.
Salutations amicales.

Joseph SARR

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Selon djilali benamrane <dbenamrane@yahoo.com>:

> Joseph,
> Pouvez vous exploiter la possibilit? de d?signer une
> ou plusieurs personnes susceptibles d'appuyer
> l'animation du groupe de discussion sur les m?canismes
> de financement en perspective avec la pr?paration du
> sommet mondial sur la soci?t? de l'information qui
> aura lieu fin 2005.
> ci-joint le site pour les inscriptions
> wsis-finance@yahoogroupes.fr 
> Amiti?s
> Djilali
> Page web sur l'Afrique et la globalisation :
> http://www.multimania.com/djilalibenamrane/
> Groupe de discussion: http://www.egroups.com/list/afriqueglobalization
> 
> 
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From Mueller at syr.edu  Thu Sep 23 15:43:09 2004
From: Mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] fyi: caucus lac focal point/punto focal
Message-ID: <s152a8d8.045@gwia201.syr.edu>


>>> beatriz@maxmedia.com.ar 9/22/2004 1:15:03 PM >>>
espa?ol abajo / spanish below

> open access to knowledge: where are your archives and how Olinca
>xpects to go on being the "focal point" if she works just in a  group
>xclusive for "invited friends". 

It is a well known problem in open lists that they can be 
joined by the destructive as well as the constructive, those
with a fixed agenda as well as those willing to engage,
those attempting to dominate as well as those attempting
to communicate and exchange.

When people abuse openness, their victims resort to 
barriers. Not the best solution, but sometimes the only one
available. My advice is for you to work this out with them,
most of us on this list can not know what to do about it.

--MM




From beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar  Thu Sep 23 16:19:21 2004
From: beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar (Beatriz Busaniche)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] fyi: caucus lac focal point/punto focal
In-Reply-To: <s152a8d8.044@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s152a8d8.044@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <1095952760.2204.83.camel@linux.local>

spanish and english

El jue, 23-09-2004 a las 11:43, Milton Mueller escribi?:

> It is a well known problem in open lists that they can be 
> joined by the destructive as well as the constructive, those
> with a fixed agenda as well as those willing to engage,
> those attempting to dominate as well as those attempting
> to communicate and exchange.

hi milton, that could be right, but how do you catalogue people and
organizations between "destructive" and "constructive".  

policital disense is "destructive"? or constructive?  

how do you know that there's a group with a "fixed agenda".. let me ask:
who doesn't have a fixed agenda?  I have no doubt's that the group that
left the caucus has a fixed agenda, that is very clear, and that's not
wrong, they are working for this agenda.  

the question is: for which "agenda" do we work. 


Hola milton, eso puede ser correcto, pero c?mo catalogas a la gente y
las organizaciones entre "destructivas" y constructivas".

El disenso pol?tico es "destructivo"? o "constructivo"?

C?mo sabes que hay un grupo con una "agenda arreglada"... d?jame
preguntar: ? Qui?n no tiene una agenda arreglada ?   El grupo que se ha
ido del caucus seguro tiene una agenda arreglada, eso es claro, y no
est? mal, est?n trabajando para esa agenda.

pregunta es:  para cu?l "agenda" trabajamos. 

> When people abuse openness, their victims


there are no "victims", you could be sure of that.
The only victim here is "transparency". 

No hay v?ctimas,  puedes estar seguro de eso.
La ?nica v?ctima aqu? es la "transparencia". 

>  resort to 
> barriers. Not the best solution, but sometimes the only one
> available. My advice is for you to work this out with them,

there's people trying that, but seems to be difficult. 

hay gente intentandolo, pero parece ser dificil. 


> most of us on this list can not know what to do about it.

yes, for sure, but i brough this here because i want to prevent
misunderstandings around what is happening.

there's a group, a closed group, asking recognition as  voice of the LAC
caucus,  as much as they go on being a close private "exclusive" group,
they cannot be speak on behalf of latin american caucus. 

latin american caucus is working as always, in the public mailing list
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/public/lac/2004-September/date.html

i do respect the right of the people to work where they feel confortable
and with the people that makes them feel confortable.  so, i am not
against the existence of other /others groups in our regions. That, for
sure is healthy for all.

but, a closed group cannot be accepted as the "civil society voice" of
our region, and a focal point working behind "closed doors" cannot be
recogniced as focal point anymore.

just that
i am sorry, I understand that all the people in this mailing list maybe
don't understand what happens.

i just answered mails to prevent confusion. 

I am sure that there's a lot of misunderstandings around this issue, so
i am keeping my right to give you all my view of the facts. 

If plenary considers that this issue must be solve within LAC, could
someone please ask the people that left our public mailing list to come
back and give an open discusion there.

We.. - "the not invited" latin american citizens, cannot go to their
list, because is obvios.. it's closed!

.....


Si, por cierto, pero traje este tema a plenaria porque quiero prevenir
malos entendidos sobre lo que ocurre. 

hay un grupo, un grupo cerrado, pidiendo reconocimiento como voz del
caucus de america latina. En tanto sigan siendo un grupo privado,
exclusivo, no pueden ser la voz del caucus de america latina. 

El caucus de america latina sigue trabajando como siempre en la lista
p?blica 
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/public/lac/2004-September/date.html

respeto el derecho de la gente de trabajar donde se sienten confortables
y con la gente que los hace sentir confortables,  No estoy en contra de
la existencia de otro / otros grupos en nuestras regiones.  Eso por
cierto me parece saludable. 

Pero, un grupo cerrado no puede ser aceptado como "la voz de la sociedad civil" de nuestra regi?n,
Un punto focal que trabaja detr?s de puertas cerradas no puede ser reconocido como tal. 

S?lo eso. 
Lo lamento mucho, Comprendo que no toda la gente en esta lista entienda
lo que pasa. 

S?lo respond? mensajes para prevenir confusi?n. 
Estoy segura  de que hay muchos malos entendidos alrededor de esto, as?
que estoy conservando mi derecho a dar mi visi?n de los hechos.


Si plenaria considera que este asunto debe ser resuelto al interior,
podr?an por favor pedirle a la gente que dej? nuestra lista p?blica que
vuelva y de una discusi?n abierta all?.

Nosotros - los ciudadanos latinoamericanos  "no invitados", no podemos
ir a su lista por obvias razones,  es cerrada.

thank you for your interest Milton
Gracias por tu inter?s Milton

Abrazos
Beatriz






> --MM
> 
> 
> 
> 



From jsarr at refer.sn  Thu Sep 23 20:16:07 2004
From: jsarr at refer.sn (Joseph Sarr)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Consultations de =?iso-8859-1?b?R2Vu6HZl?= (en =?iso-8859-1?b?ZnJhbudhaXMp?= : Partie I
Message-ID: <1095966967.415320f705346@www.refer.sn>

Chers Coll?gues

Je vous transmets, en fichier attach? et en premi?re partie (Partie I), les
quelques notes que j?ai pu prendre au cours des consultations sur
l??tablissement du groupe de travail sur la gouvernance de l?Internet (GTGI) ,
qui se sont d?roul?es les 20 et 21 septembre 2004 dans la salle XVIII du Palais
des Nations , ? Gen?ve, sous la Pr?sidence de M. Nitin DESAI, Conseiller Sp?cial
du Secr?taire G?n?ral des Nations-Unies pour le Sommet Mondial sur la Soci?t? de
l?Information.
Je signale que je garde un excellent souvenir de ces consultations de Gen?ve qui
m?ont permis de rencontrer physiquement des coll?gues "virtuels" que j?ai
trouv?s tr?s sympathiques mais avec qui des ?changes n?ont pas pu avoir lieu, du
fait de la barri?re linguistique. Je pense notamment ? Messieurs IZUMI et Adam
PEAKE, membres du caucus de la gouvernance de l?Internet.
Je vous souhaite ? tous une excellente r?ception et vous transmets mes
salutations les plus cordiales.

M. Joseph SARR
Famille des Autorit?s Locales
Pr?sident de la Commission NTIC
du Conseil R?gional de Dakar



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From jsarr at refer.sn  Thu Sep 23 20:18:41 2004
From: jsarr at refer.sn (Joseph Sarr)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Consultations de =?iso-8859-1?b?R2Vu6HZl?= (en =?iso-8859-1?b?ZnJhbudhaXMp?= : Partie II
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Chers Coll?gues
Je vous transmets, en fichier attach? et en deuxi?me partie (Partie II), le
texte int?gral de l?intervention que j?ai effectu?e au cours des consultations
sur l??tablissement du GTGI et des causes que j?ai d?fendues en mati?re de
diversit? linguistique et d?utilit? de la pr?sence de la famille des autorit?s
locales au sein du GTGI.  Auparavant une contribution en fran?ais avait d?j? ?t?
envoy?e au secr?tariat de la gouvernance de l?Internet, qu?il est possible de
consulter ? l?adresse suivante :
www.itu.int/wsis/preparatory2/wgig/conseil-regional-dakar-fr.doc
Je vous souhaite une excellente r?ception et vous transmets mes salutations les
plus cordiales.

M. Joseph SARR
Famille des Autorit?s Locales
Pr?sident de la Commission NTIC
du Conseil R?gional de Dakar



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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Thu Sep 23 20:52:31 2004
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[WSIS_CS-Plenary]_Consultations_de_Gen=E8ve_(en_fran?=
 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E7ais)_:_Partie_II?=
In-Reply-To: <1095967121.41532191bc51f@www.refer.sn>
References: <1095967121.41532191bc51f@www.refer.sn>
Message-ID: <8s86l0hr74vein2nekoc7pe501bebo9n30@4ax.com>

EOn Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:18:41 +0000, Joseph Sarr <jsarr@refer.sn> wrote:

>Chers Coll?gues
>Je vous transmets, en fichier attach? et en deuxi?me partie (Partie II), le
>texte int?gral de l?intervention que j?ai effectu?e au cours des consultations

I think that the first part of your intervention, focused on
multilingualism, is particularly important, so I tried to translate it for
those who cannot read French.

-----
The situation of non-English-speaking people is hard. That of
French-speaking (not French) is worse than that of French people. In
international conferences, it is almost a dishonour when you are not
English-speaking. 

