From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 12:19:43 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:14 2007
Subject: [governance] Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG Progress Report
In-Reply-To: <1620ADA2-5B5D-11D9-B5F0-000393CC2112@acm.org>
Message-ID: <20050101121943.6983.qmail@web60702.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,
I support the Avri proposal requiring more foccus on
our comments and proposals. The risk is that each
Working Group will deal with all issues and probably
in fine it will be very difficult to harmonize and
prioritize all proposals.
If we take the example of WGIG and Finance CS-WG we
are obliged in each group to discuss issues of the
other group. How to coordinate our actions ? 
Salut,
J'appuie la proposition d'Avri recommandant un plus
grand foccus dans nos reflexions, commentaires et
propositions qui risquent de diverger d'un groupe de
discussion à l'autre.
Si nous prenons les groupes qui travaillent sur la
gouvernance et sur le financement cela est clair que
chacun des deux groupes traite et de son domaine et de
celui du 2ème groupe, cela doit se vérifier pour
l'ensemble des autres groupes. Comment traiter ce défi
pour aboutir à des analyses et des recommandations de
la société civile concordantes et ne pas donner à
Tunis l'impression de la misère, du désordre et du
cahos d'une société civile alibi des puissantes
multinationales.
 
--- avri@acm.org wrote:

> 
> On 31 dec 2004, at 09.38, Yulia Timofeeva wrote:
> 
> > then there is certainly no need for WGIG to get
> involved into issues
> > like privacy, copyright, intellectual property,
> freedom of
> > information, cybercrime, etc.
> 
> Sometime I think WGIG might do something useful in
> making specific 
> recommendations that certain areas did not lend
> themselves to 
> international governance.
> 
> Alternatively WGIG could make recommendations that,
> originating from 
> other declarations such as that for Human Rights,
> interpret the already 
> signed agreements to indicate that the nations have
> a responsibility to 
> act in a certain way in ICT affairs.
> 
> The point I want to make is that WGIG
> recommendations are not 
> necessarily going to be that a certain aspect should
> be governed 
> through an international mechanism.  They can be
> just as effective 
> recommending that something not be governed or that
> the principles of 
> national governance are already agreed to elsewhere.
> 
> a.
> 
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From kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Sun Jan  2 16:25:13 2005
From: kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_Kleinw=E4chter?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:14 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG Progress Report
Message-ID: 
 <ACADB74FBBEFD94795A03FDBBDE62D3716FA84@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>

Dear Adam,
 
you are right, the WGIG has observers from "intergovernmental organisationsd", that is ITU, WIPO, World Bank, OECD and UNESCO. There is no observer from "international organisations". There was a brief discussion on the role opf obervers but it was not specifically procedural. Oberservers took the floor in the first (closed) meetings and nobody objected. I guess it is worth to clarify this point more in detail. 
 
Concerning onlookers and Chatham House ruoes, there was a discussion on onlookers from the press. There was also no final decision. It is certainly expected that onlookes will follow the Chatham House rules, and probably onlookers with a press badge will be kept ouside. But is is certainly easy for a journalist, to get an accrediation via another NGO or orivate sector entity. 
 
With the papers, we could it both ways. If a CS member has a special issue, he/she should user WGIG members to raise this point. Otherwise, if the situation gets clearer and we move from general listings to substantial points, CS WGIG members could post y "call for a position", so that they can take on board as much as possible ideas from the ground. Important is to  keep the communication ongoing si that we have all posisbilities for flexible inputs and responses.    
 
Best wishes
 
wolfgang
 

 
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Von: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org im Auftrag von Adam Peake
Gesendet: Do 30.12.2004 10:46
An: plenary@wsis-cs.org; governance@lists.cpsr.org
Betreff: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG Progress Report



Wolfgang,

Thank you very much for this.

Could you tell us about the role of observers,
the intergovernmental organizations, who are they
and what rights do they have? I'd guess observers
can be called to speak but otherwise keep quiet,
is that how it works?

And for the open/close session, are onlookers
also bound by the semi-Chatham house rules you
have adopted?

Anyway: substance.

You say "And please, come with concrete, innovative but short papers."

I can think of things I'd like to comment on, but
just writing on some subject and throwing it to
the working group is a bit vague.

Could you --perhaps all of you who joined the
WGIG via the WSIS CS-- tell us what issues you'd
like to hear people's ideas on, what questions
you have that we might all discuss.

Thanks again, and best wishes to all --list
members and WGIG-- for the New Year.

Adam


At 3:54 PM +0100 12/29/04, Wolfgang Kleinw?chter wrote:
>
>Dear list,
>
>here is a progress report from the ongoing activities of the WGIG.
>
>1. The initiative of  WGIG Secretary Kummer, to
>ask members of the group to indicate their
>preferences from the 50+ issues list produced a
>very constructive reply. The majority of members
>of the group selected three to six subjects
>where they indicated that they will be ready to
>write an issue paper or to contribute to the
>writing of an issue paper. The "issue paper" is
>not yet a "position paper". It is a "fact sheet"
>which describes the problem, collects the
>relevant facts, and maps the subject into the
>existing mechanism of governing bodies.
>Probably, if members of the group can agree, it
>adds a SWOT analysis to indicate already, where
>problems exists and controveries can emerge. The
>"issue paper" will be not longer than 3 - 5
>pages. The plan is to have the papers ready for
>internal distribution until January, 25 or so so
>that after a inner consultation process  they
>can constitute a basis for the first part of the
>forthcoming report which will be also
>descriptive by nature and include next to the
>"Map" also a brief history, based mainly of
>existing contributions from ISOC and others.
>
>2. While some issues of the 50+ list got low
>priority, other got high. Highest priorities got
>issues like Root Server, Names and Numbers (not
>a surprise). For a number of issues, voluneers
>have started to coordinate the work and to
>invite all members of the group who have
>indicated their willingness to make
>contributions to a special issue to join special
>sub-working groups. The sub working groups are
>at this stage for fact finding only. There is no
>discussion on the political, economic, cultural,
>legal and other "controversial" aspects of a
>problem. It is jst a correct factual overview
>about the issue with the aim to enable an
>informed discussion among group members at a
>later stage. The sub working groups are open for
>all WGIG members. Contributions are welcome. If
>somebody feels, an issue is not covered she/he
>can initiatie another sub-group. One member of
>the sub-group of "Names and Numbers" has already
>proposed to seperate the issues and to  create
>two sub-groups because number allocation is
>different from name space enlargement and name
>registration. But the debate has just started.
>No substantial discussion so far.
>
>3. The whole process is a member driven bottom
>up process, very closer to traditional listserv
>discussion than to intergovernmental diplomatic
>negotiations.  WGIG members who are silent or
>position themselves as "observers" risk to
>become sidelined. It will be difficult, to
>articulate dissend voices if you have missed the
>train. But so far the general climate in the
>e-mail discussion is very constructive. Each
>message is driven by the will of the members, to
>make a constructive contribution and to move
>foreward. But again, this is only the beginning.
>No hot potatoes has been on the table so far.
>
>4. The time table has been reorganised. Some
>members of the group disagreed with the idea, to
>have the 3rd meeting of the group as a follow up
>the the ICANN Mar del Plata Meting in Sao Paulo.
>The Brazilain government did invite the group.
>Some members saw this as a good idea to enable
>WGIG members to have a look into the ICANN
>practice and then to move to Brazil for the WGIG
>meeting. Others had a different approach. First
>point was timing. The planned dates were  in
>conflict with the dates of the already fixed
>8th meeting of the UNICTTF in Dublin (which
>coincides with another meeting of the TFFM).
>Members of the group gave this meeting a higher
>priority and wanted to have a date which would
>enable them to go to Dublin. The new dates of
>the 3rd WGIG meeting are now April 18 - 20, 2005
>in Geneva. Only a small number of members had
>problems with the Brazilian invitation (fearing
>that this will undermine the neutrality of the
>group) . Another proposal to go to New York has
>been also watered down, in particular with
>regard to the Visa Probkems members of the group
>could have if they want to enter the US.
>
>5. Concerning the 2nd meeting  a more detailed
>programme was discussed. There will be a closed
>meeting on Monday morning (14.2.) followd by an
>open closed meeting at the same day. (Opne
>C.osed means that the meeting is closed in
>principle, but so-called onlookers will have a
>right to sit in the room without speaking
>rights). Tuesday, 15th, will be open ended for
>everybody. The Wednesday meeting (16.2.) will be
>again partly "open closed" or "full closed". On
>Thursday and Friday, probably a drafting group
>will work on the formulation of the Interim
>Report, which has to be tabled to PrepCom2 on
>Monday, 21st, in the morning. There will be a
>full day during PrepCom2, where the delegates
>(and observers) will discuss the Interim Report
>in Plenary (probably Wednesday, 23rd).  The
>Interim Report will - like the Issue Papers -
>avoid to formulate already "positions". It will
>be  procedural and factual and will, probably,
>invite input from broader constituencies. So the
>hard work will be done between April and June.
>
>Hope this brings some light into the process.
>Feel free to contact me if you have any idea how
>to improve the interaction among WGIG members
>and the broader public. And please, come with
>concrete, innovative but short papers.
>
>So far so good.
>
>I wish everybody a  nice "Silvester Party" and
>to all uf us a great 2005 with a succesfull
>WSIS II.
>
>Best
>
>wolfgang
>
>
>
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From nne75 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  2 18:38:44 2005
From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:14 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG Progress Report
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Wolfagang
 
Thanks a million for the explanations so far.
 
It is important that members of the WGIG flash reflections to the plenary and to list.  It is equally important to take "feelers" from the ground up there.
 
Best of the new year
 
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From veni at veni.com  Mon Jan  3 06:52:31 2005
From: veni at veni.com (Veni Markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:14 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG Progress Report
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At 17:25 02-01-05  +0100, Wolfgang Kleinw?chter wrote:
>Dear Adam,
>
>you are right, the WGIG has observers from "intergovernmental 
>organisationsd", that is ITU, WIPO, World Bank, OECD and UNESCO. There is 
>no observer from "international organisations". There was a brief 
>discussion on the role opf obervers but it was not specifically 
>procedural. Oberservers took the floor in the first (closed) meetings and 
>nobody objected. I guess it is worth to clarify this point more in detail.

Dear Wolfgang and friends,
Happy New Year to all of you!

I will be in Geneva for the WGIG and part of the WSIS PrepCom meetings with 
my governmental hat; hope to be able to see you there as soon and have 
fruitful discussions.
I'd like also to ask those of you who feel competent to send me a private 
e-mail in case you are interested in participating in a project for 
preparing some help documents for the WGIG and more generally for IG.

best,
veni 


From acarvin at edc.org  Mon Jan  3 18:01:14 2005
From: acarvin at edc.org (Andy Carvin)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:14 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] determining which part of Prepcom 2 to attend
Message-ID: <41D9886A.1080104@edc.org>

Hi everyone,

I'm hoping to make my travel plans the upcoming Geneva Prepcom, and I 
was wondering if I could ask the group for some advice. The prepcom is 
schedule for Feb 17-25, but I may only be able to stay for four or five 
nights. In terms of contributing to CS activities (meetings, drafting 
sessions, etc) does anyone have a sense if it would be better for me to 
attend the first half of the meeting, the second half, or the middle? 
Has an agenda been published yet?

thanks,
ac

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From john.fung at hkcss.org.hk  Tue Jan  4 01:32:57 2005
From: john.fung at hkcss.org.hk (John Fung)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:14 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] determining which part of Prepcom 2 to attend
In-Reply-To: <41D9886A.1080104@edc.org>
Message-ID: <007f01c4f1fd$539ffbb0$6a01a8c0@John2>

Thank you andy for asking this question.
We are planning for the trip also and I need to know the schedule for CS
to meet too.

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-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On
Behalf Of Andy Carvin
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 2:01 AM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] determining which part of Prepcom 2 to attend


Hi everyone,

I'm hoping to make my travel plans the upcoming Geneva Prepcom, and I 
was wondering if I could ask the group for some advice. The prepcom is 
schedule for Feb 17-25, but I may only be able to stay for four or five 
nights. In terms of contributing to CS activities (meetings, drafting 
sessions, etc) does anyone have a sense if it would be better for me to 
attend the first half of the meeting, the second half, or the middle? 
Has an agenda been published yet?

thanks,
ac

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From avri at acm.org  Tue Jan  4 03:17:14 2005
From: avri at acm.org (avri@acm.org)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:14 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] determining which part of Prepcom 2 to attend
In-Reply-To: <41D9886A.1080104@edc.org>
References: <41D9886A.1080104@edc.org>
Message-ID: <21C2E11F-5DFF-11D9-B24C-000393CC2112@acm.org>

I only have one data point.   As far as I understand, the WGIG draft 
will be discussed by the PrepCom on 24 February.

a.


On 3 jan 2005, at 13.01, Andy Carvin wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm hoping to make my travel plans the upcoming Geneva Prepcom, and I 
> was wondering if I could ask the group for some advice. The prepcom is 
> schedule for Feb 17-25, but I may only be able to stay for four or 
> five nights. In terms of contributing to CS activities (meetings, 
> drafting sessions, etc) does anyone have a sense if it would be better 
> for me to attend the first half of the meeting, the second half, or 
> the middle? Has an agenda been published yet?
>
> thanks,
> ac
>
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From mueller at syr.edu  Tue Jan  4 04:55:26 2005
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:14 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG Progress Report
Message-ID: <s1d9db7a.039@gwia201.syr.edu>

Hi, Veni:
We'd (IGP) be happy to help.

>>> veni@veni.com 1/3/2005 1:52:31 AM >>>
I'd like also to ask those of you who feel competent to send me a
private 
e-mail in case you are interested in participating in a project for 
preparing some help documents for the WGIG and more generally for IG.

best,
veni 

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From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Tue Jan  4 04:58:20 2005
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:14 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PrepCom2 - deadline for accreditation January 6
Message-ID: <p0620071bbdffce90a863@[192.168.0.2]>

Please see <http://www.itu.int/wsis/preparatory2/pc2/index.html>

The deadline for accreditation requests is 6 January 2004.

All entities accredited during the first phase of the Summit remain 
accredited for the second phase. There are lists of accredited 
entities here 
<http://www.itu.int/wsis/documents/doc_multi.asp?lang=en&id=280|956|1242>

Online registration will begin on 5 January 2005.  The focal points 
of accredited organizations will be sent information about how to 
complete online registrations.

(I'm just copying this information from the WSIS website -- it's 
important so please check.)

Thanks,

Adam

From bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de  Tue Jan  4 09:41:34 2005
From: bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:14 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] determining which part of Prepcom 2 to attend
In-Reply-To: <41D9886A.1080104@edc.org>
References: <41D9886A.1080104@edc.org>
Message-ID: <41DA64CE.80905@zedat.fu-berlin.de>

Hi Andy and all,

and a good new year to everybody!

Andy Carvin schrieb:
 > In terms of contributing to CS activities (meetings, drafting
> sessions, etc) does anyone have a sense if it would be better for me to 
> attend the first half of the meeting, the second half, or the middle? 
It probably will depend on your interests. If you mainly want to be 
there for internet governance, then the first week with the WGIG 
consultations might be better. If you come for the overall action, then 
according to my experience the second week is where things get hot. It 
usually takes them some time to warm up and focus on the conflicts. As 
finance will be one of the big issues for PC2, it might turn out that 
meetings in the second week will be held till midnight again.

> Has an agenda been published yet?
Not yet, but a recent change on the official prepcom page includes an 
announcement of travel fellowships for people from LDCs. Deadline is 
January 21st.

Ralf <- glad to be there for the full two weeks

From e.ariwa at londonmet.ac.uk  Tue Jan  4 11:06:50 2005
From: e.ariwa at londonmet.ac.uk (Ezendu Ariwa)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:14 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Travel fellowships for people from LDCs.[WSIS CS-Plenary]
 determining which part of Prepcom 2 to attend
In-Reply-To: <41DA64CE.80905@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
References: <41D9886A.1080104@edc.org> <41DA64CE.80905@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
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Dear Sir/madam

May I request for Travel Fellowship for the attending of the WSIS
CS-Plenary] determining which part of Prepcom 2 in February as I have no
further allocated budget at the moment

Kindly advice me on how to secure any funding for the attendance

Ezendu





 > Hi Andy and all,
>
> and a good new year to everybody!
>
> Andy Carvin schrieb:
>  > In terms of contributing to CS activities (meetings, drafting
>> sessions, etc) does anyone have a sense if it would be better for me to
>> attend the first half of the meeting, the second half, or the middle?
> It probably will depend on your interests. If you mainly want to be
> there for internet governance, then the first week with the WGIG
> consultations might be better. If you come for the overall action, then
> according to my experience the second week is where things get hot. It
> usually takes them some time to warm up and focus on the conflicts. As
> finance will be one of the big issues for PC2, it might turn out that
> meetings in the second week will be held till midnight again.
>
>> Has an agenda been published yet?
> Not yet, but a recent change on the official prepcom page includes an
> announcement of travel fellowships for people from LDCs. Deadline is
> January 21st.
>
> Ralf <- glad to be there for the full two weeks
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From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Tue Jan  4 13:32:14 2005
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] determining which part of Prepcom 2 to attend
In-Reply-To: <41DA64CE.80905@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <E1ClonJ-0001eO-00@clever.eusc.inter.net>

Hi Andy, Ralph and all

 

According to informal contacts with the Secretariat a very preliminary time
table for PC2 looks as follows. It will only be finalized by the next
Government Bureau meeting on 12/13 January. So please check constantly also
for fellowship details, which include the stay for the WGIG www.itu/int/wsis


 

Provisional time table for WGIG (14-16 Jan.) and PrepCom2 (17-25)

 

 

WGIG                    14 -16 Jan.

Monday 14 Jan.          

Morning:                open for (silent) observers, mainly reporting

Afternoon:              closed

Tuesday 15 Jan          all day open meeting

Wednesday:              closed meeting

 

PrepCom2                17 -25 Jan.

Thursday 17 Jan

Morning:                Plenary: adoption of agenda, housekeeping and
reporting (regional and other meetings)

Afternoon:              General Debate: mainly on Financing

Friday 18 Jan all day   Subcommittee to discuss GFC document,

                        Beginning with Finance chapter

Monday-Wednesday:       Subcommittee continued

21-23 Jan               Chapeau, first, second and fourth chapter

Thursday 24 Jan         Preliminary discussion on chapter three: IG

Friday:                 Plenary: Report, dates for next PrepCom and an evtl.
Intersessional meeting and Format of Summit

                        

                                    

A first CS Orientation session will be held on Monday (14 Jan) afternoon
from 14:00 - 19:00 with breakouts for Caucuses and WGs

 

Wishing you all a very good year

 

Renata

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On Behalf
Of Ralf Bendrath
Sent: mardi, 4. janvier 2005 10:42
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] determining which part of Prepcom 2 to attend

 

Hi Andy and all,

 

and a good new year to everybody!

 

Andy Carvin schrieb:

 > In terms of contributing to CS activities (meetings, drafting

> sessions, etc) does anyone have a sense if it would be better for me to 

> attend the first half of the meeting, the second half, or the middle? 

It probably will depend on your interests. If you mainly want to be 

there for internet governance, then the first week with the WGIG 

consultations might be better. If you come for the overall action, then 

according to my experience the second week is where things get hot. It 

usually takes them some time to warm up and focus on the conflicts. As 

finance will be one of the big issues for PC2, it might turn out that 

meetings in the second week will be held till midnight again.

 

> Has an agenda been published yet?

Not yet, but a recent change on the official prepcom page includes an 

announcement of travel fellowships for people from LDCs. Deadline is 

January 21st.

 

Ralf <- glad to be there for the full two weeks

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From veni at veni.com  Tue Jan  4 13:39:54 2005
From: veni at veni.com (Veni Markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] determining which part of Prepcom 2 to
  attend
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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Tue Jan  4 14:38:16 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN News - UNDP director is now Annan's head of staff
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050104153858.02e4eaa8@193.200.15.187>
References: <41DA64CE.80905@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
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Message-ID: <p06200703be0059e1fba6@[192.168.1.251]>

Seeing UNDP is a key UN organization - involved in the MDG's, the 
WSIS finance group, and many other things... - i thought it important 
to made sure people knew of this recent development....

regards

Robert

---

3 January 2005 ? Saying that 2005 offered the United Nations a 
critical opportunity to push through a new round of reforms, 
Secretary-General Kofi Annan announced today that he had chosen the 
UN's top development official to be his new chief of staff, who would 
play a key role in carrying out a series of measures to enhance the 
effectiveness of the world body.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=12955&Cr=Millennium&Cr1=goals



UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has chosen a new chief of staff to 
help reform the world body, as it deals with corruption claims and 
strained US ties.

The new chief, Mark Malloch Brown, will keep his present job as head 
of the UN Development Programme.

The 51-year-old Briton is replacing Mr Annan's long-time confidante, 
Iqbal Riza, whose resignation was announced last month amid UN staff 
unrest.

Mr Malloch Brown acknowledged the UN was facing a difficult period. ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4144035.stm

-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de  Tue Jan  4 14:42:19 2005
From: bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] determining which part of Prepcom 2 to attend
In-Reply-To: <E1ClonJ-0001eO-00@clever.eusc.inter.net>
References: <E1ClonJ-0001eO-00@clever.eusc.inter.net>
Message-ID: <41DAAB4B.4010600@zedat.fu-berlin.de>

Thanks Renata, this is really helpful.

To all:
I try to maintain an updated overview page about the PrepCom including 
meetings, events, fellowships and other useful information on 
http://www.worldsummit2005.org/.
So you might want to check there regularly (and on the official 
www.wsis.org page of course). If any info is missing, let me know.

Ralf

Renata Bloem schrieb:
> According to informal contacts with the Secretariat a very preliminary 
> time table for PC2 looks as follows. 

From mclauglm at po.muohio.edu  Tue Jan  4 15:47:11 2005
From: mclauglm at po.muohio.edu (mclauglm@po.muohio.edu)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN News - UNDP director is now Annan's head
 of staff
In-Reply-To: <p06200703be0059e1fba6@[192.168.1.251]>
References: <41DA64CE.80905@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
 <E1ClonJ-0001eO-00@clever.eusc.inter.net>
 <6.2.0.14.2.20050104153858.02e4eaa8@193.200.15.187>
 <p06200703be0059e1fba6@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <p06010200be0069862c0c@[192.168.1.100]>

Thanks, Robert, for sharing this information. For those who are 
troubled by such things, Mr. Malloch Brown has been a key figure in 
the UN Global Compact, private-public partnerships (which have no 
mechanisms for accountability despite his frequent use of the term), 
and in the UN move toward market-led development. Which, I would 
suggest, means that all in all very little has changed. Mr. Malloch 
Brown is simply more acceptable to the US and other Western countries 
than is Mr. Rizal. If interested, see the following urls for remarks 
by Mr. Malloch Brown:

http://www.globalagendamagazine.com/2003/markmallochbrown.asp

http://www.europaworld.org/issue8/theuncanhelworlbus/01100.htm (The 
UN Can Help World Business)

Best wishes to all for peace in the New Year,

Lisa


At 9:38 AM -0500 1/4/05, Robert Guerra wrote:
>Seeing UNDP is a key UN organization - involved in the MDG's, the 
>WSIS finance group, and many other things... - i thought it 
>important to made sure people knew of this recent development....
>
>regards
>
>Robert
>
>---
>
>3 January 2005 - Saying that 2005 offered the United Nations a 
>critical opportunity to push through a new round of reforms, 
>Secretary-General Kofi Annan announced today that he had chosen the 
>UN's top development official to be his new chief of staff, who 
>would play a key role in carrying out a series of measures to 
>enhance the effectiveness of the world body.
>
>http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=12955&Cr=Millennium&Cr1=goals
>
>
>
>UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has chosen a new chief of staff to 
>help reform the world body, as it deals with corruption claims and 
>strained US ties.
>
>The new chief, Mark Malloch Brown, will keep his present job as head 
>of the UN Development Programme.
>
>The 51-year-old Briton is replacing Mr Annan's long-time confidante, 
>Iqbal Riza, whose resignation was announced last month amid UN staff 
>unrest.
>
>Mr Malloch Brown acknowledged the UN was facing a difficult period. ...
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4144035.stm
>
>--
>###
>Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
>Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>
>_______________________________________________
>Plenary mailing list
>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


From ca at rits.org.br  Tue Jan  4 16:05:33 2005
From: ca at rits.org.br (carlos a. afonso)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN News - UNDP director is now Annan's head
	of staff
In-Reply-To: <p06010200be0069862c0c@[192.168.1.100]>
References: <41DA64CE.80905@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <E1ClonJ-0001eO-00@clever.eusc.inter.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20050104153858.02e4eaa8@193.200.15.187> <p06200703be0059e1fba6@[192.168.1.251]> <p06010200be0069862c0c@[192.168.1.100]>
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200501041405.AA05330502@rits.org.br>

... truly acceptable to the US: under his admin UNDP signed a broad 
"collaborative" agreement with Microsoft.

--c.a.

-----Original Message-----
From: mclauglm@po.muohio.edu
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:47:11 -0500
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN News - UNDP director is now Annan's head 
of staff

> Thanks, Robert, for sharing this information. For those who are 
> troubled by such things, Mr. Malloch Brown has been a key figure in 
> the UN Global Compact, private-public partnerships (which have no 
> mechanisms for accountability despite his frequent use of the term), 
> and in the UN move toward market-led development. Which, I would 
> suggest, means that all in all very little has changed. Mr. Malloch 
> Brown is simply more acceptable to the US and other Western countries
> than is Mr. Rizal. If interested, see the following urls for remarks 
> by Mr. Malloch Brown:
> 
> http://www.globalagendamagazine.com/2003/markmallochbrown.asp
> 
> http://www.europaworld.org/issue8/theuncanhelworlbus/01100.htm (The 
> UN Can Help World Business)
> 
> Best wishes to all for peace in the New Year,
> 
> Lisa



From vb at bertola.eu.org  Tue Jan  4 16:15:44 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] determining which part of Prepcom 2 to attend
In-Reply-To: <E1ClonJ-0001eO-00@clever.eusc.inter.net>
References: <E1ClonJ-0001eO-00@clever.eusc.inter.net>
Message-ID: <1104855345.3955.86.camel@croce.dyf.it>

Il giorno mar, 04-01-2005 alle 14:32 +0100, Renata Bloem ha scritto:

> Tuesday 15 Jan          all day open meeting
> 
> Wednesday:              closed meeting

AFAIK, Wednesday 16 should be open too. The WGIG will then have a closed
meeting on Feb 17 and 18.
-- 
vb.             [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...


From mclauglm at po.muohio.edu  Tue Jan  4 16:16:39 2005
From: mclauglm at po.muohio.edu (mclauglm@po.muohio.edu)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN News - UNDP director is now Annan's head
 	of staff
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F200501041405.AA05330502@rits.org.br>
References: <41DA64CE.80905@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
 <E1ClonJ-0001eO-00@clever.eusc.inter.net>
 <6.2.0.14.2.20050104153858.02e4eaa8@193.200.15.187>
 <p06200703be0059e1fba6@[192.168.1.251]>
 <p06010200be0069862c0c@[192.168.1.100]>
 <WorldClient-F200501041405.AA05330502@rits.org.br>
Message-ID: <p06010200be00709e7aae@[192.168.1.100]>

Under Mr. Malloch Brown's admin UNDP also signed an agreement with 
Cisco Systems to promote Netaid, an event from which Harry Belafonte 
withdrew his support, referring to it as "a trade show" that promoted 
the UN bureaucracy and Cisco rather than dealing "with the flesh and 
blood that makes up the hungry and disenfranchised of this world."

Lisa




At 2:05 PM -0200 1/4/05, carlos a. afonso wrote:
>... truly acceptable to the US: under his admin UNDP signed a broad
>"collaborative" agreement with Microsoft.
>
>--c.a.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mclauglm@po.muohio.edu
>To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:47:11 -0500
>Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN News - UNDP director is now Annan's head
>of staff
>
>>  Thanks, Robert, for sharing this information. For those who are
>>  troubled by such things, Mr. Malloch Brown has been a key figure in
>>  the UN Global Compact, private-public partnerships (which have no
>>  mechanisms for accountability despite his frequent use of the term),
>>  and in the UN move toward market-led development. Which, I would
>>  suggest, means that all in all very little has changed. Mr. Malloch
>>  Brown is simply more acceptable to the US and other Western countries
>>  than is Mr. Rizal. If interested, see the following urls for remarks
>>  by Mr. Malloch Brown:
>>
>>  http://www.globalagendamagazine.com/2003/markmallochbrown.asp
>>
>>  http://www.europaworld.org/issue8/theuncanhelworlbus/01100.htm (The
>>  UN Can Help World Business)
>>
>>  Best wishes to all for peace in the New Year,
>>
>>  Lisa


From j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk  Tue Jan  4 16:45:33 2005
From: j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk (Jonathan Cave)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] determining which part of Prepcom 2 to
  attend
In-Reply-To: <1104855345.3955.86.camel@croce.dyf.it>
References: <E1ClonJ-0001eO-00@clever.eusc.inter.net>
 <1104855345.3955.86.camel@croce.dyf.it>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050104164322.01e6dd18@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>

Just to confirm - for this purpose, are connectors the same as observers?

Thanks,

J.
>Plenary mailing list
>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


From Bill.McIver at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca  Tue Jan  4 17:58:12 2005
From: Bill.McIver at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca (Bill McIver)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN News - UNDP director is now Annan's head
  of staff
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F200501041405.AA05330502@rits.org.br>
References: <WorldClient-F200501041405.AA05330502@rits.org.br>
Message-ID: <41DAD934.8040005@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>


Related: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/03/international/03nations.html


WJM


carlos a. afonso wrote:

> ... truly acceptable to the US: under his admin UNDP signed a broad
> "collaborative" agreement with Microsoft.
>
> --c.a.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mclauglm@po.muohio.edu
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:47:11 -0500
> Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN News - UNDP director is now Annan's 
> head
> of staff
>
> > Thanks, Robert, for sharing this information. For those who are
> > troubled by such things, Mr. Malloch Brown has been a key figure in
> > the UN Global Compact, private-public partnerships (which have no
> > mechanisms for accountability despite his frequent use of the term),
> > and in the UN move toward market-led development. Which, I would
> > suggest, means that all in all very little has changed. Mr. Malloch
> > Brown is simply more acceptable to the US and other Western countries
> > than is Mr. Rizal. If interested, see the following urls for remarks
> > by Mr. Malloch Brown:
> >
> > http://www.globalagendamagazine.com/2003/markmallochbrown.asp
> >
> > http://www.europaworld.org/issue8/theuncanhelworlbus/01100.htm (The
> > UN Can Help World Business)
> >
> > Best wishes to all for peace in the New Year,
> >
> > Lisa
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Tue Jan  4 19:03:29 2005
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: determining which part of PreCom2 to attend
Message-ID: <41BEB6900010A348@mail6.bluewin.ch> (added by postmaster@bluewin.ch)

Hi all,

 

The timetable for PrepCom 2 was of course for February, and not January as
erroneously mentioned. And thank you, Veni, for having spotted it
immediately.

Renata

 

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From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Tue Jan  4 14:40:06 2005
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] determining which part of Prepcom 2 to  attend
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050104153858.02e4eaa8@193.200.15.187>
Message-ID: <E1Clpqz-0005yh-00@havoc.eusc.inter.net>

Thank you, Veni, for spotting this immediately. I seem to suffer fro flu
more than I thought. Of course, it is February.

Renata    

 

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From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On Behalf
Of Veni Markovski
Sent: mardi, 4. janvier 2005 14:40
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Cc: rbloem@ngocongo.org
Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] determining which part of Prepcom 2 to attend

 

At 14:32 04-01-05  +0100, Renata Bloem wrote:



Hi Andy, Ralph and all
 
According to informal contacts with the Secretariat a very preliminary time
table for PC2 looks as follows. It will only be finalized by the next
Government Bureau meeting on 12/13 January. So please check constantly also
for fellowship details, which include the stay for the WGIG www.itu/int/wsis

 
Provisional time table for WGIG (14-16 Jan.) and PrepCom2 (17-25)


Renata, you obviously have in mind not January, but February :)
Happy New Year, and best wishes to you and all readers here!

veni




 
 
WGIG                    14 -16 Jan.
Monday 14 Jan.          
Morning:                open for (silent) observers, mainly reporting
Afternoon:              closed
Tuesday 15 Jan          all day open meeting
Wednesday:              closed meeting
 
PrepCom2                17 -25 Jan.
Thursday 17 Jan
Morning:                Plenary: adoption of agenda, housekeeping and
reporting (regional and other meetings)
Afternoon:              General Debate: mainly on Financing
Friday 18 Jan all day   Subcommittee to discuss GFC document,
                        Beginning with Finance chapter
Monday-Wednesday:       Subcommittee continued
21-23 Jan               Chapeau, first, second and fourth chapter
Thursday 24 Jan         Preliminary discussion on chapter three: IG
Friday:                 Plenary: Report, dates for next PrepCom and an evtl.
Intersessional meeting and Format of Summit
                        
                                    
A first CS Orientation session will be held on Monday (14 Jan) afternoon
from 14:00 v 19:00 with breakouts for Caucuses and WGs
 
Wishing you all a very good year
 
Renata
 

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From martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar  Wed Jan  5 12:23:03 2005
From: martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar (Martin Olivera)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Liberation/Francia: l'accord Microsoft-UNESCO
Message-ID: <20050105122303.58775.qmail@web52305.mail.yahoo.com>

Saiu hoje (05/01) no "Lib?ration" Fran?a:
    http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=265884

Cr?tica ao acordo da Microsoft com a UNESCO assinada
por Sergio Amadeu da Silveira, do "Instituto Nacional
de Tecnologia da Informa??o (governo brasileiro)";
Beno?t Sibaud da "Association pour la promotion et la
recherche en informatique libre"
e Fr?d?ric Couchet da "Fondation du logiciel libre"

    Bill Gates ? la conqu?te du Sud

    Le partenariat entre Microsoft et l'Unesco risque
d'assujettir les
    pays en d?veloppement.



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From katitza at speedy.com.pe  Wed Jan  5 13:52:25 2005
From: katitza at speedy.com.pe (Katitza Rodriguez)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Fwd: [huridocs-tech] UNESCO Conference: Freedom of Expression in Cyberspace
Message-ID: <200501050852.26047.katitza@speedy.com.pe>

fyi,

----------  Forwarded Message  ----------

Subject: [huridocs-tech] UNESCO Conference: Freedom of Expression in 
Cyberspace
Date: Wednesday 05 January 2005 07:39
From: HURIDOCS <info@huridocs.org>
To: huridocs-tech@hrea.org

The International Conference on Freedom of Expression in Cyberspace is
being organised by UNESCOs Sector of Communication and Information. It
will take place at UNESCO Headquarters in Paris, from 3 to 4 February
2005.

This meeting is organized within the framework of UNESCO's current
participation in the activities related to the process of the World Summit
on the Information Society (WSIS) and seeks to provide a forum for debate,
reflection and analysis of the different issues concerning the application
of universal freedom of expression principles to cyberspace and new
information and communication technologies (ICTs).

The meeting will gather prominent figures from the international sphere,
civil society groups, scholars in the field, journalists and other media
professionals, as well as representatives from authorities dealing with
these issues, representing all regions of the world.

All panels will follow a keynote speech and interventions from panellists
that shall then be followed by a general debate open to participants.
Interpretation in English and French will be provided during the meeting.

For more details, contact Ms. Anne Lubbe <a.lubbe@unesco.org>.



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From nne75 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  5 15:00:56 2005
From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Discussion Forum of Africa Civil Society on WSIS Phase II
Message-ID: <20050105150057.71793.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com>

Francais below:

---

Dear all,

This is to inform and invite you all to participate in an online
discussion forum of Africa civil society to develop position papers on
various policy issues in preparation to the upcoming Africa regional
PrepCom for WSIS in Accra, Ghana later this month.

The discussion forum will cover three main areas of:

-  ICT Policy Priorities for Africa
-  Financial Mechanisms for ICTD
-  Internet Governance

The discussion forum will take place in the coming three weeks 
(commencing today 5th till January the 26th January) with weekly 
summaries on each of the areas discussed.

The final report will be presented in Accra during the Africa
civil society pre-event meeting to be held on the 28th February, an 
agenda of the meeting will be posted to this list shortly.

The discussion forum will he held in both English and French with 
weekly translations.

The final outputs will then form the basis for inputs/contributions by
Africa civil society during the official processes/thematic workshops
that will take place during the PrepCom in Accra.

We look forward to your active participation.

Kind Regards,

The African Civil Society for the Information Society - ACSIS
 
NB: To subscribe to the aisi-l@lyris.bellanet.org for the consultation
Contact atemtime@uneca.org or nne75@yahoo.com 

-----
Chers tous,

Par ce message, nous voudrions vous inviter à participer à un débat
électronique de la société civile africaine, organisé dans le cadre de 
la préparation de la conférence africaine du SMSI qui doit se tenir à 
Accra à la fin de ce mois. Ce débat a pour objectif de conduire à la rédaction  de documents de propositions sur les divers enjeux en discussion.

La discussion couvrira trois sujets principaux :
- Les priorités en matière de politiques des TIC pour l’Afrique
- Les mécanismes de financement des TIC pour le développement
- La gouvernance de l’Internet

Le débat aura lieu durant les trois prochaines semaines. Il débutera ce 5
janvier et prendra fin le 26 janvier. Une synthèse hebdomadaire sera
réalisée et diffusée sur chaque thème.

Un rapport final sera présenté à Accra au cours d’une rencontre 
précédant la conférence régionale que la société civile organise. Cette rencontre aura lieu le 28 janvier. Le programme sera diffusé bientôt.

La discussion aura lieu en français et en anglais. Des traductions
hebdomadaires seront réalisées.

Les résultats constitueront la base de la contribution de la société
civile africaine lors des manifestations officielles (ateliers et 
autres) organisées pendant la conférence préparatoire d’Accra.

Nous espérons que vous participerez activement à ce débat.

Salutations cordiales.

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From correia.rui at gmail.com  Wed Jan  5 14:43:08 2005
From: correia.rui at gmail.com (Rui Correia)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Liberation/Francia: l'accord Microsoft-UNESCO - English translation
In-Reply-To: <20050105122303.58775.qmail@web52305.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c4f334$e388d160$0100a8c0@Laptop>

Dear All

Herewith a rushed translation of the French text found in the link provided
by Martin Oliveira to the French newspaper in which it was published today.
The translation was fed through translation software and then polished up
where necessary for comprehension - it is far form being a perfect product;
it was done only in the interest of sharing this article. The names of the
authors and their affiliation appear at bottom

Regards, Rui
___________________________________________________________________________
Liberation newspaper, Paris - 5/1/2005

On November 17, Bill Gates, on a trip to Paris, returned visit to the head
office of UNESCO to sign an agreement of partnership with the organization.
The agreement defines eight objectives for which UNESCO and Microsoft
promise themselves to work together, by exchanging experiment, know-how and
projects of development. 

As praiseworthy as are these objectives, we are astonished to see UNESCO
choosing to implement them with the assistance of Microsoft.  That, the more
so as the international organization showed has in the past shown
significant signs of support for free/ libre software, setting up a portal
dedicated to it, recognizing project GNU (1)  "A world cultural heritage",
or by supporting the development of live CD Freeduc of the project Ofset
(2).  The annual report 2003 of the UNCTAD concluded that " the free
software could invigorate the ICT sector in the developing countries " and
UNESCO affirmed, by the voice from Abdul Waheed Khan (Information department
and Communication):  "UNESCO encouraged always the extension and the
dissemination of the information and recognizes that in the field of the
software, the free software diffuses this knowledge in a manner that the
software owner does not allow."  

However here that with the signature of this partnership we have the feeling
to see this honourable institution loosing out on a real opportunity to
reduce the digital divide in the developing countries.  Because, what will
be the effects in the long term for the two parts?  With examining them, one
realizes that they are " commercial repercussions " with regard to Microsoft
while it is the term of " negative consequences " which is essential for
what looks at the countries of the South... 

The Redmond firm [Microsoft], in exchange for a tiny investment and the
provision of copies of already obsolete programs, is given the opportunity
of [..] commercial penetration in the countries of the South, and rewarded
with prestige and the power to prescribe to a large international
organization.  For the developing countries the list of the consequences and
let-downs is longer.  

By promoting the software owner, the agreement encourages the countries in
the process of development to perceive the software as a thing which one
buys rather than to build it, as an industrial product rather than a
cultural technique which deserves to be taught and shared.  The agreement
adheres to the idea that it is acceptable to give up essential freedoms with
an only aim of having access to certain data-processing programs.  Education
and the culture cannot be reduced to know-how and knowledge:  they are also
made values. When software is used as a conduit for education and culture,
these values should not be relegated to the background.  

If the developing countries aspire to reduce the digital divide which
separates them from the industrialized countries, they do not hope to
sacrifice their linguistic and cultural specificities to it. However
Microsoft, to which one proposes to allow them to become captive customers,
is not able to develop versions of its software in languages or for uses
which do not offer a profitable outlet for trade for MS.  Such is not the
case of the free software where engagement, voluntary or not, of a reduced
number people allows this localization.  Internet Navigator Mozilla can thus
from now on be used with an interface in Luganda, thanks to the efforts of a
small team of eight people.  This translation was concluded in less than one
year by a team of eight motivated users, including four translators, without
financing and formal organization.  

As very recently emphasized by the Association of the Ivory Coast GNU/Linux
and the free Software:  " to learn, it is necessary to understand".  How
must one conceive of how the students in data processing of the developing
countries would adapt techniques of which the essence remain hidden?  Or
worse, where is the legitimacy as far as teaching, of a firm whose
commercial model rests mainly on the prohibition of the study and the use of
the technical processes that it implements?  Contrary to this skimped
mentality, the philosophy of the free software is founded on knowledge
sharing, perfectly in harmony with the traditional culture of sharing of a
number of developing countries, in particular African. A well-worn slogan of
the development aid the Seventies proclaims:  " By giving a fish to a man,
one nourishes it one day;  while teaching him how to fish one nourishes it
all his life."  At the computer age, by giving a software owner to a man,
one makes a simple consumer of technology of it;  while by making it
possible to him to adapt the technique of the free software, he becomes
producer of it.  

By making the choice of the software owner, a State is limited to rent a
technology hiring which it will discharge in the form of renewable licences
and from paying updates of his tools.  In the case of the free software, the
software development will be carried out locally, and this capital which
left abroad will remain in the GDP.  The capacity to be undertaken in the
company of information depends firstly on the access to the software on
which it is based.  An industrialist who would be dependent on a supplier in
situation of quasi-monopoly which prohibits to him to modify the software
tools to adapt them to its activity loses any hope to enter one day on an
equal footing the world competition.  An industry based on the free software
is placed, it, from the start, on the same level of technology as the
largest international actors.  At the age of the information society, only
the country which controls its software tools can hope to control its
development.  Or else, it is victim of an initially economic and cultural
crawling colonization, then, with final, political.  To be convinced some,
it is only to observe the intense efforts of lobbying anti free software
currently carried out by the United States within the world Summit on the
information Society (WSIS).  

In addition to its effectiveness, the political leaders wait for a
communication system which the deliberations  and decisions that it prepares
to take are subjected neither to the glance nor with the influence of a
third voice, be it a foreign power or private interests.  Insurances that
cannot in no case to deliver the Microsoft products because of the character
confidential and dissimulated their source codes.  Besides as of year 2000,
a report of the Delegation of the strategic businesses by the French
ministry of the Armies, pointed the collusion between the NSA (National
Security Agency) and Microsoft, going as far as denouncing, while remaining
however prudently with conditional, the presence of civil servant of the NSA
among the teams of developers of Microsoft.  Four years later, the
parliamentary report on the economic intelligence ordered by the Raffarin
government with the deputy Bernard Carayon underlined the same dangers
attached to the software owner as regards informational independence.  The
free software, whose source code is verifiable by all, is not suspect to
collusion between states and private interests.  He only can guarantee to
the countries South that by making up for their technological lost time,
they do not abdicate at the same time a share of their sovereignty. 

We are apprehensive that through this partnership, with the assistance quite
involuntary of UNESCO, Microsoft be in a position to force the hand of the
developing countries to place them on the way, not of a sustainable
development, but of a subjection just as sustainable.  We are apprehensive
also that the Microsoft "gift" could be the "kiss of death " given to the
research and software industry of these countries.  The offer of Bill Gates
to UNESCO is an offer of commercial development for Microsoft, whereas the
free software presents a real alternative of cultural development,
scientific, technological and economic for the countries of the South 

We take note of the declaration of Ko?chiro Matsuura, general manager of
UNESCO, which indicated that " the relation between Microsoft and UNESCO
were not exclusive ".  We sincerely hope to see these remarks finding soon
their confirmation through a step which gives the priority to the free
software, step which would restore a balance now broken.  

(1) Project launched in 1984 to build an operating system chorus and the
head of orchestra of any completely free computer.  Name GNU, " GNU' S not
Unix ", is a joke of data processing specialist, the acronym will never
reveal its meaning.  

(2) Freeduc is an entirely free GNU/Linux distribution not requiring any
installation.  It is especially dedicated to the world of teaching and gives
the possibility to the actors of the field of being familiarized with the 40
selected free applications.  

Sergio Amadeu da Silveira of the national Institute of information
technologies (Brazil), Benoit Sibaud 
association for promotion and research in free data processing and Frederic
Couchet of the Foundation of the free software.  

________________________________________________
?
?
Rui Correia
Advocacy, Media and Language Consultant
36 Finch St, 
Ontdekkers Park, Roodepoort, 
Johannesburg, South Africa
Tel/ Fax (+27-11) 766-4336
Cell (+27) (0) 83-368-1214



-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On Behalf
Of Martin Olivera
Sent: 05 January 2005 14:23
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Liberation/Francia: l'accord Microsoft-UNESCO

Saiu hoje (05/01) no "Lib?ration" Fran?a:
    http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=265884

Cr?tica ao acordo da Microsoft com a UNESCO assinada
por Sergio Amadeu da Silveira, do "Instituto Nacional
de Tecnologia da Informa??o (governo brasileiro)";
Beno?t Sibaud da "Association pour la promotion et la
recherche en informatique libre"
e Fr?d?ric Couchet da "Fondation du logiciel libre"

    Bill Gates ? la conqu?te du Sud

    Le partenariat entre Microsoft et l'Unesco risque
d'assujettir les
    pays en d?veloppement.



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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  5 15:28:38 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Discussion Forum of Africa Civil Society on WSIS Phase II
In-Reply-To: <20050105150057.71793.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050105152838.86933.qmail@web60705.mail.yahoo.com>

Nnenna,
I would like that our Draft "position paper" of our CS
working group be available to be discussed on
Financial Mechanisms for ICTD. It is possible to find
it  http://www.wsis-finance.org
Is it possible to propose for discussion paper i am
drafting on SDF ?
Many thanks
Nnenna, cela serait souhaitable de verser le contenu
de notre site  http://www.wsis-finance.org et surtout
le projet de papier de position au niveau de groupe de
discussion qui travaillera sur les mécanismes de
financement. Est-il possible de verser au débat un
papier en cours de rédaction sur le FSN ?
Merci 
--- Nnenna <nne75@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Francais below:
> 
> ---
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> This is to inform and invite you all to participate
> in an online
> discussion forum of Africa civil society to develop
> position papers on
> various policy issues in preparation to the upcoming
> Africa regional
> PrepCom for WSIS in Accra, Ghana later this month.
> 
> The discussion forum will cover three main areas of:
> 
> -  ICT Policy Priorities for Africa
> -  Financial Mechanisms for ICTD
> -  Internet Governance
> 
> The discussion forum will take place in the coming
> three weeks 
> (commencing today 5th till January the 26th January)
> with weekly 
> summaries on each of the areas discussed.
> 
> The final report will be presented in Accra during
> the Africa
> civil society pre-event meeting to be held on the
> 28th February, an 
> agenda of the meeting will be posted to this list
> shortly.
> 
> The discussion forum will he held in both English
> and French with 
> weekly translations.
> 
> The final outputs will then form the basis for
> inputs/contributions by
> Africa civil society during the official
> processes/thematic workshops
> that will take place during the PrepCom in Accra.
> 
> We look forward to your active participation.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> The African Civil Society for the Information
> Society - ACSIS
>  
> NB: To subscribe to the aisi-l@lyris.bellanet.org
> for the consultation
> Contact atemtime@uneca.org or nne75@yahoo.com 
> 
> -----
> Chers tous,
> 
> Par ce message, nous voudrions vous inviter à
> participer à un débat
> électronique de la société civile africaine,
> organisé dans le cadre de 
> la préparation de la conférence africaine du SMSI
> qui doit se tenir à 
> Accra à la fin de ce mois. Ce débat a pour objectif
> de conduire à la rédaction  de documents de
> propositions sur les divers enjeux en discussion.
> 
> La discussion couvrira trois sujets principaux :
> - Les priorités en matière de politiques des TIC
> pour l’Afrique
> - Les mécanismes de financement des TIC pour le
> développement
> - La gouvernance de l’Internet
> 
> Le débat aura lieu durant les trois prochaines
> semaines. Il débutera ce 5
> janvier et prendra fin le 26 janvier. Une synthèse
> hebdomadaire sera
> réalisée et diffusée sur chaque thème.
> 
> Un rapport final sera présenté à Accra au cours
> d’une rencontre 
> précédant la conférence régionale que la société
> civile organise. Cette rencontre aura lieu le 28
> janvier. Le programme sera diffusé bientôt.
> 
> La discussion aura lieu en français et en anglais.
> Des traductions
> hebdomadaires seront réalisées.
> 
> Les résultats constitueront la base de la
> contribution de la société
> civile africaine lors des manifestations officielles
> (ateliers et 
> autres) organisées pendant la conférence
> préparatoire d’Accra.
> 
> Nous espérons que vous participerez activement à ce
> débat.
> 
> Salutations cordiales.
> 
> La Société Civile Africaine pour la Société de
> l'Information : SCASI
>  
>  
> NB: Inscrivez-vous pour la consultation à la liste
> aisi-l@lyris.bellanet.org
> Contacter: atemtime@uneca.org ou nne75@yahoo.com 
> 
> 
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  5 15:33:41 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] determining which part of Prepcom 2 to attend
In-Reply-To: <E1ClonJ-0001eO-00@clever.eusc.inter.net>
Message-ID: <20050105153341.88320.qmail@web60705.mail.yahoo.com>

Renata, Karen and all,
Happy new year,
can you please support us in checking if BPEM is welle
regetered as participant to the PRECOM II
Is our Civil Society Working Group on Finance
registered automatiquely or must we  complete all
procedures ?
Is there any faicities to support some members of the
WG coming from the South.

--- Renata Bloem <rbloem@ngocongo.org> wrote:

> Hi Andy, Ralph and all
> 
>  
> 
> According to informal contacts with the Secretariat
> a very preliminary time
> table for PC2 looks as follows. It will only be
> finalized by the next
> Government Bureau meeting on 12/13 January. So
> please check constantly also
> for fellowship details, which include the stay for
> the WGIG www.itu/int/wsis
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Provisional time table for WGIG (14-16 Jan.) and
> PrepCom2 (17-25)
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> WGIG                    14 -16 Jan.
> 
> Monday 14 Jan.          
> 
> Morning:                open for (silent) observers,
> mainly reporting
> 
> Afternoon:              closed
> 
> Tuesday 15 Jan          all day open meeting
> 
> Wednesday:              closed meeting
> 
>  
> 
> PrepCom2                17 -25 Jan.
> 
> Thursday 17 Jan
> 
> Morning:                Plenary: adoption of agenda,
> housekeeping and
> reporting (regional and other meetings)
> 
> Afternoon:              General Debate: mainly on
> Financing
> 
> Friday 18 Jan all day   Subcommittee to discuss GFC
> document,
> 
>                         Beginning with Finance
> chapter
> 
> Monday-Wednesday:       Subcommittee continued
> 
> 21-23 Jan               Chapeau, first, second and
> fourth chapter
> 
> Thursday 24 Jan         Preliminary discussion on
> chapter three: IG
> 
> Friday:                 Plenary: Report, dates for
> next PrepCom and an evtl.
> Intersessional meeting and Format of Summit
> 
>                         
> 
>                                     
> 
> A first CS Orientation session will be held on
> Monday (14 Jan) afternoon
> from 14:00 - 19:00 with breakouts for Caucuses and
> WGs
> 
>  
> 
> Wishing you all a very good year
> 
>  
> 
> Renata
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org
> [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On Behalf
> Of Ralf Bendrath
> Sent: mardi, 4. janvier 2005 10:42
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] determining which
> part of Prepcom 2 to attend
> 
>  
> 
> Hi Andy and all,
> 
>  
> 
> and a good new year to everybody!
> 
>  
> 
> Andy Carvin schrieb:
> 
>  > In terms of contributing to CS activities
> (meetings, drafting
> 
> > sessions, etc) does anyone have a sense if it
> would be better for me to 
> 
> > attend the first half of the meeting, the second
> half, or the middle? 
> 
> It probably will depend on your interests. If you
> mainly want to be 
> 
> there for internet governance, then the first week
> with the WGIG 
> 
> consultations might be better. If you come for the
> overall action, then 
> 
> according to my experience the second week is where
> things get hot. It 
> 
> usually takes them some time to warm up and focus on
> the conflicts. As 
> 
> finance will be one of the big issues for PC2, it
> might turn out that 
> 
> meetings in the second week will be held till
> midnight again.
> 
>  
> 
> > Has an agenda been published yet?
> 
> Not yet, but a recent change on the official prepcom
> page includes an 
> 
> announcement of travel fellowships for people from
> LDCs. Deadline is 
> 
> January 21st.
> 
>  
> 
> Ralf <- glad to be there for the full two weeks
> 
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From lists at mraihi.com  Wed Jan  5 16:53:53 2005
From: lists at mraihi.com (Marouen MRAIHI)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS: Online registration available
Message-ID: <002201c4f347$30ada350$6bfaa8c0@MAROUEN>

Online registration for prepcom 2 is available some hours in advance :)

http://www.itu.int/wsis/preparatory2/pc2/index.html

Marouen MRAIHI
http://www.wsisyouth.org
http://www.mraihi.com 



From richardjordan at lycos.com  Wed Jan  5 17:06:37 2005
From: richardjordan at lycos.com (richard jordan)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS: Online registration available
Message-ID: <20050105170637.ED8ED30E7DF@ws7-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

Hi, I already used it -- one problem that may be encountered, I entered the username and the password, the password was rejected twice, but on the third attempt, the screen with our organization's name appeared without doing anything else. From there it's very easy.

Richard Jordan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marouen MRAIHI" <lists@mraihi.com>
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS: Online registration available
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:53:53 +0100

> 
> Online registration for prepcom 2 is available some hours in advance :)
> 
> http://www.itu.int/wsis/preparatory2/pc2/index.html
> 
> Marouen MRAIHI
> http://www.wsisyouth.org
> http://www.mraihi.com
> 
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From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Wed Jan  5 17:24:52 2005
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] FW: WSIS: Invitation and documents for the next GFC meeting (10-11 January)
Message-ID: <E1CmEu6-0007Ol-00@clever.eusc.inter.net>

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From bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de  Wed Jan  5 17:36:14 2005
From: bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] determining which part of Prepcom 2 to attend
In-Reply-To: <20050105153341.88320.qmail@web60705.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050105153341.88320.qmail@web60705.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41DC258E.1080206@zedat.fu-berlin.de>

Djilali,

> Is our Civil Society Working Group on Finance registered
> automatiquely or must we  complete all procedures ?
The Finance WG can not be registered, as it is not a legal entity. This
is the case for all caucuses and WGs.
You must register through a legally established NGO or other institution
that is accredited to the WSIS. Accreditation deadline is 6 January.

To make it clear: Organizations are accredited (for the whole WSIS
process), and then in turn can register their delegates for individual
events.

> Is there any faicities to support some members of the WG coming from
> the South.
There are fellowships for participants from least developed countries.
See http://www.itu.int/wsis/preparatory2/pc2/index.html. Deadline for
applications is 21 Jaunary.

Ralf

From Ramin.Kaweh at unctad.org  Wed Jan  5 16:44:52 2005
From: Ramin.Kaweh at unctad.org (Ramin.Kaweh@unctad.org)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Invitation and documents for the 4. meeting of the GFC (10-11 January)
Message-ID: <OFB81385D2.A3382E35-ON41256F80.005A439B-C1256F80.005BFFDF@unctad.org>

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From rikp at earthlink.net  Wed Jan  5 19:02:48 2005
From: rikp at earthlink.net (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
Message-ID: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>

Dear Friends and Colleagues,

I thought this news would be relevant to folks in the WSIS community 
interested in online transparency and public information.

After years of technical, financial and political hurdles, the United 
Nations "Official Document System" is finally open and free to general 
public.  The ODS the main repository of 800,000+ UN documents dating 
back to its earliest days, from General Assembly resolutions to UN 
agency memoranda, in all six of the UN official languages. This is a 
major coup to those who have worked for years to see this critical 
archive of UN documents made freely and publicly accessible.  
Congratulations to WFM, Global Policy Forum and others who have kept 
the cause alive.

The ODS can be accessed at http://documents.un.org.

 From the website:

> The United Nations Official Document System (ODS) is a system for 
> storing and retrieving United Nations documents that allows users to 
> search for and retrieve documents via high-speed networks and the 
> Internet, and permits high-speed transmission of documents through 
> telecommunications links. They include pre-session, in-session and 
> post-session documentation for meetings of the General Assembly and 
> its subsidiary bodies, the Security Council and its subsidiary bodies, 
> the Economic and Social Council and its subsidiary bodies and the 
> Trusteeship Council, and for global conferences convened by the United 
> Nations as well as for other meetings included in the Calendar of 
> Conferences and Meetings authorized by the General Assembly. The 
> documents and official records are stored in?the official languages of 
> the United Nations: Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Russian and 
> Spanish.?

I encourage you to get the word out to your own networks about this 
important resource.

Regards to all and Happy Transparent and Accessible New Year.

Rik Panganiban

-----------------------------------------------------------

Apres des annees de travail, le Syst?me de diffusion ?lectronique des 
documents de l?Organisation des Nations Unies (S?doc) est disponible au 
public general a http://documents.un.org.  De la site web:

> Le Syst?me de diffusion ?lectronique des documents de l?Organisation 
> des Nations Unies (S?doc) est un syst?me d?archivage et de diffusion 
> de la documentation, qui autorise la recherche et la r?cup?ration ? 
> distance des documents par le biais de r?seaux ultrarapides et de 
> l?Internet. Il permet en outre le transfert des documents par des 
> lignes de t?l?communications ? haut d?bit. . Ils comprennent les 
> documents publi?s avant, pendant et apr?s les sessions ou r?unions de 
> l?Assembl?e g?n?rale et de ses organes subsidiaires, du Conseil de 
> s?curit? et de ses organes subsidiaires, du Conseil ?conomique et 
> social et de ses organes subsidiaires et du Conseil de tutelle, ainsi 
> que les documents publi?s pour les conf?rences mondiales organis?es 
> sous l??gide des Nations Unies et autres r?unions pr?vues dans le 
> calendrier des conf?rences et r?unions approuv? par l?Assembl?e 
> g?n?rale. Les documents de conf?rence et documents officiels sont 
> archiv?s dans les langues officielles de l?Organisation?: anglais, 
> arabe, chinois, espagnol, fran?ais et russe.

-----------------------------------------------------------

Despues de muchos a?os de trabajo, el Sistema de Archivo de Documentos 
de las Naciones Unidas (SAD) es completemente abierto al publico 
general a http://documents.un.org.  Por el sitio web:

> El Sistema de Archivo de Documentos de las Naciones Unidas (SAD) es un 
> sistema para almacenar y recuperar documentos de las Naciones Unidas 
> que permite a los usuarios buscar y recuperar documentos a trav?s de 
> redes de alta velocidad y la Internet y tambi?n transmitir documentos 
> a alta velocidad a trav?s de enlaces de telecomunicaciones. Se 
> incluyen los documentos anteriores al per?odo de sesiones, de sesi?n y 
> posteriores al per?odo de sesiones de la Asamblea General y de sus 
> organismos subsidiarios, del Consejo de Seguridad y sus organismos 
> subsidiarios, del Consejo Econ?mico y Social y sus ?rganos 
> subsidiarios y del Consejo de Administraci?n Fiduciaria, as? como de 
> las conferencias mundiales convocadas por las Naciones Unidas y de 
> otras reuniones incluidas en el calendario de conferencias y reuniones 
> autorizadas por la Asamblea General. Los documentos y registros 
> oficiales se almacenan en los idiomas oficiales de las Naciones 
> Unidas: ?rabe, chino, espa?ol, franc?s, ingl?s y ruso.


===============================================
RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations 
(CONGO)
web: http://www.ngocongo.org
email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524

** Please note CONGO's new mailing address: CP 50, 1211 Gen?ve 20, 
Switzerland.? Our physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 1st 
Floor, 1202 Gen?ve, Switzerland. **
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From ca at rits.org.br  Wed Jan  5 19:27:28 2005
From: ca at rits.org.br (Carlos Afonso)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Liberation/Francia: l'accord Microsoft-UNESCO
 - English translation
In-Reply-To: <003c01c4f334$e388d160$0100a8c0@Laptop>
References: <003c01c4f334$e388d160$0100a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <41DC3FA0.2070406@rits.org.br>

Unesco remains totally silent regarding critiques or requests for 
clarification on this agreement. By the way, UNDP and IDRC have signed 
similar agreements with M$. Ah, the power of money...

--c.a.

Rui Correia wrote:

>Dear All
>
>Herewith a rushed translation of the French text found in the link provided
>by Martin Oliveira to the French newspaper in which it was published today.
>The translation was fed through translation software and then polished up
>where necessary for comprehension - it is far form being a perfect product;
>it was done only in the interest of sharing this article. The names of the
>authors and their affiliation appear at bottom
>
>Regards, Rui
>___________________________________________________________________________
>Liberation newspaper, Paris - 5/1/2005
>
>On November 17, Bill Gates, on a trip to Paris, returned visit to the head
>office of UNESCO to sign an agreement of partnership with the organization.
>The agreement defines eight objectives for which UNESCO and Microsoft
>[...]
>

> 
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Carlos Afonso
>diretor de planejamento
>Rede de Informa??es para o Terceiro Setor - Rits
>Rua Guilhermina Guinle, 272, 6? andar - Botafogo
>Rio de Janeiro RJ - Brasil         CEP 22270-060
>tel +55-21-2527-5494        fax +55-21-2527-5460
>ca@rits.org.br            http://www.rits.org.br
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  
>


-- 
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From veni at veni.com  Wed Jan  5 19:45:33 2005
From: veni at veni.com (veni markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Liberation/Francia: l'accord
  Microsoft-UNESCO - English translation
In-Reply-To: <41DC3FA0.2070406@rits.org.br>
References: <003c01c4f334$e388d160$0100a8c0@Laptop>
 <41DC3FA0.2070406@rits.org.br>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050105214508.034918f8@198.111.183.129>

At 17:27 05-01-2005 -0200, Carlos Afonso wrote:
>Unesco remains totally silent regarding critiques or requests for 
>clarification on this agreement. By the way, UNDP and IDRC have signed 
>similar agreements with M$. Ah, the power of money...

btw, UNDP also is having projects on Free and Open Source Software - see 
http://www.foss.bg

best,
veni 


From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Wed Jan  5 20:42:56 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Liberation/Francia: l'accord
 Microsoft-UNESCO  - English translation
In-Reply-To: <41DC3FA0.2070406@rits.org.br>
References: <003c01c4f334$e388d160$0100a8c0@Laptop>
 <41DC3FA0.2070406@rits.org.br>
Message-ID: <p0620070cbe0200743824@[192.168.1.251]>

UNDP signed the agreement at the WSIS summit - and wasn't caught by 
many until months after. That we are reacting quicker to the UNESCO 
development is good, but too late?

In regards to IDRC, do we know if any other "agreements" have been 
signed between M$ and other development agencies? If so, it would be 
an - expected -  political move by M$ to stop the success of open 
source software deployment.

regards

Robert


At 5:27 PM -0200 1/5/05, Carlos Afonso wrote:
>Unesco remains totally silent regarding critiques or requests for 
>clarification on this agreement. By the way, UNDP and IDRC have 
>signed similar agreements with M$. Ah, the power of money...
>
>--c.a.

-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar  Wed Jan  5 22:15:33 2005
From: martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar (Martin Olivera)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Liberation/Francia: l'accord Microsoft-UNESCO  - English translation
In-Reply-To: <p0620070cbe0200743824@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <20050105221533.53858.qmail@web52306.mail.yahoo.com>

 --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@lists.privaterra.org>
escribi?: 
> UNDP signed the agreement at the WSIS summit - and
> wasn't caught by 
> many until months after. That we are reacting
> quicker to the UNESCO 
> development is good, but too late?
> 
> In regards to IDRC, do we know if any other
> "agreements" have been 
> signed between M$ and other development agencies? If
> so, it would be 
> an - expected -  political move by M$ to stop the
> success of open 
> source software deployment.

Of course it is so, MS was/is signing very similar
agreements with Education Ministries of countries all
around the globe. The MS move in spanish is called
"Alianza por la Educacion"[1] what it really is a
Trojan Horse against technological independence and
local development of those countries. M$-UNESCO
agreement is a logical step on the same path.

They offer Windows upgrades at no cost (so you have to
have acquired previous licenses) and free training on
their products for the teachers (<ironic>WOW, what a
good fellows! they teach the teachers how to use their
products and how to spread this "knowledge" to the
pupils!</ironic> creating more and more future
depending clients... this is called "Partners in
learning" program[2]


It is terrific that Education Ministries allow that a
company define the educational content and curricula,
but the things are so... how would we react as CS? 
The only way I know is becaming people more conciuoss.
Please spread the issue!

> 
> 
> At 5:27 PM -0200 1/5/05, Carlos Afonso wrote:
> >Unesco remains totally silent regarding critiques
> or requests for 
> >clarification on this agreement. By the way, UNDP
> and IDRC have 
> >signed similar agreements with M$. Ah, the power of
> money...

Could not we, as WSIS-CS ask oficially UNDP and UNESCO
about their agreements with MS? I hope it may be
answered at least...

[1]
http://www.microsoft.com/latam/educacion/alianzaporlaeducacion/
Latinoamerica:  Argentina - Brasil - Chile - Colombia
- Costa Rica - Rep?blica Dominicana - Ecuador - El
Salvador - Guatemala - Honduras - Jamaica - M?xico -
Panam? - Per? - Puerto Rico - Uruguay - Venezuela

[2]
http://www.microsoft.com/Education/PartnersinLearning.aspx
	
Africa/middle east: Angola ? Bahrain ? Egypt ? Ghana ?
Iraq  ? Israel ? Jordan ? Kenya ? Kuwait ? Latvia ?
Lebanon ? Madagascar ? Morocco ? Mozambique ? Namibia
? Pakistan ? Rwanda ? Saudi Arabia ? South Africa ?	
Turkey ? Yemen
	
South America: Argentina ? Brazil ? Chile ? Colombia ?
 Ecuador ? Peru ? Uruguay ? Venezuela

Asia/south pacific: Australia ? China ? Hong Kong ?	
India ? Japan ? Malaysia ? Philippines ? Singapore ?	
Thailand

North/Central America: Canada ? Costa Rica ? Dominican
Republic ? El Salvador ? Guatemala ? Honduras ? 
Jamaica ? Mexico ? Panama ? Puerto Rico ? United
States

Europe: Austria ? Belgium ? Bulgaria ? Croatia ?	
Czech Republic ? Denmark ? Estonia ? Finland ? France
?	 Germany ? Greece ? Hungary ? Iceland ? Ireland ?	
Italy ? Latvia ? Lithuania ? Malta ? Netherlands ?
Norway ?	Poland ? Portugal ? Romania ? Russia ? Serbia
and Montenegro ? Slovakia ? Spain ? Sweden ?
Switzerland ? 	Turkey ? United Kingdom ? Ukraine


Mart?n Olivera 


=====
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http://www.solar.org.ar


	

	
		
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From lists at mraihi.com  Wed Jan  5 23:01:47 2005
From: lists at mraihi.com (lists@mraihi.com)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Liberation/Francia: l'accord 
     Microsoft-UNESCO  - English translation
In-Reply-To: <p0620070cbe0200743824@[192.168.1.251]>
References: <003c01c4f334$e388d160$0100a8c0@Laptop>
    <41DC3FA0.2070406@rits.org.br>
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From ecarll at optonline.net  Thu Jan  6 00:44:02 2005
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCOEAEIHAA.ecarll@optonline.net>

Rik,

This will be a great "historical" resource.

Elizabeth

Dr. Elizabeth Carll
Focal Point to WSIS
International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
Chair Media/ICT Working Group,
NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York
Tel: 1-631-754-2424
Fax: 1-631-754-5032
ecarll@optonline.net

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On Behalf
Of Rik Panganiban
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 2:03 PM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online


Dear Friends and Colleagues,

I thought this news would be relevant to folks in the WSIS community
interested in online transparency and public information.

After years of technical, financial and political hurdles, the United
Nations "Official Document System" is finally open and free to general
public. The ODS the main repository of 800,000+ UN documents dating back to
its earliest days, from General Assembly resolutions to UN agency memoranda,
in all six of the UN official languages. This is a major coup to those who
have worked for years to see this critical archive of UN documents made
freely and publicly accessible. Congratulations to WFM, Global Policy Forum
and others who have kept the cause alive.

The ODS can be accessed at http://documents.un.org.

>From the website:


The United Nations Official Document System (ODS) is a system for storing
and retrieving United Nations documents that allows users to search for and
retrieve documents via high-speed networks and the Internet, and permits
high-speed transmission of documents through telecommunications links. They
include pre-session, in-session and post-session documentation for meetings
of the General Assembly and its subsidiary bodies, the Security Council and
its subsidiary bodies, the Economic and Social Council and its subsidiary
bodies and the Trusteeship Council, and for global conferences convened by
the United Nations as well as for other meetings included in the Calendar of
Conferences and Meetings authorized by the General Assembly. The documents
and official records are stored in the official languages of the United
Nations: Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Russian and Spanish.


I encourage you to get the word out to your own networks about this
important resource.

Regards to all and Happy Transparent and Accessible New Year.

Rik Panganiban

-----------------------------------------------------------

Apres des annees de travail, le Syst?me de diffusion ?lectronique des
documents de l?Organisation des Nations Unies (S?doc) est disponible au
public general a http://documents.un.org. De la site web:


Le Syst?me de diffusion ?lectronique des documents de l?Organisation des
Nations Unies (S?doc) est un syst?me d?archivage et de diffusion de la
documentation, qui autorise la recherche et la r?cup?ration ? distance des
documents par le biais de r?seaux ultrarapides et de l?Internet. Il permet
en outre le transfert des documents par des lignes de t?l?communications ?
haut d?bit. . Ils comprennent les documents publi?s avant, pendant et apr?s
les sessions ou r?unions de l?Assembl?e g?n?rale et de ses organes
subsidiaires, du Conseil de s?curit? et de ses organes subsidiaires, du
Conseil ?conomique et social et de ses organes subsidiaires et du Conseil de
tutelle, ainsi que les documents publi?s pour les conf?rences mondiales
organis?es sous l??gide des Nations Unies et autres r?unions pr?vues dans le
calendrier des conf?rences et r?unions approuv? par l?Assembl?e g?n?rale.
Les documents de conf?rence et documents officiels sont archiv?s dans les
langues officielles de l?Organisation : anglais, arabe, chinois, espagnol,
fran?ais et russe.


-----------------------------------------------------------

Despues de muchos a?os de trabajo, el Sistema de Archivo de Documentos de
las Naciones Unidas (SAD) es completemente abierto al publico general a
http://documents.un.org. Por el sitio web:


El Sistema de Archivo de Documentos de las Naciones Unidas (SAD) es un
sistema para almacenar y recuperar documentos de las Naciones Unidas que
permite a los usuarios buscar y recuperar documentos a trav?s de redes de
alta velocidad y la Internet y tambi?n transmitir documentos a alta
velocidad a trav?s de enlaces de telecomunicaciones. Se incluyen los
documentos anteriores al per?odo de sesiones, de sesi?n y posteriores al
per?odo de sesiones de la Asamblea General y de sus organismos subsidiarios,
del Consejo de Seguridad y sus organismos subsidiarios, del Consejo
Econ?mico y Social y sus ?rganos subsidiarios y del Consejo de
Administraci?n Fiduciaria, as? como de las conferencias mundiales convocadas
por las Naciones Unidas y de otras reuniones incluidas en el calendario de
conferencias y reuniones autorizadas por la Asamblea General. Los documentos
y registros oficiales se almacenan en los idiomas oficiales de las Naciones
Unidas: ?rabe, chino, espa?ol, franc?s, ingl?s y ruso.



===============================================
RIK PANGANIBAN Communications Coordinator
Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations
(CONGO)
web: http://www.ngocongo.org
email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524

** Please note CONGO's new mailing address: CP 50, 1211 Gen?ve 20,
Switzerland.  Our physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 1st
Floor, 1202 Gen?ve, Switzerland. **



From muguet at mdpi.org  Thu Jan  6 00:52:16 2005
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary]  Microsoft-UNESCO - agreement / accord 
In-Reply-To: <41DC3FA0.2070406@rits.org.br>
References: <003c01c4f334$e388d160$0100a8c0@Laptop> <41DC3FA0.2070406@rits.org.br>
Message-ID: <41DC8BC0.4070004@mdpi.org>

English/French

Hello

This agreement is already under discussion in the PCT and Finance groups

I went to the Press Conference at UNESCO.
Be re-assured, the welcome to Bill Gates was not triumphal,
and the Press was unamimously negative.
The text of the Microsoft/ UNESCO agreement which I
was able to retrieve at UNESCO and that was kindly
scanned by Marie-Laure from http://www.bpem.org 
is available on site.
http://www.wsis-finance.org/gov-doc-en.html
it is also available at
http://www.wsis-pct.org/unesco-miscrosoft.html

The authorized translation of the article in English is

http://www.april.org/articles/divers/tribune-microsoft-unesco-liberation.html.en

( thanks to Fred?ric Couchet , one of the authors who belongs to the PCT 
group )

> Unesco remains totally silent regarding critiques or requests for 
> clarification on this agreement.

Our request that the text of the agreement be available online had no 
effect.
Replies were evasive.
It would have been better than our scanned images.

We believe that the agreement has some legal flaws that might allow the 
Civil
Society to ask the WSIS to demand that the texts of the agreement be
modified.   This is under study, and all people with a legal background
are asked to join the PCT and the Finance groups to discuss further those
points.

> By the way, UNDP and IDRC have signed similar agreements with M$. Ah, 
> the power of money...
>
If you have the texts or URLs  of those agreement, please let us know.

Best regards

Francis

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fran?ais

Bonjour

J'ai assist? ? la conf?rence de Presse de l'UNESCO.
Rassurez vous !  l'accueil pour Bill Gates ne fut pas triomphal,
et la presse fut tr?s critique.
 Le texte de l'accord Microsoft/ UNESCO
( uniquement en Anglais ) que j'ai recup?r? ? l'UNESCO
et qui a ?t? gentiment scann? par Marie-Laure chez
http://www.bpem.org est disponible sur le site.
http://www.wsis-finance.org/gov-doc-en.html

et aussi sur
http://www.wsis-pct.org/unesco-miscrosoft.html

Notre requ?te que le texte de l'accord soit en mis en ligne
et qu'il soit aussi traduit en Fran?ais n'a pas ?t? fructueuse.
Bravo pour la transparence et la diversit? linguistique !

Le texte de l' accord poss?de des failles juridiques qui devraient
permettre ? la Soci?t? Civile de demander au SMSI d'exiger
de l'UNESCO de modifier le texte de cet accord.
Ceci est ? l'?tude. Toute personne poss?dant un bagage
juridique est invit?e ? joindre les groupes PCT et Finance
pour une discussion plus approfondie.

Cordialement

Francis

> --c.a.
>
> Rui Correia wrote:
>
>> Dear All
>>
>> Herewith a rushed translation of the French text found in the link 
>> provided
>> by Martin Oliveira to the French newspaper in which it was published 
>> today.
>> The translation was fed through translation software and then 
>> polished up
>> where necessary for comprehension - it is far form being a perfect 
>> product;
>> it was done only in the interest of sharing this article. The names 
>> of the
>> authors and their affiliation appear at bottom
>>
>> Regards, Rui
>> ___________________________________________________________________________ 
>>
>> Liberation newspaper, Paris - 5/1/2005
>>
>> On November 17, Bill Gates, on a trip to Paris, returned visit to the 
>> head
>> office of UNESCO to sign an agreement of partnership with the 
>> organization.
>> The agreement defines eight objectives for which UNESCO and Microsoft
>> [...]
>>
>
>>
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Carlos Afonso
>> diretor de planejamento
>> Rede de Informa??es para o Terceiro Setor - Rits
>> Rua Guilhermina Guinle, 272, 6? andar - Botafogo
>> Rio de Janeiro RJ - Brasil         CEP 22270-060
>> tel +55-21-2527-5494        fax +55-21-2527-5460
>> ca@rits.org.br            http://www.rits.org.br
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>  
>>
>
>


-- 

------------------------------------------------------ 
Francis F. MUGUET Ph.D 

MDPI Foundation Open Access Journals
Associate Publisher
http://www.mdpi.org   http://www.mdpi.net
muguet@mdpi.org       muguet@mdpi.net

ENSTA   Paris, France
KNIS lab.  Director 
"Knowledge Networks & Information Society" (KNIS)
muguet@ensta.fr   http://www.ensta.fr/~muguet

World Summit On the Information Society (WSIS)
Civil Society Working Groups
Scientific Information :  http://www.wsis-si.org  chair
Patents & Copyrights   :  http://www.wsis-pct.org co-chair
Financing Mechanismns  :  http://www.wsis-finance.org web

UNMSP project : http://www.unmsp.org
WTIS initiative: http://www.wtis.org
------------------------------------------------------ 


From veni at veni.com  Thu Jan  6 03:10:34 2005
From: veni at veni.com (veni markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Liberation/Francia: l'accord
  Microsoft-UNESCO  - English translation
In-Reply-To: <p0620070cbe0200743824@[192.168.1.251]>
References: <003c01c4f334$e388d160$0100a8c0@Laptop>
 <41DC3FA0.2070406@rits.org.br>
 <p0620070cbe0200743824@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050106050750.03ab2788@198.111.183.129>

At 15:42 05-01-2005 -0500, Robert Guerra wrote:
>UNDP signed the agreement at the WSIS summit - and wasn't caught by many 
>until months after. That we are reacting quicker to the UNESCO development 
>is good, but too late?

Actually it was caught the very day of the meeting, back in December 2003. 
By the IHT and the New York Times. It's interesting the announcement was 
made exactly when Microsoft was under attack:)



Open-source software gets boost at UN
by Jennifer L. Schenker IHT

http://www.iht.com/articles/121033.html


Geneva
A months-long backroom battle led by Brazil, with support from India, South 
Africa and China, against the United States over open-source software took 
center stage Wednesday at the UN information summit meeting here.

Samuel Guimar es, executive secretary in Brazil's foreign ministry, told 
government representatives at the summit meeting's opening sessions that 
free-to-share software is crucial for the developing world because it 
enables poorer countries to develop their own technology instead of having 
to import it.

That message put the maneuvering for open-source software business at the 
highest levels of global policy, with proponents and critics both 
struggling for the endorsement of intra-governmental agencies such as the UN.

Brazil wanted the summit talks to endorse the idea that the digital divide 
cannot be bridged with proprietary software and that open-source software, 
which is developed collaboratively and exchanged freely over the Internet, 
is the best path forward.

The language was watered down considerably in the summit meeting's written 
declaration after pressure from developed countries, according to 
participants, but the free software did get a mention as an important 
option for developing countries to consider.

"Companies that sell proprietary software are going to have to accept that 
there is competition and that is good for developing countries because it 
leads to affordable pricing and increased access," said Raoul Zambrano, a 
UN adviser on information and communication technologies, in an interview.

The information and communications technology arm of the UN Development 
Program is currently advising governments that ask on how to use open 
source as a tool to build local skills. But Zambrano said the UNDP is 
cautioning them not to mandate open source for their governments because 
that creates another type of monopoly. The goal, he said, is to create 
choice and competition.

The UNDP plans to announce that it will open a regional center in Europe to 
help governments in the Balkans and Baltics move to open-source software.

The debate over commercial software such as Microsoft's dominant operating 
system, Windows, and collaborative software has become a rich versus poor 
argument at the UN meeting, which is trying to address how to close the 
digital divide.

Veni Markovski, head of the Bulgarian president's information technology 
advisory council and head of the local branch of the Internet Society, said 
he had approached the UNDP to get help for his country and was motivated to 
do so because he was shocked by the outcome of several government contracts 
involving Microsoft products.

In the first case, the government spent $13.6 million on Microsoft's 
Windows XP products in 2002. He claimed that it was later discovered that 
the government paid twice the list price for the software, which was 
purchased through a Microsoft retailer.

A Microsoft spokeswoman and another member of the Bulgarian delegation at 
the UN talks, Roman Trifonov, denied that the government had overpaid for 
the software,

Another contract, involving a contract for an e-government portal on the 
Internet, which would allow citizens to access government services online, 
required citizens to use Windows XP or Windows 2000 and to use Internet 
Explorer as their browser, Markovski said.

Trifonov, an adviser to the minister of state administration, countered 
that any computer user with certain system tools could access the portal.

A third contract, for $1.5 million, was for 35,000 software licenses for 
schools, but Markovski maintains that there are no more than 850 computers 
in schools that could run the software.

A Microsoft spokeswoman said the contract was jointly issued by the 
Ministry of Education and the Ministry of Science and that it covers up to 
15,000 computers for public schools, with the rest being used by 
universities and the Academy of Science.

"I am convinced that the end result of the influence that Microsoft has on 
the government here is that the end user, the citizen, doesn't have a 
choice and the government doesn't have a choice," Markovski said.

