From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  1 10:03:46 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [Africa-CS-WSIS]WSIS, Civil Society and Multi-Stakeholderism
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050401090346.38506.qmail@web60710.mail.yahoo.com>

In my point of view, as long as the CS has not find
the way to ensure tis financial independancy, the CS
will be dependant on ether Governments, or
international inter-governmental organisations (IGO)
including the UN system, or private sector operators.
As long as we are dependant, we do have to identify 
our alliers... there is a French proverbe saying
better to deal with God better than with its
servants... it means that we have to try not to be
eaten by the private sector if we are not already
eaten. My speech will be different when the CS will
meet her financial independancy and it is suitable,
feasible and possible.
De mon point de vue, la société civile a un lourd
handicap celui d'être totalement dépendante
financièrement parlant.
Tant que durera cette dépendance autant dépendre de
dieu plutôt que de ses saints... dieu ici se sont les
Gouvernements et le diable anime les opérateurs du
secteur privé... prenons nos distances et évitons
d'être avaler par ce secteur privé devastateur.
Mon discours sera autre le jour où nous trouvons la
solution de notre autonomie financière et cela est
possible, faisable et souhaitable.
Amitiés 
Djilali

  
--- Adé <odutan1@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> Civil Society and Multi-Stakeholderism:
> Discussion emerging about opportunities and strange
> bedfellows
> 
> Ralf Bendrath of the Heinrich-Böll-Foundation has
> written this essay 
> about the internal debates within civil society
> whether it should or 
> shouldn't work more closely with the private sector
> and governments in 
> the WSIS process. While some civil society
> representatives advocate a 
> "multi-stakeholder approach" in which they find ways
> of working closely 
> with these sectors, others argue that civil society
> must remain 
> independent so it may fight against policies that
> they
> believe are not 
> in the public interest.
> 
> http://www.worldsummit2003.de/en/web/735.htm
> 
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From accuosto at chasque.net  Fri Apr  1 23:49:28 2005
From: accuosto at chasque.net (WSIS Papers)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSISPapers Newsletter No.6 - Universal Access Funds (UAFs)
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       WSIS Papers Newsletter -  March 2005 - No.6
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In this issue:     UNIVERSAL ACCESS FUNDS

Content:

- The State loses space
- Beyond the market zone: The funding of universal access
- UAFs in developing countries
- Universal access and service: background information

Available online at:
  http://wsispapers.choike.org/

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The issue of funding is at the hub of the preparations for the second phase
of the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) to take place in Tunis
in November 2005. The central elements of this debate are the definition of
the protagonists and the most appropriate solutions to attain the objectives
proclaimed in the first phase in Geneva, in the year 2003.

In the last two decades the advent of a new vision of goods and services
related to information and communication technologies reduced the State's
power as a decision maker. Over the past twenty years, the telecommunication
sector has been radically taken on a commercial rationale in which numerous
operators wage ferocious competition.

While limited, it would be false, however, to assert that the State no
longer has any space to ensure financing for universal access. New
mechanisms thus have appeared: universal service obligations included in the
concessions and licenses granted to operators, taxes on asymmetric
interconnections favoring rural operators and, particularly, universal
access funds. The latter appears to be one of the most promising of these
mechanisms.

Born in 1994 in Latin America, universal access funds have seen a phenomenal
expansion in recent years as a consequence of success. The process is
simple: the State, in collaboration with local authorities, first identifies
needs and divides them into small projects (for example, one tele-centre in
each of the ten midsized towns of the country). It then sets them "in
competition": the company that requires least subsidies gets the license to
operate.

Presently, these funds exist or are being planned in close on 60 developing
countries or countries in transition. Their objective is to enable
communication services in the hands of private companies to be established
in rural and/or isolated regions, by granting a subvention to cover the
costs and high initial investment.

Although the very recent nature of these mechanisms and the variability of
the results do not enable an in depth assessment to be made, some of their
aspects have proven to be very promising. Firstly, the innovative and
original method of allocating subsidies through setting operators in
competition, leads to considerable savings. Secondly, the broad
applicability of the model, which applies to infrastructure projects as well
as to the creation of contents. Finally, the definition of projects by a
single entity, makes it possible to have an overall coherent vision at
national level.

Based on the paper "The funding of universal access" by Jo?lle Carron

------------------------
 The State loses space
------------------------

*  The global information society: visions, people and power
University of Geneva
Cees Hamelink
This paper develops the notion of information society, and how "the current
system of global governance greatly determines on a supranational scale, the
space available for national governments to fix their national policies".
--> http://www.unige.ch/iued/wsis/DEVDOT/01927.HTM

*  Policy and Regulatory Challenges of Access and Affordability
Alison Gillwald
The author claims that throughout the developing world, monopolies have
failed to meet the mandates of universal and affordable service: while
privatisation and competition may be necessary conditions to expand access
to basic and advanced communication services, they are far from sufficient.
The ability of the market to contribute to public interest outcomes of
access, affordability, quality and choice of service is dependent on the
existence of capacities and resources to implement, monitor and enforce the
relevant policies. If these conditions do not exist, as they do not in many
developing countries, the adoption of privatisation and liberalisation
strategies could be counterproductive. PDF format.
--> http://www.lirne.net/resources/netknowledge/gillwald.pdf


* WTO trade agreements and ICTs
WSIS Papers
This report analyzes the way in which the WTO and trade agreements have
dealt with the telecommunications sector in the past two decades. The
"commodity" approach to ICTs has hindered the access to communication and
information as a fundamental human right as the private sector gains power
through liberalization. Also available in Spanish.
--> http://www.choike.org/nuevo_eng/informes/2395.html


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 Beyond the market zone: The funding of Universal Access
---------------------------------------------------------

*  The funding of universal access
Jo?lle Carrion
WSIS Papers
The reduction of the digital divide is, in itself, a global public good and
consequently, its funding must be ensured supportively by the entire
international community. The path to achieve this objective is, in
particular (but not exclusively), through an especially promising mechanism:
that of universal access funds. For the international community, this is on
the one hand to encourage States to establish such funds, and on the other,
to study the possibility of establishing a universal access fund on a world
scale. PDF format.
--> http://wsispapers.choike.org/funding_universal_access.pdf

*  A new policy framework for ICTD
APC
This draft paper by APC states that many countries have established
Universal Access Funds to channel finance for ICTs into under-served areas
but these do not always integrate with mainstream development projects: the
terms of reference of Universal Access Funds should be broadened to include
financial support not only for network extension in under-served areas but
also for capacity building, content and applications development, free and
cost-effective software, language development, mainstreaming ICTs with
development strategies. An ICTD Agency should be established to oversee,
coordinate and facilitate these tasks and administer the Universal Access
Fund. Word format.
-->
http://www.apc.org/apps/img_upload/6972616672696361646f63756d656e74/policyfr
amework_ICTDv4_1.doc

* Telecommunications and information services for the poor: towards a
strategy for universal access
World Bank
This discussion paper looks at ways of expanding access to ICTs and so
bridging the digital divide. Acknowledging the "market efficiency gap", it
advocates a greater focus on universal access programs which would have
specific pro-poor aims. PDF format.
-->
http://www-wds.worldbank.org/servlet/WDSContentServer/WDSP/IB/2002/05/03/000
094946_02041804225061/Rendered/PDF/multi0page.pdf

* Rural telecommunications development in a liberalizing environment: an
update on the Universal Access Fund
Andrew Dymonk, Sonja Oestmann
World Bank
This note provides an update on the experience gained by universal access
funds and their licensees together with the actual record of achievements in
the countries that have implemented these programs. The experience is
reviewed from two perspectives: first, whether government targets to serve
remote and low-income communities are being achieved; and second, whether
the funds have been effective in catalyzing market-oriented and commercially
sustainable service provision in the long run. PDF format.
--> http://rru.worldbank.org/PapersLinks/Open.aspx?id=1217

*  Who pays for the Information Society? Challenges and issues on financing
the Information Society
Bread for All
The first part is a critique of the debates and work on financing so far
conducted by the WSIS. The second part focuses more on proposals and aims to
give a certain number of inputs to the WSIS debate, especially on the issue
of international public financing or official development aid. PDF format.
--> http://www.ppp.ch/cms/IMG/Financing_IS.pdf

*  Task Force on Financial Mechanisms (TFFM) final report
ITU
The TFFM was established by the UN Secretary General to review financial
mechanisms for ICT for development. This is the final report, released
November 2004, in which the universal access approach is reviewed among
other mechanisms. PDF document.
--> http://www.itu.int/wsis/tffm/final-report.pdf


------------------------------
 UAFs in developing countries
------------------------------

* Universal Access Funds
Intelecon Research
This report focuses on examining the funds that are used to promote
universal access in developing countries and emerging markets. It also
provides a brief summary of some of the telecommunications funds that are
either planned or have been implemented in developing countries. PDF
document.
--> http://www.inteleconresearch.com/pdf/ua%20funds%202004%20update.pdf

*  UNECA urges Universal Telecom Fund
As access to the Internet remains limited in many rural areas in Africa, the
United Nations Economic Commission for Africa (UNECA), through its African
Information Society Initiative (AISI), is looking at ways to expand online
usage, especially in remote areas of the continent. In trying to balance
rural and urban access to the Internet, UNECA is suggesting the Universal
Access Fund approach, where the telecommunications operators and ISPs
(Internet service providers) contribute money in a common fund that is then
utilized to provide basic telephone and Internet access in rural areas.
--> http://www.choike.org/nuevo_eng/informes/2352.html

* Universal Access Funds in Latin America and the Caribbean
ECLAC
This document by the Economic Commision for Latin America and the Caribbean
(ECLAC) states that given the budget constraints faced by the Governments of
Latin America and the Caribbean, policies to provide phone lines, computers
or Internet access to all homes in the region, which would constitute a
genuine "universal service", are unrealistic. The most frequent practice
would be to pursue "universal access", by assuring the population's right to
obtain ICT services at accessible prices and at a "reasonable" distance from
their place of residence or by extending telephone lines to isolated rural
areas and providing free Internet access to low-income sectors through
community telecentres. This annex, part of a larger report, describes the
funding sources and uses made of universal access funds in seven countries
of Latin America and the Caribbean. PDF format.
--> http://www.choike.org/documentos/cepal_fondos.pdf

* Peru Telecoms Investment Fund
Global Knowledge Partnership
Traditional approaches to telecoms provision in Peru, first a government
monopoly, then since 1998, a liberalized competitive market, have made
little progress in providing telephony access to Peru's highly dispersed
rural areas. The implementation of the universal access fund approach
obtained considerable success.
-->
http://www.globalknowledge.org/gkps_portal/thematic.cfm?&menuid=229&thematic
id=32&action=ThResView&ResId=852&type=37

*  Negotiating the net: The Ghana case
Center for International Development and Conflict Management, University of
Maryland
William Foster and Eric M.K Osiakwan
This article analyzes the evolution of telecom access in Ghana after its
liberalization of the sector and the adoption of the Accelerated Development
Program (ADP), which included the setting of a Universal Access Fund called
the Ghana Investment Fund for Telecoms (GIFTEL), originally aimed at
building rural infrastructure. Word document.
--> http://www.cidcm.umd.edu/ntn/ghana/Ghana12%5B1%5D%5B1%5D.31.03.DOC

*  Uganda: a success story?
PANOS
Uganda's ICT infrastructure strategies (with "fully liberated markets")
include network rollout obligations in operator licenses. Uganda is one of
the first countries in Africa to implement a universal access fund -the
Rural Communications Development Fund (RCDF)- operating on principles
emerging internationally as best practice for allocating 'smart subsidies'
to private companies. PDF format.
--> http://www.panos.org.uk/files/Uganda.pdf

*  Designing effective and efficient funding mechanisms for rural
connectivity in Sri Lanka
Social Science Research Council (SSRC)
Rohan Samarajiva
This document analizes the experience and difficulties encountered in Sri
Lanka with the implementation of a "universal access fund" by the government
aiming to improve rural connectivity. Similar experiences occured in Chile.
PDF format.
-->
http://www.ssrc.org/programs/itic/publications/ITST_materials/samarajivabrie
f2.pdf

*  Closing the gap in access to rural communications: Chile 1995-2002
World Bank
Bj?rn Wellenius
Bj?rn Wellenius
During the 1990's Chile experienced a rapid growth in telecommunications
services resulting in new services that extended countrywide, technological
innovation, and prices among the world's lowest. Most rural inhabitants and
some urban dwellers, however, continued to lack access to even a payphone.
In 1994, the government established a telecommunications fund to mobilize
additional private investment to narrow this gap. This study reviews and
documents the cost effective approach developed in Chile that has become the
international best practice for improving basic access to telecommunication.
PDF format.
--> http://rru.worldbank.org/Documents/PapersLinks/1222.pdf

* The internet in the Andes: Bolivia case study
Sonia Jorge, Michael Minges, Ben Petrazzini
ITU
This paper analyzes the situation of access to ICTs in Bolivia as well as a
review of the implementation of universal access policies in the country.
PDF document.
--> http://www.itu.int/osg/spu/wtpf/wtpf2001/casestudies/bolivia.pdf


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 Universal access and service: background information
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* Universal access and service
Columbia Business School
This collection of papers and reports analyze "universal access", as the
right of any person or organization to sipply programs and content services
at non-discriminatory terms and "universal service", as the technical
connection of every residence, institution, and business establishment at
minimal or fair cost.
--> http://www.vii.org/afuniv.htm

* Rural development and Universal Access
International Telecommunications Union (ITU)
The Telecommunication Development Sector of the ITU has a policy mandate on
Rural Development and Universal Access (set at the World Telecommunication
Conference in Malta, 1998).
--> http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/univ_access/

* Universal service: International experience
Link Centre, University of the Witwatersrand
This document is part of a series of Conference Papers on ICTs in 2000.
Participants expressed their views and analized national experiences of
"universal access" policies. PDF document.
--> http://link.wits.ac.za/research/ICT_2000_Session1.pdf

* What do we mean by "Universal Access?"
Internet Society
This paper outlines some of the key policy concerns around access to the
information infrastructure. In particular, it examines issues of access from
social as well as technical perspectives.
--> http://www.isoc.org/inet96/proceedings/f2/f2_1.htm

* Universal Access Project
University of Toronto
The Universal Access Project grew out of the Information Infrastructure
(DIPCII) project in 1996, at the University of Toronto with the purpose of
conducting in-depth research on the topic of universal access to networked
services in Canada. Although the project focused on the circumstances that
define and impact the Canadian situation, the papers and articles that can
be found here (such as "What do we mean by 'Universal Access'?: social
perspectives in a Canadian context", by Andrew Clement and Leslie Regan
Shade) also provide a valuable insight into the general notion of "universal
access" and international information infrastructure projects.
--> http://www.fis.utoronto.ca/research/iprp/ua/

* Access in Africa
APC Africa Monitor
APC Africa Monitor Although the use of ICTs has grown rapidly from a low
base in developing countries (particularly in Africa), this progress is not
keeping up with advances in the more developed world. And by their very
nature, the governments of low-income countries find it hard to prioritise
spending on ICTs access over more pressing demands like health care. This
page collects news, information, resources, events, and the names of
organisations working in access.
--> http://africa.rights.apc.org/index.shtml?apc=21860se_1


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 Related Choike's in-depth reports
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* World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS)
-->  http://www.choike.org/nuevo_eng/informes/703.html

* World Trade Organization Organization (WTO)
-->  http://www.choike.org/nuevo_eng/informes/385.html

* GATS - Trade in Services
--> http://www.choike.org/nuevo_eng/informes/1169.html

----------------------------------------------------------
- "WSIS Papers" and "Choike" are projects of the
Instituto del Tercer Mundo (ITeM) -  Third World Institute

- "WSIS Papers" is supported by the
International Development Research Centre (IDRC) / PanAmericas
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From claudia.padovani at unipd.it  Sat Apr  2 06:57:27 2005
From: claudia.padovani at unipd.it (Claudia Padovani)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: R: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the Multi-Stakeholderism
In-Reply-To: <424A2335.3030501@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <20050402055739.2CEC114B5CB@mail.gn.apc.org>

Ciao to all and apologies for not having been active on the list after
prepcomII (just struggling with professional commitments). I would like to
thank Ralf for his contribution on multi-stakeholderism which is a very
useful update on discussions that are developing within the CS sector, while
introducing some issues that deserve being further reflected upon. I have a
few comments and a couple of suggestions.

 

Research we conducted after Geneva on documents has shown that even within
civil society org there are quite different understanding of processes,
actors and respective involvement (Continuum, vol 18 n. 3). This is normal
and diversity can be constructive, but it is also important to be kept in
mind: for some governance is mainly a national matter, for others
governments still have to play a central role; the multi-level dimension is
clearly crucial to local authorities; governments are interested in
procedural aspects while the CS alternative declaration clearly focused in
the "quality" of multi-actor involvement. 

 

In this sense I support Wolfgang and Rikke's comments and would suggest
that, alongside with a CS effort to develop own stocktaking exercise
according to its own standards, we could also develop a reflection on
standards about multi-stakeholder processes. A good starting point in this
sense is offered by Hemmati's and others' work within the earthsummit
process. On http://www.earthsummit2002.org/msp you find a synthesis of such
efforts in terms of MSP goals, terminology, different types of MSPs and
values base (among which effectiveness, equity and transparency.

Maybe a discussion within this group (or the working method WG) could start
by identifying key words concerning civil society involvement in processes
and clarify them, in order to have a shared understanding that would allow
us to be more effective in our future actions; to then develop a framework
that would reflect our interest in being involved while indicating concrete
proposals.

 

I also suggest that since some of us have been reflecting and writing about
these aspects, it would be good to have a space, maybe on the
worldsummit.2005 site, where these contributions could be made available to
all and the public, together with reports from different events that have
been organized and reference to initiatives that are being developed around
the multi-stakeholder issue. This would contribute in reducing the existing
fragmentation while fostering the discussion in order to be able to develop
concrete proposals for the follow ups to WSIS.

 

I would be interested in this and willing to cooperate. Best wishes

claudia

 

 

 

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] Per conto
di Ralf Bendrath
Inviato: mercoled? 30 marzo 2005 5.56
A: wsis-cs-plenary
Oggetto: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the Multi-Stakeholderism

 

Hi all,

 

following up on the recent discussions about our take on 

multi-stakeholderism (ranging from the CS press release, the CS-PS 

statement, and the stocktaking database to the Global Alliance 

discussions), I have just published a lenghty piece on 

multi-stakeholderism in the WSIS context at www.worldsummit2005.org.

 

I have tried to give a rough summary of the points raised and also relate 

it to larger developments and possible roads ahead.

 

Have fun!

 

Best, Ralf

 

 

Civil Society and the Multi-Stakeholderism

Discussion emerging about opportunities and strange bedfellows

 

29 March 2005. Civil Society involved in WSIS has finally started to 

discuss the strategic and political implications of multi-stakeholder 

processes like the World Summit on the Information Society. Besides the 

usual ?we have to be involved if we have the chance?, there is a lot of 

scepticism, but not yet a full understanding of how to use these new 

structures in global governance. More...

 

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From karenb at gn.apc.org  Sat Apr  2 11:43:47 2005
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] APCNews on WSIS
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050402114341.04997200@pop.gn.apc.org>

Dear all,

This month's (march) APCNEWS focuses on WSIS. The spanish version will be 
posted within a couple of days.

thanks to all who shared resources, comments etc

karen

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                     SPECIAL EDITION
     WORLD SUMMIT ON THE INFORMATION SOCIETY PREPCOM 2
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            *APCNews, the monthly newsletter of the
       Association for Progressive Communications (APC)*
                 - March 2005 No. 51 -
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--THE ISSUES: INTERNET GOVERNANCE & FINANCING ICT FOR DEVELOPMENT--
--PREPCOM 2 FROM DIFFERENT GEOGRAPHICAL PERSPECTIVES--
--HUMAN RIGHTS & WSIS--
--MULTISTAKEHOLDER PARTNERSHIPS--
--THE PEOPLE AT THE PREPCOM --
--RECOMMENDED READING?-
--WANT TO FIND OUT MORE? WSIS-RELATED WEBSITES--
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-- WSIS UPDATE II: World Summit on the Information Society ? PrepCom 2 --

The World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) is a United Nations 
conference with the objective of developing a global framework to deal with 
challenges posed by new information and communication technologies (ICTs). 
The WSIS is a two phase process: the first one took place in Geneva in 
December 2003 and the second will take place in Tunisia in November 2005.

 From 17 to 25 February 2005, the WSIS second preparatory committee for the 
second phase, known as PrepCom 2, took place in Geneva. Last month, APCNews 
brought you resources and information on the issues to be covered in the 
PrepCom, now we bring you news, reports and interviews from the PrepCom 
attendees. http://www.apc.org/english/wsis/

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--THE ISSUES: INTERNET GOVERNANCE & FINANCING ICT FOR DEVELOPMENT--

During the first phase of the summit in Geneva, governments were unable to 
agree on the language included in the official documents on two issues ? 
internet governance (who controls) ? and financing mechanisms (who pays), 
including the creation of a Digital Solidarity Fund for Africa. Since then 
two working groups have been mandated to discuss various options and bring 
recommendations back to stakeholders for further deliberation. PrepCom 2 
was dominated by the presentation of the report of the financing working 
group and the consequent debate.  The internet governance working group 
will present its final report at PrepCom 3 in September.


--FINANCING ICT FOR DEVELOPMENT--

APC REPORT: Finance of information and communication technologies for 
development (ICTD) at Prepcom 2

?Internet Governance is Important
it would have been more so, if people HAD 
the Internet
LET?S TALK FINANCING FIRST!? proclaimed a t-shirt worn at 
PrepCom 2. Who will finance info technology for development is an intensely 
ideological issue. WSIS 1 established a Task Force on Financial Mechanisms 
to break the deadlock amongst governments and to make recommendations for 
WSIS 2 to adopt. Those recommendations were presented and debated at 
PrepCom 2. This report from APC looks at the issues on (and off) the table.
http://www.apc.org/english/news/index.shtml?x=31483


OPINION: The Digital Solidarity Fund and The Economist

APC?s policy manager, Willie Currie, responds to an editorial on the 
digital divide from The Economist magazine in which it derided the Digital 
Solidarity Fund which had been welcomed by governments at the WSIS Prepcom 2.
http://www.apc.org/english/news/index.shtml?x=31481

--INTERNET GOVERNANCE--

APC REPORT: The internet governance debate is one where civil society 
advocates can make a real difference

Internet governance brings together two largely impenetrable realms for the 
average WSIS delegate: the nuts and bolts of the internet - what it is, how 
it works- and who manages those nuts and bolts. It is too early to predict 
what the final impact of the Working Group on Internet Governance (WGIG) 
will be. But there is no doubt that it has created a much-needed space. ?At 
a time of global malaise, indifference and lack of faith and legitimacy in 
many of our global and national governance institutions, the internet 
governance debate is one where civil society advocates can make a real 
difference,? concludes APC in this new report which covers the main 
developments in the internet governance debate.
http://www.apc.org/english/news/index.shtml?x=31485 (without footnotes)
http://rights.apc.org/documents/internet_gov_0305_EN.pdf (with footnotes)


INTERVIEW: Markus Kummer, coordinator of the internet governance working 
group ? Diplomacy at the cutting edge

As executive coordinator of the Secretariat of the Working Group on 
Internet Governance (WGIG), Markus Kummer prepares sessions, facilitates 
their work and writes up their reports after meetings. But, as he explains 
to Maud Hand in a quiet moment prior to PrepCom 2, Phase 2, unlike the 
classical secretariat tasks of any international working group, the 
multi-stakeholder make up of WGIG makes for a very different job.
http://www.apc.org/english/news/index.shtml?x=31487


--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---

--PREPCOM 2 FROM DIFFERENT GEOGRAPHICAL PERSPECTIVES--

WSIS PrepCom 2: A South Asian perspective

A divergent discourse between what governments say in Switzerland and what 
they say at home, the almost complete lack of interaction between 
government and civil society representatives and an absence of civil 
society voices from the non-technical sector, characterised the South Asian 
presence in Geneva conclude Bangalore activists, IT for Change.
http://www.apc.org/english/news/index.shtml?x=31489


WSIS PrepCom 2: A Latin American civil society perspective

Olinca Marino from LaNeta, APC member in Mexico, has been following the 
WSIS process since its beginning. In this report she comments on the united 
front shown by Latin American governments at PrepCom 2 but notes that the 
front begins to fall apart significantly in two areas that civil society 
activists care passionately about ? free software and community radio.
http://www.apc.org/english/news/index.shtml?x=31491


WSIS PrepCom 2: A Bulgarian civil society perspective

Milena Bokova, executive director of the BlueLink Information Network, a 
digital network supporting environmentalists and civil society in Bulgaria, 
had the opportunity to participate in PrepCom 2. She shares some 
reflections with APCNews as an East European civil society activist and a 
new participant in the WSIS process.
http://www.apc.org/english/news/index.shtml?x=31493


--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---

--HUMAN RIGHTS & WSIS--

IL FAIT BON VIVRE EN TUNISIE? The state of human rights in Tunisia, host of 
the next World Summit on the Information Society

Attendees at the recent phase of WSIS couldn?t fail to notice the prolific 
presence of Tunisian delegates. From civil society plenaries through 
gatherings over coffee to the government sessions, they had their say in 
preparation for the November summit. But can a country whose government 
censors journalists, curtails web access and imprisons internet users 
without trial, be a fit host for the UN?s World Summit on the Information 
Society? Maud Hand seeks answers to one of the hottest questions of Prepcom 
2 for APCNews.
http://www.apc.org/english/news/index.shtml?x=31495


--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---

--MULTISTAKEHOLDER PARTNERSHIPS?-

The WSIS is unique in UN processes because it is a ?multi-stakeholder 
process? - including the voices of governments, the private sector and 
civil society in the deliberations.

Multi-stakeholder participation and ICT policy processes

The complexity of the WSIS process has been discussed extensively. But APC 
executive director Anriette Esterhuysen questions whether the WSIS is 
*uniquely* complex. In this article for APCNews she explores 
multistakeholder participation in policy processes, particularly at 
national level, and examines consensus and conflict in the WSIS civil 
society space and why the issue of collaboration with the private sector 
has become so contentious.
http://www.apc.org/english/news/index.shtml?x=31497


Resources on multi-stakeholder participation in UN processes

As part of our involvement in the WSIS, and our policy advocacy capacity 
building work at national and regional levels, APC has started to gather a 
list of resources on the topic. We want to thank members of the WSIS CS 
Plenary online space for their contributions.  The list is a work in 
progress; do not expect it to be comprehensive.  Please send additions to 
networking at apc.org.
http://www.apc.org/english/news/index.shtml?x=31498


--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---

--THE PEOPLE AT THE PREPCOM --

ICTs for Grassroots: Women from South Asia

Like bright flowers in a grey space, the grassroots women of India livened 
up February?s Prepcom proceedings and it wasn?t just their stylish saris 
that did the trick. Undaunted by the suits and officialdom of Geneva?s UN 
machinery, these Indian representatives vigorously demonstrated the value 
of ICTs in their working lives and made a cogent case for finances to build 
more equitable ICT infrastructures in developing countries like India. Over 
chappatis and chi, they shared their stories with Maud Hand for APCNews.
http://www.apc.org/english/news/index.shtml?x=31500


Interview with Ayesha Hassan, leader of the business sector at WSIS

When Ayesha Hassan contributed to the Open Consultations on Internet 
Governance in the run up to WSIS, it was clear that the business sector?s 
concerns were in competent hands. This stylishly suited lawyer, a Senior 
Policy Manager on ICT for the International Chamber of Commerce, leads the 
CCBI -  the Co-ordinating Committee of Business Interlocutors at the 
conference. Maud Hand hears how this business interlocutor stays in command 
of her committee during PrepCom 2.
http://www.apc.org/english/news/index.shtml?x=31501


WSIS - Snapshots from PrepCom 2

Maud Hand talked to more than 20 representatives from civil society, 
government, the business sector to bring you this snapshot of views and 
opinions from the people on the ground in Geneva at Prepcom 2 in February 2005.
http://www.apc.org/english/wsis/prepcom2/


--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---

--RECOMMENDED READING?-

THEMATIC REPORTS: Reports on PrepCom 2 that we particularly recommend 
include the excellent series from Sally Burch of ALAI, Ecuador and Nestor 
Busso of ALER, Argentina supported by grants from the CRIS Campaign and EED 
and collected on the CRIS website.

Sally Burch?s reports:

Civil society reorganizing around content
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/733 [English]
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/736  [Spanish]
Cultural diversity and education
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/7337  [English]
Financial mechanisms - no commitments
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/743 [English]
Internet governance - issues of democracy and human rights
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/748  [English]
ICTs: Funding, development and democracy
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/752  [English]
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/751  [Spanish]

Nestor Busso?s reports:

Comienza el esperado evento
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/729  [Spanish]
Mecanismos de financiamiento
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/730  [Spanish]
The game is open
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/740 [English]
Un lugar para los latinoamericanos
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/734  [Spanish]
Mirada desde Am?rica Latina
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/738  [Spanish]
Solidaridad digital y radios comunitarias
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/739  [Spanish]
Defensa firme del software libre
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/745  [Portuguese]
Un show aparte: De eso no se habla. Esa palabra es fea, fea
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/746 [Spanish]


OVERVIEW: An overview of PrepCom 2 from Marc Raboy of McGill University, Canada

The second preparatory meeting of the second phase of the World Summit on 
the Information Society closed on Friday night with a few cautious steps 
forward on intergovernmental projects, a great deal of on-site work by 
civil society, and above all a foretaste of what should be an important and 
heated debate on Internet governance.
http://www.globalcn.org/en/article.ntd?id=2257&sort=1 [English]
http://www.globalcn.org/en/article.ntd?id=2239&sort=1 [French]


WEBSITE: Worldsummit2005.org

Worldsummit2003.org offers background information and latest news on the 
WSIS process and on the issues and debates around the summit. It was set up 
by the Heinrich Boell Foundation in February 2003 and is part of the 
efforts of the Foundation to spread knowledge and information about the 
summit, both in Germany and internationally. The site editors are members 
of the German WSIS Civil Society Coordinating Group and are also active in 
the international civil society activities on WSIS. All articles by Ralf 
Bendrath unless otherwise noted.

Vision lost or Back to Reality? PrepCom2 ends with long "to do" list
http://www.worldsummit2003.de/en/web/732.htm

PrepCom debate on Internet Governance and WGIG preliminary report
http://www.worldsummit2003.de/en/web/730.htm

Quo Vadis: Where do we go from Geneva?, by 'Gbenga Sesan
http://www.worldsummit2003.de/en/web/731.htm

Finance negotiations slow down, but agreement on Digital Solidarity Fund
http://www.worldsummit2003.de/en/web/728.htm

Conference on Freedom of Expression and the Information Society
http://www.worldsummit2003.de/en/web/729.htm

Follow-Up to the UN ICT Task Force discussed
http://www.worldsummit2003.de/en/web/726.htm

PrepCom debate on finance: Night session in Geneva
http://www.worldsummit2003.de/en/web/725.htm

Civil Society event on Financing the Information Society
http://www.worldsummit2003.de/en/web/723.htm

Prepcom 2: Week I Wrap Up, by Rik Panganiban
http://www.worldsummit2003.de/en/web/722.htm

PrepCom2: Debate on financial mechanisms. Strong criticism by Southern 
governments
http://www.worldsummit2003.de/en/web/719.htm

Financing Debate Heats Up. Task Force Report critizised, but consensus 
emerging?
http://www.worldsummit2003.de/en/web/719.htm

What's next after Tunis phase?, by Johannes Schunter
http://www.worldsummit2003.de/en/web/717.htm

WGIG is finalizing stakeholder input for the upcoming closed debate
http://www.worldsummit2003.de/en/web/716.htm

Post-WSIS follow up process?, by Rik Panganiban
http://www.worldsummit2003.de/en/web/715.htm

What is "Internet Governance? Open consultations dominated by definition 
controversy
http://www.worldsummit2003.de/en/web/714.htm

Pre-Prepcom Ramblings and Rumblings, by Rik Panganiban
http://www.worldsummit2003.de/en/web/712.htm


BLOGS: News from WSIS Bloggers

Aggregated WSIS Blog: http://www.edwebproject.org/wsisblogs/

Individual WSIS blogs:

Rik Panganiban  (English)
http://rikomatic.objectis.net/news

Robert Guerra (with mp3s from several civil society meetings)
http://www.privaterra.org/activities/wsis/blog/

Vittorio Bertola (week one ? special focus on the Working Group on Internet 
Governance)
http://hackun.bertola.eu.org/

Markus Beckedahl (week one)
http://www.netzpolitik.org/ [German]

Bruno Oudet
http://reso.blogs.com/smsi/ [French]

Andy Carvin (week two, also podcasting)
http://www.andycarvin.com/

Terri Willard (only known female blogger)
http://taikod.tigblog.org/
WSIS feature at http://www.iisd.org/pdf/2005/commentary_general_2.pdf


--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---

--WANT TO FIND OUT MORE? WSIS-RELATED WEBSITES--

The ITU WSIS website has an extensive section on WSIS related websites 
(government, civil society, private sector and other) here 
http://www.itu.int/wsis/sites/index.html (summary) and here 
http://www.itu.int/wsis/sites/other.html (full list).

Sites of particular note in terms of civil society analysis, perspective 
and diversity of languages include:

- Choike - Portal on Southern Civil Societies ? http://www.choike.org
- Heinrich Boell?s Worldsummit2003 and worldsummit2005 - 
http://www.worldsummit2005.org/
- Platform for Community Networks: various WSIS-related websites ? 
http://www.globalcn.org
- World Forum on Communication Rights: initiated by the Communication 
Rights in the Information Society campaign (CRIS) ? http://www.crisinfo.org
- WSIS in Latin America and the Caribbean from APC?s LAC ICT Policy Monitor 
http://lac.derechos.apc.org/wsis
- WSIS and Africa from APC?s Africa ICT Policy Monitor: 
http://africa.rights.apc.org/?apc=he_1&w=s&t=29740

Websites which provide useful practical information on WSIS (including but 
not prioritizing analysis) include:

- Civil society Meeting point http://www.wsis-cs.org
- NGLS - UN Non-governmental Liaison Service: Special WSIS page ? 
http://www.un-ngls.org/wsis.htm
- wsis-online: consultation process allowing all stakeholders to identify 
issues of common concern or interest -  http://www.wsis-online.net/


--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
APCNews, in English, and APCNoticias, in Spanish, are distributed monthly 
by APC ? a worldwide network supporting the use of internet and ICTs for 
social justice and sustainable development since 1990.
APCNews Archive: http://www.apc.org/english/news/apcnews/

Some rights reserved: Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial Licence 
2.0 2005 Association for Progressive Communications (APC)
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.0/


From karenb at gn.apc.org  Sat Apr  2 12:00:01 2005
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS news Africa and LAC
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050402115624.039c4eb0@pop.gn.apc.org>

dear all,

APC also produces 2 regional newsletters ('Chakula'- Africa and Latin 
America and the Carribean). The last issues of both also featured WSIS.

rgds
karen
-----

CHAKULA ISSUE NO. 12, March 2005: ?Review of Recent ICT Policy Issues and WSIS?
http://africa.rights.apc.org/en-chakula.shtml?x=31423

---

Marzo 2005, N?14 - Cumbre Mundial sobre Sociedad de la Informaci?n - 
PrepCom 2 - Fase T?nez
http://lac.derechos.apc.org/boletin.shtml




From ecarll at optonline.net  Sat Apr  2 15:29:14 2005
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the Multi-Stakeholderism
In-Reply-To: <20050402055739.2CEC114B5CB@mail.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCOEKDIOAA.ecarll@optonline.net>

Claudia,

An excellent suggestion to begin to reflect on identifying key words.  A
shared understanding of concepts and constructs, will help build a shared
vision for civil society.

Best regards,

Elizabeth

Dr. Elizabeth Carll
Focal Point to WSIS
International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
Chair, Media/ICT Working Group,
UN NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York;

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On Behalf
Of Claudia Padovani
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 12:57 AM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: R: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the Multi-Stakeholderism


Ciao to all and apologies for not having been active on the list after
prepcomII (just struggling with professional commitments). I would like to
thank Ralf for his contribution on multi-stakeholderism which is a very
useful update on discussions that are developing within the CS sector, while
introducing some issues that deserve being further reflected upon. I have a
few comments and a couple of suggestions.

Research we conducted after Geneva on documents has shown that even within
civil society org there are quite different understanding of processes,
actors and respective involvement (Continuum, vol 18 n. 3). This is normal
and diversity can be constructive, but it is also important to be kept in
mind: for some governance is mainly a national matter, for others
governments still have to play a central role; the multi-level dimension is
clearly crucial to local authorities; governments are interested in
procedural aspects while the CS alternative declaration clearly focused in
the "quality" of multi-actor involvement.

In this sense I support Wolfgang and Rikke's comments and would suggest
that, alongside with a CS effort to develop own stocktaking exercise
according to its own standards, we could also develop a reflection on
standards about multi-stakeholder processes. A good starting point in this
sense is offered by Hemmati's and others' work within the earthsummit
process. On http://www.earthsummit2002.org/msp you find a synthesis of such
efforts in terms of MSP goals, terminology, different types of MSPs and
values base (among which effectiveness, equity and transparency.
Maybe a discussion within this group (or the working method WG) could start
by identifying key words concerning civil society involvement in processes
and clarify them, in order to have a shared understanding that would allow
us to be more effective in our future actions; to then develop a framework
that would reflect our interest in being involved while indicating concrete
proposals.

I also suggest that since some of us have been reflecting and writing about
these aspects, it would be good to have a space, maybe on the
worldsummit.2005 site, where these contributions could be made available to
all and the public, together with reports from different events that have
been organized and reference to initiatives that are being developed around
the multi-stakeholder issue. This would contribute in reducing the existing
fragmentation while fostering the discussion in order to be able to develop
concrete proposals for the follow ups to WSIS.

I would be interested in this and willing to cooperate. Best wishes
claudia



-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] Per conto
di Ralf Bendrath
Inviato: mercoled? 30 marzo 2005 5.56
A: wsis-cs-plenary
Oggetto: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the Multi-Stakeholderism

Hi all,

following up on the recent discussions about our take on
multi-stakeholderism (ranging from the CS press release, the CS-PS
statement, and the stocktaking database to the Global Alliance
discussions), I have just published a lenghty piece on
multi-stakeholderism in the WSIS context at www.worldsummit2005.org.

I have tried to give a rough summary of the points raised and also relate
it to larger developments and possible roads ahead.

Have fun!

Best, Ralf


Civil Society and the Multi-Stakeholderism
Discussion emerging about opportunities and strange bedfellows

29 March 2005. Civil Society involved in WSIS has finally started to
discuss the strategic and political implications of multi-stakeholder
processes like the World Summit on the Information Society. Besides the
usual ?we have to be involved if we have the chance?, there is a lot of
scepticism, but not yet a full understanding of how to use these new
structures in global governance. More...

http://www.worldsummit2005.org/
_______________________________________________
Plenary mailing list
Plenary@wsis-cs.org
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary



From ecarll at optonline.net  Sat Apr  2 15:34:57 2005
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: FW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the Multi-Stakeholderism
Message-ID: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCCEKEIOAA.ecarll@optonline.net>

Claudia,

An excellent suggestion to begin to reflect on identifying key words.  A
shared understanding of concepts and constructs, will help build a shared
vision for civil society.

Best regards,

Elizabeth

Dr. Elizabeth Carll
Focal Point to WSIS
International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
Chair, Media/ICT Working Group,
UN NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York;

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On Behalf
Of Claudia Padovani
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 12:57 AM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: R: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the Multi-Stakeholderism


Ciao to all and apologies for not having been active on the list after
prepcomII (just struggling with professional commitments). I would like to
thank Ralf for his contribution on multi-stakeholderism which is a very
useful update on discussions that are developing within the CS sector, while
introducing some issues that deserve being further reflected upon. I have a
few comments and a couple of suggestions.

Research we conducted after Geneva on documents has shown that even within
civil society org there are quite different understanding of processes,
actors and respective involvement (Continuum, vol 18 n. 3). This is normal
and diversity can be constructive, but it is also important to be kept in
mind: for some governance is mainly a national matter, for others
governments still have to play a central role; the multi-level dimension is
clearly crucial to local authorities; governments are interested in
procedural aspects while the CS alternative declaration clearly focused in
the "quality" of multi-actor involvement.

In this sense I support Wolfgang and Rikke's comments and would suggest
that, alongside with a CS effort to develop own stocktaking exercise
according to its own standards, we could also develop a reflection on
standards about multi-stakeholder processes. A good starting point in this
sense is offered by Hemmati's and others' work within the earthsummit
process. On http://www.earthsummit2002.org/msp you find a synthesis of such
efforts in terms of MSP goals, terminology, different types of MSPs and
values base (among which effectiveness, equity and transparency.
Maybe a discussion within this group (or the working method WG) could start
by identifying key words concerning civil society involvement in processes
and clarify them, in order to have a shared understanding that would allow
us to be more effective in our future actions; to then develop a framework
that would reflect our interest in being involved while indicating concrete
proposals.

I also suggest that since some of us have been reflecting and writing about
these aspects, it would be good to have a space, maybe on the
worldsummit.2005 site, where these contributions could be made available to
all and the public, together with reports from different events that have
been organized and reference to initiatives that are being developed around
the multi-stakeholder issue. This would contribute in reducing the existing
fragmentation while fostering the discussion in order to be able to develop
concrete proposals for the follow ups to WSIS.

I would be interested in this and willing to cooperate. Best wishes
claudia



-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] Per conto
di Ralf Bendrath
Inviato: mercoled? 30 marzo 2005 5.56
A: wsis-cs-plenary
Oggetto: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the Multi-Stakeholderism

Hi all,

following up on the recent discussions about our take on
multi-stakeholderism (ranging from the CS press release, the CS-PS
statement, and the stocktaking database to the Global Alliance
discussions), I have just published a lenghty piece on
multi-stakeholderism in the WSIS context at www.worldsummit2005.org.

I have tried to give a rough summary of the points raised and also relate
it to larger developments and possible roads ahead.

Have fun!

Best, Ralf


Civil Society and the Multi-Stakeholderism
Discussion emerging about opportunities and strange bedfellows

29 March 2005. Civil Society involved in WSIS has finally started to
discuss the strategic and political implications of multi-stakeholder
processes like the World Summit on the Information Society. Besides the
usual ?we have to be involved if we have the chance?, there is a lot of
scepticism, but not yet a full understanding of how to use these new
structures in global governance. More...

http://www.worldsummit2005.org/
_______________________________________________
Plenary mailing list
Plenary@wsis-cs.org
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary



From bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de  Sat Apr  2 15:55:04 2005
From: bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: R: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the Multi-Stakeholderism
In-Reply-To: <20050402055739.2CEC114B5CB@mail.gn.apc.org>
References: <20050402055739.2CEC114B5CB@mail.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <424EB248.5070604@zedat.fu-berlin.de>

Claudia Padovani schrieb:

> I also suggest that since some of us have been reflecting and writing 
> about these aspects, it would be good to have a space, maybe on the 
> worldsummit.2005 site, where these contributions could be made available 
Good idea Claudia!

I am more than willing to collect these contributions.
So: Please, everybody, email me all links, research papers, articles etc 
you have on multi-stakholder partnerships and WSIS (or in general on MSPs 
in the UN context). I can upload everything in a week from now, right now 
I am busy with other stuff.

Ralf

From karenb at gn.apc.org  Sat Apr  2 15:58:24 2005
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: R: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the
  Multi-Stakeholderism
In-Reply-To: <424EB248.5070604@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
References: <20050402055739.2CEC114B5CB@mail.gn.apc.org>
 <424EB248.5070604@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050402155730.03e41140@pop.gn.apc.org>

hi ralf

>I am more than willing to collect these contributions.
>So: Please, everybody, email me all links, research papers, articles etc 
>you have on multi-stakholder partnerships and WSIS (or in general on MSPs 
>in the UN context). I can upload everything in a week from now, right now 
>I am busy with other stuff.

please see from that last APCNEWS posting:

Resources on multi-stakeholder participation in UN processes

As part of our involvement in the WSIS, and our policy advocacy capacity 
building work at national and regional levels, APC has started to gather a 
list of resources on the topic. We want to thank members of the WSIS CS 
Plenary online space for their contributions.  The list is a work in 
progress; do not expect it to be comprehensive.  Please send additions to 
networking at apc.org.
http://www.apc.org/english/news/index.shtml?x=31498

karen



From mclauglm at po.muohio.edu  Sat Apr  2 16:30:11 2005
From: mclauglm at po.muohio.edu (mclauglm@po.muohio.edu)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: R: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the  
 Multi-Stakeholderism
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050402155730.03e41140@pop.gn.apc.org>
References: <20050402055739.2CEC114B5CB@mail.gn.apc.org>
 <424EB248.5070604@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
 <6.2.0.14.0.20050402155730.03e41140@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <p06010200be74699ab9e0@[192.168.1.100]>

Hi to all,

Just a thought: it might be a good idea to have these contributions 
available through numerous sites/urls. If redundancy occurs, it may 
be worth it in respect to the possibility of informing as many CS 
actors as possible--persons/organizations that may "wander" into the 
APC site or the HBF site or perhaps another one without being aware 
of the many entities attached to CS for purposes of the WSIS. I am 
willing to make my list of resources available to any organization 
that wishes to have access to it.

Best,

Lisa


>hi ralf
>
>>I am more than willing to collect these contributions.
>>So: Please, everybody, email me all links, research papers, 
>>articles etc you have on multi-stakholder partnerships and WSIS (or 
>>in general on MSPs in the UN context). I can upload everything in a 
>>week from now, right now I am busy with other stuff.
>
>please see from that last APCNEWS posting:
>
>Resources on multi-stakeholder participation in UN processes
>
>As part of our involvement in the WSIS, and our policy advocacy 
>capacity building work at national and regional levels, APC has 
>started to gather a list of resources on the topic. We want to thank 
>members of the WSIS CS Plenary online space for their contributions. 
>The list is a work in progress; do not expect it to be 
>comprehensive.  Please send additions to networking at apc.org.
>http://www.apc.org/english/news/index.shtml?x=31498
>
>karen
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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From richardjordan at lycos.com  Sat Apr  2 16:36:31 2005
From: richardjordan at lycos.com (richard jordan)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: FW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the Multi-Stakeholderism
Message-ID: <20050402153631.4FB8630E7DF@ws7-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

Hi, Elizabeth, Claudia, and everyone -- Richard Jordan here, still the Northern Co-Chair of the CSD/NGO Steering Committee (CSD being the UN Commission on Sustainable Development).

I think it was perhaps during the first Prep Com or after the first Prep Com for the Geneva phase of the Summit that I may have sent an email that outlined the process of the Steering Committee, which came about during the process that formed the CSD itself in the UN system.

That process has, along the way, suffered from a great deal of contention between elements within the Steering Committee and also from the outside. I will not go into that matter today.

Suffice it to say that ALL of the NGO caucuses in the Steering Committee were established with both gender balance at the leadership, one male and one femal Co-Chair, and geographic balance, one of the two Co-Chairs had to be from the North and the other one from the South.

It would seem that in examining the concept of the multi-stakeholder process you all are assuming that the history of the WSSD multi-stakeholder process ONLY goes back to maybe 2001 or 2000.

Minu's work, and I have known Minu for quite some time, is quite valid and a good contribution to the process.

The North and the South Caucuses of the Steering Committee may be discussing some ideas that will again bring the Steering Committee into the forefront of the sustainable development agenda.

The process that the CSD Secretariat has instituted after the CSD revised its multi-year framework after CSD 10 has been to divide the leadership roles among three networks of NGOs, of which the Steering Committee is NOT one.

I think that it is important to realize that in the CSD structure currently, where there is a review year on sectoral issues, such as freshwater, sanitation and human settlements, followed by a year in which a set of policy decisions on the topic(s) -- there are clusters -- are negotiated by governments, that the Steering Committee broke new ground in: gender balance, geographic balance, and invitations for new groups -- the approximately 40 "caucuses", which I outlined in a previous email as being continuing mechanisms that exist not just during CSD but during the year as well -- to operate.

So I think that in terms of multi-stakeholder dialogues, there are discussions right now going on within the UN system, at least among NGOs, as to new modalities of working within the UN system.

So please realize that multi-stakeholder approaches pre-date WSIS by quite some time.

Many thanks, Richard Jordan - Northern Co-Chair of the CSD/NGO Steering Committee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth Carll, PhD" <ecarll@optonline.net>
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: FW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the Multi-Stakeholderism
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 09:34:57 -0500

> 
> 
> Claudia,
> 
> An excellent suggestion to begin to reflect on identifying key words.  A
> shared understanding of concepts and constructs, will help build a shared
> vision for civil society.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> Dr. Elizabeth Carll
> Focal Point to WSIS
> International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
> Chair, Media/ICT Working Group,
> UN NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York;
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On Behalf
> Of Claudia Padovani
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 12:57 AM
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Subject: R: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the Multi-Stakeholderism
> 
> 
> Ciao to all and apologies for not having been active on the list after
> prepcomII (just struggling with professional commitments). I would like to
> thank Ralf for his contribution on multi-stakeholderism which is a very
> useful update on discussions that are developing within the CS sector, while
> introducing some issues that deserve being further reflected upon. I have a
> few comments and a couple of suggestions.
> 
> Research we conducted after Geneva on documents has shown that even within
> civil society org there are quite different understanding of processes,
> actors and respective involvement (Continuum, vol 18 n. 3). This is normal
> and diversity can be constructive, but it is also important to be kept in
> mind: for some governance is mainly a national matter, for others
> governments still have to play a central role; the multi-level dimension is
> clearly crucial to local authorities; governments are interested in
> procedural aspects while the CS alternative declaration clearly focused in
> the "quality" of multi-actor involvement.
> 
> In this sense I support Wolfgang and Rikke's comments and would suggest
> that, alongside with a CS effort to develop own stocktaking exercise
> according to its own standards, we could also develop a reflection on
> standards about multi-stakeholder processes. A good starting point in this
> sense is offered by Hemmati's and others' work within the earthsummit
> process. On http://www.earthsummit2002.org/msp you find a synthesis of such
> efforts in terms of MSP goals, terminology, different types of MSPs and
> values base (among which effectiveness, equity and transparency.
> Maybe a discussion within this group (or the working method WG) could start
> by identifying key words concerning civil society involvement in processes
> and clarify them, in order to have a shared understanding that would allow
> us to be more effective in our future actions; to then develop a framework
> that would reflect our interest in being involved while indicating concrete
> proposals.
> 
> I also suggest that since some of us have been reflecting and writing about
> these aspects, it would be good to have a space, maybe on the
> worldsummit.2005 site, where these contributions could be made available to
> all and the public, together with reports from different events that have
> been organized and reference to initiatives that are being developed around
> the multi-stakeholder issue. This would contribute in reducing the existing
> fragmentation while fostering the discussion in order to be able to develop
> concrete proposals for the follow ups to WSIS.
> 
> I would be interested in this and willing to cooperate. Best wishes
> claudia
> 
> 
> 
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] Per conto
> di Ralf Bendrath
> Inviato: mercoled? 30 marzo 2005 5.56
> A: wsis-cs-plenary
> Oggetto: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the Multi-Stakeholderism
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> following up on the recent discussions about our take on
> multi-stakeholderism (ranging from the CS press release, the CS-PS
> statement, and the stocktaking database to the Global Alliance
> discussions), I have just published a lenghty piece on
> multi-stakeholderism in the WSIS context at www.worldsummit2005.org.
> 
> I have tried to give a rough summary of the points raised and also relate
> it to larger developments and possible roads ahead.
> 
> Have fun!
> 
> Best, Ralf
> 
> 
> Civil Society and the Multi-Stakeholderism
> Discussion emerging about opportunities and strange bedfellows
> 
> 29 March 2005. Civil Society involved in WSIS has finally started to
> discuss the strategic and political implications of multi-stakeholder
> processes like the World Summit on the Information Society. Besides the
> usual ?we have to be involved if we have the chance?, there is a lot of
> scepticism, but not yet a full understanding of how to use these new
> structures in global governance. More...
> 
> http://www.worldsummit2005.org/
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From bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de  Sat Apr  2 16:40:48 2005
From: bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: R: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the  Multi-Stakeholderism
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050402155730.03e41140@pop.gn.apc.org>
References: <20050402055739.2CEC114B5CB@mail.gn.apc.org> <424EB248.5070604@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <6.2.0.14.0.20050402155730.03e41140@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <424EBD00.2010307@zedat.fu-berlin.de>

> please see from that last APCNEWS posting: Resources on
> multi-stakeholder participation in UN processes

I had that on my radar screen already. ;-)

XXX

From mclauglm at po.muohio.edu  Sat Apr  2 16:43:04 2005
From: mclauglm at po.muohio.edu (mclauglm@po.muohio.edu)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] APCNews on WSIS
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050402114341.04997200@pop.gn.apc.org>
References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050402114341.04997200@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <p06010201be746b0a1029@[192.168.1.100]>

Dear Karen and all,

Thanks once again for encouraging a debate about 
MSPs. I've read the APCNEWS special edition, and 
I have a question for Anriette that I hope will 
help to clarify and also further this discussion:

I am wondering about this distinction that you 
are making between "process" and "substance" 
whereby you suggest that some CS activists focus 
too much on process and not enough on substance. 
Please can you clarify how process and substance 
should be isolated from one another in such a 
way? For example, the undemocratic election 
process in the US, which painfully produced GW 
Bush, is difficult to extricate from what is at 
present the substance of national, and sometimes 
worldwide, debates.

Many thanks,

Lisa



>Dear all,
>
>This month's (march) APCNEWS focuses on WSIS. 
>The spanish version will be posted within a 
>couple of days.
>
>thanks to all who shared resources, comments etc
>
>karen
>
>--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
>                     SPECIAL EDITION
>     WORLD SUMMIT ON THE INFORMATION SOCIETY PREPCOM 2
>--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
>            *APCNews, the monthly newsletter of the
>       Association for Progressive Communications (APC)*
>                 - March 2005 No. 51 -
>--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
>--THE ISSUES: INTERNET GOVERNANCE & FINANCING ICT FOR DEVELOPMENT--
>--PREPCOM 2 FROM DIFFERENT GEOGRAPHICAL PERSPECTIVES--
>--HUMAN RIGHTS & WSIS--
>--MULTISTAKEHOLDER PARTNERSHIPS--
>--THE PEOPLE AT THE PREPCOM --
>--RECOMMENDED READING?-
>--WANT TO FIND OUT MORE? WSIS-RELATED WEBSITES--
>--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
>

From mclauglm at po.muohio.edu  Sat Apr  2 18:04:03 2005
From: mclauglm at po.muohio.edu (mclauglm@po.muohio.edu)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: FW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the
 Multi-Stakeholderism
In-Reply-To: <20050402153631.4FB8630E7DF@ws7-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050402153631.4FB8630E7DF@ws7-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <p06010200be747f5ffdcd@[192.168.1.100]>

Richard makes an excellent point about the 
assumption that the WSIS represents the first 
real dialogue on MSPs (an assumption that's easy 
to make, given how the ITU hyped this process to 
CS under the "common vision" logo). In fact, 
arguments about bringing in non-state actors 
began within one year of the establishment of the 
UN in 1945, after the International Chamber of 
Commerce (ICC, parent company of our CCBI 
friends) was granted high-level consultative 
status, thanks to the efforts of groups from the 
United States to lobby for the participation of 
private organizations in the deliberations of the 
UN and its specialized agencies. I believe that 
there were approximately 24 nation-states 
comprising the UN in those days, all Western 
countries, the majority of which opposed the 
inclusion of the ICC as a consultant to the UN.

Lisa




>Hi, Elizabeth, Claudia, and everyone -- Richard 
>Jordan here, still the Northern Co-Chair of the 
>CSD/NGO Steering Committee (CSD being the UN 
>Commission on Sustainable Development).
>
>I think it was perhaps during the first Prep Com 
>or after the first Prep Com for the Geneva phase 
>of the Summit that I may have sent an email that 
>outlined the process of the Steering Committee, 
>which came about during the process that formed 
>the CSD itself in the UN system.
>
>That process has, along the way, suffered from a 
>great deal of contention between elements within 
>the Steering Committee and also from the 
>outside. I will not go into that matter today.
>
>Suffice it to say that ALL of the NGO caucuses 
>in the Steering Committee were established with 
>both gender balance at the leadership, one male 
>and one femal Co-Chair, and geographic balance, 
>one of the two Co-Chairs had to be from the 
>North and the other one from the South.
>
>It would seem that in examining the concept of 
>the multi-stakeholder process you all are 
>assuming that the history of the WSSD 
>multi-stakeholder process ONLY goes back to 
>maybe 2001 or 2000.
>
>Minu's work, and I have known Minu for quite 
>some time, is quite valid and a good 
>contribution to the process.
>
>The North and the South Caucuses of the Steering 
>Committee may be discussing some ideas that will 
>again bring the Steering Committee into the 
>forefront of the sustainable development agenda.
>
>The process that the CSD Secretariat has 
>instituted after the CSD revised its multi-year 
>framework after CSD 10 has been to divide the 
>leadership roles among three networks of NGOs, 
>of which the Steering Committee is NOT one.
>
>I think that it is important to realize that in 
>the CSD structure currently, where there is a 
>review year on sectoral issues, such as 
>freshwater, sanitation and human settlements, 
>followed by a year in which a set of policy 
>decisions on the topic(s) -- there are clusters 
>-- are negotiated by governments, that the 
>Steering Committee broke new ground in: gender 
>balance, geographic balance, and invitations for 
>new groups -- the approximately 40 "caucuses", 
>which I outlined in a previous email as being 
>continuing mechanisms that exist not just during 
>CSD but during the year as well -- to operate.
>
>So I think that in terms of multi-stakeholder 
>dialogues, there are discussions right now going 
>on within the UN system, at least among NGOs, as 
>to new modalities of working within the UN 
>system.
>
>So please realize that multi-stakeholder 
>approaches pre-date WSIS by quite some time.
>
>Many thanks, Richard Jordan - Northern Co-Chair 
>of the CSD/NGO Steering Committee
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Elizabeth Carll, PhD" <ecarll@optonline.net>
>To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>Subject: FW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the Multi-Stakeholderism
>Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 09:34:57 -0500
>
>>
>>
>>  Claudia,
>>
>>  An excellent suggestion to begin to reflect on identifying key words.  A
>>  shared understanding of concepts and constructs, will help build a shared
>>  vision for civil society.
>>
>>  Best regards,
>>
>>  Elizabeth
>>
>>  Dr. Elizabeth Carll
>>  Focal Point to WSIS
>  > International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
>>  Chair, Media/ICT Working Group,
>>  UN NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York;
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On Behalf
>>  Of Claudia Padovani
>>  Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 12:57 AM
>>  To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>  Subject: R: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the Multi-Stakeholderism
>>
>>
>>  Ciao to all and apologies for not having been active on the list after
>>  prepcomII (just struggling with professional commitments). I would like to
>>  thank Ralf for his contribution on multi-stakeholderism which is a very
>>  useful update on discussions that are developing within the CS sector, while
>>  introducing some issues that deserve being further reflected upon. I have a
>>  few comments and a couple of suggestions.
>>
>>  Research we conducted after Geneva on documents has shown that even within
>>  civil society org there are quite different understanding of processes,
>>  actors and respective involvement (Continuum, vol 18 n. 3). This is normal
>>  and diversity can be constructive, but it is also important to be kept in
>>  mind: for some governance is mainly a national matter, for others
>>  governments still have to play a central role; the multi-level dimension is
>>  clearly crucial to local authorities; governments are interested in
>>  procedural aspects while the CS alternative declaration clearly focused in
>>  the "quality" of multi-actor involvement.
>>
>>  In this sense I support Wolfgang and Rikke's comments and would suggest
>>  that, alongside with a CS effort to develop own stocktaking exercise
>>  according to its own standards, we could also develop a reflection on
>>  standards about multi-stakeholder processes. A good starting point in this
>>  sense is offered by Hemmati's and others' work within the earthsummit
>>  process. On http://www.earthsummit2002.org/msp you find a synthesis of such
>>  efforts in terms of MSP goals, terminology, different types of MSPs and
>>  values base (among which effectiveness, equity and transparency.
>>  Maybe a discussion within this group (or the working method WG) could start
>>  by identifying key words concerning civil society involvement in processes
>>  and clarify them, in order to have a shared understanding that would allow
>>  us to be more effective in our future actions; to then develop a framework
>>  that would reflect our interest in being involved while indicating concrete
>>  proposals.
>>
>>  I also suggest that since some of us have been reflecting and writing about
>>  these aspects, it would be good to have a space, maybe on the
>>  worldsummit.2005 site, where these contributions could be made available to
>>  all and the public, together with reports from different events that have
>>  been organized and reference to initiatives that are being developed around
>>  the multi-stakeholder issue. This would contribute in reducing the existing
>>  fragmentation while fostering the discussion in order to be able to develop
>>  concrete proposals for the follow ups to WSIS.
>>
>>  I would be interested in this and willing to cooperate. Best wishes
>>  claudia
>>
>>
>>
>>  -----Messaggio originale-----
>>  Da: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] Per conto
>>  di Ralf Bendrath
>>  Inviato: mercoled? 30 marzo 2005 5.56
>>  A: wsis-cs-plenary
>>  Oggetto: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the Multi-Stakeholderism
>>
>>  Hi all,
>>
>>  following up on the recent discussions about our take on
>>  multi-stakeholderism (ranging from the CS press release, the CS-PS
>>  statement, and the stocktaking database to the Global Alliance
>>  discussions), I have just published a lenghty piece on
>>  multi-stakeholderism in the WSIS context at www.worldsummit2005.org.
>>
>>  I have tried to give a rough summary of the points raised and also relate
>>  it to larger developments and possible roads ahead.
>>
>>  Have fun!
>>
>>  Best, Ralf
>>
>>
>>  Civil Society and the Multi-Stakeholderism
>>  Discussion emerging about opportunities and strange bedfellows
>>
>>  29 March 2005. Civil Society involved in WSIS has finally started to
>>  discuss the strategic and political implications of multi-stakeholder
>  > processes like the World Summit on the Information Society. Besides the
>>  usual ?we have to be involved if we have the chance?, there is a lot of
>>  scepticism, but not yet a full understanding of how to use these new
>>  structures in global governance. More...
>>
>>  http://www.worldsummit2005.org/
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  Plenary mailing list
>>  Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>  http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>>
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
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From mclauglm at po.muohio.edu  Sat Apr  2 21:46:29 2005
From: mclauglm at po.muohio.edu (mclauglm@po.muohio.edu)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: FW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the 
 Multi-Stakeholderism
In-Reply-To: <p06010200be747f5ffdcd@[192.168.1.100]>
References: <20050402153631.4FB8630E7DF@ws7-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
 <p06010200be747f5ffdcd@[192.168.1.100]>
Message-ID: <p06010200be74af4c9981@[192.168.1.100]>

I must correct myself on a couple of items below (before someone else 
does:-): 1) the UN Charter was signed by 50 countries in 1945--two 
months later, the inclusion of Poland brought the number to 51; 2) 
not all original member-states were from Western nations (I 
inadvertently omitted an "almost" below) but the majority were so.

In fairness to the ICC, the debate about allowing "private 
organizations" access  to, and consultative status with, the UN 
involved the much broader issue of whether or not NGOs (defined as 
any non-state actor at that time) should be afforded these privileges 
or whether the UN should be a state-centric organization that would 
not be influenced directly by civil society organizations.

Apologies (I'm not a morning person),

Lisa



>Richard makes an excellent point about the assumption that the WSIS 
>represents the first real dialogue on MSPs (an assumption that's 
>easy to make, given how the ITU hyped this process to CS under the 
>"common vision" logo). In fact, arguments about bringing in 
>non-state actors began within one year of the establishment of the 
>UN in 1945, after the International Chamber of Commerce (ICC, parent 
>company of our CCBI friends) was granted high-level consultative 
>status, thanks to the efforts of groups from the United States to 
>lobby for the participation of private organizations in the 
>deliberations of the UN and its specialized agencies. I believe that 
>there were approximately 24 nation-states comprising the UN in those 
>days, all Western countries, the majority of which opposed the 
>inclusion of the ICC as a consultant to the UN.
>
>Lisa
>

From klohento at panos-ao.org  Sun Apr  3 08:14:11 2005
From: klohento at panos-ao.org (klohento@panos-ao.org)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?TR=3A_=5BAFRICA=5FNET=5D_Info_-_CIPACO_?=
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  3 10:55:02 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: FW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the  Multi-Stakeholderism
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050403095502.45918.qmail@web60707.mail.yahoo.com>

Relevant and important discussions on MSP issues both
on substantive and procedure aspects ....
1... We can note that this exchange is only in English
as if other non English speaking persons are non
concern by the debate... Those (a dozen of resource)
persons who are involved are they official persons
speaking on behalf of the whole ?
2... Persons like Francis Muguet has been very active
on the subject with official statement made in the
Prepcom-2 plenary, is he working on the subject in the
French world and if any how to coordinate ? If English
are not interested to include non English, it will be
difficult to coordinate... let's see what it is
arriving in Tunis ?
3... speaking on multipartenariat practices, i don't
think that ICC was the best case, i do prefere to
relate to ILO International Labor Organisation who is
functionning on a tripartite sheme - States - trade
unions if workers and trade unions of owners - all of
them are represented with equity from each country....
Rich as well as poor countries.... and it works since
near one hundred years, before UNO creation.... and
they do their best to try to correct the folish of the
market rules and transnational companies request
 
La domination de la composante anglophone de la
société civile est totale et méprisante, nul besoin de
se fatiguer à traduire mes élucubrations.... 
Le monde non-englophone étant totalement absent de ce
débat sur les multipartenariat, soit il accepte d'être
marginalisé, soit il travaille de son côté en marge du
monde englophone ...
Nous aurons l'occasion de faire le point à Tunis

--- mclauglm@po.muohio.edu wrote:
> I must correct myself on a couple of items below
> (before someone else 
> does:-): 1) the UN Charter was signed by 50
> countries in 1945--two 
> months later, the inclusion of Poland brought the
> number to 51; 2) 
> not all original member-states were from Western
> nations (I 
> inadvertently omitted an "almost" below) but the
> majority were so.
> 
> In fairness to the ICC, the debate about allowing
> "private 
> organizations" access  to, and consultative status
> with, the UN 
> involved the much broader issue of whether or not
> NGOs (defined as 
> any non-state actor at that time) should be afforded
> these privileges 
> or whether the UN should be a state-centric
> organization that would 
> not be influenced directly by civil society
> organizations.
> 
> Apologies (I'm not a morning person),
> 
> Lisa
> 
> 
> 
> >Richard makes an excellent point about the
> assumption that the WSIS 
> >represents the first real dialogue on MSPs (an
> assumption that's 
> >easy to make, given how the ITU hyped this process
> to CS under the 
> >"common vision" logo). In fact, arguments about
> bringing in 
> >non-state actors began within one year of the
> establishment of the 
> >UN in 1945, after the International Chamber of
> Commerce (ICC, parent 
> >company of our CCBI friends) was granted high-level
> consultative 
> >status, thanks to the efforts of groups from the
> United States to 
> >lobby for the participation of private
> organizations in the 
> >deliberations of the UN and its specialized
> agencies. I believe that 
> >there were approximately 24 nation-states
> comprising the UN in those 
> >days, all Western countries, the majority of which
> opposed the 
> >inclusion of the ICC as a consultant to the UN.
> >
> >Lisa
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
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From mclauglm at po.muohio.edu  Sun Apr  3 13:08:37 2005
From: mclauglm at po.muohio.edu (mclauglm@po.muohio.edu)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: FW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the 
 Multi-Stakeholderism
In-Reply-To: <20050403095502.45918.qmail@web60707.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050403095502.45918.qmail@web60707.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06010200be7589482305@[192.168.1.102]>

Dear Djilali and others,

I apologize for my inability to express myself in 
languages besides English. My Spanish is not 
good, and I have no ability to write in French. 
Unfortunately, "google language tools" and "babel 
fish" translations do not help us to communicate 
well. I appreciate what you are saying very much, 
and ILO is an interesting example. So here is 
another practical issue regarding process and 
substance: how do we include everyone in respect 
to language when, individually, we do not have in 
common a first language?

In French-Babel Fish:

Cher Djilali et d'autres,

Je fais des excuses pour mon incapacit? de 
s'exprimer en langues sans compter que l'anglais. 
Mon Espagnol n'est pas bon, et je n'ai aucune 
capacit? d'?crire en fran?ais. Malheureusement, 
les traductions "d'outils" et d'"babelfish" de 
langue de google ne nous aident pas ? communiquer 
bien. J'appr?cie ce que vous dites beaucoup, et 
l'OIT est un exemple int?ressant. Tellement voici 
une autre issue pratique concernant le processus 
et la substance : comment incluons-nous chacun en 
ce qui concerne la langue quand, 
individuellement, nous n'avons pas en commun une 
premi?re langue ?


>Relevant and important discussions on MSP issues both
>on substantive and procedure aspects ....
>1... We can note that this exchange is only in English
>as if other non English speaking persons are non
>concern by the debate... Those (a dozen of resource)
>persons who are involved are they official persons
>speaking on behalf of the whole ?
>2... Persons like Francis Muguet has been very active
>on the subject with official statement made in the
>Prepcom-2 plenary, is he working on the subject in the
>French world and if any how to coordinate ? If English
>are not interested to include non English, it will be
>difficult to coordinate... let's see what it is
>arriving in Tunis ?
>3... speaking on multipartenariat practices, i don't
>think that ICC was the best case, i do prefere to
>relate to ILO International Labor Organisation who is
>functionning on a tripartite sheme - States - trade
>unions if workers and trade unions of owners - all of
>them are represented with equity from each country....
>Rich as well as poor countries.... and it works since
>near one hundred years, before UNO creation.... and
>they do their best to try to correct the folish of the
>market rules and transnational companies request
>
>La domination de la composante anglophone de la
>soci?t? civile est totale et m?prisante, nul besoin de
>se fatiguer ? traduire mes ?lucubrations....
>Le monde non-englophone ?tant totalement absent de ce
>d?bat sur les multipartenariat, soit il accepte d'?tre
>marginalis?, soit il travaille de son c?t? en marge du
>monde englophone ...
>Nous aurons l'occasion de faire le point ? Tunis
>
>--- mclauglm@po.muohio.edu wrote:
>>  I must correct myself on a couple of items below
>>  (before someone else
>>  does:-): 1) the UN Charter was signed by 50
>>  countries in 1945--two
>>  months later, the inclusion of Poland brought the
>>  number to 51; 2)
>>  not all original member-states were from Western
>>  nations (I
>>  inadvertently omitted an "almost" below) but the
>>  majority were so.
>>
>>  In fairness to the ICC, the debate about allowing
>>  "private
>>  organizations" access  to, and consultative status
>>  with, the UN
>>  involved the much broader issue of whether or not
>>  NGOs (defined as
>>  any non-state actor at that time) should be afforded
>>  these privileges
>>  or whether the UN should be a state-centric
>>  organization that would
>>  not be influenced directly by civil society
>>  organizations.
>>
>>  Apologies (I'm not a morning person),
>>
>  > Lisa
>>

From mueller at syr.edu  Sun Apr  3 14:51:11 2005
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] US government-funded report on ICANN, DNS released
Message-ID: <s24fbca2.041@gwia201.syr.edu>

An expert report on Internet governance and the Domain Name System was
released Thursday by the National Research Council. 
 
The report, "Signposts in Cyberspace: The Domain Name System and
Internet Navigation," is available at ths URL:

http://www7.nationalacademies.org/cstb/pub_dns.html 

The report was sponsored by the U.S. Department of Commerce and the
National Science Foundation, and mandated by the U.S. Congress through
Public Law 105-305.

The full report makes recommendations regarding new TLDs (there is no
technical or operational risk to adding 20-90 TLDs annually, a regular
schedule for their addition should be instituted, auctions should be
considered), Internet governance and DNS (governments should stay out,
ICANN should receive stewardship after safeguards are instituted),
security (DNSSEC should be encouraged), WHOIS and privacy ("Whois data
management and access should be designed to allow for gradations in
access while maintaining some degree of free access to Whois
information.") and many other DNS-related topics. 

Disclosure: I was on the committee. But the report and conclusions had
to obtain consensus among a committee composed of a dozen or so other
experts, many of whom had strong disagreements. 

A good critical overview of the report can be found on ICANNWatch:
http://www.icannwatch.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/31/0057215&mode=thread 



Dr. Milton Mueller
Syracuse University School of Information Studies
http://www.digital-convergence.org
http://www.internetgovernance.org


From rkoven at compuserve.com  Sun Apr  3 14:57:25 2005
From: rkoven at compuserve.com (Ronald Koven)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: FW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the 
  Multi-Stakeholderism
Message-ID: <200504030957_MC3-1-9A25-84A5@compuserve.com>

Dear All --

I think this message to Djilali is extraordinarily sweet and kind.

He does not hesitate to beat up on anyone and everyone who dares express
him/herself in the world's main vehicular language, and in rather insulting
terms at that.

One might note that his complaint is only about people not speaking his own
language, French -- never in defense of Spanish Portuguese, Arabic,
Chinese, Russian, etc.

Djilali, vous devez cesser de pleurnicher. C'est tjrs la meme rengaine. On
a compris que vous n'etes peut etre pas dou? pour les langues. ?a devient
du spam (pour parler franglais) a la longue. Parlez nous plutot de choses
qui avancent les problematiques de fond auxquelles nous sommes confront?es.

Yours in exasperation over having my mailbox constantly cluttered with the
same complaint from the same source,

Rony Koven




From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  3 15:56:44 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: FW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the  Multi-Stakeholderism
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050403145644.22472.qmail@web60706.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Sir,
Thanks a lot for your reply and congratulations for
the effort made to translate with French babel fish...
Those who have the chance to deal with International
NGO in the North with some financial capacity can try
to help... the Civile society must be able to ensure
correct and sustainable translation in 4 or 5
languages.. our independancy begin with this
improvement.... You can check than african wsis civil
society list seemed to have find a first solution...
because of they wont it
Cher ami
merci pour les efforts de traduire même avec babel
fish... la société civile devrait avoir envie de
résoudre ce problème de traduction et quant on veut on
peut comme l'a fait la liste de la SMSI société civile
africaine. Notre crédibilité passe par là
     
--- mclauglm@po.muohio.edu wrote:
> Dear Djilali and others,
> 
> I apologize for my inability to express myself in 
> languages besides English. My Spanish is not 
> good, and I have no ability to write in French. 
> Unfortunately, "google language tools" and "babel 
> fish" translations do not help us to communicate 
> well. I appreciate what you are saying very much, 
> and ILO is an interesting example. So here is 
> another practical issue regarding process and 
> substance: how do we include everyone in respect 
> to language when, individually, we do not have in 
> common a first language?
> 
> In French-Babel Fish:
> 
> Cher Djilali et d'autres,
> 
> Je fais des excuses pour mon incapacité de 
> s'exprimer en langues sans compter que l'anglais. 
> Mon Espagnol n'est pas bon, et je n'ai aucune 
> capacité d'écrire en français. Malheureusement, 
> les traductions "d'outils" et d'"babelfish" de 
> langue de google ne nous aident pas à communiquer 
> bien. J'apprécie ce que vous dites beaucoup, et 
> l'OIT est un exemple intéressant. Tellement voici 
> une autre issue pratique concernant le processus 
> et la substance : comment incluons-nous chacun en 
> ce qui concerne la langue quand, 
> individuellement, nous n'avons pas en commun une 
> première langue ?
> 
> 
> >Relevant and important discussions on MSP issues
> both
> >on substantive and procedure aspects ....
> >1... We can note that this exchange is only in
> English
> >as if other non English speaking persons are non
> >concern by the debate... Those (a dozen of
> resource)
> >persons who are involved are they official persons
> >speaking on behalf of the whole ?
> >2... Persons like Francis Muguet has been very
> active
> >on the subject with official statement made in the
> >Prepcom-2 plenary, is he working on the subject in
> the
> >French world and if any how to coordinate ? If
> English
> >are not interested to include non English, it will
> be
> >difficult to coordinate... let's see what it is
> >arriving in Tunis ?
> >3... speaking on multipartenariat practices, i
> don't
> >think that ICC was the best case, i do prefere to
> >relate to ILO International Labor Organisation who
> is
> >functionning on a tripartite sheme - States - trade
> >unions if workers and trade unions of owners - all
> of
> >them are represented with equity from each
> country....
> >Rich as well as poor countries.... and it works
> since
> >near one hundred years, before UNO creation.... and
> >they do their best to try to correct the folish of
> the
> >market rules and transnational companies request
> >
> >La domination de la composante anglophone de la
> >sociÈtÈ civile est totale et mÈprisante, nul besoin
> de
> >se fatiguer ý traduire mes Èlucubrations....
> >Le monde non-englophone Ètant totalement absent de
> ce
> >dÈbat sur les multipartenariat, soit il accepte
> d'Ítre
> >marginalisÈ, soit il travaille de son cÙtÈ en marge
> du
> >monde englophone ...
> >Nous aurons l'occasion de faire le point ý Tunis
> >
> >--- mclauglm@po.muohio.edu wrote:
> >>  I must correct myself on a couple of items below
> >>  (before someone else
> >>  does:-): 1) the UN Charter was signed by 50
> >>  countries in 1945--two
> >>  months later, the inclusion of Poland brought
> the
> >>  number to 51; 2)
> >>  not all original member-states were from Western
> >>  nations (I
> >>  inadvertently omitted an "almost" below) but the
> >>  majority were so.
> >>
> >>  In fairness to the ICC, the debate about
> allowing
> >>  "private
> >>  organizations" access  to, and consultative
> status
> >>  with, the UN
> >>  involved the much broader issue of whether or
> not
> >>  NGOs (defined as
> >>  any non-state actor at that time) should be
> afforded
> >>  these privileges
> >>  or whether the UN should be a state-centric
> >>  organization that would
> >>  not be influenced directly by civil society
> >>  organizations.
> >>
> >>  Apologies (I'm not a morning person),
> >>
> >  > Lisa
> >>
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 

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Tel/fax : (227) 75 35 09 BP 11207 - Niamey - Niger
Tél/Fax : (331) 01 45 39 77 02 Paris - France
Page web sur le SMSI (mecanismes de financement) : en cours de construction 
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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Sun Apr  3 16:03:04 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Language issues on the Plenary list...
In-Reply-To: <200504030957_MC3-1-9A25-84A5@compuserve.com>
References: <200504030957_MC3-1-9A25-84A5@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <p0621021abe75af415aa2@[10.0.1.4]>

let's remember that for this summit the official languages are ALL of 
the following:

english, spanish, arabic, chinese, russian and yes ..french as well.

The call to move from "words" to specific actions - has been stated 
many times on this forum before.

I commend the actions of the ICV, CONGO, CRIS campaign, APC, Panos 
and other groups that have taken the task on to find resources and 
funding to help facilitate, organize and help with logistics. 
Complaining is easy, finding support - of any kind - is quite 
difficult and a challenge....but one must try.

The issue of translation, better said the lack of it  - is well 
known, and recognized . There have long been calls to do "something" 
so that  two of the major official UN languages - spanish, and french 
- be accommodated.

Ronald in his earlier message seems to indicate that the "call to do 
something" has been heard, not one, twice, but way too many times. In 
that I agree. That being said - what to do... How can we move from 
"defining the lack of a language translation resource" to 
"implementing a solution" ...be it a short term or long term one...?

The solution - a potential one - might closer than most people 
think...Just think about it - do we really think that this is the 
first time "Translation of mailing list traffic from one language to 
another" has been raised? I don't think so...

Has anyone bothered to do a bit of research on this ? why do i say 
this..well, if they had they would have come up with contacts, 
projects and potential resources that COULD be of help in this 
particular situation.

For example - just going a google search on "translation mailing 
lists" reveals that this issue has been raised on the "Mistica" 
mailing list for months..

MISTICA: Re: Auto-translation techniques
http://funredes.org/mistica/castellano/emec/produccion/memoria12/0130.html
http://funredes.org/mistica/castellano/emec/produccion/memoria12/0117.html

Mistica seems to have developed a system - already in place - that 
translates automatically between english, spanish and yes French. 
I've taken the liberty of cc'ing Daniel Pimineta from Mistica to get 
his comments to know if  their "solution" might be of assistance to 
this list. If it might be -  then it would indicate that the ICT 
tools we so much talk about can in fact be used to assist communities 
from that are linguistic divided (at least to a certain extent) be 
allowed to communicate.


regards

Robert








At 9:57 AM -0400 4/3/05, Ronald Koven wrote:
>Dear All --
>
>I think this message to Djilali is extraordinarily sweet and kind.
>
>He does not hesitate to beat up on anyone and everyone who dares express
>him/herself in the world's main vehicular language, and in rather insulting
>terms at that.
>
>One might note that his complaint is only about people not speaking his own
>language, French -- never in defense of Spanish Portuguese, Arabic,
>Chinese, Russian, etc.
>
>Djilali, vous devez cesser de pleurnicher. C'est tjrs la meme rengaine. On
>a compris que vous n'etes peut etre pas douŽ pour les langues. ‚a devient
>du spam (pour parler franglais) a la longue. Parlez nous plutot de choses
>qui avancent les problematiques de fond auxquelles nous sommes confrontŽes.
>
>Yours in exasperation over having my mailbox constantly cluttered with the
>same complaint from the same source,
>
>Rony Koven
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  3 16:04:20 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [Africa-CS-WSIS]WSIS, Civil Society and Multi-Stakeholderism
In-Reply-To: <42362DB0000A2158@mssbzhb-int.msg.bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <20050403150420.72057.qmail@web60701.mail.yahoo.com>

Ngenda,
Thanks to elaborate... my english is poor and i cannot
understang the meaning of you message.
Please take not thet there is also 2 civile societies
one in the North with means, expertise and capacities
and one in the South, especially in Africa where with
nothing.
Those who born in Africa and who are winning in the
North and perhaps some of them in the South have no
legitimacy to speak on behalf the South...
We are african and proud of that and if we have no
place to express our hopeless situation we will find
relevant solutions to be heard.
Deux mots pour Ngenda pour lui demander d'expliciter
son message.
Il y a assurément 2 société civile l'une au nors avec
des moyens l'autres au Sud avec le désespoir et si
personne ne veut entendre le message, il se fera
entendre autrement.
    
--- ngenda@bluewin.ch wrote:

> Why are you so busy defining yourselves. We are
> Africans. Private, public
> or whatever. We want to make a difference. That is
> what counts. The public
> sector can do their diplomacy and the private sector
> can finance. Where is
> the problem? WE ARE AFRICANS.
> 
> Ngenda
> 
> 
> >-- Original Message --
> >From: djilali benamrane <dbenamrane@yahoo.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Africa-CS-WSIS]WSIS, Civil Society
> and Multi-Stakeholderism
> >To: africa@wsis-cs.org, plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >Cc: wsis-finance@yahoogroupes.fr
> >Reply-To: africa@wsis-cs.org
> >Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 01:03:46 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >
> >In my point of view, as long as the CS has not find
> >the way to ensure tis financial independancy, the
> CS
> >will be dependant on ether Governments, or
> >international inter-governmental organisations
> (IGO)
> >including the UN system, or private sector
> operators.
> >As long as we are dependant, we do have to identify
> 
> >our alliers... there is a French proverbe saying
> >better to deal with God better than with its
> >servants... it means that we have to try not to be
> >eaten by the private sector if we are not already
> >eaten. My speech will be different when the CS will
> >meet her financial independancy and it is suitable,
> >feasible and possible.
> >De mon point de vue, la soci?t? civile a un lourd
> >handicap celui d'?tre totalement d?pendante
> >financi?rement parlant.
> >Tant que durera cette d?pendance autant d?pendre de
> >dieu plut?t que de ses saints... dieu ici se sont
> les
> >Gouvernements et le diable anime les op?rateurs du
> >secteur priv?... prenons nos distances et ?vitons
> >d'?tre avaler par ce secteur priv? devastateur.
> >Mon discours sera autre le jour o? nous trouvons la
> >solution de notre autonomie financi?re et cela est
> >possible, faisable et souhaitable.
> >Amiti?s 
> >Djilali
> >
> >  
> >--- Ad? <odutan1@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> >> Civil Society and Multi-Stakeholderism:
> >> Discussion emerging about opportunities and
> strange
> >> bedfellows
> >> 
> >> Ralf Bendrath of the Heinrich-B?ll-Foundation has
> >> written this essay 
> >> about the internal debates within civil society
> >> whether it should or 
> >> shouldn't work more closely with the private
> sector
> >> and governments in 
> >> the WSIS process. While some civil society
> >> representatives advocate a 
> >> "multi-stakeholder approach" in which they find
> ways
> >> of working closely 
> >> with these sectors, others argue that civil
> society
> >> must remain 
> >> independent so it may fight against policies that
> >> they
> >> believe are not 
> >> in the public interest.
> >> 
> >> http://www.worldsummit2003.de/en/web/735.htm
> >> 
> >> Ad? BADA
> >> National ACSIS COORDINATOR 
> >> FOCAL POINTin BENIN
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 	
> >> 
> >> 	
> >> 		
> >>
>
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> >>
>
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> >> 
> >
> >
> >Djilali Benamrane : dbenamrane@yahoo.com
> >Tel/fax : (227) 75 35 09 BP 11207 - Niamey - Niger
> >T?l/Fax : (331) 01 45 39 77 02 Paris - France
> >Page web sur le SMSI (mecanismes de financement) :
> en cours de construction
> >
> >Page web sur l'Afrique et la globalisation :
> http://www.multimania.com/djilalibenamrane/
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  3 16:13:38 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [Africa-CS-WSIS]RESIGNATION TO SECURITY COUNCIL
In-Reply-To: <42362DB0000A2263@mssbzhb-int.msg.bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <20050403151338.25782.qmail@web60706.mail.yahoo.com>

I really hope that it is a jok... First April is used
by some to make such a jok...
If it is true i suppose that all high staff UN
assignements will be allowed to US citizens... Perhaps
also we shall have the privilege to have an american
Pope !
Interesting as global word management, but the History
is not finish and the next battle will be the battle
for international good governance and The US President
would probably like to lead the debate !
J'espère que ce message est un poisson d'avril parce
que si tel était le cas on aurait des souci à nous
faire.
Un prochain pape américain ? un président américain
menant les débats sur la gouvernance mondiale, autant
de raison peut-être pour voter oui au traité
constitutionnel européen ultra libéral... O dieu de
l'enfer ! quel cauchemerd !
  
--- ngenda@bluewin.ch wrote:

> >-- Original Message --
> >Subject: Fw: NEWS FLASH
> >To: Heidi.Divecha@TheGlobalFund.org, "Tina Divecha"
> <DIVECHA@unhcr.ch>,
> >   "Nasim Bahar" <nasim.bahar@virgin.net>,
> anna.divecha@btconnect.com,
> >   doodiejules@yahoo.com, andrea.hess@fifa.org,
> rupina.jagasia@ch.pwc.com,
> >   "Ngenda Kigaraba" <ngenda@bluewin.ch>,
> Angela_Rose@cargill.com,
> >   SergePerrin@Djiboua.com,
> Susan_Cretenoud@capgroup.com
> >From: Delseta_Atkins@capgroup.com
> >Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 14:09:22 +0100
> >
> >   Delseta Atkins | The Capital Group Companies |  
>  
> >          Location: GVO2 | Extension: 74933        
>  
> > Outside: +41 22 807 4933 | E-mail:
> dxa@capgroup.com 
> 
> >
> >>>> <htimes@fcc.net> 01/04/2005 13:19:42 >>>
>
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> The Humanitarian Times
> >                                                   
>       April 1, 2005
> >
> >- U.N. SEC. GEN. KOFI ANNAN SUBMITTED HIS
> RESIGNATION TO SECURITY COUNCIL
> >first thing this morning, surprising many UN
> watchers who believed that
> >the oil-for-food scandal had not directly
> implicated him.  In a press
> >briefing early this morning, Annan said that the
> effectiveness of the UN
> >depended on a leadership that was not distracted by
> defensiveness over
> >scandals like this.
> >
> >- HEADS OF U.N. AGENCIES MET IN NEW YORK TO DISCUSS
> TRANSITION PLANS
> >this week.  Those UN agency heads who are American,
> Paul Wolfowitz of
> >the World Bank, Wendy Chamberlin of UNHCR, Anne
> Veneman of Unicef, James
> >Morris of the World Food Programme, Brunson
> McKinley of IOM, & others met
> >Tuesday in a new inter-agency coordination
> mechanism to better plan the
> >UN's operations in concert with American interests.
> >
> >- WHITE HOUSE RELEASES LONG-TERM ROAD-MAP FOR
> UNITED NATIONS' REFORM,
> >following the recent spate of UN Reform proposals,
> including the High
> >-Level Panel report and this month's "In Larger
> Freedom?" by the Sec
> >General.  The US Administration's proposal includes
> a number of mergers.
> >(more below)
> >
> >- ACTING SWIFLY IN RESPONSE TO THE SEC. GEN.
> VACANCY,
> >the US President appointed as interim Secretary
> General of the United
> >Nations his brother, Jeb Bush, who had been
> involved in goodwill
> >missions in Asia following the recent tsunami. 
> When reminded that the
> >UN constitution prohibited the Sec. General being
> from one of the
> >permanent members of the Security Council, White
> House legal advisors
> >said that the US is not bound by that limited
> reading of an archaic &
> >inapplicable body of international law.  The USG
> said that it had
> >conferred with key allies in making the decision. 
> When asked by BBC,
> >Prime Minister Tony Blair said that he had indeed
> been told of the
> >appointment by his White House superiors an hour
> before the decision
> >was issued.  In order to immediately effect UN
> reforms, the Pres. sent
> >army & marine brigades into New York City,
> surrounding the UN, &
> >closing its offices.  SRSG Lahkdar Brahmi has been
> asked to create an
> >interim coalition provisional authority to
> facilitate the two-year UN
> >transition.
>
>_______________________________________________________________________
> >                                REVIEW OF WHITE
> HOUSE PROPOSAL ON UN REFORM
> >
> >- U.S. POSITIONS ON U.N. REFORM INVOLVE
> EFFICIENCIES & CONSOLIDATIONS
> >as a number of agencies were merged, effective
> immediately by Presidential
> >Decision Directive this week.  Because of its
> brand-name value, Unicef was
> >maintained with the same name, under US control,
> but reporting directly
> to
> >the Republican National Committee.  The World Food
> Program would take over
> >the Food and Agriculture Organization, & both be
> merged under the US
> >Department of Agriculture.  USAID Administrator
> Andrew Natsios was
> >appointed head of UNDP, along with a merger of the
> two organizations.
> >The World Health Organization will be merged with
> the Centers for Disease
> >Control in Atlanta, combining their laboratory
> facilities and reducing
> >human resources, laboratory & security
> redundancies.  IFAD, UNCTAD & the
> >International Labor Organization will be
> privatized, sold off at auction
> >this summer, proceeds to be held in trust by the
> Republican National
> >Committee, which will have fiduciary authority over
> the whole UN network.
> >
> >- PAUL WOLFOWITZ UNFURLED HIS VISION OF REVITALIZED
> WORLD BANK
> >as part of overall UN reform as well.  The World
> Bank will be merged with
> >the US Department of Defense, helping to restore to
> the World Bank it's
> >original concentration on post-conflict
> reconstruction.  After being
> >installed as the new director of the World Bank,
> Wolfowitz admitted that
> >he had no experience in third world development,
> had never even thought
> >about it, & didn't care.  Both the World Bank & the
> US military have among
> >the largest budgets in the world.  The Bank's
> borrowing authority would
> >be extremely valuable to the Pentagon during times
> of war, as proven by
> >historian Nial Ferguson in his review of how the
> Netherlands & the UK out
> >-financed their rivals in wars over the last 400
> years.
> >
> >- HARSH REACTIONS TO THE NEW U.N. REFORM PLANS OF
> THE U.S. WERE GIVEN
> >by two critics of the US Administration's
> proposals.  On CNN's Larry King
> >Live, former US Ambassador to the UN, Richard
> Holbrooke said that he had
> >personally faced down Milosevic, he himself had
> known George Kennan, he
> >had introduced key humanitarian issues to the Sec.
> Council's agenda, &
> >he personally had a lot of important ideas.  In a
> NY Times op-ed this
> >morning, Earth Institute director Jeffrey Sachs
> wrote an essay about how,
> >as macro-economist focused on the Soviet Union &
> Bolivia in the 1980s, he
> >had little idea about the types of politics behind
> the scenes in the UN
> >System.  Sachs concluded, "the Millennium
> Development Goals (MDGs) still
> >inspire hope."   In an accompanying letter to the
> editor, U2 musician/
> >singer Bono wrote that almost everything he knows
> about the real world
> >he learned from Sachs or Bob Geldorf.
>
>_______________________________________________________________________
> >                April 1, 2005                     
> The Humanitarian Times
> >
> >  * to subscribe or unsubscribe to The Humanitarian
> Times,
> >    email:  Hum_Times04@msn.com
>
>_________________________________________________________________
> > * To subscribe or unsubscribe please email
> Hum_Times04@msn.com
> 
> >-- Original Message --
> >From: ngenda@bluewin.ch
> >Subject: Re: [Africa-CS-WSIS]WSIS, Civil Society
> and Multi-Stakeholderism
> >To: africa@wsis-cs.org, africa@wsis-cs.org,
> plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >Cc: wsis-finance@yahoogroupes.fr
> >Reply-To: africa@wsis-cs.org
> >Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 14:18:11 +0200
> >
> >
> >Why are you so busy defining yourselves. We are
> Africans. Private, public
> 
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  3 16:23:09 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: FW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the   Multi-Stakeholderism
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050403152309.48994.qmail@web60702.mail.yahoo.com>

OK ronald,
Let's together plead for main languages spoken in
Africa ! Arabic, English, French, portuguese and
spanish.
If you red my old messages i always denonced the
inconsequency of the francophonie who is not able to
help to translate from French to English.
I am simply for the multilinguism the only manner to
help to inform poor populations everywhere.
As i am not a native french spoken person i don'y know
why you think that i defense only this language.
Please feel free to express yourself in a not sweet
and not kind manner.
Best regards.
Une petite réponse à Ronald qui se desepère de me voir
défendre la seule langue française...
Cela se voit qu'il n'a pas lu mes précédents
messages..
N'étant pas né avec un savoir français je n'éprouve
aucun complexe à défendre toutes les langues qui
permettent aux populations pauvre d'être informée et
de pouvoir comprendre et réagir. 
--- Ronald Koven <rkoven@compuserve.com> wrote:
> Dear All --
> 
> I think this message to Djilali is extraordinarily
> sweet and kind.
> 
> He does not hesitate to beat up on anyone and
> everyone who dares express
> him/herself in the world's main vehicular language,
> and in rather insulting
> terms at that.
> 
> One might note that his complaint is only about
> people not speaking his own
> language, French -- never in defense of Spanish
> Portuguese, Arabic,
> Chinese, Russian, etc.
> 
> Djilali, vous devez cesser de pleurnicher. C'est
> tjrs la meme rengaine. On
> a compris que vous n'etes peut etre pas doué pour
> les langues. Ça devient
> du spam (pour parler franglais) a la longue. Parlez
> nous plutot de choses
> qui avancent les problematiques de fond auxquelles
> nous sommes confrontées.
> 
> Yours in exasperation over having my mailbox
> constantly cluttered with the
> same complaint from the same source,
> 
> Rony Koven
> 
> 
> 
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  3 16:29:55 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Language issues on the Plenary list...
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050403152955.93847.qmail@web60704.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Robert.
I fully support your analysis, let's try to find
solutions if we want a relevant civile society, well
informed and well represented....
Thanks for your understanding and sorry for my "grosse
guelle"
Best regards
--- Robert Guerra <rguerra@lists.privaterra.org>
wrote:
> let's remember that for this summit the official
> languages are ALL of 
> the following:
> 
> english, spanish, arabic, chinese, russian and yes
> ..french as well.
> 
> The call to move from "words" to specific actions -
> has been stated 
> many times on this forum before.
> 
> I commend the actions of the ICV, CONGO, CRIS
> campaign, APC, Panos 
> and other groups that have taken the task on to find
> resources and 
> funding to help facilitate, organize and help with
> logistics. 
> Complaining is easy, finding support - of any kind -
> is quite 
> difficult and a challenge....but one must try.
> 
> The issue of translation, better said the lack of it
>  - is well 
> known, and recognized . There have long been calls
> to do "something" 
> so that  two of the major official UN languages -
> spanish, and french 
> - be accommodated.
> 
> Ronald in his earlier message seems to indicate that
> the "call to do 
> something" has been heard, not one, twice, but way
> too many times. In 
> that I agree. That being said - what to do... How
> can we move from 
> "defining the lack of a language translation
> resource" to 
> "implementing a solution" ...be it a short term or
> long term one...?
> 
> The solution - a potential one - might closer than
> most people 
> think...Just think about it - do we really think
> that this is the 
> first time "Translation of mailing list traffic from
> one language to 
> another" has been raised? I don't think so...
> 
> Has anyone bothered to do a bit of research on this
> ? why do i say 
> this..well, if they had they would have come up with
> contacts, 
> projects and potential resources that COULD be of
> help in this 
> particular situation.
> 
> For example - just going a google search on
> "translation mailing 
> lists" reveals that this issue has been raised on
> the "Mistica" 
> mailing list for months..
> 
> MISTICA: Re: Auto-translation techniques
>
http://funredes.org/mistica/castellano/emec/produccion/memoria12/0130.html
>
http://funredes.org/mistica/castellano/emec/produccion/memoria12/0117.html
> 
> Mistica seems to have developed a system - already
> in place - that 
> translates automatically between english, spanish
> and yes French. 
> I've taken the liberty of cc'ing Daniel Pimineta
> from Mistica to get 
> his comments to know if  their "solution" might be
> of assistance to 
> this list. If it might be -  then it would indicate
> that the ICT 
> tools we so much talk about can in fact be used to
> assist communities 
> from that are linguistic divided (at least to a
> certain extent) be 
> allowed to communicate.
> 
> 
> regards
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 9:57 AM -0400 4/3/05, Ronald Koven wrote:
> >Dear All --
> >
> >I think this message to Djilali is extraordinarily
> sweet and kind.
> >
> >He does not hesitate to beat up on anyone and
> everyone who dares express
> >him/herself in the world's main vehicular language,
> and in rather insulting
> >terms at that.
> >
> >One might note that his complaint is only about
> people not speaking his own
> >language, French -- never in defense of Spanish
> Portuguese, Arabic,
> >Chinese, Russian, etc.
> >
> >Djilali, vous devez cesser de pleurnicher. C'est
> tjrs la meme rengaine. On
> >a compris que vous n'etes peut etre pas doué pour
> les langues. Ça devient
> >du spam (pour parler franglais) a la longue. Parlez
> nous plutot de choses
> >qui avancent les problematiques de fond auxquelles
> nous sommes confrontées.
> >
> >Yours in exasperation over having my mailbox
> constantly cluttered with the
> >same complaint from the same source,
> >
> >Rony Koven
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Plenary mailing list
> >Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 
> 
> -- 
> ###
> Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
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From ecarll at optonline.net  Sun Apr  3 16:44:46 2005
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [Africa-CS-WSIS]RESIGNATION TO SECURITY
 COUNCIL
In-Reply-To: <20050403151338.25782.qmail@web60706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCCELFIOAA.ecarll@optonline.net>

It would seem to be April Fool's humor, based on the following also from the
report below:

> >- ACTING SWIFLY IN RESPONSE TO THE SEC. GEN.
> VACANCY,
> >the US President appointed as interim Secretary
> General of the United
> >Nations his brother, Jeb Bush, who had been
> involved in goodwill
> >missions in Asia following the recent tsunami.
> When reminded that the
> >UN constitution prohibited the Sec. General being
> from one of the
> >permanent members of the Security Council, White
> House legal advisors
> >said that the US is not bound by that limited
> reading of an archaic &
> >inapplicable body of international law.  The USG
> said that it had
> >conferred with key allies in making the decision.