In French-speaking Africa, in general, French is the second or third
language. For example, for what regards myself, I have as mother tongue
Serere; I have later learned Wolof to be able to communicate with the rest
of Senegal, and finally French as international language.

During an international meeting, when you make a contribution or an
intervention in French, the participants believe it is a provocation. There
are tens of millions of people throughout the world, mainly in Africa, that
don't have anything but French as international language to communicate and
share with other peoples.

In Senegal, we have a long tradition of defense of the French language:
L?opold Sedar Senghor, Abdou Diouf, etc. It is not to please you, Mister
Chairman. It is a vital question.

On the other hand, we are very sensitive to the efforts made by the
Secretariat of Internet Governance and to its commitments to ensure a full
participation by non-English speaking people, and particularly by
French-speaking people, to the working group. We take note of this.

We sincerely thank the Secretariat for having deployed an effective system
of interpretation that allows us to follow with much interest the present
meeting.

I take advantage of this tribune to appeal to this honourable assembly so
that it favours inclusive advances regarding multilingualism in the
development of Internet governance. Let me forget that, when you do not know
English, you are often considered like an analphabetic or a weird person.
-- 
vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<------
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Vecchio sito, nuovo tobl?g...

From ca at rits.org.br  Thu Sep 23 21:25:21 2004
From: ca at rits.org.br (Carlos Afonso)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Consultations de 
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gen=E8ve?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?_(en_fran_=E7ais)_:_Partie_II?=
In-Reply-To: <8s86l0hr74vein2nekoc7pe501bebo9n30@4ax.com>
References: <1095967121.41532191bc51f@www.refer.sn>
 <8s86l0hr74vein2nekoc7pe501bebo9n30@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040923172314.0346b1e0@pop.rits.org.br>

Tr?s bien, M. Sarr! Thanks Vittorio for helping to propagate this important 
view.

Abra?os fraternos

--c.a.

Carlos A. Afonso
Rede de Informa??es para o Terceiro Setor - Rits
http://www.rits.org.br

At 16:52 23/09/2004, Vittorio Bertola wrote:

>EOn Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:18:41 +0000, Joseph Sarr <jsarr@refer.sn> wrote:
>
> >Chers Coll?gues
> >Je vous transmets, en fichier attach? et en deuxi?me partie (Partie II), le
> >texte int?gral de l?intervention que j?ai effectu?e au cours des 
> consultations
>
>I think that the first part of your intervention, focused on
>multilingualism, is particularly important, so I tried to translate it for
>those who cannot read French.
>
>-----
>The situation of non-English-speaking people is hard. That of
>French-speaking (not French) is worse than that of French people. In
>international conferences, it is almost a dishonour when you are not
>English-speaking.
>
>In French-speaking Africa, in general, French is the second or third
>language. For example, for what regards myself, I have as mother tongue
>Serere; I have later learned Wolof to be able to communicate with the rest
>of Senegal, and finally French as international language.
>
>During an international meeting, when you make a contribution or an
>intervention in French, the participants believe it is a provocation. There
>are tens of millions of people throughout the world, mainly in Africa, that
>don't have anything but French as international language to communicate and
>share with other peoples.
>
>In Senegal, we have a long tradition of defense of the French language:
>L?opold Sedar Senghor, Abdou Diouf, etc. It is not to please you, Mister
>Chairman. It is a vital question.
>
>On the other hand, we are very sensitive to the efforts made by the
>Secretariat of Internet Governance and to its commitments to ensure a full
>participation by non-English speaking people, and particularly by
>French-speaking people, to the working group. We take note of this.
>
>We sincerely thank the Secretariat for having deployed an effective system
>of interpretation that allows us to follow with much interest the present
>meeting.
>
>I take advantage of this tribune to appeal to this honourable assembly so
>that it favours inclusive advances regarding multilingualism in the
>development of Internet governance. Let me forget that, when you do not know
>English, you are often considered like an analphabetic or a weird person.
>--
>vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<------
>http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Vecchio sito, nuovo tobl?g...
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From jsarr at refer.sn  Fri Sep 24 11:30:39 2004
From: jsarr at refer.sn (Joseph Sarr)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [governance] Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Consultations de =?iso-8859-1?b?R2Vu6HZl?= (en =?iso-8859-1?b?ZnJhbudhaXMp?= : Partie II
In-Reply-To: <8s86l0hr74vein2nekoc7pe501bebo9n30@4ax.com>
References: <1095967121.41532191bc51f@www.refer.sn> <8s86l0hr74vein2nekoc7pe501bebo9n30@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <1096021839.4153f74fa3e55@www.refer.sn>

Merci Vittorio

Votre traduction permettra au plus grand nombre d'?tre sensibilis? au probl?me
du multilinguisme. Le travail que vous avez effectu? d?montre la n?cessit?
d'avoir des membres polyglottes du Groupe de Travail sur la gouvernance de
l'Internet.
Je vous souhaite une excellente journ?e.

Joseph
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Selon Vittorio Bertola <vb@bertola.eu.org>:

> EOn Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:18:41 +0000, Joseph Sarr <jsarr@refer.sn> wrote:
> 
> >Chers Coll?gues
> >Je vous transmets, en fichier attach? et en deuxi?me partie (Partie II),
> le
> >texte int?gral de l?intervention que j?ai effectu?e au cours des
> consultations
> 
> I think that the first part of your intervention, focused on
> multilingualism, is particularly important, so I tried to translate it for
> those who cannot read French.
> 
> -----
> The situation of non-English-speaking people is hard. That of
> French-speaking (not French) is worse than that of French people. In
> international conferences, it is almost a dishonour when you are not
> English-speaking. 
> 
> In French-speaking Africa, in general, French is the second or third
> language. For example, for what regards myself, I have as mother tongue
> Serere; I have later learned Wolof to be able to communicate with the rest
> of Senegal, and finally French as international language.
> 
> During an international meeting, when you make a contribution or an
> intervention in French, the participants believe it is a provocation. There
> are tens of millions of people throughout the world, mainly in Africa, that
> don't have anything but French as international language to communicate and
> share with other peoples.
> 
> In Senegal, we have a long tradition of defense of the French language:
> L?opold Sedar Senghor, Abdou Diouf, etc. It is not to please you, Mister
> Chairman. It is a vital question.
> 
> On the other hand, we are very sensitive to the efforts made by the
> Secretariat of Internet Governance and to its commitments to ensure a full
> participation by non-English speaking people, and particularly by
> French-speaking people, to the working group. We take note of this.
> 
> We sincerely thank the Secretariat for having deployed an effective system
> of interpretation that allows us to follow with much interest the present
> meeting.
> 
> I take advantage of this tribune to appeal to this honourable assembly so
> that it favours inclusive advances regarding multilingualism in the
> development of Internet governance. Let me forget that, when you do not
> know
> English, you are often considered like an analphabetic or a weird person.
> -- 
> vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<------
> http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Vecchio sito, nuovo tobl?g...
> 
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From james.archibald at mcgill.ca  Fri Sep 24 18:30:03 2004
From: james.archibald at mcgill.ca (Jak Archibald)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] La localisation sur la toile - Rappel
In-Reply-To: <p06110418bd05cf0123b3@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <000f01c4a25c$208514e0$17ecce84@mcgill.ca>


Inscrivez-vous au colloque sur la localisation [.pdf] 

http://francais.mcgill.ca/conted-translation/


From marindaw at refer.sn  Fri Sep 24 20:08:39 2004
From: marindaw at refer.sn (Marie N'Daw)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] participation au G roupe  de Travail  sur la Gouvernance de l'Internet
Message-ID: <003301c4a26a$02e965e0$f3e132cf@user>

A travers ce d?bat riche et bilingue tenu au Palais des Nations  les 20 et 21 Septembre 2004 sur le  GTGI  et dans le cadre de la parit? homme - femme pour le GTGI ,je pose ma candidature en tant que femme ?lue locale ( Collectivit? locale ) . 
Les autorit?s ont certainement compris que le d?veloppement ?conomique passe par la lib?ration des initiatives , de l' esprit de responsabilit? , de  la participation populaire que seule la d?centralisation peut v?ritablement  r?aliser.
Les femmes doivent participer pleinement en tant que partenaires du d?veloppement ,et doivent profiter autant que les hommes des avantages  du d?veloppement .Accueillir les femmes dans les instances d?cisionnelles , c' est leur permettre de mettre leur talent et leur exp?rience au service de toute la collectivit? .
Veuillez recevoir chers participants  mes salutations .

Dr  MARIE  NDAW  Pdte Commission Education -Sant?  -Population- Affaires Sociales et Culturelles  au Conseil R?gional de Dakar .
----Pdte de l' Association des Femmes pour la Promotion de la Sant? et des NTIC .
Participation au Prep Com 2  , au Sommet Mondial ? Gen?ve , au Sommet des Pouvoirs Locaux ? Lyon o? j' ai  pr?sent? un article intitul? :" Gestion de la cit? et d?mocratie locale : quels bons usages  des  technologies " et une iniative intitul?e  "Promotion et Diffusion des Politiques de Gouvernance Locale par le biais des NTIC "  qui ont  ?t? s?lectionn?s dans le site www.cities-lyon.org.
Participation ? la consultation sur le GTGI.

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From webmaster at nilebasin.com  Mon Sep 27 18:47:18 2004
From: webmaster at nilebasin.com (Nabil El-Khodari)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] geneva
In-Reply-To: <5DA0F4CA-0C88-11D9-9758-000393CB284C@imv.au.dk>
Message-ID: <001101c4a4ba$09110840$767ba8c0@compaq>

Dear Wolfgang:

Thank you very much for your account. I would like just to ask
verification about the notion of creating a 'new' UN agency. What is wrong
with the ITU? Should not we focus on strengthening it and may be adding
'new' mandate rather than creating a 'new' UN agency?