Microsoft confirmed Wednesday that it was in talks with the UNDP about "how 
to leverage each others' competencies." The software giant, which has said 
it will invest $1 billion on helping to bridge the digital divide, said 
that it did not require its software be used when the company participates 
in such a project. "People at the end of the day have the right to choose 
and we support that," the spokeswoman said. "It is a tough call for a lot 
of agencies and groups when Microsoft offers to give away software to 
schools and governments," said Peter Dravis, an independent consultant who 
wrote a report about open-source software for the World Bank. But he said 
there was strong bottom-up demand for open-source software, so even a 
handful of Microsoft deals with governments would not ensure market dominance.

International Herald Tribune



>In regards to IDRC, do we know if any other "agreements" have been signed 
>between M$ and other development agencies? If so, it would be an - 
>expected -  political move by M$ to stop the success of open source 
>software deployment.
>
>regards
>
>Robert
>
>
>At 5:27 PM -0200 1/5/05, Carlos Afonso wrote:
>>Unesco remains totally silent regarding critiques or requests for 
>>clarification on this agreement. By the way, UNDP and IDRC have signed 
>>similar agreements with M$. Ah, the power of money...
>>
>>--c.a.
>
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From greve at fsfeurope.org  Thu Jan  6 09:19:03 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> (Rik
	Panganiban's message of "Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:02:48 -0500")
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>

 || On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:02:48 -0500
 || Rik Panganiban <rikp@earthlink.net> wrote: 

 rp> I thought this news would be relevant to folks in the WSIS
 rp> community interested in online transparency and public
 rp> information. [...]
 rp> The ODS can be accessed at http://documents.un.org.
 rp> [...]
 rp> I encourage you to get the word out to your own networks about this
 rp> important resource.

 rp> Regards to all and Happy Transparent and Accessible New Year.

I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the documents,
others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on Windows
and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft and is
using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.

Could someone else please confirm whether this effect also exists for
them or whether this is some odd freak-incident that I have been
seeing?

Regards,
Georg

-- 
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From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Thu Jan  6 10:00:21 2005
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
 <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
Message-ID: <p06110437be02b6096e94@[192.168.1.254]>

On Mac using various browsers I can search but cannot access 
documents.  Does seem to be javascript.

Welcome page says:

"The ODS is a multilingual system. Therefore, it requires 
UNICODE-based Internet browsers, such as MS Internet Explorer 5.5, 
Netscape 6.21 or higher versions. For access to the ODS, please 
ensure that your Internet browser complies with this requirement."

I try to use Safari and Firefox.

Adam


At 10:19 AM +0100 1/6/05, Georg C. F. Greve wrote:
>  || On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:02:48 -0500
>  || Rik Panganiban <rikp@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>  rp> I thought this news would be relevant to folks in the WSIS
>  rp> community interested in online transparency and public
>  rp> information. [...]
>  rp> The ODS can be accessed at http://documents.un.org.
>  rp> [...]
>  rp> I encourage you to get the word out to your own networks about this
>  rp> important resource.
>
>  rp> Regards to all and Happy Transparent and Accessible New Year.
>
>I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the documents,
>others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on Windows
>and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft and is
>using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
>
>Could someone else please confirm whether this effect also exists for
>them or whether this is some odd freak-incident that I have been
>seeing?
>
>Regards,
>Georg
>
>--
>Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
>Free Software Foundation Europe	                 (http://fsfeurope.org)
>GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
>Brave GNU World	                           (http://brave-gnu-world.org)
>
>Attachment converted: MacOS X:Untitled 2 (    /    ) (001B4DF2)


From herve at info.unicaen.fr  Thu Jan  6 10:14:12 2005
From: herve at info.unicaen.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Herv=E9_Le_Crosnier?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document system, and lessons for information diffusion
In-Reply-To: <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
Message-ID: <41DD0F74.10405@info.unicaen.fr>

Georg C. F. Greve a ?crit :
>  rp> The ODS can be accessed at http://documents.un.org.

> I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the documents,
> others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on Windows
> and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft and is
> using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
> 
> Could someone else please confirm whether this effect also exists for
> them or whether this is some odd freak-incident that I have been
> seeing?


	Hello,

	I've also try the UN doc system.

	To me it don't work either...

	This answer is not a technical one
	(though i give technical advice), but rather
	a short insight on the way we have to deal
	with information in the information society.


	The UN site seems intersting... but what a poor realisation.
	Ugly style... and more : it don't work.

	Why ?

	Why do they use such a complicated system only to
	return back the id of the document we need ?
	At the end of this mail is the javascript code they use...
	it's not useful, but i think it will work with my Mozilla
	on Linux... So the problem is not that one.

	Where's the problem... that's a good question. Not only
	a geek one. What are the criterions such a rich and
	powerful body as UN use to assess an information system ?

	It works on the developer computer, so it have to work
	for everyone ?

	So many times international recognized standards are not in
	use... and more, standard of practice and programming skills
	are not used by developpers of international and wide-world
	information systems.

	It's a long way to have head of administrative
	structures to survey their own systems, and to be sure
	they work for anyone (from the visually-impaired to the users
	of others systems). They don't have the skills... OK,
	that's not their job. But they have to hire good analysts,
	to provide system-control check lists, have independant
	watchers (never ask the developper to test his own system...).

	That's really "information society". As we go to give more and
	more power to system wide coders, we have to define new
	skills and practices for assessing those systems. And that's a
	new kind of "governance", and may be of "government".

	Free software, as it give the ability to learn and share
	skills, and the capacity for any nation to develop it's
	own computer science economy, are a good tool for this
	new conception of responsability of public providers of
	information to ensure that any users can get access and
	have satisfaction with the systems they propose to the public.

Herv? Le Crosnier

PS : here is the javascript code... the problem is not there, but
	merely in the retunr asp programm...

	My two cents technical advice :
	Give away Front page, use any front-end
	to the UN database, publish the API to
	access the database (or any other data
	collected system to use)... and in a minute
	tens of programmers will add access to the
	UN documents in their own systems !!!

	Freeing the public national or international
	documents is not a question of publishing them,
	but of organising the acccess for any "publisher"
	(private or cooperative, or even other national
	or international bodies) to integrate those documents
	in their services.

	Look at the way commercial systems as Amazon
	offer that kind of API, and the massive use
	all over very different kind of web prducers.

	Look at the success of RSS,...

	Yes building information societies is also a
	problem of opening access to digital documents.
	And we need to teach those who are in charge of
	deciding that it's not a "technical" problem they
	have to give to a technical staff, but it's also
	a political problem they have to deal with.

	"Code is Law" as say Larry Lessig.

--------------------------------------
<script language="javascript">
function Perform(action_name) {
	var form = document.forms[0];
	form.lastevent.value=action_name;
	form.submit();
	return true;
}

function ViewDoc(index) {
	var form = document.forms[0];
	form.doc2view.value=index;
	form.submit();
	return Perform("results.view");
}

function Perform1(language){
	var form = document.forms[0];
	form.langchoice.value=language;
	form.submit();
	return Perform('results.lang');
}
</script>



	

From lists at mraihi.com  Thu Jan  6 10:53:06 2005
From: lists at mraihi.com (Marouen MRAIHI)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <p06110437be02b6096e94@[192.168.1.254]>
Message-ID: <025801c4f3dd$eea2b8a0$6bfaa8c0@MAROUEN>

Same here using Opera and Firefox
The problem is that all the website is not a valid XHTML document. If UN is
not respecting IT standards who should do it :-) ?

Marouen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Peake" <ajp@glocom.ac.jp>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online


> On Mac using various browsers I can search but cannot access
> documents.  Does seem to be javascript.
>
> Welcome page says:
>
> "The ODS is a multilingual system. Therefore, it requires
> UNICODE-based Internet browsers, such as MS Internet Explorer 5.5,
> Netscape 6.21 or higher versions. For access to the ODS, please
> ensure that your Internet browser complies with this requirement."
>
> I try to use Safari and Firefox.
>
> Adam
>
>
> At 10:19 AM +0100 1/6/05, Georg C. F. Greve wrote:
> >  || On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:02:48 -0500
> >  || Rik Panganiban <rikp@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >  rp> I thought this news would be relevant to folks in the WSIS
> >  rp> community interested in online transparency and public
> >  rp> information. [...]
> >  rp> The ODS can be accessed at http://documents.un.org.
> >  rp> [...]
> >  rp> I encourage you to get the word out to your own networks about this
> >  rp> important resource.
> >
> >  rp> Regards to all and Happy Transparent and Accessible New Year.
> >
> >I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the documents,
> >others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on Windows
> >and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft and is
> >using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
> >
> >Could someone else please confirm whether this effect also exists for
> >them or whether this is some odd freak-incident that I have been
> >seeing?
> >
> >Regards,
> >Georg
> >
> >--
> >Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
> >Free Software Foundation Europe                  (http://fsfeurope.org)
> >GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
> >Brave GNU World                            (http://brave-gnu-world.org)
> >
> >Attachment converted: MacOS X:Untitled 2 (    /    ) (001B4DF2)
>
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From r_correia at telkomsa.net  Thu Jan  6 10:36:31 2005
From: r_correia at telkomsa.net (Rui Correia)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Resolution 56/183 - new link
Message-ID: <001701c4f3db$99ff4f90$0100a8c0@Laptop>

Dear All

For those who attempted to access UN resolution 56/183 on the World Summit
on the Information Society on the WSIS site, please note that the correct
link is
http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/background/resolutions/56_183_unga_2002.pdf 

Thanks Juan Luis Castro

Cher(e)s Ami(e)s

Pour eux entre vous qui ont essaye de trouver la Resolution de les NU 56/183
(en Anglais) sur le Sommet Mondial sur la Soci?t? de l'Information ? la site
de la SMSI, soient infrom?s que le lien correct est le
http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/background/resolutions/56_183_unga_2002.pdf

Merci a Juan Luis Castro

Caros Colegas

A aqueles que tentaram abrir a pagina do texto (em ingles) da Resolu??o das
NU 56/183 sobre a Cimeira/ C?pula Mundial sobre a Sociedade da Informa??o,
gostaria de informar que a ligacao directa ?
http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/background/resolutions/56_183_unga_2002.pdf 

Obrigado a Jan Luis Castro

Caros Colegas

Por vosotros que han tentado bajar la pagina con el texto (en Ingles) de la
resolucion de las NU 56/183 sobre la Cumbre Mundial sobre la Sociedad de la
Informaci?n, nel sitio de la CMSI, sean informados que la pueden encontrar
siguiendo el enlace
http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/background/resolutions/56_183_unga_2002.pdf

Gracias, Juan Luis Castro

Rui Correia
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From freenet002 at scarlet.be  Thu Jan  6 10:50:24 2005
From: freenet002 at scarlet.be (Jan Servaes)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document system, and lessons for information diffusion
In-Reply-To: <41DD0F74.10405@info.unicaen.fr>
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41DD0F74.10405@info.unicaen.fr>
Message-ID: <C4E974FC-5FD0-11D9-B5EB-000A958863E2@scarlet.be>

I had the same problem.
It is Microsoft-only ;))

Best

Jan Servaes


On 06/01/2005, at 8:14 PM, Herv? Le Crosnier wrote:

> Georg C. F. Greve a ?crit :
>>  rp> The ODS can be accessed at http://documents.un.org.
>
>> I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the documents,
>> others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on Windows
>> and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft and is
>> using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
>> Could someone else please confirm whether this effect also exists for
>> them or whether this is some odd freak-incident that I have been
>> seeing?
>
>
> 	Hello,
>
> 	I've also try the UN doc system.
>
> 	To me it don't work either...
>
> 	This answer is not a technical one
> 	(though i give technical advice), but rather
> 	a short insight on the way we have to deal
> 	with information in the information society.
>
>
> 	The UN site seems intersting... but what a poor realisation.
> 	Ugly style... and more : it don't work.
>
> 	Why ?
>
> 	Why do they use such a complicated system only to
> 	return back the id of the document we need ?
> 	At the end of this mail is the javascript code they use...
> 	it's not useful, but i think it will work with my Mozilla
> 	on Linux... So the problem is not that one.
>
> 	Where's the problem... that's a good question. Not only
> 	a geek one. What are the criterions such a rich and
> 	powerful body as UN use to assess an information system ?
>
> 	It works on the developer computer, so it have to work
> 	for everyone ?
>
> 	So many times international recognized standards are not in
> 	use... and more, standard of practice and programming skills
> 	are not used by developpers of international and wide-world
> 	information systems.
>
> 	It's a long way to have head of administrative
> 	structures to survey their own systems, and to be sure
> 	they work for anyone (from the visually-impaired to the users
> 	of others systems). They don't have the skills... OK,
> 	that's not their job. But they have to hire good analysts,
> 	to provide system-control check lists, have independant
> 	watchers (never ask the developper to test his own system...).
>
> 	That's really "information society". As we go to give more and
> 	more power to system wide coders, we have to define new
> 	skills and practices for assessing those systems. And that's a
> 	new kind of "governance", and may be of "government".
>
> 	Free software, as it give the ability to learn and share
> 	skills, and the capacity for any nation to develop it's
> 	own computer science economy, are a good tool for this
> 	new conception of responsability of public providers of
> 	information to ensure that any users can get access and
> 	have satisfaction with the systems they propose to the public.
>
> Herv? Le Crosnier
>
> PS : here is the javascript code... the problem is not there, but
> 	merely in the retunr asp programm...
>
> 	My two cents technical advice :
> 	Give away Front page, use any front-end
> 	to the UN database, publish the API to
> 	access the database (or any other data
> 	collected system to use)... and in a minute
> 	tens of programmers will add access to the
> 	UN documents in their own systems !!!
>
> 	Freeing the public national or international
> 	documents is not a question of publishing them,
> 	but of organising the acccess for any "publisher"
> 	(private or cooperative, or even other national
> 	or international bodies) to integrate those documents
> 	in their services.
>
> 	Look at the way commercial systems as Amazon
> 	offer that kind of API, and the massive use
> 	all over very different kind of web prducers.
>
> 	Look at the success of RSS,...
>
> 	Yes building information societies is also a
> 	problem of opening access to digital documents.
> 	And we need to teach those who are in charge of
> 	deciding that it's not a "technical" problem they
> 	have to give to a technical staff, but it's also
> 	a political problem they have to deal with.
>
> 	"Code is Law" as say Larry Lessig.
>
> --------------------------------------
> <script language="javascript">
> function Perform(action_name) {
> 	var form = document.forms[0];
> 	form.lastevent.value=action_name;
> 	form.submit();
> 	return true;
> }
>
> function ViewDoc(index) {
> 	var form = document.forms[0];
> 	form.doc2view.value=index;
> 	form.submit();
> 	return Perform("results.view");
> }
>
> function Perform1(language){
> 	var form = document.forms[0];
> 	form.langchoice.value=language;
> 	form.submit();
> 	return Perform('results.lang');
> }
> </script>
>
>
>
> 	
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
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>
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Head
School of Journalism and Communication
University of Queensland
St.Lucia, Brisbane, QLD 4072, Australia
Tel: +61 7 3365 6115 or 3088
Fax: +61 7 3365 1377
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From Bill.McIver at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca  Thu Jan  6 11:54:31 2005
From: Bill.McIver at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca (Bill McIver)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:15 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document system, and lessons for
 i	nformation diffusion
In-Reply-To: <41DD0F74.10405@info.unicaen.fr>
References: <41DD0F74.10405@info.unicaen.fr>
Message-ID: <41DD26F7.9070304@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>


All,

It appears not to work for me either.

I get results, but the ViewDoc function does not open documents
for me.

I am using Mozilla 1.7.3 on Mac OS X 10.3.6 .

--

As before, it appears that static file names are
still available for many of the documents.
So, for example, one can take the document number from ODS and
use a third party search service (e.g. Google)
as an alternate way of retrieving the document.

The problem with the old system was that the search
mechanism was very poor and I often resorted to third party search
anyway.

This does not excuse ODS though.

--

We could perform a more thorough -- but quick -- study
and then, if warranted, launch a formal protest.



WJM



Herv? Le Crosnier wrote:

> Georg C. F. Greve a ?crit :
> >  rp> The ODS can be accessed at http://documents.un.org.
>
> > I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the documents,
> > others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on Windows
> > and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft and is
> > using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
> >
> > Could someone else please confirm whether this effect also exists for
> > them or whether this is some odd freak-incident that I have been
> > seeing?
>
>
>         Hello,
>
>         I've also try the UN doc system.
>
>         To me it don't work either...
>
>         This answer is not a technical one
>         (though i give technical advice), but rather
>         a short insight on the way we have to deal
>         with information in the information society.
>
>
>         The UN site seems intersting... but what a poor realisation.
>         Ugly style... and more : it don't work.
>
>         Why ?
>
>         Why do they use such a complicated system only to
>         return back the id of the document we need ?
>         At the end of this mail is the javascript code they use...
>         it's not useful, but i think it will work with my Mozilla
>         on Linux... So the problem is not that one.
>
>         Where's the problem... that's a good question. Not only
>         a geek one. What are the criterions such a rich and
>         powerful body as UN use to assess an information system ?
>
>         It works on the developer computer, so it have to work
>         for everyone ?
>
>         So many times international recognized standards are not in
>         use... and more, standard of practice and programming skills
>         are not used by developpers of international and wide-world
>         information systems.
>
>         It's a long way to have head of administrative
>         structures to survey their own systems, and to be sure
>         they work for anyone (from the visually-impaired to the users
>         of others systems). They don't have the skills... OK,
>         that's not their job. But they have to hire good analysts,
>         to provide system-control check lists, have independant
>         watchers (never ask the developper to test his own system...).
>
>         That's really "information society". As we go to give more and
>         more power to system wide coders, we have to define new
>         skills and practices for assessing those systems. And that's a
>         new kind of "governance", and may be of "government".
>
>         Free software, as it give the ability to learn and share
>         skills, and the capacity for any nation to develop it's
>         own computer science economy, are a good tool for this
>         new conception of responsability of public providers of
>         information to ensure that any users can get access and
>         have satisfaction with the systems they propose to the public.
>
> Herv? Le Crosnier
>
> PS : here is the javascript code... the problem is not there, but
>         merely in the retunr asp programm...
>
>         My two cents technical advice :
>         Give away Front page, use any front-end
>         to the UN database, publish the API to
>         access the database (or any other data
>         collected system to use)... and in a minute
>         tens of programmers will add access to the
>         UN documents in their own systems !!!
>
>         Freeing the public national or international
>         documents is not a question of publishing them,
>         but of organising the acccess for any "publisher"
>         (private or cooperative, or even other national
>         or international bodies) to integrate those documents
>         in their services.
>
>         Look at the way commercial systems as Amazon
>         offer that kind of API, and the massive use
>         all over very different kind of web prducers.
>
>         Look at the success of RSS,...
>
>         Yes building information societies is also a
>         problem of opening access to digital documents.
>         And we need to teach those who are in charge of
>         deciding that it's not a "technical" problem they
>         have to give to a technical staff, but it's also
>         a political problem they have to deal with.
>
>         "Code is Law" as say Larry Lessig.
>
> --------------------------------------
> <script language="javascript">
> function Perform(action_name) {
>         var form = document.forms[0];
>         form.lastevent.value=action_name;
>         form.submit();
>         return true;
> }
>
> function ViewDoc(index) {
>         var form = document.forms[0];
>         form.doc2view.value=index;
>         form.submit();
>         return Perform("results.view");
> }
>
> function Perform1(language){
>         var form = document.forms[0];
>         form.langchoice.value=language;
>         form.submit();
>         return Perform('results.lang');
> }
> </script>
>
>
>
>        
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From correia.rui at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 10:28:11 2005
From: correia.rui at gmail.com (Rui Correia)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <p06110437be02b6096e94@[192.168.1.254]>
Message-ID: <001201c4f3da$7a871630$0100a8c0@Laptop>

I tried with Opera. Fine for browsing, but when it came to accessing
documents (Java), server timed out. I insisted and ABRACADABRA, it
opened!!!! 

________________________________________________
?
?
Rui Correia
Advocacy, Media and Language Consultant
36 Finch St, 
Ontdekkers Park, Roodepoort, 
Johannesburg, South Africa
Tel/ Fax (+27-11) 766-4336
Cell (+27) (0) 83-368-1214



-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On Behalf
Of Adam Peake
Sent: 06 January 2005 12:00
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online

On Mac using various browsers I can search but cannot access 
documents.  Does seem to be javascript.

Welcome page says:

"The ODS is a multilingual system. Therefore, it requires 
UNICODE-based Internet browsers, such as MS Internet Explorer 5.5, 
Netscape 6.21 or higher versions. For access to the ODS, please 
ensure that your Internet browser complies with this requirement."

I try to use Safari and Firefox.

Adam


At 10:19 AM +0100 1/6/05, Georg C. F. Greve wrote:
>  || On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:02:48 -0500
>  || Rik Panganiban <rikp@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>  rp> I thought this news would be relevant to folks in the WSIS
>  rp> community interested in online transparency and public
>  rp> information. [...]
>  rp> The ODS can be accessed at http://documents.un.org.
>  rp> [...]
>  rp> I encourage you to get the word out to your own networks about this
>  rp> important resource.
>
>  rp> Regards to all and Happy Transparent and Accessible New Year.
>
>I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the documents,
>others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on Windows
>and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft and is
>using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
>
>Could someone else please confirm whether this effect also exists for
>them or whether this is some odd freak-incident that I have been
>seeing?
>
>Regards,
>Georg
>
>--
>Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
>Free Software Foundation Europe
(http://fsfeurope.org)
>GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
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From j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk  Thu Jan  6 12:17:18 2005
From: j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk (Jonathan Cave)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document system, and
  lessons for information diffusion
In-Reply-To: <41DD26F7.9070304@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
References: <41DD0F74.10405@info.unicaen.fr>
 <41DD26F7.9070304@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050106121141.01e7d468@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>

Hi!

I am using Firefox 1.0 on an XP pro system and get the same problem. 
Pursuing a bit deeper, Javascript console (latest) reports:

Error: langSel has no properties
Source File: http://documents.un.org/javascript/query.js
Line: 1839

The ODS does, of course, work with IE. This is a poor show, since it is 
neither necessary nor appropriate to endorse a proprietary 'standard' over 
a real one. It also raises other questions - for instance, I'd guess that 
Brazilian government personnel might be absolutely unable to access this site.

I look forward either to a redesign or an explicit statement on the banner 
page saying that the site only works with IE.

Cheers,

J.
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From rikp at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  6 12:22:07 2005
From: rikp at earthlink.net (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document system, and lessons for information diffusion
In-Reply-To: <41DD0F74.10405@info.unicaen.fr>
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41DD0F74.10405@info.unicaen.fr>
Message-ID: <94E7585A-5FDD-11D9-B32C-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>

Thanks everyone for your detailed feedback on the ODS system.  I am in 
touch with some United Nations folks about this, who are also concerned 
about the non-compatibility of the code.  Indeed it would be strange if 
the UN did not comply with internationally-accepted standards.

Rik Panganiban

On Jan 6, 2005, at 5:14 AM, Herv? Le Crosnier wrote:

> Georg C. F. Greve a ?crit :
>>  rp> The ODS can be accessed at http://documents.un.org.
>
>> I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the documents,
>> others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on Windows
>> and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft and is
>> using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
>> Could someone else please confirm whether this effect also exists for
>> them or whether this is some odd freak-incident that I have been
>> seeing?
>
>
> 	Hello,
>
> 	I've also try the UN doc system.
>
> 	To me it don't work either...
>
> 	This answer is not a technical one
> 	(though i give technical advice), but rather
> 	a short insight on the way we have to deal
> 	with information in the information society.
>
>
> 	The UN site seems intersting... but what a poor realisation.
> 	Ugly style... and more : it don't work.
>
> 	Why ?
>
> 	Why do they use such a complicated system only to
> 	return back the id of the document we need ?
> 	At the end of this mail is the javascript code they use...
> 	it's not useful, but i think it will work with my Mozilla
> 	on Linux... So the problem is not that one.
>
> 	Where's the problem... that's a good question. Not only
> 	a geek one. What are the criterions such a rich and
> 	powerful body as UN use to assess an information system ?
>
> 	It works on the developer computer, so it have to work
> 	for everyone ?
>
> 	So many times international recognized standards are not in
> 	use... and more, standard of practice and programming skills
> 	are not used by developpers of international and wide-world
> 	information systems.
>
> 	It's a long way to have head of administrative
> 	structures to survey their own systems, and to be sure
> 	they work for anyone (from the visually-impaired to the users
> 	of others systems). They don't have the skills... OK,
> 	that's not their job. But they have to hire good analysts,
> 	to provide system-control check lists, have independant
> 	watchers (never ask the developper to test his own system...).
>
> 	That's really "information society". As we go to give more and
> 	more power to system wide coders, we have to define new
> 	skills and practices for assessing those systems. And that's a
> 	new kind of "governance", and may be of "government".
>
> 	Free software, as it give the ability to learn and share
> 	skills, and the capacity for any nation to develop it's
> 	own computer science economy, are a good tool for this
> 	new conception of responsability of public providers of
> 	information to ensure that any users can get access and
> 	have satisfaction with the systems they propose to the public.
>
> Herv? Le Crosnier
>
> PS : here is the javascript code... the problem is not there, but
> 	merely in the retunr asp programm...
>
> 	My two cents technical advice :
> 	Give away Front page, use any front-end
> 	to the UN database, publish the API to
> 	access the database (or any other data
> 	collected system to use)... and in a minute
> 	tens of programmers will add access to the
> 	UN documents in their own systems !!!
>
> 	Freeing the public national or international
> 	documents is not a question of publishing them,
> 	but of organising the acccess for any "publisher"
> 	(private or cooperative, or even other national
> 	or international bodies) to integrate those documents
> 	in their services.
>
> 	Look at the way commercial systems as Amazon
> 	offer that kind of API, and the massive use
> 	all over very different kind of web prducers.
>
> 	Look at the success of RSS,...
>
> 	Yes building information societies is also a
> 	problem of opening access to digital documents.
> 	And we need to teach those who are in charge of
> 	deciding that it's not a "technical" problem they
> 	have to give to a technical staff, but it's also
> 	a political problem they have to deal with.
>
> 	"Code is Law" as say Larry Lessig.
>
> --------------------------------------
> <script language="javascript">
> function Perform(action_name) {
> 	var form = document.forms[0];
> 	form.lastevent.value=action_name;
> 	form.submit();
> 	return true;
> }
>
> function ViewDoc(index) {
> 	var form = document.forms[0];
> 	form.doc2view.value=index;
> 	form.submit();
> 	return Perform("results.view");
> }
>
> function Perform1(language){
> 	var form = document.forms[0];
> 	form.langchoice.value=language;
> 	form.submit();
> 	return Perform('results.lang');
> }
> </script>
>
>
>
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Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations 
(CONGO)
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From correia.rui at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 12:26:28 2005
From: correia.rui at gmail.com (Rui Correia)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document system 
In-Reply-To: <41DD26F7.9070304@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <002401c4f3ea$f55aec50$0100a8c0@Laptop>

Dear All

 

It has been established beyond all doubt that a number of UN agencies have
struck deals with M$ that would not exactly earn them any awards for
transparency and public debate. It now transpires that the UN document
system also favours those using M$ platforms.

 

Yes, I do think we as CS should do something about this, to answer Martin
Olivera's question. As for Robert's question about it being too late, let's
see what the legal experts come up with.

 

SUGGESTION: For the time being, we could consider gathering all the evidence
in a separate location (off this list) so we all get a good picture of what
M$ is up to. The irony is that quite a few of these deals were explored/
negotiated/ finalised at WSIS forums!! Angola did at PrepCom III in
September: http://fr.allafrica.com/stories/200309260534.html 

 

Best regards

 

Rui

 

________________________________________________
 
 
Rui Correia
Advocacy, Media and Language Consultant
36 Finch St,
Ontdekkers Park, Roodepoort,
Johannesburg, South Africa
Tel/ Fax (+27-11) 766-4336
Cell (+27) (0) 83-368-1214



  
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From njenga at apc.org  Thu Jan  6 13:13:25 2005
From: njenga at apc.org (Emmanuel Njenga)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Discussion Forum of Africa Civil Society on WSIS Phase II
Message-ID: <41DD3975.3010409@apc.org>

FYI..

Francais below:

---

Dear all,

This is to inform and invite you all to participate in an online
discussion forum of Africa civil society to develop position papers on
various policy issues in preparation to the upcoming Africa regional
PrepCom for WSIS in Accra, Ghana later this month.

The discussion forum will cover three main areas of:

-  ICT Policy Priorities for Africa
-  Financial Mechanisms for ICTD
-  Internet Governance

The discussion forum will take place in the coming three weeks
(commencing today 5th till January the 26th January) with weekly
summaries on each of the areas discussed.

The final report will be presented in Accra during the Africa
civil society pre-event meeting to be held on the 28th February, an
agenda of the meeting will be posted to this list shortly.

The discussion forum will he held in both English and French with weekly
translations.

The final outputs will then form the basis for inputs/contributions by
Africa civil society during the official processes/thematic workshops
that will take place during the PrepCom in Accra.

We look forward to your active participation.

Kind Regards,

Africa Civil Society in the Information Society - ACSIS

The discussion forum is has been convened and is facillitated by the APC.

-----
Chers tous,

Par ce message, nous voudrions vous inviter ? participer ? un d?bat
?lectronique de la soci?t? civile africaine, organis? dans le cadre de la
pr?paration de la conf?rence africaine du SMSI qui doit se tenir ? Accra ?
la fin de ce mois. Ce d?bat a pour objectif de conduire ? la r?daction de
documents de propositions sur les divers enjeux en discussion.

La discussion couvrira trios sujets principaux :
- Les priorit?s en mati?re de politiques des TIC pour l?Afrique
- Les m?canismes de financement des TIC pour le d?veloppement
- La gouvernance de l?Internet

Le d?bat aura lieu durant les trois prochaines semaines. Il d?butera ce 5
janvier et prendra fin le 26 janvier. Une synth?se hebdomadaire sera
r?alis?e et diffus?e sur chaque th?me.

Un rapport final sera pr?sent? ? Accra au cours d?une rencontre pr?c?dant
la conf?rence r?gionale que la soci?t? civile organise. Cette rencontre
aura lieu le 28 janvier. Le programme sera diffus? bient?t.

La discussion aura lieu en fran?ais et en anglais. Des traductions
hebdomadaires seront r?alis?es.

Les r?sultats constitueront la base de la contribution de la soci?t?
civile africaine lors des manifestations officielles (ateliers et autres)
organis?es pendant la conf?rence pr?paratoire d?Accra.

Nous esp?rons que vous participerez activement ? ce d?bat.

Salutations cordiales.

Africa Civil Society in the Information Society - ACSIS

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From Ramin.Kaweh at unctad.org  Thu Jan  6 13:27:54 2005
From: Ramin.Kaweh at unctad.org (Ramin.Kaweh@unctad.org)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <001201c4f3da$7a871630$0100a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <OF84AA2A7B.26956BED-ON41256F81.00496E3A-C1256F81.0049F73F@unctad.org>

Please see below the message from our Information-Communication Officer, 
re. the ODS :

I did not try the ODS site on Macintosh, but I did try it on PC, and I can 
affirm that it is not right that the system works only on Internet 
Explorer.

I tried it on the following browsers :
- Internet Explorer
- Netscape
- Fast Browser
- and the open source software : Mozilla Firefox

All of these softwares can display the site and the same results for the 
queries requested. 

The only problem that I saw was with a browser called "Opera", which has 
not a very large number of users, and which can display the first pages of 
the ODS site , but instead of the result of the research, it displays the 
following error message : "Notes error: Query is not understandable". 

Regards
Kouraich
(kouraich.jaouahdou@unctad.org)







"Rui Correia" <correia.rui@gmail.com>
Sent by: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org
06.01.2005 11:28
Please respond to plenary
 
        To:     <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
        cc:     "'James Evans'" <james.botswana@gmail.com>, "'"Jan 
Pf?rtsch"'" <jan.pfoertsch@t-online.de>
        Subject:        RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System 
is online


I tried with Opera. Fine for browsing, but when it came to accessing
documents (Java), server timed out. I insisted and ABRACADABRA, it
opened!!!! 

________________________________________________
 
 
Rui Correia
Advocacy, Media and Language Consultant
36 Finch St, 
Ontdekkers Park, Roodepoort, 
Johannesburg, South Africa
Tel/ Fax (+27-11) 766-4336
Cell (+27) (0) 83-368-1214



-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On 
Behalf
Of Adam Peake
Sent: 06 January 2005 12:00
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online

On Mac using various browsers I can search but cannot access 
documents.  Does seem to be javascript.

Welcome page says:

"The ODS is a multilingual system. Therefore, it requires 
UNICODE-based Internet browsers, such as MS Internet Explorer 5.5, 
Netscape 6.21 or higher versions. For access to the ODS, please 
ensure that your Internet browser complies with this requirement."

I try to use Safari and Firefox.

Adam


At 10:19 AM +0100 1/6/05, Georg C. F. Greve wrote:
>  || On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:02:48 -0500
>  || Rik Panganiban <rikp@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>  rp> I thought this news would be relevant to folks in the WSIS
>  rp> community interested in online transparency and public
>  rp> information. [...]
>  rp> The ODS can be accessed at http://documents.un.org.
>  rp> [...]
>  rp> I encourage you to get the word out to your own networks about this
>  rp> important resource.
>
>  rp> Regards to all and Happy Transparent and Accessible New Year.
>
>I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the documents,
>others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on Windows
>and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft and is
>using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
>
>Could someone else please confirm whether this effect also exists for
>them or whether this is some odd freak-incident that I have been
>seeing?
>
>Regards,
>Georg
>
>--
>Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
>Free Software Foundation Europe
(http://fsfeurope.org)
>GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
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From acarvin at edc.org  Thu Jan  6 13:35:31 2005
From: acarvin at edc.org (Andy Carvin)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document system, and lessons for
 information diffusion
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References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>  <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41DD0F74.10405@info.unicaen.fr> <94E7585A-5FDD-11D9-B32C-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
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Not sure if anyone has mentioned this aspect already, but the site fails 
even the most basic Web accessibility standards for the disabled (the 
W3C WAI standard). They don't even provide ALT tags for the graphics on 
the homepage.

http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/bobbyServlet?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdocuments.un.org&gl=wcag1-aaa&test=

If this had been a US govt site, it would have also failed to pass the 
Section 508 guidelines required by law to make all government sites have 
rudimentary accessibility.

http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/bobbyServlet?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdocuments.un.org&gl=sec508&test=

ac

Rik Panganiban wrote:
> Thanks everyone for your detailed feedback on the ODS system. I am in 
> touch with some United Nations folks about this, who are also concerned 
> about the non-compatibility of the code. Indeed it would be strange if 
> the UN did not comply with internationally-accepted standards.
> 
> Rik Panganiban
> 
> On Jan 6, 2005, at 5:14 AM, Herv? Le Crosnier wrote:
> 
>     Georg C. F. Greve a ?crit :
> 
>         rp> The ODS can be accessed at http://documents.un.org.
> 
> 
>         I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the
>         documents,
>         others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on
>         Windows
>         and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft and is
>         using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
>         Could someone else please confirm whether this effect also
>         exists for
>         them or whether this is some odd freak-incident that I have been
>         seeing?
> 
> 
> 
>     Hello,
> 
>     I've also try the UN doc system.
> 
>     To me it don't work either...
> 
>     This answer is not a technical one
>     (though i give technical advice), but rather
>     a short insight on the way we have to deal
>     with information in the information society.
> 
> 
>     The UN site seems intersting... but what a poor realisation.
>     Ugly style... and more : it don't work.
> 
>     Why ?
> 
>     Why do they use such a complicated system only to
>     return back the id of the document we need ?
>     At the end of this mail is the javascript code they use...
>     it's not useful, but i think it will work with my Mozilla
>     on Linux... So the problem is not that one.
> 
>     Where's the problem... that's a good question. Not only
>     a geek one. What are the criterions such a rich and
>     powerful body as UN use to assess an information system ?
> 
>     It works on the developer computer, so it have to work
>     for everyone ?
> 
>     So many times international recognized standards are not in
>     use... and more, standard of practice and programming skills
>     are not used by developpers of international and wide-world
>     information systems.
> 
>     It's a long way to have head of administrative
>     structures to survey their own systems, and to be sure
>     they work for anyone (from the visually-impaired to the users
>     of others systems). They don't have the skills... OK,
>     that's not their job. But they have to hire good analysts,
>     to provide system-control check lists, have independant
>     watchers (never ask the developper to test his own system...).
> 
>     That's really "information society". As we go to give more and
>     more power to system wide coders, we have to define new
>     skills and practices for assessing those systems. And that's a
>     new kind of "governance", and may be of "government".
> 
>     Free software, as it give the ability to learn and share
>     skills, and the capacity for any nation to develop it's
>     own computer science economy, are a good tool for this
>     new conception of responsability of public providers of
>     information to ensure that any users can get access and
>     have satisfaction with the systems they propose to the public.
> 
>     Herv? Le Crosnier
> 
>     PS : here is the javascript code... the problem is not there, but
>     merely in the retunr asp programm...
> 
>     My two cents technical advice :
>     Give away Front page, use any front-end
>     to the UN database, publish the API to
>     access the database (or any other data
>     collected system to use)... and in a minute
>     tens of programmers will add access to the
>     UN documents in their own systems !!!
> 
>     Freeing the public national or international
>     documents is not a question of publishing them,
>     but of organising the acccess for any "publisher"
>     (private or cooperative, or even other national
>     or international bodies) to integrate those documents
>     in their services.
> 
>     Look at the way commercial systems as Amazon
>     offer that kind of API, and the massive use
>     all over very different kind of web prducers.
> 
>     Look at the success of RSS,...
> 
>     Yes building information societies is also a
>     problem of opening access to digital documents.
>     And we need to teach those who are in charge of
>     deciding that it's not a "technical" problem they
>     have to give to a technical staff, but it's also
>     a political problem they have to deal with.
> 
>     "Code is Law" as say Larry Lessig.
> 
>     --------------------------------------
>     <script language="javascript">
>     function Perform(action_name) {
>     var form = document.forms[0];
>     form.lastevent.value=action_name;
>     form.submit();
>     return true;
>     }
> 
>     function ViewDoc(index) {
>     var form = document.forms[0];
>     form.doc2view.value=index;
>     form.submit();
>     return Perform("results.view");
>     }
> 
>     function Perform1(language){
>     var form = document.forms[0];
>     form.langchoice.value=language;
>     form.submit();
>     return Perform('results.lang');
>     }
>     </script>
> 
> 
> 
> ===============================================
> RIK PANGANIBAN Communications Coordinator
> Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations 
> (CONGO)
> web: http://www.ngocongo.org
> email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
> 
> ** Please note CONGO's new mailing address: *CP 50, 1211 Gen?ve 20, 
> Switzerland.*  Our physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 1st 
> Floor, 1202 Gen?ve, Switzerland. **
> 

-- 
-----------------------------------
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From j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk  Thu Jan  6 13:43:24 2005
From: j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk (Jonathan Cave)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <OF84AA2A7B.26956BED-ON41256F81.00496E3A-C1256F81.0049F73F@
 unctad.org>
References: <001201c4f3da$7a871630$0100a8c0@Laptop>
 <OF84AA2A7B.26956BED-ON41256F81.00496E3A-C1256F81.0049F73F@unctad.org>
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Dear Kouraich (and others)

I am sorry, but the test you ran was incomplete - please try to read the 
files located by a query. I have repeated my earlier experiment with 
Mozilla 1.3.1 as well as Firefox 1.0. Viewing the site is OK, and queries 
are OK, but the documents found cannot be viewed.

I think there is a basic misunderstanding: the query system does work. But 
a query system that does not give access to the documents located is, shall 
we say, of limited utility.

Please try again.

Thank you,

Jonathan

At 13:27 06/01/2005, Ramin.Kaweh@unctad.org wrote:

>Please see below the message from our Information-Communication Officer, 
>re. the ODS :
>
>I did not try the ODS site on Macintosh, but I did try it on PC, and I can 
>affirm that it is not right that the system works only on Internet Explorer.
>
>I tried it on the following browsers :
>- Internet Explorer
>- Netscape
>- Fast Browser
>- and the open source software : Mozilla Firefox
>
>All of these softwares can display the site and the same results for the 
>queries requested.
>
>The only problem that I saw was with a browser called "Opera", which has 
>not a very large number of users, and which can display the first pages of 
>the ODS site , but instead of the result of the research, it displays the 
>following error message : "Notes error: Query is not understandable".
>
>Regards
>Kouraich
>(kouraich.jaouahdou@unctad.org)
>
>
>
>
>
>"Rui Correia" <correia.rui@gmail.com>
>Sent by: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org
>
>06.01.2005 11:28
>Please respond to plenary
>         To:        <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
>         cc:        "'James Evans'" <james.botswana@gmail.com>, "'"Jan 
> Pf?rtsch"'" <jan.pfoertsch@t-online.de>
>         Subject:        RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System 
> is online
>
>
>I tried with Opera. Fine for browsing, but when it came to accessing
>documents (Java), server timed out. I insisted and ABRACADABRA, it
>opened!!!!
>
>________________________________________________
>
>
>Rui Correia
>Advocacy, Media and Language Consultant
>36 Finch St,
>Ontdekkers Park, Roodepoort,
>Johannesburg, South Africa
>Tel/ Fax (+27-11) 766-4336
>Cell (+27) (0) 83-368-1214
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On Behalf
>Of Adam Peake
>Sent: 06 January 2005 12:00
>To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
>
>On Mac using various browsers I can search but cannot access
>documents.  Does seem to be javascript.
>
>Welcome page says:
>
>"The ODS is a multilingual system. Therefore, it requires
>UNICODE-based Internet browsers, such as MS Internet Explorer 5.5,
>Netscape 6.21 or higher versions. For access to the ODS, please
>ensure that your Internet browser complies with this requirement."
>
>I try to use Safari and Firefox.
>
>Adam
>
>
>At 10:19 AM +0100 1/6/05, Georg C. F. Greve wrote:
> >  || On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:02:48 -0500
> >  || Rik Panganiban <rikp@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >  rp> I thought this news would be relevant to folks in the WSIS
> >  rp> community interested in online transparency and public
> >  rp> information. [...]
> >  rp> The ODS can be accessed at http://documents.un.org.
> >  rp> [...]
> >  rp> I encourage you to get the word out to your own networks about this
> >  rp> important resource.
> >
> >  rp> Regards to all and Happy Transparent and Accessible New Year.
> >
> >I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the documents,
> >others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on Windows
> >and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft and is
> >using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
> >
> >Could someone else please confirm whether this effect also exists for
> >them or whether this is some odd freak-incident that I have been
> >seeing?
> >
> >Regards,
> >Georg
> >
> >--
> >Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
> >Free Software Foundation Europe
>(http://fsfeurope.org)
> >GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
> >Brave GNU World
>(http://brave-gnu-world.org)
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From: Bill.McIver at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca (Bill McIver)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
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Jonathan,

Several of us have already made this point.


WJM


Jonathan Cave wrote:

> Dear Kouraich (and others)
>
> I am sorry, but the test you ran was incomplete - please try to read 
> the files located by a query. I have repeated my earlier experiment 
> with Mozilla 1.3.1 as well as Firefox 1.0. Viewing the site is OK, and 
> queries are OK, but the documents found cannot be viewed.
>
> I think there is a basic misunderstanding: the query system does work. 
> But a query system that does not give access to the documents located 
> is, shall we say, of limited utility.
>
> Please try again.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jonathan
>
> At 13:27 06/01/2005, Ramin.Kaweh@unctad.org wrote:
>
>> Please see below the message from our Information-Communication 
>> Officer, re. the ODS :
>>
>> I did not try the ODS site on Macintosh, but I did try it on PC, and 
>> I can affirm that it is not right that the system works only on 
>> Internet Explorer.
>>
>> I tried it on the following browsers :
>> - Internet Explorer
>> - Netscape
>> - Fast Browser
>> - and the open source software : Mozilla Firefox
>>
>> All of these softwares can display the site and the same results for 
>> the queries requested.
>>
>> The only problem that I saw was with a browser called "Opera", which 
>> has not a very large number of users, and which can display the first 
>> pages of the ODS site , but instead of the result of the research, it 
>> displays the following error message : "Notes error: Query is not 
>> understandable".
>>
>> Regards
>> Kouraich
>> (kouraich.jaouahdou@unctad.org)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *"Rui Correia" <correia.rui@gmail.com>*
>> Sent by: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org
>>
>> 06.01.2005 11:28
>> Please respond to plenary        
>>         To:        <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
>>         cc:        "'James Evans'" <james.botswana@gmail.com>, "'"Jan 
>> Pf?rtsch"'" <jan.pfoertsch@t-online.de>
>>         Subject:        RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document 
>> System is online
>>
>>
>> I tried with Opera. Fine for browsing, but when it came to accessing
>> documents (Java), server timed out. I insisted and ABRACADABRA, it
>> opened!!!!
>>
>> ________________________________________________
>>  
>>  
>> Rui Correia
>> Advocacy, Media and Language Consultant
>> 36 Finch St,
>> Ontdekkers Park, Roodepoort,
>> Johannesburg, South Africa
>> Tel/ Fax (+27-11) 766-4336
>> Cell (+27) (0) 83-368-1214
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Adam Peake
>> Sent: 06 January 2005 12:00
>> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>> Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
>>
>> On Mac using various browsers I can search but cannot access
>> documents.  Does seem to be javascript.
>>
>> Welcome page says:
>>
>> "The ODS is a multilingual system. Therefore, it requires
>> UNICODE-based Internet browsers, such as MS Internet Explorer 5.5,
>> Netscape 6.21 or higher versions. For access to the ODS, please
>> ensure that your Internet browser complies with this requirement."
>>
>> I try to use Safari and Firefox.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>> At 10:19 AM +0100 1/6/05, Georg C. F. Greve wrote:
>> >  || On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:02:48 -0500
>> >  || Rik Panganiban <rikp@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >  rp> I thought this news would be relevant to folks in the WSIS
>> >  rp> community interested in online transparency and public
>> >  rp> information. [...]
>> >  rp> The ODS can be accessed at http://documents.un.org 
>> <http://documents.un.org/>.
>> >  rp> [...]
>> >  rp> I encourage you to get the word out to your own networks about 
>> this
>> >  rp> important resource.
>> >
>> >  rp> Regards to all and Happy Transparent and Accessible New Year.
>> >
>> >I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the documents,
>> >others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on Windows
>> >and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft and is
>> >using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
>> >
>> >Could someone else please confirm whether this effect also exists for
>> >them or whether this is some odd freak-incident that I have been
>> >seeing?
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >Georg
>> >
>> >--
>> >Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
>> >Free Software Foundation Europe
>> (http://fsfeurope.org <http://fsfeurope.org/>)
>> >GNU Business Network                        
>> (http://mailman.gnubiz.org <http://mailman.gnubiz.org/>)
>> >Brave GNU World
>> (http://brave-gnu-world.org <http://brave-gnu-world.org/>)
>> >
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From lists at mraihi.com  Thu Jan  6 13:49:38 2005
From: lists at mraihi.com (Marouen MRAIHI)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
References: <OF84AA2A7B.26956BED-ON41256F81.00496E3A-C1256F81.0049F73F@unctad.org>
Message-ID: <043d01c4f3f6$94995e40$6bfaa8c0@MAROUEN>

The problem happens when you try to access to a file after the queries. 

Marouen 
http://www.mraihi.com 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ramin.Kaweh@unctad.org 
  To: plenary@wsis-cs.org 
  Cc: Kouraich.Jaouahdou@unctad.org 
  Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 2:27 PM
  Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online



  Please see below the message from our Information-Communication Officer, re. the ODS : 

  I did not try the ODS site on Macintosh, but I did try it on PC, and I can affirm that it is not right that the system works only on Internet Explorer. 

  I tried it on the following browsers : 
  - Internet Explorer 
  - Netscape 
  - Fast Browser 
  - and the open source software : Mozilla Firefox 

  All of these softwares can display the site and the same results for the queries requested. 

  The only problem that I saw was with a browser called "Opera", which has not a very large number of users, and which can display the first pages of the ODS site , but instead of the result of the research, it displays the following error message : "Notes error: Query is not understandable". 

  Regards 
  Kouraich 
  (kouraich.jaouahdou@unctad.org) 





       "Rui Correia" <correia.rui@gmail.com> 
        Sent by: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org 
        06.01.2005 11:28 
        Please respond to plenary 
               
                To:        <plenary@wsis-cs.org> 
                cc:        "'James Evans'" <james.botswana@gmail.com>, "'"Jan Pf?rtsch"'" <jan.pfoertsch@t-online.de> 
                Subject:        RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online 



  I tried with Opera. Fine for browsing, but when it came to accessing
  documents (Java), server timed out. I insisted and ABRACADABRA, it
  opened!!!! 

  ________________________________________________
   
   
  Rui Correia
  Advocacy, Media and Language Consultant
  36 Finch St, 
  Ontdekkers Park, Roodepoort, 
  Johannesburg, South Africa
  Tel/ Fax (+27-11) 766-4336
  Cell (+27) (0) 83-368-1214



  -----Original Message-----
  From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On Behalf
  Of Adam Peake
  Sent: 06 January 2005 12:00
  To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
  Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online

  On Mac using various browsers I can search but cannot access 
  documents.  Does seem to be javascript.

  Welcome page says:

  "The ODS is a multilingual system. Therefore, it requires 
  UNICODE-based Internet browsers, such as MS Internet Explorer 5.5, 
  Netscape 6.21 or higher versions. For access to the ODS, please 
  ensure that your Internet browser complies with this requirement."

  I try to use Safari and Firefox.

  Adam


  At 10:19 AM +0100 1/6/05, Georg C. F. Greve wrote:
  >  || On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:02:48 -0500
  >  || Rik Panganiban <rikp@earthlink.net> wrote:
  >
  >  rp> I thought this news would be relevant to folks in the WSIS
  >  rp> community interested in online transparency and public
  >  rp> information. [...]
  >  rp> The ODS can be accessed at http://documents.un.org.
  >  rp> [...]
  >  rp> I encourage you to get the word out to your own networks about this
  >  rp> important resource.
  >
  >  rp> Regards to all and Happy Transparent and Accessible New Year.
  >
  >I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the documents,
  >others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on Windows
  >and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft and is
  >using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
  >
  >Could someone else please confirm whether this effect also exists for
  >them or whether this is some odd freak-incident that I have been
  >seeing?
  >
  >Regards,
  >Georg
  >
  >--
  >Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
  >Free Software Foundation Europe
  (http://fsfeurope.org)
  >GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
  >Brave GNU World
  (http://brave-gnu-world.org)
  >
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De: femmes feministes 
Objet: Voeux 2005
?: Patricia Jimenez ,
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jwy@go.com.jo, mohamed ,
luisa morgantini ,
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Le monde selon les femmes ,
Marta Barcelo ,
sana jelassi ,
hamdi0211 , souhayr belhassen ,
hichem , Huguette Matte ,
aida , houcine bardi ,
hrwdc@hrw.org, humanite ,
Amel Bejaoui ,
sihem bensedrine , tahar Ben hssine ,
TUNISNEWS , tuquoi 

*??? ????* 2005
 
*BONNE* ET* HEUREUSE* ANNEE* 2005*
 
Les membres du Comit? Directeur et l'ensemble des adh?rentes de l'Association Tunisienne de Femmes D?mocrates vous pr?sentent leurs meilleurs voeux pour l'ann?e 2005 et vous souhaitent joie et r?ussite dans tout ce que vous entreprenez pour d?fendre les droits de la personne humaine et  les droits des femmes.

P. L'ATFD
La Pr?sidente
Ahlem Belhaj
 
 
Vous trouverez ci-joint notre derni?re d?claration
 



 

Association Tunisienne des femmes democrates

6 Rue du Liban 1000 Tunis.   T?l: 71 794 131   Fax: 71 799 225

 


 

 

 

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Association Tunisienne des femmes democrates

6 Rue du Liban 1000 Tunis.   T?l: 71 794 131   Fax: 71 799 225

 


 

 

Tunis, le 31 d?cembre 2004

 

 

D?claration de solidarit? avec Ahlem Belhaj

Pr?sidente de l'ATFD

 

 

Suite ? l'incarc?ration de son mari Monsieur Jalel Zoghlami pour des accusations sans fondement, Madame Ahlem Belhaj Pr?sidente de l'Association Tunisienne des Femmes D?mocrates subit depuis des pressions  diverses et r?p?t?es :

?        Les agents de la s?curit? n'ont pas cess? d'encercler sa maison durant des heures, de la pourchasser et de la poursuivre dans tous ses d?placements;

?        L'avanc?e de sa carri?re professionnelle est menac?e;

?        Aujourd'hui, jeudi 30 d?cembre 2004, des agents de la prison civile de Mornag lui ont refus? son droit de rendre visite ? son mari et l'ont oblig? ? attendre durant des heures devant la prison et ce n'est qu'apr?s avoir contact? le Pr?sident de la Ligue Tunisienne de D?fense des Droits de l'Homme et des avocates et des avocats qu'elle est parvenue ? imposer son droit de visite. Son fils a ?t? ?galement interdit de voir son p?re.

 

Face ? toutes ces atteintes et ces pressions, l'ensemble des adh?rentes de l'ATFD :

?        s'insurgent contre toutes ces pratiques s?curitaires qui sont une violation flagrante des droits fondamentaux de la citoyennet? tels que le non respect du domicile et l'atteinte ? la libert? de circulation etc..

?        d?noncent l'obstination des autorit?s ? ne choisir que les m?thodes s?curitaires et r?pressives pour r?soudre les questions de libert?  et ces m?thodes  ne peuvent qu'aggraver la crise.

?        expriment leur solidarit? inconditionnelle ? l'amie et ? la Pr?sidente de l'ATFD Ahlem Belhaj en la soutenant dans les diff?rentes ?tapes qu'elle traverse avec l'ensemble des membres de sa famille.

 

 

P. Le Comit? Directeur

La Secr?taire G?n?rale

Bochra Belhaj Hmida





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From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
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Two comments:
 
1. "a browser called "Opera", which has not a very large number of users"
 
Many Cybercafes in Africa are using Opera.
 
2.  Question: what becomes of the www.untreaty.org ?
 
Just curiosity
 
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From Kouraich.Jaouahdou at unctad.org  Thu Jan  6 14:12:24 2005
From: Kouraich.Jaouahdou at unctad.org (Kouraich.Jaouahdou@unctad.org)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: Fw: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document system, and lessons for
 information diffusion
Message-ID: <OF3B6BBB99.4B914FB9-ONC1256F81.004D67B8-C1256F81.004E0ED6@unctad.org>

Hi, 

The ODS site works without any problem with a browser like "Fast Browser". 


You can download it from : http://www.fastbrowser.net/download.html
More on "Fast Browser" on: http://www.fastbrowser.net/index.html

Kouraich






Ramin Kaweh
06.01.2005 14:54

 
        To:     Kouraich Jaouahdou/GVA/UNCTAD@UNCTAD-NOTES
        cc: 
        Subject:        Fw: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document system, and lessons for 
information diffusion



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Not sure if anyone has mentioned this aspect already, but the site fails 
even the most basic Web accessibility standards for the disabled (the 
W3C WAI standard). They don't even provide ALT tags for the graphics on 
the homepage.

http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/bobbyServlet?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdocuments.un.org&gl=wcag1-aaa&test=

If this had been a US govt site, it would have also failed to pass the 
Section 508 guidelines required by law to make all government sites have 
rudimentary accessibility.

http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/bobbyServlet?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdocuments.un.org&gl=sec508&test=

ac

Rik Panganiban wrote:
> Thanks everyone for your detailed feedback on the ODS system. I am in 
> touch with some United Nations folks about this, who are also concerned 
> about the non-compatibility of the code. Indeed it would be strange if 
> the UN did not comply with internationally-accepted standards.
> 
> Rik Panganiban
> 
> On Jan 6, 2005, at 5:14 AM, Herv? Le Crosnier wrote:
> 
>     Georg C. F. Greve a ?crit :
> 
>         rp> The ODS can be accessed at http://documents.un.org.
> 
> 
>         I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the
>         documents,
>         others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on
>         Windows
>         and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft and 
is
>         using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
>         Could someone else please confirm whether this effect also
>         exists for
>         them or whether this is some odd freak-incident that I have been
>         seeing?
> 
> 
> 
>     Hello,
> 
>     I've also try the UN doc system.
> 
>     To me it don't work either...
> 
>     This answer is not a technical one
>     (though i give technical advice), but rather
>     a short insight on the way we have to deal
>     with information in the information society.
> 
> 
>     The UN site seems intersting... but what a poor realisation.
>     Ugly style... and more : it don't work.
> 
>     Why ?
> 
>     Why do they use such a complicated system only to
>     return back the id of the document we need ?
>     At the end of this mail is the javascript code they use...
>     it's not useful, but i think it will work with my Mozilla
>     on Linux... So the problem is not that one.
> 
>     Where's the problem... that's a good question. Not only
>     a geek one. What are the criterions such a rich and
>     powerful body as UN use to assess an information system ?
> 
>     It works on the developer computer, so it have to work
>     for everyone ?
> 
>     So many times international recognized standards are not in
>     use... and more, standard of practice and programming skills
>     are not used by developpers of international and wide-world
>     information systems.
> 
>     It's a long way to have head of administrative
>     structures to survey their own systems, and to be sure
>     they work for anyone (from the visually-impaired to the users
>     of others systems). They don't have the skills... OK,
>     that's not their job. But they have to hire good analysts,
>     to provide system-control check lists, have independant
>     watchers (never ask the developper to test his own system...).
> 
>     That's really "information society". As we go to give more and
>     more power to system wide coders, we have to define new
>     skills and practices for assessing those systems. And that's a
>     new kind of "governance", and may be of "government".
> 
>     Free software, as it give the ability to learn and share
>     skills, and the capacity for any nation to develop it's
>     own computer science economy, are a good tool for this
>     new conception of responsability of public providers of
>     information to ensure that any users can get access and
>     have satisfaction with the systems they propose to the public.
> 
>     Herv? Le Crosnier
> 
>     PS : here is the javascript code... the problem is not there, but
>     merely in the retunr asp programm...
> 
>     My two cents technical advice :
>     Give away Front page, use any front-end
>     to the UN database, publish the API to
>     access the database (or any other data
>     collected system to use)... and in a minute
>     tens of programmers will add access to the
>     UN documents in their own systems !!!
> 
>     Freeing the public national or international
>     documents is not a question of publishing them,
>     but of organising the acccess for any "publisher"
>     (private or cooperative, or even other national
>     or international bodies) to integrate those documents
>     in their services.
> 
>     Look at the way commercial systems as Amazon
>     offer that kind of API, and the massive use
>     all over very different kind of web prducers.
> 
>     Look at the success of RSS,...
> 
>     Yes building information societies is also a
>     problem of opening access to digital documents.
>     And we need to teach those who are in charge of
>     deciding that it's not a "technical" problem they
>     have to give to a technical staff, but it's also
>     a political problem they have to deal with.
> 
>     "Code is Law" as say Larry Lessig.
> 
>     --------------------------------------
>     <script language="javascript">
>     function Perform(action_name) {
>     var form = document.forms[0];
>     form.lastevent.value=action_name;
>     form.submit();
>     return true;
>     }
> 
>     function ViewDoc(index) {
>     var form = document.forms[0];
>     form.doc2view.value=index;
>     form.submit();
>     return Perform("results.view");
>     }
> 
>     function Perform1(language){
>     var form = document.forms[0];
>     form.langchoice.value=language;
>     form.submit();
>     return Perform('results.lang');
>     }
>     </script>
> 
> 
> 
> ===============================================
> RIK PANGANIBAN Communications Coordinator
> Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations 
> (CONGO)
> web: http://www.ngocongo.org
> email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
> 
> ** Please note CONGO's new mailing address: *CP 50, 1211 Gen?ve 20, 
> Switzerland.*  Our physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 1st 

> Floor, 1202 Gen?ve, Switzerland. **
> 

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From herve at info.unicaen.fr  Thu Jan  6 14:29:06 2005
From: herve at info.unicaen.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Herv=E9_Le_Crosnier?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
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References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050106133530.01d872f0@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk> <41DD4318.4070509@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
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>> I think there is a basic misunderstanding: the query system does work. 
>> But a query system that does not give access to the documents located 
>> is, shall we say, of limited utility.
>>

	Well, i agree with Jonathan,

	But before flamming, does someone succeed with
	IE to access the full document ?

	As I told in my previous message, i think that the
	javascript is OK, even in Mozilla, Firefox and co...

	The problem is with the back-office system that
	send the unique document somebody need after his search.

	There are other problems with accessibility, and
	more, color and design are ugly... but that's another
	though important, question.

	I think that even with IE, the system don't work
	today... can someone try this ?

	The question i raised in my previous mail is about
	openess of document access, and capacity for anyone
	to use the backend to access documents, ... so it
	means as a corrolary to fullfill standards.

	And to have "decisionary persons" to clarify the
	objectives of an information system, not only to
	let the techies do what they want.

Herv? Le Crosnier

From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Thu Jan  6 14:49:08 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: Fw: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document system, and
 lessons for  information diffusion
In-Reply-To: 
 <OF3B6BBB99.4B914FB9-ONC1256F81.004D67B8-C1256F81.004E0ED6@unctad.org>
References: 
 <OF3B6BBB99.4B914FB9-ONC1256F81.004D67B8-C1256F81.004E0ED6@unctad.org>
Message-ID: <p06200714be030048b4f1@[192.168.1.251]>

i'll stay with Firefox, thanks.

Robert


At 3:12 PM +0100 1/6/05, Kouraich.Jaouahdou@unctad.org wrote:
>Hi,
>
>The ODS site works without any problem with a browser like "Fast Browser".
>
>You can download it from : http://www.fastbrowser.net/download.html
>More on "Fast Browser" on: http://www.fastbrowser.net/index.html

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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Thu Jan  6 14:41:50 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
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Georg C. F. Greve ha scritto:
>  rp> Regards to all and Happy Transparent and Accessible New Year.
> 
> I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the documents,
> others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on Windows
> and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft and is
> using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
> 
> Could someone else please confirm whether this effect also exists for
> them or whether this is some odd freak-incident that I have been
> seeing?

I decided to do some voluntary consultancy work for the United Nations and 
tested the site with some different browsers and operating systems 
(fortunately I had everything at hand). I went to the home page, clicked 
on "Welcome", then on the "Simple Search" button, tried a full text search 
for "internet governance", and then tried to browse the results.

Here's the outcome:

Internet Explorer 6/Windows 2000: OK
Firefox 1.0/Windows 2000: NO - you can perform a search and get to the 
results page, but when you click on the Javascript link to see a document 
the results page is reloaded, rather than opening the document.
Opera 7.54/Windows 2000: OK
Mozilla 1.7.3/Windows 2000: NO - (unsurprisingly) same as Firefox
Safari 1.2.4/Mac OS X 10.3.7: NO - same as Firefox
Internet Explorer 5.2/Mac OS X 10.3.7: NO - when you submit the search 
form, you get an error page with "NotesView error '80040fa0' - Notes 
error: Query is not understandable" (LOL)
Lynx 2.8.5/Linux 2.6.8.1: NO - from the welcome page you can't get to the 
search, since the "search" buttons are not also marked as links

So it looks like it's not transparent and accessible at all...

What it's most ridiculous (or sad) about this is that solving most of 
these problems only requires an average level of webmastering skills in 
terms of building accessible websites.

Also, some design choices (for example the use of Javascript to link from 
the results page to the single document page, or the use of buttons rather 
than links to get to the search form) are completely unnecessary and do 
not enhance the user experience in any way. But even if you wanted to keep 
them, it would only require some care to make them usable with all 
browsers and systems.
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From martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar  Thu Jan  6 15:09:57 2005
From: martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar (Martin Olivera)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document system, and  lessons for information diffusion
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050106121141.01e7d468@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20050106150957.18534.qmail@web52305.mail.yahoo.com>

 --- Jonathan Cave <j.a.k.cave@warwick.ac.uk>
escribi?: 
> Hi!
> 
> I am using Firefox 1.0 on an XP pro system and get
> the same problem. 


Hi! I am a software engineer and web programmer, adn
the problem in UN document site as you told is the "M$
Internet Explorer"-biased javascript.

It has no sense doing in that way regarding the
increasing market-share of other browsers like Firefox
(due to several critical security failures of MS IE).

I have only two explanatins:

1) UN web programmers know nothing about WWW
standards, field testing and software diversity, so UN
and all of us in WSIS-CS are in problems...

2) <paranoia mode> They do know and programmed it in a
MS-biased way as part of the confidential agreements,
so we have a serious problem </paranoia mode>

> Pursuing a bit deeper, Javascript console (latest)
> reports:
> 
> Error: langSel has no properties
> Source File:
> http://documents.un.org/javascript/query.js
> Line: 1839
> 
> The ODS does, of course, work with IE. This is a
> poor show, since it is 
> neither necessary nor appropriate to endorse a
> proprietary 'standard' over 
> a real one. It also raises other questions - for
> instance, I'd guess that 
> Brazilian government personnel might be absolutely
> unable to access this site.

You're right. Most brazilian government personnel uses
Software Livre, not Microsoft.
 
> 
> I look forward either to a redesign 
it should be so


> or an explicit
> statement on the banner 
> page saying that the site only works with IE.

NO, NO, NO!
Why must I, a World citizen, to purchase a product of
any company to see UN docs, if there are a lot of
options using Free/Libre Software for that in the
Internet, and the WWW is standardized by W3C.org???? 
(ok, I know that Microsoft Internet Explorer is free
as free beer, but it only works on Microsoft Windows,
the operating system, that it is NOT free)
 
> 
> Cheers,
cheers!

Martin
> 
> J.
>  

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From j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk  Thu Jan  6 15:12:15 2005
From: j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk (Jonathan Cave)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: Fw: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document system, and
  lessons for information diffusion
In-Reply-To: <OF3B6BBB99.4B914FB9-ONC1256F81.004D67B8-C1256F81.004E0ED6@
 unctad.org>
References: <OF3B6BBB99.4B914FB9-ONC1256F81.004D67B8-C1256F81.004E0ED6@unctad.org>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050106145631.043d6640@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>

Not to belabour the obvious, but FastBrowser is (and I quote from a 
web-site on disability-enhanced browsers):

"a FREE download which provides an alternate interface to Microsoft's 
Internet Explorer browser with additional functionality built in"

Or, from the FastBrowser.net FAQ:

" The fastest web browser on earth with an improved surfing engine based on 
Microsoft Internet Explorer."

Moreover, the system requirements stipulate 
(http://www.fastbrowser.net/faq.html):

"You will need a Pentium 166 PC or higher, 16MB RAM or more. The operating 
system should be Windows 98, Windows 2000, Windows ME or Windows XP, and 
Internet Explorer 4.01 or higher version."

... in other words, part of the IE proprietary 'standard'

J.


At 14:12 06/01/2005, you wrote:

>Hi,
>
>The ODS site works without any problem with a browser like "Fast Browser".
>
>You can download it from : http://www.fastbrowser.net/download.html
>More on "Fast Browser" on: http://www.fastbrowser.net/index.html
>
>Kouraich
>
>
>
>
>Ramin Kaweh
>
>06.01.2005 14:54
>
>         To:        Kouraich Jaouahdou/GVA/UNCTAD@UNCTAD-NOTES
>         cc:
>         Subject:        Fw: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document 
> system, and lessons for information diffusion
>
>
>
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>Ramin Kaweh
>Programme Officer
>UN-NGLS (Non-Governmental Liaison Service)
>Palais des Nations
>1211 Geneva 10
>Switzerland
>tel:  0041.22. 917 2078
>fax: 0041.22. 917 0432
>ramin.kaweh@unctad.org
>www.un-ngls.org
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>
>
>
>----- Forwarded by Ramin Kaweh/GVA/UNCTAD on 06.01.2005 14:54 -----
>Andy Carvin <acarvin@edc.org>
>Sent by: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org
>
>06.01.2005 14:35
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>         To:        plenary@wsis-cs.org
>         cc:
>         Subject:        Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document 
> system, and lessons for information diffusion
>
>
>Not sure if anyone has mentioned this aspect already, but the site fails
>even the most basic Web accessibility standards for the disabled (the
>W3C WAI standard). They don't even provide ALT tags for the graphics on
>the homepage.
>
>http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/bobbyServlet?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdocuments.un.org&gl=wcag1-aaa&test=
>
>If this had been a US govt site, it would have also failed to pass the
>Section 508 guidelines required by law to make all government sites have
>rudimentary accessibility.
>
>http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/bobbyServlet?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdocuments.un.org&gl=sec508&test=
>
>ac
>
>Rik Panganiban wrote:
> > Thanks everyone for your detailed feedback on the ODS system. I am in
> > touch with some United Nations folks about this, who are also concerned
> > about the non-compatibility of the code. Indeed it would be strange if
> > the UN did not comply with internationally-accepted standards.
> >
> > Rik Panganiban
> >
> > On Jan 6, 2005, at 5:14 AM, Herv? Le Crosnier wrote:
> >
> >     Georg C. F. Greve a ?crit :
> >
> >         rp> The ODS can be accessed at http://documents.un.org.
> >
> >
> >         I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the
> >         documents,
> >         others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on
> >         Windows
> >         and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft and is
> >         using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
> >         Could someone else please confirm whether this effect also
> >         exists for
> >         them or whether this is some odd freak-incident that I have been
> >         seeing?
> >
> >
> >
> >     Hello,
> >
> >     I've also try the UN doc system.
> >
> >     To me it don't work either...
> >
> >     This answer is not a technical one
> >     (though i give technical advice), but rather
> >     a short insight on the way we have to deal
> >     with information in the information society.
> >
> >
> >     The UN site seems intersting... but what a poor realisation.
> >     Ugly style... and more : it don't work.
> >
> >     Why ?
> >
> >     Why do they use such a complicated system only to
> >     return back the id of the document we need ?
> >     At the end of this mail is the javascript code they use...
> >     it's not useful, but i think it will work with my Mozilla
> >     on Linux... So the problem is not that one.
> >
> >     Where's the problem... that's a good question. Not only
> >     a geek one. What are the criterions such a rich and
> >     powerful body as UN use to assess an information system ?
> >
> >     It works on the developer computer, so it have to work
> >     for everyone ?
> >
> >     So many times international recognized standards are not in
> >     use... and more, standard of practice and programming skills
> >     are not used by developpers of international and wide-world
> >     information systems.
> >
> >     It's a long way to have head of administrative
> >     structures to survey their own systems, and to be sure
> >     they work for anyone (from the visually-impaired to the users
> >     of others systems). They don't have the skills... OK,
> >     that's not their job. But they have to hire good analysts,
> >     to provide system-control check lists, have independant
> >     watchers (never ask the developper to test his own system...).
> >
> >     That's really "information society". As we go to give more and
> >     more power to system wide coders, we have to define new
> >     skills and practices for assessing those systems. And that's a
> >     new kind of "governance", and may be of "government".
> >
> >     Free software, as it give the ability to learn and share
> >     skills, and the capacity for any nation to develop it's
> >     own computer science economy, are a good tool for this
> >     new conception of responsability of public providers of
> >     information to ensure that any users can get access and
> >     have satisfaction with the systems they propose to the public.
> >
> >     Herv? Le Crosnier
> >
> >     PS : here is the javascript code... the problem is not there, but
> >     merely in the retunr asp programm...
> >
> >     My two cents technical advice :
> >     Give away Front page, use any front-end
> >     to the UN database, publish the API to
> >     access the database (or any other data
> >     collected system to use)... and in a minute
> >     tens of programmers will add access to the
> >     UN documents in their own systems !!!
> >
> >     Freeing the public national or international
> >     documents is not a question of publishing them,
> >     but of organising the acccess for any "publisher"
> >     (private or cooperative, or even other national
> >     or international bodies) to integrate those documents
> >     in their services.
> >
> >     Look at the way commercial systems as Amazon
> >     offer that kind of API, and the massive use
> >     all over very different kind of web prducers.
> >
> >     Look at the success of RSS,...
> >
> >     Yes building information societies is also a
> >     problem of opening access to digital documents.
> >     And we need to teach those who are in charge of
> >     deciding that it's not a "technical" problem they
> >     have to give to a technical staff, but it's also
> >     a political problem they have to deal with.
> >
> >     "Code is Law" as say Larry Lessig.
> >
> >     --------------------------------------
> >     <script language="javascript">
> >     function Perform(action_name) {
> >     var form = document.forms[0];
> >     form.lastevent.value=action_name;
> >     form.submit();
> >     return true;
> >     }
> >
> >     function ViewDoc(index) {
> >     var form = document.forms[0];
> >     form.doc2view.value=index;
> >     form.submit();
> >     return Perform("results.view");
> >     }
> >
> >     function Perform1(language){
> >     var form = document.forms[0];
> >     form.langchoice.value=language;
> >     form.submit();
> >     return Perform('results.lang');
> >     }
> >     </script>
> >
> >
> >
> > ===============================================
> > RIK PANGANIBAN Communications Coordinator
> > Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations
> > (CONGO)
> > web: http://www.ngocongo.org
> > email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> > mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
> >
> > ** Please note CONGO's new mailing address: *CP 50, 1211 Gen?ve 20,
> > Switzerland.*  Our physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 1st
> > Floor, 1202 Gen?ve, Switzerland. **
> >
>
>--
>-----------------------------------
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>Program Director
>EDC Center for Media & Community
>acarvin @ edc . org
>http://www.digitaldivide.net
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From lists at mraihi.com  Thu Jan  6 15:14:10 2005
From: lists at mraihi.com (Marouen MRAIHI)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <41DD4B32.8000703@info.unicaen.fr>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050106133530.01d872f0@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>
    <41DD4318.4070509@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca> <41DD4B32.8000703@info.unicaen.fr>
Message-ID: <23917.213.150.189.250.1105024450.squirrel@213.150.189.250>

Yes it works under IE 6.0 . I made a research using "logiciels libres" and
I was able to download a Word document and to have a look on the PDF
version online.

It's funny because the document I found (ref. A/59/558) was about :

"Information and communications technology strategy

Strengthening the Department of Public Information, within the existing
capacity, in order to support and enhance the United Nations web site in
all official languages of the Organization: status of implementation"

Interresting point concerning Open source :

"Implementation
?	Enterprise resource planning systems
?	Common application solutions
?	Open source software
?	Knowledge sharing
?	Web management and content
?	United Nations system directory
?	ICT assets; procurement and disposal"

and at the end :

" Web Development and Webcasting Unit : Total (25 established posts and 3
temporary) "

Marouen
http://www.mraihi.com




On Thu, January 6, 2005 3:29 pm, Herv? Le Crosnier said:
>
>>> I think there is a basic misunderstanding: the query system does work.
>>> But a query system that does not give access to the documents located
>>> is, shall we say, of limited utility.
>>>
>
> 	Well, i agree with Jonathan,
>
> 	But before flamming, does someone succeed with
> 	IE to access the full document ?
>
> 	As I told in my previous message, i think that the
> 	javascript is OK, even in Mozilla, Firefox and co...
>
> 	The problem is with the back-office system that
> 	send the unique document somebody need after his search.
>
> 	There are other problems with accessibility, and
> 	more, color and design are ugly... but that's another
> 	though important, question.
>
> 	I think that even with IE, the system don't work
> 	today... can someone try this ?
>
> 	The question i raised in my previous mail is about
> 	openess of document access, and capacity for anyone
> 	to use the backend to access documents, ... so it
> 	means as a corrolary to fullfill standards.
>
> 	And to have "decisionary persons" to clarify the
> 	objectives of an information system, not only to
> 	let the techies do what they want.
>
> Herv? Le Crosnier
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From martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar  Thu Jan  6 15:16:05 2005
From: martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar (Martin Olivera)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: Fw: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document system, and lessons for information diffusion
In-Reply-To: <OF3B6BBB99.4B914FB9-ONC1256F81.004D67B8-C1256F81.004E0ED6@unctad.org>
Message-ID: <20050106151605.80398.qmail@web52309.mail.yahoo.com>

 --- Kouraich.Jaouahdou@unctad.org escribi?: 
> Hi, 
> 
> The ODS site works without any problem with a
> browser like "Fast Browser". 
> 
> 
> You can download it from :
> http://www.fastbrowser.net/download.html

It is the same problem...

>From FastBrowser site:
"What is the system requirement?

You will need a Pentium 166 PC or higher, 16MB RAM or
more. The operating system should be Windows 98,
Windows 2000, Windows ME or Windows XP, and Internet
Explorer 4.01 or higher version."



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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Thu Jan  6 15:06:06 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <41DD4E2E.6000809@bertola.eu.org>
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
 <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41DD4E2E.6000809@bertola.eu.org>
Message-ID: <p06200716be0303db8b5d@[192.168.1.251]>

trying to be productive...

Any way we can communicate the results of our "tests" to the relevant 
UN Officials so that they can perhaps try to fix it ASAP.

If they can not, then i would suggest that we start the process of 
formulating a formal press release to inform the world about the lack 
of standards..

regards

Robert

At 3:41 PM +0100 1/6/05, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>Georg C. F. Greve ha scritto:
>>  rp> Regards to all and Happy Transparent and Accessible New Year.
>>
>>I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the documents,
>>others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on Windows
>>and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft and is
>>using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.

-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From rikp at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  6 15:36:22 2005
From: rikp at earthlink.net (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <p06200716be0303db8b5d@[192.168.1.251]>
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41DD4E2E.6000809@bertola.eu.org> <p06200716be0303db8b5d@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <B80EB103-5FF8-11D9-8FF6-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>

Robert, et al,

I'm already on this and am bringing some people at the UN in the loop.  
I am happy to compile people's feedback and suggestions and put it to 
the UN technical people directly.

I urge folks for the time being not to start a media-flurry on this 
before we get some kind of response from the UN.  If they ignore or 
dismiss our criticisms then we can start taking to the airwaves.  My 
guess is that the German coalition folks have already alerted their 
media contacts.

The truly sad part about this is that if the UN IT people had 
beta-released this and asked for volunteers to run it through its 
paces, folks would have jumped at the chance to help out.  Instead they 
put out a product that doesn't work for a large population of users.  
So they make themselves vulnerable to criticism and accusations of 
cozying up to Microsoft.

Rik Panganiban

On Jan 6, 2005, at 10:06 AM, Robert Guerra wrote:

> trying to be productive...
>
> Any way we can communicate the results of our "tests" to the relevant 
> UN Officials so that they can perhaps try to fix it ASAP.
>
> If they can not, then i would suggest that we start the process of 
> formulating a formal press release to inform the world about the lack 
> of standards..
>
> regards
>
> Robert
>
> At 3:41 PM +0100 1/6/05, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>> Georg C. F. Greve ha scritto:
>>>  rp> Regards to all and Happy Transparent and Accessible New Year.
>>>
>>> I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the documents,
>>> others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on Windows
>>> and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft and is
>>> using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
>
> -- 
> ###
> Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
> Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>
>
===============================================
RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations 
(CONGO)
web: http://www.ngocongo.org
email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524

** Please note CONGO's new mailing address: CP 50, 1211 Gen?ve 20, 
Switzerland.? Our physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 1st 
Floor, 1202 Gen?ve, Switzerland. **
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From mclauglm at po.muohio.edu  Thu Jan  6 15:42:54 2005
From: mclauglm at po.muohio.edu (mclauglm@po.muohio.edu)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <B80EB103-5FF8-11D9-8FF6-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <p06010200be030c47e4cf@[192.168.1.100]>

Rik, thanks as always for your wonderful help "on 
the ground." Just a comment regarding the UN 
agencies making themselves vulnerable to 
accusations that they are cozy with Microsoft: In 
the interest of transparency it might be best to 
just acknowledge that they *are* cozied up and 
cozying up to Microsoft. Whether or not this 
accounts for the present problem may be another 
question, but as the saying goes, if it looks 
like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

Cheers,

Lisa


>Robert, et al,
>
>I'm already on this and am bringing some people 
>at the UN in the loop.  I am happy to compile 
>people's feedback and suggestions and put it to 
>the UN technical people directly.
>
>I urge folks for the time being not to start a 
>media-flurry on this before we get some kind of 
>response from the UN.  If they ignore or dismiss 
>our criticisms then we can start taking to the 
>airwaves.  My guess is that the German coalition 
>folks have already alerted their media contacts.
>
>The truly sad part about this is that if the UN 
>IT people had beta-released this and asked for 
>volunteers to run it through its paces, folks 
>would have jumped at the chance to help out. 
>Instead they put out a product that doesn't work 
>for a large population of users.  So they make 
>themselves vulnerable to criticism and 
>accusations of cozying up to Microsoft.
>
>Rik Panganiban
>
>On Jan 6, 2005, at 10:06 AM, Robert Guerra wrote:
>
>>trying to be productive...
>>
>>Any way we can communicate the results of our 
>>"tests" to the relevant UN Officials so that 
>>they can perhaps try to fix it ASAP.
>>
>>If they can not, then i would suggest that we 
>>start the process of formulating a formal press 
>>release to inform the world about the lack of 
>>standards..
>>
>>regards
>>
>>Robert
>>
>>At 3:41 PM +0100 1/6/05, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>>>Georg C. F. Greve ha scritto:
>>>>  rp> Regards to all and Happy Transparent and Accessible New Year.
>>>>
>>>>I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the documents,
>>>>others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on Windows
>>>>and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft and is
>>>>using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
>>
>>--
>>###
>>Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
>>Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Plenary mailing list
>>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>>
>>
>===============================================
>RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
>Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship 
>with the United Nations (CONGO)
>web: http://www.ngocongo.org
>email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
>mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
>
>** Please note CONGO's new mailing address: CP 
>50, 1211 Gen?ve 20, Switzerland.  Our physical 
>office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 1st 
>Floor, 1202 Gen?ve, Switzerland. **


From correia.rui at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 15:47:26 2005
From: correia.rui at gmail.com (Rui Correia)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Suggestions on the UN site problem
In-Reply-To: <p06200716be0303db8b5d@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <004601c4f407$08e04380$0100a8c0@Laptop>

Thanks Robert

 -----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On Behalf
Of Robert Guerra
 
trying to be productive...

Any way we can communicate the results of our "tests" to the relevant 
UN Officials so that they can perhaps try to fix it ASAP.