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of djilali benamrane
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:14 AM
To: africa@wsis-cs.org; plenary@wsis-cs.org
Cc: wsis-finance@yahoogroupes.fr
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [Africa-CS-WSIS]RESIGNATION TO SECURITY
COUNCIL


I really hope that it is a jok... First April is used
by some to make such a jok...
If it is true i suppose that all high staff UN
assignements will be allowed to US citizens... Perhaps
also we shall have the privilege to have an american
Pope !
Interesting as global word management, but the History
is not finish and the next battle will be the battle
for international good governance and The US President
would probably like to lead the debate !
J'esphre que ce message est un poisson d'avril parce
que si tel itait le cas on aurait des souci ` nous
faire.
Un prochain pape amiricain ? un prisident amiricain
menant les dibats sur la gouvernance mondiale, autant
de raison peut-jtre pour voter oui au traiti
constitutionnel europien ultra libiral... O dieu de
l'enfer ! quel cauchemerd !

--- ngenda@bluewin.ch wrote:

> >-- Original Message --
> >Subject: Fw: NEWS FLASH
> >To: Heidi.Divecha@TheGlobalFund.org, "Tina Divecha"
> <DIVECHA@unhcr.ch>,
> >   "Nasim Bahar" <nasim.bahar@virgin.net>,
> anna.divecha@btconnect.com,
> >   doodiejules@yahoo.com, andrea.hess@fifa.org,
> rupina.jagasia@ch.pwc.com,
> >   "Ngenda Kigaraba" <ngenda@bluewin.ch>,
> Angela_Rose@cargill.com,
> >   SergePerrin@Djiboua.com,
> Susan_Cretenoud@capgroup.com
> >From: Delseta_Atkins@capgroup.com
> >Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 14:09:22 +0100
> >
> >   Delseta Atkins | The Capital Group Companies |
>
> >          Location: GVO2 | Extension: 74933
>
> > Outside: +41 22 807 4933 | E-mail:
> dxa@capgroup.com
>
> >
> >>>> <htimes@fcc.net> 01/04/2005 13:19:42 >>>
>
>_______________________________________________________________________
> >
> The Humanitarian Times
> >
>       April 1, 2005
> >
> >- U.N. SEC. GEN. KOFI ANNAN SUBMITTED HIS
> RESIGNATION TO SECURITY COUNCIL
> >first thing this morning, surprising many UN
> watchers who believed that
> >the oil-for-food scandal had not directly
> implicated him.  In a press
> >briefing early this morning, Annan said that the
> effectiveness of the UN
> >depended on a leadership that was not distracted by
> defensiveness over
> >scandals like this.
> >
> >- HEADS OF U.N. AGENCIES MET IN NEW YORK TO DISCUSS
> TRANSITION PLANS
> >this week.  Those UN agency heads who are American,
> Paul Wolfowitz of
> >the World Bank, Wendy Chamberlin of UNHCR, Anne
> Veneman of Unicef, James
> >Morris of the World Food Programme, Brunson
> McKinley of IOM, & others met
> >Tuesday in a new inter-agency coordination
> mechanism to better plan the
> >UN's operations in concert with American interests.
> >
> >- WHITE HOUSE RELEASES LONG-TERM ROAD-MAP FOR
> UNITED NATIONS' REFORM,
> >following the recent spate of UN Reform proposals,
> including the High
> >-Level Panel report and this month's "In Larger
> Freedom?" by the Sec
> >General.  The US Administration's proposal includes
> a number of mergers.
> >(more below)
> >
> >- ACTING SWIFLY IN RESPONSE TO THE SEC. GEN.
> VACANCY,
> >the US President appointed as interim Secretary
> General of the United
> >Nations his brother, Jeb Bush, who had been
> involved in goodwill
> >missions in Asia following the recent tsunami.
> When reminded that the
> >UN constitution prohibited the Sec. General being
> from one of the
> >permanent members of the Security Council, White
> House legal advisors
> >said that the US is not bound by that limited
> reading of an archaic &
> >inapplicable body of international law.  The USG
> said that it had
> >conferred with key allies in making the decision.
> When asked by BBC,
> >Prime Minister Tony Blair said that he had indeed
> been told of the
> >appointment by his White House superiors an hour
> before the decision
> >was issued.  In order to immediately effect UN
> reforms, the Pres. sent
> >army & marine brigades into New York City,
> surrounding the UN, &
> >closing its offices.  SRSG Lahkdar Brahmi has been
> asked to create an
> >interim coalition provisional authority to
> facilitate the two-year UN
> >transition.
>
>_______________________________________________________________________
> >                                REVIEW OF WHITE
> HOUSE PROPOSAL ON UN REFORM
> >
> >- U.S. POSITIONS ON U.N. REFORM INVOLVE
> EFFICIENCIES & CONSOLIDATIONS
> >as a number of agencies were merged, effective
> immediately by Presidential
> >Decision Directive this week.  Because of its
> brand-name value, Unicef was
> >maintained with the same name, under US control,
> but reporting directly
> to
> >the Republican National Committee.  The World Food
> Program would take over
> >the Food and Agriculture Organization, & both be
> merged under the US
> >Department of Agriculture.  USAID Administrator
> Andrew Natsios was
> >appointed head of UNDP, along with a merger of the
> two organizations.
> >The World Health Organization will be merged with
> the Centers for Disease
> >Control in Atlanta, combining their laboratory
> facilities and reducing
> >human resources, laboratory & security
> redundancies.  IFAD, UNCTAD & the
> >International Labor Organization will be
> privatized, sold off at auction
> >this summer, proceeds to be held in trust by the
> Republican National
> >Committee, which will have fiduciary authority over
> the whole UN network.
> >
> >- PAUL WOLFOWITZ UNFURLED HIS VISION OF REVITALIZED
> WORLD BANK
> >as part of overall UN reform as well.  The World
> Bank will be merged with
> >the US Department of Defense, helping to restore to
> the World Bank it's
> >original concentration on post-conflict
> reconstruction.  After being
> >installed as the new director of the World Bank,
> Wolfowitz admitted that
> >he had no experience in third world development,
> had never even thought
> >about it, & didn't care.  Both the World Bank & the
> US military have among
> >the largest budgets in the world.  The Bank's
> borrowing authority would
> >be extremely valuable to the Pentagon during times
> of war, as proven by
> >historian Nial Ferguson in his review of how the
> Netherlands & the UK out
> >-financed their rivals in wars over the last 400
> years.
> >
> >- HARSH REACTIONS TO THE NEW U.N. REFORM PLANS OF
> THE U.S. WERE GIVEN
> >by two critics of the US Administration's
> proposals.  On CNN's Larry King
> >Live, former US Ambassador to the UN, Richard
> Holbrooke said that he had
> >personally faced down Milosevic, he himself had
> known George Kennan, he
> >had introduced key humanitarian issues to the Sec.
> Council's agenda, &
> >he personally had a lot of important ideas.  In a
> NY Times op-ed this
> >morning, Earth Institute director Jeffrey Sachs
> wrote an essay about how,
> >as macro-economist focused on the Soviet Union &
> Bolivia in the 1980s, he
> >had little idea about the types of politics behind
> the scenes in the UN
> >System.  Sachs concluded, "the Millennium
> Development Goals (MDGs) still
> >inspire hope."   In an accompanying letter to the
> editor, U2 musician/
> >singer Bono wrote that almost everything he knows
> about the real world
> >he learned from Sachs or Bob Geldorf.
>
>_______________________________________________________________________
> >                April 1, 2005
> The Humanitarian Times
> >
> >  * to subscribe or unsubscribe to The Humanitarian
> Times,
> >    email:  Hum_Times04@msn.com
>
>_________________________________________________________________
> > * To subscribe or unsubscribe please email
> Hum_Times04@msn.com
>
> >-- Original Message --
> >From: ngenda@bluewin.ch
> >Subject: Re: [Africa-CS-WSIS]WSIS, Civil Society
> and Multi-Stakeholderism
> >To: africa@wsis-cs.org, africa@wsis-cs.org,
> plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >Cc: wsis-finance@yahoogroupes.fr
> >Reply-To: africa@wsis-cs.org
> >Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 14:18:11 +0200
> >
> >
> >Why are you so busy defining yourselves. We are
> Africans. Private, public
>
=== message truncated ===


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From mclauglm at po.muohio.edu  Sun Apr  3 16:58:48 2005
From: mclauglm at po.muohio.edu (mclauglm@po.muohio.edu)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: FW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the 
 Multi-Stakeholderism
In-Reply-To: <20050403145644.22472.qmail@web60706.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050403145644.22472.qmail@web60706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06010200be75c09c659f@[192.168.1.100]>

I think that we've broken a real barrier here--a 
gender barrier, actually. Rony referred to my 
apology to Djilali as sweet and kind, and Djilali 
apparently has assumed that I am a male. 
Generally, these are used as mutually 
incompatible references. So the internet really 
does facilitate gender ambiguity, as is stated in 
those Microsoft and MCI commercials:))

Sorry for cluttering up mailboxes with this observation,

Lisa


>Dear Sir,
>Thanks a lot for your reply and congratulations for
>the effort made to translate with French babel fish...
>Those who have the chance to deal with International
>NGO in the North with some financial capacity can try
>to help... the Civile society must be able to ensure
>correct and sustainable translation in 4 or 5
>languages.. our independancy begin with this
>improvement.... You can check than african wsis civil
>society list seemed to have find a first solution...
>because of they wont it
>Cher ami
>merci pour les efforts de traduire m?me avec babel
>fish... la soci?t? civile devrait avoir envie de
>r?soudre ce probl?me de traduction et quant on veut on
>peut comme l'a fait la liste de la SMSI soci?t? civile
>africaine. Notre cr?dibilit? passe par l?
>     
>--- mclauglm@po.muohio.edu wrote:
>>  Dear Djilali and others,
>>
>>  I apologize for my inability to express myself in
>>  languages besides English. My Spanish is not
>>  good, and I have no ability to write in French.
>>  Unfortunately, "google language tools" and "babel
>>  fish" translations do not help us to communicate
>>  well. I appreciate what you are saying very much,
>>  and ILO is an interesting example. So here is
>>  another practical issue regarding process and
>>  substance: how do we include everyone in respect
>>  to language when, individually, we do not have in
>  > common a first language?

From ecarll at optonline.net  Sun Apr  3 17:18:59 2005
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Humanitarian Times & Daily Show
In-Reply-To: <20050403151338.25782.qmail@web60706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCOELGIOAA.ecarll@optonline.net>

Djilali,

 I haven't read the Humanitarian Times before, as it appears much like an
international version of  the "Daily Show" with John Stewart, which is a
parody of TV news. A little humor on the typical negative reports in the
news.

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of djilali benamrane
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:14 AM
To: africa@wsis-cs.org; plenary@wsis-cs.org
Cc: wsis-finance@yahoogroupes.fr
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [Africa-CS-WSIS]RESIGNATION TO SECURITY
COUNCIL


I really hope that it is a jok... First April is used
by some to make such a jok...
If it is true i suppose that all high staff UN
assignements will be allowed to US citizens... Perhaps
also we shall have the privilege to have an american
Pope !
Interesting as global word management, but the History
is not finish and the next battle will be the battle
for international good governance and The US President
would probably like to lead the debate !
J'esphre que ce message est un poisson d'avril parce
que si tel itait le cas on aurait des souci ` nous
faire.
Un prochain pape amiricain ? un prisident amiricain
menant les dibats sur la gouvernance mondiale, autant
de raison peut-jtre pour voter oui au traiti
constitutionnel europien ultra libiral... O dieu de
l'enfer ! quel cauchemerd !

--- ngenda@bluewin.ch wrote:

> >-- Original Message --
> >Subject: Fw: NEWS FLASH
> >To: Heidi.Divecha@TheGlobalFund.org, "Tina Divecha"
> <DIVECHA@unhcr.ch>,
> >   "Nasim Bahar" <nasim.bahar@virgin.net>,
> anna.divecha@btconnect.com,
> >   doodiejules@yahoo.com, andrea.hess@fifa.org,
> rupina.jagasia@ch.pwc.com,
> >   "Ngenda Kigaraba" <ngenda@bluewin.ch>,
> Angela_Rose@cargill.com,
> >   SergePerrin@Djiboua.com,
> Susan_Cretenoud@capgroup.com
> >From: Delseta_Atkins@capgroup.com
> >Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 14:09:22 +0100
> >
> >   Delseta Atkins | The Capital Group Companies |
>
> >          Location: GVO2 | Extension: 74933
>
> > Outside: +41 22 807 4933 | E-mail:
> dxa@capgroup.com
>
> >
> >>>> <htimes@fcc.net> 01/04/2005 13:19:42 >>>
>
>_______________________________________________________________________
> >
> The Humanitarian Times
> >
>       April 1, 2005
> >
> >- U.N. SEC. GEN. KOFI ANNAN SUBMITTED HIS
> RESIGNATION TO SECURITY COUNCIL
> >first thing this morning, surprising many UN
> watchers who believed that
> >the oil-for-food scandal had not directly
> implicated him.  In a press
> >briefing early this morning, Annan said that the
> effectiveness of the UN
> >depended on a leadership that was not distracted by
> defensiveness over
> >scandals like this.
> >
> >- HEADS OF U.N. AGENCIES MET IN NEW YORK TO DISCUSS
> TRANSITION PLANS
> >this week.  Those UN agency heads who are American,
> Paul Wolfowitz of
> >the World Bank, Wendy Chamberlin of UNHCR, Anne
> Veneman of Unicef, James
> >Morris of the World Food Programme, Brunson
> McKinley of IOM, & others met
> >Tuesday in a new inter-agency coordination
> mechanism to better plan the
> >UN's operations in concert with American interests.
> >
> >- WHITE HOUSE RELEASES LONG-TERM ROAD-MAP FOR
> UNITED NATIONS' REFORM,
> >following the recent spate of UN Reform proposals,
> including the High
> >-Level Panel report and this month's "In Larger
> Freedom?" by the Sec
> >General.  The US Administration's proposal includes
> a number of mergers.
> >(more below)
> >
> >- ACTING SWIFLY IN RESPONSE TO THE SEC. GEN.
> VACANCY,
> >the US President appointed as interim Secretary
> General of the United
> >Nations his brother, Jeb Bush, who had been
> involved in goodwill
> >missions in Asia following the recent tsunami.
> When reminded that the
> >UN constitution prohibited the Sec. General being
> from one of the
> >permanent members of the Security Council, White
> House legal advisors
> >said that the US is not bound by that limited
> reading of an archaic &
> >inapplicable body of international law.  The USG
> said that it had
> >conferred with key allies in making the decision.
> When asked by BBC,
> >Prime Minister Tony Blair said that he had indeed
> been told of the
> >appointment by his White House superiors an hour
> before the decision
> >was issued.  In order to immediately effect UN
> reforms, the Pres. sent
> >army & marine brigades into New York City,
> surrounding the UN, &
> >closing its offices.  SRSG Lahkdar Brahmi has been
> asked to create an
> >interim coalition provisional authority to
> facilitate the two-year UN
> >transition.
>
>_______________________________________________________________________
> >                                REVIEW OF WHITE
> HOUSE PROPOSAL ON UN REFORM
> >
> >- U.S. POSITIONS ON U.N. REFORM INVOLVE
> EFFICIENCIES & CONSOLIDATIONS
> >as a number of agencies were merged, effective
> immediately by Presidential
> >Decision Directive this week.  Because of its
> brand-name value, Unicef was
> >maintained with the same name, under US control,
> but reporting directly
> to
> >the Republican National Committee.  The World Food
> Program would take over
> >the Food and Agriculture Organization, & both be
> merged under the US
> >Department of Agriculture.  USAID Administrator
> Andrew Natsios was
> >appointed head of UNDP, along with a merger of the
> two organizations.
> >The World Health Organization will be merged with
> the Centers for Disease
> >Control in Atlanta, combining their laboratory
> facilities and reducing
> >human resources, laboratory & security
> redundancies.  IFAD, UNCTAD & the
> >International Labor Organization will be
> privatized, sold off at auction
> >this summer, proceeds to be held in trust by the
> Republican National
> >Committee, which will have fiduciary authority over
> the whole UN network.
> >
> >- PAUL WOLFOWITZ UNFURLED HIS VISION OF REVITALIZED
> WORLD BANK
> >as part of overall UN reform as well.  The World
> Bank will be merged with
> >the US Department of Defense, helping to restore to
> the World Bank it's
> >original concentration on post-conflict
> reconstruction.  After being
> >installed as the new director of the World Bank,
> Wolfowitz admitted that
> >he had no experience in third world development,
> had never even thought
> >about it, & didn't care.  Both the World Bank & the
> US military have among
> >the largest budgets in the world.  The Bank's
> borrowing authority would
> >be extremely valuable to the Pentagon during times
> of war, as proven by
> >historian Nial Ferguson in his review of how the
> Netherlands & the UK out
> >-financed their rivals in wars over the last 400
> years.
> >
> >- HARSH REACTIONS TO THE NEW U.N. REFORM PLANS OF
> THE U.S. WERE GIVEN
> >by two critics of the US Administration's
> proposals.  On CNN's Larry King
> >Live, former US Ambassador to the UN, Richard
> Holbrooke said that he had
> >personally faced down Milosevic, he himself had
> known George Kennan, he
> >had introduced key humanitarian issues to the Sec.
> Council's agenda, &
> >he personally had a lot of important ideas.  In a
> NY Times op-ed this
> >morning, Earth Institute director Jeffrey Sachs
> wrote an essay about how,
> >as macro-economist focused on the Soviet Union &
> Bolivia in the 1980s, he
> >had little idea about the types of politics behind
> the scenes in the UN
> >System.  Sachs concluded, "the Millennium
> Development Goals (MDGs) still
> >inspire hope."   In an accompanying letter to the
> editor, U2 musician/
> >singer Bono wrote that almost everything he knows
> about the real world
> >he learned from Sachs or Bob Geldorf.
>
>_______________________________________________________________________
> >                April 1, 2005
> The Humanitarian Times
> >
> >  * to subscribe or unsubscribe to The Humanitarian
> Times,
> >    email:  Hum_Times04@msn.com
>
>_________________________________________________________________
> > * To subscribe or unsubscribe please email
> Hum_Times04@msn.com
>
> >-- Original Message --
> >From: ngenda@bluewin.ch
> >Subject: Re: [Africa-CS-WSIS]WSIS, Civil Society
> and Multi-Stakeholderism
> >To: africa@wsis-cs.org, africa@wsis-cs.org,
> plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >Cc: wsis-finance@yahoogroupes.fr
> >Reply-To: africa@wsis-cs.org
> >Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 14:18:11 +0200
> >
> >
> >Why are you so busy defining yourselves. We are
> Africans. Private, public
>
=== message truncated ===


Djilali Benamrane : dbenamrane@yahoo.com
Tel/fax : (227) 75 35 09 BP 11207 - Niamey - Niger
Til/Fax : (331) 01 45 39 77 02 Paris - France
Page web sur le SMSI (mecanismes de financement) : en cours de construction
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From pimienta at funredes.org  Sun Apr  3 20:03:58 2005
From: pimienta at funredes.org (Daniel Pimienta)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:45 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Language issues on the Plenary list... 1/2
In-Reply-To: <p0621021abe75af415aa2@[10.0.1.4]>
References: <200504030957_MC3-1-9A25-84A5@compuserve.com>
 <p0621021abe75af415aa2@[10.0.1.4]>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050403134212.03a82238@funredes.org>

First of all, let me agree that the language issue cannot be treated
as a secondary priority. Ce n'est pas un d?tail! Es una cuesti?n de respeto.

Before I comment and to give you an idea of how this would work. The 
original note of Robert Guerra would automatically be sent to a paralel 
discision list names <plenary@funredes.org> that way:
(Please understand the concatenation make it a large note and the lack of 
discipline of many unbscribers who do not send clean answers, only 
repeating the part of the message they want to answer and avoiding to 
leaving the whole original note behind their comments contribute toit.)

-------> MESSAGE ORIGINAL

let's remember that for this summit the official languages are ALL of the
following:

english, spanish, arabic, chinese, russian and yes ..french as well.

The call to move from "words" to specific actions - has been stated many
times on this forum before.

I commend the actions of the ICV, CONGO, CRIS campaign, APC, Panos and
other groups that have taken the task on to find resources and funding to
help facilitate, organize and help with logistics. Complaining is easy,
finding support - of any kind - is quite difficult and a challenge....but
one must try.

The issue of translation, better said the lack of it  - is well known, and
recognized . There have long been calls to do "something" so that  two of
the major official UN languages - spanish, and french - be accommodated.

Ronald in his earlier message seems to indicate that the "call to do
something" has been heard, not one, twice, but way too many times. In that
I agree. That being said - what to do... How can we move from "defining the
lack of a language translation resource" to "implementing a solution" ...be
it a short term or long term one...?

The solution - a potential one - might closer than most people think...Just
think about it - do we really think that this is the first time
"Translation of mailing list traffic from one language to another" has been
raised? I don't think so...

Has anyone bothered to do a bit of research on this ? why do i say
this..well, if they had they would have come up with contacts, projects and
potential resources that COULD be of help in this particular situation.

For example - just going a google search on "translation mailing lists"
reveals that this issue has been raised on the "Mistica" mailing list for
months..

MISTICA: Re: Auto-translation techniques
http://funredes.org/mistica/castellano/emec/produccion/memoria12/0130.html
http://funredes.org/mistica/castellano/emec/produccion/memoria12/0117.html

Mistica seems to have developed a system - already in place - that
translates automatically between english, spanish and yes French. I've
taken the liberty of cc'ing Daniel Pimineta from Mistica to get his
comments to know if  their "solution" might be of assistance to this list.
If it might be -  then it would indicate that the ICT tools we so much talk
about can in fact be used to assist communities from that are linguistic
divided (at least to a certain extent) be allowed to communicate.


regards

Robert








At 9:57 AM -0400 4/3/05, Ronald Koven wrote:
 >Dear All --
 >
 >I think this message to Djilali is extraordinarily sweet and kind.
 >
 >He does not hesitate to beat up on anyone and everyone who dares express
 >him/herself in the world's main vehicular language, and in rather insulting
 >terms at that.
 >
 >One might note that his complaint is only about people not speaking his own
 >language, French -- never in defense of Spanish Portuguese, Arabic,
 >Chinese, Russian, etc.
 >
 >Djilali, vous devez cesser de pleurnicher. C'est tjrs la meme rengaine. On
 >a compris que vous n'etes peut etre pas dou pour les langues. ?a devient
 >du spam (pour parler franglais) a la longue. Parlez nous plutot de choses
 >qui avancent les problematiques de fond auxquelles nous sommes confront es.
 >
 >Yours in exasperation over having my mailbox constantly cluttered with the
 >same complaint from the same source,
 >
 >Rony Koven
 >
 >
 >
 >_______________________________________________
 >Plenary mailing list
 >Plenary@wsis-cs.org
 >http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>






-------> ESPA?OL (ATENCION: LA SIGUIENTE ES UNA TRADUCCION AUTOMATICA NO 
REVISADA)

recordemos que para esta cumbre las idiomas oficiales son TODO EL
siguiente:

ingl?s, espa?ol, ?rabe, chino, ruso y s?..french tambi?n.

La llamada a moverse desde "palabras" a las acciones espec?ficas - se
ha indicado muchas veces en este foro antes.

Elogio a las acciones de el ICV, a la campa?a de CONGO, de CRIS, al
APC, a Panos y a otros grupos que han llevado la tarea encendido los
recursos del hallazgo y el financiamiento para ayudar a facilitar, a
organizar y a ayudar con log?stica. El quejarse es f?cil, encontrar
la ayuda -  de la clase - es absolutamente dif?cil y un
desaf?o....but uno debe intentar.

La aplicaci?n la traducci?n, mejor dijo la carencia de ella - es
bien sabido, y reconocido. Ha habido de largo llamadas para hacer
"algo" para acomodar dos de las idiomas principales del funcionario la
O.N.U - espa?oles, y franceses -.

Ronald en su mensaje anterior se parece indicar que la "llamada para
hacer algo" se ha o?do, no uno, dos veces, sino manera tambi?n
muchas veces. En ?se convengo. El ese ser dichos - qu? a hacer...
C?mo pueda nos movemos desde "definir la carencia de un recurso de la
traducci?n de la lengua" "que pone una soluci?n en ejecucio'n"...
sea un corto plazo o el largo plazo uno...?

?La soluci?n - potencial - pudo m?s cerca que la mayor?a de
la gente pensar... apenas piensan de ella - realmente pensamos que
?sta es "traducci?n del tr?fico de la lista que env?a a partir de
una lengua a otra" se ha levantado la primera vez? No pienso tan...

?Cualquier persona ha incomodado hacer un poco investigaci?n
sobre esto? porqu? lo hago diga this..well, si ?l lo tuviera habr?a
venido para arriba con los contactos, los proyectos y los recursos del
potencial que PODR?AN estar de ayuda en esta situaci?n particular.

Por ejemplo - apenas yendo una b?squeda del google en la "traducci?n
que env?a listas" revela que esta edici?n se ha planteado en la
lista que enviaba de "Mistica" por meses.

MISTICA: Re:  Autotranslaci?n t?cnicos
http://funredes.org/mistica/castellano/emec/produccion/memoria12/0130.html

http://funredes.org/mistica/castellano/emec/produccion/memoria12/0117.html

Mistica se parece haber desarrollado un sistema - ya en lugar que
traduce autom?ticamente entre ingl?s, espa?ol y s? franc?s. He
tomado la libertad de cc'ing a Daniel Pimineta de Mistica para
familiarizar con sus comentarios si su "soluci?n" pudo estar de ayuda
a esta lista. Si puede ser que sea - entonces indicar?a que el ICT
nos filetea tanto habla se puede en hecho utilizar asistir a
comunidades de eso es ling??stico dividido (por lo menos hasta
cierto punto) est? permitido para comunicarse.


respeto

Roberto








En 9:57 -0400 4/3/05, Ronald Koven escribi?:

 > Querido Todos --
 >
 > Pienso que este mensaje a Djilali es extraordinario dulce y
 > clase.
 >
 > ?l no vacila batir para arriba en cualquier persona y cada uno que se
 > atreva him/herself expreso en la lengua de veh?culos principal del
 > mundo, y en algo insultar llama en eso.
 >
 > Uno pudo observar que su queja est? solamente sobre la gente que no
 > habla su propia lengua, franc?s -- nunca en defensa de portugu?s
 > espa?ol, ?rabe, chino, ruso, etc.
 >
 > Djilali, deben dejar de lloriquear. Es tjrs el mismo reng. Se
 > comprendi? que etes no pueden no ser dou para las lenguas. ' a pasa
 > a ser del spam (para hablar frangl?s) a la larga.' Hable nosotros
 > m?s bien de cosas que avanzan el problematiques de fondo a las cuales
 > son confront es.
 >
 > El tuyo en el excedente de la exasperaci?n que hace mi caja estorbar
 > constantemente con la misma queja de la misma fuente,
 >
 > Rony Koven
 >
 >
 >
 > _______________________________________________ Lista que
 > env?a plenaria Plenary@wsis-cs.org
 > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
 >


### Robert Guerra Privaterra -



-------> ENGLISH (WARNING: THE FOLLOWING IS A NOT REVISED AUTOMATIC 
TRANSLATION)

let's remember that for this summit the official languages are ALL of the
following:

english, spanish, arabic, chinese, russian and yes ..french as well.

The call to move from "words" to specific actions - has been stated many
times on this forum before.

I commend the actions of the ICV, CONGO, CRIS campaign, APC, Panos and
other groups that have taken the task on to find resources and funding to
help facilitate, organize and help with logistics. Complaining is easy,
finding support - of any kind - is quite difficult and a challenge....but
one must try.

The issue of translation, better said the lack of it  - is well known, and
recognized . There have long been calls to do "something" so that  two of
the major official UN languages - spanish, and french - be accommodated.

Ronald in his earlier message seems to indicate that the "call to do
something" has been heard, not one, twice, but way too many times. In that
I agree. That being said - what to do... How can we move from "defining the
lack of a language translation resource" to "implementing a solution" ...be
it a short term or long term one...?

The solution - a potential one - might closer than most people think...Just
think about it - do we really think that this is the first time
"Translation of mailing list traffic from one language to another" has been
raised? I don't think so...

Has anyone bothered to do a bit of research on this ? why do i say
this..well, if they had they would have come up with contacts, projects and
potential resources that COULD be of help in this particular situation.

For example - just going a google search on "translation mailing lists"
reveals that this issue has been raised on the "Mistica" mailing list for
months..



MISTICA: Re: Car-translation techniques
http://funredes.org/mistica/castellano/emec/produccion/memoria12/0130.html

http://funredes.org/mistica/castellano/emec/produccion/memoria12/0117.html

Mistica seems to have developed a system - already in place - that
translates automatically between english, spanish and yes French. I've
taken the liberty of cc'ing Daniel Pimineta from Mistica to get his
comments to know if  their "solution" might be of assistance to this list.
If it might be -  then it would indicate that the ICT tools we so much talk
about can in fact be used to assist communities from that are linguistic
divided (at least to a certain extent) be allowed to communicate.


regards

Robert








At 9:57 AM -0400 4/3/05, Ronald Koven wrote:

 > Dear All --
 >
 > I think this message to Djilali is extraordinarily sweet and kind.
 >
 > He does not hesitate to beat up on anyone and everyone who dares express
 > him/herself in the world's main vehicular language, and in rather insulting
 > terms at that.
 >
 > One might note that his complaint is only about people not speaking his own
 > language, French -- never in defense of Spanish Portuguese, Arabic,
 > Chinese, Russian, etc.
 >
 >
 >
 > Djilali, you must cease pleurnicher. It is tjrs same the rengaine. It
 > was understood that you etes cannot be not dou for the languages. ' A
 > becomes Spam (to speak Franglais) has the long one. Rather speak us
 > about things which advance the problematic basic ones to which we are
 > confront es.
 >
 > Yours in exasperation over having my mailbox constantly cluttered with the
 > same complaint from the same source,
 >
 > Rony Koven
 >
 >
 >
 > _______________________________________________
 > Plenary mailing list
 > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
 > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
 >
 >
 >


-- ### Robert Privaterra War -



-------> FRANCAIS (ATTENTION: CECI EST UNE TRADUCTION AUTOMATIQUE NON REVISEE

rappelons-nous que pour ce sommet les langues officielles sont TOUTE
LA ce qui suit :

anglais, espagnol, arabe, chinois, Russe et oui..french aussi bien.

L'appel ? d?placer des "mots" aux actions sp?cifiques - a ?t?
?nonc? beaucoup de fois sur ce forum avant.

Je recommande les actions de l'ICV, la campagne du CONGO, du CRIS, le
RPA, le Panos et d'autres groupes qui ont pris le charger dessus
aux ressources de trouvaille et au placement pour aider ? faciliter,
organiser et aider avec la logistique. Se plaindre est facile, la
conclusion de l'appui -  de la sorte - est tout ? fait difficile et
un d?fi....but un doit essayer.

La question de la traduction, meilleure a indiqu? le manque d'elle -
est bien connu, et reconnu. Il y a longtemps eu des appels pour faire
"quelque chose" de sorte que deux des langues principales du
fonctionnaire l'ONU - Espagnols, et Fran?ais - soient adapt?s.

Ronald dans son message plus t?t semble ne pas indiquer que
l'"appel pour faire quelque chose" a ?t? entendu, un, deux fois,
mais la mani?re trop de fois. C'est-?-dire je conviens. Ce ?tre
dits - ce qui ? faire... Comment osez nous nous d?pla?ons de
"d?finir le manque d'une ressource de traduction de langue" "mettant
en application une solution"... que ce soit un court nommons ou le
long terme un... ?

La solution - potentielle - pourrait plus ?troitement que la
plupart des personnes penser... pensent juste cela - pensons-nous
vraiment que c'est la premi?re fois "traduction du trafic
d'exp?dition de liste d'une langue ? l'autre" a ?t? augment?e ?
Je ne pense pas ainsi...

Est-ce que n'importe qui a pris la peine de faire un peu de
recherche sur ceci ? pourquoi  je dites this..waune, s'ils les
avaient auraient fourni des contacts, des projets et des ressources de
potentiel qui POURRAIENT ?tre utiles dans cette situation
particuli?re.

Par exemple - juste allant une recherche de google sur la "traduction
exp?diant des listes" indique que cette question a ?t? augment?e
sur la liste d'exp?dition de "Mistica" pendant des mois.

MISTICA: Re: Auto-translation techniques
http://funredes.org/mistica/castellano/emec/produccion/memoria12/0130.html
http://funredes.org/mistica/castellano/emec/produccion/memoria12/0117.html



Mistica semble avoir d?velopp? un syst?me - d?j? en place que
traduit automatiquement entre anglais, l'espagnol et oui fran?ais.
J'ai pris la libert? de cc'ing Daniel Pimineta de Mistica pour finir
par ses commentaires pour savoir si leur "solution" pourrait ?tre
d'aide ? cette liste. Si elle pourrait ?tre - alors elle indiquerait
qu'on laisse l'ICT nous usine parle tellement peut en fait ?tre
employ? pour aider les communaut?s de cela est linguistique divis?
(au moins dans une certaine mesure) communiquer.


respect

Robert








? 9:57 AM -0400 4/3/05, Ronald Koven a ?crit :

 > Cher Tous --
 >
 > Je pense que ce message ? Djilali est extraordinairement
 > bonbon et sorte.
 >
 > Il n'h?site pas ? battre vers le haut sur n'importe qui et chacun
 > qui osent him/herself expr?s dans la langue v?hiculaire principale
 > du monde, et en insultant plut?t nomme ? cela.
 >
 > L'on a pourrait noter que sa plainte est seulement au sujet des
 > personnes ne parlant pas sa propre langue, Fran?ais -- jamais ? la
 > d?fense de portugais espagnol, arabe, chinois, russe, etc...
 >
 > Djilali, vous devez cesser de pleurnicher. C'est tjrs la meme rengaine. On
 > a compris que vous n'etes peut etre pas dou pour les langues. ?a devient
 > du spam (pour parler franglais) a la longue. Parlez nous plutot de choses
 > qui avancent les problematiques de fond auxquelles nous sommes confront es.
 >
 >
 >
 > V?tre dans l'exc?dent d'exasp?ration faisant encombrer constamment ma
 > bo?te aux lettres avec la m?me plainte de la m?me source,
 >
 > Rony Koven
 >
 >
 >
 > _______________________________________________ Liste
 > d'exp?dition pl?ni?re Plenary@wsis-cs.org
 > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/facteur/listinfo/plenary
 >


-- ### Robert Guerra Privaterra -



-------> PORTUGUES (ADVERTENCIA: A TRADUCAO SEGUINTE E UMA TRADUCAO 
AUTOMATICA NAO REVISADA)

deixe-nos recordar que para este summit as l?nguas oficiais s?o TODO
O seguinte:

ingl?s, espanhol, ?rabe, chin?s, russian e sim..french tamb?m.

A chamada a mover-se das "palavras" para a??es espec?ficas - tem
sido indicada muitas vezes neste forum antes.

Eu elog?o as a??es do ICV, a campanha de CONGO, de CRIS, o APC, o
Panos e os outros grupos que fizeram exame da tarefa sobre aos
recursos do achado e a financiar para ajudar facilitar, organizar e
ajudar com log?stica. Queixar-se ? f?cil, encontrar a sustenta??o
-  do tipo - ? completamente dif?cil e um desafio....but um deve
tentar.

A introdu??o da tradu??o, melhor disse a falta dela - ? sabido
bem, e reconhecido. Tem havido por muito tempo umas chamadas para
fazer "algo" de modo que dois das l?nguas principais dos UN do
oficial - espanh?is, e franceses - fossem acomodados.

Ronald em sua mensagem mais adiantada parece indicar que a "chamada
para fazer algo" est?ve ouvida, n?o um, duas vezes, mas a maneira
demasiado muitas vezes. Naquele eu concordo. Esse ser ditos - que a
fazer... Como possa n?s movemo-nos de "definir a falta de um recurso
da tradu??o da l?ngua" "que executa uma solu??o"... sejamos ele
que um curto denomina ou o prazo um...?

A solu??o - potencial - p?de mais perto do que a maioria de
povos pensar... pensam apenas sobre ela - n?s pensamos realmente de
que esta ? "tradu??o do tr?fego enviando da lista de uma l?ngua a
outra" tem sido levantada a primeira vez? Eu n?o penso assim...

Qualquer um incomodou-se fazer um pouco de pesquisa sobre este?
porque  eu diga this..well, se o tiver vier acima com contatos,
projetos e recursos do potencial que PODERIAM ser da ajuda nesta
situa??o particular.

Para o exemplo - apenas indo uma busca do google a "tradu??o que
envia listas" revela que esta edi??o est?ve levantada na lista
enviando de "Mistica" por meses.

MISTICA: Re:  Autotradu??o t?cnica
http://funredes.org/mistica/castellano/emec/produccion/memoria12/0130.html

http://funredes.org/mistica/castellano/emec/produccion/memoria12/0117.html

_ Mistica pare? t desenvolv um sistema - j? lugar que traduz
autom?tico entre ingl?s, espanhol e sim franc?s. _ eu t fa? exame
liberdade cc'ing daniel Pimineta Mistica come? seu coment se se seu
"solu??o" poss est aux?lio este lista. _ se poss est - ent?o indic
que ICT ferramenta n?s assim muito fal sobre poss fato est used ajud
comunidade que est ling??stico divided (ao menos um certo extens?o)
est permit comunic.


_
_ consider

_ robert








_ 9:57 EST -0400 4/3/05, Ronald Koven escrev:

_
_
 > _ Caro Todo --
 >
 > _ eu pens este mensagem Djilali est extraordin?rio doce e
 > am?vel.
 >
 > _
 > _ ele n?o hesitate bat acima qualquer um e todos que ous express
 > him/herself mundo principal vehicular l?ngua, e rather insulting
 > termo que.
 >
 > _
 > _ um poss nota que seu queixa est somente sobre pessoa n?o speaking
 > seu pr?prio l?ngua, franc?s -- nunca defesa espanhol portuguese,
 > ?rabe, chin?s, russian, etc.. _
 >
 > Djilali, deve cessar de pleurnicher. ? tjrs a mesma rengaine.
 > Compreendeu-se que etes n?o pode n?o ser dou para as l?nguas. ' a
 > torna-se do spam (para falar franglais) a prazo.' _ falar n?s antes
 > coisa que avan?ar problematiques fundo ao qual n?s ser confront es.
 >
 > Seu no excesso do exasperation que tem minha caixa postal desordenada
 > constantemente com a mesma queixa da mesma fonte,
 >
 > Rony Koven
 >
 >
 >
 > _______________________________________________ Lista enviando
 > plenary Plenary@wsis-cs.org
 > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
 >


-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>



From mjr at dsl.pipex.com  Sun Apr  3 19:27:05 2005
From: mjr at dsl.pipex.com (MJ Ray)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: FW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the   Multi-Stakeholderism
In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun, 3 Apr 2005 08:23:09 -0700 (PDT) 
	<20050403152309.48994.qmail@web60702.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050403152309.48994.qmail@web60702.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E1DI9oP-0005R0-00@pipe.localnet>

> Let's together plead for main languages spoken in
> Africa ! Arabic, English, French, portuguese and spanish.

Ne, internacia lingvo (esperanto) estas parolenda. Cxiuj homoj
uzus duan lingvon. Estus pli justa.


From pimienta at funredes.org  Sun Apr  3 20:28:17 2005
From: pimienta at funredes.org (Daniel Pimienta)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Language issues on the Plenary list... 2/2
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050403152424.033c4cf8@funredes.org>

-------> MESSAGE ORIGINAL

Robert Guerra have written:
 >I've taken the liberty of cc'ing Daniel Pimineta from Mistica to get his
 >comments to know if  their "solution" might be of assistance to this list.
You have seen the length of the test message and the poor quality of
translation.
Yet this help. And is people make efforts to write simple sentence and
follow simple rules the result can be amazingly faithful.

The system can accomodate several options and it is not a must to have a
concatenation of the languages (but the more sophisticated the more cost).
Also, if there is interest to bring a better quality to what is NOT a
translation but an aid to mutual understanding, it is always possible to
add human value on the process and eitheir do a pre revision or a post
revision (of course this add a variable cost proportional to the traffic to
the total cost). Also the system detects automatically the language, if
there is a mix of languages then the original language will have to be
repeated.
I dont want to make a long digression on those system we are using in
several projects since a long time ago (see http;//cardicis.org,
http://funredes.org/salsa as two examples). As a general rule, although
this is not a must, the system works much better in a moderated list where
disc?pline in infoecology is performed.

To simplify, I have shown the most economical approach: peope who wants
translation will subscribe to a parallel list and will receive this long
type of messages. The system is based on an automatic web interface and is
not 100% stable (once on a while they are gitches to be monitored).

Although it is automatized it is not a free lunch because it requires to be
closely monitored and there is always some indirect tasks which are implied
(from list management, to problem nanagement, to changes in the interface,
including spam management and server management...).

This is not the best moment for Funredes, which is in a process of
reorganization with less technical staff, to offer solidarity. I will
discuss with my team and see what it is possible to do. If not possible now
for Funredes to offer a free of charge service, I see as a possibility to
contract directly a person who was our system admin and is now a freelance
consultant to set up and monitor this specific service (I dont like the
idea of Funredes receiving directly money for a service to the WSIS civil
society list!). I would guess the cost would not exceed few thousand US$
per year.

Daniel Pimienta
http://funredes.org





-------> ESPA?OL (ATENCION: LA SIGUIENTE ES UNA TRADUCCION AUTOMATICA NO 
REVISADA)

Roberto Guerra ha escrito:

 > He tomado la libertad de cc'ing a Daniel Pimineta de Mistica para
 > familiarizar con sus comentarios si su "soluci?n" pudo estar de ayuda
 > a esta lista.
 >
Usted ha visto la longitud del mensaje de la prueba y la mal calidad
de la traducci?n. Con todo esta ayuda. La American National Standard
es gente hace esfuerzos de escribir la oraci?n simple y seguir reglas
simples el resultado puede ser asombroso fiel.

El sistema puede acomodar varias opciones y no es a debe tener un
encadenamiento de las idiomas (pero del sofisticado m?s coste).
Tambi?n, si hay inter?s de traer una calidad mejor a cu?l es UNA NO
traducci?n sino una ayuda a la comprensi?n mutua, es siempre posible
agregar valor humano en el proceso y el eitheir hace pre una revisi?n
o una revisi?n del poste (por supuesto ?ste agrega un coste variable
proporcional al tr?fico al coste total). Tambi?n el sistema detecta
autom?ticamente la lengua, si hay una mezcla de idiomas entonces que
la lengua original tendr? que ser repetida. No deseo hacer una
digresi?n larga en esos el sistema que estamos utilizando en varios
proyectos puesto que hace un rato largo (v?ase http;//cardicis.org,
http://funredes.org/salsa como dos ejemplos). Como regla general,
aunque no es ?sta a debe, el sistema trabaja mucho mejor en una lista
moderada donde el disc?pline en infoecology se realiza.

Para simplificar, he demostrado el acercamiento m?s econ?mico: el
peope que desea la traducci?n suscribir? a una lista paralela y
recibir? este tipo largo de mensajes. El sistema se basa en un
interfaz autom?tico de la tela y no es establo del 100% (en un rato
son una vez gitches que se supervisar?n).

Aunque se automatiza no es un almuerzo libre porque requiere para ser
supervisado de cerca y hay siempre algunas tareas indirectas se
implican que (de la gerencia de la lista, al nanagement del problema,
a los cambios en el interfaz, incluyendo la gerencia del Spam y la
gerencia del servidor...).

?ste no es el mejor momento para Funredes, que est? en un
proceso de la reorganizaci?n con el personal menos t?cnico, para
ofrecer solidaridad. Discutir? con mi equipo y ver? cu?l es posible
hacer. Si es no posible ahora para que Funredes ofrezca un libre del
servicio de la carga, veo como posibilidad para contraer directamente
a una persona que era nuestro sistema admin y ahora sea un consultor
independiente para instalar y para supervisar este servicio
espec?fico (dont de I como la idea de Funredes que recibe
directamente el dinero para un servicio a la lista civil de la
sociedad de WSIS!). Conjeturar?a que el coste no exceder?a poco mil
USS por a?o.

Daniel Pimienta
http://funredes.org




-------> ENGLISH (WARNING: THE FOLLOWING IS A NOT REVISED AUTOMATIC 
TRANSLATION)

Robert Guerra have written:

 > I've taken the liberty of cc'ing Daniel Pimineta from Mistica to get his
 > comments to know if  their "solution" might be of assistance to this list.
 >
You have seen the length of the test message and the poor quality of
translation.
Yet this help. Ans is people make efforts to write simple sentence and
follow simple rules the result can be amazingly faithful.

The system can accomodate several options and it is not a must to have a
concatenation of the languages (but the more sophisticated the more cost).
Also, if there is interest to bring a better quality to what is NOT a
translation but an aid to mutual understanding, it is always possible to
add human value on the process and eitheir do a pre revision or a post
revision (of course this add a variable cost proportional to the traffic to
the total cost). Also the system detects automatically the language, if
there is a mix of languages then the original language will have to be
repeated.
I dont want to make a long digression on those system we are using in
several projects since a long time ago (see http;//cardicis.org,
http://funredes.org/salsa as two examples). As a general rule, although
this is not a must, the system works much better in a moderated list where
disc?pline in infoecology is performed.

To simplify, I have shown the most economical approach: peope who wants
translation will subscribe to a parallel list and will receive this long
type of messages. The system is based on an automatic web interface and is
not 100% stable (once on a while they are gitches to be monitored).

Although it is automatized it is not a free lunch because it requires to be
closely monitored and there is always some indirect tasks which are implied
(from list management, to problem nanagement, to changes in the interface,
including spam management and server management...).

This is not the best moment for Funredes, which is in a process of
reorganization with less technical staff, to offer solidarity. I will
discuss with my team and see what it is possible to do. If not possible now
for Funredes to offer a free of charge service, I see as a possibility to
contract directly a person who was our system admin and is now a freelance
consultant to set up and monitor this specific service (I dont like the
idea of Funredes receiving directly money for a service to the WSIS civil
society list!). I would guess the cost would not exceed few thousand US$
per year.



Daniel Pepper http://funredes.org



-------> FRANCAIS (ATTENTION: CECI EST UNE TRADUCTION AUTOMATIQUE NON REVISEE

Robert Guerra ont ?crit :

 > J'ai pris la libert? de cc'ing Daniel Pimineta de Mistica pour finir
 > par ses commentaires pour savoir si leur "solution" pourrait ?tre
 > d'aide ? cette liste.
 >
Vous avez vu la longueur du message d'essai et la qualit? inf?rieure
de la traduction. Pourtant cette aide. L'american national standard
est les gens font des efforts d'?crire la phrase simple et suivre des
r?gles simples le r?sultat peut ?tre ?tonnamment fid?le.

Le syst?me peut adapter ? plusieurs options et ce n'est pas a doit
avoir une concat?nation des langues (mais du plus plus de co?t) est
plus sophistiqu?. En outre, s'il y a int?r?t d'apporter une
meilleure qualit? ? ce qui n'est pas une traduction mais une aide ?
l'arrangement mutuel, il est toujours possible d'ajouter la valeur
humaine sur le processus et l'eitheir font pr? une r?vision ou une
r?vision de poteau (naturellement ceci ajoutent un co?t variable
proportionnel au trafic ? tout le co?t). En outre le syst?me
d?tecte automatiquement la langue, s'il y a un m?lange des langues
alors que la langue originale devra ?tre r?p?t?e. Je ne veux pas
faire ? une longue digression sur des ces le syst?me que nous
employons dans plusieurs projets puisqu'il y a un long temps (voir
http;//cardicis.org, le http://funredes.org/salsa en tant que deux
exemples). En r?gle g?n?rale, bien que ce ne soit pas a doit, le
syst?me travaille bien mieux dans une liste mod?r?e o? le
disc?pline dans l'infoecology est ex?cut?.

Pour simplifier, j'ai montr? l'approche la plus ?conomique : le
peope qui veut la traduction souscrira ? une liste parall?le et
recevra ce long type de messages. Le syst?me est bas? sur une
interface automatique d'encha?nement et n'est pas ?curie de 100%
(une fois un moment ils sont des gitches ? surveiller).

Bien qu'il soit automatis? ce n'est pas un d?jeuner libre parce
qu'il exige pour ?tre ?troitement surveill? et il y a toujours un
certain indirect charge qui est impliqu? (de la gestion de
liste, au nanagement de probl?me, aux changements de l'interface, y
compris la gestion de Spam et la gestion de serveur...).

Ce n'est pas le meilleur moment pour Funredes, qui est dans un
processus de r?organisation avec le personnel moins technique, pour
offrir la solidarit?. Je discuterai avec mon ?quipe et verrai ce
qu'il est possible de faire. Si non possible maintenant pour que
Funredes offre un exempt du service de charge, je vois comme
possibilit? pour contracter directement une personne qui ?tait notre
syst?me admin et est maintenant un conseiller ind?pendant pour
?tablir et surveiller ce service sp?cifique (dont de I comme l'id?e
de Funredes recevant directement l'argent pour un service ? la liste
civile de soci?t? de WSIS !). Je devinerais que le co?t
n'exc?derait pas peu de mille USS par an.

Daniel Poivre http://funredes.org



-------> PORTUGUES (ADVERTENCIA: A TRADUCAO SEGUINTE E UMA TRADUCAO 
AUTOMATICA NAO REVISADA)

Robert Guerra escreveu:

 > Eu fiz exame da liberdade de cc'ing Daniel Pimineta de Mistica para
 > conhecer seus coment?rios se sua "solu??o" pudesse ser do aux?lio
 > a esta lista.
 >
Voc? viu o comprimento da mensagem do teste e a qualidade pobre da
tradu??o. Contudo esta ajuda. A American National Standard ? pessoa
faz esfor?os escrever a senten?a simples e para seguir r?guas
simples o resultado pode ser surpreendente fiel.

O sistema pode acomodar diversas op??es e n?o ? a deve ter uma
concatena??o das l?nguas (mas do mais sofisticado mais custo).
Tamb?m, se houver um interesse trazer uma qualidade melhor a o que ?
uma N?O tradu??o mas um dae (dispositivo autom?tico de entrada) ?
compreens?o m?tua, ? sempre poss?vel adicionar o valor humano no
processo e o eitheir faz pre uma revis?o ou uma revis?o do borne
(naturalmente este adiciona um custo vari?vel proporcional ao
tr?fego ao custo total). Tamb?m o sistema detecta automaticamente a
l?ngua, se houver uma mistura das l?nguas ent?o que a l?ngua
original ter? que ser repetida. Eu n?o quero fazer a um digression
longo naqueles o sistema que n?s nos estamos usando em diversos
projetos desde que uma estadia longa h? (veja http;//cardicis.org,
http://funredes.org/salsa como dois exemplos). Em regra geral, embora
este n?o seja a deve, o sistema trabalha muito mais melhor em uma
lista moderada onde o disc?pline no infoecology seja executado.

Para simplificar, eu mostrei a aproxima??o a mais econ?mica: o
peope que quer a tradu??o subscrever? a uma lista paralela e
receber? este tipo longo de mensagens. O sistema ? baseado em uma
rela??o autom?tica da correia fotorreceptora e n?o ? est?bulo de
100% (uma vez em um quando s?o gitches a ser monitorados).

Embora automatized n?o ? um lunch livre porque requer para ser
monitorado pr?xima e h? sempre algumas tarefas indiretas que s?o
implicadas (da ger?ncia da lista, ao nanagement do problema, ?s
mudan?as na rela??o, including a ger?ncia do Spam e a ger?ncia do
usu?rio...).

Este n?o ? o mais melhor momento para Funredes, que est? em
um processo do reorganization com a equipe de funcion?rios mais menos
t?cnica, para oferecer o solidarity. Eu discutirei com minha equipe e
verei o que ? poss?vel fazer. Se nao poss?vel agora para que
Funredes ofere?a um livre do servi?o da carga, eu v como uma
possibilidade para contrair diretamente uma pessoa que seja nosso
sistema admin e seja agora um consultante freelance para ajustar acima
e monitorar este servi?o espec?fico (dont de I como a id?ia de
Funredes que recebe diretamente o dinheiro para um servi?o ? lista
civil da sociedade de WSIS!). Eu suporia que o custo n?o excederia
pouco mil USS por o ano.

Daniel Pimenta http://funredes.org



From tracey at traceynaughton.com  Mon Apr  4 00:15:26 2005
From: tracey at traceynaughton.com (Tracey Naughton)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] linguistic barriers - resist them don't let them stop us
In-Reply-To: <p06010200be75c09c659f@[192.168.1.100]>
References: <20050403145644.22472.qmail@web60706.mail.yahoo.com> <p06010200be75c09c659f@[192.168.1.100]>
Message-ID: <7e5bea7fdd28a9f2ff599ac22838dfb9@traceynaughton.com>

Yes Lisa and Rony and Dijilali

It was a sweet exchange. So much so for the articulation of the change 
in tone.

But it's hard to be so nice all the time, and mailboxes do get 
cluttered, and we do hear, and we do forget to say we hear, and thanks 
Rony for that.

And as imperfect as they are I have longed for a translation tool.

Right now I would like to be heard AND understood in Urdu and 
Mongolian, but French would be good too,

and though tone and words can be so revealing, real words, spoken in 
mother tongue,  speak volumes in the reality of communication, so we 
have to practice human rights too, and be tolerant and accommodating  
(of babel fish, and other misunderstandings, until they are 
superseded).

We cannot expect a perfect solution, yet - but we are in a position to 
argue that best practice and research should be applied to the problem, 
especially since we can now contact each other.

Tracey


< Babel angel translation >

  * . * (\ *** /) * .
    * * ( \(_)/ ) *  *
     *   (_/ \_) . *
.    *   /___\ * . *


Oui Lisa et Rony et Dijilali

C'?tait un ?change doux. Tellement ainsi pour l'articulation du 
changement de la tonalit?.

Mais il est difficile d'?tre si gentil toute l'heure, et les bo?tes aux 
lettres obtiennent encombr?es, et nous entendons, et nous oublions de 
dire que nous entendons, et remercions Rony de celui.

Et aussi imparfait qu'elles sont moi ont d?sir? ardemment pour un outil 
de traduction.  En ce moment je voudrais ?tre entendu ET compris dans 
Urdu et mongol, mais le Fran?ais serait bon aussi,  et bien que la 
tonalit? et les mots puissent ainsi indiquer, les vrais mots, parl?s 
dans la langue maternelle, parlent des volumes en r?alit? de 
communication, ainsi nous devons pratiquer des droits de l'homme aussi, 
et soyons tol?rants et s'adapter (des poissons de Babel, et d'autres 
malentendus, jusqu'? ce qu'ils soient remplac?s).

Nous ne pouvons pas nous attendre ? une solution parfaite, pourtant - 
mais nous sommes en mesure pour arguer du fait que la meilleures 
pratique et recherche devraient ?tre appliqu?es au probl?me, d'autant 
plus que nous pouvons maintenant nous contacter.

hee hee

it looks so long in Babel Angel French..

Tracey


Tracey Naughton
NYAKA
Communication for Development Consultant
201 Somerset hall
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From anriette at apc.org  Mon Apr  4 08:45:48 2005
From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] linguistic barriers - resist them don't let them stop us
In-Reply-To: <7e5bea7fdd28a9f2ff599ac22838dfb9@traceynaughton.com>
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Hallo all

One further addition to make to this discussion about language. I 
support many useful points made by others already.

It would be very helpful to have a tool to assist with mailing list 
translation and I think the work being done by Funredes and their 
partners is really groundbreaking. 

But it will be much easier to address our multi-lingualism (with such 
tools, and without) if people practice better list etiquette. E.g. if 
participants submitted their ideas and positions in the form of:

-proposals
-articles
-position or discussion pieces
-stories, experiences, etc.

Such documents or messages can then be translated by volunteer 
translators or by organisations that have the capacity to provide or 
facilitate translation. 

It is simply not feasible to expect such resources to be applied to the 
translation of quite personalised discussions dominated by a few 
individuals.

In other words, people should spent more time on expressing their 
actual ideas about the topics under discussion, in whatever language 
works best for them. 

Anriette


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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  4 09:10:10 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [Africa-CS-WSIS]RESIGNATION TO SECURITY COUNCIL
In-Reply-To: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCCELFIOAA.ecarll@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20050404081010.76056.qmail@web60704.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Elizabeth,
You are right... No media elaborate about it...
Let's forget it and return to our problems.
Best regards
 
--- "Elizabeth Carll, PhD" <ecarll@optonline.net>
wrote:

> It would seem to be April Fool's humor, based on the
> following also from the
> report below:
> 
> > >- ACTING SWIFLY IN RESPONSE TO THE SEC. GEN.
> > VACANCY,
> > >the US President appointed as interim Secretary
> > General of the United
> > >Nations his brother, Jeb Bush, who had been
> > involved in goodwill
> > >missions in Asia following the recent tsunami.
> > When reminded that the
> > >UN constitution prohibited the Sec. General being
> > from one of the
> > >permanent members of the Security Council, White
> > House legal advisors
> > >said that the US is not bound by that limited
> > reading of an archaic &
> > >inapplicable body of international law.  The USG
> > said that it had
> > >conferred with key allies in making the decision.
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org
> [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> Behalf Of djilali benamrane
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:14 AM
> To: africa@wsis-cs.org; plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Cc: wsis-finance@yahoogroupes.fr
> Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re:
> [Africa-CS-WSIS]RESIGNATION TO SECURITY
> COUNCIL
> 
> 
> I really hope that it is a jok... First April is
> used
> by some to make such a jok...
> If it is true i suppose that all high staff UN
> assignements will be allowed to US citizens...
> Perhaps
> also we shall have the privilege to have an american
> Pope !
> Interesting as global word management, but the
> History
> is not finish and the next battle will be the battle
> for international good governance and The US
> President
> would probably like to lead the debate !
> J'esphre que ce message est un poisson d'avril parce
> que si tel itait le cas on aurait des souci ` nous
> faire.
> Un prochain pape amiricain ? un prisident amiricain
> menant les dibats sur la gouvernance mondiale,
> autant
> de raison peut-jtre pour voter oui au traiti
> constitutionnel europien ultra libiral... O dieu de
> l'enfer ! quel cauchemerd !
> 
> --- ngenda@bluewin.ch wrote:
> 
> > >-- Original Message --
> > >Subject: Fw: NEWS FLASH
> > >To: Heidi.Divecha@TheGlobalFund.org, "Tina
> Divecha"
> > <DIVECHA@unhcr.ch>,
> > >   "Nasim Bahar" <nasim.bahar@virgin.net>,
> > anna.divecha@btconnect.com,
> > >   doodiejules@yahoo.com, andrea.hess@fifa.org,
> > rupina.jagasia@ch.pwc.com,
> > >   "Ngenda Kigaraba" <ngenda@bluewin.ch>,
> > Angela_Rose@cargill.com,
> > >   SergePerrin@Djiboua.com,
> > Susan_Cretenoud@capgroup.com
> > >From: Delseta_Atkins@capgroup.com
> > >Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 14:09:22 +0100
> > >
> > >   Delseta Atkins | The Capital Group Companies |
> >
> > >          Location: GVO2 | Extension: 74933
> >
> > > Outside: +41 22 807 4933 | E-mail:
> > dxa@capgroup.com
> >
> > >
> > >>>> <htimes@fcc.net> 01/04/2005 13:19:42 >>>
> >
>
>_______________________________________________________________________
> > >
> > The Humanitarian Times
> > >
> >       April 1, 2005
> > >
> > >- U.N. SEC. GEN. KOFI ANNAN SUBMITTED HIS
> > RESIGNATION TO SECURITY COUNCIL
> > >first thing this morning, surprising many UN
> > watchers who believed that
> > >the oil-for-food scandal had not directly
> > implicated him.  In a press
> > >briefing early this morning, Annan said that the
> > effectiveness of the UN
> > >depended on a leadership that was not distracted
> by
> > defensiveness over
> > >scandals like this.
> > >
> > >- HEADS OF U.N. AGENCIES MET IN NEW YORK TO
> DISCUSS
> > TRANSITION PLANS
> > >this week.  Those UN agency heads who are
> American,
> > Paul Wolfowitz of
> > >the World Bank, Wendy Chamberlin of UNHCR, Anne
> > Veneman of Unicef, James
> > >Morris of the World Food Programme, Brunson
> > McKinley of IOM, & others met
> > >Tuesday in a new inter-agency coordination
> > mechanism to better plan the
> > >UN's operations in concert with American
> interests.
> > >
> > >- WHITE HOUSE RELEASES LONG-TERM ROAD-MAP FOR
> > UNITED NATIONS' REFORM,
> > >following the recent spate of UN Reform
> proposals,
> > including the High
> > >-Level Panel report and this month's "In Larger
> > Freedom?" by the Sec
> > >General.  The US Administration's proposal
> includes
> > a number of mergers.
> > >(more below)
> > >
> > >- ACTING SWIFLY IN RESPONSE TO THE SEC. GEN.
> > VACANCY,
> > >the US President appointed as interim Secretary
> > General of the United
> > >Nations his brother, Jeb Bush, who had been
> > involved in goodwill
> > >missions in Asia following the recent tsunami.
> > When reminded that the
> > >UN constitution prohibited the Sec. General being
> > from one of the
> > >permanent members of the Security Council, White
> > House legal advisors
> > >said that the US is not bound by that limited
> > reading of an archaic &
> > >inapplicable body of international law.  The USG
> > said that it had
> > >conferred with key allies in making the decision.
> > When asked by BBC,
> > >Prime Minister Tony Blair said that he had indeed
> > been told of the
> > >appointment by his White House superiors an hour
> > before the decision
> > >was issued.  In order to immediately effect UN
> > reforms, the Pres. sent
> > >army & marine brigades into New York City,
> > surrounding the UN, &
> > >closing its offices.  SRSG Lahkdar Brahmi has
> been
> > asked to create an
> > >interim coalition provisional authority to
> > facilitate the two-year UN
> > >transition.
> >
>
>_______________________________________________________________________
> > >                                REVIEW OF WHITE
> > HOUSE PROPOSAL ON UN REFORM
> > >
> > >- U.S. POSITIONS ON U.N. REFORM INVOLVE
> > EFFICIENCIES & CONSOLIDATIONS
> > >as a number of agencies were merged, effective
> > immediately by Presidential
> > >Decision Directive this week.  Because of its
> > brand-name value, Unicef was
> > >maintained with the same name, under US control,
> > but reporting directly
> > to
> > >the Republican National Committee.  The World
> Food
> > Program would take over
> > >the Food and Agriculture Organization, & both be
> > merged under the US
> > >Department of Agriculture.  USAID Administrator
> > Andrew Natsios was
> > >appointed head of UNDP, along with a merger of
> the
> > two organizations.
> > >The World Health Organization will be merged with
> > the Centers for Disease
> > >Control in Atlanta, combining their laboratory
> > facilities and reducing
> > >human resources, laboratory & security
> > redundancies.  IFAD, UNCTAD & the
> > >International Labor Organization will be
> > privatized, sold off at auction
> > >this summer, proceeds to be held in trust by the
> > Republican National
> > >Committee, which will have fiduciary authority
> over
> 
=== message truncated ===


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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  4 09:16:20 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: FW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the  Multi-Stakeholderism
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050404081620.59648.qmail@web60701.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Mc
Really i don't care if my colleagues who react to my
messages are male or female, senior or young, from
North or South, colored or not ! It's always a great 
honour to participate to a dialogue and i always
respect all participants and all ideas, even if from
time to time i seem revolted.
All the best  
--- mclauglm@po.muohio.edu wrote:
> I think that we've broken a real barrier here--a 
> gender barrier, actually. Rony referred to my 
> apology to Djilali as sweet and kind, and Djilali 
> apparently has assumed that I am a male. 
> Generally, these are used as mutually 
> incompatible references. So the internet really 
> does facilitate gender ambiguity, as is stated in 
> those Microsoft and MCI commercials:))
> 
> Sorry for cluttering up mailboxes with this
> observation,
> 
> Lisa
> 
> 
> >Dear Sir,
> >Thanks a lot for your reply and congratulations for
> >the effort made to translate with French babel
> fish...
> >Those who have the chance to deal with
> International
> >NGO in the North with some financial capacity can
> try
> >to help... the Civile society must be able to
> ensure
> >correct and sustainable translation in 4 or 5
> >languages.. our independancy begin with this
> >improvement.... You can check than african wsis
> civil
> >society list seemed to have find a first
> solution...
> >because of they wont it
> >Cher ami
> >merci pour les efforts de traduire mÍme avec babel
> >fish... la sociÈtÈ civile devrait avoir envie de
> >rÈsoudre ce problËme de traduction et quant on veut
> on
> >peut comme l'a fait la liste de la SMSI sociÈtÈ
> civile
> >africaine. Notre crÈdibilitÈ passe par lý
> >
> >--- mclauglm@po.muohio.edu wrote:
> >>  Dear Djilali and others,
> >>
> >>  I apologize for my inability to express myself
> in
> >>  languages besides English. My Spanish is not
> >>  good, and I have no ability to write in French.
> >>  Unfortunately, "google language tools" and
> "babel
> >>  fish" translations do not help us to communicate
> >>  well. I appreciate what you are saying very
> much,
> >>  and ILO is an interesting example. So here is
> >>  another practical issue regarding process and
> >>  substance: how do we include everyone in respect
> >>  to language when, individually, we do not have
> in
> >  > common a first language?
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>
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> 

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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  4 09:23:23 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: FW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the   Multi-Stakeholderism
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050404082323.32992.qmail@web60702.mail.yahoo.com>

Excellent, i support.
Please try to give us a practical proposal ?
We must identify one or many financial sources
(francophony, palop, cultural foundations, individual
donnors etc...) and one or many NGOs or academics able
to do the job in an adequat manner for associative
needs and purposes...
Merci à Ray pour son message que je supporte... Il
faut le transformer en propositions concrètes et
opérationnelles. Identifier une ou des sources de
financement et un ou des opérateurs associatifs ou
académiques pour le faire en des conditions qui nous
aggréent.
On dirait qu'on avance !
  
--- MJ Ray <mjr@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> > Let's together plead for main languages spoken in
> > Africa ! Arabic, English, French, portuguese and
> spanish.
> 
> Ne, internacia lingvo (esperanto) estas parolenda.
> Cxiuj homoj
> uzus duan lingvon. Estus pli justa.
> 
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Tél/Fax : (331) 01 45 39 77 02 Paris - France
Page web sur le SMSI (mecanismes de financement) : en cours de construction 
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  4 09:37:35 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Language issues on the Plenary list... 2/2
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050403152424.033c4cf8@funredes.org>
Message-ID: <20050404083735.30678.qmail@web60710.mail.yahoo.com>

YES Damiel ! we are progressing, very interesting
proposals !
Let's go ahead and focus on a little project with a
little budget... We have to ensure the translation
from now to the end of the year.
I know that in France it is possible for NGOs to get
"stagiaires" with good profile for one two or three
hundred dollars a month...
We do need 3, 4 or 5 translators for 3, 4 or 5
languages and it should be powerfull if they work in
the same place to ensure an homogenious job...
It is possible to get the same in other countries and
i guess that it should be wonderfull if we can do it
in a country from the South !
Trés intéressantse propositions de Daniel. Je propose
l'usage de stagiaires qui en France sont mis à la
disposition d'associations aux moindres coûts.
Qu'en pensez vous ?
--- Daniel Pimienta <pimienta@funredes.org> wrote:

> -------> MESSAGE ORIGINAL
> 
> Robert Guerra have written:
>  >I've taken the liberty of cc'ing Daniel Pimineta
> from Mistica to get his
>  >comments to know if  their "solution" might be of
> assistance to this list.
> You have seen the length of the test message and the
> poor quality of
> translation.
> Yet this help. And is people make efforts to write
> simple sentence and
> follow simple rules the result can be amazingly
> faithful.
> 
> The system can accomodate several options and it is
> not a must to have a
> concatenation of the languages (but the more
> sophisticated the more cost).
> Also, if there is interest to bring a better quality
> to what is NOT a
> translation but an aid to mutual understanding, it
> is always possible to
> add human value on the process and eitheir do a pre
> revision or a post
> revision (of course this add a variable cost
> proportional to the traffic to
> the total cost). Also the system detects
> automatically the language, if
> there is a mix of languages then the original
> language will have to be
> repeated.
> I dont want to make a long digression on those
> system we are using in
> several projects since a long time ago (see
> http;//cardicis.org,
> http://funredes.org/salsa as two examples). As a
> general rule, although
> this is not a must, the system works much better in
> a moderated list where
> discìpline in infoecology is performed.
> 
> To simplify, I have shown the most economical
> approach: peope who wants
> translation will subscribe to a parallel list and
> will receive this long
> type of messages. The system is based on an
> automatic web interface and is
> not 100% stable (once on a while they are gitches to
> be monitored).
> 
> Although it is automatized it is not a free lunch
> because it requires to be
> closely monitored and there is always some indirect
> tasks which are implied
> (from list management, to problem nanagement, to
> changes in the interface,
> including spam management and server management...).
> 
> This is not the best moment for Funredes, which is
> in a process of
> reorganization with less technical staff, to offer
> solidarity. I will
> discuss with my team and see what it is possible to
> do. If not possible now
> for Funredes to offer a free of charge service, I
> see as a possibility to
> contract directly a person who was our system admin
> and is now a freelance
> consultant to set up and monitor this specific
> service (I dont like the
> idea of Funredes receiving directly money for a
> service to the WSIS civil
> society list!). I would guess the cost would not
> exceed few thousand US$
> per year.
> 
> Daniel Pimienta
> http://funredes.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------> ESPAÑOL (ATENCION: LA SIGUIENTE ES UNA
> TRADUCCION AUTOMATICA NO 
> REVISADA)
> 
> Roberto Guerra ha escrito:
> 
>  > He tomado la libertad de cc'ing a Daniel Pimineta
> de Mistica para
>  > familiarizar con sus comentarios si su "solución"
> pudo estar de ayuda
>  > a esta lista.
>  >
> Usted ha visto la longitud del mensaje de la prueba
> y la mal calidad
> de la traducción. Con todo esta ayuda. La American
> National Standard
> es gente hace esfuerzos de escribir la oración
> simple y seguir reglas
> simples el resultado puede ser asombroso fiel.
> 
> El sistema puede acomodar varias opciones y no es a
> debe tener un
> encadenamiento de las idiomas (pero del sofisticado
> más coste).
> También, si hay interés de traer una calidad mejor a
> cuál es UNA NO
> traducción sino una ayuda a la comprensión mutua, es
> siempre posible
> agregar valor humano en el proceso y el eitheir hace
> pre una revisión
> o una revisión del poste (por supuesto éste agrega
> un coste variable
> proporcional al tráfico al coste total). También el
> sistema detecta
> automáticamente la lengua, si hay una mezcla de
> idiomas entonces que
> la lengua original tendrá que ser repetida. No deseo
> hacer una
> digresión larga en esos el sistema que estamos
> utilizando en varios
> proyectos puesto que hace un rato largo (véase
> http;//cardicis.org,
> http://funredes.org/salsa como dos ejemplos). Como
> regla general,
> aunque no es ésta a debe, el sistema trabaja mucho
> mejor en una lista
> moderada donde el discìpline en infoecology se
> realiza.
> 
> Para simplificar, he demostrado el acercamiento más
> económico: el
> peope que desea la traducción suscribirá a una lista
> paralela y
> recibirá este tipo largo de mensajes. El sistema se
> basa en un
> interfaz automático de la tela y no es establo del
> 100% (en un rato
> son una vez gitches que se supervisarán).
> 
> Aunque se automatiza no es un almuerzo libre porque
> requiere para ser
> supervisado de cerca y hay siempre algunas tareas
> indirectas se
> implican que (de la gerencia de la lista, al
> nanagement del problema,
> a los cambios en el interfaz, incluyendo la gerencia
> del Spam y la
> gerencia del servidor...).
> 
> Éste no es el mejor momento para Funredes, que está
> en un
> proceso de la reorganización con el personal menos
> técnico, para
> ofrecer solidaridad. Discutiré con mi equipo y veré
> cuál es posible
> hacer. Si es no posible ahora para que Funredes
> ofrezca un libre del
> servicio de la carga, veo como posibilidad para
> contraer directamente
> a una persona que era nuestro sistema admin y ahora
> sea un consultor
> independiente para instalar y para supervisar este
> servicio
> específico (dont de I como la idea de Funredes que
> recibe
> directamente el dinero para un servicio a la lista
> civil de la
> sociedad de WSIS!). Conjeturaría que el coste no
> excedería poco mil
> USS por año.
> 
> Daniel Pimienta
> http://funredes.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------> ENGLISH (WARNING: THE FOLLOWING IS A NOT
> REVISED AUTOMATIC 
> TRANSLATION)
> 
> Robert Guerra have written:
> 
>  > I've taken the liberty of cc'ing Daniel Pimineta
> from Mistica to get his
>  > comments to know if  their "solution" might be of
> assistance to this list.
>  >
> You have seen the length of the test message and the
> poor quality of
> translation.
> Yet this help. Ans is people make efforts to write
> simple sentence and
> follow simple rules the result can be amazingly
> faithful.
> 
> The system can accomodate several options and it is
> not 
=== message truncated ===


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Tel/fax : (227) 75 35 09 BP 11207 - Niamey - Niger
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  4 09:48:12 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] linguistic barriers - resist them don't let them stop us
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050404084812.32159.qmail@web60710.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Tracey 
I understand your concern, near one year that we are
discussing this un-usefull issue and i am cluttering
malboxes... but we are in the good way to find a good
and concerted solution... if we win it will be a first
and great victory for next steps... we are building a
world civile society dealing with with its poor and
missing componient. Your responsability is greater
than mine and if you think that we are losing our
time, i stop it, especially when we can note that this
item is not interesting many persons !
Respect and consideration Tracey !
Une réponse amicale à Tracey qui joue un rôle
determinant dans ce processus. Il me semble que nous
sommes sur la bonne voie pour trouver une solution qui
constituera un excellent précédent pour d'autres
victoires de la société civile... mais si elle pense
que c'est une perte de temps et d'énergie je m'arrête,
d'autant que cela ne semble pas émouvoir des masses. 
--- Tracey Naughton <tracey@traceynaughton.com> wrote:
> Yes Lisa and Rony and Dijilali
> 
> It was a sweet exchange. So much so for the
> articulation of the change 
> in tone.
> 
> But it's hard to be so nice all the time, and
> mailboxes do get 
> cluttered, and we do hear, and we do forget to say
> we hear, and thanks 
> Rony for that.
> 
> And as imperfect as they are I have longed for a
> translation tool.
> 
> Right now I would like to be heard AND understood in
> Urdu and 
> Mongolian, but French would be good too,
> 
> and though tone and words can be so revealing, real
> words, spoken in 
> mother tongue,  speak volumes in the reality of
> communication, so we 
> have to practice human rights too, and be tolerant
> and accommodating  
> (of babel fish, and other misunderstandings, until
> they are 
> superseded).
> 
> We cannot expect a perfect solution, yet - but we
> are in a position to 
> argue that best practice and research should be
> applied to the problem, 
> especially since we can now contact each other.
> 
> Tracey
> 
> 
> < Babel angel translation >
> 
>   * . * (\ *** /) * .
>     * * ( \(_)/ ) *  *
>      *   (_/ \_) . *
> .    *   /___\ * . *
> 
> 
> Oui Lisa et Rony et Dijilali
> 
> C'était un échange doux. Tellement ainsi pour
> l'articulation du 
> changement de la tonalité.
> 
> Mais il est difficile d'être si gentil toute
> l'heure, et les boîtes aux 
> lettres obtiennent encombrées, et nous entendons, et
> nous oublions de 
> dire que nous entendons, et remercions Rony de
> celui.
> 
> Et aussi imparfait qu'elles sont moi ont désiré
> ardemment pour un outil 
> de traduction.  En ce moment je voudrais être
> entendu ET compris dans 
> Urdu et mongol, mais le Français serait bon aussi, 
> et bien que la 
> tonalité et les mots puissent ainsi indiquer, les
> vrais mots, parlés 
> dans la langue maternelle, parlent des volumes en
> réalité de 
> communication, ainsi nous devons pratiquer des
> droits de l'homme aussi, 
> et soyons tolérants et s'adapter (des poissons de
> Babel, et d'autres 
> malentendus, jusqu'à ce qu'ils soient remplacés).
> 
> Nous ne pouvons pas nous attendre à une solution
> parfaite, pourtant - 
> mais nous sommes en mesure pour arguer du fait que
> la meilleures 
> pratique et recherche devraient être appliquées au
> problème, d'autant 
> plus que nous pouvons maintenant nous contacter.
> 
> hee hee
> 
> it looks so long in Babel Angel French..
> 
> Tracey
> 
> 
> Tracey Naughton
> NYAKA
> Communication for Development Consultant
> 201 Somerset hall
> 239 Oxford Road
> Illovo     2196
> South Africa
> 
> landline & fax:	+27 (0) 11 880 5030
> cell / mobile:	+27 (0) 82 821 1771
> email:		tracey@traceynaughton.com
> skype:		tracey_naughton
> 

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From nne75 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  4 12:08:50 2005
From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Africa and the WSIS: From Principles to Action. Perspectives from the Civil Society (call for contributions)
Message-ID: <20050404110850.50205.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com>

The Africa Civil Society for the Information Society - ACSIS, in collaboration with the United Nations Economic Commission for Africa is happy to announce the soon publication of a Handbook for ICT decision makers titled Africa and the WSIS: From Principles to Action. Perspectives from the Civil Society
 
Civil society members with the interest and capacity to write on particular  subjects are invited to submit an abstract, or short description of the  piece they would write.

To assist in shaping your contributions, here is some additional  information:

Aim of the publication: 
 
To present the Civil Society perpectives of the WSIS, showcase the lessons learned and recommend the way forward for an African Action Plan.  

Target Readers of the publication:
Decision makers, heads of states, governments, international organisations and the larger Civil Society.

Funder: Economic Commission for Africa (ECA)

Civil society author co-ordination: ACSIS – Nnenna Nwakanma

 
Fee per contribution on second part:  USD$100

Word length: 2500 to 5000 for the second part 
 
Best practices, success stories and lessons learned: Maximum 2000 words

Timeline

Suggestions on additional topics are welcome and need to be made  
to Nnenna by: April 10, 2005

Abstracts should be sent via the list to Nnenna by: April 26, 2005

Written go-ahead will be received by: April 30, 2005


Deadline for completed piece: June 30

The e-address to post all the above to is: infohki@yahoo.com 


xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 

Africa and the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) : 

>From Principles to Action. Perspectives from the Civil Society



 

First Part

Chapter I : The Africa Information Society Initiative - AISI- Africa’s Digital Agenda

This chapter will explain the principles, the agenda and the realisations of the AISI as Africa’s framework to the deployment of ICT for a sustainable regional development. Particular attention will be given to partnerships, grassroots mobilisation, and civil society involvement.

Chapter II The World Summit on the Information Society - WSIS

I Understanding the WSIS

This section will give background information on the WSIS, its objectives, processes and other useful information for an understanding of the summit. Special attention will be given the role of the Africa Civil Society from the beginning of the process to the present.

II The outcomes of the WSIS

The purpose of this part is to highlight the concrete parts of the Declaration of Principles and Action Plan. It will also include the other sectoral outcomes, like the Civil Society Declaration.

SECOND PART

Chapter III Issues in the use of ICT for Development

The issues here may include

   Internet Governance
   Finance Mechanisms
   Media 
   Human Rights
   Gender
   Cultural Diversity
   Content and Application
   Free and Open Source Software
   Intellectual Property Rights

Chapter IV Mainstreaming ICT for African Development

The issues here may include

   National, sub-regional and Regional policies and their implementation
   Financing Mechanisms for ICT at the grassroots level
   Poverty Reduction Strategies
   Millennium Development Goals
   Infrastructure
   Indicators and Benchmarks etc

Chapter V Partnerships for a viable and inclusive African Information Society

The objective of this section will be:

   To highlight the role, and the Action Plan of the Civil Society in the Information Society
   Seek concrete proposals on promoting partnership with the Private Sector in a win-win framework
   Understand barriers to effective partnerships in the multi-stakeholder framework of the Information Society and how to tackle them



THIRD PART



Chapter VI Best Practices and lessons learned in the use of ICT for development.

This part will aim at showcasing diverse stories from all parts of Africa and the globe. 

VII The way forward

This chapter will draw on the outcome of the African Preparatory Conference, Accra and will aim at presenting concrete recommendations on the next steps for ICT for African development. It 

 

 

 


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From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] APCNews on WSIS
In-Reply-To: <p06010201be746b0a1029@[192.168.1.100]>
References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050402114341.04997200@pop.gn.apc.org>
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Dear Lisa

I certainly did not intend for 'process' and 'substance' to be isolated from one another. 
They are interlinked, and impact on one another.

In fact, that is precisely my point. 

Process involves issues such as:
- who participates
- sequence
- how decisions are made
- rules of procedure and other elements that relate to the 'form' 

By substance I meant to refer simply to 'content', for example, human rights in the 
information society... how they apply? how they can secured? what areas of emerging 
regulation should be interrogated from a rights perspective? and so on.

I really do believe in the importance of process. It is a critical starting point, and good 
processes usually lead to better decisions, and leave a enduring legacy of networks, 
relationships, partnerships, learning.

But if we stay immersed in the rights and wrongs of who speaks for whom, in which 
language, we inevitably become distracted from focusing on content issues.

This results in a vicious circle, because it is usually only through focusing on content 
that people really discover where they agree and disagree, and that they get to grips 
with the policy issue at stake, in its various dimensions. 

Focusing on content also contextualises some aspects of process. The topic under 
discussion points usefully to who should participate.  E.g., if we are talking about 
increasing diversity of ownership and control in ICT industry with a view to 
strengthening the presence of public interest oriented investment, ownership and 
control by women entrepreneurs, and innovation for developing country users by 
developing country businesses... it would be pointless to not talk to and explore 
collaboration with the private sector.

In the case of the WSIS the time has definitely come to get down and work on content if 
we want to influence the outcomes (through making proposals, producing discussion 
papers, critiques of proposed language, alternative declarations etc.) This does not 
mean that critiques of this process, or other UN processes should be suspended.

But let us focus.  It is useful for some people to address participate processes 
constructively and critically. But then do so in a manner and space which does not 
undermine or limit focus on content issues.

Lisa, if I still fail to clarify the point let me know and I will try again.

Cheers

Anriette



> Dear Karen and all,
> 
> Thanks once again for encouraging a debate about 
> MSPs. I've read the APCNEWS special edition, and 
> I have a question for Anriette that I hope will 
> help to clarify and also further this discussion:
> 
> I am wondering about this distinction that you 
> are making between "process" and "substance" 
> whereby you suggest that some CS activists focus 
> too much on process and not enough on substance. 
> Please can you clarify how process and substance 
> should be isolated from one another in such a 
> way? For example, the undemocratic election 
> process in the US, which painfully produced GW 
> Bush, is difficult to extricate from what is at 
> present the substance of national, and sometimes 
> worldwide, debates.
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Lisa
> 
> 
> 
> >Dear all,
> >
> >This month's (march) APCNEWS focuses on WSIS. 
> >The spanish version will be posted within a 
> >couple of days.
> >
> >thanks to all who shared resources, comments etc
> >
> >karen
> >
> >--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
> >                     SPECIAL EDITION
> >     WORLD SUMMIT ON THE INFORMATION SOCIETY PREPCOM 2
> >--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
> >            *APCNews, the monthly newsletter of the
> >       Association for Progressive Communications (APC)*
> >                 - March 2005 No. 51 -
> >--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
> >--THE ISSUES: INTERNET GOVERNANCE & FINANCING ICT FOR DEVELOPMENT--
> >--PREPCOM 2 FROM DIFFERENT GEOGRAPHICAL PERSPECTIVES-- --HUMAN RIGHTS
> >& WSIS-- --MULTISTAKEHOLDER PARTNERSHIPS-- --THE PEOPLE AT THE
> >PREPCOM -- --RECOMMENDED READING?- --WANT TO FIND OUT MORE?
> >WSIS-RELATED WEBSITES-- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
> >--- --- --- ---
> >
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From rikp at earthlink.net  Mon Apr  4 15:53:40 2005
From: rikp at earthlink.net (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] global alliance consultation, 11 April, United Nations, New York
Message-ID: <4de6eb23df8f9c06e046bd0d0a67e13f@earthlink.net>

Dear Friends,

My understanding is that the UN ICT Task Force is organizing a civil 
society consultation on the concept of a "Global Alliance on ICT Policy 
and Development" to take place at the United Nations on 11 April in 
Conference Room 5 at 10am.

You can also make your views known online at 
http://www.unicttf.org/perl/comments.pl?ot=document;oi=1443 .

For more information, see the UN ICT Task Force website at 
http://www.unicttf.org/

Rik Panganiban
CONGO
......................................

Chers Amis,

J'ai entendu dire que l'UN ICT Task Force organise un consultation avec 
la societe civile sur le concept d'une "Alliance globale sur la 
politique et la developpement de TCI"  que sera a l'ONU en le 11 Avril, 
salle de conference 5, a 10.00.

Vous aussi pouvez ecrire vos idees et propositions a 
http://www.unicttf.org/perl/comments.pl?ot=document;oi=1443 .

Pour plus d'information, regardez le site web de le UN ICT Task Force a 
http://www.unicttf.org/ .

Rik Panganiban
CONGO

===============================================
RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations 
(CONGO)
web: http://www.ngocongo.org
email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524

* Information on the WSIS at http://www.ngocongo.org/wsis
* Information on Millennium+5 at http://www.ngocongo.org/mdg
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  4 23:01:09 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] global alliance consultation, 11 April, United Nations, New York
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050404220109.13114.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Rik,
It should be interesting to know who are representing
the Civile Society ? Once again we are living the same
scenario like when the UN-TFFM organized consultation
with the Civile society representive choisen by ???
After that it has been accepted that Civile society
has been consulted and involved !
Till when are we going to accept such practice 
--- Rik Panganiban <rikp@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Dear Friends,
> 
> My understanding is that the UN ICT Task Force is
> organizing a civil 
> society consultation on the concept of a "Global
> Alliance on ICT Policy 
> and Development" to take place at the United Nations
> on 11 April in 
> Conference Room 5 at 10am.
> 
> You can also make your views known online at 
>
http://www.unicttf.org/perl/comments.pl?ot=document;oi=1443
> .
> 
> For more information, see the UN ICT Task Force
> website at 
> http://www.unicttf.org/
> 
> Rik Panganiban
> CONGO
> ......................................
> 
> Chers Amis,
> 
> J'ai entendu dire que l'UN ICT Task Force organise
> un consultation avec 
> la societe civile sur le concept d'une "Alliance
> globale sur la 
> politique et la developpement de TCI"  que sera a
> l'ONU en le 11 Avril, 
> salle de conference 5, a 10.00.
> 
> Vous aussi pouvez ecrire vos idees et propositions a
> 
>
http://www.unicttf.org/perl/comments.pl?ot=document;oi=1443
> .
> 
> Pour plus d'information, regardez le site web de le
> UN ICT Task Force a 
> http://www.unicttf.org/ .
> 
> Rik Panganiban
> CONGO
> 
> ===============================================
> RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
> Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with
> the United Nations 
> (CONGO)
> web: http://www.ngocongo.org
> email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
> 
> * Information on the WSIS at
> http://www.ngocongo.org/wsis
> * Information on Millennium+5 at http://www.ngocongo.org/mdg

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Tel/fax : (227) 75 35 09 BP 11207 - Niamey - Niger
Tél/Fax : (331) 01 45 39 77 02 Paris - France
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From mclauglm at po.muohio.edu  Mon Apr  4 23:56:50 2005
From: mclauglm at po.muohio.edu (mclauglm@po.muohio.edu)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] APCNews on WSIS
In-Reply-To: <425150B3.65.1E90A525@localhost>
References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050402114341.04997200@pop.gn.apc.org>
 <425150B3.65.1E90A525@localhost>
Message-ID: <p06010201be777631c316@[192.168.1.100]>

Thank you, Anriette, for your very thorough response to my question. 
It does help to clarify--much appreciated.