Sincerely,

Nabil El-Khodari
Founder/Treasurer
Nile Basin Society
Tel.: +1 (647) 722-3256
Fax: +1 (647) 722-3273

http://nilebasin.com
http://nilebasin.net
http://nile.ca
108 Waterbury Dr.
Toronto, Ontario, M9R 3Y3
Canada

"If the people will lead, the leaders will follow." Dr. David Suzuki
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From echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar  Sun Sep 26 23:43:34 2004
From: echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar (Enrique A. Chaparro)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Interesting news...
Message-ID: <20040926224334.1514ea20.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>


On the complicity between governments non respecting basic human rights,
and corporations giving them the technical means allowing to do so:

Sobre la complicidad entre gobiernos que no respetan derechos humanos
fundamentales, y corporaciones que les proporcionan los medios tecnicos
que les permiten hacerlo:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=528&e=3&u=/ap/20040925/ap_on_hi_te/google_china

For a bit of irony, see:
Para completar la ironia, ver:

http://www.google.ca/corp_gov/conduct.html#1

Saludos desde el Lejano Sur,

Enrique

-- 
``Izena duen guzia omen da.''
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From faia at amauta.rcp.net.pe  Mon Sep 27 01:40:34 2004
From: faia at amauta.rcp.net.pe (Erick Iriarte Ahon)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IV Congreso Mundial de Derecho Informatico: a dos semanas
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040926194014.022becd0@amauta.rcp.net.pe>

Subject: IV Congreso Mundial de Derecho Informatico: a dos semanas

Faltando dos semanas para el inicio del IV Congreso Mundial de Derecho 
Informatico, enviamos esta ultima comunicacion referida a anuncios finales 
e informacion altamente relevante para los participantes en el Congreso.

--------------------------

WALC 2004:
Una semana antes del IV Congreso Mundial de Derecho Inform?tico, se llevar? 
a cabo el VII Taller sobre Tecnologias de Redes Internet para America 
Latina (Cusco, 4 al 8 de Octubre. http://www.walc2004.cepes.org.pe). La 
Escuela Latinoamericana de Redes (EsLaRed) ha hecho la diferencia en 
Am?rica Latina proporcionando capacitaci?n de primer nivel en todo lo 
relacionado con tecnolog?a de redes y promoviendo el debate sobre temas 
clave relacionados con las tecnolog?as de informaci?n y comunicaci?n y el 
desarrollo de la regi?n. Bajo un enfoque inclusivo y orientado al software 
libre, la Escuela ha venido proporcionando entrenamiento intensivo en 
espa?ol a profesionales y t?cnicos de la regi?n, facilitando la apropiaci?n 
de las tecnolog?as de informaci?n y comunicaci?n. Este a?o conjuntamente 
EsLaRed y TIC.pe (http://www.walc2004.cepes.org.pe/tic.pe.shtml), realizan 
el VII Taller sobre Tecnologias de Redes.

--------------------------

Sitio del Congreso:
El sitio es el Local del Gobierno Regional de Cusco: Av de la Cultura 732
(Cusco).

--------------------------

Programa General:
El programa del congreso se encuentra en:
http://www.alfa-redi.org/congreso/completo.pdf
(eventualmente pudieran haber modificaciones menores)

--------------------------

Evento Paralelo: Latin-American Workshop on Internet Governance (con 
invitacion)

Convoca: UNICT-TF LAC

Convocatoria: http://www.alfa-redi.org/igwg/convocatoria.pdf

Objetivos:
i.	Generar un espacio de dialogo para desarrollar una posici?n regional en 
torno al tema del Internet Governance y su implicancia en el marco de la WSIS.
ii.	Compartir las posiciones de los principales actores y organizaciones 
involucradas en temas de Internet Governance en la Regi?n.

Fecha: 13 al 15 de Octubre del 2004.
Programa: http://www.alfa-redi.org/igwg/program.pdf

Mayor Informacion: Tadao Takahashi (tadao.takahashi@uol.com.br) o Alejandro 
Pisanty (apisan@servidor.unam.mx)   o Erick Iriarte (faia@amauta.rcp.net.pe)
--------------------------

Evento Paralelo: Asamblea Alfa-Redi (Sesion Abierta)
Lugar y Hora: Martes 8.00 p.m. (Lugar a Confirmar).
Tematica: Evaluacion de Actividades de Comunidad Alfa-Redi (CAR) en los 
pasados 5 a?os, programaci?n de actividades (pr?ximos eventos/talleres), 
proyectos presentados.

--------------------------

Evento Paralelo: @LIS ISN: creando una comunidad multisectorial entre 
Europa y Am?rica Latina sobre la Sociedad de la Informaci?n.
Dirigir? la reuni?n Fabio Nascimbeni (Menon Network EEIG) con 
organizaciones de la Sociedad Civil (requerimiento de acreditacion como 
organizacion de la Sociedad Civil (Universidades, Asociaciones, ONG's)), 
sobre el Proyecto @LIS de la Comunidad Europea (http://www.alis-online.org/)
Lugar y Hora: Miercoles: 8.00 p.m. en el hotel

--------------------------

Facilidades para Estudiantes:
A traves de INTEJ/ISIC (http://www.intej.org) podran tener facilidades para
temas de alojamiento, transporte y tours (asi como otros beneficios),
aquellas personas que son estudiantes universitarios (peruanos y
extranjeros), que vayan a particir del IV Congreso Mundial de Derecho
Informatico. Para ello deberan acreditar el estar siguiendo estudios 
universitarios. La persona de contacto para estas facilidades es Gabriela 
Ostolaza Mendoza
(counter.go@intej.org)

--------------------------

Talleres: Lunes a Jueves, de 3.00 a 5.00 p.m.
Los Talleres son actividades de las cuales pueden participar los 
acreditados en el Congreso, tienen como finalidad un acercamiento pr?ctico 
a tem?tica altamente relevante y actual.

Los Talleres se llevar?n a cabo en forma simultanea, teniendo una capacidad 
limitada, por lo cual el d?a inaugural en estricto orden de llegada se 
establecer? la priorizacion para estar en los talleres, no pudiendose 
suscribirse en dos talleres que tengan simultanea programaci?n.

----------------------------------------

Organizaciones Participantes
Para el presente Congreso Mundial han confirmado su participaci?n como 
expositores/panelistas/talleristas personas de las siguientes organizaciones.

Comisi?n Econ?mica para Am?rica Latina y el Caribe - CEPAL
OMPI - Divisi?n de Gesti?n, Tecnolog?a y Comercio Electr?nico relativos al 
Derecho de Autor
UNESCO - Regional Office for Comunication and Information for Latin America 
and the Caribbean.
UNICT Task Force
REGULATEL

Gobierno Regional de Cusco
Instituto Nacional de Defensa de la Competencia y de la Protecci?n de la 
Propiedad Intelectual - Oficina de Derechos de Autor
Organismos Supervisor de la Inversi?n Privada en Telecomunicaciones
Presidencia del Consejo de Ministros - Oficina de Gobierno Electr?nico
Superintendencia Nacional de Registros Publicos

Fiscal?a General de la Rep?blica de Cuba (Cuba)
Ministerio de Justicia (Cuba)
Oficina Nacional de Tecnolog?as de la Informaci?n (Argentina)
Tribunal Supremo de Justicia de Venezuela (Venezuela)
Viceministerio de Justicia de Bolivia (Bolivia)

London Metropolitan University (Inglaterra)
Universidad Carlos III (Espa?a)
Universidad Cayetano Heredia - Instituto de Medicina Tropical (Per?)
Universidad Complutense de Madrid (Espa?a)
Universidad de Los Andes (Colombia)
Universidad de Santiago de Chile (Chile)
Universidad de Vigo (Espa?a)
Universidad del Tachira (Venezuela)
Universidad del Zulia (Venezuela)
Universidad Iberoamericana de M?xico (M?xico)
Universidad La Salle (Mexico)
Universidad Nacional Autonoma de M?xico (M?xico)
Universidad Panamericana (M?xico)
University of Edinburgh - AHRB Research Centre for Studies in Intellectual 
Property and Technology Law (Escocia)
University of Wales (Escocia)
St. Mary's University School of Law (USA)

American Registry for Internet Numbers (USA)
Business Software Alliance
C?mara de Comercio de Lima (Per?)
II Justicia (Uruguay)
Instituto Interamericano de Derechos de Autor (LAC)
Instituto Brasileiro de Pol?tica e Direito da Inform?tica (Brasil)
Internet Corporation For Assigned Names and Numbers - At-Large Advisor 
Committee
IP Justice (USA)
Istituto di Linguistica Computazionale del CNR (Italia)
Istituto Teoria e Tecniche per l'Informazione Giuridica (Italia)
Linux Professional Institute (USA)
Menon Network EEIG (B?lgica)
Red Cientifica Peruana (Per?)
TIC.pe (Per?)

B & R Soluciones Legales (Colombia)
Barzallo & Barzallo Pe?aherrera (Ecuador)
Broseta Abogados (Espa?a)
Estudio Antequera Parilli & Rodr?guez  (Venezuela)
Estudio Calderon (Per?)
Estudio Garrigues (Espa?a)
Maldonado & Associates (Inglaterra)

Diners Club International (Ecuador)
Telefonica - Telefonica Empresas

--------------------------
Telefonos de Emergencia
En caso de cualquier eventualidad los siguientes ser?n los telef?nos 
permanentes:

Desde el extranjero
+511 97745758 (movil)
+511 2421899 (oficina)
+511 99068064 (movil) /  / + 511 98447559 (movil)

Desde Cusco
+01 97745758 (movil)
+01 2421899 (oficina)
+01 99068064 (movil) / + / +01 98447559 (movil)

Desde Lima
+97745758 (movil)
+2421899 (oficina)
+99068064 (movil) / + / 98447559 (movil)

--------------------------

Organizaciones Auspiciadoras / Patrocinantes / Colaboradoras

Aprovechamos para agradecer a todas y cada una de las organizaciones que se 
han involucrado a la fecha con el Congreso y a aquellas que se estan 
incorporando tambien en estas fecha:

Auspiciadores:
Telef?nica (Telef?nica Empresas)
BSA
ICA

Patrocinantes:
UNICT-TF
UNESCO
Gobierno Regional Cusco
Municipalidad de Cusco
ARIN
ALAC/ICANN
INDECOPI
SUNARP
Universidad del Salvador
Universit? de Pisa
IIEFGS
IIDA (Instituto Interamericano de Derechos de Autor)

Colaboradores:
Consejo General de la Abogac?a de Espa?a (Espa?a)
ADI-Chile (Chile)
AVDINT (Venezuela)
AADeSI (Argentina)
IBDI (Brasil)
LatinoamerICANN (LAC)
Universidad Ricardo Palma (Per?)