If they can not, then i would suggest that we start the process of 
formulating a formal press release to inform the world about the lack 
of standards..

regards

Robert
--------------------------------------------------------------
Dear All

It has been established beyond all doubt that a number of UN agencies have
struck deals with M$ that would not exactly earn them any awards for
transparency and public debate. It now transpires that the UN document
system also favours those using M$ platforms.

 

Yes, I do think we as CS should do something about this, to answer Martin
Olivera's question. As for Robert's question about it being too late, let's
see what the legal experts come up with.

 

SUGGESTION: For the time being, we could consider gathering all the evidence
in a separate location (off this list) so we all get a good picture of what
M$ is up to. The irony is that quite a few of these deals were explored/
negotiated/ finalised at WSIS forums!! Angola did at PrepCom III in
September: http://fr.allafrica.com/stories/200309260534.html 

Best regards

Rui
________________________________________________
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Advocacy, Media and Language Consultant
36 Finch St,
Ontdekkers Park, Roodepoort,
Johannesburg, South Africa
Tel/ Fax (+27-11) 766-4336
Cell (+27) (0) 83-368-1214




 


From ca at rits.org.br  Thu Jan  6 15:15:12 2005
From: ca at rits.org.br (Carlos Afonso)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Liberation/Francia: l'accord Microsoft-UNESCO
  - English translation
In-Reply-To: <p0620070cbe0200743824@[192.168.1.251]>
References: <003c01c4f334$e388d160$0100a8c0@Laptop> <41DC3FA0.2070406@rits.org.br> <p0620070cbe0200743824@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <41DD5600.8010202@rits.org.br>

You can be sure about it, Robert -- M$ is moving like a juggernaut in 
all fronts where they smell "social ICT inititatives" or "digital 
divide/inclusion" programs. The rather surprising thing is how rapidly 
multilateral and international government agencies rally around this, 
even ignoring important initiatives of their own pointing in the other 
direction, and above all not consulting with their constituencies in the 
South (which are what justify these organizations' existence after all).

fraternal rgds

--c.a.

Robert Guerra wrote:

> UNDP signed the agreement at the WSIS summit - and wasn't caught by 
> many until months after. That we are reacting quicker to the UNESCO 
> development is good, but too late?
>
> In regards to IDRC, do we know if any other "agreements" have been 
> signed between M$ and other development agencies? If so, it would be 
> an - expected -  political move by M$ to stop the success of open 
> source software deployment.
>
> regards
>
> Robert
>
>
> At 5:27 PM -0200 1/5/05, Carlos Afonso wrote:
>
>> Unesco remains totally silent regarding critiques or requests for 
>> clarification on this agreement. By the way, UNDP and IDRC have 
>> signed similar agreements with M$. Ah, the power of money...
>>
>> --c.a.
>
>

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From ca at rits.org.br  Thu Jan  6 15:09:55 2005
From: ca at rits.org.br (Carlos Afonso)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Liberation/Francia: l'accord  Microsoft-UNESCO
 - English translation
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050105214508.034918f8@198.111.183.129>
References: <003c01c4f334$e388d160$0100a8c0@Laptop> <41DC3FA0.2070406@rits.org.br> <6.2.0.14.2.20050105214508.034918f8@198.111.183.129>
Message-ID: <41DD54C3.8090901@rits.org.br>

... and so does Unesco, which has important FOSS undertakings in Latin 
America. It seems the Paris folks do not connect well with their Latin 
American counterparts ;)

--c.a.

veni markovski wrote:

> At 17:27 05-01-2005 -0200, Carlos Afonso wrote:
>
>> Unesco remains totally silent regarding critiques or requests for 
>> clarification on this agreement. By the way, UNDP and IDRC have 
>> signed similar agreements with M$. Ah, the power of money...
>
>
> btw, UNDP also is having projects on Free and Open Source Software - 
> see http://www.foss.bg
>
> best,
> veni
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From j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk  Thu Jan  6 16:02:16 2005
From: j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk (Jonathan Cave)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <p06010200be030c47e4cf@[192.168.1.100]>
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
 <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
 <41DD4E2E.6000809@bertola.eu.org>
 <p06200716be0303db8b5d@[192.168.1.251]>
 <B80EB103-5FF8-11D9-8FF6-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
 <p06010200be030c47e4cf@[192.168.1.100]>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050106155444.01ddace0@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>

Thanks to Rik for a balanced and useful intervention and to all others 
participating.

There are lots of people/entities cozying up to M$ - this is part of the 
'natural' winner-takes-all dynamics of proprietary standards (early leads 
are hard to overcome and can become de facto standards). It is certainly a 
conscious part of M$ strategy.

 From the European perspective, it is interesting that the IE-free version 
of Windows required by the settlement with M$ probably would not work with 
ODS either.

But the bottom line is network externalities: the more who use this 
'standard' the more dominant it becomes. This can justify lots of apparent 
altruism: giving SW to 'public' organisations, schools etc.; cooperatively 
developing new applications for 'worthy' recipients; endowing 
higher-education institutions and research; and even turning a blind eye to 
'IPR violations' - as long as the knock-on effects of these 'loss leaders' 
bring lots of new customers who have to interact with the recipients of 
this generosity, it pays for itself.

Rik is absolutely right about the values of openness, transparency and 
involving users in product development. Perhaps this could be ca concrete 
CS recommendation for eGovernment and eParticipation initiatives that use 
the Internet.

Cheers,

J.

At 15:42 06/01/2005, you wrote:
>Rik, thanks as always for your wonderful help "on the ground." Just a 
>comment regarding the UN agencies making themselves vulnerable to 
>accusations that they are cozy with Microsoft: In the interest of 
>transparency it might be best to just acknowledge that they *are* cozied 
>up and cozying up to Microsoft. Whether or not this accounts for the 
>present problem may be another question, but as the saying goes, if it 
>looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Lisa
>
>
>>Robert, et al,
>>
>>I'm already on this and am bringing some people at the UN in the loop.  I 
>>am happy to compile people's feedback and suggestions and put it to the 
>>UN technical people directly.
>>
>>I urge folks for the time being not to start a media-flurry on this 
>>before we get some kind of response from the UN.  If they ignore or 
>>dismiss our criticisms then we can start taking to the airwaves.  My 
>>guess is that the German coalition folks have already alerted their media 
>>contacts.
>>
>>The truly sad part about this is that if the UN IT people had 
>>beta-released this and asked for volunteers to run it through its paces, 
>>folks would have jumped at the chance to help out. Instead they put out a 
>>product that doesn't work for a large population of users.  So they make 
>>themselves vulnerable to criticism and accusations of cozying up to Microsoft.
>>
>>Rik Panganiban
>>
>>On Jan 6, 2005, at 10:06 AM, Robert Guerra wrote:
>>
>>>trying to be productive...
>>>
>>>Any way we can communicate the results of our "tests" to the relevant UN 
>>>Officials so that they can perhaps try to fix it ASAP.
>>>
>>>If they can not, then i would suggest that we start the process of 
>>>formulating a formal press release to inform the world about the lack of 
>>>standards..
>>>
>>>regards
>>>
>>>Robert
>>>
>>>At 3:41 PM +0100 1/6/05, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>>>>Georg C. F. Greve ha scritto:
>>>>>  rp> Regards to all and Happy Transparent and Accessible New Year.
>>>>>
>>>>>I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the documents,
>>>>>others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on Windows
>>>>>and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft and is
>>>>>using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
>>>
>>>--
>>>###
>>>Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
>>>Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Plenary mailing list
>>>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>>>
>>===============================================
>>RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
>>Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations 
>>(CONGO)
>>web: http://www.ngocongo.org
>>email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
>>mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
>>
>>** Please note CONGO's new mailing address: CP 50, 1211 Gen?ve 20, 
>>Switzerland.  Our physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 1st 
>>Floor, 1202 Gen?ve, Switzerland. **
>
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From ca at rits.org.br  Thu Jan  6 16:14:04 2005
From: ca at rits.org.br (Carlos Afonso)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document system, and lessons for
 information diffusion
In-Reply-To: <41DD3EA3.8070403@edc.org>
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>  <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41DD0F74.10405@info.unicaen.fr> <94E7585A-5FDD-11D9-B32C-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> <41DD3EA3.8070403@edc.org>
Message-ID: <41DD63CC.9020601@rits.org.br>

Andy, this is typical of most web sites, unfortunately - not only the 
designers ignore the WAI recommendations (many do not even bother to 
know about them), but usually only test it on Microsoft Internet 
Explorer, or another browser under Windows using the Microsoft 
pseudo-Java virtual machine. And their project managers are even more 
ignorant of it (either in the sense of not knowing or just deliberately 
ignoring it).

It is indeed incredible the UN seems not to worry about these issues.

rgds

--c.a.

Andy Carvin wrote:

> Not sure if anyone has mentioned this aspect already, but the site 
> fails even the most basic Web accessibility standards for the disabled 
> (the W3C WAI standard). They don't even provide ALT tags for the 
> graphics on the homepage.
>
> http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/bobbyServlet?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdocuments.un.org&gl=wcag1-aaa&test= 
>
>
> If this had been a US govt site, it would have also failed to pass the 
> Section 508 guidelines required by law to make all government sites 
> have rudimentary accessibility.
>
> http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/bobbyServlet?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdocuments.un.org&gl=sec508&test= 
>
>
> ac
>
> Rik Panganiban wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone for your detailed feedback on the ODS system. I am in 
>> touch with some United Nations folks about this, who are also 
>> concerned about the non-compatibility of the code. Indeed it would be 
>> strange if the UN did not comply with internationally-accepted 
>> standards.
>>
>> Rik Panganiban
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2005, at 5:14 AM, Herv? Le Crosnier wrote:
>>
>>     Georg C. F. Greve a ?crit :
>>
>>         rp> The ODS can be accessed at http://documents.un.org.
>>
>>
>>         I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the
>>         documents,
>>         others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on
>>         Windows
>>         and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft 
>> and is
>>         using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
>>         Could someone else please confirm whether this effect also
>>         exists for
>>         them or whether this is some odd freak-incident that I have been
>>         seeing?
>>
>>
>>
>>     Hello,
>>
>>     I've also try the UN doc system.
>>
>>     To me it don't work either...
>>
>>     This answer is not a technical one
>>     (though i give technical advice), but rather
>>     a short insight on the way we have to deal
>>     with information in the information society.
>>
>>
>>     The UN site seems intersting... but what a poor realisation.
>>     Ugly style... and more : it don't work.
>>
>>     Why ?
>>
>>     Why do they use such a complicated system only to
>>     return back the id of the document we need ?
>>     At the end of this mail is the javascript code they use...
>>     it's not useful, but i think it will work with my Mozilla
>>     on Linux... So the problem is not that one.
>>
>>     Where's the problem... that's a good question. Not only
>>     a geek one. What are the criterions such a rich and
>>     powerful body as UN use to assess an information system ?
>>
>>     It works on the developer computer, so it have to work
>>     for everyone ?
>>
>>     So many times international recognized standards are not in
>>     use... and more, standard of practice and programming skills
>>     are not used by developpers of international and wide-world
>>     information systems.
>>
>>     It's a long way to have head of administrative
>>     structures to survey their own systems, and to be sure
>>     they work for anyone (from the visually-impaired to the users
>>     of others systems). They don't have the skills... OK,
>>     that's not their job. But they have to hire good analysts,
>>     to provide system-control check lists, have independant
>>     watchers (never ask the developper to test his own system...).
>>
>>     That's really "information society". As we go to give more and
>>     more power to system wide coders, we have to define new
>>     skills and practices for assessing those systems. And that's a
>>     new kind of "governance", and may be of "government".
>>
>>     Free software, as it give the ability to learn and share
>>     skills, and the capacity for any nation to develop it's
>>     own computer science economy, are a good tool for this
>>     new conception of responsability of public providers of
>>     information to ensure that any users can get access and
>>     have satisfaction with the systems they propose to the public.
>>
>>     Herv? Le Crosnier
>>
>>     PS : here is the javascript code... the problem is not there, but
>>     merely in the retunr asp programm...
>>
>>     My two cents technical advice :
>>     Give away Front page, use any front-end
>>     to the UN database, publish the API to
>>     access the database (or any other data
>>     collected system to use)... and in a minute
>>     tens of programmers will add access to the
>>     UN documents in their own systems !!!
>>
>>     Freeing the public national or international
>>     documents is not a question of publishing them,
>>     but of organising the acccess for any "publisher"
>>     (private or cooperative, or even other national
>>     or international bodies) to integrate those documents
>>     in their services.
>>
>>     Look at the way commercial systems as Amazon
>>     offer that kind of API, and the massive use
>>     all over very different kind of web prducers.
>>
>>     Look at the success of RSS,...
>>
>>     Yes building information societies is also a
>>     problem of opening access to digital documents.
>>     And we need to teach those who are in charge of
>>     deciding that it's not a "technical" problem they
>>     have to give to a technical staff, but it's also
>>     a political problem they have to deal with.
>>
>>     "Code is Law" as say Larry Lessig.
>>
>>     --------------------------------------
>>     <script language="javascript">
>>     function Perform(action_name) {
>>     var form = document.forms[0];
>>     form.lastevent.value=action_name;
>>     form.submit();
>>     return true;
>>     }
>>
>>     function ViewDoc(index) {
>>     var form = document.forms[0];
>>     form.doc2view.value=index;
>>     form.submit();
>>     return Perform("results.view");
>>     }
>>
>>     function Perform1(language){
>>     var form = document.forms[0];
>>     form.langchoice.value=language;
>>     form.submit();
>>     return Perform('results.lang');
>>     }
>>     </script>
>>
>>
>>
>> ===============================================
>> RIK PANGANIBAN Communications Coordinator
>> Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United 
>> Nations (CONGO)
>> web: http://www.ngocongo.org
>> email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
>> mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
>>
>> ** Please note CONGO's new mailing address: *CP 50, 1211 Gen?ve 20, 
>> Switzerland.*  Our physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 
>> 1st Floor, 1202 Gen?ve, Switzerland. **
>>
>

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From ca at rits.org.br  Thu Jan  6 16:22:42 2005
From: ca at rits.org.br (Carlos Afonso)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: Fw: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document system, and lessons
 for information diffusion
In-Reply-To: <OF3B6BBB99.4B914FB9-ONC1256F81.004D67B8-C1256F81.004E0ED6@unctad.org>
References: <OF3B6BBB99.4B914FB9-ONC1256F81.004D67B8-C1256F81.004E0ED6@unctad.org>
Message-ID: <41DD65D2.9000304@rits.org.br>

Sorry, Kouraich, but Fast Browser is little more than a new "skin" for 
MS Internet Explorer (it does not run without M$IE), and it works only 
on Windows machines.

--c.a.

Kouraich.Jaouahdou@unctad.org wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> The ODS site works without any problem with a browser like "Fast 
> Browser".
>
> You can download it from : http://www.fastbrowser.net/download.html
> More on "Fast Browser" on: http://www.fastbrowser.net/index.html
>
> Kouraich
>
>
>
>
>
> 	*Ramin Kaweh*
>
> 06.01.2005 14:54
>
> 	       
>         To:        Kouraich Jaouahdou/GVA/UNCTAD@UNCTAD-NOTES
>         cc:        
>         Subject:        Fw: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document 
> system, and lessons for information diffusion
>
>
>
>
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Ramin Kaweh
> Programme Officer
> UN-NGLS (Non-Governmental Liaison Service)
> Palais des Nations
> 1211 Geneva 10
> Switzerland
> tel:  0041.22. 917 2078
> fax: 0041.22. 917 0432
> ramin.kaweh@unctad.org
> www.un-ngls.org
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded by Ramin Kaweh/GVA/UNCTAD on 06.01.2005 14:54 -----
>
> 	*Andy Carvin <acarvin@edc.org>*
> Sent by: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org
>
> 06.01.2005 14:35
> Please respond to plenary
>
> 	       
>         To:        plenary@wsis-cs.org
>         cc:        
>         Subject:        Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document 
> system, and lessons for information diffusion
>
>
>
>
> Not sure if anyone has mentioned this aspect already, but the site fails
> even the most basic Web accessibility standards for the disabled (the
> W3C WAI standard). They don't even provide ALT tags for the graphics on
> the homepage.
>
> http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/bobbyServlet?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdocuments.un.org&gl=wcag1-aaa&test=
>
> If this had been a US govt site, it would have also failed to pass the
> Section 508 guidelines required by law to make all government sites have
> rudimentary accessibility.
>
> http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/bobbyServlet?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdocuments.un.org&gl=sec508&test=
>
> ac
>
> Rik Panganiban wrote:
> > Thanks everyone for your detailed feedback on the ODS system. I am in
> > touch with some United Nations folks about this, who are also concerned
> > about the non-compatibility of the code. Indeed it would be strange if
> > the UN did not comply with internationally-accepted standards.
> >
> > Rik Panganiban
> >
> > On Jan 6, 2005, at 5:14 AM, Herv? Le Crosnier wrote:
> >
> >     Georg C. F. Greve a ?crit :
> >
> >         rp> The ODS can be accessed at http://documents.un.org.
> >
> >
> >         I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the
> >         documents,
> >         others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on
> >         Windows
> >         and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft 
> and is
> >         using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
> >         Could someone else please confirm whether this effect also
> >         exists for
> >         them or whether this is some odd freak-incident that I have been
> >         seeing?
> >
> >
> >
> >     Hello,
> >
> >     I've also try the UN doc system.
> >
> >     To me it don't work either...
> >
> >     This answer is not a technical one
> >     (though i give technical advice), but rather
> >     a short insight on the way we have to deal
> >     with information in the information society.
> >
> >
> >     The UN site seems intersting... but what a poor realisation.
> >     Ugly style... and more : it don't work.
> >
> >     Why ?
> >
> >     Why do they use such a complicated system only to
> >     return back the id of the document we need ?
> >     At the end of this mail is the javascript code they use...
> >     it's not useful, but i think it will work with my Mozilla
> >     on Linux... So the problem is not that one.
> >
> >     Where's the problem... that's a good question. Not only
> >     a geek one. What are the criterions such a rich and
> >     powerful body as UN use to assess an information system ?
> >
> >     It works on the developer computer, so it have to work
> >     for everyone ?
> >
> >     So many times international recognized standards are not in
> >     use... and more, standard of practice and programming skills
> >     are not used by developpers of international and wide-world
> >     information systems.
> >
> >     It's a long way to have head of administrative
> >     structures to survey their own systems, and to be sure
> >     they work for anyone (from the visually-impaired to the users
> >     of others systems). They don't have the skills... OK,
> >     that's not their job. But they have to hire good analysts,
> >     to provide system-control check lists, have independant
> >     watchers (never ask the developper to test his own system...).
> >
> >     That's really "information society". As we go to give more and
> >     more power to system wide coders, we have to define new
> >     skills and practices for assessing those systems. And that's a
> >     new kind of "governance", and may be of "government".
> >
> >     Free software, as it give the ability to learn and share
> >     skills, and the capacity for any nation to develop it's
> >     own computer science economy, are a good tool for this
> >     new conception of responsability of public providers of
> >     information to ensure that any users can get access and
> >     have satisfaction with the systems they propose to the public.
> >
> >     Herv? Le Crosnier
> >
> >     PS : here is the javascript code... the problem is not there, but
> >     merely in the retunr asp programm...
> >
> >     My two cents technical advice :
> >     Give away Front page, use any front-end
> >     to the UN database, publish the API to
> >     access the database (or any other data
> >     collected system to use)... and in a minute
> >     tens of programmers will add access to the
> >     UN documents in their own systems !!!
> >
> >     Freeing the public national or international
> >     documents is not a question of publishing them,
> >     but of organising the acccess for any "publisher"
> >     (private or cooperative, or even other national
> >     or international bodies) to integrate those documents
> >     in their services.
> >
> >     Look at the way commercial systems as Amazon
> >     offer that kind of API, and the massive use
> >     all over very different kind of web prducers.
> >
> >     Look at the success of RSS,...
> >
> >     Yes building information societies is also a
> >     problem of opening access to digital documents.
> >     And we need to teach those who are in charge of
> >     deciding that it's not a "technical" problem they
> >     have to give to a technical staff, but it's also
> >     a political problem they have to deal with.
> >
> >     "Code is Law" as say Larry Lessig.
> >
> >     --------------------------------------
> >     <script language="javascript">
> >     function Perform(action_name) {
> >     var form = document.forms[0];
> >     form.lastevent.value=action_name;
> >     form.submit();
> >     return true;
> >     }
> >
> >     function ViewDoc(index) {
> >     var form = document.forms[0];
> >     form.doc2view.value=index;
> >     form.submit();
> >     return Perform("results.view");
> >     }
> >
> >     function Perform1(language){
> >     var form = document.forms[0];
> >     form.langchoice.value=language;
> >     form.submit();
> >     return Perform('results.lang');
> >     }
> >     </script>
> >
> >
> >
> > ===============================================
> > RIK PANGANIBAN Communications Coordinator
> > Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations
> > (CONGO)
> > web: http://www.ngocongo.org
> > email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> > mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
> >
> > ** Please note CONGO's new mailing address: *CP 50, 1211 Gen?ve 20,
> > Switzerland.*  Our physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 
> 1st
> > Floor, 1202 Gen?ve, Switzerland. **
> >
>
> -- 
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> Program Director
> EDC Center for Media & Community
> acarvin @ edc . org
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From herve at info.unicaen.fr  Thu Jan  6 16:45:12 2005
From: herve at info.unicaen.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Herv=E9_Le_Crosnier?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Old problem, new solutions
Message-ID: <41DD6B18.7080107@info.unicaen.fr>


	Another slant of the exchange concerning UN documentation
	site.

	The site is old. We discover the problem today because
	we are looking following an annoucment this morning.

	First, this mean that we are following the list, and
	very intersted by the information circulating on
	the list, though it's mostly a noisy list :-)))

	Second : we can't blame todays actors for thing that
	were donne long ago. Techies were not as sharp as now.
	I'm teaching webmastering, and if i look back to the
	way we teached our student years ago, we will certainly
	be afraid :-))

	The problem is the one of re-engineering.

	This problem is a perpetual one in an information society.

	So, as civil society, guided by users interest, we can give
	advice to gouvernemental or international bodies to
	be always sure that they will master their next re-ingeniering.

	- follow open standards, the most advanced at the lauch time
	  of a projet.
	- publish the specification of the systems (well it certainly
	  means free-software isn't it ?)
	- separate and always separate : n-tiers services can more
	  easily be subject to progress. Well this mean no one can
	  get a hold on a complex system. Good for freedom isn't it ?
	- publish API : the internet technologies are more than any
	  technology a testbed for new services, new usages and
	  revalorisation of existing services, documents and
	  technologies... It means that anyone can learn and test,
	  and learn by testing : an information society is a never
	  ending learning society.

	Those are not technical rants, only political insights
	of what is to be a free and open information society.

	Even at re_engineering time.

herv? Le Crosnier


From lists at mraihi.com  Thu Jan  6 17:21:16 2005
From: lists at mraihi.com (Marouen MRAIHI)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Old problem, new solutions
References: <41DD6B18.7080107@info.unicaen.fr>
Message-ID: <05e801c4f414$3d1731b0$6bfaa8c0@MAROUEN>

I agree with you on the "engineering" points but it's obvious that
engineering expertise needs funds and sometimes for many institutions
choosing a "turn key" approch is the solution to reach the objectives with
less costs and less technical "consultations".

Maybe what we have done today can be an example of cooperation between ICT
experts from the Civil society and an international organisation like the
UN. Unless we are going to send them a bill :) . And I'm sure that many NGOs
working on IT standards field will not refuse to offer the help if they are
kindly invited.

Marouen
http://www.mraihi.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Herv? Le Crosnier" <herve@info.unicaen.fr>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:45 PM
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Old problem, new solutions


>
>
> Another slant of the exchange concerning UN documentation
> site.
>
> The site is old. We discover the problem today because
> we are looking following an annoucment this morning.
>
> First, this mean that we are following the list, and
> very intersted by the information circulating on
> the list, though it's mostly a noisy list :-)))
>
> Second : we can't blame todays actors for thing that
> were donne long ago. Techies were not as sharp as now.
> I'm teaching webmastering, and if i look back to the
> way we teached our student years ago, we will certainly
> be afraid :-))
>
> The problem is the one of re-engineering.
>
> This problem is a perpetual one in an information society.
>
> So, as civil society, guided by users interest, we can give
> advice to gouvernemental or international bodies to
> be always sure that they will master their next re-ingeniering.
>
> - follow open standards, the most advanced at the lauch time
>   of a projet.
> - publish the specification of the systems (well it certainly
>   means free-software isn't it ?)
> - separate and always separate : n-tiers services can more
>   easily be subject to progress. Well this mean no one can
>   get a hold on a complex system. Good for freedom isn't it ?
> - publish API : the internet technologies are more than any
>   technology a testbed for new services, new usages and
>   revalorisation of existing services, documents and
>   technologies... It means that anyone can learn and test,
>   and learn by testing : an information society is a never
>   ending learning society.
>
> Those are not technical rants, only political insights
> of what is to be a free and open information society.
>
> Even at re_engineering time.
>
> herv? Le Crosnier
>
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From rk_iw at gmx.de  Thu Jan  6 17:36:19 2005
From: rk_iw at gmx.de (Rainer Kuhlen)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online]
Message-ID: <41DD7713.3010501@gmx.de>

sorry, this information was not correct, downloading documents - the 
same problems
RK

Rainer Kuhlen wrote:

> it [ODS]works with firefox
> RK
>
> Georg C. F. Greve wrote:
>





From rk_iw at gmx.de  Thu Jan  6 17:31:37 2005
From: rk_iw at gmx.de (Rainer Kuhlen)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
Message-ID: <41DD75F9.4030603@gmx.de>

it works with firefox
RK

Georg C. F. Greve wrote:

> || rp> The ODS can be accessed at http://documents.un.org.
> rp> [...]
> rp> I encourage you to get the word out to your own networks about this
> rp> important resource.
>
> rp> Regards to all and Happy Transparent and Accessible New Year.
>
>I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the documents,
>others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on Windows
>and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft and is
>using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
>
>Could someone else please confirm whether this effect also exists for
>them or whether this is some odd freak-incident that I have been
>seeing?
>
>Regards,
>Georg
>
>  
>

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From Bill.McIver at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca  Thu Jan  6 17:56:03 2005
From: Bill.McIver at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca (Bill McIver)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:16 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online 
In-Reply-To: <p06200716be0303db8b5d@[192.168.1.251]>
References: <p06200716be0303db8b5d@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <41DD7BB3.6030005@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>


All,

We should approach the issues separately.

I think the first two could be done quickly and
put into a report and a request.

The first is simply documenting a technical assessment of the problem.
What is the situation from a technical point of view?
There are a few sub issues here, including (but not limited to): 
accessibility, documenting browser/OS compatibility,
identifying the specific underlying markup and scripting language issues.

The second and more interesting issue is addressing the engineering and 
management processes
that allowed or resulted in this problem. We can jump to well-educated
conclusions around this, but this deserves a proper
investigation.  The standards perspective, for example, actually has
several dimensions. At least two deserve our attention:
one is the issue actually determining what policies, standards and processes
exist within the organizations that produced this system (and the UN as 
a whole).

*** Is it the case that they don't exist at all; they are incomplete;
     or they are being ignored?

The second dimension is the one of defacto or official standards
outside of the organization. Which ones are relevant here? Are they 
being used?
Of course, it's possible to have linkages between the two dimensions of 
standards.

The third issue would be one of addressing the political dimension, 
which relates more closely to
second issue above.
IMHO, this should be done separately and in context of WSIS.
This is part of what the community informatics language in
CS declaration attempted to address. That is, it relates to
engineering, policy and political dimensions simulatenously.
The first has all but been ignored in WSIS.

More importantly, this *type* of problem should be covered by the results of
the WGIG. This is the broader perspective of what IG means that some 
people where arguing
for in the first phase.



WJM


Robert Guerra wrote:

> trying to be productive...
>
> Any way we can communicate the results of our "tests" to the relevant
> UN Officials so that they can perhaps try to fix it ASAP.    
>
> If they can not, then i would suggest that we start the process of
> formulating a formal press release to inform the world about the lack
> of standards..
>
> regards
>
> Robert
>
> At 3:41 PM +0100 1/6/05, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
> >Georg C. F. Greve ha scritto:
> >>  rp> Regards to all and Happy Transparent and Accessible New Year.
> >>
> >>I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the documents,
> >>others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on Windows
> >>and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft and is
> >>using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
>
> -- 
> ###
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From: acarvin at edc.org (Andy Carvin)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document system, and lessons for
 information diffusion
In-Reply-To: <41DD63CC.9020601@rits.org.br>
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>   <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41DD0F74.10405@info.unicaen.fr>  <94E7585A-5FDD-11D9-B32C-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>  <41DD3EA3.8070403@edc.org> <41DD63CC.9020601@rits.org.br>
Message-ID: <41DD8876.8020803@edc.org>

While I'm never surprised with private sector or personal websites that 
have accessibility problems, it never ceases to amaze me when large 
public institutions have no understanding of the issue, or choose to 
ignore it. (It reminds me when the state of Florida published all of its 
hurricane preparedness information online this past autumn in PDF format 
only - totally useless to the blind.) I mean, all they needed were ALT 
tags and that would have alleviated most of the problems. It's just 
shameful...

ac

Carlos Afonso wrote:
> Andy, this is typical of most web sites, unfortunately - not only the 
> designers ignore the WAI recommendations (many do not even bother to 
> know about them), but usually only test it on Microsoft Internet 
> Explorer, or another browser under Windows using the Microsoft 
> pseudo-Java virtual machine. And their project managers are even more 
> ignorant of it (either in the sense of not knowing or just deliberately 
> ignoring it).
> 
> It is indeed incredible the UN seems not to worry about these issues.
> 
> rgds
> 
> --c.a.
> 
> Andy Carvin wrote:
> 
>> Not sure if anyone has mentioned this aspect already, but the site 
>> fails even the most basic Web accessibility standards for the disabled 
>> (the W3C WAI standard). They don't even provide ALT tags for the 
>> graphics on the homepage.
>>
>> http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/bobbyServlet?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdocuments.un.org&gl=wcag1-aaa&test= 
>>
>>
>> If this had been a US govt site, it would have also failed to pass the 
>> Section 508 guidelines required by law to make all government sites 
>> have rudimentary accessibility.
>>
>> http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/bobbyServlet?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdocuments.un.org&gl=sec508&test= 
>>
>>
>> ac
>>
>> Rik Panganiban wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks everyone for your detailed feedback on the ODS system. I am in 
>>> touch with some United Nations folks about this, who are also 
>>> concerned about the non-compatibility of the code. Indeed it would be 
>>> strange if the UN did not comply with internationally-accepted 
>>> standards.
>>>
>>> Rik Panganiban
>>>
>>> On Jan 6, 2005, at 5:14 AM, Herv? Le Crosnier wrote:
>>>
>>>     Georg C. F. Greve a ?crit :
>>>
>>>         rp> The ODS can be accessed at http://documents.un.org.
>>>
>>>
>>>         I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the
>>>         documents,
>>>         others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on
>>>         Windows
>>>         and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft 
>>> and is
>>>         using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
>>>         Could someone else please confirm whether this effect also
>>>         exists for
>>>         them or whether this is some odd freak-incident that I have been
>>>         seeing?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Hello,
>>>
>>>     I've also try the UN doc system.
>>>
>>>     To me it don't work either...
>>>
>>>     This answer is not a technical one
>>>     (though i give technical advice), but rather
>>>     a short insight on the way we have to deal
>>>     with information in the information society.
>>>
>>>
>>>     The UN site seems intersting... but what a poor realisation.
>>>     Ugly style... and more : it don't work.
>>>
>>>     Why ?
>>>
>>>     Why do they use such a complicated system only to
>>>     return back the id of the document we need ?
>>>     At the end of this mail is the javascript code they use...
>>>     it's not useful, but i think it will work with my Mozilla
>>>     on Linux... So the problem is not that one.
>>>
>>>     Where's the problem... that's a good question. Not only
>>>     a geek one. What are the criterions such a rich and
>>>     powerful body as UN use to assess an information system ?
>>>
>>>     It works on the developer computer, so it have to work
>>>     for everyone ?
>>>
>>>     So many times international recognized standards are not in
>>>     use... and more, standard of practice and programming skills
>>>     are not used by developpers of international and wide-world
>>>     information systems.
>>>
>>>     It's a long way to have head of administrative
>>>     structures to survey their own systems, and to be sure
>>>     they work for anyone (from the visually-impaired to the users
>>>     of others systems). They don't have the skills... OK,
>>>     that's not their job. But they have to hire good analysts,
>>>     to provide system-control check lists, have independant
>>>     watchers (never ask the developper to test his own system...).
>>>
>>>     That's really "information society". As we go to give more and
>>>     more power to system wide coders, we have to define new
>>>     skills and practices for assessing those systems. And that's a
>>>     new kind of "governance", and may be of "government".
>>>
>>>     Free software, as it give the ability to learn and share
>>>     skills, and the capacity for any nation to develop it's
>>>     own computer science economy, are a good tool for this
>>>     new conception of responsability of public providers of
>>>     information to ensure that any users can get access and
>>>     have satisfaction with the systems they propose to the public.
>>>
>>>     Herv? Le Crosnier
>>>
>>>     PS : here is the javascript code... the problem is not there, but
>>>     merely in the retunr asp programm...
>>>
>>>     My two cents technical advice :
>>>     Give away Front page, use any front-end
>>>     to the UN database, publish the API to
>>>     access the database (or any other data
>>>     collected system to use)... and in a minute
>>>     tens of programmers will add access to the
>>>     UN documents in their own systems !!!
>>>
>>>     Freeing the public national or international
>>>     documents is not a question of publishing them,
>>>     but of organising the acccess for any "publisher"
>>>     (private or cooperative, or even other national
>>>     or international bodies) to integrate those documents
>>>     in their services.
>>>
>>>     Look at the way commercial systems as Amazon
>>>     offer that kind of API, and the massive use
>>>     all over very different kind of web prducers.
>>>
>>>     Look at the success of RSS,...
>>>
>>>     Yes building information societies is also a
>>>     problem of opening access to digital documents.
>>>     And we need to teach those who are in charge of
>>>     deciding that it's not a "technical" problem they
>>>     have to give to a technical staff, but it's also
>>>     a political problem they have to deal with.
>>>
>>>     "Code is Law" as say Larry Lessig.
>>>
>>>     --------------------------------------
>>>     <script language="javascript">
>>>     function Perform(action_name) {
>>>     var form = document.forms[0];
>>>     form.lastevent.value=action_name;
>>>     form.submit();
>>>     return true;
>>>     }
>>>
>>>     function ViewDoc(index) {
>>>     var form = document.forms[0];
>>>     form.doc2view.value=index;
>>>     form.submit();
>>>     return Perform("results.view");
>>>     }
>>>
>>>     function Perform1(language){
>>>     var form = document.forms[0];
>>>     form.langchoice.value=language;
>>>     form.submit();
>>>     return Perform('results.lang');
>>>     }
>>>     </script>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ===============================================
>>> RIK PANGANIBAN Communications Coordinator
>>> Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United 
>>> Nations (CONGO)
>>> web: http://www.ngocongo.org
>>> email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
>>> mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
>>>
>>> ** Please note CONGO's new mailing address: *CP 50, 1211 Gen?ve 20, 
>>> Switzerland.*  Our physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 
>>> 1st Floor, 1202 Gen?ve, Switzerland. **
>>>
>>
> 

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From katitza at speedy.com.pe  Thu Jan  6 19:03:55 2005
From: katitza at speedy.com.pe (Katitza Rodriguez)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <41DD75F9.4030603@gmx.de>
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41DD75F9.4030603@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <200501061403.55552.katitza@speedy.com.pe>

On Thursday 06 January 2005 12:31, Rainer Kuhlen wrote:
> it works with firefox
> RK

I made a search/querie of this TD/B/WP/175  with Firefox under Debian SID, the 
results was:

The first time appear this message after my click: 
javascript:ViewDoc(0)
true

My second try, after a minute and works fine.

From nne75 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  6 19:06:42 2005
From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Discussion Forum of Africa Civil Society on WSIS Phase II/ Français
In-Reply-To: <41DD3975.3010409@apc.org>
Message-ID: <20050106190642.13240.qmail@web50202.mail.yahoo.com>

For the above discussion, please refer to the following addresses:
 
Pour cette discussion, veuillez prendre contact avec les adresses suivantes:
 
njenga@apc.org
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From: rikp at earthlink.net (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
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References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41DD75F9.4030603@gmx.de> <200501061403.55552.katitza@speedy.com.pe>
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I have confirmed same result on the Mac (OS X 10.3) using Netscape, 
Firefox and Mozilla.  You double-click any of the query results, which 
returns the javascript message.  Then you hit the "back" button to go 
back to the search results, and all of the query results appear to 
actually work.

Still doesn't work with Safari, or IE.  But explorer for the Mac is 
very old (2001), so not too surprising.

All in all, perhaps this is less problematic than we had initially 
feared if it works with the different flavors of Netscape.

Rik Panganiban


On Jan 6, 2005, at 2:03 PM, Katitza Rodriguez wrote:

> On Thursday 06 January 2005 12:31, Rainer Kuhlen wrote:
>> it works with firefox
>> RK
>
> I made a search/querie of this TD/B/WP/175  with Firefox under Debian 
> SID, the
> results was:
>
> The first time appear this message after my click:
> javascript:ViewDoc(0)
> true
>
> My second try, after a minute and works fine.
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From cnd at knowprose.com  Thu Jan  6 21:42:30 2005
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document system, and lessons for
 information diffusion
In-Reply-To: <41DD8876.8020803@edc.org>
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>   <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41DD0F74.10405@info.unicaen.fr>  <94E7585A-5FDD-11D9-B32C-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>  <41DD3EA3.8070403@edc.org> <41DD63CC.9020601@rits.org.br> <41DD8876.8020803@edc.org>
Message-ID: <41DDB0C6.4080308@knowprose.com>

The bottom line is that it was designed by committee.

A camel is a horse designed by committee. A horse is a horse designed by
evolution, which means feedback (positive and negative) from a system
affected it's development such that it is a horse. A web site should be
the same; a web site should be constantly modified by feedback by the
system - which means users.

But most organizations have a subcommittee for handling feedback, and
that subcommittee has nothing to do with the camel/horse.

The problem is institutional, and also from getting people with no
expertise to create websites. Drop a decent CMS on most of these sites,
and they would become really usable - at a lower cost. But when you have
contracts with Microsoft and training from Microsoft, all your solutions
are limited to...

Andy Carvin wrote:

> While I'm never surprised with private sector or personal websites
> that have accessibility problems, it never ceases to amaze me when
> large public institutions have no understanding of the issue, or
> choose to ignore it. (It reminds me when the state of Florida
> published all of its hurricane preparedness information online this
> past autumn in PDF format only - totally useless to the blind.) I
> mean, all they needed were ALT tags and that would have alleviated
> most of the problems. It's just shameful...
>
> ac
>
> Carlos Afonso wrote:
>
>> Andy, this is typical of most web sites, unfortunately - not only the
>> designers ignore the WAI recommendations (many do not even bother to
>> know about them), but usually only test it on Microsoft Internet
>> Explorer, or another browser under Windows using the Microsoft
>> pseudo-Java virtual machine. And their project managers are even more
>> ignorant of it (either in the sense of not knowing or just
>> deliberately ignoring it).
>>
>> It is indeed incredible the UN seems not to worry about these issues.
>>
>> rgds
>


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From ecarll at optonline.net  Fri Jan  7 06:30:28 2005
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: FW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] FW: WSIS: Invitation and documents for the next
 GFC meeting (10-11 January)
Message-ID: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCAECIIHAA.ecarll@optonline.net>

Dear Renata,

Thank you for posting this information requesting input.  I have made
suggested inclusions in red on the document. I was concerned as there was no
mention of health (physical or mental) in the political chapeau.  It is
especially surprising as it is part of the MDGs. This was surprising as
there was reference to special needs, yet no reference to physical and
mental health which is a basic need.  Without physical and mental health is
fundamental to learning, working, family relationships, etc.  In addition,
the human, economic, and social development referred to in the document is
by necessity built on the foundation of physical and mental health of all
people.  I have made the following recommendations bracketed and in red on
the documents attached:

I have inserted in the political chapeau:
Par. 1- "promote physical and mental health"
Alternate 9+10- "physical and mental health"
10 or Alternate 10A - "physical and mental health"

I have also inserted in the Operational Chapters/Plan of Implementation:
ICT Applications C7 - "physical and mental health"

Thank you for your help with this.  Those of us who will not be able to
attend the PrepCom appreciate the opportunity to have recommendations and
revisions addressed.

Elizabeth

Dr. Elizabeth Carll
Focal Point to WSIS
International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
Chair, Media/ICT Working Group,
UN NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On Behalf
Of Renata Bloem
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:25 PM
To: CS Plenary; bureau wsis
Cc: Ramin Kaweh
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] FW: WSIS: Invitation and documents for the next
GFC meeting (10-11 January)


Dear all,
I forward the attached invitation letter from the President of the
Preparatory Committee of WSIS, Tunis phase, for the fourth meeting of the
Group of Friends of the Chair, to be held on 10-11 January 2005 in the
Palais des Nations, Room XVIII (Door 40, first floor). The first day is a
special session, open to NGOs and accredited civil society entities. The
second day is a closed meeting.

Enclosed you will find Annex 1 (new version of the Political Chapeau) and
Annex 2 (new version of the Operational Chapters). All three documents are
up on the WSIS website since this afternoon.
Contributions from Civil Society to the document are urgently needed. They
can be read on your behalf.
Best wishes,
Renata


Renate Bloem
President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
11, Avenue de la Paix
CH-1202 Geneva
Tel: +41 22 301 1000
Fax: +41 22 301 2000
E-mil: rbloem@ngocongo.org
Website: www.ngocongo.org



The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, membership association
that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United Nations debates and
decisions. Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective is to ensure the
presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's governments and United
Nations agencies on issues of global concern.  For more information see our
website at www.ngocongo.org

Reminder: CONGO Postal Address Has Changed
We will soon be unable to receive mail at our old address at the Palais des
Nations in Geneva.  So please make sure to update your records with CONGO's
new Geneva office postal address: CP 50, 1211 Gen?ve 20, Switzerland.  Our
physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 1st Floor, 1202 Gen?ve,
Switzerland.




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From greve at fsfeurope.org  Fri Jan  7 08:46:36 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <C6604F8E-6018-11D9-8FF6-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> (Rik
	Panganiban's message of "Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:25:50 -0500")
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
	<m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41DD75F9.4030603@gmx.de>
	<200501061403.55552.katitza@speedy.com.pe>
	<C6604F8E-6018-11D9-8FF6-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
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 || On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:25:50 -0500
 || Rik Panganiban <rikp@earthlink.net> wrote: 

 rp> All in all, perhaps this is less problematic than we had
 rp> initially feared if it works with the different flavors of
 rp> Netscape.

It could indeed be a case of very bad and incompetent design only.

Sometimes that is hard to tell, though. Making things harder or more
cumbersome to use with competitive products is a standard technique of
Microsoft, after all.

The site definitely does not meet the expectations that one could have
of a United Nations site: transparent, accessible, standards-compliant
and reliable for all. So it has to be changed.

Rik, you seem to be in touch with the people working on the site, do
you know whether they a) plan to change the site, b) in which time
frame and c) how they plan to set things up this time?

Regards,
Georg

-- 
Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
Free Software Foundation Europe	                 (http://fsfeurope.org)
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From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Fri Jan  7 10:47:24 2005
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] FW: WSIS: Invitation and documents for the next GFC meeting (10-11 January)
In-Reply-To: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCAECIIHAA.ecarll@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <E1CmreT-0001c1-00@havoc.eusc.inter.net>

Elizabeth,

Thank you very much for your effort. I hope others will still come with
suggestions.
Renate

-----Original Message-----
From: Elizabeth Carll, PhD [mailto:ecarll@optonline.net] 
Sent: vendredi, 7. janvier 2005 07:30
To: Renate Bloem; CS Plenary; bureau wsis
Cc: Elizabeth Carll, Ph.D.
Subject: FW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] FW: WSIS: Invitation and documents for the
next GFC meeting (10-11 January)
Importance: High

Dear Renata,

Thank you for posting this information requesting input.  I have made
suggested inclusions in red on the document. I was concerned as there was no
mention of health (physical or mental) in the political chapeau.  It is
especially surprising as it is part of the MDGs. This was surprising as
there was reference to special needs, yet no reference to physical and
mental health which is a basic need.  Without physical and mental health is
fundamental to learning, working, family relationships, etc.  In addition,
the human, economic, and social development referred to in the document is
by necessity built on the foundation of physical and mental health of all
people.  I have made the following recommendations bracketed and in red on
the documents attached:

I have inserted in the political chapeau:
Par. 1- "promote physical and mental health"
Alternate 9+10- "physical and mental health"
10 or Alternate 10A - "physical and mental health"

I have also inserted in the Operational Chapters/Plan of Implementation:
ICT Applications C7 - "physical and mental health"

Thank you for your help with this.  Those of us who will not be able to
attend the PrepCom appreciate the opportunity to have recommendations and
revisions addressed.

Elizabeth

Dr. Elizabeth Carll
Focal Point to WSIS
International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
Chair, Media/ICT Working Group,
UN NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On Behalf
Of Renata Bloem
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:25 PM
To: CS Plenary; bureau wsis
Cc: Ramin Kaweh
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] FW: WSIS: Invitation and documents for the next
GFC meeting (10-11 January)


Dear all,
I forward the attached invitation letter from the President of the
Preparatory Committee of WSIS, Tunis phase, for the fourth meeting of the
Group of Friends of the Chair, to be held on 10-11 January 2005 in the
Palais des Nations, Room XVIII (Door 40, first floor). The first day is a
special session, open to NGOs and accredited civil society entities. The
second day is a closed meeting.

Enclosed you will find Annex 1 (new version of the Political Chapeau) and
Annex 2 (new version of the Operational Chapters). All three documents are
up on the WSIS website since this afternoon.
Contributions from Civil Society to the document are urgently needed. They
can be read on your behalf.
Best wishes,
Renata


Renate Bloem
President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
11, Avenue de la Paix
CH-1202 Geneva
Tel: +41 22 301 1000
Fax: +41 22 301 2000
E-mil: rbloem@ngocongo.org
Website: www.ngocongo.org



The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, membership association
that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United Nations debates and
decisions. Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective is to ensure the
presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's governments and United
Nations agencies on issues of global concern.  For more information see our
website at www.ngocongo.org

Reminder: CONGO Postal Address Has Changed
We will soon be unable to receive mail at our old address at the Palais des
Nations in Geneva.  So please make sure to update your records with CONGO's
new Geneva office postal address: CP 50, 1211 Gen?ve 20, Switzerland.  Our
physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 1st Floor, 1202 Gen?ve,
Switzerland.







From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Fri Jan  7 10:58:41 2005
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Software Supremo
Message-ID: <E1CmrpP-0006qw-00@havoc.eusc.inter.net>

FYI

 

 

 

Reuters 07 Jan 2005, 08:21

SOFTWARE SUPREMO, Microsoft, has entered the world of virus fighting with a
free security program to remove spyware. 

The program, which comes with its own monthly updates, is seen as a move
towards the creation of a full antivirus software suite later this year. The
program, which can be downloaded from the Microsoft site, just removes
spyware after it has been installed and is a cure rather than a prevention.
However this seems to be just step one in Vole's cunning plan to compete
against programs from McAfee and Symantec. 

The software giant bought a Romanian antivirus firm, GeCAD Software, and the
wide-scale belief is that Vole will have a fully functional AV product in
the shops by March. 

AV makers, who have usually been happy to squabble amongst themselves about
who is the best, might be a little concerned that a large hairy vole is
playing in their yard. 

Symantec shares have dropped by six percent and McAfee were down by around
four percent yesterday as Microsoft's news was announced. While Microsoft's
free software is not an immediate threat, there is the fear that Vole will
use its size and influence to expand into markets now dominated by those
companies. 

Not that Vole would ever do anything like that. Because it would not. 

Update


SEATTLE (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. (MSFT.O: Quote
<http://www.investor.reuters.com/FullQuote.aspx?ticker=MSFT.O&target=%2fstoc
ks%2fquickinfo%2ffullquote> , Profile
<http://www.investor.reuters.com/CompanyOverview.aspx?ticker=MSFT.O> ,
Research <http://www.investor.reuters.com/StockReports.aspx?ticker=MSFT.O> )
began offering anti-spyware program downloads for Windows users on Thursday,
taking the first step in offering its own computer security products and
sending shares of security software vendors lower. 

The new software, which eliminates programs that generate unwanted pop-up
ads and secretly record a computer user's activities, is based on a program
from Giant Company Software Inc., which Microsoft acquired last month for an
undisclosed amount. 

Windows AntiSpyware was launched in beta, or test, mode. 

The world's largest software maker also said that it would also begin
offering a tool next week to remove viruses and other malicious software
from computers. 

Both programs are part of an effort by the Redmond, Washington-based company
to offer its own computer and Internet security software. Microsoft is also
preparing a subscription service, code-named "A1," to provide regular
updates for such software. 

Shares in McAfee Inc. (MFE.N: Quote
<http://www.investor.reuters.com/FullQuote.aspx?ticker=MFE.N&target=%2fstock
s%2fquickinfo%2ffullquote> , Profile
<http://www.investor.reuters.com/CompanyOverview.aspx?ticker=MFE.N> ,
Research <http://www.investor.reuters.com/StockReports.aspx?ticker=MFE.N> )
and Symantec Corp. (SYMC.O: Quote
<http://www.investor.reuters.com/FullQuote.aspx?ticker=SYMC.O&target=%2fstoc
ks%2fquickinfo%2ffullquote> , Profile
<http://www.investor.reuters.com/CompanyOverview.aspx?ticker=SYMC.O> ,
Research <http://www.investor.reuters.com/StockReports.aspx?ticker=SYMC.O> )
, the two largest computer security software vendors, fell sharply on
Thursday in response to the news. McAfee was down 5.4 percent, at $25.20 in
late New York Stock Exchange trade while Symantec shares were 6.8 percent
lower at $23.33 on Nasdaq. 

Microsoft has been working for the last three years to improve the security
and reliability of its software under its Trustworthy Computing initiative,
as more and more malicious software targets weaknesses in Windows and other
Microsoft software. 

) Reuters 2005. All Rights Reserved. 






 

Renate Bloem
President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
11, Avenue de la Paix
CH-1202 Geneva
Tel: +41 22 301 1000
Fax: +41 22 301 2000
E-mil: rbloem@ngocongo.org
Website: www.ngocongo.org

 

 

 

The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, membership association
that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United Nations debates and
decisions. Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective is to ensure the
presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's governments and United
Nations agencies on issues of global concern.  For more information see our
website at www.ngocongo.org

 


Reminder: CONGO Postal Address Has Changed


We will soon be unable to receive mail at our old address at the Palais des
Nations in Geneva.  So please make sure to update your records with CONGO's
new Geneva office postal address: CP 50, 1211 Gen?ve 20, Switzerland.  Our
physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 1st Floor, 1202 Gen?ve,
Switzerland.

 

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From: veni at veni.com (Veni Markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Software Supremo
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From rfj at humanrights.dk  Fri Jan  7 12:14:48 2005
From: rfj at humanrights.dk (Rikke Frank Joergensen)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] GFC meeting in January
Message-ID: <53E14C44C8F37442B95B73E4C8E744DF0107E738@SRVEXC00.dupa.dk>

Dear Renata

 

Thanks for reminding us !

 

I have just skimmed the papers and I have a couple of immediate reactions:

 

1.	In general, the text (especially the Political Chapaeu) seems to be quite a duplication of the already adopted documents from phase I. I am not sure how intentional this is. I mean, its okay to reaffirm Geneva commitment, but what exactly is then the purpose of this doc.
2.	Re. the operational part, I miss more concrete targets, goals and indicators. The text is very general, and if we truly want to push implementation forward, we should ask for more concrete operators. 
3.	This brings me to the issue of human rights. The human rights framework is mentioned (as always) in the opening paragraph of the Political Chapaeu, but that is it. No further reference in the text. The challenge we are facing is not merely to reaffirm existing international treaties, but to commit to actually enforce (or at least improve) implementation of these standards at national level. The de facto status of human rights in a given national context is indicative for the level of development, freedoms, democracy etc. HR are therefore good standards for measuring progress and for holding governments accountable to the commitments they have made. In other words, HR should be used as benchmarks in relation to national implementation of the political goals. 

 

Best regards

Rikke 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On Behalf Of Renata Bloem
Sent: 22. december 2004 13:37
To: CS Plenary
Cc: Ramin Kaweh
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] GFC meeting in January

 

Dear all,

 

Following Ramin?s notice about the GFC meeting in January, I urge all those who can make contribution to the rolling document of 16 December to do so, see www.itu.int/wsis/gfc/index.html#fourth . It is also of great importance that the voice of civil society will be heard during the open meeting on 10/11 January! If you cannot come personally, please send us your comments and contributions that they can be read during the meeting. I appeal to all caucuses and to the CT Group which has recently emerged again, to make their input.  There is agreement in general on the flow and structure of the document and contributions should come to the existing chapters. Input is wanted at this time in particular regarding proposals ?How to move from principles to action/solutions?, with other words to implementation.

Best

Renata 

 

Faisant suite ? la note de Ramin concernant la r?union du Groupe des Amis du Pr?sident (GFC) de janvier, j?encourage vivement tous ceux qui peuvent apporter des contributions au rolling document du 16 d?cembre. Pour ce faire, voir  <http://www.itu.int/wsis/gfc/index.html#fourth> www.itu.int/wsis/gfc/index.html#fourth. Il est ?galement tr?s important que la voix de la soci?t? civile soit entendue lors de la r?union ouverte du 10 janvier ! Si vous ne pouvez pas venir personnellement, veuillez s?il vous plait nous envoyer vos commentaires et contributions afin qu?ils puissent ?tre lus pendant les r?unions. Je fais appel ? tous les caucus et au CT group, qui a r?cemment ?merg? de nouveau, pour faire leur contribution. Il y a g?n?ralement accord sur la structure du document et des contributions qui devraient se r?f?rer aux chapitres existants. Des apports sont attendus en ce moment en particulier concernant la proposition ? comment passer des principes ? des solutions et l?action ?, en d?autres mots ? la mise en ?uvre.

Cordialement,

Renata

 

 

 

 

 

Renate Bloem
President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
11, Avenue de la Paix
CH-1202 Geneva
Tel: +41 22 301 1000
Fax: +41 22 301 2000
E-mil:  <mailto:rbloem@ngocongo.org> rbloem@ngocongo.org
Website: www.ngocongo.org <http://www.ngocongo.org/> 

 

The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, membership association that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United Nations debates and decisions. Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective is to ensure the presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's governments and United Nations agencies on issues of global concern.  For more information see our website at www.ngocongo.org <http://www.ngocongo.org/> 


Reminder: CONGO Postal Address Has Changed


We will soon be unable to receive mail at our old address at the Palais des Nations in Geneva.  So please make sure to update your records with CONGO's new Geneva office postal address: CP 50, 1211 Gen?ve 20, Switzerland.  Our physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 1st Floor, 1202 Gen?ve, Switzerland.

 

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From richardjordan at lycos.com  Fri Jan  7 12:44:13 2005
From: richardjordan at lycos.com (richard jordan)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
Message-ID: <20050107124413.5533E30E7DF@ws7-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

Hi, Rik, Perhaps a bit of history here might help. Please correct anything I mention here, but originally the Optical Disc System was available to NGOs to use -- for $1100, was it per year or a one-time fee, I don't remember. But that was quite a while ago, probably 2001?? And NGOs here at UN Headquarters have consistently said that the access needed to be provided to us free of charge. Free use of the system was one of the items mentioned, I think Bill Pace mentioned it actually, to former Pres. Cardoso when the high-level panel was still holding hearings on the civil society report for the Sec.-Gen. 

There also are other processes at Headquarters that folks may not be aware of, such as the Informatics Working Group.

And I am not sure if the Together Foundation is still in existence, but going all the way back to the Prep Coms for Rio in 1992 and after, they had a very elaborate presentation on Together Net ?? was that what their platform was called?? in one of the 33 large tents that various NGOs rented in Flamengo Park during the Earth Summit. The Together Foundation had worked with the G-77 to start up what I think was a closed list for Member States.

But back to the Optical Disc system -- it still does not provide the information that sitting in a meeting of a functional commission of ECOSOC can provide, in that the individual interventions of delegates really do not appear on the web sites of individual countries. I used to see what actually would appear on a country's web site, and if you could find an intervention that was fresher that 90 days, most were well beyond 90 days, it was rare. There is no staff to put the material up on a web site.

The precis writers at meetings where records are kept don't record verbatim notes for the DPI press summations of official meetings, so unless someone is there in person, a great deal of context can be lost. Just for an instance, at the Second Committee's penultimate meeting, there was a great debate on the draft resolution on trade, delegates actually presented two resolutions, one of which L.25 Rev.1, if I recall, was not the correct resolution. It was L.25 -- but the heart of the matter, we do not hear the drafting sessions where the REAL work is done and what the real issues are.

So Optical Disc, fine for what it presents, but let's remember that the real work is done in getting our voices heard and speaking with delegates "in the corridors" is where the real nitty gritty gets done.

Richard J.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rik Panganiban" <rikp@earthlink.net>
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:25:50 -0500

> 
> I have confirmed same result on the Mac (OS X 10.3) using Netscape, 
> Firefox and Mozilla.  You double-click any of the query results, 
> which returns the javascript message.  Then you hit the "back" 
> button to go back to the search results, and all of the query 
> results appear to actually work.
> 
> Still doesn't work with Safari, or IE.  But explorer for the Mac is 
> very old (2001), so not too surprising.
> 
> All in all, perhaps this is less problematic than we had initially 
> feared if it works with the different flavors of Netscape.
> 
> Rik Panganiban
> 
> 
> On Jan 6, 2005, at 2:03 PM, Katitza Rodriguez wrote:
> 
> > On Thursday 06 January 2005 12:31, Rainer Kuhlen wrote:
> >> it works with firefox
> >> RK
> >
> > I made a search/querie of this TD/B/WP/175  with Firefox under 
> > Debian SID, the
> > results was:
> >
> > The first time appear this message after my click:
> > javascript:ViewDoc(0)
> > true
> >
> > My second try, after a minute and works fine.
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
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From martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar  Fri Jan  7 13:35:51 2005
From: martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar (Martin Olivera)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online 
In-Reply-To: <41DD7BB3.6030005@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <20050107133551.28114.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com>

 --- Bill McIver <Bill.McIver@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
escribi?: 
> 
> All,
> 
> We should approach the issues separately.
> 
> I think the first two could be done quickly and
> put into a report and a request.
> 
> 
> 
> More importantly, this *type* of problem should be
> covered by the results of
> the WGIG. This is the broader perspective of what IG
> means that some 
> people where arguing
> for in the first phase.

What has to do Internet Governance with accesing
problem in a MS-biaased public UN site?
I think that many people is giving WGIG a lot of more
responsabilities than necessary...
> 
> 
> 
> WJM
> 
> 
> Robert Guerra wrote:
> 
> > trying to be productive...
> >
> > Any way we can communicate the results of our
> "tests" to the relevant
> > UN Officials so that they can perhaps try to fix
> it ASAP.    
> >
> > If they can not, then i would suggest that we
> start the process of
> > formulating a formal press release to inform the
> world about the lack
> > of standards..
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Robert
> >
> > At 3:41 PM +0100 1/6/05, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
> > >Georg C. F. Greve ha scritto:
> > >>  rp> Regards to all and Happy Transparent and
> Accessible New Year.
> > >>
> > >>I just tried this and had problems actually
> getting to the documents,
> > >>others have reported similar problems with
> non-IE browsers on Windows
> > >>and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on
> Microsoft and is
> > >>using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
> >
> > -- 
> > ###
> > Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
> > Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Plenary mailing list
> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >
>
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bill McIver, Ph.D                     
> ==
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From martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar  Fri Jan  7 13:38:14 2005
From: martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar (Martin Olivera)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Software Supremo
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050107130809.02e5c5d8@193.200.15.187>
Message-ID: <20050107133814.68127.qmail@web52302.mail.yahoo.com>

> --- Veni Markovski <veni@veni.com> escribi?: 

---------------------------------
At 11:58 07-01-05  +0100, Renata Bloem wrote:
FYI
 
 
 
Reuters 07 Jan 2005, 08:21
>SOFTWARE SUPREMO,Microsoft, has entered the world of
>virus fighting with a free securityprogram to remove
>spyware. 
>This sounds reall strange. I thought that MS Windows
>is capable of doingthat with the new Service Pack 2,
>or even without it (in case you don'tknow, sometimes
>it's better not to install it
>-http://foss.bg/blog/index.php?p=7 ). 

I do not belive in virus. I use GNU/Linux.
 

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From ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es  Fri Jan  7 14:59:19 2005
From: ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es (Lady Murrugarra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Women and AIDS
In-Reply-To: <33444076.1105108694375.JavaMail.SYSTEM@server01>
Message-ID: <20050107145919.6416.qmail@web26502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>





Dear colleagues,

Greetings for the New Year! 

UNAIDS will be moderating an on-line discussion on Women and AIDS that will take place from January 10-21, 2005. This is part of a series sponsored by the United Nations Division for the Advancement of Women. The input from this discussion will feed into the forthcoming ten-year review by the UN of the Beijing Declaration and Platform for Action, adopted by the Fourth World Conference on Women in 1995.



We invite you to share your views and experiences and, in particular, to highlight the key issues that you believe should be emphasized on the international agenda in terms of actions at national and global level to address the increase in HIV prevalence among women and girls and its impact on them. We are looking for key messages, examples of progress made or good programmes, those that highlight men's role in partnership with women, examples of political leadership at local or national level, good slogans, and input from organizations of people living with HIV and caring for those affected. This will also serve as a follow-up to World AIDS Day, so that we can learn from the experiences of the many NGOs, UN agencies, organizations of people living with HIV/AIDS and activists working to mitigate the impact of HIV on women and girls.



The results of this discussion will be included in a report to the UN Department for the Advancement for Women to be incorporated into its presentations to the Commission on the Status of Women in March 2005. 

To register or for more information, visit the discussion website at: http://www.un.org/womenwatch/forums/review/health

You may also subscribe to the discussion via e-mail by sending a message to reviewforum-register@un.org  with "Women and Health? as the subject, providing the following information:

Online discussion: Women and Health

Name: [your full name]

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If you have any further questions, please contact the discussion moderator/facilitator Subidita Chatterjee at subidita@bluewin.ch. For information on other discussions on the Platform's Critical Areas of Concern and other important issues, see http://www.un.org/womenwatch/forums/review/ 

Once again, best wishes for a wonderful 2005. 


		
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From ecarll at optonline.net  Fri Jan  7 14:58:35 2005
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] GFC meeting in January
In-Reply-To: <53E14C44C8F37442B95B73E4C8E744DF0107E738@SRVEXC00.dupa.dk>
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Dear Rikke, Renata, and all,

Rikke makes an excellent point, as, for example, physical and mental health
is a human rights issue, as are other bench marks in the CS Declaration.
However, that is not to say that each area should not specifically be
included, as we may recognize the diversity of human rights issues, but
cannot assume other governments, organizations, and societies will
automatically do the same.

In addition to serving as a plan of action, any document will obviously be a
tool of public education, and therefore a certain amount of repetition is
necessary.  Marketing and advertising specialists often point out that
people have to see/read something at least seven times before it may
register/be remembered.

Elizabeth

Dr. Elizabeth Carll
Focal Point to WSIS
International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
Chair, Media/ICT Working Group,
UN NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On Behalf
Of Rikke Frank Joergensen
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 7:15 AM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] GFC meeting in January


Dear Renata

Thanks for reminding us !

I have just skimmed the papers and I have a couple of immediate reactions:

In general, the text (especially the Political Chapaeu) seems to be quite a
duplication of the already adopted documents from phase I. I am not sure how
intentional this is. I mean, its okay to reaffirm Geneva commitment, but
what exactly is then the purpose of this doc.
Re. the operational part, I miss more concrete targets, goals and
indicators. The text is very general, and if we truly want to push
implementation forward, we should ask for more concrete operators.
This brings me to the issue of human rights. The human rights framework is
mentioned (as always) in the opening paragraph of the Political Chapaeu, but
that is it. No further reference in the text. The challenge we are facing is
not merely to reaffirm existing international treaties, but to commit to
actually enforce (or at least improve) implementation of these standards at
national level. The de facto status of human rights in a given national
context is indicative for the level of development, freedoms, democracy etc.
HR are therefore good standards for measuring progress and for holding
governments accountable to the commitments they have made. In other words,
HR should be used as benchmarks in relation to national implementation of
the political goals.

Best regards
Rikke

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On Behalf
Of Renata Bloem
Sent: 22. december 2004 13:37
To: CS Plenary
Cc: Ramin Kaweh
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] GFC meeting in January

Dear all,

Following Ramin?s notice about the GFC meeting in January, I urge all those
who can make contribution to the rolling document of 16 December to do so,
see www.itu.int/wsis/gfc/index.html#fourth . It is also of great importance
that the voice of civil society will be heard during the open meeting on
10/11 January! If you cannot come personally, please send us your comments
and contributions that they can be read during the meeting. I appeal to all
caucuses and to the CT Group which has recently emerged again, to make their
input.  There is agreement in general on the flow and structure of the
document and contributions should come to the existing chapters. Input is
wanted at this time in particular regarding proposals ?How to move from
principles to action/solutions?, with other words to implementation.

Best
Renata

Faisant suite ? la note de Ramin concernant la r?union du Groupe des Amis du
Pr?sident (GFC) de janvier, j?encourage vivement tous ceux qui peuvent
apporter des contributions au rolling document du 16 d?cembre. Pour ce
faire, voir www.itu.int/wsis/gfc/index.html#fourth. Il est ?galement tr?s
important que la voix de la soci?t? civile soit entendue lors de la r?union
ouverte du 10 janvier ! Si vous ne pouvez pas venir personnellement,
veuillez s?il vous plait nous envoyer vos commentaires et contributions afin
qu?ils puissent ?tre lus pendant les r?unions. Je fais appel ? tous les
caucus et au CT group, qui a r?cemment ?merg? de nouveau, pour faire leur
contribution. Il y a g?n?ralement accord sur la structure du document et des
contributions qui devraient se r?f?rer aux chapitres existants. Des apports
sont attendus en ce moment en particulier concernant la proposition ?
comment passer des principes ? des solutions et l?action ?, en d?autres mots
? la mise en ?uvre.
Cordialement,
Renata





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physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 1st Floor, 1202 Gen?ve,
Switzerland.



From vb at bertola.eu.org  Fri Jan  7 15:48:47 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <C6604F8E-6018-11D9-8FF6-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
	 <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41DD75F9.4030603@gmx.de>
	 <200501061403.55552.katitza@speedy.com.pe>
	 <C6604F8E-6018-11D9-8FF6-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1105112927.4338.9.camel@croce.dyf.it>

Il giorno gio, 06-01-2005 alle 14:25 -0500, Rik Panganiban ha scritto:
> I have confirmed same result on the Mac (OS X 10.3) using Netscape, 
> Firefox and Mozilla.  You double-click any of the query results, which 
> returns the javascript message.  Then you hit the "back" button to go 
> back to the search results, and all of the query results appear to 
> actually work.
> 
> Still doesn't work with Safari, or IE.  But explorer for the Mac is 
> very old (2001), so not too surprising.
> 
> All in all, perhaps this is less problematic than we had initially 
> feared if it works with the different flavors of Netscape.

But no sane person would ever *double-click* on a link - if you click
only once, as you normally do, it does not work (at least with Firefox
0.9.3 on Ubuntu Linux, which is what I have here now). No one would ever
think of double-clicking... let alone of then going back and trying
again.

So I'd still say that the current site configuration is totally
unacceptable. We should be asking for a clear plan to fix all these
different errors and make the site accessible (including accessibility
in W3C terms): actually, I don't think that it takes more than a few
hours of work to make the site compatible with most browsers, so rather
than mounting up campaigns we should encourage them to do so promptly.
-- 
vb.             [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...


From rikp at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  7 16:26:24 2005
From: rikp at earthlink.net (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <1105112927.4338.9.camel@croce.dyf.it>
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41DD75F9.4030603@gmx.de> <200501061403.55552.katitza@speedy.com.pe> <C6604F8E-6018-11D9-8FF6-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> <1105112927.4338.9.camel@croce.dyf.it>
Message-ID: <DF754FFC-60C8-11D9-914D-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>

Agreed. We need to see that there is a plan to address these problems. 
I will communicate this to the Department of Public Information and try 
to find the proper technical person we can provide further feedback to.

Rik Panganiban

On Jan 7, 2005, at 10:48 AM, Vittorio Bertola wrote:

> Il giorno gio, 06-01-2005 alle 14:25 -0500, Rik Panganiban ha scritto:
>> I have confirmed same result on the Mac (OS X 10.3) using Netscape,
>> Firefox and Mozilla.  You double-click any of the query results, which
>> returns the javascript message.  Then you hit the "back" button to go
>> back to the search results, and all of the query results appear to
>> actually work.
>>
>> Still doesn't work with Safari, or IE.  But explorer for the Mac is
>> very old (2001), so not too surprising.
>>
>> All in all, perhaps this is less problematic than we had initially
>> feared if it works with the different flavors of Netscape.
>
> But no sane person would ever *double-click* on a link - if you click
> only once, as you normally do, it does not work (at least with Firefox
> 0.9.3 on Ubuntu Linux, which is what I have here now). No one would 
> ever
> think of double-clicking... let alone of then going back and trying
> again.
>
> So I'd still say that the current site configuration is totally
> unacceptable. We should be asking for a clear plan to fix all these
> different errors and make the site accessible (including accessibility
> in W3C terms): actually, I don't think that it takes more than a few
> hours of work to make the site compatible with most browsers, so rather
> than mounting up campaigns we should encourage them to do so promptly.
> -- 
> vb.             [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
> http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...
>
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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Fri Jan  7 17:24:19 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Virtual Plenary wiki...?
In-Reply-To: <DF754FFC-60C8-11D9-914D-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
 <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41DD75F9.4030603@gmx.de>
 <200501061403.55552.katitza@speedy.com.pe>
 <C6604F8E-6018-11D9-8FF6-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
 <1105112927.4338.9.camel@croce.dyf.it>
 <DF754FFC-60C8-11D9-914D-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <p0620071cbe0474ec46f8@[192.168.1.251]>

Is there such thing as a CS plenary wiki?

Though this list is good - having something easier to navigate and 
read would be, in my opinion - quite helpful.

If you aren't familiar with wiki's , please look at the most famous 
example -? http://www.wikipedia.org/


Thus, if a CS Wiki doesn't exist - i would like to propose that  it 
be created. Furthermore, as the wsis-cs.org domain already exists , 
might i suggest that the wiki be located at the following domain name:

wiki.wsis-cs.org

keen to hear other comments.

regards

Robert



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Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Fri Jan  7 17:45:53 2005
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Virtual Plenary wiki...?
In-Reply-To: <p0620071cbe0474ec46f8@[192.168.1.251]>
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
 <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41DD75F9.4030603@gmx.de>
 <200501061403.55552.katitza@speedy.com.pe>
 <C6604F8E-6018-11D9-8FF6-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
 <1105112927.4338.9.camel@croce.dyf.it>
 <DF754FFC-60C8-11D9-914D-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
 <p0620071cbe0474ec46f8@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <p06200708be047a43b50e@[192.168.1.141]>

I am talking to a company about providing a wiki and some other 
"stuff".  I hope to know their answer soon.

I don't mean to be cryptic and secretive, but I'm basically asking 
for support and funding for a few limited CS activities, and it's 
probably not a good idea to say more at the moment.

And if it falls through I'll buy donuts in Geneva (or similar penance.)

Adam



At 12:24 PM -0500 1/7/05, Robert Guerra wrote:
>Is there such thing as a CS plenary wiki?
>
>Though this list is good - having something easier to navigate and 
>read would be, in my opinion - quite helpful.
>
>If you aren't familiar with wiki's , please look at the most famous 
>example -  http://www.wikipedia.org/
>
>
>Thus, if a CS Wiki doesn't exist - i would like to propose that  it 
>be created. Furthermore, as the wsis-cs.org domain already exists , 
>might i suggest that the wiki be located at the following domain 
>name:
>
>wiki.wsis-cs.org
>
>keen to hear other comments.
>
>regards
>
>Robert
>
>
>
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>###
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From rikp at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  7 17:17:10 2005
From: rikp at earthlink.net (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <20050107124413.5533E30E7DF@ws7-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050107124413.5533E30E7DF@ws7-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <F76C73ED-60CF-11D9-914D-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>

Richard,

That matches my recollection as well of "together.net" partnering with 
the UN on providing IT support.  I don't recall anything concrete 
coming out of the post-WSSD period however.  I also don't know if 
Together Foundation is still around, but they seem to be co-sponsoring 
the "Best Practices" website of UN Habitat: 
http://www.bestpractices.org/ . Their own website together.org is down 
however.

Yes, the $1,100 fee for ODS web access I believe was still in effect up 
to 2003 for NGOs.  It was an annual fee.

I agree that the ODS is a good addition to our information resources, 
but nothing beats "being there."  A live webcam would be nice however.

Rik Panganiban

On Jan 7, 2005, at 7:44 AM, richard jordan wrote:

> Hi, Rik, Perhaps a bit of history here might help. Please correct 
> anything I mention here, but originally the Optical Disc System was 
> available to NGOs to use -- for $1100, was it per year or a one-time 
> fee, I don't remember. But that was quite a while ago, probably 2001?? 
> And NGOs here at UN Headquarters have consistently said that the 
> access needed to be provided to us free of charge. Free use of the 
> system was one of the items mentioned, I think Bill Pace mentioned it 
> actually, to former Pres. Cardoso when the high-level panel was still 
> holding hearings on the civil society report for the Sec.-Gen.
>
> There also are other processes at Headquarters that folks may not be 
> aware of, such as the Informatics Working Group.
>
> And I am not sure if the Together Foundation is still in existence, 
> but going all the way back to the Prep Coms for Rio in 1992 and after, 
> they had a very elaborate presentation on Together Net ?? was that 
> what their platform was called?? in one of the 33 large tents that 
> various NGOs rented in Flamengo Park during the Earth Summit. The 
> Together Foundation had worked with the G-77 to start up what I think 
> was a closed list for Member States.
>
> But back to the Optical Disc system -- it still does not provide the 
> information that sitting in a meeting of a functional commission of 
> ECOSOC can provide, in that the individual interventions of delegates 
> really do not appear on the web sites of individual countries. I used 
> to see what actually would appear on a country's web site, and if you 
> could find an intervention that was fresher that 90 days, most were 
> well beyond 90 days, it was rare. There is no staff to put the 
> material up on a web site.
>
> The precis writers at meetings where records are kept don't record 
> verbatim notes for the DPI press summations of official meetings, so 
> unless someone is there in person, a great deal of context can be 
> lost. Just for an instance, at the Second Committee's penultimate 
> meeting, there was a great debate on the draft resolution on trade, 
> delegates actually presented two resolutions, one of which L.25 Rev.1, 
> if I recall, was not the correct resolution. It was L.25 -- but the 
> heart of the matter, we do not hear the drafting sessions where the 
> REAL work is done and what the real issues are.
>
> So Optical Disc, fine for what it presents, but let's remember that 
> the real work is done in getting our voices heard and speaking with 
> delegates "in the corridors" is where the real nitty gritty gets done.
>
> Richard J.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rik Panganiban" <rikp@earthlink.net>
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:25:50 -0500
>
>>
>> I have confirmed same result on the Mac (OS X 10.3) using Netscape,
>> Firefox and Mozilla.  You double-click any of the query results,
>> which returns the javascript message.  Then you hit the "back"
>> button to go back to the search results, and all of the query
>> results appear to actually work.
>>
>> Still doesn't work with Safari, or IE.  But explorer for the Mac is
>> very old (2001), so not too surprising.
>>
>> All in all, perhaps this is less problematic than we had initially
>> feared if it works with the different flavors of Netscape.
>>
>> Rik Panganiban
>>
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2005, at 2:03 PM, Katitza Rodriguez wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday 06 January 2005 12:31, Rainer Kuhlen wrote:
>>>> it works with firefox
>>>> RK
>>>
>>> I made a search/querie of this TD/B/WP/175  with Firefox under
>>> Debian SID, the
>>> results was:
>>>
>>> The first time appear this message after my click:
>>> javascript:ViewDoc(0)
>>> true
>>>
>>> My second try, after a minute and works fine.
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From Bill.McIver at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca  Fri Jan  7 17:55:52 2005
From: Bill.McIver at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca (Bill McIver)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
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Martin,

First, I agree with you that the WGIG has a lot on its plate already.

Respectfully, I think the question you pose is too narrow though.
The question is should be:

  What responsibliities should be included within
  the concept of governance of the information
  society (or societies)?

In my opinion, we need to cover more than names and numbers, IPv6, etc...

Andy Carvin's point yesterday about the US 508 regulations is but one
example of the type of relationship that I am describing.

We should not just view this is an isolated issue
involving a specific set of technologies, nor is it just about the UN.
It is really about the broader issues of good design and implementation 
practices,
and the identification of and adherence to good standards.

Parts of the engineering and computer science community (of which I am a 
part)
have been addressing these issues for a long time, both in terms of 
research and practice.
Yet, we seem to be discussing it here as if our role is to just
wait for bad designs to pop up and then to criticize them on an 
individual basis.
This is not acceptable for public information systems.

Certainly more needs to be done within the communities that
design and deploy technologies to raise awareness and force change, but 
in the
context of WSIS more needs to be done to speak more directly to
IT professionals and organizations about they way they work.

It is almost as if the people and processes involved in
engineer ICTs don't exist within the WSIS.
 

Best,

WJM


Martin Olivera wrote:

>  --- Bill McIver <Bill.McIver@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
> escribi?:
> >
> > All,
> >
> > We should approach the issues separately.
> >
> > I think the first two could be done quickly and
> > put into a report and a request.
> >
> >
> >
> > More importantly, this *type* of problem should be
> > covered by the results of
> > the WGIG. This is the broader perspective of what IG
> > means that some
> > people where arguing
> > for in the first phase.
>
> What has to do Internet Governance with accesing
> problem in a MS-biaased public UN site?
> I think that many people is giving WGIG a lot of more
> responsabilities than necessary...
> >
> >
> >
> > WJM
> >
> >
> > Robert Guerra wrote:
> >
> > > trying to be productive...
> > >
> > > Any way we can communicate the results of our
> > "tests" to the relevant
> > > UN Officials so that they can perhaps try to fix
> > it ASAP.   
> > >
> > > If they can not, then i would suggest that we
> > start the process of
> > > formulating a formal press release to inform the
> > world about the lack
> > > of standards..
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
> > > Robert
> > >
> > > At 3:41 PM +0100 1/6/05, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
> > > >Georg C. F. Greve ha scritto:
> > > >>  rp> Regards to all and Happy Transparent and
> > Accessible New Year.
> > > >>
> > > >>I just tried this and had problems actually
> > getting to the documents,
> > > >>others have reported similar problems with
> > non-IE browsers on Windows
> > > >>and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on
> > Microsoft and is
> > > >>using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
> > >
> > > --
> > > ###
> > > Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
> > > Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Plenary mailing list
> > > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > >
> >
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bill McIver, Ph.D                    
> > ==
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> > recherche
> > e-Government/e-Citizen Group          | Groupe de
> > gouvernement ?lectronique/citoyen ?lectronique
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> > Bill.McIver@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
> > ==
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> >
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>
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From: bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Virtual Plenary wiki...?
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Robert Guerra schrieb:
> Is there such thing as a CS plenary wiki?

Francis set one up long ago (for PrepCom 3A), but AFAIK it was never 
used for plenary work, only for caucuses.
It still works, but the start page needs some updating.

http://www.wsis-wiki.com/

BTW: What happened to the virtual collaboration Working Group?
This list <http://lists.si.umich.edu/mailman/listinfo/wsis-virtual> 
seems to be empty.

Ralf

From martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar  Fri Jan  7 18:36:42 2005
From: martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar (Martin Olivera)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About WGIG mission: what is it for?
In-Reply-To: <41DECD28.5040609@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <20050107183642.38244.qmail@web52307.mail.yahoo.com>

 --- Bill McIver <Bill.McIver@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
escribi?: 
> 
> Martin,
> 
> First, I agree with you that the WGIG has a lot on
> its plate already.

Hi, Bill, sorry if it sounded hard, I am trying to
help and avoid one-over-one-another burocratic teams
and organisms, overlapping incumbences. We, the
humans, have just a lot of them.


> 
> Respectfully, I think the question you pose is too
> narrow though.
> The question is should be:
> 
>   What responsibliities should be included within
>   the concept of governance of the information
>   society (or societies)?

Well, that is the point. At first, defining concepts,
what do you define as governance? I find this word
very similar to governement, but I am a spanish native
speaker and in my language I do not know something
different to Gobierno = Governmwent. 
WGIG issue was about Internet Governance (what does it
mean exactly?) and NEVER was their planned mission to
govern the Information Society. Internet is nos the
same than the Information Society.

I am seeing that many members of the WGIG do not know
yet what is exactly WGIG mission and scope (nor I), so
how was they elected to do something that nobody knows
what involves? How are we sure that is the proper
peole if we do not know yet what to do?

What are they? representatives of we, the people, to
build an Information Society Constitution?
If that were the matter, I found the WGIG absoultely
biased and not properly builded. If you are thinking
to regulate the Informatiuon Society, you should
accept that Cyberspace is a new territory discovered
and created by Humanity and nobody should try to
govern it in an authocratic way. Democracy is the best
alternative we know for government, so, if some
Information Society Government were needed (I do not
think it is necessary a content regulation from a
centralized body, I call it censorship) it should be
democratically votedin the more inclusive and
minory-respecting way.

Sorry for the message length, I just wnat to ask the
WGIG members here, could you please send a document
about the organism mission and objectives, if it is
yet discussed?