All the best,

Lisa



>Dear Lisa
>
>I certainly did not intend for 'process' and 'substance' to be 
>isolated from one another.
>They are interlinked, and impact on one another.
>
>In fact, that is precisely my point.
>

From baptista at cynikal.net  Tue Apr  5 04:53:50 2005
From: baptista at cynikal.net (Joe Baptista)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] US government-funded report on ICANN, DNS released
References: <s24fbca2.041@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <42520BCE.7040304@cynikal.net>


Milton Mueller wrote:

>The full report makes recommendations regarding new TLDs (there is no
>technical or operational risk to adding 20-90 TLDs annually, a regular
>  
>
I disagree with the number.  The Internet experiment in the .com zone 
clearly shows you can have millions of domains.  Since the technical 
requirements of the ".com" zone file are the same as those for the "." 
root it follows the root can have millions of tlds.

I think specifying a number gives a false impression there is some 
technical limitation on the growth of the root zone.

regards
joe baptista
www.joebaptista.com




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From mh at wacc.org.uk  Tue Apr  5 09:47:01 2005
From: mh at wacc.org.uk (Myriam Horngren)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Fondos_para_fomentar_la_participaci=F3n_CRIS/EED=3A_WSIS_?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?RIO?=
Message-ID: <7414FB05C3419C42931F0911BE79061D4FF3CC@wacc-commserver.wacc.org.uk>

WSIS/RIO: Fondos para fomentar la participaci?n CRIS/EED

La Iglesia Servicio al Desarrollo (en ingl?s "Church Development Service", cuyas siglas son EED), de Alemania, ha donado generosamente fondos para facilitar la participaci?n a actividades relacionadas con CRIS. La Campa?a de CRIS tiene el agrado de informarles que estar? en condiciones de patrocinar a algunos delegados para participar en eventos que supongan ser claves para los Derechos a la Comunicaci?n.

De acuerdo a la estrategia de la Campa?a de CRIS 2005, las becas apoyar?n individuos para asistir a encuentros globales y reuniones de trabajo de la Campa?a de CRIS. Dicha cantidad no alcanza para cubrir el monto total de los gastos, as? que los aspirantes deber?an poder pagar una parte de los mismos.

El prop?sito de estas becas ser? desarrollar un equipo de corresponsales expertos que puedan informar los progresos alcanzados en cuestiones relacionadas con los derechos a la comunicaci?n y, a su vez, ofrecer oportunidades para consolidar la capacidad de acci?n de la Campa?a CRIS con reuniones de trabajo internas.

Actualmente, estamos buscando apoyar a los aspirantes que deseen ser corresponsales de CRIS para asistir a las reuniones del CMSI Reuni?n Regional para Latino Am?rica y el Caribe (8-10 de junio de 2005, Rio de Janeiro): Euros 750.  Cierre de admisiones: 8 de mayo de 2005.

Para mas informaciones, ver: http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/612/


Myriam Horngren
WACC/CRIS Network and Advocacy Coordinator
357 Kennington Lane
London SE11 5QY
United Kingdom
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Fax: 44 (0) 207 735 0340
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From mh at wacc.org.uk  Tue Apr  5 09:45:44 2005
From: mh at wacc.org.uk (Myriam Horngren)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CRIS-EED Grant WSIS Asia
Message-ID: <7414FB05C3419C42931F0911BE79061D4FF3CB@wacc-commserver.wacc.org.uk>

PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DISTRIBUTE: 

The Church Development Service (EED), Germany, has generously granted
funds for the facilitation of participants to CRIS related activities.
The CRIS campaign is glad to inform you that it will be able to
co-sponsor some delegates to events that we feel are key to the
Communication Rights.

In accordance with the CRIS Campaign strategy for 2005, the grants will
support individuals to attend global meetings and CRIS Campaign working
meetings. The amounts are not provided to cover the whole costs, so
applicants may have to cover some of the traveling costs.

The aim will be to both develop a team of expert correspondents who
could inform progress on communication rights related issues in depths
as well as providing opportunities to consolidate the capacity of the
campaign through internal working meetings.

Currently, we are looking to support applicants wishing to be CRIS
correspondents to attend the WSIS ASIA meetings to be held in Tehran
from  29th May to 2d June. The amount allocated for the grant is Euro
750. Deadline for application is 29th April, all efforts will be made to
provide responses during that week.

For more information, please see:
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/611/

Myriam Horngren
WACC/CRIS Network and Advocacy Coordinator
357 Kennington Lane
London SE11 5QY
United Kingdom
Tel: 44 (0) 207 582 9139
Fax: 44 (0) 207 735 0340
web: www.crisinfo.org/www.wacc.org.uk
email: mh@wacc.org.uk


From rikp at earthlink.net  Tue Apr  5 17:44:24 2005
From: rikp at earthlink.net (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] global alliance consultation, 11 April, United Nations, New York
In-Reply-To: <4de6eb23df8f9c06e046bd0d0a67e13f@earthlink.net>
References: <4de6eb23df8f9c06e046bd0d0a67e13f@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6d3338aa0c5d76f4806f484d83ae85be@earthlink.net>

What follows is the formal announcement of the global alliance 
consultation taking place next monday in New York that I referred to in 
a previous email.

Rik Panganiban
CONGO
-------------------------------------------------


The United Nations Information and Communication Technologies (ICT) 
Task Force
ANNOUNCEMENT


The United Nations Information and Communication Technologies (ICT) 
Task Force will hold a civil society consultations meeting on April 11, 
2005 at 10.00 am in Conference Room 5 (United Nations Headquarters), on 
the concept of a Global Alliance on ICT for Development to seek views 
of all stakeholders.

The United Nations Millennium Summit, the G8 Digital Opportunity Task 
Force (DOT-Force), the United Nations ICT Task Force, the World Summit 
on the Information Society (WSIS), and others, have launched a process 
of bringing stakeholders from government, business and civil society 
together for global policy debate on the Millennium Development Goals 
and ICT policy and development. A truly effective and sustainable 
collaboration among the principal stakeholders will be essential for 
follow up after the completion of MS + 5 and WSIS-Tunis in 2005 if the 
potential of ICT to promote development is to be effectively harnessed.
Recent discussions have reiterated the need to sustain and strengthen 
substantive dialogue in a global, multi-stakeholder, open, inclusive 
and transparent manner.?The concept of an open, global platform has 
been raised and the Secretary-General of the United Nations, endorsing 
such a global networking approach, has asked the Task Force to develop, 
in consultation with other stakeholders, concrete proposals for such an 
alliance.

The briefing on April 11 is meant to engage participation of the civil 
society in the debate on how should the Alliance operate at the global 
and regional levels in order to make a useful contribution in the ICT4D 
arena,  and will address issues and explore options regarding the 
Alliance mission, modus operandi, membership, governance and funding.

The United Nations ICT Task Force provides overall leadership to the 
United Nations role in helping to formulate strategies for the 
development of information and communication technologies and putting 
those technologies at the service of development. It was established by 
the Secretary General to help identify ways to harness the potential of 
ICT for economic and social development by promoting partnerships of 
public, private, non-profit and civil society stakeholders.

For more information, please contact Ursula Germann at the Office for 
ECOSOC Support and Coordination email: germann@un.org or tel.: (212) 
963-4285.
For more information on the Global Alliance consultations please visit 
the United Nations ICT Task Force at http://www.unicttaskforce.org


On Apr 4, 2005, at 10:53 AM, Rik Panganiban wrote:

> Dear Friends,
>
> My understanding is that the UN ICT Task Force is organizing a civil 
> society consultation on the concept of a "Global Alliance on ICT 
> Policy and Development" to take place at the United Nations on 11 
> April in Conference Room 5 at 10am.
>
> You can also make your views known online at 
> http://www.unicttf.org/perl/comments.pl?ot=document;oi=1443 .
>
> For more information, see the UN ICT Task Force website at 
> http://www.unicttf.org/
>
> Rik Panganiban
> CONGO
> ......................................
>
> Chers Amis,
>
> J'ai entendu dire que l'UN ICT Task Force organise un consultation 
> avec la societe civile sur le concept d'une "Alliance globale sur la 
> politique et la developpement de TCI"  que sera a l'ONU en le 11 
> Avril, salle de conference 5, a 10.00.
>
> Vous aussi pouvez ecrire vos idees et propositions a 
> http://www.unicttf.org/perl/comments.pl?ot=document;oi=1443 .
>
> Pour plus d'information, regardez le site web de le UN ICT Task Force 
> a http://www.unicttf.org/ .
>
> Rik Panganiban
> CONGO
>
===============================================
RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations 
(CONGO)
web: http://www.ngocongo.org
email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524

* Information on the WSIS at http://www.ngocongo.org/wsis
* Information on Millennium+5 at http://www.ngocongo.org/mdg
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From ngenda at bluewin.ch  Sun Apr  3 13:18:11 2005
From: ngenda at bluewin.ch (ngenda@bluewin.ch)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [Africa-CS-WSIS]WSIS, Civil Society and Multi-Stakeholderism
In-Reply-To: <20050401090346.38506.qmail@web60710.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42362DB0000A2158@mssbzhb-int.msg.bluewin.ch>

Why are you so busy defining yourselves. We are Africans. Private, public
or whatever. We want to make a difference. That is what counts. The public
sector can do their diplomacy and the private sector can finance. Where is
the problem? WE ARE AFRICANS.

Ngenda


>-- Original Message --
>From: djilali benamrane <dbenamrane@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Africa-CS-WSIS]WSIS, Civil Society and Multi-Stakeholderism
>To: africa@wsis-cs.org, plenary@wsis-cs.org
>Cc: wsis-finance@yahoogroupes.fr
>Reply-To: africa@wsis-cs.org
>Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 01:03:46 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>In my point of view, as long as the CS has not find
>the way to ensure tis financial independancy, the CS
>will be dependant on ether Governments, or
>international inter-governmental organisations (IGO)
>including the UN system, or private sector operators.
>As long as we are dependant, we do have to identify 
>our alliers... there is a French proverbe saying
>better to deal with God better than with its
>servants... it means that we have to try not to be
>eaten by the private sector if we are not already
>eaten. My speech will be different when the CS will
>meet her financial independancy and it is suitable,
>feasible and possible.
>De mon point de vue, la soci?t? civile a un lourd
>handicap celui d'?tre totalement d?pendante
>financi?rement parlant.
>Tant que durera cette d?pendance autant d?pendre de
>dieu plut?t que de ses saints... dieu ici se sont les
>Gouvernements et le diable anime les op?rateurs du
>secteur priv?... prenons nos distances et ?vitons
>d'?tre avaler par ce secteur priv? devastateur.
>Mon discours sera autre le jour o? nous trouvons la
>solution de notre autonomie financi?re et cela est
>possible, faisable et souhaitable.
>Amiti?s 
>Djilali
>
>  
>--- Ad? <odutan1@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>> Civil Society and Multi-Stakeholderism:
>> Discussion emerging about opportunities and strange
>> bedfellows
>> 
>> Ralf Bendrath of the Heinrich-B?ll-Foundation has
>> written this essay 
>> about the internal debates within civil society
>> whether it should or 
>> shouldn't work more closely with the private sector
>> and governments in 
>> the WSIS process. While some civil society
>> representatives advocate a 
>> "multi-stakeholder approach" in which they find ways
>> of working closely 
>> with these sectors, others argue that civil society
>> must remain 
>> independent so it may fight against policies that
>> they
>> believe are not 
>> in the public interest.
>> 
>> http://www.worldsummit2003.de/en/web/735.htm
>> 
>> Ad? BADA
>> National ACSIS COORDINATOR 
>> FOCAL POINTin BENIN
>> 
>> 
>> 	
>> 
>> 	
>> 		
>>
>__________________________________________________________________
>> D?couvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 250 Mo d'espace
>> de stockage pour vos mails ! 
>> Cr?ez votre Yahoo! Mail sur
>> http://fr.mail.yahoo.com/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Africa mailing list
>> Africa@wsis-cs.org
>>
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/africa
>> 
>
>
>Djilali Benamrane : dbenamrane@yahoo.com
>Tel/fax : (227) 75 35 09 BP 11207 - Niamey - Niger
>T?l/Fax : (331) 01 45 39 77 02 Paris - France
>Page web sur le SMSI (mecanismes de financement) : en cours de construction
>
>Page web sur l'Afrique et la globalisation : http://www.multimania.com/djilalibenamrane/
>Groupe de discussion: http://www.egroups.com/list/afriqueglobalization
>
>
>		
>__________________________________ 
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>Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. 
>http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
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>Africa@wsis-cs.org
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From alarabi_org at wearab.net  Sun Apr  3 22:51:11 2005
From: alarabi_org at wearab.net (alarabi_org)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] part to
Message-ID: <W6472092282966051112565071@mail.wearab.net>

daer ser, 

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From: freenet002 at scarlet.be (Jan Servaes)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CfA: New Global Journal: Communication for Development and Social Change
Message-ID: <4b0f16806cd74947f2aefd68c74fb2f3@scarlet.be>

>> NEW GLOBAL JOURNAL
>>
>> COMMUNICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT AND SOCIAL CHANGE
>>
>>
>> Call for Articles
>>
>>
>> Communication for Development and Social Change is now seeking 
>> articles for
>> the early issues of the journal. Submissions will be refereed 
>> anonymously by
>> at least two referees.
>>
>> Articles should be between 5000-8000 words. Reviews should be between
>> 800-1200 words. Manuscripts must include an abstract of 100-150 words 
>> on a
>> separate sheet and may be submitted by regular mail (typed in
>> double-spacing) or by email (in MS Word or rtf.format). Authors will 
>> be
>> asked to provide a diskette or CD-Rom of the final version.
>>
>> The journal uses the Harvard system of referencing with author?s name 
>> and
>> date in the text and a full reference in alphabetical order at the 
>> end of
>> the article.
>>
>> Submit articles for the journal to:
>>
>> Jan Servaes
>> School of Journalism and Communication
>> University of Queensland
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From faia at amauta.rcp.net.pe  Tue Apr  5 17:44:03 2005
From: faia at amauta.rcp.net.pe (Erick Iriarte Ahon)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ICANN Mar del Plata: Taller sobre la CMSI
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20050405113945.041f9150@amauta.rcp.net.pe>

ICANN Mar del Plata: Taller sobre la CMSI

En este momento ha empezado el Taller sobre la Cumbre Mundial de Sociedad 
de la Informacion, en el marco de la Reuni?n del ICANN. La sesion esta 
siendo transmitida completamente en Linea.

El programa puede ser encontrado en:
http://www.icann.org/meetings/mardelplata/agenda-wsis-05apr05.htm

Panel One: Highlights and experiences in Internet Governance and technical 
management of the Internet in Latin America
- Senior Official of host government: (Invited)
- Tadao Takahashi, Member, ICANN ALAC and UN-ICT TF, Brazil
- Sebasti?n Bellagamba, Director, CABASE, Argentina
- Ra?l Echeberr?a, LACNIC, Uruguay
- Magarita Valdez, Chile
- Eduardo Santoyo, Peru
- Jose Alesandre Bicalho, Brazilian Internet Steering Committee, Brazil
- Demi Getschko, Member, ICANN Board, Brazil
- Dr. de Lara, Head of Mexican delegation at WSIS, Mexico
- Vanda Scartezini, Member, ICANN Board, Brazil

Panel Two: Global Internet Governance: Views and Perspectives
- (Setting the Stage) Alejandro Pisanty, Vice Chair/Board member, Mexico
- Raimundo Beca, ICANN Board Member, Chile
- Special Guest: Markus Kummer, Executive Coordinator for the WGIG
- Sharil Tarmizi, Chair, GAC, Malaysia
- Ambassador Ileana di Giovan, Argentina
- Pankaj Agrawala, Joint Sec.Ministry of Communications/Information 
Technology, India
- Vittorio Bertola , Chair, ALAC, Italy
- Vint Cerf, Chair, ICANN Board, USA

Para seguir online el taller puede hacerlo en:
http://media.icann.org/ramgen/broadcast/argentina.rm

Las notas sobre la reuni?n la publicaremos aqu?.

Publicado 05 Abr 2005 - 11:30 AM
  


From hans.klein at pubpolicy.gatech.edu  Wed Apr  6 06:07:43 2005
From: hans.klein at pubpolicy.gatech.edu (Hans Klein)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] INTERNET GOVERNANCE PROJECT: "What to Do About ICANN"
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20050406010700.05b9be80@pop.mail.gatech.edu>

     *********************************************************
                     The Internet Governance Project
                     announces a new policy analysis:

                     "WHAT DO TO ABOUT ICANN:
          A PROPOSAL FOR STRUCTURAL REFORM"

                     www.InternetGovernance.org

     **********************************************************

The authors analyze how ICANN exercises governmental powers
without possessing corresponding mechanisms for accountability.
They propose three accountability mechanisms:
1. Creation of an international oversight body to replace US
     oversight of ICANN
2. Restoration of ICANN's global elections
3. Decentralization of the Internet root zone and coordinated
     management between ICANN and the ITU.

The paper is available at the Internet Governance Project site:
      http://www.internetgovernance.org
The executive summary is below.

This analysis will be discussed in an on-line forum to be held
on April 22, 2005. Additional details to be announced.


The Internet Governance Project is an interdisciplinary consortium of
academics comprised of:
Dr. Milton Mueller, Professor, Syracuse University School of
       Information Studies
Dr. Hans Klein, Associate Professor, Georgia Institute of Technology,
       School of Public Policy
Dr. John R. Mathiason, Adjunct Professor, Syracuse University
       Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs
Dr. Lee McKnight, Associate Professor, Syracuse University School
       of Information Studies
Dr. Marc Holitscher, Lecturer, Institut f?r Politikwissenschaft der
       Universit?t Z?rich
Dr. Derrick L. Cogburn, Assistant Pofessor, Syracuse University,
       School of Information Studies

###


                             Executive Summary

                     "WHAT DO TO ABOUT ICANN:
          A PROPOSAL FOR STRUCTURAL REFORM"

                    by Hans Klein and Milton Mueller

With the 2005 World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) in
Tunisia quickly approaching, and with the work of the UN Working
Group on Internet Governance (WGIG) well underway, it is time to
identify concrete policy options for Internet governance. Any
initiatives in this area must address the criticisms that have been
made of ICANN.  Although the international community has defined
?Internet governance? in a way that goes beyond ICANN?s control
of domain names and addresses, ICANN nonetheless remains
central to many issues. Here we propose a series of structural
reforms for it.

The proposals here are designed to address the most important
criticisms that have been made of ICANN. These criticisms include:
*  Concerns about unilateralism by the US Government in its control
    of the DNS root and its supervision of ICANN.
*  Dissatisfaction with ICANN?s Government Advisory Committee (GAC),
     where governments have only advisory powers.
*  The perception that ICANN?s governance model does not properly
     balance the interests of developed and developing countries and
     suppliers and users.
*  Concerns about the relations between ICANN, country code top
     level domain administrators (ccTLDs), and national governments.
*  The overall perception that ICANN lacks legitimacy.

To address these issues, this paper proposes the following reforms
for ICANN:
1)  Limits on power and internationalized oversight. A legally-binding
      international agreement narrowly defining ICANN?s powers and
      replacing US Government supervision with internationalized
      supervision .  This would allow abolition of ICANN?s Government
      Advisory Committee.
2)  Democratization. Reinstatement and strengthening of the At Large
      membership of ICANN, especially a return to election of the At Large
      Board members and the granting of voting rights on ICANN?s GNSO
      to At Large representatives.
3)  Competition. Coordinated sharing of responsibilities between ICANN
      and the ITU in a way that would allow ccTLD managers and IP address
      users a choice of alternative governance arrangements.

See full analysis at:  http://www.internetgovernance.org

###


From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Wed Apr  6 08:15:42 2005
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [Africa-CS-WSIS]WSIS, Civil Society and
 Multi-Stakeholderism
Message-ID: <24284282.1112771742203.JavaMail.www@wwinf1002>

Dear Ngenda
This is a peremptory and unconditional assertion that can only worry/destabilize those (like Djilali and myself) who are the actual "friends of the South" and especially of Africa. We would prefer to leave such an issue to an open debate with the actual African CS organizations, especially "grass-root" ones. I wonder if a part of them share your straight opinion. 
Best regards
Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT  





> Message du 05/04/05 19:33
> De : ngenda@bluewin.ch
> A : africa@wsis-cs.org, africa@wsis-cs.org, plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Copie ? : wsis-finance@yahoogroupes.fr
> Objet : [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [Africa-CS-WSIS]WSIS, Civil Society and Multi-Stakeholderism
> 
> Why are you so busy defining yourselves. We are Africans. Private, public
> or whatever. We want to make a difference. That is what counts. The public
> sector can do their diplomacy and the private sector can finance. Where is
> the problem? WE ARE AFRICANS.
> 
> Ngenda
> 
> 
> >-- Original Message --
> >From: djilali benamrane 
> >Subject: Re: [Africa-CS-WSIS]WSIS, Civil Society and Multi-Stakeholderism
> >To: africa@wsis-cs.org, plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >Cc: wsis-finance@yahoogroupes.fr
> >Reply-To: africa@wsis-cs.org
> >Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 01:03:46 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >
> >In my point of view, as long as the CS has not find
> >the way to ensure tis financial independancy, the CS
> >will be dependant on ether Governments, or
> >international inter-governmental organisations (IGO)
> >including the UN system, or private sector operators.
> >As long as we are dependant, we do have to identify 
> >our alliers... there is a French proverbe saying
> >better to deal with God better than with its
> >servants... it means that we have to try not to be
> >eaten by the private sector if we are not already
> >eaten. My speech will be different when the CS will
> >meet her financial independancy and it is suitable,
> >feasible and possible.
> >De mon point de vue, la soci?t? civile a un lourd
> >handicap celui d'?tre totalement d?pendante
> >financi?rement parlant.
> >Tant que durera cette d?pendance autant d?pendre de
> >dieu plut?t que de ses saints... dieu ici se sont les
> >Gouvernements et le diable anime les op?rateurs du
> >secteur priv?... prenons nos distances et ?vitons
> >d'?tre avaler par ce secteur priv? devastateur.
> >Mon discours sera autre le jour o? nous trouvons la
> >solution de notre autonomie financi?re et cela est
> >possible, faisable et souhaitable.
> >Amiti?s 
> >Djilali
> >
> > 
> >--- Ad? wrote:
> >> Civil Society and Multi-Stakeholderism:
> >> Discussion emerging about opportunities and strange
> >> bedfellows
> >> 
> >> Ralf Bendrath of the Heinrich-B?ll-Foundation has
> >> written this essay 
> >> about the internal debates within civil society
> >> whether it should or 
> >> shouldn't work more closely with the private sector
> >> and governments in 
> >> the WSIS process. While some civil society
> >> representatives advocate a 
> >> "multi-stakeholder approach" in which they find ways
> >> of working closely 
> >> with these sectors, others argue that civil society
> >> must remain 
> >> independent so it may fight against policies that
> >> they
> >> believe are not 
> >> in the public interest.
> >> 
> >> http://www.worldsummit2003.de/en/web/735.htm
> >> 
> >> Ad? BADA
> >> National ACSIS COORDINATOR 
> >> FOCAL POINTin BENIN
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>
> >__________________________________________________________________
> >> D?couvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 250 Mo d'espace
> >> de stockage pour vos mails ! 
> >> Cr?ez votre Yahoo! Mail sur
> >> http://fr.mail.yahoo.com/
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Africa mailing list
> >> Africa@wsis-cs.org
> >>
> >http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/africa
> >> 
> >
> >
> >Djilali Benamrane : dbenamrane@yahoo.com
> >Tel/fax : (227) 75 35 09 BP 11207 - Niamey - Niger
> >T?l/Fax : (331) 01 45 39 77 02 Paris - France
> >Page web sur le SMSI (mecanismes de financement) : en cours de construction
> >
> >Page web sur l'Afrique et la globalisation : http://www.multimania.com/djilalibenamrane/
> >Groupe de discussion: http://www.egroups.com/list/afriqueglobalization
> >
> >
> > 
> >__________________________________ 
> >Do you Yahoo!? 
> >Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. 
> >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 09:43:42 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [Africa-CS-WSIS]WSIS, Civil Society and Multi-Stakeholderism
In-Reply-To: <24284282.1112771742203.JavaMail.www@wwinf1002>
Message-ID: <20050406084342.19975.qmail@web60701.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Jean Louis, dear Ngenda,
Starting from the Jean Louis'comment, i support : I,
as world citizen, whith african and European vision,
commit myself to act in such manner that the WSIS and
after SWSIS large debate will be opened to the CS
organizations, especially "grass-root" ones,
underdevelopped ones, african ones.
Giving means to grass roots real representatives is
one of our main challenge.
The battle will be long and difficult and african
Diaspora and North friends of Africa and of South
should help every onr in his field.
All the best
Djilali
Chers Jean Louis et Ngenda,
Partant du commentaire de Jean louis que je soutiens,
En tant que citoyen du monde avec une vision africaine
et européenne que je revendique, je m'engage d'agir de
telle sorte que le débat du SMSI et aprés le SMSI soit
largement ouvert directement et sans intermédiaires
factices, aux représentants réels de la société du
Sud, africaine et tiers-mondiste.
Aider à donner les moyes d'expression et
d'intervention à cette composante du débat sera l'un
de nos plus grand défi dans le futur.
La bataille sera longue et difficile et la disposra
africaine tout comme les amis d'Afrique... originaires
 du Nord (du monde) et des pays riches seront d'une
grande utilité pour aider à gagner des combats qui
restent ceux du monde de la pauvreté, du Sud et de
l'Afrique.
Amitiés
Djilali
 
 
--- Jean-Louis FULLSACK <jlfullsack@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> Dear Ngenda
> This is a peremptory and unconditional assertion
> that can only worry/destabilize those (like Djilali
> and myself) who are the actual "friends of the
> South" and especially of Africa. We would prefer to
> leave such an issue to an open debate with the
> actual African CS organizations, especially
> "grass-root" ones. I wonder if a part of them share
> your straight opinion. 
> Best regards
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> CSDPTT  
> 
> 
> 


Djilali Benamrane : dbenamrane@yahoo.com
Tel/fax : (227) 75 35 09 BP 11207 - Niamey - Niger
Tél/Fax : (331) 01 45 39 77 02 Paris - France
Page web sur le SMSI (mecanismes de financement) : en cours de construction 
Page web sur l'Afrique et la globalisation : http://www.multimania.com/djilalibenamrane/
Groupe de discussion: http://www.egroups.com/list/afriqueglobalization

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From karenb at gn.apc.org  Wed Apr  6 11:05:45 2005
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050406110442.04dc8ae0@pop.gn.apc.org>

dear all,

apologies if this is a cross post - i don't think i've seen it here yet..

a pretty impressive collection of papers from a diversity of WSIS 
participants..

karen

----- Original Message -----
From: <wsis@cyber.law.harvard.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: REQUIRED READING -- ITID's The World Summit in Reflection


 > Dear Colleague,
 >
 > We are pleased to call your attention to a special double issue of
 > Information Technologies and International Development - required
 > reading for anyone interested in the World Summit on the Information
 > Society. In the printed issue we have collected 37 essays creating a
 > unique resource for scholars, activists, and practitioners trying to
 > understand the substance and the politics of the Summit. In addition, we
 > are offering an online resource containing an additional 82 papers along
 > with interactive spaces for you to add your own reactions and critiques.
 >
 > Contributors to the volume and webspace represent the widest possible
 > range of perspectives, regions and professions, from the global South
 > and the North, from sharp critics to ardent supporters, from observers
 > based in government, the private sector, civil society, universities and
 > international organizations. The essays are grouped by broad category ??"
 > including Context and Setting; Critical Themes; Normative Frameworks;
 > Voices and Participation; Globalization and Development; and Outcomes
 > and Paths to Tunis. Contributors include Nancy J. Hafkin, Nicholas
 > Negroponte, Hamadoun Tour??, Hans Klein, Claudia Padovani, Derrick L.
 > Cogburn, Anriette Esterhuysen, and many others....
 >
 > *  Order the printed volume (at a 20% discount) at
 >    http://mitpress.mit.edu/itid/specialoffer/wsis
 >
 > *  Participate in the online fora and read the online papers at:
 >    http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/wsis
 >
 > *  Contact the editorial team at: itid-ed@mit.edu
 >
 > *  Join us in Tunis: We will be hosting a one-day seminar designed to
 >    further reflect on the WSIS process and chart the steps beyond
 >    Tunis. We will be following-up with details as the date approaches.
 >
 > Kind regards,
 > Michael L. Best
 > Ernest J. Wilson, III
 > Colin Maclay
 > and the rest of the Worlds Summit in Reflection team
 >
 > The World Summit in Reflection is a project of Information Technologies
 > and International Development, published by the MIT Press and edited at
 > the University of Maryland and Georgia Tech and the Berkman Center for
 > Internet and Society, Harvard Law School.
 >
 > We send out only a very limited number of emails to colleagues we
 > believe are interested in WSIS. If you would like to not receive any
 > further emails please contact us at wsis@cyber.law.harvard.edu.


From eric at civicus.org  Wed Apr  6 07:22:45 2005
From: eric at civicus.org (CIVICUS)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [WSIS THETHA] What does democracy really mean today?
Message-ID: <00ee01c53a71$0c72e920$0100007f@sn.apc.org>

FROM THE DESK OF THE SECRETARY-GENERAL 


What does democracy really mean today?
By Kumi Naidoo, CIVICUS Secretary General and Chief Executive Officer



In the aftermath of the controversial Zimbabwean elections held on 31 March 2005, questions abound about what constitutes a free and fair election. The South African government delegation said the election was free but not necessarily fair. The Southern African Development Community (SADC) took a similar view with media and other

observers saying the election was neither free nor fair. 

The African Union has reserved judgment pending further investigation into allegations raised by the opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) of problems with voters' rolls and more wide-scale vote rigging. It is worth reflecting not only on what constitutes a free and fair election but on what constitutes democracy more broadly.

Read the full message at www.civicus.org/new/content/deskofthesecretarygeneral11.htm



Best regards, 
Eric
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From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Wed Apr  6 13:39:27 2005
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [WSIS THETHA] What does democracy really mean
 today?
Message-ID: <30945113.1112791167986.JavaMail.www@wwinf0203>

Dear friends
I know there is a diplomatic language to describe what happened in Zimbabwe. But I wonder if CS has to enter into these considerations. So, please, let's call a cat  a cat ! And a "neither free nor fair election" a bad election and an attempts against basic civil rights !
Moreover, what is the credibility of "mutual gouvernance assessment" enshrined in NEPAD ? No doubt it is at the same level as are its promises in the domains of infrastructure and ICT, namely "unpredictable". At the best.
Best regards
Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT France 





> Message du 06/04/05 14:23
> De : "CIVICUS" 
> A : "wsis" 
> Copie ? : 
> Objet : [WSIS CS-Plenary] [WSIS THETHA] What does democracy really mean today?
> 
> 
FROM THE DESK OF THE SECRETARY-GENERAL 

> What does democracy really mean today?
> By Kumi Naidoo, CIVICUS Secretary General and Chief Executive Officer


In the aftermath of the controversial Zimbabwean elections held on 31 March 2005, questions abound about what constitutes a free and fair election. The South African government delegation said the election was free but not necessarily fair. The Southern African Development Community (SADC) took a similar view with media and other
observers saying the election was neither free nor fair. 
> 
> The African Union has reserved judgment pending further investigation into allegations raised by the opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) of problems with voters? rolls and more wide-scale vote rigging. It is worth reflecting not only on what constitutes a free and fair election but on what constitutes democracy more broadly.
> 
> Read the full message at www.civicus.org/new/content/deskofthesecretarygeneral11.htm
 
Best regards, 
> Eric
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> CIVICUS: World Alliance for Citizen Participation
> 24 Gwigwi Mrwebi Street ( former Pim) corner Quinn St., Newtown
> 2001 Johannesburg, South Africa
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From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ICANN, the ITU, WSIS, and Internet Governance
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050406110442.04dc8ae0@pop.gn.apc.org>
References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050406110442.04dc8ae0@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <p06210200be798c170033@[10.0.1.4]>

I came across the  March 05 edition of the Internet Protocol journal 
- and found an  opinion article on ICANN, the ITU, WSIS and internet 
Governance..details are below.


regards

Robert


The Internet Protocol Journal, Vol.8, No.1
http://www.cisco.com/application/pdf/en/us/guest/about/about/c644/ccmigration_09186a008042a4a4.pdf

Opinion: ICANN, the ITU, WSIS, and Internet Governance by  Geoff Huston, APNIC



-- 
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Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From muguet at mdpi.org  Wed Apr  6 14:31:14 2005
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050406110442.04dc8ae0@pop.gn.apc.org>
References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050406110442.04dc8ae0@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <4253E4A2.2050705@mdpi.org>

English / Fran?ais

Hello

A very short instantaneous reaction to be completed later.
The /Information Technologies and International Development/
published by the MIT and self-proclaimed (sic) as
"the premier journal in its field, focusing on the intersection of 
information and
communication technologies (ICT) with international development."
http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?sid=7C409008-C83F-4C3F-A1F6-D823D264A7D7&ttype=4&tid=59
is not freely available online except for a few articles,
glamourously advertised as "Free articles".
The MIT press can do what they want, but this
The World Summit in Reflection: A Deliberative Dialogue on the WSIS 
<http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?sid=7C409008-C83F-4C3F-A1F6-D823D264A7D7&ttype=6&tid=15597>
is certainly not inclusive by nature,  and therefore
cannot certainly be recommended on this list, but denounced.

This issue illustrates how disorganized the WSIS Civil Society is,
that is not even able to follow the recommendations of
the Summit in favour of Open Access Publishing.
How the Civil Society might hope that governments
might follow the WSIS recommendations if the Civil Society
is not following them !

I urge all authors to demand from MIT press that
all their articles be freely accessible.

This underline again the need of a structured CS, the
necessity of a CTB, so that press releases, joint statement
and editorial policies be clearly defined and followed.

Best regards

-------------------------------------------------------------

Bonjour.

Une r?action instantan?e et tr?s courte qui sera compl?t?e ult?rieurement,
Le journal "Les technologies de l'information et le d?veloppement 
international"
  par le MIT et auto-proclam? (sic ) comme "un journal de premiere 
notori?t? dans son domaine,
se concentrant sur l'intersection des technologies de l'information et 
de communication (ICT)
avec le d?veloppement international."
http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?sid=7C409008-C83F-4C3F-A1F6-D823D264A7D7&ttype=4&tid=59
n'est pas librement acc?ssible en libre, sauf quelques articles
pompeusement mis en avant comme des articles publicitaires : "article 
gratuits"
La MIT presse peut faire ce qu'elle veut, mais  certainement
"tLe sommet  mondial en r?flexion : Un dialogue d?lib?ratif sur le SMSI"
n'est pas inclusif et donc  ne peut pas certainement ?tre recommand? sur 
cette liste,
mais au contraire ?tre d?nonc?.

Cet ?pisode illustre ? quel point la soci?t? civile du SMSI est  
d?sorganis?e,
qui n'est  m?me pas capable de suivre les recommandations du sommet en 
faveur
de la publication en libre acc?s.
Comment la soci?t? civile pourrait esp?rer que les gouvernements 
puissent suivre
les recommandations de WSIS si la soci?t? civile ne les suit pas elle 
m?me !

J'incite tous les auteurs des articles d'exiger de la MIT presse le 
Libre Acc?s.

Ceci souligne encore une fois le besoin d'une SC structur?e, la 
n?cessit? d'un CTB,
de sorte que les politiques concernants communiqu?s de presse,
les proclamations communes et les politiques ?ditoriales soient 
clairement d?finis
et suivies.

Cordialement

Francis



>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <wsis@cyber.law.harvard.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:17 PM
> Subject: REQUIRED READING -- ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
>
>
> > Dear Colleague,
> >
> > We are pleased to call your attention to a special double issue of
> > Information Technologies and International Development - required
> > reading for anyone interested in the World Summit on the Information
> > Society. In the printed issue we have collected 37 essays creating a
> > unique resource for scholars, activists, and practitioners trying to
> > understand the substance and the politics of the Summit. In 
> addition, we
> > are offering an online resource containing an additional 82 papers 
> along
> > with interactive spaces for you to add your own reactions and 
> critiques.
> >
> > Contributors to the volume and webspace represent the widest possible
> > range of perspectives, regions and professions, from the global South
> > and the North, from sharp critics to ardent supporters, from observers
> > based in government, the private sector, civil society, universities 
> and
> > international organizations. The essays are grouped by broad 
> category ??"
> > including Context and Setting; Critical Themes; Normative Frameworks;
> > Voices and Participation; Globalization and Development; and Outcomes
> > and Paths to Tunis. Contributors include Nancy J. Hafkin, Nicholas
> > Negroponte, Hamadoun Tour??, Hans Klein, Claudia Padovani, Derrick L.
> > Cogburn, Anriette Esterhuysen, and many others....
> >
> > *  Order the printed volume (at a 20% discount) at
> >    http://mitpress.mit.edu/itid/specialoffer/wsis
> >
> > *  Participate in the online fora and read the online papers at:
> >    http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/wsis
> >
> > *  Contact the editorial team at: itid-ed@mit.edu
> >
> > *  Join us in Tunis: We will be hosting a one-day seminar designed to
> >    further reflect on the WSIS process and chart the steps beyond
> >    Tunis. We will be following-up with details as the date approaches.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Michael L. Best
> > Ernest J. Wilson, III
> > Colin Maclay
> > and the rest of the Worlds Summit in Reflection team
> >
> > The World Summit in Reflection is a project of Information Technologies
> > and International Development, published by the MIT Press and edited at
> > the University of Maryland and Georgia Tech and the Berkman Center for
> > Internet and Society, Harvard Law School.
> >
> > We send out only a very limited number of emails to colleagues we
> > believe are interested in WSIS. If you would like to not receive any
> > further emails please contact us at wsis@cyber.law.harvard.edu.
>
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MDPI Foundation Open Access Journals
Associate Publisher
http://www.mdpi.org   http://www.mdpi.net
muguet@mdpi.org       muguet@mdpi.net

ENSTA   Paris, France
KNIS lab.  Director 
"Knowledge Networks & Information Society" (KNIS)
muguet@ensta.fr   http://www.ensta.fr/~muguet

World Summit On the Information Society (WSIS)
Civil Society Working Groups
Scientific Information :  http://www.wsis-si.org  chair
Patents & Copyrights   :  http://www.wsis-pct.org co-chair
Financing Mechanismns  :  http://www.wsis-finance.org web

UNMSP project : http://www.unmsp.org
WTIS initiative: http://www.wtis.org
------------------------------------------------------ 


From hans.klein at pubpolicy.gatech.edu  Wed Apr  6 14:32:57 2005
From: hans.klein at pubpolicy.gatech.edu (Hans Klein)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] INTERNET GOVERNANCE PROJECT: "What to Do
  About ICANN"
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20050406010700.05b9be80@pop.mail.gatech.edu>
References: <6.1.0.6.2.20050406010700.05b9be80@pop.mail.gatech.edu>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20050406093128.0307de50@pop.mail.gatech.edu>

Dear Robert,

Thanks for the citation to this interesting article by Geoff Huston. (I am 
responding under my original posting subject, but your message is below.)

I think where our "What do Do About ICANN" piece differs from this article 
and others is that we don't propose a single, "right" governance 
institution.  Rather, we propose a decentralized model of coordination and 
competition.

There is no one single institution that is perfect for global Internet 
governance.  ICANN is not perfect.  The ITU is not perfect.  Any other 
proposed model will not be perfect.  But we are not trapped in that choice set.

Decentralization takes multiple unsatisfactory models and combines them 
into a system of checked and balanced governance.  "Ambition must be made 
to counteract ambition." [1]  This is an established principle in the 
design of governance systems, and it has a pretty good track record.

Each branch of a decentralized system has a powerful incentive to cooperate 
with the other.  Each has a powerful incentive to compete.  The combination 
of cooperation and competition is very beneficial for the public 
interest.  It yields a degree of vigilant, expert, and continuous oversight 
that is otherwise difficult to achieve.

Hans


Reference
[1] James Madison/Alexander Hamilton, "Federalist Paper No. 51"
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/federal/fed51.htm





At 08:53 AM 4/6/2005, Robert Guerra wrote:

>I came across the  March 05 edition of the Internet Protocol journal - and 
>found an  opinion article on ICANN, the ITU, WSIS and internet 
>Governance..details are below.
>
>
>regards
>
>Robert
>
>
>The Internet Protocol Journal, Vol.8, No.1
>http://www.cisco.com/application/pdf/en/us/guest/about/about/c644/ccmigration_09186a008042a4a4.pdf
>
>Opinion: ICANN, the ITU, WSIS, and Internet Governance by  Geoff Huston, APNIC
At 01:07 AM 4/6/2005, you wrote:

>     *********************************************************
>                     The Internet Governance Project
>                     announces a new policy analysis:
>
>                     "WHAT DO TO ABOUT ICANN:
>          A PROPOSAL FOR STRUCTURAL REFORM"
>
>                     www.InternetGovernance.org
>
>     **********************************************************
>
>The authors analyze how ICANN exercises governmental powers
>without possessing corresponding mechanisms for accountability.
>They propose three accountability mechanisms:
>1. Creation of an international oversight body to replace US
>     oversight of ICANN
>2. Restoration of ICANN's global elections
>3. Decentralization of the Internet root zone and coordinated
>     management between ICANN and the ITU.
>
>The paper is available at the Internet Governance Project site:
>      http://www.internetgovernance.org
>The executive summary is below.
>
>This analysis will be discussed in an on-line forum to be held
>on April 22, 2005. Additional details to be announced.
>
>
>The Internet Governance Project is an interdisciplinary consortium of
>academics comprised of:
>Dr. Milton Mueller, Professor, Syracuse University School of
>       Information Studies
>Dr. Hans Klein, Associate Professor, Georgia Institute of Technology,
>       School of Public Policy
>Dr. John R. Mathiason, Adjunct Professor, Syracuse University
>       Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs
>Dr. Lee McKnight, Associate Professor, Syracuse University School
>       of Information Studies
>Dr. Marc Holitscher, Lecturer, Institut f?r Politikwissenschaft der
>       Universit?t Z?rich
>Dr. Derrick L. Cogburn, Assistant Pofessor, Syracuse University,
>       School of Information Studies
>
>###
>
>
>                             Executive Summary
>
>                     "WHAT DO TO ABOUT ICANN:
>          A PROPOSAL FOR STRUCTURAL REFORM"
>
>                    by Hans Klein and Milton Mueller
>
>With the 2005 World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) in
>Tunisia quickly approaching, and with the work of the UN Working
>Group on Internet Governance (WGIG) well underway, it is time to
>identify concrete policy options for Internet governance. Any
>initiatives in this area must address the criticisms that have been
>made of ICANN.  Although the international community has defined
>?Internet governance? in a way that goes beyond ICANN?s control
>of domain names and addresses, ICANN nonetheless remains
>central to many issues. Here we propose a series of structural
>reforms for it.
>
>The proposals here are designed to address the most important
>criticisms that have been made of ICANN. These criticisms include:
>*  Concerns about unilateralism by the US Government in its control
>    of the DNS root and its supervision of ICANN.
>*  Dissatisfaction with ICANN?s Government Advisory Committee (GAC),
>     where governments have only advisory powers.
>*  The perception that ICANN?s governance model does not properly
>     balance the interests of developed and developing countries and
>     suppliers and users.
>*  Concerns about the relations between ICANN, country code top
>     level domain administrators (ccTLDs), and national governments.
>*  The overall perception that ICANN lacks legitimacy.
>
>To address these issues, this paper proposes the following reforms
>for ICANN:
>1)  Limits on power and internationalized oversight. A legally-binding
>      international agreement narrowly defining ICANN?s powers and
>      replacing US Government supervision with internationalized
>      supervision .  This would allow abolition of ICANN?s Government
>      Advisory Committee.
>2)  Democratization. Reinstatement and strengthening of the At Large
>      membership of ICANN, especially a return to election of the At Large
>      Board members and the granting of voting rights on ICANN?s GNSO
>      to At Large representatives.
>3)  Competition. Coordinated sharing of responsibilities between ICANN
>      and the ITU in a way that would allow ccTLD managers and IP address
>      users a choice of alternative governance arrangements.
>
>See full analysis at:  http://www.internetgovernance.org
>
>###
>
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From karenb at gn.apc.org  Wed Apr  6 14:36:25 2005
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
In-Reply-To: <4253E4A2.2050705@mdpi.org>
References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050406110442.04dc8ae0@pop.gn.apc.org>
 <4253E4A2.2050705@mdpi.org>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050406143501.032d2ce0@pop.gn.apc.org>

hi francis

>This issue illustrates how disorganized the WSIS Civil Society is,
>that is not even able to follow the recommendations of
>the Summit in favour of Open Access Publishing.
>How the Civil Society might hope that governments
>might follow the WSIS recommendations if the Civil Society
>is not following them !
>
>I urge all authors to demand from MIT press that
>all their articles be freely accessible.

good suggestion francis - why not draft something to send do MIT? or as a 
template for authors?

karen


From nne75 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 14:47:14 2005
From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Appel à Contributions
Message-ID: <20050406134714.57215.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com>


La Société Civile Africaine pour la Société de l’Information – ACSIS, en collaboration avec la Commission Economique pour l’Afrique portent à votre connaissance la proche publication du Manuel : Africa and the WSIS: From Principles to Action. Perspectives from the Civil Society Les personnes issues de la Société civile, ayant l’intérêt et la compétence, sont invitées à collaborer. 

Objectif de la publication : Présenter les perspectives de la société civile sur le SMSI, démontrer les leçons apprises et recommander les prochains étapes pour un Plan d’Action Africain 


Lecteurs cibles : Les décideurs, les chefs d’états et des gouvernements, organisations internationales et la société civile élargie.

Financement : La Commission Economique pour l’Afrique (CEA)

Coordinatrice des coauteurs de la société civile : Nnenna Nwakanma

Prix pour contribution (2è partie) : 100 dollars 


Longueur mots : 2500 à 5000 (2è partie)

Meilleure pratiques, leçons apprises : maximum 2000 mots 


Timing

Suggestions et additions sur le contenu : 10 avril 05

Abstracts à envoyer au plus tard : 26 avril 05

Autorisation d’écrire au plus tard : 30 avril 05

Fin d’articles : 30 juin 05

Envoyer à l’adresse suivante : infohki@yahoo.com 


xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 

Africa and the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) : 

>From Principles to Action. Perspectives from the Civil Society

First Part

Chapter I : The Africa Information Society Initiative - AISI- Africa’s Digital Agenda

This chapter will explain the principles, the agenda and the realisations of the AISI as Africa’s framework to the deployment of ICT for a sustainable regional development. Particular attention will be given to partnerships, grassroots mobilisation, and civil society involvement.

Chapter II The World Summit on the Information Society - WSIS

I Understanding the WSIS

This section will give background information on the WSIS, its objectives, processes and other useful information for an understanding of the summit. Special attention will be given the role of the Africa Civil Society from the beginning of the process to the present.

II The outcomes of the WSIS

The purpose of this part is to highlight the concrete parts of the Declaration of Principles and Action Plan. It will also include the other sectoral outcomes, like the Civil Society Declaration.

SECOND PART

Chapter III Issues in the use of ICT for Development

The issues here may include

   Internet Governance 
   Finance Mechanisms 
   Media 
   Human Rights 
   Gender 
   Cultural Diversity 
   Content and Application 
   Free and Open Source Software 
   Intellectual Property Rights

Chapter IV Mainstreaming ICT for African Development

The issues here may include

   National, sub-regional and Regional policies and their implementation 
   Financing Mechanisms for ICT at the grassroots level 
   Poverty Reduction Strategies 
   Millennium Development Goals 
   Infrastructure 
   Indicators and Benchmarks etc

Chapter V Partnerships for a viable and inclusive African Information Society

The objective of this section will be:

   To highlight the role, and the Action Plan of the Civil Society in the Information Society 
   Seek concrete proposals on promoting partnership with the Private Sector in a win-win framework 
   Understand barriers to effective partnerships in the multi-stakeholder framework of the Information Society and how to tackle them

THIRD PART

Chapter VI Best Practices and lessons learned in the use of ICT for development.

This part will aim at showcasing diverse stories from all parts of Africa and the globe. 

VII The way forward

This chapter will draw on the outcome of the African Preparatory Conference, Accra and will aim at presenting concrete recommendations on the next steps for ICT for African development. It 


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From atanu.garai at oneworld.net  Wed Apr  6 14:50:12 2005
From: atanu.garai at oneworld.net (Atanu Garai)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
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Message-ID: <GFEDKBEIKFFCGKADJIGFKEDNFNAA.atanu.garai@oneworld.net>

in this connection, http://wiki.dspace.org/DspaceInstances is a good
initiative by few institutes. the POA text on open access is certainly need
to be strengthened.

en fran?ais
? cet ?gard, http://wiki.dspace.org/DspaceInstances est une bonne initiative
par peu d'instituts. le texte de POA sur l'acc?s ouvert est certainement le
besoin d'?tre renforc?.

--
atanu



-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of Dr. Francis MUGUET
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:01 PM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection



English / Fran?ais

Hello

A very short instantaneous reaction to be completed later.
The /Information Technologies and International Development/
published by the MIT and self-proclaimed (sic) as
"the premier journal in its field, focusing on the intersection of
information and
communication technologies (ICT) with international development."
http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?sid=7C409008-C83F-4C3F-A1F6
-D823D264A7D7&ttype=4&tid=59
is not freely available online except for a few articles,
glamourously advertised as "Free articles".

<<snipped>>



From beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar  Wed Apr  6 15:43:16 2005
From: beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar (Beatriz Busaniche)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
In-Reply-To: <4253E4A2.2050705@mdpi.org>
References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050406110442.04dc8ae0@pop.gn.apc.org>
	 <4253E4A2.2050705@mdpi.org>
Message-ID: <1112798596.4638.31.camel@localhost>

El mi?, 06-04-2005 a las 15:31 +0200, Dr. Francis MUGUET escribi?:

> 
> I urge all authors to demand from MIT press that
> all their articles be freely accessible.

I strongly support your statement, Francis!.

together with Diego Levis, we will ask them to publish our article on
the website, freely accesible.

abrazos
Beatriz


> 
> 



From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Wed Apr  6 16:03:02 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Governance indicators - A user's guide
Message-ID: <p0621020cbe79aa4c1490@[10.0.1.2]>

This guide provides direction on how to use and where to find sources 
of governance indicators.They have only included sources that are 
live at the time of writing (summer 2004).This is because the focus 
is on the user, meaning that current data is required. There have 
been data sources which are no longer live, but which are interesting 
to the methodologist; however these are beyond the scope of the 
publication. In compiling the guide we verified factual information 
with the producers of each indicator source.

http://www.undp.org/oslocentre/docs04/UserGuide.pdf


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Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From rkoven at compuserve.com  Wed Apr  6 17:58:02 2005
From: rkoven at compuserve.com (Ronald Koven)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
Message-ID: <200504061258_MC3-1-9A7D-2A90@compuserve.com>

Dear Francis --

MIT is a private entity. 

It has every right to attempt to generate revenue by selling its materials.


There is no requirement, legal or moral, that organizations go bankrupt to
meet your view that everything should be free and that nobody should be
allowed to make a living from his/her work.

The ultimate logic of your position is that we'll all be totally dependent
on government handouts.

And where will that leave our freedoms ?

Best, Rony Koven


From ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es  Wed Apr  6 18:04:13 2005
From: ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es (Lady Murrugarra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] congratulations: Beatriz, Anriette and others persons...
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050406170413.80194.qmail@web26501.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

 
----- Original Message ----- From: <wsis@cyber.law.harvard.edu>
To: <ladym@upch.edu.pe>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:58 AM
Subject: REQUIRED READING -- ITID's The World Summit in Reflection



Dear Colleague,

We are pleased to call your attention to a special double issue of
Information Technologies and International Development - required
reading for anyone interested in the World Summit on the Information
Society. In the printed issue we have collected 37 essays creating a
unique resource for scholars, activists, and practitioners trying to
understand the substance and the politics of the Summit. In addition, we
are offering an online resource containing an additional 82 papers along
with interactive spaces for you to add your own reactions and critiques.

Contributors to the volume and webspace represent the widest possible
range of perspectives, regions and professions, from the global South
and the North, from sharp critics to ardent supporters, from observers
based in government, the private sector, civil society, universities and
international organizations. The essays are grouped by broad category ??"
including Context and Setting; Critical Themes; Normative Frameworks;
Voices and Participation; Globalization and Development; and Outcomes
and Paths to Tunis. Contributors include Nancy J. Hafkin, Nicholas
Negroponte, Hamadoun Tour??, Hans Klein, Claudia Padovani, Derrick L.
Cogburn, Anriette Esterhuysen, and many others....

*  Order the printed volume (at a 20% discount) at
   http://mitpress.mit.edu/itid/specialoffer/wsis

*  Participate in the online fora and read the online papers at:
   http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/wsis

*  Contact the editorial team at: itid-ed@mit.edu

*  Join us in Tunis: We will be hosting a one-day seminar designed to
   further reflect on the WSIS process and chart the steps beyond
   Tunis. We will be following-up with details as the date approaches.

Kind regards,
Michael L. Best
Ernest J. Wilson, III
Colin Maclay
and the rest of the Worlds Summit in Reflection team

The World Summit in Reflection is a project of Information Technologies
and International Development, published by the MIT Press and edited at
the University of Maryland and Georgia Tech and the Berkman Center for
Internet and Society, Harvard Law School.

We send out only a very limited number of emails to colleagues we
believe are interested in WSIS. If you would like to not receive any
further emails please contact us at wsis@cyber.law.harvard.edu.




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From gurstein at ADM.NJIT.EDU  Wed Apr  6 18:18:43 2005
From: gurstein at ADM.NJIT.EDU (Gurstein, Michael)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
Message-ID: <A0E19BF31237DE4A9B1FF1E122FAC13A0E2266F8@ADMCLUSTER.njitdm.campus.njit.edu>

Hmmm.

But the issue of course, is that its not "their" i.e. MIT's material...
Rather it is material which scholars have given (via copyright) to MIT
and which MIT is then in the business of selling back to them (via their
institution's library budgets).  And in addition the materials
themselves have been in many cases generated through the use of public
funds (e.g. university salaries or publicly funded research grants). 

So publicly supported institutions are thus expected to pay for publicly
funded materials freely given to a private institution. (Anybody else
see something slightly askew with that picture?)

I personally, have decided to follow Lawrence Lessig's lead and only
publish my academic writing in Open Archive journals which make their
materials freely available to all via the net.

Mike Gurstein

Michael Gurstein, Ph.D.
School of Management 
New Jersey Institute of Technology

Editor-in-Chief Journal of Community Informatics http://ci-journal.net
Honorary Professor: Central Queensland University, Queensland, AU
Senior Scholar: Claremont Information Technology Institute, Claremont
University, California, USA
Honorary Research Scholar: Centre for Community Networking Research,
Monash University, AU
Chair: Community Informatics Research Network http://www.ciresearch.net
 

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On
Behalf Of Ronald Koven
Sent: April 6, 2005 6:58 PM
To: INTERNET:plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection


Dear Francis --

MIT is a private entity. 

It has every right to attempt to generate revenue by selling its
materials.


There is no requirement, legal or moral, that organizations go bankrupt
to meet your view that everything should be free and that nobody should
be allowed to make a living from his/her work.

The ultimate logic of your position is that we'll all be totally
dependent on government handouts.

And where will that leave our freedoms ?

Best, Rony Koven

_______________________________________________
Plenary mailing list
Plenary@wsis-cs.org
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary

From parminder at itforchange.net  Wed Apr  6 18:49:46 2005
From: parminder at itforchange.net (Parminder)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITU and open access recommendations of WSIS
In-Reply-To: <4253E4A2.2050705@mdpi.org>
Message-ID: <20050406174950.3DAD314B6D3@mail.gn.apc.org>

Dear All,

As Rony Koven notes in a later mail, MIT is a private organisation and its
conduct cannot be taken as an illustration of

>>  how disorganized the WSIS Civil Society is,
that is not even able to follow the recommendations of
the Summit in favour of Open Access Publishing.>>

But the Geneva Plan of Action does call for 

>> Encourage initiatives to facilitate access, including free and affordable
access to open access journals and
books, and open archives for scientific information.>>

and academic organisations, often publicly funded in one way or the other,
must take note of this view and commitment of the world community.

However, a better indicator of how 'disorganised'(to use Francis's original
description) - and really unmindful of all the big commitments that get
inscribed in WSIS documents - practically everyone is in the WSIS process is
that ITU itself - which is not only the host and 'UN organising agency' for
WSIS but also positions itself as a candidate to kingpin some key and
substantial follow up processes to WSIS - still refuses open access to its
reports that are expressly scientific and development information.  

ITU calls itself ' the leading publisher of telecommunication technology,
regulatory and standard information.' All this information is of
scientific/technological nature or otherwise of public value. The above
recommendation of WSIS Geneva POA expressly applies to it, but ITU carries
on with a neat e-commerce shop on its website even for accessing all this
public-use information on a digital format.
(http://www.itu.int/publications/index.html).

Our organisation has actually found itself handicapped to seek needed
information from ITU site for its public purpose research. The prices for
buying the information from ITU are very stiff for an organisation operating
in a developing country.   

Regards to all

Parminder 



______________________________________
Parminder Jeet Singh
IT for Change, Bangalore
Bridging Development Realities and Technological Possibilities
www.ITforChange.net
Ph: 91 80 2665 4134
Mobile: 91 98 4594 9445
 

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On Behalf
Of Dr. Francis MUGUET
Sent: 06 April 2005 19:01
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection


English / Fran?ais

Hello

A very short instantaneous reaction to be completed later.
The /Information Technologies and International Development/
published by the MIT and self-proclaimed (sic) as
"the premier journal in its field, focusing on the intersection of 
information and
communication technologies (ICT) with international development."
http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?sid=7C409008-C83F-4C3F-A1F6
-D823D264A7D7&ttype=4&tid=59
is not freely available online except for a few articles,
glamourously advertised as "Free articles".
The MIT press can do what they want, but this
The World Summit in Reflection: A Deliberative Dialogue on the WSIS 
<http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?sid=7C409008-C83F-4C3F-A1F
6-D823D264A7D7&ttype=6&tid=15597>
is certainly not inclusive by nature,  and therefore
cannot certainly be recommended on this list, but denounced.

This issue illustrates how disorganized the WSIS Civil Society is,
that is not even able to follow the recommendations of
the Summit in favour of Open Access Publishing.
How the Civil Society might hope that governments
might follow the WSIS recommendations if the Civil Society
is not following them !

I urge all authors to demand from MIT press that
all their articles be freely accessible.

This underline again the need of a structured CS, the
necessity of a CTB, so that press releases, joint statement
and editorial policies be clearly defined and followed.

Best regards

-------------------------------------------------------------



From j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk  Wed Apr  6 19:10:04 2005
From: j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk (Jonathan Cave)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
In-Reply-To: <A0E19BF31237DE4A9B1FF1E122FAC13A0E2266F8@ADMCLUSTER.njitdm
 .campus.njit.edu>
References: <A0E19BF31237DE4A9B1FF1E122FAC13A0E2266F8@ADMCLUSTER.njitdm.campus.njit.edu>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050406184332.02477448@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>

That's exactly correct.

Koven's comments do not fit the realities of (academic) research. He 
accuses Francis of believing that "nobody should be allowed to make a 
living from his/her work." This is disingenuous. Those of us at academic 
institutions are not (directly) compensated for the transfer of copyright. 
It is the publisher who makes the profit (really a rent for a 
legally-induced and otherwise wholly artificial scarcity), not the author. 
Moreover, the profit is mostly generated from the budgets of research 
libraries, which do not make money from direct exploitation of the work on 
their shelves.

In some cases, the selling-back is even more direct: library budgets are 
limited (though this journal is bundled with EBSCO Business Source Premier) 
so some scholars have to fund necessary subscriptions through personal or 
grant monies. Some journals (though not this one) charge hefty submission 
fees.

But the argument that scientific output should be free to readers does not 
mean that no payment is needed or collectable.
    * Since the immediate benefits of publishing a particular article in a 
peer-reviewed journal accrue to the author(s) (in the form of promotion, 
increased odds of proposal funding and other reputation rents) and the host 
institution (in countries where research output is evaluated and used to 
allocate institutional funding), it is reasonable that they should pay. The 
readers benefit collectively, eventually and as a 'public good.'
    * Even if readers are made to pay, efficiency suggests that they should 
pay in proportion to their marginal benefit. This cannot easily be 
determined and appropriate payment cannot be enforced. It is certainly hard 
to see why journal publishers (many commercial entities) should be funded 
through research libraries - at best this is a relic of the age of paper 
journals that were difficult to produce, distribute, archive and copy.
    * Even if journals charge for subscriptions, there is a strong case for 
open archiving of the material once published. The arguments for open 
archiving - as distinct from open access - are well-known (including but 
not limited to the obvious point that as taxpayers we have already paid for 
the research once); it is worth observing that even some commercial 
publishers accept and even welcome 'eprint archiving'
    * The point is that (even University-hosted) journals will survive on 
the basis of the 'quality imprimatur' and added-value they provide. Those 
that don't provide these things will die - and rightly so!
Competition should be used to promote efficient and equitable activity, not 
the opposite.

Cheers,

J.

At 18:18 06/04/2005, you wrote:
>Hmmm.
>
>But the issue of course, is that its not "their" i.e. MIT's material... 
>Rather it is material which scholars have given (via copyright) to MIT and 
>which MIT is then in the business of selling back to them (via their 
>institution's library budgets).  And in addition the materials themselves 
>have been in many cases generated through the use of public funds (e.g. 
>university salaries or publicly funded research grants).
>
>So publicly supported institutions are thus expected to pay for publicly 
>funded materials freely given to a private institution. (Anybody else see 
>something slightly askew with that picture?)
>
>I personally, have decided to follow Lawrence Lessig's lead and only 
>publish my academic writing in Open Archive journals which make their
>materials freely available to all via the net.
>
>Mike Gurstein
>
>Michael Gurstein, Ph.D.
>School of Management
>New Jersey Institute of Technology
>
>Editor-in-Chief Journal of Community Informatics http://ci-journal.net
>Honorary Professor: Central Queensland University, Queensland, AU
>Senior Scholar: Claremont Information Technology Institute, Claremont
>University, California, USA
>Honorary Research Scholar: Centre for Community Networking Research,
>Monash University, AU
>Chair: Community Informatics Research Network http://www.ciresearch.net
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On
>Behalf Of Ronald Koven
>Sent: April 6, 2005 6:58 PM
>To: INTERNET:plenary@wsis-cs.org
>Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
>
>
>Dear Francis --
>
>MIT is a private entity.
>
>It has every right to attempt to generate revenue by selling its materials.
>
>
>There is no requirement, legal or moral, that organizations go bankrupt to 
>meet your view that everything should be free and that nobody should
>be allowed to make a living from his/her work.
>
>The ultimate logic of your position is that we'll all be totally
>dependent on government handouts.
>
>And where will that leave our freedoms ?
>
>Best, Rony Koven
>
>_______________________________________________
>Plenary mailing list
>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
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From ecarll at optonline.net  Wed Apr  6 21:31:12 2005
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
In-Reply-To: <200504061258_MC3-1-9A7D-2A90@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCMEABIPAA.ecarll@optonline.net>

Dear All,

Congratulations to those who wrote articles  for the ITID's The World Summit
in Reflection.  According to the website information "This work is licensed
under a Creative Commons License."   Therefore copying and distributing the
online papers for non commercial purposes is permitted.  See below for
description.

You can click on the following link to access the online papers  at:
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/wsis

<<<Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.0

You are free:

    * to copy, distribute, display, and perform the work
    * to make derivative works

Under the following conditions:

Attribution. You must give the original author credit.

Noncommercial. You may not use this work for commercial purposes.

Share Alike. If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may
distribute the resulting work only under a license identical to this one.

    * For any reuse or distribution, you must make clear to others the
license terms of this work.
    * Any of these conditions can be waived if you get permission from the
copyright holder.

Your fair use and other rights are in no way affected by the above.>>>


Hope this helps clarify our ability to distribute the papers.

Best regards,

Elizabeth

Dr. Elizabeth Carll
Focal Point to WSIS
International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
Chair, Media/ICT Working Group,
UN NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York:


-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of Ronald Koven
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:58 PM
To: INTERNET:plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection


Dear Francis --

MIT is a private entity.

It has every right to attempt to generate revenue by selling its materials.


There is no requirement, legal or moral, that organizations go bankrupt to
meet your view that everything should be free and that nobody should be
allowed to make a living from his/her work.

The ultimate logic of your position is that we'll all be totally dependent
on government handouts.

And where will that leave our freedoms ?

Best, Rony Koven

_______________________________________________
Plenary mailing list
Plenary@wsis-cs.org
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary



From meigs at wanadoo.fr  Wed Apr  6 21:52:36 2005
From: meigs at wanadoo.fr (Meigs)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
In-Reply-To: <1112798596.4638.31.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <BE7A18B4.DA06%meigs@wanadoo.fr>

 Dear all,

I strongly support the statement by Francis and i suggest as many authors as
possible ask MIT to publish their article on line, with free access.


Best
Divina

>> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
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> 



From ecarll at optonline.net  Wed Apr  6 22:18:51 2005
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
In-Reply-To: <BE7A18B4.DA06%meigs@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCIEADIPAA.ecarll@optonline.net>

Dear Divina and all,

I thought there is free access  to the online papers and ability to
distribute as I indicated in my previous post.  Access the online papers
at:  http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/wsis

This work is licensed  under a Creative Commons License.  Am I missing
something?

Elizabeth

Dr. Elizabeth Carll
Focal Point to WSIS
International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
Chair, Media/ICT Working Group,
UN NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York:

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of Meigs
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:53 PM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection


 Dear all,

I strongly support the statement by Francis and i suggest as many authors as
possible ask MIT to publish their article on line, with free access.


Best
Divina

>> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>


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From mclauglm at po.muohio.edu  Wed Apr  6 23:40:44 2005
From: mclauglm at po.muohio.edu (mclauglm@po.muohio.edu)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
In-Reply-To: 
 <A0E19BF31237DE4A9B1FF1E122FAC13A0E2266F8@ADMCLUSTER.njitdm.campus.njit.ed
 u>
References: 
 <A0E19BF31237DE4A9B1FF1E122FAC13A0E2266F8@ADMCLUSTER.njitdm.campus.njit.ed
 u>
Message-ID: <p06010200be7a0c645e23@[192.168.1.100]>

Here's a story:

I believe that this occurred at prepcom 2 of the first phase of WSIS. 
At a Contents and Themes meeting (Rony was present, I believe), we 
were reviewing language in one version of the draft declaration. The 
majority of C&T interlocutors supported language that took 
communication to be a public good that should not be prevented from 
enhancing knowledges because of strict intellectual property laws and 
policies. Someone from the International Publishers Association 
(IPA). (I forget the person's name) was angered because he wanted to 
protect the rights of "owners" of copyrighted material. He was in the 
"creators and promoters of culture" family, which was one of several 
venues for the private sector to insert itself into CS processes. 
After the meeting, I asked him if we could talk for a bit, and he 
agreed; I pointed out that, ironically, his position that the 
creators of culture need to have their rights protected had the 
potential to undermine the very industry that he represented (full 
disclosure: he represents two of my publishers) because, if one wants 
to be specific, publishers aren't creators of culture--authors are. 
And, in most cases, authors are forced to sign contracts that gives 
away their rights to their own work because that's the only way that 
their work will ever see the light of day. My new friend from the IPA 
agreed that this was indeed an issue, but he said that, in the long 
run, the publishing industry would always win because authors don't 
have many choices but to do business with the those who demand to 
have copyright transferred to them; therefore, by taking a position 
supporting the rights of creators of culture (and who doesn't?), he 
could keep up appearances as a good citizen while not having to 
suffer any real threats from authors.

Which all leads to what I think is an important point: What Lawrence 
Lessig and Michael Gurstein are doing is sincerely admirable. But, 
respectfully, I'd suggest that publishing in Open Archive journals 
works for them because both have already achieved tenure and/or 
promotion and a status in their respective fields that expands their 
options. Michael, you are astute, and I would guess that you are 
aware that, in publishing in Open archive journals, there is less 
threat to you professionally-speaking than that which would be risked 
by junior scholars who have not yet received tenure and/or promotion. 
For the latter, the jewel in the crown is the established, 
mainstream, usually organizationally-associated journals, almost all 
of which are published  by publishers who demand that copyright be 
reassigned to them. Through mergers and acquisitions, these 
publishers are becoming an oligopoly. Open archive journals are still 
viewed with a great deal of skepticism, at least in the US, when it 
comes to having one's writing evaluated.

One reason why I mention this is that I know that not everyone on 
this list is an academic or a writer who is looking for the broadest 
audience possible and forced to conform to the notion of "legitimate" 
publishing venues. As some others have mentioned, we need to help one 
another understand things because we are a diverse lot. The other 
reason is that I believe that we should fight for the idea of 
communication as a public good in the broadest sense, and one way of 
doing so is to fight for alternative methods of publishing, such as 
Open Archive, as legitimate, regardless of the demands of the 
institutions to which we are attached and the economic needs of the 
mainstream publishing industry.

Best,

Lisa (in full disclosure: among other things, I'm editor of Feminist 
Media Studies, which is owned by one of the behemoths of for-profit 
journal publishing: Taylor and Francis Ltd; but, in my defense, I 
signed the contract before my smaller, less oligopolistic publisher 
was bought out by T&F:))



>
>
>I personally, have decided to follow Lawrence Lessig's lead and only
>publish my academic writing in Open Archive journals which make their
>materials freely available to all via the net.
>
>Mike Gurstein
>
>Michael Gurstein, Ph.D.
>School of Management
>New Jersey Institute of Technology
>

From Mueller at syr.edu  Wed Apr  6 23:43:27 2005
From: Mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
Message-ID: <s2542deb.086@gwia201.syr.edu>

Ah, more ideological bullying from our friends in the free software movement. Notice that we are not given an argument by Francis, we are given a "demand"  and urged to "denounce" those evil people who only put some, not all, of their journal contents on line. 

I reject Francis's statement on grounds of civility, political philosophy, and logical consistency. I am frankly embrassed and disturbed by the obsequious responses it generated. Let me just inform Francis, and everyone else, that I for one am utterly unintimidated.

With respect to civility, this list purports to be a forum for global civil society. Therefore, no one has the right to assert their religion as a categorical, non-negotiable moral imperative that others must bow to without any justification. No more demands, no more "denouncing," please. Let's hear persuasion and let's see some respect for different points of view. 

With respect to political philosophy, would someone please inform me as to when and where civil society decided that all attempts to sell books, journals, magazines, etc. are illegitimate? Will someone explain to me when and where _everyone_ who writes incurred a moral obligation to make the content universally available regardless of circumstances? Mike Gurstein at least provides an intelligible rationale for resisting certain limited aspects of the scholarly publication racket. But he proposes a constructive and focused approach - a choice to not put any of his own work into formats that are sold. Fine. I would make the same choice about 50% of the time, but see no categorical reason to do so all the time. 

Third, I am always amused by the selectivity of these attacks. Like all political sects, they tend to direct their wrath at whoever is in closest proximity to them in a movement, not the real enemies. So the little ITID journal should be "denounced," but no such response was forthcoming when an article in the Economist Magazine was mentioned. Last I looked Economist does not put all its contents online for free. Or they attack Derrick Cogburn's attempts to include people in meetings using a proprietary collaborative software. Cogburn uses it because it is the best available tool and there are no open source substitutes. But Muguet always attempts to block it. Note that he doesn't try to get people to stop using the entire UN/ITU website because there are Adobe Acrobat and MS Word documents on it (proprietary software for which there are good open substitutes). On these transgressions of the religion, he is silent. 

What accounts for the different treatment? Well, by denouncing and fighting others within the same movement for minor transgressions one builds power for one's sect. Focusing your energy on the real problems just means hard work. There is a certain mindset that finds it much more rewarding to denounce one's associates in the common work, thereby elevating oneself above him or her. 

I must confess feeling a certain chill when reading this:

>This underline again the need of a structured CS, the
>necessity of a CTB, so that press releases, joint statement
>and editorial policies be clearly defined and followed.

Well. I have also argued for a more structured CS, but for me the point is that defined rules and process enable freedom and fair participation. This exchange also underlines the _dangers_ of a structured CS. Some people want to set themselves up as arbiters of what the rest of us can do and say. 

--MM

>>> muguet@mdpi.org 4/6/2005 9:31:14 AM >>>

English / Fran?ais

Hello

A very short instantaneous reaction to be completed later.
The /Information Technologies and International Development/
published by the MIT and self-proclaimed (sic) as
"the premier journal in its field, focusing on the intersection of 
information and
communication technologies (ICT) with international development."
http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?sid=7C409008-C83F-4C3F-A1F6-D823D264A7D7&ttype=4&tid=59 
is not freely available online except for a few articles,
glamourously advertised as "Free articles".
The MIT press can do what they want, but this
The World Summit in Reflection: A Deliberative Dialogue on the WSIS 
<http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?sid=7C409008-C83F-4C3F-A1F6-D823D264A7D7&ttype=6&tid=15597>
is certainly not inclusive by nature,  and therefore
cannot certainly be recommended on this list, but denounced.

This issue illustrates how disorganized the WSIS Civil Society is,
that is not even able to follow the recommendations of
the Summit in favour of Open Access Publishing.
How the Civil Society might hope that governments
might follow the WSIS recommendations if the Civil Society
is not following them !

I urge all authors to demand from MIT press that
all their articles be freely accessible.

Best regards

-------------------------------------------------------------

Bonjour.

Une r?action instantan?e et tr?s courte qui sera compl?t?e ult?rieurement,
Le journal "Les technologies de l'information et le d?veloppement 
international"
  par le MIT et auto-proclam? (sic ) comme "un journal de premiere 
notori?t? dans son domaine,
se concentrant sur l'intersection des technologies de l'information et 
de communication (ICT)
avec le d?veloppement international."
http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?sid=7C409008-C83F-4C3F-A1F6-D823D264A7D7&ttype=4&tid=59 
n'est pas librement acc?ssible en libre, sauf quelques articles
pompeusement mis en avant comme des articles publicitaires : "article 
gratuits"
La MIT presse peut faire ce qu'elle veut, mais  certainement
"tLe sommet  mondial en r?flexion : Un dialogue d?lib?ratif sur le SMSI"
n'est pas inclusif et donc  ne peut pas certainement ?tre recommand? sur 
cette liste,
mais au contraire ?tre d?nonc?.

Cet ?pisode illustre ? quel point la soci?t? civile du SMSI est  
d?sorganis?e,
qui n'est  m?me pas capable de suivre les recommandations du sommet en 
faveur
de la publication en libre acc?s.
Comment la soci?t? civile pourrait esp?rer que les gouvernements 
puissent suivre
les recommandations de WSIS si la soci?t? civile ne les suit pas elle 
m?me !

J'incite tous les auteurs des articles d'exiger de la MIT presse le 
Libre Acc?s.

Ceci souligne encore une fois le besoin d'une SC structur?e, la 
n?cessit? d'un CTB,
de sorte que les politiques concernants communiqu?s de presse,
les proclamations communes et les politiques ?ditoriales soient 
clairement d?finis
et suivies.

Cordialement

Francis



>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <wsis@cyber.law.harvard.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:17 PM
> Subject: REQUIRED READING -- ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
>
>
> > Dear Colleague,
> >
> > We are pleased to call your attention to a special double issue of
> > Information Technologies and International Development - required
> > reading for anyone interested in the World Summit on the Information
> > Society. In the printed issue we have collected 37 essays creating a
> > unique resource for scholars, activists, and practitioners trying to
> > understand the substance and the politics of the Summit. In 
> addition, we
> > are offering an online resource containing an additional 82 papers 
> along
> > with interactive spaces for you to add your own reactions and 
> critiques.
> >
> > Contributors to the volume and webspace represent the widest possible
> > range of perspectives, regions and professions, from the global South
> > and the North, from sharp critics to ardent supporters, from observers
> > based in government, the private sector, civil society, universities 
> and
> > international organizations. The essays are grouped by broad 
> category ??"
> > including Context and Setting; Critical Themes; Normative Frameworks;
> > Voices and Participation; Globalization and Development; and Outcomes
> > and Paths to Tunis. Contributors include Nancy J. Hafkin, Nicholas
> > Negroponte, Hamadoun Tour??, Hans Klein, Claudia Padovani, Derrick L.
> > Cogburn, Anriette Esterhuysen, and many others....
> >
> > *  Order the printed volume (at a 20% discount) at
> >    http://mitpress.mit.edu/itid/specialoffer/wsis 
> >
> > *  Participate in the online fora and read the online papers at:
> >    http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/wsis 
> >
> > *  Contact the editorial team at: itid-ed@mit.edu 
> >
> > *  Join us in Tunis: We will be hosting a one-day seminar designed to
> >    further reflect on the WSIS process and chart the steps beyond
> >    Tunis. We will be following-up with details as the date approaches.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Michael L. Best
> > Ernest J. Wilson, III
> > Colin Maclay
> > and the rest of the Worlds Summit in Reflection team
> >
> > The World Summit in Reflection is a project of Information Technologies
> > and International Development, published by the MIT Press and edited at
> > the University of Maryland and Georgia Tech and the Berkman Center for
> > Internet and Society, Harvard Law School.
> >
> > We send out only a very limited number of emails to colleagues we
> > believe are interested in WSIS. If you would like to not receive any
> > further emails please contact us at wsis@cyber.law.harvard.edu.
>
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From Mueller at syr.edu  Thu Apr  7 00:03:58 2005
From: Mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
Message-ID: <s25432b4.000@gwia201.syr.edu>

So Muguet's moral outrage was not even informed by fact. Typical. 

>>> ecarll@optonline.net 4/6/2005 4:31:12 PM >>>
Congratulations to those who wrote articles  for the ITID's The World
Summit
in Reflection.  According to the website information "This work is
licensed
under a Creative Commons License."   Therefore copying and distributing
the
online papers for non commercial purposes is permitted.  See below for
description.



From ecarll at optonline.net  Thu Apr  7 00:34:55 2005
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
In-Reply-To: <s2542deb.086@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCGEAHIPAA.ecarll@optonline.net>

Dear Milton, Lisa, Francis, and all.

Thank you for the point-counterpoint to help clarify.  My response was
specifically focused on the ITID's special WSIS issue which is available
free online.  It was not intended to address the big heated picture on
copyrights and intellectual property.

There are many interesting factors especially the "publish or perish"
mentality in academia. The need to publish in credible mainstream
publications is a reality for many.

BTW, those of us who are full-time practitioners/consultants view it as
"publish and perish" as in contrast to academicians, it takes time away from
income producing activities.  Those of us who are full-time
practitioners/consultants and publish often are looked upon as rare birds
( perhaps with diminished incomes and/or annoyed neglected families).  It
was also one of the reasons why I advocated that members of caucuses and
working groups should NOT be required to attend EVERY PrepCom.  Otherwise
special interest groups will be composed primarily of staff people/employees
of large/well funded NGOs or academicians and would discriminate against the
diversity of CS.

Elizabeth

Dr. Elizabeth Carll
Focal Point to WSIS
International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
Chair, Media/ICT Working Group,
UN NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York




From mclauglm at po.muohio.edu  Thu Apr  7 01:07:34 2005
From: mclauglm at po.muohio.edu (mclauglm@po.muohio.edu)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:46 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
In-Reply-To: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCGEAHIPAA.ecarll@optonline.net>
References: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCGEAHIPAA.ecarll@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <p06010200be7a29752da3@[192.168.1.100]>

Elizabeth, my message wasn't intended to suggest that your message 
was an attempt to address the larger issue. I appreciate your careful 
attention to the details of this specific situation; it's just that 
there are larger issues implicated in such discussions, and I was 
attempting to address these.

Thanks,

Lisa



>Dear Milton, Lisa, Francis, and all.
>
>Thank you for the point-counterpoint to help clarify.  My response was
>specifically focused on the ITID's special WSIS issue which is available
>free online.  It was not intended to address the big heated picture on
>copyrights and intellectual property.
>
>There are many interesting factors especially the "publish or perish"
>mentality in academia. The need to publish in credible mainstream
>publications is a reality for many.
>
>BTW, those of us who are full-time practitioners/consultants view it as
>"publish and perish" as in contrast to academicians, it takes time away from
>income producing activities.  Those of us who are full-time
>practitioners/consultants and publish often are looked upon as rare birds
>( perhaps with diminished incomes and/or annoyed neglected families).  It
>was also one of the reasons why I advocated that members of caucuses and
>working groups should NOT be required to attend EVERY PrepCom.  Otherwise
>special interest groups will be composed primarily of staff people/employees
>of large/well funded NGOs or academicians and would discriminate against the
>diversity of CS.
>
>Elizabeth
>
>Dr. Elizabeth Carll
>Focal Point to WSIS
>International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
>Chair, Media/ICT Working Group,
>UN NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York
>
>
>
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>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


From mjr at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Apr  7 02:22:06 2005
From: mjr at dsl.pipex.com (MJ Ray)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:43:27 -0400 
	<s2542deb.086@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s2542deb.086@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <E1DJLig-0002X4-00@pipe.localnet>

Milton Mueller alleged:
> Ah, more ideological bullying from our friends in the free software =
> movement. Notice that we are not given an argument by Francis, we are =
> given a "demand"  and urged to "denounce" those evil people who only put =
> some, not all, of their journal contents on line.=20

[eo; en below]
A, neprovokitaj atakoj pri liberaj programaroj de niaj amikoj
en la universitata movado! Mi kredas ke cxiuj povas vidi
facile ke la posxtajxoj, al kiu Milton Mueller respondis,
estis inspirita de la subtenado de la movado por "Malfermaj
Arkivoj". Cxi tie havas kelkajn similajxojn, sed ne estas
ekzakte liberaj programaroj.  Mi ne scias kial MM mencias nin.

Ah, more pre-emptive free software bashing from our friends in
the university movement!  I think that everyone can easily see
that the message to which Milton Mueller replied was inspired by
support for the Open Archive movement. That has some similarities
but is not exactly free software. I'm unsure why "MM" mentions us.

Notice also that "demand" is basically a synonym for "ask" even
if it has other connotations in some dialects of English. I
think a bit more civility in interpretation would be good.

-- 
MJR
http://www.affs.org.uk/~mjr/


From muguet at mdpi.org  Thu Apr  7 02:54:39 2005
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050406143501.032d2ce0@pop.gn.apc.org>
References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050406110442.04dc8ae0@pop.gn.apc.org> <4253E4A2.2050705@mdpi.org> <6.2.0.14.0.20050406143501.032d2ce0@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <425492DF.3070007@mdpi.org>

Hello !

Coming back to read the list, after a hectic day.
Trying to answer or comment on this thread.

>>
>> I urge all authors to demand from MIT press that
>> all their articles be freely accessible.
>
>
> good suggestion francis - why not draft something to send do MIT? or 
> as a template for authors?
>
Thanks a lot Karen for your support.
In fact, It is now my faint recollection that I have been in contact to 
submit
a contribution to this journal.  Of course, I requested that  my  
contribution
should be freely available online, and it seems that
Michael L. Best told me it was OK.  Now, I cannot find the mails
related to this exchange to be sure. I remember I was too busy and I let
pass the deadline.
I guess that authors should ask and due to the nature of the topic,
the publisher should fell compelled to adopt an open access policy
at least for this issue
A good example is the
Serials Review : *Volume 30, Issue 4, Special Issue: Open Access 2004* 
<http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/00987913> (December 2004)
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/00987913
published by the commercial publisher Reed Elsevier,
where authors have been successfull (after putting some fight )
in forcing this powerfull publisher to adopt an open access policy for 
this issue.

If the MIT Press refuses, then we can setup a mirror of the table of content
( the TOC is open access ) with instead of links to the paid-per-view  
article,
a link to an institutional archive or the personnal site of the author.
It is a new Open Access strategy that I have been thinking for a while,
pushing the notion of an overlay journal to its limits.
This is the project "Reprints.net" that I am planning to propose
to the SI group soon within a coherent set of measures to implement
Open Access.  I am still working on this, to refine the ideas.

-----------------------------
Dear Atanu

>in this connection, http://wiki.dspace.org/DspaceInstances is a good
>initiative by few institutes. the POA text on open access is certainly need
>to be strengthened.
>
Yes, Dspace is one of the Open Archive intiative. If the MIT refuses to 
allow
Open Access, but allow Open Archiving then authors might their reprints 
there.
------------------------------

>I urge all authors to demand from MIT press that
>> all their articles be freely accessible.
>  
>
>I strongly support your statement, Francis!.
>
>together with Diego Levis, we will ask them to publish our article on
>the website, freely accesible.
>
>  
>
Muchas gracias Beatriz !
lo sab?a que pod?a siempre contar con tu apoyo !

>abrazos
>Beatriz
>
------------------------------------------

Dear Rony


>MIT is a private entity. 
>
>  
>
Funded by public and philanthropic funds

>It has every right to attempt to generate revenue by selling its materials.
>  
>
that people are giving them to free....
this is not commerce, but a vast "con artist" scheme

>There is no requirement, legal or moral, that organizations go bankrupt to
>meet your view that everything should be free and that nobody should be
>allowed to make a living from his/her work.
>  
>
I forgive you, you are simply ignorant of the facts;
academic authors are not paid for their work by publishers
have a look at
http://www.wsis-si.org/oa-facts.html
read also the speek by Samassekou
http://www.wsis-si.org/CODATA/codata-samassekou-en.pdf
also in French
http://www.wsis-si.org/CODATA/codata-samassekou-fr.pdf

Now, since you are in the Media caucus, let me stress sonething
that I should ponder :
It is that amazing that most of the newpapers are"open access" while their
publishing companies have every right to make readers to pay for this 
information,
because they have to pay their journalists, while scientific publsihers 
are making
huge profits taking advantage of academics.....

----------------------------------------
Dear Mike

>I personally, have decided to follow Lawrence Lessig's lead and only
>publish my academic writing in Open Archive journals which make their
>materials freely available to all via the net.
>
>Mike Gurstein
>
>Michael Gurstein, Ph.D.
>School of Management 
>New Jersey Institute of Technology
>
>Editor-in-Chief Journal of Community Informatics http://ci-journal.net
>
>
Cheers !, you are a publisher of an Open Access journal. !
I already noticed your journal because it is using the PKP
system that we are beginning to use partially for MDPI journals.
I was not aware you were interested by the WSIS.
Good News to have another OA supporter onboard !

---------------------------------------------
Dear Jonathan

>That's exactly correct. 
>
>Koven's comments do not fit the realities of (academic) research. He
>accuses Francis of believing that "nobody should be allowed to make
>a living from his/her work." This is disingenuous. Those of us at
>academic institutions are not (directly) compensated for the transfer of
>copyright. It is the publisher who makes the profit (really a rent for a
>legally-induced and otherwise wholly artificial scarcity), not the
>author. Moreover, the profit is mostly generated from the budgets of
>research libraries, which do not make money from direct exploitation of
>the work on their shelves. 

I am not surprised by your answer !
Thanks a lot for your vigilance, you accurate answer and 
your timely support, 
your active participation in the SI group has always been
a tremendous asset for OA lbbbying at the WSIS.  
--------------------------------------------

Dear Elizabeth

>According to the website information "This work is licensed
>under a Creative Commons License."   Therefore copying and distributing the
>online papers for non commercial purposes is permitted.  See below for
>description.


This is quite interesting because at the MIT press site
http://mitpress.mit.edu/shared/legal/default.asp?sid=B3186ABC-A161-475D-97FF-499B99C1BD7A
Terms of Use :
Except as provided in the preceding sentences or as permitted by the fair use
privilege under the U.S. copyright laws (see e.g., 17 U.S.C. Section 107),
Users may not upload, post, reproduce, or distribute in any way Content
protected by copyright, or other proprietary right, without obtaining
permission of the owner of the copyright or other propriety right. In
addition to the foregoing, use of any software Content shall be governed
by the software license agreement accompanying such software.

but at the site you mentionned
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/wsis/
I remember having seen this site when considering to contribute.

Welcome to The World Summit in Reflection: a Deliberative Dialogue on WSIS brought to you by the journal 
Information Technologies and International Development <http://mitpress.mit.edu/itid> and the 

Berkman Center for Internet and Society <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu>, Harvard Law School.

it is written
This work is licensed under a Creative Commons License <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/>.
What is the "work" as defined ?
May be not the works of the authors in this issue. 

You should have clicked to check if the papers were really available,
because when you click on the links, for example 
Beatriz or Divina papers then you are re-directed to the 
journal for the mention : 
Coming Soon - Alert me when this article is available <http://mitpress.mit.edu/shared/mlist/subscribe.asp?sid=9FAAEB29-A52C-4B4E-8AB7-178BAA05A9D4&ttype=6&tid=15614>
with at the bottom of the page
TERMS OF USE <http://mitpress.mit.edu/shared/legal/default.asp?sid=9FAAEB29-A52C-4B4E-8AB7-178BAA05A9D4> | PRIVACY POLICY <http://mitpress.mit.edu/shared/privacy/default.asp?sid=9FAAEB29-A52C-4B4E-8AB7-178BAA05A9D4> | COPYRIGHT ? 2005 MIT

So this is not so clear, but nevertheless, thanks a lot,
 it brings some angle of legal traction if the MIT press refuses 
to open this issue, because authors could take cover
of this ambiguity and argue that their understanding 
was their work was covered by the
Creative Commons License.
----------------------------------

>I strongly support the statement by Francis and i suggest as many authors as
>possible ask MIT to publish their article on line, with free access.
>
>Best
>Divina

Merci Divina, la aussi , on savait que l'on pouvait compter sur toi
pour d?fendre l'Acc?s Libre.
--------------------------------------
Dear Elizabeth

>I thought there is free access  to the online papers and ability to
>distribute as I indicated in my previous post.  Access the online papers
>at:  http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/wsis
>
>This work is licensed  under a Creative Commons License.  Am I missing
>something?

Yes, you missed to click and check, but thanks again pointing out
the Creative Commons License on the site

-----------------------------------
Dear Lisa


> that which would be risked 
>by junior scholars who have not yet received tenure and/or promotion. 
>For the latter, the jewel in the crown is the established, 
>mainstream, usually organizationally-associated journals, almost all 
>of which are published  by publishers who demand that copyright be 
>reassigned to them. Through mergers and acquisitions, these 
>publishers are becoming an oligopoly. Open archive journals are still 
>viewed with a great deal of skepticism, at least in the US, when it 
>comes to having one's writing evaluated.

You are pointing why many scientits have become accomplice of
such a monopolistic system : because of evaluation and promotion,
and their desire for career, without having a full conscience
of their societal responsablities.  
All OA supporters are painfully aware of those sad facts.
Now, to turn the tide, one should make aware the evuating bodies :
granting bodies, institutions, governement of this obsolete
scheme, when, in the end, it is the funding bodies (whether public 
or private ) that are subsidizing a very profitable and
parisitic industry that is enlarging the digital divide
at the content level.

Let me tell you that we have made some progress in that direction
at the WSIS, and other OA supporters have made progresses
with the Berlin Declaration.
Many European governements are slowing realizing that they
are victim of a "con artist" scheme of an unprecendented
magnitude and they do not want to pay the bills anymore.
Many develloping countries are now bring pressure on the
western gouverments to act.
Because bringing OA, is a win/win propostion :
Western governements are making huge savings and
develloping have the free access to knowledge they need
to avoid brain drain and promote sustainable development.

So, do not be pessismitic: we will prevail.


> One reason why I mention this is that I know that not everyone on this 
> list is an academic or a writer 

There is the SI group to discuss this between academics,
scientists ahd officials.

>Lisa (in full disclosure: among other things, I'm editor of Feminist 
>Media Studies, which is owned by one of the behemoths of for-profit 
>journal publishing: Taylor and Francis Ltd; but, in my defense, I 
>signed the contract before my smaller, less oligopolistic publisher 
>was bought out by T&F:))

This is akin to the slave trade, sold to one master, resold to
another....
In France, this situation has gone so wrong that Gauthiers-Villars
is still receiving subsidies from the French government, while
it has been acquired by Reed-Elsevier !

---------------------------------------------------

Dear Milton

>Ah, more ideological bullying from our friends in the free software movement. Notice that we are not given an argument by Francis, we are given a "demand"  and urged to "denounce" those evil people who only put some, not all, of their journal contents on line. 

Please distinguish the issue of "Free Software" and "Open Access".
I am first and foremost a scientist that promotes "Open Access", while I also
actively promote "Free Software".
They are obvious philosophical connections in between the two movements, but
the context and the goals are distinct. 



>I reject Francis's statement on grounds of civility, political philosophy, and logical consistency. I am frankly embrassed and disturbed by the obsequious responses it generated. Let me just inform Francis, and everyone else, that I for one am utterly unintimidated.
>

Oh, Milton, you give me a good occasion to laugh !   This is complete paranoia


> mentioned. Last I looked Economist does not put all its contents online for free. Or they attack Derrick Cogburn's attempts to include people in meetings using a proprietary collaborative software.

OK ! OK ! , we are getting to the bottom of this flame 
You hate me because I prevented the implementation of the
non inclusive solution of your fellow colleague Derek from Syracuse University like you. 
I appreciate and I share the enthusiasm of Derek concerning the use
of Virtual Conferencing tools but not at any cost, in all the sense of this word.  

> Cogburn uses it because it is the best available tool and there are no open source substitutes.


I do not agree with this technical analysis. In fact, I presented at PrepCom2 another
solution based on GnomeMeeting,  another aspect is that
the disability caucus has determined that Dr. Cogburn software solution does not provide 
tools for people with disabilities, while GnomeMeeting does.  
I would let the disability caucus to answer on this, because
they contacted the commercial supplier and got no answer.

> But Muguet always attempts to block it. Note that he doesn't try to get people to stop using the entire UN/ITU website because there are Adobe Acrobat and MS Word documents on it (proprietary software for which there are good open substitutes). On these transgressions of the religion,

Speaking of religion... sounds like the inquisition 


> he is silent. 