----------------------------------------------------

Saludos

Erick Iriarte Ahon
Presidente del Comite Organizador
IV Congreso Mundial de Derecho Informatico
http://www.alfa-redi.org/congreso/ivmundial.asp (Espa?ol)
http://www.alfa-redi.org/congreso/ivmundiali.asp (Ingles) 


From adavidziuk at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 27 08:19:15 2004
From: adavidziuk at yahoo.com (alejandra davidziuk)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Crisinfo.org - news ENG ESP  [September 27, 2004]
Message-ID: <20040927071915.3250.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com>

Crisinfo.org - news ENG ESP [September 27, 2004]

COLOMBIA: LANZAMIENTO PORTAL CUMBRE MUNDIAL DE LA
SOCIEDAD DE LA INFORMACIÓN 
12 miembros de la Asociación para el Progreso de las
Comunicaciones - APC en distintos países del mundo han
creado portales web de políticas nacionales de
Tecnologías de Información y Comunicación, TIC y
monitores de la Cumbre Mundial de la Sociedad de la
Información, CMSI. Estos portales utilizan software
libre que permite compartir contenidos en diferentes
idiomas y entre múltiples bases de datos informativas
alojadas en distintas partes del mundo. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/index.php/content/view/full/431/

INDYMEDIA @ THE ESF
At the heart of one of the worlds most techno-surveyed
capital cities, thousands of people from a huge array
of social movements will gather in London for this
years European Social Forum. Indymedia is hosting a
four-day Indymedia centre (IMC) to facilitate
reporting and DIY media production around the ESF and
other autonomous spaces and actions in London. Come
and join us from October 14th ­ 17th in London. We
need your reporting, radio, photography, cables,
ideas, enthusiasm and more! 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/423/

LE RÉSEAU MÉDIAS, CULTURE ET COMMUNICATION
L'EFCR (Forum Européen sur les Droits de la
Communication) sera le premier de quatre jours de
débat, de collaboration et d'échanges et de
réalisation de médias qui se dérouleront au Centre
Camden, près de King Cross, dans l'un des deux lieux
centraux du Forum Social Européen. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/422/

FOUR DAYS OF COMMUNICATIONS RIGHTS AND TACTICAL MEDIA
PRODUCTION
Media Culture and Communications Rights Network
(MCCRN) presents the workshop Four Days of
Communications Rights and Tactical Media Production
that will be held on Thursday October 14, 2004 in
London, during the European Social Forum. Here you
have the programme for the event. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/420/

CUATRO DÍAS DEDICADOS A LOS DERECHOS A LA COMUNICACIÓN
Y PRODUCCIÓN DE MEDIOS 
La Red por una cultura de los medios y los derechos de
comunicación (MCCRN) presenta una jornada especial
sobre los Derechos a la Comunicación y a la Producción
Estratégica de Medios que tendrá lugar el jueves 14 de
octubre próximo en Londres, Inglaterra, en el marco
del Foro Social Europeo. A continuación, le ofrecemos
un programa con todas las actividades programadas. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/421/ 

FREE PRESS 2ND NATIONAL CONFERENCE FOR MEDIA REFORM
Free Press is soliciting proposals for sessions to be
presented at the 2nd National Conference for Media
Reform. We invite sessions that galvanize the energy
of a growing media reform movement by inspiring
individuals to become more deeply involved with media
activism and policy making. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/430/

AMARC INTERVENTION AT UNESCO 
During a short meeting organised for civil society
delegates, Steve Buckley, on behalf of the World
Association of Community Radio Broadcasters (AMARC),
presented a proposal to the draft of the cultural
diversity convention. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/429/

ARRANCA LA NEGOCIACIÓN DE LA CONVENCIÓN SOBRE
DIVERSIDAD CULTURAL
[Por Sally Burch] La diversidad cultural es una de las
mayores riquezas de la humanidad, y su respeto no solo
es un derecho de los pueblos, sino que, en un marco de
diálogo y cooperación, es una condición para poder
caminar hacia la paz y la convivencia mundiales. Los
acontecimientos mundiales de este nuevo siglo han
puesto en evidencia la urgencia para la humanidad de
encontrar respuestas para hacer avanzar el respeto y
el fomento de la diversidad cultural.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/428/

SEPA CÓMO INSCRIBIRSE PARA EL FORO SOCIAL MUNDIAL 2005
Ya se han abierto las inscripciones para
organizaciones e individuos para el FSM 2005, que
sucederá en Porto Alegre (Brasil) entre el 26 y el 31
de enero de 2005. El Foro Social Mundial de 2005 se
construirá bajo una nueva perspectiva y metodología,
con el objetivo de ampliar al máximo la posibilidad de
convergencia, multiplicar los diálogos durante el
evento y evitar la repetición desarticulada de
actividades sobre el mismo tema. Esa iniciativa parte
de la premisa de que no se puede construir otro mundo
sin agregarse esfuerzos, construir alternativas y
articular acciones y campañas en común. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/427/

COMMENT S´INSCRIRE AU FORUM SOCIAL MONDIAL 2005
Les inscriptions pour le FSM 2005, qui aura lieu à
Porto Alegre (Brésil) du 26 au 31 janvier 2005, sont
maintenant commencées pour les organisations et les
individus. Le Forum Social Mondial 2005 a été
construit avec une nouvelle perspective et
méthodologie, avec comme objectif augmenter au maximum
la possibilité de convergences, multiplier les
dialogues durant lévènement et éviter la répétition
d´activités sur un même thème. Cette iniciative vient
de la prémisse qui dit qu´il n´est pas possible
construire un autre monde sans faire des efforts,
construire des alternatives et articuler des actions
et des campagnes en commun. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/426/

INFORMATION HOW TO REGISTER TO WORLD SOCIAL FORUM 2005
The registrations for WSF 2005, to be held in Porto
Alegre (Brazil) from January 26 to 31, 2005, are
opened for organisations and individuals. World Social
Forum 2005 will be made up of a new perspective and of
a new methodology, aims to enlarge the possibility of
convergences, increase dialogues during the event and
avoid different activities on same issue that have
been developed repetitively and without dialogue
between them. This initiative starts from the premise
that its not possible build another world without
adding efforts, building alternatives and interlinking
common actions and campaigns. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/425/

GOOGLE CONFORMS TO CHINESE CENSORSHIP 
According to Yahoo! News Section, Google Inc.'s
recently launched news service in China doesn't
display results from Web sites blocked by that
country's authorities, raising prickly questions for
an online search engine that has famously promised to
"do no evil." 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/424/

¿QUIERE PARTICIPAR? FIRME LA CARTA DE CRIS
Nuestra visión de la Sociedad de la Información se
fundamenta en el Derecho a Comunicar como un medio de
acrecentar los derechos humanos y fortalecer la vida
social, económica y cultural de las personas y las
comunidades. Para lograrlo, resulta fundamental que
las organizaciones de la sociedad civil se unan para
cooperar en la construcción de una sociedad de la
información basada en principios de transparencia,
diversidad, participación, justicia social y
económica, e inspiradas por la equidad de género y las
perspectivas culturales y regionales. Lo invitamos a
conocer más sobre la Campaña de CRIS y a participar
firmando la Carta de CRIS: 
http://scripts.planetgrey.org/cris/sign_charter_form.html
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/97/ 

LA CHARTE DE CRIS
Notre vision de la «société de l’information» est
basée sur le droit de communiquer qui est considéré
comme un moyen pour étendre les droits de l’homme et
améliorer la vie sociale, économique et culturelle des
personnes et des communautés. Pour cela, il est
essentiel que les organisations de la société civile
se réunissent afin d’aider à la construction d’une
société de l’information basée sur les principes de
transparence, de diversité, de participation et de
justice économique et sociale et inspirée par une
approche équitable du rapport des sexes, de la culture
et des aspects régionaux.
http://scripts.planetgrey.org/cris/sign_charter_form.html
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/95/

WOULD YOU LIKE TO GET INVOLVED? ENDORSE THE CRIS
CHARTER
Our vision of the 'Information Society' is grounded in
the Right to Communicate, as a means to enhance human
rights and to strengthen the social, economic and
cultural lives of people and communities. Crucial to
this is that civil society organisations come together
to help build an information society based on
principles of transparency, diversity, participation
and social and economic justice, and inspired by
equitable gender, cultural and regional perspectives.
We invite you to read more about CRIS Campaign and get
involved endorsing the CRIS Chapter:
http://scripts.planetgrey.org/cris/sign_charter_form.html
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/98/ 

READ MORE / LEA MAS / LISEZ PLUS
http://www.crisinfo.org/



		
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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Mon Sep 27 15:32:52 2004
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Making the Grade?: A Report Card on US Policies for the
 Information Society
Message-ID: <p06200a08bd7dd5020ab9@[192.168.1.251]>

I would like to notify the readers of this list of the upcoming CPSR 
conference that will grade the US administration on its policies 
related to the information society.

regards

Robert


2004 CPSR ANNUAL CONFERENCE, RECEPTION, AND MEMBER MEETING
Making the Grade?: A Report Card on US Policies for the Information Society

Saturday, October 16, Building 42 -- McCarthy Hall the McShain - 
Large Lounge - - Georgetown University

http://cpsr.org/conferences/annmtg04/

-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From katitza at speedy.com.pe  Mon Sep 27 11:31:43 2004
From: katitza at speedy.com.pe (Katitza =?iso-8859-1?q?Rodr=EDguez_Pereda?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Futuro de WIPO
Message-ID: <200409271031.45437.katitza@speedy.com.pe>

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Estimad@s amig@s:

El 30 de septiembre de 2004 la Asamblea General de la Organizaci?n Mundial de
la Propiedad Intelectual (OMPI) debatir? una importante propuesta oficial de
Argentina y Brasil, destinada a variar la misi?n y el programa de trabajo de
la OMPI. En torno a dicha iniciativa se ha elaborado la "Declaraci?n de
Ginebra sobre el futuro de la OMPI", para la que se est? recolectando
adhesiones. Si desea suscribir el documento, env?e un correo electr?nico a
geneva_declaration@cptech.org.