But, 






Indid not understand thnat WGIG should NEVER govern
the Information Society

> 
> In my opinion, we need to cover more than names and
> numbers, IPv6, etc...
> 
> Andy Carvin's point yesterday about the US 508
> regulations is but one
> example of the type of relationship that I am
> describing.
> 
> We should not just view this is an isolated issue
> involving a specific set of technologies, nor is it
> just about the UN.
> It is really about the broader issues of good design
> and implementation 
> practices,
> and the identification of and adherence to good
> standards.
> 
> Parts of the engineering and computer science
> community (of which I am a 
> part)
> have been addressing these issues for a long time,
> both in terms of 
> research and practice.
> Yet, we seem to be discussing it here as if our role
> is to just
> wait for bad designs to pop up and then to criticize
> them on an 
> individual basis.
> This is not acceptable for public information
> systems.
> 
> Certainly more needs to be done within the
> communities that
> design and deploy technologies to raise awareness
> and force change, but 
> in the
> context of WSIS more needs to be done to speak more
> directly to
> IT professionals and organizations about they way
> they work.
> 
> It is almost as if the people and processes involved
> in
> engineer ICTs don't exist within the WSIS.
>  
> 
> Best,
> 
> WJM
> 
> 
> Martin Olivera wrote:
> 
> >  --- Bill McIver <Bill.McIver@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
> > escribi?:
> > >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > We should approach the issues separately.
> > >
> > > I think the first two could be done quickly and
> > > put into a report and a request.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > More importantly, this *type* of problem should
> be
> > > covered by the results of
> > > the WGIG. This is the broader perspective of
> what IG
> > > means that some
> > > people where arguing
> > > for in the first phase.
> >
> > What has to do Internet Governance with accesing
> > problem in a MS-biaased public UN site?
> > I think that many people is giving WGIG a lot of
> more
> > responsabilities than necessary...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > WJM
> > >
> > >
> > > Robert Guerra wrote:
> > >
> > > > trying to be productive...
> > > >
> > > > Any way we can communicate the results of our
> > > "tests" to the relevant
> > > > UN Officials so that they can perhaps try to
> fix
> > > it ASAP.   
> > > >
> > > > If they can not, then i would suggest that we
> > > start the process of
> > > > formulating a formal press release to inform
> the
> > > world about the lack
> > > > of standards..
> > > >
> > > > regards
> > > >
> > > > Robert
> > > >
> > > > At 3:41 PM +0100 1/6/05, Vittorio Bertola
> wrote:
> > > > >Georg C. F. Greve ha scritto:
> > > > >>  rp> Regards to all and Happy Transparent
> and
> > > Accessible New Year.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>I just tried this and had problems actually
> > > getting to the documents,
> > > > >>others have reported similar problems with
> > > non-IE browsers on Windows
> > > > >>and Macintosh. It appears the site is
> running on
> > > Microsoft and is
> > > > >>using Microsoft-only functions for
> Javascript.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > ###
> > > > Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
> > > > Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>
> > > >
> _______________________________________________
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> > > > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bill McIver, Ph.D                    
> > > ==
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> > > recherche
> > > e-Government/e-Citizen Group          | Groupe
> de
> > > gouvernement ?lectronique/citoyen ?lectronique
> > > National Research Council             | Conseil
> > > national de recherches Canada
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> de
> > > technologie de l'information
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> > > promenade Dineen
> > > Fredericton, NB E3B 9W4 Canada        |
> Fredericton,
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> Courriel:
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> > > ==
> > > URL:
> > >
> >
>
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> 
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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Fri Jan  7 18:29:44 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Virtual Plenary wiki...?
In-Reply-To: <41DED055.7060409@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
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 <200501061403.55552.katitza@speedy.com.pe>
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Message-ID: <p0620071dbe048361aa52@[192.168.1.251]>

At 7:09 PM +0100 1/7/05, Ralf Bendrath wrote:
>Robert Guerra schrieb:
>>Is there such thing as a CS plenary wiki?
>
>Francis set one up long ago (for PrepCom 3A), but AFAIK it was never 
>used for plenary work, only for caucuses.
>It still works, but the start page needs some updating.


One think i've learned is that one can't just go ahead and create a 
resource for people to use. I would rather the wiki be under the 
wsis-cs.org domain , as one never knows what the uptime will be of 
other sites..


>
>BTW: What happened to the virtual collaboration Working Group?
>This list <http://lists.si.umich.edu/mailman/listinfo/wsis-virtual> 
>seems to be empty.
>

Derrick moved from U. Michigan to Syracuse, and i gather the 
website/mailing list wasn't maintained...

Robert


-- 
###
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Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From vb at bertola.eu.org  Sat Jan  8 08:13:39 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <41DECD28.5040609@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
References: <20050107133551.28114.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> <41DECD28.5040609@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <41DF9633.60508@bertola.eu.org>

Bill McIver ha scritto:
> Certainly more needs to be done within the communities that
> design and deploy technologies to raise awareness and force change, but 
> in the
> context of WSIS more needs to be done to speak more directly to
> IT professionals and organizations about they way they work.

In the current issue list for WGIG:

http://www.wgig.org/docs/inventory-issues.html

there's nothing about "content accessibility". However, I agree with you 
that this is a very important issue... especially under the light of what 
happened with the UN documents system (but happens daily with all kinds of 
public resources on the Internet).

Now, to be practical, there is one and only way to let this issue be added 
to the WGIG list: one or more WGIG members must submit in the next 7-10 
days an issue paper compiled along this template:

http://www.wgig.org/docs/Template.14.12.04.html

However, the fact that the document is submitted by a WGIG member does not 
mean that it must actually have been written by the member :-) So it would 
be great if you or other people could work on this document; it doesn't 
need to be more than 2-3 pages describing the present situation, the 
current governance methods (both to define standards and to make them 
used) and, under section 3, the present perceived problems. If you did so, 
I would be glad to submit it to the WGIG.

(In the meantime, I'll ask confirmation to the WGIG list whether it would 
acceptable to add this issue to the list.)
-- 
vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<------
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Vecchio sito, nuovo tobl?g...

From greve at fsfeurope.org  Sat Jan  8 11:04:40 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <41DECD28.5040609@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca> (Bill McIver's message of "Fri,
	07 Jan 2005 13:55:52 -0400")
References: <20050107133551.28114.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com>
	<41DECD28.5040609@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <m3y8f4ji5z.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>

 || On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:55:52 -0400
 || Bill McIver <Bill.McIver@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca> wrote: 

 bm> Certainly more needs to be done within the communities that
 bm> design and deploy technologies to raise awareness and force
 bm> change, but in the context of WSIS more needs to be done to speak
 bm> more directly to IT professionals and organizations about they
 bm> way they work.  It is almost as if the people and processes
 bm> involved in engineer ICTs don't exist within the WSIS.

Similar thoughts have also occured to me in the past.

My personal feeling is that this summit came too early. The political
players involved -- in particular those from the governmental side --
were not prepared to deal with this subject and try to reflexively
apply old approaches.

As a result, the setup of the UN WGIG in particular has failed to
involve the groups that actually shape what the WGIG is thinking about
governing. Neither Free Software, nor Patents, Copyrights, Trademarks
(PCT) issues are represented in the WGIG, although both fundamentally
affect the shape of the internet.

This really only leaves limiting the scope and effect of the UN WGIG
as much as possible to avoid wasting resources and doing potentially
irreparable harm or harm that would take a lot of work and resources
to undo.

Regards,
Georg

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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Sat Jan  8 11:28:56 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
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Georg C. F. Greve ha scritto:
> As a result, the setup of the UN WGIG in particular has failed to
> involve the groups that actually shape what the WGIG is thinking about
> governing. Neither Free Software, nor Patents, Copyrights, Trademarks
> (PCT) issues are represented in the WGIG, although both fundamentally
> affect the shape of the internet.

I'm not looking forward to appearing as a defender of the establishment 
but... how can you say this? I mean, it is true that none of the people 
put forward by the PCT Caucus were picked up by the UN, but this does not 
automatically mean that no one cares about free software in the WGIG, or 
that no one is willing to represent and promote its principles.

I and other WGIG members are more than willing to take up the cause of 
free software (actually, I'm right in the middle of drafting my proposed 
WGIG draft on the "intellectual property" issue, which I will try to 
circulate to the possible extent once finished - and yes, it starts by 
noting that some stakeholders contest the use of the term itself). If you 
look at the list of governments who are represented in the WGIG, you will 
notice many countries that were among the promoters of the WIPO 
Development Agenda. So I wouldn't say in advance that the WGIG is biased 
against free software - I would at least wait for the results to judge.
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From greve at fsfeurope.org  Sat Jan  8 12:52:57 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <41DFC3F8.4030806@bertola.eu.org> (Vittorio Bertola's message of
	"Sat, 08 Jan 2005 12:28:56 +0100")
References: <20050107133551.28114.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com>
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 || On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 12:28:56 +0100
 || Vittorio Bertola <vb@bertola.eu.org> wrote: 

 vb> I'm not looking forward to appearing as a defender of the
 vb> establishment but... how can you say this? 

I can say this because none of representatives chosen by Civil Society
to represent it on these topics were included.

Saying that these are not represented is not the same as saying that
there is noone who would as a person care for them or take interest in
them, which is where your confusion seems to come from.

There are many people involved in many working groups with diverse
interests. I believe that there are people with very qualified
opinions on many issues in many groups. But it is also true that these
people have often not followed the intensive discussions that took
place within these working groups during the months of work at the
first phase.


There are certainly people with a very solid understanding of internet
governance in the PCT working group that I know of. But if the WGIG
had been set up without any of the representative from the CS working
group, I would say that Civil Society is not represented on these
issues.

If Civil Society self-organisation seeks to have any meaning, I
believe that indeed Civil Society has to stand tall on seeing the
issues that are not represented put outside the scope of the WGIG.


 vb> So I wouldn't say in advance that the WGIG is biased against free
 vb> software - I would at least wait for the results to judge.

I never said nor implied such a thing.

All I know is that Free Software is not represented in the WGIG, which
is not the same as saying that nobody took an interest in them. In
fact, I know that many people take lots of interest in these issues.

But I am also aware that in particular several people from the
industral, which sometimes come disguised as governmental, and
governmental sides take a hearty interest in these issues. 


But my main worry was actually not Free Software, I am more worried
about the PCT issues, which some people seem to try sneaking in
through the back door after they were officially excluded from the
scope of the WGIG by Mr. Kummer when the WG was set up.

While I don't wish to diminish the greatness of seeing some people
From Civil Society included in that working group and certainly don't
want to belittle your influence, I have enough experience in this
field to know uneven the potential means of influence are distributed.


That is why I believe it is of crucial importance to resist allowing
the extension of the scope after it has been set up. Limiting the
scope and trying to prevent the worst seems most reasonable.

Regards,
Georg

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Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
Free Software Foundation Europe	                 (http://fsfeurope.org)
GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
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From jeanette at wz-berlin.de  Sat Jan  8 13:03:01 2005
From: jeanette at wz-berlin.de (Jeanette Hofmann)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
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References: <20050107133551.28114.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com>	<41DECD28.5040609@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca> <m3y8f4ji5z.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
Message-ID: <41DFDA05.2070002@wz-berlin.de>


Georg C. F. Greve wrote:

Georg, I am not sure your judgement of the composition and competence of 
WGIG is fair.

First, it was clear from the outset that not all vital interests could 
be represented directly in a group with limited membership. Second, most 
of the CS members do sympathise with the free software movement and are 
certainly willing to listen and take up the issue you wnat to bring 
forward. Third, another group which, to quote you, fundamentally affects 
the shape of the Internet - the IETF, which is responsible among other 
things for TCP/IP and the DNS -, is represented in WGIG, the IETF.

jeanette


> As a result, the setup of the UN WGIG in particular has failed to
> involve the groups that actually shape what the WGIG is thinking about
> governing. Neither Free Software, nor Patents, Copyrights, Trademarks
> (PCT) issues are represented in the WGIG, although both fundamentally
> affect the shape of the internet.
> 
> This really only leaves limiting the scope and effect of the UN WGIG
> as much as possible to avoid wasting resources and doing potentially
> irreparable harm or harm that would take a lot of work and resources
> to undo.
> 
> Regards,
> Georg
> 

From greve at fsfeurope.org  Sat Jan  8 14:46:22 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <41DFDA05.2070002@wz-berlin.de> (Jeanette Hofmann's message of
	"Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:03:01 +0100")
References: <20050107133551.28114.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com>
	<41DECD28.5040609@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca> <m3y8f4ji5z.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
	<41DFDA05.2070002@wz-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <m3y8f4htc1.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>

 || On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:03:01 +0100
 || Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette@wz-berlin.de> wrote: 

 jh> First, it was clear from the outset that not all vital interests
 jh> could be represented directly in a group with limited membership.

That may be so.

But if thematic areas are not represented and were indeed excluded at
the onset of the working group, they should not be discussed.


 jh> Second, most of the CS members do sympathise with the free
 jh> software movement

I understand there is a lot of sympathy. Sympathy may not be the
all-deciding element in political decisions, though.


 jh> Third, another group which, to quote you, fundamentally affects
 jh> the shape of the Internet - the IETF, which is responsible among
 jh> other things for TCP/IP and the DNS -, is represented in WGIG,
 jh> the IETF.

The IETF is a good example of a group that is quite problematic and
well-known for its industry-controlled approach at the PCT issues. I
recommend reading up on the "RAND" licensing discussions.

Regards,
Georg

-- 
Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
Free Software Foundation Europe	                 (http://fsfeurope.org)
GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
Brave GNU World	                           (http://brave-gnu-world.org)
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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Sat Jan  8 16:37:05 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <m3brc0jd5i.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
References: <20050107133551.28114.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com>	<41DECD28.5040609@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca> <m3y8f4ji5z.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>	<41DFC3F8.4030806@bertola.eu.org> <m3brc0jd5i.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
Message-ID: <41E00C31.6040307@bertola.eu.org>

Georg C. F. Greve ha scritto:
>  vb> I'm not looking forward to appearing as a defender of the
>  vb> establishment but... how can you say this? 
> 
> I can say this because none of representatives chosen by Civil Society
> to represent it on these topics were included.

I guess we might enter into a long discussion about what "chosen by Civil 
Society" means and how it is defined - since in fact, for the UN, the 
people chosen by Civil Society were the ones listed here:

http://www.net-gov.org/wgig/members.php

so it was Civil Society itself, not the UN, to discard the candidates 
suggested by the PCT Caucus, during its own internal selection process.

In fact, at this time it is not defined at all what "chosen by Civil 
Society" means, since it is unclear to me who is entitled to take 
decisions on behalf of civil society. (To me, it's the Plenary, and by 
voting, but I know that other people on this list do not share this view; 
and for what regards WGIG, a different process was followed, which after 
all was possibly the best possible one in practice, given the hurry and 
the lack of established processes we work in.)

All in all, perhaps this thread should be moved to the Working Methods WG, 
even if in that group too there is some discussion on "broad vs narrow" 
issues... that is, only fixing short term issues such as "how do we 
appoint CS speakers at PrepCom-2", rather than trying to settle these high 
level matters once for all.

I think that there should be an inclusive discussion on these themes, 
otherwise I see the risk that, for example, a similar approach to the one 
followed for CS WGIG nominations is followed for speaker selection, and 
then we get more and more of these disagreements and start to quarrel 
among ourselves - which is the last thing we should do.
-- 
vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<------
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Vecchio sito, nuovo tobl?g...

From kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Sat Jan  8 16:51:55 2005
From: kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_Kleinw=E4chter?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
Message-ID: 
 <ACADB74FBBEFD94795A03FDBBDE62D3716FA8E@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>

George Wrote:
 
I can say this because none of representatives chosen by Civil Society
to represent it on these topics were included. 
 
 
Come on George, 
 
although I do not have the exclusive knowledge you have generated around this subject I know something about the issue and I am , as you know, very sympathetic with the FOSS community. Give me some clear, reasonable and related points and they will be channeled directly into the WGIG process. Constructive involvment is always better than piping from the sideline. 
 
Best wishes
 
wolfgang
 
 

From muguet at mdpi.org  Sat Jan  8 22:35:03 2005
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: WGIG  AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <ACADB74FBBEFD94795A03FDBBDE62D3716FA8E@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
References: <ACADB74FBBEFD94795A03FDBBDE62D3716FA8E@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
Message-ID: <41E06017.4050105@mdpi.org>

Dear Wolfgang

*Happy New Year*

Your support to Free Software is truely appreciated and
you are not responsible for the current inadequate composition of the WGIG.
The problem is that a third-party representation, however well 
intentioned, cannot be
as efficient as a first-hand representation.  This is obvious.
In order to partially repair the unbalance of the composition of the 
WGIG, and its ensuing
lack of crediblity, hope that you will take the constructive initiative 
to consult
your fellow countryman George on issues that appear to you as relevant
to Free Software, whenever they arise or you have a suspicion.
Waiting for a person to contribute to
 a process, when this person is not closely
involved is difficult, for all practical purposes.
This informal consultation would not entitle the WGIG
to declare that the Free Software community is endorsing any view
from the WGIG, but it might allow to perform some damage control.

Best regards

Francis

>George Wrote:
> 
>I can say this because none of representatives chosen by Civil Society
>to represent it on these topics were included. 
> 
> 
>Come on George, 
> 
>although I do not have the exclusive knowledge you have generated around this subject I know something about the issue and I am , as you know, very sympathetic with the FOSS community. Give me some clear, reasonable and related points and they will be channeled directly into the WGIG process. Constructive involvment is always better than piping from the sideline. 
> 
>Best wishes
> 
>wolfgang
> 
> 
>_______________________________________________
>Plenary mailing list
>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>
>
>  
>


-- 

------------------------------------------------------ 
Francis F. MUGUET Ph.D 

MDPI Foundation Open Access Journals
Associate Publisher
http://www.mdpi.org   http://www.mdpi.net
muguet@mdpi.org       muguet@mdpi.net

ENSTA   Paris, France
KNIS lab.  Director 
"Knowledge Networks & Information Society" (KNIS)
muguet@ensta.fr   http://www.ensta.fr/~muguet

World Summit On the Information Society (WSIS)
Civil Society Working Groups
Scientific Information :  http://www.wsis-si.org  chair
Patents & Copyrights   :  http://www.wsis-pct.org co-chair
Financing Mechanismns  :  http://www.wsis-finance.org web

UNMSP project : http://www.unmsp.org
WTIS initiative: http://www.wtis.org
------------------------------------------------------ 


From muguet at mdpi.org  Sat Jan  8 22:50:02 2005
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Virtual Plenary wiki...?
In-Reply-To: <41DED055.7060409@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41DD75F9.4030603@gmx.de> <200501061403.55552.katitza@speedy.com.pe> <C6604F8E-6018-11D9-8FF6-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> <1105112927.4338.9.camel@croce.dyf.it> <DF754FFC-60C8-11D9-914D-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> <p0620071cbe0474ec46f8@[192.168.1.251]> <41DED055.7060409@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <41E0639A.6090500@mdpi.org>

Ralf Bendrath wrote:

> Robert Guerra schrieb:
>
>> Is there such thing as a CS plenary wiki?
>
>
> Francis set one up long ago (for PrepCom 3A), but AFAIK it was never 
> used for plenary work, only for caucuses.
> It still works, but the start page needs some updating.
>
> http://www.wsis-wiki.com/

I guess the wiki will be mostly usefull during PrepCom II.

If you want to use it now or for PrepCom2 Phase II, that's fine.
 Please let me know, sometime in advance however. I will update
the welcome page. But what if the machine breaks when I am in Geneva !

Another more reliable solution is to install a wiki server at the Palais
des Nations.  I can bring a machine for PrepCom II.
 This could be studied.

Best regards

Francis


>
> BTW: What happened to the virtual collaboration Working Group?
> This list <http://lists.si.umich.edu/mailman/listinfo/wsis-virtual> 
> seems to be empty.
>
> Ralf
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>
>
>


-- 

------------------------------------------------------ 
Francis F. MUGUET Ph.D 

MDPI Foundation Open Access Journals
Associate Publisher
http://www.mdpi.org   http://www.mdpi.net
muguet@mdpi.org       muguet@mdpi.net

ENSTA   Paris, France
KNIS lab.  Director 
"Knowledge Networks & Information Society" (KNIS)
muguet@ensta.fr   http://www.ensta.fr/~muguet

World Summit On the Information Society (WSIS)
Civil Society Working Groups
Scientific Information :  http://www.wsis-si.org  chair
Patents & Copyrights   :  http://www.wsis-pct.org co-chair
Financing Mechanismns  :  http://www.wsis-finance.org web

UNMSP project : http://www.unmsp.org
WTIS initiative: http://www.wtis.org
------------------------------------------------------ 


From muguet at mdpi.org  Sat Jan  8 23:45:10 2005
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Virtual Plenary wiki...?
In-Reply-To: <41E0639A.6090500@mdpi.org>
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41DD75F9.4030603@gmx.de> <200501061403.55552.katitza@speedy.com.pe> <C6604F8E-6018-11D9-8FF6-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> <1105112927.4338.9.camel@croce.dyf.it> <DF754FFC-60C8-11D9-914D-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> <p0620071cbe0474ec46f8@[192.168.1.251]> <41DED055.7060409@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <41E0639A.6090500@mdpi.org>
Message-ID: <41E07086.9090005@mdpi.org>

Dr. Francis MUGUET wrote:

> Ralf Bendrath wrote:
>
>> Robert Guerra schrieb:
>>
>>> Is there such thing as a CS plenary wiki?
>>
>>
>>
>> Francis set one up long ago (for PrepCom 3A), but AFAIK it was never 
>> used for plenary work, only for caucuses.
>> It still works, but the start page needs some updating.
>>
>> http://www.wsis-wiki.com/
>
Just checking something about my wiki...
There is a little problem,
just a warning...
 for some reason,  I could not
renew in time ( but I paid for it... )
the domain wsis-wiki.*org* which was
my original site ( I took the .com  just in case
and hosted it also ) and it is the .org where
 I have put my links to ...
and I am just amazed and really upset to
notice tonight that www.wsis-wiki.org has
*squated* by a *porn site*.
(actually a list ).
This is really sick.
I just modified the page to
indicate wsis-wiki.*com*.


Francis


>
> I guess the wiki will be mostly usefull during PrepCom II.
>
> If you want to use it now or for PrepCom2 Phase II, that's fine.
> Please let me know, sometime in advance however. I will update
> the welcome page. But what if the machine breaks when I am in Geneva !
>
> Another more reliable solution is to install a wiki server at the Palais
> des Nations.  I can bring a machine for PrepCom II.
> This could be studied.
>
> Best regards
>
> Francis
>
>
>>
>> BTW: What happened to the virtual collaboration Working Group?
>> This list <http://lists.si.umich.edu/mailman/listinfo/wsis-virtual> 
>> seems to be empty.
>>
>> Ralf
>> _______________________________________________
>> Plenary mailing list
>> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>>
>>
>>
>
>


-- 

------------------------------------------------------ 
Francis F. MUGUET Ph.D 

MDPI Foundation Open Access Journals
Associate Publisher
http://www.mdpi.org   http://www.mdpi.net
muguet@mdpi.org       muguet@mdpi.net

ENSTA   Paris, France
KNIS lab.  Director 
"Knowledge Networks & Information Society" (KNIS)
muguet@ensta.fr   http://www.ensta.fr/~muguet

World Summit On the Information Society (WSIS)
Civil Society Working Groups
Scientific Information :  http://www.wsis-si.org  chair
Patents & Copyrights   :  http://www.wsis-pct.org co-chair
Financing Mechanismns  :  http://www.wsis-finance.org web

UNMSP project : http://www.unmsp.org
WTIS initiative: http://www.wtis.org
------------------------------------------------------ 


From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Sun Jan  9 04:46:54 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Virtual Plenary wiki...?
In-Reply-To: <41E07086.9090005@mdpi.org>
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
 <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41DD75F9.4030603@gmx.de>
 <200501061403.55552.katitza@speedy.com.pe>
 <C6604F8E-6018-11D9-8FF6-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
 <1105112927.4338.9.camel@croce.dyf.it>
 <DF754FFC-60C8-11D9-914D-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
 <p0620071cbe0474ec46f8@[192.168.1.251]>
 <41DED055.7060409@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <41E0639A.6090500@mdpi.org>
 <41E07086.9090005@mdpi.org>
Message-ID: <p06200726be066636cda3@[192.168.1.251]>

Midgard (www.midgard-project.org) is  used by well over 10,000 sites 
worldwide - so it has a great deal of functionality and can handle 
international characters (unicode compliment for the technical types).

I am in the process of migrating from Postnuke and tikiwiki over to 
Midgard, and would highly recommend it. It could be an - option - for 
the Wiki and other technical resources we have been talking about for 
the plenary, bureau and working groups.

Midgard fulfills two key requirements, that it be FOSS and be able to 
handle multi character sets (such as Arabic, russian, etc) .

Below are the set of steps I followed to install the program. Perhaps 
if others can replicate the results, then might I suggest we  - 
possibly - consider using it?

http://www.privaterra.org/blog-rg/getting_started_with_midgard-001.html



regards

Robert
-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From greve at fsfeurope.org  Sun Jan  9 12:10:25 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <41E00C31.6040307@bertola.eu.org> (Vittorio Bertola's message of
	"Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:37:05 +0100")
References: <20050107133551.28114.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com>
	<41DECD28.5040609@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca> <m3y8f4ji5z.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
	<41DFC3F8.4030806@bertola.eu.org> <m3brc0jd5i.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
	<41E00C31.6040307@bertola.eu.org>
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 || On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:37:05 +0100
 || Vittorio Bertola <vb@bertola.eu.org> wrote: 

 vb> I guess we might enter into a long discussion about what "chosen
 vb> by Civil Society" means and how it is defined [...]  [..] In
 vb> fact, at this time it is not defined at all what "chosen by Civil
 vb> Society" means, since it is unclear to me who is entitled to take
 vb> decisions on behalf of civil society.  (To me, it's the Plenary,
 vb> and by voting, [...]

Let me try to explain how I understood this: There is a relatively
clear path going from the thematic working groups through content and
themes into the plenary. It isn't perfect, but it has been the modus
operandi of Civil Society during phase one and I have not seen anyone
asking to discard it.

Decisions are generally reached by consensus, not simple majority.

A very good reason for this is that secure and reliable voting is not
possible online and may indeed never be possible if one follows the
scientific discussion happening in this area. With the machines that
people find acceptable today, there always has to be a paper trail.

Other reasons revolve around Civil Society being a global entity with
parts that have very unequal means of access -- and would therefore be
disadvantaged by a strict voting mechanism.


As to the concrete discussion at hand, http://www.net-gov.org/wgig/
gives the process used here, which is that: "In a first phase, the
caucus asked the Civil Society plenary and caucuses to submit up to
three nominations each. All these nominations, together with those
coming from the Internet Governance Caucus itself, formed the list of
nominees."

As co-coordinators of the Patents, Copyrights and Patents (PCT)
Working Group, Francis Muguet and myself have worked very hard to
provide a meaningful list of people entitled to represent Civil
Society on the issues of PCT and Free Software.

These people are indeed found on the list, online at

  http://www.net-gov.org/wgig/nominees.php


I have to admit that I found the remaining part of the selection
process to be somewhat intransparent, which was probably the source of
my confusion, but indeed the final selection of representatives seems
to have taken place by a Civil Society committee, which decided to
exclude the representatives for the thematic areas of Patents,
Copyrights and Trademarks (PCT) and Free Software from the UN WGIG.

That seems to coincide with the strategy of Mr. Kummer, who also
deliberately removed the thematic area of PCTs from the UN WGIG when
it was set up, although it was found on the list of issues earlier.


Please note that I don't see a major problem in this: 

If a thematic area is not to be part of the working group, then there
is no need to have the chosen representatives for these thematic areas
in the working group.


 vb> so it was Civil Society itself, not the UN, to discard the
 vb> candidates suggested by the PCT Caucus, during its own internal
 vb> selection process.

It seems like I might owe an apology to the UN, which I thought to be
responsible for the choice of thematic areas and its representatives,
thank you for explaining this.

So you are right, it was Civil Society that decided to exclude the
thematic areas of Patents, Copyrights and Trademarks (PCT) and Free
Software from the set of representatives in the WGIG.

All I am asking is to please respect that decision and not extend the
scope beyond the areas it was selected for. 


I ask all Civil Society representatives to please try to make sure
that the others players at the table will also not extend the scope
without having Civil Society representatives for these issues present.

Should it come to that, my personal recommendation and preferrence for
this would be Enrique Chaparro, who is very knowledgeable in the
fields of Free Software, PCT and internet governance. He was properly
selected as the preferred candidate of the PCT working group and is
endorsed by the LAC caucus: http://www.net-gov.org/wgig/chaparro.php

Unless he is at the table, please make sure to point out in the WGIG
that with the current setup, Civil Society is not represented in these
issues whenever someone tries to directly or indirectly address the
issues of PCT or Free Software.

Regards,
Georg

-- 
Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
Free Software Foundation Europe	                 (http://fsfeurope.org)
GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
Brave GNU World	                           (http://brave-gnu-world.org)
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From greve at fsfeurope.org  Sun Jan  9 12:20:33 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
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	"Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:37:05 +0100")
References: <20050107133551.28114.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com>
	<41DECD28.5040609@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca> <m3y8f4ji5z.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
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 || On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:37:05 +0100
 || Vittorio Bertola <vb@bertola.eu.org> wrote: 

 vb> All in all, perhaps this thread should be moved to the Working
 vb> Methods WG, even if in that group too there is some discussion on
 vb> "broad vs narrow" issues... that is, only fixing short term
 vb> issues such as "how do we appoint CS speakers at PrepCom-2",
 vb> rather than trying to settle these high level matters once for
 vb> all.

On a procedural level, I would like to comment that since the plenary
has the highest legitimity imho, issues of who should represent it and
how those representatives should be found have to be given thorough
review and discussion here.

Whatever you may be discussing in the Working Methods WG should be
presented to the plenary and will be reviewed here with the potential
result that it will have to be redone. Involving the plenary to some
amount therefore seems to be quite advisable.


Slightly off-topic and *not* aimed directly at you, Vittorio:

Regarding statements about "broad vs narrow" I believe I said this
before, but will say it again: I am starting to consider any such
statement discrediting to the person making it. 

For me it is relatively easy to find lots of justified arguments why
Free Software or PCT are the broadest issues of them all -- and I know
that others can do the same for their areas.

Never have I encountered anyone during the WSIS who could not make a
reasonable and justified case for this and believe that the issue of
"broad vs narrow" is purely one of perspective and is only used as an
attempt to raise your own topic above all others.

It is a recurring theme of trying to make yourself greater by making
others smaller, which I don't like; and upon realizing this have
stopped using early on in the WSIS.

I hope others will follow that example as I think this is one step
towards cooperation in mutual respect and in a constructive way.

Regards,
Georg

-- 
Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
Free Software Foundation Europe	                 (http://fsfeurope.org)
GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
Brave GNU World	                           (http://brave-gnu-world.org)
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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Sun Jan  9 13:39:55 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:17 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
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(collapsing two messages into one)

Georg C. F. Greve ha scritto:
> Decisions are generally reached by consensus, not simple majority.

This requires the assumption that, in the end, there will always be a 
consensus. The problem is that this is simply false - for example, here we 
don't have any consensus between some people from the PCT Caucus and some 
other from the IG Caucus about the choice of WGIG nominees. In these 
cases, you need a measurable and objective way of taking decisions.

In the absence of this, what happens is that those who directly manage the 
process have the opportunity/responsibility to decide for all, which may 
work in small cohesive groups, but not in a bigger and more diverse 
environment, as civil society has become here (and in this regard I feel 
that things have changed a lot since the first PrepComs in Phase I).

Also, I think we will find it increasingly hard to call for more power and 
weight to be given to civil society in international policy processes, if 
we can't come up with a solid and accountable structure.

> A very good reason for this is that secure and reliable voting is not
> possible online and may indeed never be possible if one follows the
> scientific discussion happening in this area. With the machines that
> people find acceptable today, there always has to be a paper trail.

True, but there are methods who allow for reasonably secure and reasonably 
reliable online voting, fit to the purpose of internal voting among a few 
hundred people.

> That seems to coincide with the strategy of Mr. Kummer, who also
> deliberately removed the thematic area of PCTs from the UN WGIG when
> it was set up, although it was found on the list of issues earlier.

Uhm... I can tell you that PCT is still on the list, otherwise I wouldn't 
be working on a draft right now.

If I'm not wrong, the idea of "connectors" was introduced especially 
because there was not enough room to let all CS groups be represented 
directly in the WGIG, so there should be people officially tasked with 
keeping communications.

Now, the confidentiality rules of WGIG allow non-members to comment on 
issue papers only in a second phase (mark your calendars, that's possibly 
going to be from Jan 31 to Feb 14). But as long as it's my personal draft, 
nothing prevents me from sharing it with whomever I like, so I'd like to 
circulate it among civil society people once it's ready.

> I ask all Civil Society representatives to please try to make sure
> that the others players at the table will also not extend the scope
> without having Civil Society representatives for these issues present.

Please beware that the supporters of the "narrow scope" approach usually 
imply that everything with the Internet works fine, except the 
administration of the DNS, that should be given to the ITU and to 
governments only. I'm sure that this is not what you mean :-)

[CS structures, speaker selection etc]
> Whatever you may be discussing in the Working Methods WG should be
> presented to the plenary and will be reviewed here with the potential
> result that it will have to be redone. Involving the plenary to some
> amount therefore seems to be quite advisable.

See? There's no consensus on this, or at least, we have no idea about who 
should decide whether defining the process for speaker selection is a 
prerogative of the plenary, or of this working group (some of these 
questions where actually forwarded to the working group by the Bureau). 
And if the WG submits a proposal to the Plenary, how can the Plenary 
approve it? By raising hands in Geneva? (and what about those who can't be 
there?) Or by consensus on the list? And who decides whether there is 
consensus?

So I fear that we will waste a lot of time questioning whether we followed 
the right process. Exactly as you do for what concerns WGIG. Or we will 
have to redo things two or three times. Or have the same discussions again 
and again.

That's why I think that we have to build something more solid and better 
defined in terms of processes and responsibilities.
-- 
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From muguet at mdpi.org  Sun Jan  9 20:04:56 2005
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: WSISII, Free Access to Information, Search Engines
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Att: Dr. Sander-Beuermann
C/C Ralf
C/C Plenary

Sorry for my belated answer.
I had put my answer in the draft folder, and I forgot it there.

Dear Wolfgang

>this email to you is because Ralf Bendrath (Germany, Bremen/Berlin, CC set)
>gave me the pointer to contact you.
>
thanks Ralf

> My objective is already very shortly
>described by the subject line of this email: I strongly believe it's beeing
>necessary to introduce a clear and realistic statement into the declarations    
>of WSIS2 concerning the free access to information. Access to information is
>already stated at WSIS1 (Declaration of Principles: B3 no. 24-28, Plan of
>Action: C3), but it does not make sense without more precision regarding the
>process of gaining information.
>  
>
Quite true !
It has been always my feeling that the plan of action was not 
technological enough.
If there are not statements about the technology being used, then we are 
dealing with
vague and inefficient declarations of intent.
It would be a good occasion in the second phase of the WSIS to make more
precise statements and propose technological solutions.
You are most welcome.

>This process is governed in real life by the search engines. Search engines
>nowadays are overtaking the role which libraries have had for centuries. And
>in that field we observe a monopolism which we never had before in mankind:
>  
>
True, a de facto monopoly, and therefore a possible danger by nature

>one company (Google) has practically taken over the market (more than 80%
>marketshare in Germany). This is like if there would be just one library or
>just one newspaper for the whole world. The owner of that one company has
>then gained control over the minds of all human beeings.
>
Partly true, but if Google misuses its power, but it could be punished
very quickly, ... I tend to believe that people could
switch very easily to another search engine that is better,
or simply more fashionable.
People switched very quickly from Altavista to Google.
The situation is quite fluid and is not similar to the situation
with software ( Operating systems or applications ).
May be I am wrong. May be only a fraction of people would
switch.. Is there any study concerning the degree of
"faithfullness" of search engines users ?

> The only "chance"
>might be that an ever bigger monopolist (Microsoft) will take over that
>segment too, which would certainly not generate a better situation.
>
>  
>
Agreed ! , I would not welcome at all Microsoft in this field.
Microsoft has a track record of not playing fair.
As a free software activist, I have no desire to see the
Empire to extend any further.

on the other hand, Google is making a truely massive and
seemingly commendable effort to make available online the
content of Public Libraries ( yet limited by the absurd duration
of the Copyright in the USA where works fall into the public domain
only when they were created before 1923 ! ).

see
Google and Research Libraries Launch Massive Digitization Project
http://www.infotoday.com/newsbreaks/nb041220-2.shtml
http://news.com.com/2100-1025_3-5489903.html

so it might appear wonderfull and nice.

However, it is also the occasion of teaming up with Amazon, when
dealing with copyrighted books, of which only selected pages pages
at random will be available and with a link with Amazon to buy !
http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/14/technology/google_library.reut/
"Google will provide links to search and advertising partner Amazon.com 
<http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?shownav=true&symb=AMZN> (Research 
<http://cnnfn.multexinvestor.com/Reports.aspx?ticker=AMZN>) and
to libraries where the books can be borrowed. Google will get no 
compensation for the links."
Well, Google will get indirect compensation from Amazon...
This is *big business*...
and in this case, I wonder if other online
bookstores could have also their links too... and at what price ?...
therefore if Google maintain its ( fragile ) position as a search engine
monopolist, it could be become the accomplice of a ( less fragile )
bookstore monopoly !


>I strongly feel, that this threat of the information society has to be
>clearly phrased at WSIS2.
>
Agreed.

> I'm working in the field of search engines at
>Hannover University, Germany, since about 8 years
>(http://meta.rrzn.uni-hannover.de/suma-eng.html) and I'm really concerned
>about what happens in this field.  
>  
>
A really serious threat is developing that is still
below the radar of most people, because it is being used
only for scientific information so far.

The fact that scientific information does not belong to the public
domain is one of the greatest scandal of today, when
most of research is publicly funded, and when scientific
authors are donating for *zero money* their articles to
reviews that are horribly expensive to buy.
( This is another topic, but related, it is the
fight for *Open Access to Scientific Information* ).

The Google scholar search engine
http://scholar.google.com/
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-scholar27dec27,0,6529481.story
so far limited to scientific information
allows to search and find "on-free access" content with
a search engine ( with a link to buy of course... )
The search engine is still in its experimental phase,
and the results are far from exhaustive.

The Google scholar search engine allows also to find ( but not always
as I tested on my own papers ) freely available documents,
when scientists have had the good idea to post on their
personnal sites the pdf of their papers ( a practise which is
formally allowed by some publishers, forbidden by other, but
I have not been aware of any litigations so far ).
So the Google scholar search engine has a good side...
it clearly favours Open Access Journals, but concerning
content published in non-free journals, until when, under which conditions ?
"Ed Pentz, executive director of linking specialists (and Google 
partner) CrossRef,
warned: "Some publishers are concerned about the versions of articles 
that are shown in the Google results.""
It is clear that some publishers are not happy to see the freely 
available "version"
showing up in the search instead of linking to the article you must buy.
I am deeply concerned by CrossRef.

The danger is that technically,
it can be generalized to any kind of non-free information and the
Web can be transformed in a shopping mall !

Google may search into "non-free" content with the help of CrossRef
http://www.crossref.org/
http://www.linksolver.com/site/white_paper2.jsp
Publishers must pay to get a DOI from CrossRef and for the DOI
to be resolved into a URL linking directly to a document.
It is managed by
"Publishers International Linking Association, Inc. (PILA),
an independent membership organization comprised of
publishers of original scholarly material. Fees are subject to change 
without notice."

At this stage, it is neccessary to become more precise
http://www.crossref.org/02publishers/16openurl.html
while decrypting the elegiac language
---------------------------------

    * The /OpenURL/ is a mechanism for transporting metadata and
      identifiers describing a publication, for the purpose of
      context-sensitive linking. The OpenURL standard is currently on
      the path to NISO accreditation. (For more information on the
      OpenURL, see http://library.caltech.edu/openurl.)

    * A/ link resolver/ is a system for linking within an institutional
      context that can interpret incoming OpenURLs, take the local
      holdings and access privileges of that institution (usually a
      library) into account, and display links to appropriate resources.
      A link resolver allows the library to provide a range of
      library-configured links and services, including links to the
      full-text, a local catalogue to check print holdings, document
      delivery or ILL services, databases, search engines, etc.
    * /CrossRef/ is a system for the persistent identification of
      scholarly content and cross-publisher citation linking to the
      full-text and related resources using the DOI. CrossRef DOIs link
      to publisher response pages, which include the full bibliographic
      citation and abstract, as well as full-text access (for
      authenticated users or at no charge, as determined by the
      publisher). The publisher response page often includes other
      linking options, such as pay-per-view access, journal table of
      contents and homepage, and associated resources. CrossRef is a
      collaborative membership network, and not a product for purchase.
    * /DOI /stands for Digital Object Identifier and is an open
      standard. A DOI is an alphanumeric name that identifies digital
      content, such as a book or journal article. The DOI is paired with
      the object's electronic address, or URL, in an updateable central
      directory, and is published in place of the URL in order to avoid
      broken links while allowing the content to move as needed. DOIs
      are distributed by publishers and by CrossRef, and there is no
      end-user charge associated with their use..

The DOI and the OpenURL work together in several ways. First, the DOI 
directory itself - where link resolution occurs in the CrossRef system - 
is OpenURL-enabled. This means that it can recognize a user with access 
to a local resolver. When such a user clicks on a DOI, the CrossRef 
system does two key things: (1) it redirects that DOI back to the user's 
local resolver, and (2) it allows the DOI to be used as a key to pull 
metadata out of the CrossRef database, metadata that is needed to create 
the OpenURL targeting the local link resolver. As a result, the 
institutional user clicking on a DOI is directed to appropriate 
resources. By using the CrossRef DOI system to identify their content, 
publishers in effect make their products OpenURL aware.

Secondly, since DOIs greatly streamline linking and data management 
processes for publishers, more publishers are beginning to require that 
the DOI be used as the primary linking mechanism to full text. Link 
resolvers can use the CrossRef system to retrieve the DOI, if the DOI is 
not already available from the source (i.e., citing) document.

In order to take advantage of localized linking, a cookie must be set on 
the user's machine. For information on the Cookie Pusher script, please 
see http://www.exlibris-usa.com/sfx_cookiepusher.htm. (Note that the 
reason this CookiePusher information is available at via SFX is 
historical, due to their role in prototyping this functionality.)

---------------------

The so-called OpenURL is a misnomer,
http://www.fdusa.com/products/olt.html
http://www.sspnet.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3526
it may become a tool that could threaten the freedom of the Web,
the so-call "context-sensitiv?" means whether you are an authorized 
person or not, whether a subscriber or not...
of course, you need a cookie...
( This of concern for censorship and human rights too... this could be a 
tool to implement an Orwellian society )

I hope the danger is clear now for everybody !

10.1037/0003-066X.59.1.29 is a DOI
that resolves into
http://content.apa.org/journals/amp/59/1/29
The DOI can use numeric addreses and therefore it can
bypass the DNS system.
The DOI http://www.doi.org/
is more than a DNS,

"DOI persistently identifies an entity of relevance in an intellectual 
property transaction and associates the entity with relevant data and 
services. An entity can be identified at any arbitrary level of 
granularity. DOIs can be used to identify, for example, text, audio, 
images, software, etc., and in future could be used to identify the 
agreements and parties involved, though initial implementations have 
focussed on "creations"."

We have to be carefull that there is a software patent on DOI !
Pat. No. 6135,646 ?
System for uniquely and persistently identifying, managing and tracking 
digital objects ? 10/24/00.
see also
http://www.contentdirections.com/

One can see that Search Engines + DOI + Software patent
could lead us
towards a consumer's society that would consume and destroy people.
or worse towards an internet turned into a Sci-Fi dictatorship...

I would not like appear as a Cassandra on this topic, that I have been 
warning
the Gouvernance group for quite some time now.
I hope the DOI question would be dealt with at the WGIG, before it is 
too late.
Dr. Jonathan Cave presented by the Scientific Information working group 
would
have been both keen and apt to defend this point at the WGIG, but very 
regreetfully
he was not selected.

>Will you step into this matter too?
>
As you can notice, I am already working
partly on this topic, mostly starting
from is happening in the field of scientific information
( see http://www.wsis-si.org where your expertise is most welcome )
and I can contribute to your efforts.
You are coming with a different background, and with
a direct technical knowledge of how search engines work,
and with a wider scope, this is very interesting.
I am really glad to see a knowledgeable person like you coming in the
WSIS process.

The search engine issue is in my opinion of relevance
to the following groups :
Governance
Patents & Copyrights
Scientific Information

This matter should be dealt with
as a societal issue, it is a global threat,
I agree 100%, but it has been my experience
that it is difficult at times to raise awareness on
technological issues in the WSIS Civil Society.

> I'm looking for people willing to
>act too on this global threat of the information society.
>  
>
Welcome to the Club !

Happy New Year

Francis

>Best Wishes!
>Wolfgang Sander-Beuermann
>--
>Dr. Wolfgang Sander-Beuermann        Tel.: ++49-(0)511-762-4383 Office
>                                           ++49-(0)5085-6118    @Home
>Project Lead SearchEngineLab         http://metager.de/suma-eng.html
>University of Hannover
>
>
>
>  
>


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From lists at mraihi.com  Mon Jan 10 08:13:28 2005
From: lists at mraihi.com (Marouen MRAIHI)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Summit aims to bring about a common plan of action for a GCC wide Information Society
Message-ID: <007601c4f6ec$6353d650$6bfaa8c0@MAROUEN>

 "Representatives from the six GCC governments and international experts
will outline a master plan for building a regional information society
during the 10th Dubtech Summit in Dubai.

With the World Summit on Information Society (WSIS) fast approaching in
November 2005, GCC nations are stepping up preparations to present their
information society achievements at the global forum. But how far has the
region succeeded in creating a knowledge based society? Have GCC nations
been able to include all members of society in the information revolution?
Where is the GCC region in comparison with the rest of the world in terms of
info society development? "

http://www.ameinfo.com/news/Detailed/51784.html



From lists at mraihi.com  Mon Jan 10 08:13:28 2005
From: lists at mraihi.com (Marouen MRAIHI)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Summit aims to bring about a common plan of action for a GCC wide Information Society
Message-ID: <007601c4f6ec$6353d650$6bfaa8c0@MAROUEN>

 "Representatives from the six GCC governments and international experts
will outline a master plan for building a regional information society
during the 10th Dubtech Summit in Dubai.

With the World Summit on Information Society (WSIS) fast approaching in
November 2005, GCC nations are stepping up preparations to present their
information society achievements at the global forum. But how far has the
region succeeded in creating a knowledge based society? Have GCC nations
been able to include all members of society in the information revolution?
Where is the GCC region in comparison with the rest of the world in terms of
info society development? "

http://www.ameinfo.com/news/Detailed/51784.html



From greve at fsfeurope.org  Mon Jan 10 10:07:19 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
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 || On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 14:39:55 +0100
 || Vittorio Bertola <vb@bertola.eu.org> wrote: 

 vb> This requires the assumption that, in the end, there will always
 vb> be a consensus. 

Yes. That is indeed what Civil Society has been practicing -- not
perfectly but as well as it could. 


 vb> Also, I think we will find it increasingly hard to call for more
 vb> power and weight to be given to civil society in international
 vb> policy processes, if we can't come up with a solid and
 vb> accountable structure.

That is very true and I commend any activity to come up with better
structures. As long as they are found, the old structures will have to
be respected, though. And new structures certainly don't become active
retroactively.

The old structure is that the working groups -- as part of content and
themes, which itself is part of the plenary -- take responsibility for
the different thematic areas and are entitled to represent Civil
Society on these issues.

I am quite surprised that you seem to question this as that would also
mean that the internet governance caucus is also not representative
for civil society on internet governance issues and therefore all
Civil Society participants in the WGIG would lose their
representativity on any issue.

In short: if you question that structure as you seem to have done, you
make the statement that Civil Society is not represented in the WGIG,
at all, only some people are there for personal entertainment.

I believe that would be a rather unwise position to take.


 >> That seems to coincide with the strategy of Mr. Kummer, who also
 >> deliberately removed the thematic area of PCTs from the UN WGIG
 >> when it was set up, although it was found on the list of issues
 >> earlier.

 vb> Uhm... I can tell you that PCT is still on the list, 

That is really most interesting, as the last information that reached
the PCT working group about this was

 http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/wsis-pct/2004-November/000653.html

although you said in

 http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/wsis-pct/2004-November/000667.html
 
that you would push hard for PCTs to be put on the list of items.

So -- lacking any other information -- the PCT working group still
assumed that its issues were not among the topics discussed.


 vb> otherwise I wouldn't be working on a draft right now.

Given that the PCT group did not even have knowledge of these issues
being part of the agenda, that is most disturbing, actually. Have you
self-appointed yourself as representative of Civil Society on these
issues now?


 vb> If I'm not wrong, the idea of "connectors" was introduced
 vb> especially because there was not enough room to let all CS groups
 vb> be represented directly in the WGIG, so there should be people
 vb> officially tasked with keeping communications.

There was certainly limited room. But unless there was no more than
one representative of any single group in the WGIG and another group
also should have been included, that is a non-argument.

As it stands, the Internet Governance Caucus has five representatives
in the WGIG and the PCT working group has none -- just like any other
thematic working group.


As Francis rightly pointed out in some mail, it makes little sense to
contribute from the outside, you have to be at the table in order to
react directly to what was said. So the concept of connectors would
only have made sense if they were actually part of the WGIG.

Besides -- you have already proven that the idea of connectors does
not work as I am the connector on PCT issues for Civil Society into
the WGIG: And I neither knew that PCT issues were back on the agenda,
nor did I know that any input on the issue was needed so I could work
together with the PCT working group to facilitate that input.


The essential fact remains: Civil Society is not represented on the
Patents, Copyrights and Trademarks (PCT) and Free Software issues
within the UN WGIG.

Regards,
Georg

-- 
Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
Free Software Foundation Europe	                 (http://fsfeurope.org)
GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
Brave GNU World	                           (http://brave-gnu-world.org)
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From jeanette at wz-berlin.de  Mon Jan 10 11:12:30 2005
From: jeanette at wz-berlin.de (Jeanette Hofmann)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <m3pt0dwqaw.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
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Message-ID: <41E2631E.1090306@wz-berlin.de>



Georg,

> I am quite surprised that you seem to question this as that would also
> mean that the internet governance caucus is also not representative
> for civil society on internet governance issues and therefore all
> Civil Society participants in the WGIG would lose their
> representativity on any issue.

I am surprised that you are surprised. The fact that none of the working 
groups and caucuses can claim to represent civil society has been one 
the basic assumptions shaping the selection process. How could any of 
the CS groups involved in WSIS claim to represent or speak for other CS 
people not actively involved? In a transnatinal setting the concept of 
representativeness doesn't work to begin with. Likewise, civil society 
cannot form representative structures in the sense a parliament may 
represent the people.  The only thing civil society groups can and 
should strive for are legitimate procedures.

> 
> In short: if you question that structure as you seem to have done, you
> make the statement that Civil Society is not represented in the WGIG,
> at all, only some people are there for personal entertainment.

I don't think 'personal entertainment' is a necessary alternative to 
representation. We had put together a list of competences and features 
we wanted to see involved in WGIG. The call for nomination talks about 
"diversity", representativity:

"We consider it critical that a balanced WGIG be drawn from a multi 
dimensional consideration of diversity.  That is, diversity in terms of 
sector, region, gender, and language background, among others, must be 
considered in assembling the WGIG.  It is also important that there be a 
balance between members from developing and developed countries.  It is 
also considered very important that candidates have a degree of 
knowledge of the issues, including policy, legal and technical, involved 
in the Internet governance debate. We also suggest candidates should 
have experience working in an international committee environment, be 
aware of ICT for development issues and human rights. No candidate is 
expected to have all these qualities, but we are suggesting they should 
be people with broad experience.

It is considered critical that though all participants come from 
different perspectives, they should be people who are willing to listen 
and consider carefully the views of others.  It is expected that the 
best outcome for the WGIG will come from an assembly of open minded 
individuals who can share their knowledge and expertise in an 
cooperative manner."

jeanette

> 
> I believe that would be a rather unwise position to take.
> 
> 
>  >> That seems to coincide with the strategy of Mr. Kummer, who also
>  >> deliberately removed the thematic area of PCTs from the UN WGIG
>  >> when it was set up, although it was found on the list of issues
>  >> earlier.
> 
>  vb> Uhm... I can tell you that PCT is still on the list, 
> 
> That is really most interesting, as the last information that reached
> the PCT working group about this was
> 
>  http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/wsis-pct/2004-November/000653.html
> 
> although you said in
> 
>  http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/wsis-pct/2004-November/000667.html
>  
> that you would push hard for PCTs to be put on the list of items.
> 
> So -- lacking any other information -- the PCT working group still
> assumed that its issues were not among the topics discussed.
> 
> 
>  vb> otherwise I wouldn't be working on a draft right now.
> 
> Given that the PCT group did not even have knowledge of these issues
> being part of the agenda, that is most disturbing, actually. Have you
> self-appointed yourself as representative of Civil Society on these
> issues now?
> 
> 
>  vb> If I'm not wrong, the idea of "connectors" was introduced
>  vb> especially because there was not enough room to let all CS groups
>  vb> be represented directly in the WGIG, so there should be people
>  vb> officially tasked with keeping communications.
> 
> There was certainly limited room. But unless there was no more than
> one representative of any single group in the WGIG and another group
> also should have been included, that is a non-argument.
> 
> As it stands, the Internet Governance Caucus has five representatives
> in the WGIG and the PCT working group has none -- just like any other
> thematic working group.
> 
> 
> As Francis rightly pointed out in some mail, it makes little sense to
> contribute from the outside, you have to be at the table in order to
> react directly to what was said. So the concept of connectors would
> only have made sense if they were actually part of the WGIG.
> 
> Besides -- you have already proven that the idea of connectors does
> not work as I am the connector on PCT issues for Civil Society into
> the WGIG: And I neither knew that PCT issues were back on the agenda,
> nor did I know that any input on the issue was needed so I could work
> together with the PCT working group to facilitate that input.
> 
> 
> The essential fact remains: Civil Society is not represented on the
> Patents, Copyrights and Trademarks (PCT) and Free Software issues
> within the UN WGIG.
> 
> Regards,
> Georg
> 

From vb at bertola.eu.org  Mon Jan 10 12:22:05 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: WSISII, Free Access to Information,
	Search Engines
In-Reply-To: <41E18E68.4020503@mdpi.org>
References: <200412262057.iBQKvLYL028181@rayserv.rrzn.uni-hannover.de>
	 <41E18E68.4020503@mdpi.org>
Message-ID: <1105359725.3939.26.camel@croce.dyf.it>

Il giorno dom, 09-01-2005 alle 21:04 +0100, Dr. Francis MUGUET ha
scritto: 
> If there are not statements about the technology being used, then we are 
> dealing with
> vague and inefficient declarations of intent.
> It would be a good occasion in the second phase of the WSIS to make more
> precise statements and propose technological solutions.

I share this point, but I am also worried that (correct me if I'm wrong)
among most stakeholder representatives at WSIS there does not seem to be
the necessary knowledge to hold a discussion on very technical
measures. 

Perhaps an alternate solution would be ensuring that the technical
governance mechanisms for the various issues are actually multilateral,
so that we can later send the right technical people to participate in
the technical discussions. 

Or, the Summit could point out areas in which technical actions have to
be defined and then ask for the creation of specific working groups,
much like it was done for the WGIG.

> Partly true, but if Google misuses its power, but it could be punished
> very quickly, ... I tend to believe that people could
> switch very easily to another search engine that is better,
> or simply more fashionable.
> People switched very quickly from Altavista to Google. 
> The situation is quite fluid and is not similar to the situation
> with software ( Operating systems or applications ).

I don't think that this would actually work. Google is becoming more and
more like a television broadcaster - it selects the content you should
watch. If it started to alter results in a not too evident way, I think
that most users wouldn't even notice - exactly like most users are not
easily able to detect reality alterations made in TV news and shows.

[...]
> I hope the DOI question would be dealt with at the WGIG, before it is 
> too late.

We could raise it, but we have to be sure to which macro-issues it
pertains (privacy? consumer rights? accessibility of information?) and
which governance framework we would advocate for it.
-- 
vb.             [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...


From westasiaregion at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 10 12:49:14 2005
From: westasiaregion at hotmail.com (west)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Iran: Journalists Receive Death Threats After Testifying
Message-ID: <BAY10-DAV241C615CB84AC71BB9B06D8970@phx.gbl>

Iran: Journalists Receive Death Threats After Testifying 

Presidential Commission Heard Their Testimony of Torture During 

Detention 

(New York, January 6, 2005) -- After testifying to a presidential 

commission about their torture during detention, a group of Iranian 

journalists have received death threats from judicial officials under 

Tehran chief prosecutor Saeed Mortazavi, Human Rights Watch said today. 

Human Rights Watch is extremely concerned about the safety of the 

journalists, whose testimony to a presidential commission, tasked with 

investigating mistreatment of detainees, provided detailed information on 

their torture and mistreatment while they were detained, without being 

charged, by secret squads operating under the authority of the judiciary. 

"We want the Iranian government to know that the world is watching what 

happens to these young journalists. The Iranian government is responsible 

for their safety," said Sarah Leah Whitson, executive director of Middle 

East and North Africa Division at Human Rights Watch. "The Iranian 

authorities should be protecting citizens who testify before presidential 

commissions instead of sending them death threats." 

On December 25, Hanif Mazroi, Massoud Ghoreishi, Fereshteh Ghazi, 

Arash Naderpour and Mahbobeh Abasgholizadeh?all of whom are journalists 

detained by the government?testified about their detention before the 

presidential commission. Fereshteh Ghazi provided details of her 

treatment by interrogators, including severe beatings that resulted 

in a broken nose during one interrogation session. The detainees were 

kept under lengthy solitary confinement in a secret detention center 

and were repeatedly subjected to psychological and physical torture. 

On January 1 two other former detainees, Omid Memarian and Ruzbeh 

Mir Ebrahimi, also appeared in front of the commission. In their 

testimonies, as made public by commission member Mohammad Ali 

Abtahi, they confirmed details of their torture. 

Since their appearances before the commission, Saeed Mortazavi, chief 

prosecutor of Tehran, has threatened each of these former detainees with 

lengthy prison sentences and harm to their family members, as punishment 

for their testimony. Mortazavi continues to issue numerous subpoenas for 

the journalists without specifying charges. His operatives also harass the 

journalists by phone on a daily basis. 

On January 3, Mortazavi held a press conference denying any mistreatment 

of detainees and threatening to prosecute the former detainees for 

"allegations against security forces and prison officials that 

are politically motivated." 

The journalists? testimonies exposed Mortazavi?s role in authorizing 

their torture to extract confessions and in compelling them to appear on 

television to deny their mistreatment while under detention. 

"The brave testimony of these young journalists has reaffirmed evidence 

of Mortazavi?s leading role in the torture of detainees," said Whitson. 

"It?s high time for the Iranian government to investigate Mortazavi?s abuses 

and bring him to justice." 

Saeed Mortazavi has spearheaded the judiciary?s attack on press freedoms 

since the current crackdown began in 2000. He is responsible for the 

closure of numerous newspapers, as well as the arrests and prosecution of 

journalists, which is detailed in the recent Human Right Watch report on 

Iran, "Like the Dead in their Coffins." The report can be found at: 

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From richardjordan at lycos.com  Mon Jan 10 12:53:33 2005
From: richardjordan at lycos.com (richard jordan)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
Message-ID: <20050110125333.4840F30E7DF@ws7-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

Hi, Jeanette, Concerning a representative assembly of NGOs, there has for over 20 years been an active group of people from around the world who have been working on the concept of a 2nd Assembly of NGOs that would exist parallel to the UN General Assembly.

Most likely, in UN terms, there might eventually be some type of mechanism, such as a group of parliamentarians or local authorities, or even of spiritual leaders (probably very unlikely), but just to say that there are opinions contrary to what you state about representative structures, although you do qualify it with one possible example, that is, a parliament.

Richard Jordan
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeanette Hofmann" <jeanette@wz-berlin.de>
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org, greve@fsfeurope.org
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:12:30 +0100

> 
> 
> 
> 
> Georg,
> 
> > I am quite surprised that you seem to question this as that would also
> > mean that the internet governance caucus is also not representative
> > for civil society on internet governance issues and therefore all
> > Civil Society participants in the WGIG would lose their
> > representativity on any issue.
> 
> I am surprised that you are surprised. The fact that none of the 
> working groups and caucuses can claim to represent civil society 
> has been one the basic assumptions shaping the selection process. 
> How could any of the CS groups involved in WSIS claim to represent 
> or speak for other CS people not actively involved? In a 
> transnatinal setting the concept of representativeness doesn't work 
> to begin with. Likewise, civil society cannot form representative 
> structures in the sense a parliament may represent the people.  The 
> only thing civil society groups can and should strive for are 
> legitimate procedures.
> 
> >
> > In short: if you question that structure as you seem to have done, you
> > make the statement that Civil Society is not represented in the WGIG,
> > at all, only some people are there for personal entertainment.
> 
> I don't think 'personal entertainment' is a necessary alternative 
> to representation. We had put together a list of competences and 
> features we wanted to see involved in WGIG. The call for nomination 
> talks about "diversity", representativity:
> 
> "We consider it critical that a balanced WGIG be drawn from a multi 
> dimensional consideration of diversity.  That is, diversity in 
> terms of sector, region, gender, and language background, among 
> others, must be considered in assembling the WGIG.  It is also 
> important that there be a balance between members from developing 
> and developed countries.  It is also considered very important that 
> candidates have a degree of knowledge of the issues, including 
> policy, legal and technical, involved in the Internet governance 
> debate. We also suggest candidates should have experience working 
> in an international committee environment, be aware of ICT for 
> development issues and human rights. No candidate is expected to 
> have all these qualities, but we are suggesting they should be 
> people with broad experience.
> 
> It is considered critical that though all participants come from 
> different perspectives, they should be people who are willing to 
> listen and consider carefully the views of others.  It is expected 
> that the best outcome for the WGIG will come from an assembly of 
> open minded individuals who can share their knowledge and expertise 
> in an cooperative manner."
> 
> jeanette
> 
> >
> > I believe that would be a rather unwise position to take.
> >
> >
> >  >> That seems to coincide with the strategy of Mr. Kummer, who also
> >  >> deliberately removed the thematic area of PCTs from the UN WGIG
> >  >> when it was set up, although it was found on the list of issues
> >  >> earlier.
> >
> >  vb> Uhm... I can tell you that PCT is still on the list, That is 
> > really most interesting, as the last information that reached
> > the PCT working group about this was
> >
> >  http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/wsis-pct/2004-November/000653.html
> >
> > although you said in
> >
> >  http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/wsis-pct/2004-November/000667.html
> >
> > that you would push hard for PCTs to be put on the list of items.
> >
> > So -- lacking any other information -- the PCT working group still
> > assumed that its issues were not among the topics discussed.
> >
> >
> >  vb> otherwise I wouldn't be working on a draft right now.
> >
> > Given that the PCT group did not even have knowledge of these issues
> > being part of the agenda, that is most disturbing, actually. Have you
> > self-appointed yourself as representative of Civil Society on these
> > issues now?
> >
> >
> >  vb> If I'm not wrong, the idea of "connectors" was introduced
> >  vb> especially because there was not enough room to let all CS groups
> >  vb> be represented directly in the WGIG, so there should be people
> >  vb> officially tasked with keeping communications.
> >
> > There was certainly limited room. But unless there was no more than
> > one representative of any single group in the WGIG and another group
> > also should have been included, that is a non-argument.
> >
> > As it stands, the Internet Governance Caucus has five representatives
> > in the WGIG and the PCT working group has none -- just like any other
> > thematic working group.
> >
> >
> > As Francis rightly pointed out in some mail, it makes little sense to
> > contribute from the outside, you have to be at the table in order to
> > react directly to what was said. So the concept of connectors would
> > only have made sense if they were actually part of the WGIG.
> >
> > Besides -- you have already proven that the idea of connectors does
> > not work as I am the connector on PCT issues for Civil Society into
> > the WGIG: And I neither knew that PCT issues were back on the agenda,
> > nor did I know that any input on the issue was needed so I could work
> > together with the PCT working group to facilitate that input.
> >
> >
> > The essential fact remains: Civil Society is not represented on the
> > Patents, Copyrights and Trademarks (PCT) and Free Software issues
> > within the UN WGIG.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Georg
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
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From ca at rits.org.br  Mon Jan 10 13:10:55 2005
From: ca at rits.org.br (Carlos Afonso)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Virtual Plenary wiki...?
In-Reply-To: <41E07086.9090005@mdpi.org>
References: <63C7D3BC-5F4C-11D9-AD64-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> <m3u0puzzi0.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41DD75F9.4030603@gmx.de> <200501061403.55552.katitza@speedy.com.pe> <C6604F8E-6018-11D9-8FF6-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> <1105112927.4338.9.camel@croce.dyf.it> <DF754FFC-60C8-11D9-914D-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> <p0620071cbe0474ec46f8@[192.168.1.251]> <41DED055.7060409@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <41E0639A.6090500@mdpi.org> <41E07086.9090005@mdpi.org>
Message-ID: <41E27EDF.8070701@rits.org.br>

Dear Francis,

Such is the nature of the grand business of selling gTLDs, .org or 
otherwise.

rgds

--c.a.

Dr. Francis MUGUET wrote:

> Dr. Francis MUGUET wrote:
>
>> Ralf Bendrath wrote:
>>
>>> Robert Guerra schrieb:
>>>
>>>> Is there such thing as a CS plenary wiki?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Francis set one up long ago (for PrepCom 3A), but AFAIK it was never 
>>> used for plenary work, only for caucuses.
>>> It still works, but the start page needs some updating.
>>>
>>> http://www.wsis-wiki.com/
>>
>>
> Just checking something about my wiki...
> There is a little problem,
> just a warning...
> for some reason,  I could not
> renew in time ( but I paid for it... )
> the domain wsis-wiki.*org* which was
> my original site ( I took the .com  just in case
> and hosted it also ) and it is the .org where
> I have put my links to ...
> and I am just amazed and really upset to
> notice tonight that www.wsis-wiki.org has
> *squated* by a *porn site*.
> (actually a list ).
> This is really sick.
> I just modified the page to
> indicate wsis-wiki.*com*.
>
>
> Francis

 

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From greve at fsfeurope.org  Mon Jan 10 13:33:06 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <41E2631E.1090306@wz-berlin.de> (Jeanette Hofmann's message of
	"Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:12:30 +0100")
References: <20050107133551.28114.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com>
	<41DECD28.5040609@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca> <m3y8f4ji5z.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
	<41DFC3F8.4030806@bertola.eu.org> <m3brc0jd5i.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
	<41E00C31.6040307@bertola.eu.org> <m3zmzig5vy.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
	<41E1342B.5080108@bertola.eu.org> <m3pt0dwqaw.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
	<41E2631E.1090306@wz-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <m3ekgtv27h.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>

 || On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:12:30 +0100
 || Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette@wz-berlin.de> wrote: 

 jh> [...] How could any of the CS groups involved in WSIS claim to
 jh> represent or speak for other CS people not actively involved?

Thank you for calling me to precision: Indeed you are right that my
statements were made regarding those that are actively involved in the
WSIS process. 

So I should say that the actively involved Civil Society in WSIS is
not represented on issues of Patents, Copyrights and Trademarks (PCT)
as well as Free Software.

Regarding your statements about skills and experience, I believe that
all suggested candidates from the PCT Working Group met those
criteria.

Regarding your statements of diversity, Enrique Chaparro, whom I
endorsed, is from a Southern Country (Argentina) and Beatriz Busaniche
is female as well as also from a Southern Country. Both have been put
forward by the PCT Working Group in time and with all necessary
information.

Regards,
Georg

-- 
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Free Software Foundation Europe	                 (http://fsfeurope.org)
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From kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Mon Jan 10 13:45:32 2005
From: kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_Kleinw=E4chter?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
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Dear George and others,
 
could we go beyond this rather extraordinary ping-pong playing, agree to disagree for while, reduce the level of surprise and come back to substance.
 
Could somebody from the PTC community give me (and other WGIG members) a clearer picture about the real conflicts on e-Mail Authentication and the related software (SPF vs. Caller ID and other more or less creative new services). This is to a high degree also a governance issue (FTC, ITU, OECD, IETF and probably also ICANN) and it will be relevant for a number of WGIG issues, in particular "Spam". 
 
What the FOSS community wants to see as a priority aspect here and where we should go?
 
Best
 
wolfgang
 
    
 
 

________________________________

Von: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org im Auftrag von Georg C. F. Greve
Gesendet: Mo 10.01.2005 14:33
An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Betreff: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online



 || On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:12:30 +0100
 || Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette@wz-berlin.de> wrote:

 jh> [...] How could any of the CS groups involved in WSIS claim to
 jh> represent or speak for other CS people not actively involved?

Thank you for calling me to precision: Indeed you are right that my
statements were made regarding those that are actively involved in the
WSIS process.

So I should say that the actively involved Civil Society in WSIS is
not represented on issues of Patents, Copyrights and Trademarks (PCT)
as well as Free Software.

Regarding your statements about skills and experience, I believe that
all suggested candidates from the PCT Working Group met those
criteria.

Regarding your statements of diversity, Enrique Chaparro, whom I
endorsed, is from a Southern Country (Argentina) and Beatriz Busaniche
is female as well as also from a Southern Country. Both have been put
forward by the PCT Working Group in time and with all necessary
information.

Regards,
Georg

--
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Free Software Foundation Europe                  (http://fsfeurope.org)
GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Mon Jan 10 13:53:43 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Summit aims to bring about a common plan of
 action for a GCC wide Information Society
In-Reply-To: <007601c4f6ec$6353d650$6bfaa8c0@MAROUEN>
References: <007601c4f6ec$6353d650$6bfaa8c0@MAROUEN>
Message-ID: <p0620073abe083891eff4@[192.168.1.251]>

Marouen:


I was one of the speakers at last year's  Dubtech conference, and 
could try to facilitate contacts at the coming prepcom in feb


robert

At 9:13 AM +0100 1/10/05, Marouen MRAIHI wrote:
>  "Representatives from the six GCC governments and international experts
>will outline a master plan for building a regional information society
>during the 10th Dubtech Summit in Dubai.
>
>With the World Summit on Information Society (WSIS) fast approaching in
>November 2005, GCC nations are stepping up preparations to present their
>information society achievements at the global forum. But how far has the
>region succeeded in creating a knowledge based society? Have GCC nations
>been able to include all members of society in the information revolution?
>Where is the GCC region in comparison with the rest of the world in terms of
>info society development? "

-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Mon Jan 10 13:57:31 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <m3ekgtv27h.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
References: <20050107133551.28114.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com>
 <41DECD28.5040609@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca> <m3y8f4ji5z.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
 <41DFC3F8.4030806@bertola.eu.org> <m3brc0jd5i.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
 <41E00C31.6040307@bertola.eu.org> <m3zmzig5vy.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
 <41E1342B.5080108@bertola.eu.org> <m3pt0dwqaw.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
 <41E2631E.1090306@wz-berlin.de> <m3ekgtv27h.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
Message-ID: <p0620073bbe0839982dad@[192.168.1.251]>

Getting back to the original thread and subject of the message....


is there any news on contacting the officials behind the UN document 
system? if not, who might volunteer to start drafting a 
statement...time to act is running short..

I mention this it would be a good idea to have a CS statement 
presented at two upcoming events -

* African Regional meeting - First week in Feb
* PrepCom - 2/3 week of Feb

regards

Robert



-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From ca at rits.org.br  Mon Jan 10 14:31:29 2005
From: ca at rits.org.br (Carlos Afonso)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <p0620073bbe0839982dad@[192.168.1.251]>
References: <20050107133551.28114.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> <41DECD28.5040609@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca> <m3y8f4ji5z.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41DFC3F8.4030806@bertola.eu.org> <m3brc0jd5i.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41E00C31.6040307@bertola.eu.org> <m3zmzig5vy.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41E1342B.5080108@bertola.eu.org> <m3pt0dwqaw.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41E2631E.1090306@wz-berlin.de> <m3ekgtv27h.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <p0620073bbe0839982dad@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <41E291C1.4050802@rits.org.br>

Robert, maybe you could suggest that a small, informal working group 
drafts the text. I would be happy to help.

frt rgds

--c.a.

Robert Guerra wrote:

>
> Getting back to the original thread and subject of the message....
>
>
> is there any news on contacting the officials behind the UN document 
> system? if not, who might volunteer to start drafting a 
> statement...time to act is running short..
>
> I mention this it would be a good idea to have a CS statement 
> presented at two upcoming events -
>
> * African Regional meeting - First week in Feb
> * PrepCom - 2/3 week of Feb
>
> regards
>
> Robert
>
>
>

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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Mon Jan 10 15:42:03 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Announcement -  Focal Point Blog - NA & Europe
Message-ID: <p06200742be085194cce1@[192.168.1.251]>

Following up on call for more transparency and openness - and the use 
of blogs ... I'd like to announce that i've setup a blog to report 
and comment on my ongoing activities as CSB Focal Point for North 
America and Europe.

The address is as follows:
http://www.privaterra.org/activities/wsis/blog
(yes, it is syndication enabled)

I look forward to your comments.

regards

Robert


-- 
###
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Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From acarvin at edc.org  Mon Jan 10 16:00:23 2005
From: acarvin at edc.org (Andy Carvin)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Webcast: How the Internet & New Media are Reshaping Tsunami Relief
 Efforts
Message-ID: <41E2A697.2060904@edc.org>

Webcast: How the Internet & New Media are Reshaping Tsunami Relief Efforts

Wednesday,  January 12, 10:00 EST/ 15:00 GMT
http://www.digitaldivide.net/community/disaster-relief/

(please feel free to circulate this announcement)

You are cordially invited to participate in a live webcast hosted by the 
Digital Divide Network this Wednesday, January 12 at 10am EST (15:00 
GMT, 7:00 California time) on the role of the Internet  and new media in 
tsunami relief efforts. The webcast will examine how blogs, RSS feeds, 
SMS text messaging and other tools are being used in response to the 
tsunami, their strengths and limitations, and the role these 
technologies may play in future natural disasters.

Guest Speakers:

Dina Mehta, co-founder of tsunamihelp.blogspot.com, Mumbai, India

Dina Mehta is a qualitative researcher and ethnographer based in Mumbai. 
  In the hours following the tsunami, she and a group of South Asian 
bloggers created the Southeast Asia Earthquake and Tsunami Blog 
(http://tsunamihelp.blogspot.com), the Internet's largest 
volunteer-driven portal for tsunami relief news and resources. For the 
last 16 years she has been a market researcher with a special interest 
in youth markets and in longitudinal ethnographic research and 
user-design studies.

Taran Rampersad, Internet activist and coordinator of Alert Retrieval 
Cache (ARC), Trinidad & Tobago

A former hospital corpsman in the U.S. Navy, Taran Rampersad is an 
Internet activist and writer based in Trinidad & Tobago.  Taran serves 
as editor of the Linux Gazette and contributor to WorldChanging.com, 
among other blogs and online magazines . As part of the team of 
volunteers contributing to the tsunamihelp blog, Taran proposed the 
development of a tool that would allow SMS text messages from mobile 
phones to be routed to email lists and other SMS users, using key words 
to connect relief workers on the ground with sources of materials and 
supplies. This led to the development of Alert Retrieval Cache (ARC), 
which has been covered by the BBC and other media in the last week.

Moderator: Andy Carvin, Digital Divide Network

Andy Carvin is director of the Digital Divide Network 
(http://www.digitaldivide.net), the Internet's leading online community 
for news and information on the digital divide. In late December, Andy 
published Tsunami-Info.org, a news website that aggregates 
tsunami-related headlines from blogs and news wire feeds from around the 
world. On September 11, 2001, Andy created SEPT11INFO, the first online 
discussion group for sharing resources and information on the terrorist 
attacks that had occurred that morning. For the first 24 hours, the list 
processed emails at a rate of one new messages a minute, one of the 
highest-traffic discussion groups to date.

The webcast is free and open to the public. To participate, please visit 
http://www.digitaldivide.net/community/disaster-relief/ and click on the 
link "Virtual Meeting Room." You'll then be asked to enter your name; at 
this point, the website will download the e-conference tool onto your 
desktop. The process may take several minutes, so participants are 
advised to enter the virtual meeting room 15 minutes prior to the event. 
Users experiencing technical problems are encouraged to email 
help@learningtimes.net for assistance.



-- 
-----------------------------------
Andy Carvin
Program Director
EDC Center for Media & Community
acarvin @ edc . org
http://www.digitaldivide.net
http://www.tsunami-info.org
Blog: http://www.andycarvin.com
-----------------------------------


From echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar  Mon Jan 10 15:51:00 2005
From: echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar (Enrique A. Chaparro)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <ACADB74FBBEFD94795A03FDBBDE62D3716FA9F@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
References: <ACADB74FBBEFD94795A03FDBBDE62D3716FA9F@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
Message-ID: <20050110155100.726e1a27.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:45:32 +0100
Wolfgang Kleinw?chter <kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:

WK> Could somebody from the PTC community give me (and other WGIG members)
WK> a clearer picture about the real conflicts on e-Mail Authentication
WK> and the related software (SPF vs. Caller ID and other more or less
WK> creative new services). This is to a high degree also a governance
WK> issue (FTC, ITU, OECD, IETF and probably also ICANN) and it will be
WK> relevant for a number of WGIG issues, in particular "Spam". 
WK>  
WK> What the FOSS community wants to see as a priority aspect here and
WK> where we should go?
WK>  
WK> Best
WK>  
WK> wolfgang

Wolfgang,

To make a long story short, the main issues regarding SPF, etc. are:

(a) No patented technology could be adopted as a standard (unless it
    is licensed royalty-free, universally, and with no restrictions at
    all). If a patented technology is adopted, free software programs
    (which handle the overwhelming majority of Internet's email traffic)
    could not implement it.

(b) Even if a patent-unencumbered sender identification technology is
    adopted, that will NOT solve the current unsolicited email issues.
    Such technologies provide just a way to authenticate the sender,
    not to prevent the mass mailing of messages. Sender authentication
    should raise privacy concerns[1], without providing a solution
    to spamming.

If you want to discuss the issues in more detail, please let me know.

Regards,

Enrique

Note:
[1] Anytime you deal with email, please try to do the analogy with
    conventional mail. Each and every protection that the laws have
    granted to postal mail must be considered for email.
-- 
``Izena duen guzia omen da.''
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From rikp at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 10 16:37:06 2005
From: rikp at earthlink.net (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <p0620073bbe0839982dad@[192.168.1.251]>
References: <20050107133551.28114.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> <41DECD28.5040609@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca> <m3y8f4ji5z.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41DFC3F8.4030806@bertola.eu.org> <m3brc0jd5i.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41E00C31.6040307@bertola.eu.org> <m3zmzig5vy.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41E1342B.5080108@bertola.eu.org> <m3pt0dwqaw.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <41E2631E.1090306@wz-berlin.de> <m3ekgtv27h.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg> <p0620073bbe0839982dad@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <DD66295A-6325-11D9-AD90-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>

I sent off an email to the NGO liaison to the Department of Public 
Information on Friday late, in particular looking for the correct 
technical and organizational point-person for further dialogue and 
feedback on these issues.

The New York offices of lots of UN bodies don't really get going in the 
new year until today, so we shouldn't expect much response until 
perhaps Wednesday.  But if people would like to start drafting a 
statement, I think that would be ok.

Frankly I am more interested in getting an ongoing feedback loop and 
dialogue going between civil society and the technical staff and 
managers at the UN.  Just delivering a statement to them seems a little 
simplistic to me, since user consultation is a continual process not an 
event.  Creating a big political statement and delivering it to 
governments might just as easily backfire on us by alienating the very 
UN office and staffers we are trying to develop closer relationships 
with.

Rik Panganiban
CONGO

On Jan 10, 2005, at 8:57 AM, Robert Guerra wrote:

>
> Getting back to the original thread and subject of the message....
>
>
> is there any news on contacting the officials behind the UN document 
> system? if not, who might volunteer to start drafting a 
> statement...time to act is running short..
>
> I mention this it would be a good idea to have a CS statement 
> presented at two upcoming events -
>
> * African Regional meeting - First week in Feb
> * PrepCom - 2/3 week of Feb
>
> regards
>
> Robert
>
>
>
> -- 
> ###
> Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
> Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>
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(CONGO)
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email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524

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From ecarll at optonline.net  Mon Jan 10 16:39:52 2005
From: ecarll at optonline.net (Elizabeth Carll, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Webcast: How the Internet & New Media are
 Reshaping Tsunami Relief Efforts
In-Reply-To: <41E2A697.2060904@edc.org>
Message-ID: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCIEHIIHAA.ecarll@optonline.net>

Hi Andy,

The webcast sounds very interesting.  Will the webcast be available on the
website for those of us who cannot attend on Wednesday?

Elizabeth

Dr. Elizabeth Carll
Focal Point to WSIS
International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies
Chair, Media/ICT Working Group,
UN NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of Andy Carvin
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 11:00 AM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Webcast: How the Internet & New Media are
Reshaping Tsunami Relief Efforts


Webcast: How the Internet & New Media are Reshaping Tsunami Relief Efforts

Wednesday,  January 12, 10:00 EST/ 15:00 GMT
http://www.digitaldivide.net/community/disaster-relief/

(please feel free to circulate this announcement)

You are cordially invited to participate in a live webcast hosted by the
Digital Divide Network this Wednesday, January 12 at 10am EST (15:00
GMT, 7:00 California time) on the role of the Internet  and new media in
tsunami relief efforts. The webcast will examine how blogs, RSS feeds,
SMS text messaging and other tools are being used in response to the
tsunami, their strengths and limitations, and the role these
technologies may play in future natural disasters.

Guest Speakers:

Dina Mehta, co-founder of tsunamihelp.blogspot.com, Mumbai, India

Dina Mehta is a qualitative researcher and ethnographer based in Mumbai.
  In the hours following the tsunami, she and a group of South Asian
bloggers created the Southeast Asia Earthquake and Tsunami Blog
(http://tsunamihelp.blogspot.com), the Internet's largest
volunteer-driven portal for tsunami relief news and resources. For the
last 16 years she has been a market researcher with a special interest
in youth markets and in longitudinal ethnographic research and
user-design studies.