No, I am not silent on this !. I repeatedly asked the ITU people
 to provide not  only secret proprietary formats like
DOC, but open ( even though proprietary, but that's fine
with me, ADOBE is a very correct compay ) PDF format, 
and recently you may have noticed they are
using more and more HTML for documents.
So the ITU is making some progress, albeit very slow.
Yes, you are right, Milton, I would love to see the OpenOffice formats been available
on the WSIS site.   
At the PrepCom2, I was lobbying with Governemental delegations for
free interoperability. 


> Well. I have also argued for a more structured CS, but for me the 
> point is that defined rules and process enable freedom and fair 
> participation. This exchange also underlines the _dangers_ of a 
> structured CS. Some people want to set themselves up as arbiters of 
> what the rest of us can do and say.

Not all, what we need a constitution, not a dictature... 
( which does need necessarily not a constitution, while a democracy certainly does ) 
please do not make too easy and simplistic assimilation,  
Does the US constitution prevents people to have their freedom in 
your magnificent country ?
Actually the Civil Society is in the wild wild west, 
with cowboys, bounty hunters, preachers, naive pilgrims, 
all kind of people all around...


-----------------------------------------------------

>So Muguet's moral outrage was not even informed by fact. Typical.

Oh, Milton !  How could you have been so confident
in your premature judgment and
not have checked for yourself... one click too far...

when writing your name, 
I cannot help but to think about the poet
http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/milton/
and his verses...
Paradise has been lost but it can regained ! 
http://www.literature.org/authors/milton-john/paradise-regained/chapter-04.html
by the way available through
the courtesy of an OA project...

----------------------------------------------------


Thanks to all OA supporters !

Cheers !  

Francis 









 










 


-- 

------------------------------------------------------ 
Francis F. MUGUET Ph.D 

MDPI Foundation Open Access Journals
Associate Publisher
http://www.mdpi.org   http://www.mdpi.net
muguet@mdpi.org       muguet@mdpi.net

ENSTA   Paris, France
KNIS lab.  Director 
"Knowledge Networks & Information Society" (KNIS)
muguet@ensta.fr   http://www.ensta.fr/~muguet

World Summit On the Information Society (WSIS)
Civil Society Working Groups
Scientific Information :  http://www.wsis-si.org  chair
Patents & Copyrights   :  http://www.wsis-pct.org co-chair
Financing Mechanismns  :  http://www.wsis-finance.org web

UNMSP project : http://www.unmsp.org
WTIS initiative: http://www.wtis.org
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From muguet at mdpi.org  Thu Apr  7 03:15:46 2005
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Reflexion en =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ais?=
Message-ID: <425497D2.5050507@mdpi.org>

Bonsoir mes amis francophones

Dommage pour la diversit? lingustique, mais j'ai
d?j? pein? pour repondre ? cette avalanche, mais
ce n'est pas ? quatre heures du matin que je
mettre ? traduire tout en fran?ais, et encore
moins ? mon r?veil...

Cependant, pour les francophones, il y a
un merveilleux discours d'Adama Samassekou
concernant le Libre Acc?s, que je vous invite
tous ? lire:

http://www.wsis-si.org/CODATA/codata-samassekou-fr.pdf

Amicalement

Francis

-- 

------------------------------------------------------ 
Francis F. MUGUET Ph.D 

MDPI Foundation Open Access Journals
Associate Publisher
http://www.mdpi.org   http://www.mdpi.net
muguet@mdpi.org       muguet@mdpi.net

ENSTA   Paris, France
KNIS lab.  Director 
"Knowledge Networks & Information Society" (KNIS)
muguet@ensta.fr   http://www.ensta.fr/~muguet

World Summit On the Information Society (WSIS)
Civil Society Working Groups
Scientific Information :  http://www.wsis-si.org  chair
Patents & Copyrights   :  http://www.wsis-pct.org co-chair
Financing Mechanismns  :  http://www.wsis-finance.org web

UNMSP project : http://www.unmsp.org
WTIS initiative: http://www.wtis.org
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From atanu.garai at oneworld.net  Thu Apr  7 05:39:01 2005
From: atanu.garai at oneworld.net (Atanu Garai)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITU and open access recommendations of WSIS
In-Reply-To: <20050406174950.3DAD314B6D3@mail.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <GFEDKBEIKFFCGKADJIGFOEGMFNAA.atanu.garai@oneworld.net>

Dear Parminder,
I agree with you that ITU's case needs to be reviewed. Most of the UN
organisations have book sale facilities, but at the same time, unlike ITU, a
good amount of the titles are made available through websites as well,
typical example UNESCO and World Bank. If we have to implement the POA text,
ITU should open its repository of knowledge.

/Atanu

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of Parminder
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:20 PM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITU and open access recommendations of
WSIS



Dear All,

As Rony Koven notes in a later mail, MIT is a private organisation and its
conduct cannot be taken as an illustration of

>>  how disorganized the WSIS Civil Society is,
that is not even able to follow the recommendations of
the Summit in favour of Open Access Publishing.>>

But the Geneva Plan of Action does call for

>> Encourage initiatives to facilitate access, including free and affordable
access to open access journals and
books, and open archives for scientific information.>>

and academic organisations, often publicly funded in one way or the other,
must take note of this view and commitment of the world community.

However, a better indicator of how 'disorganised'(to use Francis's original
description) - and really unmindful of all the big commitments that get
inscribed in WSIS documents - practically everyone is in the WSIS process is
that ITU itself - which is not only the host and 'UN organising agency' for
WSIS but also positions itself as a candidate to kingpin some key and
substantial follow up processes to WSIS - still refuses open access to its
reports that are expressly scientific and development information.

ITU calls itself ' the leading publisher of telecommunication technology,
regulatory and standard information.' All this information is of
scientific/technological nature or otherwise of public value. The above
recommendation of WSIS Geneva POA expressly applies to it, but ITU carries
on with a neat e-commerce shop on its website even for accessing all this
public-use information on a digital format.
(http://www.itu.int/publications/index.html).

Our organisation has actually found itself handicapped to seek needed
information from ITU site for its public purpose research. The prices for
buying the information from ITU are very stiff for an organisation operating
in a developing country.

Regards to all

Parminder



______________________________________
Parminder Jeet Singh
IT for Change, Bangalore
Bridging Development Realities and Technological Possibilities
www.ITforChange.net
Ph: 91 80 2665 4134
Mobile: 91 98 4594 9445


-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On Behalf
Of Dr. Francis MUGUET
Sent: 06 April 2005 19:01
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection


English / Fran?ais

Hello

A very short instantaneous reaction to be completed later.
The /Information Technologies and International Development/
published by the MIT and self-proclaimed (sic) as
"the premier journal in its field, focusing on the intersection of
information and
communication technologies (ICT) with international development."
http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?sid=7C409008-C83F-4C3F-A1F6
-D823D264A7D7&ttype=4&tid=59
is not freely available online except for a few articles,
glamourously advertised as "Free articles".
The MIT press can do what they want, but this
The World Summit in Reflection: A Deliberative Dialogue on the WSIS
<http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?sid=7C409008-C83F-4C3F-A1F
6-D823D264A7D7&ttype=6&tid=15597>
is certainly not inclusive by nature,  and therefore
cannot certainly be recommended on this list, but denounced.

This issue illustrates how disorganized the WSIS Civil Society is,
that is not even able to follow the recommendations of
the Summit in favour of Open Access Publishing.
How the Civil Society might hope that governments
might follow the WSIS recommendations if the Civil Society
is not following them !

I urge all authors to demand from MIT press that
all their articles be freely accessible.

This underline again the need of a structured CS, the
necessity of a CTB, so that press releases, joint statement
and editorial policies be clearly defined and followed.

Best regards

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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  7 08:35:49 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS-WSIS- non-englophone statut
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050407073549.25848.qmail@web60706.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear friend Francis,
I like very much your message .... Yes it is too much
difficult to have to translate from English to French
! Some lucky French leaders in the WSIS, speaking
English can participate to the debate... and are
disturbed by the multilunguisme request ... they plaid
for let's go ahead, not time to lose... does not
matter with the low people, those who are illeterate
in English, living in France but also living in the
Francophone world (old french colonised countries in
Africa.... it's time to regret that we have not been
colonised by America or England or Australia ! OK This
current debate on MIT practices as well as lot of
other debates are not for us ! don't acte as said
french tales....
Cher Francis....   
J'adore ton message plein de vérité et de courage...
Je n'ai pas besoins de traduire du mot à mot, ce que
je veux dire c'est que les non englophones sont
condamnés à être des laissez pour compte dans ce
débats sur le SMSI avec des différentiations : il vaut
mieux être un laissez pour compte en ex métropole
qu'en pays ex colonisés (je pense à l'Afrique
francophone qui me tiens tant à coeur au point de
regretter que nous n'ayons pas été colonisés par les
américains, les anglais ou les australiens) !

--- "Dr. Francis MUGUET" <muguet@mdpi.org> wrote:
> Bonsoir mes amis francophones
> 
> Dommage pour la diversité lingustique, mais j'ai
> déjà peiné pour repondre à cette avalanche, mais
> ce n'est pas à quatre heures du matin que je
> mettre à traduire tout en français, et encore
> moins à mon réveil...
> 
> Cependant, pour les francophones, il y a
> un merveilleux discours d'Adama Samassekou
> concernant le Libre Accès, que je vous invite
> tous à lire:
> 
>
http://www.wsis-si.org/CODATA/codata-samassekou-fr.pdf
> 
> Amicalement
> 
> Francis
> 
> -- 
>

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From karenb at gn.apc.org  Thu Apr  7 08:45:06 2005
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITU and open access recommendations of
  WSIS
In-Reply-To: <GFEDKBEIKFFCGKADJIGFOEGMFNAA.atanu.garai@oneworld.net>
References: <20050406174950.3DAD314B6D3@mail.gn.apc.org>
 <GFEDKBEIKFFCGKADJIGFOEGMFNAA.atanu.garai@oneworld.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050407084208.0429b2b0@pop.gn.apc.org>

dear parminder and all

I agree with you that ITU's case needs to be reviewed. Most of the UN
>organisations have book sale facilities, but at the same time, unlike ITU, a
>good amount of the titles are made available through websites as well,
>typical example UNESCO and World Bank. If we have to implement the POA text,
>ITU should open its repository of knowledge.

i'm interested in this particularly at the moment as the WGIG is finalising 
the 'assessment' papers of existing governance mechanisms in respect the 
'basket' of issues identified as important in the governance landscape.

there is one section on content accessibility and i would really appreciate 
more/additional factual comments as regards the extent to which 
organisations - particularly UN agencies, make their content available, and 
under what circumstances - but also, interested in government policies that 
promote open access models..

would need this pretty quickly though.. and, the info needs to be as brief 
and succinct as possible..

karen



From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  7 09:07:19 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [WSIS THETHA] What does democracy really mean today?
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050407080719.33032.qmail@web60706.mail.yahoo.com>

Good point Jean Louis !
But we need an global good governance vision,
indenpendantly from the dicktat of any powerfull
country or leader. It is easy to put every debate
under an undefined democracy concept implemented
differently depending on situaton and appreciation of
a very limitted number of leaders (this could be a
definition of dicktature and not democracy).
I cannot accept that when demonstrations, reactions,
"constructed votes" are favourable or not to a certain
country they are considered as good practices and good
governance and if people are against it's denounced as
a bad governance... It is said that in ex soviet union
contries West foundations and civile society
associations supported and are supporting process
destabilzing current systems trying to cut any link
with social development approach and reinforcing the
market law... if this is the only vision of the global
good governance, we have to debate and to recall the
cat a white elephant of the futur world we are
building for our children.
Bonne reflexion Jean Louis...
Le monde manque d'une définition élémentaire de la
bonne gouvernance mondiale et globale..... sinon dans
le monde de demain que nous sommes en train de
construire le fameux chat va devenir un éléphant blanc
 et il y a matière à s'inquiéter pour nos enfants et
l'humanité de demain.
   
--- Jean-Louis FULLSACK <jlfullsack@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> Dear friends
> I know there is a diplomatic language to describe
> what happened in Zimbabwe. But I wonder if CS has to
> enter into these considerations. So, please, let's
> call a cat  a cat ! And a "neither free nor fair
> election" a bad election and an attempts against
> basic civil rights !
> Moreover, what is the credibility of "mutual
> gouvernance assessment" enshrined in NEPAD ? No
> doubt it is at the same level as are its promises in
> the domains of infrastructure and ICT, namely
> "unpredictable". At the best.
> Best regards
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> CSDPTT France 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Message du 06/04/05 14:23
> > De : "CIVICUS" 
> > A : "wsis" 
> > Copie à : 
> > Objet : [WSIS CS-Plenary] [WSIS THETHA] What does
> democracy really mean today?
> > 
> > 
> FROM THE DESK OF THE SECRETARY-GENERAL 
> 
> > What does democracy really mean today?
> > By Kumi Naidoo, CIVICUS Secretary General and
> Chief Executive Officer
> 
> 
> In the aftermath of the controversial Zimbabwean
> elections held on 31 March 2005, questions abound
> about what constitutes a free and fair election. The
> South African government delegation said the
> election was free but not necessarily fair. The
> Southern African Development Community (SADC) took a
> similar view with media and other
> observers saying the election was neither free nor
> fair. 
> > 
> > The African Union has reserved judgment pending
> further investigation into allegations raised by the
> opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) of
> problems with voters’ rolls and more wide-scale vote
> rigging. It is worth reflecting not only on what
> constitutes a free and fair election but on what
> constitutes democracy more broadly.
> > 
> > Read the full message at
>
www.civicus.org/new/content/deskofthesecretarygeneral11.htm
>  
> Best regards, 
> > Eric
> >
>
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> > Communications Associate 
> > CIVICUS: World Alliance for Citizen Participation
> > 24 Gwigwi Mrwebi Street ( former Pim) corner Quinn
> St., Newtown
> > 2001 Johannesburg, South Africa
> > Tel: +27 11 833-5959 ext no. 136
> > Fax: +27 11 833-7997
> > Skype: muragana
> > Cell: +27 83 758-1032
> > 
> > Join CIVICUS. Visit www.civicus.org
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------

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From j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk  Thu Apr  7 09:24:27 2005
From: j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk (Jonathan Cave)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
In-Reply-To: <s25432b4.000@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s25432b4.000@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050407091713.023b0cc0@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>

At 00:03 07/04/2005, Milton wrote:
>So Muguet's moral outrage was not even informed by fact. Typical.
>
> >>> ecarll@optonline.net 4/6/2005 4:31:12 PM >>>
>Congratulations to those who wrote articles  for the ITID's The World 
>Summit in Reflection.  According to the website information "This work is 
>licensed under a Creative Commons License."   Therefore copying and 
>distributing the online papers for non commercial purposes is 
>permitted.  See below for description.

It would be better for those participating in this on-line exchange, 
particularly when they attempt a principled stance (to quote from the 
previous post: "civility, political philosophy, and logical consistency"), 
carefully to read the articles they criticise. Francis actually said:

>The /Information Technologies and International Development/ published by 
>the MIT and self-proclaimed (sic) as "the premier journal in its field, 
>focusing on the intersection of information and communication technologies 
>(ICT) with international development." (URL removed) is not freely 
>available online except for a few articles

It seems pretty clear that this refers to the Journal as a whole, not to 
this special issue.

Cheers,

J.



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From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Thu Apr  7 10:22:09 2005
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] reforming ITU
Message-ID: <8579120.1112865729360.JavaMail.www@wwinf0601>

On 04/07/05 Parminder wrote "I agree with you that ITU?s case needs to be reviewed ?.."

Dear Parminder
Dear CS members
Not only do I agree with Parminder?s analysis upon ITU and its questionable business with matters that could even be considered as Global Public Goods (standards, general technical and regulatory information, reports on technology and development generally worked out by its members all over the world), but also would I remind the CS of the wordings, presentations and proposals on ITU reform needs issued by CSDPTT during the first phase of WSIS, and generally left out, when not countered, by the CS and its constituencies. Have a look at our website to read these different analysis and contributions (www.csdptt.org) which are basically in French but some are in English : you?ll find there some of the concerns expressed now by the same CS representatives. 
Thus let?s go further and beyond this "business case" and consider the whole problem with the ITU. I just mention its most important issues : CS membership, ITU refocusing on its main tasks (i.a. a global and balanced telecoms development), a rethinking of its dogmatic position on deregulation and privatization, and ITU?s future i.a. in relation with WSIS follow-up.
These considerations have to be at highest priority in the CS agenda for the next PrepCom. Because, as some governments asked for during PrepCom-2, it may be likely that the ITU could be more involved in Internet Gouvernance and even be the future international/multilateral agency devoted to that end. Therefore a profound reform of the ITU is both an urgent need and a prerequisite for its future tasks as well as for WSIS? future.
CSDPTT will submit its proposals to the CS at the latest at PrepCom-3, and from now on ask for a real and open debate during one of the earliest CS Plenaries. This doesn?t exclude a discussion on our mailing list, which could prepare this "face to face" debate and raise some arguments for the CS proposals to this most important issue.
Best regards
Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT

Cher Parminder
Chers membres de la SC 
Je ne partage pas seulement l?analyse de Parminder sur l?UIT et son commerce discutable avec des mati?res que l?on pourrait m?me consid?rer comme Biens Publics ? l??chelle mondiale (les normes, l?information technique et r?glementaire g?n?rale, les rapports sur les technologies et sur le d?veloppement g?n?ralement ?labor?s par ses membres ? travers le monde), mais je voudrais aussi rappeler ? la SC les contributions, pr?sentations et propositions de CSDPTT pendant la premi?re phase du SMSI sur les besoins de r?forme de l?UIT, laiss?es de c?t? sinon contr?s par la SC et ses structures. Jetez un coup d??il sur son site (www.csdptt.org) pour lire ses diff?rentes analyses et contributions qui sont en principe en fran?ais mais certains sont en anglais : vous y trouverez quelques unes des pr?occupations exprim?es maintenant par les m?me repr?sentants de la SC.
Allons donc plus loin et au-del? de ce ? cas commercial ? et prenons en compte le probl?me entier avec l?UIT. Je n?en mentionne que quelques sujets : la SC comme membre de l?UIT, le recentrage de l?UIT sur ses fonctions principales (comme le d?veloppement global et ?quilibr? des t?l?coms), repenser sa position dogmatique sur la d?r?glementation et les privatisations, et l?avenir de l?UIT notamment en relation avec le suivi du SMSI.
Ces consid?rations doivent ?tre de la plus haute priorit? sur l?ordre du jour de la SC au prochain PrepCom. Parce que, comme un certain nombre de gouvernements l?ont demand? lors du PrepCom-2, il est possible que l?UIT soit plus impliqu?e dans la Gouvernance de l?Internet voire pourrait ?tre la future agence internationale/multilat?rale consacr?e ? cette fin. C?est pourquoi une profonde r?forme de l?UIT est ? la fois un besoin urgent et un pr?requis pour ses futures t?ches ainsi que pour l?avenir du SMSI.
CSDPTT soumettra ses propositions au plus tard pour PrepCom-3, et d?s maintenant demande un d?bat r?el et ouvert durant l?une des premi?res Pl?ni?res de la SC. Cela n?exclut pas une discussion sur notre liste qui pourrait pr?parer le d?bat ? physique ?, et soulever quelques arguments pour les propositions de la Sc sur ce probl?me de la plus haute importance. 
Bien cordialement
Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT

Para los amigos hispanofonos : 
Disculpeme por no traducir este mensaje en castellano. Mis capacidades linguiticas estan demasiado limitadas. Puede ser que este Cumbre mejoraralas ?
Un cordial saludo a todas/todos
Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT
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From zielinskic at who.int  Thu Apr  7 10:51:03 2005
From: zielinskic at who.int (Zielinski, Christopher)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITU and open access recommendations of  WSIS
Message-ID: <DAB84110C91CDA498AD6295E72D68FAD137337@HQSWKAKI01.hq.intra.who.int>

Karen,

As someone who has managed publishing activities in a number of UN
organizations, I can attempt a generalized answer to your question about
"content access in UN organizations" (although there are of course a
number of specific exceptions). 

Most UN organizations produce both "priced publications" (which are
often given away) and "documents" (which are never sold). Priced
publications are mainly sold in industrialized countries, while they are
generally given away in developing countries, according to various
criteria. The money earned by UN organizations through selling priced
publications is generally recycled through a Revolving Fund to support
the cost of production of new titles, staff, promotion, etc. - and to
pay for the free distribution. 

With the arrival of the Internet, organizations have found themselves
wavering at the banks of an economic and developmental Rubicon - should
they give away pdfs of their priced publications online or not? 

As most of those who can access the pdfs of these publications on the
Internet will be in industrialized countries, will such open access in
any way help those in developing countries (which is, after all, the
main reason why these organizations publish anything)?

In fact, they wonder, might this instead be a classic case of the magic
bullet being aimed at the foot? You give the books for free to those who
can afford them anyway, and thus kill most of your print sales. The
result of this is that you also kill the income used to finance the
printing of books on paper - mainly needed in developing countries.
(Against this argument, however, there is research to suggest that
offering free pdfs is a great sales leader - people prefer buying the
printed and bound book rather than either reading a pdf on screen or
printing it out on the office machine and binding it with a stapler.)

The sub-category principally addressed by the open access movement,
however, is not books, but academic journals. Interestingly, policy is
quite varied in the UN system regarding open access to its journals. A
quick web survey shows that WIPO and the ILO make everybody pay for
electronic access to their journals, the ITU seems to have none, while
WHO allows open electronic access to its journal (the Bulletin), while
also selling print subscriptions. 

Hope this is "brief and succinct" enough for you, Karen - I can be wordy
and garrulous as well, if you prefer...

Cheers,

Chris

Chris Zielinski (writing in personal capacity)
STP, Alliance for Health Policy and Systems Research
RPC/EIP, World Health Organization 
Avenue Appia, CH1211, Geneva, Switzerland 

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WSIS

dear parminder and all

I agree with you that ITU's case needs to be reviewed. Most of the UN
>organisations have book sale facilities, but at the same time, unlike
ITU, a
>good amount of the titles are made available through websites as well,
>typical example UNESCO and World Bank. If we have to implement the POA
text,
>ITU should open its repository of knowledge.

i'm interested in this particularly at the moment as the WGIG is
finalising 
the 'assessment' papers of existing governance mechanisms in respect the

'basket' of issues identified as important in the governance landscape.

there is one section on content accessibility and i would really
appreciate 
more/additional factual comments as regards the extent to which 
organisations - particularly UN agencies, make their content available,
and 
under what circumstances - but also, interested in government policies
that 
promote open access models..

would need this pretty quickly though.. and, the info needs to be as
brief 
and succinct as possible..

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From: zielinskic at who.int (Zielinski, Christopher)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITU and open access recommendations of  WSIS
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Parminder, 

Hi. To pick up on two points in your message:

>>detailed research is in order to find out

>>*how much money gets generated by sale of these documents,
>>*to what extend this collection really supports the kind of support
activities mentioned by you
>>*to what extend pricing online access just blocks outreach of these
documents, even in developing countries
>>*and how effective are the distribution mechanisms for these documents
in print form in developing countries (this point is especially
important - do those who need them able to get them, or do these docs
just get send to some mailing lists)>>

You are welcome to carry out the research! Most of the information is
readily available in public documents. However, all sorts of independent
and governing body scrutiny committees regularly examine the statistics
and debate the targeting of the information. The money gathered usually
is recycled into publications and salaries through one mechanism or
another - each organization does this differently, and it would be quite
complex (though interesting) to make comparisons. How effective all of
this is (your bullet 4), is certainly open to question and, believe me,
the question is asked quite frequently. Your third bullet is, for me,
the one which hasn't much been studied to date. It would be good to have
an answer. 

>>The WSIS-Geneva POA speaks not only of open access to journals but
also to books and open archives for scientific information. There is a
shortcoming in this point of POA that it does not specifically mention
'useful development information' - which should have been there.>>

I agree. There is a definitional issue here. I think we agree that there
should be "universal access" to what I have been calling "essential
information" in all formats of publication. The Unesco definition of
universal access embodies this concept: "equitable and affordable access
by all citizens to information infrastructure (notably to the Internet)
and to information and knowledge essential to collective and individual
human development"
(http://www.unesco.nl/images/recommendation_promotion_and_use_of_multili
ngualism.pdf). This is what the POA should assert. 

Regarding "open access" and journals - the definition used by the
Budapest OA Initiative covers "scientific and scholarly research texts
that authors give to publishers and readers without asking for any kind
of royalty or payment... [p]rimarily, this category
encompasses...peer-reviewed journal articles, but it also includes any
unreviewed preprints that [scholars] might wish to put online for
comment or to alert colleagues to important research findings... It does
not include books from which their authors would prefer to generate
revenue. It does not include any non-scholarly writings, such as novels
or news." (http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/boaifaq.htm#literature) 

Best,

Chris

Chris Zielinski (in private capacity)
STP, Alliance for Health Policy and Systems Research 
RPC/EIP, World Health Organization 
Avenue Appia, CH1211, Geneva, Switzerland
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From gurstein at ADM.NJIT.EDU  Thu Apr  7 21:53:18 2005
From: gurstein at ADM.NJIT.EDU (Gurstein, Michael)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
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Lisa,

You are certainly correct in pointing out the (current) extraordinary
pressure on junior faculty to publish in print/copyright journals.
However, that is almost certainly transitional as the pressure on the
for profit journals is coming from numerous directions including
research funders, library budgets, open archive/open access activists,
ordinary researchers who want to see their research appear in months
rather than years and be available to the widest possible audience and
the simple inexorable transition of generations.

I suspect the point where the entire edifice of traditional academic
publishing transitions over to some form of open archive/open access
model is much closer than we think and moves like that of Lessig's are
simply meant to hasten this along... (the fact that this particular
volume of a for profit journal has chosen, it appears (and somewhat
awkwardly) to be Creative Commons accessible is a testament to this...

Best,

MG

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....

Which all leads to what I think is an important point: What Lawrence 
Lessig and Michael Gurstein are doing is sincerely admirable. But, 
respectfully, I'd suggest that publishing in Open Archive journals 
works for them because both have already achieved tenure and/or 
promotion and a status in their respective fields that expands their 
options. Michael, you are astute, and I would guess that you are 
aware that, in publishing in Open archive journals, there is less 
threat to you professionally-speaking than that which would be risked 
by junior scholars who have not yet received tenure and/or promotion. 
For the latter, the jewel in the crown is the established, 
mainstream, usually organizationally-associated journals, almost all 
of which are published  by publishers who demand that copyright be 
reassigned to them. Through mergers and acquisitions, these 
publishers are becoming an oligopoly. Open archive journals are still 
viewed with a great deal of skepticism, at least in the US, when it 
comes to having one's writing evaluated.

One reason why I mention this is that I know that not everyone on 
this list is an academic or a writer who is looking for the broadest 
audience possible and forced to conform to the notion of "legitimate" 
publishing venues. As some others have mentioned, we need to help one 
another understand things because we are a diverse lot. The other 
reason is that I believe that we should fight for the idea of 
communication as a public good in the broadest sense, and one way of 
doing so is to fight for alternative methods of publishing, such as 
Open Archive, as legitimate, regardless of the demands of the 
institutions to which we are attached and the economic needs of the 
mainstream publishing industry.

Best,

Lisa (in full disclosure: among other things, I'm editor of Feminist 
Media Studies, which is owned by one of the behemoths of for-profit 
journal publishing: Taylor and Francis Ltd; but, in my defense, I 
signed the contract before my smaller, less oligopolistic publisher 
was bought out by T&F:))



>
>
>I personally, have decided to follow Lawrence Lessig's lead and only 
>publish my academic writing in Open Archive journals which make their 
>materials freely available to all via the net.
>
>Mike Gurstein
>
>Michael Gurstein, Ph.D.
>School of Management
>New Jersey Institute of Technology
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From atanu.garai at oneworld.net  Fri Apr  8 06:03:35 2005
From: atanu.garai at oneworld.net (Atanu Garai)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITU and open access recommendations of  WSIS
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It seems that the issue of open content (I would prefer the term open
content as it is broader in scope than open access which currently refers to
academic/ scientific publishing. Open access is now practiced more or less
in scientific information only - for instance D-Space instances of MIT) can
be mapped within the WGIG issues basket (content?). despite of the great
advocacy efforts of the open access communities, the message has not been
translated into WSIS policy.

/Atanu

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dear parminder and all

I agree with you that ITU's case needs to be reviewed. Most of the UN
>organisations have book sale facilities, but at the same time, unlike ITU,
a
>good amount of the titles are made available through websites as well,
>typical example UNESCO and World Bank. If we have to implement the POA
text,
>ITU should open its repository of knowledge.

i'm interested in this particularly at the moment as the WGIG is finalising
the 'assessment' papers of existing governance mechanisms in respect the
'basket' of issues identified as important in the governance landscape.

there is one section on content accessibility and i would really appreciate
more/additional factual comments as regards the extent to which
organisations - particularly UN agencies, make their content available, and
under what circumstances - but also, interested in government policies that
promote open access models..

would need this pretty quickly though.. and, the info needs to be as brief
and succinct as possible..

karen


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From atanu.garai at oneworld.net  Fri Apr  8 06:18:45 2005
From: atanu.garai at oneworld.net (Atanu Garai)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] RE: [SWISS CS-Plenary] ITU and open access recommendations of  WSIS
In-Reply-To: 
 <DAB84110C91CDA498AD6295E72D68FAD16C8FE@HQSWKAKI01.hq.intra.who.int>
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Few observations:
At a general level, UN organisations should actively promote the access of
its content, especially for the developing and least developed nations by
appropriate financial and access mechanisms. This policy can be translated
in a variety of ways, including making pdfs freely available online,
adhering to preferred pricing mechanism (ICIMOD follows this route) for its
print publication, making low cost reprints in target countries (UNRISD is
bringing out cheaper co-published paperbacks in India), providing free pdfs
to signed-up institutions, to name a few.

by and large the issues related to open content should deal with - policies
of UN agencies on open content and its uniformity across the UN system,
national government policies, methodologies (access mechanism and financing)
and institutional capacity building.

--
atanu

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WSIS


Parminder,

Hi. To pick up on two points in your message:

>>detailed research is in order to find out

>>*how much money gets generated by sale of these documents,
>>*to what extend this collection really supports the kind of support
activities mentioned by you
>>*to what extend pricing online access just blocks outreach of these
documents, even in developing countries
>>*and how effective are the distribution mechanisms for these documents
in print form in developing countries (this point is especially
important - do those who need them able to get them, or do these docs
just get send to some mailing lists)>>

You are welcome to carry out the research! Most of the information is
readily available in public documents. However, all sorts of independent
and governing body scrutiny committees regularly examine the statistics
and debate the targeting of the information. The money gathered usually
is recycled into publications and salaries through one mechanism or
another - each organization does this differently, and it would be quite
complex (though interesting) to make comparisons. How effective all of
this is (your bullet 4), is certainly open to question and, believe me,
the question is asked quite frequently. Your third bullet is, for me,
the one which hasn't much been studied to date. It would be good to have
an answer.

>>The WSIS-Geneva POA speaks not only of open access to journals but
also to books and open archives for scientific information. There is a
shortcoming in this point of POA that it does not specifically mention
'useful development information' - which should have been there.>>

I agree. There is a definitional issue here. I think we agree that there
should be "universal access" to what I have been calling "essential
information" in all formats of publication. The Unesco definition of
universal access embodies this concept: "equitable and affordable access
by all citizens to information infrastructure (notably to the Internet)
and to information and knowledge essential to collective and individual
human development"
(http://www.unesco.nl/images/recommendation_promotion_and_use_of_multili
ngualism.pdf). This is what the POA should assert.

Regarding "open access" and journals - the definition used by the
Budapest OA Initiative covers "scientific and scholarly research texts
that authors give to publishers and readers without asking for any kind
of royalty or payment... [p]rimarily, this category
encompasses...peer-reviewed journal articles, but it also includes any
unreviewed preprints that [scholars] might wish to put online for
comment or to alert colleagues to important research findings... It does
not include books from which their authors would prefer to generate
revenue. It does not include any non-scholarly writings, such as novels
or news." (http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/boaifaq.htm#literature)

Best,

Chris

Chris Zielinski (in private capacity)
STP, Alliance for Health Policy and Systems Research
RPC/EIP, World Health Organization
Avenue Appia, CH1211, Geneva, Switzerland
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From zielinskic at who.int  Fri Apr  8 06:55:09 2005
From: zielinskic at who.int (Zielinski, Christopher)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
Message-ID: <DAB84110C91CDA498AD6295E72D68FAD16C935@HQSWKAKI01.hq.intra.who.int>

Mike, Lisa,

Two points:

1. Many high-impact journals are open access - in the biomedical field
this includes such journals as the British Medical Journal, the 100 or
so BioMed Central journals, and many others. So publishing for academic
prestige and publishing for open access are not mutually incompatible.

2. Although many academic journals charge for access to their online
versions, 92% of them currently allow self-archiving in open access
archives. This includes many of the leading journals in their
disciplines (e.g., PNAS). That is, you can publish in these journals and
simultaneously place your paper in an open access archive, making it
publicly accessible immediately (an excellent source of information
about this is at http://www.eprints.org/self-faq/ - from which the 92%
statistic above is taken, and which contains a list of the journals
allowing various forms of self-archiving). 

Thus, even if academic recognition pressures force you to scale the
highest crags of copyright-girded, ivory-tower journals, you can still
(and definitely should) simultaneously place your work in an open access
archive so that the world at large can find it as well. 

Best,

Chris

Chris Zielinski 
STP, Alliance for Health Policy and Systems Research
RPC/EIP, World Health Organization 
Avenue Appia, CH1211, Geneva, Switzerland 


-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Gurstein, Michael
Sent: 07 April 2005 22:53
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection

Lisa,

You are certainly correct in pointing out the (current) extraordinary
pressure on junior faculty to publish in print/copyright journals.
However, that is almost certainly transitional as the pressure on the
for profit journals is coming from numerous directions including
research funders, library budgets, open archive/open access activists,
ordinary researchers who want to see their research appear in months
rather than years and be available to the widest possible audience and
the simple inexorable transition of generations.

I suspect the point where the entire edifice of traditional academic
publishing transitions over to some form of open archive/open access
model is much closer than we think and moves like that of Lessig's are
simply meant to hasten this along... (the fact that this particular
volume of a for profit journal has chosen, it appears (and somewhat
awkwardly) to be Creative Commons accessible is a testament to this...

Best,

MG

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Behalf Of mclauglm@po.muohio.edu
Sent: April 7, 2005 12:41 AM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
....

Which all leads to what I think is an important point: What Lawrence 
Lessig and Michael Gurstein are doing is sincerely admirable. But, 
respectfully, I'd suggest that publishing in Open Archive journals 
works for them because both have already achieved tenure and/or 
promotion and a status in their respective fields that expands their 
options. Michael, you are astute, and I would guess that you are 
aware that, in publishing in Open archive journals, there is less 
threat to you professionally-speaking than that which would be risked 
by junior scholars who have not yet received tenure and/or promotion. 
For the latter, the jewel in the crown is the established, 
mainstream, usually organizationally-associated journals, almost all 
of which are published  by publishers who demand that copyright be 
reassigned to them. Through mergers and acquisitions, these 
publishers are becoming an oligopoly. Open archive journals are still 
viewed with a great deal of skepticism, at least in the US, when it 
comes to having one's writing evaluated.

One reason why I mention this is that I know that not everyone on 
this list is an academic or a writer who is looking for the broadest 
audience possible and forced to conform to the notion of "legitimate" 
publishing venues. As some others have mentioned, we need to help one 
another understand things because we are a diverse lot. The other 
reason is that I believe that we should fight for the idea of 
communication as a public good in the broadest sense, and one way of 
doing so is to fight for alternative methods of publishing, such as 
Open Archive, as legitimate, regardless of the demands of the 
institutions to which we are attached and the economic needs of the 
mainstream publishing industry.

Best,

Lisa (in full disclosure: among other things, I'm editor of Feminist 
Media Studies, which is owned by one of the behemoths of for-profit 
journal publishing: Taylor and Francis Ltd; but, in my defense, I 
signed the contract before my smaller, less oligopolistic publisher 
was bought out by T&F:))



>
>
>I personally, have decided to follow Lawrence Lessig's lead and only 
>publish my academic writing in Open Archive journals which make their 
>materials freely available to all via the net.
>
>Mike Gurstein
>
>Michael Gurstein, Ph.D.
>School of Management
>New Jersey Institute of Technology
>
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Fri Apr  8 09:26:34 2005
From: parminder at itforchange.net (Parminder)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] open access versus open content 
In-Reply-To: <GFEDKBEIKFFCGKADJIGFGELGFNAA.atanu.garai@oneworld.net>
Message-ID: <20050408082706.20E9D14B62F@mail.gn.apc.org>


Dear Atanu,

Yes, I agree that the open content paradigm is a better construct than open
access, and will include the later.

The Geneva POA fails to address this issue, and most discussions on this
list also seem to skirt it. 

Open access is a knowledge sharing/transfer paradigm for those who already
are engaged substantially with such processes. 

As you rightly point out >>> open access which currently refers to
academic/ scientific publishing >>>

But there is a very vast number of people, whom development discourses are
meant to address most, who do not at present engage in any substantial
manner with civilisational knowledge sharing/transfer processes at levels
beyond narrow geographical and cultural confines. 

We do not at present speak much about the legal/IPR/free-access issues for
knowledge needs of these people because there just aren't any effective
processes and conduits for knowledge sharing/transfer for them at present.
Print-literacy as a technology had a great impact, but the limitations are
as glaring. 

However, new ICTs promise to lay down a technological infrastructure for
unlimited knowledge sharing/transfer even for these people. Immediately
then, the issue of legal free access to the needed content for these people
becomes the central question. 

A field project that we are putting up for digital audio-visual content for
poor rural women in India is already running into the problem of sourcing
digital developmental content. Even agencies working for development -
including government agencies - often do not understand the need of,  or a
IP regime paradigm for, freely copying development content that in any case
is made with the purpose to reach as many people in need as possible. 

An open content paradigm for development content is as much or more of a
pressing need as the open access paradigm, as it is currently understood and
applied. 

Regards

Parminder 











______________________________________
Parminder Jeet Singh
IT for Change, Bangalore
Bridging Development Realities and Technological Possibilities
www.ITforChange.net
Ph: 91 80 2665 4134
Mobile: 91 98 4594 9445
 
-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On Behalf
Of Atanu Garai
Sent: 08 April 2005 10:34
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITU and open access recommendations of WSIS

It seems that the issue of open content (I would prefer the term open
content as it is broader in scope than open access which currently refers to
academic/ scientific publishing. Open access is now practiced more or less
in scientific information only - for instance D-Space instances of MIT) can
be mapped within the WGIG issues basket (content?). despite of the great
advocacy efforts of the open access communities, the message has not been
translated into WSIS policy.

/Atanu

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of karen banks
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 1:15 PM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITU and open access recommendations of
WSIS


dear parminder and all

I agree with you that ITU's case needs to be reviewed. Most of the UN
>organisations have book sale facilities, but at the same time, unlike ITU,
a
>good amount of the titles are made available through websites as well,
>typical example UNESCO and World Bank. If we have to implement the POA
text,
>ITU should open its repository of knowledge.

i'm interested in this particularly at the moment as the WGIG is finalising
the 'assessment' papers of existing governance mechanisms in respect the
'basket' of issues identified as important in the governance landscape.

there is one section on content accessibility and i would really appreciate
more/additional factual comments as regards the extent to which
organisations - particularly UN agencies, make their content available, and
under what circumstances - but also, interested in government policies that
promote open access models..

would need this pretty quickly though.. and, the info needs to be as brief
and succinct as possible..

karen


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From accuosto at chasque.net  Fri Apr  8 17:44:06 2005
From: accuosto at chasque.net (Pablo Accuosto)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Open-access proposal for the A2K treaty
References: <20050406174950.3DAD314B6D3@mail.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <00e601c53c5a$2f75ce20$4704a8c0@paullier.net>

hi,

below i am forwarding this email about the "open archives initiative", sent
by peter suber to a mailing list that is discussing wipo's proposed "access
to knowledge" treaty (http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/a2k/)

regards,

pablo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Suber" <peters@earlham.edu>
To: <a2k@lists.essential.org>; <SPARC-OAForum@arl.org>;
<boai-forum@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 10:02 PM
Subject: [A2k] Open-access proposal for the a2k treaty


> Colleagues,
>
> I propose the following provisions for the Access to Knowledge
> Treaty.  Their purpose is to promote open access to scientific and
> scholarly research literature.
>
> * Signatory nations should put an open-access condition on publicly-funded
> research grants.  By accepting a grant, the grantee agrees to provide open
> access (OA) to any publications that result from the funded research.
>
> The funding agency should give the grantee a choice of methods for
> providing OA to the resulting publications.  Grantees should be able to
> choose between OA journals and OA archives (also called OA
> repositories).  The OA archives should meet certain conditions of
> accessibility, interoperability, and long-term preservation.  The
> interoperability condition could be satisfied by complying with the
> metadata harvesting protocol of the Open Archives Initiative
> <http://www.openarchives.org/>.  Qualifying archives need not be hosted by
> the government; they could, for example, be hosted and maintained by
> universities.
>
> If the grantee chooses to publish in an OA journal that charges an upfront
> processing fee on accepted articles, then the funding agency will agree to
> pay the fee.
>
> The OA condition on research grants could make reasonable exceptions, for
> example, for classified military research, for patentable discoveries, and
> for works that generate revenue for the author such as books.
>
> * Signatory nations should provide funds and technical assistance for all
> universities and research centers in the country to set up and maintain
> their own OA repositories.  One condition of government assistance should
> be that the institution adopt a policy to encourage or require its
> researchers to deposit their research output in the repository.  Again,
> the
> policy could recognize reasonable exceptions.
>
> * Signatory nations should provide funds and technical assistance for
> digitizing and providing open access to the nation's cultural heritage.
>
> * Signatory nations should sign the Berlin Declaration on Open Access to
> Knowledge in the Sciences and Humanities.
> http://www.zim.mpg.de/openaccess-berlin/berlindeclaration.html
>
> I may suggest other recommendations in the coming weeks.
>
> -----
>
> For further reading, see the following:
>
> Open Access Overview
> http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/overview.htm
> (An introduction to OA for those who are new to the concept.)
>
> Timeline of Open Access
> http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/timeline.htm
> (A brief history to show what has been done in this area and to answer
> objections that OA is new, untried, or radical.)
>
> Scientific Publications:  Free for All?
>
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200304/cmselect/cmsctech/399/3990
2.htm
> (The exemplary July 2004 report of the UK House of Commons Science and
> Technology Committee; all nations signing the a2k treaty should consider
> the 82 recommendations in this report; by contrast, these nations should
> *not* follow the much-weakened policy of the US National Institutes of
> Health.)
>
>      Thank you taking up this important topic,
>      Peter Suber
>
>
>
>
> ----------
> Peter Suber
> Open Access Project Director, Public Knowledge
> Research Professor of Philosophy, Earlham College
> Author, SPARC Open Access Newsletter
> Editor, Open Access News blog
> http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/
> peter.suber@earlham.edu
>



From tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn  Fri Apr  8 18:48:48 2005
From: tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn (Mohamed Tijani BEN JEMAA)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Seminar
Message-ID: <200504081954.j38JsJQ5002999@smtp1.planet.net.tn>

English bellow
------------------

Knowledge Economy, Knowledge Sharing, Knowledge Management

Annonce

La Commission de l’Information et de la Communication (CIC), commission
technique permanente de la Fédération Mondiale des Organisations
d’Ingénieurs (FMOI) organise à Tunis, le Vendredi 17 Juin 2005 un
séminaire intitulé « Knowledge Economy, Knowledge Sharing, Knowledge
Management », qui est officiellement inscrit comme événement préparatoire 
à la seconde phase du Sommet Mondial sur la Société de l’Information
(programme prévisionnel en fichier attaché).

Ce séminaire comporte également  une session de présentation du rapport
de la Task Force n°10 de l’ONU sur le rôle de la science et la
technologie et en particulier  les technologies de l’Information et des
Communication dans la concrétisation des objectifs du Millénaire pour le
Développement.

Il est à rappeler que la CIC, sous l’égide de la FMOI  a déjà organisé
d’autres activités au Brésil et en Espagne dans le cadre de la
contribution à la 2ème phase de la SMSI ,et ce en plus des activités
organisées dans le cadre du processus de la première phase du SMSI dont
on cite en particulier un congrès Mondial sur « Engineering and Digital
Divide » et un événement parallèle au Sommet de Genève sous forme de
conférence intitulée « Engineering, the Knowledge Society ».

Si vous êtes intéressé de participer à cet événement, soit en présentant
une communication, soit en prenant part aux débats, prière écrire à :
wfeo@planet.tn

-----------------

Knowledge Economy, Knowledge Sharing, Knowledge Management

Announcement

The committee on Information and Communication (CIC), a standing
committee of the World Federation of Engineering Organizations (WFEO),
will organize on June 17th 2005 a seminar about “Knowledge Economy,
Knowledge Sharing, Knowledge Management”. This seminar will take place in 
Tunis, and is officially considered as a preparatory event for the World
Summit on Information Society (tentative program attached).

It includes a presentation session of the UN Task Force Nbr 10 report on
the role of science and technology, and more precisely the ICTs in the
achievement of MDGs.

WFEO-CIC has already organized other activities in Brazil and Spain as
Engineers contribution to the second phase of WSIS. It also organized
preparatory events to the first phase such as the world congress on
“Engineering and Digital Divide”, and a parallel event to the Geneva
Summit (conference) on “Engineering, the Knowledge Society”.

If you are interested in participating in this event as speaker or as
attendee, please write to :   wfeo@planet.tn


----------------------------------
Mohamed Tijani BEN JEMAA
Member of the Tunisian Engineers' Order
Vice Chairman of CIC, World Federation of Engineering Organisations
Phone : + 216 98 330 114            Fax : + 216 71 781 927
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From e.ariwa at londonmet.ac.uk  Sat Apr  9 15:55:39 2005
From: e.ariwa at londonmet.ac.uk (Ezendu Ariwa)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Seminar
In-Reply-To: <200504081954.j38JsJQ5002999@smtp1.planet.net.tn>
References: <200504081954.j38JsJQ5002999@smtp1.planet.net.tn>
Message-ID: <3175.163.167.156.174.1113058539.squirrel@163.167.156.174>

Dear Mohamed

I am interested in participating in this event as speaker (if possible) or
as attendee

I have the relevant skills and experience in Knowledge Economy, Knowledge
Sharing, Knowledge Management


I look forward to your reply and cxonsideration


Ezendu

> English bellow
> ------------------
>
> Knowledge Economy, Knowledge Sharing, Knowledge Management
>
> Annonce
>
> La Commission de l?Information et de la Communication (CIC), commission
> technique permanente de la F?d?ration Mondiale des Organisations
> d?Ing?nieurs (FMOI) organise ? Tunis, le Vendredi 17 Juin 2005 un
> s?minaire intitul? ? Knowledge Economy, Knowledge Sharing, Knowledge
> Management ?, qui est officiellement inscrit comme ?v?nement pr?paratoire
> ? la seconde phase du Sommet Mondial sur la Soci?t? de l?Information
> (programme pr?visionnel en fichier attach?).
>
> Ce s?minaire comporte ?galement  une session de pr?sentation du rapport
> de la Task Force n?10 de l?ONU sur le r?le de la science et la
> technologie et en particulier  les technologies de l?Information et des
> Communication dans la concr?tisation des objectifs du Mill?naire pour le
> D?veloppement.
>
> Il est ? rappeler que la CIC, sous l??gide de la FMOI  a d?j? organis?
> d?autres activit?s au Br?sil et en Espagne dans le cadre de la
> contribution ? la 2?me phase de la SMSI ,et ce en plus des activit?s
> organis?es dans le cadre du processus de la premi?re phase du SMSI dont
> on cite en particulier un congr?s Mondial sur ? Engineering and Digital
> Divide ? et un ?v?nement parall?le au Sommet de Gen?ve sous forme de
> conf?rence intitul?e ? Engineering, the Knowledge Society ?.
>
> Si vous ?tes int?ress? de participer ? cet ?v?nement, soit en pr?sentant
> une communication, soit en prenant part aux d?bats, pri?re ?crire ? :
> wfeo@planet.tn
>
> -----------------
>
> Knowledge Economy, Knowledge Sharing, Knowledge Management
>
> Announcement
>
> The committee on Information and Communication (CIC), a standing
> committee of the World Federation of Engineering Organizations (WFEO),
> will organize on June 17th 2005 a seminar about ?Knowledge Economy,
> Knowledge Sharing, Knowledge Management?. This seminar will take place in
> Tunis, and is officially considered as a preparatory event for the World
> Summit on Information Society (tentative program attached).
>
> It includes a presentation session of the UN Task Force Nbr 10 report on
> the role of science and technology, and more precisely the ICTs in the
> achievement of MDGs.
>
> WFEO-CIC has already organized other activities in Brazil and Spain as
> Engineers contribution to the second phase of WSIS. It also organized
> preparatory events to the first phase such as the world congress on
> ?Engineering and Digital Divide?, and a parallel event to the Geneva
> Summit (conference) on ?Engineering, the Knowledge Society?.
>
> If you are interested in participating in this event as speaker or as
> attendee, please write to :   wfeo@planet.tn
>
>
> ----------------------------------
> Mohamed Tijani BEN JEMAA
> Member of the Tunisian Engineers' Order
> Vice Chairman of CIC, World Federation of Engineering Organisations
> Phone : + 216 98 330 114            Fax : + 216 71 781 927
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>



From schock at riseup.net  Wed Apr  6 21:56:37 2005
From: schock at riseup.net (Sasha Costanza-Chock)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [Fwd: REQUIRED READING  -- ITID's The World Summit in Reflection]
Message-ID: <42544D05.1070706@riseup.net>

FYI

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: REQUIRED READING  -- ITID's The World Summit in Reflection
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 06:24:22 -0400
From: wsis@cyber.law.harvard.edu
To: schock@riseup.net

Dear Colleague,

We are pleased to call your attention to a special double issue of
Information Technologies and International Development - required
reading for anyone interested in the World Summit on the Information
Society. In the printed issue we have collected 37 essays creating a
unique resource for scholars, activists, and practitioners trying to
understand the substance and the politics of the Summit. In addition, we
are offering an online resource containing an additional 82 papers along
with interactive spaces for you to add your own reactions and critiques.

Contributors to the volume and webspace represent the widest possible
range of perspectives, regions and professions, from the global South
and the North, from sharp critics to ardent supporters, from observers
based in government, the private sector, civil society, universities and
international organizations. The essays are grouped by broad category ???
including Context and Setting; Critical Themes; Normative Frameworks;
Voices and Participation; Globalization and Development; and Outcomes
and Paths to Tunis. Contributors include Nancy J. Hafkin, Nicholas
Negroponte, Hamadoun Tour??, Hans Klein, Claudia Padovani, Derrick L.
Cogburn, Anriette Esterhuysen, and many others....

*  Order the printed volume (at a 20% discount) at
    http://mitpress.mit.edu/itid/specialoffer/wsis

*  Participate in the online fora and read the online papers at:
    http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/wsis

*  Contact the editorial team at: itid-ed@mit.edu

*  Join us in Tunis: We will be hosting a one-day seminar designed to
    further reflect on the WSIS process and chart the steps beyond
    Tunis. We will be following-up with details as the date approaches.

Kind regards,
Michael L. Best
Ernest J. Wilson, III
Colin Maclay
and the rest of the Worlds Summit in Reflection team

The World Summit in Reflection is a project of Information Technologies
and International Development, published by the MIT Press and edited at
the University of Maryland and Georgia Tech and the Berkman Center for
Internet and Society, Harvard Law School.

We send out only a very limited number of emails to colleagues we
believe are interested in WSIS. If you would like to not receive any
further emails please contact us at wsis@cyber.law.harvard.edu.






From rkoven at compuserve.com  Sun Apr 10 15:41:15 2005
From: rkoven at compuserve.com (Ronald Koven)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ICANN/ITU "legitimacy"
Message-ID: <200504101041_MC3-1-9AE8-A8DA@compuserve.com>

Dear All --

I am fascinated by the constantly discussions of the relative "legitimacy"
of ICANN and the ITU -- both here on the Civil Society Plenary list and on
the Internet Governance site.

The civil society lists are full of examples of persons trying to depict
some body or other as "illegitimate." What this usually means is that the
critic is angry because he/'she lacks the means to dominate the given body
and so has decided that it should be undermined and replaced by something
else more open to a bid for power. 

In the specific case of ICANN and ITU, I wonder whether the proponents of
the ITU would really be happy if they were to succeed in transferring
ICANN's functions to the ITU.

We saw during the recent Prepcom 2 how the ITU behaves when confronted with
demands from its governmental membership. The ITU Secretariat forbade
general distribution of reports by the NGO Human Rights in China. It also
banned distribution of the report of the Tunisia Monitoring Group, while
allowing the Tunisian government to distribute a rebuttal of it.

From the very start of the WSIS preparation process, the Secretariat
leadership of the ITU have professed not to understand that there could be
a problem with the choice of Tunisia as the venue for  a UN summit meeting
on the future of global communications. 

Regardless of relative "legitimacy," I am not aware of instances in which
ICANN has lent itself to censorship, while ITU does so almost routinely,
whenever one of its member states invokes its interest.

It seems to me that civil society's professed attachment to freedom of
expression would be better protected in an environment that is essentially
private in its practices, like that of ICANN, than in one like the ITU,
with its basically intergovernmental  nature, structure, funding, and ethos
- regardless of its efforts to accommodate private and civil society
interests. 

Whenever the question arises, the ITU obviously feels it must adhere to the
defense of the national sovereign interests of its member states rather
than the interests of universal values like freedom of expression.

It seems to me that this raises the question of relative moral legitimacy,
as opposed to institutional or representative legitimacy. ICANN has
refrained from actions that might favor censorship. The ITU has
demonstrated on numerous occasions that it is  willing to allow such
censorship. 

Does that make it reassuring to design an international -- meaning in
practice an intergovernmental -- Internet governance system ?

I think it is time to drop discussions of "legitimacy" and to take instead 
a pragmatic approach based on considerations of which arrangements would
likely be the least threatening to the free flow of information and ideas.
Past performance might serve as a guide.

Rony Koven

From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Sun Apr 10 16:36:31 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Canadian Coordination list for WSIS
In-Reply-To: <8579120.1112865729360.JavaMail.www@wwinf0601>
References: <8579120.1112865729360.JavaMail.www@wwinf0601>
Message-ID: <p06210202be7ef82da7b1@[10.0.1.2]>

Canadian Coordination list for the UN World Summit on the Information 
Society (WSIS)
http://vancouvercommunity.net/lists/info/wsis-cmsi

This mailing has been created to provide a space where Canadian civil 
society can discuss issues related to the WSIS.


-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From parminder at itforchange.net  Sun Apr 10 17:16:30 2005
From: parminder at itforchange.net (Parminder)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ICANN/ITU "legitimacy"
In-Reply-To: <200504101041_MC3-1-9AE8-A8DA@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <20050410161658.AC3AB14B74A@mail.gn.apc.org>

Ronald Koven:

With due respect I will like to request you to make your point without
attributing motives to others,

>>The civil society lists are full of examples of persons trying to depict
some body or other as "illegitimate." What this usually means is that the
critic is angry because he/'she lacks the means to dominate the given body
and so has decided that it should be undermined and replaced by something
else more open to a bid for power.>>>

Should we, by the same logic, take it that you have some special personal
interests in promoting ICANN, and running ITU down. 

Some civility on the civil society list is in order. 

Regards

parminder
 

______________________________________
Parminder Jeet Singh
IT for Change, Bangalore
Bridging Development Realities and Technological Possibilities
www.ITforChange.net
Ph: 91 80 2665 4134
Mobile: 91 98 4594 9445
 

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On Behalf
Of Ronald Koven
Sent: 10 April 2005 20:11
To: INTERNET:plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ICANN/ITU "legitimacy"

Dear All --

I am fascinated by the constantly discussions of the relative "legitimacy"
of ICANN and the ITU -- both here on the Civil Society Plenary list and on
the Internet Governance site.

The civil society lists are full of examples of persons trying to depict
some body or other as "illegitimate." What this usually means is that the
critic is angry because he/'she lacks the means to dominate the given body
and so has decided that it should be undermined and replaced by something
else more open to a bid for power. 

In the specific case of ICANN and ITU, I wonder whether the proponents of
the ITU would really be happy if they were to succeed in transferring
ICANN's functions to the ITU.

We saw during the recent Prepcom 2 how the ITU behaves when confronted with
demands from its governmental membership. The ITU Secretariat forbade
general distribution of reports by the NGO Human Rights in China. It also
banned distribution of the report of the Tunisia Monitoring Group, while
allowing the Tunisian government to distribute a rebuttal of it.

>From the very start of the WSIS preparation process, the Secretariat
leadership of the ITU have professed not to understand that there could be
a problem with the choice of Tunisia as the venue for  a UN summit meeting
on the future of global communications. 

Regardless of relative "legitimacy," I am not aware of instances in which
ICANN has lent itself to censorship, while ITU does so almost routinely,
whenever one of its member states invokes its interest.

It seems to me that civil society's professed attachment to freedom of
expression would be better protected in an environment that is essentially
private in its practices, like that of ICANN, than in one like the ITU,
with its basically intergovernmental  nature, structure, funding, and ethos
- regardless of its efforts to accommodate private and civil society
interests. 

Whenever the question arises, the ITU obviously feels it must adhere to the
defense of the national sovereign interests of its member states rather
than the interests of universal values like freedom of expression.

It seems to me that this raises the question of relative moral legitimacy,
as opposed to institutional or representative legitimacy. ICANN has
refrained from actions that might favor censorship. The ITU has
demonstrated on numerous occasions that it is  willing to allow such
censorship. 

Does that make it reassuring to design an international -- meaning in
practice an intergovernmental -- Internet governance system ?

I think it is time to drop discussions of "legitimacy" and to take instead 
a pragmatic approach based on considerations of which arrangements would
likely be the least threatening to the free flow of information and ideas.
Past performance might serve as a guide.

Rony Koven
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From rkoven at compuserve.com  Sun Apr 10 17:31:24 2005
From: rkoven at compuserve.com (Ronald Koven)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ICANN/ITU "legitimacy"
Message-ID: <200504101231_MC3-1-9AAF-DADA@compuserve.com>

Dear Parminder Jeet Singh --

What could possibly be more uncivil than to describe someone else as
"illegitimate" ?

That is a synonym for a word that is not normally published in
family-friendly media.

Rony Koven

From mueller at syr.edu  Sun Apr 10 19:02:36 2005
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ICANN/ITU "legitimacy"
Message-ID: <s2593209.034@gwia201.syr.edu>

Rony:
Your equanimity about ICANN probably stems from a lack of familiarity
with its actual operations and decisions. More about that later.

First, to get this out of the way, I would agree wholeheartedly with
you that, in domestic politics, authoritarian governments represent much
larger threats to freedom of expression than any private organization,
including ICANN. If your point is that ICANN is a less repressive
environment to the citizens of China and Tunisia than the govts of China
and Tunisia, then of course you are correct. But that is not saying
much. But such a comparison does not exempt ICANN or any other private
governance agency from achieving legitimacy and accountability on a
global basis. 

Shifting to a global perspective, while ITU can repress criticism of
member states in its own meetings, it has absolutely no power over the
domestic free speech or telecommunication policies of its members other
than what the members agree to give it. ICANN, on the other hand, has
global authority of a much stronger kind, although admittedly over a
much narrower area of policy (DNS). 

Now, you said that:
>>> rkoven@compuserve.com 4/10/2005 10:41:15 AM >>>
>Regardless of relative "legitimacy," I am not aware of instances 
>in which ICANN has lent itself to censorship, while ITU does so 
>almost routinely, whenever one of its member states invokes its 
>interest.

There are two or three such instances, depending on how you count them.
First, ICANN's domain name dispute resolution policy routinely takes
domains away from people in order to silence dissent. This is done in
spite of national law. See my research documenting this at
http://dcc.syr.edu/marklepage.htm Efforts to amend the UDRP to fix
this problem have been blocked both by vested interests and by ICANN's
own lack of capcity to revise its policies. 

Second, ICANN's WHOIS data requirements are designed to sacrifice
legitimate privacy rights regarding personal contact data in order to
make it possible for law enforcement, trademark and copyright lawyers to
engage in surveillance. This is mostly a violation of privacy, but as we
know privacy violations can have a chilling effect on speech. 

Third, ICANN's policy toward new TLD creation can limit or constrain
speech, e.g., by refusing to create TLDs that offend some people (which
it has done), by simply refusing the create new TLDs at all, or by
regulating the kind of activity that can take place under a TLD. These
are not of course bald, repressive actions comparable to Tien An Men
Square, but they matter.

More broadly, ICANN's mission statement contains no commitment to
preservation of freedom of expression. Wouldn't it be nice if it did?

>It seems to me that civil society's professed attachment to 
>freedom of expression would be better protected in an 
>environment that is essentially private in its practices, like 
>that of ICANN, than in one like the ITU,
>with its basically intergovernmental  nature, structure, funding, 
>and ethos

The issue is not "private" or "public" per se, but how much power the
institutions have. ICANN is a private entity that has been given
governmental powers. Its powers over the domain name industry are global
and contractual in nature, and thus far exceed those of the ITU, which
cannot do anything without consensus among governments. That need for
consensus accounts for both the bad things about ITU (demands to censor
criticisms of member states) and the "good" things (each state can go
its own way, and need not be bound by what the other state does.) 

In our (IGP) discussions of "legitimacy" we are trying to find a way to
maintain ICANN's open, civil society based governance model while
improving its accountability and legitimacy. Knee-jerk defenses of ICANN
based on false dichotomies are unsustainable in the long term and may
result in destruction of the CS-based goverance model. ICANN's first
line of defense was the false and hypocritical argument that it did not
do governance. That line has collapsed. We are now trying to get it to
do governance legitimately and democratically.

>Whenever the question arises, the ITU obviously feels it 
>must adhere to the defense of the national sovereign interests 
>of its member states rather than the interests of universal 
>values like freedom of expression.

True. But if our own government would bother to stand up for freedom of
expression (which it rarely does any more) in the international
environment, then the intergovernmental system would have to adapt to
its demands. 

>I think it is time to drop discussions of "legitimacy" and to take 
>instead a pragmatic approach based on considerations of which
> arrangements would likely be the least threatening to the free flow 
>of information and ideas. Past performance might serve as a guide.

Agree, we should be guided by principles regarding human rights.
But governance arrangements that are not perceived as legitimate by
large parts of the world's population will not survive, and thus cannot
do any good for the principles of freedom of expression and other human
rights. 

--Milton Mueller

From mueller at syr.edu  Mon Apr 11 05:54:30 2005
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [governance] Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ICANN/ITU "legitimacy"
Message-ID: <s259cae4.000@gwia201.syr.edu>

>>> Tom Vest <tomvest@comcast.net> 4/10/2005 3:22:30 PM >>>
>WHOIS requirements don't apply to Internet users; they 
>apply to Internet *producers*, i.e., entities that wish to 
>participate in and add to the Internet's physical and logical 
>architecture. 

I'm sorry, but you are incorrect about WHOIS, and your attempt to
invent a legal/regulatory distinction between producers and users has no
basis in any law or regulations, or ICANN contracts. 

Whois access to personal contact data did not get created because of
any alleged obligations of "producers" - it came into being by accident,
when the directory system set up by a tiny, closed world of techies was
suddenly transformed into a mass global open medium. Once IPR holders,
the people who sell them surveillance services,and law enforcement
agencies found it convenient to get information for free that they used
to have to follow due process to get, we got stuck where we are now.

Some European states have laws that require businesses to post their
contact information on their web sites, but they exempt homes and
individual web sites. Most jurisdictions don't find this distinction
very hard to make, although of course there are gray areas. Are you
trying to say that the Internet is only a tool of commerce, not also a
tool of human communication? 

Your distinction between "producers" and "users" doesn't work. There is
no intellgible distinction between "users" and "entities that wish to
participate in and add to the Internet's physical and logical
architecture." Everyone connected to the Internet participates in its
logical architecture. Tell me: is someone who has no domain name but
does have a home wireless network with a fixed IP address a "producer,"
or a "user"? How is that person different in status from someone who
registers a domain? Registering a domain name is something many people
do just to get a portable email address. They have less infrastructure
than someone with a wireless home network
 
>The fact that some producers are 
>sole proprietors (many of whom outsource all of the actual 
>infrastructure requirements to a third party) shouldn't earn them a 
>complete pass, and shouldn't obscure this basic functional
distinction.

In effect, you are saying that someone who subscribes to the telephone
system and acquires a phone number should be regulated the same way a
telephone company is. It's crazy. You can get an unlisted phone number
for your home. Why can't you get a domain name for home use without
publishing your private contact data? 

>It seems to that linking speech to identity is only problematic in 
>jurisdictions where speech is not valued AND means of expression 
>are strictly controlled. Where freedom of speech is valued, speaking 
>"for attribution" should be taken as the main case, and anonymous 
>speech the exception. 

Is this an argument of what you think the law is, or what you think it
ought to be? I'd suggest that you read the U.S. Constitutional case law
on the relationship between free speech and anonymity, then express an
opinion. Also read the opniions of European privacy authorities on whois
http://www.icann.org/presentations/papapavlou-whois-rome-03mar04.pdf  

>Absent tight controls on means, there are ample mechanisms 
>for speaking "without attribution"  that don't require the wholesale 
>anonymization of the Internet.

Turn this around, and you will understand better what the real whois
debate is about. WHOIS as currently structured requires a domain name
registrant to provide their home telephone number and address to ANY
anonymous user of the Internet. When your whois record is viewed, there
is no record, you don't know who did it, what the reason for viewing it
was, or what they are going to do with it. Isn't it illogical for you to
attack anonymous expression, while supporting anonymous and wholesale
access to private contact data? If anonymous speech can be abused, can't
anonymous access to personal contact data? 

And have you forgotten that there are ample mechanisms for acquiring
information about Internet users for legitimate law enforcement purposes
without making that information available to every spammer, identity
thief, stalker, information harvester or curious person in the world? 

--MM



From mh at wacc.org.uk  Mon Apr 11 12:54:39 2005
From: mh at wacc.org.uk (Myriam Horngren)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Crisinfo.org - news ENG ESP [April 11, 2005]
Message-ID: <7414FB05C3419C42931F0911BE79061D4FF409@wacc-commserver.wacc.org.uk>

NEWSROOM

What to do about ICANN: A proposal for structural reform
By Hans Klein and Milton Mueller
With the 2005 World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) in Tunisia quickly approaching, and with the work of the UN Working Group on Internet Governance (WGIG) well underway, it is time to identify concrete policy options for Internet governance. Any initiatives in this area must address the criticisms that have been made of ICANN. Although the international community has defined "Internet governance" in a way that goes beyond ICANN's control of domain names and addresses, ICANN nonetheless remains central to many issues. Here we propose a series of structural reforms for it.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/812 

WIPO Development Agenda: Developing Countries Submit New Proposals
6th April 2005
Carolyn Deere
On the eve of high-level meetings next week on development and intellectual property, the fourteen co-sponsors of the proposal for the World Intellectual Property Organisation's new Development Agenda today submitted detailed elaborations of their proposals for incorporating development into WIPO's work.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/809


Civil Society damns The Economist on Digital Divide.
The Economist on March 10th published an article claiming that the mobile phone alone could bridge the digital divide. Under the title "The Real Digital Divide", it asserts that investing in internet access is unnecessary since telephony is sufficient to satisfy the development needs of poor communities, and that universal access can and will be secured through further liberalisation and private investment. Many in Civil Society were quick to respond, from Sean O'Siochru at Nexus, to the APC to Panos in London. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/808 

The Commission for Africa Report
[By Warren Feek]The "Commission for Africa", chaired by Prime Minister Tony Blair, launched its report March 11 2005 in London, UK. There were 16 other Commisioners including Benjamin W. Mkapa [President of Tanzania], Fola Adeola [Chairman of FATE Foundation in Nigeria], Rt. Hon. Gordon Brown MP [Chancellor of the Exchequer, UK], K.Y. Amoako [Executive Secretary, Economic Commission for Africa & UN Under-Secretary-General, Ghana], Anna Tibaijuka [UN Habitat, Tanzania], and Michel Camdessus [Africa Personal Representative, France, previous Managing Director of the IMF].
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/801 


NEWSROOM - WSIS

Internet Governance Priorities for the Asia-Pacific: Summary Analysis
UNDP's Asia-Pacific Development Information Programme (APDIP) conducted a survey on Internet governance priorities that targeted all stakeholder groups in the Asia-Pacific region. The survey was open and online to the public from 8 February to 7 March 2005.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/811 

Reuniones en Quito y en Rio
En el marco del proceso de la Cumbre Mundial sobre la Sociedad de la Informaci?n nuestra regi?n latinoamericana y del Caribe se encuentra en un momento importante. En la reciente Prepcom-2 realizada en Ginebra, Suiza, se ha anunciado un proceso regional que contempla de manera primordial la realizaci?n de una reuni?n en R?o de Janeiro del 8 al 10 de junio
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/810


The WSIS prepares to grapple with Internet governance
[By Mark Raboy]
GENEVA - The second preparatory meeting of the second phase of the World Summit on the Information Society closed on Friday (25th February 2005) night with a few cautious steps forward on intergovernmental projects, a great deal of on-site work by civil society, and above all a foretaste of what should be an important and heated debate on Internet governance.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/799   


CRIS/EED SOUTH PARTICIPATION FUND

The Church Development Service (EED), Germany, has generously granted funds for the facilitation of participants to CRIS related activities. The CRIS campaign is glad to inform you that it will be able to co-sponsor some delegates to events that we feel are key to the Communication Rights.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/611/ 

FONDOS PARA FOMENTAR LA PARTICIPACI?N CRIS/EED

La Iglesia Servicio al Desarrollo (en ingl?s "Church Development Service", cuyas siglas son EED), de Alemania, ha donado generosamente fondos para facilitar la participaci?n a actividades relacionadas con CRIS. La Campa?a de CRIS tiene el agrado de informarles que estar? en condiciones de patrocinar a algunos delegados para participar en eventos que supongan ser claves para los Derechos a la Comunicaci?n.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/612/

FIRME LA CARTA DE CRIS

Nuestra visi?n de la Sociedad de la Informaci?n se fundamenta en el Derecho a Comunicar como un medio de acrecentar los derechos humanos y fortalecer la vida social, econ?mica y cultural de las personas y las comunidades. Para lograrlo, resulta fundamental que las organizaciones de la sociedad civil se unan para cooperar en la construcci?n de una sociedad de la informaci?n basada en principios de transparencia, diversidad, participaci?n, justicia social y econ?mica, e inspiradas por la equidad de g?nero y las perspectivas culturales y regionales. Lo invitamos a conocer m?s sobre la Campa?a de CRIS y a participar firmando la Carta de CRIS:
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/97/

LA CHARTE DE CRIS

Notre vision de la ?soci?t? de l'information? est bas?e sur le droit de communiquer qui est consid?r? comme un moyen pour ?tendre les droits de l'homme et am?liorer la vie sociale, ?conomique et culturelle des personnes et des communaut?s. Pour cela, il est essentiel que les organisations de la soci?t? civile se r?unissent afin d'aider ? la construction d'une soci?t? de l'information bas?e sur les principes de transparence, de diversit?, de participation et de justice ?conomique et sociale et inspir?e par une approche ?quitable du rapport des sexes, de la culture et des aspects r?gionaux.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/95/

THE CRIS CHARTER

Our vision of the 'Information Society' is grounded in the Right to Communicate, as a means to enhance human rights and to strengthen the social, economic and cultural lives of people and communities. Crucial to this is that civil society organisations come together to help build an information society based on principles of transparency, diversity, participation and social and economic justice, and inspired by equitable gender, cultural and regional perspectives.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/98/ 

For more information: act@crisinfo.org



Myriam Horngren
WACC/CRIS Network and Advocacy Coordinator
357 Kennington Lane
London SE11 5QY
United Kingdom
Tel: 44 (0) 207 582 9139
Fax: 44 (0) 207 735 0340
web: www.crisinfo.org/www.wacc.org.uk
email: mh@wacc.org.uk


From vb at bertola.eu.org  Mon Apr 11 13:37:24 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [governance] Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ICANN/ITU "legitimacy"
In-Reply-To: <s259cae4.000@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s259cae4.000@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <1113223044.4241.75.camel@croce.dyf.it>

Il giorno lun, 11-04-2005 alle 00:54 -0400, Milton Mueller ha scritto:
> >>> Tom Vest <tomvest@comcast.net> 4/10/2005 3:22:30 PM >>>
> >WHOIS requirements don't apply to Internet users; they 
> >apply to Internet *producers*, i.e., entities that wish to 
> >participate in and add to the Internet's physical and logical 
> >architecture. 
> 
> Your distinction between "producers" and "users" doesn't work. There is
> no intellgible distinction between "users" and "entities that wish to
> participate in and add to the Internet's physical and logical
> architecture." 

Actually, I'd like to stress that this is really the key point that
makes the Internet what it is, and makes it so different from previous
telecommunications systems, and makes it so fit to spread knowledge and
freedom.

On the telegraph, radio, fixed telephone, television and mobile
telephone networks, users did not have in practice any possibility to
produce content, and let alone innovate the technology. There was a huge
centralized operator (or a handful of them, usually gathered in a
cartel) that set up the network, managed it, and decided which content
and which services users would be allowed to access. Still today, if you
want to offer applications or services to the customers of a mobile
network, you usually have to sign a deal with the operator, and are
forced to accept its controls and conditions.

On the Internet, on the other hand, users are free to reprogram the edge
nodes of the network; they have easy ways to introduce new content and
to create new services and applications. In fact, most applications were
born this way: the World Wide Web was not invented by an ISP to make a
business out of it and increase the revenues, but was invented by a
individual user who was doing a completely unrelated job and needed this
new tool to support it. The same can be said of a lot of stuff - and
even when services were invented for money, they were rarely invented by
network operators.

Creating a distinction between "producers" and "users" is exactly the
way to destroy the Internet, push individuals out of control over what
happens on the net, and restore centralized control by a few big
entities (be them governments, State-owned industries, private
corporations or whatever, it doesn't make much of a difference).

(On Whois specifically, people like Milton and I have been spending
years in fighting this battle... and now, it's not just a battle to get
one fundamental human right, privacy, incorporated in the domain name
system; it's also a political struggle in terms of sovereignty, since
some business groups that are very powerful at ICANN are effectively
exploiting it to prevent national privacy laws of other countries from
being applied, even if the entire transactions happens in those
countries' territories.)
-- 
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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Mon Apr 11 13:38:53 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ICANN/ITU "legitimacy"
In-Reply-To: <s2593209.034@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s2593209.034@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <1113223134.4241.77.camel@croce.dyf.it>

Il giorno dom, 10-04-2005 alle 14:02 -0400, Milton Mueller ha scritto:
> In our (IGP) discussions of "legitimacy" we are trying to find a way to
> maintain ICANN's open, civil society based governance model 

Ehm... Yes, ICANN is definitely more open than any UN agency, and yes,
ICANN gives civil society much more space than any UN agency. At the
same time, if I had to pick only one stakeholder on which ICANN is
currently based, I think that the only possible definition would be
"American businesses based governance model".

(Where, just to be clear, it's not "American" what disturbs me most,
it's "businesses"; and of course you were criticizing ICANN, so I'm
certainly not saying that you're trying to make ICANN look better than
it is... perhaps it's just that we all have been listening to some ICANN
buzzwords too much?)
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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Mon Apr 11 14:02:29 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [governance] Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ICANN/ITU "legitimacy"
In-Reply-To: <f65fb55e0504102300266c673b@mail.gmail.com>
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	 <f65fb55e0504102300266c673b@mail.gmail.com>
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Il giorno lun, 11-04-2005 alle 09:00 +0300, McTim ha scritto:
> > telephone company is. It's crazy. You can get an unlisted phone number
> > for your home. Why can't you get a domain name for home use without
> > publishing your private contact data?
> 
> Well, you can, you just have to lie ;-)

No, you can't. If you provide false data and someone complains, your
domain gets quickly cancelled.

On the other hand, if you had a way to prevent your data from being
spread out to everyone without care, you would be much more likely to
provide true data, and thus to be contactable when necessary. Actually,
the present situation makes Whois hard to use - if you send a message to
the email address listed in Whois, it often happens that it doesn't get
read because 99% of what's sent to that address is spam.

> Does the public benefit outweigh the possible downside to publication.
> IMHO, it probably does.

Unfortunately, that's not what the law says in my country.
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From duhamic at rwanda1.com  Mon Apr 11 14:20:24 2005
From: duhamic at rwanda1.com (duhamic)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [governance] Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ICANN/ITU "legitimacy"
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> Il giorno lun, 11-04-2005 alle 09:00 +0300, McTim ha scritto:
>> > telephone company is. It's crazy. You can get an unlisted phone number
>> > for your home. Why can't you get a domain name for home use without
>> > publishing your private contact data?
>>
>> Well, you can, you just have to lie ;-)
>
> No, you can't. If you provide false data and someone complains, your
> domain gets quickly cancelled.
>
> On the other hand, if you had a way to prevent your data from being
> spread out to everyone without care, you would be much more likely to
> provide true data, and thus to be contactable when necessary. Actually,
> the present situation makes Whois hard to use - if you send a message to
> the email address listed in Whois, it often happens that it doesn't get
> read because 99% of what's sent to that address is spam.
>
>> Does the public benefit outweigh the possible downside to publication.
>> IMHO, it probably does.
>
> Unfortunately, that's not what the law says in my country.
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From rikp at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 11 18:48:00 2005
From: rikp at earthlink.net (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] further comments on Global Alliance
Message-ID: <20559419.1113241680805.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Dear Friends,

The following are my remarks at the Global Alliance consultation that took place this morning at the UN.  They elaborate upon previous comments that I have made on the Alliance, but perhaps might be useful to some people.

- Rik

==========================================

Global Alliance Recommendations
11 April 2005
Rik Panganiban, Communications Coordinator, 
Conference of NGOs in consultative relationship with the United Nations (CONGO)


CONGO is pleased to have an opportunity to again express its views on the purpose, structure and modus operandi of the proposed Global Alliance for ICT Policy and Development.  We view positively the fresh approach taken to following up on the WSIS as well as integrating ICTs into the larger UN development agenda.  And we are happy that there will be other opportunities for us to intervene in the coming weeks after the UN ICT Task Force Meeting in Dublin this week.  


1. For us, the main purpose of having a Global Alliance is to create a mechanism with the overall objective of moving more effectively from goal and standard setting to implementation. Such a follow-up mechanism should be established under the auspices of the UN Secretary General to avoid its mandate being hijacked by any group of actors, with a real multistakeholder partnership character in which civil society has significant weight.

2. It is important to recall that the main intent of traditional Commissions following UN summits is to provide a  forum for governments to come together periodically to report on their progress in achieving the goals the committed to at the Summit. NGOs traditionally attend the commission meetings to express their own views on how governments are doing, to network with each other and to promote their own projects related to the issue area.

 3. While the Commission process has done much to promote continued NGO participation in the UN system and been an important vehicle for promoting our ideas and proposals, there are definite disadvantages as well. Notably, Commissions are often weak mechanisms for getting governments to comply with their own commitments. NGOs often are lost among the hundreds of groups that show up. And the meetings are expensive and difficult for groups in the developing world to attend.

 4. The purpose of the Global Alliance ??? to promote ICTs to achieve the UN development agenda ??? will require a much more concerted effort to get governments, in partnership with civil society and the private sector, to create sound policies to implement this integrated vision. An annual report to a Commission meeting is not enough.

 5. One possibility is for the Global Alliance to establish a central online observatory to monitor how governments around the world are doing on achieving the WSIS and Millennium goals. Government provided data would be presented alongside international monitoring and reporting bodies like UNDP and the World Bank. NGOs and the private sector could present their own reports on what is happening on the ground and their recommendations for governments. Thus year-round, there would be an ongoing monitoring and reporting website where anyone could examine where various regions were at and see where more concerted action was needed.

 6. Once a year, the Global Alliance could convene in one of the developing regions of the world (Asia, Africa, Latin America, Central / Eastern Europe) to bring concerted attention and support to the unique problems and issues of that region. Emphasis at the meeting would be capacity building for government policy makers, NGO activists, and business entrepreneurs in the region to jumpstart development using ICTs.

These are just a couple of ideas that may help focus our discussions on what the concrete contributions of the Global Alliance might be. Thank you for the opportunity to contribute to this discussion, and we reiterate our willingness to assist the Task Force as it further refines the concept of the Global Alliance.


===============================================
RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations (CONGO) 
web: http://www.ngocongo.org
email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524 

* Information on the WSIS at http://www.ngocongo.org/wsis
* Information on Millennium+5 at http://www.ngocongo.org/mdg

From joeayo at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 11 19:35:33 2005
From: joeayo at yahoo.com (Olutuase O.A)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
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From richardjordan at lycos.com  Mon Apr 11 20:14:54 2005
From: richardjordan at lycos.com (richard jordan)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] further comments on Global Alliance
Message-ID: <20050411191454.152CB30E7DF@ws7-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

Rik, Could not find the consultation. Where is it? Richard J.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rik Panganiban" <rikp@earthlink.net>
To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] further comments on Global Alliance
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:48:00 -0700 (PDT)

> 
> Dear Friends,
> 
> The following are my remarks at the Global Alliance consultation 
> that took place this morning at the UN.  They elaborate upon 
> previous comments that I have made on the Alliance, but perhaps 
> might be useful to some people.
> 
> - Rik
> 
> ==========================================
> 
> Global Alliance Recommendations
> 11 April 2005
> Rik Panganiban, Communications Coordinator,
> Conference of NGOs in consultative relationship with the United 
> Nations (CONGO)
> 
> 
> CONGO is pleased to have an opportunity to again express its views 
> on the purpose, structure and modus operandi of the proposed Global 
> Alliance for ICT Policy and Development.  We view positively the 
> fresh approach taken to following up on the WSIS as well as 
> integrating ICTs into the larger UN development agenda.  And we are 
> happy that there will be other opportunities for us to intervene in 
> the coming weeks after the UN ICT Task Force Meeting in Dublin this 
> week.
> 
> 
> 1. For us, the main purpose of having a Global Alliance is to 
> create a mechanism with the overall objective of moving more 
> effectively from goal and standard setting to implementation. Such 
> a follow-up mechanism should be established under the auspices of 
> the UN Secretary General to avoid its mandate being hijacked by any 
> group of actors, with a real multistakeholder partnership character 
> in which civil society has significant weight.
> 
> 2. It is important to recall that the main intent of traditional 
> Commissions following UN summits is to provide a  forum for 
> governments to come together periodically to report on their 
> progress in achieving the goals the committed to at the Summit. 
> NGOs traditionally attend the commission meetings to express their 
> own views on how governments are doing, to network with each other 
> and to promote their own projects related to the issue area.
> 
>   3. While the Commission process has done much to promote 
> continued NGO participation in the UN system and been an important 
> vehicle for promoting our ideas and proposals, there are definite 
> disadvantages as well. Notably, Commissions are often weak 
> mechanisms for getting governments to comply with their own 
> commitments. NGOs often are lost among the hundreds of groups that 
> show up. And the meetings are expensive and difficult for groups in 
> the developing world to attend.
> 
>   4. The purpose of the Global Alliance ??? to promote ICTs to 
> achieve the UN development agenda ??? will require a much more 
> concerted effort to get governments, in partnership with civil 
> society and the private sector, to create sound policies to 
> implement this integrated vision. An annual report to a Commission 
> meeting is not enough.
> 
>   5. One possibility is for the Global Alliance to establish a 
> central online observatory to monitor how governments around the 
> world are doing on achieving the WSIS and Millennium goals. 
> Government provided data would be presented alongside international 
> monitoring and reporting bodies like UNDP and the World Bank. NGOs 
> and the private sector could present their own reports on what is 
> happening on the ground and their recommendations for governments. 
> Thus year-round, there would be an ongoing monitoring and reporting 
> website where anyone could examine where various regions were at 
> and see where more concerted action was needed.
> 
>   6. Once a year, the Global Alliance could convene in one of the 
> developing regions of the world (Asia, Africa, Latin America, 
> Central / Eastern Europe) to bring concerted attention and support 
> to the unique problems and issues of that region. Emphasis at the 
> meeting would be capacity building for government policy makers, 
> NGO activists, and business entrepreneurs in the region to 
> jumpstart development using ICTs.
> 
> These are just a couple of ideas that may help focus our 
> discussions on what the concrete contributions of the Global 
> Alliance might be. Thank you for the opportunity to contribute to 
> this discussion, and we reiterate our willingness to assist the 
> Task Force as it further refines the concept of the Global Alliance.
> 
> 
> ===============================================
> RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
> Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United 
> Nations (CONGO)
> web: http://www.ngocongo.org
> email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
> 
> * Information on the WSIS at http://www.ngocongo.org/wsis
> * Information on Millennium+5 at http://www.ngocongo.org/mdg
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


From Mueller at syr.edu  Mon Apr 11 20:36:39 2005
From: Mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
Message-ID: <s25a998c.007@gwia201.syr.edu>

>>> muguet@mdpi.org 4/6/2005 9:54:39 PM >>>
>You hate me because I prevented the implementation of the
>non inclusive solution of your fellow colleague Derek from Syracuse 
>University like you. I appreciate and I share the enthusiasm of Derek

>concerning the use of Virtual Conferencing tools but not at any cost,

>in all the sense of this word.  

Francis: I don't hate you. I just think you are promoting your cause in
a way that is divisive and counterproductive. Thanks for admitting that
you "prevented implementation" of proposed virtual meetings by CSB. It
is unfortunate that you chose to do this behind the scenes, without an
open debate. But I can understand it, because it is unlikely that you
could persuade people in an open, rational discussion of the merits. So
you raised a fuss and basically scared people. The actual outcome of
your actions is not to promote free software, but simply to prevent
meetings from happening. It is unfortunate that you are so focused on
"preventing," rather than building. 

I am pursuing this debate because I think it raises a fundamental
ethical and strategic issue, which I am willing to discuss openly and
calmly. 

Below I make the following arguments:
1. There is no acceptable open source substitute for the tool we are
using
2. A preference for free software does not mean that one should
actively prevent any uses of proprietary software when #1 is true
3. If you believe in total purity of software use, then to be
consistent you should work hard to prevent use of the ITU and WSIS
websites; since you don't, your focus on preventing use of Derricks'
conferencing platform is misplaced.

1.
I said: >> Cogburn uses it because it is the best available tool and
there are no open source substitutes.
>
You said: >I do not agree with this technical analysis. In fact, I
presented at PrepCom2 another
>solution based on GnomeMeeting

Gnome meeting does not have the "same" functionality. It supports
mostly person to person audio and video conversations (there are
numerous applications that do this already).  It doesn't have
presentation slides, white boards, mark-up capabilities, discussion
control, break-out rooms, etc.  Commercial webconferencing applications
can support as many people as  licences available (i.e., we can have up
to 40 people in simultaneous sessions in our virtual conference center;
and could have more with more resources). The client is free to download
and use; Derrick's Center has covered all the costs. 

Gnome meeting does not appear to work on Mac (which accounts for about
10% of the people in CS). Derrick's solution works with Windows, Mac and
Linux. So who is excluding people, you or us? Finally, the soution you
propose is extremely complicated to download and install. Nominal
inclusion of features for the disabled is meaningless if people have to
spend two hours and have expert support simply to install the stuff.
Simple question: have you tried your own "solution" with a meeting of
20+ people? 

The simple fact is that the best available solution for online virtual
collaboration right now is the tool Derrick is using. If there were a
free software tool we could use that did the same things, with as much
cross-platform capability, we would love to use it, and we would use it.


2. 
If indeed Derrick's chosen solution is the best for the job, then why
not use it until Gnome meeting or other FS solutions get more real? To
you, apparently, it is a kind of moral choice, which is why I accuse you
of having a religion about this. But remember that Derrick is not a
vendor promoting a solution for his own profit, he is just trying to
make virtual collaboration possible. By attacking him you do not change
the software industry. To prevent use of viable alternatives at any cost
seems to be irrational to me.

3. 
As indicated in my first message on this topic, I also question the
selective nature of your objections. You seem to have no sense of what
is strategically important, and you seem to have an entirely negative
focus on stopping people within this community from doing things (or
denouncing little academic journals). The real problems lie elsewhere.
So, I am challenging you: either be consistent and demand that no one on
this list link to or use the ITU, WGIG and WSIS websites (because they
rely on proprietary MS and Adobe software) or ease up on Derrick. 

--MM


From schock at riseup.net  Mon Apr 11 21:08:28 2005
From: schock at riseup.net (Sasha Costanza-Chock)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [Fwd: New reports make definitive case for municipal broadband]
Message-ID: <425AD93C.7020402@riseup.net>

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From schock at riseup.net  Mon Apr 11 21:19:17 2005
From: schock at riseup.net (Sasha Costanza-Chock)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Blog from this week's WIPO meeting
Message-ID: <425ADBC5.6070703@riseup.net>

Free Press (www.freepress.net) and the Consumer Project on Technology 
(www.cptech.org) are teaming up to bring you a blow-by-blow from inside 
this week's important World Intellectual Propety Organization (WIPO) 
meeting in Geneva.

At this meeting, public interest organizations are supporting developing 
country demands for a Development Agenda that would reform WIPO and put 
development needs ahead of an ever-broader 'intellectual property' 
regime. If the Development Agenda succeeds, WIPO could shift from its 
current role as a tool of Big Media, Pharma, Agribusiness, and 
Micro$oft, used to promote stronger, longer copyright, patents, and 
trademarks without regard to the impact on health, creativity, and 
development, to an institution that promotes access to knowledge with 
the aim of meeting the UN Millenium Development Goals.

Brazilian activist Pablo Ortellado will be blogging regular updates on 
the battle inside WIPO to www.mediatrademonitor.org.

From Bill.McIver at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca  Mon Apr 11 23:18:05 2005
From: Bill.McIver at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca (Bill McIver)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
In-Reply-To: <s25a998c.007@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s25a998c.007@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <425AF79D.3070503@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>


Dr. Muguet,

I was aware of the criticism from various places of Dr. Cogburn's offer, 
which
I think was unfortunate; however, now that you admit it, I
think this action was unconscionable and demonstrates a fundamental lack
of understanding of the priorities around activism AND of software 
development issues.


0. I don't think anyone here is against the idea of using solutions that
   are universally inclusive.

1. The class of software of which we speak is complex and costly to 
implement
   relative to almost all but the open source kernels that *some* WSIS 
activists use.
   Thus, it is not surprising that equivalent free or shareware versions 
are not yet available.
   Even if this were not the case, your actions were inexcusable given 
(3) and (4) below.

2. Given (1), our more immediate priority was/is that of creating spaces 
where effective
   work can be done.

3. The solution offered by Dr. Cogburn **did**, as I recall, include 
free access to
   the client software.

4. Further, the client software had ports to Linux, Mac, and Windows and 
the server
    hosting costs were to be borne by Syracuse and Dr. Cogburn without 
any explicit product endorsements.
    What more could any serious activist ask for given (1)?


Those of us here who hold the long view of pursuing just and productive 
outcomes
for WSIS and related processes should head off this kind of 
obstructionism in the future.

WJM


Milton Mueller wrote:

>>>>muguet@mdpi.org 4/6/2005 9:54:39 PM >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>You hate me because I prevented the implementation of the
>>non inclusive solution of your fellow colleague Derek from Syracuse 
>>University like you. I appreciate and I share the enthusiasm of Derek
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>concerning the use of Virtual Conferencing tools but not at any cost,
>>    
>>
>
>
>--MM
>
>_______________________________________________
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>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>  
>


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From: tracey at traceynaughton.com (Tracey Naughton)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
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Message-ID: <5968b6f0e630480f3a27791dea4acd06@traceynaughton.com>

Milton

For clarification purposes, the main reason the CSB decided not to use 
the collaboration tool for on-line meetings, is linguistic. Whilst 
there were other issues, if this barrier did not exist I believe that 
most of the CSB would willingly use the tool. Perhaps you could deploy 
some of your time in developing a translation solution.

regards

Tracey Naughton


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From mjr at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Apr 12 09:57:10 2005
From: mjr at dsl.pipex.com (MJ Ray)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [governance] Re: [WSIS-CT] Background of
 my objection on final  statement of Internet Governance Caucus
In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:29:16 +0100 
	<421EE1DC.6020906@bertola.eu.org>
References: <421BCA90.3020804@wz-berlin.de> <05fb01c51a7a$8791d1a0$a1d86a9c@YJ> <f31d8e25f3e4a9f54bfd0f4cf1cd3386@earthlink.net> <017101c51aa8$96f56660$a1d86a9c@YJ> <421E4DBD.1060903@wz-berlin.de> <p06010205be443917d0c5@[192.168.1.100]> <421EE1DC.6020906@bertola.eu.org>
Message-ID: <E1DLHCo-0004eA-00@pipe.localnet>

Vittorio Bertola wrote:
> Is it hijacking, or is it simply that there is a prevailing view and a
> dissenting minority? To which extent a minority can stop the majority from
> expressing its views, especially after due procedures and discussion?

There is a reverse to this question too: to what extent may
the majority suppress the minority view? As far as I can tell,
the statement presented only gave one point of view and failed
to represent any others, even to say that they exist.

This is a real issue which workingmethods WG should address. One
of its participants, Vittorio Bertola, repeatedly suggests
dictatorship of the majority ("An initial proposal" points B2,
B5, C2, E7, January 2005) and failed to reply to a private
enquiry about it. On-list, things get inflamed by comments
about legitimacy.

I would really like to hear workingmethods plans on this list.

-- 
MJR/slef
http://www.affs.org.uk/~mjr/


From vb at bertola.eu.org  Tue Apr 12 10:24:40 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [governance] Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ICANN/ITU "legitimacy"
In-Reply-To: <521989f4342f3c1471c3dc5ab54e381d@pch.net>
References: <s259cae4.000@gwia201.syr.edu> <1113223044.4241.75.camel@croce.dyf.it> <521989f4342f3c1471c3dc5ab54e381d@pch.net>
Message-ID: <425B93D8.1000405@bertola.eu.org>

Tom Vest ha scritto:
> So, it seems to me that having more producers results in having more 
> Internet resources (users + usage + uses).
> 
> But perhaps this is irrelevant to the aims of Internet governance?