La "Declaraci?n de Ginebra sobre el futuro de la OMPI" traducida al
castellano la encuentra en:
http://www.peru.cpsr.org

Mayor informaci?n sobre la Declaraci?n de Ginebra y la propuesta de Argentina
y Brasil en http://www.cptech.org/ip/wipo/genevadeclaration.html; referente
al Convenio que establece la OMPI (suscrito en Estocolmo el 14 de julio de
1967 y enmendado el 28 de septiembre de 1979) en
http://www.wipo.int/clea/docs/es/wo/wo029es.htm y en relaci?n con el Acuerdo
entre las Naciones Unidas y la OMPI en
?http://www.wipo.int/treaties/es/agreement/index.html.
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From jeanette at wz-berlin.de  Tue Sep 28 00:32:12 2004
From: jeanette at wz-berlin.de (Jeanette Hofmann)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] nomination procedure for IG working group/ next steps
Message-ID: <4158A2FC.2040201@wz-berlin.de>

Hi, everybody,

there seems to be some confusion regarding the deadline for nominating 
candidates for the slate to be proposed to the working group secretariat.

According to the guidelines Adam Peake sent around early September the 
deadline was September 20. The deadline was never extended. However 
several caucuses sent their nominations a few days later, and some 
nominations are still on the way. In fact, the Internet Governance 
caucus hasn't been able yet to confirm its own candidates.

I would therefore propose to extent the deadline for another 24 hours. 
Nominations should thus be sent it until GMT midnight 28/29 September. 
This is the ultimate deadline!
The address is still the same: igov@tla.crepundia.net

We plan to publish all proposed names tomorrow (within the next hours 
that is) on the the IG caucus's website: http://www.net-gov.org/

Please check whether your candidates are listed. Not all people used the 
address we suggested. Some nominations might thus have got lost.

Regarding the further procedure:

The IG caucus is still in the process of discussing the further 
selection procedure. What has been more or less agreed upon so far is 
the following:

The IG caucus assumes responsibility for generating a final list of 
10-20 candidates.

The IG caucus invites all people who would like to participate in 
discussing the next steps to join the IG caucus mailing list. (The above 
mentioned website tells you how to subscribe.)

We plan to send to the IG working group's secretariat the list of 
proposed candidates plus the URL of the website that shows all 
originally nominated names together with their caucus affiliation. We 
also intend to inform the secretariat about the selection criteria we used.

Caucuses who are not satisfied with our selection may consider to send 
to Markus Kummer their own suggestions.

We are running out of time, which is why the next steps will presumably 
be decided upon very quickly.

We will send another mail to the plenary and the IG caucus list as soon 
as the website with the list of proposed names is published.

best regards, jeanette


From schock at riseup.net  Thu Sep 23 17:49:32 2004
From: schock at riseup.net (Sasha Costanza-Chock)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [fwd] Debate over WIPO future
Message-ID: <4152FE9C.3060506@riseup.net>

 From Jamie Love, CPTech. Please translate and forward - sc

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A battle has erupted within the World Intellectual Property Organization
(WIPO) over the most fundamental questions of its mission.  A number
of developing countries, lead by Argentina and Brazil, have tabled a
proposal for a "development agenda," which involves stopping work on new
treaties that hike intellectual property protections, and redirecting
the agency to a range of initiatives more responsive to development and
concerns of WIPO critics.  Officially, this is debated on September 30,
2004.  Below is a copy of a Declaration on the Future of WIPO, which
discusses the problems with WIPO, the proposal for a development agenda,
and other reforms at WIPO.   We are seeking additional signatures for
this Declaration.  To sign, send an email note to

mailto:geneva_declaration@cptech.org.

You can read about the debate in WIPO on the development agenda, see the
signatures of persons who have already signed the Declaration, and
review relevant WIPO documents here:

http://www.cptech.org/ip/wipo/genevadeclaration.html

The following is the text of the English version of the Declaration.

   Jamie Love

------------------

Geneva Declaration on the Future of the World Intellectual Property
Organization

Humanity faces a global crisis in the governance of knowledge,
technology and culture.  The crisis is manifest in many ways.

* Without access to essential medicines, millions suffer and die;
* Morally repugnant inequality of access to education, knowledge and
technology undermines development and social cohesion;
* Anticompetitive practices in the knowledge economy impose enormous
costs on consumers and retard innovation;
* Authors, artists and inventors face mounting barriers to follow-on
innovation;
* Concentrated ownership and control of knowledge, technology,
biological resources and culture harm development, diversity and
democratic institutions;
* Technological measures designed to enforce intellectual property
rights in digital environments threaten core exceptions in copyright
laws for disabled persons, libraries, educators, authors and consumers,
and undermine privacy and freedom;
* Key mechanisms to compensate and support creative individuals and
communities are unfair to both creative persons and consumers;
* Private interests misappropriate social and public goods, and lock up
the public domain.

At the same time, there are astoundingly promising innovations in
information, medical and other essential technologies, as well as in
social movements and business models.  We are witnessing highly
successful campaigns for access to drugs for AIDS, scientific journals,
genomic information and other databases, and hundreds of innovative
collaborative efforts to create public goods, including the Internet,
the World Wide Web, Wikipedia, the Creative Commons, GNU Linux and other
free and open software projects, as well as distance education tools and
medical research tools.  Technologies such as Google now provide tens of
millions with powerful tools to find information.  Alternative
compensation systems have been proposed to expand access and interest in
cultural works, while providing both artists and consumers with
efficient and fair systems for compensation.  There is renewed interest
in compensatory liability rules, innovation prizes, or competitive
intermediators, as models for economic incentives for science and
technology that can facilitate sequential follow-on innovation and avoid
monopolist abuses.  In 2001, the World Trade Organization (WTO) declared
that member countries should "promote access to medicines for all."

Humanity stands at a crossroads - a fork in our moral code and a test of
our ability to adapt and grow.   Will we evaluate, learn and profit from
the best of these new ideas and opportunities, or will we respond to the
most unimaginative pleas to suppress all of this in favor of
intellectually weak, ideologically rigid, and sometimes brutally unfair
and inefficient policies?  Much will depend upon the future direction of
the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO), a global body
setting standards that regulate the production, distribution and use of
knowledge.

A 1967 Convention sought to encourage creative activity by establishing
WIPO to promote the protection of intellectual property.  The mission
was expanded in 1974, when WIPO became part of the United Nations, under
an agreement that asked WIPO to take "appropriate action to promote
creative intellectual activity," and facilitate the transfer of
technology to developing countries, "in order to accelerate economic,
social and cultural development."

As an intergovernmental organization, however, WIPO embraced a culture
of creating and expanding monopoly privileges, often without regard to
consequences.  The continuous expansion of these privileges and their
enforcement mechanisms has led to grave social and economic costs, and
has hampered and threatened other important systems of creativity and
innovation.  WIPO needs to enable its members to understand the real
economic and social consequences of excessive intellectual property
protections, and the importance of striking a balance between the public
domain and competition on the one hand, and the realm of property rights
on the other.  The mantras that "more is better" or "that less is never
good" are disingenuous and dangerous -- and have greatly compromised the
standing of WIPO, especially among experts in intellectual property
policy.  WIPO must change.

We do not ask that WIPO abandon efforts to promote the appropriate
protection of intellectual property, or abandon all efforts to harmonize
or improve these laws.  But we insist that WIPO to work from the broader
framework described in the 1974 agreement with the UN, and to take a
more balanced and realistic view of the social benefits and costs of
intellectual property rights as a tool, but not the only tool, for
supporting creativity intellectual activity.

WIPO must also express a more balanced view of the relative benefits of
harmonization and diversity, and seek to impose global conformity only
when it truly benefits all of humanity.  A "one size fits all" approach
that embraces the highest levels of intellectual property protection for
everyone leads to unjust and burdensome outcomes for countries that are
struggling to meet the most basic needs of their citizens.

The WIPO General Assembly has now been asked to establish a development
agenda.  The initial proposal, first put forth by the governments of
Argentina and Brazil, would profoundly refashion the WIPO agenda toward
development and new approaches to support innovation and creativity.
This is a long overdue and much needed first step toward a new WIPO
mission and work program.  It is not perfect.  The WIPO Convention
should formally recognize the need to take into account the "development
needs of its Member States, particularly developing countries and
least-developed countries," as has been proposed, but this does not go
far enough.  Some have argued that the WIPO should only "promote the
protection of intellectual property," and not consider, any policies
that roll back intellectual property claims or protect and enhance the
public domain.  This limiting view stifles critical thinking.   Better
expressions of the mission can be found, including the requirement in
the 1974 UN/WIPO agreement that WIPO "promote creative intellectual
activity and facilitate the transfer of technology related to industrial
property."  The functions of WIPO should not only be to promote
"efficient protection" and "harmonization" of intellectual property
laws, but to formally embrace the notions of balance, appropriateness
and the stimulation of both competitive and collaborative models of
creative activity within national, regional and transnational systems of
innovation.

The proposal for a development agenda has created the first real
opportunity to debate the future of WIPO.  It is not only an agenda for
developing countries.  It is an agenda for everyone, North and South.
It must move forward.  All nations and people must join and expand the
debate on the future of WIPO.

There must be a moratorium on new treaties and harmonization of
standards that expand and strengthen monopolies and further restrict
access to knowledge.  For generations WIPO has responded primarily to
the narrow concerns of powerful publishers, pharmaceutical
manufacturers, plant breeders and other commercial interests.  Recently,
WIPO has become more open to civil society and public interest groups,
and this openness is welcome.  But WIPO must now address the substantive
concerns of these groups, such as the protection of consumer rights and
human rights.  Long-neglected concerns of the poor, the sick, the
visually impaired and others must be given priority.