Taran Rampersad, Internet activist and coordinator of Alert Retrieval
Cache (ARC), Trinidad & Tobago

A former hospital corpsman in the U.S. Navy, Taran Rampersad is an
Internet activist and writer based in Trinidad & Tobago.  Taran serves
as editor of the Linux Gazette and contributor to WorldChanging.com,
among other blogs and online magazines . As part of the team of
volunteers contributing to the tsunamihelp blog, Taran proposed the
development of a tool that would allow SMS text messages from mobile
phones to be routed to email lists and other SMS users, using key words
to connect relief workers on the ground with sources of materials and
supplies. This led to the development of Alert Retrieval Cache (ARC),
which has been covered by the BBC and other media in the last week.

Moderator: Andy Carvin, Digital Divide Network

Andy Carvin is director of the Digital Divide Network
(http://www.digitaldivide.net), the Internet's leading online community
for news and information on the digital divide. In late December, Andy
published Tsunami-Info.org, a news website that aggregates
tsunami-related headlines from blogs and news wire feeds from around the
world. On September 11, 2001, Andy created SEPT11INFO, the first online
discussion group for sharing resources and information on the terrorist
attacks that had occurred that morning. For the first 24 hours, the list
processed emails at a rate of one new messages a minute, one of the
highest-traffic discussion groups to date.

The webcast is free and open to the public. To participate, please visit
http://www.digitaldivide.net/community/disaster-relief/ and click on the
link "Virtual Meeting Room." You'll then be asked to enter your name; at
this point, the website will download the e-conference tool onto your
desktop. The process may take several minutes, so participants are
advised to enter the virtual meeting room 15 minutes prior to the event.
Users experiencing technical problems are encouraged to email
help@learningtimes.net for assistance.



--
-----------------------------------
Andy Carvin
Program Director
EDC Center for Media & Community
acarvin @ edc . org
http://www.digitaldivide.net
http://www.tsunami-info.org
Blog: http://www.andycarvin.com
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From martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar  Mon Jan 10 16:52:42 2005
From: martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar (Martin Olivera)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <m3ekgtv27h.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
Message-ID: <20050110165242.64531.qmail@web52304.mail.yahoo.com>

 --- "Georg C. F. Greve" <greve@fsfeurope.org>
escribi?: 
> Regarding your statements of diversity, Enrique
> Chaparro, whom I
> endorsed, is from a Southern Country (Argentina) and
> Beatriz Busaniche
> is female as well as also from a Southern Country.
> Both have been put
> forward by the PCT Working Group in time and with
> all necessary
> information.

In the same way, Beatriz Busaniche and Enrique
Chaparro (from Argentina) were also nominees together
with Mario Teza from Brazil from LAC Caucus.

As it is shown in the recently-shown here nominations
site, some people abandoned LAC Caucus, so it was
considered as splitted in two, one group presented 3
nominees: Mario Teza, Beatriz Busanmiche and Enrique
Chaparro and the other group presented 2 nominees:
Carlos Afonso and Raul Echeberria.

The selection of members (who did that?) determined
that Carlos Afonso and Raul Echebarria (both presented
by the same LAC caucus group) are now members of WGIG.
Simply, a shmae for representation in WGIG.

Up to now, no member of WGIG has answered my simple,
very simple question: "What is the WGIG for?"

> 
> Regards,
> Georg
> 
> -- 
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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Mon Jan 10 15:50:24 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <m3pt0dwqaw.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
References: <20050107133551.28114.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com>
	 <41DECD28.5040609@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca> <m3y8f4ji5z.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
	 <41DFC3F8.4030806@bertola.eu.org> <m3brc0jd5i.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
	 <41E00C31.6040307@bertola.eu.org> <m3zmzig5vy.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
	 <41E1342B.5080108@bertola.eu.org>  <m3pt0dwqaw.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
Message-ID: <1105372225.3939.72.camel@croce.dyf.it>

Il giorno lun, 10-01-2005 alle 11:07 +0100, Georg C. F. Greve ha
scritto:
>  vb> This requires the assumption that, in the end, there will always
>  vb> be a consensus. 
> 
> Yes. That is indeed what Civil Society has been practicing -- not
> perfectly but as well as it could. 

I think we will have to accept that not everyone agrees on everything,
and find a way to ensure that these disagreements are solved in a
democratical way.

> The old structure is that the working groups -- as part of content and
> themes, which itself is part of the plenary -- take responsibility for
> the different thematic areas and are entitled to represent Civil
> Society on these issues.

This is confusing to me, because I thought that the flow of legitimacy
was opposite - there are accredited NGOs and individuals who form a
plenary, which in turn form smaller working groups to deal more
effectively with the specific issues.

Also, in your model it is unclear what do you do when an issue spans
over more than one caucus, or when more than one caucus claims ownership
of the same issue. For example, intellectual property discussions have
been going on not just in the PCT caucus, but also in the IG caucus, in
the privacy caucus, and I guess also in many others. Are you claiming
that no caucus but the PCT can legitimately talk about intellectual
property?

Please don't misunderstand me - I do like the work of the PCT caucus,
but I'm trying to show you that a model conceptually based on
"independent sovereign caucuses" does not work.

But again, your observation shows that we still lack even the basic
certainties on civil society's common values and institutional
principles... and that it's due time to sort that out.

> I am quite surprised that you seem to question this as that would also
> mean that the internet governance caucus is also not representative
> for civil society on internet governance issues and therefore all
> Civil Society participants in the WGIG would lose their
> representativity on any issue.

WGIG is not based on representation. It is not a parliament, nor a
decision-making or negotiating body. It is a group of experts that were
appointed ensuring that there is a rough balance among different
stakeholders and points of view - but also according to other criteria.
The selection process that civil society has put into place was an
additional effort to propose some skilled people that many others
considered to be good candidates, but in my understanding it was not a
formal selection process as if there were "civil society seats" to be
filled - also because no one from the UN ever wrote to any civil society
structure asking for selections.

This said, I must honestly add that, if I had been a member of the final
nominating committee, I would possibly have done some different choices,
and I would have kept in higher consideration the desire to balance the
presence of all caucuses and working groups; I was surprised when I saw
the final list. However, this doesn't mean that the process and the
choices were illegitimate or biased or bad, since you accept to share
the "wise [wo]men"'s decisions in the very moment that you appoint them
to a nominating committee, and since there was no solid ground on which
any selection process of any kind could be founded.

But, again, I do think that we have to build this solid ground so that
we're not in the same situation one year from now for the next UN WG on
whatever issue (assuming that all this movement doesn't fade away after
the Tunis Summit, hopefully).

> That is really most interesting, as the last information that reached
> the PCT working group about this was
> 
>  http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/wsis-pct/2004-November/000653.html

WGIG news are usually reported to this list and/or to the IG caucus
list. Possibly this is not enough, so we should discuss how to make it
better. However, you should know this one:

http://www.wgig.org/docs/inventory-issues.html

It's linked from the WGIG homepage, so it's not very secret :-)

>  vb> otherwise I wouldn't be working on a draft right now.
> 
> Given that the PCT group did not even have knowledge of these issues
> being part of the agenda, that is most disturbing, actually. Have you
> self-appointed yourself as representative of Civil Society on these
> issues now?

No - see above. By the way, if I hadn't volunteered to spend my weekends
and nights on this task, there would have been some private sector WGIG
members quite happy to do so in their paid office time. I think it's
better for us this way, and so I volunteered. For the third time, I add
that I will be happy to collect your feedback as soon as I have a draft
to circulate.

> There was certainly limited room. But unless there was no more than
> one representative of any single group in the WGIG and another group
> also should have been included, that is a non-argument.

As I said above, I share your view on this (maybe not so rigidly), and
yet I must point out that as far as I know no one has ever discussed or
approved the principle you state here. Again, we lack solid ground.
-- 
vb.             [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...


From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Mon Jan 10 17:04:11 2005
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <DD66295A-6325-11D9-AD90-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
References: <20050107133551.28114.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com>
 <41DECD28.5040609@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca> <m3y8f4ji5z.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
 <41DFC3F8.4030806@bertola.eu.org> <m3brc0jd5i.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
 <41E00C31.6040307@bertola.eu.org> <m3zmzig5vy.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
 <41E1342B.5080108@bertola.eu.org> <m3pt0dwqaw.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
 <41E2631E.1090306@wz-berlin.de> <m3ekgtv27h.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
 <p0620073bbe0839982dad@[192.168.1.251]>
 <DD66295A-6325-11D9-AD90-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <p06200710be0863b51a8b@[192.168.0.2]>

A reasonable place to begin a dialogue with the 
technical staff is to point them to the W3C 
guidelines on accessibility 
<http://www.w3.org/WAI/>.  Andy, Carlos and 
others mentioned.

UN surely has standards for web design? If it 
doesn't, or they aren't being followed, then 
that's something to work on.  And hopefully the 
PWD caucus will have something to say.

Adam





At 11:37 AM -0500 1/10/05, Rik Panganiban wrote:
>I sent off an email to the NGO liaison to the 
>Department of Public Information on Friday late, 
>in particular looking for the correct technical 
>and organizational point-person for further 
>dialogue and feedback on these issues.
>
>The New York offices of lots of UN bodies don't 
>really get going in the new year until today, so 
>we shouldn't expect much response until perhaps 
>Wednesday.  But if people would like to start 
>drafting a statement, I think that would be ok.
>
>Frankly I am more interested in getting an 
>ongoing feedback loop and dialogue going between 
>civil society and the technical staff and 
>managers at the UN.  Just delivering a statement 
>to them seems a little simplistic to me, since 
>user consultation is a continual process not an 
>event.  Creating a big political statement and 
>delivering it to governments might just as 
>easily backfire on us by alienating the very UN 
>office and staffers we are trying to develop 
>closer relationships with.
>
>Rik Panganiban
>CONGO
>
>On Jan 10, 2005, at 8:57 AM, Robert Guerra wrote:
>
>>
>>Getting back to the original thread and subject of the message....
>>
>>
>>is there any news on contacting the officials 
>>behind the UN document system? if not, who 
>>might volunteer to start drafting a 
>>statement...time to act is running short..
>>
>>I mention this it would be a good idea to have 
>>a CS statement presented at two upcoming events 
>>-
>>
>>* African Regional meeting - First week in Feb
>>* PrepCom - 2/3 week of Feb
>>
>>regards
>>
>>Robert
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>###
>>Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
>>Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Plenary mailing list
>>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>>
>>
>===============================================
>RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
>Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship 
>with the United Nations (CONGO)
>web: http://www.ngocongo.org
>email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
>mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
>
>** Please note CONGO's new mailing address: CP 
>50, 1211 Gen?ve 20, Switzerland.? Our physical 
>office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 1st 
>Floor, 1202 Gen?ve, Switzerland. **


From kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Mon Jan 10 17:11:30 2005
From: kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_Kleinw=E4chter?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
Message-ID: 
 <ACADB74FBBEFD94795A03FDBBDE62D3716FAA1@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>

Martin wrote.
 
Up to now, no member of WGIG has answered my simple,
very simple question: "What is the WGIG for?"

Look into para. C6/13b i - iv.  of the Plan of Action. It is only 16 lines but it says what the WGIG is for. 
 
Best wishes
 
wolfgang
 
 

From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Mon Jan 10 17:44:13 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <41E291C1.4050802@rits.org.br>
References: <20050107133551.28114.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com>
 <41DECD28.5040609@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca> <m3y8f4ji5z.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
 <41DFC3F8.4030806@bertola.eu.org> <m3brc0jd5i.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
 <41E00C31.6040307@bertola.eu.org> <m3zmzig5vy.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
 <41E1342B.5080108@bertola.eu.org> <m3pt0dwqaw.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
 <41E2631E.1090306@wz-berlin.de> <m3ekgtv27h.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
 <p0620073bbe0839982dad@[192.168.1.251]> <41E291C1.4050802@rits.org.br>
Message-ID: <p06200745be086eedadbf@[192.168.1.251]>

I don't have time to draft the letter myself, but am willing to 
facilitate putting a team together and provide any online resources 
that might be needed for it to be done.

So what I would ask is that those interested in drafting a document 
contact me. I will collect the email addresses and then send a 
message to everyone involved. Sound ok?




At 12:31 PM -0200 1/10/05, Carlos Afonso wrote:
>Robert, maybe you could suggest that a small, informal working group 
>drafts the text. I would be happy to help.
>
>frt rgds
>
>--c.a.

-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From wellings at epic.org  Mon Jan 10 18:06:18 2005
From: wellings at epic.org (Frannie Wellings)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Next Public Voice WSIS Teleconference:Friday, Jan 14 at 10am US
 Eastern time
In-Reply-To: <20041217165821.63920.qmail@web54101.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041217165821.63920.qmail@web54101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p061104a5be08736a80e3@[192.168.0.3]>

Happy 2005 everyone! As we approach the next preparatory meeting of 
the WSIS and kick off a new year of hard work, it seems an 
appropriate time to discuss common strategy for '05.  The Public 
Voice will hold a teleconference on Friday, January 14, 2005 at 10am 
Eastern time to do just that, starting with the WGIG and WSIS 
prepcom...


PUBLIC VOICE WSIS RELATED TELECONFERENCE

- Date: Friday, January 14th, 2005

- Time: 10am - 11am Eastern Time (3pm - 4pm Universal Time)

- Call in Number: from North America: 1-888-268-1204   OR   from 
outside North America:  1-512-225-3050

- Access code: 65889#

- Proposed Agenda:
	- Working Group on Internet Governance progress
	- Preparation for WSIS Prepcom 2 in February
	- Task Force on Financing (if anyone on the call can update)


The Public Voice will hold this teleconference to bring together NGOs 
working on or interested in the World Summit on the Information 
Society, Internet Governance and promotion of civil society 
participation.  Anyone from civil society involved in or interested 
in these issues is invited to participate.  Meetings take place 
monthly.

Please reply to let me know that you'll be joining the call.  And 
feel free to send any other issues you'd like to add to the agenda 
for discussion.

Public Voice WSIS Meeting Page:
	http://www.thepublicvoice.org/events/pvwsismeetings/


Best to all and Happy 2005!!

Frannie



Date of February Teleconference:
February 11, 2005


-------------------------------

-- 

~~~
Frannie Wellings
Policy Fellow, the Electronic Privacy Information Center   ~ 
http://www.epic.org
Director, The Public Voice    ~   http://www.thepublicvoice.org

1718 Connecticut Ave. N.W., Suite 200
Washington, D.C.  20009
USA

wellings@epic.org

+1 202 483 1140 x 107 (telephone)
+1 202 483 1248 (fax)
~~~

From acarvin at edc.org  Mon Jan 10 18:46:45 2005
From: acarvin at edc.org (Andy Carvin)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Webcast: How the Internet & New Media are Reshaping
 Tsunami Relief Efforts
In-Reply-To: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCIEHIIHAA.ecarll@optonline.net>
References: <LCEBJJNICFFBCNIHEDHCIEHIIHAA.ecarll@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <41E2CD95.5090508@edc.org>

Hopefully, if we can get around some technical problems uploading large 
audio files...

ac

Elizabeth Carll, PhD wrote:
> Hi Andy,
> 
> The webcast sounds very interesting.  Will the webcast be available on the
> website for those of us who cannot attend on Wednesday?
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> Dr. Elizabeth Carll
> Focal Point to WSIS
> International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies
> Chair, Media/ICT Working Group,
> UN NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> Behalf Of Andy Carvin
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 11:00 AM
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Webcast: How the Internet & New Media are
> Reshaping Tsunami Relief Efforts
> 
> 
> Webcast: How the Internet & New Media are Reshaping Tsunami Relief Efforts
> 
> Wednesday,  January 12, 10:00 EST/ 15:00 GMT
> http://www.digitaldivide.net/community/disaster-relief/
> 
> (please feel free to circulate this announcement)
> 
> You are cordially invited to participate in a live webcast hosted by the
> Digital Divide Network this Wednesday, January 12 at 10am EST (15:00
> GMT, 7:00 California time) on the role of the Internet  and new media in
> tsunami relief efforts. The webcast will examine how blogs, RSS feeds,
> SMS text messaging and other tools are being used in response to the
> tsunami, their strengths and limitations, and the role these
> technologies may play in future natural disasters.
> 
> Guest Speakers:
> 
> Dina Mehta, co-founder of tsunamihelp.blogspot.com, Mumbai, India
> 
> Dina Mehta is a qualitative researcher and ethnographer based in Mumbai.
>   In the hours following the tsunami, she and a group of South Asian
> bloggers created the Southeast Asia Earthquake and Tsunami Blog
> (http://tsunamihelp.blogspot.com), the Internet's largest
> volunteer-driven portal for tsunami relief news and resources. For the
> last 16 years she has been a market researcher with a special interest
> in youth markets and in longitudinal ethnographic research and
> user-design studies.
> 
> Taran Rampersad, Internet activist and coordinator of Alert Retrieval
> Cache (ARC), Trinidad & Tobago
> 
> A former hospital corpsman in the U.S. Navy, Taran Rampersad is an
> Internet activist and writer based in Trinidad & Tobago.  Taran serves
> as editor of the Linux Gazette and contributor to WorldChanging.com,
> among other blogs and online magazines . As part of the team of
> volunteers contributing to the tsunamihelp blog, Taran proposed the
> development of a tool that would allow SMS text messages from mobile
> phones to be routed to email lists and other SMS users, using key words
> to connect relief workers on the ground with sources of materials and
> supplies. This led to the development of Alert Retrieval Cache (ARC),
> which has been covered by the BBC and other media in the last week.
> 
> Moderator: Andy Carvin, Digital Divide Network
> 
> Andy Carvin is director of the Digital Divide Network
> (http://www.digitaldivide.net), the Internet's leading online community
> for news and information on the digital divide. In late December, Andy
> published Tsunami-Info.org, a news website that aggregates
> tsunami-related headlines from blogs and news wire feeds from around the
> world. On September 11, 2001, Andy created SEPT11INFO, the first online
> discussion group for sharing resources and information on the terrorist
> attacks that had occurred that morning. For the first 24 hours, the list
> processed emails at a rate of one new messages a minute, one of the
> highest-traffic discussion groups to date.
> 
> The webcast is free and open to the public. To participate, please visit
> http://www.digitaldivide.net/community/disaster-relief/ and click on the
> link "Virtual Meeting Room." You'll then be asked to enter your name; at
> this point, the website will download the e-conference tool onto your
> desktop. The process may take several minutes, so participants are
> advised to enter the virtual meeting room 15 minutes prior to the event.
> Users experiencing technical problems are encouraged to email
> help@learningtimes.net for assistance.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> -----------------------------------
> Andy Carvin
> Program Director
> EDC Center for Media & Community
> acarvin @ edc . org
> http://www.digitaldivide.net
> http://www.tsunami-info.org
> Blog: http://www.andycarvin.com
> -----------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
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-- 
-----------------------------------
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Program Director
EDC Center for Media & Community
acarvin @ edc . org
http://www.digitaldivide.net
http://www.tsunami-info.org
Blog: http://www.andycarvin.com
-----------------------------------

From Bill.McIver at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca  Mon Jan 10 18:50:55 2005
From: Bill.McIver at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca (Bill McIver)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <p06200745be086eedadbf@[192.168.1.251]>
References: <p06200745be086eedadbf@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <41E2CE8F.5070309@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>


I will assist.

WJM

Robert Guerra wrote:

> I don't have time to draft the letter myself, but am willing to
> facilitate putting a team together and provide any online resources
> that might be needed for it to be done.
>
> So what I would ask is that those interested in drafting a document
> contact me. I will collect the email addresses and then send a
> message to everyone involved. Sound ok?
>
>
>
>
> At 12:31 PM -0200 1/10/05, Carlos Afonso wrote:
> >Robert, maybe you could suggest that a small, informal working group
> >drafts the text. I would be happy to help.
> >
> >frt rgds
> >
> >--c.a.
>
> -- 
> ###
> Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
> Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>


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==
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From ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es  Mon Jan 10 19:25:11 2005
From: ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es (Lady Murrugarra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PUBLICACIONES 2004
Message-ID: <20050110192511.72153.qmail@web26510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Se informa a todos Uds,  ya se encuentra actualizada la pagina web del IMT www.upch.edu.pe/tropicales .....
 
Gorgas 2005
http://info.dom.uab.edu/gorgas/
 
Publicaciones:
http://www.upch.edu.pe/tropicales/investiga/publicaciones.htm
 
Maestria Internacional
http://www.upch.edu.pe/tropicales/capacita/contenido/maestrias.htm
 
World Summit award  - http://www.wsis-award.org/
 
Per?:    http://www.wsis-award.org/content/partner-network.htm  (partner/network)
 
Impulsa SIDA
http://www.upch.edu.pe/tropicales/impulsa/que_impulsa.htm
 
y mucho mas....
 
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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Tue Jan 11 02:08:08 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Tsunami assistance request
Message-ID: <p06200709be08e42c8104@[192.168.1.251]>

My colleges at CPSR have asked me to forward this request for 
assistance from colleagues and in Indonesia.


In response to such a situation, the IT-Media Community initiated by 
the Internet Service Provider Association (ISP-AI) and Indonesia 
Information Technology Federation (IITF) of which ISP-IA is one of 
the nine industry association members) and School-2000 (Sekolah-2000, 
the IT Education Foundation, a project of ISP-AI/IITF) formed a team 
to work in the affected areas and a team to support the website and 
do the coordination work in Jakarta.

Further details @ 
http://www.privaterra.org/activities/wsis/blog/tsunami_assistance_request.html



-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From greve at fsfeurope.org  Tue Jan 11 11:27:57 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <1105372225.3939.72.camel@croce.dyf.it> (Vittorio Bertola's
	message of "Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:50:24 +0100")
References: <20050107133551.28114.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com>
	<41DECD28.5040609@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca> <m3y8f4ji5z.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
	<41DFC3F8.4030806@bertola.eu.org> <m3brc0jd5i.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
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	<41E1342B.5080108@bertola.eu.org> <m3pt0dwqaw.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>
	<1105372225.3939.72.camel@croce.dyf.it>
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 || On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:50:24 +0100
 || Vittorio Bertola <vb@bertola.eu.org> wrote: 

 vb> Also, in your model it is unclear what do you do when an issue
 vb> spans over more than one caucus, [...] Are you claiming that no
 vb> caucus but the PCT can legitimately talk about intellectual
 vb> property?

Side note: it is one of the fundamentally important positions that the
concept which is spread by the term  "intellectual property" is flawed
and biased, which is why Civil Society has been careful to not use it
in its publications during the summit.

(Also see http://fsfeurope.org/projects/wsis/issues.en.html)


To what you said:

We are aware that the PCT issues fundamentally affect the work of many
other caucusses and working groups. That is why the PCT working group
has always sought dialog with the other working groups whenever its
issues were interlinked with the issues of other working groups.

I myself participated in such dialogs with the Human Rights Caucus,
the Indigenous Peoples Caucus (see [1]) and some regional caucusses.
Also, there are strong connections with groups like Scientific
Information and others.

Together with the other groups the PCT working group was discussing
how the issues of PCT affect their thematic areas and what position
Civil Society should take on these, which we combined with the
knowledge that people in the PCT working group brought in.

With this grown knowledge, the PCT working group has defined the
positions of Civil Society in central documents [2] and statements [3]
in the first phase of the WSIS.

[1] http://fsfeurope.org/documents/iprip.html
[2] http://fsfeurope.org/projects/wsis/cs-benchmarks.en.html
[3] http://fsfeurope.org/projects/wsis/ps-20030923.en.html


Within Civil Society at the WSIS, it is the PCT working group that is
most responsible and most representative for the issues of Patents,
Copyrights and Trademarks (PCT), Free Software and Open Standards.

As I explained above, that responsibility and representativity did not
come out of nowhere, but from steady work and dialog with other
groups.


When the time came to find representatives for the WGIG, the PCT
working group paid specific attention to come up with people who would
have expert knowledge in PCTs in general and patents in particular, as
they play a very central role in what the WGIG is dealing with.

All of them should also have a solid technical background and
understand Free Software as well as the dangers and pitfalls of
standardization, as they should be able to bring in these perspectives
and also understand the area they seek to govern.


That none of them was included in the WGIG is a serious flaw in the
legitimity of the WGIG and that it was Civil Society which excluded
them is a sign of failure in Civil Society processes.


I am glad to hear that you would have made a different decision, so
you may be feeling the heat for something that you are not accountable
for. My apologies for that.


 vb> However, this doesn't mean that the process and the choices were
 vb> illegitimate or biased or bad, since you accept to share the
 vb> "wise [wo]men"'s decisions in the very moment that you appoint
 vb> them to a nominating committee, 

I am not aware that anyone really appointed the nominating committee
or that there was a selection procedure for it. 

Here is how I remember the process --and I will readily admit that
memory can be faulty, so please feel free to tell me where your
perception is different: 

The Internet Governance Caucus originally stated [1] that it wanted
representatives from the other Working Groups because "One of the
goals for this candidate list is to make sure that all of the topical
areas that might be included in the governance debate are covered."

It also said that it would take responsibility to generate a final
list from these representatives along these lines.

After the names had been submitted and the list had been assembled, it
seems that people changed their mind and only included people from
their own thematic working group, the Internet Governance Caucus,
which they submitted to Markus Kummer and informed the plenary about
the next day. [2]

In order to make this seem more acceptable, the concept of "connector"
was invented, which was dubious to me when I first heard about it and
now is already proven to not work. 

Freely quoting Markus Kummer: "Connectors do not exist to me."

[1] http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/public/plenary/2004-September/003269.html
[2] http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/public/plenary/2004-October/003530.html


 vb> By the way, if I hadn't volunteered to spend my weekends and
 vb> nights on this task, there would have been some private sector
 vb> WGIG members quite happy to do so in their paid office time. 

It is quite enthusiastic of you to spend your weekends on this task,
although it was unnecessary. You could have informed the PCT group
directly or me about the situation and the need to come up with some
draft.

As a group, we could have identified the essentials for such a
document, priorized them and drafted the document together, saving you
at least some nights and weekends while also making sure that the PCT
working group would be involved.

That you are willing to include feedback is good and did not go
unnoticed for me. Thanks for that. The PCT working group will
contribute as well as it can.


But that does not change the basic situation that when it comes to the
actual drafting and negotiations, submitting papers from the outside,
while being a substantial amount of work, is almost entirely useless
as all of us who have been fighting for access to the working groups
during phase one of the WSIS can attest.

So when it comes to the critical moments in the WGIG that decide which
position it will finally take, the people who have been dealing with
PCTs, Free Software and Open Standards centrally for Civil Society
will not be represented.

Regards,
Georg

-- 
Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
Free Software Foundation Europe	                 (http://fsfeurope.org)
GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
Brave GNU World	                           (http://brave-gnu-world.org)
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From mjr at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Jan 11 14:29:31 2005
From: mjr at dsl.pipex.com (MJ Ray)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
Message-ID: <d3929eaec4d4d4532135bab0c8299321@Bouncing>

Can someone please explain to me how safeguards about new enclosures 
(DRRT, GURT and so on) and free software issues - which are vital to 
many civil society groups - will be ensured by WGIG? I wonder because 
of the claims that no sympathetic wsis-pct member is there. I'm 
alarmed that IETF is seen as one despite their copyright and patent 
licensing positions.

Are consensus/consent-based groups comfortable with majority-vote 
decisions, or are there no such groups in this plenary? I was 
surprised by the lack of knowledge about consensus decision making in 
the January 2005 archive, but maybe some have yet to speak out.


DRRT - Digital Rights Restriction Technologies
GURT - Genetic Use Restriction Technologies

-- 
MJR/slef    My Opinion Only and not of any group I know


From rikp at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 11 17:21:12 2005
From: rikp at earthlink.net (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] response from UN on Official Document System
Message-ID: <311B3A4C-63F5-11D9-A097-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>

Dear Friends,

I just heard back from the UN's Chief of the System Management Section 
(ITSD/OS), Mr. Tony Wilson, responding to our feedback on the ODS 
public server. He reports that his two-person (!) team has been working 
hard to address the browser issues that our people identified, and that 
the javascript was changed on the ODS to allow Mozilla-based browsers 
to work with the ODS.  I can happily confirm that the ODS now works 
with my Safari browser for the Mac OS X.

Regarding a "microsoft conspiracy" he notes that there has been 
significant progress in moving away from Microsoft toward more 
linux-based solutions.  According to Mr. Wilson, they are going to be 
developing an Entreprise Content Management project in the near future, 
so completely re-engineering the existing ODS system seemed a bad use 
of their limited time and resources.

He concludes that he is happy to receive further constructive feedback 
on the ODS.  He can be reached at : wilsont@un.org .

I  thank Mr. Wilson and his team for responding so quickly to our 
concerns and hope we can continue to have a fruitful and mutually 
supportive relationship into the future.  Many of us in civil society 
recognize the tremendous pressure put upon the UN staff to deliver 
results with very limited resources.  Having the ODS publicly and 
freely available is immensely gratifying after years of work and 
lobbying on this issue.

Sincerely,


Rik Panganiban
CONGO

===============================================
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Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations 
(CONGO)
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From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS: Final texts from GFC
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From airetg at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 11:03:07 2005
From: airetg at gmail.com (Yulia Timofeeva)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: WSISII, Free Access to Information, Search Engines
In-Reply-To: <1105359725.3939.26.camel@croce.dyf.it>
References: <200412262057.iBQKvLYL028181@rayserv.rrzn.uni-hannover.de>
	 <41E18E68.4020503@mdpi.org> <1105359725.3939.26.camel@croce.dyf.it>
Message-ID: <1f72887f050112030372abe154@mail.gmail.com>

> Google is becoming more and
> more like a television broadcaster - it selects the content you should
> watch. If it started to alter results in a not too evident way, I think
> that most users wouldn't even notice - exactly like most users are not
> easily able to detect reality alterations made in TV news and shows.


It's true for some cases but not always. The important point is that
Google cannot ?broadcast" anything unless a user submitted a request.
If it's some abstract search, let's say ?war in Iraq" or ?the best
computer in the world", then there is room for manipulation and no one
presumably will notice. However, if you know what you are looking for,
let's say, the information on a new member X of the wsis mailing list,
the difference is obvious and it's easy to evaluate the results (for
example, if you get a document that shortly mentions X's name instead
of his personal webpage). I'm testing different search engines from
time to time and I'm using the one that offers the best results on the
first page (at present the choice is easy ? it's Google ;)

Yulia

From titiakinsanmi at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 12 13:13:39 2005
From: titiakinsanmi at yahoo.com (Titilayo Akinsanmi)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] RURAL YOUTH NATIONAL CAMPAIGNS ON THE INFORMATION SOCIETY: CALL FOR PROPOSALS FROM  AFRICAN, CARIBBEAN AND PACIFIC NATIONS
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From acarvin at edc.org  Wed Jan 12 14:01:50 2005
From: acarvin at edc.org (Andy Carvin)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Webcast today: How the Internet & New Media are Reshaping Tsunami
 Relief Efforts
Message-ID: <41E52DCE.5080500@edc.org>

Hi everyone,

Our webcast on the role of ICTs in tsunami relief will begin in just 
under an hour. Information on how to participate can be found below.

thanks,
ac

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [DDN] Webcast: How the Internet & New Media are Reshaping 
Tsunami Relief Efforts
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:00:41 -0500
From: Andy Carvin <acarvin@edc.org>
Reply-To: The Digital Divide Network discussion 
group<digitaldivide@milhouse.edc.org>
Organization: Center for Media & Community
To: The Digital Divide Network discussion 
group<digitaldivide@milhouse.edc.org>

Webcast: How the Internet & New Media are Reshaping Tsunami Relief Efforts

Wednesday,  January 12, 10:00 EST/ 15:00 GMT
http://www.digitaldivide.net/community/disaster-relief/

You are cordially invited to participate in a live webcast hosted by the
Digital Divide Network this Wednesday, January 12 at 10am EST (15:00
GMT, 7:00 California time) on the role of the Internet  and new media in
tsunami relief efforts. The webcast will examine how blogs, RSS feeds,
SMS text messaging and other tools are being used in response to the
tsunami, their strengths and limitations, and the role these
technologies may play in future natural disasters.

Guest Speakers:

Dina Mehta, co-founder of tsunamihelp.blogspot.com, Mumbai, India

Dina Mehta is a qualitative researcher and ethnographer based in Mumbai.
  In the hours following the tsunami, she and a group of South Asian
bloggers created the Southeast Asia Earthquake and Tsunami Blog
(http://tsunamihelp.blogspot.com), the Internet's largest
volunteer-driven portal for tsunami relief news and resources. For the
last 16 years she has been a market researcher with a special interest
in youth markets and in longitudinal ethnographic research and
user-design studies.

Taran Rampersad, Internet activist and coordinator of Alert Retrieval
Cache (ARC), Trinidad & Tobago

A former hospital corpsman in the U.S. Navy, Taran Rampersad is an
Internet activist and writer based in Trinidad & Tobago.  Taran serves
as editor of the Linux Gazette and contributor to WorldChanging.com,
among other blogs and online magazines . As part of the team of
volunteers contributing to the tsunamihelp blog, Taran proposed the
development of a tool that would allow SMS text messages from mobile
phones to be routed to email lists and other SMS users, using key words
to connect relief workers on the ground with sources of materials and
supplies. This led to the development of Alert Retrieval Cache (ARC),
which has been covered by the BBC and other media in the last week.

Moderator: Andy Carvin, Digital Divide Network

Andy Carvin is director of the Digital Divide Network
(http://www.digitaldivide.net), the Internet's leading online community
for news and information on the digital divide. In late December, Andy
published Tsunami-Info.org, a news website that aggregates
tsunami-related headlines from blogs and news wire feeds from around the
world. On September 11, 2001, Andy created SEPT11INFO, the first online
discussion group for sharing resources and information on the terrorist
attacks that had occurred that morning. For the first 24 hours, the list
processed emails at a rate of one new messages a minute, one of the
highest-traffic discussion groups to date.

The webcast is free and open to the public. To participate, please visit
http://www.digitaldivide.net/community/disaster-relief/ and click on the
link "Virtual Meeting Room." You'll then be asked to enter your name; at
this point, the website will download the e-conference tool onto your
desktop. The process may take several minutes, so participants are
advised to enter the virtual meeting room 15 minutes prior to the event.
Users experiencing technical problems are encouraged to email
help@learningtimes.net for assistance.



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From greve at fsfeurope.org  Wed Jan 12 16:46:34 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] response from UN on Official Document System
In-Reply-To: <311B3A4C-63F5-11D9-A097-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net> (Rik
	Panganiban's message of "Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:21:12 -0500")
References: <311B3A4C-63F5-11D9-A097-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <m3oefuzjbp.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>

Dear Rik,

these are all good news. I can confirm that I can now open a document
with Firefox on GNU/Linux, so it looks like significant progress has
been made.

My thanks to Mr. Tony Wilson and his crew for taking this on so
quickly and also good luck on your way towards more freedom in
software.

Regards,
Georg

-- 
Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
Free Software Foundation Europe	                 (http://fsfeurope.org)
GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
Brave GNU World	                           (http://brave-gnu-world.org)
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From acarvin at edc.org  Wed Jan 12 16:57:08 2005
From: acarvin at edc.org (Andy Carvin)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] archive of today's webcast
Message-ID: <41E556E4.50708@edc.org>

Hi everyone,

We just wrapped up a great 90-minute webcast on the role of ICTs in 
tsunami relief efforts. If you missed the webcast, you can access an 
archive of the entire session, including chatroom, audio and Web tour, here:

http://www.learningtimes.net/ddnarchives.shtml

This archive is saved as a java applet, so you will have to be able to 
download java applets onto your desktop. If you can't (or don't) want to 
do this, I will also create audio recordings that will be available in 
MP3 and OGG format. I'll post a note when these become available.

thanks,
ac

-- 
-----------------------------------
Andy Carvin
Program Director
EDC Center for Media & Community
acarvin @ edc . org
http://www.digitaldivide.net
http://www.tsunami-info.org
Blog: http://www.andycarvin.com
-----------------------------------

From Mueller at syr.edu  Wed Jan 12 20:54:52 2005
From: Mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
Message-ID: <s1e5485e.009@gwia201.syr.edu>

>>> mjr@dsl.pipex.com 1/11/2005 9:29:31 AM >>>
>Can someone please explain to me how safeguards about new enclosures 
>(DRRT, GURT and so on) and free software issues - which are vital to 
>many civil society groups - will be ensured by WGIG? I wonder because

>of the claims that no sympathetic wsis-pct member is there. 

Interesting question. 

First, be aware that _nothing_ will be "ensured" by the WGIG. The WGIG
is not a policy making or treaty negotiation group, it is writing a
report. Implementation of its recommendations (if it is able to make
substantive recommendations at all, which may not happen) depends on
actions by governments. 

Second, last I recall, key PCT caucus members, including Stallman, were
lobbying the governance caucus to avoid raising intellectual property
issues on the WGIG at all. Others, including myself, were arguing that
WGIG needed to address these issues vigorously. Have the FS advocates
changed their tune now? If so, good, and welcome. 

Third, I do think it somewhat unfortunate that no free/open source
software expert/advocate is on the WGIG. However, civil society members
of the WGIG are on this list and seem to be reasonably responsive to
positions that are advocated and accepted here.

--MM

p.s. don't waste time lecturing me about "PCT" vs. "intellectual
property" as a label. It's a rat hole. I am entirely familiar with the
sayings of Chairman Stallman on that subject, and nevertheless find the
semantic debate meaningless.



From veni at veni.com  Wed Jan 12 21:00:42 2005
From: veni at veni.com (veni markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <s1e5485e.009@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s1e5485e.009@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050112230026.0376a118@198.111.183.129>

At 15:54 12-01-2005 -0500, you wrote:

>Third, I do think it somewhat unfortunate that no free/open source
>software expert/advocate is on the WGIG. However, civil society members
>of the WGIG are on this list and seem to be reasonably responsive to
>positions that are advocated and accepted here.

http://foss.bg

Best,
Veni 


From Mueller at syr.edu  Wed Jan 12 21:13:48 2005
From: Mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
Message-ID: <s1e54cc5.091@gwia201.syr.edu>


>>> greve@fsfeurope.org 1/9/2005 7:10:25 AM >>>
>If a thematic area is not to be part of the working group, then there
>is no need to have the chosen representatives for these thematic
areas
>in the working group.

Many people involved in WSIS-CS have an interest in intellectual
property issues but were not involved in the PCT working group. For
example, those of us involved in ICANN directly, must deal with
trademark issues as they affect domain names.  We also confront the
pressures of copyright and trademark holders to compromise the privacy
of domain name registrants by means of public Whois data. 

In general, many people involved in WSIS-CS are aware of the degree to
which TRIPS, the WIPO 'casting treaty, and other developments pit
intellectual property protection against other values, such as free
expression, free information technology development, or free trade. Many
people interested in these issues have joined the Internet governance
caucus rather than the PCT caucus. They might also have joined the media
caucus or regional caucuses.

To conclude, I would have to reject absolutely your suggestion that the
PCT caucus has some kind of authoritative status on position development
in this area. I must also reject the suggestion that the absence of PCT
caucus selections from the WGIG means that PCT/intellectual property
issues cannot be addressed by the WGIG. I think it unreasonable to even
suggest that. 

--MM



From Mueller at syr.edu  Wed Jan 12 21:27:02 2005
From: Mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
Message-ID: <s1e54fea.073@gwia201.syr.edu>

>>> greve@fsfeurope.org 1/11/2005 6:27:57 AM >>>
>Side note: it is one of the fundamentally important positions that
the
>concept which is spread by the term  "intellectual property" is
flawed
>and biased, which is why Civil Society has been careful to not use it
>in its publications during the summit.

"Civil society" as a whole has _not_ avoided the term. You have. Don't
project your own language onto civil society as a whole. The term
"intellectual property" appears 7 times in the CS Declaration. 

>Within Civil Society at the WSIS, it is the PCT working group that is
>most responsible and most representative for the issues of Patents,
>Copyrights and Trademarks (PCT), Free Software and Open Standards.

This shows clearly that your argument is full of holes, anyway. If the
term "intellectual property," which serves as a general grouping for
copyright, patent, and trademark concepts, is "flawed and biased," then
why is it not equally flawed and biased to lump the three things
together in an acronym? Why does your working group combine them? Why
not have separate caucuses for each? 

Let's stop the semantic debate NOW. It's unproductive. 

--MM

From kov at debian.org  Thu Jan 13 00:03:44 2005
From: kov at debian.org (Gustavo Noronha Silva)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <s1e54cc5.091@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s1e54cc5.091@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <1105574625.4002.53.camel@alface.horta>

Em Qua, 2005-01-12 ?s 16:13 -0500, Milton Mueller escreveu:
> 
> >>> greve@fsfeurope.org 1/9/2005 7:10:25 AM >>>
> >If a thematic area is not to be part of the working group, then there
> >is no need to have the chosen representatives for these thematic
> areas
> >in the working group.
> 
> Many people involved in WSIS-CS have an interest in intellectual
> property issues but were not involved in the PCT working group. For
> example, those of us involved in ICANN directly, must deal with
> trademark issues as they affect domain names.  We also confront the
> pressures of copyright and trademark holders to compromise the privacy
> of domain name registrants by means of public Whois data. 

ICANN is not an expert on PCT. PCT is of course one of concerns for this
organization's daily work. This is completely different from talking
about an issue and not having someone who really understands the
concepts involved and their implications deeply to clear up
misunderstandings and "sniff" potential problems.

See ya,

-- 
kov@debian.org: Gustavo Noronha <http://beterraba.no-ip.org/~kov/>
 Debian: <http://www.debian.org/>  *  <http://www.debian-br.org/>


From echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar  Thu Jan 13 00:16:43 2005
From: echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar (Enrique A. Chaparro)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:18 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <s1e54cc5.091@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s1e54cc5.091@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <20050113001643.6b578666.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:13:48 -0500
"Milton Mueller" <Mueller@syr.edu> wrote:


MM> 
MM> Many people involved in WSIS-CS have an interest in intellectual
MM> property issues but were not involved in the PCT working group. For
MM> example, those of us involved in ICANN directly, must deal with
MM> trademark issues as they affect domain names.  We also confront the
MM> pressures of copyright and trademark holders to compromise the privacy
MM> of domain name registrants by means of public Whois data. 
MM> 

ICANN intends to impose a supranational legal framework (the infamous
"Uniform Dispute Resolution Policy") without the provisions of due
process and well beyond its charter, in a field that is already 
covered by the law of sovereign countries. Not a good example at all.

Regards,

Enrique

-- 
``Izena duen guzia omen da.''
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From sam_bj2000 at yahoo.fr  Thu Jan 13 08:05:59 2005
From: sam_bj2000 at yahoo.fr (BAUDOUIN SCHOMBE)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] gouvernance
Message-ID: <20050113080559.38882.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com>

Chers tous,
 
je me voudrais de remercier toutes les contributions que je lis avec une attention soutenue.Cependant,je voudrais apporter une modeste contribution compte tenu de la th?matique et surtout du contexte.
Je me suis bas? sur la compr?hension de la terminologie d'abord.

LA GOUVERNANCE :DU QUANTITATIF AU QUALITATIF

D?finiton pratique :

La gouvernance , c?est precis?mment la capacit? des soci?t?s humaines ? se doter de syst?mes de repr?sentation , d?institutions, de r?gles, de proc?dures, de moyens de mesure, de corps sociaux capables de g?rer les interd?pendances de fa?on pacifique.

La gouvernance est donc le syst?me de r?gulation de l??tre vivant complexe que constitue une soci?t? humaine : ce qui g?re a la fois le fonctionnement interne et les relations avec le monde ext?rieur ; ce qui tout a la fois garantit la stabilit? et permet l?adaptation.

LES DIX PRINCIPES DE LA GOUVERNANCE

PREMIER PRINCIPE : La gouvernance se fonde sur une approche territoriale et sur le principe de subsidiarit? active

DEUXIEME PRINCIPE : A travers la gouvernance, des communaut?s plurielles s?installent, depuis l??chelle du voisinage jusqu'? l??chelle de la plan?te

TROISIEME PRINCIPE: La gouvernance remet l??conomie ? sa place

QUATRIEME PRINCIPE : La gouvernance se fonde sur une ?thique universelle de la responsabilit?

CINQUIEME PRINCIPE : La gouvernance d?finit le cycle d??laboration de d?cision et du contr?le des politiques publiques

SIXIEME PRINCIPE : La gouvernance organise les coop?rations et les syn?rgies entre les acteurs

SEPTIEME PRINCIPE : La gouvernance est l?art de concevoir des dispositifs coh?rents avec des objectifs poursuivis

HUITIEME PRINCIPE : La gouvernance permet une ma?trise des flux d??change des soci?t?s entre elles et avec la biosph?re

NEUVIEME PRINCIPE : La gouvernance est l?art de g?rer la dur?e et de se projeter dans le temps

DIXIEME PRINCIPE: L?efficacit? de la gouvernance repose sur sa l?gitimit?

(Source: l?Alliance pour un monde responsable, pluriel et solidaire)
Ensuite,en me ref?rant aux 21 priorit?s,j'ai pu identfier les principales priorit?s suivantes:
 
1.Infrastructure et maintenance de l?infrastructure et des ?quipements
 

2.D?veloppement des ressources humaines et renforcement des capacit?s

2.1.Dans ce chapitre, je me toutes les ressources n?cessaires:

-Questions du genre 

-les jeunes

-l'administration

-Relation entre les m?dias traditionnels et les nouvelles TICs

-les collectivites locales...

3. Recherche et d?veloppement

4. Strat?gies d?investissement:

-Fonds de solidarit? num?rique

-Partenariat Publique Priv?

5. D?veloppement du contenu

6.Strat?gies nationales dans le domaine de l?Information et de la Communication, avec un soutien particulier ? l?Initiative Africaine pour la Soci?t? de l?Information >(AISI)

7.Gouvernance Internet

8.Cadre l?gislatif et de r?gulation

9.S?curit?

10.Soutien du NEPAD

Nos r?alit?s en afrique ne sont pas comparables ? ceux des europ?ens ou de tous les pays d?velopp?s pour limiter nos priorot?s ? 5 seulement.

Nous devons tenir compte de la complexit? des situations sociales,?conomiques,culturelles et surtout politiques des pays africains.

 

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From: ca at rits.org.br (Carlos Afonso)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
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Dear Dr Mueller, don't be so pessimistic! You are tending to grade our 
report with an F even before we start writing it! ;) I do not expect an 
A+ but let us give a bit more of confidence to this group of volunteers.

Also, you are not really right in saying there are no pro-FOSS software 
"expert/advocate" people there -- there might not be "card-carrying" 
people from the "free software movement" organizations, but there are 
several who are experienced in the field, are strong advocates in favor 
of it, and will press for it whenever appropriate. There is strong 
pro-FOSS life beyond these organizations.

Finally, like FOSS, "intellectual property" issues are listed among the 
topics to be addressed by the WGIG, and, again, there are WG members 
with good qualifications to carry out this discussion, and, above all, 
interact with their communities to seek advice and consensus.

I am still optimistic we will get at least a B+ ... :)

--c.a.

Milton Mueller wrote:

>>>>mjr@dsl.pipex.com 1/11/2005 9:29:31 AM >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>Interesting question. 
>
>First, be aware that _nothing_ will be "ensured" by the WGIG. The WGIG
>is not a policy making or treaty negotiation group, it is writing a
>report. Implementation of its recommendations (if it is able to make
>substantive recommendations at all, which may not happen) depends on
>actions by governments. 
>
>Second, last I recall, key PCT caucus members, including Stallman, were
>lobbying the governance caucus to avoid raising intellectual property
>issues on the WGIG at all. Others, including myself, were arguing that
>WGIG needed to address these issues vigorously. Have the FS advocates
>changed their tune now? If so, good, and welcome. 
>
>Third, I do think it somewhat unfortunate that no free/open source
>software expert/advocate is on the WGIG. However, civil society members
>of the WGIG are on this list and seem to be reasonably responsive to
>positions that are advocated and accepted here.
>
>--MM
>
>p.s. don't waste time lecturing me about "PCT" vs. "intellectual
>property" as a label. It's a rat hole. I am entirely familiar with the
>sayings of Chairman Stallman on that subject, and nevertheless find the
>semantic debate meaningless.
>
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From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Thu Jan 13 15:44:51 2005
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
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From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] GFC and updt Logistics list for PC2
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Dear ALL,

 

I take this opportunity to convey that I started working for CONGO, as
Officer WSIS CS Secretariat, as Renata has extensively explained in a
previous e-mail.

 

In this capacity while catching up with specific issues related to the CS at
large, I started being operational already as I have a solid background in
information-gathering, media relations and event management, as well as a
strong understanding of the WSIS process (Media Officer during WSIS 2003).

 

Following meetings we had this week at ITU (to be continued), please find
attached a LOGISTICS LIST I put together, with first-hand info available at
this stage, as well as how yr needs formulated in various occasions within
the CSB are going to be met by the Secretariat (ITU jointly with the UN
facilities). On this document all requests submitted so far to CONGO were
deleted (in order to facilitate reading and e-mail txm, we kept only the
ones from Robert Guerra to be retrieved in Italics). We welcome yr feedback
on this document, and MOREOVER we expect precise requests from yr side in
order to better formulate our demands to the Secretariat (e.g. provisional
number of people attending, WGs, Caucuses (URGENT need to know how many),
speakers if already decided, etc). 

 

Also attached, our report on the 4th meeting of the GFC (English-French),
held in Geneva between 10?11 January 2005. Updated version (including
changes submitted by various contributors, including CONGO) already posted
on the WSIS/ITU website. http://www.itu.int/wsis/gfc/index.html

 

As we?ve experienced some server glitches ydy, please find the
above-mentioned docs as attachments and subsequently as text (non-attached).

 

Further should you require more information on any of the above, please do
not hesitate to contact me at:

 

Adina Fulga Radi

CONGO Officer WSIS CS Secretariat

+ 41 22 310 10 00

+ 41 78 703 37 36

adinafulgaradi@yahoo.com (until being assigned an official e-mail address,
will use personal coordinates)

 

Looking forward to hearing from you,

 

With my very best regards,

Adina Fulga Radi

CONGO Officer WSIS CS Secretariat

 

 

4th Meeting Group Friends of the Chair GFC 10 January 2005

Report

 

 

The PrepCom 2 of WSIS, Tunis phase started with the 4th meeting of the Group
Friends of the Chair (GFC), held on 10 and 11 January 2005 at Room XVIII,
Palais des Nations. The meeting on Mon 10 Jan 2005 was open to all WSIS
stakeholders: government delegations, international organizations,
observers, private sector and the civil society. On Tue 11 Jan 2005, the GFC
held a closed meeting, open only to GFC nominated members, as well as to
governmental observers. The 4th GFC Meeting was chaired by H.E. Ambassador
Janis Karklins, President of the Preparatory Committee, by Yoshio Utsumi,
ITU SG and by Charles Geiger, WSIS ES Executive Director.

 

The working documents (as following) for the meetings were submitted to
comments and contributions by all stakeholders:

 

*     Political Chapeau /Tunis Commitment

*     Operational part of the final document / Tunis Agenda for Action /
Tunis Plan of Implementation (with the Report of the TFFM ? 125 pages.pdf
English version only - submitted ONLY on Jan 4, which made screening and
contributions difficult for some delegations complaining about the tight
deadlines and asking for more time to evaluate the report and further
contribute to the text)

 

Participants in the meeting agreed to work on the TFFM (summary available
within the Chapter 2 of the Operational part of the final document) report
and on the Political Chapeau  in the afternoon.

 

The morning meeting covered the Operational part of the final document
(Chapter 1 and 4, as Chapter 3 on IG will be resumed following release of
the final report of the WGIG ).

 

The following stakeholders have made contributions/comments/suggestions to
the present text (all participants were requested to submit their
contributions to the Secretariat in order to be included in the new text, so
all changes made should be available ASAP): Brazil, Luxembourg, Switzerland,
Canada, El Salvador, USA, Iran, Algeria, Tunisia, Ghana, UNCTAD, UNECE,
CONGO, CSDPTT, CCBI.

 

The following summarizes the discussions focusing on the most important
issues raised:

 

*      Introducing of ?in-build time-bound measures (of e.g. yearly progress
reports) as benchmarks; 2008 (subject to change) in the text is a
provisional target date marking just some ES ambitions (CONGO) (pls refer to
full CONGO intervention here below)

*      Accent on implementation and development strategies (?South-South
should be enhanced in order to foster knowledge sharing? - Brazil) (to be
left to regions to decide on modalities) (UNECE, El Salvador)

*      Education and social dimension emphasized (Algeria, El Salvador,
Luxembourg) while ?promoting public policies aimed at providing accessible
hardware & software to populations leaving in rural areas? (Brazil)

*      Chapter 10 and 11 (and its alternate) on ?an implementation mechanism
for the Geneva Plan of Action? raised many discussions as to where to have a
single Body (Task Force) (to be  created/ to be defined by the UNSG) and a
single report on the WSIS process or joining ?in synergy? the existing UN
agencies and bodies follow-up within the process

*      The Geneva Plan of Action identifies international performance
evaluation and benchmarking ?taking into account different national
circumstances? (submitted by the US, supported by Iran ?taking into account
different level of development?)

*      Linkages between telecommunications and energy (ITU and UNEP) should
be emphasized in the text considering the present int?l crisis and natural
disasters (CSDPTT)

*      New wording and bracketing were proposed on punctual issues (to be
considered when new text available)

*      All UN agencies and the EU are free to include WSIS meetings?
outcomes in their reports

 

The afternoon discussions focused on the TFFM and the Political Chapeau. 

 

Here below Summary issues on the TFFM report submitted by the following
stakeholders: Canada, Brazil, USA, Luxembourg, India, Iran, El Salvador,
Russia, CCBI, ENSTA, CSDPTT:

 

*      Impossibility to conclude discussions on this Chapter (2) as many
delegations request postponement of deadline due to lack of time to prepare
submissions (in contradiction with rules of procedure which requires
submission of contributions 4 weeks PRIOR to the PC2 (mandatory!!!)).
Proposal by the Chair: to revisit the FM after meeting in Accra and before
PC2, leaving delegations more time of reflection on possible suggestions,
comments, contributions. Results to be submitted to the Chair (in the week
beginning Feb 7, with the understanding that any major development should be
brought before PC2) 

*      DSF, the Digital Solidarity Fund to be readdressed within further
consultations, though no specific requests by the Task Force were mentioned

*      Urge for more action/market-oriented text (Canada)

*      ?Create policies and regulatory incentives to operate software to
provide wide-spread Internet access at affordable prices? (Brazil)

*      Support Brazilian and Canadian suggestions and call for emphasizing
the important role of responsibility from all stakeholders (Iran)

*      Request for presenting exact cost for ?bridging the digital divide?
(even provisional one), but some figure needed, as NO actual cost mentioned 

*      Pls refer to full CONGO intervention here below

 

 

For the Political Chapeau the following stakeholders have expressed their
suggestions: Luxembourg, Algeria, Russia, Egypt, Brazil, Canada, El
Salvador, WHO, CONGO, ENSTA, CCBI. Here below few of the most important
ones:

 

*      Replace in Chapter New 1 bis ?the Tunis Summit represents a unique
moment in the history of mankind? by ?opportunity for us to
? as unique
moment in history mankind should be left to moments really
 unique
(supported by most speakers)

*      Better topic (logical) in Chapter 1 (Luxembourg) 

*      Inclusion of physical and mental health (CONGO) (pls refer to full
CONGO intervention here below)

*      Request by Tunisia to restate previous para 11 & 12 from the December
text (removed in the present text) even if only for backgrounders

*      Request by Egypt to restate previous para 17 from the December text
(removed in the present text)

*      Promote open (?universal and ubiquitous?) access to science and
education available to everyone (Algeria, Canada, US)

*      More openness, inclusiveness and transparency in order to comply with
the MDGs (CCBI)

 

 

General remarks by ITU SG Yoshio Utsumi:

 

The Draft on the Final Document of the second phase of the World Summit on
the Information Society, though balanced, does not include the ?disaster
dimension? (even if the upcoming Kobe Summit will address the issue). In the
SG?s views the document is far from touching the actual reality of the
world, ?it does NOT attract world leaders to commit?, focusing only on
procedural framework (except for FM). Yoshio Utsumi committed to send his
proposals to the Chair and the WSIS ES asap.

 

Very solid and engaged contributions to both Political Chapeau and to
operational Part of the Final Document of the second phase of the World
Summit on the Information Society were submitted by Francis Muguet (ENSTA)
and by Jean-Louis Fullsack (CSDPTT) (their comments to be sent
individually).

 

Please find here below the CONGO intervention during the 4th meeting of the
Group Friends of the Chair (GFC), held on 10 January 2005, at Room XVIII,
Palais des Nations, Geneva.

http://www.itu.int/wsis/gfc/docs/4/statements/CONGO.pdf

 

Reported by

Adina FULGA RADI, CONGO Officer WSIS ES Secretariat

Philippe DAM, CONGO Assistant Coordinator


 

 

 

 

PC2 Logistics requests by CONGO, on behalf of CS

Meeting Dani?le Boccard ? 11 January 2005 ITU Building

 

 

*       Room 531 / NGO Office has been assigned to the CS on the 5th floor,
Palais des Nations. The NGO Office will be equipped with: 
 
*       1 fix PC
*       1 laptop
*       1 phone line (local calls ONLY, NO mobile, NO int?l calls)
*       1 printer
*       1 copy machine
*       Office supplies will be provided by CONGO
 
*       Room XXII has been assigned to CS meetings/Plenary for the entire
PC2. The Room (capacity 104 people) is equipped with wi-fi and W-lan (among
the rooms available for PC2 for ALL stakeholders, XXII is the ONLY
conference room in the Palais equipped with wi-fi and W-lan). Translation
E/F/S will be provided at all times. This room will host ALL CS Plenary
Sessions as well as some of the Caucuses and other meetings (upon request).
Full timetable will be available as soon as ALL requests are made (AND SENT)
to CONGO. An ORIENTATION SESSSION will be held in Room XXII on 14 Feb 2005,
14h00 ? 16h30 (Translation E/F/S provided) followed by various WGs. Plan
access and ALL useful information to be distributed during the Orientation
Session (info also to be sent by e-mail prior to PC2).
 
*       WI-FI  W-LAN available in Room XXII and in the Cybercaf?. Please
kindly note that you have to purchase own access cards (CISCO recommended by
ITU) prior to arrival on the venue as NO vending points in the Palais (cards
are to be found at the ITU Bookshop). NO cards available free of charge.
*      It is NOT possible (at this stage) to install ?several? Wireless
access points in order to reach ALL meeting rooms, plenary and outside areas
at all times.
 
*       Cybercaf? space - Cybercaf? (AVAILABLE FOR ALL, NOT ONLY FOR NGOs)
will be installed behind the Assembly General, in the HALL XIII ? XV
(opposite ?Salle des pas perdus?). The Cybercaf? will be equipped with 35
PCs and 30 laptops.
*      CONGO is in the process of negotiating with ONU/DPI/Technical
Conferences & Services the feasibility of installing a permanent Cybercaf?
in the NGO lounge (long-term operability subject to complex official
procedures).

 

*       Hotel negotiations discount rates (we could negotiate provided we
have some fixed ? and not pencil - booking, as of 100 persons
 etc).

 
*      NGOs could use the discounted rates hotel list provided by ITU
http://www.itu.int/travel/  or CONGO Accommodation List (to be circulated
separately)
 

*       Free Copy machine, stapler, paper, office supplies   

 

*      See NGO Office, office supplies provided by CONGO

 

 

 

*       Internet Access - non-proxied & DMZ (all techie terms) access that
allows for VPN and other secure connections (such as SSH, SSL, etc) will
need to be set-up and configured. The Switch and Wireless access points
mentioned above need to be connected to this non-proxied access.
*       Power - CICG was nice in that electrical power could be found
throughout. All the rooms had power, as did the delegate chairs in the
plenary room. I would hope this is the same in Palais - if not, it needs to
be resolved.
Need more info from Robert Guerra on EXACT needs (request made by ITU System
and Network Administrator, who confirmed ITU will open gates to SSH, SSL,
etc outside the UNOG firewall, which will have less restrictions than own
network). Need more info from Robert on EXACT needs (request made by ITU
System and Network Administrator). 

 

 

An update version of this LOGISTICS LIST will be available ASAP.

 

For more information, please do not hesitate to contact me:

Adina FULGA RADI

CONGO Officer WSIS CS Secretariat

+ 41 22 310 10 00

+ 41 78 703 37 36

adinafulgaradi@yahoo.com

 

 

 

Renate Bloem
President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
11, Avenue de la Paix
CH-1202 Geneva
Tel: +41 22 301 1000
Fax: +41 22 301 2000
E-mil:  <mailto:rbloem@ngocongo.org> rbloem@ngocongo.org
Website: www.ngocongo.org <http://www.ngocongo.org/> 

 

The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, membership association
that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United Nations debates and
decisions. Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective is to ensure the
presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's governments and United
Nations agencies on issues of global concern.  For more information see our
website at www.ngocongo.org <http://www.ngocongo.org/> 


Reminder: CONGO Postal Address Has Changed


We will soon be unable to receive mail at our old address at the Palais des
Nations in Geneva.  So please make sure to update your records with CONGO's
new Geneva office postal address: CP 50, 1211 Gen?ve 20, Switzerland.  Our
physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 1st Floor, 1202 Gen?ve,
Switzerland.

 

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From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CONGO Discount Rates Hotel List
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From Bruno.Salgues at int-evry.fr  Thu Jan 13 16:44:57 2005
From: Bruno.Salgues at int-evry.fr (Bruno SALGUES)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CONGO Discount Rates Hotel List
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merci de ce travail qui peut etre tres utile

bruno salgues

Selon Renata Bloem <rbloem@ngocongo.org>:

> Dear ALL,
>
>
>
> Please find attached the discounted hotel list we put together in order to
> accommodate yr travel to the PrepCom2. Hope this helps make yr travel
> arrangements accordingly.
>
> Looking forward to hearing from you and to seeing you soon in Gnva,
>
>
>
> Adina Fulga Radi
>
> + 41 22 301 10 00
>
> + 41 78 703 37 36
>
> adinafulgaradi@yahoo.com
>
>
>
> Mesdames, Messieurs,
>
>
>
> Veuillez trouver ci-jointe la liste des h?tels ? prix r?duit fournie par la
> CONGO. En esp?rant que cela vous facilitera votre voyage ? Gen?ve lors de la
> PrepCom2, veuillez agr?er, Mesdames, Messieurs, mes salutations les plus
> distingu?es.
>
>
>
> Adina Fulga Radi
>
> + 41 22 301 10 00
>
> + 41 78 703 37 36
>
> adinafulgaradi@yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Accommodation list GENEVA
>
>
>
>
> NAME
>
> ADDRESS
>
> TELEPHONE FAX
>
> Web site
>
> email
>
> PRICE
>
> Week /night
>
>
> Centre St. Boniface
>
> Av du Mail 14,
>
> 1205 Geneve
>
> +41223222600
>
> f. +41223222601
>
> http://www.cstb.ch/
>
> See Web site
>
>
> Residence
>
> Village-Suisse
>
> 3, rue du Village-Suisse, 1205 Geneve
>
> +41223203869
>
>
>
> 490 CHF/ Studio
>
>
> Cit? Universitaire de Gen?ve
>
> Avenue de Miremont 46, 1206 Geneve
>
> +41228362222
>
> f. +41228392223
>
> http://www.unige.ch/cite-uni
>
> 420-750 CHF
>
>
> Accueil R?sidence pour Jeunes Filles
>
> Rue Alcides-Jentez 8, 1205 Geneve
>
> +41223209277
>
>
>
> 490 CHF
>
>
> R?sidence Le Voltaire
>
> 9, rue Le Voltaire
>
> 1201 Geneve
>
> +41223442460
>
> f. +41223442460
>
>
>
> 400 CHF
>
>
> Foyer Le Carillan
>
> Av. ds Communes-Reunies 16,
>
> 1212 Grand-Lancy
>
> +41227946150
>
>
>
> 340 CHF
>
>
> Foyer Mytjana
>
> Av. ds Communes-Reunies 16,
>
> 1212 Grand-Lancy
>
> +41227945698
>
>
>
> 340 CHF
>
>
> Centre Universitaire Protestant 1
>
> Av. du Mail, 1205 Geneve
>
> +41223229000
>
> f. +41223229099
>
>
>
> 650 CHF
>
>
> Centre Universitaire Protestant 2
>
> Boulevard de la Tour 1, 1205 Geneve
>
> +41227081010
>
> f. +41227081011
>
> Email : cup2@span.ch
>
> 480CHF
>
> 970 CHF (Studio)
>
>
>
>
> Foyer Forget Me Not
>
> Rue Virginier 8, 1205 Geneve
>
> +41223209355
>
>
>
> 595 CHF
>
>
> Foyer Internationale pour Jeunes Filles
>
> Rue Platamour 29, 1201 Geneve
>
> +41227315560
>
>
>
> 500-700 CHF
>
>
> Foyer Georges Williams
>
> Av. Sainte Clotilde 9, 1201 Geneve
>
> +41223281136
>
> Email :
>
>  <mailto:foyer@ucg.ch> foyer@ucg.ch
>
> 450 CHF
>
>
> Residence Universitaire Internationale
>
>  Rue Rothschild 22, 1202 Geneve
>
> +41227160202
>
> f. +41227160201
>
>  <http://www.ruige.bizland.com/> www.ruige.bizland.com
>
>  <mailto:rui@unige.ch> rui@unige.ch
>
> 430 CHF
>
> 510 CHF
>
> (studio)
>
>
> Home Saint Pierre
>
> Cour Saint-Pierre 42,
>
> 1204 Geneve
>
> +41223103707
>
> f. +41223101727
>
>  <mailto:homesstpierre@freesurf.ch> homesstpierre@freesurf.ch
>
> 570-660 CHF
>
>
> Foyer International St-Justin
>
> Rue de Prieur? 15-17, 1204 Geneve
>
> +41227311135
>
> justin@bluewin.ch
>
> 380 CHF
>
>
> Foyer Universitaire de Carouge
>
> Rue Joseph-Girard 12, 1227 Carouge
>
> +41223015434
>
> f. +41223015477
>
> carouge@arvor.ch
>
> 865-990 CHF
>
>
> La Villa Clotilda
>
> Rue de Mont Sion 14,
>
> +41223469844
>
>
>
>
>
> 1100-
>
>
> Studio House
>
> 4 rue des Acacias, 1227 Geneve
>
> +41223040300
>
> f. +41223431021
>
>
>
> 60 CHF
>
>
> Hotel de l??toile
>
> 17, rue des Vieux-Grenadiers, 1205 Geneve
>
> +41223287208
>
> f. +41223211624
>
>
>
> 90 CHF
>
>
> Youth Hostel
>
> Rue Rothschild 28-30, 1202 Geneva
>
> +41227326260
>
> f. +41227383987
>
>  <http://www.yh-geneva.ch/> www.yh-geneva.ch
>
>  <mailto:booking@yh-geneva.ch> booking@yh-geneva.ch
>
> 24 ? 105 CHF
>
>
> Centre International Reform? John Knox
>
> 27, rue des Crets-de-Pregny, 1218 Gd Sacconnex
>
> +4122 747 0000
>
> f. +4122 747 0099
>
> www.johnknox.ch <http://www.johnknox.ch/>
>
> 30-85 CHF
>
>
> City Hostel Geneva
>
> 2, rue Ferrier, 1202 Geneve
>
> +41229011500
>
> f. +41229011560
>
>  <http://www.cityhostel.ch/> www.cityhostel.ch
>
>  <mailto:info@cityhostel.ch> info@cityhostel.ch
>
> 25-80 CHF
>
>
> Home sweet Home
>
> Rue Pre Naville6, 1207 Geneve
>
> +41227369356
>
> f. +41227369355
>
> www.homesweethome.ch <http://www.homesweethome.ch/>
>
>
>
>
> Rentimo
>
>
>
> +41227315340
>
>
>
> 650 CHF
>
>
> R?gies Zimmermann
>
>
>
> +41229092525
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Soci?t? Terranias
>
>
>
> +41227356320
>
> http://www.terranias.ch <http://www.terranias.ch/>
>
> See web site
>
>
> R?sidence
>
> St James
>
> Rue du Versonnex 3, 1204 Geneve
>
> +41228499100
>
> f. +41227364374
>
> www.st-james.ch <http://www.st-james.ch/>
>
> 150-200 CHF
>
>
> R?sidence de France
>
> 4, av de France 1202 Geneve
>
> +41229086700
>
> f. +41223398001
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hotel Tiffany
>
> 1, rue des Marbriers 1204 Geneve
>
>
>
>  <http://www.hotel-tiffany.ch/> http://www.hotel-tiffany.ch
>
> 220-660 CHF
>
>
> Hotel
>
> Mon-Repos
>
> 131, rue de Lausanne CH-122 Geneva
>
> +41229093909
>
> f. +41229093993
>
> http://hmrge.ch <http://hmrge.ch/>
>
> reservations@hmrge.ch
>
> 145.- CHF
>
>
> Hotel
>
> Les Nations
>
> Rue du Grand-Pr? 62
>
> PO Box 420 1211Geneva 16
>
> +41227480808
>
> f. 41227343884
>
> http://www.hotel-les-nations.com <http://www.hotel-les-nations.com/>
>
> info@hotel-les-nations.com
>
> 165-600 CHF
>
>
> Hotel St-Gervais
>
> Rue des Corps-Saints 20 CH-1201 Geneva
>
> Tel & f. +41227324572
>
>
>
> 80.- CHF
>
>
> Hotel de La Cloche
>
> 6, rue de la Cloche
>
> 1201 Geneva
>
> +4122729481
>
> +41227381612
>
> www.tbh-ge.ch/cloche
>
>
>
>
> Pension Esmeralda
>
> 7, rue Simon Durand
>
> 1227 Acacias
>
>
>
> +41223439698
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hotel Luserna
>
> 12 Avenue de Luserna 1203 Geneva
>
> +41223454545 f.+41223444936
>
>
>
> www.hotel-luserna.ch <http://www.hotel-luserna.ch/>
>
> info@hotel-luserna.ch
>
>
>
>
> Hotel du Mont-Blanc
>
> 59, rue Ancienne
>
> 1227 Carouge
>
> +41223433811
>
> f. +413433813
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hotel Les Quatre Nations
>
> 43, rue de Zurich
>
> 1201 Geneva
>
> +41227320224
>
> f. +41227312141
>
> http://tbh-ge.ch/nations
>
>
>
>
> Hotel Aida
>
> 6, avenue Henri-Dunant
>
> 1205 Geneva
>
> +41223201266
>
> f.+41223212853
>
> Hotel.aida.geneva@bluewin.ch
>
>
>
>
> Hotel Bel?Esperance
>
> 1,rue de la Vall?e
>
> 1204 Geneva
>
> +41228183737
>
> +41228183773
>
> http://www.hotel-bel-esperance.ch <http://www.hotel-bel-esperance.ch/>
>
> belesp@swi.salvationarmy.org
>
> 95-180 CHF
>
>
> Hotel Bellerive
>
> 83, route d?Ermance
>
> 1245 Bellerive
>
> +41227521282
>
> f. +41227521513
>
> www.scrhg.ch <http://www.scrhg.ch/>
>
> q.calendret@worldonline.ch
>
>
>
>
> Hotel Bernina
>
>
>
> 22, place Cornavin
>
> 1201 Geneva
>
> +41229084950
>
> +41229084951
>
> www.bernina-geneve.ch <http://www.bernina-geneve.ch/>
>
> info@bernina-geneve.ch
>
> 100 CHF
>
>
> Hotel Carmen
>
> 5, rue Dancet
>
> 1205 Geneva
>
> +41223291111
>
> f. +41227815933
>
> http://www.tbh-ge.ch/carmen
>
> Hotelcarmen.gasser@bluewin.ch
>
> 68 CHF
>
>
> Hotel Central
>
> 2, rue de la Rotissiere
>
> 1204 Geneva
>
> +41228188100
>
> +41228188101
>
> http://www.hotelcentral.ch <http://www.hotelcentral.ch/>
>
> info@hotelcentral.ch
>
> D?s 80 CHF
>
>
> Auberge Communale de Carouge
>
> 39, rue Ancienne
>
> 1227 Carouge
>
> +41223422288
>
> +413422205
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Motel de Corsier
>
> 270, rue de Thonton
>
> 1246 Corsier
>
> +41227511555
>
> f. +41227513042
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hotel Etoile
>
> 17, rue des Vieux-Genadiers
>
> 1205 Geneva
>
> +41223287208
>
> f. +41223211624
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hotel de Gen?ve
>
> 1, place Isaac-Mercier
>
> 1201 Geneva
>
> +41227323264
>
> f. +41227328264
>
> http://www.hotel-rio-geneve.ch <http://www.hotel-rio-geneve.ch/>
>
> hotelrio@vtx.ch
>
> 65-100 CHF
>
>
> Hotel Les Hauts-de-Rive
>
> 48, Bld des Tranch?es
>
> 1206 Geneva
>
> +41223462933/4
>
> f. +41223462211
>
> http://www.hotel-rio-geneve.ch <http://www.hotel-rio-geneve.ch/>
>
> hotelrio@vtx.ch
>
> From 98 CHF
>
>
> Hotel Pax
>
> 68, rue du XXXI D?cembre
>
> 1207 Geneva
>
> +41227875070
>
> +41227875080
>
> http://www.hotel-pax-geneva.ch <http://www.hotel-pax-geneva.ch/>
>
> direction@hotel-pax-geneva.ch
>
> From 60 CHF
>
>
> Hotel Lido
>
> 8, rue de Chantepoulet
>
> 1201 Geneva
>
> +41227315530
>
> +41227316501
>
> www.hotel-lido.ch <http://www.hotel-lido.ch/>
>
> info@hotel-lido.ch
>
> From 75 CHF
>
>
> Hotel Plan-les Ouates
>
> 135 Route de Saint-Julien
>
> 1228 Plan les Ouates
>
> +41227949244
>
> +41227949475
>
> www.tbh-ge.ch/plo
>
>
>
>
> Hotel at Home
>
> 16, rue de Friburg
>
> 1201 Geneva
>
> +41229061900
>
> f. +41227384430
>
> http://hotel-at-home.ch <http://hotel-at-home.ch/>
>
> athome@bluewin.ch
>
> From 94 CHF
>
>
> Hotel Calvy
>
> 5, rue du Midi
>
> 1207 Geneva
>
> +41227002727
>
> f. +41227356162
>
> www.original.ch/calvy
>
>  <mailto:calvy@bluewin.ch> calvy@bluewin.ch
>
> 150 CHF
>
>
> Hotel Le Cerf-Volant
>
> 7, chemin des Sapins
>
> 1216 Cointrin
>
> +41227980757
>
> f.+41227886108
>
> http://www.cerfvolant.ch <http://www.cerfvolant.ch/>
>
> info@cerfvolant.ch
>
> 125 CHF
>
>
> Hotel Auteuil
>
> 33, rue de Lausanne
>
> CH-1201 Geneva
>
> +41225442222
>
> f. +41225442299
>
> info@manotel.com
>
>
>
>
> Hotel Comedie
>
> 12, rue de Caouge
>
> 1205 Geneva
>
> +41223222324
>
> f. +41223222323
>
> http://www.hotel- <http://www.hotel-/> comedie.ch
>
> 130-180 CHF
>
>
> Hotel Grand Pre
>
> 35, rue du Grand Pre
>
> 1202 Geneva
>
> +41229181111
>
> f. +41227347691
>
>  <http://grandpre.ch/> http://grandpre.ch
>
> info@grandpre.ch
>
> From 194 CHF
>
>
> Hotel President Wilson
>
> 47, quai Wilson
>
> 1211 Geneva
>
> +41229066666
>
> f. 00419066667
>
> www.hotelpwilson.com <http://www.hotelpwilson.com/>
>
> reza@hotelpwilson.com
>
> From 460 CHF
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Renate Bloem
> President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
> 11, Avenue de la Paix
> CH-1202 Geneva
> Tel: +41 22 301 1000
> Fax: +41 22 301 2000
> E-mil:  <mailto:rbloem@ngocongo.org> rbloem@ngocongo.org
> Website: www.ngocongo.org <http://www.ngocongo.org/>
>
>
>
> The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, membership association
> that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United Nations debates and
> decisions. Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective is to ensure the
> presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's governments and United
> Nations agencies on issues of global concern.  For more information see our
> website at www.ngocongo.org <http://www.ngocongo.org/>
>
>
> Reminder: CONGO Postal Address Has Changed
>
>
> We will soon be unable to receive mail at our old address at the Palais des
> Nations in Geneva.  So please make sure to update your records with CONGO's
> new Geneva office postal address: CP 50, 1211 Gen?ve 20, Switzerland.  Our
> physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 1st Floor, 1202 Gen?ve,
> Switzerland.
>
>
>
>




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From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Thu Jan 13 16:29:12 2005
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] =?windows-1256?Q?GAP_et_liste_logistique_mise_=E0_jour?=
Message-ID: <41DE9B9E000862D3@mail15.bluewin.ch> (added by postmaster@bluewin.ch)

Chers tous, 

 

Je profite de cette opportunit? pour vous informer que j?ai commenc? ?
travailler pour le compte de la CONGO en tant qu?Administratrice du
Secr?tariat de la CS pour le SMSI, tel que Renata l?a pr?cis?ment expliqu?
lors d?un pr?c?dent e-mail.

 

En cette capacit?, tout en traitant des questions sp?cifiques relatives ? la
soci?t? civile dans son ensemble, j?ai d?j? commenc? ? ?tre op?rationnelle,
gr?ce ? mon exp?rience solide en mati?re de communication, relations avec
les m?dias, de l'?v?nementiel, ainsi qu?une forte compr?hension du processus
du SMSI (en tant que Media-Officer pendant le SMSI 2003).

 

Suite aux r?unions que nous avons tenues cette semaine ? l?UIT (qui doivent
se poursuivre d'ailleurs), vous trouverez ci-jointe une liste d??l?ments
logistiques que j?ai pu regrouper, contenant l?info brute disponible
jusqu?alors. Vous trouverez ?galement comment les besoins que vous avez
formul?s en diverses occasions au sein du Bureau de la Soci?t? Civile vont
?tre satisfaits par le Secr?tariat (UIT conjointement avec les ?quipements
de l?ONU). Dans ce document, on a ?limin? les demandes transmises jusqu?ici
? la CONGO (not?es justement en italique - sauf celles de Robert Guerra),
gardant seulement les r?ponses sur les ?quipements disponibles (? ce stade).
Nous accueillons vos r?actions sur ce document, et DE PLUS, nous attendons
des demandes pr?cises de votre part afin de pouvoir mieux formuler nos
requ?tes au Secr?tariat (tel que le nombre provisoire de personnes assistant
? l??v?nement, les Groupes de Travail, Caucus (besoin URGENT d?en conna?tre
le nombre), les orateurs si d?j? d?finis, etc.).

 

Egalement joint, notre rapport sur la 4?me r?union du Groupe d?Amis du
Pr?sident (GAP), qui s?est tenu ? Gen?ve les 10 et 11 janvier 2005. Une
version mise ? jour (contenant les modifications apport?es par les
diff?rents contributeurs ainsi que la contribution de CONGO) est d?j?
disponible sur le site Web du SMSI/UIT
(http://www.itu.int/wsis/gfc/index.html)

 

Comme on a eu qqch probl?mes de serveur, je vais vous envoyer tous les
documents mentionn?s en version attach? et NON attach?. 

 

Dans le cas o? vous auriez besoin de plus ample information, n?h?sitez pas ?
me contacter :

 

Adina Fulga Radi

CONGO Officer WSIS CS Secretariat

+ 41 22 310 10 00

+ 41 78 703 37 36

 
<http://mail.yahoo.com/config/login?/ym/Compose?To=adinafulgaradi@yahoo.com>
adinafulgaradi@yahoo.com (jusqu?? ce que me soit attribu?e une adresse
e-mail officielle, j?utiliserai mes coordonn?es personnelles)

 

Tr?s cordialement, 

Adina Fulga Radi

CONGO Officer WSIS CS Secretariat

 

 

 

Rapport sur la 4?me r?union du Groupe d?Amis du Pr?sident 10 janvier 2005

 

Le PrepCom 2 de la phase de Tunis du SMSI a d?but? par la 4?me r?union du
Groupe d?Amis du Pr?sident (GAP), qui s?est tenue les 10 et 11 janvier 2005,
en Salle XVIII du Palais des Nations. La r?union du 10 janvier ?tait ouverte
? l?ensemble des parties prenantes au SMSI : d?l?gations de gouvernements,
organisations internationales, observateurs, secteur priv? et soci?t?
civile. Mardi 11 janvier, le GAP a tenu une r?union ? huis clos, uniquement
ouverte aux membres nominatifs du GAP, ainsi qu?aux observateurs
gouvernementaux. La 4?me r?union du GAP ?tait pr?sid? par S.E. l?Ambassadeur
Janis Karklins, Pr?sident du Comit? de Pr?paration, par Yoshio Utsumi, SG de
l?UIT, et par Charles Geiger, Directeur Ex?cutif du SE du SMSI.

 

Les documents de travail pour ces r?unions (voir ci-dessous) ont ?t? soumis
? commentaire et aux contributions des parties prenantes :

 

*      Chapeau politique / engagement pour Tunis

*      Partie op?rationnelle du document final / Tunis Agenda for Action /
Tunis Plan of Implementation (incluant le rapport du GAMF ? existant en
version anglaise seulement, document *.pdf de 125 pages ? qui n?a ?t?
pr?sent? que le 4 janvier dernier : la forme de ce document a rendu plus
complexe l?examen du contenu et l?apport de contributions pour certaines
d?l?gations qui ont ?mis des plaintes quant aux courtes ?ch?ances
temporelles et demand? plus de temps pour ?valuer le rapport et y apporter
des contributions).

 

Les participants ? la r?union sont tomb?s d?accord pour travailler sur le
rapport du GAMF (r?sum? disponible au sein du Chapitre 2 de la Partie
Op?rationnelle du document final) et sur le Chapeau Politique au cours de
l?apr?s midi.