No, perhaps you missed my point: I was saying that the Internet, 
differently from the previous networks, relies heavily on users to 
create content and services, and that's why it is so free and socially 
innovative. I'm not questioning whether governments would be better or 
worse than ISPs, I'm saying that you really need to leave users their role.
-- 
vb.             [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...

From vb at bertola.eu.org  Tue Apr 12 10:22:14 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
In-Reply-To: <5968b6f0e630480f3a27791dea4acd06@traceynaughton.com>
References: <s25a998c.007@gwia201.syr.edu> <5968b6f0e630480f3a27791dea4acd06@traceynaughton.com>
Message-ID: <425B9346.3030201@bertola.eu.org>

Tracey Naughton ha scritto:
> Milton
> 
> For clarification purposes, the main reason the CSB decided not to use 
> the collaboration tool for on-line meetings, is linguistic. Whilst there 
> were other issues, if this barrier did not exist I believe that most of 
> the CSB would willingly use the tool. Perhaps you could deploy some of 
> your time in developing a translation solution.

I am all in favour of multilinguism - in fact, I think I'm the only one 
who at last ICANN meetings made the point that they should not translate 
leaflets and website, they should actually make policy-making processes 
multilingual, translate working materials and meetings, etc.

At the same time, it seems to me that renouncing to have meetings 
because there is (yet) no real time translation tool is as ideological 
as renouncing to have meetings because there is (yet) no free software 
tool for conferencing. "Ideological" is not a bad word or a bad reason 
per se, but I just want to make the point that you apparently would 
treat the free software concerns differently from the francophone 
concerns. I think that either we find an "ideology-friendly" solution 
that suits all different souls of civil society, or we go for a 
"reality-friendly" solution that does as well as possible in the present 
situation, without preventing things from happening.

May I ask how do you solve the linguistic problem at physical meetings? 
Do you have real time translation, scribing, or what?

Also, perhaps someone could explore the state of the art in real time 
automatical speech-to-text + real time translation, though I think there 
is no hope that that would actually work well.

Thanks,
-- 
vb.             [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...

From mjr at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Apr 12 10:39:14 2005
From: mjr at dsl.pipex.com (MJ Ray)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the Internet governance caucus
In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:07:38 +0900 
	<p06210246be449ad6b51d@[156.106.217.38]>
References: <p06210246be449ad6b51d@[156.106.217.38]>
Message-ID: <E1DLHrW-0004gT-00@pipe.localnet>

[eo resumo] Malfermaj grupoj estas pli ol videblaj grupoj. Helpo
pri agmetodoj kaj aktualaj agadoj estas dirinda. [/eo]

[fr resume'] Groupes ouverts sont plu de groupes visibles. Aide
au sujet de methodes d'action et actions actuels doit etre donne. [/fr]

Adam wrote:
> I made a very general statement in Plenary this morning saying that
> the Internet governance caucus is open (open list, open archives,
> open membership, open meetings.) We welcome all issues and have not,
> to the best of my knowledge, ever refused to listen to any person's
> opinion. We welcome contributions from anyone from civil society.

There is (or should be?) more to being an open caucus than merely
having open archives and meetings. I'd call that transparent
rather than open. I do not wish to suggest that the Internet
Governance (IG) caucus is the only one with problems, but I will
use it as an example because a member made the above statement.

A CS actor who wants to get involved with IG caucus may visit
the web site http://www.wsis-cs.org/ and follow the link marked
"Civil Society Caucuses and Working groups and how to get
involved." This leads to a page of mailing list links (with no
info on how to get involved, as far as I noticed). Following
the IG mailing list link leads to an archive. Picking a couple
of months suggests nothing which obviously gives a summary
of the work currently underway, not a statement of anyone
coordinating. Following the link for "More info on this list"
brings a normal mailman listinfo page, which only links to
the archives.

At the end of that journey, I still do not really know what
the IG caucus is or how to get involved with it. Using generic
search engines, I found the web site at http://www.net-gov.org/
and that doesn't give any advice on getting involved either.
After the criticism of the WGIG selection method, I'm surprised
this hasn't drawn attention.

Looking at random other caucuses, most have more description of
their actions, but are often out-of-date or have very little
advice about how they (wish to) act. I don't remember most
making any statements to the virtual plenary list, which seems
essential for greater transparency.

Are caucuses sure that they are open? Check and act, please.

-- 
Best wishes,

MJR/slef
http://www.affs.org.uk/~mjr/


From biebl at icnm.net  Tue Apr 12 10:38:36 2005
From: biebl at icnm.net (Thomas Biebl)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] INVITATION to the World Summit Contributory Conference on ICT & Creativity Vienna, Austria, June 2-3, 2005
Message-ID: <20050412093836.B26D7D35A2@mail.icnm.at>

Dear colleagues and partners,

"ICT and Creativity" is the challenging topic of the upcoming World Summit
Contributory Conference to be held in Vienna, Austria, June 2-3, 2005.

I would like to personally invite you to this event which is convened by the
Austrian Federal Government.

200 high-level representatives from over 20 countries are scheduled to
discuss and share their insights in order to draft a Vienna Declaration
which will be presented to the UN World Summit Conference in Tunis in
November.

The conference will be both a vision event with key government and industry
leaders sharing their perspectives and a working meeting on concrete issues
of e-content and creative use of technologies.

As a WSIS Thematic Meeting in preparation of the Tunis Summit in November
participants will be invited to contribute to the ?Vienna Declaration on ICT
& Creativity? for the Plenary Session of the WSIS governmental, business and
civil society Summit in Tunis.

You are being personally invited as one of the four stakeholders of the
conference:
- e-content, multimedia and IT experts with international horizon/global
reputation
- key governmental officials in the Area of Culture, Technology, and
Innovation
- CEOs und executives from the new media industries
- Activists from the Civil Society in media production and creative
industries

The Conference is jointly organised under the leadership of the Austrian
Federal Chancellery and the Ministry for Economics and Labour, with
contributions coming from the Ministry for Foreign Affairs, the Ministry for
Education, Science and Culture, the Ministry of Interior, the Ministry of
Infrastructure and Innovation, the Austrian Commission for the UNESCO and
leading companies such as Telekom Austria AG.

The conference will be addressed in person by the Austrian Federal
Chancellor Wolfgang Sch?ssel, the ITU Secretary-General Joshio Utsumi and
UNESCO Director-General Ko?chiro Matsuura, who will deliver the opening
sessions.

Please let me know if you are able and interested in participating and write
me at: wsa-conference@icnm.net
Yours sincerely,

Prof. Dr. Peter A. Bruck
Chairman, World Summit Award Board of Directors


PS: For pre-registration and conference information please visit: 
www.wsa-conference.org

PPS: The Vienna conference follows the WSA Global ICT Summits that have been
held in Hong Kong, China and Baku, Azerbaijan in the last months. With the
theme ?Creativity and IT: Strategies in the World Information Society?, it
will raise public awareness for the importance of creativity and e-Content
in relation to infrastructure development and network access.





From bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de  Tue Apr 12 13:20:55 2005
From: bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the Internet governance caucus
In-Reply-To: <E1DLHrW-0004gT-00@pipe.localnet>
References: <p06210246be449ad6b51d@[156.106.217.38]> <E1DLHrW-0004gT-00@pipe.localnet>
Message-ID: <425BBD27.70304@zedat.fu-berlin.de>

MJ Ray schrieb:

> A CS actor who wants to get involved with IG caucus may visit
> the web site http://www.wsis-cs.org/ and follow the link marked
> "Civil Society Caucuses and Working groups and how to get
> involved." This leads to a page of mailing list links 
And with the caucus coordinators mentioned, including their email 
addresses. It is no problem to just drop them a mail and ask how to best 
get involved. This is true for every caucus.

 > Following the link for "More info on this list"
> brings a normal mailman listinfo page, which only links to
> the archives.
And gives you info on how to subscribe.

> Using generic
> search engines, I found the web site at http://www.net-gov.org/
I am really sorry. This website had been up for quite a while, it had just 
not been listed on www.wsis-cs.org. I have just updated that page, 
including links to some other caucuses' public list archives etc.

> Looking at random other caucuses, most have more description of
> their actions, but are often out-of-date or have very little
> advice about how they (wish to) act. 
This is probably due to the fact that most of us do this as volunteers and 
in our spare time. I am myself coordinating a caucus (privacy & security), 
and we don't even have a website yet. No bad intentions, just lack of time 
and ressources. But everybody who wants to get involved can contact me and 
Karen (the other coordinator) or joint the mailing list and is more than 
welcome and nwill get all needed information.

I hope this gives a bit better understanding of why things are sometimes 
less than perfect.

Best, Ralf

From mjr at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Apr 12 14:01:28 2005
From: mjr at dsl.pipex.com (MJ Ray)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:47 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the Internet governance caucus
In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:20:55 +0200 
	<425BBD27.70304@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
References: <p06210246be449ad6b51d@[156.106.217.38]> <E1DLHrW-0004gT-00@pipe.localnet> <425BBD27.70304@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <E1DLL1E-0005J1-00@pipe.localnet>

Ralf wrote:
> And with the caucus coordinators mentioned, including their email
> addresses. It is no problem to just drop them a mail and ask how to best
> get involved. This is true for every caucus.

Actually, the page does not say "coordinators" anywhere, but
variously refers to "focal points" "contact points" and "list
owners". That is probably just a minor language/jargon problem,
but I assumed they were list owners in the sense of RFC 2369
section 3.5 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2369.txt

Therefore, why would I contact them? I follow a link on the
wsis-cs site labelled "how to get involved" and there's no
suggestion that it's correct to email the names rather than
"click here for info". It is far easier to read than write,
especially if we need to use a second language, but even in my
first language. Having read "how to get involved" and still not
being sure, I think some will decide that they are not able to
read or understand the jargon well enough to participate.

I am glad that you are improving the pages and I understand
that we are mostly volunteers. I hope that you will improve
accessibility of www.wsis-cs.org as an early task, especially
text colours and sizes. It cannot be fully open without it.

It would be good if there was some statement of what basic
information a group should publish in order to call itself
"open". Based on my previous message, I suggest that an
"open caucus" should:
1. fill every column on http://www.wsis-cs.org/caucuses.html ;
2. offer a "how we are working" new user intro on its web page; and
3. publish a (very short?) activity summary to their mailing list
or web page periodically (with period stated on their web page).

Ideally, summaries should appear here when something noteworthy
happens. Some caucuses will not ever be "open" but that may be
alright for their purpose.

-- 
Best wishes,

MJR/slef
http://www.affs.org.uk/~mjr/


From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Tue Apr 12 14:48:45 2005
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Briefing on WSIS/Tunis Phase during the UN Commission on Human Rights
Message-ID: <423AEC4700292B92@mail2.bluewin.ch> (added by postmaster@bluewin.ch)

Dear all,

To all those who happen to be in Geneva during this time of the Commission
on Human Rights a cordial invitation:



INFORMATION ? TECHNOLOGY ? HUMAN RIGHTS

The Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations
(CONGO)
Invites you to a Briefing during the Commission on Human Rights on

THE WORLD SUMMIT ON THE INFORMATION SOCIETY/TUNIS PHASE
Considerations for the Human Rights Community

Wednesday, 13 April, 11:00 ? 13:00
Palais des Nations
Room XXVII


Speakers: 

Janis Karklins			President, PrepCom
Charles Geiger			Executive Director, WSIS Secretariat
Markus Kummer			Executive Coordinator, Working Group
					On Internet Governance
William Drake			President, Computer Professionals for Social
Responsibility

Moderator:

Renate Bloem			President CONGO





Renate Bloem
President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
11, Avenue de la Paix
CH-1202 Geneva
Tel: +41 22 301 1000
Fax: +41 22 301 2000
E-mil: rbloem@ngocongo.org
Website: www.ngocongo.org
?
The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, membership association
that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United Nations debates and
decisions. Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective is to ensure the
presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's governments and United
Nations agencies on issues of global concern.? For more information see our
website at www.ngocongo.org
Reminder: CONGO Postal Address Has Changed
We will soon be unable to receive mail at our old address at the Palais des
Nations in Geneva.? So please make sure to update your records with CONGO's
new Geneva office postal address: CP 50, 1211 Gen?ve 20, Switzerland.? Our
physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 1st Floor, 1202 Gen?ve,
Switzerland.

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From Bruno.Salgues at int-evry.fr  Tue Apr 12 14:24:27 2005
From: Bruno.Salgues at int-evry.fr (Bruno SALGUES)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] INVITATION to the World Summit Contributory Conference on ICT & Creativity Vienna, Austria, June 2-3, 2005
In-Reply-To: <20050412093836.B26D7D35A2@mail.icnm.at>
References: <20050412093836.B26D7D35A2@mail.icnm.at>
Message-ID: <1113312267.425bcc0bd0e86@imp.int-evry.fr>

i am organizing in this time

SIANA 2005

semaine des arts numerique et alternatif
digital arts week

in evry near Paris
and i have proposed to create a caucus on creativity and digital arts
are you agree baout this idea

bruno
professor
int

www.int-evry.fr/siana
www.siana2005.net
www.salgues.com

Selon Thomas Biebl <biebl@icnm.net>:

> Dear colleagues and partners,
>
> "ICT and Creativity" is the challenging topic of the upcoming World Summit
> Contributory Conference to be held in Vienna, Austria, June 2-3, 2005.
>
> I would like to personally invite you to this event which is convened by the
> Austrian Federal Government.
>
> 200 high-level representatives from over 20 countries are scheduled to
> discuss and share their insights in order to draft a Vienna Declaration
> which will be presented to the UN World Summit Conference in Tunis in
> November.
>
> The conference will be both a vision event with key government and industry
> leaders sharing their perspectives and a working meeting on concrete issues
> of e-content and creative use of technologies.
>
> As a WSIS Thematic Meeting in preparation of the Tunis Summit in November
> participants will be invited to contribute to the ?Vienna Declaration on ICT
> & Creativity? for the Plenary Session of the WSIS governmental, business and
> civil society Summit in Tunis.
>
> You are being personally invited as one of the four stakeholders of the
> conference:
> - e-content, multimedia and IT experts with international horizon/global
> reputation
> - key governmental officials in the Area of Culture, Technology, and
> Innovation
> - CEOs und executives from the new media industries
> - Activists from the Civil Society in media production and creative
> industries
>
> The Conference is jointly organised under the leadership of the Austrian
> Federal Chancellery and the Ministry for Economics and Labour, with
> contributions coming from the Ministry for Foreign Affairs, the Ministry for
> Education, Science and Culture, the Ministry of Interior, the Ministry of
> Infrastructure and Innovation, the Austrian Commission for the UNESCO and
> leading companies such as Telekom Austria AG.
>
> The conference will be addressed in person by the Austrian Federal
> Chancellor Wolfgang Sch?ssel, the ITU Secretary-General Joshio Utsumi and
> UNESCO Director-General Ko?chiro Matsuura, who will deliver the opening
> sessions.
>
> Please let me know if you are able and interested in participating and write
> me at: wsa-conference@icnm.net
> Yours sincerely,
>
> Prof. Dr. Peter A. Bruck
> Chairman, World Summit Award Board of Directors
>
>
> PS: For pre-registration and conference information please visit:
> www.wsa-conference.org
>
> PPS: The Vienna conference follows the WSA Global ICT Summits that have been
> held in Hong Kong, China and Baku, Azerbaijan in the last months. With the
> theme ?Creativity and IT: Strategies in the World Information Society?, it
> will raise public awareness for the importance of creativity and e-Content
> in relation to infrastructure development and network access.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>




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From rikp at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 12 15:49:59 2005
From: rikp at earthlink.net (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the Internet governance caucus
In-Reply-To: <E1DLL1E-0005J1-00@pipe.localnet>
References: <p06210246be449ad6b51d@[156.106.217.38]> <E1DLHrW-0004gT-00@pipe.localnet> <425BBD27.70304@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <E1DLL1E-0005J1-00@pipe.localnet>
Message-ID: <6ce9164af546273fbd2d59d76f699d1c@earthlink.net>

Hi MJ,

These questions about levels "openness" of caucuses and working groups 
is exactly the kind of questions we are wrestling with in the Working 
Group on Working Methods.  For those who wish to discuss these issues 
further, that would be a good place to channel this discussion:

	http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman//listinfo/workingmethods

Cheers,

Rik Panganiban
CONGO

On Apr 12, 2005, at 9:01 AM, MJ Ray wrote:

> Ralf wrote:
>> And with the caucus coordinators mentioned, including their email
>> addresses. It is no problem to just drop them a mail and ask how to 
>> best
>> get involved. This is true for every caucus.
>
> Actually, the page does not say "coordinators" anywhere, but
> variously refers to "focal points" "contact points" and "list
> owners". That is probably just a minor language/jargon problem,
> but I assumed they were list owners in the sense of RFC 2369
> section 3.5 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2369.txt
>
> Therefore, why would I contact them? I follow a link on the
> wsis-cs site labelled "how to get involved" and there's no
> suggestion that it's correct to email the names rather than
> "click here for info". It is far easier to read than write,
> especially if we need to use a second language, but even in my
> first language. Having read "how to get involved" and still not
> being sure, I think some will decide that they are not able to
> read or understand the jargon well enough to participate.
>
> I am glad that you are improving the pages and I understand
> that we are mostly volunteers. I hope that you will improve
> accessibility of www.wsis-cs.org as an early task, especially
> text colours and sizes. It cannot be fully open without it.
>
> It would be good if there was some statement of what basic
> information a group should publish in order to call itself
> "open". Based on my previous message, I suggest that an
> "open caucus" should:
> 1. fill every column on http://www.wsis-cs.org/caucuses.html ;
> 2. offer a "how we are working" new user intro on its web page; and
> 3. publish a (very short?) activity summary to their mailing list
> or web page periodically (with period stated on their web page).
>
> Ideally, summaries should appear here when something noteworthy
> happens. Some caucuses will not ever be "open" but that may be
> alright for their purpose.
>
> -- 
> Best wishes,
>
> MJR/slef
> http://www.affs.org.uk/~mjr/
>
===============================================
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Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations 
(CONGO)
web: http://www.ngocongo.org
email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
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From greve at fsfeurope.org  Tue Apr 12 15:59:45 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
In-Reply-To: <425B9346.3030201@bertola.eu.org> (Vittorio Bertola's message of
	"Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:22:14 +0200")
References: <s25a998c.007@gwia201.syr.edu>
	<5968b6f0e630480f3a27791dea4acd06@traceynaughton.com>
	<425B9346.3030201@bertola.eu.org>
Message-ID: <m3fyxwrqfy.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org>

Dear Vittorio,

 || On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:22:14 +0200
 || Vittorio Bertola <vb@bertola.eu.org> wrote: 

 vb> At the same time, it seems to me that renouncing to have meetings
 vb> because there is (yet) no real time translation tool is as
 vb> ideological as renouncing to have meetings because there is (yet)
 vb> no free software tool for conferencing.

While you are right to point out that ideology is not a bad word per
se, it is generally used in a derogatory form such as the one that
you demonstrate in your message.

By clearly expressing that you disagree with a certain course of
action and making its "ideological nature" the reason for your
disagreement, you make it clear that you disagree with something
purely on the basis that is it ideological, thus turning it into a
"bad thing."


To the subject matter:

Civil Society largely defines itself by its principles, among which
are inclusiveness, freedom and transparency. I do not think that Civil
Society should only adhere to its principles in case they do not
happen to interfere with convenience.

Unless WSIS Civil Society wishes to officially assume the position
that people using Free Software and people from the South with less
extensive hardware and connectivity should be rightfully excluded from
its political discourse, proprietary conferencing software cannot be
considered.

Sorry for the brevity, the WIPO IIM is somewhat intense. [*]

Regards from Geneva,
Georg


[*] Our intern Karsten Gerloff is doing a "overview blogging" at
https://www.fsfe.org/Members/gerloff/blog/ in case you're interested.

-- 
Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
Free Software Foundation Europe	                 (http://fsfeurope.org)
Join the Fellowship and protect your freedom!     (http://www.fsfe.org)
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From rikp at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 12 17:26:16 2005
From: rikp at earthlink.net (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] RE: Collaboration software debate
Message-ID: <2c11c7566d5b56b0432c6a455e3fe75d@earthlink.net>

Derrick was having trouble sending this, so I am forwarding.

Rik

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Derrick L. Cogburn <dcogburn@syr.edu>
> Date: April 12, 2005 7:44:31 AM EDT
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
>
> Tracey,
>
> I have promised myself to stay out of these discussions, but again, a 
> comment has drawn me out.  Surely the deciding factor could not have 
> been the linguistic/translation issues.  As you know, I had already 
> promised to take up the offer from ICV who provided simultaneous and 
> sequential translation for the Cape Town meeting that we would explore 
> how to provide translation in an online session (in fact, I was quite 
> excited about confronting this challenge).  The translators were also 
> excited about this possibility and I clearly articulated that we would 
> be exploring immediately how to handle this.  I also provided examples 
> of how I have handled the "disability" issue in some of my advanced 
> graduate seminars, where we have had, for example, deaf students 
> participate actively using this type of software.  Also, everyone 
> should know that I tried for over a year, expending my own resources, 
> to try to assist both the CS in general, and the CSB in particular 
> with its distributed collaboration practices.  My first proposal was 
> to the CSB at PrepCom III for WSIS Geneva.  Since that time, I believe 
> that I addressed every issue/challenge, save one, raised by the 
> participants.  If that remaining issue could be addressed at this 
> time, I would.
>
> Cheers,
> Derrick
>
> Derrick L. Cogburn, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> School of Information Studies
> and Senior Research Associate
> Moynihan Institute of Global Affairs
> Maxwell School of Citizenship & Public Affairs
> Syracuse University
> 311 Hinds Hall
> Syracuse, NY 13244-4100
> Phone: +1.315.443.5441
> Fax: +1.315.443.6886
> http://cotelco.net/~dcogburn
> http://istweb.syr.edu/~dcogburn
> http://cove.cotelco.net
>
>
> On Apr 11, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Tracey Naughton wrote:
>
>> Milton
>>
>> For clarification purposes, the main reason the CSB decided not to 
>> use the collaboration tool for on-line meetings, is linguistic. 
>> Whilst there were other issues, if this barrier did not exist I 
>> believe that most of the CSB would willingly use the tool. Perhaps 
>> you could deploy some of your time in developing a translation 
>> solution.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Tracey Naughton
>>
>>
>> Tracey Naughton
>> NYAKA
>> Communication for Development Consultant
>> 201 Somerset hall
>> 239 Oxford Road
>> Illovo     2196
>> South Africa
>>
>>
>
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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Tue Apr 12 18:38:21 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
In-Reply-To: <m3fyxwrqfy.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org>
References: <s25a998c.007@gwia201.syr.edu>	<5968b6f0e630480f3a27791dea4acd06@traceynaughton.com>	<425B9346.3030201@bertola.eu.org> <m3fyxwrqfy.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org>
Message-ID: <425C078D.4080303@bertola.eu.org>

Georg C. F. Greve ha scritto:
>  vb> At the same time, it seems to me that renouncing to have meetings
>  vb> because there is (yet) no real time translation tool is as
>  vb> ideological as renouncing to have meetings because there is (yet)
>  vb> no free software tool for conferencing.
> 
> While you are right to point out that ideology is not a bad word per
> se, it is generally used in a derogatory form such as the one that
> you demonstrate in your message.

Actually, I just pointed out that "we're not doing it because we can't 
get translations" and "we're not doing it because we can't get free 
software to do it" are both ideological assertions - I never implied any 
negative meaning to this.

(BTW, the first assertion would not be ideological, but practical, if we 
actually had Bureau members who are not able to communicate in English, 
but to the best of my knowledge this is not the case.)

> By clearly expressing that you disagree with a certain course of
> action and making its "ideological nature" the reason for your
> disagreement,

Uhm... where exactly did I say that I disagree or that, if I did, I 
would do so because I despise ideological reasons?

I would please ask you to feel free to criticize my opinions, but do not 
criticize your preemptive interpretation of my opinions. It is extremely 
easy, when discussing in electronic form, to completely misunderstand 
what the other person said, so everyone should put extra care in that.

> To the subject matter:

I think that no one disagrees with the idea that you should practice 
what you preach. I think that some people just think that, while you 
build your perfect world in which all your principles will be reflected, 
you have to accept some compromises when the deviation in practice from 
the principles is neglectible in comparison to the advantage that is got 
by such deviation.

You are free to think that there should never be any deviation, but 
please accept that others might have a different opinion, and a full 
right to act according to it. (Also, in the specific, unless your 
ultimate target is to outlaw all proprietary software, you should be 
ready to live peacefully with people that gladly use and support the 
proprietary development model and perhaps consider it even ethically or 
practically better than the free one.)

> Unless WSIS Civil Society wishes to officially assume the position
> that people using Free Software and people from the South with less
> extensive hardware and connectivity should be rightfully excluded from
> its political discourse

But if we have no discourse because there is no acceptable tool that we 
can use to discuss, then everyone is excluded and we don't get to anything.

Again, this is my personal opinion, but I really don't see why you can't 
just let other people do things their way when they have a different 
opinion than yours.
-- 
vb.             [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...

From pimienta at funredes.org  Tue Apr 12 19:08:04 2005
From: pimienta at funredes.org (Daniel Pimienta)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Language issues on the Plenary list...
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050411171301.03151bb8@funredes.org>

Following Robert Guerra's request and after giving some thoughts,
Funredes decides it will:

1) Offer a complimentary minimum service in the form of a web page
holding the sequence of translated contributions of the list.
This will be accesible at http://wsis.funredes.org (we will
open a directory in http://wsis.funredes.org/plenary)
I need the owner of the plenary list to contact me in order
to proceed with some technical tricks to make it possible.
I will explain before the launch the way to use it and the
implications.

2) Document the automatic translation issues and process.
This is done in English only at this time and you can read
it at http://funredes.org/tradauto
Whoever is interested in the issue can find comprehensive information
at this place.

3) Look after some external support to enhance the quality of service.
In particular I am a speaker in the next WSIS meeting in Bamako
http://portal.unesco.org/ci/admin/ev.php?URL_ID=17688&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201
and I will try to use the floor to sensitize about that issue.

The first level of service will allow to read in a single URL the
concatenated translations in English, French, Spanish and Portuguese.
A better way would be to separate the directories by language.
A more advanced manner would be to allow people to subscribe into
a parallel list with the original message and the translation in
a given language.
As I said the cost for such improvements is in the order of some
thousands of US$ per year and we think it is marginal compared to
the benefits.

If anyone has some comments or questions after reading
http://funredes.org/tradauto please contact me.


-----------> ESPA?OL (ATENCION: LA SIGUIENTE ES UNA TRADUCCION AUTOMATICA
                     NO REVISADA DEL ORIGINAL EN INGLES)

La petici?n de Roberto Guerra de siguiente y despu?s de dar algunos
pensamientos, Funredes decide que :

1) ofrece un servicio m?nimo elogioso en la forma de un Web page que
lleva a cabo la secuencia de las contribuciones traducidas de la
lista. Esto sea accesible en http://wsis.funredes.org (abriremos un
directorio en http://wsis.funredes.org/plenary) que necesito a due?o
de la lista plenaria entrarme en contacto con para proceder con
algunos trucos t?cnicos a hacerla posible. Explicar? antes del
lanzamiento la manera de utilizar la y las implicaciones.

2) documenta las ediciones de la traducci?n autom?tica y las
procesa. Esto se hace en ingl?s solamente en este tiempo y usted
puede leerlo en http://funredes.org/tradauto que quienquiera est?
interesado en la edici?n puede encontrar la informaci?n comprensiva
en este lugar.

3) se ocupa de una cierta ayuda externa para realzar la calidad del
servicio. En detalle soy un locutor en la reuni?n siguiente de WSIS
en Bamako
http://portal.unesco.org/ci/admin/ev.php?URL_ID=17688&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201
e intentar? utilizar el piso para sensibilizar sobre esa edici?n.

El primer nivel del servicio permitir? para leer adentro un solo URL
las traducciones concatenadas en ingl?s, franc?s, espa?ol y
portugu?s. Una manera mejor ser?a separar los directorios por
lengua. Una manera m?s avanzada ser?a permitir que la gente suscriba
en una lista paralela con el mensaje original y la traducci?n en una
lengua dada. Como dije el coste para tales mejoras est? en la orden
de algunos millares de USS por a?o y pensamos que es marginal
comparada a las ventajas.

Si cualquier persona tiene algunos comentarios o preguntas despu?s de
que lea http://funredes.org/tradauto me entra en contacto con por
favor.


-----------> FRANCAIS (ATTENTION: CECI EST UNE TRADUCTION AUTOMATIQUE NON
                     REVISEE DE L'ORIGINAL EN ANGLAIS)

La demande de Robert Guerra suivant et apr?s avoir donn? quelques
pens?es, Funredes d?cide qu'elle  :

1) offrent un service minimum ?logieux sous forme de page Web
tenant l'ordre des contributions traduites de la liste. Ce soit
accesible ? http://wsis.funredes.org (nous ouvrirons un annuaire dans
http://wsis.funredes.org/plenary) que j'ai besoin du propri?taire de
la liste pl?ni?re pour me contacter afin de proc?der ? quelques
tours techniques pour la rendre possible. J'expliquerai avant le
lancement la mani?re d'employer elle et les implications.

2) documentent les issues de traduction automatique et les traitent.
Ceci est fait en anglais seulement actuellement et vous pouvez le lire
? http://funredes.org/tradauto que celui qui est int?ress? par
l'issue peut trouver l'information compl?te ? cet endroit.

3) s'occupent d'un certain appui externe pour augmenter la qualit? du
service. En particulier je suis un orateur lors de la prochaine
r?union de WSIS ? Bamako
http://portal.unesco.org/ci/admin/ev.php?URL_ID=17688&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201
et j'essayerai d'employer le plancher pour sensibiliser au sujet de
cette issue.

Le premier niveau du service laissera lire dedans un URL simple les
traductions encha?n?es en anglais, fran?ais, l'Espagnol et le
Portugais. Une meilleure mani?re serait de s?parer les annuaires par
langue. Une fa?on plus avan??e devrait permettre ? des personnes
de souscrire dans une liste parall?le avec le message original et la
traduction dans une langue donn?e. Comme j'ai dit le co?t pour de
telles am?liorations est dans l'ordre de quelques milliers d'USS par
an et nous pensons qu'il est marginal compar? aux avantages.

Si n'importe qui a quelques commentaires ou questions apr?s que
lisant http://funredes.org/tradauto svp me contactent.


-----------> PORTUGUES (ADVERTENCIA: A TRADUCAO SEGUINTE E UMA TRADUCAO
                     AUTOMATICA NAO REVISADA DO ORIGINAL EM INGLES)

O pedido de Robert Guerra seguindo e ap?s ter dado alguns
pensamentos, Funredes decide-se que :

1) oferecem um servi?o m?nimo complimentary no formul?rio de um Web
page que prende a seq??ncia de contribui??es traduzidas da lista.
Isto seja accesible em http://wsis.funredes.org (n?s abriremos um
diret?rio em http://wsis.funredes.org/plenary) que eu necessito o
propriet?rio da lista plenary me contatar a fim proseguir com alguns
truques t?cnicos a fazer poss?vel. Eu explicarei antes do
lan?amento a maneira usar a e as implica??es.

2) documentam as edi??es da tradu??o autom?tica e processam-nas.
Isto ? feito em ingl?s somente neste tempo e voc? pode l?-lo em
http://funredes.org/tradauto que quem quer que est? interessado na
edi??o pode encontrar a informa??o detalhada neste lugar.

3) olham ap?s alguma sustenta??o externa para real?ar a qualidade
do servi?o. No detalhe eu sou um altofalante na reuni?o seguinte de
WSIS em Bamako
http://portal.unesco.org/ci/admin/ev.php?URL_ID=17688&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201
e eu tentarei usar o assoalho sensitize sobre essa edi??o.

O primeiro n?vel do servi?o reservar? para ler dentro um ?nico URL
as tradu??es concatenadas em ingl?s, em franc?s, o espanhol e o
portugu?s. Uma maneira melhor deveria separar os diret?rios pela
l?ngua. Uma maneira mais avan?ada deveria permitir que os povos
subscrevam em uma lista paralela com a mensagem original e na
tradu??o em uma l?ngua dada. Como eu disse o custo para tais
melhorias est? na ordem de alguns milhares de USS por o ano e n?s
pensamos que ? marginal comparada aos benef?cios.

Se qualquer um tiver algumas coment?rios ou perguntas depois que
lendo http://funredes.org/tradauto me contatar por favor.



From nne75 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 12 19:24:11 2005
From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ACSIS is One !
Message-ID: <20050412182411.40622.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com>


The Africa Civil Society for the Information Society – ACSIS: 

Once upon a time ... one year ago

In the beginning was Africa, then its Africa Information Society Initiative – AISI, the powerful team at the Development Information Services Division of the Economic Commission for Africa (DISD-ECA) and the Bamako Bureau which came out of the very first Regional Preparatory Conference in preparation for the World Summit on the Information Society – WSIS.

Discussions that started in Bamako continued online with central issues in the use of Information and Communication Technology – ICT for Development. In November 2002, the online discussions led to a face to face meeting in Addis Ababa for the Civil Society stakeholders of the ICT4D. This occasion, offered by the Association for Progressive Communication - APC and the ECA, was used for training on ICT policy for the stakeholders. 

The fire had been kindled, and could no longer be quenched! Discussions on the AISI Civil Society discussion list became not only exchange but real preparations towards the WSIS. With little means, the Africa Civil Society did its best to contribute to the process and the outcome of the first phase of the WSIS. 

Through the first phase of the WSIS it was clear that there needed to be more structure, the vision needed to be clearer and the plane needed a crew. So the great opportunity offered by the summit in Geneva in 2003 could not be missed. The Africa Media village, apart from being the hottest spot in the ICT4D Platform, became a real village where all sons and daughters of the continent could come "home". By the time Geneva 2003 was over, the Africa Civil Society had a clear knowledge of the crew.

But it was in the very city of Tunis - Cartage, where the word "Africa" was born, on the 13th of April 2004 that the Africa Civil Society for the Information Society - ACSIS was launched, thanks to the support of the ECA and the hospitality of the people of Tunisia. 

Between then and now ….

ACSIS has come a long way!

Constitution, Action Plans

The Constitution of the institution is ready and discussions are ongoing for a host country. The Action Plans for 2005, 2005 – 2009 and 2005 – 2015 have been elaborated.

National, Sub-regional, Regional and International Trust and Recognition.

ACSIS has surprised the Africa Civil Society! That is the least that can be said. Who would have believed it? ACSIS has received collaboration from, among others:

   The Governments of Tunisia, Guinea, Democratic Republic of Congo, Nigeria, Ghana, and Niger 
   The Economic Commission of Africa – ECA 
   La Francophonie 
   Heinreich Boell Stiftung 
   The United Nations ICT TaskForce 
   Kofi Annan, the United Nations’ Secretary General, in the formation of the Working Group on Internet Governance 
   UNESCO 
   UNDP 
   The Digital Solidarity Fund 
   International Civil Society Bureau for the WSIS 
   The WSIS Executive Secretariat 
   The International Telecommunications Union – ITU 
   The Non-Governmental Liaison Service of the United Nations - NGLS 
   The Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the UN – CONGO 
   The Global Knowledge Partnership – GKP 
   The Association for Progressive Communications – APC 
   French National Institute of Telecommunications 
   The International Conference Volunteers 
   The United Nations Online Volunteers – UNV

In keeping with its mandate of Civil Society promotion, advocacy, lobbying, information, training, advising, partnership, networking and capacity building; ACSIS has:

   Contributed largely to the official documents of the WSIS as well as the Civil Society Declaration; 
   Contributed to a greater functioning of the international Civil Society Bureau in the WSIS process. The following Caucuses are being headed by members of ACSIS: Youth, Science and Technology, and Media; 
   Hosted the International Bureau on the African Soil, being the very first time the international bureau was meeting outside its traditional base of Geneva 
   Co-hosted the Louder Voices Symposium on Internet Governance 
   Held Online Consultations on capital issues in the use of ICT4D – Priorities, Internet Governance, and Finance; 
   Conducted a Civil Society Forum, which kick-started the Second Africa Regional Preparatory Conference in Accra in January and February 2005; 
   Organised a training Forum in Policy Processes; 
   Co-organised a Multi-stakeholder Partnership – MSP Forum in the WSIS Process; 
   Engaged in the publication of a Handbook to bring Civil Society perspectives of the WSIS process to greater light.

Accra – Tunis

The ACSIS Road Map, adopted in Accra, will offer the civil society entities the opportunity to to test their grassroots network, and harness tangible and concrete results to showcase in Tunis. It entails the organisation of five sub-regional meetings as strongly recommended by the Accra Regional meetings. They are intended to assure the largest inclusion of grassroots actors, build awareness on ICT-related issues, promote continuous creation of ideas and sharing of experiences, provide opportunities for capacity building, and work towards increased participation in organisations related to the Internet and the Information Society.

Beyond Tunis

ACSIS is looking forward to the realisation of all three Action Plans mentioned above. In so doing, the Multi-stakeholder approach is best. There is, therefore, a big job that needs to be continued on a daily basis by civil society. Only in true partnership with governments, international organisations, UN institutions and the private sector can an effective deployment of ICT4D can be achieved.

The structuring continues … until ACSIS will have its own secretariat for better co-ordination, effectiveness in action, wider development impact, stronger networking and an efficient advocacy.

2007 : Year of the Civil Society 

The call has been made before Accra, was made in Accra, was made after Accra, and is still being made to support the declaration of 2007 as the Year of the Civil Society 




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From cnd at knowprose.com  Tue Apr 12 20:31:58 2005
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
In-Reply-To: <425C078D.4080303@bertola.eu.org>
References: <s25a998c.007@gwia201.syr.edu>	<5968b6f0e630480f3a27791dea4acd06@traceynaughton.com>	<425B9346.3030201@bertola.eu.org> <m3fyxwrqfy.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org> <425C078D.4080303@bertola.eu.org>
Message-ID: <425C222E.9040007@knowprose.com>

I really wish people would stop talking about solutions and instead
implement one. This thing has been going on for months, and it's a
horrid timewaster. Civil Society is beginning to look a lot like government.

Draw up the requirements, create a FLOS project, and write it. Or buy
it. But please, let's stop the debate and *do* something. No license is
better than another without *code*.

-- 
Taran Rampersad
Presently in: Esteli, Nicaragua
cnd@knowprose.com

http://www.linuxgazette.com
http://www.a42.com
http://www.knowprose.com
http://www.easylum.net

"Criticize by creating." ? Michelangelo


From mjr at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Apr 12 20:37:32 2005
From: mjr at dsl.pipex.com (MJ Ray)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the Internet governance caucus
In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:49:59 -0400 
	<6ce9164af546273fbd2d59d76f699d1c@earthlink.net>
References: <p06210246be449ad6b51d@[156.106.217.38]> <E1DLHrW-0004gT-00@pipe.localnet> <425BBD27.70304@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <E1DLL1E-0005J1-00@pipe.localnet> <6ce9164af546273fbd2d59d76f699d1c@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E1DLRCW-0003Rt-00@pipe.localnet>

Rik Panganiban wrote:
> http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman//listinfo/workingmethods

Could you summarise the current work programme to this list or
that, please?  Like many volunteers, I am reluctant to join a
list when it is discussing things not concerning me, especially
if it has no mail size or type limits.

-- 
Thanks and best wishes,

MJR


From Mueller at syr.edu  Tue Apr 12 20:49:27 2005
From: Mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
Message-ID: <s25bee2b.026@gwia201.syr.edu>

FYI, We've been trying to "do" something. In fact, we ARE "doing" things. But we persistently meet ideological opposition. We will have an April 22 online meeting nevertheless. Watch for the announcement. 

>>> cnd@knowprose.com 4/12/2005 3:31:58 PM >>>
I really wish people would stop talking about solutions and instead
implement one. This thing has been going on for months, and it's a
horrid timewaster. Civil Society is beginning to look a lot like government.

Draw up the requirements, create a FLOS project, and write it. Or buy
it. But please, let's stop the debate and *do* something. No license is
better than another without *code*.

-- 
Taran Rampersad
Presently in: Esteli, Nicaragua
cnd@knowprose.com 

http://www.linuxgazette.com 
http://www.a42.com 
http://www.knowprose.com 
http://www.easylum.net 

"Criticize by creating." * Michelangelo

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From schock at riseup.net  Tue Apr 12 20:57:21 2005
From: schock at riseup.net (Sasha Costanza-Chock)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WIPO's Development Meeting - Day Two (April 12)
Message-ID: <425C2821.3060506@riseup.net>

[From Media Trade Monitor (www.mediatrademonitor.org)]

WIPO's development meeting started with a clear clash of positions 
opposing developed countries and non-developed countries aligned with 
the "friends of development" group. The proposal put forward by Brazil 
and Argentina and backed by 12 other countries (Bolivia, Cuba, Dominican 
Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, Iran, Kenya, Peru, Sierra Leone, South Africa, 
Tanzania and Venezuela) aims at a deep reform in WIPO's structure so as 
to take into account public interests and the needs of the non developed 
countries. The group of friends of development proposal includes 
allowing for greater flexibility of patent laws, reviewing the role and 
influence of right holders, allowing greater participation of public 
interest groups in the organization and increasing the measures for the 
transfer of technology and access to knowledge to non developed 
countries. This is the first time that the needs of non developed 
countries and public interests are seriously addressed in the WIPO.

In day two, developed countries, specially the US and the EU countries, 
have responded to the friends of development proposal by stating that 
development issues are already addressed in the WIPO by means of 
technical assistance programs and the Permanent Committee on Cooperation 
for Development. Non developed countries have responded to that by 
highlighting that technical assistance programs are not enough and that 
development issues should not be dealt in a committee but should be 
incorporated in the overall structure of the organization [...]

Full text: http://www.mediatrademonitor.org/node/view/195

From cnd at knowprose.com  Tue Apr 12 21:33:11 2005
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
In-Reply-To: <s25bee2b.026@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s25bee2b.026@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <425C3087.9020503@knowprose.com>

Milton Mueller wrote:

>FYI, We've been trying to "do" something. In fact, we ARE "doing" things. But we persistently meet ideological opposition. 
>
I'm sorry, I see ideological opposition on both sides. I'm not seeing
any progress.

>We will have an April 22 online meeting nevertheless. Watch for the announcement. 
>  
>
Good. I shall reserve comment until there is something to comment on;
that seems like the sensible thing to do.

-- 
Taran Rampersad
Presently in: Esteli, Nicaragua
cnd@knowprose.com

http://www.linuxgazette.com
http://www.a42.com
http://www.knowprose.com
http://www.easylum.net

"Criticize by creating." ? Michelangelo


From mjr at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Apr 12 22:05:31 2005
From: mjr at dsl.pipex.com (MJ Ray)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:18:05 -0300 
	<425AF79D.3070503@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
References: <s25a998c.007@gwia201.syr.edu> <425AF79D.3070503@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <E1DLSZf-00055U-00@pipe.localnet>

WJM wrote:
> I was aware of the criticism from various places of Dr. Cogburn's offer,
> which I think was unfortunate; however, now that you admit it, I
> think this action was unconscionable and demonstrates a fundamental lack
> of understanding of the priorities around activism AND of software
> development issues.

I am disappointed by WJM's and MM's failures to understand
the concerns of many activists, including large collectives
like many in indymedia. I feel that it is sadly typical of many
views of many academics in North America and Europe, where they
are willing to support a general aim (point 0), but not the
consequences (point 1) because another aim is more important
to them (point 2) and they'll sacrifice this one first. Then,
WJM considers mostly money concerns (tail of point 1, point 3
and point 4), while suggesting that only those who agree are
serious (point 4).

I may be wrong on this case, but a major concern is the number
of people who control our computation devices. That is a problem
which is often driven by the "decommoditising" effect of private
protocols and requiring everyone to use the same supplier if
they wish to participate. I do not know the specifics of this
case and no-one has given references in the recent emails.

It does look like MM wishes to either exclude from discussions,
or force people to give access to computers. It is different
from the MS/Adobe-using official web sites because it is easier
to prevent them from gaining control of our computers when
they can only get in over HTTP.  It is still a problem when
the sites are inaccessible without allowing program execution
and that's been discussed here in the past, I think.

Of course, you would expect me to sympathise with the objection,
but I think it's significant that one view can lay out reasons,
while the counter-argument is roughly "you are unrealistic".

One can dress it up in terms of avoiding obstructionism, but it
seems to be another name for ignoring other views. As long as
people are trying to force each other, progress will be slowed.

-- 
MJR/slef
http://www.affs.org.uk/~mjr/


From fheinz at vialibre.org.ar  Wed Apr 13 01:14:20 2005
From: fheinz at vialibre.org.ar (Federico Heinz)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
In-Reply-To: <425C222E.9040007@knowprose.com>
References: <s25a998c.007@gwia201.syr.edu>
	 <5968b6f0e630480f3a27791dea4acd06@traceynaughton.com>
	 <425B9346.3030201@bertola.eu.org> <m3fyxwrqfy.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org>
	 <425C078D.4080303@bertola.eu.org>  <425C222E.9040007@knowprose.com>
Message-ID: <1113351261.5721.505.camel@michelle>

On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 14:31 -0500, Taran Rampersad wrote:
> I really wish people would stop talking about solutions and instead
> implement one.

Well... if it's wishing time, I wish people would stop talking about
solutions, but rather concentrate in needs first, and only then search
for a solution.

I still have to see any evidence for the need of more sophisticated
tools for collaboration than e-mail, a wiki and maybe IRC. The folks at
Wikipedia are building an *encyclopedia* with just that, do we really
need more?

The more I read about it, the more I become convinced that the only need
involved in the whole thing is some people's desire to find some
problem, any problem, real or not, for which they can push the solutions
they already have at hand.

We are talking toys for rich people here. We are talking about moving
part of the debate from the current platform, where anybody with a
text-only terminal and a dialup connection can join in and participate
in equal conditions, to one in which the ones with broadband, lots of
memory, fast processors and webcams are priviledged.

Sad.

	Fede

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From muguet at mdpi.org  Wed Apr 13 01:51:40 2005
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Conferencing software debate
In-Reply-To: <425AF79D.3070503@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
References: <s25a998c.007@gwia201.syr.edu> <425AF79D.3070503@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <425C6D1C.6030408@mdpi.org>

Liminary note : We are talking about conferencing software,
not about collaboration software which are another class
of software ( project management, etc...).
Conferencing software is part of collaborative tools.
( collaborative =/= collaboration ). 

Dear Milton

>Francis: I don't hate you. I just think you are promoting your cause in
>a way that is divisive and counterproductive. Thanks for admitting that
>you "prevented implementation" of proposed virtual meetings by CSB. It
>is unfortunate that you chose to do this behind the scenes, without an
>open debate.

You are misinterpreting my words. 
I made my reservations known to the
members of the CSB, because I could not assist to this specific
CSB meeting because there was another meeting I was organizing or
some lobbying to be done. I regreet that I could not attend this
CSB meeting.  Latter on, I worked to make a demo of another way
to make a video conferencing using GnomeMeeting and Cocinella.
Furthermore let me stress that most of the Civil Society has been
supportive of Free Software,  and the CSB did not need me to
reach its own judgment. It is the first time ever, within all the
history of the WSIS that use of a proprietary software has
been advocated. Frankly, I am stunned. 


> But I can understand it, because it is unlikely that you
>could persuade people in an open, rational discussion of the merits.

> So
>you raised a fuss and basically scared people. 

I do not think Civil Society people at the WSIS can get easily scared. !
You make me laugh ! You have a really poor appreciation of the political 
maturity of the Civil Society. 
We are not kids !. 


>The actual outcome of
>your actions is not to promote free software, but simply to prevent
>meetings from happening. It is unfortunate that you are so focused on
>"preventing," rather than building. 
>

I am focused on preventing the worse to happen. This is correct, but
this does not forbid to offer a working
alternative solution. I have been advocating this contructive approach
within the PCT group.


>I am pursuing this debate because I think it raises a fundamental
>ethical and strategic issue, which I am willing to discuss openly and
>calmly. 

Glad to hear. 

>Below I make the following arguments:
>1. There is no acceptable open source substitute for the tool we are
>using

Very respectfully, I think this argument is not correct.
You are not an expert in this field and/or you are not relying
on an independent technical study. 
They are other alternatives Free Software solutions that
can be evaluated. see 
http://www.wsis-pct.org/virtual-conf-tools.html
 I advocated the formation of a task force
within the PCT group to make such an evaluation.
You are free to join this task force.


>2. A preference for free software does not mean that one should
>actively prevent any uses of proprietary software when #1 is true

Correct in principle, but not always,
often the implementation of a Free Software
substitute is prevented by secrecy ( trade secrets ) or software patents.
In that case, it would be recommended not to use such software, because
by using it, one becomes the silent accomplice of a bad practise that
could spread.
 


>3. If you believe in total purity of software use, then to be
>consistent you should work hard to prevent use of the ITU and WSIS
>websites; 

The ITU and WSIS websites are using HTML XML which is a W3C Open Standard.
They are using PDF, an open proprietary format which is OK with me.
They are using DOC also which is a secret format, I regreet it.
OpenOffice is now able to read ( through time-consuming reverse
engineering ) most of the doc format. 


>since you don't, your focus on preventing use of Derricks'
>conferencing platform is misplaced.

There a big difference between the ITU and the Civil Society.
I hope the Civil Society is not going to act like ITU. !

Furthermore I am not against the use of a proprietary software
provided it can interact with a free software 
( eg GnomeMeeting interacting with NetMeeting )


>1.
>I said: >> Cogburn uses it because it is the best available tool and
>there are no open source substitutes.
>
> You said: >I do not agree with this technical analysis. In fact, I
>
>presented at PrepCom2 another solution based on GnomeMeeting
>
>Gnome meeting does not have the "same" functionality. It supports
>mostly person to person audio and video conversations (there are
>numerous applications that do this already).  It doesn't have
>presentation slides, white boards, 

correct, this is why my ad hoc proposal was complemented with Coccinella.
I agree this ad hoc solution is not complete with all the neat features
offered by Marratech or Elliminate.
But there are packaged free software solutions that do exist and
need to be evaluated.

>mark-up capabilities, discussion
>control, break-out rooms, etc. 

Anyway if a FreeSoftware solution does allow a decent Web Conferencing,
it is fine. Do we need all the features and gimmicks ?
Are we businessmen ( women ) ? 


> Commercial webconferencing applications
>can support as many people as  licences available (i.e., we can have up
>to 40 people in simultaneous sessions 

P2P web conferencing can break theoretically this barrier 
( Hope jSummit can work ) 


>in our virtual conference center;
>and could have more with more resources). The client is free to download
>and use; Derrick's Center has covered all the costs.

It is a very kind offer, but not without string attached. 
It means that only Syracuse University in their
center using their own server would control the virtual conferencing
system of the Civil Society. 
For Marratech for example, the virtual auditorum license 
"licence for life" is 10.625,00 Euros 
and 4.400,00 Euros for a yearly license.
People must realize if the clients are "free" ( but not "free software" ),
the server is quite costly, and only rich institutions can
afford them.  


> 
>Gnome meeting does not appear to work on Mac (which accounts for about
>10% of the people in CS). Derrick's solution works with Windows, Mac and
>Linux. So who is excluding people, you or us? Finally, the soution you
>propose is extremely complicated to download and install.

This was not the final solution that I am proposing. 
There are other that shall be examined too.
You are welcome to try and evaluate them yourself. 

> Nominal
>inclusion of features for the disabled is meaningless

This, I would leave the disability caucus to determine.


>The simple fact is that the best available solution for online virtual
>collaboration right now is the tool Derrick is using. If there were a
>free software tool we could use that did the same things, with as much
>cross-platform capability, we would love to use it, and we would use it.

Good to hear.  Then evaluate and try Jsummit, Arsenal <http://arsenalproject.org/> and Rendez-Vous <http://rendezvous.sourceforge.net/>

>
>2. 
>If indeed Derrick's chosen solution is the best for the job, then why
>not use it until Gnome meeting or other FS solutions get more real?

This is good point. I am simply afraid that people would get used
to it, like people becomes used to Windows.
Please note that I am not a religious zealot and I did participate
to one of the web conference, but it was for "evaluation purposes".


> To
>you, apparently, it is a kind of moral choice, which is why I accuse you
>of having a religion about this. But remember that Derrick is not a
>vendor promoting a solution for his own profit, he is just trying to
>make virtual collaboration possible. By attacking him you do not change
>the software industry. To prevent use of viable alternatives at any cost
>seems to be irrational to me.
>
>3. 
>As indicated in my first message on this topic, I also question the
>selective nature of your objections. 

This is not my own personnal objections, there is a vast community
of people supporting Free Software. My only worry is not to betray
them.


>You seem to have no sense of what
>is strategically important,

This is the main point of the discussion :
what is the most important : let the WSIS Civil Society 
have video conferencing with all
kind of gadgets 
or let the Civil Society set an example by choosing the right
kind of software paradigm that the Civil Society is advocating
for sustainable development.
I prefer Free Software conferencing with less
features. 
I leave for this for your conscience :
  gadgets for the richs  against sustainable developement


>or ease up on Derrick. 

I hope that Derrick is going to decide where his conscience lies.


-----------------


Dear Dr. McIver

>
> Dr. Muguet,
>
> I was aware of the criticism from various places of Dr. Cogburn's 
> offer, which
> I think was unfortunate; however, now that you admit it, I
> think this action was unconscionable and demonstrates a fundamental lack
> of understanding of the priorities around activism AND of software 
> development issues.
>
>
> 0. I don't think anyone here is against the idea of using solutions that
>    are universally inclusive.

OK, good

>
> 1. The class of software of which we speak is complex and costly to 
> implement
>    relative to almost all but the open source kernels that *some* WSIS 
> activists use.
>    Thus, it is not surprising that equivalent free or shareware 
> versions are not yet available.
>    Even if this were not the case,


> your actions were inexcusable given (3) and (4) below.
>
If a Free Software solution is available then there is should be no excuse
to use an non-interoperable proprietary ones.
Let me explain to you further. I investigated in details if it was 
possible to
write software that could be interoperable with Maratech.
It is not possible, because the voice stream is covered by a software patent
belonging to another company.

> 2. Given (1), our more immediate priority was/is that of creating 
> spaces where effective
>    work can be done.

First, I wonder if there has been some debate during PrepComs and on the 
WSIS list to decide
whether web conferencing gadgetry  was required to  do effective work.
Some people are saying that the web conferencing tools are unecessary 
gadgets, and
cannot be used in developing countries.
Despite this concern, since I believe in progress, I would recommend 
that web conferencing
should be used, but not without utmost precautions, and certainly not in 
a way that would prevent
anyone except the wealthy ones to have their own  web conferencing server.
 

>
> 3. The solution offered by Dr. Cogburn **did**, as I recall, include 
> free access to
>    the client software.

The client is "free" but it not "free software" ( GPL like license )

>
> 4. Further, the client software had ports to Linux, Mac, and Windows 
> and the server
>     hosting costs were to be borne by Syracuse and Dr. Cogburn without 
> any explicit product endorsements.
>     What more could any serious activist ask for given (1)?
>
This is another serious matter.
I would expect a serious activist not to react like a man in the street, 
and therefore
some technical expertise can be required from a serious activist to 
implement the
politically correct solution.
I would say that this comes with the badge.
If you are a *serious activist* working at a World Summit of the 
Information Society,
then you should strive to have a minimal technical knowledge of how this
Information Society works.
I am not casting a shadow of outrage at those who are not familiar with
computers, but simply ask them to make their best efforts to overcome the
digital divide that exists inside the Civil Society.

It this little effort too much to ask ?

It would be unwise to take this lack of knowledge as
an argument to propose proprietary solutions and therefore to increase
further our inner Digital Divide.

The Digital Divide is among us, and we must choose the right tools
to bridge it.

Best regards

Francis


-- 

------------------------------------------------------ 
Francis F. MUGUET Ph.D 

MDPI Foundation Open Access Journals
Associate Publisher
http://www.mdpi.org   http://www.mdpi.net
muguet@mdpi.org       muguet@mdpi.net

ENSTA   Paris, France
KNIS lab.  Director 
"Knowledge Networks & Information Society" (KNIS)
muguet@ensta.fr   http://www.ensta.fr/~muguet

World Summit On the Information Society (WSIS)
Civil Society Working Groups
Scientific Information :  http://www.wsis-si.org  chair
Patents & Copyrights   :  http://www.wsis-pct.org co-chair
Financing Mechanismns  :  http://www.wsis-finance.org web

UNMSP project : http://www.unmsp.org
WTIS initiative: http://www.wtis.org
------------------------------------------------------ 


From cnd at knowprose.com  Wed Apr 13 03:43:04 2005
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
In-Reply-To: <1113351261.5721.505.camel@michelle>
References: <s25a998c.007@gwia201.syr.edu>	 <5968b6f0e630480f3a27791dea4acd06@traceynaughton.com>	 <425B9346.3030201@bertola.eu.org> <m3fyxwrqfy.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org>	 <425C078D.4080303@bertola.eu.org>  <425C222E.9040007@knowprose.com> <1113351261.5721.505.camel@michelle>
Message-ID: <425C8738.6040404@knowprose.com>

Federico Heinz wrote:

>On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 14:31 -0500, Taran Rampersad wrote:
>  
>
>>I really wish people would stop talking about solutions and instead
>>implement one.
>>    
>>
>
>Well... if it's wishing time, I wish people would stop talking about
>solutions, but rather concentrate in needs first, and only then search
>for a solution.
>  
>
Rapid prototyping is what FLOS was built on. Why is it not happening in
this context? It seems to me that this would be a good way to
demonstrate the practical benefits of FLOS instead of having the same
discussion for *months*.

While I myself have asked for the same requirements that you speak of,
the sad truth of the matter is that nobody will really know what works
until they start from a prototype, analyze what is required from there,
and move on.

This is not a policy issue. This is an action item that has been
implicit. If I had the time, and the funding of a large organization, I
would probably have done at least one prototype by now. Further, I have
not seen this raised as an issue outside of the hallowed grounds of
these mailing lists, which makes me think of the transparency - or lack
of it - that the notable few within the Civil Society plenary have
discussed and tried to correct through weblogs and so forth.

Because I am busy, I have sat down and read all of these things with
increasing chagrin, and have finally been unable to stand it anymore.
Everyone with an agenda seems so determined on winning that they fail to
see that everyone wins if there is at least a prototype. Francis Muguet
says he has used a working prototype. So the next intuitive step is to
make it technically better. If people have problems with it, they should
say something.

Like it or not, we have to get things done despite agendas. While some
are busy being uncompromising - on both sides - the problems aren't
being solved. It's like watching politicians in a developing country. It
was RMS who said (paraphrased) that, "People get the government they
deserve. They deserve better than that." (original quote possibly from
Benjamin Franklin).

I think both sides need to realize that people deserve timely solutions,
not two sided monologues.

-- 
Taran Rampersad
Presently in: Esteli, Nicaragua
cnd@knowprose.com

http://www.linuxgazette.com
http://www.a42.com
http://www.knowprose.com
http://www.easylum.net

"Criticize by creating." ? Michelangelo


From tomvest at comcast.net  Sun Apr 10 20:22:30 2005
From: tomvest at comcast.net (Tom Vest)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [governance] Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ICANN/ITU "legitimacy"
In-Reply-To: <s2593209.033@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s2593209.033@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <6417ea9129918ffdce63facb455bb641@comcast.net>

On Apr 10, 2005, at 2:02 PM, Milton Mueller wrote:

> Second, ICANN's WHOIS data requirements are designed to sacrifice
> legitimate privacy rights regarding personal contact data in order to
> make it possible for law enforcement, trademark and copyright lawyers 
> to
> engage in surveillance. This is mostly a violation of privacy, but as 
> we
> know privacy violations can have a chilling effect on speech.

Hi Milton,

This doesn't strike me as a defensible analogy. WHOIS requirements 
don't apply to Internet users; they apply to Internet *producers*, 
i.e., entities that wish to participate in and add to the Internet's 
physical and logical architecture. The fact that some producers are 
sole proprietors (many of whom outsource all of the actual 
infrastructure requirements to a third party) shouldn't earn them a 
complete pass, and shouldn't obscure this basic functional distinction.

It seems to that linking speech to identity is only problematic in 
jurisdictions where speech is not valued AND means of expression are 
strictly controlled. Where freedom of speech is valued, speaking "for 
attribution" should be taken as the main case, and anonymous speech the 
exception. Absent tight controls on means, there are ample mechanisms 
for speaking "without attribution"  that don't require the wholesale 
anonymization of the Internet.

I'm not a lawyer, but my cursory reading of US legal precedents 
suggests that sole proprietorships don't enjoy privacy rights that 
trump requirements to originate legal documents. Why should the 
Internet be different?

Regards,

Tom Vest, PCH




From tvest at pch.net  Sun Apr 10 20:35:09 2005
From: tvest at pch.net (Tom Vest)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [governance] Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ICANN/ITU "legitimacy"
In-Reply-To: <s2593209.033@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s2593209.033@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <b26186840947ca3c7c223bbce716b635@pch.net>

On Apr 10, 2005, at 2:02 PM, Milton Mueller wrote:

> Second, ICANN's WHOIS data requirements are designed to sacrifice
> legitimate privacy rights regarding personal contact data in order to
> make it possible for law enforcement, trademark and copyright lawyers 
> to
> engage in surveillance. This is mostly a violation of privacy, but as 
> we
> know privacy violations can have a chilling effect on speech.

Hi Milton,

This doesn't strike me as a defensible analogy. WHOIS requirements 
don't apply to Internet users; they apply to Internet *producers*, 
i.e., entities that wish to participate in and add to the Internet's 
physical and logical architecture. The fact that some producers are 
sole proprietors (many of whom outsource all of the actual 
infrastructure requirements to a third party) shouldn't earn them a 
complete pass, and shouldn't obscure this basic functional distinction.

It seems to that linking speech to identity is only problematic in 
jurisdictions where speech is not valued AND means of expression are 
strictly controlled. Where freedom of speech is valued, speaking "for 
attribution" should be taken as the main case, and anonymous speech the 
exception. Absent tight controls on means, there are ample mechanisms 
for speaking "without attribution"  that don't require the wholesale 
anonymization of the Internet.

I'm not a lawyer, but my cursory reading of US legal precedents 
suggests that sole proprietorships don't enjoy privacy rights that 
trump requirements to originate legal documents. Why should the 
Internet be different?

Regards,

Tom Vest, PCH


From dogwallah at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 07:00:25 2005
From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [governance] Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ICANN/ITU "legitimacy"
In-Reply-To: <s259cae4.099@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s259cae4.099@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <f65fb55e0504102300266c673b@mail.gmail.com>

On Apr 11, 2005 7:54 AM, Milton Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:

> 
> Whois access to personal contact data did not get created because of
> any alleged obligations of "producers" - it came into being by accident,

I believe there was an actual purpose behind it. the WHOIS protocol
applies to Internet Protocol resources as well as domain registration.

Public Network Infromation DBs were created so that network operators
could contact other network operators in case of trouble (outage) or
abuse.

On the domain registry side, WHOIS allows domain registrants to be
contactable in case of outage or abuse. This is the point of WHOIS. It
wasn't an accident.  You can't blame the techies for the explosive
popularity of Internetworking.

> telephone company is. It's crazy. You can get an unlisted phone number
> for your home. Why can't you get a domain name for home use without
> publishing your private contact data?

Well, you can, you just have to lie ;-)

Seriously though, in terms of RIR WHOIS there is some work going on in
The ARIN, RIPE and APNIC regions that would allow different levels of
personal data to be visible in WHOIS.

As I said above though, what happens if I get a flood of SPAM from
user@domain?  How can I alert the domain holder or his/her network
operator that one of their boxes is "owned" by a spammer.  "owned" in
this case could be actual physical ownership/Trojaned/whatever.

The CRISP protocol  (next generation of WHOIS)  also will allow for
greater privacy flexibilty.  That work is ongoing as well.

(snip)

> Turn this around, and you will understand better what the real whois
> debate is about. WHOIS as currently structured requires a domain name
> registrant to provide their home telephone number and address to ANY
> anonymous user of the Internet. When your whois record is viewed, there
> is no record, you don't know who did it, what the reason for viewing it
> was, or what they are going to do with it. Isn't it illogical for you to
> attack anonymous expression, while supporting anonymous and wholesale
> access to private contact data? If anonymous speech can be abused, can't
> anonymous access to personal contact data?

Of course, and it is, no argument there!

> 
> And have you forgotten that there are ample mechanisms for acquiring
> information about Internet users for legitimate law enforcement purposes
> without making that information available to every spammer, identity
> thief, stalker, information harvester or curious person in the world?

Is there an ample mechanism for network operators to contact others in
case of abuse or trouble?  Certainly, it is called WHOIS!

Does the public benefit outweigh the possible downside to publication.
 IMHO, it probably does.


Cheers,

McTim

nic-hdl:      TMCG

From tvest at pch.net  Mon Apr 11 18:38:49 2005
From: tvest at pch.net (Tom Vest)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [governance] Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ICANN/ITU "legitimacy"
In-Reply-To: <1113223044.4241.75.camel@croce.dyf.it>
References: <s259cae4.000@gwia201.syr.edu> <1113223044.4241.75.camel@croce.dyf.it>
Message-ID: <521989f4342f3c1471c3dc5ab54e381d@pch.net>

On Apr 11, 2005, at 8:37 AM, Vittorio Bertola wrote:

> Creating a distinction between "producers" and "users" is exactly the
> way to destroy the Internet, push individuals out of control over what
> happens on the net, and restore centralized control by a few big
> entities (be them governments, State-owned industries, private
> corporations or whatever, it doesn't make much of a difference).

Countries: 240 +/-
   -- a few big, a larger number of small

Independent Networks (ASNs): 19,300 +/- 5,000 (components of multi-ASN 
ARDs)
   -- a few big, a vastly larger number of small

Two orders of magnitude seems like a big difference to me.

All things remaining equal (IP policy era, years online, telecom 
infrastructure, GDP, etc.), the more ISPs are associated with a given 
country, the more Internet resources (users + usage + uses) are 
associated with that country. In other words, a country with only x 
networks will have fewer Internet resources relative to its (IP policy 
era, years online, telecom infrastructure, GDP, etc.), compared to a 
country with (x+n) networks. This model is an especially good predictor 
of the distribution of Internet resources for the 63-64 countries that 
came online after 1997, during the same basic IP policy era.

So, it seems to me that having more producers results in having more 
Internet resources (users + usage + uses).

But perhaps this is irrelevant to the aims of Internet governance?

Tom Vest, PCH
  


From dcogburn at syr.edu  Tue Apr 12 12:44:31 2005
From: dcogburn at syr.edu (Derrick L.Cogburn)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
In-Reply-To: <5968b6f0e630480f3a27791dea4acd06@traceynaughton.com>
References: <s25a998c.007@gwia201.syr.edu> <5968b6f0e630480f3a27791dea4acd06@traceynaughton.com>
Message-ID: <1722de2d47554d9722b135a63eb34ca2@syr.edu>

Tracey,

I have promised myself to stay out of these discussions, but again, a 
comment has drawn me out.  Surely the deciding factor could not have 
been the linguistic/translation issues.  As you know, I had already 
promised to take up the offer from ICV who provided simultaneous and 
sequential translation for the Cape Town meeting that we would explore 
how to provide translation in an online session (in fact, I was quite 
excited about confronting this challenge).  The translators were also 
excited about this possibility and I clearly articulated that we would 
be exploring immediately how to handle this.  I also provided examples 
of how I have handled the "disability" issue in some of my advanced 
graduate seminars, where we have had, for example, deaf students 
participate actively using this type of software.  Also, everyone 
should know that I tried for over a year, expending my own resources, 
to try to assist both the CS in general, and the CSB in particular with 
its distributed collaboration practices.  My first proposal was to the 
CSB at PrepCom III for WSIS Geneva.  Since that time, I believe that I 
addressed every issue/challenge, save one, raised by the participants.  
If that remaining issue could be addressed at this time, I would.

Cheers,
Derrick

Derrick L. Cogburn, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
School of Information Studies
and Senior Research Associate
Moynihan Institute of Global Affairs
Maxwell School of Citizenship & Public Affairs
Syracuse University
311 Hinds Hall
Syracuse, NY 13244-4100
Phone: +1.315.443.5441
Fax: +1.315.443.6886
http://cotelco.net/~dcogburn
http://istweb.syr.edu/~dcogburn
http://cove.cotelco.net


On Apr 11, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Tracey Naughton wrote:

> Milton
>
> For clarification purposes, the main reason the CSB decided not to use 
> the collaboration tool for on-line meetings, is linguistic. Whilst 
> there were other issues, if this barrier did not exist I believe that 
> most of the CSB would willingly use the tool. Perhaps you could deploy 
> some of your time in developing a translation solution.
>
> regards
>
> Tracey Naughton
>
>
> Tracey Naughton
> NYAKA
> Communication for Development Consultant
> 201 Somerset hall
> 239 Oxford Road
> Illovo     2196
> South Africa
>
>


From profjakes at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 12 16:45:55 2005
From: profjakes at yahoo.com (jake odame)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] I want to attend the conference
Message-ID: <20050412154555.15720.qmail@web41410.mail.yahoo.com>

I received the invitation since I am a member of the
WSIS youth caucus. I am a student of the University of
Ghana computer Science department in Ghana, West
Africa.I attended the prep conference held in Ghana
early february. I will be very happy if you can
sponsor me to attend this conference so that I can
Increase My ICT knowledge for Effective Sharing.
 Counting on your co-operation.
Yours faithfully,
Jacob Baiden Odame
Department of computer science
University of Ghana


		
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From atanu.garai at oneworld.net  Wed Apr 13 06:27:08 2005
From: atanu.garai at oneworld.net (Atanu Garai)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] open access versus open content
In-Reply-To: <20050408082706.20E9D14B62F@mail.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <GFEDKBEIKFFCGKADJIGFGEMCFOAA.atanu.garai@oneworld.net>

sorry for late replying to this thread.
i guess this discussion would be extremely fruitful if we can raise this
issue in the upcoming wgig meeting. apparently there is no issue paper on
this - so we need to know how to proceed further in this regard.

atanu

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of Parminder
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:57 PM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] open access versus open content




Dear Atanu,

Yes, I agree that the open content paradigm is a better construct than open
access, and will include the later.

The Geneva POA fails to address this issue, and most discussions on this
list also seem to skirt it.

Open access is a knowledge sharing/transfer paradigm for those who already
are engaged substantially with such processes.

As you rightly point out >>> open access which currently refers to
academic/ scientific publishing >>>

But there is a very vast number of people, whom development discourses are
meant to address most, who do not at present engage in any substantial
manner with civilisational knowledge sharing/transfer processes at levels
beyond narrow geographical and cultural confines.

We do not at present speak much about the legal/IPR/free-access issues for
knowledge needs of these people because there just aren't any effective
processes and conduits for knowledge sharing/transfer for them at present.
Print-literacy as a technology had a great impact, but the limitations are
as glaring.

However, new ICTs promise to lay down a technological infrastructure for
unlimited knowledge sharing/transfer even for these people. Immediately
then, the issue of legal free access to the needed content for these people
becomes the central question.

A field project that we are putting up for digital audio-visual content for
poor rural women in India is already running into the problem of sourcing
digital developmental content. Even agencies working for development -
including government agencies - often do not understand the need of,  or a
IP regime paradigm for, freely copying development content that in any case
is made with the purpose to reach as many people in need as possible.

An open content paradigm for development content is as much or more of a
pressing need as the open access paradigm, as it is currently understood and
applied.

Regards

Parminder











______________________________________
Parminder Jeet Singh
IT for Change, Bangalore
Bridging Development Realities and Technological Possibilities
www.ITforChange.net
Ph: 91 80 2665 4134
Mobile: 91 98 4594 9445

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Sent: 08 April 2005 10:34
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITU and open access recommendations of WSIS

It seems that the issue of open content (I would prefer the term open
content as it is broader in scope than open access which currently refers to
academic/ scientific publishing. Open access is now practiced more or less
in scientific information only - for instance D-Space instances of MIT) can
be mapped within the WGIG issues basket (content?). despite of the great
advocacy efforts of the open access communities, the message has not been
translated into WSIS policy.

/Atanu

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of karen banks
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 1:15 PM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITU and open access recommendations of
WSIS


dear parminder and all

I agree with you that ITU's case needs to be reviewed. Most of the UN
>organisations have book sale facilities, but at the same time, unlike ITU,
a
>good amount of the titles are made available through websites as well,
>typical example UNESCO and World Bank. If we have to implement the POA
text,
>ITU should open its repository of knowledge.

i'm interested in this particularly at the moment as the WGIG is finalising
the 'assessment' papers of existing governance mechanisms in respect the
'basket' of issues identified as important in the governance landscape.

there is one section on content accessibility and i would really appreciate
more/additional factual comments as regards the extent to which
organisations - particularly UN agencies, make their content available, and
under what circumstances - but also, interested in government policies that
promote open access models..

would need this pretty quickly though.. and, the info needs to be as brief
and succinct as possible..

karen


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From peter.armstrong at oneworld.net  Wed Apr 13 07:17:10 2005
From: peter.armstrong at oneworld.net (Peter Armstrong)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] open access versus open content
In-Reply-To: <GFEDKBEIKFFCGKADJIGFGEMCFOAA.atanu.garai@oneworld.net>
References: <GFEDKBEIKFFCGKADJIGFGEMCFOAA.atanu.garai@oneworld.net>
Message-ID: <1113373030.425cb96665922@your.oneworld.net>

if it helps, we would be happy to share the experience of the Open Knowledge 
Network, which has been slowly growing over the past three years and is now 
working in Kenya, Tanzania, Senegal, Zimbabwe, Mali, Uganda, India and Sri 
Lanka. 

In brief the idea is to find ways of sharing local knowledge in local languages 
using offline working and p2p file sharing rather than web publishing. The aim 
is to counter the trend to privatise knowledge by offering an open content 
alternative for knowledge sharing. Many organisations are co-operating in this 
approach and you can find more information at www.openknowledge.net.

Cheers, Peter.


Quoting Atanu Garai <atanu.garai@oneworld.net>:

> sorry for late replying to this thread.
> i guess this discussion would be extremely fruitful if we can raise this
> issue in the upcoming wgig meeting. apparently there is no issue paper on
> this - so we need to know how to proceed further in this regard.
> 
> atanu
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> Behalf Of Parminder
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:57 PM
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] open access versus open content
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Atanu,
> 
> Yes, I agree that the open content paradigm is a better construct than open
> access, and will include the later.
> 
> The Geneva POA fails to address this issue, and most discussions on this
> list also seem to skirt it.
> 
> Open access is a knowledge sharing/transfer paradigm for those who already
> are engaged substantially with such processes.
> 
> As you rightly point out >>> open access which currently refers to
> academic/ scientific publishing >>>
> 
> But there is a very vast number of people, whom development discourses are
> meant to address most, who do not at present engage in any substantial
> manner with civilisational knowledge sharing/transfer processes at levels
> beyond narrow geographical and cultural confines.
> 
> We do not at present speak much about the legal/IPR/free-access issues for
> knowledge needs of these people because there just aren't any effective
> processes and conduits for knowledge sharing/transfer for them at present.
> Print-literacy as a technology had a great impact, but the limitations are
> as glaring.
> 
> However, new ICTs promise to lay down a technological infrastructure for
> unlimited knowledge sharing/transfer even for these people. Immediately
> then, the issue of legal free access to the needed content for these people
> becomes the central question.
> 
> A field project that we are putting up for digital audio-visual content for
> poor rural women in India is already running into the problem of sourcing
> digital developmental content. Even agencies working for development -
> including government agencies - often do not understand the need of,  or a
> IP regime paradigm for, freely copying development content that in any case
> is made with the purpose to reach as many people in need as possible.
> 
> An open content paradigm for development content is as much or more of a
> pressing need as the open access paradigm, as it is currently understood and
> applied.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Parminder
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________
> Parminder Jeet Singh
> IT for Change, Bangalore
> Bridging Development Realities and Technological Possibilities
> www.ITforChange.net
> Ph: 91 80 2665 4134
> Mobile: 91 98 4594 9445
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On Behalf
> Of Atanu Garai
> Sent: 08 April 2005 10:34
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITU and open access recommendations of WSIS
> 
> It seems that the issue of open content (I would prefer the term open
> content as it is broader in scope than open access which currently refers to
> academic/ scientific publishing. Open access is now practiced more or less
> in scientific information only - for instance D-Space instances of MIT) can
> be mapped within the WGIG issues basket (content?). despite of the great
> advocacy efforts of the open access communities, the message has not been
> translated into WSIS policy.
> 
> /Atanu
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> Behalf Of karen banks
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 1:15 PM
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ITU and open access recommendations of
> WSIS
> 
> 
> dear parminder and all
> 
> I agree with you that ITU's case needs to be reviewed. Most of the UN
> >organisations have book sale facilities, but at the same time, unlike ITU,
> a
> >good amount of the titles are made available through websites as well,
> >typical example UNESCO and World Bank. If we have to implement the POA
> text,
> >ITU should open its repository of knowledge.
> 
> i'm interested in this particularly at the moment as the WGIG is finalising
> the 'assessment' papers of existing governance mechanisms in respect the
> 'basket' of issues identified as important in the governance landscape.
> 
> there is one section on content accessibility and i would really appreciate
> more/additional factual comments as regards the extent to which
> organisations - particularly UN agencies, make their content available, and
> under what circumstances - but also, interested in government policies that
> promote open access models..
> 
> would need this pretty quickly though.. and, the info needs to be as brief
> and succinct as possible..
> 
> karen
> 
> 
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From karenb at gn.apc.org  Wed Apr 13 11:33:58 2005
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG and open access versus open content
In-Reply-To: <GFEDKBEIKFFCGKADJIGFGEMCFOAA.atanu.garai@oneworld.net>
References: <20050408082706.20E9D14B62F@mail.gn.apc.org>
 <GFEDKBEIKFFCGKADJIGFGEMCFOAA.atanu.garai@oneworld.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050413112823.02303eb0@pop.gn.apc.org>

dear atanu and all

some of you may be aware that the next round of WGIG papers 'assessment of 
existing governance mechanisms' - are being put online as we speak

the papers are here: http://www.wgig.org/meeting-april.html

you are right that there was no 'issue' paper on content - but, 
accessibility of content, cultural and linguistic diversity etc.. will be 
covered (at least in part) in the 'development cluster' assessment 
papers..  they are not complete yet, but hope they will be available for 
public comment in a matter of days (on this note,

i have tried to reflect some of the points raised in the list this past 2 
weeks or so, in the papers i'm working on..)

karen



From greve at fsfeurope.org  Wed Apr 13 12:05:01 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
In-Reply-To: <425C078D.4080303@bertola.eu.org> (Vittorio Bertola's message of
	"Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:38:21 +0200")
References: <s25a998c.007@gwia201.syr.edu>
	<5968b6f0e630480f3a27791dea4acd06@traceynaughton.com>
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 || On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:38:21 +0200
 || Vittorio Bertola <vb@bertola.eu.org> wrote: 

 vb> Uhm... where exactly did I say that I disagree or that, if I did,
 vb> I would do so because I despise ideological reasons?

I am sorry if I misunderstood you.

Indeed I had the impression that you felt it a sensible activity to
start using proprietary software for video conferencing. Thank you for
clarifying that you indeed did not mean to express that opinion.


 vb> I think that no one disagrees with the idea that you should
 vb> practice what you preach. I think that some people just think
 vb> that, while you build your perfect world in which all your
 vb> principles will be reflected, you have to accept some compromises
 vb> when the deviation in practice from the principles is neglectible
 vb> in comparison to the advantage that is got by such deviation.

That is why I was asking whether exclusion of people using Free
Software and those from the South was considered an acceptable
compromise for which the benefits outweigh the costs.

Regards,
Georg

-- 
Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
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From ecarll at optonline.net  Wed Apr 13 14:55:16 2005
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Program on Media Matters and Well-being
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FYI, if you will be in NYC tomorrow.



> The NGO Committee on Mental Health
> (Conference of Non-Governmental Organizations (CONGO) in Consultative
> Status with the United Nations Economic and Social Council)
>  In co-sponsorship with the CCC/UN
>  presents
> _____________________________________________________
> Media Matters:
> Promoting Psychological Well-Being on a Global Scale
> ______________________________________________________
> 
> This special program will explore the application and best practices for
> using news media and newer information and communication technology (ICT),
> such as the Internet, for supporting mental health and psychological
> well-being and promoting resilience in the wake of violence, war,
> disaster, and illness. 
>  
> Thursday, April 14, 2005, 2:00-4:00 p.m.
> UN Church Center
> 777 UN Plaza 
> (44th Street and First Ave. across from UN)
> Room 10H - 10th Floor
> New York City, NY 
> Moderator:                                                      
>  
> Elizabeth Carll, PhD
> 	UN Representative, International Society For Traumatic Stress
> Studies; Convenor, Working Group on Media/ICT, NGO Committee on Mental
> Health; Licensed Psychologist, Private Practice/Organizational Consulting,
> Long Island, NY
>  
> Participants:
>  
> H.E. Khunying Laxanachantorn Laohaphan - Keynote Presentation
> Ambassador and Permanent Representative
> Mission of Thailand to the United Nations
> 
> Dhiman Deb Chowdhury 
> Founder & President
> Human Rights Congress for Bangladesh Minorities (HRCBM) 
> 
> Jamie Talan 
> Health and Science Reporter
> Newsday
> 
> Richard Alderslade, MD - Discussant
> Senior External Relations Officer for Health Policy
> World Health Organization
> 
> Group Discussion - Audience Q & A
> 
> Program Planning Committee of Media/ICT Working Group:  Elizabeth Carll,
> PhD - NGO CMH, ISTSS, CCC/UN; Daniel Miller, PhD - NGO CMH, ASP; Linda
> Misek-Falkoff, PhD JD - NGO CMH, CCC/UN, PWPI; Jan Wetzel, PhD - NGO CMH,
> IASSW.  For more information Contact Dr. Carll at 631-754-2424 or email
> ecarll@optonline.net <mailto:ecarll@optonline,net>
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From Mueller at syr.edu  Wed Apr 13 16:07:07 2005
From: Mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
Message-ID: <s25cfdf8.067@gwia201.syr.edu>

>>> fheinz@vialibre.org.ar 4/12/2005 8:14:20 PM >>>
>The more I read about it, the more I become convinced that the only
need
>involved in the whole thing is some people's desire to find some
>problem, any problem, real or not, for which they can push the
solutions
>they already have at hand.

We are not pushing softeware solution, we are trying to hold meetings
for real-time discussion. The alternative is US$2000 per person in
travel and lodging costs. Which is better?

I understand Taran Rampersad's frustration, but I don't understand why
he put us in the same boat with the obstructionists. Saying that we
should not hold meetings now, but instead start working on protocols,
doesn't make sense to me. This is not the time to be forming task forces
for the evaluation of software. This is a critical time in the
development of Internet Governance policy. 

The WGIG is on a fixed schedule and must develop a report by July. We
do need real time meetings. I do agree that those who refuse to use the
particular tool we have available should develop protocols of their own,
form task forces for evaluation, etc. But I am interested in holding
meetings now. So are many others.

>We are talking toys for rich people here. We are talking about moving
>part of the debate from the current platform, where anybody with a
>text-only terminal and a dialup connection can join in and
participate
>in equal conditions, to one in which the ones with broadband, lots of
>memory, fast processors and webcams are priviledged.

Nonsense. The virtue of the software we are trying to use is that it
allows anyone with a terminal and dialup connection to participate.
There is no need for and no use of webcams - get your facts straight,
please! The PROBLEM with what you call "the current platform" (email) is
that it does not allow for synchronous communication. Anyone who has
spent years collaborating and working online via asynchronous email 
lists should know that they do NOT facilitate agreement and consensus,
and that it is very difficult to reach even a common understanding of
complex issues with many alternatives. The confusions we have
experienced over procedures and statements is proof of that.

Let me also take up Francis' fear that by using this software now we
will become stuck in it, "like MS Windows." No, that is notpossible.
First, it is an application, not an operating system, so it is easy to
switch if a F/OS solution becomes available and workable. The software
is also extremely expensive on our side (still free on the client side)
so there are strong incentives to switch.

This is my last post on this thread, I think the positions are clear
and others can make up their own mind. 

--MM


From fheinz at vialibre.org.ar  Wed Apr 13 17:31:14 2005
From: fheinz at vialibre.org.ar (Federico Heinz)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
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On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 21:43 -0500, Taran Rampersad wrote:
> [lots of stuff about "rapid prototyping" and "requirements"]

All of this is irrelevant to my point that conferencing tools may be
"cool" but hardly necessary, and in fact preclude the participation of
people without broadband access and fast computers. If people want to
play with fancy expensive toys, by all means, go ahead and do it. Just
don't move part of the debate to it, because you are preventing others
from participating.

> Like it or not, we have to get things done despite agendas. While some
> are busy being uncompromising - on both sides - the problems aren't
> being solved.

Exactly which *problem* is not being solved? Where is the *need*?

The Internet itself was built with text-based communications. The whole
body of free software was built using not more than text-based
communications. Is what we are attempting to do here so much more
complex that it can't be done in a well-tested, time-proven way that is
much more widely available than the proposed alternative?

I understand the WGIG used this kind of tools, and had several
face-to-face meetings... and nonetheless the quality of its output was
miserable.

Technology should be used wherever there is a concrete problem that it
can help solve. I still don't see any problem in need of a technological
solution here.

	Fede
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From ca at rits.org.br  Wed Apr 13 18:52:22 2005
From: ca at rits.org.br (Carlos Afonso)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PRESS RELEASE   On U.N  Millennium  Development
  Goals  Advocacy    And  Awareness  Campaign  In Liberia
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From cnd at knowprose.com  Wed Apr 13 19:14:53 2005
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
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Milton Mueller wrote:

>I understand Taran Rampersad's frustration, but I don't understand why
>he put us in the same boat with the obstructionists. 
>
I expect, then, that you don't really understand my frustration. You
must understand that I have been on the outside, looking in over the
past few months as the real world has kept me rather busy. I'll probably
upset people on both 'sides', but I'm not really here to make friends.

The bottom line is that this is Civil Society, and we're *all* in the
same boat. If there are obstructionists, we can stand around pointing at
them but while we're doing that the boat isn't *moving* because our
hands aren't on the oars. I think - I hope - that there is a point to
all of this, and that people will work together to get this unruly boat
to it's destination. That's supposed to be the point, and I am fairly
certain that you will agree.

I understand the practicality needed and the ideological points. But
it's time to move forward, in my eyes. Perhaps someone will fund
teleconference software which is GPL'd, and that's really where I see a
lot of progress that can be made. That the majority of people involved
in the teleconference are either unwilling or unable to use software
that isn't as integrated as it could be should inspire someone to fund
the integration such that it is easier for them to use - especially if
it's in line with the spirit of Civil Society. That would be some form
of progress that would be tangible.

But I haven't heard that much from either side. And that is frustrating,
because we have an international group of intelligent people who are
giving reasons for why things aren't happening instead of making things
happen.

The teleconference is nice. And I'd love to hear that people are working
together in Civil Society to create something worthy of Civil Society
for the next phase, instead of all this rhetoric constantly splattered
in my email box by the 'obstructionists' and the 'obstructionists'. Both
sides have valid points, and time isn't on the side of either for the
conference on the 22nd. I don't even know that I will be able to run the
software for that, but that's not too significant - and apparently never
has been in Civil Society. While some are called obstructionists because
of enforcing an ideology, others are obstructionists by not allowing the
practical aspects of the ideology to change the way that they do things.

So what will be done to avoid this happening again? I think that is the
discussion worth having, and is one I would participate in if I have
enough time. After all, the only reason I got involved in all of this is
because of the fact that I wasn't hearing anything of note coming out of
Civil Society. A friend suggested that maybe now I know why this was
now, and I'd hate to think he was right.

-- 
Taran Rampersad
Presently in: Esteli, Nicaragua
cnd@knowprose.com

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From cnd at knowprose.com  Wed Apr 13 19:22:09 2005
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
In-Reply-To: <1113409875.5721.545.camel@michelle>
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Federico Heinz wrote:

>On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 21:43 -0500, Taran Rampersad wrote:
>  
>
>>[lots of stuff about "rapid prototyping" and "requirements"]
>>    
>>
>
>All of this is irrelevant to my point that conferencing tools may be
>"cool" but hardly necessary, and in fact preclude the participation of
>people without broadband access and fast computers. If people want to
>play with fancy expensive toys, by all means, go ahead and do it. Just
>don't move part of the debate to it, because you are preventing others
>from participating.
>
>  
>
>>Like it or not, we have to get things done despite agendas. While some
>>are busy being uncompromising - on both sides - the problems aren't
>>being solved.
>>    
>>
>
>Exactly which *problem* is not being solved? Where is the *need*?
>
>The Internet itself was built with text-based communications. The whole
>body of free software was built using not more than text-based
>communications. Is what we are attempting to do here so much more
>complex that it can't be done in a well-tested, time-proven way that is
>much more widely available than the proposed alternative?
>
>I understand the WGIG used this kind of tools, and had several
>face-to-face meetings... and nonetheless the quality of its output was
>miserable.
>
>Technology should be used wherever there is a concrete problem that it
>can help solve. I still don't see any problem in need of a technological
>solution here.
>
>	Fede
>  
>
Again, I cannot explain software engineering to you within the limited
time constraints of my schedule - and therefore, I must apologize. I
also cannot explain usability to you. What I can do is tell you that I
disagree with the perspective you present vehemently. I can live with
such a disagreement.

I am of the opinion that technology should not dictate what people do,
but that people should dictate what technology does. This means that the
likes and dislikes of many people must be tolerated at the least, and at
best expected. That means that there must be respect for other people
and their wants and needs, even if they do not coincide with your own.

Most people in Civil Society do not appear to be able to handle posting
to a weblog - even caucuses with members of software foundations
involved. For some, email is difficult. But at least they are here, and
I think that working with people should be the priority - and using
technology to do so as a tool, not a battleflag for an ideology. And I
say that as a member of the Free Software Foundation - and anyone within
the FSF who has a problem with that can send me back my money instead of
arguing with me.

-- 
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Presently in: Esteli, Nicaragua
cnd@knowprose.com

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From Mueller at syr.edu  Wed Apr 13 22:00:53 2005
From: Mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] April 22 online discussion session
Message-ID: <s25d5057.053@gwia201.syr.edu>

You are invited to attend an online conference for discussion of ICANN
reform
22 April UTC Friday, April 22
New York (EST, USA) Fri 10:00 AM  
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil Fri 11:00 AM 
Berlin, Fri 4:00 PM 
Hong Kong Fri 10:00 PM 

Program:
Introduction: Derrick L. Cogburn, Syracuse University School of Info.
Studies
1. Professors Hans Klein (Georgia Tech U.) and M. Mueller (Syracuse
University): Presentation of "What to do about ICANN" Paper 10 minutes
http://dcc.syr.edu/igp-home.htm 

2. Discussants: 
   a. Written comments from Carlos Afonso, RITS, WGIG, 3 min.
   b. Tom Vest, Packet Clearing House, 5 min. 
   c. Richard Hill, ITU-T, 5 min.
   d. ICANN representative (invited), 5 min.

3. Open discussion from participants: 30-60 minutes. Moderator: Derrick
L. Cogburn

To join the session, please click here, within 60 minutes of the start
time:
http://cotelco-server.syr.edu:8080/meeting_login.html?meeting_id=13780


If this is the first time you will be using the Elluminate software,
you may be 
prompted to download some client software which may take anywhere from
2 to 20 
minutes depending upon your Internet connection speed. You can 
pre-configure your system with the required software by going to the 
support page: http://cotelco-server.syr.edu:8080/support.html 

Please make sure your computer has a microphone and speakers to be able

to talk and hear while you are in the Elluminate session.



From mjr at dsl.pipex.com  Wed Apr 13 23:00:55 2005
From: mjr at dsl.pipex.com (MJ Ray)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] April 22 online discussion session
In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:00:53 -0400 
	<s25d5057.053@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s25d5057.053@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <E1DLpup-0001so-00@pipe.localnet>

Milton Mueller wrote:
> [...] You can
> pre-configure your system with the required software by going to the
> support page: http://cotelco-server.syr.edu:8080/support.html
> 
> Please make sure your computer has a microphone and speakers to be able
> to talk and hear while you are in the Elluminate session.

I am interested to hear the discussions about ICANN (and maybe
participate), but I am not a client of Sun Microsystems. I do
have access to an existing VoIP system and clients for a variety
of standard protocols. Please can you tell me whether this is
sufficient to participate in the meeting and how to do so?

I'm pretty sure that I have tried to contact the owner of that
website in the past, without answer, so I ask on-list instead.

-- 
MJR/slef
http://www.affs.org.uk/~mjr/


From fheinz at vialibre.org.ar  Wed Apr 13 23:15:40 2005
From: fheinz at vialibre.org.ar (Federico Heinz)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
In-Reply-To: <425D6351.8060102@knowprose.com>
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Message-ID: <1113430540.5721.592.camel@michelle>

On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 13:22 -0500, Taran Rampersad wrote:
> Again, I cannot explain software engineering to you within the limited
> time constraints of my schedule [...and then some more incoherent ranting]

Very good, Taran! You certainly have shown me my place there, I am
mightily impressed.

Now that you have let all that steam go, would you mind please telling
me exactly what "problem" it is that these conferencing tools solve, and
how solving that problem is more important than leaving out people with
poor connectivity and underpowered hardware?

So far, I still see only a solution in search of a problem...

Thank you very much,

	Fede

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From cnd at knowprose.com  Thu Apr 14 00:22:05 2005
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
In-Reply-To: <1113430540.5721.592.camel@michelle>
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Message-ID: <425DA99D.7030806@knowprose.com>

Thanks for your kind comments. They have been received in better spirits
than they were given. :-)

The intent was not to 'put you in your place'. The intent was to keep
the focus on issues. I apologize if you felt slighted in any way, though
I am not sure what I am apologizing for.

Who are you representing here, Federico? If this is personal, please
feel free to email me personally. I don't think you're presenting a
Civil Society caucus issue. If you don't see a need for software, then I
don't see the need for this discussion to continue on this email list or
personally. It's apparent to me that there is a need for software for
online collaboration which meets the needs of the Civil Society plenary,
and there has been such a need.