The proposed development agenda points in the right direction.  By
stopping efforts to adopt new treaties on substantive patent law,
broadcasters rights and databases, WIPO will create space to address far
more urgent needs.

The proposals for the creation of standing committees and working groups
on technology transfer and development are welcome.  WIPO should also
consider the creation of one or more bodies to systematically address
the control of anticompetitive practices and the protection of consumer
rights.

We support the call for a Treaty on Access to Knowledge and Technology.
  The Standing Committee on Patents and the Standing Committee on
Copyright and Related Rights should solicit views from member countries
and the public on elements of such a treaty.

The WIPO technical assistance programs must be fundamentally reformed.
Developing countries must have the tools to implement the WTO Doha
Declaration on TRIPS and Public Health, and "use, to the full" the
flexibilities in the TRIPS to "promote access to medicines for all."
WIPO must help developing countries address the limitations and
exceptions in patent and copyright laws that are essential for fairness,
development and innovation.  If the WIPO Secretariat cannot understand
the concerns and represent the interests of the poor, the entire
technical assistance program should be moved to an independent body that
is accountable to developing countries.

Enormous differences in bargaining power lead to unfair outcomes between
creative individuals and communities (both modern and traditional) and
the commercial entities that sell culture and knowledge goods.  WIPO
must honor and support creative individuals and communities by
investigating the nature of relevant unfair business practices, and
promote best practice models and reforms that protect creative
individuals and communities in these situations, consistent with norms
of the relevant communities.

Delegations representing the WIPO member states and the WIPO Secretariat
have been asked to choose a future.  We want a change of direction, new
priorities, and better outcomes for humanity.  We cannot wait for
another generation.  It is time to seize the moment and move forward.



-- 
James Love | Consumer Project on Technology
http://www.cptech.org | mailto:james.love AT cptech.org
P.O. Box 19367, Washington, DC 200036
voice +1.202.387.8030 | fax +1.202.234.5176


From jeanette at wz-berlin.de  Tue Sep 28 14:50:14 2004
From: jeanette at wz-berlin.de (Jeanette Hofmann)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] List of candidates
Message-ID: <41596C16.4080001@wz-berlin.de>

Dear all, as announced last night here is the list of all names that 
have been suggested: http://www.net-gov.org/wgig/

Please check if the list is complete and get back to me in case you find 
omissions. It wasn't quite easy to compile this list. We apologize for 
all errors.
Information about the candidates on the website will follow soon, 
probably tonight European time.

Just as a reminder, the ultimate deadline for nominations is today at 
midnight, GMT.

Best, jeanette



From rikp at earthlink.net  Tue Sep 28 18:17:34 2004
From: rikp at earthlink.net (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CONGO General Briefing with Karklins & Geiger 30 September
Message-ID: <498139A4-1172-11D9-8200-000A9575083C@earthlink.net>

Dear Colleagues,

For those of you in the Geneva area, CONGO will be holding a general 
briefing for its members and other NGOs on 30 September at the Palais 
des Nations from 14:30-17:30.  WSIS President Amb. Janis Karklins and 
Charles Geiger just confirmed that they will be present at the meeting 
and speaking at the beginning.

Sorry about the late notice.  We just got confirmation of this today.  
All are welcome, but you will need a Geneva UN grounds pass to enter 
the Palais.

Regards,

Rik Panganiban

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Dear Friends and Colleagues,

  ?It is my pleasure to invite you to a


CONGO General Briefing

  on Thursday, 30 September 2004

  14:30-17:30

  Palais des Nations, Geneva

  Room XXII


  ?
  The briefing will cover the following items:

	? 	WSIS phase II
	? 	Cardoso Report and Follow-up
	? 	Millennium+5 process
	? 	CONGO Board decisions
	? 	Capacity building in the regions

UPDATE: Ambassador Janis Karklins, President of the World Summit on the 
Information Society Phase II, and Charles Geiger, Deputy Executive 
Secretary, will speak at the beginning of the meeting.

  I look forward to seeing many of you. With warm regards,

  Renate Bloem


===============================================
RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator

Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship
with the United Nations (CONGO)
web: http://www.ngocongo.org
email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524 
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From ariwae at unl.ac.uk  Tue Sep 28 18:37:44 2004
From: ariwae at unl.ac.uk (ariwae@unl.ac.uk)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] List of candidates
In-Reply-To: <41596C16.4080001@wz-berlin.de>
References: <41596C16.4080001@wz-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <1223.163.167.73.67.1096393064.squirrel@webmail1.londonmet.ac.uk>

Dear Sir/Madam

I am happy to volunteer as member of the WSIS CS caucuses

Kindly let me know if my application is successful

Ezendu Ariwa


>
> Dear all, as announced last night here is the list of all names that
> have been suggested: http://www.net-gov.org/wgig/
>
> Please check if the list is complete and get back to me in case you find
> omissions. It wasn't quite easy to compile this list. We apologize for
> all errors.
> Information about the candidates on the website will follow soon,
> probably tonight European time.
>
> Just as a reminder, the ultimate deadline for nominations is today at
> midnight, GMT.
>
> Best, jeanette
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>


From info at virtualactivism.net  Tue Sep 28 21:49:47 2004
From: info at virtualactivism.net (INFO)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] List of candidates
In-Reply-To: <1223.163.167.73.67.1096393064.squirrel@webmail1.londonmet.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <BFEHKBDFENGJLLIPCDKHIEJFCJAA.info@virtualactivism.net>

One more name: Marlyn Tadros, Arab Caucus
Thanks


-----Original Message-----
From: ariwae@unl.ac.uk [mailto:ariwae@unl.ac.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 01:38 ?
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] List of candidates


Dear Sir/Madam

I am happy to volunteer as member of the WSIS CS caucuses

Kindly let me know if my application is successful

Ezendu Ariwa


>
> Dear all, as announced last night here is the list of all names that
> have been suggested: http://www.net-gov.org/wgig/
>
> Please check if the list is complete and get back to me in case you find
> omissions. It wasn't quite easy to compile this list. We apologize for
> all errors.
> Information about the candidates on the website will follow soon,
> probably tonight European time.
>
> Just as a reminder, the ultimate deadline for nominations is today at
> midnight, GMT.
>
> Best, jeanette
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>

_______________________________________________
Plenary mailing list
Plenary@wsis-cs.org
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary



From ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es  Tue Sep 28 22:53:41 2004
From: ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es (Lady Murrugarra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] List of candidates
In-Reply-To: <BFEHKBDFENGJLLIPCDKHIEJFCJAA.info@virtualactivism.net>
Message-ID: <20040928215341.49788.qmail@web11801.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear All,
 
Congratulations by the  people Latin American!!
 
Regards,
 
Lady

INFO <info@virtualactivism.net> wrote:
One more name: Marlyn Tadros, Arab Caucus
Thanks


-----Original Message-----
From: ariwae@unl.ac.uk [mailto:ariwae@unl.ac.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 01:38 ?
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] List of candidates


Dear Sir/Madam

I am happy to volunteer as member of the WSIS CS caucuses

Kindly let me know if my application is successful

Ezendu Ariwa


>
> Dear all, as announced last night here is the list of all names that
> have been suggested: http://www.net-gov.org/wgig/
>
> Please check if the list is complete and get back to me in case you find
> omissions. It wasn't quite easy to compile this list. We apologize for
> all errors.
> Information about the candidates on the website will follow soon,
> probably tonight European time.
>
> Just as a reminder, the ultimate deadline for nominations is today at
> midnight, GMT.
>
> Best, jeanette
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>

_______________________________________________
Plenary mailing list
Plenary@wsis-cs.org
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


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From webmaster at nilebasin.com  Thu Sep 30 00:10:25 2004
From: webmaster at nilebasin.com (Nabil El-Khodari)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:00 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] OPenNet: A Starting Point: Legal Implications of Internet Filtering
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From webmaster at nilebasin.com  Thu Sep 30 00:33:01 2004
From: webmaster at nilebasin.com (Nabil El-Khodari)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:01 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] List of candidates
In-Reply-To: <41596C16.4080001@wz-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <00cb01c4a67c$aab87f70$767ba8c0@compaq>

Dear Jeanette Hofmann:

I would like to nominate myself on behalf of the Nile Basin Society. I
found the list of nominee lacking in African representation.

Sincerely,
 
Nabil El-Khodari
Founder/Treasurer
Nile Basin Society
Tel.: +1 (647) 722-3256
Fax: +1 (647) 722-3273	 

http://nilebasin.com
http://nilebasin.net
http://nile.ca 	
108 Waterbury Dr.
Toronto, Ontario, M9R 3Y3
Canada	 

"If the people will lead, the leaders will follow." Dr. David Suzuki



-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On
Behalf Of Jeanette Hofmann
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:50 AM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Cc: governance@lists.cpsr.org
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] List of candidates



Dear all, as announced last night here is the list of all names that 
have been suggested: http://www.net-gov.org/wgig/

Please check if the list is complete and get back to me in case you find 
omissions. It wasn't quite easy to compile this list. We apologize for 
all errors.
Information about the candidates on the website will follow soon, 
probably tonight European time.

Just as a reminder, the ultimate deadline for nominations is today at 
midnight, GMT.

Best, jeanette


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From acarvin at edc.org  Wed Sep 29 00:57:08 2004
From: acarvin at edc.org (Andy Carvin)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:01 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG nominations from the Telecentres Working Group
Message-ID: <4159FA54.9000400@edc.org>

The members of the Telecentres Working Group would like to submit the 
following candidates for consideration:

Karin Delgadillo Poepsel (Ecuador), karin@chasquinet.org
Matyas Gaspar (Hungary), gaspar.matyas@axelero.hu
David Leeming (Solomon Islands), leeming@pipolfastaem.gov.sb
Taran Rampersad (Trinidad and Tobago), cnd@knowprose.com

thanks,
Andy Carvin
Focal Point, Telecentres Working Group


-- 
--------------------------------------
Andy Carvin
Program Director
EDC Center for Media & Community
acarvin @ edc . org
http://www.digitaldividenetwork.org
http://www.edwebproject.org/andy/blog/
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From cnd at knowprose.com  Wed Sep 29 02:47:26 2004
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:01 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] List of candidates
In-Reply-To: <20040928215341.49788.qmail@web11801.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040928215341.49788.qmail@web11801.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <415A142E.9080200@knowprose.com>

Lady Murrugarra wrote:

> Dear All,
> Congratulations by the people Latin American!!
> Regards,
> Lady

It's a shame that there's no representation for the Caribbean, though.
Perhaps that will be addressed elsewhere.