 

La r?union du matin a abord? la Partie Op?rationnelle du document final
(Chapitres 1 et 4, du fait que le Chapitre 3 sur la Gouvernance de
l?Internet ne sera r?sum?e qu?? la suite de la publication du rapport final
du GTGI).

 

Les parties prenantes suivantes ont apport? des contributions, commentaires
ou suggestions au texte actuel (l?ensemble des participants devaient
pr?senter leurs contributions au Secr?tariat afin de pouvoir les ins?rer
dans le nouveau texte et de rendre toute modification disponible le plus t?t
posible) : Br?sil, Luxembourg, Suisse, Canada, El Salvador, Etats-Unis,
Iran, Alg?rie, Tunisie, Ghana, CNUCED, UNECE, CONGO, CSDPTT, CCBI.

 

Les discussions se concentrant sur les principales probl?matiques soulev?es
peuvent ?tre r?sum?es comme suit :

 

*      Pr?sentation de ? mesures incorpor?es et limit?es dans le temps (de
rapports annuels de progr?s, par exemple) comme rep?res indicatifs; 2008
(date sujette ? modification)  pr?sent?e dans le texte comme une cible
provisoire ne d?signant seulement que quelques ambitions du Secr?tariat
Ex?cutif (CONGO) (cf. l?intervention compl?te de la CONGO ci-dessous).

*      Accent mis sur la mise en ?uvre et les strat?gies de d?veloppement (?
la coop?ration Sud-Sud doit ?tre mise en valeur afin de favoriser le partage
des connaissances ? - Br?sil) : les ensembles r?gionaux doivent pouvoir
conserver la d?cision des modalit?s (UNECE, El Salvador).

*      L??ducation et les dimensions sociales doivent ?tre accentu?es
(Alg?rie, Salvador, Luxembourg) en m?me temps que ? la promotion des
politiques publiques visant ? fournir du mat?riel et des logiciels
accessibles aux populations vivant dans les zones rurales ? (Br?sil).

*      Les Chapitres 10 et 11 (ainsi que leurs alternatives) sur ? les
m?canismes de mise en ?uvre pour le Plan d?Action de Gen?ve ? ont soulev? de
nombreuses discussions quant ? savoir o? disposer d?un organe unique (Groupe
d?Action) (encore ? cr?er / ? d?finir par le SG de l?ONU) et d?un rapport
unique sur le processus du SMSI, ou bien sur l?opportunit? associer ? en
synergie ? l?action des agences et organes existants des Nations Unies.

*      Le Plan d?Action de Gen?ve identifie l??valuation internationale des
performances et la mise en place de rep?res, ? en prenant en compte les
diff?rentes circonstances nationales ? (propos? par les Etats-Unis, support?
par l?Iran : ? en prenant en compte les diff?rents niveaux de d?veloppement
?).

*      Les liens entre les questions des t?l?communications et de l??nergie
(ITU et UNEP) devraient ?tre accentu?s dans le texte en consid?rant la crise
internationale actuelle et les catastrophes naturelles (CSDPTT).

*      De nouvelles formulations et ponctuations ont ?t? propos?es sur des
questions ponctuelles (et devront ?tre examin?es quand le nouveau texte sera
mis ? disposition).

*      Toutes les agences des Nations unies et l?UE sont dispos?es ? inclure
les r?sultats des r?unions du WSIS dans leurs rapports.

 

Les discussions de l?apr?s-midi se sont concentr?es sur le Groupe d'Action
sur les M?canismes de Financement (GAMF) et sur le Chapeau Politique.

 

Ci-dessous, r?sum? des questions li?es Rapport du GAMF, pr?sent?es par les
parties prenantes suivantes : Canada, Br?sil, Luxembourg, Inde, Iran, El
Salvador, Russie, CCBI, ENSTA, CSDPTT :

 

*      Impossibilit? de mettre un terme ? la discussion relative au Chapitre
2, du fait que de nombreuses d?l?gations r?clament un report de la date
limite, en raison du manque de temps pour la pr?paration de leurs
pr?sentations (en contradiction avec le r?glement int?rieur qui exige que
les contributions soient OBLIGATOIREMENT soumises quatre semaines AVANT le
PrepCom-2 !!). Proposition par le Pr?sident de revisiter les M?canismes de
Financement apr?s la r?union d?Accra et avant le PrepCom-2, laissant ainsi
plus de temps de r?flexion pour les suggestions potentielles, commentaires
et contributions. Les r?sultats doivent ?tre pr?sent?s au Pr?sident (au
cours de la semaine du 7 f?vrier, en gardant ? l?esprit que toute ?volution
majeure doit ?tre apport?es avant le PrepCom-2).

*      DSF, le Digital Solidarity Fund (Fond de Solidarit? Num?rique), doit
?tre de nouveau consult?, m?me si aucune requ?te sp?cifique en ce sens n?a
?t? mentionn?e par le Groupe d?Action.

*      N?cessit? urgente d?un texte plus ax? sur l?action et le march?
(Canada).

*      ? Cr?er des politiques et des incitations de r?gulation pour pousser
les fournisseurs de logiciels ? fournir un large acc?s ? Internet ? des prix
abordables ? (Br?sil).

*      Support aux suggestions Canadiennes et Br?siliennes et appel ?
insister sur le r?le important des responsabilit?s pour l?ensemble des
parties prenantes (Iran).

*      Demande pour que soit pr?sent? le co?t exact des mesures pour ?
combler la fracture num?rique ? (m?me un chiffre provisoire), mais des
chiffres sont n?cessaires, et aucun co?t n?a jusqu?alors ?t? mentionn?.

*      Cf. ci-dessous le texte complet de l?intervention de la CONGO.

 

Pour le Chapeau Politique, les parties prenantes suivantes ont fait part de
leurs suggestions : Luxembourg, Alg?rie, Russie, Egypte, Br?sil, Canada, El
Salvador, OMS, CONGO, ENSTA, CCBI. Ci-dessous, quelques unes des plus
importantes :

 

*      Remplacer dans le nouveau Chapitre 1 bis ? Le Sommet de Tunis
repr?sente un instant unique dans l?histoire de l?humanit? ? par ?
l?opportunit? pour nous de ? ?, du fait que la notion d?instant unique dans
l?histoire de l?humanit? devraient ?tre consacr?e aux instants r?ellement ?
uniques (id?e soutenue par la plupart des orateurs).

*      De meilleurs sujets (logiques) dans le cadre du Chapitre 1
(Luxembourg).

*      Inclusion de la sant? physique et mentale (CONGO) (Cf. le texte
complet de l?intervention de la CONGO)

*      Demande par la Tunisie de reformuler les anciens paragraphes 11 & 12
du texte ?labor? en d?cembre (supprim? du texte actuel) m?me si ceci ne
concerne que les backgrounders.

*      Demande par l?Egypte de reformuler l?ancien paragraphe 17 du texte
?labor? en d?cembre (supprim? du texte actuel).

*      Promouvoir un acc?s ouvert (? universel et omnipr?sent ?) ? la
science et ? l??ducation disponible pour tous (Alg?rie, Canada, Etats-Unis).

*      Plus d?ouverture, de contenu et de transparence afin de satisfaire
les ODM.

 

 

 

Remarques g?n?rales, par Yoshio Utsumi, SG de l?UIT :

 

Le projet de Document Final pour la seconde phase du Sommet Mondial sur la
Soci?t? de l?Information, bien qu??quilibr?, n?int?gre pas la ? dimension
des catastrophes ? (m?me si le tout prochain Sommet de Kob? devra aborder
cette question). Selon l?opinion du SG, le document reste tr?s loin
d?aborder la r?alit? effective du monde, et ? il ne pousse PAS les
dirigeants du monde ? s?engager ?, se concentrant uniquement sur le cadre
proc?dural (sauf pour les M?canismes de Financement). Yoshio Utsumi s?est
engag? ? envoyer d?s que possible ses propositions au Pr?sident et au
Secr?tariat Ex?cutif du SMSI.

 

Des contributions tr?s solides et engag?es ont ?t? apport?es tant au chapeau
politique qu?? la partie op?rationnelle du Document Final du Sommet Mondial
sur la Soci?t? de l?Information par Francis Muguet (ENSTA) et Jean-Louis
Fullsack (CSDPTT). Leurs commentaires peuvent ?tre envoy?s individuellement.

 

Veuillez trouver ci-dessous l?intervention de la CONGO au cours de la 4?me
r?union du Groupe d?Amis du Pr?sident (GAP), en salle XVIII du Palais des
Nations ? Gen?ve.

http://www.itu.int/wsis/gfc/docs/4/statements/CONGO.pdf

 

Rapport r?dig? par :

Adina FULGA RADI, CONGO Officer WSIS ES Secretariat

Philippe DAM, CONGO Assistant Coordinator

 

Note :

Les textes cit?s entre guillemets constituent nos propres traductions de
documents officiels publi?s en anglais uniquement ou des propos tenus par
les participants ? cette r?union.

 

 

 

PrepCom-2 : Demandes logistiques de la CONGO au nom de la SC

R?union avec Dani?le Boccard ? 11 Janvier 2005, Si?ge de l?UIT

*       Salle 531 / Bureau des ONG: attribu? ? la soci?t? civile, au 5?me
?tage du Palais des Nations. Le Bureau des ONG sera ?quip? de : 
 
*       1 PC fixe
*       1 ordinateur portable
*       1 ligne t?l?phonique (appels locaux uniquement, pas d?appels vers
mobiles ou internationaux)
*       1 imprimante
*       1 photocopieuse
*       Les fournitures de bureau seront fournies par la CONGO
 
*       La Salle XXII a ?t? attribu?e pour les r?unions de la Soci?t? Civile
/ Pl?ni?re pour l?ensemble du PrepCom-2. Cette salle (d?une capacit? de 104
personnes) est ?quip?e du Wi-Fi et W-lan (parmi les salles disponibles pour
les participants au PrepCom2, la Salle XXI est la SEULE ? ?tre ?quip?e en
Wi-Fi et W-lan). La traduction E/F/S sera constamment assur?e. Cette salle
h?bergera TOUTES les sessions pl?ni?res de la SC, ainsi que certains des
Caucus et d?autres r?unions (sur demande). Un programme complet sera mis ?
disposition d?s que TOUTES les demandes auront ?t? faites (et envoy?es) ? la
CONGO. Une s?ance d?orientation sera organis?e SALLE XXII le 14 f?vrier, de
14h00 ? 16h30 (traduction en E/F/S) suivie de la tenue de plusieurs groupes
de travail. Un plan d?acc?s et l?ensemble des informations utiles doivent
?tre distribu?s pendant la session d?orientation (et sera envoy?e par e-mail
avant le PrepCom2).
 
*       WI-FI et W-LAN disponible en Salle XXII et au cybercaf?. Veuillez
noter que vous devrez acheter votre propre carte d?acc?s (CISCO est
recommand?e par l?UIT) avant votre arriv?e sur place car il n?y a aucun
point de vente au Palais (des cartes peuvent ?tre disponibles ? la Librairie
de l?UIT). Il n?y aura pas de cartes gratuites, ni offertes par les
organisateurs. 
*      Il n?est pas possible (? ce stade) d?installer plusieurs acc?s
Internet sans fil pour couvrir l?ensemble des salles de r?union, la salle
pl?ni?re et les zones ext?rieures en m?me temps (? l?int?rieur du Palais des
Nations, pour des raisons de s?curit?).
 
*       Espace Cybercaf? - Un cybercaf? (DISPONIBLE POUR TOUS ET PAS
SEULEMENT POUR LES ONG) sera install? derri?re l?Assembl?e G?n?rale, HALL
XIII ? XV (? l?oppos? de la ?Salle des pas perdus?). Le Cybercaf? sera
?quip? de 35 PC et de 30 portables. 
*      La CONGO est en train de n?gocier avec l?ONU/DIP/Services Techniques
des Conf?rences la possibilit? d?installer un Cybercaf? permanent dans le
Salon des ONG (l?op?rationnalit? ? long terme reste sujette ? des proc?dures
officielles complexes)

*       N?gociation pour des r?ductions avec les H?tels (nous pouvons
n?gocier ? condition que nous ayons des r?servations assur?es pour au moins
100 personnes, etc.)

*      Les ONG pourraient utiliser la liste des h?tels ? prix r?duit fournie
par l?UIT  <http://www.itu.int/travel/> http://www.itu.int/travel/  ou  la
liste de la CONGO (voir ci-joint)

*       Photocopies gratuites, agrafeuses, papier, fournitures de bureau  

*      Cf. bureau de la CONGO, fournitures de bureau fournies par la CONGO.

Acc?s Internet ? Un acc?s sans proxy et DMZ autorisant les connections VPN
et autres connections s?curis?es (telles que SSH, SSL, etc) devra ?tre
install? et configur?. Le Switch et les points d?acc?s Wireless mentionn?s
plus haut doivent ?tre connect?s ? cet acc?s sans proxy.

Electricit?: Le CICG ?tait agr?able dans le sens o? l??lectricit? ?tait
disponible partout. Toutes les salles ?taient bien ?quip?es, de m?me que les
bureaux des pr?sidences dans la salle pl?ni?re. J?esp?re qu?il en sera de
m?me au Palais ? sinon ce probl?me devra ?tre r?solu.

Plus d?information de la part de Robert Guerra est requise sur les besoins
exacts (demande faite par le ITU System et le Network Administrator, qui a
confirm? que l?UIT s?ouvrira au SSH, SSL, etc, hors du firewall de
l?ONU-Gen?ve, avec moins de restrictions que sur son propre r?seau). On a
besoin de plus d?information de la part de Robert sur les besoins exacts
(demande faite par le ITU System et le Network Administrator). 
 

Une version mise ? jour de la liste logistique sera disponible d?s que
possible.

Pour toute information suppl?mentaire, n?h?sitez pas ? me contacter:

Adina FULGA RADI

CONGO Officer WSIS CS Secretariat

+ 41 22 310 10 00

+ 41 78 703 37 36

adinafulgaradi@yahoo.com
<http://us.f264.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=adinafulgaradi@yahoo.com> 

 

 

 

 

Renate Bloem
President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
11, Avenue de la Paix
CH-1202 Geneva
Tel: +41 22 301 1000
Fax: +41 22 301 2000
E-mil:  <mailto:rbloem@ngocongo.org> rbloem@ngocongo.org
Website: www.ngocongo.org <http://www.ngocongo.org/> 

 

The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, membership association
that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United Nations debates and
decisions. Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective is to ensure the
presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's governments and United
Nations agencies on issues of global concern.  For more information see our
website at www.ngocongo.org <http://www.ngocongo.org/> 


Reminder: CONGO Postal Address Has Changed


We will soon be unable to receive mail at our old address at the Palais des
Nations in Geneva.  So please make sure to update your records with CONGO's
new Geneva office postal address: CP 50, 1211 Gen?ve 20, Switzerland.  Our
physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 1st Floor, 1202 Gen?ve,
Switzerland.

 

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From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Welcome Adina
Message-ID: <20050113173926.36299.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear all, Adina
 
It is my pleasure to welcome you on behalf of the African CS caucus (which may be the most worrisome in days to come).  Since you are already used to the WSIS ....
 
Oh! Just for A Gender Agenda is it Mr or Ms?  You never can tell ..
 
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From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Accra kicks off with High level training for Civil Society participants.
Message-ID: <20050113181157.68053.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear all
 
This is an invitation to benefit from the all-important  Civil Society training which willbe the starting point of the Accra Pre-conference series.  Please disseminate to your networks.  For extra information, contact Nnenna on nne75@yahoo.com 
 
__________
 

Africa Civil Society Forum 

WSIS Africa Regional PrepCom 2005 Pre-Event: 28th January 2005

PROVISIONAL PROGRAMME



The Forum has objectives/outputs: 



A: Capacity Building/Training 

B: Issue Statements & Strategies for effective civil society inputs

C: Organizational & Structural Issues 



A:

Capacity Building/Training Session

TIME

SESSION

PRESENTER

9:00 – 9.30

Welcome:

   Introductions (participants etc.)
   Adoption of agenda

Dr. Olivier Nana Nzépa

9.30 – 11:00

   An overview of civil society engagement in national, regional and international policy making
      Different types of ICT policy and the processes that shape them at national, regional and Global levels:
      Global (WSIS, WTO, WIPO, ITU, etc.)
      Regional (NICI, SADC, COMESA, ECOWAS, Nepad etc.)
      National (e-strategies, NICI, national ICT policy)

   Influencing policy: overview of a range of options (advocacy, lobbying, awareness raising, training etc.)
      Two country case studies (Guinea, DRC)


APC 

UNECA

ACSIS National Focal Points

11:00 – 11:30

Tea

11:30 – 12:15

   Policy negotiations and relations of civil society with United Nations, ECOSOC, UN mainline consultations and organizations like WIPO, ITU, WTO, AU, NEPAD

CONGO, NGLS

 

 

12:15 – 13:00

   WSIS processes and Civil Society
      Establishment and use of caucuses
      Content and themes group
      Working Groups 


APC

Civil Society Bureau
   
13:00 – 14:00

Lunch

B:

Issue Statements & Strategies for effective Civil Society inputs

14:00 – 15:15

   Position Papers: Presentation of reports from online discussion 
      Financing ICT4D
      Internet Governance
      ICT priorities for Africa


Participants discussion

15:15 – 16:00

   Strategies for effective civil society inputs
   Advocacy and Lobbying during the Accra conference

Participants forum

16:15 – 16:30

Tea
 


C:

Organizational & Structural Issues 

16:30 – 17:00

   Use of online collaboratory software for online and distance organization

Derrick L. Cogburg

17:00 – 18:00

   Africa Civil Society in the Information Society (ACSIS) Meeting

Olivier Nana Nzépa


		
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From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Accra démarre avec une formation du haut niveau pour la société civile
Message-ID: <20050113182117.57370.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com>

Chers tous
 
Nous venons par la présente vous inviter à  l'importante formation  pour la société civile qui sera le point de démarrage pour la série de pre- conférences d'Accra.  Faites passer le message à vos réseaux.  Pour plus d'info,contacter Nnenna  sur  nne75@yahoo.com 
 

Forum de la Société Civile Africaine

Conférence Préparatoire Régionale Africaine pour le SMSI

PrepCom 2005: Janvier 2005

PROGRAMME PROVISOIRE



Le forum a pour objectifs/résultats: 



A: Le renforcement des capacités/Formation 



B: L’établissement des positions et des stratégies pour un engagement efficace de la société civile 



C: Le traitement des questions organisationnelles et structurelles 



A:

Session de renforcement des capacités/Formation

TIME

SESSION

Animateur

9:00 – 9.30

Bienvenue:

   Présentations (participants etc.)
   Adoption d’ordre du jour

 

Dr. Olivier Nana Nzépa 

9.30 – 11:00

   L’engagement de la société civile aux processus de prises de décisions aux niveaux national, régional et global 
   Des politiques TICs et leurs processus aux niveaux national, régional et global 
      Global (SMSI, OMC, OMPI, UIT, etc.)
      Régional (NICI, SADC, COMESA, CEDEAO, Nepad etc.)
      National (E-stratégies, NICIs, politique national TIC)

   Contribuer à la politique: des options différentes (les plaidoyers, lobbying, la sensibilisation, formation etc.)
      Présentation des cas nationaux (La Guinée, La RDC)


APC et UNECA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Points Focaux National SCASI

11:00 – 11:30

Café

11:30 – 12:15

   Politiques, négociations et relations de la société civile avec les Nations Unies, ECOSOC et des consultations au sein de l’ONU et les grandes organisations : OMPI, UIT, UA, NEPAD

CONGO, NGLS

 

 

12:15 – 13:00

   Les processus SMSI et la société civile 
      Etablissement et emploi de groupes du travail, caucus
      Le group Contenue et thèmes group
      Les groupes du travail 


APC

Bureau de la société civile 
   
13:00 – 14:00

Déjeuner

B:

Établissement des positions et des stratégies pour un engagement efficace de la société civile

14:00 – 15:15

   Positions: Présentation des rapports des discussions en ligne 
      Financement des TIC4D
      Gouvernance de l’Internet 
      Priorités TICs pour l’Afrique 


discussion par participants 

15:15 – 16:00

   Stratégies pour un engagement effectif de la société civile 
   Les Plaidoyers et lobbying pendant la conférence d’Accra 

Forum des participants 

16:15 – 16:30

Café
 


C:

Questions organisationnelles et structurelles

16:30 – 17:00

   Utilisation des logiciels de collaboration en ligne pour une organisation distante et électronique 

Derrick L. Cogburn

17:00 – 18:00

   Réunion de la Société Civile Africaine de la Société de L’Information (SCASI) 

Dr. Olivier Nana Nzépa



		
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From greve at fsfeurope.org  Thu Jan 13 14:33:23 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <s1e5485e.009@gwia201.syr.edu> (Milton Mueller's message of "Wed,
	12 Jan 2005 15:54:52 -0500")
References: <s1e5485e.009@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <m3hdlle6vg.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org>

 || On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:54:52 -0500
 || "Milton Mueller" <Mueller@syr.edu> wrote: 

 mm> Have the FS advocates changed their tune now?

No change in position has taken place.

As far as I know, since I of course cannot speak officially for him,
Richard has thought and still thinks that the issues would be better
served if they were kept out of the WGIG. Given the current situation
and composition of the WGIG, that may have been a very good notion.

I myself always expected these issues to be addressed within the scope
of the WGIG and never made a secret of that opinion, which is also why
I took care along with Francis Muguet to ensure the PCT working group
would provide a solid list of excellent candidates in due time, which
it did.

Only when it became clear that the PCT working group had been actively
excluded from the WGIG and after these issues were not mentioned at
the setup of the WGIG did I ask to keep them out of it and not expand
the scope of the WGIG into areas where no Civil Society representative
was included.


 mm> However, civil society members of the WGIG are on this list and
 mm> seem to be reasonably responsive to positions that are advocated
 mm> and accepted here.

If the ability of providing outside documents and input was sufficient
to really make a change, there would not be any need for Civil Society
representatives in the WGIG.

As all of us who participated to the working groups in phase one and
were fighting for Civil Society access to them know from experience,
once it comes to the important text-negotiations, this turns into a
work-intensive, useless channel and leaves the outsiders view on the
issues essentially unrepresented.

Regards,
Georg

-- 
Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
Free Software Foundation Europe	                 (http://fsfeurope.org)
GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
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From greve at fsfeurope.org  Thu Jan 13 14:17:58 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <s1e54cc5.091@gwia201.syr.edu> (Milton Mueller's message of "Wed,
	12 Jan 2005 16:13:48 -0500")
References: <s1e54cc5.091@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <m3llaxe7l5.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org>

 || On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:13:48 -0500
 || "Milton Mueller" <Mueller@syr.edu> wrote: 

 mm> Many people involved in WSIS-CS have an interest in intellectual
 mm> property issues but were not involved in the PCT working group.

True. This is also true for any other working group and is getting
somewhat reiterative of what was said before in the discussion.

Not everyone with interest in human rights is involved in the Human
Rights Caucus, not everyone interested in gender issues is involved in
the Gender Caucus. Yet those who take a more detailed interest and who
are focussing on these issues are.

I don't think that asking to abolish the working groups -- which is
ultimately the consequence of denying their work and position any
legitimity -- is really a very useful or constructive suggestion.


Of course "Civil Society" is admittedly a fuzzy concept, which is
probably best described as "those who are actively and professionally
working on a specific area" as in the statement that "Civil Society is
as Civil Society does."

But if you want a statement of "Civil Society" on gender issues, you
would normally not ask the Indigenous Peoples Caucus, although I know
that there are many gender issues affecting their work, you would ask
the Gender Caucus. 

Although it might actually be useful for the Gender Caucus to include
the Indigenous Peoples Caucus on the issue, especially when the issue
is touching heavily on their area, you would definitely not actively
exclude the Gender Caucus from drafting that statement and later claim
that Civil Society was well-represented.


The PCT working group consists of the people who were actively taking
an interest and participating in the work around the areas of Patents,
Copyrights and Trademarks as well as Free Software and Open Standards.

These people selected a couple of representatives who are able to
represent their work and ideas as well as (to a certain extent) the
work and ideas of their organisations.


As you said yourself, Free Software is not represented in any way in
the WGIG. Because the PCT working group was actively excluded from the
WGIG, the same is true for Patents, Copyrights and Trademarks as well
as Open Standards.

Regards,
Georg

-- 
Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
Free Software Foundation Europe	                 (http://fsfeurope.org)
GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
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From greve at fsfeurope.org  Thu Jan 13 13:12:35 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] UN Official Document System is online
In-Reply-To: <s1e54fea.073@gwia201.syr.edu> (Milton Mueller's message of "Wed,
	12 Jan 2005 16:27:02 -0500")
References: <s1e54fea.073@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <m3r7kpeam4.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org>

Dear Milton,

 || On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:27:02 -0500
 || "Milton Mueller" <Mueller@syr.edu> wrote: 

 mm> "Civil society" as a whole has _not_ avoided the term. You have.

Not me personally, the PCT group has. 

And the PCT group was also the one that wrote the position statements
of Civil Society on these issues during the first phase.

We are aware, though, that PCT issues are among the most controversial
within Civil Society and society in general. In fact the discussions
within the PCT group can at times be quite controversial.

That is one of the reasons why it is so unacceptable to not have
anyone within the WGIG who can represent and bring in that
perspective.


 mm> The term "intellectual property" appears 7 times in the CS
 mm> Declaration.

Yes, the CS Declaration is indeed a rather inconsistent document which
partially contradicts itself, had factual mistakes and several demands
that seem strange when read in daylight.

I am aware that this is owed to the rather short-timed and chaotic
drafting period and several practical problems combined with the need
to come to an end. I know that all people involved gave their best,
the task to produce a consistent, hard document from so many sources
in such short time was simply beyond anyone's capability.

But the unbalanced viewpoint of issues around PCT was indeed why
several people and organisations could not sign onto the CS
Declaration. 

The predecessor of the Declaration, the Civil Society Essential
Benchmarks did not have that problem, which is why it still makes for
a harder document in some ways.


 mm> If the term "intellectual property," which serves as a general
 mm> grouping for copyright, patent, and trademark concepts, is
 mm> "flawed and biased," then why is it not equally flawed and biased
 mm> to lump the three things together in an acronym? 

Like the acronym "IP," which can, among other things, be misunderstood
as "Internet Protocol," the acronym "PCT" is certainly not perfect. 

But while the term "intellectual property" has no way of emphasizing
their difference, speaking of "Patents, Copyrights and Trademarks"
gives each their individual mentioning.

I am aware that Richard advocates clear thinking and avoiding to fall
into the trap of believing that the three were similar by seeing them
mentioned under one term. While I can appreciate Richards argument, I
don't think it is the only or necessarily the most important reason to
avoid the term "intellectual property."

The term has another major problem because it speaks about "property,"
subconsciously suggesting that what people learned as children about
things that were property also holds true for thoughts, ideas and
other "virtualities," which is certainly false.

In the end, avoiding the term "property" as well as "lumping them
together" are both measures to encourage clear thinking and avoid
wrong gut reactions.

You may disagree with his methods, but I think that advocating clear
thinking is not something to hold against Richard.

If you are interested in getting deeper into the subject matter,
please see the publications I mentioned in previous emails as well as
the WIWO declaration. [1]

[1] http://fsfeurope.org/documents/wiwo.en.html


 mm> Why does your working group combine them? Why not have separate
 mm> caucuses for each?

There are several answers to these questions.

One reason is historical -- the group was called "IPR" very briefly in
its beginning and then changed its name, and the people involved did
not feel the need to begin working group inflation.

There is also no reason why this group is the one that dealt with Free
Software or Open Standards, which both could have had their own
working groups, as well.

In the end, it apparently turned out that self-(re)organisation does
not always provide the most consistent names or most obvious choices
of grouping. I think such "problems" could be pinpointed for any other
working group, in fact.

Regards,
Georg

-- 
Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
Free Software Foundation Europe	                 (http://fsfeurope.org)
GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
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From jsarr at refer.sn  Thu Jan 13 19:01:31 2005
From: jsarr at refer.sn (Joseph Sarr)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Accra =?iso-8859-1?b?ZOltYXJyZQ==?= avec une formation du haut niveau pour la =?iso-8859-1?b?c29jael06Q==?= civile
In-Reply-To: <20050113182117.57370.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050113182117.57370.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1105642890.41e6c58b00094@www.refer.sn>

Bonsoir Nnenna

Peut-on conna?tre le jour de la formation?
Merci d'avance.

Joseph SARR
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Selon Nnenna <nne75@yahoo.com>:

> Chers tous
>  
> Nous venons par la pr?sente vous inviter ?  l'importante formation  pour la
> soci?t? civile qui sera le point de d?marrage pour la s?rie de pre-
> conf?rences d'Accra.  Faites passer le message ? vos r?seaux.  Pour plus
> d'info,contacter Nnenna  sur  nne75@yahoo.com 
>  
> 
> Forum de la Soci?t? Civile Africaine
> 
> Conf?rence Pr?paratoire R?gionale Africaine pour le SMSI
> 
> PrepCom 2005: Janvier 2005
> 
> PROGRAMME PROVISOIRE
> 
> 
> 
> Le forum a pour objectifs/r?sultats: 
> 
> 
> 
> A: Le renforcement des capacit?s/Formation 
> 
> 
> 
> B: L??tablissement des positions et des strat?gies pour un engagement
> efficace de la soci?t? civile 
> 
> 
> 
> C: Le traitement des questions organisationnelles et structurelles 
> 
> 
> 
> A:
> 
> Session de renforcement des capacit?s/Formation
> 
> TIME
> 
> SESSION
> 
> Animateur
> 
> 9:00 ? 9.30
> 
> Bienvenue:
> 
>    Pr?sentations (participants etc.)
>    Adoption d?ordre du jour
> 
>  
> 
> Dr. Olivier Nana Nz?pa 
> 
> 9.30 ? 11:00
> 
>    L?engagement de la soci?t? civile aux processus de prises de d?cisions aux
> niveaux national, r?gional et global 
>    Des politiques TICs et leurs processus aux niveaux national, r?gional et
> global 
>       Global (SMSI, OMC, OMPI, UIT, etc.)
>       R?gional (NICI, SADC, COMESA, CEDEAO, Nepad etc.)
>       National (E-strat?gies, NICIs, politique national TIC)
> 
>    Contribuer ? la politique: des options diff?rentes (les plaidoyers,
> lobbying, la sensibilisation, formation etc.)
>       Pr?sentation des cas nationaux (La Guin?e, La RDC)
> 
> 
> APC et UNECA
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Points Focaux National SCASI
> 
> 11:00 ? 11:30
> 
> Caf?
> 
> 11:30 ? 12:15
> 
>    Politiques, n?gociations et relations de la soci?t? civile avec les
> Nations Unies, ECOSOC et des consultations au sein de l?ONU et les grandes
> organisations : OMPI, UIT, UA, NEPAD
> 
> CONGO, NGLS
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 12:15 ? 13:00
> 
>    Les processus SMSI et la soci?t? civile 
>       Etablissement et emploi de groupes du travail, caucus
>       Le group Contenue et th?mes group
>       Les groupes du travail 
> 
> 
> APC
> 
> Bureau de la soci?t? civile 
>    
> 13:00 ? 14:00
> 
> D?jeuner
> 
> B:
> 
> ?tablissement des positions et des strat?gies pour un engagement efficace de
> la soci?t? civile
> 
> 14:00 ? 15:15
> 
>    Positions: Pr?sentation des rapports des discussions en ligne 
>       Financement des TIC4D
>       Gouvernance de l?Internet 
>       Priorit?s TICs pour l?Afrique 
> 
> 
> discussion par participants 
> 
> 15:15 ? 16:00
> 
>    Strat?gies pour un engagement effectif de la soci?t? civile 
>    Les Plaidoyers et lobbying pendant la conf?rence d?Accra 
> 
> Forum des participants 
> 
> 16:15 ? 16:30
> 
> Caf?
>  
> 
> 
> C:
> 
> Questions organisationnelles et structurelles
> 
> 16:30 ? 17:00
> 
>    Utilisation des logiciels de collaboration en ligne pour une organisation
> distante et ?lectronique 
> 
> Derrick L. Cogburn
> 
> 17:00 ? 18:00
> 
>    R?union de la Soci?t? Civile Africaine de la Soci?t? de L?Information
> (SCASI) 
> 
> Dr. Olivier Nana Nz?pa
> 
> 
> 
> 		
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
>  Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less.


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From Bruno.Salgues at int-evry.fr  Thu Jan 13 19:06:38 2005
From: Bruno.Salgues at int-evry.fr (Bruno SALGUES)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Accra =?iso-8859-15?b?ZOltYXJyZQ==?= avec une formation du haut niveau pour la =?iso-8859-15?b?c29jael06Q==?= civile
In-Reply-To: <1105642890.41e6c58b00094@www.refer.sn>
References: <20050113182117.57370.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> <1105642890.41e6c58b00094@www.refer.sn>
Message-ID: <1105643198.41e6c6bebe833@imp.int-evry.fr>

je poeux participer gratuitement a cette formation
je suis professeur a l institut national des telecommunciations en france

bruno salgues
www.int-evry.fr
www.salgues.com


j attends vos proposition

bruno


Selon Joseph Sarr <jsarr@refer.sn>:

> Bonsoir Nnenna
>
> Peut-on conna?tre le jour de la formation?
> Merci d'avance.
>
> Joseph SARR
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Selon Nnenna <nne75@yahoo.com>:
>
> > Chers tous
> >
> > Nous venons par la pr?sente vous inviter ?  l'importante formation  pour la
> > soci?t? civile qui sera le point de d?marrage pour la s?rie de pre-
> > conf?rences d'Accra.  Faites passer le message ? vos r?seaux.  Pour plus
> > d'info,contacter Nnenna  sur  nne75@yahoo.com
> >
> >
> > Forum de la Soci?t? Civile Africaine
> >
> > Conf?rence Pr?paratoire R?gionale Africaine pour le SMSI
> >
> > PrepCom 2005: Janvier 2005
> >
> > PROGRAMME PROVISOIRE
> >
> >
> >
> > Le forum a pour objectifs/r?sultats:
> >
> >
> >
> > A: Le renforcement des capacit?s/Formation
> >
> >
> >
> > B: L??tablissement des positions et des strat?gies pour un engagement
> > efficace de la soci?t? civile
> >
> >
> >
> > C: Le traitement des questions organisationnelles et structurelles
> >
> >
> >
> > A:
> >
> > Session de renforcement des capacit?s/Formation
> >
> > TIME
> >
> > SESSION
> >
> > Animateur
> >
> > 9:00 ? 9.30
> >
> > Bienvenue:
> >
> >    Pr?sentations (participants etc.)
> >    Adoption d?ordre du jour
> >
> >
> >
> > Dr. Olivier Nana Nz?pa
> >
> > 9.30 ? 11:00
> >
> >    L?engagement de la soci?t? civile aux processus de prises de d?cisions
> aux
> > niveaux national, r?gional et global
> >    Des politiques TICs et leurs processus aux niveaux national, r?gional et
> > global
> >       Global (SMSI, OMC, OMPI, UIT, etc.)
> >       R?gional (NICI, SADC, COMESA, CEDEAO, Nepad etc.)
> >       National (E-strat?gies, NICIs, politique national TIC)
> >
> >    Contribuer ? la politique: des options diff?rentes (les plaidoyers,
> > lobbying, la sensibilisation, formation etc.)
> >       Pr?sentation des cas nationaux (La Guin?e, La RDC)
> >
> >
> > APC et UNECA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Points Focaux National SCASI
> >
> > 11:00 ? 11:30
> >
> > Caf?
> >
> > 11:30 ? 12:15
> >
> >    Politiques, n?gociations et relations de la soci?t? civile avec les
> > Nations Unies, ECOSOC et des consultations au sein de l?ONU et les grandes
> > organisations : OMPI, UIT, UA, NEPAD
> >
> > CONGO, NGLS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 12:15 ? 13:00
> >
> >    Les processus SMSI et la soci?t? civile
> >       Etablissement et emploi de groupes du travail, caucus
> >       Le group Contenue et th?mes group
> >       Les groupes du travail
> >
> >
> > APC
> >
> > Bureau de la soci?t? civile
> >
> > 13:00 ? 14:00
> >
> > D?jeuner
> >
> > B:
> >
> > ?tablissement des positions et des strat?gies pour un engagement efficace
> de
> > la soci?t? civile
> >
> > 14:00 ? 15:15
> >
> >    Positions: Pr?sentation des rapports des discussions en ligne
> >       Financement des TIC4D
> >       Gouvernance de l?Internet
> >       Priorit?s TICs pour l?Afrique
> >
> >
> > discussion par participants
> >
> > 15:15 ? 16:00
> >
> >    Strat?gies pour un engagement effectif de la soci?t? civile
> >    Les Plaidoyers et lobbying pendant la conf?rence d?Accra
> >
> > Forum des participants
> >
> > 16:15 ? 16:30
> >
> > Caf?
> >
> >
> >
> > C:
> >
> > Questions organisationnelles et structurelles
> >
> > 16:30 ? 17:00
> >
> >    Utilisation des logiciels de collaboration en ligne pour une
> organisation
> > distante et ?lectronique
> >
> > Derrick L. Cogburn
> >
> > 17:00 ? 18:00
> >
> >    R?union de la Soci?t? Civile Africaine de la Soci?t? de L?Information
> > (SCASI)
> >
> > Dr. Olivier Nana Nz?pa
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> >  Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less.
>
>
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>
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From jsarr at refer.sn  Thu Jan 13 19:27:21 2005
From: jsarr at refer.sn (Joseph Sarr)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CONGO Discount Rates Hotel List
In-Reply-To: <41DE9B9E00086855@mail15.bluewin.ch> (added by postmaster@bluewin.ch)
References: <41DE9B9E00086855@mail15.bluewin.ch> (added by postmaster@bluewin.ch)
Message-ID: <1105644441.41e6cb99557ee@www.refer.sn>

Ch?re Renata,

Merci pour ces informations.
Salutations cordiales.

Joseph
----------------------------------------------------------------------
 Selon Renata Bloem <rbloem@ngocongo.org>:

> Dear ALL,
> 
>  
> 
> Please find attached the discounted hotel list we put together in order to
> accommodate yr travel to the PrepCom2. Hope this helps make yr travel
> arrangements accordingly.
> 
> Looking forward to hearing from you and to seeing you soon in Gnva,
> 
>  
> 
> Adina Fulga Radi
> 
> + 41 22 301 10 00
> 
> + 41 78 703 37 36
> 
> adinafulgaradi@yahoo.com
> 
>  
> 
> Mesdames, Messieurs,
> 
>  
> 
> Veuillez trouver ci-jointe la liste des h?tels ? prix r?duit fournie par la
> CONGO. En esp?rant que cela vous facilitera votre voyage ? Gen?ve lors de
> la
> PrepCom2, veuillez agr?er, Mesdames, Messieurs, mes salutations les plus
> distingu?es.
> 
>  
> 
> Adina Fulga Radi
> 
> + 41 22 301 10 00
> 
> + 41 78 703 37 36
> 
> adinafulgaradi@yahoo.com
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Accommodation list GENEVA
> 
>  
> 
> 
> NAME
> 
> ADDRESS
> 
> TELEPHONE FAX
> 
> Web site
> 
> email
> 
> PRICE
> 
> Week /night
> 
> 
> Centre St. Boniface
> 
> Av du Mail 14,
> 
> 1205 Geneve
> 
> +41223222600
> 
> f. +41223222601
> 
> http://www.cstb.ch/
> 
> See Web site
> 
> 
> Residence
> 
> Village-Suisse
> 
> 3, rue du Village-Suisse, 1205 Geneve
> 
> +41223203869
> 
>  
> 
> 490 CHF/ Studio
> 
> 
> Cit? Universitaire de Gen?ve
> 
> Avenue de Miremont 46, 1206 Geneve
> 
> +41228362222
> 
> f. +41228392223
> 
> http://www.unige.ch/cite-uni
> 
> 420-750 CHF
> 
> 
> Accueil R?sidence pour Jeunes Filles
> 
> Rue Alcides-Jentez 8, 1205 Geneve
> 
> +41223209277
> 
>  
> 
> 490 CHF
> 
> 
> R?sidence Le Voltaire
> 
> 9, rue Le Voltaire
> 
> 1201 Geneve
> 
> +41223442460
> 
> f. +41223442460 
> 
>  
> 
> 400 CHF
> 
> 
> Foyer Le Carillan
> 
> Av. ds Communes-Reunies 16,
> 
> 1212 Grand-Lancy
> 
> +41227946150
> 
>  
> 
> 340 CHF
> 
> 
> Foyer Mytjana
> 
> Av. ds Communes-Reunies 16,
> 
> 1212 Grand-Lancy
> 
> +41227945698
> 
>  
> 
> 340 CHF
> 
> 
> Centre Universitaire Protestant 1
> 
> Av. du Mail, 1205 Geneve
> 
> +41223229000
> 
> f. +41223229099
> 
>  
> 
> 650 CHF
> 
> 
> Centre Universitaire Protestant 2
> 
> Boulevard de la Tour 1, 1205 Geneve
> 
> +41227081010
> 
> f. +41227081011
> 
> Email : cup2@span.ch
> 
> 480CHF
> 
> 970 CHF (Studio)
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Foyer Forget Me Not
> 
> Rue Virginier 8, 1205 Geneve
> 
> +41223209355
> 
>  
> 
> 595 CHF
> 
> 
> Foyer Internationale pour Jeunes Filles
> 
> Rue Platamour 29, 1201 Geneve
> 
> +41227315560
> 
>  
> 
> 500-700 CHF
> 
> 
> Foyer Georges Williams
> 
> Av. Sainte Clotilde 9, 1201 Geneve
> 
> +41223281136
> 
> Email : 
> 
>  <mailto:foyer@ucg.ch> foyer@ucg.ch
> 
> 450 CHF
> 
> 
> Residence Universitaire Internationale
> 
>  Rue Rothschild 22, 1202 Geneve
> 
> +41227160202
> 
> f. +41227160201
> 
>  <http://www.ruige.bizland.com/> www.ruige.bizland.com
> 
>  <mailto:rui@unige.ch> rui@unige.ch
> 
> 430 CHF
> 
> 510 CHF
> 
> (studio)
> 
> 
> Home Saint Pierre
> 
> Cour Saint-Pierre 42,
> 
> 1204 Geneve
> 
> +41223103707
> 
> f. +41223101727
> 
>  <mailto:homesstpierre@freesurf.ch> homesstpierre@freesurf.ch
> 
> 570-660 CHF
> 
> 
> Foyer International St-Justin
> 
> Rue de Prieur? 15-17, 1204 Geneve
> 
> +41227311135 
> 
> justin@bluewin.ch
> 
> 380 CHF
> 
> 
> Foyer Universitaire de Carouge
> 
> Rue Joseph-Girard 12, 1227 Carouge
> 
> +41223015434
> 
> f. +41223015477
> 
> carouge@arvor.ch
> 
> 865-990 CHF
> 
> 
> La Villa Clotilda 
> 
> Rue de Mont Sion 14, 
> 
> +41223469844
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 1100- 
> 
> 
> Studio House
> 
> 4 rue des Acacias, 1227 Geneve
> 
> +41223040300
> 
> f. +41223431021
> 
>  
> 
> 60 CHF
> 
> 
> Hotel de l??toile
> 
> 17, rue des Vieux-Grenadiers, 1205 Geneve
> 
> +41223287208
> 
> f. +41223211624
> 
>  
> 
> 90 CHF
> 
> 
> Youth Hostel
> 
> Rue Rothschild 28-30, 1202 Geneva
> 
> +41227326260
> 
> f. +41227383987
> 
>  <http://www.yh-geneva.ch/> www.yh-geneva.ch
> 
>  <mailto:booking@yh-geneva.ch> booking@yh-geneva.ch
> 
> 24 ? 105 CHF
> 
> 
> Centre International Reform? John Knox
> 
> 27, rue des Crets-de-Pregny, 1218 Gd Sacconnex
> 
> +4122 747 0000
> 
> f. +4122 747 0099
> 
> www.johnknox.ch <http://www.johnknox.ch/> 
> 
> 30-85 CHF
> 
> 
> City Hostel Geneva
> 
> 2, rue Ferrier, 1202 Geneve
> 
> +41229011500
> 
> f. +41229011560
> 
>  <http://www.cityhostel.ch/> www.cityhostel.ch
> 
>  <mailto:info@cityhostel.ch> info@cityhostel.ch
> 
> 25-80 CHF
> 
> 
> Home sweet Home
> 
> Rue Pre Naville6, 1207 Geneve 
> 
> +41227369356
> 
> f. +41227369355
> 
> www.homesweethome.ch <http://www.homesweethome.ch/> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Rentimo
> 
>  
> 
> +41227315340
> 
>  
> 
> 650 CHF
> 
> 
> R?gies Zimmermann
> 
>  
> 
> +41229092525
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Soci?t? Terranias
> 
>  
> 
> +41227356320
> 
> http://www.terranias.ch <http://www.terranias.ch/> 
> 
> See web site
> 
> 
> R?sidence 
> 
> St James
> 
> Rue du Versonnex 3, 1204 Geneve
> 
> +41228499100
> 
> f. +41227364374
> 
> www.st-james.ch <http://www.st-james.ch/> 
> 
> 150-200 CHF
> 
> 
> R?sidence de France
> 
> 4, av de France 1202 Geneve
> 
> +41229086700
> 
> f. +41223398001
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Hotel Tiffany
> 
> 1, rue des Marbriers 1204 Geneve
> 
>  
> 
>  <http://www.hotel-tiffany.ch/> http://www.hotel-tiffany.ch
> 
> 220-660 CHF
> 
> 
> Hotel 
> 
> Mon-Repos
> 
> 131, rue de Lausanne CH-122 Geneva
> 
> +41229093909
> 
> f. +41229093993
> 
> http://hmrge.ch <http://hmrge.ch/> 
> 
> reservations@hmrge.ch
> 
> 145.- CHF
> 
> 
> Hotel 
> 
> Les Nations
> 
> Rue du Grand-Pr? 62
> 
> PO Box 420 1211Geneva 16
> 
> +41227480808
> 
> f. 41227343884
> 
> http://www.hotel-les-nations.com <http://www.hotel-les-nations.com/> 
> 
> info@hotel-les-nations.com 
> 
> 165-600 CHF
> 
> 
> Hotel St-Gervais
> 
> Rue des Corps-Saints 20 CH-1201 Geneva
> 
> Tel & f. +41227324572
> 
>  
> 
> 80.- CHF
> 
> 
> Hotel de La Cloche
> 
> 6, rue de la Cloche
> 
> 1201 Geneva
> 
> +4122729481
> 
> +41227381612
> 
> www.tbh-ge.ch/cloche
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Pension Esmeralda
> 
> 7, rue Simon Durand
> 
> 1227 Acacias
> 
>  
> 
> +41223439698
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Hotel Luserna
> 
> 12 Avenue de Luserna 1203 Geneva
> 
> +41223454545 f.+41223444936
> 
>  
> 
> www.hotel-luserna.ch <http://www.hotel-luserna.ch/> 
> 
> info@hotel-luserna.ch
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Hotel du Mont-Blanc
> 
> 59, rue Ancienne
> 
> 1227 Carouge
> 
> +41223433811
> 
> f. +413433813
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Hotel Les Quatre Nations
> 
> 43, rue de Zurich 
> 
> 1201 Geneva
> 
> +41227320224
> 
> f. +41227312141
> 
> http://tbh-ge.ch/nations
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Hotel Aida
> 
> 6, avenue Henri-Dunant 
> 
> 1205 Geneva
> 
> +41223201266
> 
> f.+41223212853
> 
> Hotel.aida.geneva@bluewin.ch
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Hotel Bel?Esperance
> 
> 1,rue de la Vall?e 
> 
> 1204 Geneva
> 
> +41228183737
> 
> +41228183773
> 
> http://www.hotel-bel-esperance.ch <http://www.hotel-bel-esperance.ch/> 
> 
> belesp@swi.salvationarmy.org
> 
> 95-180 CHF
> 
> 
> Hotel Bellerive
> 
> 83, route d?Ermance
> 
> 1245 Bellerive
> 
> +41227521282
> 
> f. +41227521513
> 
> www.scrhg.ch <http://www.scrhg.ch/> 
> 
> q.calendret@worldonline.ch
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Hotel Bernina
> 
>  
> 
> 22, place Cornavin
> 
> 1201 Geneva
> 
> +41229084950
> 
> +41229084951
> 
> www.bernina-geneve.ch <http://www.bernina-geneve.ch/> 
> 
> info@bernina-geneve.ch
> 
> 100 CHF
> 
> 
> Hotel Carmen
> 
> 5, rue Dancet 
> 
> 1205 Geneva
> 
> +41223291111
> 
> f. +41227815933
> 
> http://www.tbh-ge.ch/carmen
> 
> Hotelcarmen.gasser@bluewin.ch
> 
> 68 CHF
> 
> 
> Hotel Central
> 
> 2, rue de la Rotissiere
> 
> 1204 Geneva
> 
> +41228188100
> 
> +41228188101
> 
> http://www.hotelcentral.ch <http://www.hotelcentral.ch/> 
> 
> info@hotelcentral.ch
> 
> D?s 80 CHF
> 
> 
> Auberge Communale de Carouge
> 
> 39, rue Ancienne
> 
> 1227 Carouge
> 
> +41223422288
> 
> +413422205
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Motel de Corsier
> 
> 270, rue de Thonton
> 
> 1246 Corsier
> 
> +41227511555
> 
> f. +41227513042
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Hotel Etoile
> 
> 17, rue des Vieux-Genadiers
> 
> 1205 Geneva
> 
> +41223287208
> 
> f. +41223211624
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Hotel de Gen?ve
> 
> 1, place Isaac-Mercier
> 
> 1201 Geneva
> 
> +41227323264
> 
> f. +41227328264
> 
> http://www.hotel-rio-geneve.ch <http://www.hotel-rio-geneve.ch/> 
> 
> hotelrio@vtx.ch
> 
> 65-100 CHF
> 
> 
> Hotel Les Hauts-de-Rive 
> 
> 48, Bld des Tranch?es
> 
> 1206 Geneva
> 
> +41223462933/4
> 
> f. +41223462211
> 
> http://www.hotel-rio-geneve.ch <http://www.hotel-rio-geneve.ch/> 
> 
> hotelrio@vtx.ch
> 
> From 98 CHF
> 
> 
> Hotel Pax
> 
> 68, rue du XXXI D?cembre
> 
> 1207 Geneva
> 
> +41227875070
> 
> +41227875080
> 
> http://www.hotel-pax-geneva.ch <http://www.hotel-pax-geneva.ch/> 
> 
> direction@hotel-pax-geneva.ch
> 
> From 60 CHF
> 
> 
> Hotel Lido
> 
> 8, rue de Chantepoulet
> 
> 1201 Geneva
> 
> +41227315530
> 
> +41227316501
> 
> www.hotel-lido.ch <http://www.hotel-lido.ch/> 
> 
> info@hotel-lido.ch
> 
> From 75 CHF
> 
> 
> Hotel Plan-les Ouates
> 
> 135 Route de Saint-Julien
> 
> 1228 Plan les Ouates
> 
> +41227949244
> 
> +41227949475
> 
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From Mueller at syr.edu  Thu Jan 13 19:40:25 2005
From: Mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
Message-ID: <s1e68863.031@gwia201.syr.edu>

>>> ca@rits.org.br 1/13/2005 7:57:39 AM >>>
>Dear Dr Mueller, don't be so pessimistic! You are tending to grade our

>report with an F even before we start writing it! ;)  

Not at all! I simply expressed skepticism about its ability to produce
specific policy recommendations. This does not necessarily mean that it
will be a "bad" or useless report. For example, it could come up with a
decent definition of Internet and Internet governance, and identify
which problems under those definitions are most susceptible to global
treatment and need to be solved with greatest urgency.

>Also, you are not really right in saying there are no pro-FOSS
software 
>"expert/advocate" people there -- there might not be "card-carrying" 
>people from the "free software movement" organizations, but there are

>several who are experienced in the field, are strong advocates in
favor 
>of it, and will press for it whenever appropriate. There is strong 
>pro-FOSS life beyond these organizations.

Yes, you are right. I stand corrected. It is actually what I meant to
say in response to Dr. Greve. There are no  FSF people nominated by the
PCT WG, and I still believe that that absence reflects a weakness in the
CS process. But nevertheless I sense a general support for many of the
attitudes and positions they espouse, if not the doctrinaire aspects of
it. 

The problem, as you probably know, is the tendency of the
"card-carrying" FS movement cadre to act like a rigid ideological
faction, reminiscent of some Maoist group from the antiwar movements of
the 1970s. If they are wondering why they weren't put on the WGIG, that
may be part of the explanation. 

>Finally, like FOSS, "intellectual property" issues are listed among
the 
>topics to be addressed by the WGIG, and, again, there are WG members 
>with good qualifications to carry out this discussion, and, above all,

>interact with their communities to seek advice and consensus.

I totally agree. 

--MM

From wellings at epic.org  Thu Jan 13 19:47:05 2005
From: wellings at epic.org (Frannie Wellings)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Reminder: Public Voice WSIS Teleconference: Friday, Jan 14 at
 10am US Eastern time
Message-ID: <p061104f4be0c7fb31506@[192.168.0.3]>

REMINDER...

PUBLIC VOICE WSIS RELATED TELECONFERENCE

- Date: Friday, January 14th, 2005

- Time: 10am - 11am Eastern Time (3pm - 4pm Universal Time)

- Call in Number: from North America: 1-888-268-1204   OR   from 
outside North America:  1-512-225-3050

- Access code: 65889#

- Proposed Agenda:
	- Working Group on Internet Governance progress
	- Preparation for WSIS Prepcom 2 in February
	- Task Force on Financing
	- Civil Society Bureau
	- Working Methods Working Group

As we approach the next preparatory meeting of the WSIS and kick off 
a new year of hard work, it seems an appropriate time to discuss 
common strategy for '05.  The Public Voice will hold a teleconference 
on Friday, January 14, 2005 at 10am Eastern time to do just that, 
starting with the WGIG and WSIS prepcom. We've had additional 
suggestions to discuss the Task Force on Financing, the Civil Society 
Bureau, and the Working Methods Working Group.

The Public Voice will hold this teleconference to bring together NGOs 
working on or interested in the World Summit on the Information 
Society, Internet Governance and promotion of civil society 
participation.  Anyone from civil society involved in or interested 
in these issues is invited to participate.  Meetings take place 
monthly.

Please reply to let me know that you'll be joining the call.  And 
feel free to send any other issues you'd like to add to the agenda 
for discussion.

Public Voice WSIS Meeting Page:
	http://www.thepublicvoice.org/events/pvwsismeetings/


Best to all and Happy 2005!!

Frannie



Date of Following Teleconference:
February 11, 2005


-------------------------------

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From echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar  Thu Jan 13 20:41:11 2005
From: echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar (Enrique A. Chaparro)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <s1e68863.031@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s1e68863.031@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <20050113204111.5533e242.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:40:25 -0500
"Milton Mueller" <Mueller@syr.edu> wrote:


MM> The problem, as you probably know, is the tendency of the
MM> "card-carrying" FS movement cadre to act like a rigid ideological
MM> faction, reminiscent of some Maoist group from the antiwar movements
MM> of the 1970s. If they are wondering why they weren't put on the WGIG,
MM> that may be part of the explanation. 

I find your statement as insulting as I had written, regarding your
position about "collaborative" software, that your attitude is
reminiscent of a proprietary software marketroid. Maybe you should
moderate your tone and offer apologies.

Enrique

-- 
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From beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar  Fri Jan 14 01:06:18 2005
From: beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar (Beatriz Busaniche)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <s1e68863.031@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s1e68863.031@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <1105664778.4306.3.camel@localhost>

El jue, 13-01-2005 a las 14:40 -0500, Milton Mueller escribi?:


> 
> The problem, as you probably know, is the tendency of the
> "card-carrying" FS movement cadre to act like a rigid ideological
> faction, reminiscent of some Maoist group from the antiwar movements of
> the 1970s. If they are wondering why they weren't put on the WGIG, that
> may be part of the explanation. 

Likening free software advocates with maoist groups is not constructive,
and can be even construed as disqualifying towards the person uttering
the comment. It's tantamount to saying "I can't offer a good
counter-argument to what this person is saying, so I'll try to discredit
the person itself, by likening her to someone odious". If you have
concrete criticism towards our ideas, we'd certainly love to discuss it
and learn from it.

 If you don't, It's unfair to criticize us for saying what we think is
true.

I think an apology is in order. And if this is indeed the reason why no
free software advocates are present at the WGIG,  this is a new and very
important reason why the whole process ought to be revised, because it
was based on prejudice instead of merit.

Regards
Bea




From vb at bertola.eu.org  Fri Jan 14 08:17:23 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <20050113204111.5533e242.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>
References: <s1e68863.031@gwia201.syr.edu> <20050113204111.5533e242.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>
Message-ID: <41E78013.1060604@bertola.eu.org>

Enrique A. Chaparro ha scritto:
> MM> The problem, as you probably know, is the tendency of the
> MM> "card-carrying" FS movement cadre to act like a rigid ideological
> MM> faction, reminiscent of some Maoist group from the antiwar movements
> MM> of the 1970s. If they are wondering why they weren't put on the WGIG,
> MM> that may be part of the explanation. 
> 
> I find your statement as insulting as I had written, regarding your
> position about "collaborative" software, that your attitude is
> reminiscent of a proprietary software marketroid. Maybe you should
> moderate your tone and offer apologies.

While I think that everyone should moderate the tone, and while I'd 
possibly not have used those terms, and while I'm not sure which term 
exactly you found insulting... I must confess that my perception is 
similar to Milton's. It seems that PCT caucus members consider the free 
software concept as if it was (C) FSF/FSFE, and no one else was allowed to 
use it, promote it, modify it or even discuss it without their authorization.

So I think that this discussion could be much more productive for civil 
society in its entirety and for the cause of a better intellectual rights 
system, if you took the chance to think at why you cannot build consensus 
around your ideas and your leaders, even among other civil society groups 
and organizations. If so, how can you think to build consensus among those 
who make decisions?

I'm sure that if we met in peace around a beer, be it free or not, we 
would share 90% of our ideas. So I can't understand why we can't route 
around the remaining 10% and work on our common objectives.
-- 
vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<------
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Vecchio sito, nuovo tobl?g...

From nne75 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 14 10:41:54 2005
From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Accra 2005 : Dates for Civil Society training
In-Reply-To: <1105642890.41e6c58b00094@www.refer.sn>
Message-ID: <20050114104154.14368.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com>

2 important dates: 
 
1.  Friday (vendredi) Jan 28 2005
2.  Tuesday (mardi)  Feb 1 2005
 
For extra info: nne75@yahoo.com 
 
Nnenna

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From: Bruno.Salgues at int-evry.fr (Bruno SALGUES)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Accra 2005 : Dates for Civil Society training
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ok for this two date

bruno

Selon Nnenna <nne75@yahoo.com>:

> 2 important dates:
>
> 1.  Friday (vendredi) Jan 28 2005
> 2.  Tuesday (mardi)  Feb 1 2005
>
> For extra info: nne75@yahoo.com
>
> Nnenna
>
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From beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar  Fri Jan 14 14:32:37 2005
From: beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar (Beatriz Busaniche)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <41E78013.1060604@bertola.eu.org>
References: <s1e68863.031@gwia201.syr.edu>
	 <20050113204111.5533e242.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>
	 <41E78013.1060604@bertola.eu.org>
Message-ID: <1105713157.4554.14.camel@localhost>

El vie, 14-01-2005 a las 09:17 +0100, Vittorio Bertola escribi?:
> It seems that PCT caucus members consider the free 
> software concept as if it was (C) FSF/FSFE, and no one else was allowed to 
> use it, promote it, modify it or even discuss it without their authorization.


I don't think you meant to say that anybody ought to be able to modify
the meaning of a concept, because that would be absurd. Should I be able
to change the meaning of "gender equality" to suit my understanding of
the issue?

Of course anybody can discuss it. But the issue of free software is
complex, and even people who are genuinely interested in it often fail
to understand extremely important aspects of it. That is why we keep
offering advice on the issue, and insist that people with deep knowledge
of the subject be present when policy involving it is being discussed,
lest we end up with a well-meant policy that actually is
counterproductive for free software.





From greve at fsfeurope.org  Sat Jan 15 12:26:02 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:19 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <s1e68863.031@gwia201.syr.edu> (Milton Mueller's message of "Thu,
	13 Jan 2005 14:40:25 -0500")
References: <s1e68863.031@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <m3wtue7uat.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org>

 || On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:40:25 -0500
 || "Milton Mueller" <Mueller@syr.edu> wrote: 

 mm> The problem, as you probably know, is the tendency of the
 mm> "card-carrying" FS movement cadre to act like a rigid ideological
 mm> faction, reminiscent of some Maoist group from the antiwar
 mm> movements of the 1970s. If they are wondering why they weren't
 mm> put on the WGIG, that may be part of the explanation.

Thank you for explaining the reasons why people saw fit to exclude the
people from other working groups, although they essentially seem to be
based upon lack of knowledge of Free Software and its representatives.

Excluding a whole group of people on grounds of prejudice towards some
of its participants seems a questionable policy and not very
convincing to me.

As others have pointed out, it also seems to be outside the general
principle of professional courtesy. 

Regards,
Georg

-- 
Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
Free Software Foundation Europe	                 (http://fsfeurope.org)
GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
Brave GNU World	                           (http://brave-gnu-world.org)
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From greve at fsfeurope.org  Sat Jan 15 12:27:06 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <1105713157.4554.14.camel@localhost> (Beatriz Busaniche's message
	of "Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:32:37 -0300")
References: <s1e68863.031@gwia201.syr.edu>
	<20050113204111.5533e242.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>
	<41E78013.1060604@bertola.eu.org> <1105713157.4554.14.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <m3r7km7u91.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org>

 || On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:32:37 -0300
 || Beatriz Busaniche <beatriz@maxmedia.com.ar> wrote: 

 bb> That is why we keep offering advice on the issue, and insist that
 bb> people with deep knowledge of the subject be present when policy
 bb> involving it is being discussed, lest we end up with a well-meant
 bb> policy that actually is counterproductive for free software.

Thank you for explaining this so well, Bea.

I agree fully.

Regards,
Georg

-- 
Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
Free Software Foundation Europe	                 (http://fsfeurope.org)
GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
Brave GNU World	                           (http://brave-gnu-world.org)
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From mueller at syr.edu  Sun Jan 16 04:53:00 2005
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
Message-ID: <s1e9acf9.027@gwia201.syr.edu>

>>> greve@fsfeurope.org 1/15/2005 7:26:02 AM >>>
>Thank you for explaining the reasons why people saw fit to exclude
the
>people from other working groups, although they essentially seem to
be
>based upon lack of knowledge of Free Software and its
representatives.

Let me clarify. I'm not "explaining" anything. I wasn't part of the
Governance Caucus group that passed recommendations to Kummer, nor was I
present when Kummer and Kofi Annan made their final selections. So I
have no clue as to what their methodology or thinking was regarding the
FS nominees. 

I was simply pointing out to you that doctrinaire and factional
behavior is unlikely to create warm, fuzzy feelings among the people
making the selections. More rationally, concerns about the rigidity of
FS advocates might also raise doubts about their effectiveness on the
WGIG. 

>Excluding a whole group of people on grounds of prejudice towards 
>some of its participants seems a questionable policy [snip]

Yes, but you need to entertain the possibility that it wasn't
prejudice. 

Now the choices have been made, and cannot be changed. So what do you
propose to do going forward? One alternative is to keep complaining
about your "exclusion." Unlikely to accomplish much, I would suggest.
Another alternative is to drop out. A third is to continue
participating, and try to act in an informative, constructive and
persuasive manner regarding the relevant issues. You do not have to be
on the WGIG to affect its report, I would suggest (and hope).

--MM


From cnd at knowprose.com  Sun Jan 16 07:00:18 2005
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <1105713157.4554.14.camel@localhost>
References: <s1e68863.031@gwia201.syr.edu>	 <20050113204111.5533e242.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>	 <41E78013.1060604@bertola.eu.org> <1105713157.4554.14.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <41EA1102.9050602@knowprose.com>

Quite an interesting thread. Been busy with some stuff in the real world
and in cyberspace, but this is a conversation that cannot slip by.

Beatriz Busaniche wrote:

>El vie, 14-01-2005 a las 09:17 +0100, Vittorio Bertola escribi?:
>  
>
>>It seems that PCT caucus members consider the free 
>>software concept as if it was (C) FSF/FSFE, and no one else was allowed to 
>>use it, promote it, modify it or even discuss it without their authorization.
>>    
>>
>
>
>I don't think you meant to say that anybody ought to be able to modify
>the meaning of a concept, because that would be absurd. Should I be able
>to change the meaning of "gender equality" to suit my understanding of
>the issue?
>  
>
'Gender equality' is actually an issue in and of itself which does have
fluctuating meanings in different cultures as well as in different
geopolitical arenas. Free Software isn't something that should be
compared to this if we do not wish to inherit the inconsistent meanings
across cultures.

This is an issue. This is an issue that those within Free Software,
perhaps, should pay more attention to.

>Of course anybody can discuss it. But the issue of free software is
>complex, and even people who are genuinely interested in it often fail
>to understand extremely important aspects of it. 
>
I disagree on one part of this. Free Software itself is not complex.
Free Software itself is quite simple. It's the present regime of
non-traditional software (proprietary) that is complex, and is growing
increasingly complex due to the nature of the legalities associated with
it. The standardization of these legalities through political and
corporate weight is really what is complex.

The important aspects of Free Software in the role of Civil Society are
not the same aspects that affect the greater WSIS; much of this would be
less of a problem if more industry leaders participated in the
advocation of Free Software.

The larger issue here is not really so much of a Free Software issue as
it is a Civil Society issue. Civil Society itself has not had a major
role in the WGIG, or has not found a way to play one. Free Software is,
because of low or no participation from industry and government, been
relegated to a Civil Society issue.

The WGIG selection, definition and so on - it's all been rather odd.
Groups were asked for nominations when there was no solid understanding
of what the WGIG is supposed to do, and the nominees themselves had
little or no impact on the WGIG's definition. This adversely affected
Civil Society, and therefore - because Free Software is not being
advocated by groups outside of Civil Society as much - has adversely
affected the message of Civil Society.

Lobbying government and industry with the right tone would probably help
matters here. The wrong tone - and I've read it, heard it and felt the
repercussions - turns people away. Free Software itself is very simple,
and requires little explanation on it's own.

Now, have someone explain the legalities of proprietary software... they
drag you down to the function level and beat you with process.

-- 
Taran Rampersad

cnd@knowprose.com

http://www.linuxgazette.com
http://www.a42.com
http://www.worldchanging.com
http://www.knowprose.com
http://www.easylum.net

"Criticize by creating." ? Michelangelo



From vb at bertola.eu.org  Sun Jan 16 10:36:00 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <1105713157.4554.14.camel@localhost>
References: <s1e68863.031@gwia201.syr.edu>	 <20050113204111.5533e242.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>	 <41E78013.1060604@bertola.eu.org> <1105713157.4554.14.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <41EA4390.3000400@bertola.eu.org>

Beatriz Busaniche ha scritto:
 > El vie, 14-01-2005 a las 09:17 +0100, Vittorio Bertola escribi?:
>>It seems that PCT caucus members consider the free 
>>software concept as if it was (C) FSF/FSFE, and no one else was allowed to 
>>use it, promote it, modify it or even discuss it without their authorization.
> 
> I don't think you meant to say that anybody ought to be able to modify
> the meaning of a concept, because that would be absurd. 

Uhm... I really don't understand. I used the term "modify" to refer to the 
liberties promoted by the free software concept itself. Are you saying 
that those liberties should apply to software, but not to ideas?

Since the beginning of mankind, our knowledge and our ideas have been 
developing by taking the older ones and modifying them - this is the basic 
procedure for human evolution and, indeed, is what the current 
intellectual rights regime is putting at risk.

The meaning of concepts such as "freedom" does depend enormously on the 
society to which they are applied, and evolves significantly with time. 
Even now, we have plenty of different modifications of the 
"free-as-in-free-speech" concept applied to intellectual objects, and 
indeed the FSF one is different from Larry Lessig's one (on the Creative 
Commons website, they say to have been "taking inspiration in part from 
the Free Software Foundation's GNU General Public License (GNU GPL)", 
which is exactly what I mean by "modify") or from D.J.Bernstein's one.

Again, it seems to me that what you are saying is that 5'000 years of 
human evolution have ultimately lead to the concept of "free software" as 
defined by the FSF, and now it's so perfect that it can't be made better 
any more - and no one should dare changing it or building something else 
on top of it. Or, that "if it's not branded FSF, it's not free software".

Excuse me for this long reaction, but historically this is what has been 
overly disturbing me in every discussion I've had with the "blue-ribbon" 
free software people, because I think that this is what might make the 
free software idea ultimately fail or be enclosed into a small preserve. 
I'd be glad to hear from you that things are different.
-- 
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From muguet at mdpi.org  Sun Jan 16 12:49:59 2005
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] =?windows-1252?Q?UNESCO_Free_Expression_in_Cyberspace_?=
 =?windows-1252?Q?_/__Libre_d=92expression_dans_le_cyberesp?=
 =?windows-1252?Q?ace?=
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English / Fran?ais

*UNESCO to Hold Conference on Free Expression in Cyberspace*
13-01-2005 (UNESCO)UNESCO is hosting an international conference in 
Paris next month on "Freedom of Expression in Cyberspace," which will 
provide a forum for discussing whether universal free expression 
standards should be applied to the Internet and how free expression can 
be protected while respecting individual privacy, national laws and 
cultural differences. Scheduled to take place from 3 to 4 February 2005 
at UNESCO's headquarters, the conference is one of UNESCO's thematic 
meetings contributing to the preparation of the second phase of the 
World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS). It will gather prominent 
figures from the international sphere, civil society groups, scholars in 
the field, journalists and other media professionals, and government 
officials from all regions of the world who deal with Internet-related 
issues.

Panel sessions will follow a keynote speech, followed by interventions 
from panellists and a general debate open to participants. 
Interpretation in English and French will be provided during the meeting.



http://portal.unesco.org/ci/en/ev.php-URL_ID=17936&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html
http://portal.unesco.org/ci/en/ev.php-URL_ID=17687&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html


*L?UNESCO accueillera prochainement une conf?rence sur la libre 
d?expression dans le cyberespace*
13-01-2005 (UNESCO)Le mois prochain, l?UNESCO accueillera ? Paris une 
conf?rence internationale sur ?La libert? d?expression dans le 
cyberespace". Cette conf?rence offre un forum de discussions concernant 
l?application de normes universelles sur la libre expression ? 
l?Internet ainsi que les moyens de prot?ger la libre expression tout en 
respectant la vie priv?e de chaque individu, les l?gislations nationales 
et les diff?rences culturelles. La conf?rence, qui se tiendra les 3 et 4 
f?vrier 2005 au Si?ge de l?UNESCO, repr?sente l?une des r?unions 
th?matiques de l?UNESCO dans le cadre de la pr?paration de la seconde 
phase du Sommet Mondial sur la Soci?t? de l?Information (SMSI). Elle 
r?unira des personnes ?minentes de la sph?re internationale, des groupes 
de la soci?t? civile, des intellectuels du hors si?ge, des journalistes 
et d?autres professionnels des m?dias, ainsi que des hauts 
fonctionnaires de toutes les r?gions du monde ayant trait aux questions 
relatives ? l?Internet.

La r?union d?butera par un discours liminaire, suivi des diverses 
sessions, des interventions de pan?listes et d?un d?bat g?n?rique ouvert 
aux participants. Une interpr?tation en anglais et en fran?ais sera 
fournie durant toute la r?union.

http://portal.unesco.org/ci/fr/ev.php-URL_ID=17936&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html







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From beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar  Sun Jan 16 14:39:45 2005
From: beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar (Beatriz Busaniche)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
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El dom, 16-01-2005 a las 11:36 +0100, Vittorio Bertola escribi?:

> Uhm... I really don't understand. I used the term "modify" to refer to the 
> liberties promoted by the free software concept itself. Are you saying 
> that those liberties should apply to software, but not to ideas?


Sorry if I was not clear enough. Of course you and everybody are welcome
to take the ideas behind Free Software and improve on them. 
If you can convince us that your changes are indeed an improvement, you
can rest assured that they will become part of free software's ideary.
If you don't, of course, you can try to push your ideas on your own...
just please don't pretend that they are the ideas behind free software.

This has been done before: you mentioned CC, which is an attempt to
extrapolate free software ideas outside the field of software. We are
watching this development with great interest, and Larry Lessig is a
valuable recent addition to the FSF's board, but since CC does not apply
to software, we would not like it at all if purely-CC people went
around saying they represent free software. Another occasion in which
this happened was when some people felt that "freedom" was  too
uncomfortable a word, and decided to take it away from free software's
discourse. These people call themselves "open source advocates", and
they are welcome to elaborate on free software ideas, but both them and
we are very careful to keep the labels apart from each other.
Some other people are taking free software ideas and expanding them
towards the need for the complete and indiscriminated abolition of
copyright and patents... it's their call, as long as they don't pretend
it's the free software movement that wants that.

Same for you: I have no doubt that you can significantly improve on the
work done by the FSF over the last twenty years of intense and deep
technical and philosophical work, so please go ahead. Just don't go
around telling people that your ideas are those of the free software
movement before checking with us first, thank you.



From beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar  Sun Jan 16 14:43:38 2005
From: beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar (Beatriz Busaniche)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
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El dom, 16-01-2005 a las 02:00 -0500, Taran Rampersad escribi?:

> 'Gender equality' is actually an issue in and of itself which does have
> fluctuating meanings in different cultures as well as in different
> geopolitical arenas. 

This doesn't invalidate the point. Rather, it reinforces it: 'gender
equality' has an easy ring to it, and is an issue many people might feel
they understand, yet it is complex enough that people who haven't
studied the field in depth can do serious damage with the best of
intentions if they try to impose their views on the issue upon the
label.

> I disagree on one part of this. Free Software itself is not complex.
> Free Software itself is quite simple. It's the present regime of
> non-traditional software (proprietary) that is complex, and is growing
> increasingly complex due to the nature of the legalities associated with
> it. The standardization of these legalities through political and
> corporate weight is really what is complex.

I guess it's my turn to disagree on one part. While it is true that it's
the proprietary world and the increasingly complex legal framework
behind it that is next to impossible to understand, this complexity has
the unfortunate effect of spoiling free software's simplicity. The truth
is, to understand and explain free software (which ought to be simple)
you also have to understand and explain proprietary because, due to
overexposure to WIPOspeak, people tend to have a huge blind spot in that
area.

I wish your appreciation that "free software is simple" were
unqualifiedly true. If it were so, we wouldn't see so many people, even
people who ought to be knowledgeable about it, misunderstand key
concepts of free software. Unfortunately, evidence shows that it isn't
as simple as that.




From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Sun Jan 16 15:01:42 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Preparing for PrepCom 2
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Reading the ongoing discussion that is going on, has me thinking if 
the same energy and great effort being expended could not also be 
used for another very important issue - that of starting to prepare, 
organizing and discussing the coming PrepCom 2...


It is my view that in addition to an ongoing debate and/or discussion 
we need, we must also start focusing our attention on the coming 
prepcom...

Here's my list of suggested list of items that I think we should 
start planning for:


* A debriefing session for the different working groups and caucuses 
- Where each group could update each other on activities we've been 
involved in and the try to agree on objectives to achieve for Week 1 
& 2 of the prepcom

* Press Briefings -
This was done very effectively at really only PrepCom 1 of the first 
phase. It would be good to organize a daily public press briefing


* Meeting with the governments
As in the past, I think it would be quite effective to try to arrange 
one or more meetings with the regional blocks such as the EU, Africa, 
GRULAG etc.  For this it would be good to start planning already.

* Building an online resource for the CS delegates .
Given enough time - something we have now -  an online resource of 
some kind could be setup so that not only do we know how to get in 
touch with each other, but also what our common positions and 
objectives are for the meeting.

* Communications
One of the issues that came up in this month's public voice 
teleconference is that we need to better share news and updates that 
are going on.

I for one have started a blog to keep this caucus and others informed 
on my wsis activities. If you have a blog, or know others who do - 
please let me know so that I can feed them into the WSIS news section 
on my site.

http://www.privaterra.org/activities/wsis/blog/

I hope that by starting to plan now we can be more strategic and 
effective at the coming prepcom.

I am keen to hear everyone's comments.


regards

Robert

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From beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar  Sun Jan 16 15:07:24 2005
From: beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar (Beatriz Busaniche)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Subscribing to Plenary
In-Reply-To: <1105886618.4493.29.camel@localhost>
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Just a question: how is the process to be added to the mailing list? I
know many people, from acredited civil society organizations, that are
trying to be part of this list and they do not receive any answer.  How
is this working? who's in charge of this?

thank you all!

Beatriz



From beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar  Sun Jan 16 15:24:03 2005
From: beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar (Beatriz Busaniche)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
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El s?b, 15-01-2005 a las 23:53 -0500, Milton Mueller escribi?:

> 
> I was simply pointing out to you that doctrinaire and factional
> behavior is unlikely to create warm, fuzzy feelings among the people
> making the selections. More rationally, concerns about the rigidity of
> FS advocates might also raise doubts about their effectiveness on the
> WGIG. 

As far as apologies go, this must be the weakest one I ever saw.

Actually, I continue to resent your use of adjectives like "doctrinary"
and "factional", and "rigidity" sounds like a bad choice of word, maybe
you meant "consistency" or "coherence".

I would like to point out that people who insist on an idea you do not
agree with are not necessarily "doctrinary" o "factional". They just
disagree with you, there's no need to try to disqualify them personally.


> Now the choices have been made, and cannot be changed. So what do you
> propose to do going forward? [...] You do not have to be
> on the WGIG to affect its report, I would suggest (and hope).

This does happen quite a lot in WSIS, doesn't it?

Georg has very thoroughly documented that PCT issues were not going to
be discussed in WGIG, which is why we thought it was acceptable if no
PCT representative was present at the table.

*After* the WGIG was nominated, PCT issues were brought back to the
agenda, and now we're supposed to just accept it like that, and
contribute papers which the WGIG members have no obligation to observe,
answer or even read, and the best we have is the suggestion and hope of
someone who keeps dismissing us as some kind of extremist fringe group.

I feel a lot more confident already.




From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Sun Jan 16 16:16:40 2005
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Subscribing to Plenary
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Karen and I are list moderators.

Subscription information should be in every mail header, e.g.

From: Beatriz Busaniche <beatriz@maxmedia.com.ar>
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Thanks,

Adam



>Just a question: how is the process to be added to the mailing list? I
>know many people, from acredited civil society organizations, that are
>trying to be part of this list and they do not receive any answer.  How
>is this working? who's in charge of this?
>
>thank you all!
>
>Beatriz
>
>
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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Sun Jan 16 16:51:52 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Subscribing to Plenary
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Beatriz:

Hi!

I am a bit puzzled - perhaps you can help me out. You have recently 
stated very publicly in several spaces that you are  no longer 
interested in being involved in WSIS. Have you changed your mind and 
are now involved again ?  Do let us know...


In regards to your question about the   - Details about this list and 
other CS lists can be found on the WSIS CS Civil Society meeting 
point page - http://www.wsis-cs.org

The URL for details on and about the plenary list can be found at:
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From avri at acm.org  Sun Jan 16 17:15:10 2005
From: avri at acm.org (avri@acm.org)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
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On 16 jan 2005, at 09.39, Beatriz Busaniche wrote:

> Just don't go
> around telling people that your ideas are those of the free software
> movement before checking with us first, thank you.

Am I to understand that the Free Software Foundation is the free 
software movement and that there is no free software movement outside 
of the FSF?

If not, then it seems that people can be part of the free software 
movement without belonging to FSF or to the FOSS caucus. And it seems 
that they can have ideas on free software and the movement that have 
not been vetted with you.

For my part, having no desire to comment on the morality of either the 
FSF or of Maoists, I consider myself a fellow traveller of the free 
software movement.  I support the sentiments and many of the overall 
goals,  but not necessarily all the positions taken.  And while I will 
never identify myself as a representative of the movement, i am 
generally sympathetic to its positions.  I would personally find it 
helpful to see short position papers contributed to the WGIG process on 
some of the specific issues, outlined in
      http://www.wgig.org/docs/inventory-issues.html
that discuss the specific FSF/FOSS concerns and viewpoints.  I am 
especially interested in the position on Technical Standards.

As part of full disclosure and in the attempt to address an actual 
issue, I am an IETF participant who, recently, has come to accept the 
IETF's policy and practice (defined in RFCs 3905, 3667-3669). Though I 
would prefer for us to select only encumbrance free technologies. I 
accept this policy because the realities of engineering practice seem 
to make it necessary and because full determination of degree of 
encumbrance is very difficult in practice.  As an IETF WG chair or 
editor, I would always work to find a technology that was encumbrance 
free. But I would not raise rough consensus breaking objections if the 
installed base was already using a technology that was either available 
under a GNU type license or under any of the  less onerous conditions, 
e.g.:

- No License Required for Implementers
- Royalty-Free, Reasonable, and Non-Discriminatory License to All 
Implementers

or even on occasion

- Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory License to All Implementers with 
Possible Royalty/Fee.

On the other hand, as a researcher developing technology for network 
challenged areas on the other side of the digital divide, i will use no 
technology that is encumbered by anything more the a GNU type license.

What I have not been able to understand is how a commitment to never 
using encumbered technology can work in the complex international 
Internet, which is constrained by a multitude of conflicting claims and 
legacy technology.  My primary concern is that on occasion this would 
leave us without useable, or deployed, standards in areas where such 
standards are necessary.

thanks
a.


From beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar  Sun Jan 16 17:11:42 2005
From: beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar (Beatriz Busaniche)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Subscribing to Plenary
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El dom, 16-01-2005 a las 11:51 -0500, Robert Guerra escribi?:
>  You have recently 
> stated very publicly in several spaces 

Well, i left lac caucus mailing list and the bureau. but: should i keep
in silence, just because i am not a bureau member anymore?  