Maybe you're right, and everyone else is wrong. I don't know. I'm just
trying to see what comes next in Civil Society, and to do that we need
more participation. It's not my place to give you a list of
requirements, but I did research the abilities of the software being
used for the meeting on the 22nd. It's fair to say that the abilities
used with that software for the meeting would be the baseline requirements.

If you wish to continue the discussion, feel free to email me offlist.

Federico Heinz wrote:

>On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 13:22 -0500, Taran Rampersad wrote:
>  
>
>>Again, I cannot explain software engineering to you within the limited
>>time constraints of my schedule [...and then some more incoherent ranting]
>>    
>>
>
>Very good, Taran! You certainly have shown me my place there, I am
>mightily impressed.
>
>Now that you have let all that steam go, would you mind please telling
>me exactly what "problem" it is that these conferencing tools solve, and
>how solving that problem is more important than leaving out people with
>poor connectivity and underpowered hardware?
>
>So far, I still see only a solution in search of a problem...
>
>Thank you very much,
>
>	Fede
>
>  
>


-- 
Taran Rampersad
Presently in: Esteli, Nicaragua
cnd@knowprose.com

http://www.linuxgazette.com
http://www.a42.com
http://www.knowprose.com
http://www.easylum.net

"Criticize by creating." ? Michelangelo


From fheinz at vialibre.org.ar  Thu Apr 14 01:01:08 2005
From: fheinz at vialibre.org.ar (Federico Heinz)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
In-Reply-To: <425DA99D.7030806@knowprose.com>
References: <s25a998c.007@gwia201.syr.edu>
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Message-ID: <1113436868.5721.621.camel@michelle>

On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 18:22 -0500, Taran Rampersad wrote:
> Who are you representing here, Federico?

I am a member of this caucus, concerned that the fascination with cool
new toys may be causing some fellow caucus members lose sight of how bad
an idea it is to move part of the debate to a realm in which people
without broadband and fat machines cannot participate.

> If you don't see a need for software, then I don't see the need for
> this discussion to continue

You continue to ignore the issue, and I'm starting to hope that you are
doing it deliberately, because I'm running out of ways to explain it to
you. Certainly there are people and circumstances for which such
software would be useful. I'm just pointing out that the use of this
kind of tool for CS caucus' purposes would be a mistake, because it will
exclude people which could very well participate using the current
tools.

> It's apparent to me that there is a need for software for
> online collaboration which meets the needs of the Civil Society plenary,
> and there has been such a need.

Great! If it is so apparent to you, then it will be very easy for you to
substantiate this need. Please, do tell us.

	Fede

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From bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de  Thu Apr 14 01:19:24 2005
From: bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
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Message-ID: <425DB70C.7040605@zedat.fu-berlin.de>

Hi all,

I think the arguments have been exchanged, and the "discussion" now seems 
to me only a personal exchange of accusations or misinterpretations 
between three or four people. Could you please continue this offlist?

(As has been mentioned: Some list subscribers don't have broadband and 
have to pay for each mail they receive.)

Thanks.

Ralf

From cnd at knowprose.com  Thu Apr 14 04:52:31 2005
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
In-Reply-To: <1113436868.5721.621.camel@michelle>
References: <s25a998c.007@gwia201.syr.edu>	 <5968b6f0e630480f3a27791dea4acd06@traceynaughton.com>	 <425B9346.3030201@bertola.eu.org> <m3fyxwrqfy.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org>	 <425C078D.4080303@bertola.eu.org>  <425C222E.9040007@knowprose.com>	 <1113351261.5721.505.camel@michelle>  <425C8738.6040404@knowprose.com>	 <1113409875.5721.545.camel@michelle>  <425D6351.8060102@knowprose.com>	 <1113430540.5721.592.camel@michelle>  <425DA99D.7030806@knowprose.com> <1113436868.5721.621.camel@michelle>
Message-ID: <425DE8FF.9000506@knowprose.com>

Federico,

If you really want to continue this discussion, I would be willing to
consider it privately. I expect that as a FSF speaker, you would
understand this.

Federico Heinz wrote:

>On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 18:22 -0500, Taran Rampersad wrote:
>  
>
>>Who are you representing here, Federico?
>>    
>>
>
>I am a member of this caucus, concerned that the fascination with cool
>new toys may be causing some fellow caucus members lose sight of how bad
>an idea it is to move part of the debate to a realm in which people
>without broadband and fat machines cannot participate.
>  
>


-- 
Taran Rampersad
Presently in: Esteli, Nicaragua
cnd@knowprose.com

http://www.linuxgazette.com
http://www.a42.com
http://www.knowprose.com
http://www.easylum.net

"Criticize by creating." ? Michelangelo


From claudia.padovani at unipd.it  Thu Apr 14 05:41:36 2005
From: claudia.padovani at unipd.it (Claudia Padovani)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: R: [WSIS CS-Plenary] further comments on Global Alliance
In-Reply-To: <20050411191454.152CB30E7DF@ws7-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <20050414044146.26F7014B5F5@mail.gn.apc.org>

Ciao, and thanks Rik, for sharing this with us. Is there a report of the
meeting and record of interventions somewhere? Maybe you have notes...
I am pleased about the proposal of multi-monitoring mechanisms, as I/we in
Italy are thinking about precisely setting up some kind of monitoring
mechanism to check our government's commitments within/after WSIS. I believe
it would be interesting and useful to discuss (maybe within the working
method group) about a possible framework to be shared by CS groups so that
similar and parallel monitoring activities could be developed in different
countries. Maybe somebody is already planning along this line. Making
something like this a joint effort would greatly enhance the value and
effectiveness of CS groups in different contexts. 
Just ideas
Claudia padovani

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] Per conto
di richard jordan
Inviato: luned? 11 aprile 2005 21.15
A: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Oggetto: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] further comments on Global Alliance

Rik, Could not find the consultation. Where is it? Richard J.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rik Panganiban" <rikp@earthlink.net>
To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] further comments on Global Alliance
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:48:00 -0700 (PDT)

> 
> Dear Friends,
> 
> The following are my remarks at the Global Alliance consultation 
> that took place this morning at the UN.  They elaborate upon 
> previous comments that I have made on the Alliance, but perhaps 
> might be useful to some people.
> 
> - Rik
> 
> ==========================================
> 
> Global Alliance Recommendations
> 11 April 2005
> Rik Panganiban, Communications Coordinator,
> Conference of NGOs in consultative relationship with the United 
> Nations (CONGO)
> 
> 
> CONGO is pleased to have an opportunity to again express its views 
> on the purpose, structure and modus operandi of the proposed Global 
> Alliance for ICT Policy and Development.  We view positively the 
> fresh approach taken to following up on the WSIS as well as 
> integrating ICTs into the larger UN development agenda.  And we are 
> happy that there will be other opportunities for us to intervene in 
> the coming weeks after the UN ICT Task Force Meeting in Dublin this 
> week.
> 
> 
> 1. For us, the main purpose of having a Global Alliance is to 
> create a mechanism with the overall objective of moving more 
> effectively from goal and standard setting to implementation. Such 
> a follow-up mechanism should be established under the auspices of 
> the UN Secretary General to avoid its mandate being hijacked by any 
> group of actors, with a real multistakeholder partnership character 
> in which civil society has significant weight.
> 
> 2. It is important to recall that the main intent of traditional 
> Commissions following UN summits is to provide a  forum for 
> governments to come together periodically to report on their 
> progress in achieving the goals the committed to at the Summit. 
> NGOs traditionally attend the commission meetings to express their 
> own views on how governments are doing, to network with each other 
> and to promote their own projects related to the issue area.
> 
>   3. While the Commission process has done much to promote 
> continued NGO participation in the UN system and been an important 
> vehicle for promoting our ideas and proposals, there are definite 
> disadvantages as well. Notably, Commissions are often weak 
> mechanisms for getting governments to comply with their own 
> commitments. NGOs often are lost among the hundreds of groups that 
> show up. And the meetings are expensive and difficult for groups in 
> the developing world to attend.
> 
>   4. The purpose of the Global Alliance ??? to promote ICTs to 
> achieve the UN development agenda ??? will require a much more 
> concerted effort to get governments, in partnership with civil 
> society and the private sector, to create sound policies to 
> implement this integrated vision. An annual report to a Commission 
> meeting is not enough.
> 
>   5. One possibility is for the Global Alliance to establish a 
> central online observatory to monitor how governments around the 
> world are doing on achieving the WSIS and Millennium goals. 
> Government provided data would be presented alongside international 
> monitoring and reporting bodies like UNDP and the World Bank. NGOs 
> and the private sector could present their own reports on what is 
> happening on the ground and their recommendations for governments. 
> Thus year-round, there would be an ongoing monitoring and reporting 
> website where anyone could examine where various regions were at 
> and see where more concerted action was needed.
> 
>   6. Once a year, the Global Alliance could convene in one of the 
> developing regions of the world (Asia, Africa, Latin America, 
> Central / Eastern Europe) to bring concerted attention and support 
> to the unique problems and issues of that region. Emphasis at the 
> meeting would be capacity building for government policy makers, 
> NGO activists, and business entrepreneurs in the region to 
> jumpstart development using ICTs.
> 
> These are just a couple of ideas that may help focus our 
> discussions on what the concrete contributions of the Global 
> Alliance might be. Thank you for the opportunity to contribute to 
> this discussion, and we reiterate our willingness to assist the 
> Task Force as it further refines the concept of the Global Alliance.
> 
> 
> ===============================================
> RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
> Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United 
> Nations (CONGO)
> web: http://www.ngocongo.org
> email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
> 
> * Information on the WSIS at http://www.ngocongo.org/wsis
> * Information on Millennium+5 at http://www.ngocongo.org/mdg
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From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Thu Apr 14 08:21:46 2005
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:48 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
Message-ID: <8405126.1113463306703.JavaMail.www@wwinf0501>

Federico wrote :
"the fascination with cool
new toys may be causing some fellow caucus members lose sight of how bad
an idea it is to move part of the debate to a realm in which people
without broadband and fat machines cannot participate"

You are right and your comment would be perfect if you add : "high level skills in both hw and sw hadling and mastering"
We are lots of people who are just able to send e-mails and write documents with our "machine". But I stress that we have a lot of ideas and of commitment to share !
Isn't that the originanlity and the role of CS in the WSIS ?
I'd just remind to everybody that CS didn't have such sophisticated tools during phase 1 of the WSIS and hawever it happened to be present, active ant reactive. Far more than in the presnt phase!
Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT-France 



> Message du 14/04/05 01:58
> De : "Federico Heinz" 
> A : plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Copie ? : 
> Objet : Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
> 
> On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 18:22 -0500, Taran Rampersad wrote:
> > Who are you representing here, Federico?
> 
> I am a member of this caucus, concerned that the fascination with cool
> new toys may be causing some fellow caucus members lose sight of how bad
> an idea it is to move part of the debate to a realm in which people
> without broadband and fat machines cannot participate.
> 
> > If you don't see a need for software, then I don't see the need for
> > this discussion to continue
> 
> You continue to ignore the issue, and I'm starting to hope that you are
> doing it deliberately, because I'm running out of ways to explain it to
> you. Certainly there are people and circumstances for which such
> software would be useful. I'm just pointing out that the use of this
> kind of tool for CS caucus' purposes would be a mistake, because it will
> exclude people which could very well participate using the current
> tools.
> 
> > It's apparent to me that there is a need for software for
> > online collaboration which meets the needs of the Civil Society plenary,
> > and there has been such a need.
> 
> Great! If it is so apparent to you, then it will be very easy for you to
> substantiate this need. Please, do tell us.
> 
> Fede
> 
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From: webmaster at nilebasin.com (Nabil El-Khodari)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:49 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Privacy concerns with domain name registration: the .us
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During the past month I have received four comments that either support the
NTIA's decision to eliminate your privacy, and/or that question my support
for .US private registrations. I can understand that to some, these comments
make sense. However once you consider the facts, each comment is easily
discredited. I also think that taking a look at the facts that arise when
each comment is considered, provides a sharper understanding of the NTIA's
inappropriate handling of the .US privacy issue. Here are the four comments,
along with my response to each. You be the judge.

Comment #1: There is nothing that I can find online detailing the NTIA
decision. Don't expect me to support something I can't research and verify
on my own.

My response: The reason you can't find anything online detailing the NTIA
decision is because of the way they went about eliminating your privacy.
Everything the NTIA did was done "under the radar," and except for the
agreements they made registrars sign, and the letters they sent threatening
us if we didn't comply, there literally is nothing documented.

This all came about on February 2nd of this year when the NTIA sent NeuStar,
Inc., the .US registry operator, a letter telling them to tell each
registrar to stop selling private domain name registrations, and to provide
an amended accreditation agreement forbidding private registrations. You can
see this letter at the following link:
http://www.thedangerofnoprivacy.com/NTIA_Proxy1.pdf.

As you can see in the above letter, registrars were notified on Feb 2, 2005
and only given until Feb 16, 2005 to discontinue offering private domain
name registrations. I might add once again that the NTIA decided to strip
.US domain holders of their right to privacy, without notice, and without
hearings of any kind.

Also on February 2, 2005, all .US registrars were sent a new agreement by
the registry which we were told to sign. You can see this agreement at the
following link:
http://www.thedangerofnoprivacy.com/usTLD_Registrar_Accreditation_Agreem
ent.pdf. Pay attention to paragraph 3.7.7.4, which we have highlighted in
red. This new section forbids registrars from selling private .US
registrations.

Initially Go Daddy refused to comply with the demand and also refused to
sign the agreement. So the NTIA, via the registry operator NeuStar, Inc.,
"made us an offer we couldn't refuse." On February 17, 2005, NeuStar, Inc.
sent us a letter via Federal Express saying that if we didn't stop selling
.US private registrations by March 4, 2005, we would lose our accreditation
to sell .US domain name registrations, and our customers would be
transferred away to another accredited .US registrar. You can see this
letter at the following link:
http://www.thedangerofnoprivacy.com/letter.pdf.

We seriously considered letting the accreditation go, and discontinuing
offering .US domain names. The reason we finally decided to yield to the
NTIA pressure, was because our .US customers would simply be transferred to
another registrar. We strongly believed we had an obligation to our .US
customers and that if we simply let them be transferred away to another
registrar, it would go against everything we stand for. So on March 3, 2004,
we signed the amended agreement and stopped selling .US registrations.

The newest NTIA trick.
Since I've been writing about this issue, over 10,000 of you took the time
to write your Congressperson and Senators. And recently, there was an even
more interesting development . This new happening will show you just how
clever the bureaucrats at the NTIA can be. When legislators have written the
NTIA in connection with your complaints, the NTIA has been replying that
they only recently discovered that private registrations were being offered,
and that private registrations were never authorized in the .US domain. You
can see one of these letters at the following link:
http://www.thedangerofnoprivacy.com/congressionalletter.pdf.

The NTIA response letter does not mention that private .US registrations
have been available for over three years. NeuStar (the .US registry
operator) was well aware of this fact, because GoDaddy.com provided them
with a letter detailing how GoDaddy.com would maintain Nexus information for
private registrations way back when we started offering these registrations.
We can be sure that the NTIA has been well aware of private registrations
since then also. They also claim that they eliminated private registrations
so that better information will be available for law enforcement and
intellectual property holders. The truth is that law enforcement and
intellectual property holders know that private registrations make for more
accurate information and as such support them.

This reply to Senatorial and Congressional inquiries literally disguises the
fact that the NTIA just pulled one over on all of us (without due process
and without hearings of any kind), and makes it look like they are enforcing
an agreement that has been in place for years. It makes no mention of, and
completely disguises that the reason .US private registrations are not
permitted is because in February 2005 they forced all registrars to sign a
new agreement which forbids them. I've got to give them credit, it's a
really slick move.

Comment #2: The NTIA must have a good reason to eliminate privacy on .US
domain names.

My response: Actually, they don't. This move of the NTIA revolves around one
thing: power. If anyone should know if private registrations are harmful it
is those who work in federal and local law enforcement. It also includes
those who are involved in protecting intellectual property.

After the NTIA made the unilateral decision to strip away your privacy, Go
Daddy representatives flew to Washington and provided the NTIA with a letter
from a federal law enforcement agency that supports private registrations.
We also offered to provide the names of others in law enforcement that felt
the same way. Law enforcement supports private registrations because they
know:

1. That the underlying information associated with private domain name
registrations, compared to public registrations, is far more likely to be
accurate. People don't pay to protect false information.
2. That the bad guys don't pay to protect bad information. Instead they
simply provide false information.
3. That, if they need to, law enforcement can quickly get to the information
behind a private domain name registration. They know that with a private
registration there is accountability.
4. That private domain name registrations exist only to provide law abiding
citizens with privacy. Private registrations do not in any way shield
crooks.

The NTIA refused to consider any of this and simply told us that the
decision had been made. We then asked them why they made this decision and
who was behind it. Guess what? They refused to tell us. This is not the way
our government is supposed to operate.

There are those of you who are thinking (I know because I'll get the posts)
that the NTIA must have some deep reasons of National Security, or the
elimination of SPAM or some other evil, behind their decision to eliminate
private .US registrations. I can tell you that this simply isn't the case.
Like we told the NTIA, those who are involved in the evils that take place
on the Internet don't use private registrations. The crooks simply provide
false information. It's only law abiding citizens that purchase private
registrations, who have no problem being accountable for their actions. Law
enforcement knows this. That's why law enforcement supports private domain
name registrations.

Comment #3: There is no Constitutional right to privacy.

My response: This is simply not true. There is a right to privacy, which is
derived from the Constitution and subsequent amendments.

It is true that the word "privacy" does not appear in the Constitution
anywhere. The Constitution is a document about what the government can do,
not about what people can do. So, logically, it never says something like
"people have a right to privacy."

The right to privacy has been interpreted to belong to people as a result of
what the Constitution does not allow the government to do. Specifically, the
right to privacy has evolved to protect the freedom of people to choose
whether or not to perform certain acts or subject themselves to certain
experiences, and keeps the government out of those decisions. This personal
autonomy has grown into a "liberty" protected by the due process clause of
the 14th amendment.

Further extensions of the right to privacy have been attempted under the
1st, 4th and 5th amendments. The right of privacy has developed along with a
statutory right of privacy which limits access to personal information. The
FTC enforces this statutory right of privacy, and the existence of privacy
policies demonstrate the FTC's work in this area.

Source: 

Hot Points! A weblog (blog) by Bob Parsons
http://www.bobparsons.com/NTIAprivacyeliminationtricksexplainedThedocumenttr
ailt.html

Sincerely,

Nabil El-Khodari
Founder
Nile Basin Society

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Fax: +1 (647) 722-3273

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http://nile.ca

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From ca at rits.org.br  Thu Apr 14 17:45:02 2005
From: ca at rits.org.br (Carlos Afonso)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:49 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
In-Reply-To: <425DB70C.7040605@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
References: <s25a998c.007@gwia201.syr.edu>	 <5968b6f0e630480f3a27791dea4acd06@traceynaughton.com>	 <425B9346.3030201@bertola.eu.org> <m3fyxwrqfy.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org>	 <425C078D.4080303@bertola.eu.org>  <425C222E.9040007@knowprose.com>	 <1113351261.5721.505.camel@michelle>  <425C8738.6040404@knowprose.com>	 <1113409875.5721.545.camel@michelle>  <425D6351.8060102@knowprose.com>	 <1113430540.5721.592.camel@michelle>  <425DA99D.7030806@knowprose.com> <1113436868.5721.621.camel@michelle> <425DB70C.7040605@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <425E9E0E.1020100@rits.org.br>

Excellent suggestion, Ralph, and a practice we should all adopt to 
participate in any collective discussion.

--c.a.

Ralf Bendrath wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I think the arguments have been exchanged, and the "discussion" now 
> seems to me only a personal exchange of accusations or 
> misinterpretations between three or four people. Could you please 
> continue this offlist?
>
> (As has been mentioned: Some list subscribers don't have broadband and 
> have to pay for each mail they receive.)
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ralf
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From gurstein at ADM.NJIT.EDU  Thu Apr 14 22:50:37 2005
From: gurstein at ADM.NJIT.EDU (Gurstein, Michael)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:49 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] RE: [governance] further comments on Global Alliance
Message-ID: <A0E19BF31237DE4A9B1FF1E122FAC13A0C8A7330@ADMCLUSTER.njitdm.campus.njit.edu>

I also made some remarks at the UN ICT Task Force meeting in New York on the proposed Global Alliance.  

I introduced myself as the Chair of the Community Informatics Research Network which includes several hundred researchers world-wide who have a research concern with enabling communities with Information and Communications Technologies.  I also mentioned my position as a Board Member of the Telecentres of the Americas which is a network of networks of telecentres in the Americas and representing some 15-20,000 individual community telecentres or community based technology initiatives in the region.

The gist of my remarks was to point out that to date none of the various multi-lateral initiatives, up to and including the WSIS have had significant participation from those working directly at the grass roots in initiating and implementing ICTs in support of community activities and development.

While there has been a very considerable degree of "talking about" ICTs for Development there has been remarkably little "talking with" those who are actually doing the job on the ground.  The presentation by others such as governments or multi-lateral agencies or international NGO's of these activities on behalf is not sufficient to effectively engage those working in these areas in process and including an identification of the opportunities and limitations, of these developments.  

I commented favourably on the words of Mr. Sarbuland Khan, the Executive Director of the ICT Task Force, that efforts would continue to support local development through the use of ICTs and that this would be the longer term mission of the proposed Global Alliance.  He also acknowledged that the efforts to date at involving communities and the grass-roots in these activities had fallen short of what was desireable.  He further acknowledged that for development to occur of the scale and depth which is being proposed there would be the need to engage and include the grass-roots directly in these efforts and that this was a task to be pursued both by the Task Force and the Alliance.

In response to a request for suggestions as to how this might be undertaken, I remarked that a good beginning would be to directly engage/"give a voice to" the grassroots and their networks in the on-going discussions on policies, plans and priorities for ICT4D and including in the WSIS.  

I also indicated that resources to enable this would need to be found as these networks typically are very poorly funded and to date see little of interest within the WSIS process which would lead them to invest their extremely scarce resources in these activities. 

One way to proceed in this way would be for the Task Force to suggest that some of the funding currently available to support the participation for example of public servants in the stream of conferences about the ICT4D work that others are doing,  might be re-assigned to support the activities and participation of those actually doing the work, to engage directly by themselves in these discussions and the development of these policies, plans and priorities. 

Michael Gurstein, Ph.D.
Chair: Community Informatics Research Network
Board Member: Telecenters of the Americas (TAP)
Board Member: Telecommunities Canada (TC)
Advisory Board: Association for Community Networking (AFCN)

-----Original Message-----
From: governance-bounces@lists.cpsr.org
[mailto:governance-bounces@lists.cpsr.org]On Behalf Of Rik Panganiban
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 1:48 PM
To: governance@lists.cpsr.org; plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: [governance] further comments on Global Alliance


Dear Friends,

The following are my remarks at the Global Alliance consultation that took place this morning at the UN.  They elaborate upon previous comments that I have made on the Alliance, but perhaps might be useful to some people.

- Rik

==========================================

Global Alliance Recommendations
11 April 2005
Rik Panganiban, Communications Coordinator, 
Conference of NGOs in consultative relationship with the United Nations (CONGO)


CONGO is pleased to have an opportunity to again express its views on the purpose, structure and modus operandi of the proposed Global Alliance for ICT Policy and Development.  We view positively the fresh approach taken to following up on the WSIS as well as integrating ICTs into the larger UN development agenda.  And we are happy that there will be other opportunities for us to intervene in the coming weeks after the UN ICT Task Force Meeting in Dublin this week.  


1. For us, the main purpose of having a Global Alliance is to create a mechanism with the overall objective of moving more effectively from goal and standard setting to implementation. Such a follow-up mechanism should be established under the auspices of the UN Secretary General to avoid its mandate being hijacked by any group of actors, with a real multistakeholder partnership character in which civil society has significant weight.

2. It is important to recall that the main intent of traditional Commissions following UN summits is to provide a  forum for governments to come together periodically to report on their progress in achieving the goals the committed to at the Summit. NGOs traditionally attend the commission meetings to express their own views on how governments are doing, to network with each other and to promote their own projects related to the issue area.

 3. While the Commission process has done much to promote continued NGO participation in the UN system and been an important vehicle for promoting our ideas and proposals, there are definite disadvantages as well. Notably, Commissions are often weak mechanisms for getting governments to comply with their own commitments. NGOs often are lost among the hundreds of groups that show up. And the meetings are expensive and difficult for groups in the developing world to attend.

 4. The purpose of the Global Alliance ?EUR" to promote ICTs to achieve the UN development agenda ?EUR" will require a much more concerted effort to get governments, in partnership with civil society and the private sector, to create sound policies to implement this integrated vision. An annual report to a Commission meeting is not enough.

 5. One possibility is for the Global Alliance to establish a central online observatory to monitor how governments around the world are doing on achieving the WSIS and Millennium goals. Government provided data would be presented alongside international monitoring and reporting bodies like UNDP and the World Bank. NGOs and the private sector could present their own reports on what is happening on the ground and their recommendations for governments. Thus year-round, there would be an ongoing monitoring and reporting website where anyone could examine where various regions were at and see where more concerted action was needed.

 6. Once a year, the Global Alliance could convene in one of the developing regions of the world (Asia, Africa, Latin America, Central / Eastern Europe) to bring concerted attention and support to the unique problems and issues of that region. Emphasis at the meeting would be capacity building for government policy makers, NGO activists, and business entrepreneurs in the region to jumpstart development using ICTs.

These are just a couple of ideas that may help focus our discussions on what the concrete contributions of the Global Alliance might be. Thank you for the opportunity to contribute to this discussion, and we reiterate our willingness to assist the Task Force as it further refines the concept of the Global Alliance.


===============================================
RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations (CONGO) 
web: http://www.ngocongo.org
email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524 

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From veni at veni.com  Fri Apr 15 06:13:29 2005
From: veni at veni.com (veni markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:49 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] RE: [governance] further comments on Global Alliance
In-Reply-To: <A0E19BF31237DE4A9B1FF1E122FAC13A0C8A7330@ADMCLUSTER.njitdm
 .campus.njit.edu>
References: <A0E19BF31237DE4A9B1FF1E122FAC13A0C8A7330@ADMCLUSTER.njitdm.campus.njit.edu>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050415081214.037c26d0@193.200.15.187>

At 17:50 14-04-2005 -0400, Gurstein, Michael wrote:
>I also made some remarks at the UN ICT Task Force meeting in New York on 
>the proposed Global Alliance.
[cut[
>The following are my remarks at the Global Alliance consultation that took 
>place this morning at the UN.  They elaborate upon previous comments that 
>I have made on the Alliance, but perhaps might be useful to some people.
>- Rik

Rik,
if you have some more remarks from what the other people talk, please let 
us know.  I thought you were taking notes, too?
I proposed to the UN ICT TF to offer us more time for discussion.

v. 


From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 15 09:13:48 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:49 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration software debate
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050415081349.12669.qmail@web60702.mail.yahoo.com>

Mon cher Jean Louis,
Il est difficile pour les gens bien intentionnés dont
le seul mérite est d'être nés au Nord et ou dans des
pays riches et ou dans les couches au pouvoir de
comprendre la détresse et la désespérance de centaines
de millions de personnes qui vivent dans la grande
misère et le dénuement éducatif, sanitaire et
numérique.
C'est un dialogue de sourd et c'est révoltant lorsque
des attitudes méprisantes viennent de collègues qui
veulent parler au nom de la société civile du Nord et
du Sud... Si la société civile a une seule mission
c'est celle de défendre les intérêts des laisser pour
compte et cela nos amis du Nord doivent le comprendre
une bonne foi pour toute.
Amitiés
Djilali
As long as the civile society representive refuse to
commit themselves to support the tragedy of population
in the South surviving in inacceptable conditions of
poverty in education, health, food, information and
other digital sectors we do face within ourselves a
big, very big misunderstanding.
All the best
Djilali  
--- Jean-Louis FULLSACK <jlfullsack@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> Federico wrote :
> "the fascination with cool
> new toys may be causing some fellow caucus members
> lose sight of how bad
> an idea it is to move part of the debate to a realm
> in which people
> without broadband and fat machines cannot
> participate"
> 
> You are right and your comment would be perfect if
> you add : "high level skills in both hw and sw
> hadling and mastering"
> We are lots of people who are just able to send
> e-mails and write documents with our "machine". But
> I stress that we have a lot of ideas and of
> commitment to share !
> Isn't that the originanlity and the role of CS in
> the WSIS ?
> I'd just remind to everybody that CS didn't have
> such sophisticated tools during phase 1 of the WSIS
> and hawever it happened to be present, active ant
> reactive. Far more than in the presnt phase!
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> CSDPTT-France 
> 
> 
> 
> > Message du 14/04/05 01:58
> > De : "Federico Heinz" 
> > A : plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > Copie à : 
> > Objet : Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Collaboration
> software debate
> > 
> > On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 18:22 -0500, Taran Rampersad
> wrote:
> > > Who are you representing here, Federico?
> > 
> > I am a member of this caucus, concerned that the
> fascination with cool
> > new toys may be causing some fellow caucus members
> lose sight of how bad
> > an idea it is to move part of the debate to a
> realm in which people
> > without broadband and fat machines cannot
> participate.
> > 
> > > If you don't see a need for software, then I
> don't see the need for
> > > this discussion to continue
> > 
> > You continue to ignore the issue, and I'm starting
> to hope that you are
> > doing it deliberately, because I'm running out of
> ways to explain it to
> > you. Certainly there are people and circumstances
> for which such
> > software would be useful. I'm just pointing out
> that the use of this
> > kind of tool for CS caucus' purposes would be a
> mistake, because it will
> > exclude people which could very well participate
> using the current
> > tools.
> > 
> > > It's apparent to me that there is a need for
> software for
> > > online collaboration which meets the needs of
> the Civil Society plenary,
> > > and there has been such a need.
> > 
> > Great! If it is so apparent to you, then it will
> be very easy for you to
> > substantiate this need. Please, do tell us.
> > 
> > Fede
> > 
> > -- 
> > GnuPG Public Key: gpg --keyserver
> wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-key BD02C6E0
> > Key Fingerprint: 04F4 08C5 14B7 2C3D DB21 ACF8
> 6CF5 0B0C BD02 C6E0
> > >
> > [ signature.asc (0.2 Ko) ]
> ico wrote :

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From christine.wenzel at web.de  Fri Apr 15 09:34:04 2005
From: christine.wenzel at web.de (christine wenzel)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:49 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CoE - HR and the rule of law in the InfSoc
Message-ID: <1933112732@web.de>

fyi


(j'ai pas trouver la version francais mais je suis sure q'il exist ici http://www.coe.int/DefaultFR.asp)

The Council of Europe expert meeting on Human Rights in the Information Society took place in Strasbourg on 6/7
April. I send you a link to the final version of a political statement on the principles and guidelines for ensuring respect for human rights and the rule of law in the Information Society, which is a contribution to the third Summit of Heads of State and Government of the Council of Europe (16-17 May 2005) and to the World Summit on the Information Society in November this year. 

http://www.coe.int/t/e/integrated_projects/democracy/02_Activities/00_CAHSI/

CAHSI 
Multidisciplinary Ad Hoc Committee of Experts on the Information Society (CAHSI)

"The Committee of Ministers adopted the terms of reference of the CAHSI as part of the Council of Europe?s new project ?Good Governance in the Information Society?, launched in 2005.
The Multidisciplinary Ad Hoc Committee of Experts will prepare and submit to the Committee of Ministers for approval, a draft political statement on the principles and guidelines for ensuring respect for human rights and the rule of law in the Information Society, with a view to its use as a contribution to the third Summit of Heads of State and Government of the Council of Europe (16-17 May 2005) and the Tunis phase of the World Summit on the Information Society (16-18 November 2005)."

best 
Christine


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From yocadsorg2003 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 15 11:22:44 2005
From: yocadsorg2003 at yahoo.com (yocads yocads)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:49 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PRESS  RELEASE    U.N Millennium  Development  Goasl   Advocacy  And  Awareness  Campaign  In  Liberia  By  YOCADS
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From carolyn.deere at bluewin.ch  Thu Apr 14 00:19:58 2005
From: carolyn.deere at bluewin.ch (Carolyn Deere)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:49 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IP-Watch: WIPO Development Agenda Talks Move Ahead
Message-ID: <000401c5407f$5261e9e0$e1a5bac3@BIGDELL>

A new entry titled 'WIPO Development Agenda Talks Move Ahead' has been
posted to Intellectual Property Watch weblog.

http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/index_test.php?p=43

WIPO Development Agenda Talks Move Ahead

by William New @ 11:56 pm, 13/4/05 

World Intellectual Property Organisation members late Wednesday night
agreed to continue discussing a proposal to more deeply infuse
developing country needs into the mission of the U.N. body. 

After three full days of closed-door meetings - much of them in private
meetings of smaller groups - members reached a carefully crafted
compromise: to hold two more meetings, one in June and one in July. This
was significant as some members view the push for a development agenda
at WIPO as unnecessary arguing that the organisation has long addressed
development issues. 

The subject of this week's inter-sessional intergovernmental meeting
(IIM) in Geneva was a proposal for a WIPO Development Agenda made at
last fall's WIPO General Assembly by Argentina and Brazil. The proposal
was co-sponsored by 12 other countries (collectively called the Friends
of Development). The IIM was tasked by the General Assembly with
providing a report by the end of July. 

Prior to the meeting, three other proposals emerged, from the United
States, United Kingdom and Mexico, along with an expanded version of the
Friends of Development proposal. Government and non-governmental
representatives spent most of the time on the floor presenting their
views on the proposals. 

But the actual negotiating during the meetings was largely over how to
proceed. Differences emerged early as developed countries sought to
characterize the development issue as one of technical assistance. The
developed countries proposed to move the discussion to an existing
committee on technical cooperation, and to limit the IIMs to one more
meeting. 

Many developing countries advocated a framework that extends beyond
technical cooperation. They argued that a stronger development
perspective demands changes to WIPO's governance, its approach to new
negotiations, a stronger focus on technology transfer, and improvements
to technical assistance. They insisted that these issues warrant
attention across WIPO's committees and activities. 

The final agreement is to hold a three-day meeting from 20 to 22 June,
and a three-day meeting in July. Member states were asked to contribute
additional proposals to the secretariat as soon as possible. Existing
proposals are to be resubmitted in the form of action plans. 

A draft report of the first IIM will be posted to the WIPO website by 25
April, with comments on it due by 4 May. The revised draft report will
be posted on 11 May. 

Guilherme de Aguiar Patriota, the lead Brazilian delegate, said
afterward that he hoped the two upcoming meetings would focus on the
substance of the proposals, with an eye toward the establishment of a
work plan on the Development Agenda at next fall's General Assembly. 

Some non-governmental groups were relatively upbeat about the outcome of
the first meeting.
"This is a process that has momentum and the commitment of a large
number of countries in a way unlike certain other processes at WIPO
which are not enthusiastically participated in," said Nick Ashton-Hart,
a non-governmental representative and former executive director of the
International Music Managers Forum. 

For instance, the broadcasting treaty talks had fewer participants, and
18 proposals over seven years, he said. By contrast, WIPO reported that
this week's meeting involved 99 member countries, 16 inter-governmental
organisations and 41 non-governmental organisations. 

The fight over meeting schedules had significant consequences for the
Development Agenda. "Without meeting time, processes are dead,"
Ashton-Hart said. "That's why when something gets started that they
wanted, countries fight so hard to keep them going. It's an indication
of how much they care about this." 

In another development, the members agreed at the last minute to a
change that would appear to allow seventeen non-accredited
non-governmental organisations admitted Monday morning to this week's
meeting on an ad hoc basis to attend the remaining IIMs. 


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From carolyn.deere at bluewin.ch  Thu Apr 14 00:19:58 2005
From: carolyn.deere at bluewin.ch (Carolyn Deere)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:49 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [StopWTORound] IP-Watch: WIPO Development Agenda Talks Move Ahead
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A new entry titled 'WIPO Development Agenda Talks Move Ahead' has been
posted to Intellectual Property Watch weblog.

http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/index_test.php?p=43

WIPO Development Agenda Talks Move Ahead

by William New @ 11:56 pm, 13/4/05 

World Intellectual Property Organisation members late Wednesday night
agreed to continue discussing a proposal to more deeply infuse
developing country needs into the mission of the U.N. body. 

After three full days of closed-door meetings - much of them in private
meetings of smaller groups - members reached a carefully crafted
compromise: to hold two more meetings, one in June and one in July. This
was significant as some members view the push for a development agenda
at WIPO as unnecessary arguing that the organisation has long addressed
development issues. 

The subject of this week's inter-sessional intergovernmental meeting
(IIM) in Geneva was a proposal for a WIPO Development Agenda made at
last fall's WIPO General Assembly by Argentina and Brazil. The proposal
was co-sponsored by 12 other countries (collectively called the Friends
of Development). The IIM was tasked by the General Assembly with
providing a report by the end of July. 

Prior to the meeting, three other proposals emerged, from the United
States, United Kingdom and Mexico, along with an expanded version of the
Friends of Development proposal. Government and non-governmental
representatives spent most of the time on the floor presenting their
views on the proposals. 

But the actual negotiating during the meetings was largely over how to
proceed. Differences emerged early as developed countries sought to
characterize the development issue as one of technical assistance. The
developed countries proposed to move the discussion to an existing
committee on technical cooperation, and to limit the IIMs to one more
meeting. 

Many developing countries advocated a framework that extends beyond
technical cooperation. They argued that a stronger development
perspective demands changes to WIPO's governance, its approach to new
negotiations, a stronger focus on technology transfer, and improvements
to technical assistance. They insisted that these issues warrant
attention across WIPO's committees and activities. 

The final agreement is to hold a three-day meeting from 20 to 22 June,
and a three-day meeting in July. Member states were asked to contribute
additional proposals to the secretariat as soon as possible. Existing
proposals are to be resubmitted in the form of action plans. 

A draft report of the first IIM will be posted to the WIPO website by 25
April, with comments on it due by 4 May. The revised draft report will
be posted on 11 May. 

Guilherme de Aguiar Patriota, the lead Brazilian delegate, said
afterward that he hoped the two upcoming meetings would focus on the
substance of the proposals, with an eye toward the establishment of a
work plan on the Development Agenda at next fall's General Assembly. 

Some non-governmental groups were relatively upbeat about the outcome of
the first meeting.
"This is a process that has momentum and the commitment of a large
number of countries in a way unlike certain other processes at WIPO
which are not enthusiastically participated in," said Nick Ashton-Hart,
a non-governmental representative and former executive director of the
International Music Managers Forum. 

For instance, the broadcasting treaty talks had fewer participants, and
18 proposals over seven years, he said. By contrast, WIPO reported that
this week's meeting involved 99 member countries, 16 inter-governmental
organisations and 41 non-governmental organisations. 

The fight over meeting schedules had significant consequences for the
Development Agenda. "Without meeting time, processes are dead,"
Ashton-Hart said. "That's why when something gets started that they
wanted, countries fight so hard to keep them going. It's an indication
of how much they care about this." 

In another development, the members agreed at the last minute to a
change that would appear to allow seventeen non-accredited
non-governmental organisations admitted Monday morning to this week's
meeting on an ad hoc basis to attend the remaining IIMs. 


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From ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es  Sat Apr 16 16:47:18 2005
From: ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es (Lady Murrugarra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:49 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] =?iso-8859-1?q?Ley=20que=20regula=20el=20uso=20del=20correo=20electr=F3ni?=
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Ley N? 28493 
El Presidente de la Rep?blica 

Por cuanto: 

El Congreso de la Rep?blica ha dado la ley siguiente: 

Ley que regula el uso del correo electr?nico comercial no solicitado (SPAM) 

ART. 1?.? Objeto de la ley. La presente ley regula el env?o de comunicaciones comerciales publicitarias o promocionales no solicitadas, realizadas por correo electr?nico, sin perjuicio de la aplicaci?n de las disposiciones vigentes en materia comercial sobre publicidad y protecci?n al consumidor. 

ART. 2?.? Definiciones. Para efectos de la presente ley se entiende por: 

a) Correo electr?nico: Todo mensaje, archivo, dato u otra informaci?n electr?nica que se transmite a una o m?s personas por medio de una red de interconexi?n entre computadoras o cualquier otro equipo de tecnolog?a similar. Tambi?n se considera correo electr?nico la informaci?n contenida en forma de remisi?n o anexo accesible mediante enlace electr?nico directo contenido dentro del correo electr?nico. 

b) Correo electr?nico comercial: Todo correo electr?nico que contenga informaci?n comercial publicitaria o promocional de bienes y servicios de una empresa, organizaci?n, persona o cualquier otra con fines lucrativos. 

c) Proveedor del servicio de correo electr?nico: Toda persona natural o jur?dica que provea el servicio de correo electr?nico y que act?a como intermediario en el env?o o recepci?n del mismo. 

d) Direcci?n de correo electr?nico: Serie de caracteres utilizado para identificar el origen o el destino de un correo electr?nico. 

ART. 3?.? Derechos de los usuarios. Son derechos de los usuarios de correo electr?nico: 

a) Rechazar o no la recepci?n de correos electr?nicos comerciales. 

b) Revocar la autorizaci?n de recepci?n, salvo cuando dicha autorizaci?n sea una condici?n esencial para la provisi?n del servicio de correo electr?nico. 

c) Que su proveedor de servicio de correo electr?nico cuente con sistemas o programas que filtren los correos electr?nicos no solicitados. 

ART. 4?.? Obligaciones del proveedor. Los proveedores de servicio de correo electr?nico domiciliados en el pa?s est?n obligados a contar con sistemas o programas de bloqueo y/o filtro para la recepci?n o la transmisi?n que se efect?e a trav?s de su servidor, de los correos electr?nicos no solicitados por el usuario. 

ART. 5?.? Correo electr?nico comercial no solicitado. Todo correo electr?nico comercial, promocional o publicitario no solicitado, originado en el pa?s, debe contener: 

a) La palabra ?publicidad?, en el campo del ?asunto? (o subject) del mensaje. 

b) Nombre o denominaci?n social, domicilio completo y direcci?n de correo electr?nico de la persona natural o jur?dica que emite el mensaje. 

c) La inclusi?n de una direcci?n de correo electr?nico v?lido y activo de respuesta para que el receptor pueda enviar un mensaje para notificar su voluntad de no recibir m?s correos no solicitados o la inclusi?n de otros mecanismos basados en internet que permita al receptor manifestar su voluntad de no recibir mensajes adicionales. 

ART. 6?.? Correo electr?nico comercial no solicitado considerando ilegal. El correo electr?nico comercial no solicitado ser? considerado ilegal en los siguientes casos: 

a) Cuando no cumpla con alguno de los requisitos establecidos en el art?culo 5? de la presente ley. 

b) Contenga nombre falso o informaci?n falsa que se oriente a no identificar a la persona natural o jur?dica que transmite el mensaje. 

c) Contenga informaci?n falsa o enga?osa en el campo del ?asunto? (o subject), que no coincida con el contenido del mensaje. 

d) Se env?e o transmita a un receptor que haya formulado el pedido para que no se env?e dicha publicidad, luego del plazo de dos (2) d?as. 

ART. 7?.? Responsabilidad. Se considerar?n responsables de las infracciones establecidas en el art?culo 6? de la presente ley y deber?n compensar al receptor de la comunicaci?n: 

1. Toda persona que envi? correos electr?nicos no solicitados conteniendo publicidad comercial. 

2. Las empresas o personas beneficiarias de manera directa con la publicidad difundida. 

3. Los intermediarios de correos electr?nicos no solicitados, tales como los proveedores de servicios de correos electr?nicos. 

ART. 8?.? Derecho a compensaci?n pecuniaria. El receptor de correo electr?nico ilegal podr? accionar por la v?a del proceso sumar?simo contra la persona que lo haya enviado, a fin de obtener una compensaci?n pecuniaria, la cual ser? equivalente al uno por ciento (1%) de la Unidad Impositiva Tributaria por cada uno de los mensajes de correo electr?nico transmitidos en contravenci?n de la presente ley, con un m?ximo de dos (2) Unidades Impositivas Tributarias. 

ART. 9?.? Autoridad competente. El Instituto Nacional de Defensa de la Competencia y de la Protecci?n de la Propiedad Intelectual - Indecopi, a trav?s de la Comisi?n de Protecci?n al Consumidor y de la Comisi?n de Represi?n de la Competencia Desleal, ser? la autoridad competente para conocer las infracciones contempladas en el art?culo 6? de la presente ley; cuyas multas se fijar?n de acuerdo a lo establecido en el Decreto Legislativo N? 716, Ley de Protecci?n al Consumidor, o en el Decreto Legislativo N? 691, normas de la publicidad en d efensa del consumidor, seg?n corresponda. 

ART. 10.? Reglamento. El Poder Ejecutivo mediante decreto supremo, refrendado por el Ministro de Transportes y Comunicaciones, reglamentar? la presente ley en un plazo m?ximo de noventa (90) d?as desde su vigencia. 

ART. 11.? Vigencia. La presente ley entrar? en vigencia a los noventa (90) d?as de su publicaci?n en el Diario Oficial ?El Peruano?. 

Comun?quese al se?or Presidente de la Rep?blica para su promulgaci?n. 

En Lima, a los dieciocho d?as del mes de marzo del dos mil cinco. 

Antero Flores-Araoz E. 

Presidente del Congreso de la Rep?blica 

Judith De La Mata Fern?ndez 

Segunda Vicepresidenta del Congreso de la Rep?blica 

Al se?or Presidente Constitucional de la Rep?blica 

Por tanto: 

Mando se publique y cumpla. 

Dado en la Casa de Gobierno, en Lima, a los once d?as del mes de abril del a?o dos mil cinco. 

Alejandro Toledo 

Presidente Constitucional de la Rep?blica 

Carlos Ferrero 

Presidente del Consejo de Ministros 

Documento publicado en el Diario Oficial El Peruano el 12 de abril del 2005. _________________________ 



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From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:49 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ACSIS a un an!
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Il était une fois … il y’ un an

Au commencement était l'Afrique, puis vint l'Initiative Africaine pour une Société de l'Information - AISI, l'équipe influente de la Division pour le Développement des Services de l'Information de la Commission Economique Africaine (DDSI - CEA) et le Bureau de Bamako qui émana de la toute première Conférence Régionale Préparatoire au Sommet Mondial sur la Société de l'Information - WSIS.

Les discussions initiées à Bamako se sont poursuivies en ligne relativement à des sujets centraux tels l'usage des Technologies de l'Information et de la Communication - TIC pour le Développement. En Novembre 2002, ces forums en ligne ont abouti à une rencontre à Addis Abeba pour toutes les parties prenantes des TIC pour le Développement. Cet événement a permis, grâce à l'Association pour la Progression de la Communication - APC et le CEA, d'offrir une formation sur les politiques TIC à tous les participants. 

Le feu a été allumé et ne s'éteindra plus! Les discussions entre les membres de la Société Civile pour AISI se sont avérées bien plus que des échanges de points de vue mais bien des débats préparatoires pour le Sommet Mondial de la Société de L'information. Malgré des moyens modestes, la Société Civile Africaine fit tout son possible pour contribuer au processus et aux résultats de cette première étape du Sommet Mondial de la Société de l'Information. 

Cette première phase du Sommet Mondial pour la Société de L'information a révélé un réel besoin de structure, d’une vision plus claire et la nécessité de nommer des responsables à la tête du projet. Il s'agissait de ne pas rater cette opportunité lors du Sommet de Genève en 2003. Le Village Africain des média, au-delà du fait qu'il fut un point focal de la plateforme du ICT4D, est devenu un véritable village ralliant tous les frères et soeurs de notre Continent.  A l'issue de ce sommet de Genève, la Société Civile Africaine ressentait bien l'existence d'une équipe projet. 

 

C'est enfin dans la ville même de Tunis - Carthage, où le mot Afrique vit le jour, que le 13 avril 2004 la Société Civile Africaine pour la Société de l'Information, ACSIS, fut fondée, grâce au soutien du CEA et à l'hospitalité des Tunisiens. 

 

De cette étape à aujourd'hui... ACSIS a progressé à pas de géant :

 

L'organisation et les Plans d'Action

La constitution de notre association est prête et les discussions se poursuivent pour élire une terre d'accueil. Les plans d'action pour 2005-2009 et 2005-2015 ont été définis. 

La reconnaissance et la confiance au niveau national, sous-régional, régional et international. 

ACSIS a impressionné la Société Civile Africaine, à tout le moins! Qui aurait prédit cela? ACSIS a reçu le soutien, entre autres de : 

 


   Gouvernements de Tunisie, Guinée, République Démocratique du Congo, Niger, Ghana, Sénégal et Nigeria



   CEA, Commission Economique pour l'Afrique



   La Francophonie



   Heinreich Boell Stiftung 



   Le UNICT Task Force



   Kofi Annan, Secrétaire Général des Nations Unies, durant la constitution du Groupe de Travail sur la Gestion de l'Internet



   UNESCO



   PNUD



   Le Fonds de Solidarité Numérique



   Bureau de la Société Civile Internationale pour le Sommet Mondial pour une Société de l'Information (SMSI)



   Secrétaire Executif du SMSI



   Union Internationale des Télécommunications - UIT



   Service de liaison non-gouvernemental des Nations Unies - SLNG



   Conférence des ONG en charge des relations de consultation auprès de l'ONU - CONGO



   Le Global Knowledge Partnership - GKP



   Association pour la Progression de la Communication - APC



   L’Institut National des Télécommunications de la France



   Conférence Internationale des Bénévoles Volontaires



   Volontariat en ligne pour les Nations Unies – VNU





La vocation de la SCASI est de promouvoir, défendre, informer, former, conseiller, bâtir des partenariats, faciliter l'émergence de réseaux et développer les compétences autour des Technologies de l'Information. Dans cet axe, elle a pu notamment : 






   contribuer amplement à la rédaction des documents officiels du Sommet Mondial pour la Société de l'information ainsi qu'à la Déclaration de la Société Civile



   Contribuer à améliorer le fonctionnement du Bureau de la Société Civile dans le process du WSIS. Les Caucuses sur la jeunesse, les sciences et la technologie sont tous dirigés par des membres de la SCASI. 



   Héberger le Bureau International sur le territoire Africain pour la première fois dans l'histoire de ce Bureau qui officie toujours depuis sa base traditionnelle de Genève



   Co-héberger le "Louder Voices Symposium" au sujet de la gouvernance Internet



   Mener des forums en ligne sur des sujets capitaux traitant de l'usage des TIC pour le développement : Priorités, Gouvernance Internet et Financement



   Mener un Forum sur la Société Civile, coup d'envoi de la seconde Conférence régionale africaine préparatoire qui s'est tenue à Accra en Janvier et Février 2005



   Organiser un forum de formation sur les processus de réglementation



   Co-organiser un Forum multipartenarial - sur le processus du WSIS



   S'engager dans la publication d'une charte pour porter au grand jour les projets de la Société Civile en vue du WSIS





Accra - Tunis



La plan d'action d’ACSIS, adoptée à Accra, offrira à la Société Civile l'opportunité d'appréhender l'efficacité de son réseau local et de développer des arguments et des résultats tangibles et concrets pour les ateliers prévus à Tunis. Ceci suppose l'organisation de cinq meetings sous-régionaux, ce qui a été vivement conseillé lors des rencontres régionales d'Accra. Ces meetings visent à impliquer très largement les acteurs locaux, à informer le plus grand nombre sur les sujets liés aux TIC, à promouvoir en permanence l'émergence d'idées nouvelles et le partage des savoirs et des expériences, à générer de nouvelles opportunités de bâtir les compétences requises et à oeuvrer pour l'implication croissante du mouvement dans toutes les organisations vouées à Internet et à la Société de l'Information.



Après Tunis



ACSIS entend mener à bien les trois plans d'actions mentionnés ci-dessus. Dans cette optique, l'approche multi-partite est certainement la plus appropriée. C'est pourquoi il est fondamental pour la Société Civile de fournir un effort considérable au quotidien. Le déploiement efficace de ICT4D ne pourra s'effectuer que via un partenariat réel avec les gouvernements, les organisations internationales, les organismes de l'ONU et les institutions privées. 



L'organisation est en marche et se structure... jusqu'à ce que ACSIS dispose de son propre secrétariat pour une meilleure coordination et efficacité de l'action, un impact plus important en terme de développement, des capacités croissantes à impliquer le réseau et une légitimité plus marquée. 



2007 - Année de la Société Civile



Avant Accra, pendant Accra et depuis Accra avons-nous appelé chacun à soutenir la déclaration de 2007 comme Année de la Société Civile. Nous continuons à oeuvrer pour cela. 



 



		
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From: tatouagedz at hotmail.com (mouheimen abdou)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:49 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] RE:
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bonjour,

from: TEBBANI
TO: Nnena

merci beaucoup pour ce message , cela va m'aider pour convincre les 
decideurs algerien pour faire quelque chose pour aider ACSIS a devenir plus 
performente et aussi a l'avant guarde pour le devellopement des TIC en 
afrique.
j'aimerai bien avoir svp les plans d'actions pour les annees 2005-2009 et 
2005-2015 ,
bonne continuation et merci pour le travail que vous faites, je vous rassure 
de mon soutient total.
Mr TEBBANI

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From Bruno.Salgues at int-evry.fr  Mon Apr 18 09:56:19 2005
From: Bruno.Salgues at int-evry.fr (Bruno SALGUES)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:49 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] digital arts group
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news announcement, in english
nouvelle annonce, en francais
spanish

Wsis
Digital arts group


>> Bienvenue dans le Groupe de Travail de la Soci?t? Civile du SMSI
>> concernant les Arts Num?riques et Alternatifs. Fort malencontreusement,
>> jusqu'? ce stade du SMSI, les Arts ont presque totalement oubli?s de la
>> D?claration et du Plan d'Action. Quel est le futur ? long terme d'une
>> Soci?t? de l'Information sans Arts ni artistes ?
>> Cette prise de conscience est d'autant plus une n?cessit? aig?e d?s lors
>> qu'on consid?re les Arts qui sont n?s de l'?volution technologique qui
>> rend possible l'existence m?me de la Soci?t? de l'Information, et qui
>> sont l'expression intras?que de ce monde nouveau en gestation. Par
>> cons?quent, il est grand temps de r?agir.
>> Le but de ce Groupe vise ? rassembler tous les acteurs concern?s de la
>> Soci?t? Civile dans un grand d?bat, ouvert, inclusif et transparent,
>> ainsi que de promouvoir des efforts coordonn?s, dans le cadre d'un
>> dialogue ouvert, amical, mondial et constructif, et dans le respect de
>> la diversit? linguistique et culturelle.
>> Le Groupe de Travail de la Soci?t? Civile du SMSI concernant les Arts
>> Num?riques et Alternatifs est en train de se constituer. Si vous ?tes
>> interess?, enregistrez vous sur la liste de courriel : arts@wtis.org.


Welcome to the WSIS Civil Society Working Group on Digital and
>> Alternative Arts. Most unfortunately up to this stage of the WSIS, the
>> Arts are almost been completely forgotten from the Declaration and the
>> Plan of Action. What is the long term future of an Information Society
>> without arts and artists ?.
>> Raising awareness is an even more acute necessity, when considering the
>> Arts that are born from the technological evolution that allows the very
>> existence of the Information Society, and which are by essence the
>> expression of the new world that is being built. Therefore, it is quite
>> the time to react.
>> The goal of this group is to gather all concerned Civil Society
>> stakeholders in a large, open, inclusive and transparent debate and to
>> promote coordinated efforts, within a friendly, open and constructive
>> worldwide dialogue and the respect of linguistic and cultural diversity.
>> The WSIS Civil Society Working Group on Digital and Alternative Arts is
>> now under formation. If interested to join, please register to mailing
>> list : arts@wtis.org.
>>

>>
>> Bienvenido en el Grupo de Trabajo de la Sociedad Civil del CMSI relativa
>> a las Artes Digitales y Alternativas. Muy desgraciadamente, hasta esta
>> fase del CMSI, las Artes estan casi completamente olvidadas de la
>> Declaraci?n y el Plan de Acci?n. Cu?l es el futuro de una Sociedad de la
>> Informaci?n sin Artes ni artistas?
>> Esta toma de conciencia es por lo tanto una grande necesidad entonces
>> que se consideran las Artes que nacieron de la evoluci?n tecnol?gica que
>> hace posible la existencia misma de la Sociedad de la Informaci?n, y que
>> esta la expresi?n intraseca de este nuevo mundo en gestaci?n. Por lo
>> tanto, debemos que reaccionar.
>> El objetivo de este grupo es de reunir todos los protagonistas de la
>> Sociedad Civil interesados en un gran debate, abierto, inclusivo y
>> transparente, as? que de promover esfuerzos coordinados, dentro de un
>> dialoga abierto, amistoso, y constructivo, y en cumplimiento de la
>> diversidad lingu?stica y cultural.
>> El grupo esta formando. Si interessado, por favor registra en la lista :
>> arts@wtis.org.
>>
>>
>>
>


Bruno SALGUES
Institut National des Telecommunications
9 rue charles Fourier
91000 EVRY

Bruno.salgues@int-evry.fr

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From mh at wacc.org.uk  Mon Apr 18 15:01:38 2005
From: mh at wacc.org.uk (Myriam Horngren)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:49 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Crisinfo.org - news ENG ESP FR [April 18, 2005]
Message-ID: <7414FB05C3419C42931F0911BE79061D4FF470@wacc-commserver.wacc.org.uk>

NEWSROOM

APC's new "Community Wireless Connectivity" project: Starting work in Africa
APC's latest initiative is looking to connect communities who don't yet have internet access by skilling them to build their own wireless networks. The project covers the development of training materials in English, French and Arabic and workshops that will be adapted for different environmental, regulatory and climatic conditions. With four regional workshops in Africa in 2005, we'll be training up to 100 possible future trainers. Plans are also afoot in Latin America and Asia-Pacific. - APCNews
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/819 


BBC to launch world's largest online multimedia archive
The BBC Creative Archives Project, first announced by the former BBC Director-General Greg Dyke at the Edinburgh TV Festival in August 2003, is set to be launched very soon. Through this initiative, millions of hours worth of radio and 500,000 television records will be made available online allowing people to download multimedia clips for non-commercial use.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/822 

U.S. ignores public interest at World Intellectual Property Organization
WASHINGTON - Free Press, the nonpartisan media reform group, today endorsed a series of proposed reforms to the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO), a U.N. organization whose mission is to "promote the protection of intellectual property throughout the world."
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/820 

Free Press blog from this week's WIPO meeting
11th April 2005: Free Press and the Consumer Project on Technology are teaming up to bring you a blow-by-blow from inside this week's important World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) meeting in Geneva.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/817 

Matrix 4 coming to a cinema near you!
What? A fan of Keanu and not aware of the latest technological feast? Don't worry, you have not lost the plot, Matrix 4 the movie does not exist. But the Matrix itself (or the Multi State Anti-terrorist Information Exchange) does. Here is an insightful essay from Herbert Docena from Focus on the Global South on the MATRIX and everything you need to know about it.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/816 

Monitor de G?nero e Pol?ticas de Tecnologias de Informa??o e Comunica??o (TICs)
PRAGA, Rep?blica Tcheca-- Formado por ativistas na ?rea de g?nero e tecnologias, o Programa de Apoio a Redes de Mulheres da APC (PARM APC) lan?ou o GenderIT.org, um novo portal sobre pol?ticas de tecnologias de informa??o e comunica??o (TICs) para mulheres e formuladoras/es de pol?ticas.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/821 

Nuevo sitio web de g?nero y pol?ticas de TIC ayuda a las mujeres a priorizar la pol?tica de TIC
Praga, Rep?blica Checa - Activistas de g?nero y tecnolog?a del PARM de APC lanzaron GenderIT.org, un nuevo portal sobre tecnolog?as de la informaci?n y la comunicaci?n (TIC) para las mujeres y los y las responsables de la formulaci?n de pol?ticas.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/818  

New Gender and ICT policy website helps women make ICT policy a priority
Prague, Czech Republic -- Gender and technology activists, the APC WNSP, have launched GenderIT.org, a new information and communications technology (ICT) policy portal for women and policy-makers.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/813 

NEWSROOM/WSIS

Compte-rendu du PrepCom-2 de la 2?me phase du SMSI
5 Avril 2005, CSDPTT
Jean Louis Fullsack d?l?gu? de CSDPTT au SMSI (Sommet Mondial de la Soci?t? de l'Information). Il s'agit d'un ?norme travail de notre d?l?gu? qui rend compte avec force d?tails et commentaires des r?unions auxquelles il a particip? durant les 2 semaines de ces gouf?rences pr?paratoires.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/814 

GET INVOLVED/TAKE ACTION

Vote for free expression blog awards
Reporters Without Borders (Reporters sans fronti?res, RSF) invites Internet-users to vote online for the best blogs that defend the right to freedom of expression. Sixty blogs have been selected as finalists in the competition.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/815 

FIRME LA CARTA DE CRIS

Nuestra visi?n de la Sociedad de la Informaci?n se fundamenta en el Derecho a Comunicar como un medio de acrecentar los derechos humanos y fortalecer la vida social, econ?mica y cultural de las personas y las comunidades. Para lograrlo, resulta fundamental que las organizaciones de la sociedad civil se unan para cooperar en la construcci?n de una sociedad de la informaci?n basada en principios de transparencia, diversidad, participaci?n, justicia social y econ?mica, e inspiradas por la equidad de g?nero y las perspectivas culturales y regionales. Lo invitamos a conocer m?s sobre la Campa?a de CRIS y a participar firmando la Carta de CRIS.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/97/ 

LA CHARTE DE CRIS

Notre vision de la ?soci?t? de l'information? est bas?e sur le droit de communiquer qui est consid?r? comme un moyen pour ?tendre les droits de l'homme et am?liorer la vie sociale, ?conomique et culturelle des personnes et des communaut?s. Pour cela, il est essentiel que les organisations de la soci?t? civile se r?unissent afin d'aider ? la construction d'une soci?t? de l'information bas?e sur les principes de transparence, de diversit?, de participation et de justice ?conomique et sociale et inspir?e par une approche ?quitable du rapport des sexes, de la culture et des aspects r?gionaux.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/95/ 

THE CRIS CHARTER

Our vision of the 'Information Society' is grounded in the Right to Communicate, as a means to enhance human rights and to strengthen the social, economic and cultural lives of people and communities. Crucial to this is that civil society organisations come together to help build an information society based on principles of transparency, diversity, participation and social and economic justice, and inspired by equitable gender, cultural and regional perspectives.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/98/ 

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From rikp at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 18 15:58:04 2005
From: rikp at earthlink.net (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:49 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] notes from alliance consultation, 11 april
Message-ID: <2cc7931b3dd185409d3665d73da1de4b@earthlink.net>

Sorry this is late.  I have been ill.

Rik Panganiban
CONGO

=======================================

Meeting on Global Alliance for ICT Development
11 April 2005
United Nations, Conference Room 5
Notes by Rik Panganiban, CONGO


The following are my notes from the consultation with civil society on 
the Global Alliance conducted by Mr. Sabruland Khan on behalf of the UN 
ICT Task Force on 11 April at the United Nations in New York.

A short proposal on the Alliance was circulated to those at the meeting.

Khan began the meeting by noting that we have a unique window of 
opportunity with several strands coming together: Millennium+5, WSIS, 
UN ICT Task Force. He commented that the Alliance must bring together a 
strong network of key stakeholders:
?	Civil society- to criticize and contribute constructively
?	Private sector- to invest and show responsibility and views
?	Governments ? to enforce and legislate, and provide enabling 
environment
?	Multi-lateral institutions - to provide platform

The process forward:
1.	The Dublin Task Force meeting will discuss the Global Alliance 
further.  There will be online opportunities to participate. The Task 
Force will prepare a proposal, which will be consulted widely.
2.	This proposal will be submitted to the UN Secretary General by 
mid-May.
3.	On 13 September there will be a roundtable on the Global Alliance in 
New York highlighting the role of technology in achieving the MDGs.
4.	The Alliance will be launched in Tunis in November

Bahiyyah Chaffers, of the Bahai, asked what will be the relationship of 
the Global Alliance to the private sector.  And what will be its 
relationship to the UN Secretary General?s Office.

Mr Khan noted that the Alliance must function under the umbrella of the 
United Nations but must be more than just a traditional UN agency.

Michael Gurstein asked how to integrate into the Global Allliance the 
several hundred thousands of community based technology projects around 
the world that don?t function like traditional NGOs. The don?t have 
resources or interest in coming into these processes.

Rik Panganiban, CONGO, delivered a statement proposing the creation a 
standing online ?observatory? of ICT development and an annual 
conference in the developing world on ICT development issues.

Veni Markovski, Internet Society Bulgaria, noted that Bulgarian 
elections will be over in June. All parties are endorsing developing 
e-government, e-governance policies. Will be a good possibility for 
building something from the ground up in partnership with the Alliance.

Cyril Ritchie noted that while the members will be accorded the same 
rights regardless of their level of contribution to the Alliance, he 
wondered if those who pay more (i.e. corporate members) will not feel 
obliged to get more out of their membership, and have more weight in 
their voice in the Alliance.

Mavic Cabrera-Balleza, International Women?s Centre, asked about how 
the Alliance will ensure active women?s participation.

Alejandra Davidziuk, Argentina Observatory, LINKS, discussed the 
challenges of stimulating debate at the national level in Argentina, 
and asked how the Alliance could foster this.

Mark Bench, World Press Freedom Committee, asked that with freedom of 
the press not existing in many parts of the world, how was there to be 
a meaningful dialogue among actors?

A representative of the Global Youth Action Network noted that young 
people should be partners in development since they are often 
innovators in the use of technology for development.

Rik Panganiban, CONGO, commented that it might be helpful to think of 
the Alliance as not ?the? alliance but as ?an? alliance of actors.  
Thus we don?t necessarily need to get caught up in whether or not every 
constituency, government, and issue area is represented.  But we only 
should see what a ?critical? number of actors getting together might 
look like, and how it might grow over time in an evolutionary way.

Dennis Gillolli, UN ICT Task Force, reminded participants that the 
Alliance proposal should be seen as part of the overall UN reform 
process.  Innovative processes have come out of the Dot-Force, the UN 
ICT Task Force and the WSIS.  This was just carrying forward the 
momentum.  Mozambique is good example of multi-stakeholder partnerships 
that generate funds, and foster democratic governance.  The Alliance 
can help bridge the
rift between development community and ICT community.



===============================================
RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations 
(CONGO)
web: http://www.ngocongo.org
email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524

* Information on the WSIS at http://www.ngocongo.org/wsis
* Information on Millennium+5 at http://www.ngocongo.org/mdg
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From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Mon Apr 18 20:42:25 2005
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:49 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] (no subject)
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 Exerpt from Rik's message concerning the "Global Alliance Meeting" in NY
"Dennis Gillolli, UN ICT Task Force, reminded participants that the 
Alliance proposal should be seen as part of the overall UN reform 
process.  Innovative processes have come out of the Dot-Force, the UN 
ICT Task Force and the WSIS.  This was just carrying forward the 
momentum.  Mozambique is good example of multi-stakeholder partnerships 
that generate funds, and foster democratic governance.  The Alliance 
can help bridge the
rift between development community and ICT community."


Dear all
First, my best wishes to Rik ; I hope he's quite well now.
Many thanks for his report on the "Global Alliance" Meeting : at least CS is informed about what it could be involved in. 
I ironically noted that Dennis Gilhooly, who was a convinced activist of telecom sector deregulation and a promoter of the neoliberal ideology that caused the "telecom/dot.com bubble" in 2000 as a leading editorialist in Communications Week International, is now "recycled" in "Global Alliance" and promotes "innovative processes" and UN reform. One other reason for me to keep cool and critical to this "innovation !
Jean-louis Fullsack
CSDPTT-France
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From fwellings at freepress.net  Wed Apr 20 19:50:38 2005
From: fwellings at freepress.net (Frannie Wellings)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Notes from US State Dept WSIS Briefing of April 19th
Message-ID: <4266A47E.7020304@freepress.net>

Hi all,

Yesterday the US Department of State held a public briefing on WSIS.  My 
notes are below.

Best,

Frannie

***
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Free Press
http://freepress.net



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US International Telecommunication Advisory Committee Information 
Meeting on the WSIS
National Academy of Science Building
Washington, DC
April 19, 2005


Ambassador David Gross:

Digital Solidarity Fund
Ambassador Gross said that the Digital Solidarity Fund exists and they 
must now deal with it - he stated that he'd worked to get the word 
"voluntary" inserted into multiple places in the text.  He continued to 
overemphasize their preference for a fund of a voluntary nature.  He 
stated, "As a proud member of the Bush Administration, my position is 
predictable - there should be no international taxation.  All funding 
should be voluntary."

WGIG
Gross encouraged industry, NGO's and academia to provide input to the 
WGIG.  He said the State Department is not interested in negotiating 
multiple times in multiple venues and would not be responding much 
more.  He's concerned that the positions of the US community (which I 
took to mean industry) would not be articulated if everyone assumed 
others were submitting positions.  He explained that the report would be 
issued on July 18th and that there would be a 1 month comment period.  
The State Dept is going to issue a notice soliciting comments to be 
filed through the WGIG when the comment period opens.  Open issues from 
the WGIG report will be dealt with at prepcom III.

Gross is concerned by the Council of the European Union's submission to 
the WGIG consultation.  He said the EU statement calls for a new model 
of governance for the core resources of the Internet, building on 
existing organizations, founded on a multilateral basis taking into 
account the public policy interests of governments.  The State 
Department is concerned that the European Union position substantially 
differs from the US, which prefers that the private sector leads.  
(Below, I've copied the European Union statement from the April 18th 
transcript for reference.)

Political Chapeau
The State Dept is concerned by the efforts to create and shape the 
Political Chapeau.  They felt that the Declaration of Principles and the 
Plan of Action were good and they say their concern is over the 
possibility of inconsistencies between the Political Chapeau and the 
older documents.  Ambassador Gross said he's been traveling a lot 
recently having bilateral discussions regarding the Chapeau to explain 
his point of view (which I took to mean lobby).


----------------

Sally Shipman:

Basic Overview of Documents
Prepcom I - Idea for Political Chapeau and Operational Part
Prepcom II - Draft Political Chapeau: compilation of proposals by 
governments in Prepcom II. The debate will take place in Prepcom III.  
The Operational Part has four chapters: 1) Implementation [US on page 
15], 2) Financing [mostly stable text], 3) Internet Governance [blank 
until after WGIG report/comment/debate], 4) The path ahead [will debate 
at Prepcom III].

Organization of Prepcom III
There will be two subcommittees: 1) Internet Governance and 2) 
Everything else

WGIG Report
She encouraged everyone to submit comments on the WGIG report - deadline 
is August 15th.

--------------

Questions

Patrice Lyons, Corporation for National Research Initiatives (CNRI)
Q: Patrice is concerned with the approach she sees in the latest WGIG 
documents that assume a fixation in the Internet, particularly what she 
sees as too much emphasis on the end-to-end principle.  She thinks this 
could prevent the Internet from evolving.
A: Ambassador Gross - Gross agrees.

Mike Nelson, IBM and Internet Society
Q: He thinks the report on financing is a good product, but was shelved, 
and he thinks the early papers of the WGIG were good, but were also 
shelved and ignored in the development of the cluster papers.  He thinks 
the cluster papers are not very good and finds them frustrating. 
A: Ambassador Gross - Gross encourages him to submit his statement so it 
is recorded.

Q: Mike asks what they know about the number of Heads of State going to 
Tunis.  He says many will be in NY in September for the Millennium 
Summit and he thinks the action might take place there. 
A: Ambassador Gross - Gross says that the Tunisians are saying many more 
Heads of State will participate, though he doesn't know if this is true. 
Gross adds that Heads of State are unlikely  to discuss tech issues in a 
fluid discussion at the Millennium Summit.

Audience member question
Q: In terms of Internet Governance, what is the best and worse case 
scenario in your opinion?  Ambassador Gross answers that this ought to 
be a positive experience. It's a job for all of us to focus it on 
stability, flexibility, robustness. He's struck by the comments of the 
EU, that to him it suggests a preference for an outcome with more 
governmental control than the US had articulated. 
A: Ambassador Gross - Gross says that the State Department doesn't want 
to maintain the status quo, but wants to build on the successes.  The 
best case scenario, he says, is that everyone agrees with the State 
Department.

Paula (Internet Society?)
Q: What will happen to the UN ICT Task Force and the Global Alliance 
proposal? 
A: Ambassador Gross - Gross describes the proposal put forward by the 
Secretary of the UN ICT Task Force for the Global Alliance and the 
history of the TF. He said there's been a robust discussion about the 
Global Alliance proposal as a follow up organization. Some have said 
there's no need and others would like the UN ICT Task Force to continue 
under this different name. There are questions about how it would fit 
and relate to existing organizations and what would be the value added?  
The US has said that the task force ought not to be the vehicle 
post-wsis, that traditional mechanisms/existing organizations are better 
suited.


---------------------

European Union Statement at the
OPEN CONSULTATIONS OF THE THIRD MEETING OF THE WORKING GROUP ON INTERNET 
GOVERNANCE
18 APRIL 2005 [morning session]
http://www.wgig.org/April-scriptmorning.html

Note: The following is the output of the real-time captioning taken 
during the morning session of the WGIG open Consultations held 18 April 
in Geneva, Switzerland. Although it is largely accurate, in some cases 
it is incomplete or inaccurate due to inaudible passages or 
transcription errors. It is posted as an aid to understanding the 
proceedings at the session, but should not be treated as an 
authoritative record.

 >>Chairman Desai: Luxembourg.
 >>Luxembourg: thank you, chair. I speak on behalf of the presidency on 
the council of the European Union.
The E.U. would like to thank the WGIG for its ongoing work on key issues 
related to the stable and secure functioning of the internet.
Among these, the question of internationalization of the management of 
the internet's core resources; namely the domain names systems, ip 
addresses, and the root server system, appears as one of the main issues 
in this debate.
The E.U. believes that a new cooperation is needed in order to confer 
the WSIS principles regarding the crucial role of all actors within 
internet governance. Including governance, the private sector, civil 
society, and international organizations.
We think that the existing internet governance mechanisms should be 
founded on a more solid, democratic, transparent, and multilateral 
basis, with a stronger emphasis on the public policy interests of all 
governments.
This new model should be based on the following principles.
It should not replace existing mechanism or institutions, but should 
build on the existing structures of internet governance, with a special 
emphasis on the complementarity between all the actors in this process. 
Governments, and, recognizing the importance of national 
responsibilities and roles. Second the new public/private cooperation 
model, should contribute to the sustainable stability and robustness of 
the internet by addressing appropriately public policy issues related to 
key elements of internet governance.
The E.U. believes that governments do have a specific mission and 
responsibility vis-a-vis their citizens and their role within this new 
corporation model should be mainly focused on issues of public policy 
excluding any involvement in the day-to-day operations.
Furthermore, the E.U. strongly reaffirms its attachment to the 
architectural principles of the internet including interoperability, 
openness and the end-to-end principle.
We therefore support the WGIG in its paper on the root zone file and the 
root zone management when it states proposals for improvements need to 
consider in general the existing system has functioned properly from the 
technical point of view for more than two decades and that adjustments 
were needed first for technical and political reasons have to be made in 
a proper and adequate way related to the functioning, stability, 
security and further development of the internet. End of quote.
This is why we encourage the WGIG to present balanced options for a true 
internationalization of the management of the internet's core resources 
in its final report.
While this statement is limited to the issue of internationalization, 
the E.U. reiterates the importance it attaches to the stability, 
dependability and robustness of the internet, including spam and network 
security.
Thank you, Chairman.





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From bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de  Thu Apr 21 01:09:17 2005
From: bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] www.worldsummit2005.org on WGIG meeting in Geneva
Message-ID: <4266EF2D.9020405@zedat.fu-berlin.de>

Hi all,

I could not really get info from inside the WGIG (the promised blogging 
and reporting-back of the CS members of WGIG is not really working), but I 
have dug through the detailed transcripts of the open consultations on 
Monday. Here is my take on it. Comments are welcome, as always.

Best, Ralf

--------------------

Internet Governance Debate Moving to Next Stage
WGIG has started to discuss recommendations

20 April 2005. The Working Group on Internet Governance has had its third 
meeting on the last three days in Geneva. The discussion is now moving 
from mapping the internet governance landscape of institutions and 
stakeholders towards assessments and recommendations. Monday?s session was 
conducted as an open consultation, yesterday and today the group was 
meeting in private. Expectedly, a few conflicts surfaced again, which 
mainly circled around the role of different stakeholders, the question of 
a new organisational framework, and the Multilateralization of the core 
Internet resources. But progress can be observed. More...

http://www.worldsummit2005.org/

From ca at rits.org.br  Thu Apr 21 09:02:42 2005
From: ca at rits.org.br (Carlos Afonso)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] www.worldsummit2005.org on WGIG meeting in
 Geneva
In-Reply-To: <4266EF2D.9020405@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
References: <4266EF2D.9020405@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <42675E22.4050007@rits.org.br>

Dear Ralph and all,

It is being real hard (at least for me) to pay attention to the 
discussions and report in [near] real time. Izumi has been able to do 
some good reporting, and I am sure Vittorio, as usual, will be doing the 
same as soon as the meeting finishes. I will try and write a summary in 
Portuguese, since Erick is doing this in Spanish on the basis of our 
reports.

frt rgds

--c.a.

Ralf Bendrath wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I could not really get info from inside the WGIG (the promised 
> blogging and reporting-back of the CS members of WGIG is not really 
> working), but I have dug through the detailed transcripts of the open 
> consultations on Monday. Here is my take on it. Comments are welcome, 
> as always.
>
> Best, Ralf
>
> --------------------
>
> Internet Governance Debate Moving to Next Stage
> WGIG has started to discuss recommendations
>
> 20 April 2005. The Working Group on Internet Governance has had its 
> third meeting on the last three days in Geneva. The discussion is now 
> moving from mapping the internet governance landscape of institutions 
> and stakeholders towards assessments and recommendations. Monday?s 
> session was conducted as an open consultation, yesterday and today the 
> group was meeting in private. Expectedly, a few conflicts surfaced 
> again, which mainly circled around the role of different stakeholders, 
> the question of a new organisational framework, and the 
> Multilateralization of the core Internet resources. But progress can 
> be observed. More...
>
> http://www.worldsummit2005.org/
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From thetha at sangonet.org.za  Thu Apr 21 06:32:27 2005
From: thetha at sangonet.org.za (THETHA)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [WSIS THETHA] THETHA - Using Creative Commons - 24 May 2005
Message-ID: <001101c54633$8163b980$0100007f@sn.apc.org>

THETHA - THE SANGONeT ICT DISCUSSION FORUM

"Using Creative Commons to Licence Publicly-funded Knowledge"

24 May 2005

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The Southern African NGO Network (SANGONeT), in collaboration with the
Association for Progressive Communications (APC), is hosting a Thetha on 24
May 2005 to discuss whether Southern African organisations should use
Creative Commons to licence the information that they produce. The Thetha
will occur in the same week (25-27 May) as the launch of Creative Commons
South Africa and an international conference hosted by the Link Centre
entitled "Commons-sense: Towards an African Digital Information Commons".
Refer to www.commons-sense.org for more information.

SANGONeT's Thetha Forums aim to provide civil society organisations (CSOs)
with an opportunity to discuss information communication technology (ICT)
issues of common concern and to learn from one another's experiences. The
forums focus specifically on the ICT challenges facing the CSO sector,
highlighting and promoting practical benefits, opportunities and lessons
learned to date.

Creative Commons is an innovative non-profit that has developed a set of
licences that people can use to mark the conditions under which their
content can be copied, distributed and shared. Some of these conditions
include reproduction for non-commercial or commercial use, and the
publication of derivative works.

More than 5 million webpages are currently licensed under the Creative
Commons banner. The success of the licence is, in part, due to the fact that
Creative Commons provides a simple way for people to encourage the type of
sharing and distributed creativity for which the web was first intended.
Using "human readable", "lawyer readable" and "machine readable" code,
Creative Commons licences enable even non-lawyers to understand how their
copyright works on the Internet.

The Creative Commons Thetha will cover the following themes:

- What is Creative Commons?
- Who is using Creative Commons to licence publicly-funded content?
- How do you use Creative Commons to licence your content?
- What next? A Southern African collaboration?

Larry Lessig, renowned author and chairman of Creative Commons will address
the issue of "licencing publicly-funded knowledge online". Other speakers
include Heather Ford and Andrew Rens of Creative Commons South Africa.

The Thetha will be held in Classroom A, Donald Gordon Building, School for
Public and Development Management, Wits University Campus at 2 St David's
Place, Parktown (09h00-13h00).

If you are interested in participating in this Thetha, please contact
Refilwe Rakhibane or Sandra Roberts at SANGONeT before 20 May 2005:

Tel: (011) 403-4935 / Fax: (011) 403-0130
E-mail: thetha@sangonet.org.za / sandra@sangonet.org.za

For more information on Thetha - The SANGONeT ICT Discussion Forum, please
visit the SANGONeT website - http://www.sangonet.org.za

For more information on the APC's Creative Commons project, please visit
http://za.creativecommons.org/commons-sense/about.htm

Participation in the Thetha is free of charge.

"Come Thetha with us"
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From: eric at civicus.org (CIVICUS)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [WSIS THETHA] CSW Monthly Bulletin provides a global forum to protect the rights of civil society
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FROM THE DESK OF THE SECRETARY-GENERAL



CSW Monthly Bulletin provides a global forum to protect the rights of civil society


By Kumi Naidoo, CIVICUS Secretary General and Chief Executive Officer
While we may welcome the rise of democratically elected governments (even though there are deep flaws in the quality of those elections including in long standing electoral democracies) in various parts of the world where civil society has played a substantial role for change, we also witness with great sadness a pattern of illiberal democracies where the right to basic civil liberties and political rights are being increasingly constrained and infringed upon. 



CIVICUS believes that a strong, active and vibrant civil society can play a crucial role in the vitality of participatory democracy and thus the need for special attention to protect civil society, especially where it comes under grave threat. The realisation that international exposure of violations and pressure on violators is an effective means to bring about change has inspired CIVICUS to monitor and disseminate information about these situations through our Civil Society Watch (CSW) Programme and through its new CSW Monthly Bulletin.



Read more at www.civicus.org/new/content/deskofthesecretarygeneral12.htm

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From bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de  Thu Apr 21 14:36:20 2005
From: bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Invitation to informal consultations on WSIS implementation mechanism,
 2 May 2005, 14-17-30 at ITU Headquarter in Geneva
Message-ID: <4267AC54.8050807@zedat.fu-berlin.de>

Just got this in my personal inbox. Not sure if it's invitation only, but 
I guess not. I can't go, but would be keen to hear about the outcomes.

Ralf

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Betreff: 	Invitation to informal consultations on WSIS implementation
mechanism, 2 May 2005, 14-17-30 at ITU Headquarter in Geneva.
Datum: 	Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:24:47 +0200
Von: 	<jaroslaw.ponder@itu.int>
An: 	<jaroslaw.ponder@itu.int>



Dear Sir/Madam,

Please, find enclosed the official invitation, agenda and registration
form for informal consultations on WSIS implementation mechanism that
will take place on 2 May 2005, 14:00-17:30 at ITU Headquarter in Geneva.

Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Sincerely,

Jaroslaw K. Ponder

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/ITU/SPU (Strategy and Policy Unit)/

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/Office: M209/

/Tel:      +41-22-730-6065 /

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From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Thu Apr 21 15:23:16 2005
From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_Kleinw=E4chter?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG
Message-ID: 
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Dear all,
 
as promised here is again another report from inside the WGIG. It is a personal report from the 3rd WGIG meeting, which ended yesterday evening and I do not speak on behalf of other members of the group. .
 
1. in the open consultation on Monday there was a strong pressure by some governments from developing countries, in particular India and Syria, to consider the establishment of an intergovenrmental body or, with regard to estimated costs of such a new body, to strengthen the role of the ITU. Chinas underlined again the principle of sovereignty but did not support a move towards ITU. The EU made a short but interesting statement, signalling that they could consider the creation of something like a public-private body for the oversight of some functions of the Internet. The US said once again, that the existing system is result of history not of conspiracy and that the US will terminate its MoU with ICANN in October 2006. But the USG was again not specific about its plans beyond 2006. It was also interesting, that the India delegate, whih was very clear and outspoken in favour of a new body. made clear, that such anew body should not interfere into the day-to-day operation of the Internet and should not deal with issues of a technical nature. Not all issues would make their way to such an organisaiton, he said, but did not specify, where he draws the line between "political" and "technical" issues. 
 
2. The Cluster Papers, published on the WGIG website, has helped to move the discussion forward and to get a better understanding of the complexity of Internet Governance. The decision taken by the WGIG in its first meeting, to develop a "broad working definition" was very helpful. So the group could go far beyond the ICANN issues. As a result of the debate - from the issue papers to the cluster papers - the members of the group started to realize, that there is an overexaggeration of the role of ICANN and the importance of the management of the core resources. The "real issues" for the users and other stakeholders are on the second and third layer - from Cybercrime and  Spam to e-Commerce and IPR . The first layer - core ressources - are more and more seen as an "enabler", which should. not be "controlled" but "protected" so that the Internet can continue to function in a stable and secure manner and could remain robust. This shift from "control" to "protection" is an important one and is more than "language". It changes the perspective with regard to the hidden but overexaggerated "power struggle". There is no so much "power" on layer one (if it is compared with the problems on layer 2,3 and 4) and the majority of the layer 1 issues are indeed of a technical nature (with a well recognized public policy dimension). 
 
3. The main critical issues on Layer 1 is the authorization of the publication of root zone files (this has first priority for the overwhelming majority within the group). Proposed improvements circle around the key words "independence" and "internaitonalization". Other Layer 1 issues are important  but not so dramatic. 
Here we have 
a.  the "stabilization" of the voluntary arrangements of the root server operators (both the 13 of the athoritative root and the 90+ of anycast); 
b. the issue of additonal allocation systems for IP addresses (which is rather controversial in the group and in my reading a majority of WGIG members reject the idea to have NIRs)
c. the procedural clarification  for the introduction of new gTLDs
d. the fomalization of arrangements between ICANN/IANA and ccTLD Registries (taking into account the recently adopted new GAC principles)
e. iDNS (here the proposal is to delegate this back to the "language families", that they continue to work this out on the basis of the ground work, done by IETF and ICANN sofar. 
The general mood is here evolution not revolution, simple not complex, minimal and maximal. 
 
4. The critical issue of Layer 2 is Spam. This discussion has shown, that there is no single body at the moment, dealing with this issue. It has also shown that national legislation is not enough to deal with Spam. There is no clear concept so far what to recommend and how to deal with this in the future. Probably a "new mechanism" will be proposed. Probably "Identity Theft" (including phishinf and pharming and spoofing) will get a similar status in the debate in the weeks ahead. The Cybercrime Convention is seen critical, but as one existing mechanisms. There was not detailed discusison sofar, how the convention could be further developed. It was also clear, that while govenrments have to take the lead in fighting misue of the Internet, all stakeholders has to become involved. 
 
5. The critical issue of Layer 3 is IPR and eCommerce. It is unclear how far WGIG should go into the terrain of WIPO and WTO and UNCITRAL, OECD, GBDe etc.). 
 
6. The critical issue of Layer 4 is capacity building, and here both access and training/education. 
 
7. With regard to "formal and informal arrangements" - Chapter 6 of the outline of the final report - there seems to be an rough consensus on the following approach:
 
7.1. establishment of a "Forum" (I call it the United Nations Internet Governance Communication Group/UNIG.cog) which could function as a discussion platform for policy development and as a wachdog. Such a Forum would not have decision making capacity (however it could recommend actions to other institutions which have decision making capacity in their special arena of responsibility). Such a forum should be  based on the principle of "multistakeholderism" and organized as a network, with a small "maultistakeholder core group" in the center of such an "Internet Spider Net". The Group could have an annual meeting under the umbrella of UN Secretary General. It could publish a annual World Internet Report. 
 
7.2 establishment of an intergovernmental oversight body for the root. This body would have a very limited mandate for decision making, mainly to authorize modifications, deletions or additions of political controversial zone files in the root. Such an body (or an "Internet Security Council") could be work on an ad hoc basis, that is it would meet only if controversial cases pop up. It could be established by the GAC, or by the UN or by interested governments.  
 
7. 3 recommendations to improve the performance and coordination of existing mechanisms
 
7.4 eventual recommendations to develop new mechanisms (probably for Spam or Identity Theft). 
 
All this is still work in progress. This report is done in my own name and I do not speak on behalf of other members of the group. So take this as my individual reflection and conclusion form the 3rd meeting. I welcome any critical remarks and input which will be helpful for the final online discussion and the offline endgame in mid June. 
 
Best regards
 
wolfgang
 
 

From ecarll at optonline.net  Thu Apr 21 16:39:01 2005
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Notes from US State Dept WSIS Briefing of April
 19th
In-Reply-To: <4266A47E.7020304@freepress.net>
Message-ID: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCMEDMJAAA.ecarll@optonline.net>

Frannie,

Thanks for the detailed summary.  Useful to hear about the US perspective.

Best regards,

Elizabeth

Dr. Elizabeth Carll
Focal Point to WSIS
International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
Chair, Media/ICT Working Group
UN NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York;
Vice President
Communications Coordination Committee for the UN
Tel: 631-754-2424
Fax: 631-754-5032
ecarll@optonline.net
  -----Original Message-----
  From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of Frannie Wellings
  Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 2:51 PM
  To: governance@lists.cpsr.org; plenary@wsis-cs.org; CRISusa@comunica.org;
mh@wacc.org.uk
  Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Notes from US State Dept WSIS Briefing of April
19th


  Hi all,

  Yesterday the US Department of State held a public briefing on WSIS.  My
notes are below.

  Best,

  Frannie

  ***
  Frannie Wellings
  Free Press
  http://freepress.net



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  US International Telecommunication Advisory Committee Information Meeting
on the WSIS
  National Academy of Science Building
  Washington, DC
  April 19, 2005


  Ambassador David Gross:

  Digital Solidarity Fund
  Ambassador Gross said that the Digital Solidarity Fund exists and they
must now deal with it - he stated that he'd worked to get the word
"voluntary" inserted into multiple places in the text.  He continued to
overemphasize their preference for a fund of a voluntary nature.  He stated,
"As a proud member of the Bush Administration, my position is predictable -
there should be no international taxation.  All funding should be
voluntary."

  WGIG
  Gross encouraged industry, NGO's and academia to provide input to the
WGIG.  He said the State Department is not interested in negotiating
multiple times in multiple venues and would not be responding much more.
He's concerned that the positions of the US community (which I took to mean
industry) would not be articulated if everyone assumed others were
submitting positions.  He explained that the report would be issued on July
18th and that there would be a 1 month comment period.  The State Dept is
going to issue a notice soliciting comments to be filed through the WGIG
when the comment period opens.  Open issues from the WGIG report will be
dealt with at prepcom III.

  Gross is concerned by the Council of the European Union's submission to
the WGIG consultation.  He said the EU statement calls for a new model of
governance for the core resources of the Internet, building on existing
organizations, founded on a multilateral basis taking into account the
public policy interests of governments.  The State Department is concerned
that the European Union position substantially differs from the US, which
prefers that the private sector leads.  (Below, I've copied the European
Union statement from the April 18th transcript for reference.)

  Political Chapeau
  The State Dept is concerned by the efforts to create and shape the
Political Chapeau.  They felt that the Declaration of Principles and the
Plan of Action were good and they say their concern is over the possibility
of inconsistencies between the Political Chapeau and the older documents.
Ambassador Gross said he's been traveling a lot recently having bilateral
discussions regarding the Chapeau to explain his point of view (which I took
to mean lobby).


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  Sally Shipman:

  Basic Overview of Documents
  Prepcom I - Idea for Political Chapeau and Operational Part
  Prepcom II - Draft Political Chapeau: compilation of proposals by
governments in Prepcom II. The debate will take place in Prepcom III.  The
Operational Part has four chapters: 1) Implementation [US on page 15], 2)
Financing [mostly stable text], 3) Internet Governance [blank until after
WGIG report/comment/debate], 4) The path ahead [will debate at Prepcom III].

  Organization of Prepcom III
  There will be two subcommittees: 1) Internet Governance and 2) Everything
else

  WGIG Report
  She encouraged everyone to submit comments on the WGIG report - deadline
is August 15th.

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  Questions

  Patrice Lyons, Corporation for National Research Initiatives (CNRI)
  Q: Patrice is concerned with the approach she sees in the latest WGIG
documents that assume a fixation in the Internet, particularly what she sees
as too much emphasis on the end-to-end principle.  She thinks this could
prevent the Internet from evolving.
  A: Ambassador Gross - Gross agrees.

  Mike Nelson, IBM and Internet Society
  Q: He thinks the report on financing is a good product, but was shelved,
and he thinks the early papers of the WGIG were good, but were also shelved
and ignored in the development of the cluster papers.  He thinks the cluster
papers are not very good and finds them frustrating.
  A: Ambassador Gross - Gross encourages him to submit his statement so it
is recorded.

  Q: Mike asks what they know about the number of Heads of State going to
Tunis.  He says many will be in NY in September for the Millennium Summit
and he thinks the action might take place there.
  A: Ambassador Gross - Gross says that the Tunisians are saying many more
Heads of State will participate, though he doesn't know if this is true.
Gross adds that Heads of State are unlikely  to discuss tech issues in a
fluid discussion at the Millennium Summit.

  Audience member question
  Q: In terms of Internet Governance, what is the best and worse case
scenario in your opinion?  Ambassador Gross answers that this ought to be a
positive experience. It's a job for all of us to focus it on stability,
flexibility, robustness. He's struck by the comments of the EU, that to him
it suggests a preference for an outcome with more governmental control than
the US had articulated.
  A: Ambassador Gross - Gross says that the State Department doesn't want to
maintain the status quo, but wants to build on the successes.  The best case
scenario, he says, is that everyone agrees with the State Department.