-- 
Taran Rampersad

cnd@knowprose.com

http://www.linuxgazette.com
http://www.a42.com
http://www.worldchanging.com
http://www.knowprose.com
http://www.easylum.net

" It requires greater courage to preserve inner freedom, to move on in one's inward journey into new realms, than to stand defiantly for outer freedom."? Rollo May 



From acarvin at edc.org  Wed Sep 29 02:03:25 2004
From: acarvin at edc.org (Andy Carvin)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:01 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] List of candidates
In-Reply-To: <415A142E.9080200@knowprose.com>
References: <20040928215341.49788.qmail@web11801.mail.yahoo.com> <415A142E.9080200@knowprose.com>
Message-ID: <415A09DD.80409@edc.org>

Apart from you, of course, Taran, since you made the list from the 
Telecentres group; check your in-box. :-) -ac

Taran Rampersad wrote:
> 
> 
> It's a shame that there's no representation for the Caribbean, though.
> Perhaps that will be addressed elsewhere.
> 

-- 
--------------------------------------
Andy Carvin
Program Director
EDC Center for Media & Community
acarvin @ edc . org
http://www.digitaldividenetwork.org
http://www.edwebproject.org/andy/blog/
--------------------------------------

From jeanette at wz-berlin.de  Wed Sep 29 10:24:24 2004
From: jeanette at wz-berlin.de (Jeanette Hofmann)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:01 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] recent nominations
Message-ID: <415A7F48.6000807@wz-berlin.de>

Hi, everybody,

we have received quite a few new nominations before the deadline last 
night. Most of these nominations contain only names but no further 
information about the candidates. I am afraid names don't provide enough 
of a basis for evaluating these candidates.

I've included in this mail again the description of the nomination 
process as proposed by Adam Peake in early Semptember. While the 
deadline for nominations has passed it is still possible to send in more 
details regarding the candidates.

best regards, jeanette



Please follow the format described below and send to this address:

<igov@tla.crepundia.net>

We will collate all nominations.

Please also send to the civil society plenary list if you wish, but 
suggest you strip any personal contact information before doing so.

The format below only asks for information about the caucus or working 
group submitting the nomination(s), we should also have something about 
any individual making a nomination: who you are, your relationship with 
the nominee (typical conflict of interest issues.) This will not be 
necessary for a self-nomination :-)


Format for submitting nomination(s)

In making your caucuses/working groups recommendation, we request that 
you submit the following information, which will be passed on to Mr. 
Kummer, with the names of the candidates. Individual members of the CS 
plenary may also submit nominations. Individuals should also submit 
their nominations based on the criteria explained below.

- Reliable contact information for the candidate; i.e. email, telephone, 
fax and postal address.

- A statement indicating the qualities that the person would bring to 
the WGIG.  While no particular content is being required, it is 
recommended that this section include a discussion of the concerns 
mentioned above and a discussion of the experience and perspective the 
candidate would bring to the WGIG discussions.

- A statement of the person's governance related affiliations.  That is 
information such as: which sector does the person belong to (government, 
industry or civil society), what caucuses/working groups do they 
participate in, employer, national background, and language skills.

- An indication from the candidate that they understand the work load 
they are volunteering for and that they are available during the 
expected period of deliberations.

- A short statement about your caucus/working group. Include information 
about the group's background and history, membership (numbers), and 
achievements or other information you think relevant. Please give a URL 
for a website if you have one.

It is recommended that these statements be no more then two pages in 
length. Candidate information will be collated and published on the 
Internet <http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/> (with candidates 
personal contact information removed.)

END
______________



From nne75 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 29 14:28:45 2004
From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:01 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Working Group on Finance
In-Reply-To: <00cb01c4a67c$aab87f70$767ba8c0@compaq>
Message-ID: <20040929132845.74833.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear all
 
Does anyone have the latest on this group?  Contacts, caucuses, dates ... ?
 
Thanks
 
Nnenna

		
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From bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de  Wed Sep 29 15:02:24 2004
From: bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:01 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Working Group on Finance
References: <20040929132845.74833.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <415AC070.72690CD@zedat.fu-berlin.de>

> Does anyone have the latest on this group?  Contacts, caucuses, dates
There is some off-list traffic going on at the moment between a number
of people on this issue. As soon as we have set up the basics (listserv,
website, coordinators etc.), it will be announced here.

One date to remember: UN ICT Task Force meeting and Global Forum in
Berlin, 19-20 November, whcih will deal with ?Promoting Enabling
Environment For Digital Development?. We are currently planning a
one-day civil society workshop before (on the 18th).
See http://www.unicttaskforce.org/seventhmeeting for the TF meeting.
News on other events around it will be available soon on
http://www.worldsummit2005.org.

Ralf



From rk_iw at gmx.de  Wed Sep 29 15:20:00 2004
From: rk_iw at gmx.de (Rainer Kuhlen)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:01 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Working Group on Finance
In-Reply-To: <20040929132845.74833.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040929132845.74833.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <415AC490.9030703@gmx.de>

A CS WSIS  list Finance <finance@wsis-cs.org> has been established (so 
far 19 members)
 if interested, go to:
http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/finance
in order to subscribe
there you also find the archive with previous articles
The list  is moderated by
Rainer Kuhlen <rainer..kuhlen@uni-konstanz.de and
Djilali Benamrane <dbenamrane@yahoo.com>

RK

Nnenna wrote:

> Dear all
>  
> Does anyone have the latest on this group?  Contacts, caucuses, dates 
> ... ?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Nnenna
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> vote.yahoo.com <http://vote.yahoo.com> - Register online to vote today! 


-- 
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Moderator of Finance <finance@wsis-cs.org> 
Chair of NETHICS e.V. (Ethics in the Net) - www.nethics.net
Department of Computer and Information Science - University of Konstanz
Box D 87
email: rainer.kuhlen@uni-konstanz.de or rk_iw@gmx.de
URL: http://www.inf-wiss.uni-konstanz.de/People/rk.html
Phone Univ.: ++49 (0)7531 - 882879; Fax: ++49 (0)7531 882048
Mobile 0049 0171 452 7010

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From marindaw at refer.sn  Wed Sep 29 14:40:36 2004
From: marindaw at refer.sn (Marie N'Daw)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:01 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] recent nominations
References: <415A7F48.6000807@wz-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <004301c4a62a$0ee2d340$fce132cf@user>

Bonjour ,
je me suis inscrite sur la liste du groupe de travail sur la gouvernance de
l' internet en tant que femme ?lue  locale ( caucus autorit? locale ).
Le caucus ne peut pas ?tre repr?sent? par une seule personne surtout  en
mati?re de parit? homme- femme .
Recevez mes salutations.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeanette Hofmann" <jeanette@wz-berlin.de>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:24 AM
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] recent nominations


> Hi, everybody,
>
> we have received quite a few new nominations before the deadline last
> night. Most of these nominations contain only names but no further
> information about the candidates. I am afraid names don't provide enough
> of a basis for evaluating these candidates.
>
> I've included in this mail again the description of the nomination
> process as proposed by Adam Peake in early Semptember. While the
> deadline for nominations has passed it is still possible to send in more
> details regarding the candidates.
>
> best regards, jeanette
>
>
>
> Please follow the format described below and send to this address:
>
> <igov@tla.crepundia.net>
>
> We will collate all nominations.
>
> Please also send to the civil society plenary list if you wish, but
> suggest you strip any personal contact information before doing so.
>
> The format below only asks for information about the caucus or working
> group submitting the nomination(s), we should also have something about
> any individual making a nomination: who you are, your relationship with
> the nominee (typical conflict of interest issues.) This will not be
> necessary for a self-nomination :-)
>
>
> Format for submitting nomination(s)
>
> In making your caucuses/working groups recommendation, we request that
> you submit the following information, which will be passed on to Mr.
> Kummer, with the names of the candidates. Individual members of the CS
> plenary may also submit nominations. Individuals should also submit
> their nominations based on the criteria explained below.
>
> - Reliable contact information for the candidate; i.e. email, telephone,
> fax and postal address.
>
> - A statement indicating the qualities that the person would bring to
> the WGIG.  While no particular content is being required, it is
> recommended that this section include a discussion of the concerns
> mentioned above and a discussion of the experience and perspective the
> candidate would bring to the WGIG discussions.
>
> - A statement of the person's governance related affiliations.  That is
> information such as: which sector does the person belong to (government,
> industry or civil society), what caucuses/working groups do they
> participate in, employer, national background, and language skills.
>
> - An indication from the candidate that they understand the work load
> they are volunteering for and that they are available during the
> expected period of deliberations.
>
> - A short statement about your caucus/working group. Include information
> about the group's background and history, membership (numbers), and
> achievements or other information you think relevant. Please give a URL
> for a website if you have one.
>
> It is recommended that these statements be no more then two pages in
> length. Candidate information will be collated and published on the
> Internet <http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/> (with candidates
> personal contact information removed.)
>
> END
> ______________
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary




From jsarr at refer.sn  Wed Sep 29 19:15:58 2004
From: jsarr at refer.sn (Joseph Sarr)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:01 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] recent nominations
In-Reply-To: <004301c4a62a$0ee2d340$fce132cf@user>
References: <415A7F48.6000807@wz-berlin.de> <004301c4a62a$0ee2d340$fce132cf@user>
Message-ID: <1096481758.415afbdeab367@www.refer.sn>

Bonjour,

Veuillez SVP inscrire Madame Marie NDAW comme deuxi?me nomin?e du caucus des
Autorit?s Locales.
Consid?rations distingu?es.