>  Have you changed your mind and 
> are now involved again ?  Do let us know...

Good to know that you are so interested in my opinions. 

Well, as you know, i left lac caucus, after being extremly tired by the
way some people of the caucus handled the discussions and finaly went
out to work behind closed doors, and between just invited friends. 

I left Lac Caucus just to be sure that nobody calling him/herself "lac
caucus delegate" could represent me. (Nobody here that speaks on behalf
of latin american region, or lac caucus, will speak on my name: they do
not represent me!) that's why i officialy left the caucus.

but as you maybe know, i am still in PCT working group, where
transparency and democracy still works! 

thank you for your interest on my opinions and activities. I am just one
more person extremly dissapointed with the whole process, but still
trying to have a voice... 

Abrazos




From vb at bertola.eu.org  Sun Jan 16 17:38:16 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
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Beatriz Busaniche ha scritto:
> Same for you: I have no doubt that you can significantly improve on the
> work done by the FSF over the last twenty years of intense and deep
> technical and philosophical work, so please go ahead. Just don't go
> around telling people that your ideas are those of the free software
> movement before checking with us first, thank you.

I'll do - actually, I'm trying to involve your "connectors" privately in 
the WGIG drafting work.

For the rest, I (sadly) think that our discussion is not going anywhere... 
I'll just add that I still don't understand who ever decided that the PCT 
caucus and/or the FSF are the sole legitimate representatives of the free 
software movement, or that matters such as intellectual rights are the 
sole domain of the PCT caucus or of the free software movement, so that 
other caucuses or civil society members cannot legitimately talk about them.

Still, as I wrote earlier in a reply to Georg, I think that it would be 
extremely stupid for all civil society if we could not reach sufficient 
reciprocal understanding so to push together the many proposals on which 
we may agree, rather than stressing again and again the few things on 
which we disagree. IMHO, the most stupid thing any of us could do is 
challenge in public the legitimacy of any civil society proposal at WSIS 
or at WGIG, as long as most of it can be shared by everyone - which is 
what we should aim to.
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From cnd at knowprose.com  Sun Jan 16 18:49:53 2005
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
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Beatriz Busaniche wrote:

>El dom, 16-01-2005 a las 02:00 -0500, Taran Rampersad escribi?:
>
>  
>
>>'Gender equality' is actually an issue in and of itself which does have
>>fluctuating meanings in different cultures as well as in different
>>geopolitical arenas. 
>>    
>>
>
>This doesn't invalidate the point. Rather, it reinforces it: 'gender
>equality' has an easy ring to it, and is an issue many people might feel
>they understand, yet it is complex enough that people who haven't
>studied the field in depth can do serious damage with the best of
>intentions if they try to impose their views on the issue upon the
>label.
>  
>
For my part, I think that bringing gender equality into it, *especially*
in the WSIS context, is not only irrelevant but misleading. 'Gender
equality' is a completely separate issue - and comes with it's own
challenges. For example, someone from the UN 'Global South' who is
female has more voice than someone from the Global South who is male.
That's not equality. That's a method to try to deal with imbalance
which, inadvertently, creates imbalance. That's another conversation, of
course, and that's my point. It is *another* conversation.

Free Software has the capacity to empower people. So does gender
equality. However, Free Software isn't about human biological and human
psychological differences and dealing with those differences. With Free
Software, there are no differences, and bringing up gender equality in
the context of Free Software and the WSIS has the capacity to divide
where there would otherwise be no division. Are Free Software advocates
people to be equated to the Global South and female? Or are they Global
North and male? Does it really matter (No!). One could be a purple
hermaphrodite from Antarctica and still advocate Free Software. On a
sidenote, I wonder how the UN would classify that. :-)

Free Software is, at the core, a philosophy and a philosophy which has
been practiced in areas other than software by both patriarchal and
matriarchal societies. The concept of a commons is not a new one.

>>I disagree on one part of this. Free Software itself is not complex.
>>Free Software itself is quite simple. It's the present regime of
>>non-traditional software (proprietary) that is complex, and is growing
>>increasingly complex due to the nature of the legalities associated with
>>it. The standardization of these legalities through political and
>>corporate weight is really what is complex.
>>    
>>
>
>I guess it's my turn to disagree on one part. While it is true that it's
>the proprietary world and the increasingly complex legal framework
>behind it that is next to impossible to understand, this complexity has
>the unfortunate effect of spoiling free software's simplicity. The truth
>is, to understand and explain free software (which ought to be simple)
>you also have to understand and explain proprietary because, due to
>overexposure to WIPOspeak, people tend to have a huge blind spot in that
>area.
>
>I wish your appreciation that "free software is simple" were
>unqualifiedly true. If it were so, we wouldn't see so many people, even
>people who ought to be knowledgeable about it, misunderstand key
>concepts of free software. Unfortunately, evidence shows that it isn't
>as simple as that.
>  
>
Free Software itself is simple. The legal framework that presently
exists is not that of Free Software, though through some nice recursion
the present system is forced to support it. There is a difference.
Confusing these issues at an advocate level confuses people who are
being advocated to.

Explain the concepts of Free Software to someone who doesn't understand
the legal framework presently in existence, and you can do so without
bringing the legal framework into it. There are times in the context of
the WSIS that the legal framework must be addressed - yet people must
always remember that Free Software is trying to deal with the flaws in
the legal framework, and is not a part of a problem.

Free Software is *simple*. By trying to explain Free Software in the
context of a framework which does not fit Free Software, one makes it
complex.

Proprietary software is complex, complicated legal gates of who owns the
right to do what and for how long, on how many computers and with no
ability to support it. Proprietary software wants to patent what could
be perceived as trade secrets to add to this complication; they do not
need patents to protect their work if they are not sharing the source
code and by actually making the patent available they create a mess for
proprietary software development instead of assisting proprietary
software developers - for lack of eating, they become cannibalistic and
eat themselves. Proprietary software does not teach people how to solve
their own problems; it's basis is that a few select people in the world
know how to solve everyone else's problems (now THAT is communist!).

Free Software is NOT about any of those things. Free Software is about
making sense of a horrid mistake that has been compounded by case after
case... and it extends to other areas as well. There IS a bigger
picture, and confusing the issues associated only with software has some
rather interesting results: http://www.knowprose.com/node/1218 -- then
there's the Enola Bean, etc. The underlying concepts of Free Software
make sense at an intuitive and common sense level. That is what Free
Software should be appealing to.

Proprietary software advocates have constantly been the ones 'picking
the ground' upon which 'battles' are fought. Most of the progress that
has been had by Free Software has been not by fighting such battles, but
rather by simply making *sense*. The average farmer who never owned a
computer can understand what Free Software is. But that farmer - male or
female - will certainly be confused by the legal issues related to
proprietary software because it simply does not make *sense*. It's
irrational. It's non-intuitive.

Free Software is both rational and intuitive. More developers, less
lawyers.

Taran Rampersad

cnd@knowprose.com

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From greve at fsfeurope.org  Sun Jan 16 16:51:45 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: Digression (was: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG)
In-Reply-To: <41EA4390.3000400@bertola.eu.org> (Vittorio Bertola's message of
	"Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:36:00 +0100")
References: <s1e68863.031@gwia201.syr.edu>
	<20050113204111.5533e242.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>
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Dear Vittorio,

the thread about the FSF seems a digression on the discussion, as the
FSFs have neither claimed representativity for all of Free Software,
nor were the people selected by the PCT Working Group predominantly
From the FSFs.

Of course I very much appreciate your willingness to hear and learn
more about the Free Software Foundations, but think we better make
sure to not confuse issues, for which reason I modified the subject.


 || On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:36:00 +0100
 || Vittorio Bertola <vb@bertola.eu.org> wrote: 

 vb> Even now, we have plenty of different modifications of the
 vb> "free-as-in-free-speech" concept applied to intellectual objects,
 vb> and indeed the FSF one is different from Larry Lessig's one (on
 vb> the Creative Commons website, they say to have been "taking
 vb> inspiration in part from the Free Software Foundation's GNU
 vb> General Public License (GNU GPL)", which is exactly what I mean
 vb> by "modify") or from D.J.Bernstein's one.

You seem to be falling into the common trap of applying the ideas of
Free Software mechanically to everything, essentially inversely
repeating the mistake of "intellectual property."


Yes, the Creative Commons web site is different from the FSF. 

This is logical, because they are very different initiatives.

Lawrence Lessig -- who by the way happens to be on the board of the
Free Software Foundation in the United States -- started Creative
Commons in order to start and allow for a dialog that would one day
lead to the equivalent of Free Software in other fields.

Free Software on the other hand already has more than 20 years of
experience with the freedoms necessary for software. 

And while the Free Software Foundations are the oldest and most
experienced group and competence center in the field, they are in no
way all there is, nor have they made that claim.


 vb> Again, it seems to me that what you are saying is that 5'000
 vb> years of human evolution have ultimately lead to the concept of
 vb> "free software" as defined by the FSF, and now it's so perfect
 vb> that it can't be made better any more - and no one should dare
 vb> changing it or building something else on top of it.

Yes, the FSF is indeed the organisation that first crystallized those
5'000 years of human evolution into releasing a scientifically
hardened definition of Free Software.

Respect for that achievement and its experience as the oldest
organisation in the field of Free Software is the reason why the FSFs
are asked for advice and receive so much attention -- not any claims
to monopolisation of the Free Software idea, as you seem to imply.

Also, as people from the Free Software community and those who are
working with it will be able to tell you, the dialog about freedom in
software is in no way over, it is permanently ongoing and quite
lively.

So be assured that the Free Software community is in fact very much
alife and active intellectually.

Regards,
Georg

-- 
Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
Free Software Foundation Europe	                 (http://fsfeurope.org)
GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
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From greve at fsfeurope.org  Sun Jan 16 16:22:00 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <s1e9acf9.027@gwia201.syr.edu> (Milton Mueller's message of "Sat,
	15 Jan 2005 23:53:00 -0500")
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 || On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:53:00 -0500
 || "Milton Mueller" <mueller@syr.edu> wrote: 

 mm> Let me clarify. I'm not "explaining" anything. I wasn't part of
 mm> the Governance Caucus group that passed recommendations to
 mm> Kummer, nor was I present when Kummer and Kofi Annan made their
 mm> final selections. So I have no clue as to what their methodology
 mm> or thinking was regarding the FS nominees.

As far as I know and from what has been said by others before, Markus
Kummer and Kofi Annan essentially followed the recommendations made by
the Internet Governance Caucus.

So while you are certainly right that they are ultimately responsible
for the selection, they apparently weren't the ones making it.


 >> Excluding a whole group of people on grounds of prejudice towards
 >> some of its participants seems a questionable policy [snip]

 mm> Yes, but you need to entertain the possibility that it wasn't
 mm> prejudice.

The alternative to prejudice would have been deliberate spreading of
obvious falsehoods and derogatory statements with the goal of smearing
and discrediting others.

I was merely giving you the benefit of the doubt.


 mm> Now the choices have been made, and cannot be changed. 

If we don't do anything, nothing will change for sure.

That is why we made very concrete suggestions and requests.

Regards,
Georg

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From cnd at knowprose.com  Mon Jan 17 01:33:19 2005
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Digression
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This is a request for personal clarification which may benefit others.

Georg C. F. Greve wrote:

>Dear Vittorio,
>
>the thread about the FSF seems a digression on the discussion, as the
>FSFs have neither claimed representativity for all of Free Software,
>nor were the people selected by the PCT Working Group predominantly
>From the FSFs.
>
(1) To my knowledge, the people who speak for the Free Software
Movement/GNU are listed here (I had spoken to David Sugar at one point
about becoming a speaker):

English: http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html
Portugese: http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.pt.html
Spanish: http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.es.html

Would it be safe to assume that these same people are the ones who speak
for the Free Software Foundation? Obviously, yourself and RMS are two,
but who else is there?

(2) The FSF is formally listed to be of the United States
(http://www.fsf.org ), Europe (http://www.fsfeurope.org/ ) and India
(http://fsf.org.in/ ) off of the main FSF website.

2 years ago I emailed the FSF about whether there were plans to start a
'chapter' in the Caribbean/Latin American region, and I was informed
that there were no such plans. It was suggested that an organization be
created which allied with the FSF. This I did not do (for many reasons,
but none philosophical) - yet it's quite difficult to say if an allied
organization's views of Free Software are that of the Free Software
Foundation.

Further, the FSF's representation does not cover the part of the world
that I live in, and I have yet to find a Free Software group in the
region I would ally with. I am certain I am not alone in the world with
such a problem, and while the FSF has made much of Free Software
concrete, it certainly has not done it all by itself. The community,
whether as members of the FSF or not, has helped considerably and it's
arguable that the community has done more, whereas the FSF has been a
guide for the Free Software community. The community outside of the FSF
does deserve credit.
---
There are many of us out here who discuss Free Software (or as I now
prefer, Software Libre), but it's quite difficult to an external
observer to figure out who is speaking for the FSF, and who are speaking
for Free Software without the blessing of the FSF. As an example, I
would not label myself a Free Software Advocate (and I'm certain a few
FSF people would not label me such either). But it is important to know
what the FSF's stance on things are, especially in the context of the
WSIS, in regions where the FSF is not established.

Thank you in advance for clarification.

-- 
Taran Rampersad

cnd@knowprose.com

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From mueller at syr.edu  Mon Jan 17 02:35:24 2005
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
Message-ID: <s1eade25.006@gwia201.syr.edu>

>>> avri@acm.org 1/16/2005 12:15:10 PM >>>
>If not, then it seems that people can be part of the free software 
>movement without belonging to FSF or to the FOSS caucus. And it 
>seems that they can have ideas on free software and the movement >that
have not been vetted with you.

Of course that is true! In fact, the reason we got the "free" vs. "open
source" distinction was precisely because around 1996-98 many people
became uncomfortable with the rigidity and ideological nature of the
FSF's leadership and adherents, and wanted to differentiate themselves
from it, while still believing that free software was a good thing. 

In 1996 Linus Torvald shook the FS community by admitting publicly that
he was a fan of Microsoft's Powerpoint software. Torvalds and his
followers had a more pragmatic attitude. As one biographer put it,
Linus's attitude was, "why shun worthy proprietary programs just to make
a point? Being a hacker wasn't about suffering, it was about getting the
job done." (Sam Williams)

Now, there is a legitimate debate to be had about the relative merits
of a principled, political commitment to free software versus a more
pragmatic, utilitarian commitment to it. One could persuasively argue
that without the ideological commitment, we would never have had a free
software movement at all. One could also counter that the scope and
influence of the movement has increased tremendously once it broke out
of the more ideological bounds. 

>For my part, having no desire to comment on the morality of either
> the FSF or of Maoists, I consider myself a fellow traveller of the
free 
>software movement.

Fellow traveller, eh - You see, we can't escape from the communist
metaphor! Your comment, while intended to be humorous, points to the
need for me to clarify my analogy to a Maoist faction. In making that
comparison I was not asserting that FSF adherents are literally Maoists
or communists, nor did I wish to associate them with the massive human
crimes of the "Great Leap Forward" and the "Cultural Revolution." The
comparison has to do with a characteristic political style and a certain
type of behavior in coalitions, wherein the agenda of a large and
diverse coalition is continually distracted and captured by the
well-defined and unshakeable ideology of a small cohesive group, whose
ideas are rigidly and persistently advanced regardless of its acceptance
or effect on the involved community of actors. A better comparison, in
fact, would have been to the Spartacist League, which was technically
Trotskyist rather than Maoist. (If any of you were ever in an antiwar
coalition involving them, you will know what I mean.) In a heterogeneous
civil society forum, where there is no other common ideology, such
factions can have a very bad effect unless one knows how to deal with
them.

The point is that a civil society plenary list has to be based on
discourse, and discourse implies an exchange of ideas, a willingness to
explore and listen to different ideas, not a one-way propagation of a
pre-set ideology and an "us-versus them" attitude. 

--MM



From veni at veni.com  Mon Jan 17 02:45:16 2005
From: veni at veni.com (Veni Markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <s1eade25.006@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s1eade25.006@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050117044339.02a7a340@193.200.15.187>

At 21:35 16-01-05  -0500, Milton Mueller wrote:

>Fellow traveller, eh - You see, we can't escape from the communist
>metaphor!

btw, I am just wondering - are there any other people besides me, who 
actually lived under communism??? I am somewhat worried by the free way you 
use those words. Bill Gates also used it recently, and he didn't use it 
quite wisely...

v. 


From veni at veni.com  Mon Jan 17 02:57:04 2005
From: veni at veni.com (Veni Markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050117044339.02a7a340@193.200.15.187>
References: <s1eade25.006@gwia201.syr.edu>
 <6.2.0.14.2.20050117044339.02a7a340@193.200.15.187>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050117045632.02e0a328@193.200.15.187>

here's the link with the story: http://creativecommons.org/weblog/5223

best,
veni

At 04:45 17-01-05  +0200, Veni Markovski wrote:
>At 21:35 16-01-05  -0500, Milton Mueller wrote:
>
>>Fellow traveller, eh - You see, we can't escape from the communist
>>metaphor!
>
>btw, I am just wondering - are there any other people besides me, who 
>actually lived under communism??? I am somewhat worried by the free way 
>you use those words. Bill Gates also used it recently, and he didn't use 
>it quite wisely...
>
>v.
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>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
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From cnd at knowprose.com  Mon Jan 17 04:12:38 2005
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050117044339.02a7a340@193.200.15.187>
References: <s1eade25.006@gwia201.syr.edu> <6.2.0.14.2.20050117044339.02a7a340@193.200.15.187>
Message-ID: <41EB3B36.1060900@knowprose.com>

Veni Markovski wrote:

> At 21:35 16-01-05 -0500, Milton Mueller wrote:
>
>> Fellow traveller, eh - You see, we can't escape from the communist
>> metaphor!
>
>
> btw, I am just wondering - are there any other people besides me, who
> actually lived under communism??? I am somewhat worried by the free
> way you use those words. Bill Gates also used it recently, and he
> didn't use it quite wisely...
>
> v.

I live in a democratically elected dictatorship.

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From john.fung at hkcss.org.hk  Mon Jan 17 06:51:54 2005
From: john.fung at hkcss.org.hk (John Fung)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050117045632.02e0a328@193.200.15.187>
Message-ID: <000a01c4fc61$08081070$c801a8c0@John2>

Dear Veni,

Hello. 
This is John FUNG from "Hong Kong", if you count China as belonging to
"communism'.

 :) 



John Yat-chu FUNG, PhD, RSW
Director, Information Technology Resource Centre
Direct Line: (852) 2864 2971
Fax: (852) 2865 0823
ITRC Website: itrc.hkcss.org.hk
HKCSS Website: www.hkcss.org.hk 






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Behalf Of Veni Markovski
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:57 AM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org; plenary@wsis-cs.org; avri@acm.org;
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Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG


here's the link with the story: http://creativecommons.org/weblog/5223

best,
veni

At 04:45 17-01-05  +0200, Veni Markovski wrote:
>At 21:35 16-01-05  -0500, Milton Mueller wrote:
>
>>Fellow traveller, eh - You see, we can't escape from the communist 
>>metaphor!
>
>btw, I am just wondering - are there any other people besides me, who
>actually lived under communism??? I am somewhat worried by the free way

>you use those words. Bill Gates also used it recently, and he didn't
use 
>it quite wisely...
>
>v.
>_______________________________________________
>Plenary mailing list
>Plenary@wsis-cs.org 
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary

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From nne75 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 17 11:39:54 2005
From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Digression
In-Reply-To: <41EB15DF.5010007@knowprose.com>
Message-ID: <20050117113955.60766.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com>

You may want to consider African Speakers. 
 
First visit www.fossfa.net 
 
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From greve at fsfeurope.org  Mon Jan 17 11:48:45 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <s1eade25.006@gwia201.syr.edu> (Milton Mueller's message of "Sun,
	16 Jan 2005 21:35:24 -0500")
References: <s1eade25.006@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <m3r7kkjmxu.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>

Dear Milton,

 || On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:35:24 -0500
 || "Milton Mueller" <mueller@syr.edu> wrote: 
 
 mm> [...]

It would have been hard for us to create a better proof for how while
Free Software may be quite a simple concept at heart, most people
still have very little knowledge about it. 

Often, people will also feel so threatened that they seek comfort in
false and denigrating statements about it and the people that work for
it. Trying to confuse short-sightedness with pragmatism and reason
with ideology are very common effects we have encountered in the wake
of these gut-reactions.

A recent interview with Bill Gates displayed this quite eloquently
when he spoke about his "belief" into intellectual property and once
more likened Free Software to communism.

Nothing could have proven and demonstrated more effectively how the
people who work in and for Free Software are discriminated based upon
prejudices against "their kind" than your mails and some things others
have said.

The information is there for those who wish to see it, but I could not
force those who are unwilling to understand, nor do I seek to.

Regards,
Georg

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From greve at fsfeurope.org  Mon Jan 17 12:09:00 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: gender issues (was: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG)
In-Reply-To: <41EAB751.1060503@knowprose.com> (Taran Rampersad's message of
	"Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:49:53 -0500")
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 || On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:49:53 -0500
 || Taran Rampersad <cnd@knowprose.com> wrote: 

 tr> It is *another* conversation.

Yes, exactly. 

That is why it was only briefly mentioned in the discussion as an
example of how these things would look in another conversation and
context. No comparison if issues was made.


 tr> For my part, I think that bringing gender equality into it,
 tr> *especially* in the WSIS context, is not only irrelevant but
 tr> misleading. 'Gender equality' is a completely separate issue -
 tr> and comes with it's own challenges. For example, someone from the
 tr> UN 'Global South' who is female has more voice than someone from
 tr> the Global South who is male.  That's not equality. That's a
 tr> method to try to deal with imbalance which, inadvertently,
 tr> creates imbalance.

It occured to me that it is somewhat ironical how you seem to prove
Beatriz right by contradicting her.

Leaving aside Free Software for a moment and considering the gender
aspect, it is interesting how from the above paragraph it seems to be
the womens fault that there are so few of them to be found in so many
circles that some intervention is needed to come closer to a 50/50
situation. 

Why not blame the men who have filled up the other 80% of the slots?

I do not like any preference and quota rules any more than you do, but
we have to realize that sometimes things won't change unless we try to
actively push in a certain direction.

Answering to your paragraph above: 

Yes, personal injustice can arise as a result of this.

The question is whether that is a price worth to be paid.

I believe it is necessary, while I wish it would not be.

Regards,
Georg

-- 
Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
Free Software Foundation Europe	                 (http://fsfeurope.org)
GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
Brave GNU World	                           (http://brave-gnu-world.org)
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From greve at fsfeurope.org  Mon Jan 17 12:51:33 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Digression
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 || On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:33:19 -0500
 || Taran Rampersad <cnd@knowprose.com> wrote: 

 tr> (1) To my knowledge, the people who speak for the Free Software
 tr> Movement/GNU are listed here (I had spoken to David Sugar at one
 tr> point about becoming a speaker):

 tr> English: http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html
 tr> Portugese: http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.pt.html
 tr> Spanish: http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.es.html

These are speakers for the GNU Project, yes.


 tr> Would it be safe to assume that these same people are the ones
 tr> who speak for the Free Software Foundation?

Not entirely. The GNU Project and the Free Software Foundation are,
while obviously closely related, not identical. 

The FSF originally started as a caretaker for legal and organisational
issues of the GNU Project in 1985 and -- while it still handles this
task -- has also grown beyond that relatively early.

People listed on the pages above can speak for the GNU Project.


 tr> Obviously, yourself and RMS are two, but who else is there?

Although a final answer would have to be given by Richard here, I can
tell you that in the United States there are people like the executive
director Bradley Kuhn, its employees and board members like Prof. Eben
Moglen and Prof. Lawrence Lessig who can to some extent speak for the
Free Software Foundation.

In Europe, the most conclusive list is probably

  http://fsfeurope.org/about/team.en.html

but this is not complete. There are also people who work in our of our
regional and content-based teams who occasionally represent Free
Software Foundation Europe.

Also, FSFE has a couple of lawyers who occasionally speak in its name,
for instance in the European Court case where we are one of the few
remaining parties supporting the European Commission against
Microsoft.


 tr> (2) The FSF is formally listed to be of the United States
 tr> (http://www.fsf.org ), Europe (http://www.fsfeurope.org/ ) and India
 tr> (http://fsf.org.in/ ) off of the main FSF website.

Yes. The process of growing the Free Software Foundation network has
begun in 2001 with the creation of the Free Software Foundation Europe
and is not yet complete.


 tr> 2 years ago I emailed the FSF about whether there were plans to
 tr> start a 'chapter' in the Caribbean/Latin American region, and I
 tr> [...]
 tr> quite difficult to say if an allied organization's views of Free
 tr> Software are that of the Free Software Foundation.

That was true 2 years ago, yes.

Right now, discussions about FSF Latin America are ongoing and first
steps should become visible this year.

Until then, there are organisations like Fundacion Via Libre in
Argentina, which is associate organisation of the Free Software
Foundation Europe and thereby has strong connections.

Creating some Free Software organisation in the Caribbean region would
still seem like a useful endeavour, though.


 tr> Further, the FSF's representation does not cover the part of the
 tr> world that I live in, and I have yet to find a Free Software
 tr> group in the region I would ally with.

Please note that we do not claim representativity for anyone or
anything but ourselves and our work. If you read the self-conception
of Free Software Foundation Europe, that should become clear, I hope:
http://fsfeurope.org/about/self-conception.en.html

We do however work on making sure that your part of the world will
have its Free Software Foundation for you to become active in and
participate, so it will also be able to bring the specific Latin
American perspective into the discussion.


 tr> I am certain I am not alone in the world with such a problem, [...]

No, certainly not.

That is also why we have been working in the past years with people
east of India to foster activities there -- the fact that the Free
Software Initiative Japan (FSIJ) is associate organisation of the Free
Software Foundation Europe is a visible expression of this.

Building a solid network of competent people dedicated to the long
term perspective is not an easy task, however, and the FSFs are
usually operating with a fraction of the resources that other
organisations can spend.

So please be patient. If you feel the work is not happening fast
enough, please feel encouraged to become active yourself or support
the activities.


 tr> and while the FSF has made much of Free Software concrete, it
 tr> certainly has not done it all by itself.

Absolutely not. We never claimed to.

It is however true that the FSF -- and Richard as a person and its
founder -- has been the first organisation to really crystallize the
thoughts on the issue and bring them into a scientific form. It is the
oldest organisation to really deal with "digital freedom" and time is
only now starting to catch up with Richards thinking back then.

Of course, having grown out of the principle that it is not enough to
only advocate digital freedom, you also have to make it possible for
people to gain it, the FSF has initially written much of the GNU
Project, which is the fundament of GNU/Linux.

Anyone on this list has been getting the benefit of that work since
this list is indeed run on GNU Mailman. Also, many of the internets
servers are running the software that Richard and others wrote in the
early days.


These days, there are many people writing Free Software -- including
many companies -- and the FSFs could not make much difference with
software development.

Which is why we have now focussed on the issues that noone else is
truly dealing with, in particular keeping the very long-term
perspective of Free Software in mind and studying the interactions and
scientific impact of Free Software on different areas.

FSFE for instance -- among other things -- has a pretty strong
knowledge base on commercial Free Software project management and also
on issues of legal maintainability or Free Software impact on
corporate philosophy.


 tr> The community, whether as members of the FSF or not, has helped
 tr> considerably and it's arguable that the community has done more,

In pure quantity of code, there has certainly been more code written
outside the FSF than inside -- although many of the developers outside
the FSF have later made the FSF the fiduciary of their work.


 tr> The community outside of the FSF does deserve credit.

Absolutely. 

The FSFs don't want to do all tasks and can't do all tasks. But they
are respected and trusted for the work they have done and are doing,
which does form a critical part of the "Free Software Universe."


 tr> Thank you in advance for clarification.

I hope this helped you -- and maybe others -- clarifying matters a
bit. Thanks for asking in a constructive way.

Regards,
Georg

-- 
Georg C. F. Greve                                 <greve@fsfeurope.org>
Free Software Foundation Europe	                 (http://fsfeurope.org)
GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
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From karenb at gn.apc.org  Mon Jan 17 15:36:02 2005
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Subscribing to Plenary
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dear beatrice and all,

Just to confirm Adam's message that he and i are co-list owners, which 
largely means we delete all of the spam and process subscription requests.

The subscription request is not the standard mailman form, but requires the 
subscriber to include their name, email address, organisation (if relevent) 
and caucuses they are active or interested in. This procedure was agreed by 
the group who established the criteria for the CIvil Society Plenary and 
COntent and themes groups back during PrepCom II of phase I (From the final 
Civil Society Plenary Meeting, PrepCom 2, 28.2.2003).

The form sends a message to my email address and i approve the sub (i have 
never not approved one).

The reason for the delays (and it is true there have been delays) is that 
the email notifications had been automatically filtered into a folder after 
i made some mail reader changes, and i'm afraid i missed them for a couple 
of weeks. I am sorry about that for those of you who tried to subscribe and 
received no response.

As far as i can tell, it affected the following email addresses which have 
all now been subscribed. If you know of others beatrice, please let me know.

regards
karen

fheinz@vialibre.org.ar
sean@nexus.ie
soenke.zehle@web.de



From cnd at knowprose.com  Mon Jan 17 16:49:37 2005
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: gender issues
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The thin ice appears. Very well. If it were a matter of affixing blame,
we wouldn't be having this discussion because that is simply not the way
I do things. I was making a point, and I have made it. I don't know why
we're here, but I won't run from the discussion.

Georg C. F. Greve wrote:

> || On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:49:53 -0500
> || Taran Rampersad <cnd@knowprose.com> wrote: 
>
> tr> It is *another* conversation.
>
>Yes, exactly. 
>
>That is why it was only briefly mentioned in the discussion as an
>example of how these things would look in another conversation and
>context. No comparison if issues was made.
>
>
> tr> For my part, I think that bringing gender equality into it,
> tr> *especially* in the WSIS context, is not only irrelevant but
> tr> misleading. 'Gender equality' is a completely separate issue -
> tr> and comes with it's own challenges. For example, someone from the
> tr> UN 'Global South' who is female has more voice than someone from
> tr> the Global South who is male.  That's not equality. That's a
> tr> method to try to deal with imbalance which, inadvertently,
> tr> creates imbalance.
>
>It occured to me that it is somewhat ironical how you seem to prove
>Beatriz right by contradicting her.
>  
>
How have I proven Beatriz right? I have not contradicted her. I have
made a point which she may concur with. That's not contradiction.

>Leaving aside Free Software for a moment and considering the gender
>aspect, it is interesting how from the above paragraph it seems to be
>the womens fault that there are so few of them to be found in so many
>circles that some intervention is needed to come closer to a 50/50
>situation. 
>
>Why not blame the men who have filled up the other 80% of the slots?
>  
>
I'm presently in Trinidad and Tobago. All WSIS Civil Society
participants so far have been female and from the Gender Caucus. They're
both women. Should I blame the women for filling 100% of the roles? ;-)

I've noted to both participants - humorously - that it's odd that both
representatives are of the Gender Caucus, are female... and nobody else
from Trinidad and Tobago is involved in Civil Society. Certainly there
is some irony. But they are good people who I have healthy agreements
and disagreements with, because we do consider ourselves equal (at least
I hope we do). But the interesting result is that when it comes to the
WSIS, women of Trinidad and Tobago have voice and the men do not. Would
the creation of incentives for men to participate in Trinidad and Tobago
help? Suddenly, we're looking at a role reversal.

Do not count me, because I'm not a formal part of a group and I'm in the
process of leaving Trinidad and Tobago anyway. Thus you may consider me
an outsider.

But let's talk about the blaming of men. While there are circles which
are male dominated and are not as welcoming to women as they should be
(some cases of stronger rather than weaker), creating positions in such
cases for women solves a problem of numbers - it does not solve the
problem. If an employer is told that s/he must hire 50% women to meet a
quota, should we not expect that there be 50% men as well? And wouldn't
the employer expect them to work together? Yes, of course.

Unfortunately, with limited positions in working groups and committees,
many selections cannot allow 50% representation. This goes for Global
South and Global North, male and female. It's a very complicated
problem, and not one that I would make light of. Oddly enough, and
within context, the WSIS PCT has just suffered it in the WGIG. And
there's been a lot of noise made about this. So if anything, Beatriz
seems to have been contadicting herself and I simply pointed it out.

>I do not like any preference and quota rules any more than you do, but
>we have to realize that sometimes things won't change unless we try to
>actively push in a certain direction.
>  
>
Certainly. Giving equal voice would be appropriate, and asking for equal
representation as well. Not giving more weight to certain voices over
others. Men are typically afraid of speaking up about such measures
because men are afraid of being called chauvinists. In fact, I may
attract that through this discussion. That's another lovely point about
enforcing equality of one group on another.

But equality can never be enforced by law. That's seen throughout the
world - show me a law on equality that has been in operation for years,
and then tell me if it has created equality. Any way a statistician
massages the numbers, there is still inequality. I have personally felt
it at many different levels because of the diverse heritages I have. So
yes, I know first hand about inequality. I've been refused gasoline
(petrol for you Europeans) in the Panhandle of Florida because I looked
hispanic (yet I am not). Would telling gas station owners that they must
sell gas to people who look hispanic at least 50% of the time in that
region help? :-)

Equality. Inequality. We speak of the Global South... even I speak of
the Global South... but not many people from the Global South are
actually participating. This will not sit well with representatives of
the Global South, but it is true - these are not people from fishing
villages or farms, these are not people who are simply housewives.

You're certainly familiar with Heisenberg and Planck.

The people who are participating have funding, the people who are not
participating do not have funding. Should we say that 50% of the people
without funding should be a part of the process? You see, this thing
doesn't suffer recursion well.

>Answering to your paragraph above: 
>
>Yes, personal injustice can arise as a result of this.
>
>The question is whether that is a price worth to be paid.
>
>I believe it is necessary, while I wish it would not be.
>  
>
Your stance sits well with me. But as you admit, it is a flawed stance.
Equality. We speak of it so much and yet when we try to fix it, it's by
meeting inequality with enforced inequality. And one cannot force
someone to treat another as an equal. That's sort of like installing
democracy by killing all the people who don't want it. That certainly
makes elections easier... in theory.

Taking this back to Free Software - would you agree that this stance
should be taken with Free Software? Is it right for a government to
dictate the software to be used, be it Free Software or proprietary?
Certainly not on licensing issues, but when it comes to having locally
produced software (which China has done) there is substantiation for
such dictation.

Personally, I don't expect a government to know what is best for me. I
think it's safe to say that if Civil Society felt that governments were
doing what was best for them, there would be no Civil Society. But here
we are. And the cornerstone of this discussion was that the WSIS-PCT did
not feel it got equal treatment when it came to the WGIG.

Again, here we are.

-- 
Taran Rampersad

cnd@knowprose.com

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From cnd at knowprose.com  Mon Jan 17 17:23:49 2005
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Digression
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Georg C. F. Greve wrote:

> || On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:33:19 -0500
> || Taran Rampersad <cnd@knowprose.com> wrote: 
>
> tr> 2 years ago I emailed the FSF about whether there were plans to
> tr> start a 'chapter' in the Caribbean/Latin American region, and I
> tr> [...]
> tr> quite difficult to say if an allied organization's views of Free
> tr> Software are that of the Free Software Foundation.
>
>That was true 2 years ago, yes.
>
>Right now, discussions about FSF Latin America are ongoing and first
>steps should become visible this year.
>  
>
Bear in mind, please, that the Latin American region encompasses the
Caribbean as well (in terms of the UN, WSIS, and most references
available on the internet) - and that there are linguistic and cultural
differences throughout the region. This was the focus of CARDICIS
(http://www.cardicis.org ) which the FSF may find interesting. So for
logistics at the WSIS level and other lobbying activities, this should
probably be taken into account.

>Creating some Free Software organisation in the Caribbean region would
>still seem like a useful endeavour, though.
>
>  
>
Actually, there's a strongly pragmatic approach in the Caribbean and
something is building itself. It appears that it won't be distinctly
Free Software.

>So please be patient. If you feel the work is not happening fast
>enough, please feel encouraged to become active yourself or support
>the activities.
>  
>
Actually, I'm spending most of my time trying to work with local ICT
NGOs who feel somewhat alienated by the doctrinal approach mentioned in
this conversation. I'll make a broad statement and say that all the NGOs
have a proprietary software basis (to be expected), but that this is
shifting. The idea is to facilitate the shifting. At least, that's my
stance and I'm sticking to it.

> tr> Thank you in advance for clarification.
>
>I hope this helped you -- and maybe others -- clarifying matters a
>bit. Thanks for asking in a constructive way.
>  
>
I simply saw the same problem that I see in the region where I am
active. It's fortunate that the tools were available to make such
distinctions, and I am happy that they exist at this level and that they
are expanding.

The clarification certainly helped me, and I hope it did help others.
That there have been bad experiences with communication is always a
problem, but dealing with the stereotypes has more long term affects.
Perhaps the members of the CS Plenary will no longer associate feelings
of past experiences with present communication. And perhaps, too, the
FSF will understand better that the stereotypes exist.

As I mentioned in an editorial for Linux Gazette a few months ago, it's
an odd mix. Organizations have a tendency to have spokespeople and
committees; Software Libre is a bit more hands on for participants. In
fact, it's the best model for participation for eGovernance (and
eDemocracy, for that matter) that I can find - but with it, it must be
understood that while messengers have the same message, some messengers
do have association which meets the requirements of the present system
of participation.

Software Libre has much to offer, and much experience within community
and formal organizations. It's important that this not be tainted by
poor communication, and I think that this is the point where everyone
can agree. If not, then there certainly is a problem.

-- 
Taran Rampersad

cnd@knowprose.com

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From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Mon Jan 17 17:54:45 2005
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Orientation Session on 14 February
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From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
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En Francais

 

 

Chers amis, 

 

Vous trouverez ci-joint le programme de la session d'orientation qui se
tiendra le 14 f?vrier prochain. Nous aimerions savoir encore ? ce point qui
viendra ? cette session, et aussi en particulier quels caucus et Groupes de
Travail seront repr?sent?s, afin que nous puissions satisfaire au mieux
leurs besoins.

 

 

Session d'orientation de la Soci?t? Civile

 

REUNION PREPARATOIRE

(PREPCOM-2 DE LA PHASE DE TUNIS DU SMSI)

Palais des Nations, Gen?ve

14 F?vrier 2005

 

Cette session d'orientation est destin?e ? apporter ? l'ensemble des
participants l'information de base n?cessaire ? la Phase II du SMSI, afin
d'assurer une participation plus efficace. Cette session est ouverte ? tous
: d?l?gations de gouvernements, secteur priv?, soci?t? civile et
organisations internationales.


Programme d'activit?


 

Heure:                           Ev?nement:

 

14:00 ?  14:10               Accueil et introduction

*************************************************************** *
Renate Bloem (President, CONGO)

 

14:10 ?  15:00               WSIS Phase 2: Acteurs et processus 

*         Janis Karklins (President, PrepComs Tunis Phase)

*        Charles Geiger (Executive Director, WSIS Executive Secretariat)

*        Nitin Desai (Chair WGIG), tbc

*        Markus Kummer (Executive Coordinator, WGIG)           

*         Moncef  Achour (Civil Society, WSIS Executive Secretariat)

 

15:15 ? 16:00                Soci?t? civile et SMSI : structures et
opportunit?s

*         Civil Society Bureau: CONGO, NGLS, ICV

*         Content and Themes Group: Karen Banks

*         Plenary: tba

*         Caucuses and WGs: tba

*         Housekeeping: CONGO, ICV

 

16:00 ? 16 :15               Pause caf? pour networking 

 

 

16:15 ? 18:00                Strat?gies:

*         Breakout Groups into Caucuses and WGs

 

18.00 ? 19:00               Pl?ni?re           :

*         Cultural Sensitivity: Tracey Naughton

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From jeanette at wz-berlin.de  Mon Jan 17 19:39:25 2005
From: jeanette at wz-berlin.de (Jeanette Hofmann)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
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Georg C. F. Greve wrote:
>  || On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:53:00 -0500
>  || "Milton Mueller" <mueller@syr.edu> wrote: 
> 
>  mm> Let me clarify. I'm not "explaining" anything. I wasn't part of
>  mm> the Governance Caucus group that passed recommendations to
>  mm> Kummer, nor was I present when Kummer and Kofi Annan made their
>  mm> final selections. So I have no clue as to what their methodology
>  mm> or thinking was regarding the FS nominees.
> 
> As far as I know and from what has been said by others before, Markus
> Kummer and Kofi Annan essentially followed the recommendations made by
> the Internet Governance Caucus.

This is wrong. Several organizations and networks made suggestions. Even 
WSIS CS working groups proposed candidates or lists of candidates 
directly to Kummer. The NCUC also sent a list to Kummer. The IG caucus 
was aware of these activities like anybody else on the plenary list 
paying attention to these issues. Moreover, the IG caucus did not know 
if and to what degree Annan and Kummer would follow our suggestions.
> 
> So while you are certainly right that they are ultimately responsible
> for the selection, they apparently weren't the ones making it.

Someone at the UN must have made the decision to follow to a large 
degree the suggestions from IG caucus and NCUC.

I'd wish we would stop this discussion. To me it seems quite destructive 
and seems not lead anywhere.
jeanette
> 
> 
>  >> Excluding a whole group of people on grounds of prejudice towards
>  >> some of its participants seems a questionable policy [snip]
> 
>  mm> Yes, but you need to entertain the possibility that it wasn't
>  mm> prejudice.
> 
> The alternative to prejudice would have been deliberate spreading of
> obvious falsehoods and derogatory statements with the goal of smearing
> and discrediting others.
> 
> I was merely giving you the benefit of the doubt.
> 
> 
>  mm> Now the choices have been made, and cannot be changed. 
> 
> If we don't do anything, nothing will change for sure.
> 
> That is why we made very concrete suggestions and requests.
> 
> Regards,
> Georg
> 

From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Mon Jan 17 19:57:24 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <41EC146D.6020407@wz-berlin.de>
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hmmm.. can we start discussing and preparing for the coming prepcom?

I posted some comments earlier and am keen to get people's comments.


regards


Robert


>
>I'd wish we would stop this discussion. To me it seems quite 
>destructive and seems not lead anywhere.

-- 
###
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Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From cnd at knowprose.com  Tue Jan 18 02:34:50 2005
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Upcoming Prepcom
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Robert Guerra wrote:

> hmmm.. can we start discussing and preparing for the coming prepcom?
>
> I posted some comments earlier and am keen to get people's comments.
>
Getting back to that (Snagged from beforehand):

> It is my view that in addition to an ongoing debate and/or discussion
> we need, we must also start focusing our attention on the coming
> prepcom...
>
> Here's my list of suggested list of items that I think we should start
> planning for:
>
>
> * A debriefing session for the different working groups and caucuses -
> Where each group could update each other on activities we've been
> involved in and the try to agree on objectives to achieve for Week 1 &
> 2 of the prepcom
>
> * Press Briefings -
> This was done very effectively at really only PrepCom 1 of the first
> phase. It would be good to organize a daily public press briefing
>
>
> * Meeting with the governments
> As in the past, I think it would be quite effective to try to arrange
> one or more meetings with the regional blocks such as the EU, Africa,
> GRULAG etc. For this it would be good to start planning already.
>
> * Building an online resource for the CS delegates .
> Given enough time - something we have now - an online resource of some
> kind could be setup so that not only do we know how to get in touch
> with each other, but also what our common positions and objectives are
> for the meeting.
>
> * Communications
> One of the issues that came up in this month's public voice
> teleconference is that we need to better share news and updates that
> are going on.
>
> I for one have started a blog to keep this caucus and others informed
> on my wsis activities. If you have a blog, or know others who do -
> please let me know so that I can feed them into the WSIS news section
> on my site.
>
> http://www.privaterra.org/activities/wsis/blog/
>
> I hope that by starting to plan now we can be more strategic and
> effective at the coming prepcom.
>
> I am keen to hear everyone's comments.

I'd like to see some more weblogs on these things. They allow for
transparency. This is the World Summit on *Information Society*, last
time I checked, and honestly it does seem as though things have become
more bogged down in the last WSIS - I followed through the Daily Summit
(a weblog; http://www.dailysummit.net/ ) as best I could. I would think
that Caucuses and Plenaries discussing technology would use the
technologies available. It's pretty hard to make excuses for that.

Well I've been working on the ARCTX (An evolution of ARC;
http://www.knowprose.com/ARC ) concept, Andy Carvin has been making
strides as noted here:
http://www.privaterra.org/activities/wsis/blog/blogs__wiki_s__wsis_and_open_source__.html

(Yes, Robert, I do read your weblog. It lacks an RSS feed, perhaps that
could be fixed? If you need help, let me know)

Funding is not an issue for weblogs. Neither are Wikis. Perhaps it's
time for people discussing technology to use it at the same level or
better than the private sector. I've been rather perturbed by the fact
that the average person doesn't know what is going on in WSIS.

The Civil Society Plenary, especially, should be doing this sort of thing.

In all, I think that there would be a lot of interest demonstrated on
the internet. That's sort of what this whole thing is about, I think.

My main weblog is at http://www.knowprose.com - I'm not a direct
participant, but as things unfold in the world I have a tendency to
write about them. Prepcom will be one of them, of course.

-- 
Taran Rampersad

cnd@knowprose.com

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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Tue Jan 18 03:43:58 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Upcoming Prepcom
In-Reply-To: <41EC75CA.6090304@knowprose.com>
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 <m3zmz92vkn.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org> <41EC146D.6020407@wz-berlin.de>
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Message-ID: <p06200734be122d6667e6@[192.168.1.251]>

At 9:34 PM -0500 1/17/05, Taran Rampersad wrote:
>
>I'd like to see some more weblogs on these things. They allow for
>transparency. This is the World Summit on *Information Society*, last
>time I checked, and honestly it does seem as though things have become
>more bogged down in the last WSIS - I followed through the Daily Summit
>(a weblog; http://www.dailysummit.net/ ) as best I could. I would think
>that Caucuses and Plenaries discussing technology would use the
>technologies available. It's pretty hard to make excuses for that.

surprisingly people in the past haven't really blogged.  Well, that's 
with the exception of the youth caucus that has always been much 
better at not only communicating, but also providing details of 
activities.


>(Yes, Robert, I do read your weblog. It lacks an RSS feed, perhaps that
>could be fixed? If you need help, let me know)

hmm. It does have a RSS feed, and should be auto-discoverable.
(has the RSS feed icon turned on in firefox..)

if it doesn't work, just add "rss.xml" to any my main WSIS blog address...

http://www.privaterra.org/activities/wsis/blog/

Resulting in :

http://www.privaterra.org/activities/wsis/blog/rss.xml
Which should work. let me know if it doesn't...



>Funding is not an issue for weblogs. Neither are Wikis. Perhaps it's
>time for people discussing technology to use it at the same level or
>better than the private sector. I've been rather perturbed by the fact
>that the average person doesn't know what is going on in WSIS.

a couple of comments...

1.. if we identify, as we have now that better communication is 
needed and that blogs and wikis can help then we need to have a group 
of people who are available and dedicated to use them, who in turn 
have the resources where to post them, and know that people will read 
it.

The closest thing to a blog is this site - 
http://www.worldsummit2003.org/ . It's where I turn to for news, 
analysis and commentary on what's going on. It's not live, but good 
nonetheless.

WSIS has been a goldmine for academics - they are researching it, and 
it's starting to generate a considerable about of documents and 
research. Are the resulting documents being shared so that we can all 
find out ...well, not in all cases. At times documents are shared, 
other times articles are published in subscription only journals (ie. 
http://tinyurl.com/59zvq)  and out of reach to the general public

For example, it would be nice if the SUMMER 2004 edition of  the 
journal for Information Technologies and International Development 
(http://tinyurl.com/4gjd5 ) which was specifically dedicated to WSIS 
could be made available under a creative commons license of some sort.

2. if we want the "average public" to know about WSIS, then we need 
people who can translate the WSIS geeky terms like WGIG, WEOG, GRULAG 
and other terms into something that is more understandable.

we  need more journalists not only participating, but also reporting 
and informing the public.  allafrica.com did cover PrepCom 3 and the 
summit well, probably far better than any of the north american press 
that , to be honest, really ignored the summit.

In summary we need to have an effective press strategy and way to 
effectively engage the press. Who will do that? Having identified the 
need, we then have to find out who could do the task. Believe it or 
not this - WAS - done at prepcom 1 (first phase), but never since. 
Perhaps with the time we have now to prepare we can ....

>The Civil Society Plenary, especially, should be doing this sort of thing.

who, how, in what language ? let's make sure its not only in English, 
but also in other languages.

It takes people who have the time, the resources and access to the 
technical tools to make it happen.


>In all, I think that there would be a lot of interest demonstrated on
the internet.

agree.


>My main weblog is at http://www.knowprose.com - I'm not a direct
>participant, but as things unfold in the world I have a tendency to
>write about them. Prepcom will be one of them, of course.

make sure to feed it to a aggregation site like technocrati - 
http://www.technorati.com/ that way, your wsis related articles can 
be found be others (and be available as a feed as well).

Subscribe to one of the feeds i've setup below and you'll get a daily 
dosis of WSIS related blogs in Spanish, French and English...

1. "sociedad de informaci?n" (Spanish - Information Society)
  RSS: http://www.technorati.com/watchlists/rss.html?wid=25668

2. smsi (WSIS in french)
RSS: http://www.technorati.com/watchlists/rss.html?wid=25662

3. wsis (english)
RSS: http://www.technorati.com/watchlists/rss.html?wid=25655


Getting back to preparations ....

one of the items that I raised was how to more effectively use  ICT 
tools for CS. what do people think? how do we deal with offers people 
have come forward with - and run with them.

how about the logistical issues and briefings...what to people have to say?


regards

Robert



-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From cnd at knowprose.com  Tue Jan 18 05:26:56 2005
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Upcoming Prepcom
In-Reply-To: <p06200734be122d6667e6@[192.168.1.251]>
References: <s1e9acf9.027@gwia201.syr.edu> <m3zmz92vkn.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org> <41EC146D.6020407@wz-berlin.de> <p06200731be11c8aacbd7@[192.168.1.251]> <41EC75CA.6090304@knowprose.com> <p06200734be122d6667e6@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <41EC9E20.2080505@knowprose.com>

Robert Guerra wrote:

> At 9:34 PM -0500 1/17/05, Taran Rampersad wrote:
>
>>
>> I'd like to see some more weblogs on these things. They allow for
>> transparency. This is the World Summit on *Information Society*, last
>> time I checked, and honestly it does seem as though things have become
>> more bogged down in the last WSIS - I followed through the Daily Summit
>> (a weblog; http://www.dailysummit.net/ ) as best I could. I would think
>> that Caucuses and Plenaries discussing technology would use the
>> technologies available. It's pretty hard to make excuses for that.
>
>
> surprisingly people in the past haven't really blogged. Well, that's
> with the exception of the youth caucus that has always been much
> better at not only communicating, but also providing details of
> activities.

See the link above....

>
>
>> (Yes, Robert, I do read your weblog. It lacks an RSS feed, perhaps that
>> could be fixed? If you need help, let me know)
>
>
> hmm. It does have a RSS feed, and should be auto-discoverable.
> (has the RSS feed icon turned on in firefox..)

You might want to clear the cache in your browser, I'm not seeing it.
And I'm doing some playing with some code on FeedReader, which doesn't
auto-discover. To my knowledge, only Mozilla does autodiscover. Viewing
the source shows a relative link with a title, but the CSS class 'RSS'
doesn't appear to be used.

> if it doesn't work, just add "rss.xml" to any my main WSIS blog
> address...
>
> http://www.privaterra.org/activities/wsis/blog/

http://www.privaterra.org/activities/wsis/blog/rss.xml does work.

>> Funding is not an issue for weblogs. Neither are Wikis. Perhaps it's
>> time for people discussing technology to use it at the same level or
>> better than the private sector. I've been rather perturbed by the fact
>> that the average person doesn't know what is going on in WSIS.
>
>
> a couple of comments...
>
> 1.. if we identify, as we have now that better communication is needed
> and that blogs and wikis can help then we need to have a group of
> people who are available and dedicated to use them, who in turn have
> the resources where to post them, and know that people will read it.
>
> The closest thing to a blog is this site -
> http://www.worldsummit2003.org/ . It's where I turn to for news,
> analysis and commentary on what's going on. It's not live, but good
> nonetheless.
>
> WSIS has been a goldmine for academics - they are researching it, and
> it's starting to generate a considerable about of documents and
> research. Are the resulting documents being shared so that we can all
> find out ...well, not in all cases. At times documents are shared,
> other times articles are published in subscription only journals (ie.
> http://tinyurl.com/59zvq) and out of reach to the general public
>
> For example, it would be nice if the SUMMER 2004 edition of the
> journal for Information Technologies and International Development
> (http://tinyurl.com/4gjd5 ) which was specifically dedicated to WSIS
> could be made available under a creative commons license of some sort.

Agreed.

> 2. if we want the "average public" to know about WSIS, then we need
> people who can translate the WSIS geeky terms like WGIG, WEOG, GRULAG
> and other terms into something that is more understandable.

http://www.knowprose.com/node/1197 -- Acronyms are only good for one
language.... ICT becomes TIC in Spanish, etc. So yes.

> we need more journalists not only participating, but also reporting
> and informing the public. allafrica.com did cover PrepCom 3 and the
> summit well, probably far better than any of the north american press
> that , to be honest, really ignored the summit.

I really think you should click the link http://www.dailysummit.net/
which I provided above. In fact, if you scroll down you'll see an old
link to my site, when I was using MovableType.

> In summary we need to have an effective press strategy and way to
> effectively engage the press. Who will do that? Having identified the
> need, we then have to find out who could do the task. Believe it or
> not this - WAS - done at prepcom 1 (first phase), but never since.
> Perhaps with the time we have now to prepare we can ....

Perhaps I could bring this up to the WorldChanging.com team. It's right
up our alley, actually, but we'll need stuff to report. Which means that
we'll need information off of the web. However, one of the guys who was
running DailySummit contacted me recently about the Alert Retrieval
Cache project, so I do have an open line of communication.

Of course, how open is the whole thing going to be?

>> The Civil Society Plenary, especially, should be doing this sort of
>> thing.
>
>
> who, how, in what language ? let's make sure its not only in English,
> but also in other languages.

Well, if people who speak English are the only ones who write, you get
English only. That's the way it works. I'm certain that people of other
languages can write.
There's always automatic translation, but that can be dangerous.

> It takes people who have the time, the resources and access to the
> technical tools to make it happen.
>
>
>> In all, I think that there would be a lot of interest demonstrated on
>
> the internet.
>
> agree.
>
>
>> My main weblog is at http://www.knowprose.com - I'm not a direct
>> participant, but as things unfold in the world I have a tendency to
>> write about them. Prepcom will be one of them, of course.
>
>
> make sure to feed it to a aggregation site like technocrati -
> http://www.technorati.com/ that way, your wsis related articles can be
> found be others (and be available as a feed as well).

Umm...
http://www.technorati.com/cosmos/search.html?rank=&url=knowprose.com
http://www.technorati.com/cosmos/search.html?rank=&url=www.privaterra.org%2Factivities%2Fwsis%2Fblog%2F

I've been at this a while, Robert. Since blogging started, actually. ;-)
If you're interested, offlist me and I'll point you at some useful
stuff. That goes for anyone else who wants to hop into the blogosphere
for this.

Do you have trackbacks, Robert?

(In fact, I'm knee deep in MySQL rescuing eAsylum.net while I'm writing
this.)

Incidentally, another solution for some might be email posts to RSS
feeds, and so on.

> Getting back to preparations ....
>
> one of the items that I raised was how to more effectively use ICT
> tools for CS. what do people think? how do we deal with offers people
> have come forward with - and run with them.

More action, less talk.

-- 
Taran Rampersad

cnd@knowprose.com

http://www.linuxgazette.com
http://www.a42.com
http://www.worldchanging.com
http://www.knowprose.com
http://www.easylum.net

"Criticize by creating." ? Michelangelo



From greve at fsfeurope.org  Tue Jan 18 09:41:51 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <41EC146D.6020407@wz-berlin.de> (Jeanette Hofmann's message of
	"Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:39:25 +0100")
References: <s1e9acf9.027@gwia201.syr.edu> <m3zmz92vkn.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org>
	<41EC146D.6020407@wz-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <m3y8er9iqo.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>

 || On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:39:25 +0100
 || Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette@wz-berlin.de> wrote: 

 >> As far as I know and from what has been said by others before,
 >> Markus Kummer and Kofi Annan essentially followed the
 >> recommendations made by the Internet Governance Caucus.

 jh> This is wrong. 

Having gone through them again, it still seems that the list of
recommendations by the Internet Governance Caucus and the list of
members on the WGIG are identical.

I do not see how that would wrong the statement that "Markus Kummer
and Kofi Annan essentially followed the recommendations made by the
Internet Governance Caucus."


 jh> I'd wish we would stop this discussion. To me it seems quite
 jh> destructive and seems not lead anywhere.

Certainly these proceedings are indeed quite destructive to Civil
Society and its credibility. I don't think that the damage is really
caused by the whistleblower, though.

But you are right in so far as that this discussion seems to be
leading nowhere and in fact I never found myself wanting to start it,
but forced to respond to point out wrong statements.

It admittedly appears there is currently little interest in this forum
to address these fundamental problems and to rectify the situation or
to come to a conclusion.

We will have to decide on how to proceed further.

Regards,
Georg

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Free Software Foundation Europe	                 (http://fsfeurope.org)
GNU Business Network                        (http://mailman.gnubiz.org)
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From: rikp at earthlink.net (Rik Panganiban)
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Thanks, Robert for trying to getting us onto some of to focus on the 
most pressing, practical concerns.

On your points:

On Jan 16, 2005, at 10:01 AM, Robert Guerra wrote:

> Reading the ongoing discussion that is going on, has me thinking if 
> the same energy and great effort being expended could not also be used 
> for another very important issue - that of starting to prepare, 
> organizing and discussing the coming PrepCom 2...
>
> It is my view that in addition to an ongoing debate and/or discussion 
> we need, we must also start focusing our attention on the coming 
> prepcom...
>
> Here's my list of suggested list of items that I think we should start 
> planning for:
>
> * A debriefing session for the different working groups and caucuses - 
> Where each group could update each other on activities we've been 
> involved in and the try to agree on objectives to achieve for Week 1 & 
> 2 of the prepcom
>

My understanding is that there will be time set aside for a general 
overview of the different caucuses and working groups as well as 
breakout sessions for them on the Feb 14 orientation sessions organized 
by CONGO and others.

> * Press Briefings -
> This was done very effectively at really only PrepCom 1 of the first 
> phase. It would be good to organize a daily public press briefing

Frankly I see very little purpose to this at this point in the 
negotiations to do a big press outreach effort.  Going in to prepcom 
II, there really isn't much newsworthy to report, except possibly some 
response from CS to the TFFM.  Perhaps the Financing WG could approach 
some press people and tell us if there is any interest in a press 
briefing.

At Prepcom III we will lots of final negotiations and preparations for 
the actual summit, so some press work then would be more warranted I 
think.

>
> * Meeting with the governments
> As in the past, I think it would be quite effective to try to arrange 
> one or more meetings with the regional blocks such as the EU, Africa, 
> GRULAG etc.  For this it would be good to start planning already.

Yes, I'm in full support in seeing if we can sit together with some of 
the regional blocs.  We have not done this enough.

> * Building an online resource for the CS delegates .
> Given enough time - something we have now -  an online resource of 
> some kind could be setup so that not only do we know how to get in 
> touch with each other, but also what our common positions and 
> objectives are for the meeting.
>
> * Communications
> One of the issues that came up in this month's public voice 
> teleconference is that we need to better share news and updates that 
> are going on.
>
> I for one have started a blog to keep this caucus and others informed 
> on my wsis activities. If you have a blog, or know others who do - 
> please let me know so that I can feed them into the WSIS news section 
> on my site. http://www.privaterra.org/activities/wsis/blog/

I think Andy Carvin had also proposed setting up a CS WSIS news 
aggregator, combining blogs and other news feeds.  So yeah, this would 
be a good idea.

Rik Panganiban
CONGO

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RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations 
(CONGO)
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email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
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From nne75 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 18 11:43:52 2005
From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Upcoming Prepcom
In-Reply-To: <p06200734be122d6667e6@[192.168.1.251]>
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if we want the "average public" to know about WSIS, then we need 
people who can translate the WSIS geeky terms like WGIG, WEOG, GRULAG 
and other terms into something that is more understandable.

This is one great thing tht anybody can do for people who speak his or her language.  For the African Scene, you even have to rebrush the history of the WSIS itself from time to time.  As new folks come in, you do the job all over again.
 
Maybe it is time we expressed gratitude to CONGO who has been doing a wonderful work in orientation sessions.
 
Best of the day
 
Nnenna

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From magaly at greatvideo.com  Tue Jan 18 12:31:38 2005
From: magaly at greatvideo.com (magaly pazello)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Upcoming Prepcom
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Hi Nnenna!
I full agree with you. One observation GRULAG = GRULAC is not WSIS 
terms, is a UN and multlateral process term. It is more complicated 
because even people envolved in the WSIS process don't know very well 
UN processes and its terms and language. It is a big challenge.

Magaly

On 18/01/2005, at 09:43, Nnenna wrote:

> if we want the "average public" to know about WSIS, then we need
> people who can translate the WSIS geeky terms like WGIG, WEOG, GRULAG
> and other terms into something that is more understandable.
> This is one great thing tht anybody can do for people who speak his or 
> her language.? For the African Scene, you even have to rebrush the 
> history of the WSIS itself from time to time.? As new folks come in, 
> you do the job all over again.
> ?
> Maybe it is time we expressed gratitude to CONGO who has been doing a 
> wonderful work in orientation sessions.
> ?
> Best of the day
> ?
> Nnenna
>
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From acarvin at edc.org  Tue Jan 18 13:55:06 2005
From: acarvin at edc.org (Andy Carvin)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Preparing for PrepCom 2
In-Reply-To: <BA693D99-693D-11D9-B122-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
References: <s1e68863.031@gwia201.syr.edu>  <20050113204111.5533e242.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>  <41E78013.1060604@bertola.eu.org> <1105713157.4554.14.camel@localhost>  <41EA4390.3000400@bertola.eu.org> <p0620071fbe102cbe046a@[192.168.1.251]> <BA693D99-693D-11D9-B122-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
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Hi Rik,

Robert and I had a conference call about this late last week. I'm hoping 
to do some fundraising to put some staff-time on developing a 
WSISBlogs.org site between now and Tunis; in the meantime, I'm probably 
going to create a very simple aggregator for those of us blogging from 
the Prepcom, something along the lines of my tsunami-info.org site. 
Also, just yesterday I figured out a cool way for a group of people to 
create "mobcasts": audio blogs (podcasts) with multiple contributors, 
all filing their blogs over their mobile phones. I'm about to start 
experimenting with the concept at http://mobcasting.blogspot.com as soon 
as I get some volunteers. It's free, and only requires calling a US 
phone number (which might pose some problems for non-US mobile networks 
whose keytones are different than US keytones, though).

Meanwhile, we're in the process of getting MediaWiki running on the 
Digital Divide Network server; I thought it was all set a few days ago 
and I created a space where people could post their prepcom itineraries, 
propose meetings, etc, but for some reason the page erases itself every 
few hours. Needless to say it's not ready yet, but hopefully in the next 
couple of days EDC's tech team will be able to solve the problem.

thanks,
ac


Rik Panganiban wrote:
> Thanks, Robert for trying to getting us onto some of to focus on the 
> most pressing, practical concerns.
> 
> On your points:
> 
> On Jan 16, 2005, at 10:01 AM, Robert Guerra wrote:
> 
>     Reading the ongoing discussion that is going on, has me thinking if
>     the same energy and great effort being expended could not also be
>     used for another very important issue - that of starting to prepare,
>     organizing and discussing the coming PrepCom 2...
> 
>     It is my view that in addition to an ongoing debate and/or
>     discussion we need, we must also start focusing our attention on the
>     coming prepcom...
> 
>     Here's my list of suggested list of items that I think we should
>     start planning for:
> 
>     * A debriefing session for the different working groups and caucuses
>     - Where each group could update each other on activities we've been
>     involved in and the try to agree on objectives to achieve for Week 1
>     & 2 of the prepcom
> 
> 
> My understanding is that there will be time set aside for a general 
> overview of the different caucuses and working groups as well as 
> breakout sessions for them on the Feb 14 orientation sessions organized 
> by CONGO and others.
> 
>     * Press Briefings -
>     This was done very effectively at really only PrepCom 1 of the first
>     phase. It would be good to organize a daily public press briefing
> 
> 
> Frankly I see very little purpose to this at this point in the 
> negotiations to do a big press outreach effort. Going in to prepcom II, 
> there really isn't much newsworthy to report, except *possibly* some 
> response from CS to the TFFM. Perhaps the Financing WG could approach 
> some press people and tell us if there is any interest in a press briefing.
> 
> At Prepcom III we will lots of final negotiations and preparations for 
> the actual summit, so some press work then would be more warranted I think.
> 
> 
>     * Meeting with the governments
>     As in the past, I think it would be quite effective to try to
>     arrange one or more meetings with the regional blocks such as the
>     EU, Africa, GRULAG etc. For this it would be good to start planning
>     already.
> 
> 
> Yes, I'm in full support in seeing if we can sit together with some of 
> the regional blocs. We have not done this enough.
> 
>     * Building an online resource for the CS delegates .
>     Given enough time - something we have now - an online resource of
>     some kind could be setup so that not only do we know how to get in
>     touch with each other, but also what our common positions and
>     objectives are for the meeting.
> 
>     * Communications
>     One of the issues that came up in this month's public voice
>     teleconference is that we need to better share news and updates that
>     are going on.
> 
>     I for one have started a blog to keep this caucus and others
>     informed on my wsis activities. If you have a blog, or know others
>     who do - please let me know so that I can feed them into the WSIS
>     news section on my site.
>     http://www.privaterra.org/activities/wsis/blog/
> 
> 
> I think Andy Carvin had also proposed setting up a CS WSIS news 
> aggregator, combining blogs and other news feeds. So yeah, this would be 
> a good idea.
> 
> Rik Panganiban
> CONGO
> 
> ===============================================
> RIK PANGANIBAN Communications Coordinator
> Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations 
> (CONGO)
> web: http://www.ngocongo.org
> email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524

-- 
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Program Director
EDC Center for Media & Community
acarvin @ edc . org
http://www.digitaldivide.net
http://www.tsunami-info.org
Blog: http://www.andycarvin.com
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From acarvin at edc.org  Tue Jan 18 14:08:59 2005
From: acarvin at edc.org (Andy Carvin)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Upcoming Prepcom
In-Reply-To: <41EC9E20.2080505@knowprose.com>
References: <s1e9acf9.027@gwia201.syr.edu> <m3zmz92vkn.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org>  <41EC146D.6020407@wz-berlin.de> <p06200731be11c8aacbd7@[192.168.1.251]>  <41EC75CA.6090304@knowprose.com> <p06200734be122d6667e6@[192.168.1.251]> <41EC9E20.2080505@knowprose.com>
Message-ID: <41ED187B.2070803@edc.org>

David Steven, Rym Gacem and the DailySummit team were really great at 
the last WSIS, particularly since they were blogging in both English and 
Arabic. They've been very quiet since then, only blogging at a CHOGM 
meeting last year if I remember correctly. I was also blogging from 
WSIS, as were representatives from OneWorld TV and Highway Africa News 
Agency, coordinated by Megan Knight in South Africa.

At the last Prepcom, there were very few of us blogging: Ralf, Bertrand, 
Rik and I were posting content on our respective websites, while others 
were good at posting updates to the plenary. But I think we can have a 
more coordinated blogging presence both at the next prepcom and future 
meetings, most importantly Tunis itself.

Like I said in previous emails, I'm planning to put together a basic 
aggregator for WSIS-related blogs, probably initially on my website but 
eventually at wsisblogs.org. So anyone who's planning to attend the 
prepcom and plans to blog, please send me their blog URL and RSS feed as 
soon as possible.

It might be also be worth encouraging prepcom attendees who've never 
blogged before to try it themselves, particularly if they can write 
fluently in languages other than English. We could either set up a 
dedicated blogging site for them, or use an existing tool, like my 
digitaldivide.net, which has free blogging on it.

Maybe we could set up a conference call or virtual meeting for this week 
or next week to talk about these various online ideas?

ac


Taran Rampersad wrote:
> Robert Guerra wrote:
> 
> 
>>At 9:34 PM -0500 1/17/05, Taran Rampersad wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'd like to see some more weblogs on these things. They allow for
>>>transparency. This is the World Summit on *Information Society*, last
>>>time I checked, and honestly it does seem as though things have become
>>>more bogged down in the last WSIS - I followed through the Daily Summit
>>>(a weblog; http://www.dailysummit.net/ ) as best I could. I would think
>>>that Caucuses and Plenaries discussing technology would use the
>>>technologies available. It's pretty hard to make excuses for that.
>>
>>
>>surprisingly people in the past haven't really blogged. Well, that's
>>with the exception of the youth caucus that has always been much
>>better at not only communicating, but also providing details of
>>activities.
> 
> 
> See the link above....
> 
> 
>>
>>>(Yes, Robert, I do read your weblog. It lacks an RSS feed, perhaps that
>>>could be fixed? If you need help, let me know)
>>
>>
>>hmm. It does have a RSS feed, and should be auto-discoverable.
>>(has the RSS feed icon turned on in firefox..)
> 
> 
> You might want to clear the cache in your browser, I'm not seeing it.
> And I'm doing some playing with some code on FeedReader, which doesn't
> auto-discover. To my knowledge, only Mozilla does autodiscover. Viewing
> the source shows a relative link with a title, but the CSS class 'RSS'
> doesn't appear to be used.
> 
> 
>>if it doesn't work, just add "rss.xml" to any my main WSIS blog
>>address...
>>
>>http://www.privaterra.org/activities/wsis/blog/
> 
> 
> http://www.privaterra.org/activities/wsis/blog/rss.xml does work.
> 
> 
>>>Funding is not an issue for weblogs. Neither are Wikis. Perhaps it's
>>>time for people discussing technology to use it at the same level or
>>>better than the private sector. I've been rather perturbed by the fact
>>>that the average person doesn't know what is going on in WSIS.
>>
>>
>>a couple of comments...
>>
>>1.. if we identify, as we have now that better communication is needed
>>and that blogs and wikis can help then we need to have a group of
>>people who are available and dedicated to use them, who in turn have
>>the resources where to post them, and know that people will read it.
>>
>>The closest thing to a blog is this site -
>>http://www.worldsummit2003.org/ . It's where I turn to for news,
>>analysis and commentary on what's going on. It's not live, but good
>>nonetheless.
>>
>>WSIS has been a goldmine for academics - they are researching it, and
>>it's starting to generate a considerable about of documents and
>>research. Are the resulting documents being shared so that we can all
>>find out ...well, not in all cases. At times documents are shared,
>>other times articles are published in subscription only journals (ie.
>>http://tinyurl.com/59zvq) and out of reach to the general public
>>
>>For example, it would be nice if the SUMMER 2004 edition of the
>>journal for Information Technologies and International Development
>>(http://tinyurl.com/4gjd5 ) which was specifically dedicated to WSIS
>>could be made available under a creative commons license of some sort.
> 
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> 
>>2. if we want the "average public" to know about WSIS, then we need
>>people who can translate the WSIS geeky terms like WGIG, WEOG, GRULAG
>>and other terms into something that is more understandable.
> 
> 
> http://www.knowprose.com/node/1197 -- Acronyms are only good for one
> language.... ICT becomes TIC in Spanish, etc. So yes.
> 
> 
>>we need more journalists not only participating, but also reporting
>>and informing the public. allafrica.com did cover PrepCom 3 and the
>>summit well, probably far better than any of the north american press
>>that , to be honest, really ignored the summit.
> 
> 
> I really think you should click the link http://www.dailysummit.net/
> which I provided above. In fact, if you scroll down you'll see an old
> link to my site, when I was using MovableType.
> 
> 
>>In summary we need to have an effective press strategy and way to
>>effectively engage the press. Who will do that? Having identified the
>>need, we then have to find out who could do the task. Believe it or
>>not this - WAS - done at prepcom 1 (first phase), but never since.
>>Perhaps with the time we have now to prepare we can ....
> 
> 
> Perhaps I could bring this up to the WorldChanging.com team. It's right
> up our alley, actually, but we'll need stuff to report. Which means that
> we'll need information off of the web. However, one of the guys who was
> running DailySummit contacted me recently about the Alert Retrieval
> Cache project, so I do have an open line of communication.
> 
> Of course, how open is the whole thing going to be?
> 
> 
>>>The Civil Society Plenary, especially, should be doing this sort of
>>>thing.
>>
>>
>>who, how, in what language ? let's make sure its not only in English,
>>but also in other languages.
> 
> 
> Well, if people who speak English are the only ones who write, you get
> English only. That's the way it works. I'm certain that people of other
> languages can write.
> There's always automatic translation, but that can be dangerous.
> 
> 
>>It takes people who have the time, the resources and access to the
>>technical tools to make it happen.
>>
>>
>>
>>>In all, I think that there would be a lot of interest demonstrated on
>>
>>the internet.
>>
>>agree.
>>
>>
>>
>>>My main weblog is at http://www.knowprose.com - I'm not a direct
>>>participant, but as things unfold in the world I have a tendency to
>>>write about them. Prepcom will be one of them, of course.
>>
>>
>>make sure to feed it to a aggregation site like technocrati -
>>http://www.technorati.com/ that way, your wsis related articles can be
>>found be others (and be available as a feed as well).
> 
> 
> Umm...
> http://www.technorati.com/cosmos/search.html?rank=&url=knowprose.com
> http://www.technorati.com/cosmos/search.html?rank=&url=www.privaterra.org%2Factivities%2Fwsis%2Fblog%2F
> 
> I've been at this a while, Robert. Since blogging started, actually. ;-)
> If you're interested, offlist me and I'll point you at some useful
> stuff. That goes for anyone else who wants to hop into the blogosphere
> for this.
> 
> Do you have trackbacks, Robert?
> 
> (In fact, I'm knee deep in MySQL rescuing eAsylum.net while I'm writing
> this.)
> 
> Incidentally, another solution for some might be email posts to RSS
> feeds, and so on.
> 
> 
>>Getting back to preparations ....
>>
>>one of the items that I raised was how to more effectively use ICT
>>tools for CS. what do people think? how do we deal with offers people
>>have come forward with - and run with them.
> 
> 
> More action, less talk.
> 

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Program Director
EDC Center for Media & Community
acarvin @ edc . org
http://www.digitaldivide.net
http://www.tsunami-info.org
Blog: http://www.andycarvin.com
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From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Tue Jan 18 17:22:52 2005
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Accreditation / Registration procedures WSIS PrepCom2 Geneva 17-25 Feb 2005
Message-ID: <41E5802C0008C0D7@mail4.bluewin.ch> (added by postmaster@bluewin.ch)

Dear ALL,

 

http://www.itu.int/wsis/participation/accreditation/cs.html

 

Following numerous requests for accreditation/registration for the WSIS
process we have encountered much confusion in yr requests. Please kindly
note the following accreditation/registration procedures for the upcoming
PrepCom2, 17-25 February 2005 Geneva. There are 2 different procedures to
follow BOTH MANDATORY: ACCREDITATION AND REGISTRATION!!!

 

ACCREDITATION

 

Entities accredited during the first phase of the Summit (Geneva) remain
accredited for the second phase (Tunis). All NGOs and Civil Society entities
who are NOT IN CONSULTATIVE STATUS with ECOSOC had to obtain accreditation
(as deadline expired on Jan 6, requests submitted after the deadline can NO
longer be considered for PrepCom2, can ONLY be considered for PrepCom3).

All NGOs and Civil Society entities in CONSULTATIVE STATUS with ECOSOC do
not have to go through the full accreditation process. They should
nevertheless submit to the Executive Secretariat their wish to participate
in the PrepComs and the Summit, 2 weeks in advance of each PrepCom, by
sending in the following form filled accordingly:
http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/accreditation/ecosoc

 

REGISTRATION

 

REGISTRATION is NECCESSARY for EACH PrepCom and for the Summit events. Only
accredited NGOs and CS entities in consultative status with ECOSOC can
register. As entrance in the Palais des Nations is subject to serious
security measures, you need to submit for registration a FULL and EXACT list
of names/participants on behalf of the entity you represent. Please fill-in
the following form available at:

http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/accreditation/ecosoc

 

Accreditation/registration with PrepComs DOES NOT cover your
airfare/reservations/hotel fees. CONGO DOES NOT provide any funding for
transportation/accommodation fees. All expenses are SOLELY at participants?
charge.

 

Further should you require more information, please do not hesitate to
contact me:

 

Adina FULGA RADI

CONGO Officer WSIS CS Secretariat

Geneva

Tel:  + 41 22 301 10 00

Fax: + 41 22 301 20 00

 

With kind regards,
Adina Fulga Radi.

 

PS: Please kindly note that due to serious IT problems encountered following
a general electricity breakdown in the Geneva area we have been in the
impossibility to answer yr e-mails ASAP, as all our IT system was down. We
apologize for any inconvenience.

 

Adina

 

Renate Bloem
President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
11, Avenue de la Paix
CH-1202 Geneva
Tel: +41 22 301 1000
Fax: +41 22 301 2000
E-mil:  <mailto:rbloem@ngocongo.org> rbloem@ngocongo.org
Website: www.ngocongo.org <http://www.ngocongo.org/> 

 

The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, membership association
that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United Nations debates and
decisions. Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective is to ensure the
presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's governments and United
Nations agencies on issues of global concern.  For more information see our
website at www.ngocongo.org <http://www.ngocongo.org/> 


Reminder: CONGO Postal Address Has Changed


We will soon be unable to receive mail at our old address at the Palais des
Nations in Geneva.  So please make sure to update your records with CONGO's
new Geneva office postal address: CP 50, 1211 Gen?ve 20, Switzerland.  Our
physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 1st Floor, 1202 Gen?ve,
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From philippe at tutytam.org  Sun Jan 16 19:22:27 2005
From: philippe at tutytam.org (philippe@tutytam.org)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS 2 TUNIS - Internet Fiesta 7 Colombia
Message-ID: <20050116192227.CF80A8A03A@mail.fr.clara.net>

15/01/2005 
The seventh edition of Internet Fiesta is open 

This year, we want to contribute to the World Summit on the Information
Society, who takes place in Tunis in December 2005, the Committee of
Internet Fiesta (Club TIP) retained like topic of our annual demonstration
the general set of themes: ICT Information and Communication Technologies. 



To illustrate the theses which emerge from Geneva 2003, the Committee
decided this year, for the first time, to put in conformity its action with
the preoccupation with an internationalization of Internet Fiesta, present
as of its first edition, which is not the monopoly of any nationality or
groups thoughts.

So, the operational center of Internet Fiesta moves our office to Bogota,
Colombia. 

This great international festival of the ICT will be the occasion of
conferences on the access to information and the communication access on
the countries of the South, in particular the Spanish-speaking countries
which occupy, today a dominating place on the Web.

The most various topical questions (like the intellectual right of the
property and the royalty or the General Agreement on the Trade and
Services, for example) will be tackled at the time of workshops with the
ministries and the international organizations concerned. 

But also and like always the participation of artists, musicians, and well
on YOU.

This subscription is totally free and will cost you nothing but a few
minutes of your time.

Support and register us you as of today !

Should you require any further information, please do not hesitate to
contact us; we will be honoured to answer any questions you may ask.

Thank you and best regards, 

 

Philippe Boland
Commissaire d'exposition
Pr?sident du Club TIP

New direction in Colombia:
Club TIP
Calle 40 # 21A-05 of. 402
Bogot?, Colombia.

philippe@tutytam.org 
Phone number: (57) 300 571 75 47 


From thetha at sangonet.org.za  Tue Jan 18 07:10:21 2005
From: thetha at sangonet.org.za (SANGONeT)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] [WSIS THETHA] SANGONeT "ICTs for Civil Society" Conference and Exhibition, 1-3 March 2005
Message-ID: <MDBBIEJNJOIHHDOCENGOKENMGEAA.thetha@sangonet.org.za>

First Annual SANGONeT "ICTs for Civil Society" Conference and Exhibition

1-3 March 2005

Indaba Hotel, Fourways, Johannesburg

http://www.sangonet.org.za/conference2005

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The Southern African NGO Network (SANGONeT) will host its first annual "ICTs
for Civil Society" conference and exhibition from 1-3 March 2005 at the
Indaba Hotel in Fourways, Johannesburg.

Although many local conferences these days focus on ICT-related issues, very
little dedicated attention is given to the relevance of ICTs to the
non-profit sector and civil  society organisations (CSOs) in general.

Given the ever-increasing interest in and importance of ICT issues to the
CSO sector, the SANGONeT conference will focus specifically on the ICT
challenges facing the CSO sector, highlighting and promoting practical
benefits, opportunities and lessons learned to date.

This important event will provide an opportunity to both CSOs that are
ICT-enabled, as well as those organisations which are considering
introducing ICT solutions to their work, to discuss critical issues of
common concern and learn from one another's experiences.

The varied and comprehensive programme will cater for all needs and
interests, from basic introductory training sessions to the discussion of
cutting edge developments.

The conference programme will consist of a combination of plenary sessions,
breakaway sessions and practical technology demonstrations.

Four plenary sessions, namely "Setting the Scene" (day 1), "ICTs and Civil
Society -Contextualising Challenges and Opportunities" (day 1), "Shaping the
Information Society" (day 2) and "The Road Ahead" (day 3), will focus on
broad national and international ICT and development issues. These sessions
will highlight the context for the rest of the conference programme, and
senior representatives from government, the private sector and civil society
will be invited to make presentations in this regard.

The breakaway sessions will be organised around the following three themes
or "tracks" and corresponding session topics:

ICT Policy - Internet Rights, Open Source, and World Summit on the
Information Society (WSIS);

Managing Technology - Technology Planning, Skills Development and Training,
and Tips, Tools & Techniques for Technology;

Online Environment - Advocacy, Internet Fundraising, and Communication and
Marketing.