  Paula (Internet Society?)
  Q: What will happen to the UN ICT Task Force and the Global Alliance
proposal?
  A: Ambassador Gross - Gross describes the proposal put forward by the
Secretary of the UN ICT Task Force for the Global Alliance and the history
of the TF. He said there's been a robust discussion about the Global
Alliance proposal as a follow up organization. Some have said there's no
need and others would like the UN ICT Task Force to continue under this
different name. There are questions about how it would fit and relate to
existing organizations and what would be the value added?  The US has said
that the task force ought not to be the vehicle post-wsis, that traditional
mechanisms/existing organizations are better suited.


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  European Union Statement at the
  OPEN CONSULTATIONS OF THE THIRD MEETING OF THE WORKING GROUP ON INTERNET
GOVERNANCE
  18 APRIL 2005 [morning session]
  http://www.wgig.org/April-scriptmorning.html

  Note: The following is the output of the real-time captioning taken during
the morning session of the WGIG open Consultations held 18 April in Geneva,
Switzerland. Although it is largely accurate, in some cases it is incomplete
or inaccurate due to inaudible passages or transcription errors. It is
posted as an aid to understanding the proceedings at the session, but should
not be treated as an authoritative record.

  >>Chairman Desai: Luxembourg.
  >>Luxembourg: thank you, chair. I speak on behalf of the presidency on the
council of the European Union.
  The E.U. would like to thank the WGIG for its ongoing work on key issues
related to the stable and secure functioning of the internet.
  Among these, the question of internationalization of the management of the
internet's core resources; namely the domain names systems, ip addresses,
and the root server system, appears as one of the main issues in this
debate.
  The E.U. believes that a new cooperation is needed in order to confer the
WSIS principles regarding the crucial role of all actors within internet
governance. Including governance, the private sector, civil society, and
international organizations.
  We think that the existing internet governance mechanisms should be
founded on a more solid, democratic, transparent, and multilateral basis,
with a stronger emphasis on the public policy interests of all governments.
  This new model should be based on the following principles.
  It should not replace existing mechanism or institutions, but should build
on the existing structures of internet governance, with a special emphasis
on the complementarity between all the actors in this process. Governments,
and, recognizing the importance of national responsibilities and roles.
Second the new public/private cooperation model, should contribute to the
sustainable stability and robustness of the internet by addressing
appropriately public policy issues related to key elements of internet
governance.
  The E.U. believes that governments do have a specific mission and
responsibility vis-a-vis their citizens and their role within this new
corporation model should be mainly focused on issues of public policy
excluding any involvement in the day-to-day operations.
  Furthermore, the E.U. strongly reaffirms its attachment to the
architectural principles of the internet including interoperability,
openness and the end-to-end principle.
  We therefore support the WGIG in its paper on the root zone file and the
root zone management when it states proposals for improvements need to
consider in general the existing system has functioned properly from the
technical point of view for more than two decades and that adjustments were
needed first for technical and political reasons have to be made in a proper
and adequate way related to the functioning, stability, security and further
development of the internet. End of quote.
  This is why we encourage the WGIG to present balanced options for a true
internationalization of the management of the internet's core resources in
its final report.
  While this statement is limited to the issue of internationalization, the
E.U. reiterates the importance it attaches to the stability, dependability
and robustness of the internet, including spam and network security.
  Thank you, Chairman.







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From Bill.McIver at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca  Thu Apr 21 17:01:09 2005
From: Bill.McIver at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca (Bill McIver)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] General Applicability of Open Source Methods
Message-ID: <4267CE45.80901@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>


All,

There is an interesting new report from Demos in the UK
on the use of Open Source methods beyond software development.

http://www.demos.co.uk/catalogue/wideopen/

(A PDF is available for download)


WJM


Abstract

The rise of the Internet has made it possible for knowledge to be 
created and shared in ways that emphasise its character as a common 
good, rather than as something to be owned.

In the world of open source programming, the computer software is 
distributed under licence, allowing users to change or share the 
software's source code - the human readable version of a computer programme.

This open and collaborative approach to creating knowledge has produced 
remarkable results, such as the Linux operating system and the web-based 
encyclopaedia Wikipedia. In defiance of the conventional wisdom of 
modern business, open source methods have led the main underlying 
innovations around the Internet.

Other fields have much to learn from open source methods - because they 
bring principles and working methods which can help to produce better 
knowledge, goods or services, or make them available on more widely 
beneficial terms.

 From the formulation of public policy to more open forms of academic 
peer review, setting up mutual support groups for people facing similar 
health problems to collaborative forms of social innovation, the 
principles of open source promise to radically alter the we approach 
complex social problems.

The future potential of these methods is such that they will soon become 
commonplace in our lives. Just as it is now impossible to think about 
getting things done without considering the role of the Internet, so 
will it soon be impossible to think about how to solve a large social 
problem without considering the role of open methods.

*Geoff Mulgan* is Director of the Young Foundation and former Head of 
Policy in the Prime Minister's Office. *Tom Steinberg* is Director of 
mySociety and is currently a fellow at the Young Foundation. *Omar 
Salem* is a student at Oxford University and an intern at the Young 
Foundation.





-- 
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From ecarll at optonline.net  Thu Apr 21 16:57:40 2005
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] www.worldsummit2005.org on WGIG meeting in Geneva
In-Reply-To: <4266EF2D.9020405@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCGEDNJAAA.ecarll@optonline.net>

Hi Ralf,

Thanks for the inside view.  You mentioned progress taking place.  Perhaps you could outline some specifics. 

What may be helpful for this meeting as well as others would be an update or summary of itemized areas of progress and specific areas where progress needs to take place. These could also possibly be keyed to declaration/document bench marks While there have been previous reports that have mentioned some of this, I am thinking of a much more formal type of template, which would make it easier to track large quantities of information/changes in many content/process areas.

If such a summary (brief) template could be published for each important meeting, it would be very useful to keep all CS members current on a wide range of issues, especially those which they may not typically be following.

Just a suggestion.

Elizabeth

Dr. Elizabeth Carll
Focal Point to WSIS
International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
Chair, Media/ICT Working Group
UN NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York;
Vice President
Communications Coordination Committee for the UN
Tel: 631-754-2424
Fax: 631-754-5032
ecarll@optonline.net

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of Ralf Bendrath
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:09 PM
To: wsis-cs-plenary; WSIS Internet Governance Caucus
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] www.worldsummit2005.org on WGIG meeting in
Geneva


Hi all,

I could not really get info from inside the WGIG (the promised blogging 
and reporting-back of the CS members of WGIG is not really working), but I 
have dug through the detailed transcripts of the open consultations on 
Monday. Here is my take on it. Comments are welcome, as always.

Best, Ralf

--------------------

Internet Governance Debate Moving to Next Stage
WGIG has started to discuss recommendations

20 April 2005. The Working Group on Internet Governance has had its third 
meeting on the last three days in Geneva. The discussion is now moving 
from mapping the internet governance landscape of institutions and 
stakeholders towards assessments and recommendations. Monday?s session was 
conducted as an open consultation, yesterday and today the group was 
meeting in private. Expectedly, a few conflicts surfaced again, which 
mainly circled around the role of different stakeholders, the question of 
a new organisational framework, and the Multilateralization of the core 
Internet resources. But progress can be observed. More...

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From Bill.McIver at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca  Thu Apr 21 17:07:17 2005
From: Bill.McIver at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca (Bill McIver)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] European Parliament Software Patents Directive
Message-ID: <4267CFB5.9090302@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>

All,

Rapporteur Michel Rocard's views on the issue are here
http://wiki.ffii.org/Rocard050413En .


French and English versions are available.




WJM

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From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] FW: Invitation to informal consultations on WSIS implementation mechanism, 2 May 2005, 14-17-30 at ITU Headquarter in Geneva.
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From Mueller at syr.edu  Thu Apr 21 20:31:53 2005
From: Mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG
Message-ID: <s267c787.016@gwia201.syr.edu>

Wolfgang:
Thanks so much for the valuable insight into the discussions and issues
being considered by the WGIG. It takes a long time to write this stuff
out so we are indebted to your effort. 

Some quick reactions from me (speaking only for myself and not on
behalf of the US government, Cuba, my mother, God nor any minor deities
in the pantheon):

>>> wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de 4/21/2005 10:23:16
AM >>>
>As a result of the debate - from the issue papers to the 
>cluster papers - the members of the group started to realize, 
>that there is an overexaggeration of the role of ICANN and 
>the importance of the management of the core resources. 

This could be true or false, depending on what was meant. ICANN is
important as an attempt to develop a new, multistakeholder system of
global governance, as opposed to territorial governance. So, does this
realization mean that the national governments have accepted the need
for forms of global governance that transcend themselves?  It is also
important because the "core resources" can be (and are now) used as
levers to control other policy areas. So, does this realization mean
that there is consensus that the core resources should not be so used? I
hope so, but would be astounded if thinking had progressed that far that
fast.

>The "real issues" for the users and other stakeholders are on 
>the second and third layer - from Cybercrime and  Spam to 
>e-Commerce and IPR . 

As an aside, I continue to choke on the "layer" framework WGIG has
insisted on adopting, apparently in an attempt to sound technical but in
fact demonstrating that they do not understand actual standardized layer
models based on technical concepts. The decision to invent one that is
not coherently based on technical, legal, or any other known structural
principle, and which invites comparison with existing standardized layer
models, causes confusion...so I have replaced all reference to "layers"
in the discussion below.

>The [resource assignment and allocation functions] are more and more 
>seen as an "enabler", which should. not be "controlled" but 
>"protected" so that the Internet can continue to function 
>in a stable and secure manner and could remain robust. 

This sounds good. If it means what I think it does, it represents real
progress. But what does it mean  institutionally? Protected from what?
Protected by whom? 

>There is not so much "power" on [management of core resources] 
>(if it is compared with the problems [stemming from use of the
Internet]

Wrong, unfortunately. There is a lot of power there, especially to do
mischief. In order to avoid that, one must have institutionalized
"protections." 
 
>3. The main critical issues [in resource allocation and assignment] 
>is the authorization of the publication of root zone files (this has 
>first priority for the overwhelming majority within the group). 
>Proposed improvements circle around the key words "independence" 
>and "internaitonalization". 

Of course, this is inconsistent with everything you have said so far
about the unimportance of the resource assignment and allocation
functions. And there is a big difference between "independent" and
"internationalized," although I could understand if, in the existing
system of states, more internationalized institutional arrangements were
perceived as more "independent." 

>a.  the "stabilization" of the voluntary arrangements of the 
>root server operators (both the 13 of the athoritative root 
>and the 90+ of anycast); 

Would be nice to get a definition of "stabilization." As you know,
Wolfgang, "stability," like "security," is a frequently-abused term in
this policy domain.

>b. the issue of additonal allocation systems for IP addresses 
>(which is rather controversial in the group and in my reading 
>a majority of WGIG members reject the idea to have NIRs)

But it doesn't really matter, right, no real power there, huh.  ;-)

>c. the procedural clarification  for the introduction of new gTLDs

"Clarification" seems a weak term. "Definition?" Progress?

>d. the fomalization of arrangements between ICANN/IANA 
>and ccTLD Registries (taking into account the recently adopted 
>new GAC principles)

Any interest in the proposal to coordinate that function across
ITU/ICANN? Giving ccTLD managers a choice? 

>5. The critical issue of [Internet usage] is IPR and eCommerce. 
>It is unclear how far WGIG should go into the terrain of WIPO and 
>WTO and UNCITRAL, OECD, GBDe etc.). 

It is perfectly clear that the WGIG must address those areas in which
IPR protection conflicts or overlaps with other areas of Internet
governance, such as Whois (privacy), domain name trademark conflicts
(free expression), software patents (standardization), cybercrime, etc.
It is perfectly clear that the WGIG's definition of Internet governance
includes IPR insofar as it affects usage of the Internet or
Internet-distributed objects. 

Please, don't tell me you are accepting the IPR lobby's line that the
current regime of IPR protection must remain off-limits. The argument is
patently self-serving, and is designed to maintain the dominance of IPR
holders over this policy domain. 

Another bizarre aspect of your statement above is that OECD and GBDe do
not have any specific policy domain, they are basically research and
discussion organizations that can address ANY policy issue. So if WGIG
cannot touch their "territory" it cannot touch anything. 
 
>6. The critical issue of Layer 4 is capacity building, and here 
>both access and training/education. 

I cannot even remember what "Layer 4" is supposed to be, so I won't
replace it with something sensible. 
 
>7.1. establishment of a "Forum" (I call it the United Nations 
>Internet Governance Communication Group/UNIG.cog) which 
>could function as a discussion platform for policy development 
>and as a wachdog. Such a Forum would not have decision 
>making capacity (however it could recommend actions to other 
>institutions which have decision making capacity in their special 
>arena of responsibility). Such a forum should be  based on the 
>principle of "multistakeholderism" and organized as a network, 
>with a small "maultistakeholder core group" in the center of such 
>an "Internet Spider Net". The Group could have an annual meeting 
>under the umbrella of UN Secretary General. It could publish a 
>annual World Internet Report. 

How does this relate to the "Global Alliance" concept?
 
>7.2 establishment of an intergovernmental oversight body 
>for the root. This body would have a very limited mandate 
>for decision making, mainly to authorize modifications, deletions 
>or additions of political controversial zone files in the root. Such 
>an body (or an "Internet Security Council") could be work on an 
>ad hoc basis, that is it would meet only if controversial cases pop 
>up. It could be established by the GAC, or by the UN or by 
>interested governments.  

This strikes me as a dangerous approach, despite your call for a "very
limited mandate." The problem is that you need agreed principles, norms
and rules regarding the Internet that would constrain such a body.
Otherwise you have created a potentially political body that could
intervene at will. The idea that such a thing could be established by
the GAC, which has shown a propensity to intervene in the most minute
aspects of ICANN activities, is scary.
 
>7. 3 recommendations to improve the performance and 
>coordination of existing mechanisms

Sounds good, see my comments about WIPO above. 
 


From Mueller at syr.edu  Thu Apr 21 21:59:30 2005
From: Mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Reminder of IGP online meeting
Message-ID: <s267dc00.043@gwia201.syr.edu>

The online conference for discussion of ICANN reformwill take place
tomorrow, 22 April (Friday)
* New York (EST, USA) Fri 10:00 AM
* Rio de Janeiro, Brazil Fri 11:00 AM
* Berlin, Fri 4:00 PM
* Hong Kong Fri 10:00 PM

 Program:
 Introduction: Derrick L. Cogburn, Syracuse University School of Info.
Studies
 1. Professors Hans Klein (Georgia Tech U.) and M. Mueller (Syracuse
University): Presentation of "What to do about ICANN" Paper 10 minutes 
http://dcc.syr.edu/igp-home.htm 

 2. Discussants:
    a. Written comments from Carlos Afonso, RITS, WGIG, 3 min.
    b. Tom Vest, Packet Clearing House, 5 min.
    c. Richard Hill, ITU-T, 5 min.
    d. ICANN representative (invited), 5 min.

 3. Open discussion from participants: 30-60 minutes. Moderator:
Derrick L. Cogburn

 To join the session, please click here, within 60 minutes of the start
time:
 http://cotelco-server.syr.edu:8080/meeting_login.html?meeting_id=13780


 If this is the first time you will be using the software, you can
pre-configure your system by going to the support page:
http://cotelco-server.syr.edu:8080/support.html 

Please make sure your computer has a microphone and speakers to be able
to talk and hear while you are in the session.



From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Thu Apr 21 22:08:46 2005
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Invitation to informal consultations on WSIS
 implementation mechanism, 2 May 2005, 14-17-30 at ITU Headquarter in Geneva
Message-ID: <17113724.1114117726743.JavaMail.www@wwinf1314>

Thanks Ralf for this information
I'll stay in the Geneva region from next Sunday on and could attend this meeting if it's open.
I'll get somme complementary info at ITU directly, next week 
Best regards
Jean-Louis Fullsack
BTW : did you receive my short report on the last EP Session ? 





> Message du 21/04/05 15:39
> De : "Ralf Bendrath" 
> A : "wsis-cs-plenary" 
> Copie ? : 
> Objet : [WSIS CS-Plenary] Invitation to informal consultations on WSIS implementation mechanism, 2 May 2005, 14-17-30 at ITU Headquarter in Geneva
> 
> Just got this in my personal inbox. Not sure if it's invitation only, but 
> I guess not. I can't go, but would be keen to hear about the outcomes.
> 
> Ralf
> 
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Betreff: Invitation to informal consultations on WSIS implementation
> mechanism, 2 May 2005, 14-17-30 at ITU Headquarter in Geneva.
> Datum: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:24:47 +0200
> Von: 
> An: 
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Sir/Madam,
> 
> Please, find enclosed the official invitation, agenda and registration
> form for informal consultations on WSIS implementation mechanism that
> will take place on 2 May 2005, 14:00-17:30 at ITU Headquarter in Geneva.
> 
> Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Jaroslaw K. Ponder
> 
> /---------------------------------------------------------/
> 
> /ITU/SPU (Strategy and Policy Unit)/
> 
> /International Telecommunication Union /
> 
> /Place des Nations/
> 
> /CH-1211 Geneva 20/
> 
> /SWITZERLAND/
> 
> /Office: M209/
> 
> /Tel: +41-22-730-6065 /
> 
> /Fax: +41-22-730-6453/
> 
> /Email: Jaroslaw.Ponder@itu.int/
> 
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> [ WG-WSISconsultations2May.doc (305.6 Ko) ]
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From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Fri Apr 22 07:18:45 2005
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] FW: Invitation to informal consultations on
 WSIS implementation mechanism, 2 May 2005, 14-17-30 at ITU Headquarter in
 Geneva.
Message-ID: <13882859.1114150725449.JavaMail.www@wwinf1306>

Dear Renata and all
This meeting is hold in english exclusively. It is therefore not qualified as "to assess the views of a representative sample of WSIS stakeholders" , unless "representative" means implicitely "english speaking". 
However, I'll do my best to be there.
Best regards
Jean-Louis Fullsack 





> Message du 21/04/05 21:23
> De : "Renata Bloem" 
> A : Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Copie ? : 
> Objet : [WSIS CS-Plenary] FW: Invitation to informal consultations on WSIS implementation mechanism, 2 May 2005, 14-17-30 at ITU Headquarter in Geneva.
> 
> 
Hi all,
Just back from Nairobi, found this in my mailbox.
Renata



From: jaroslaw.ponder@itu.int [mailto:jaroslaw.ponder@itu.int] 
> Sent: jeudi, 21. avril 2005 15:42
> To: jaroslaw.ponder@itu.int
> Subject: Invitation to informal consultations on WSIS implementation mechanism, 2 May 2005, 14-17-30 at ITU Headquarter in Geneva. 
 
> Dear Sir/Madam, 
> Please, find enclosed the official invitation, agenda and registration form for informal consultations on WSIS implementation mechanism that will take place on 2 May 2005, 14:00-17:30 at ITU Headquarter in Geneva. 
> Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me. 
> Sincerely, 
> Jaroslaw K. Ponder
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> ITU/SPU (Strategy and Policy Unit)
> International Telecommunication Union  
> Place des Nations
> CH-1211 Geneva 20
> SWITZERLAND
> Office: M209
> Tel:      +41-22-730-6065 
> Fax:     +41-22-730-6453
> Email:  Jaroslaw.Ponder@itu.int
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> <> 
>
> [ WG-WSIS consultations 2 May.doc (305.2 Ko) ]
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From mjr at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Apr 22 08:24:04 2005
From: mjr at dsl.pipex.com (MJ Ray)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Reminder of IGP online meeting
In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 21 Apr 2005 16:59:30 -0400 
	<s267dc00.043@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s267dc00.043@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <E1DOsWC-0004uC-00@pipe.localnet>

Milton Mueller wrote:
> The online conference for discussion of ICANN reformwill take place
> tomorrow, 22 April (Friday)

Over a week ago, I asked how one can participate in this conference.
I'm pretty sure I asked the cotelco-server's webmaster in the past.
I have had no reply. Not even "sorry, we use protocols foo and fnarf".

Well, that's a great way to ensure some interventions are not heard.
Just ignore requests for access to the conference!

I am not a client of Sun Microsystems and do not wish to be. I
view a virtual conference which requires licensing software
from a particular company as roughly equivalent to restricting
which transport companies can be used to gain access to a
conference. "You came on foot? No badge for you!"

Why is it acceptable to dictate suppliers to WSIS-CS actors?

-- 
MJR/slef
http://www.affs.org.uk/~mjr/


From nne75 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 22 09:50:51 2005
From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ACSIS in the Democratic Republic of  Congo (Msg from Baudoin)
In-Reply-To: <LYRIS-44120-1755045-2005.04.21-11.01.23--nne75#yahoo.com@lyris.bellanet.org>
Message-ID: <20050422085051.335.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com>


   June 2004 : Beginning of the Congolese Civil Society for the Information Society
   October 2004: Establishment of the National Network of NGOs for the Promotion of ICT abbreviated as REPRONTIC(Réseau national des Ong pour la Promotion des NTIC en RDCongo)
   January 2005 : Multi-sector Round table on ICT in DRC
   February 2005: The Congolese Civil Society for the Information Society Initiative becomes the Multi-sectorial  Initiative for ICT abbreviated as DMTIC - DYNAMIQUE MULTISECTORIELLE POUR LES TIC
   February 2005: Regional Francophone Forum on ICT : http://wsisdrc.gn.apc.org
   REPRONTIC and DMICT have succeded in mobilising other stakeholders namely the government and the private sector

REPRONTIC is a facilitating network for the use of ICT in all sectors in life for maximum benefits of persons.  Its members is over 61 NGOs

REPRONTIC and DMICT are part of the big ACSIS Family
 
SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN
COORDONNATEUR NATIONAL ACSIS/RDC 
 
x-x-x--x-x-x--x-x--x-x-x--x-
 
 
ACSIS en République Démocratique du Congo
 
-Juin 2004:creation de la dynamique de la société civile congolaise pour une société de l'information
-Octobre 2004:mise en place du Réseau national des Ong pour la Promotion des NTIC en RDCongo, en sigle REPRONTIC
-Janvier 2005:table ronde multisectorielle sur les TIC en RDC
-Février 2005: la dynamique de la société civile congolaise pour la société de l'information devient la DYNAMIQUE MULTISECTORIELLE POUR LES TIC, en sigle DMTIC
-Février 2005:forum regional francophone sur les TIC(voir http://wsisdrc.gn.apc.org)
-le Reprontic et la DMTIC sont arrivés à activer les autres acteurs notamment:le gouvernement et le secteur privé:
 
Le Reprontic est un réseau facilitateur pour l'usage des TIC dans tous les secteurs de la vie au bénéfice du plus grand nombre.
Il compte actuellement plus de 61 Ong au niveau national.
 
le Reprontic et la DMTIC font partie de la grande famille ACSIS
 
SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN
COORDONNATEUR NATIONAL ACSIS/RDC 
 


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From jeanette at wz-berlin.de  Fri Apr 22 10:27:16 2005
From: jeanette at wz-berlin.de (Jeanette Hofmann)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [Fwd: Multilingualism in Cyberspace Conference Organized by UNESCO
 and Partners in Bamako, Mali, 6-7 May 2005]
Message-ID: <4268C374.9010206@wz-berlin.de>

Hi, all, pls find below an invitation to a thematic meeting organized by 
UNESCO as part of the second phase of WSIS.


Ms Elizabeth Longworth, Director of the Information Society Division,
asked me to inform you about the conference on "Multilingualism for
Cultural Diversity and Participation of All in Cyberspace" that UNESCO
is organizing in Bamako, Mali, on 6 and 7 May 2005, in partnership with
the African Academy of Languages (ACALAN), the Agence
Intergouvernementale de la Francophonie (AIF) and the Government of
Mali, as a thematic meeting in preparation for the second phase of the
World Summit on the Information Society.

The Conference builds on the recognition of the importance of cultural
and linguistic diversity in the digital world and will highlight the
fundamental importance of removing barriers to access and participation
of all on the Internet.

The meeting will draw on the expertise of all stakeholders, including
governments, international, regional and national organizations,
academic, scientific and professional communities, non-governmental
organizations and other actors. It will identify and present concrete
actions in the area of linguistic diversity that governmental and
non-governmental players can implement, both on the policy and
application level, to achieve a multilingual cyberspace.

The discussions will focus on multilingualism from two perspectives:
policies and standards needed to ensure inclusive knowledge societies;
and global experiences in building a multilingual cyberspace.

The meeting is open for the participation of experts from governments,
international organizations, academia, the private sector and civil
society.

The results of the meeting will be disseminated at international fora
and will be made available to the participants of the second phase of
WSIS in Tunis through a Report, including recommendations on the
implementation of activities in the field of linguistic diversity in
cyberspace, as advocated in the WSIS Action Plan.

The event is one of UNESCO's thematic meetings in preparation for the
second meeting of the World Summit on the Information Society (Tunis,
Tunisia, 16-18 November 2005). Other meetings - all contributions to
operationalizing the Organization's concept of "Knowledge Societies -
that have already been or will be organized this year, include a meeting
on "Freedom of Expression in Cyberspace" (3-4 February 2005, UNESCO
Headquarters, Paris, France); "ICTs for Capacity-Building: Critical
Success Factors" (11-13 May 2005, UNESCO Headquarters, Paris, France)
and "Cultural Diversity" (17-19 May 2005, St. Petersburg, Russian
Federation).

The Conference website is
http://www.unesco.org/wsis/meetings/multilingualism

With best regards,

Elena Iasyreva
Information Society Division
Communication and Information Sector
UNESCO
1, rue Miollis - 75732 Paris
Tel.: + 33.1 45 68 37 90
Fax: + 33.1 45 68 55 82



From jacqueline.morris at gmail.com  Fri Apr 22 13:01:57 2005
From: jacqueline.morris at gmail.com (Jacqueline Morris)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [governance] Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG
In-Reply-To: <s267c787.014@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s267c787.014@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <131293a205042205017dba8681@mail.gmail.com>

Just one quick point - there may be a language issue here, but the
WGIG does not refer  to "layers" but "clusters" of issues. There has
never been a "decision to invent one that is
not coherently based on technical, legal, or any other known
structural principle"
The clusters are groupings of issues based on the following:

1.	Issues relating to infrastructural issues and the management of
critical Internet resources, including administration of the domain
name system and IP addresses, administration of the Root server
system, technical standards, peering and inter-connection,
telecommunications infrastructure including innovative and con-verged
technologies, as well as multilingualization.  These issues are
matters of direct relevance to Internet Governance falling within the
ambit of existing organisations with responsibility for these matters.

Issues:

(a)	Physical and Secured infrastructure 
?	Telecommunications infrastructure, broadband access
?	VoIP
?	Peering and interconnection
?	Spectrum policy
?	Technical standards

(b)	Logical infrastructure
?	Administration of Internet names 
?	Administration of IP addresses
?	Administration of root server system
?	Multilingualization of Internet naming systems

2.	Issues relating to the use of the Internet, including spam, network
security, and cybercrime.  While these issues are directly related to
Internet Governance, the nature of global cooperation required is not
well defined.

Issues:
?	Spam
?	Cybersecurity, cybercrime
?	Security of network and information systems
?	Critical infrastructure protection
?	Applicable jurisdiction, cross border coordination
?	Exemption for ISPs of third party liabilities
?	National policies & regulations

3.	Issues which are relevant to the Internet, but with impact much
wider than the Internet, where there are existing organisations
responsible for these issues, such as IPR or international trade. The
WGIG started examining the extent to which these matters are being
handled consistently with the Declaration of Principles.

Issues:
?	Competition policy, liberalization, privatization, regulations
?	Consumer, user protection, privacy
?	Electronic authentication
?	Unlawful content and practices
?	Access protection
?	Intellectual property rights
?	Dispute resolution
?	E-commerce and taxation of e-commerce
?	E-Government and privacy
?	Freedom of information and media

4.	Issues relating to developmental aspects of Internet governance, in
particular capacity building in developing countries, gender issues
and other access concerns.

Issues:
?	Affordable & universal access
?	Education, human capacity building 
?	Internet leased line costs
?	National infrastructure development
?	Cultural and linguistic diversity
?	Social dimensions and inclusion
?	Open-source and free software
?	Content accessibility


> As an aside, I continue to choke on the "layer" framework WGIG has
> insisted on adopting, apparently in an attempt to sound technical but in
> fact demonstrating that they do not understand actual standardized layer
> models based on technical concepts. The decision to invent one that is
> not coherently based on technical, legal, or any other known structural
> principle, and which invites comparison with existing standardized layer
> models, causes confusion...so I have replaced all reference to "layers"
> in the discussion below.

________________________________________
Jacqueline Morris
www.carnivalondenet.com
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From hans.klein at pubpolicy.gatech.edu  Fri Apr 22 14:26:20 2005
From: hans.klein at pubpolicy.gatech.edu (Hans Klein)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [governance] Reminder of IGP online meeting
In-Reply-To: <s267dc00.031@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s267dc00.031@gwia201.syr.edu>
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>The instructions for logging in to this morning's online conference are here:
>  http://cotelco-server.syr.edu:8080/meeting_login.html?meeting_id=13780

HK



At 04:59 PM 4/21/2005, Milton Mueller wrote:
>The online conference for discussion of ICANN reformwill take place
>tomorrow, 22 April (Friday)
>* New York (EST, USA) Fri 10:00 AM
>* Rio de Janeiro, Brazil Fri 11:00 AM
>* Berlin, Fri 4:00 PM
>* Hong Kong Fri 10:00 PM
>
>  Program:
>  Introduction: Derrick L. Cogburn, Syracuse University School of Info.
>Studies
>  1. Professors Hans Klein (Georgia Tech U.) and M. Mueller (Syracuse
>University): Presentation of "What to do about ICANN" Paper 10 minutes
>http://dcc.syr.edu/igp-home.htm
>
>  2. Discussants:
>     a. Written comments from Carlos Afonso, RITS, WGIG, 3 min.
>     b. Tom Vest, Packet Clearing House, 5 min.
>     c. Richard Hill, ITU-T, 5 min.
>     d. ICANN representative (invited), 5 min.
>
>  3. Open discussion from participants: 30-60 minutes. Moderator:
>Derrick L. Cogburn
>
>  To join the session, please click here, within 60 minutes of the start
>time:
>  http://cotelco-server.syr.edu:8080/meeting_login.html?meeting_id=13780
>
>
>  If this is the first time you will be using the software, you can
>pre-configure your system by going to the support page:
>http://cotelco-server.syr.edu:8080/support.html
>
>Please make sure your computer has a microphone and speakers to be able
>to talk and hear while you are in the session.
>
>
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From baptista at cynikal.net  Sat Apr 23 01:40:34 2005
From: baptista at cynikal.net (Joe Baptista)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [governance] Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG
In-Reply-To: <131293a205042205017dba8681@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s267c787.014@gwia201.syr.edu> <131293a205042205017dba8681@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200504222040.34845.baptista@cynikal.net>

On April 22, 2005 08:01 am, Jacqueline Morris wrote:

> 1.	Issues relating to infrastructural issues and the management of
> critical Internet resources, including administration of the domain
> name system and IP addresses, administration of the Root server
> system, technical standards, peering and inter-connection,
> telecommunications infrastructure including innovative and con-verged
> technologies, as well as multilingualization.  These issues are
> matters of direct relevance to Internet Governance falling within the
> ambit of existing organisations with responsibility for these matters.

I disagree with your statement above which claims the dns, root and IP 
addresses are under anyones administration.  The existing administration is 
fictitional and based on the relationships established during the original 
experiment which created the internet.

The existing administration is also subject to consent.  They can be easily 
dismissed.

Ultimate control of the DNS resides with end users and ISPs.  They are the 
stakeholders who decide the root they see.

IP addresses are under the control of organizations subject to national law.  
They registries have no control over IP numbers except to administer a 
database.  IP numbers can be nationalized if a country so deems it necessary.  
Routing of IP is under the control of ISPs and backbone providers who must 
obey the local laws.

Roots are everybodies business.  DNS and root services provide the most 
important aspect of internet infrstructure.  Almost everything you do is DNS 
based.  You want security - you want fast uninterrupted service - you run a 
root mirror for your organization or ISP.

regards
joe baptista
www.joebaptista.com

From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Sat Apr 23 10:10:19 2005
From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_Kleinw=E4chter?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: AW: [governance] Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG
Message-ID: 
 <ACADB74FBBEFD94795A03FDBBDE62D3727C75B@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>

Sorry I am responsible for the confusion. I used the "layer" terminology in my report. It has to be, as Jaqueline has sid, "cluster". My understanding of the "Clusters" is that they are not lyers but like circles in a spider net, another term which was introduced by one WGIG member in the debate. 
 
Best
 
w
  

________________________________

Von: Jacqueline Morris [mailto:jacqueline.morris@gmail.com]
Gesendet: Sa 23.04.2005 04:13
An: Joe Baptista
Cc: plenary@wsis-cs.org; Milton Mueller; Wolfgang Kleinw?chter; governance@lists.cpsr.org
Betreff: Re: [governance] Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG



Correction - I did not claim or state anything myself. This is  the
issue cluster definition of the WGIG.  Comments on this should go to
the WGIG at wgig@unog.ch for them to be considered by the WGIG. Some
of the points that you raise here are also raised in some of the WGIG
working papers on the clusters, available at
http://www.wgig.org/April-Working-Papers.html
I posted the cluster definitions so that the misconception of "layers"
could be corrected, and also since the previous poster was unclear as
to the nature of the issue groupings/clusters 1-4.
I hope this clarifies matters.
Jacqueline A. Morris

On 4/22/05, Joe Baptista <baptista@cynikal.net> wrote:
> On April 22, 2005 08:01 am, Jacqueline Morris wrote:
>
> > 1.    Issues relating to infrastructural issues and the management of
> > critical Internet resources, including administration of the domain
> > name system and IP addresses, administration of the Root server
> > system, technical standards, peering and inter-connection,
> > telecommunications infrastructure including innovative and con-verged
> > technologies, as well as multilingualization.  These issues are
> > matters of direct relevance to Internet Governance falling within the
> > ambit of existing organisations with responsibility for these matters.
>
> I disagree with your statement above which claims the dns, root and IP
> addresses are under anyones administration.  The existing administration is
> fictitional and based on the relationships established during the original
> experiment which created the internet.
>
> The existing administration is also subject to consent.  They can be easily
> dismissed.
>
> Ultimate control of the DNS resides with end users and ISPs.  They are the
> stakeholders who decide the root they see.
>
> IP addresses are under the control of organizations subject to national law.
> They registries have no control over IP numbers except to administer a
> database.  IP numbers can be nationalized if a country so deems it necessary.
> Routing of IP is under the control of ISPs and backbone providers who must
> obey the local laws.
>
> Roots are everybodies business.  DNS and root services provide the most
> important aspect of internet infrstructure.  Almost everything you do is DNS
> based.  You want security - you want fast uninterrupted service - you run a
> root mirror for your organization or ISP.
>
> regards
> joe baptista
> www.joebaptista.com
>


--
________________________________________
Jacqueline Morris
www.carnivalondenet.com
T&T Music and videos online



From mh at wacc.org.uk  Mon Apr 25 10:33:02 2005
From: mh at wacc.org.uk (Myriam Horngren)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Crisinfo.org - news ENG ESP FR [April 25, 2005]
Message-ID: <7414FB05C3419C42931F0911BE79061D4FF4D3@wacc-commserver.wacc.org.uk>

EVENTS
June, 16-17, 2005
Incommunicado Working Conference
http://incommunicado.info/conference
-- Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Full Calendar on: http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/575

NEWSROOM

IFEX Launches Handbook on Free Expression Campaigning
Toronto - The International Freedom of Expression eXchange (IFEX) 22 April 2005 launches a new publication aimed at equipping human rights activists around the world with essential tools to campaign more effectively for freedom of expression and press freedom.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/834

IFEX lanza manual de organizaci?n de campa?as para la libertad de expresi?n
Toronto - El Intercambio Internacional por la Libertad de Expresi?n (IFEX) lanza hoy una nueva publicaci?n que busca dotar a los activistas de derechos humanos en todo el mundo de herramientas esenciales para organizar m?s eficazmente campa?as a favor de la libertad de expresi?n y la libertad de prensa.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/833 

New Project to Stop "Policy Laundering"
Wednesday, 13 April 2005
Privacy International, in concert with its partners the American Civil Liberties Union and Statewatch, today announced the formation of a new international "Policy Laundering Project".
This international project will monitor and influence the increasingly common formation of civil liberties-sensitive security policies through international organizations.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/831

Europe: Watchdogs call for access to information treaty
Sixteen free expression watchdogs, including ARTICLE 19, are calling on the Council of Europe to draft a binding treaty on access to information, saying such a move would strengthen human rights in the region.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/830

Comisi?n Interamericana de Derechos Humanos
Comunicado de prensa
Informe Anual: Relator?a llama la atenci?n sobre aumento de la violencia contra comunicadores durante el 2004
Washington, D. C., 19 de abril de 2005. En su evaluaci?n sobre la situaci?n de la libertad de expresi?n durante 2004, la Relator?a Especial para la Libertad de Expresi?n de la Comisi?n Interamericana de Derechos Humanos (CIDH) llam? la atenci?n sobre un incremento de los actos de violencia contra los comunicadores sociales en el hemisferio.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/828

Inter - American Commission on Human Rights
Annual Report: Office of the Special Rapporteur calls attention to the increase of violence against media workers in 2004
Press Release
In its evaluation of the situation of freedom of expression in 2004, the Office of the Special Rapporteur for Freedom of Expression of the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights (IACHR) called attention to the increase in the acts of violence against media workers in the Region.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/829 

New media activist website and newsletter
CIMA: Center for International Media Action is excited to announce a new community website for activists and educators concerned with media justice, media reform and communication rights.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/825 

Free Software Foundation-Europe statement WIPO meetings
Software is the medium that defines and structures the digital domain. Cultural techniques, such as agriculture, reading and writing have been essential to evolutionary steps of humankind. Software is the digital cultural technique upon which the information age will rest. Access to software determines who may participate in a digital society.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/826 

How Intellectual Property Rights Can Obstruct Progress
Published on the Global development Gateway and originating from Sci-Dev the article argues that as developing countries strive to develop and benefit from new technologies, intellectual property rights are proving costly.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/827


WSIS

Internet Governance Debate Moving to Next Stage
Heinrich-Boll Foundation
20 April 2005
The WSIS Working Group on Internet Governance has had its third meeting on the last three days in Geneva. The discussion is now moving from mapping the internet governance landscape of institutions and stakeholders towards assessments and recommendations. Monday's session was conducted as an open consultation, yesterday and today the group was meeting in private. Expectedly, a few conflicts surfaced again, which mainly circled around the role of different stakeholders, the question of a new organisational framework, and the Multilateralization of the core Internet resources. But progress can be observed.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/832

WSIS Working Group on Internet Governance: update
On 18th April, the WGIG (Working GRoup on Internet Governance) met for Open Consultations. Access to real time captionning is now available online on: http://www.wgig.org/April-scriptmorning.html for the morning session and on http://www.wgig.org/April-scriptafternoon.html for the afternoon session.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/823 

Human Rights and rule of law in the Information Society
Council of Europe
The Committee of Ministers adopted the terms of reference of the CAHSI as part of the Council of Europe's new project "Good Governance in the Information Society", launched in 2005.
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/824 

HOME

CRIS/EED SOUTH PARTICIPATION FUND

The Church Development Service (EED), Germany, has generously granted funds for the facilitation of participants to CRIS related activities. The CRIS campaign is glad to inform you that it will be able to co-sponsor some delegates to events that we feel are key to the Communication Rights.
http://www.crisinfo.org

FONDOS PARA FOMENTAR LA PARTICIPACI?N CRIS/EED

La Iglesia Servicio al Desarrollo (en ingl?s "Church Development Service", cuyas siglas son EED), de Alemania, ha donado generosamente fondos para facilitar la participaci?n a actividades relacionadas con CRIS. La Campa?a de CRIS tiene el agrado de informarles que estar? en condiciones de patrocinar a algunos delegados para participar en eventos que supongan ser claves para los Derechos a la Comunicaci?n.
http://www.crisinfo.org

FIRME LA CARTA DE CRIS

Nuestra visi?n de la Sociedad de la Informaci?n se fundamenta en el Derecho a Comunicar como un medio de acrecentar los derechos humanos y fortalecer la vida social, econ?mica y cultural de las personas y las comunidades. Para lograrlo, resulta fundamental que las organizaciones de la sociedad civil se unan para cooperar en la construcci?n de una sociedad de la informaci?n basada en principios de transparencia, diversidad, participaci?n, justicia social y econ?mica, e inspiradas por la equidad de g?nero y las perspectivas culturales y regionales. Lo invitamos a conocer m?s sobre la Campa?a de CRIS y a participar firmando la Carta de CRIS:
http://www.crisinfo.org

LA CHARTE DE CRIS

Notre vision de la ?soci?t? de l'information? est bas?e sur le droit de communiquer qui est consid?r? comme un moyen pour ?tendre les droits de l'homme et am?liorer la vie sociale, ?conomique et culturelle des personnes et des communaut?s. Pour cela, il est essentiel que les organisations de la soci?t? civile se r?unissent afin d'aider ? la construction d'une soci?t? de l'information bas?e sur les principes de transparence, de diversit?, de participation et de justice ?conomique et sociale et inspir?e par une approche ?quitable du rapport des sexes, de la culture et des aspects r?gionaux.
http://www.crisinfo.org

THE CRIS CHARTER

Our vision of the 'Information Society' is grounded in the Right to Communicate, as a means to enhance human rights and to strengthen the social, economic and cultural lives of people and communities. Crucial to this is that civil society organisations come together to help build an information society based on principles of transparency, diversity, participation and social and economic justice, and inspired by equitable gender, cultural and regional perspectives.
http://www.crisinfo.org

From rikp at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 25 15:50:04 2005
From: rikp at earthlink.net (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] REMINDER: deadline for registering parallel events for WSIS 30 April
Message-ID: <9b252c80e39e0f094cf3ca0ec3edb343@earthlink.net>

Dear Colleagues,

The International Telecommunication Union (ITU) and the host country, 
Tunisia, have agreed to provide premises to hold a number of parallel 
events alongside the World Summit on the Information Society in 
November in Tunis. These  parallel events include meetings, panels, 
discussions, workshops, and exhibitions relevant to the Summit themes. 
Parallel events can be organized by all governments and accredited 
entities, including NGOs, between 14 and 19 November 2005. The  
deadline for submissions of requests for the  organization of events is 
30 April 2005.  More information and the relevant forms can be found 
here : http://www.itu.int/wsis/tunis/events/index.html

--------------------------------------------------------

L'Union internationale des t?l?communications (UIT) et le pays h?te, la 
Tunisie, ont convenu de mettre des locaux ? disposition en vue de la 
tenue d'?v?nements parall?les qui auront lieu en m?me temps et au m?me 
endroit que le Sommet et qui  comprendront des  r?unions, panels, 
d?bats et ateliers, ainsi qu'une exposition et d'autres manifestations 
de port?e mondiale li?es au th?me du Sommet.?Ces ?v?nements parall?les, 
qui  se d?rouleront au  Parc des Expositions du Kram,  peuvent ?tre 
organis?s par tous les gouvernements et entit?s accr?dit?es au SMSI  du 
14 au 19 novembre  2005. Les demandes seront prises en consid?ration, 
sous r?serve de la disponibilit? des locaux.  Le dernier d?lai pour la 
pr?sentation des demandes concernant l'organisation  d'?v?nements 
parall?les, qui devront ?tre soumises ? l'aide du formulaire  fourni 
ci-dessous, est fix? au  30 avril 2005: 
http://www.itu.int/wsis/tunis/events/index.html .

Rik Panganiban
CONGO

===============================================
RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations 
(CONGO)
web: http://www.ngocongo.org
email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524

* Information on the WSIS at http://www.ngocongo.org/wsis
* Information on Millennium+5 at http://www.ngocongo.org/mdg
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From jacqueline.morris at gmail.com  Sat Apr 23 03:13:51 2005
From: jacqueline.morris at gmail.com (Jacqueline Morris)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [governance] Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG
In-Reply-To: <200504222040.34845.baptista@cynikal.net>
References: <s267c787.014@gwia201.syr.edu>
	 <131293a205042205017dba8681@mail.gmail.com>
	 <200504222040.34845.baptista@cynikal.net>
Message-ID: <131293a2050422191346d43394@mail.gmail.com>

Correction - I did not claim or state anything myself. This is  the
issue cluster definition of the WGIG.  Comments on this should go to
the WGIG at wgig@unog.ch for them to be considered by the WGIG. Some
of the points that you raise here are also raised in some of the WGIG
working papers on the clusters, available at
http://www.wgig.org/April-Working-Papers.html
I posted the cluster definitions so that the misconception of "layers"
could be corrected, and also since the previous poster was unclear as
to the nature of the issue groupings/clusters 1-4.
I hope this clarifies matters.
Jacqueline A. Morris

On 4/22/05, Joe Baptista <baptista@cynikal.net> wrote:
> On April 22, 2005 08:01 am, Jacqueline Morris wrote:
> 
> > 1.    Issues relating to infrastructural issues and the management of
> > critical Internet resources, including administration of the domain
> > name system and IP addresses, administration of the Root server
> > system, technical standards, peering and inter-connection,
> > telecommunications infrastructure including innovative and con-verged
> > technologies, as well as multilingualization.  These issues are
> > matters of direct relevance to Internet Governance falling within the
> > ambit of existing organisations with responsibility for these matters.
> 
> I disagree with your statement above which claims the dns, root and IP
> addresses are under anyones administration.  The existing administration is
> fictitional and based on the relationships established during the original
> experiment which created the internet.
> 
> The existing administration is also subject to consent.  They can be easily
> dismissed.
> 
> Ultimate control of the DNS resides with end users and ISPs.  They are the
> stakeholders who decide the root they see.
> 
> IP addresses are under the control of organizations subject to national law.
> They registries have no control over IP numbers except to administer a
> database.  IP numbers can be nationalized if a country so deems it necessary.
> Routing of IP is under the control of ISPs and backbone providers who must
> obey the local laws.
> 
> Roots are everybodies business.  DNS and root services provide the most
> important aspect of internet infrstructure.  Almost everything you do is DNS
> based.  You want security - you want fast uninterrupted service - you run a
> root mirror for your organization or ISP.
> 
> regards
> joe baptista
> www.joebaptista.com
> 


-- 
________________________________________
Jacqueline Morris
www.carnivalondenet.com
T&T Music and videos online

From mjr at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Apr 25 21:05:12 2005
From: mjr at dsl.pipex.com (MJ Ray)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] General Applicability of Open Source Methods
In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:01:09 -0300 
	<4267CE45.80901@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
References: <4267CE45.80901@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <E1DQ9pQ-0007DI-00@pipe.localnet>

WJM forwarded:
> This open and collaborative approach to creating knowledge has produced
> remarkable results, such as the Linux operating system and the web-based
> encyclopaedia Wikipedia. In defiance of the conventional wisdom of
> modern business, open source methods have led the main underlying
> innovations around the Internet.

Lest anyone forget, neither Wikipedia nor the IETF RFCs are open
source in the full sense yet. Wikipedia has restrictions on
what devices you can distribute it to (amongst other things)
and the IETF standards (which drive the Internet) are mostly not
modifiable for purposes outside the IETF processes. I remain
hopeful that both will be repaired before it's a problem.


From echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar  Mon Apr 25 21:42:22 2005
From: echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar (Enrique A. Chaparro)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] General Applicability of Open Source Methods
In-Reply-To: <E1DQ9pQ-0007DI-00@pipe.localnet>
References: <4267CE45.80901@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
	<E1DQ9pQ-0007DI-00@pipe.localnet>
Message-ID: <20050425204222.3bbbe2a3.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:05:12 +0100
MJ Ray <mjr@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

 
MR> Lest anyone forget, neither Wikipedia nor the IETF RFCs are open
MR> source in the full sense yet. Wikipedia has restrictions on
MR> what devices you can distribute it to (amongst other things)
MR> and the IETF standards (which drive the Internet) are mostly not
MR> modifiable for purposes outside the IETF processes. I remain
MR> hopeful that both will be repaired before it's a problem.

Could you calrify your point? Are you making a reference to the
``weird'' non-DRM clause of the GFDL[1]? And what do you mean by
``other things''?

Thakyou!

Enrique

[1] GFDL: The GNU Free Documentation License, the licence under which
Wikipedia's contents can be distributed and modified.

-- 
``Izena duen guzia omen da.''
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From tracey at traceynaughton.com  Tue Apr 26 15:42:43 2005
From: tracey at traceynaughton.com (Tracey Naughton)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] re: invite to the ITU informal consultation on WSIS implimentation
Message-ID: <c72eb525c5973e06b56601201c7275e9@traceynaughton.com>

Hello

The CSB is formulating feedback for the ITU about the forthcoming 
informal WSIS Implementation meeting. It has been convened at short 
notice and it's unlikely to have the participation of people from 
developing contexts, (which is not to negate the value of those who 
will be able to attend by virtue of being based around Geneva). It goes 
without saying that many of us would like to have input.

It would appear that few people have been invited but we would like to 
get a sense of who did receive an invite as background to our feedback. 
So far we know that myself, Ralph Bendrath and Adam Peake received 
personal invitations. Ralph also posted the invite to the plenary list 
but it's the direct ones we would like to record.

Please let the list know. Thanks

Tracey



Tracey Naughton
NYAKA
Communication for Development Consultant
201 Somerset Hall
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From wdrake at ictsd.ch  Wed Apr 27 15:01:11 2005
From: wdrake at ictsd.ch (William Drake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications  on  the ITU informal consultation on WSIS implimentation
In-Reply-To: <c72eb525c5973e06b56601201c7275e9@traceynaughton.com>
Message-ID: <MABBIHAAPBEEGMLBDEGOIEILEMAA.wdrake@ictsd.ch>

Hello Tracey,

The ITU Council's Working Group on WSIS has long had a meeting scheduled on
the 3rd and 4th http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/wsis_WG.html to talk about
ITU's role in WSIS.  The chair of the Council decided a couple of weeks ago
to add on an informal meeting on the day prior to hear from other
stakeholders, in part I think because ITU's been taking a lot of heat from
CS about being a closed shop (especially in WGIG).  Three key points:

First, this is not a WSIS meeting; if it was it'd have been done by the WSIS
secretariat and would have had to follow the relevant rules etc.  It's an
ITU meeting, about ITU's role in WSIS, and an informal one at that, under
the authority of the chair, which is why it hasn't appeared on the ITU's
website and calendar of events.  Second, given the genesis described above,
I wouldn't read too much into the way this was done in terms of setting
precedents on CS participation in ITU, much less in WSIS. The chair of an
ITU body can always call an informal meeting to hear what people have to say
and invite whomever she or he wants.

Third, I just spoke with the head of the SG's strategy and policy shop, and
asked who was invited and why.  He said that they'd simply pulled email
addresses of people on the CS bureau, CS people based in Geneva like myself,
and a few others they knew of.  Originally they thought they'd have a room
that seats thirty, so they were trying to keep it small.  But there's been
more demand than expected, so they've now moved it to a room that seats 100.
He told me that about sixty people are registered at present, perhaps half
of them from CS.  I expressed surprise because I'm not aware that there's 30
WSIS CS people in Geneva, and he said well there are CONGO people, some
folks from out of town, etc.  Didn't ask him to read a list.   He emphasized
that now that they have a bigger room, they can accommodate more people if
others would like to register.  I suggested they put the meeting
announcement with a registration link somewhere visible on the website, and
he said they'd get on it.  So anyone else who wants to go, maybe check the
URL above in a day or so.

I should add that it's not obvious how many ITU members will be attending,
since ITU-T is also holding a meeting that day to provide input into the
Council Working Group.  So probably attendees will be speaking mostly to the
chair and some staffers, rather than to governments and corporations.  As to
the Council WG itself, participation in that is more ambiguous.  I was told
I could attend as an individual 'expert' but not as a CS person, since CSOs
have no standing right to participate unless they are Sector Members or
Associates.  Unfortunately, I can't go to any of this, as I'm speaking at
the OECD's 2005 Forum in Paris, but if someone else wants to ask for an
'expert' invite it might work.

Hope this helps,

Bill

> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> Behalf Of Tracey Naughton
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 4:43 PM
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] re: invite to the ITU informal consultation
> on WSIS implimentation
>
>
> Hello
>
> The CSB is formulating feedback for the ITU about the forthcoming
> informal WSIS Implementation meeting. It has been convened at short
> notice and it's unlikely to have the participation of people from
> developing contexts, (which is not to negate the value of those who
> will be able to attend by virtue of being based around Geneva). It goes
> without saying that many of us would like to have input.
>
> It would appear that few people have been invited but we would like to
> get a sense of who did receive an invite as background to our feedback.
> So far we know that myself, Ralph Bendrath and Adam Peake received
> personal invitations. Ralph also posted the invite to the plenary list
> but it's the direct ones we would like to record.
>
> Please let the list know. Thanks
>
> Tracey
>
>
>
> Tracey Naughton
> NYAKA
> Communication for Development Consultant
> 201 Somerset Hall
> 239 Oxford Road
> Illovo     2196
> South Africa
>
> landline & fax:	+27 (0) 11 880 5030
> cell / mobile:	+27 (0) 82 821 1771
> email:		tracey@traceynaughton.com
> skype:		tracey_naughton
>
>
>
>



From karenb at gn.apc.org  Wed Apr 27 15:20:45 2005
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] re: invite to the ITU informal
  consultation on WSIS implimentation
In-Reply-To: <c72eb525c5973e06b56601201c7275e9@traceynaughton.com>
References: <c72eb525c5973e06b56601201c7275e9@traceynaughton.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050427151955.044e9290@pop.gn.apc.org>

hi tracey

Myself and the GKP also received invitations.

By the way, after receiving the invitation, i asked the ITU for a list of 
those from CS who had been invited so that we could coordinate, but no 
response to date.

It's looking unlikely that i can go.

karen

At 15:42 26/04/2005, Tracey Naughton wrote:
>Hello
>
>The CSB is formulating feedback for the ITU about the forthcoming informal 
>WSIS Implementation meeting. It has been convened at short notice and it's 
>unlikely to have the participation of people from developing contexts, 
>(which is not to negate the value of those who will be able to attend by 
>virtue of being based around Geneva). It goes without saying that many of 
>us would like to have input.
>
>It would appear that few people have been invited but we would like to get 
>a sense of who did receive an invite as background to our feedback. So far 
>we know that myself, Ralph Bendrath and Adam Peake received personal 
>invitations. Ralph also posted the invite to the plenary list but it's the 
>direct ones we would like to record.
>
>Please let the list know. Thanks
>
>Tracey



From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Wed Apr 27 17:18:15 2005
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:50 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications  on  the ITU informal consultation on WSIS implimentation
In-Reply-To: <MABBIHAAPBEEGMLBDEGOIEILEMAA.wdrake@ictsd.ch>
Message-ID: <423AEDF60026831F@mail15.bluewin.ch> (added by postmaster@bluewin.ch)

Hi Bill 

Thanks, for these clarifications. I was out of town and therefore did not
speak to anybody in the ITU, but my own interpretation of the meeting was
very similar to yours. I sent this yesterday to Tracey and the CSB, see
below.
I was, however, surprised to hear that they expected some CONGO people to
attend. We were not asked to send this around as they had indicated of
having very limited space.




>Dear Bertrand, Tracey and all,

 

>Having been in Nairobi last week and again away until today, let me just
>join in this discussion. 
>When I received the invitation for this consultation, I saw it mainly as an
>attempt of the ITU to position itself in WSIS and follow-up in relation to 
>its own constituencies, (if you look at the agenda of the following
WG->WSIS) 
>other UN agencies and the UN in general 
 
>I have not been involved in this ITU WG-WSIS so far, but if you look at
>some of their working papers, it becomes clear that they need to address
>some of what the ITU should do in order to play a more substantive role in
>WSIS follow up: e.g. 

>to align it more clearly with WSIS goals and objectives; 
>to reflect more relevantly the MDGs 
>to have closer engagement with CS, (!)even 
>to have closer cooperation with the rest of the UN 
>and probably a number of other to dos.

>With other words, I see this exercise in the first place to get their house
>in order to prepare better for becoming the whatever.overall coordinator of
>the Plan of Action (according to the Russian proposal, not necessarily
>endorsed by all governments). 

>So the very brief consultation with other stakeholders should therefore be
>seen in my view in this in-house perspective as one (among many)
>consultations for follow up. (UNESCO, UNCTAD, OECD all prepare many
>meetings, including on follow-up)

>I agree fully with Bertrand's letter (and thank you Bertrand!) to Janis
>Karklins, in which way a more structured dialogue should take place. But I
>would somewhat hesitate to send the other letter to Yuri Grin at this time,
>precisely not to give more importance to that meeting than it has. However,
>together with those who will attend, I will certainly raise the concerns.

>Best

>Renata 

 

 

 

 

 

Renate Bloem
President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
11, Avenue de la Paix
CH-1202 Geneva
Tel: +41 22 301 1000
Fax: +41 22 301 2000
E-mil: rbloem@ngocongo.org
Website: www.ngocongo.org

 

The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, membership association
that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United Nations debates and
decisions. Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective is to ensure the
presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's governments and United
Nations agencies on issues of global concern.  For more information see our
website at www.ngocongo.org



Hello Tracey,

The ITU Council's Working Group on WSIS has long had a meeting scheduled on
the 3rd and 4th http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/wsis_WG.html to talk about
ITU's role in WSIS.  The chair of the Council decided a couple of weeks ago
to add on an informal meeting on the day prior to hear from other
stakeholders, in part I think because ITU's been taking a lot of heat from
CS about being a closed shop (especially in WGIG).  Three key points:

First, this is not a WSIS meeting; if it was it'd have been done by the WSIS
secretariat and would have had to follow the relevant rules etc.  It's an
ITU meeting, about ITU's role in WSIS, and an informal one at that, under
the authority of the chair, which is why it hasn't appeared on the ITU's
website and calendar of events.  Second, given the genesis described above,
I wouldn't read too much into the way this was done in terms of setting
precedents on CS participation in ITU, much less in WSIS. The chair of an
ITU body can always call an informal meeting to hear what people have to say
and invite whomever she or he wants.

Third, I just spoke with the head of the SG's strategy and policy shop, and
asked who was invited and why.  He said that they'd simply pulled email
addresses of people on the CS bureau, CS people based in Geneva like myself,
and a few others they knew of.  Originally they thought they'd have a room
that seats thirty, so they were trying to keep it small.  But there's been
more demand than expected, so they've now moved it to a room that seats 100.
He told me that about sixty people are registered at present, perhaps half
of them from CS.  I expressed surprise because I'm not aware that there's 30
WSIS CS people in Geneva, and he said well there are CONGO people, some
folks from out of town, etc.  Didn't ask him to read a list.   He emphasized
that now that they have a bigger room, they can accommodate more people if
others would like to register.  I suggested they put the meeting
announcement with a registration link somewhere visible on the website, and
he said they'd get on it.  So anyone else who wants to go, maybe check the
URL above in a day or so.

I should add that it's not obvious how many ITU members will be attending,
since ITU-T is also holding a meeting that day to provide input into the
Council Working Group.  So probably attendees will be speaking mostly to the
chair and some staffers, rather than to governments and corporations.  As to
the Council WG itself, participation in that is more ambiguous.  I was told
I could attend as an individual 'expert' but not as a CS person, since CSOs
have no standing right to participate unless they are Sector Members or
Associates.  Unfortunately, I can't go to any of this, as I'm speaking at
the OECD's 2005 Forum in Paris, but if someone else wants to ask for an
'expert' invite it might work.

Hope this helps,

Bill

> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> Behalf Of Tracey Naughton
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 4:43 PM
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] re: invite to the ITU informal consultation
> on WSIS implimentation
>
>
> Hello
>
> The CSB is formulating feedback for the ITU about the forthcoming
> informal WSIS Implementation meeting. It has been convened at short
> notice and it's unlikely to have the participation of people from
> developing contexts, (which is not to negate the value of those who
> will be able to attend by virtue of being based around Geneva). It goes
> without saying that many of us would like to have input.
>
> It would appear that few people have been invited but we would like to
> get a sense of who did receive an invite as background to our feedback.
> So far we know that myself, Ralph Bendrath and Adam Peake received
> personal invitations. Ralph also posted the invite to the plenary list
> but it's the direct ones we would like to record.
>
> Please let the list know. Thanks
>
> Tracey
>
>
>
> Tracey Naughton
> NYAKA
> Communication for Development Consultant
> 201 Somerset Hall
> 239 Oxford Road
> Illovo     2196
> South Africa
>
> landline & fax:	+27 (0) 11 880 5030
> cell / mobile:	+27 (0) 82 821 1771
> email:		tracey@traceynaughton.com
> skype:		tracey_naughton
>
>
>
>


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From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Wed Apr 27 18:22:08 2005
From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_Kleinw=E4chter?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications  on  the ITU informal
 consultation on WSIS implimentation
Message-ID: 
 <ACADB74FBBEFD94795A03FDBBDE62D3727C7A3@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>

FYI
 
This is the agenda of the ITU meeting, may, 3 - 4, 2005. All documents can be downloaded for FREE.
 
http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/wsis_WG.html
 
Best
 
 
wolfgang
 
 
 
 

________________________________

Von: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org im Auftrag von Renata Bloem
Gesendet: Mi 27.04.2005 18:18
An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Betreff: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications on the ITU informal consultation on WSIS implimentation



Hi Bill

Thanks, for these clarifications. I was out of town and therefore did not
speak to anybody in the ITU, but my own interpretation of the meeting was
very similar to yours. I sent this yesterday to Tracey and the CSB, see
below.
I was, however, surprised to hear that they expected some CONGO people to
attend. We were not asked to send this around as they had indicated of
having very limited space.




>Dear Bertrand, Tracey and all,



>Having been in Nairobi last week and again away until today, let me just
>join in this discussion.
>When I received the invitation for this consultation, I saw it mainly as an
>attempt of the ITU to position itself in WSIS and follow-up in relation to
>its own constituencies, (if you look at the agenda of the following
WG->WSIS)
>other UN agencies and the UN in general

>I have not been involved in this ITU WG-WSIS so far, but if you look at
>some of their working papers, it becomes clear that they need to address
>some of what the ITU should do in order to play a more substantive role in
>WSIS follow up: e.g.

>to align it more clearly with WSIS goals and objectives;
>to reflect more relevantly the MDGs
>to have closer engagement with CS, (!)even
>to have closer cooperation with the rest of the UN
>and probably a number of other to dos.

>With other words, I see this exercise in the first place to get their house
>in order to prepare better for becoming the whatever.overall coordinator of
>the Plan of Action (according to the Russian proposal, not necessarily
>endorsed by all governments).

>So the very brief consultation with other stakeholders should therefore be
>seen in my view in this in-house perspective as one (among many)
>consultations for follow up. (UNESCO, UNCTAD, OECD all prepare many
>meetings, including on follow-up)

>I agree fully with Bertrand's letter (and thank you Bertrand!) to Janis
>Karklins, in which way a more structured dialogue should take place. But I
>would somewhat hesitate to send the other letter to Yuri Grin at this time,
>precisely not to give more importance to that meeting than it has. However,
>together with those who will attend, I will certainly raise the concerns.

>Best

>Renata











Renate Bloem
President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
11, Avenue de la Paix
CH-1202 Geneva
Tel: +41 22 301 1000
Fax: +41 22 301 2000
E-mil: rbloem@ngocongo.org
Website: www.ngocongo.org



The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, membership association
that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United Nations debates and
decisions. Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective is to ensure the
presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's governments and United
Nations agencies on issues of global concern.  For more information see our
website at www.ngocongo.org



Hello Tracey,

The ITU Council's Working Group on WSIS has long had a meeting scheduled on
the 3rd and 4th http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/wsis_WG.html to talk about
ITU's role in WSIS.  The chair of the Council decided a couple of weeks ago
to add on an informal meeting on the day prior to hear from other
stakeholders, in part I think because ITU's been taking a lot of heat from
CS about being a closed shop (especially in WGIG).  Three key points:

First, this is not a WSIS meeting; if it was it'd have been done by the WSIS
secretariat and would have had to follow the relevant rules etc.  It's an
ITU meeting, about ITU's role in WSIS, and an informal one at that, under
the authority of the chair, which is why it hasn't appeared on the ITU's
website and calendar of events.  Second, given the genesis described above,
I wouldn't read too much into the way this was done in terms of setting
precedents on CS participation in ITU, much less in WSIS. The chair of an
ITU body can always call an informal meeting to hear what people have to say
and invite whomever she or he wants.

Third, I just spoke with the head of the SG's strategy and policy shop, and
asked who was invited and why.  He said that they'd simply pulled email
addresses of people on the CS bureau, CS people based in Geneva like myself,
and a few others they knew of.  Originally they thought they'd have a room
that seats thirty, so they were trying to keep it small.  But there's been
more demand than expected, so they've now moved it to a room that seats 100.
He told me that about sixty people are registered at present, perhaps half
of them from CS.  I expressed surprise because I'm not aware that there's 30
WSIS CS people in Geneva, and he said well there are CONGO people, some
folks from out of town, etc.  Didn't ask him to read a list.   He emphasized
that now that they have a bigger room, they can accommodate more people if
others would like to register.  I suggested they put the meeting
announcement with a registration link somewhere visible on the website, and
he said they'd get on it.  So anyone else who wants to go, maybe check the
URL above in a day or so.

I should add that it's not obvious how many ITU members will be attending,
since ITU-T is also holding a meeting that day to provide input into the
Council Working Group.  So probably attendees will be speaking mostly to the
chair and some staffers, rather than to governments and corporations.  As to
the Council WG itself, participation in that is more ambiguous.  I was told
I could attend as an individual 'expert' but not as a CS person, since CSOs
have no standing right to participate unless they are Sector Members or
Associates.  Unfortunately, I can't go to any of this, as I'm speaking at
the OECD's 2005 Forum in Paris, but if someone else wants to ask for an
'expert' invite it might work.

Hope this helps,

Bill

> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> Behalf Of Tracey Naughton
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 4:43 PM
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] re: invite to the ITU informal consultation
> on WSIS implimentation
>
>
> Hello
>
> The CSB is formulating feedback for the ITU about the forthcoming
> informal WSIS Implementation meeting. It has been convened at short
> notice and it's unlikely to have the participation of people from
> developing contexts, (which is not to negate the value of those who
> will be able to attend by virtue of being based around Geneva). It goes
> without saying that many of us would like to have input.
>
> It would appear that few people have been invited but we would like to
> get a sense of who did receive an invite as background to our feedback.
> So far we know that myself, Ralph Bendrath and Adam Peake received
> personal invitations. Ralph also posted the invite to the plenary list
> but it's the direct ones we would like to record.
>
> Please let the list know. Thanks
>
> Tracey
>
>
>
> Tracey Naughton
> NYAKA
> Communication for Development Consultant
> 201 Somerset Hall
> 239 Oxford Road
> Illovo     2196
> South Africa
>
> landline & fax:       +27 (0) 11 880 5030
> cell / mobile:        +27 (0) 82 821 1771
> email:                tracey@traceynaughton.com
> skype:                tracey_naughton
>
>
>
>


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From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Wed Apr 27 21:49:25 2005
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_AW:_[WSIS_CS-Plenary]_Clarifications_=C2=A0on_=C2=A0the?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?_ITU_informal_consultation_on_WSIS_implimentation?=
Message-ID: <10645052.1114634965166.JavaMail.www@wwinf1315>

Bertrand and Wolfgang
Where can I find Bertrand's letter to Karklins ? I suppose other CS members would also be interested in its content. 
I hope getting an answer before monday afternoon, i.e. before the "stakeholder meeting"  at ITU.
Thanks in advance.
Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT
> Message du 27/04/05 19:24
> De : "Wolfgang Kleinw?chter" 
> A : plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Copie ? : 
> Objet : AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications on the ITU informal consultation on WSIS implimentation
> 
> FYI
> 
> This is the agenda of the ITU meeting, may, 3 - 4, 2005. All documents can be downloaded for FREE.
> 
> http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/wsis_WG.html
> 
> Best
> 
> 
> wolfgang
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> Von: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org im Auftrag von Renata Bloem
> Gesendet: Mi 27.04.2005 18:18
> An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Betreff: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications on the ITU informal consultation on WSIS implimentation
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Bill
> 
> Thanks, for these clarifications. I was out of town and therefore did not
> speak to anybody in the ITU, but my own interpretation of the meeting was
> very similar to yours. I sent this yesterday to Tracey and the CSB, see
> below.
> I was, however, surprised to hear that they expected some CONGO people to
> attend. We were not asked to send this around as they had indicated of
> having very limited space.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Dear Bertrand, Tracey and all,
> 
> 
> 
> >Having been in Nairobi last week and again away until today, let me just
> >join in this discussion.
> >When I received the invitation for this consultation, I saw it mainly as an
> >attempt of the ITU to position itself in WSIS and follow-up in relation to
> >its own constituencies, (if you look at the agenda of the following
> WG->WSIS)
> >other UN agencies and the UN in general
> 
> >I have not been involved in this ITU WG-WSIS so far, but if you look at
> >some of their working papers, it becomes clear that they need to address
> >some of what the ITU should do in order to play a more substantive role in
> >WSIS follow up: e.g.
> 
> >to align it more clearly with WSIS goals and objectives;
> >to reflect more relevantly the MDGs
> >to have closer engagement with CS, (!)even
> >to have closer cooperation with the rest of the UN
> >and probably a number of other to dos.
> 
> >With other words, I see this exercise in the first place to get their house
> >in order to prepare better for becoming the whatever.overall coordinator of
> >the Plan of Action (according to the Russian proposal, not necessarily
> >endorsed by all governments).
> 
> >So the very brief consultation with other stakeholders should therefore be
> >seen in my view in this in-house perspective as one (among many)
> >consultations for follow up. (UNESCO, UNCTAD, OECD all prepare many
> >meetings, including on follow-up)
> 
> >I agree fully with Bertrand's letter (and thank you Bertrand!) to Janis
> >Karklins, in which way a more structured dialogue should take place. But I
> >would somewhat hesitate to send the other letter to Yuri Grin at this time,
> >precisely not to give more importance to that meeting than it has. However,
> >together with those who will attend, I will certainly raise the concerns.
> 
> >Best
> 
> >Renata
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Renate Bloem
> President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
> 11, Avenue de la Paix
> CH-1202 Geneva
> Tel: +41 22 301 1000
> Fax: +41 22 301 2000
> E-mil: rbloem@ngocongo.org
> Website: www.ngocongo.org
> 
> 
> 
> The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, membership association
> that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United Nations debates and
> decisions. Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective is to ensure the
> presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's governments and United
> Nations agencies on issues of global concern. For more information see our
> website at www.ngocongo.org
> 
> 
> 
> Hello Tracey,
> 
> The ITU Council's Working Group on WSIS has long had a meeting scheduled on
> the 3rd and 4th http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/wsis_WG.html to talk about
> ITU's role in WSIS. The chair of the Council decided a couple of weeks ago
> to add on an informal meeting on the day prior to hear from other
> stakeholders, in part I think because ITU's been taking a lot of heat from
> CS about being a closed shop (especially in WGIG). Three key points:
> 
> First, this is not a WSIS meeting; if it was it'd have been done by the WSIS
> secretariat and would have had to follow the relevant rules etc. It's an
> ITU meeting, about ITU's role in WSIS, and an informal one at that, under
> the authority of the chair, which is why it hasn't appeared on the ITU's
> website and calendar of events. Second, given the genesis described above,
> I wouldn't read too much into the way this was done in terms of setting
> precedents on CS participation in ITU, much less in WSIS. The chair of an
> ITU body can always call an informal meeting to hear what people have to say
> and invite whomever she or he wants.
> 
> Third, I just spoke with the head of the SG's strategy and policy shop, and
> asked who was invited and why. He said that they'd simply pulled email
> addresses of people on the CS bureau, CS people based in Geneva like myself,
> and a few others they knew of. Originally they thought they'd have a room
> that seats thirty, so they were trying to keep it small. But there's been
> more demand than expected, so they've now moved it to a room that seats 100.
> He told me that about sixty people are registered at present, perhaps half
> of them from CS. I expressed surprise because I'm not aware that there's 30
> WSIS CS people in Geneva, and he said well there are CONGO people, some
> folks from out of town, etc. Didn't ask him to read a list. He emphasized
> that now that they have a bigger room, they can accommodate more people if
> others would like to register. I suggested they put the meeting
> announcement with a registration link somewhere visible on the website, and
> he said they'd get on it. So anyone else who wants to go, maybe check the
> URL above in a day or so.
> 
> I should add that it's not obvious how many ITU members will be attending,
> since ITU-T is also holding a meeting that day to provide input into the
> Council Working Group. So probably attendees will be speaking mostly to the
> chair and some staffers, rather than to governments and corporations. As to
> the Council WG itself, participation in that is more ambiguous. I was told
> I could attend as an individual 'expert' but not as a CS person, since CSOs
> have no standing right to participate unless they are Sector Members or
> Associates. Unfortunately, I can't go to any of this, as I'm speaking at
> the OECD's 2005 Forum in Paris, but if someone else wants to ask for an
> 'expert' invite it might work.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Bill
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> > Behalf Of Tracey Naughton
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 4:43 PM
> > To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] re: invite to the ITU informal consultation
> > on WSIS implimentation
> >
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > The CSB is formulating feedback for the ITU about the forthcoming
> > informal WSIS Implementation meeting. It has been convened at short
> > notice and it's unlikely to have the participation of people from
> > developing contexts, (which is not to negate the value of those who
> > will be able to attend by virtue of being based around Geneva). It goes
> > without saying that many of us would like to have input.
> >
> > It would appear that few people have been invited but we would like to
> > get a sense of who did receive an invite as background to our feedback.
> > So far we know that myself, Ralph Bendrath and Adam Peake received
> > personal invitations. Ralph also posted the invite to the plenary list
> > but it's the direct ones we would like to record.
> >
> > Please let the list know. Thanks
> >
> > Tracey
> >
> >
> >
> > Tracey Naughton
> > NYAKA
> > Communication for Development Consultant
> > 201 Somerset Hall
> > 239 Oxford Road
> > Illovo 2196
> > South Africa
> >
> > landline & fax: +27 (0) 11 880 5030
> > cell / mobile: +27 (0) 82 821 1771
> > email: tracey@traceynaughton.com
> > skype: tracey_naughton
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
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From: rikp at earthlink.net (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fwd:_[wsis-finance]_Ev=E9nement_//_au_SMSI___//_E?=
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 From Francis, here is some information regarding arrangements for the 
Tunis Summit.  Thanks for the detailed info.

I have to ask where the "150 heads of state" figure comes from?  This 
could be wishful thinking on the part of the Tunisian organizers or 
confirmed attendees.

Also, CONGO has applied for an all day event to highlight "best 
practices" among civil society in the Information Society.  We thought 
this was general enough that it could incorporate other groups if 
necessary.

Rik Panganiban
CONGO

------------------------------------------------------

De Francis, voici de l'information concernant des arrangements pour le 
sommet de Tunis. Merci pour l'information d?taill?e.

Je dois demander d'o? le chiffre "150 chefs d'Etat" vient? Ceci a pu 
?tre r?ve de la part des organisateurs tunisiens ou des participants 
confirm?s.

En outre, CONGO s'est appliqu? pour toute la journ?e un ?v?nement au 
point culminant les "meilleures pratiques" parmi la soci?t? civile dans 
la soci?t? infomatique. Nous avons pens? que c'?tait assez g?n?ral 
qu'il pourrait incorporer d'autres groupes au besoin.

Rik Panganiban
CONGO

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Dr. Francis MUGUET" <muguet@wtis.org>
> Sender: wsis-finance@yahoogroupes.fr
> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 04:19:30 +0200
> Subject: [wsis-finance] Ev?nement // au SMSI   // Events
>  at WSIS
>
>
>
> Fran?ais / Anglais
>
> Ch?res Amies, Chers Amis,
>
> D'apr?s ma visite en Tunisie la semaine derni?re,
> le contexte du SMSI semble ?tre le suivant :
>
> on s'attend ? ce que 150 chefs d'Etat viennet au SMSI  du 16 au 18
> novembre 2005.
> Le Pr?sident Bush serait susceptible de venir du sommet.
> 18.000 participants sont d?j? inscrits.
> Il semble que ce va ?tre un ?v?nement d'une magnitude
>   beaucoup plus grande que le SMSI ? Gen?ve.
> Tous les h?tels de Tunis,  des h?tels des **** aux ** sont
> d?j? enti?rement r?serv?s.!
> Les USA ont r?serv? un h?tel complet devant l'ambassade des USA.
>
>   Il est question de recevoir les participants suppl?mentaires ?
> Hammamet et de  les y transporter par bus.
> Le SMSI va avoir lieu au parc d'exposition ? KRAM 
> http://www.fkram.com.tn
> La soci?t? civile est invit?e ? organiser des ?v?nements parall?les
> suivant les directives
> http://www.smsitunis2005.org/plateforme/guideline.php
> au KRAM de 14 au 19 novembre.
> La date-limite pour la proposition
> http://www.smsitunis2005.tn/plateforme/docs/formulaire.doc
> est maintenant tr?s proche : *30 avril*.
> Nous esp?rons que les halls de conf?rence sont donn?s gratuitememt ? la
> soci?t? civile comme ? Gen?ve, mais ce n'est pas clair encore.
> J'ai visit? le parc d'exposition du KRAM,
>   voir mes images http://www.wsis-pct.org/kram-apr05.html
> ce semble que trop petit et les voies d'acc?s trop ?troites aussi pour
> permettre le trafic liquide du cort?ge de voitures de 150 chefs d'Etat
> 1avec leurs suites.
> Les autres participants devront probablement y arriver en bus et perdre
> pas mal de temps sous des contr?les serr?s de s?curit?.
>
> Il ne va pas ?tre facile d'organiser la logistique des ?v?nements l? 
> bas.
>
> Pour nous entre-aider, ce serait probablement une bonne id?e 
> d'organiser
> un ?v?nement parapluie qui regrouperait tous les ?v?nements au sujet 
> des
> th?mes qui sont discut?s dans ce groupe.
>
> Cordialement
>
> Francis
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> Dear Friends
>
> Following my visit in Tunisia last week,
> the context of the WSIS appears to the be the following :
> 150 heads of states are expected to attend the
> WSIS from 16-18 November 2005.
> President Bush is likely to attend the Summit.
> 18,000 participants are already registered.
> It seems it is going to be an event of
> a much greater magnitude that the WSIS in Geneva.
>
> All the Hotels of Tunis from the **** Hotels to
> the ** Hotels are fully booked.
> The US has booked a complete Hotel in front of the
> US embassy.
> There is question to accomodate the extra participants
> in Hammamet and to bus them daily.
>
> The WSIS is going to take place at the
> Exhibition Park at KRAM
> http://www.fkram.com.tn
>
> Civil Society is invited to
> organize Parallel Events
> see guidelines
> http://www.smsitunis2005.org/plateforme/guideline.php
> at the KRAM
> from 14 to 19 November.
> The deadline for proposal
> http://www.smsitunis2005.tn/plateforme/docs/formulaire.doc
> is now very near : * 30 April *.
> We hope that the conference halls are given for
> free to the Civil Society like in Geneva, but
> this is not clear yet.
>
> I visited the Exhibition Park at KRAM
> see my pictures
> http://www.wsis-pct.org/kram-apr05.html
> It appears too small and the access roads
> too narrow to allow the fluid traffic of the motorcade
> of 150 head of states with their suites.
> Other participants are likely to have to get there
> by bus and spent a long time on tight security checks.
>
> It is not going to be easy to organize the logistics
> of events there.
>
> To help us all, it would be probably a good idea to organize
> an Umbrella event that would regroup all the events
> concerning the themes that are relevant to this group.
>
> Best regards
>
> Francis
>
>
>
> --
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Francis F. MUGUET  Ph.D
> World Tour of the Information Society (WTIS)
> muguet@wtis.org
>
> UNMSP project : http://www.unmsp.org
>
> World Summit On the Information Society (WSIS)
> Civil Society Working Groups
> Scientific Information :  http://www.wsis-si.org  chair
> Patents & Copyrights   :  http://www.wsis-pct.org co-chair
> Financing Mechanismns  :  http://www.wsis-finance.org web
>
> Director
> Scientific Information Developement Laboratory :
> Knowledge Networks and Information Society
> ENSTA
> 32 Blvd Victor 75739 PARIS cedex FRANCE
> Phone: (33)1 45 52 60 19  Fax: (33)1 45 52 52 82
> muguet@ensta.fr   http://www.ensta.fr/~muguet
>
> MDPI Foundation Open Access Journals
> Associate Publisher
> http://www.mdpi.org   http://www.mdpi.net
> muguet@mdpi.org       muguet@mdpi.net
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
===============================================
RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations 
(CONGO)
web: http://www.ngocongo.org
email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 28 14:44:31 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications  on  the ITU informal consultation on WSIS implimentation
In-Reply-To: <ACADB74FBBEFD94795A03FDBBDE62D3727C7A3@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
Message-ID: <20050428134431.28749.qmail@web60711.mail.yahoo.com>

Wolfgang,
Is this meeting open to all or is it only for selected
human resources already invited ?
Cette rencontre du début mai est-elle ouverte à tous
ou réservée à des invités selectionnés ?

--- Wolfgang Kleinwächter
<wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
wrote:

> FYI
>  
> This is the agenda of the ITU meeting, may, 3 - 4,
> 2005. All documents can be downloaded for FREE.
>  
> http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/wsis_WG.html
>  
> Best
>  
>  
> wolfgang
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> Von: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org im Auftrag von Renata
> Bloem
> Gesendet: Mi 27.04.2005 18:18
> An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Betreff: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications on the
> ITU informal consultation on WSIS implimentation
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Bill
> 
> Thanks, for these clarifications. I was out of town
> and therefore did not
> speak to anybody in the ITU, but my own
> interpretation of the meeting was
> very similar to yours. I sent this yesterday to
> Tracey and the CSB, see
> below.
> I was, however, surprised to hear that they expected
> some CONGO people to
> attend. We were not asked to send this around as
> they had indicated of
> having very limited space.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Dear Bertrand, Tracey and all,
> 
> 
> 
> >Having been in Nairobi last week and again away
> until today, let me just
> >join in this discussion.
> >When I received the invitation for this
> consultation, I saw it mainly as an
> >attempt of the ITU to position itself in WSIS and
> follow-up in relation to
> >its own constituencies, (if you look at the agenda
> of the following
> WG->WSIS)
> >other UN agencies and the UN in general
> 
> >I have not been involved in this ITU WG-WSIS so
> far, but if you look at
> >some of their working papers, it becomes clear that
> they need to address
> >some of what the ITU should do in order to play a
> more substantive role in
> >WSIS follow up: e.g.
> 
> >to align it more clearly with WSIS goals and
> objectives;
> >to reflect more relevantly the MDGs
> >to have closer engagement with CS, (!)even
> >to have closer cooperation with the rest of the UN
> >and probably a number of other to dos.
> 
> >With other words, I see this exercise in the first
> place to get their house
> >in order to prepare better for becoming the
> whatever.overall coordinator of
> >the Plan of Action (according to the Russian
> proposal, not necessarily
> >endorsed by all governments).
> 
> >So the very brief consultation with other
> stakeholders should therefore be
> >seen in my view in this in-house perspective as one
> (among many)
> >consultations for follow up. (UNESCO, UNCTAD, OECD
> all prepare many
> >meetings, including on follow-up)
> 
> >I agree fully with Bertrand's letter (and thank you
> Bertrand!) to Janis
> >Karklins, in which way a more structured dialogue
> should take place. But I
> >would somewhat hesitate to send the other letter to
> Yuri Grin at this time,
> >precisely not to give more importance to that
> meeting than it has. However,
> >together with those who will attend, I will
> certainly raise the concerns.
> 
> >Best
> 
> >Renata
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Renate Bloem
> President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
> 11, Avenue de la Paix
> CH-1202 Geneva
> Tel: +41 22 301 1000
> Fax: +41 22 301 2000
> E-mil: rbloem@ngocongo.org
> Website: www.ngocongo.org
> 
> 
> 
> The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international,
> membership association
> that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United
> Nations debates and
> decisions. Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective
> is to ensure the
> presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's
> governments and United
> Nations agencies on issues of global concern.  For
> more information see our
> website at www.ngocongo.org
> 
> 
> 
> Hello Tracey,
> 
> The ITU Council's Working Group on WSIS has long had
> a meeting scheduled on
> the 3rd and 4th
> http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/wsis_WG.html to talk
> about
> ITU's role in WSIS.  The chair of the Council
> decided a couple of weeks ago
> to add on an informal meeting on the day prior to
> hear from other
> stakeholders, in part I think because ITU's been
> taking a lot of heat from
> CS about being a closed shop (especially in WGIG). 
> Three key points:
> 
> First, this is not a WSIS meeting; if it was it'd
> have been done by the WSIS
> secretariat and would have had to follow the
> relevant rules etc.  It's an
> ITU meeting, about ITU's role in WSIS, and an
> informal one at that, under
> the authority of the chair, which is why it hasn't
> appeared on the ITU's
> website and calendar of events.  Second, given the
> genesis described above,
> I wouldn't read too much into the way this was done
> in terms of setting
> precedents on CS participation in ITU, much less in
> WSIS. The chair of an
> ITU body can always call an informal meeting to hear
> what people have to say
> and invite whomever she or he wants.
> 
> Third, I just spoke with the head of the SG's
> strategy and policy shop, and
> asked who was invited and why.  He said that they'd
> simply pulled email
> addresses of people on the CS bureau, CS people
> based in Geneva like myself,
> and a few others they knew of.  Originally they
> thought they'd have a room
> that seats thirty, so they were trying to keep it
> small.  But there's been
> more demand than expected, so they've now moved it
> to a room that seats 100.
> He told me that about sixty people are registered at
> present, perhaps half
> of them from CS.  I expressed surprise because I'm
> not aware that there's 30
> WSIS CS people in Geneva, and he said well there are
> CONGO people, some
> folks from out of town, etc.  Didn't ask him to read
> a list.   He emphasized
> that now that they have a bigger room, they can
> accommodate more people if
> others would like to register.  I suggested they put
> the meeting
> announcement with a registration link somewhere
> visible 
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From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Thu Apr 28 14:55:50 2005
From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_Kleinw=E4chter?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: AW: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications  on  the ITU informal
 consultation on WSIS implimentation
Message-ID: 
 <ACADB74FBBEFD94795A03FDBBDE62D3727C7B8@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>

My understanding is that ITU meeting is for members only. But it would be good test ti fugure out whether they allow onlookers.
 
best
 
w
 

________________________________

Von: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org im Auftrag von djilali benamrane
Gesendet: Do 28.04.2005 15:44
An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Betreff: Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications on the ITU informal consultation on WSIS implimentation



Wolfgang,
Is this meeting open to all or is it only for selected
human resources already invited ?
Cette rencontre du d?but mai est-elle ouverte ? tous
ou r?serv?e ? des invit?s selectionn?s ?

--- Wolfgang Kleinw?chter
<wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
wrote:

> FYI
> 
> This is the agenda of the ITU meeting, may, 3 - 4,
> 2005. All documents can be downloaded for FREE.
> 
> http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/wsis_WG.html
> 
> Best
> 
> 
> wolfgang
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> ________________________________
>
> Von: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org im Auftrag von Renata
> Bloem
> Gesendet: Mi 27.04.2005 18:18
> An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Betreff: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications on the
> ITU informal consultation on WSIS implimentation
>
>
>
> Hi Bill
>
> Thanks, for these clarifications. I was out of town
> and therefore did not
> speak to anybody in the ITU, but my own
> interpretation of the meeting was
> very similar to yours. I sent this yesterday to
> Tracey and the CSB, see
> below.
> I was, however, surprised to hear that they expected
> some CONGO people to
> attend. We were not asked to send this around as
> they had indicated of
> having very limited space.
>
>
>
>
> >Dear Bertrand, Tracey and all,
>
>
>
> >Having been in Nairobi last week and again away
> until today, let me just
> >join in this discussion.
> >When I received the invitation for this
> consultation, I saw it mainly as an
> >attempt of the ITU to position itself in WSIS and
> follow-up in relation to
> >its own constituencies, (if you look at the agenda
> of the following
> WG->WSIS)
> >other UN agencies and the UN in general
>
> >I have not been involved in this ITU WG-WSIS so
> far, but if you look at
> >some of their working papers, it becomes clear that
> they need to address
> >some of what the ITU should do in order to play a
> more substantive role in
> >WSIS follow up: e.g.
>
> >to align it more clearly with WSIS goals and
> objectives;
> >to reflect more relevantly the MDGs
> >to have closer engagement with CS, (!)even
> >to have closer cooperation with the rest of the UN
> >and probably a number of other to dos.
>
> >With other words, I see this exercise in the first
> place to get their house
> >in order to prepare better for becoming the
> whatever.overall coordinator of
> >the Plan of Action (according to the Russian
> proposal, not necessarily
> >endorsed by all governments).
>
> >So the very brief consultation with other
> stakeholders should therefore be
> >seen in my view in this in-house perspective as one
> (among many)
> >consultations for follow up. (UNESCO, UNCTAD, OECD
> all prepare many
> >meetings, including on follow-up)
>
> >I agree fully with Bertrand's letter (and thank you
> Bertrand!) to Janis
> >Karklins, in which way a more structured dialogue
> should take place. But I
> >would somewhat hesitate to send the other letter to
> Yuri Grin at this time,
> >precisely not to give more importance to that
> meeting than it has. However,
> >together with those who will attend, I will
> certainly raise the concerns.
>
> >Best
>
> >Renata
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Renate Bloem
> President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
> 11, Avenue de la Paix
> CH-1202 Geneva
> Tel: +41 22 301 1000
> Fax: +41 22 301 2000
> E-mil: rbloem@ngocongo.org
> Website: www.ngocongo.org
>
>
>
> The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international,
> membership association
> that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United
> Nations debates and
> decisions. Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective
> is to ensure the
> presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's
> governments and United
> Nations agencies on issues of global concern.  For
> more information see our
> website at www.ngocongo.org
>
>
>
> Hello Tracey,
>
> The ITU Council's Working Group on WSIS has long had
> a meeting scheduled on
> the 3rd and 4th
> http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/wsis_WG.html to talk
> about
> ITU's role in WSIS.  The chair of the Council
> decided a couple of weeks ago
> to add on an informal meeting on the day prior to
> hear from other
> stakeholders, in part I think because ITU's been
> taking a lot of heat from
> CS about being a closed shop (especially in WGIG).
> Three key points:
>
> First, this is not a WSIS meeting; if it was it'd
> have been done by the WSIS
> secretariat and would have had to follow the
> relevant rules etc.  It's an
> ITU meeting, about ITU's role in WSIS, and an
> informal one at that, under
> the authority of the chair, which is why it hasn't
> appeared on the ITU's
> website and calendar of events.  Second, given the
> genesis described above,
> I wouldn't read too much into the way this was done
> in terms of setting
> precedents on CS participation in ITU, much less in
> WSIS. The chair of an
> ITU body can always call an informal meeting to hear
> what people have to say
> and invite whomever she or he wants.
>
> Third, I just spoke with the head of the SG's
> strategy and policy shop, and
> asked who was invited and why.  He said that they'd
> simply pulled email
> addresses of people on the CS bureau, CS people
> based in Geneva like myself,
> and a few others they knew of.  Originally they
> thought they'd have a room
> that seats thirty, so they were trying to keep it
> small.  But there's been
> more demand than expected, so they've now moved it
> to a room that seats 100.
> He told me that about sixty people are registered at
> present, perhaps half
> of them from CS.  I expressed surprise because I'm
> not aware that there's 30
> WSIS CS people in Geneva, and he said well there are
> CONGO people, some
> folks from out of town, etc.  Didn't ask him to read
> a list.   He emphasized
> that now that they have a bigger room, they can
> accommodate more people if
> others would like to register.  I suggested they put
> the meeting
> announcement with a registration link somewhere
> visible
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Tel/fax : (227) 75 35 09 BP 11207 - Niamey - Niger
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From wdrake at ictsd.ch  Thu Apr 28 15:19:23 2005
From: wdrake at ictsd.ch (William Drake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications  on  the ITU informal consultation on WSIS implimentation
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Hello Djilali,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> Behalf Of djilali benamrane

> Wolfgang,
> Is this meeting open to all or is it only for selected
> human resources already invited ?

While I'm not Wolfgang, I did say this previously,

> rather than to governments and corporations.  As to the Council
> WG itself, participation in that is more ambiguous.  I was told I
> could attend as an individual 'expert' but not as a CS person,
> since CSOs have no standing right to participate unless they are
> Sector Members or Associates.  Unfortunately, I can't go to any
> of this, as I'm speaking at the OECD's 2005 Forum in Paris, but
> if someone else wants to ask for an 'expert' invite it might work.

Maybe I wasn't being clear enough, so: I was told by the secretariat that if
one asks to be invited on the basis of being an expert rather than a CS
person it very well could be possible to attend.  Meeting chairs have
latitude on the former, but less on the latter.