Joseph SARR
Famille des Autorit?s Locales
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n?Selon Marie N'Daw <marindaw@refer.sn>:

> Bonjour ,
> je me suis inscrite sur la liste du groupe de travail sur la gouvernance de
> l' internet en tant que femme ?lue  locale ( caucus autorit? locale ).
> Le caucus ne peut pas ?tre repr?sent? par une seule personne surtout  en
> mati?re de parit? homme- femme .
> Recevez mes salutations.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeanette Hofmann" <jeanette@wz-berlin.de>
> To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:24 AM
> Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] recent nominations
> 
> 
> > Hi, everybody,
> >
> > we have received quite a few new nominations before the deadline last
> > night. Most of these nominations contain only names but no further
> > information about the candidates. I am afraid names don't provide enough
> > of a basis for evaluating these candidates.
> >
> > I've included in this mail again the description of the nomination
> > process as proposed by Adam Peake in early Semptember. While the
> > deadline for nominations has passed it is still possible to send in more
> > details regarding the candidates.
> >
> > best regards, jeanette
> >
> >
> >
> > Please follow the format described below and send to this address:
> >
> > <igov@tla.crepundia.net>
> >
> > We will collate all nominations.
> >
> > Please also send to the civil society plenary list if you wish, but
> > suggest you strip any personal contact information before doing so.
> >
> > The format below only asks for information about the caucus or working
> > group submitting the nomination(s), we should also have something about
> > any individual making a nomination: who you are, your relationship with
> > the nominee (typical conflict of interest issues.) This will not be
> > necessary for a self-nomination :-)
> >
> >
> > Format for submitting nomination(s)
> >
> > In making your caucuses/working groups recommendation, we request that
> > you submit the following information, which will be passed on to Mr.
> > Kummer, with the names of the candidates. Individual members of the CS
> > plenary may also submit nominations. Individuals should also submit
> > their nominations based on the criteria explained below.
> >
> > - Reliable contact information for the candidate; i.e. email, telephone,
> > fax and postal address.
> >
> > - A statement indicating the qualities that the person would bring to
> > the WGIG.  While no particular content is being required, it is
> > recommended that this section include a discussion of the concerns
> > mentioned above and a discussion of the experience and perspective the
> > candidate would bring to the WGIG discussions.
> >
> > - A statement of the person's governance related affiliations.  That is
> > information such as: which sector does the person belong to (government,
> > industry or civil society), what caucuses/working groups do they
> > participate in, employer, national background, and language skills.
> >
> > - An indication from the candidate that they understand the work load
> > they are volunteering for and that they are available during the
> > expected period of deliberations.
> >
> > - A short statement about your caucus/working group. Include information
> > about the group's background and history, membership (numbers), and
> > achievements or other information you think relevant. Please give a URL
> > for a website if you have one.
> >
> > It is recommended that these statements be no more then two pages in
> > length. Candidate information will be collated and published on the
> > Internet <http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/> (with candidates
> > personal contact information removed.)
> >
> > END
> > ______________
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Plenary mailing list
> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
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From webmaster at nilebasin.com  Thu Sep 30 19:51:42 2004
From: webmaster at nilebasin.com (Nabil El-Khodari)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:01 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Statement: A different communication is possible
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 29 21:22:40 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:01 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Working Group on Finance
In-Reply-To: <20040929132845.74833.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040929202240.71127.qmail@web60704.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Nnenna
Juste deux mots pour dire que nous recherchons la
meilleure formule, vaut mieux perdre un jour ou deux
que démarrer dans la confusion
Djilali
We are trying to find the best solution ! it is better
to lose a couple of days in the beginning and start
powerfully than start in a confusion...
Soon the best solution
Djilali
--- Nnenna <nne75@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear all
>  
> Does anyone have the latest on this group? 
> Contacts, caucuses, dates ... ?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Nnenna
> 
> 		
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Tel/fax : (227) 75 35 09 BP 11207 - Niamey - Niger
Tél/Fax : (331) 01 45 39 77 02 Paris - France
Page web sur le SMSI (mecanismes de financement) : en cours de construction 
Page web sur l'Afrique et la globalisation : http://www.multimania.com/djilalibenamrane/
Groupe de discussion: http://www.egroups.com/list/afriqueglobalization


		
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 29 21:27:03 2004
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:01 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Working Group on Finance
In-Reply-To: <415AC070.72690CD@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <20040929202703.16241.qmail@web60705.mail.yahoo.com>

Ralph,
Concerning the two lists on finance-wsis, let's say
that probably a good solution will be found in a
couple of days. After that every thing will go faster
All the best
Djilali
Cher Ralph,
Concernant les deux listes sur les finances-SMSI
probablement que dans 2 ou 3 jours on trouvera la
bonne solution et les choses iront trés vite.
Djilali
--- Ralf Bendrath <bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:

> > Does anyone have the latest on this group? 
> Contacts, caucuses, dates
> There is some off-list traffic going on at the
> moment between a number
> of people on this issue. As soon as we have set up
> the basics (listserv,
> website, coordinators etc.), it will be announced
> here.
> 
> One date to remember: UN ICT Task Force meeting and
> Global Forum in
> Berlin, 19-20 November, whcih will deal with
> “Promoting Enabling
> Environment For Digital Development”. We are
> currently planning a
> one-day civil society workshop before (on the 18th).
> See http://www.unicttaskforce.org/seventhmeeting for
> the TF meeting.
> News on other events around it will be available
> soon on
> http://www.worldsummit2005.org.
> 
> Ralf
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 


=====
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Tel/fax : (227) 75 35 09 BP 11207 - Niamey - Niger
Tél/Fax : (331) 01 45 39 77 02 Paris - France
Page web sur le SMSI (mecanismes de financement) : en cours de construction 
Page web sur l'Afrique et la globalisation : http://www.multimania.com/djilalibenamrane/
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From ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es  Thu Sep 30 16:56:43 2004
From: ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es (Lady Murrugarra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:01 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] =?iso-8859-1?q?Boletin=20Electronico=20IMT=20AVH=20UPCH=20-=20N=BA=202?=
Message-ID: <20040930155643.82310.qmail@web11808.mail.yahoo.com>

Estimados Todos:
 
Los invitamos a visitar nuestro segundo boletin con muchas novedades.  Mil disculpas si les llega mas de una vez.
 
?ndice

1.      Noticias 

2.      Visitas 

3.      Proyectos 

4.      Reconocimientos 

5.      Publicaciones 

6.      Rotantes Nacionales y Extranjeros 

7.      Eventos 

http://www.upch.edu.pe/tropicales/boletines/BOLETIN2004/BOLETIN4_2.htm
 
 
Saludos
Lady Murrugarra



		
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From pimienta at funredes.org  Thu Sep 30 18:12:35 2004
From: pimienta at funredes.org (Daniel Pimienta)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:01 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cara=EFbes:_diversidad_cultural_and_?=
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040930094825.0966cec0@funredes.org>

 >>Version fran?aise plus bas.
 >>English version below.

-----------> ESPA?OL
Del 29 de agosto al 2 de septiembre se di? la reuni?n CARDICIS
(http://cardicis.org !) "Wenyon-atelier: Cara?bes, diversidad
cultural and Information Society", en St Lucia, organizada por
FUNREDES, con el apoyo de Agence Intergouvernementale de la Francophonie.

En anticipaci?n a otros productos que estaran colocados pr?ximamente
en la pagina http://cardicis.org/index2.htm?lan=es&pg=m15
nos complace compartir la declaraci?n final en
http://cardicis.org/index2.htm?lan=es&pg=m14
elaborada y firmada por http://cardicis.org/index2.htm?lan=es&pg=m5.

"El taller permiti? a l@s participantes superar los obst?culos mentales
con respecto a una integraci?n del Caribe en la perspectiva de una sociedad
de la informaci?n Caribe?a"

Sena?da Jansen, Daniel Pimienta y equipo
http://funredes.org

PD: La lista especializada y moderada <cardicis@funredes.org> enfoca
el tema de la diversidad cultural para la sociedad de la informaci?n
caribe?a: personas que puedan contribuir est?n bienvenidas para unirse
a l@s participantes.

-----------> FRAN?AIS
Du 29 ao?t au 2 septembre, la r?union CARDICIS (http://cardicis.org)
"Wenyon-atelier : Cara?bes, diversit? culturelle and Information Society"
s'est tenue ? St Lucie, organis?e par FUNREDES, avec l'appui de l'Agence
Intergouvernementale de la Francophonie.

En anticipation ? d'autres produits qui seront plac?s prochainement
? http://cardicis.org/index2.htm?lan=fr&pg=m15 nous souhaitons
partager la d?claration finale http://cardicis.org/index2.htm?lan=fr&pg=m14
?labor?e et sign?e par http://cardicis.org/index2.htm?lan=fr&pg=m5.

"L'atelier a permis aux participants de surmonter certains obstacles mentaux
pour mieux s'ouvrir ? l'id?e de l'int?gration caraib?enne, dans la perspective
d'une soci?t? de l'information carib?enne."

Daniel Pimienta, Sena?da Jansen et ?quipe
http://funredes.org

PD: La liste moder?e et sp?cialis?e <cardicis@funredes.org> traite
le th?me de la diversit? culturelle dans la soci?t? de l'information
de la Cara?be; les personnes qui peuvent contribuer sont bienvenues
pour joindre les participant(e)s.

-----------> ENGLISH
 From August 29th to September 2nd, the CARDICIS meeting
(http://cardicis.org !) "Wenyon-atelier: Cara?bes, diversidad cultural
and Information Society" was held in St lucia, organized by FUNREDES,
with the support of Agence Intergouvernementale de la Francophonie.

Prior to other products which would be placed soon in
http://cardicis.org/index2.htm?lan=en&pg=m15 we are pleased to
share the final declaration in http://cardicis.org/index2.htm?lan=en&pg=m14
elaborated and signed by http://cardicis.org/index2.htm?lan=en&pg=m5.

Sena?da Jansen, Daniel Pimienta and team
http://funredes.org

PS: The moderated and specialized dicussion list <cardicis@funredes.org>
is focusing cultural diversity in Caribbean Information Society; persons
who can contribute are welcome to join the participants.