Best,

Bill



From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 28 15:29:05 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications  on  the ITU informal consultation on WSIS implimentation
In-Reply-To: <423AEDF60026831F@mail15.bluewin.ch> (added by postmaster@bluewin.ch)
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Dears, 
We are living the same practice when UNDP selected on
its own who must represent the Civile Society
participating to the UN TFFM in New York...
As long as at our own level we have not a powerful
position to impose the CSB as the main or the only
porte parole of the CS we do have do deal with such a
situation.
Je rapelle seulement que cette pratique
d'identification contingeante des représentants de la
société civile a déjà été utilisée par le PNUD lors de
la désignation des membres du Groupe de travail sur
les mécanismes de financement et que nous sommes
responsables de tels agissements
Djilali
--- Renata Bloem <rbloem@ngocongo.org> wrote:

> Hi Bill 
> 
> Thanks, for these clarifications. I was out of town
> and therefore did not
> speak to anybody in the ITU, but my own
> interpretation of the meeting was
> very similar to yours. I sent this yesterday to
> Tracey and the CSB, see
> below.
> I was, however, surprised to hear that they expected
> some CONGO people to
> attend. We were not asked to send this around as
> they had indicated of
> having very limited space.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Dear Bertrand, Tracey and all,
> 
>  
> 
> >Having been in Nairobi last week and again away
> until today, let me just
> >join in this discussion. 
> >When I received the invitation for this
> consultation, I saw it mainly as an
> >attempt of the ITU to position itself in WSIS and
> follow-up in relation to 
> >its own constituencies, (if you look at the agenda
> of the following
> WG->WSIS) 
> >other UN agencies and the UN in general 
>  
> >I have not been involved in this ITU WG-WSIS so
> far, but if you look at
> >some of their working papers, it becomes clear that
> they need to address
> >some of what the ITU should do in order to play a
> more substantive role in
> >WSIS follow up: e.g. 
> 
> >to align it more clearly with WSIS goals and
> objectives; 
> >to reflect more relevantly the MDGs 
> >to have closer engagement with CS, (!)even 
> >to have closer cooperation with the rest of the UN 
> >and probably a number of other to dos.
> 
> >With other words, I see this exercise in the first
> place to get their house
> >in order to prepare better for becoming the
> whatever.overall coordinator of
> >the Plan of Action (according to the Russian
> proposal, not necessarily
> >endorsed by all governments). 
> 
> >So the very brief consultation with other
> stakeholders should therefore be
> >seen in my view in this in-house perspective as one
> (among many)
> >consultations for follow up. (UNESCO, UNCTAD, OECD
> all prepare many
> >meetings, including on follow-up)
> 
> >I agree fully with Bertrand's letter (and thank you
> Bertrand!) to Janis
> >Karklins, in which way a more structured dialogue
> should take place. But I
> >would somewhat hesitate to send the other letter to
> Yuri Grin at this time,
> >precisely not to give more importance to that
> meeting than it has. However,
> >together with those who will attend, I will
> certainly raise the concerns.
> 
> >Best
> 
> >Renata 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Renate Bloem
> President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
> 11, Avenue de la Paix
> CH-1202 Geneva
> Tel: +41 22 301 1000
> Fax: +41 22 301 2000
> E-mil: rbloem@ngocongo.org
> Website: www.ngocongo.org
> 
>  
> 
> The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international,
> membership association
> that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United
> Nations debates and
> decisions. Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective
> is to ensure the
> presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's
> governments and United
> Nations agencies on issues of global concern.  For
> more information see our
> website at www.ngocongo.org
> 
> 
> 
> Hello Tracey,
> 
> The ITU Council's Working Group on WSIS has long had
> a meeting scheduled on
> the 3rd and 4th
> http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/wsis_WG.html to talk
> about
> ITU's role in WSIS.  The chair of the Council
> decided a couple of weeks ago
> to add on an informal meeting on the day prior to
> hear from other
> stakeholders, in part I think because ITU's been
> taking a lot of heat from
> CS about being a closed shop (especially in WGIG). 
> Three key points:
> 
> First, this is not a WSIS meeting; if it was it'd
> have been done by the WSIS
> secretariat and would have had to follow the
> relevant rules etc.  It's an
> ITU meeting, about ITU's role in WSIS, and an
> informal one at that, under
> the authority of the chair, which is why it hasn't
> appeared on the ITU's
> website and calendar of events.  Second, given the
> genesis described above,
> I wouldn't read too much into the way this was done
> in terms of setting
> precedents on CS participation in ITU, much less in
> WSIS. The chair of an
> ITU body can always call an informal meeting to hear
> what people have to say
> and invite whomever she or he wants.
> 
> Third, I just spoke with the head of the SG's
> strategy and policy shop, and
> asked who was invited and why.  He said that they'd
> simply pulled email
> addresses of people on the CS bureau, CS people
> based in Geneva like myself,
> and a few others they knew of.  Originally they
> thought they'd have a room
> that seats thirty, so they were trying to keep it
> small.  But there's been
> more demand than expected, so they've now moved it
> to a room that seats 100.
> He told me that about sixty people are registered at
> present, perhaps half
> of them from CS.  I expressed surprise because I'm
> not aware that there's 30
> WSIS CS people in Geneva, and he said well there are
> CONGO people, some
> folks from out of town, etc.  Didn't ask him to read
> a list.   He emphasized
> that now that they have a bigger room, they can
> accommodate more people if
> others would like to register.  I suggested they put
> the meeting
> announcement with a registration link somewhere
> visible on the website, and
> he said they'd get on it.  So anyone else who wants
> to go, maybe check the
> URL above in a day or so.
> 
> I should add that it's not obvious how many ITU
> members will be attending,
> since ITU-T is also holding a meeting that day to
> provide input into the
> Council Working Group.  So probably attendees will
> be speaking mostly to the
> chair and some staffers, rather than to governments
> and corporations.  As to
> the Council WG itself, participation in that is more
> ambiguous.  I was told
> I could attend as an individual 'expert' but not as
> a CS person, since CSOs
> have no standing right to participate unless they
> are Sector Members or
> Associates.  Unfortunately, I can't go to any of
> this, as I'm speaking at
> the OECD's 2005 Forum in Paris, but if someone else
> wants to ask for an
> 'expert' invite it might work.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> 
=== message truncated ===


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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 28 15:33:24 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications  on  the ITU informal consultation on WSIS implimentation
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050428143324.61660.qmail@web60724.mail.yahoo.com>

OK  and many thanks for this clarification which put a
real problem... we need a decision on CS
representativity during the inter phase and
meetings... this push to address the financial
resources to assign somebody or institution to be
present and active oth in NY, Geneva and Tunis.....
Poor CS !
  
--- William Drake <wdrake@ictsd.ch> wrote:
> Hello Djilali,
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org
> [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> > Behalf Of djilali benamrane
> 
> > Wolfgang,
> > Is this meeting open to all or is it only for
> selected
> > human resources already invited ?
> 
> While I'm not Wolfgang, I did say this previously,
> 
> > rather than to governments and corporations.  As
> to the Council
> > WG itself, participation in that is more
> ambiguous.  I was told I
> > could attend as an individual 'expert' but not as
> a CS person,
> > since CSOs have no standing right to participate
> unless they are
> > Sector Members or Associates.  Unfortunately, I
> can't go to any
> > of this, as I'm speaking at the OECD's 2005 Forum
> in Paris, but
> > if someone else wants to ask for an 'expert'
> invite it might work.
> 
> Maybe I wasn't being clear enough, so: I was told by
> the secretariat that if
> one asks to be invited on the basis of being an
> expert rather than a CS
> person it very well could be possible to attend. 
> Meeting chairs have
> latitude on the former, but less on the latter.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
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From muguet at mdpi.org  Thu Apr 28 20:26:14 2005
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications  on  the ITU informal consultation
 on WSIS implimentation
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Hello

For full disclosure of information and transparency here is the address
of the web site of  this "informal consultation"  that I just received
in my mail.
http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/Informal_Consultations/Informal_Consultations.html
It is quite interesting to have a look also at the web site
http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/wsis_WG.html
of the ITU Council Working Group on WSIS.
Then one notices that there is
the *Eighth**  meeting of ** the Council WG-WSIS - CCV, Geneva, 3-4 May 
2005*
( for governement only ).
The link between the 2 meetings seems obvious.
It seems that one must read all the documents of both meetings before
one could get an informed judgement of what's going on.
I did not have time to read the  preparatory documents.
I guess it would have been better to have had CS observers admitted there
instead of calling a semi-secret meeting just before with a few
selected CS persons. 
Concerning the question if this 2 May meeting is open to the uninvited,  
my guess
is that at least one person who is going to attend was not invited, but 
filled
the form posted by Ralf on the plenary and got invited.
Conversely many persons who were invited could not come.
I would therefore encourage people to fill the registration form
and try to attend if they can travel to the crime scene in time.
Djilali is quite right in reminding us of the selection process
of the CS representatives at the TFFM.

Best regards

Francis


>OK  and many thanks for this clarification which put a
>real problem... we need a decision on CS
>representativity during the inter phase and
>meetings... this push to address the financial
>resources to assign somebody or institution to be
>present and active oth in NY, Geneva and Tunis.....
>Poor CS !
>  
>--- William Drake <wdrake@ictsd.ch> wrote:
>  
>
>>Hello Djilali,
>>
>>    
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org
>>>      
>>>
>>[mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
>>    
>>
>>>Behalf Of djilali benamrane
>>>      
>>>
>>>Wolfgang,
>>>Is this meeting open to all or is it only for
>>>      
>>>
>>selected
>>    
>>
>>>human resources already invited ?
>>>      
>>>
>>While I'm not Wolfgang, I did say this previously,
>>
>>    
>>
>>>rather than to governments and corporations.  As
>>>      
>>>
>>to the Council
>>    
>>
>>>WG itself, participation in that is more
>>>      
>>>
>>ambiguous.  I was told I
>>    
>>
>>>could attend as an individual 'expert' but not as
>>>      
>>>
>>a CS person,
>>    
>>
>>>since CSOs have no standing right to participate
>>>      
>>>
>>unless they are
>>    
>>
>>>Sector Members or Associates.  Unfortunately, I
>>>      
>>>
>>can't go to any
>>    
>>
>>>of this, as I'm speaking at the OECD's 2005 Forum
>>>      
>>>
>>in Paris, but
>>    
>>
>>>if someone else wants to ask for an 'expert'
>>>      
>>>
>>invite it might work.
>>
>>Maybe I wasn't being clear enough, so: I was told by
>>the secretariat that if
>>one asks to be invited on the basis of being an
>>expert rather than a CS
>>person it very well could be possible to attend. 
>>Meeting chairs have
>>latitude on the former, but less on the latter.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Bill
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Plenary mailing list
>>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>
>>    
>>
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>  
>
>
>Djilali Benamrane : dbenamrane@yahoo.com
>Tel/fax : (227) 75 35 09 BP 11207 - Niamey - Niger
>T?l/Fax : (331) 01 45 39 77 02 Paris - France
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From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Thu Apr 28 20:36:12 2005
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_AW:_AW:_[WSIS_CS-Plenary]_Clarifications_=C2=A0on_=C2=A0t?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?he_ITU_informal_consultation_on_WSIS_implimentation?=
Message-ID: <10601724.1114716972410.JavaMail.www@wwinf1313>

Dear Wolfgang and Djilali
The ITU Council meeting is a "closed meeting" allowing only elected Members (representatives of the 46 States elected during the 2002 Plenipotentiary Conference) to participate actively. Other ITU Members could be "onlookers". But of course other "onlookers" are forbidden there.(if you want to know more abour the ITU's functioning please see www.csdptt.org : l'UIT : la vieille dame des t?l?communications) 
That's why on behalf of CSDPTT I asked the CS Plenary as soon as PrepCom-1 to demand that the ITU Secretary general admits CS WSIS accredited organisations as members -or at least as acknowledged observers- of the Development Sector of ITU (ITU-D). However this proposal was not accepted by the CS majority, including Wolgang and others. I nevertheless presented this proposal to the intergouvernmental plenary at PrepCom-2 with no more success as you can notice it two years later. That's why I will represent it on the monday ITU meeting. 
In effect, the monday afternoon meeting is "informal" and CS representatives are allowed to participate (I don't know if tere is a "numerus clausus") if they are registered previously (jaroslav.ponder@itu.int). 
Best regards
Jean-Louis Fullsack. 





> Message du 28/04/05 15:58
> De : "Wolfgang Kleinw?chter" 
> A : plenary@wsis-cs.org, plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Copie ? : 
> Objet : AW: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications on the ITU informal consultation on WSIS implimentation
> 
> My understanding is that ITU meeting is for members only. But it would be good test ti fugure out whether they allow onlookers.
> 
> best
> 
> w
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> Von: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org im Auftrag von djilali benamrane
> Gesendet: Do 28.04.2005 15:44
> An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Betreff: Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications on the ITU informal consultation on WSIS implimentation
> 
> 
> 
> Wolfgang,
> Is this meeting open to all or is it only for selected
> human resources already invited ?
> Cette rencontre du d?but mai est-elle ouverte ? tous
> ou r?serv?e ? des invit?s selectionn?s ?
> 
> --- Wolfgang Kleinw?chter
> 
> wrote:
> 
> > FYI
> > 
> > This is the agenda of the ITU meeting, may, 3 - 4,
> > 2005. All documents can be downloaded for FREE.
> > 
> > http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/wsis_WG.html
> > 
> > Best
> > 
> > 
> > wolfgang
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > Von: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org im Auftrag von Renata
> > Bloem
> > Gesendet: Mi 27.04.2005 18:18
> > An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > Betreff: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications on the
> > ITU informal consultation on WSIS implimentation
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Bill
> >
> > Thanks, for these clarifications. I was out of town
> > and therefore did not
> > speak to anybody in the ITU, but my own
> > interpretation of the meeting was
> > very similar to yours. I sent this yesterday to
> > Tracey and the CSB, see
> > below.
> > I was, however, surprised to hear that they expected
> > some CONGO people to
> > attend. We were not asked to send this around as
> > they had indicated of
> > having very limited space.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >Dear Bertrand, Tracey and all,
> >
> >
> >
> > >Having been in Nairobi last week and again away
> > until today, let me just
> > >join in this discussion.
> > >When I received the invitation for this
> > consultation, I saw it mainly as an
> > >attempt of the ITU to position itself in WSIS and
> > follow-up in relation to
> > >its own constituencies, (if you look at the agenda
> > of the following
> > WG->WSIS)
> > >other UN agencies and the UN in general
> >
> > >I have not been involved in this ITU WG-WSIS so
> > far, but if you look at
> > >some of their working papers, it becomes clear that
> > they need to address
> > >some of what the ITU should do in order to play a
> > more substantive role in
> > >WSIS follow up: e.g.
> >
> > >to align it more clearly with WSIS goals and
> > objectives;
> > >to reflect more relevantly the MDGs
> > >to have closer engagement with CS, (!)even
> > >to have closer cooperation with the rest of the UN
> > >and probably a number of other to dos.
> >
> > >With other words, I see this exercise in the first
> > place to get their house
> > >in order to prepare better for becoming the
> > whatever.overall coordinator of
> > >the Plan of Action (according to the Russian
> > proposal, not necessarily
> > >endorsed by all governments).
> >
> > >So the very brief consultation with other
> > stakeholders should therefore be
> > >seen in my view in this in-house perspective as one
> > (among many)
> > >consultations for follow up. (UNESCO, UNCTAD, OECD
> > all prepare many
> > >meetings, including on follow-up)
> >
> > >I agree fully with Bertrand's letter (and thank you
> > Bertrand!) to Janis
> > >Karklins, in which way a more structured dialogue
> > should take place. But I
> > >would somewhat hesitate to send the other letter to
> > Yuri Grin at this time,
> > >precisely not to give more importance to that
> > meeting than it has. However,
> > >together with those who will attend, I will
> > certainly raise the concerns.
> >
> > >Best
> >
> > >Renata
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Renate Bloem
> > President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
> > 11, Avenue de la Paix
> > CH-1202 Geneva
> > Tel: +41 22 301 1000
> > Fax: +41 22 301 2000
> > E-mil: rbloem@ngocongo.org
> > Website: www.ngocongo.org
> >
> >
> >
> > The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international,
> > membership association
> > that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United
> > Nations debates and
> > decisions. Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective
> > is to ensure the
> > presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's
> > governments and United
> > Nations agencies on issues of global concern. For
> > more information see our
> > website at www.ngocongo.org
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello Tracey,
> >
> > The ITU Council's Working Group on WSIS has long had
> > a meeting scheduled on
> > the 3rd and 4th
> > http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/wsis_WG.html to talk
> > about
> > ITU's role in WSIS. The chair of the Council
> > decided a couple of weeks ago
> > to add on an informal meeting on the day prior to
> > hear from other
> > stakeholders, in part I think because ITU's been
> > taking a lot of heat from
> > CS about being a closed shop (especially in WGIG).
> > Three key points:
> >
> > First, this is not a WSIS meeting; if it was it'd
> > have been done by the WSIS
> > secretariat and would have had to follow the
> > relevant rules etc. It's an
> > ITU meeting, about ITU's role in WSIS, and an
> > informal one at that, under
> > the authority of the chair, which is why it hasn't
> > appeared on the ITU's
> > website and calendar of events. Second, given the
> > genesis described above,
> > I wouldn't read too much into the way this was done
> > in terms of setting
> > precedents on CS participation in ITU, much less in
> > WSIS. The chair of an
> > ITU body can always call an informal meeting to hear
> > what people have to say
> > and invite whomever she or he wants.
> >
> > Third, I just spoke with the head of the SG's
> > strategy and policy shop, and
> > asked who was invited and why. He said that they'd
> > simply pulled email
> > addresses of people on the CS bureau, CS people
> > based in Geneva like myself,
> > and a few others they knew of. Originally they
> > thought they'd have a room
> > that seats thirty, so they were trying to keep it
> > small. But there's been
> > more demand than expected, so they've now moved it
> > to a room that seats 100.
> > He told me that about sixty people are registered at
> > present, perhaps half
> > of them from CS. I expressed surprise because I'm
> > not aware that there's 30
> > WSIS CS people in Geneva, and he said well there are
> > CONGO people, some
> > folks from out of town, etc. Didn't ask him to read
> > a list. He emphasized
> > that now that they have a bigger room, they can
> > accommodate more people if
> > others would like to register. I suggested they put
> > the meeting
> > announcement with a registration link somewhere
> > visible
> === message truncated ===
> 
> 
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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Thu Apr 28 20:43:55 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] summit - expectations - who's coming...
In-Reply-To: <20050428143324.61660.qmail@web60724.mail.yahoo.com>
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I read in an earlier post - perhaps it was Francis - where it was 
stated that some 150 heads of state would be coming to the 
summit.......

hmmm.. i really doubt it. One must recal that during the first phase 
an equal # (or higher) was also envisioned, but in the end - the 
reality was quite different.

I think it is way too premature to discuss which heads of state will 
be coming. At least now. Let's wait for PC3

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From tracey at traceynaughton.com  Fri Apr 29 07:37:36 2005
From: tracey at traceynaughton.com (Tracey Naughton)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
Message-ID: <49d077823dadeacf0428f8baee4f7268@traceynaughton.com>

+++Fran?ais automatique de traduction ci-dessous+++

Bertrand, Francis, William and everyone,

Thanks for your time spent on the matter of the ITU May 2nd 
consultations. All points are well taken including that people who 
could attend, register and rush to the 'crime scene'. (Francis)

It is clear that there is much concern about and enthusiasm to 
participate in plans for follow up mechanisms.

It is also clear that while no doubt well intentioned the ITU cherry 
picked invitees whilst not being aware of the wealth of expertise they 
were potentially excluding in that process, or of the democratic 
procedures that operationalise CS participation.

I think we have a our bases covered now. We have trusted colleagues 
there, we make the point at the meeting, that this should not be 
labeled as a broad consultation, we hear later from those present what 
was said,  and we call for broader CS participation in future meetings 
to address this topic.

regards to all,

Tracey Naughton
Co-convenor CSB

Bertrand, Francis, William et chacun,

Merci pour votre temps pass? au sujet des consultations d'ITU le 2 mai.

Tous les points sont bien pris comprenant celui les gens qui pourraient 
s'occuper, s'enregistrer et se pr?cipiter ? la 'sc?ne de crime '. 
(Francis)

Il est clair qu'il y ait beaucoup de souci concernant et l'enthousiasme 
? participer aux plans pour des m?canismes d'ult?rieur. Il est 
?galement clair que tandis qu'aucun puits de doute pas intentioned les 
invitees s?lectionn?s par cerise d'ITU tandis que ne se rendant pas 
compte de la richesse de l'expertise qu'ils excluaient potentiellement 
dans ce processus, ou des proc?dures d?mocratiques cette participation 
de CS d'operationalise.

Je pense que nous faisons couvrir nos bases maintenant. Nous avons fait 
confiance ? des coll?gues l?, nous faisons la remarque lors de la 
r?union, que ceci ne devrait pas ?tre marqu? comme large consultation, 
nous recevons des nouvelles plus tard des participants ce qui ?tait 
dit, et nous r?clamons une plus large participation de CS ? de futures 
r?unions pour adresser cette mati?re.

respect ? tous,

Tracey Naughton
Co-convenor CSB

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From karenb at gn.apc.org  Thu Apr 28 15:22:15 2005
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications  on  the ITU informal
  consultation on WSIS implimentation
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050428152041.03e5bc10@pop.gn.apc.org>

hi all

>Wolfgang,
>Is this meeting open to all or is it only for selected
>human resources already invited ?
>Cette rencontre du d?but mai est-elle ouverte ? tous
>ou r?serv?e ? des invit?s selectionn?s ?

i think we may be mixing up two different meetings. The ITU informal 
consultation on follow up mechanisms is may 2nd afternoon (only) and is the 
meeting tracey wrote about asking for those who had been invited to let 
plenary know.

The meeting wolfgang has written about appears to be a completely separate 
meeting which i know nothing about.

> > This is the agenda of the ITU meeting, may, 3 - 4,
> > 2005. All documents can be downloaded for FREE.
> >
> > http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/wsis_WG.html

karen



From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Fri Apr 29 09:24:06 2005
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
Message-ID: <32938762.1114763046600.JavaMail.www@wwinf0501>

Dear Tracey and all
I'd just remind you and our CS colleagues that I sent some comments to the list on this ITU "WSIS Follow-up" meeting, and I made strong reservations about the "represntative sample" invited to participate.
Further I also mentioned that I'll attend it and report shortly on its main concerns and outcomes, of course with my usually critical views.
NB : Excerpt from the ITU invitation document : "The purpose of this informal consultation is to assess the views of a represntative sample of WSIS stakeholders on the implementation mechanisms (...) Pleasenote that the meeting will be conducted in English only". 
Best regards 
Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT-France

On 21rst I sent this answer to Renate's message announcing the ITU meeting
Dear Renata and all
This meeting is hold in english exclusively. It is therefore not qualified as "to assess the views of a representative sample of WSIS stakeholders" , unless "representative" means implicitely "english speaking". 
However, I'll do my best to be there.
Best regards
Jean-Louis Fullsack 






> Message du 29/04/05 08:39
> De : "Tracey Naughton" 
> A : plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Copie ? : 
> Objet : [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
> 
> +++Fran?ais automatique de traduction ci-dessous+++
> 
> Bertrand, Francis, William and everyone,
> 
> Thanks for your time spent on the matter of the ITU May 2nd 
> consultations. All points are well taken including that people who 
> could attend, register and rush to the 'crime scene'. (Francis)
> 
> It is clear that there is much concern about and enthusiasm to 
> participate in plans for follow up mechanisms.
> 
> It is also clear that while no doubt well intentioned the ITU cherry 
> picked invitees whilst not being aware of the wealth of expertise they 
> were potentially excluding in that process, or of the democratic 
> procedures that operationalise CS participation.
> 
> I think we have a our bases covered now. We have trusted colleagues 
> there, we make the point at the meeting, that this should not be 
> labeled as a broad consultation, we hear later from those present what 
> was said, and we call for broader CS participation in future meetings 
> to address this topic.
> 
> regards to all,
> 
> Tracey Naughton
> Co-convenor CSB
> 
> Bertrand, Francis, William et chacun,
> 
> Merci pour votre temps pass? au sujet des consultations d'ITU le 2 mai.
> 
> Tous les points sont bien pris comprenant celui les gens qui pourraient 
> s'occuper, s'enregistrer et se pr?cipiter ? la 'sc?ne de crime '. 
> (Francis)
> 
> Il est clair qu'il y ait beaucoup de souci concernant et l'enthousiasme 
> ? participer aux plans pour des m?canismes d'ult?rieur. Il est 
> ?galement clair que tandis qu'aucun puits de doute pas intentioned les 
> invitees s?lectionn?s par cerise d'ITU tandis que ne se rendant pas 
> compte de la richesse de l'expertise qu'ils excluaient potentiellement 
> dans ce processus, ou des proc?dures d?mocratiques cette participation 
> de CS d'operationalise.
> 
> Je pense que nous faisons couvrir nos bases maintenant. Nous avons fait 
> confiance ? des coll?gues l?, nous faisons la remarque lors de la 
> r?union, que ceci ne devrait pas ?tre marqu? comme large consultation, 
> nous recevons des nouvelles plus tard des participants ce qui ?tait 
> dit, et nous r?clamons une plus large participation de CS ? de futures 
> r?unions pour adresser cette mati?re.
> 
> respect ? tous,
> 
> Tracey Naughton
> Co-convenor CSB
> 
> >
> [ (pas de nom de fichier) (2.4 Ko) ]
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From tracey at traceynaughton.com  Fri Apr 29 10:10:36 2005
From: tracey at traceynaughton.com (Tracey Naughton)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] thanks
Message-ID: <095ff74b2f602b70a483aaa8b61711af@traceynaughton.com>

Sorry John-Louis

I should certainly have mentioned your efforts too, which are much 
appreciated. Look forward to your perspective on the meeting.

Tracey Naughton


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From karenb at gn.apc.org  Fri Apr 29 11:16:10 2005
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
In-Reply-To: <32938762.1114763046600.JavaMail.www@wwinf0501>
References: <32938762.1114763046600.JavaMail.www@wwinf0501>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050429111525.05874eb0@pop.gn.apc.org>

hi all

So, what is the final list of CS reps?

I won't be attending.

karen



From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 29 11:37:17 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050429103717.54105.qmail@web60718.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Jean Louis !
I shall not attend the Geneva "ITU Wsis follow up
meeting"... I have not been invited as many colleagues
of the CSB. Thanks for the information consisting on
the Unical English language decided by ITU... Poor
other languages users invited to the meeting...
Perhaps between english speakers, discussions should
be more "conviviales", more "plaisantes et
complaisantes"....
Anyway, have a good meeting and don't forget that you
will also be a relevant representative of our
Discussion Group on Finance issues. We are waitting
for your comments and reporting....
All the best
Djilali 
--- Jean-Louis FULLSACK <jlfullsack@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> Dear Tracey and all
> I'd just remind you and our CS colleagues that I
> sent some comments to the list on this ITU "WSIS
> Follow-up" meeting, and I made strong reservations
> about the "represntative sample" invited to
> participate.
> Further I also mentioned that I'll attend it and
> report shortly on its main concerns and outcomes, of
> course with my usually critical views.
> NB : Excerpt from the ITU invitation document : "The
> purpose of this informal consultation is to assess
> the views of a represntative sample of WSIS
> stakeholders on the implementation mechanisms (...)
> Pleasenote that the meeting will be conducted in
> English only". 
> Best regards 
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> CSDPTT-France
> 
> On 21rst I sent this answer to Renate's message
> announcing the ITU meeting
> Dear Renata and all
> This meeting is hold in english exclusively. It is
> therefore not qualified as "to assess the views of a
> representative sample of WSIS stakeholders" , unless
> "representative" means implicitely "english
> speaking". 
> However, I'll do my best to be there.
> Best regards
> Jean-Louis Fullsack 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Message du 29/04/05 08:39
> > De : "Tracey Naughton" 
> > A : plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > Copie à : 
> > Objet : [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation -
> bases covered
> > 
> > +++Français automatique de traduction
> ci-dessous+++
> > 
> > Bertrand, Francis, William and everyone,
> > 
> > Thanks for your time spent on the matter of the
> ITU May 2nd 
> > consultations. All points are well taken including
> that people who 
> > could attend, register and rush to the 'crime
> scene'. (Francis)
> > 
> > It is clear that there is much concern about and
> enthusiasm to 
> > participate in plans for follow up mechanisms.
> > 
> > It is also clear that while no doubt well
> intentioned the ITU cherry 
> > picked invitees whilst not being aware of the
> wealth of expertise they 
> > were potentially excluding in that process, or of
> the democratic 
> > procedures that operationalise CS participation.
> > 
> > I think we have a our bases covered now. We have
> trusted colleagues 
> > there, we make the point at the meeting, that this
> should not be 
> > labeled as a broad consultation, we hear later
> from those present what 
> > was said, and we call for broader CS participation
> in future meetings 
> > to address this topic.
> > 
> > regards to all,
> > 
> > Tracey Naughton
> > Co-convenor CSB
> > 
> > Bertrand, Francis, William et chacun,
> > 
> > Merci pour votre temps passé au sujet des
> consultations d'ITU le 2 mai.
> > 
> > Tous les points sont bien pris comprenant celui
> les gens qui pourraient 
> > s'occuper, s'enregistrer et se précipiter à la
> 'scène de crime '. 
> > (Francis)
> > 
> > Il est clair qu'il y ait beaucoup de souci
> concernant et l'enthousiasme 
> > à participer aux plans pour des mécanismes
> d'ultérieur. Il est 
> > également clair que tandis qu'aucun puits de doute
> pas intentioned les 
> > invitees sélectionnés par cerise d'ITU tandis que
> ne se rendant pas 
> > compte de la richesse de l'expertise qu'ils
> excluaient potentiellement 
> > dans ce processus, ou des procédures démocratiques
> cette participation 
> > de CS d'operationalise.
> > 
> > Je pense que nous faisons couvrir nos bases
> maintenant. Nous avons fait 
> > confiance à des collègues là, nous faisons la
> remarque lors de la 
> > réunion, que ceci ne devrait pas être marqué comme
> large consultation, 
> > nous recevons des nouvelles plus tard des
> participants ce qui était 
> > dit, et nous réclamons une plus large
> participation de CS à de futures 
> > réunions pour adresser cette matière.
> > 
> > respect à tous,
> > 
> > Tracey Naughton
> > Co-convenor CSB
> > 
> > >
> > [ (pas de nom de fichier) (2.4 Ko) ]

Djilali Benamrane : dbenamrane@yahoo.com
Tel/fax : (227) 75 35 09 BP 11207 - Niamey - Niger
Tél/Fax : (331) 01 45 39 77 02 Paris - France
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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Fri Apr 29 14:03:23 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
In-Reply-To: <32938762.1114763046600.JavaMail.www@wwinf0501>
References: <32938762.1114763046600.JavaMail.www@wwinf0501>
Message-ID: <1114779804.4196.54.camel@croce.dyf.it>

Il giorno ven, 29-04-2005 alle 10:24 +0200, Jean-Louis FULLSACK ha
scritto:
> NB : Excerpt from the ITU invitation document : "The purpose of this
> informal consultation is to assess the views of a represntative sample
> of WSIS stakeholders on the implementation mechanisms (...) Pleasenote
> that the meeting will be conducted in English only". 

Perhaps someone among those CS people who will be present could be
tasked with reading a short statement that remarks that civil society
attendants, having been selected by the organizers, do not constitute a
representative sample of civil society stakeholders at WSIS, and only
speak for themselves and their own organizations, and that
representatives of civil society should be self-selected by civil
society itself?
-- 
vb.             [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...


From ca at rits.org.br  Fri Apr 29 14:39:07 2005
From: ca at rits.org.br (Carlos Afonso)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
In-Reply-To: <1114779804.4196.54.camel@croce.dyf.it>
References: <32938762.1114763046600.JavaMail.www@wwinf0501> <1114779804.4196.54.camel@croce.dyf.it>
Message-ID: <427238FB.5000905@rits.org.br>

I agree, but with a qualification: those selected might be members of 
one or more of our cauci (caucuses?), and the statement as it reads now 
gives the impression we do not trust the CS people who will be present, 
so maybe we could rewrite it to be less blunt?

--c.a.

Vittorio Bertola wrote:

>Il giorno ven, 29-04-2005 alle 10:24 +0200, Jean-Louis FULLSACK ha
>scritto:
>  
>
>>NB : Excerpt from the ITU invitation document : "The purpose of this
>>informal consultation is to assess the views of a represntative sample
>>of WSIS stakeholders on the implementation mechanisms (...) Pleasenote
>>that the meeting will be conducted in English only". 
>>    
>>
>
>Perhaps someone among those CS people who will be present could be
>tasked with reading a short statement that remarks that civil society
>attendants, having been selected by the organizers, do not constitute a
>representative sample of civil society stakeholders at WSIS, and only
>speak for themselves and their own organizations, and that
>representatives of civil society should be self-selected by civil
>society itself?
>  
>

-- 
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From mr.marouen at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 16:03:39 2005
From: mr.marouen at gmail.com (Marouen MRAIHI)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About Unesco seminar in Bamako
Message-ID: <9ea79150504290803170588f0@mail.gmail.com>

Concerning Unesco seminar of Bamako "
Multilingualism for Cultural Diversity and Participation of All in 
Cyberspace" 
http://portal.unesco.org/ci/en/ev.php-URL_ID=17688&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html,
since I am already in Bamako, if anyone needs a help for hosting (hotel 
booking or free hosting :) let me know. 

I'll be blogging what will be happening there

Marouen MRAIHI
WSIS Youth Caucus 
http://www.wsisyouth.org 
http://www.mraihi.com
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From mr.marouen at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 17:13:28 2005
From: mr.marouen at gmail.com (Marouen MRAIHI)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Fwd: About Unesco seminar in Bamako
In-Reply-To: <9ea791505042908094a818acc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9ea79150504290803170588f0@mail.gmail.com>
	 <9ea791505042908094a818acc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ea79150504290913639340fa@mail.gmail.com>

BTW 
the agenda is here (it seems really interesting) 
http://portal.unesco.org/ci/en/ev.php-URL_ID=18391&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

Marouen MRAIHI
 WSIS Youth Caucus 
http://www.wsisyouth.org 
http://www.mraihi.com 

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Marouen MRAIHI <mr.marouen@gmail.com>
Date: 29 avr. 2005 15:09
Subject: About Unesco seminar in Bamako

Concerning Unesco seminar of Bamako "
Multilingualism for Cultural Diversity and Participation of All in 
Cyberspace" http://portal.unesco.org/ci/en/ev.php-URL_ID=17688&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html
, since I am already in Bamako, if anyone needs a help for hosting (hotel 
booking or free hosting :) let me know. 

I'll be blogging what will be happening there

Marouen MRAIHI
WSIS Youth Caucus 
http://www.wsisyouth.org 
http://www.mraihi.com
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From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Fri Apr 29 17:35:55 2005
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
Message-ID: <11806946.1114792555900.JavaMail.www@wwinf0501>

Dear Karen
I cannot answer your question, but I can tell you that I'm already registered, and Francis Muguet will also attend the meeting. 
Best regards
Jean-Louis




> Message du 29/04/05 12:28
> De : "karen banks" 
> A : plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Copie ? : 
> Objet : Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
> 
> hi all
> 
> So, what is the final list of CS reps?
> 
> I won't be attending.
> 
> karen
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Fri Apr 29 17:49:24 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
In-Reply-To: <427238FB.5000905@rits.org.br>
References: <32938762.1114763046600.JavaMail.www@wwinf0501>
	 <1114779804.4196.54.camel@croce.dyf.it>  <427238FB.5000905@rits.org.br>
Message-ID: <1114793364.4196.102.camel@croce.dyf.it>

Il giorno ven, 29-04-2005 alle 10:39 -0300, Carlos Afonso ha scritto:
> I agree, but with a qualification: those selected might be members of 
> one or more of our cauci (caucuses?), and the statement as it reads now 
> gives the impression we do not trust the CS people who will be present, 

Of course that was not my intention... so we should write it so that we
are comfortable with it, or just let the people there phrase the
concerns in a satisfactory way (we don't have time to do collective
drafting anyway).
-- 
vb.             [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...


From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Fri Apr 29 17:52:15 2005
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:51 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
Message-ID: <58824.1114793535065.JavaMail.www@wwinf0501>

I fully agree to Vittorio's arguments and I'll probably mention rhem in my statement on the meeting.
But let me just mention than I don't feel less "representatiive of CS" than the authors of the final Press Conference at Prep-Com-2, or than the authors of the "Common statement of CS and Private sector" to the Intergouvernmental Committee during Prep-Com-2. Moreover, I promise Vittorio and all the members of the list that I won't commit the CS in any manner during and after this meeting.  
Best regards
Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT-France 





> Message du 29/04/05 15:05
> De : "Vittorio Bertola" 
> A : "WSIS Plenary" 
> Copie ? : 
> Objet : Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
> 
> Il giorno ven, 29-04-2005 alle 10:24 +0200, Jean-Louis FULLSACK ha
> scritto:
> > NB : Excerpt from the ITU invitation document : "The purpose of this
> > informal consultation is to assess the views of a represntative sample
> > of WSIS stakeholders on the implementation mechanisms (...) Pleasenote
> > that the meeting will be conducted in English only". 
> 
> Perhaps someone among those CS people who will be present could be
> tasked with reading a short statement that remarks that civil society
> attendants, having been selected by the organizers, do not constitute a
> representative sample of civil society stakeholders at WSIS, and only
> speak for themselves and their own organizations, and that
> representatives of civil society should be self-selected by civil
> society itself?
> -- 
> vb. [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
> http://bertola.eu.org/ <- Prima o poi...
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
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From: ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es (Lady Murrugarra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:52 2007
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From ca at rits.org.br  Fri Apr 29 19:53:00 2005
From: ca at rits.org.br (Carlos Afonso)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:52 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
In-Reply-To: <1114793364.4196.102.camel@croce.dyf.it>
References: <32938762.1114763046600.JavaMail.www@wwinf0501>	 <1114779804.4196.54.camel@croce.dyf.it>  <427238FB.5000905@rits.org.br> <1114793364.4196.102.camel@croce.dyf.it>
Message-ID: <4272828C.6090007@rits.org.br>

Certainly it was not, and as you suggest maybe the best way is to let 
them know about the idea and let them formulate it in the way they want, 
I guess.

--c.a.

Vittorio Bertola wrote:

>Il giorno ven, 29-04-2005 alle 10:39 -0300, Carlos Afonso ha scritto:
>  
>
>>I agree, but with a qualification: those selected might be members of 
>>one or more of our cauci (caucuses?), and the statement as it reads now 
>>gives the impression we do not trust the CS people who will be present, 
>>    
>>
>
>Of course that was not my intention... so we should write it so that we
>are comfortable with it, or just let the people there phrase the
>concerns in a satisfactory way (we don't have time to do collective
>drafting anyway).
>  
>

-- 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Carlos Afonso
diretor de planejamento
Rede de Informa??es para o Terceiro Setor - Rits
Rua Guilhermina Guinle, 272, 6? andar - Botafogo
Rio de Janeiro RJ - Brasil         CEP 22270-060
tel +55-21-2527-5494        fax +55-21-2527-5460
ca@rits.org.br            http://www.rits.org.br
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++




From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Fri Apr 29 20:10:25 2005
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:52 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
In-Reply-To: <4272828C.6090007@rits.org.br>
Message-ID: <426DE6DA000A3842@mail2.bluewin.ch> (added by postmaster@bluewin.ch)



Vittorio and Carlos,

We clearly will carry the message!

Renata 



-----Message d'origine-----
De?: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] De la part
de Carlos Afonso
Envoy??: vendredi, 29. avril 2005 19:53
??: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Objet?: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered

Certainly it was not, and as you suggest maybe the best way is to let 
them know about the idea and let them formulate it in the way they want, 
I guess.

--c.a.

Vittorio Bertola wrote:

>Il giorno ven, 29-04-2005 alle 10:39 -0300, Carlos Afonso ha scritto:
>  
>
>>I agree, but with a qualification: those selected might be members of 
>>one or more of our cauci (caucuses?), and the statement as it reads now 
>>gives the impression we do not trust the CS people who will be present, 
>>    
>>
>
>Of course that was not my intention... so we should write it so that we
>are comfortable with it, or just let the people there phrase the
>concerns in a satisfactory way (we don't have time to do collective
>drafting anyway).
>  
>

-- 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Carlos Afonso
diretor de planejamento
Rede de Informa??es para o Terceiro Setor - Rits
Rua Guilhermina Guinle, 272, 6? andar - Botafogo
Rio de Janeiro RJ - Brasil         CEP 22270-060
tel +55-21-2527-5494        fax +55-21-2527-5460
ca@rits.org.br            http://www.rits.org.br
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



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From ca at rits.org.br  Fri Apr 29 20:40:46 2005
From: ca at rits.org.br (Carlos Afonso)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:52 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
In-Reply-To: <426DE6DA000A3842@mail2.bluewin.ch> (added by postmaster@bluewin.ch)
References: <426DE6DA000A3842@mail2.bluewin.ch> (added by postmaster@bluewin.ch)
Message-ID: <42728DBE.1040906@rits.org.br>

:)

--c.a.

Renata Bloem wrote:

>
>Vittorio and Carlos,
>
>We clearly will carry the message!
>
>Renata 
>  
>


From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Fri Apr 29 20:51:22 2005
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:52 2007
Subject: Tr: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
Message-ID: <25442901.1114804282316.JavaMail.www@wwinf0503>

Sorry if cross posted
Jean-Louis





> Message du 29/04/05 18:53
> De : "Jean-Louis FULLSACK" 
> A : plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Copie ? : 
> Objet : Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
> 
> 
> I fully agree to Vittorio's arguments and I'll probably mention rhem in my statement on the meeting.
> But let me just mention than I don't feel less "representatiive of CS" than the authors of the final Press Conference at Prep-Com-2, or than the authors of the "Common statement of CS and Private sector" to the Intergouvernmental Committee during Prep-Com-2. Moreover, I promise Vittorio and all the members of the list that I won't commit the CS in any manner during and after this meeting.  
> Best regards
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> CSDPTT-France 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Message du 29/04/05 15:05
> > De : "Vittorio Bertola" 
> > A : "WSIS Plenary" 
> > Copie ? : 
> > Objet : Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
> > 
> > Il giorno ven, 29-04-2005 alle 10:24 +0200, Jean-Louis FULLSACK ha
> > scritto:
> > > NB : Excerpt from the ITU invitation document : "The purpose of this
> > > informal consultation is to assess the views of a represntative sample
> > > of WSIS stakeholders on the implementation mechanisms (...) Pleasenote
> > > that the meeting will be conducted in English only". 
> > 
> > Perhaps someone among those CS people who will be present could be
> > tasked with reading a short statement that remarks that civil society
> > attendants, having been selected by the organizers, do not constitute a
> > representative sample of civil society stakeholders at WSIS, and only
> > speak for themselves and their own organizations, and that
> > representatives of civil society should be self-selected by civil
> > society itself?
> > -- 
> > vb. [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
> > http://bertola.eu.org/ <- Prima o poi...
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Plenary mailing list
> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> > 
> >
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From Mueller at syr.edu  Fri Apr 29 21:02:31 2005
From: Mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:52 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Proposal archive at IGP
Message-ID: <s2725a9e.084@gwia201.syr.edu>

Vittorio's proposal for an "Internet Steering Group" prompted me to
create an archive of Internet governance reform proposals at the
Internet Governance Project website. We will archive any serious
proposal that is actually being discussed, simply to make it easier for
people to keep track of what is being put forward. 

http://dcc.syr.edu/igproposals.htm 

We begin by listing the proposals of Vittorio, Carlos Afonso, and our
own ICANN reform proposal. We invite you to submit additional proposals,
but bear in mind the following criteria:

* It must propose specific changes in institutional arrangements
(calling for an "end to the digital divide" is not a proposal for
changed governance arrangements)
* It must have been introduced into and discussed within existing
Internet governance forums, such as the WGIG, ICANN, WSIS, IETF, or ITU.
(this is an archive of proposals that are being discussed, not a means
of publicizing ideas that are not known)
* It must pass the "laugh test" with respect to feasibility, knowledge
of existing arrangements, etc. The editors reserve the right to
determine for themselves what to archive.

Email me (privately, off list) with any submissions.




Dr. Milton Mueller
Syracuse University School of Information Studies
http://www.digital-convergence.org
http://www.internetgovernance.org


From inesa at chasque.net  Sat Apr 30 11:32:53 2005
From: inesa at chasque.net (WSISPapers)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:52 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSISPapers Newsletter No.7 - Rural access to ICTs: Community ownership model
Message-ID: <002601c54d70$28b2a780$f604a8c0@paullier.chasque.net>

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  WSIS Papers Newsletter -  April 2005 No.7
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In this issue:   RURAL ACCESS TO ICTs: COMMUNITY OWNERSHIP MODEL


Content:

- The community ownership model
- New and old technologies for rural and community access
- Examples and case studies
- Rural access issues addressed at WSIS



Available online at:

      http://wsispapers.choike.org/

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It is now widely acknowledged that a liberalised market fully in compliance
with their own rigid prescriptions can fail in certain circumstances, one of
which is in delivering network access to low-income rural areas.

There is general agreement on the main obstacle: dispersed populations and
low levels of income translate into higher costs and reduced per-customer
returns, rendering conventional approaches economically unattractive,
whether for market-driven or incumbent providers. While pooling users in the
form of telecentres and cybercafes can enhance usage levels, extending the
reach of the network remains the key challenge.

An alternative approach for rural ICT access is the community ownership
model that combines community-owned Information and Communication
Technologies (ICT) enterprises with the new wave of wireless and related
technologies. This approach can greatly reduce costs and maximize the
value-added of community resources, enabling the emergence of a new business
model that is both more economically sustainable and more empowering than
anything else available. Furthermore, the impact on development is greater
as local needs are addressed more effectively, while they act as a community
catalyst and as a support for a range of other development activities.

Certain advantages of a community-ownership model have long been
demonstrated in infrastructure projects, in both developed and developing
countries. In poorer countries, local community control and participation is
widely recognised as being critical to the success of ICT projects such as
telecentres and application development.

On the other hand, technological innovations, especially wireless
technology, considerably reinforce the potential of community owned
enterprises to help solve the rural access issue.
This is due to their low level of initial investment and scalability, their
relatively simple technical deployment, their low-cost and open standards,
and their adaptability to voice and data requirements. Furthermore, open
source software is now developed for full-scale wireless networks.

The viability of the community ownership approach, although, depends on two
pressing needs: access to finance and an enabling environment at national
and local level. These are essential to ensure long-term sustainability from
the community itself.

Regulatory obstacles have long been the major barrier to progress in many
areas of ICT development. Limitations of one-size-fits-all liberalization of
the sector, and the failure of one-operator-does-all schema is leading the
debate at the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) beyond binary
oppositions and into new and less dogmatic territory.



Based a the document prepared by Se?n ? Siochr? for "WSIS Papers":
"Community ownership of ICTs: New possibilities for poor communities"


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 The community ownership model
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* Community ownership of ICTs: New possibilities for poor communities
WSIS Papers
Se?n ? Siochr?
This paper examines a solution that combines a centuries old institutional
form with the latest technological innovations. A combination of
community-owned ICT enterprises and the new wave of wireless and related
technologies together may offer significant potential to extend networks and
offer new services to poor communities in rural areas. PDF format.
-->http://wsispapers.choike.org/community_property_icts.pdf

*  New models of network ownership and management: the role of local
communities
World Dialogue on Regulation for Network Economies
Bruce Girard
This research topic examines alternative models of network ownership and
management, with a particular focus on local ownership of networks in rural
communities. It looks at a variety of ownership and control models,
including cooperatives, SMEs, municipal government ownership, public-private
partnerships and scenarios in which different entities own different parts
of the network. April 2005.
-->http://www.regulateonline.org/content/view/365/31/


*  Discovering the "Magic Box": local appropriation of ICTs
FAO
The aim of this report was to select projects and initiatives that are
representative of "local appropriation" (i.e. community-driven, and
therefore, with a strong component of community participation and
ownership). This criterion had to be revisited along the way since most of
the projects tend to have some degree of support (technical and/or funding)
from national and international development organizations. June 2001.
-->http://www.fao.org/sd/2001/KN0602a_en.htm

*  Ownership and partnership: keys to sustaining ICT-enabled development
activities
IICD
Questions discussed concerned the different types of ownership that need to
be developed, and how IICD, and organisations like it, can promote and
foster high levels of local ownership. This brief reports from these
discussions, sharing the cases presented during the workshop. Available for
download in word and PDF format.
-->http://www.iicd.org/iicd/articles/IICDnews.import2286

*  Poverty reduction through self-help: rediscovering the cooperative
advantage
ILO
This volume examines the role and potential of cooperatives in reducing
poverty considering eleven case studies from different fields of cooperative
activity. PDF format.
->http://www.ilo.org/dyn/empent/docs/F1406653842/poverty%20-%20coops%20birch
all%20090103.pdf



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New and old technologies for rural and community access
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*  Communication for development
FAO
This site is part of the Food and Agriculture Organization's (FAO)
Sustainable Development Department. It aims to encourage ICT development in
rural areas, as well as technical advice and training in communication
skills. Resources on the different local projects are available in other
languages.
-->http://www.fao.org/sd/eims_search/webpage_result.asp?agrovoc=9000083&cate
gory=32&lang=en

*  The one to watch: radio, new ICT and interactivity
Comunica
Bruce Girard
The cases presented in this book are among the first examples of the
convergence of radio and new ICTs for development. In this convergence,
radio promises to take on even greater significance and value, especially
for remote rural areas.
-->http://comunica.org/1-2-watch/


*  Out of the labs and into the developing world: using appropriate
technologies to promote truly global Internet diffusion
Center for International Development, Harvard University
Geoffrey S. Kirkman
This paper presents and explores a range of possibly appropriate
technologies which can aid local Internet diffusion. These technologies are
either being developed in specialized research labs and universities,
already used on a small scale within the developing world, or available in
retail markets in developed countries where their applicability to the
developing world is overlooked. The paper concludes that the primary
stumbling block to the provision of these technologies to developing
countries stems from market failure. PDF format.
-->http://www.choike.org/documentos/internet_diffusion.pdf


*  Wireless networks and rural development: opportunities for Latin America
University of Southern California
Hernan Galperin
This paper argues that a new generation of wireless technologies can
significantly alleviate the constraints that limit Internet connectivity in
Latin America to the wealthy, urbanized areas. However, for this potential
to be realized, a number of obstacles need to be overcome. The first part of
the paper provides a brief overview of the new breed of wireless networking
technologies that are fundamentally changing the cost structure of Internet
deployment - in particular the family of wireless standards known as Wi-Fi.
The second part discusses the implications of these changes for strategies
to promote Internet diffusion in rural Latin America, and more generally to
alleviate the endemic poverty that characterize these regions. PDF format.
-->http://www-rcf.usc.edu/~hernang/lasa04paper.pdf

*  Wireless networks for the developing world
ITC
Maria Isabel Neto
As radio technology and public policies evolve, an increasing amount of
spectrum is being set aside for transmission use without licence. This paper
argues that this unlicensed spectrum, and low-cost wireless technologies
that operate in these bands, is of particular value in the developing world,
where it has the potential to substantially impact accessibility and
availability of information and telecommunication services. PDF format.
-->http://itc.mit.edu/itel/students/papers/neto_thesis.pdf

*  Community Wireless Connectivity Project: starting work in Africa
APC
The APC's "Community Wireless Connectivity" project is looking to connect
unconnected communities by skilling them to build their own wireless
networks. The project covers the development of training materials and
workshops that will be localised for different environmental, regulatory,
language and climatic conditions. Four regional workshops in Africa will be
held in 2005.
-->http://www.apc.org/english/news/index.shtml?x=32071

*  The wireless internet opportunity for developing countries
Information for Development Programme
The promises of wireless Internet technologies have generated much interest
on the part of the international-development community. While in developed
nations these technologies have primarily been associated with mobility
applications and local area networking in homes and offices, their most
intriguing application in developing nations is the deployment of low-cost
broadband Internet infrastructure and last-mile distribution.
-->http://www.infodev.org/content/library/detail/838

*  Itrain Online
APC, Bellanet, IICD, IISD, INASP and OneWorld have joined forces to create
ItrainOnline, a technology resource centre for people who want to learn how
to use the Internet effectively for social justice and sustainable
development. Includes information on Free and Open Source Software and
wireless applications.
-->http://www.itrainonline.org/

*  Will technology trickle down to rural America?
NetAction
Kalyani Manohar
Today, the concept of a "globally networked village" is euphemistic, as the
information super highway primarily connects cities, excluding towns and
villages from its network. The author studies the evolution of innovative
communication technologies and how they may be incorporated into the
economic developmental process.
-->http://www.netaction.org/alt-tech/alt-tech.html

*  Open Spectrum International
Open Spectrum International (OSInt) was launched in the summer of 2004 by
the Czech civic foundation Mista v Srdce ("Places in the Heart"). OSInt
hopes to promote international awareness of Open Spectrum as a practical and
desirable option, especially in emerging democracies and developing
countries. The "good reading" section provides information resources on
spectrum management, legal/civil rights aspects, the open spectrum movement,
wireless communities and technology.
-->http://www.volweb.cz/horvitz/osi/library.html

*  Champaign-Urbana Community Wireless Network (CUWiN)
CUWiN has been developing an open source, turnkey wireless networking
solution that exceeds the functionality of many proprietary systems. CUWiN's
vision is ubiquitous, extremely high-speed, low-cost networking for every
community and constituency.
-->http://www.cuwireless.net/

*  Informal
European wireless and open-source specialists promote the benefits of the
wireless technology to developing countries. Their "wireless roadshow" is an
attempt to empower non-governmental organisations (NGOs) in the developing
world to own, operate and grow their own Internet infrastructure using
wireless technology such as mesh networking. The aim is to allow remote
communities in developing countries without traditional telecoms
infrastructure to communicate more effectively.
-->http://www.informal.org.uk/inf/index.php

*  Wireless community network
This Wikipedia page lists several community network projects by region and
provides links to relevant information.
-->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_wireless_network

*  The wireless developer network
On-line community for information technology professionals interested in
mobile computing and communications. The site offers technical information,
news, industry coverage, and commentary from the wireless developers'
community. The site features quality articles and a solid library collection
of tutorials and training materials on wireless.
-->http://www.wirelessdevnet.com/

*  Comparison study of Open Source and Proprietary Software in an African
context: Implementation and Policy-making to opti
Bridges.org is currently conducting a comparison study of open source and
proprietary software. The study aims to objectively examine the ground level
realities and implications of both options in an African context, to inform
decision-making and optimise community access to ICT. The study will produce
unbiased and substantive background information, analysis of the key factors
that affect choices, and practical guidance for decision-makers about the
two software options.
-->http://www.bridges.org/software_comparison/index.html

*  Kofi Annan's IT challenge
ZD Net
In a special column for CNET, the UN Secretary General says that bridging
the digital divide requires the active involvement of tech decision makers
in a global IT initiative. "We need to think of ways to bring wireless
fidelity (Wi-Fi) applications to the developing world, so as to make use of
unlicensed radio spectrum to deliver cheap and fast Internet access", says
Annan.
-->http://comment.zdnet.co.uk/other/0,39020682,2125402,00.htm



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Examples and case studies
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*  An experience of indigenous communications in Bolivia
FAO
This report reviews the experience of "Unidad de Comunicaci?n Guaran?", a
project that aimed at empowering the Guaran? people through media technology
entirely managed by the community. PDF format.
-->ftp://ftp.fao.org/docrep/fao/006/Y5311S/Y5311S00.pdf


*  India: "Information Village Research Project"
Swaminathan Research Foundation
A participatory development project undertaken in Pondicherry, Southern
India, financed by the IDRC, aimed to construct a hybrid wired and wireless
network, including PCs and telephones in ten villages. The participation of
the local community contributed to the experiment's success.
-->http://www.mssrf.org/special_programmes/ivrp/ivrpmain.htm

*  Assessing the need and potential of community networking for developing
countries: a case study from India
e-Development group
This report is the result of a research of an ICT project in rural Tamil
Nadu, India. It argues that "for successful community networking, the design
and implementation of projects should be driven by the specific needs of
communities". PDF format.
-->http://edev.media.mit.edu/SARI/papers/CommunityNetworking.pdf

*  Rural telecom cooperatives in the US
National Telecommunications Cooperative Association (NTCA)
Review of the historical background that surrounded the expansion of telecom
cooperatives in rural areas of the United States.
-->http://www.ntca.org/ka/ka-3.cfm?content_item_id=63&folder_id=44

*  Community telecentre cookbook for Africa
UNESCO
A step by step guide on how to implement community based telecentres in an
African environment complete with examples of telecentre infrastructure,
baseline questionnaires, business plans, etc. PDF format.
-->http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0012/001230/123004e.pdf

*  Detailed case studies on ICT project successes and sustainability
Eldis
This report by the Department for International Development (DFID) offers 12
detailed case studies of activities that sought to benefit the poor and had
an ICT component. The cases that showed better results in terms of
sustainability where community owned.
-->http://www.eldis.org/static/DOC11680.htm

*  Laos: community owned communication network
Jhai Foundation
With the use of wireless technology and open source software this project
aims to provide farmers in Ban Phon Kam and nearby villages in Laos with
communicatoin tools that would bring them to business opportunities and
enhanced education. The communication system is owned by the villages,
charging small fees to users for running costs, replacement costs, and
support costs.
-->http://www.jhai.org/jhai_remoteIT.htm


*  Indonesia: motivating community based ICT infrastructure development
IDRC
Onno W. Purbo
This article documents the path and experiences in facilitating a community
movement to build its own infrastructure. Currently, there are more than
5000 outdoor WiFi installations in Indonesia, at the rate of 200-300 new
outdoor WiFi nodes installations a month. A shift is occurring from old
fashion community tele-centers and cybercafes towards wide area
neighbourhood networks. PDF format.
-->http://www.choike.org/documentos/community_ict_infrastructure.pdf

*  Rural community ICT applications: the Kothmale model
City University of Hong Kong
Rural ICT requires special efforts to create appropiate models for those who
can neither afford the internet access nor have the language capacity to
understand teh content. The internet project at Kothmale was intiated in
1998 by UNESCO in partenrship with a series of Sri Lankan and inernational
agencies-specifically to address the digital divide by piloting a model for
rural ICT application. PDF format.
-->http://www.is.cityu.edu.hk/research/ejisdc/vol8/v8r4.pdf

*  Bhutan: migration to new technologies mission report
ITU
Good communication services and universal access are necessary for a higher
standard of living and economic growth. However the high cost of equipment
may not be affordable to some developing nations, especially in rural areas
which have a much lower subscriber density, or areas with geographic
challenges such as large bodies of water, jungles, mountainous terrain etc.
This report reviews the a pilot project to use wireless and VoIP
technologies to deliver communication services to rural areas in Bhutan, a
small Himalayan Kingdom in 2002.
-->http://www.bhutan-notes.com/clif/

*  Profitable universal access providers
Eldis
This feasibility study looks at the opportunities for micro-scale rural
telephone operators who use Global System for Mobile (GSM) communication
technology to provide rural, low income areas with communications services.
Although the study uses Tanzania for evaluation purposes, the authors
propose that these findings are applicable to most rural, low-income areas.
PDF format.
-->http://www.eldis.org/fulltext/profitable.pdf




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 Rural access issues addressed at WSIS
-------------------------------------------------------

*  The role of ICTs in fighting rural poverty: roundtable at WSIS 2003
A parallel event organized by the International Fund for Agricultural
Development (IFAD) at the first phase of the World Summit on the Information
Society (WSIS) discussed the role of ICTs in fighting rural poverty.
Presentations are available for download in PDF format in english, french,
spanish and arabic.
-->http://www.ifad.org/events/wsis/invitation/agenda.htm

*  WSIS Plan of Action: the need for rural access
ITU
Among other recommendations the plan of action states that it is essential
to "empower local communities, especially those in rural and underserved
areas, in ICT use and promote the production of useful and socially
meaningful content for the benefit of all". See especially points: 10 and
21.
-->http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/geneva/official/poa.html

*  WSIS: shaping information societies for human needs
ALAI
In its declaration to the first phase of WSIS, civil society organizations
included a statement about development of sustainable and community-based
ICT solutions: "It is important to support community-based communications
using both traditional and new media and communication technologies. There
is a need for the development and nurturing of the discipline of community
informatics, which focuses on the particular characteristics and needs of
communities, in relation to design, development, deployment, and operation
of ICTs, as well as local content production."
-->http://alainet.org/active/show_news.phtml?news_id=5118


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Related Choike's in-depth reports
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* World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS)
--> http://www.choike.org/nuevo_eng/informes/703.html

* The right to communicate
--> http://www.choike.org/nuevo_eng/informes/1215.html


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From inesa at chasque.net  Sat Apr 30 11:36:38 2005
From: inesa at chasque.net (WSISPapers)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:52 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] =?iso-8859-1?Q?=5BWSIS_CS-Plenary=5D_Bolet=EDn_WSISPapers_No.7_-_Acceso_r?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?ural_a_las_TIC:_el_modelo_de_propiedad_comunitaria?=
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   Bolet?n de WSIS Papers - Abril 2005 No.7
-------------------------------------------------------

En este n?mero: ACCESO RURAL A LAS TIC: EL MODELO DE PROPIEDAD COMUNITARIA


Contenido:

- El acceso rural a las TIC
- La experiencia en pa?ses en desarrollo
- Tecnolog?as inal?mbricas para acceso rural y comunitario
- El tema en la primera fase de la CMSI



Disponible en l?nea en:

         http://wsispapers.choike.org/

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El mercado, dejado a sus propias reglas, falla en la provisi?n de bienes
tales como acceso a las redes de comunicaci?n en ?reas rurales y de bajos
ingresos. Existe un consenso generalizado en lo que respecta al principal
obst?culo para ?sto: las poblaciones dispersas y los bajos niveles de
ingreso se traducen en costos m?s elevados y ganancias reducidas por
cliente, tornando a los enfoques convencionales poco atractivos desde el
punto de vista econ?mico. Si bien los telecentros y cibercaf?s pueden
incrementar los niveles de uso, el primer desaf?o contin?a siendo extender
el alcance de la red.

Frente a esta situaci?n surge un enfoque alternativo: el modelo de propiedad
comunitaria, que combina empresas de tecnolog?as de informaci?n y la
comunicaci?n (TIC) de propiedad comunitaria junto a nuevos desarrollos en
materia de tecnolog?as inal?mbricas. Este modelo puede, en gran medida,
reducir costos y maximizar el valor agregado de los recursos comunitarios,
permitiendo el surgimiento de un nuevo modelo comercial que sea m?s
sustentable econ?micamente y con mayores posibilidades de "empoderamiento"
por parte de la poblaci?n. Al vincularse directamente con las necesidades de
estas comunidades, estas empresas producen un impacto mayor a nivel social,
mientras que act?an como un catalizador comunitario impulsando el desarrollo
de otras actividades.

Ya han sido demostradas ciertas ventajas de este modelo en proyectos de
infraestructura, tanto en pa?ses desarrollados como en pa?ses en v?as de
desarrollo. En los pa?ses m?s pobres el control y la participaci?n local
comunitaria son ampliamente reconocidos como puntos cr?ticos para el ?xito
de los proyectos de TIC para el desarrollo.

Por otro lado, las innovaciones tecnol?gicas, especialmente las
inal?mbricas, refuerzan considerablemente el potencial de las empresas de
propiedad comunitaria para ayudar a resolver el problema del acceso rural.
Ello se debe a su bajo nivel de inversi?n inicial y escalabilidad, su
despliegue t?cnico relativamente simple, sus bajos costos y est?ndares
abiertos, y su adaptabilidad a requisitos de voz y datos. Por otra parte
est? siendo desarrollado software libre para el manejo de redes
inal?mbricas, lo que tambi?n constituye un elemento facilitador.

La implementaci?n del enfoque de propiedad comunitaria tiene como requisito
fundamental el acceso a financiamiento a nivel nacional y local y una
regulaci?n que posibilite asegurar, a largo plazo, la sustentabilidad de las
iniciativas que surjan de la comunidad.

Los obst?culos reguladores hace tiempo que constituyen la mayor barrera para
el progreso en muchas ?reas del desarrollo de las TIC. Las limitaciones de
la liberalizaci?n del sector en un estilo "talle ?nico" y el fracaso de
esquemas basados en un-operador-que-lo-hace-todo est? dirigiendo el debate
en la Cumbre Mundial de la Sociedad de la Informaci?n (CMSI), m?s all? de
oposiciones binarias, hacia un territorio nuevo y menos dogm?tico.

Basado en el art?culo preparado por Se?n ? Siochr? para "WSIS Papers":
"Propiedad comunitaria de las TIC: nuevas oportunidades para las comunidades
rurales pobres"



-------------------------------------------------------
 El acceso rural a las TIC
-------------------------------------------------------

*  Propiedad comunitaria de las TIC: Nuevas posibilidades para las
comunidades rurales pobres
WSIS Papers
Se?n ? Siochr?
Este documento analiza una soluci?n que combina una forma institucional de
hace siglos con las ?ltimas innovaciones tecnol?gicas . Una combinaci?n de
empresas de TIC de propiedad comunitaria junto con la nueva ola de
tecnolog?as inal?mbricas y relacionadas podr?a ofrecer un potencial
considerable para extender redes y brindar nuevos servicios a comunidades
pobres en ?reas rurales. Formato PDF.
-->http://wsispapers.choike.org/propiedad_comunitaria_icts.pdf

*  Secreto a voces: radio, nuevas TIC e interactividad
Comunica
Bruce Girard
El tema principal de este libro es la combinaci?n de Internet y la radio,
que ofrece un rango potencial y nuevo de posibilidades para los proyectos de
comunicaci?n para el desarrollo, sobre todo en las comunidades rurales m?s
alejadas.
-->http://www.comunica.org/secreto/

*  La Onda Rural
La Onda rural es un taller regional de Am?rica Latina con el prop?sito de
discutir y desarrollar planes para utilizar la radio rural y TICs para
promover desarrollo sostenible, la seguridad alimentaria, y reducir la
pobreza.
-->http://onda-rural.comunica.org/

*  Red rural de telecentros comunitarios (Brasil)
Esta organizaci?n busca facilitar la creaci?n de telecentros libres en las
comunidades rurales brasile?as y promoviendo su integraci?n con los
movimientos globales de inclusi?n digital. Sitio en portugu?s.
-->http://www.gemasdaterra.org.br/

*  Comunicaci?n para el desarrollo
FAO
Este sitio es parte de la Organizaci?n para la Alimentaci?n y la Agricultura
(FAO) en su Departamento del Desarrollo Sustentable. El objetivo es promover
el desarrollo de las TIC en ?reas rurales, brindar apoyo t?cnico y
habilidades comunicativas. Sitio en ingl?s con algunos recursos en espa?ol.
-->http://www.fao.org/sd/kn1_en.htm

*  Informaci?n y comunicaci?n para comunidades rurales (InforCom)
El objetivo del proyecto es fortalecer la capacidad local de innovaci?n al
facultar a las comunidades rurales en la obtenci?n, generaci?n y
compartimiento de informaci?n y conocimiento, con la ayuda de nuevas TIC.
-->http://www.ciat.cgiar.org/inforcom/espanol/inicio.htm

*  La necesidad de involucrar a las comunidades rurales en las pol?ticas
p?blicas de TICs
APC
Valeria Betancourt
"La participaci?n de las comunidades rurales en la gesti?n de su propio
desarrollo puede incidir efectivamente en la generaci?n de din?micas
distintas de formulaci?n, ejecuci?n, seguimiento y evaluaci?n de las
pol?ticas de comunicaci?n y de TIC". Presentaci?n realizada por Valeria
Betancourt Ecuador en Abril 2004 en el taller de La Onda Rural.
-->http://lac.derechos.apc.org/cdocs.shtml?x=19205


------------------------------------------------
 La experiencia en pa?ses en desarrollo
------------------------------------------------

*  Colectivo Digital
El Coletivo Digital es una organizaci?n no gubernamental de Brasil que tiene
como principal objetivo promover la democratizaci?n y el acceso a la
sociedad de la informaci?n. La organizaci?n nace para dar soporte a las
diversas iniciativas de acceso comunitario y act?a en el sentido de
ampliarlas; para eso trabaja conjuntamente con el poder p?blico y
organizaciones de la sociedad civil, desarrollando metodolog?as de
implantaci?n, capacitaci?n, formaci?n, manutenci?n y soporte t?cnico.
-->http://www.coletivodigital.org.br/

*  Una experiencia de comunicaci?n ind?gena en Bolivia
FAO
Este informe analiza la experiencia de la "Unidad de Comunicaci?n Guaran?",
un proyecto orientado a brindar acceso a la comunidad guaran? a las nuevas
TIC mediante un modelo manejado por ellos mismos. En ingl?s. Formato PDF.
-->ftp://ftp.fao.org/docrep/fao/006/Y5311S/Y5311S00.pdf

*  Per?: proyecto de Comunicaci?n de Huaral
Centro Peruano de Estudios Sociales (CEPES)
El proyecto de comunicaci?n e informaci?n comunitaria se encarga de conectar
el Per? rural en el valle Chancay-Hural, una amplia regi?n rural costera al
norte de Lima. La Junta de Usuarios y los agricultores han participado
activamente en todas las etapas de este proyecto cuyo objetivo es brindar
informaci?n especializada que ayude a mejorar la participaci?n en el mercado
de los agricultores.
-->http://www.huaral.org/main.shtml

*  India: Proyecto de desarrollo rural de las TIC
Swaminathan Research Foundation
Un proyecto de desarrollo participativo llevado a cabo en Pondicherry al sur
de India buscaba construir una red de comunicaci?n, incluyendo tencnolog?as
inal?mbricas, PCs y tel?fonos en 10 pueblos rurales. La participaci?n de la
comunidad local contribuy? ampliamente en el ?xito del proyecto. En ingl?s.
-->http://www.mssrf.org/special_programmes/ivrp/ivrpmain.htm


*  El caso de Argentina: prestaci?n local de servicios de telecomunicaciones
IIGG-BIBLIO
Este trabajo reflexiona sobre la subsistencia de un prestador local de
servicios de telecomunicaciones, la Cooperativa Telef?nica de Pinamar
(Telpin), la que se destaca desde sus inicios por una constante, la de crear
y mantener un modelo de administraci?n y gesti?n basado en la incorporaci?n
de innovaciones tecnol?gicas.
-->http://www.mssrf.org/special_programmes/ivrp/ivrpmain.htm

*  Chile: difusion multimedia inal?mbrica IP
Este proyecto desarrollo un mecanismo de conexi?n para instituciones
educativas, que por su lejan?a o por escasez de recursos tecnol?gicos, no
disponen de acceso a redes de banda ancha para intercambiar contenido. Se
empleo tecnolog?a inal?mbrica de bajo costo para distribuir videos digitales
de alta calidad a los colegios participantes ubicados en las regiones V de
Valparaiso y IX de La Araucania (Chile). El proyecto culmin? en 2002.
-->http://inalambrico.reuna.cl/


-----------------------------------------------------------
Tecnolog?as inal?mbricas para acceso rural y comunitario
-----------------------------------------------------------

*  La Experiencia de WiFi para conexi?n de comunidades rurales a Internet
Cornell Universitiy
Jon Katz
En los ?ltimos tres o cuatros a?os varios promotores de Internet rural
empezaron a trabajar con la tecnolog?a WiFi. En este momento la tecnolog?a
WiFi aparece como la mejor soluci?n para la conexi?n a Internet de
comunidades rurales, por ser apropiada en funci?n y topolog?a, gen?rica, muy
econ?mica y, en general, confiable.
-->http://www.sas.cornell.edu/cresp/ecopartners/recursos/WiFi_es.htm

*  Las comunicaciones inal?mbricas y los pa?ses en desarrollo
Progressio
Las ventajas econ?micas de la tecnolog?a inal?brica son significativas, y
cuando se les considera en conjunto con sistemas que funcionan de manera
aut?noma, operando en una frecuencia de banda libre de licenciamientos, no
hay duda del impacto futuro de esta tecnolog?a en reducir la divisi?n
digital que separa a las econom?as ricas de las del mundo en desarrollo.
-->http://www.progressio.org.pe/comunavir.asp


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 El tema en la primera fase de la CMSI
-------------------------------------------------------
*  Plan de Acci?n de la CMSI
ITU
Si bien el tema ha sido en general ignorado en los documentos oficiales en
la primera fase de la CMSI, el Plan de Acci?n aprobado por los gobiernos
establece que es fundamental "habilitar a las comunidades locales,
especialmente en las zonas rurales y desfavorecidas, en la utilizaci?n de
las TIC y promover la producci?n de contenido ?til y socialmente
significativo en provecho de todos". El desaf?o est? puesto en los
documentos que surjan de T?nez en noviembre de 2005.
http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/geneva/official/poa-es.html

*  CMSI: Construir sociedades de la informaci?n que atiendan a las
necesidades humanas
En su declaraci?n en la primera fase de la CMSI, las organizaciones de la
sociedad civil incluyeron una secci?n sobre el desarrollo sostenible y las
soluciones de TIC basadas en las comunidades. Entre otras cosas, en esta
declaraci?n se sostiene: " Es importante trabajar para que las comunidades
utilicen en sus comunicaciones los medios y las tecnolog?as de la
comunicaci?n, tanto tradicionales como nuevas. Es necesario desarrollar la
inform?tica comunitaria y fomentar su implantaci?n, centr?ndose en las
caracter?sticas propias y en las necesidades de cada comunidad en lo que
ata?e al dise?o, el desarrollo, la instalaci?n y el funcionamiento de las
TIC, as? como a la producci?n de contenido local."
-->http://alainet.org/active/show_news.phtml?news_id=5145



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Especiales de Choike relacionados
-------------------------------------------------------

* Cumbre Mundial de la Sociedad de la Informaci?n (CMSI)
--> http://www.choike.org/nuevo/informes/647.html

* El derecho a comunicar
--> http://www.choike.org/nuevo/informes/1158.html


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From muguet at mdpi.org  Sat Apr 30 01:10:05 2005
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:52 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
In-Reply-To: <1114779804.4196.54.camel@croce.dyf.it>
References: <32938762.1114763046600.JavaMail.www@wwinf0501> <1114779804.4196.54.camel@croce.dyf.it>
Message-ID: <4272CCDD.8030407@mdpi.org>

Hello

>Perhaps someone among those CS people who will be present could be
>tasked with reading a short statement that remarks that civil society
>attendants, having been selected by the organizers, do not constitute a
>representative sample 
>
( In statistics, a representative sample must be perfectly random, just 
a joke, it not
not representative in any sense, legal or statistical,  I would agree )

>of civil society stakeholders at WSIS, and only
>speak for themselves and their own organizations,
>
I fully agree, furthermore for full clarity, it must be underlined that 
participants
can speak as individuals being coordinator or member of such and such CS 
grouping,
but not in the name of such groupings, unless a debate
has been carried out before, which was not possible.

Of course,  participants can read a statement that could express the
opinion  that is obviously shared  by the whole civil society about
this non-inclusive process. 
Since it is a procedural issue, the best person to draft and
to read a strong message to the ITU board, is in my opinion, Renate,
who was elected, during the last PrepCom2,
to be the liaison officer of the CSB with the WSIS  secretariat,  the
govermental  bureau and the ITU.

 Concerning Karen question,
 my educated guess about the list is now :

 Renate Bloem   NGO Family, CSB liaison officer
 Burak Emir  Youth Caucus.
 Jean-Louis Fullsack  Finance WG
 Francis Muguet SI & PCT WG

Best regards

Francis


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Scientific Information :  http://www.wsis-si.org  chair
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From ca at rits.org.br  Sat Apr 30 13:43:04 2005
From: ca at rits.org.br (Carlos Afonso)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:52 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Proposal archive at IGP
In-Reply-To: <s2725a9e.084@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s2725a9e.084@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <42737D58.8010203@rits.org.br>

Good idea, Milton. I am actually doing a similar thing through our 
(Rits') site on ICT policies for digital inclusion (www.oppi.org.br), 
but it is not open yet.

I will send a revised version of the paper this weekend.

rgds

--c.a.

Milton Mueller wrote:

>Vittorio's proposal for an "Internet Steering Group" prompted me to
>create an archive of Internet governance reform proposals at the
>Internet Governance Project website. We will archive any serious
>proposal that is actually being discussed, simply to make it easier for
>people to keep track of what is being put forward. 
>
>http://dcc.syr.edu/igproposals.htm 
>
>We begin by listing the proposals of Vittorio, Carlos Afonso, and our
>own ICANN reform proposal. We invite you to submit additional proposals,
>but bear in mind the following criteria:
>
>* It must propose specific changes in institutional arrangements
>(calling for an "end to the digital divide" is not a proposal for
>changed governance arrangements)
>* It must have been introduced into and discussed within existing
>Internet governance forums, such as the WGIG, ICANN, WSIS, IETF, or ITU.
>(this is an archive of proposals that are being discussed, not a means
>of publicizing ideas that are not known)
>* It must pass the "laugh test" with respect to feasibility, knowledge
>of existing arrangements, etc. The editors reserve the right to
>determine for themselves what to archive.
>
>Email me (privately, off list) with any submissions.
>
>
>
>
>Dr. Milton Mueller
>Syracuse University School of Information Studies
>http://www.digital-convergence.org
>http://www.internetgovernance.org
>
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From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Sat Apr 30 17:59:45 2005
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:52 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
Message-ID: <22266261.1114880385153.JavaMail.www@wwinf1309>

It is somehow curious (even offending) to suspect CS members whose names are perfectly known and who are invited to an "informal meeting" on a hypofhetical follow-up of the WSIS process. What crime can they commit ? As far as I remember, those CS members sitting in the very official WGIG weren't supected at the same extent and up to now I still ignore WHO is representing the CS in this official and important body. The same applies for the TFFM where some so-called CS members were sitting for some months without any report to the CS on what was discussed "inside". 
So, please, let us attend this meeting freely, and we will do our best not to compromise by any manner the CS community. Moreover, we will tell you briefly what was discussed there and what's on stake. 
Is this clear enough for anybody, or do you need some additionnel commitments ? (Please read my previous mails to know what will be my behaviour and what I'm intending to tell there).
Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT - France





> Message du 30/04/05 01:58
> De : "Dr. Francis MUGUET" 
> A : plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Copie ? : 
> Objet : Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
> 
> Hello
> 
> >Perhaps someone among those CS people who will be present could be
> >tasked with reading a short statement that remarks that civil society
> >attendants, having been selected by the organizers, do not constitute a
> >representative sample 
> >
> ( In statistics, a representative sample must be perfectly random, just 
> a joke, it not
> not representative in any sense, legal or statistical, I would agree )
> 
> >of civil society stakeholders at WSIS, and only
> >speak for themselves and their own organizations,
> >
> I fully agree, furthermore for full clarity, it must be underlined that 
> participants
> can speak as individuals being coordinator or member of such and such CS 
> grouping,
> but not in the name of such groupings, unless a debate
> has been carried out before, which was not possible.
> 
> Of course, participants can read a statement that could express the
> opinion that is obviously shared by the whole civil society about
> this non-inclusive process. 
> Since it is a procedural issue, the best person to draft and
> to read a strong message to the ITU board, is in my opinion, Renate,
> who was elected, during the last PrepCom2,
> to be the liaison officer of the CSB with the WSIS secretariat, the
> govermental bureau and the ITU.
> 
> Concerning Karen question,
> my educated guess about the list is now :
> 
> Renate Bloem NGO Family, CSB liaison officer
> Burak Emir Youth Caucus.
> Jean-Louis Fullsack Finance WG
> Francis Muguet SI & PCT WG
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Francis
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------ 
> Francis F. MUGUET Ph.D 
> 
> MDPI Foundation Open Access Journals
> Associate Publisher
> http://www.mdpi.org http://www.mdpi.net
> muguet@mdpi.org muguet@mdpi.net
> 
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From: ca at rits.org.br (Carlos Afonso)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:52 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
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Car?ssimo Jean-Louis,

We all absolutely agree with that. I am sure you all will (as we are 
trying to do at the WGIG with all our imperfections) do your best. Has 
anyone put this in doubt? I did not see any message from CS people even 
remotely raising any suspicions.

abra?os fraternos

--c.a.

Jean-Louis FULLSACK wrote:

> It is somehow curious (even offending) to suspect CS members whose 
> names are perfectly known and who are invited to an "informal meeting" 
> on a hypofhetical follow-up of the WSIS process. What crime can they 
> commit ? As far as I remember, those CS members sitting in the very 
> official WGIG weren't supected at the same extent and up to now I 
> still ignore WHO is representing the CS in this official and important 
> body. The same applies for the TFFM where some so-called CS members 
> were sitting for some months without any report to the CS on what was 
> discussed "inside".
>
> So, please, let us attend this meeting freely, and we will do our best 
> not to compromise by any manner the CS community. Moreover, we will 
> tell you briefly what was discussed there and what's on stake.
>
> Is this clear enough for anybody, or do you need some additionnel 
> commitments ? (Please read my previous mails to know what will be my 
> behaviour and what I'm intending to tell there).
>
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
>
> CSDPTT - France
>
>
>
>
>     > Message du 30/04/05 01:58
>     > De : "Dr. Francis MUGUET"
>     > A : plenary@wsis-cs.org
>     > Copie ? :
>     > Objet : Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] May 2nd Consultation - bases covered
>     >
>     > Hello
>     >
>     > >Perhaps someone among those CS people who will be present could be
>     > >tasked with reading a short statement that remarks that civil
>     society
>     > >attendants, having been selected by the organizers, do not
>     constitute a
>     > >representative sample
>     > >
>     > ( In statistics, a representative sample must be perfectly
>     random, just
>     > a joke, it not
>     > not representative in any sense, legal or statistical, I would
>     agree )
>     >
>     > >of civil society stakeholders at WSIS, and only
>     > >speak for themselves and their own organizations,
>     > >
>     > I fully agree, furthermore for full clarity, it must be
>     underlined that
>     > participants
>     > can speak as individuals being coordinator or member of such and
>     such CS
>     > grouping,
>     > but not in the name of such groupings, unless a debate
>     > has been carried out before, which was not possible.
>     >
>     > Of course, participants can read a statement that could express the
>     > opinion that is obviously shared by the whole civil society about
>     > this non-inclusive process.
>     > Since it is a procedural issue, the best person to draft and
>     > to read a strong message to the ITU board, is in my opinion, Renate,
>     > who was elected, during the last PrepCom2,
>     > to be the liaison officer of the CSB with the WSIS secretariat, the
>     > govermental bureau and the ITU.
>     >
>     > Concerning Karen question,
>     > my educated guess about the list is now :
>     >
>     > Renate Bloem NGO Family, CSB liaison officer
>     > Burak Emir Youth Caucus.
>     > Jean-Louis Fullsack Finance WG
>     > Francis Muguet SI & PCT WG
>     >
>     > Best regards
>     >
>     > Francis
>     >
>     >
>     > --
>     >
>     > ------------------------------------------------------
>     > Francis F. MUGUET Ph.D
>     >
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>     > muguet@ensta.fr http://www.ensta.fr/~muguet
>     >
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>     > Civil Society Working Groups
>     > Scientific Information : http://www.wsis-si.org chair
>     > Patents & Copyrights : http://www.wsis-pct.org co-chair
>     > Financing Mechanismns : http://www.wsis-finance.org web
>     >
>     > UNMSP project : http://www.unmsp.org
>     > WTIS initiative: http://www.wtis.org
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From marzouki at ras.eu.org  Sat Apr 30 19:38:31 2005
From: marzouki at ras.eu.org (Meryem Marzouki)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:52 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] summit - expectations - who's coming...
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Hi all

I share Robert's cautiousness. I attended a Council of Europe meeting 
on April 6-7, where Mr Geiger has been invited to provide the audience 
with news about WSIS and the summit organization. Recalling that only 
44 heads of States and heads of governments attented Geneva Summit, Mr 
Geiger informed us that the Tunisian authorities were expecting (at 
that time) the attendance of 50 to 60 heads of states and of 
governments, and were very much hoping a good representation of 
northern countries.

I see that the level of expectations has been raising (i.e. has 
tripled) between early April and mid-April, when Francis visited Tunis 
and got this new information. This taking into account that when the 
invitation of Ariel Sharon, Israel Prime minister, has been disclosed - 
which has led to many street demonstrations and repression in Tunisia - 
the Tunisian authorities said that about 120 invitations have been sent 
to heads of States/governments. This means that even non directly 
invited heads of states/governments are planning to attend. Good 
achievement indeed.

There are other detailed information in Francis message forwarded by 
Rik (thanks for that, Rik, and BTW, Francis, was this visit officially 
related to WSIS ? I'm certainly not willing to ask private questions 
about your agenda:), but just wanting to know if some WSIS CS people 
were invited there.

This detailed information relates to the organization. I noticed that 
almost all Tunis hotels are said to be already booked, that 18.000 
participants have already registered (these people are really far 
sighted, specially since - correct me if I'm wrong, registration forms 
for the summit are not yet available. They also are rich, if they made 
hotel reservation through the hotels proposed at www.smsitunis2005.tn) 
and I'm pleased to learn where the US delegation will stay. However, I 
see that this leads the organizers to envisage the accomodation of 
other participants in Hammamet and to bus them daily. Although Tunisia 
is not so large, and the distance between Tunis and Hammamet is only 
about 60km, I see this situation would really be a problem for people 
lodging in Hammamet to fully be able to decide by themselves of where 
and when they're willing to go.

Best,
Meryem

Le jeudi, 28 avr 2005, ? 21:43 Europe/Paris, Robert Guerra a ?crit :

> I read in an earlier post - perhaps it was Francis - where it was 
> stated that some 150 heads of state would be coming to the 
> summit.......
>
> hmmm.. i really doubt it. One must recal that during the first phase 
> an equal # (or higher) was also envisioned, but in the end - the 
> reality was quite different.
>
> I think it is way too premature to discuss which heads of state will 
> be coming. At least now. Let's wait for PC3
>
> -- 
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From marzouki at ras.eu.org  Sat Apr 30 20:17:27 2005
From: marzouki at ras.eu.org (Meryem Marzouki)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:52 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Tunisia and WSIS - Event organized for the freedom of the press day
Message-ID: <7D4E6359-B9AC-11D9-9145-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org>

Hi all,

The Tunisian Human Rights League (LTDH, a member of the WSIS CS Human  
Rights Caucus) is organizing, in cooperation with the National  
Committee for Freedoms in Tunisia (CNLT) and other independent Tunisian  
NGOs (most of them having participated to PrepCom2), a 2-days event in  
Tunis at LTDH headquarters for the international freedom of the press  
day. This event is dedicated to the memory of Zouhair Yahyaoui (who  
some of you have met during PrepCom2), who died on March 13, 2005.

A main part of the event will be the presentation by Antoine Madelin  
(FIDH) of the conclusions of the mission in Tunisia organized by the  
International Federation of Human Rights Leagues (Paris-based FIDH),  
the World Organization against Torture (Geneva-based OMCT) and Rights  
and Democracy (based in Montreal). The objectives of this mission have  
been presented at the panel organized by the HR caucus during PrepCom2  
(see  
http://www.iris.sgdg.org/actions/smsi/hr-wsis/hrpanel170205-prog- 
en.html). The detailed report will now be launched.

Independent experts have conducted this mission, among them Ms. Deborah  
Hurley, who will attend the event and give a conference at this  
occasion on "ICTs and the need to protect human rights". As you know,  
this mission has received the support of the WSIS CS HR caucus, and I  
will also participate myself to this event as caucus co-chair, giving a  
conference on "Internet control and its impact on usage and on the  
information society economy".

NGOs representatives will also be speaking at this event: Sidiki Kaba  
(FIDH president), Eric Sottas (OMCT executive director), Mark Bench  
(WPFC executive director), Francesco Diasio (AMARC representative) and  
Rohan Jayasekera (Index on censorship representative).

The organizers of the mission wanted to have its results presented in  
Tunisia first. There will be a second presentation in Montreal mid-may,  
organized by Rights and Democracy. Further presentations may also be  
organized in other parts of the world.

The results of the IFEX-TMG mission, launched during PrepCom2 in  
Geneva, will also be presented for the first time in Tunisia, by Alexis  
Krekorian (WAP-UIE representative).

The international freedom of the press day is traditionnaly the  
occasion for LTDH to present its annual report. This year being the  
year of the Tunis Summit, other independent Tunisian civil society  
organizations (CNLT, OLPEC, SJT) will also present reports related to  
freedom of expression, freedom of the press, and freedom of publishing  
situation in Tunisia. Discussions will also occur on the situation of  
freedom of association.

Finally, the event will be concluded by a North-African seminar on  
"governmental and NGO approaches of the issue of women and medias",  
organized by the Tunisian Association of Democratic Women (ATFD). The  
seminar will be held at ATFD headquarters in Tunis.

Below you will find (in French as for now):
- An invitation to attend by LTDH president
- A press release announcing the event
- The programme of the event

Best regards,
Meryem

====== Invitation by LTDH president ========
Tunis le 27 avril 2005

Invitation

Le Comit? Directeur de la Ligue Tunisienne pour la d?fense des Droits  
de l?Homme a l?honneur de vous inviter ? la manifestation consacr?e ?  
la c?l?bration de la Journ?e Internationale de la Libert? de la Presse  
les 6 et 7 mai 2005 au si?ge de la Ligue : 21 Rue Baudelaire, El  
Omrane, Tunis.
Cette manifestation est organis?e en collaboration avec le Conseil  
National des Libert?s en Tunisie, avec la participation des composantes  
de la soci?t? civile ind?pendante.

La s?ance d?ouverture est pr?vue pour le vendredi 6 mai 2005 ? 9h00 du  
matin

Le Pr?sident de la LTDH
Mokhtar Trifi

====== Press release =======
Communiqu? ? propos de la c?l?bration de la Journ?e Mondiale de la  
Libert? de la Presse, les 6 et 7 mai 2005

La Ligue Tunisienne pour la d?fense des Droits de l?Homme (LTDH) en  
collaboration avec le Conseil National pour les Libert?s en Tunisie  
(CNLT), avec la participation des composantes de la soci?t? civile  
ind?pendante, c?l?brent ensemble la Journ?e Mondiale de la Libert? de  
la Presse. Les manifestations que nous organisons cette ann?e prennent  
un relief particulier ? quelques mois de la tenue de la seconde phase  
du SMSI ? Tunis, en novembre prochain. C?est pourquoi nous privil?gions  
la collecte et le recensement des faits et des t?moignages sur l??tat  
des libert?s d?expression, de cr?ation, de communication incluant  
l?acc?s et la navigation sur la web ? partir de la Tunisie. A ce titre,  
les rapports ?labor?s par des ONG - internationales et nationales -  
nous livrent des donn?es et d?observations ?difiantes ? tous ?gards.  
Ils alimenteront notre r?flexion et constitueront une base de travail  
pr?cieuse pour notre participation ? la prochaine phase du SMSI.

La journ?e du vendredi 6 mai est donc consacr?e ? la pr?sentation des  
deux rapports internationaux de mission sur l??tat des m?dias et des  
libert?s en Tunisie effectu?e, d?une part, par la FIDH, l?OMCT, et  
l?organisation ? Droit et D?mocratie ?, et d?autre part, par l?IFEX-  
TMG (groupe d?observation sur la Tunisie). L?apr?s-midi, les ONG  
ind?pendantes tunisiennes qui se pr?occupent des questions de libert?  
d?expression et de cr?ation exposeront, tour ? tour, leur rapport  
respectif portant sur l??tat des m?dias et de libert? d?information,  
des conditions de travail des journalistes, de la censure des ?uvres  
culturelles, du contr?le  d?Internet? L??tat des lieux ainsi  
circonscrit, sera l?occasion pour nous tous de mieux jauger les  
d?clarations d?intention et proclamations de foi du pouvoir politique ?  
la r?alit? intangible des faits, de l?affirmation des principes et des  
engagements qu?il affiche dans les instances internationales ? leur  
exercice effectif et r?el. Les conf?rences qui seront donn?es, le  
lendemain, par deux sp?cialistes : le professeur D?borah HURLEY de  
l?Universit? am?ricaine d?Harvard et de la chercheuse Meryem Marzouki  
du CNRS (France) et coordinatrice du Caucus ? Droits de l?Homme ?  
aupr?s du SMSI, compl?teront et enrichiront le d?bat en y insufflant  
des ?l?ments d?analyse et de r?flexion pertinents.

Cette manifestation est d?di?e ? la m?moire du jeune internaute  
tunisien Zouhayr Yahyaoui, d?c?d? subitement le 13 mars dernier.

====== Programme =======
C?l?bration de la Journ?e Mondiale de la Libert? de la Presse
Programme des manifestations des journ?es du 6 et du 7 mai

Vendredi 6 mai 2005

09h00 : Mot d?accueil de Me Mokhtar Trifi Pr?sident de la LTDH

09h15 : Intervention des invit?s :

- Sidiki Kaba, Pr?sident de la FIDH
- Eric Sottas, Directeur de l?Organisation Mondiale contre la Torture  
(OMCT)
- Mark Bench, Directeur Ex?cutif de  World Press Freedom Committee  
(WPFC)
- Francesco Diasio, Association Mondiale des Radio diffuseurs  
communautaires
- Rohan Jayasekera, de ?Index on censorship?

10h45 : Pause caf?

11h00 :RENCONTRE AVEC LA PRESSE

-Rapport de la mission effectu?e par la FIDH, l?OMCT, et ? Droit et  
D?mocratie ?, pr?sent? par Antoine Madelin,Repr?sentant de la FIDH  
aupr?s des organisations intergouvernementales

- Rapport de la mission effectu?e par l?IFEX, groupe d?observation de  
la Tunisie (TMG), pr?sent? par Alexis Krikorian, Union Internationale  
des Editeurs (UIE)

11h40 ? 12h30 : D?bat avec les journalistes.

15h00 : Expos? des rapports sur l??tat de la presse et de la libert? de  
communication pr?par?s par les ONG tunisiennes : LTDH, CNLT, OLPEC, SJT

17h00 : D?bat

Samedi 7 mai 2005

09h00 : Conf?rence de D?borah Hurley, professeur ? Harvard University,  
experte aupr?s de l?OCDE, consultante aupr?s de l?ONUDI, sur :
? Les NTIC et la n?cessit? de prot?ger les Droits de l?homme ?

09h30 : Conf?rence de Meryem Marzouki, chercheuse au Centre National de  
la Recherche Scientifique (CNRS-France) et coordinatrice du caucus ?  
Droits de l?Homme ? aupr?s du SMSI, sur : ?  Le contr?le de l?Internet  
et son impact sur son usage et sur l??conomie ?

10h00 : D?bat

10h30 : Pause caf?

10h45 : Intervention des ONG tunisiennes sur la libert? d?expression et  
d?organisation

11h45 : D?bat

15h00 : S?minaire maghr?bin organis? par l?ATFD : ?  Les approches  
gouvernementales et des ONG sur femmes et m?dias ?
Le si?ge de l?ATFD : 67, Avenue de la Libert? Lafayette Tunis

Cette manifestation est d?di?e ? la m?moire du jeune internaute  
tunisien Zouhayr Yahyiaoui, d?c?d? subitement le 13 mars dernier.