SANGONeT will invite speakers who are experts in their respective fields to
share and highlight their practical local and international ICT experiences.

The conference is aimed at senior staff and technical employees in the CSO
sector as well as individuals who work with these organisations, including
international funding agencies, the private sector and government.

Approximately 300 people will attend the event.

Refer to the conference website for the draft conference programme and
registration information - www.sangonet.org.za/conference2005

We look forward to your participation in this important civil society event.

For more information and to register for the conference, please contact the
Conference Secretariat:

Anelja de Bok
Go Girl Events
Tel: (011) 326-4379
Fax: (011) 326-1082
E-mail: anelja@gogirlevents.co.za

David Barnard
SANGONeT
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From beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar  Wed Jan 19 01:24:19 2005
From: beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar (Beatriz Busaniche)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <41EC146D.6020407@wz-berlin.de>
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El lun, 17-01-2005 a las 20:39 +0100, Jeanette Hofmann escribi?:

> I'd wish we would stop this discussion. To me it seems quite destructive 
> and seems not lead anywhere.


Dear Jeanette

It seems that you are not alone in this feeling.

Over the last few days, I have received private e-mails of support from
several people who seem not to know each other, telling me that the IG
caucus didn't send all the topical caucus' nominations to Kummer, but
rather one-sidedly put them under the "connector" label, and that the
only formal candidates for the WGIG came from the IG caucus, LAC (not
the official, but the closed one), and arab caucus.

What is surprising and sad about these e-mails is that these people seem
not to dare express their view in public, and honestly, judging from the
public response we have gotten from some members of this list, trying to
discredit the PCT caucus candidates as extremist loons for example, I
can't say that I blame them.

I would like this discussion to end, too. But I think that saying that
the *discussion* is destructive, is misleading. It's the make-believe
democratic process through which the WGIG was selected that is
destructive. It's the bait-and-switch operation of first taking PCT
issues out of the agenda, then bringing them back. It's the lack of
ability for self-criticism of the people involved in the process that is
destructive. It's the unprovoked name-calling that is destructive.

We started this process as a diverse group of motivated allies trying to
help shape WSIS in a way that would be good for the people, not just
corporations and governments. Yet over the last few years, we have
managed to create an invisible power structure that intimidates
participants and effectively suppresses dissens, all the while
preserving the illusion of participatory, egalitarian cooperation.
Watching this mess all around me, I can't help it feeling ashamed for
all of us. 

So maybe we should just stop this discussion dead on its track. But if
we do, if we just let things like this happen... what exactly are we
here for?

Abrazos.




From cnd at knowprose.com  Wed Jan 19 03:31:25 2005
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <1106097859.4324.160.camel@localhost>
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Message-ID: <41EDD48D.4050700@knowprose.com>

Beatriz Busaniche wrote:

>El lun, 17-01-2005 a las 20:39 +0100, Jeanette Hofmann escribi?:
>  
>
>Over the last few days, I have received private e-mails of support from
>several people who seem not to know each other, telling me that the IG
>caucus didn't send all the topical caucus' nominations to Kummer, but
>rather one-sidedly put them under the "connector" label, and that the
>only formal candidates for the WGIG came from the IG caucus, LAC (not
>the official, but the closed one), and arab caucus.
>  
>
Umm. I'm a part of the LAC. And the reason that the LAC probably got
formal candidates in is because they presented them in a manner which
suits the system. I had no hand in that process, but I do know the
people involved. There is a reason that the 'Closed LAC' exists, and a
lot of it has to do with perceptions that are not being helped with
side-swipes.

However, I have gotten a few emails offlist, and there is concern about
the WGIG selection. Unfortunately, until people speak up in a public
fashion, there can be nothing said or done about it - so it's
meaningless sending me these emails. Send them to the list instead. I
expect Beatriz has given the same advice.

>What is surprising and sad about these e-mails is that these people seem
>not to dare express their view in public, and honestly, judging from the
>public response we have gotten from some members of this list, trying to
>discredit the PCT caucus candidates as extremist loons for example, I
>can't say that I blame them.
>  
>
I think the PCT caucus has done fairly well, actually, and I don't see
how adding another name ('extremist loon'?!) helps matters for the PCT
caucus. I'd have to say extremist was one point made by a few people,
but not the 'loon' part. Of course, that could be seen as Canadian
extremists as well. A loon is a duck by another name. I digress.

>I would like this discussion to end, too. But I think that saying that
>the *discussion* is destructive, is misleading. It's the make-believe
>democratic process through which the WGIG was selected that is
>destructive. It's the bait-and-switch operation of first taking PCT
>issues out of the agenda, then bringing them back. It's the lack of
>ability for self-criticism of the people involved in the process that is
>destructive. It's the unprovoked name-calling that is destructive.
>  
>
There really hasn't been serious discussion. There was some apparent
segues that kept things from being said outright. Further, the only
caucus that has really taken this to task has been the PCT. If there are
other caucuses that share these concerns, it would certainly be
constructive for discussion if the emails sent were to the list instead
of to private parties.

>We started this process as a diverse group of motivated allies trying to
>help shape WSIS in a way that would be good for the people, not just
>corporations and governments. Yet over the last few years, we have
>managed to create an invisible power structure that intimidates
>participants and effectively suppresses dissens, all the while
>preserving the illusion of participatory, egalitarian cooperation.
>Watching this mess all around me, I can't help it feeling ashamed for
>all of us. 
>  
>
You should really see this from where I'm sitting. I've come in late to
see... this. This is a 'Your NGO is invited but your friend can't come'
sort of thing. There's little transparency outside of the WSIS process,
much less (apparently) within the process.

The credibility of the WSIS is certainly at stake. The people being
represented don't need castles in the sky, they need concrete on the ground.

>So maybe we should just stop this discussion dead on its track. But if
>we do, if we just let things like this happen... what exactly are we
>here for?
>  
>
Of late, I think that this is the question that is disturbing me the most.

What's also quite disturbing is the lack of discussion so far regarding
Robert Guerra's comments on weblogs and such - which is something Free
Software excels at. Perhaps it is time for *everyone* to be a bit more
transparent (and yes, I include the closed LAC caucus with that), and
that's something I can say with deferential equality. For my part, I've
seen little transparency from anyone, and also a lack of communication
with the general public at all levels.

-- 
Taran Rampersad

cnd@knowprose.com

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From thomas at thomasruddy.org  Wed Jan 19 08:27:22 2005
From: thomas at thomasruddy.org (Thomas Ruddy)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:20 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] link between WSIS and disaster reduction
Message-ID: <20050119082723.30667.qmail@web53807.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear all,

For those of you who don't know me, let me begin by
saying I am convenor of the WSIS Civil Society Working
Group on ICT and the Environment,
http://www.wsis.ethz.ch

Our group would like to call your attention to the
fact that yesterday in Kobe, Japan, the ITU strove to
"Highlight the positive causal link between the World
Summit on the Information Society and disaster
reduction",
http://www.itu.int/newsroom/press_releases/2005/Advisory-01.html

Cluster Session 5.4,
http://www.unisdr.org/wcdr/thematic-sessions/cluster5.htm

Some members in our Working Group on ICT and the
Environment are likewise interested in pursuing
further the links between WSIS and disaster reduction
that are already in the WSIS Plan of Action, under 18.
E-health, f, and 20. E-environment, c. 

Your comments are welcome. Check out our Website,
http://www.wsis.ethz.ch

Regards,
Thomas

From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Wed Jan 19 12:05:57 2005
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PrepCom2 Registration Form
Message-ID: <41E5802C000A2016@mail4.bluewin.ch> (added by postmaster@bluewin.ch)

Dear ALL,

 

As some of you could not open our previous Registration form for PC2, please
find below the form to be filled and sent in due time for REGISTRATION with
the PrepCom2, 17-25 Feb Geneva:
http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/accreditation/ecosoc-form.html

 

Hope this works well this time. 

 

Further should you require more information or should you encounter any
other problems, please let us know.

 

Kind regards

Adina Fulga Radi

CONGO Officer WSIS CS Secretariat

Tel:  + 41 22 301 10 00

Fax: + 41 22 301 20 00 

 

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President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
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CH-1202 Geneva
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Fax: +41 22 301 2000
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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Wed Jan 19 13:13:59 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
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Il giorno mar, 18-01-2005 alle 22:24 -0300, Beatriz Busaniche ha
scritto:
> I would like this discussion to end, too. But I think that saying that
> the *discussion* is destructive, is misleading. It's the make-believe
> democratic process through which the WGIG was selected that is
> destructive. It's the bait-and-switch operation of first taking PCT
> issues out of the agenda, then bringing them back. It's the lack of
> ability for self-criticism of the people involved in the process that is
> destructive. It's the unprovoked name-calling that is destructive.

I think that your message is neither fair nor constructive. Milton may
have questioned your approach, but never questioned your honesty. On the
other hand, you seem to give for granted that everyone except the PCT
caucus is acting in bad faith, and this is something that I, personally
and for what regards myself, cannot accept so easily.

This said, let's stop here and let's talk about PrepCom2 organization
instead. Again, I hope we can meet in Geneva and talk, which is likely
to generate more reciprocal understanding.
-- 
vb.             [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...


From karenb at gn.apc.org  Wed Jan 19 16:26:07 2005
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] E-Forum on Measuring the Impact of Development Communication
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050119162410.048057c0@pop.gn.apc.org>

dear all

the following might be of interest to those of you working impact 
assessment and development of indicators..

also pertinent i think in relation to the preparatory process of WSIS phase II

karen

>The World Bank, the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations
>(FAO), the Communication Initiative (CI) and the Department for International
>Development (DFID) invite you to join an E-Forum on Measuring the Impact of
>Development Communication, during a two-week period between January 17 and 
>28,
>2005.
>
>This is one of the major themes that will be addressed at the World 
>Congress on
>Communication for Development to be held in Rome, Autumn 2005. The input from
>the e-forum will feed into the design of the Congress.
>
>The E-Forum will be organized around two main topics:
>
>Quantitative Assessments of the Impact of Communication, and
>Qualitative Assessments of the Impact of Communication.
>
>This e-Forum is intended to debate and, if possible, bring out evidence on 
>the
>effectiveness of communication in development interventions. It aims to bring
>together the experiences, information and perspectives of development
>practitioners, decision-makers, academicians and communication specialists
>representing various national institutions, NGOs, international 
>institutions and
>donors active in the field of development.
>
>Moreover, the e-Forum intends to:
>    stimulate the debate on how to assess the impact of communication in
>    development initiatives;
>    help to raise awareness of the need to focus efforts in demonstrating the
>    value of communication, searching for methods and techniques that can 
> provide
>    valid measurements, both at the quantitative and qualitative level;
>    compare and contrast the data so far available on this subject.
>
>
>To register please click here:
><http://info.worldbank.org/etools/devforum-reg_wccd1/reg.htm>http://info.worldbank.org/etools/devforum-reg_wccd1/reg.htm 
>
>
>
>For more information about the e-Forum click here:
><http://www.worldbank.org/developmentcommunications/where1/environment/e-forumjan05.htm>http://www.worldbank.org/developmentcommunications/where1/environment/e-forumjan05.htm 
>



From ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es  Wed Jan 19 17:26:10 2005
From: ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es (Lady Murrugarra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] The role of Teachers in the Knowledge Society
Message-ID: <20050119172610.87197.qmail@web26501.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

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From thomas at thomasruddy.org  Wed Jan 19 17:31:22 2005
From: thomas at thomasruddy.org (Thomas Ruddy)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] E-Forum on Measuring the Impact of Development Communication
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050119162410.048057c0@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <000001c4fe4c$b2e72980$fea1a73e@RIGGENBACH>

Dear all,
Karen's tip refers to a Website that links to an event that coincides with
the latter part of PrepCom 2 in Germany, in case anyone wants to attend
both:

February 17-24, 2005: WSIS PrepCom 2, Geneva, Switzerland 

February 21-25, 2005: 4-day workshop on a "Participatory Approach to
Monitoring and Evaluation using Outcome Mapping (OM), which has been used in
projects, programs and organisations in Latin America, Africa and Asia", in
Lebensgarten, an "ecologically sound and economically viable human
settlement" between Bremen and Hanover, Germany,
http://www.ultimoround.com/outcome-mapping/index.html

Ralf Bendrath, you know how to get from Geneva to Bremen, right?

Regards,
Thomas Ruddy,  Switzerland,  http://www.wsis.ethz.ch/calendar.htm  
========================================
> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On
> Behalf Of karen banks
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:26 PM
> To: apcteam@lists.apc.org; apc.forum@lists.apc.org
> Cc: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] E-Forum on Measuring the Impact of Development
> Communication
> 
> dear all
> 
> the following might be of interest to those of you working impact
> assessment and development of indicators..
> 
> also pertinent i think in relation to the preparatory process of WSIS
> phase II
> 
> karen
> 
> >The World Bank, the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United
> Nations
> >(FAO), the Communication Initiative (CI) and the Department for
> International
> >Development (DFID) invite you to join an E-Forum on Measuring the Impact
> of
> >Development Communication, during a two-week period between January 17
> and
> >28,
> >2005.
> >
> >This is one of the major themes that will be addressed at the World
> >Congress on
> >Communication for Development to be held in Rome, Autumn 2005. The input
> from
> >the e-forum will feed into the design of the Congress.
> >
> >The E-Forum will be organized around two main topics:
> >
> >Quantitative Assessments of the Impact of Communication, and
> >Qualitative Assessments of the Impact of Communication.
> >
> >This e-Forum is intended to debate and, if possible, bring out evidence
> on
> >the
> >effectiveness of communication in development interventions. It aims to
> bring
> >together the experiences, information and perspectives of development
> >practitioners, decision-makers, academicians and communication
> specialists
> >representing various national institutions, NGOs, international
> >institutions and
> >donors active in the field of development.
> >
> >Moreover, the e-Forum intends to:
> >    stimulate the debate on how to assess the impact of communication in
> >    development initiatives;
> >    help to raise awareness of the need to focus efforts in demonstrating
> the
> >    value of communication, searching for methods and techniques that can
> > provide
> >    valid measurements, both at the quantitative and qualitative level;
> >    compare and contrast the data so far available on this subject.
> >
> >
> >To register please click here:
> ><http://info.worldbank.org/etools/devforum-
> reg_wccd1/reg.htm>http://info.worldbank.org/etools/devforum-
> reg_wccd1/reg.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >For more information about the e-Forum click here:
> ><http://www.worldbank.org/developmentcommunications/where1/environment/e-
> forumjan05.htm>http://www.worldbank.org/developmentcommunications/where1/e
> nvironment/e-forumjan05.htm
> >
> 
> 
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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Wed Jan 19 18:00:18 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Virtual news & Gender gap
In-Reply-To: <41EDD48D.4050700@knowprose.com>
References: <s1e9acf9.027@gwia201.syr.edu>
 <m3zmz92vkn.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org>	 <41EC146D.6020407@wz-berlin.de>
 <1106097859.4324.160.camel@localhost> <41EDD48D.4050700@knowprose.com>
Message-ID: <p06200727be1450823248@[192.168.1.251]>

http://www.privaterra.org/activities/wsis/blog/virtual_news___gender_gap.html

Virtual news & Gender gap

It is always good to have a new set of eyes look at a problem, and 
the WSIS is no different.

Taran Rampersad, a CS colleague from the Caribbean has posted several 
messages recently related to the real lack of news and information 
that is available to the general public about what is going on in 
WSIS. He's of the opinion that it is still very much an insider's game

To a large extent I would agree. What to do next is the question. Do 
we try to spend time to analyze why, or take specific concrete 
actions in the short term to try to ameliorate the communications 
issue. I'll leave the former to the academics, and put my efforts in 
with the latter option.

That being said, what I commit to do - is to proactively engage those 
who have expressed an interest in blogs, wikis and virtual 
collaboration to see what concrete things we can come up with before, 
during and after the PrepCom.

Who's expressed interest so far:

Blogs - Taran Rampersad, Andy Carvin, Rik Panganiban
Wiki - Andy Carvin
Virtual Collaboration - Derrick Cogburn

In looking at the three items and the initial list of who's involved 
reveals an all too frequent issue....that of lack of gender balance. 
Making this point known those involved in the gender caucus could be 
a first start, and is something i'll do. I hope that with their help, 
advice and expertise we'll be able to narrow the gender gap we seem 
to have now.
-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From juana at conectas.org  Wed Jan 19 19:35:17 2005
From: juana at conectas.org (Juana Kweitel)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Virtual news & Gender gap
References: <s1e9acf9.027@gwia201.syr.edu> <m3zmz92vkn.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org>	 <41EC146D.6020407@wz-berlin.de> <1106097859.4324.160.camel@localhost> <41EDD48D.4050700@knowprose.com> <p06200727be1450823248@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <000f01c4fe5e$0170d810$665aa8c0@JUANA>

Please, can somebody help me to unsuscribe to this list?
Thank you!
Juana

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Guerra" <rguerra@lists.privaterra.org>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 4:00 PM
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Virtual news & Gender gap


>
http://www.privaterra.org/activities/wsis/blog/virtual_news___gender_gap.html
>
> Virtual news & Gender gap
>
> It is always good to have a new set of eyes look at a problem, and
> the WSIS is no different.
>
> Taran Rampersad, a CS colleague from the Caribbean has posted several
> messages recently related to the real lack of news and information
> that is available to the general public about what is going on in
> WSIS. He's of the opinion that it is still very much an insider's game
>
> To a large extent I would agree. What to do next is the question. Do
> we try to spend time to analyze why, or take specific concrete
> actions in the short term to try to ameliorate the communications
> issue. I'll leave the former to the academics, and put my efforts in
> with the latter option.
>
> That being said, what I commit to do - is to proactively engage those
> who have expressed an interest in blogs, wikis and virtual
> collaboration to see what concrete things we can come up with before,
> during and after the PrepCom.
>
> Who's expressed interest so far:
>
> Blogs - Taran Rampersad, Andy Carvin, Rik Panganiban
> Wiki - Andy Carvin
> Virtual Collaboration - Derrick Cogburn
>
> In looking at the three items and the initial list of who's involved
> reveals an all too frequent issue....that of lack of gender balance.
> Making this point known those involved in the gender caucus could be
> a first start, and is something i'll do. I hope that with their help,
> advice and expertise we'll be able to narrow the gender gap we seem
> to have now.
> -- 
> ###
> Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
> Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>
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>
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From accuosto at chasque.net  Wed Jan 19 22:40:01 2005
From: accuosto at chasque.net (WSIS Papers)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Boletin WSISPapers No.4 - Patentes y derechos de autor aplicados al software
Message-ID: <030101c4fe77$cfd7b480$4704a8c0@paullier.net>

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     Bolet?n de WSIS Papers - Enero 2005 No.4
------------------------------------------------------------------

En este n?mero: SOFTWARE: PATENTES Y DERECHOS DE AUTOR

Contenido:

- Patentes de software y derecho de autor: Recursos de informaci?n
- El debate en Europa
- Organizaciones sin fines de lucro involucradas
- Alternativas a los sistemas tradicionales de derecho de autor
- Organizaci?n Mundial de la Propiedad Intelectual (OMPI)
- Organizaci?n Mundial de Comercio (OMC)
- Oficinas de patentes

Disponible en l?nea en:

                         http://wsispapers.choike.org/

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Las leyes de copyright protegen la expresi?n del contenido, a diferencia del
contenido en s? mismo. Los trabajos bajo protecci?n pueden expresar ideas,
conocimiento o m?todos que pueden ser libremente utilizados; lo que las
leyes de copyright prohiben es la reproducci?n total o parcial de esos
trabajos -ya sea modificados o no- sin consentimiento. Con el modelo de
copyright coexiste el sistema de patentes, que otorga derechos de monopolio
sobre una invenci?n (por un per?odo aproximado de 20 a?os, dependiendo del
pa?s). Los due?os de la patente deciden qui?n puede usar sus invenciones y
fijan un precio por ello.

Los defensores del sistema de patentes argumentan que ?stas promueven la
innovaci?n poniendo las invenciones a disposici?n del  p?blico. Sin embargo,
cada vez m?s se esuchan voces en contra de este sistema ya que ?nicamente
las grandes corporaciones son capaces de pagar los costos que implica el
mantenimiento de las patentes (incluyendo los costos legales de los
procedimientos judiciales para impedir su violaci?n). M?s a?n,
hist?ricamente, las patentes han sido utilizadas para impedir el desarrollo
de lo que puede aparecer como un potencial competidor de tecnolog?as ya
desarrolladas y que son propiedad de compa??as que dominan un sector
determinado.

El debate sobre la patentabilidad del software y su impacto en la innovaci?n
tecnol?gica no es nuevo. En 1994, la Ronda Uruguay del GATT culmin? con la
inclusi?n de un acuerdo sobre aspectos relativos al comercio de los derechos
de propiedad intelectual (TRIPS, por su sigla en ingl?s). Los pa?ses m?s
industrializados (en particular los Estados Unidos y Jap?n) jugaron un rol
fundamental en la adopci?n de este acuerdo, que es obligatorio para todos
los miembros de la Organizaci?n Mundial del Comercio (OMC) (de los cuales
73% son pa?ses en v?as de desarrollo). Particularmente, el art?culo 271.1
del acuerdo de TRIPS es visualizado como un mecanismo legal para justificar
la patentabilidad de una serie de innovaciones, incluidos los programas de
computadoras.

A pesar de que muchos observadores piden una extensa revisi?n de este
acuerdo ?sto no ha sido obst?culo para que grandes corporaciones de software
se unan a grupos de abogados especialzados en propiedad intelectual y
ejerzan presi?n sobre los gobiernos para que ?stos legislen a favor de la
regulaci?n del software en foros internacionales, tales como la OMC, o para
impulsar medidas en esa direcci?n a trav?s de las oficinas de patentes.
Estas oficinas, por otro lado, no son financiadas con dinero p?blico, sino
que gran parte de sus ingresos provienen de los costos de mantenimiento de
las patentes, un gran porcentaje del cual proviene de las grandes
corporaciones.

Adem?s de lo antedicho, el proceso de otorgaci?n de patentes al software ha
sido muy poco transparente. En Europa, por ejemplo, a pesar de que el
sistema de patentes se encuentra regulado por la Convenci?n de Patentes de
Munich, que estableci? la Oficina Europea de Patentes y proh?be expresamente
las patentes de software, ?sta misma oficina ha otorgado miles de patentes
relacionadas a programas de computadoras, poniendo en juego consideraciones
tales c?mo qu? innovaciones se consideran aplicables industrialmente,
definiciones que pueden variar de pa?s en pa?s y que pueden depender de
consideraciones ling??sticas y terminol?gicas complejas.

En el 2002, la Comisi?n Europea present? una propuesta para una Directiva
"sobre la patentabilidad de invenciones implementadas para computadoras" que
legalizar?a las patentes de software en Europa. Organizaciones de la
sociedad civil aunaron fuerzas para manifestar su oposici?n a esta
iniciativa, que hubiera implementado en Europa un sistema similar al vigente
en Estados Unidos y Jap?n. El 24 de setiembre del 2003 el Parlamento Europeo
vot? la incorporaci?n de un conjunto de enmiendas a la Directiva reafirmando
la no-patentabilidad de los m?todos de programaci?n y comercio y
salvaguardando  la libertad de publicaci?n e interoperaci?n. De cualquier
forma, el debate sobre patentes de software en Europa est? lejos de
concluir.

Si miramos c?mo los pa?ses del sur son afectados por la expansi?n de los
"Derechos de Propiedad Intelectual" (DPI) promovidos por los pa?ses
industrializados a trav?s de la Organizaci?n Mundial de Propiedad
Intelectual (OMPI) vemos que, lejos de alentar la inversi?n directa y
estimular la transferencia de tecnolog?a, se crea una verdadera ilusi?n en
ese sentido, a trav?s del movimiento de fondos y tecnolog?a desde y hacia
compa??as madre de corporaciones internacionales y sus subsidiarias
extranjeras. Las compa??as  m?s peque?as, por su parte, son forzadas a
destinar partes significativas de sus presupuestos al pago de licencias,
limitando as? las iniciativas de desarrollo local. Es m?s, cuando se
argumenta a favor de la extensi?n de DPIs a la informaci?n cient?fica y
educativa, lo que est? ahora en el tapete, el futuro de los pa?ses menos
industrializados se vuelve a?n m?s oscuro, ya que arriesgan quedar atrapados
en su rol de consumidores de tecnolog?as producidas en el Norte.

En agosto del 2004 pa?ses del Sur liderados por Brasil y Argentina
presentaron una propuesta para una Agenda de Desarrollo en la OMPI. Algunas
de estas propuestas contemplaban especialmente las preocupaciones de los
pa?ses en v?as de desarrollo, mientras que otras apuntaban a re-direccionar
la OMPI de forma de dar m?s peso a los intereses p?blicos generales y de los
consumidores, incluyendo patentes y copyrights. En octubre del 2004 la
Asamblea General de la OMPI tom? la decisi?n de crear una r?pida evaluaci?n
de la Agenda de Desarrollo, lo que abre una oportunidad para promover
cambios en las pol?ticas de la organizaci?n. Anteriormente a la decisi?n de
la Asamblea General, cientos de cient?ficos, acad?micos, organizaciones sin
fines de lucro e individuos firmaron la "Declaraci?n de Ginebra sobre el
Futuro de la OMPI" que llama a la organizaci?n a focalizar m?s las
necesidades de los pa?ses en v?as de desarrollo y a considerar la propiedad
intelectual como uno de muchos instrumentos para el desarrollo y no como un
fin en s? mismo.

Las tecnolog?as de la informaci?n y la comunicaci?n (TICs) tienen un rol
cada vez m?s protag?nico como formas de compartir conocimiento e informaci?n
y muchos consideran que la limitaci?n al acceso a estas tecnolog?as es una
violaci?n de derechos fundamentales. El futuro del flujo de informaci?n y
comunicaci?n en el Sur depende, en gran medida, de que se encuentren
soluciones adecuadas a estas problem?ticas, que deber?an estar en el centro
de los debates sobre gobernanza global de TICs en la Cumbre Mundial sobre
la Sociedad de la Informaci?n (CMSI)

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*  Listado de art?culos sobre aspectos legales de las patentes de software
Sitio de IurisLex (Servidor de la Comunidad Jur?dica en Internet)
-->
http://www.iurislex.net/search.php?query=patentes&topic=4&category=0&author=&days=0&type=stories

*  Diez razones para oponerse a las patentes de software
Fuente: El Mundo
Javier Candeira
Art?culo de opini?n donde se explican los motivos por los que se considera
perjudicial la legislaci?n que habilita la patentabilidad del software.
--> http://www.el-mundo.es/navegante/2000/10/19/razones2.html

*  El software como bien p?blico y no como emprendimiento comercial
Fuente: APC
Este art?culo analiza c?mo "en la pr?ctica el copyright suele utilizarse
para proteger o fortalecer un modelo mercantil en particular que separa al
creador de contenidos de su p?blico y que impone el poder de un
intermediario"
--> http://www.apc.org/espanol/rights/ip/index.shtml

*  ?Por qu? las patentes de software son un problema?
El autor sostiene que el impacto de las patentes de software sobre el
desarrollo de software y sobre la mejora de las tecnolog?as del software es
claramente negativo y que no hay ning?n estudio en su conocimiento que
muestre un impacto positivo de las patentes sobre el desarrollo tecnol?gico
en el caso espec?fico de las tecnolog?as de software.
--> http://proinnova.hispalinux.es/nopatentes-motivos.html

*  Patentes, marcas o derechos de autor
El autor sostiene que la protecci?n de las marcas constituye el mecanismo
id?neo para organizar el sector del software especialmente desde la
perspectiva del software libre.
--> http://gsyc.escet.urjc.es/~grex/sobre-libre/patentes.html

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*  Proinnova
Proinnova es un grupo de inter?s de las asociaciones espa?olas Hispalinux y
de ATI (Asociaci?n de T?cnicos en Inform?tica), a favor de la libertad de
innovaci?n. Actualmente mantiene (entre otras) una campa?a a favor de una
Europa libre de patentes de programaci?n. El sitio cuenta con informaci?n
actualizada sobre el desarrollo del debate en Europa.
--> http://proinnova.hispalinux.es/

*  Patentabilidad de invenciones implementadas en computadoras
Fuente: Uni?n Europea
Sitio oficial de la Uni?n Europea con informaci?n oficial sobre el tema.
Incluye la propuesta original de directiva sobre las patentes de software en
Europa, asi como informaci?n sobre sus modificaciones. Parte del material
est? disponible s?lo en ingl?s, franc?s o alem?n.
--> http://www.europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/en/indprop/comp/index.htm

*  Dossier sobre Patentes de Software en Europa
Sitio de la Alianza EuroLinux que incluye informaci?n legal sobre las
patentes de software en Europa, as? como un relevamiento de patentes
otorgadas por parte de la Oficina Europea de Patentes en casos discutibles.
--> http://www.noepatents.org/reference/index.html?LANG=es

*  Documentos de la "European Free Alliance" en el Parlamento Europeo sobre
la patentabilidad del software
Fuente: The Greens - European Free Alliance
Links a campa?as, conferencias y varios recursos de informaci?n, en ingl?s y
franc?s.
--> http://www.greens-efa.org/en/issues/?id=14

*  Salvando a Europa de las patentes de software
Fuente: Free Software Foundation
Art?culo de Richard Stallman sobre el proyecto de directiva europea para
legalizar las patentes de software.
--> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/savingeurope.es.html

*  Un patente sinsentido
Fuente: Hiperactivo!
Art?culo de opini?n en contra de las patentes de software en Europa.
--> http://www.baquia.com/com/20001219/art00001.html

*  Petici?n por una Europa Libre de Patentes de Software
Campa?a organizada por la Alianza EuroLinux, compa??as y organizaciones
europeas para hacer llegar a su preocupaci?n a las autoridades del
Parlamento Europeo. Tuvo un impacto decisivo en el debate sobre la propuesta
de directiva europea para legalizar las patentes de software.
--> http://www.noepatents.org/index_html?LANG=es

*  Alianza EuroLinux
La Alianza EuroLinux por una Infraestructura de Informaci?n Libre es una
coalici?n abierta de empresas y asociaciones sin ?nimo de lucro que se han
unido para promocionar y proteger la cultura del software libre. Los
miembros o patrocinadores corporativos de EuroLinux desarrollan o venden
software bajo licencias libres, semi-libres y propietarias para sistemas
operativos como GNU/Linux, MacOS v MS Windows.
--> http://www.eurolinux.org/index.es.html

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*  Fundaci?n para el Software Libre (FSF)
El Proyecto GNU comenz? en 1984 con el prop?sito de desarrollar un sistema
operativo completo tipo Unix el cual es software libre. Variantes del
sistema operativo GNU, que utilizan el n?cleo Linux, son bastante utilizadas
hoy d?a. La FSF es el principal patrocinador organizativo del Proyecto GNU.
--> http://www.fsf.org/home.es.html

*  Asociaci?n para el Progreso de las Comunicaciones (APC) - Derechos en
Internet
Fuente: APC
Informaci?n sobre todos los aspectos de los Derechos en Internet en la
regi?n, con apartados especiales sobre "Propiedad Intelectual".
--> http://www.apc.org/espanol/rights/lac/index.shtml

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 Alternativas a los sistemas tradicionales de derecho de autor
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*  ?Qu? es copyleft?
Copyleft es un nuevo t?rmino acu?ado por GNU. Nace de un juego de palabras
en ingl?s: en oposici?n a "copyright" (derecho de copia) se usa "copyleft"
(copia dejada o abandonada o copideje), indicando que no se restringe la
copia, sino por el contrario se permite sin reservas.
--> http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/copyleft.es.html

*  La justificaci?n econ?mica del copyleft
Jos? Cervera
Art?culo que analiza el concepto de "copyleft". Para el autor, ?ste es un
mecanismo para aumentar el valor de la informaci?n permitiendo hacer copias
de la misma; animando, incluso, a hacerlo. La ?nica condici?n es mantener el
reconocimiento de autor?a; la marca que permite al autor recibir por v?a
indirecta la recompensa por su trabajo, es decir, la atenci?n que merece.
--> http://www.jamillan.com/celcer.htm

*  Omnia sunt communia
Fuente: Wu Ming Foundation
Indice de art?culos de Wu Ming sobre copyright, propiedad intelectual y
"pirater?a". Desarrolla los conceptos de software libre y "copyleft", entre
otros.
-->
http://www.wumingfoundation.com/italiano/outtakes/tematico_copyright.html

*  Creative Commons (CC)
CC ofrece un rango flexible de formas de proteger y liberar las obras de
autores y artistas. Basado en el concepto de "todos los derechos reservados"
del copyright tradicional, CC ha creado un esquema en el que "algunos
derechos son reservados".
--> http://creativecommons.org/worldwide

*  Algunos derechos reservados: Creative Commons y propiedad intelectual
Florencio Cabello Fern?ndez-Delgado
Art?culo que explica el origen del concepto y su relaci?n con los mecanismos
tradicionales de protecci?n de los derechos de autor y la propiedad
intelectual.
--> http://www.babab.com/no25/creative_commons.php

*  Creative Commons y la profundidad del copyright
Fuente: Revista Enredando
Ariel Hern?n Vercelli
El autor analiza c?mo CC ser?a un modo de incentivar la creatividad, el arte
y la ciencia, dando una correcta regulaci?n a los trabajos de artistas,
inventores y dem?s creativos e intentando promover un r?pido aumento del
dominio p?blico.
--> http://enredando.com/cas/enredantes/enredantes178.html

*  Licencia BSD
La licencia BSD fue creada inicialmente en 1979 para la distribuci?n del
sistema BSD, la primera versi?n libre y de fuente abierta de Unix. Fue
creada por la Universidad de California en Berkeley.
--> http://www.eldemonio.org/documentos/lectura/bsd/bsdl.html

*  Licencia General GNU (GPL)
Copyleft es un concepto general y existen muchas formas de ponerlo en
pr?ctica. Los t?rminos de distribuci?n del proyecto GNU est?n especificados
en la GPL. Esta pretende garantizar la libertad del desarrollador para
compartir y modificar software libre. La GPL se aplica a la mayor parte del
software desarrollado por la Free Software Foundation.
--> http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.es.html

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*  Organizaci?n Mundial de la Propiedad Intelectual (OMPI)
Sitio oficial. Con sede en Ginebra, la OMPI es uno de los 16 organismos
especializados del sistema de organizaciones de las Naciones Unidas. Tiene a
su cargo la administraci?n de 23 tratados internacionales que abordan
diversos aspectos de la de la propiedad intelectual.
--> http://www.wipo.int/index.html.es

*  Argumentos econ?micos a favor y en contra de Derechos de Propiedad
Intelectual (DPI) en los Pa?ses en Desarrollo
Fuente: Pangea
Presenta una tabla que resume los argumentos que se esgrimen a favor de la
adopci?n de medidas de protecci?n de los derechos de propiedad intelectual
(DPI). Para cada argumento, se da una respuesta contraria, que se?ala c?mo
los DPI pueden, en realidad, transformarse en un elemento que afecte de
forma fuertemente negativa a los pa?ses en desarrollo.
--> http://www.pangea.org/edualter/material/transgenicos/cuadro.htm

*  Confinamientos de la Raz?n, monopolios intelectuales
Fuente: Rural Advancement Foundation Internacional
Una revisi?n de las diferentes interpretaciones de las implicancias de la
propiedad intelectual dentro del debate internacional. Formato PDF.
-->
http://www.biodiversidadla.org/filemanager/download/173/Confinamientos.pdf

*  La propiedad intelectual y el comercio-e
Fuente: OMPI
Este sitio de la OMPI presenta la visi?n de la organizaci?n respecto a las
patentes y derechos de autor vinculados a transaccciones electr?nicas.
Incluye una secci?n dedicada a "patentes sobre m?todos comerciales y
programas inform?ticos".
--> http://www.wipo.int/sme/es/e_commerce/

*  "Tratados Internet"
Fuente: OMPI
En esta p?gina, entre otros, se pueden acceder los tratados generales de la
OMPI que regulan el software y la circulaci?n de informaci?n en redes
digitales, tales como el "Tratado de la OMPI sobre Derecho de Autor" (WCT) y
el "Tratado de la OMPI sobre Interpretaci?n o Ejecuci?n y Fonogramas"
(WPPT). Estos tratados con frecuencia reciben el nombre de "Tratados
Internet".
--> http://www.wipo.int/treaties/es/

*  Sobre derecho de autor y derechos conexos
Fuente: OMPI
Esta p?gina de la OMPI ofrece un pantallazo sobre la visi?n de la
organizaci?n sobre la "protecci?n" de los autores de programas inform?ticos.
En ella se puede leer: "En las d?cadas de 1970 y 1980 se llevaron a cabo
amplios debates para saber si los programas inform?ticos deb?an protegerse
mediante el sistema de patentes, el sistema de derecho de autor o un sistema
sui generis. Como resultado de estos debates, se lleg? a un principio
generalmente aceptado, seg?n el cual, los programas inform?ticos deber?an
estar protegidos por el derecho de autor, mientras que los aparatos que
usaran programas inform?ticos o inventos relacionados con este tipo de
programas deber?an estar protegidos por patente".
--> http://www.wipo.org/copyright/es/faq/faqs.htm

*  Una agenda de la OMPI para el desarrollo
Fuente: Choike
Pa?ses del Sur, liderados por Brasil y Argentina, lanzaron la iniciativa de
establecer una agenda de desarrollo para la Organizaci?n Mundial de la
Propiedad Intelectual (OMPI). La propuesta formal fue presentada y recogida
positivamente en la 31 Sesi?n de la Asamblea General de la OMPI el 4 de
octubre de 2004.
--> http://www.choike.org/nuevo/informes/2200.html

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*  Organizaci?n Mundial de Comercio (OMC)
Fuente: Choike
Cumpliendo con los acuerdos finales de la Ronda Uruguay del GATT (Acuerdo
General sobre Tarifas y Comercio), el 1? de enero de 1995 entr? en funciones
la Organizaci?n Mundial de Comercio (OMC). Este informe especial de Choike
brinda informaci?n actualizada sobre la organizaci?n.
--> http://www.choike.org/nuevo/informes/384.html

*  El Acuerdo TRIPs y el Comercio Internacional: efectos sobre Am?rica
Latina y el Caribe
Fuente: Sistema Econ?mico Latinoamericano (SELA)
Estudio realizado atendiendo las recomendaciones emanadas del "Seminario
sobre Interpretaci?n y Aplicaci?n del Acuerdo TRIPs en Am?rica Latina y el
Caribe" en el marco de los trabajos del Foro Regional sobre Pol?ticas de
Propiedad Intelectual de Am?rica Latina y el Caribe que funciona en el
?mbito del SELA.
--> http://lanic.utexas.edu/~sela/AA2K/ES/docs/tripdt2.htm

*  Aplicaci?n de los TRIPs en los pa?ses en desarrollo
Fuente: Tercer Mundo Econ?mico
Carlos Correa
En este art?culo el autor sostiene que los pa?ses en desarrollo deber?an
ejercer plenamente su poder negociador en la OMC para neutralizar cualquier
intento de reforzar a?n m?s el nivel actual de protecci?n que brinda el
Acuerdo sobre los Aspectos de los Derechos de Propiedad Intelectual
relacionados con el Comercio (TRIPs).
--> http://www.tercermundoeconomico.org.uy/TME-112/analisis02.htm

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 Oficinas de patentes
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*  Oficina Europea de Patentes
Sitio oficial en ingl?s, franc?s y alem?n.
--> http://www.european-patent-office.org/

*  Oficina de Patentes de Estados Unidos
Sitio oficial en ingl?s.
--> http://www.uspto.gov/

*  Base de datos de la Oficina Espa?ola de Patentes
Contiene los datos bibliogr?ficos de las patentes publicadas en los dos
?ltimos a?os en cualquier estado miembro de la Organizaci?n Europea de
Patentes, as? como las de la Oficina Europea de Patentes y los de la
Organizaci?n Mundial de la Propiedad Intelectual.
--> http://es.espacenet.com/

*  Oficina Japonesa de Patentes
En el Jap?n, los programas inform?ticos y los m?todos comerciales son
patentables "siempre y cuando se los considere t?cnicos, y no ideas
puramente abstractas". En ingl?s.
--> http://www.jpo.go.jp/

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 Especiales de Choike relacionados
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* Cumbre Mundial sobre la Sociedad de la Informaci?n (CMSI)
--> http://www.choike.org/nuevo/informes/647.html

* Organizaci?n Mundial del Comercio
--> http://www.choike.org/nuevo/informes/384.html

* GATS - Acuerdo sobre Comercio de Servicios
--> http://www.choike.org/nuevo/informes/1094.html

* Patentes y medicamentos
--> http://www.choike.org/nuevo/informes/3.html

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From accuosto at chasque.net  Wed Jan 19 22:43:43 2005
From: accuosto at chasque.net (WSIS Papers)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSISPapers Newsletter No.4 - Patents and copyright in computer programs
Message-ID: <030901c4fe78$5445aec0$4704a8c0@paullier.net>

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  WSIS Papers Newsletter - January 2005 No.4
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In this issue: SOFTWARE: PATENTS AND COPYRIGHTS

Content:

  - Software patents and copyright: Background information
  - The debate in Europe
  - Alternatives to traditional copyright
  - Non-profit organizations involved
  - The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO)
  - The World Trade Organization (WTO)
  - Other UN agencies
  - WSIS-related information

Available online at:

      http://wsispapers.choike.org/

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Copyright laws are designed to protect the expression of content, as opposed
to content itself. Protected works can express ideas, knowledge or methods
that can be used freely; what copyright laws prohibit is the partial or full
reproduction of such works -whether modified or not- without consent. In
opposition to the copyright model stands the patent system, which grants
monopoly rights over an invention (for a period of approximately 20 years,
depending on the country). Patent owners decide who can use their inventions
and set a price on that use.

Although advocates of the patent system claim that patents promote
innovation by making the invention known to the public, voices are
increasingly being raised against this system, since only large corporations
can afford the costs involved in patent maintenance (including the legal
costs of court proceedings to prevent patent violation). Moreover,
historically, patents have been used to prevent the development of what
might be seen as potential competitors of established technologies owned by
dominant companies in a given sector.

The debate over software patentability and its impact on technological
innovation is not new. In the year 1994, the Uruguay GATT Round closed with
the inclusion of an agreement on trade-related aspects of intellectual
property rights (TRIPS). Most industrialized countries (in particular, the
United States and Japan) played an instrumental role in the adoption of this
agreement, which must be compulsorily enforced by all member countries of
the World Trade Organization (WTO) (73% of which are developing countries).
In particular, article 27.1 of the TRIPS agreement has been construed as a
legal means to justify the patentability of a range of innovations,
including computer programs. The fact that many observers call for a full
revision of this agreement does not deter large software corporations from
joining influential groups of lawyers specializing in intellectual property
or lobbying some governments to advocate in favour of software regulation in
international forums, such as the WTO, or to push patent offices to adopt
measures in this direction. These offices are not financed by public funds.
On the contrary, they derive a substantial part of their income from patent
maintenance costs, a considerable percentage of which comes from a few large
corporations.

In addition, the process of granting software patents has lacked
transparency. In Europe, for instance, even though patent issues were
regulated by the Munich Patent Convention, which established the European
Patent Office (EPO) and expressly prohibited software patenting, thousands
of computer program-related patents have been granted by that same office.
This brings into play issues such as what innovations may be considered
industrially applicable, definitions that can vary from country to country,
and can depend even on linguistic and terminological considerations.

In 2002 the European Commission submitted a proposal for a Directive "on the
patentability of computer-implemented inventions" which would legalize
software patents in Europe. Civil society organizations joined forces to
voice their opposition against this initiative, which would have implemented
in Europe a system similar to the one in force in the United States and
Japan. On 24 September 2003, the European Parliament voted to incorporate a
set of amendments into the Directive, reaffirming the non-patentability of
programming and business logic and upholding freedom of publication and
interoperation. Still, the debate in Europe with regard to software patents
is far from being over.

Furthermore, if we take a look at how Southern countries are affected by the
expansion of "Intellectual Property Rights" (IPR), spurred by industrialized
countries through the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO), we
can see that far from encouraging direct investment and stimulating transfer
of technology, an illusion of such phenomena is created through the movement
of funds and technology to and from parent companies of multinational
corporations and their foreign subsidiaries. The smallest companies, for
their part, are forced to allocate a significant portion of their budgets to
paying for licenses, thereby greatly curbing local development initiatives.
Moreover, when arguments are wielded in favour of extending IPRs to
scientific and educational information, which is currently in the public
domain, the future of the least industrialized countries turns even bleaker,
as they risk being trapped in their role of consumers of Northern-produced
technologies.

In August 2004, governments of Southern countries, led by Brazil and
Argentina, presented a proposal for a Development Agenda at WIPO. Some of
the proposals specially addressed the concerns of developing countries,
while others aimed to redirect WIPO to give more weight to general consumers
' and public interests, including patents and copyrights. On October 2004,
the WIPO General Assembly issued a decision that creates a rapid evaluation
of the Development Agenda. This opens an opportunity to promote changes in
WIPO's policies. Prior to the General Assembly meeting hundreds of
nonprofits, scientists, academics and other individuals had signed the
"Geneva Declaration on the Future of WIPO," which calls on WIPO to focus
more on the needs of developing countries, and to view IP as one of many
tools for development - not as an end in itself.

When ICTs are being consolidated as a means to share knowledge and
information, limiting access to these technologies is seen by many as a
violation of fundamental rights. The future of the flow of information and
communication in the South largely depends on finding solutions to these
issues, which should be at the heart of the debate around ICTs global
governance at the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS).

---------------------------------------------------------
 Software patents and copyrights: Background information
---------------------------------------------------------

*  Software Patents: Questions, Analyses, Proposals
What is the effect of patents on the economy in general and on software in
particular? Why do software patents tend to be so trivial? What exactly have
the rules of patentability in Europe been and how did they change? Under
what constraints is the patent system moving? What are our choices? With
this collection of articles, members and friends of the FFII workgroup on
software patents try to give answers.
--> http://swpat.ffii.org/analysis/index.en.html

*  Software Useright: Solving Inconsistencies of Software Patents
This paper gives an overview of the principles, the economic impact and the
potential juridical contradictions of patents and especially software
related patents.
--> http://smets.com/it/policy/useright/

*  Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)
Based in San Francisco, USA, EFF is a donor-supported membership
organization working to protect fundamental rights regardless of technology;
to educate the press, policymakers and the general public about civil
liberties issues related to technology; and to act as a defender of those
liberties.
--> http://www.eff.org/IP/

*  Intellectual property and computer software, a battle of competing use
and access visions for countries of the South
Source: IPRsonline.org
Alan Story
This case study produced by the UNCTAD-ICTSD Capacity Building Project on
IPRs and Sustainable Development (May 2004) claims that "intellectual
property protection" have erected a clear barrier to the spread of software
across the South. It also states that free software formats might offer
advantages for technology transfer and that they are not a mere policy
choice for developing countries but an important alternative for building,
maintaining and changing rules that govern information flows. PDF format.
--> http://www.iprsonline.org/unctadictsd/docs/CS_Story.pdf

*  Software patents: A really bad idea
Source: ZDNet
Robin Gross, IP Justice Director and former IP attorney for the Electronic
Frontier Foundation, gives a US perspective on the dangers of the EU
following North America's lead on software patent laws.
--> http://insight.zdnet.co.uk/software/developer/0,39020469,39155171,00.htm

*  Issues in the regulation of Intellectual Property Rights, Computer
Software and Electronic Commerce
Source: IPRsonline.org
Ruth L. Okediji
Among other conclusions, the author expresses that developing countries must
insist on the possibility of enacting domestic limitations to WIPO and WTO
agreements, including the application of compulsory licenses, to digital
works. PDF format.
--> http://www.iprsonline.org/unctadictsd/docs/CS_Okediji.pdf

*  The political economy of Intellectual Property protection: The case of
software
Source: London School of Economics
Kenneth Shadlen, Andrew Schrank, Marcus Kurtz
The authors perform an analysis of new transnational factors in "IP
enforcement": countries' multilateral obligations under the World Trade
Organization's IPRs provisions; and bilateral pressures from the United
States to increase the protection of IPRs. They conclude that for most
(especially developing) countries, the benefits obtained by increasing
copyright protection would appear to be outweighed by direct and indirect
costs. PDF format.
--> http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/DESTIN/pdf/WP40.pdf

*  Open Source Software: Free provision of complex public goods
Source: IPRsonline.org
James Bessen
The author states that in the case of complex goods as software, the FOSS
development model can increase social welfare. PDF format.
--> http://www.researchoninnovation.org/opensrc.pdf

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 The debate in Europe
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*  Foundation for a Free Information Infrastructure (FFII)
Non-profit association registered in Munich, devoted to spreading
data-processing literacy. FFII supports the development of public
information goods based on copyright, free competition, and open standards.
Considered the most comprehensive repository of information on the European
software patent debate.
--> http://www.ffii.org/index.en.html

*  Petition for a Software Patent Free Europe
Petition directed to the European Parliament to warn European Authorities
against the dangers of software patents. This petition was supported by the
EuroLinux Alliance, European companies and non-profit associations.
--> http://www.noepatents.org/index_html?LANG=en

*  EuroLinux Alliance
The EuroLinux Alliance for a Free Information Infrastructure is an open
coalition of commercial companies and non-profit associations united to
promote and protect a European Software Culture based on copyright, open
standards, open competition and open source software.
--> http://www.eurolinux.org/index.en.html

*  The File on Software Patents
Includes information on legal, economic and social aspects of Software
Patents.
--> http://www.noepatents.org/reference/index.html?LANG=en

*  Free Patents
Information and news on software patents in Europe.
--> http://www.freepatents.org/

*  The Greens - European Free Alliance in the European Parliament
Contains information concerning the latest Software Patentability
Conferences in Europe.
--> http://www.greens-efa.org/en/issues/?id=14

*  Free Software Foundation - Europe
The FSF Europe supports all European aspects of Free Software; especially
the GNU Project. It also provides an assistance centre for politicians,
lawyers and journalists in order to secure the legal, political and social
future of Free Software.
--> http://fsfeurope.org/

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 Alternatives to traditional copyright
-------------------------------------------------------

*  Copyleft
Copyleft is a general method for making a program free software and
requiring all modified and extended versions of the program to be free
software as well.
--> http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/copyleft.html

*  GNU General Public License
Copyleft is a general concept; there are many ways to fill in the details.
In the GNU Project, the specific distribution terms used are contained in
the GNU General Public License (GNU GPL). The GNU GPL is intended to
guarantee developer's freedom to share and change free software, to make
sure the software is free for all its users. The GPL applies to most of the
Free Software Foundation's software and to any other program whose authors
commit to using it.
--> http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html

*  Creative Commons (CC)
CC offers a flexible range of protections and freedoms for authors and
artists. Built upon the "all rights reserved" of traditional copyright CC
has created a voluntary "some rights reserved" copyright.
--> http://creativecommons.org/

*  BSD Licence
The BSD license was initially created in 1979 for the distribution of BSD
system, the first free/open version of Unix. It was created by the
University of California at Berkley.
--> http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/license.html

*  Labyrinth of Software Freedom (BSD vs GPL and social aspects of free
licensing debate)
Nikolai Bezroukov
The author compares the BSDL and GPL, and claims that "each license behaves
differently, often unpredictably for everybody including their creators, and
each provides a different set of advantages and drawbacks, depending of the
stage of the lifecycle of the software project".
--> http://www.softpanorama.org/Copyright/License_classification/index.shtml

*  OpenContent License (OPL)
This document outlines the principles underlying the OpenContent (OC)
movement and may be redistributed provided it remains unaltered. For legal
purposes, this document is the license under which OpenContent is made
available for use.
--> http://www.opencontent.org/opl.shtml

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 Non-profit organizations involved
-------------------------------------------------------

*  Free Software Foundation (FSF)
FSF's mission is to preserve, protect and promote the freedom to use, study,
copy, modify, and redistribute computer software, and to defend the rights
of Free Software users.
--> http://www.fsf.org/

*  Association for Progressive Communications (APC) - Internet Rights
Area dedicated to the Internet and ICTs for Social Justice and Development.
Includes a section on Free and Open Source Software.
--> http://www.apc.org/english/news/os_index.shtml

* Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)
Based in San Francisco, USA, EFF is a donor-supported membership
organization working to protect fundamental rights regardless of technology;
to educate the press, policymakers and the general public about civil
liberties issues related to technology; and to act as a defender of those
liberties.
--> http://www.eff.org/IP/

*  Open Source Software Educational Society
Large source of information about the Open Source initiative, includes links
to the sites of the main players.
--> http://www.softpanorama.org/index.shtml

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 The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO)
-------------------------------------------------------

*  World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO)
With headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland, WIPO is one of the 16 specialized
agencies of the United Nations system of organizations. It administers 23
international treaties dealing with different aspects of intellectual
property protection.
--> http://www.wipo.int/

*  Intellectual Property on the Internet: A Survey of Issues
Source: WIPO
Report that addresses the far-reaching impact that digital technologies -in
particular, the Internet- have had on intellectual property (IP) and the
international IP system.
--> http://www.wipo.int/copyright/ecommerce/en/ip_survey/ip_survey.html

*  WIPO Development Agenda
Source: Choike
In this report we include information on the Development Agenda proposal,
the WIPO General Assembly's resolution about it and the reactions by civil
society, scientists and other individuals around the world.
--> http://www.choike.org/nuevo_eng/informes/2313.html

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 The World Trade Organization (WTO)
-------------------------------------------------------

*  World Trade Organization (WTO)
World Trade Organization (WTO)
Source: Choike
In line with the final accords of the Uruguay Round of the GATT (General
Agreement on Tariffs and Trade), the World Trade Organization (WTO) began
operating on 1 January 1995. This report provides in-depth information about
the organization and its policies.
--> http://www.choike.org/nuevo_eng/informes/385.html

* Trade-related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPs)
Source: WTO
TRIPs material. Includes information on Intellectual Property, news and
official records of the activities of the TRIPs Council.
--> http://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/trips_e/trips_e.htm

*  Implementing TRIPs in developing countries
Source: Third World Network
Carlos Correa
With the advent of the WTO TRIPs Agreement, developing country members have
been forced to radically reform their intellectual property rights regimes.
In the event of a future revision of the TRIPs Agreement, developing
countries are advised to be well-prepared and fully exercise their
bargaining powers to neutralize any attempts to further strengthen the
current level of protection under the Agreement.
--> http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/ment-cn.htm

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 Other UN agencies
-------------------------------------------------------

*  UNCTAD: Open Source Software key to bridging digital divide
Source: UNCTAD
The UN Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) published its 228-pages
"E-Commerce and Development Report 2003" on 20 November 2003. One of the
messages of the report is that the use of free and open-source software
offers many benefits to developing countries and can be "a means of bridging
the digital divide".
--> http://r0.unctad.org/ecommerce/docs/edr03_en/ecdr03.pdf

*  UNHCHR: Intellectual property rights and human rights
The UN Sub-Commission on the Promotion and Protection of Human Rights has
issued resolution 2000/7, on human rights and intellectual property,
stressing the need to better integrate a broad variety of interests and to
rebalance economic and social interest.
-->
http://www.unhchr.ch/Huridocda/Huridoca.nsf/0/c462b62cf8a07b13c12569700046704e?Opendocument

*  UNESCO Free Software Portal
The UNESCO Free Software Portal gives access to documents and websites which
are references for the Free Software/Open Source Technology movement. It is
also a gateway to resources related to Free Software.
-->
http://portal.unesco.org/ci/en/ev.php-URL_ID=12034&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

*  UNESCO: Copyright Bulletin
The UNESCO Copyright Bulletin aims to provide regular information on legal
developments in the field of copyright and to contribute to the debate in
this area. The English, French, Chinese, Russian and Spanish versions of the
Bulletin are published as a free on-line journal.
-->
http://portal.unesco.org/culture/en/ev.php-URL_ID=5130&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

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 WSIS-related information
-------------------------------------------------------

*  Civil Society Declaration to the World Summit on the Information Society
(WSIS)
"Governments should promote the use of Free Software in schools and higher
education and in public administration. The UN should carry out a
fundamental review of the impact on poverty and human rights of current
arrangements for recognition and governance of monopolised knowledge and
information, including the work of WIPO and the functioning of the TRIPS
agreement. Efforts should be made to ensure that limited intellectual
monopolies stimulate innovation and reward initiative, rather than keeping
knowledge in private hands until it is of little use to society.[...]". PDF
format.
-->
http://www.wsis2005.org/wsis/documents/summit/WSIS-CS-Decl-25-2-04-en.pdf

*  WSIS Civil Society Working Group on Patents, Copyrights and Trademarks
(PCT)
Website of the thematic Working Group (WG) dealing with PCT and related
issues, within the framework of the World Summit on the Information Society
(WSIS).
--> http://www.wsis-pct.org/

*  Upstairs, downstairs: A perspective of the WSIS
Evan Leibovitch
"From the perspective of those advocating the use of Free and Open Source
Software (FOSS), the WSIS process certainly was not encouraging. Official
documents barely mentioned FOSS at all, burying its mention in a bland
paragraph about "increasing awareness" of various software models. Earlier
drafts that had recommended supporting or encouraging FOSS were gutted due
to pressure from proprietary software defenders such as the International
Chamber of Commerce (ICC)." Linux World
--> http://www.linuxworld.com/story/39197.htm

*  Infopaper for the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS)
World-Information.Org has produced an infopaper on "Intellectual Property"
issues largely absent from the WSIS agenda. The paper features 18 authors
who discuss different aspects of the IP with regard to their ambivalent role
in the building of a just information order: How can the information commons
be preserved in view of advancing IP regimes that benefit large corporations
and lock the former third world into a state of underdevelopment? How can
open access systems contribute to an open science environment and to free
cultural production? Why are software patents problematic?
--> http://world-information.org/wio/readme/992021819/1071762533

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 Related Choike's in-depth reports
-------------------------------------------------------

* World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS)
--> http://www.choike.org/nuevo_eng/informes/703.html

* The right to communicate
--> http://www.choike.org/nuevo_eng/informes/1215.html

* GATS - Trade in Services
--> http://www.choike.org/nuevo_eng/informes/1169.html

* World Trade Organization - WTO
--> http://www.choike.org/nuevo_eng/informes/385.html

* Patents and medicines
--> http://www.choike.org/nuevo_eng/informes/72.html

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- "WSIS Papers" and "Choike" are projects of the
Instituto del Tercer Mundo (ITeM) -  Third World Institute

- "WSIS Papers" is supported by the
International Development Research Centre (IDRC) / PanAmericas
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From lists at mraihi.com  Wed Jan 19 23:42:28 2005
From: lists at mraihi.com (Marouen MRAIHI)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Upcoming Prepcom
In-Reply-To: <p06200734be122d6667e6@[192.168.1.251]>
References: <s1e9acf9.027@gwia201.syr.edu> <m3zmz92vkn.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org>
    <41EC146D.6020407@wz-berlin.de> <p06200731be11c8aacbd7@[192.168.1.251]>
    <41EC75CA.6090304@knowprose.com>
    <p06200734be122d6667e6@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <34452.196.203.33.71.1106178148.squirrel@196.203.33.71>

Getting back to that point, putting the word "SMSI" as a watchlist for
WSIS in french isn't so right because in the Stats SMSI is more for a
company in Nasdaq. You have to check the watchlist feed you gave.

for french you should watch "Sommet mondial sur la soci?t? de
l'information" it's better.


On Tue, January 18, 2005 4:43 am, Robert Guerra said:
> At 9:34 PM -0500 1/17/05, Taran Rampersad wrote:
>
>
> Subscribe to one of the feeds i've setup below and you'll get a daily
> dosis of WSIS related blogs in Spanish, French and English...
>
> 1. "sociedad de informaci?n" (Spanish - Information Society)
>   RSS: http://www.technorati.com/watchlists/rss.html?wid=25668
>
> 2. smsi (WSIS in french)
> RSS: http://www.technorati.com/watchlists/rss.html?wid=25662
>
> 3. wsis (english)
> RSS: http://www.technorati.com/watchlists/rss.html?wid=25655
>
> regards
>
> Robert
>
>
Marouen MRAIHI
http://www.wsisyouth.org
http://www.mraihi.com


From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Thu Jan 20 06:24:11 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Information for Participants
In-Reply-To: <34452.196.203.33.71.1106178148.squirrel@196.203.33.71>
References: <s1e9acf9.027@gwia201.syr.edu>
 <m3zmz92vkn.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org>    <41EC146D.6020407@wz-berlin.de>
 <p06200731be11c8aacbd7@[192.168.1.251]>   
 <41EC75CA.6090304@knowprose.com>   
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Message-ID: <p06200731be14fe6d47ef@[192.168.1.251]>

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Original document @ 
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	Document WSIS-II/PC-2/ADM/1-E
	6 January 2005
	Original: English

WSIS Executive Secretariat
INFORMATION FOR PARTICIPANTS
Tunis phase of WSIS, PrepCom-2, 17-25 February 2005, Geneva

1	Venue

The second meeting of the Preparatory Committee (PrepCom-2) of the 
Tunis phase of the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) 
will be held at the Palais des Nations, ?Salle de l?Assembl?e? , 3rd 
floor, building A, Place des Nations, 1211 Geneva 10, from 17-25 
February 2005.

2	Participation

The WSIS PrepCom-2 meeting is open to:
i)	Representatives of States;
ii)	Observers representatives of:

?	Entities and organizations having received a standing 
invitation to participate as observers in the sessions and work of 
the United Nations General Assembly;
?	UN specialized agencies and other invited intergovernmental 
organizations;
?	UN Secretariat and organs;
?	Associate Members of Regional Commissions;
?	Accredited civil society entities (including NGOs);
?	Accredited business sector entities (including ITU Sector Members).

Accredited media and press representatives will also have access to 
the premises.

3	Accreditation process for non-governmental organizations, 
civil society and business sector entities

Information concerning the accreditation arrangements for 
participation of non-governmental organizations, civil society and 
business entities is available on the WSIS website at: 
http://www.itu.int/wsis/participation/accreditation/index.html

4	Fellowships for LDC participants and civil society representatives

At PrepCom-2, a limited number of fellowships will be available to 
government representatives from developing countries (with special 
emphasis on least developed countries, LDCs) as well as for 
representatives from civil society. Information concerning the 
conditions and procedures for these fellowships is available on the 
WSIS website at: http://www.itu.int/wsis/preparatory2/pc2/index.html

5	Press

Accreditation to the WSIS PrepCom-2 meeting is required in order to 
obtain a press badge and thereby gain admission to the meeting. Media 
accreditation will open on 15 December. The procedure for media 
accreditation along with the form to complete can be found at 
http://www.itu.int/newsroom/accredit/wsis/procedure.html. Media 
information on the meeting will be available at 
http://www.itu.int/wsis/newsroom/2/pc2/ from early February.

Media badges for PrepCom-2 will be available from 16 February 2005, 
08:30 at the WSIS Media accreditation desk of the Montbrillant 
Building of ITU Headquarters . Please note that the confirmation 
letter sent upon acceptance of media accreditation should be 
presented at the desk together with one form of photo identification, 
in order to receive WSIS Media badges.

6	Provisional timetable

The provisional timetable of PrepCom-2 will be published in due 
course on the WSIS website at: 
http://www.itu.int/wsis/preparatory2/pc2/index.html

7	Working hours
Business hours are as follows:  17-18 & 21-25 February: 10:00-13:00 & 
15:00-18:00

8	Swiss entry visas

Participants requiring a visa in order to enter Switzerland are 
reminded that they must obtain the visa before travelling to 
Switzerland. Persons from countries in which Switzerland is not 
represented (by an Embassy or Consulate) must obtain their visas in a 
third country.

The Swiss authorities have introduced new measures concerning visas. 
Visas are no longer issued at the airport, other than in exceptional 
circumstances to persons from countries in which Switzerland has no 
representation (Embassy or Consulate), and then solely on 
presentation of documentary evidence, such as a mission order from 
their administration or an official letter of invitation, to the 
effect that the person concerned is attending a meeting organized 
under the auspices of ITU.

Visa support

The ITU Secretariat can assist participants who have difficulty in 
obtaining a visa. An official request signed by the responsible 
person of the entity to be represented should be submitted to the ITU 
Secretariat (fax No. +41 22 730 6443) providing applicant details as 
follows:
?	PrepCom-2 ID Number
?	First name, Last name
?	Date of birth
?	Passport number, date of issue, date of expiry

Requests must be submitted on official headed paper, must be signed 
and stamped by the entity to be represented, and must be accompanied 
by a copy of the national passport of the applicant. Your request 
will be processed subject to receipt of the above-mentioned 
information, at least 15 days before departure.

Neither ITU nor the WSIS Executive Secretariat can intervene to 
assist with requests to have entry visas to Switzerland issued at the 
airport.

9	Registration
Pre-registration is strongly advised in order to avoid delays upon 
arrival at the meeting.

Advance registration
Registration for PrepCom-2 will begin on 5 January 2005. Participants 
should be registered on-line at 
http://www.itu.int/wsis/preparatory2/pc2/index.html  by Designated 
Focal Points for participation in the WSIS preparatory process and 
the Summit. A username and password is required to access the on-line 
system, which will be provided in due course by the Secretariat to 
your Focal Point.
On-site registration and badging

The registration and badging desk will be located at the ITU 
Montbrillant building  and will be open at the following times:
Monday-Friday, 14-18 & 21-25 February 2005	0900 to 1300 and 1400 
to 1800 hours

Pre-registered persons are requested to proceed to the registration 
desk and present an official identity document (e.g. passport or 
driving license) to obtain their badge.
Persons who have not registered before the event should proceed to 
the registration desk where they will be required to produce 
documentary evidence attesting to their employer (name of 
Administration or provisionally accredited entity/organization they 
are representing and its address) in order to obtain their badge. A 
special registration desk will be reserved for accredited media 
representatives.

The PrepCom-2 badge will also provide access to the open Plenary 
Meeting of the Working Group on Internet Governance (WGIG), scheduled 
for Monday, 14 February 1100 to 1300 hours and to the Open 
Consultations of the WGIG, scheduled for Tuesday/Wednesday 15 and 16 
February 1000 to 1300 and 1500 to 1800 hours .
Please refer to section 5 for information on media participation.

There is no registration fee for PrepCom-2. Airfare, hotel and 
miscellaneous expenses shall be borne by the participant.
Access to UNOG (Palais des Nations)

All participants need an official badge and personal identity 
document with photo to enter the Palais des Nations.
Participants without hand luggage may access the building through the 
Place des Nations and Pregny gates. Participants carrying hand 
luggage (briefcases, laptops) may access the building through the 
Pregny gate only. Suitcases are not permitted.

10	Documentation

Official documents for PrepCom-2 will be available in Arabic, 
Chinese, English, French, Russian and Spanish.
The provisional agenda and official documents will be available on 
the WSIS website at: 
http://www.itu.int/wsis/preparatory2/pc2/index.html
Upon registration, the Document Distribution Service will provide 
each participant with a complete set of documents. Further 
documentation will be made available in the meeting room(s).

11	Interpretation
Simultaneous interpretation will be available in Arabic, Chinese, 
English, French, Russian and Spanish in the plenary and sub-committee 
meetings. Interpretation in French, English and Spanish is available 
for major civil society meetings.

12	Seating arrangements
Seating will follow the UN practice. Each State will have two seats 
at table and two seats behind in the plenary hall of the meeting. 
Observers will have one seat each. Additional free seating will be 
available at the back of the room and on the balcony. Seating in the 
plenary and other meeting room(s) will be in the English alphabetical 
order.

13	Meeting room reservations
If you wish to reserve a meeting room in the Palais des Nations, 
please contact Ms Dani?le Boccard (e-mail : daniele.boccard@itu.int).

14	Cloakroom facility
A self-service cloakroom is available at the entrance of the ?Salle 
de l?Assembl?e? , building A, of the Palais de Nations. The area is 
not monitored and neither the UN, the ITU nor the WSIS Executive 
Secretariat can be held responsible for any loss or theft, which may 
occur.

15	Hotel room reservations
Participants are expected to make their own accommodation 
arrangements. A list of hotels in Geneva and the surrounding area 
that accord special rates to participants of UN meetings is available 
at the WSIS website at: http://www.itu.int/wsis/practical/travel.html

16	Climate
The climate in Geneva in February is cold, with daytime temperature 
averaging around 0 ? 8? C.

17?	Electrical appliances

The electrical current in Switzerland is 220 V/50 Hz.

18	Public transport
To call a taxi, dial 022 33 141 33. Buses 5, 8, 11, 14, 18, 28, F, V 
and Z stop at Place des Nations, as well as trams 13 and 15. Tickets 
must be bought at the bus and tram stops (correct change only) before 
boarding the bus or tram. A standard ticket for the Geneva city area 
costs 3.00 Swiss francs. Weekly passes valid for buses, trams, boat 
taxis (mouettes) and regional trains are available. Buses 18 and 28 
connect to the airport from the Place des Nations. For more 
information, see: 
http://www.tpg.ch/Internet+TPG/Anglais/EHomepage/Accueil.htm?
Trains are available from Cornavin station, connected by buses 5, 11, 
8, F, V and Z as well as Trams 13 and 15. The closest train station 
is S?cheron, next to WMO and Jardin Botanique from where Regional 
trains run to Cornavin and Nyon. For more information: 
http://www.sbb.ch/en/

19	Parking
Parking restrictions are in force in the streets adjacent to the 
Palais des Nations. To avoid fines, participants are advised to 
respect these restrictions, particularly in the area adjacent to the 
Palais des Nations main entrance. Limited parking facilities will be 
made available in the surrounding area and places will be allocated 
on a first come, first served basis.

20	Banking
Two UBS banks are located in the Palais des Nations: 1) door 6, 
building S: open from Monday to Friday 8.30-16.30; 2) door 41, 
building E, open: 8.30-2.30 and 13.30-16.30. For more information, 
see: http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs2/pc2/venue.html

21	Post office
The post office is located at Door 6, building S. Only UN stamps may 
be used here. Opening hours: 8.30-17.00. For more information, see: 
http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs2/pc2/venue.html

22	Caf?s and Restaurants
For information on the cafes, bars and restaurants in the Palais des 
Nations, see: http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs2/pc2/venue.html?


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From muguet at mdpi.org  Fri Jan 21 00:19:33 2005
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: Need to know the facts / Les Faits  Re:  [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and
 WGIG
In-Reply-To: <41EC146D.6020407@wz-berlin.de>
References: <s1e9acf9.027@gwia201.syr.edu> <m3zmz92vkn.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org> <41EC146D.6020407@wz-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <41F04A95.9020507@mdpi.org>

English / Fran?ais

Hello everybody

>
> I'd wish we would stop this discussion. To me it seems quite 
> destructive and seems not lead anywhere.
> jeanette

On the contrary, I believe that at that stage a complete explanation and
thorough investigation of the facts is required, so that similar
events shall never occur again in the WSIS CS.
It is part of the healing process otherwise the WSIS CS will be
always weakenned by unsaid suspicions. This is not an healthy background
for the next PrepCom2.

It would be very unfair that people rightfully complaining about the WGIG
process may be pictured, especially in front of newcomers at this WSIS 
stage,
as "extremists". 

 Concerning this WGIG nomination problem, it is a
*procedural matter*, a procedure that got wrong, it is not
 a content issue and to discuss whether Free Software is right or wrong,
 would simply obscured the issue.

 At the last CSB meeting in Capetown, I evoked the WGIG nomination problem
 as a *procedural matter* that the CSB should be entitled to deal with.
I believe that a formal condemnation by the CSB of the WGIG nomination 
procedure
as it has been conducted will be a first step to rebuild confidence between
 all members of the Civil Society, otherwise people would tend to believe
 that this kind of procedure corresponds to accepted practises within the
 Civil Society. It is extremely disturbing  that some people are
 frightenned to speak out. What kind of Civil Society is this ?
 Therefore, in preparation of the next PrepCom2, it seems
 quite necessary that this  scar must be healed, at least concerning
 the working methods of the Civil Society.
 it is my impression and my hope that the working group on
 CS working methods has been precisely created to
 rebuild  transparency, confidence and trust.
 
 The fact that people that should have been selected as
 members of the WGIG are not now in the WGIG is a consequence of this
 wrong procedure but this issue must be dealt separately, and
 seemingly it is going to be more difficult to repair.
 As a consequence the WGIG lacks legitimacy and credibility.
 How to fix it, I don't know. May be it is too late, but lets us not
 destroy the whole WSIS process because of what happened to
 the WGIG.  This is not the end of the world.
 After all, governance issues may be and should be fully discussed
 during the PrepCom2,  the thematic groups may get in full action
 there, the WGIG is only an advisory board, and the important thing
is that the limits of the WGIG action should be carefully  underlined
 under those circumstances. The CS WGIG members shall not
 be allowed to speak in the name of the whole WSIS Civil Society.
 Thematics groups that feel that some issues are not studied, or not
 well studied  or their opinions not represented are free to contact
 Kummer as he told himself.

 So let us be constructive. Lets heal the procedural issue by a CSB
 condemnation and go forward with a clear conscience towards
 PrepCom2, and for the WGIG composition itself, we shall see how
 the governance issues are dealt with at PrepCom2.

My account and analysis of the facts as they unfolded is documented there :
http://www.wsis-pct.org/wgig.html
I tried to be as accurate as possible, and if there is any factual
error please let me know.

I will post on a next message this account in a text format,
so that people that are not connected at the time they read
their mail can be informed too.

Best regards

Francis

----------------------------------------

Bonjour

Au contraire, je crois qu'? ce stade,  une explication compl?te des 
faits est exig?e,
de sorte que les ?v?nements semblables ne puissent  jamais se produire  
dans la SC du SMSI.
 Cela fait partie du processus de reconciliation
autrement la SC du SMSI sera toujours affaiblie par des soup?ons et des 
nondits. 
Ce n'est pas une base saine pour le prochain PrepCom2. 
Il serait tr?s injuste que les gens se plaignant l?gitimimeent au sujet 
du processus de WGIG puissent ?tre d?crits,
particuli?rement aux nouveaux venus ? cette ?tape du SMSI, comme des 
"extr?mistes". 

Pour ce qui concerne ce probl?me de nomination de WGIG, c'est  une 
*mati?re proc?durale *,
un proc?dure qui a d?rraill?e, ce n'est pas un probl?me de contenu par 
exemple
concernant  le logiciel libre, ce serait obscurcir les d?bats l'issue. 

Lors de la derni?re r?union du CSB au Cap Capetown,
j'ai ?voqu? le probl?me de nomination de WGIG comme une *  mati?re 
proc?durale *
avec laquelle le CSB devrait ?tre en droit de s'occuper.
 Je crois qu'une condamnation formelle par le CSB du proc?d? de 
nomination de WGIG
comme il a ?t? conduite serait une premi?re ?tape pour reconstruire la 
confiance
entre tous les membres de la soci?t? civile,
autrement les gens tendraient ? croire que ce genre de proc?d?
correspond ? une pratique admise chez la soci?t? civile.
 Il est extr?mement pr?occupant que certains sont effray? de parler . 
Quel genre de soci?t? civile nous batissons ? 

Par cons?quent, en pr?paration du prochain PrepCom2, il semble tout ? 
fait n?cessaire
que cette cicatrice doit ?tre gu?rie,
au moins au sujet des m?thodes de travail de la soci?t? civile. 
il est mon impression et mon espoir que le groupe de travail sur des 
m?thodes de travail de CS a ?t? cr?e
justement pour reconstruire la confiance.

 Il va ?tre plus difficiles r?parer le fait que les gens
qui devraient avoir ?t? choisis comme membres du WGIG
ne le soient pas maintenant.
C'est une cons?quence de ce mauvais proc?d? mais cette probl?matique
doit ?tre r?gl?e s?par?ment.
 Par cons?quent le WGIG manque de la l?gitimit? et de la cr?dibilit?. 
Comment reparer cette tare ? , je ne sais pas. 
J'ai peur qu'il ne soit est trop tard, mais ne laissons ne pas d?truire 
le processus entier du SMSI
en raison de ce qui est arriv? au WGIG.  Ce n'est pas la fin du monde !. 
Apr?s tout, les probl?mes de gouvernenance peuvent ?tre et devraient 
?tre enti?rement discut?es pendant le PrepCom2,
les groupes th?matiques peuvent  y entrer en pleine action,
le WGIG est seulement un comit? consultatif, et la chose importante est 
que les limites de l'action de WGIG devraient
?tre soigneusement soulign?es dans ces circonstances. 
On ne permettra pas aux les membres du CS WGIG de parler au nom de la 
soci?t? civile enti?re du SMSI.
 Les groupes th?matiques qui estiment que des probl?matqiues ne sont pas 
ou mal ?tudi?es, ou leurs opinions
non repr?sent?s sont libres d'entrer en contact avec Kummer comme il l'a 
dit lui m?me.

Soyons constructifs. Gu?rissons l'issue proc?durale par une condamnation 
de CSB et
qu'on aille en avant  avec une conscience claire vers le PrepCom2,
et pour la composition en WGIG lui-m?me, nous verrons bien comment les 
probl?mes de gouvernance
 seront trait?s au PrepCom2.

Mon compte-rendu et analyse des faits  est document? ici: 
http://www.wsis-pct.org/wgig.html  ( traduction automatique disponible )
J'ai essay? d'?tre aussi pr?cis comme possible, et s'il y a une erreur 
de fait,  dites le moi savoir. 

Cordialement

Francis


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From muguet at mdpi.org  Fri Jan 21 00:45:31 2005
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG Chronogical Account (text version)
Message-ID: <41F050AB.8020207@mdpi.org>


    Text version of 

http://www.wsis-pct.org/wgig.html



    * Chronogical Account of the Civil Society Process concerning the
    Establishment of the Working Group on Internet Governance (WGIG)
    <http://www.wgig.org>

    *

During the first phase of the Summit, since no agreement could be 
reached on Internet Governance, it was decided as stated in the Plan of 
Action to : ask the Secretary General of the United Nations to set up a 
working group on Internet governance, in an open and inclusive process 
that ensures a mechanism for the full and active participation of 
governments, the private sector and civil society from both developing 
and developed countries, involving relevant intergovernmental and 
international organizations and forums, to investigate and make 
proposals for action, as appropriate, on the governance of Internet by 
2005. The group should, inter alia:

/
    i) develop a working definition of Internet governance; 
    ii) identify the public policy issues that are relevant to Internet
    governance; 
    iii) develop a common understanding of the respective roles and
    responsibilities of governments, existing intergovernmental and
    international organisations and other forums as well as the private
    sector and civil society from both developing and developed countries; 
    iv) prepare a report on the results of this activity to be presented
    for consideration and appropriate action for the second phase of
    WSIS in Tunis in 2005. /

The WGIG is not a group which depends from the ITU, but directly from 
the UN general-secretary The first WGIG meeting dealt with the selection 
process and the possible composition of the WGIG bureau. the possible 
composition of the WGIG bureau. Currently, there are several opinions 
among the states. A major western entity advocates 1/2 governments 1/4 
Private 1/4 CS while some other countries advocate 1/3 1/3 1/3 Therefore 
one expect that the number of CS representatives would vary between 5 
and 7. The duty would consist in about 3 to 4 meetings lasting each one 
about 4 days or a week, between November and June 2005. Of course, being 
at meetings is only part of the task. Each member is to study reports 
and write them. Each member is expected to contribute in writing the 
final report of the WGIG. So this would be a pretty heavy workload. We 
tentavily suggested that the Civil Society, because of its own specific 
constraints, should be able to designate a member with his/her 
alternate/backup to ensure a reliable and inclusive representation of 
the Civil Society. This suggestion has been well received, but 
everything concerning WGIG will be decided at the Consultations on the 
establishment of the Working Group on Internet Governance 
<http://www.itu.int/wsis/preparatory2/wgig/index.html> (WGIG) which will 
be held in Geneva on 20/21 September 2004. After this meeting, a 
tentative list of WGIG proposed members will be sent in New York, to the 
UN general-secretary that may choose CS representative in this list or 
outside the list.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Page of the Internet Governance Caucus <http://www.net-gov.org/> 
concerning the WGIG Nomination <http://www.net-gov.org/wgig/>.
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The Civil Society Working Group on Internet Gouvernance 
<http://www.net-gov.org> after lively debates decided to make a formal 
call ( 07 September 2004 ) to all Thematic Working Groups in order to 
compose a list of representatives with their inputs :

To Members of WSIS Civil Society, Caucuses and Working Groups

The WSIS Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus hopes to assemble a 
list of candidates for membership in the Working Group on Internet 
Governance (WGIG).  The purpose of the list is to give Mr. Kummer and 
Mr. Annan a set of candidates from which they can select members for 
the WGIG. This list will not be the only input into the membership 
decision process, and does not prevent any group or individual from 
submitting her or his recommendations. We wish to provide the 
collective recommendations of WSIS caucuses and working groups.

After much deliberation on the process by which the candidate list 
would be compiled, we, as coordinators of the Internet Governance 
caucus have made the decision to invite each of the WSIS civil 
society caucuses and working groups to suggest between one (1) and 
three (3) names for inclusion on the candidate list.

There is not agreement for this course of action among members of the 
IG Caucus, but time is pressing and we feel WSIS Civil Society must 
have an opportunity to participate in this process.  This can work if 
we all try to make it work.  It means trying to think what is best 
for civil society, and not any particular interest group.  Please 
read this note carefully. And refer to the draft statement on 
structure of the WGIG you can find at this URL 
http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance
(Spanish, French,English and Portuguese.)

One of the goals for this candidate list is to make sure that all of 
the topical areas that might be included in the governance debate are 
covered. Indications are that the WGIG will take a broad view of 
Internet governance, and issues will include ICANN, Spam, information 
and network security, privacy and other ICT rights issues, 
intellectual property rights, and interconnection agreements to name 
just a few. Asking the other caucuses and working groups for 
recommendations is considered the best way to make sure that all 
topics of concern to WSIS civil society are present.

Note that our recommendations about the structure of the WGIG  (here 
http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance )
say we think the group 
should be small, between 19 and 31 total core members. By asking for 
nominations from all of WSIS civil society we are inviting a 
potentially large number of names to be submitted. Some means of 
reducing the composite list we receive may be required. We look 
forward to your advice on how we might handle this situation, it is 
quite likely. We suggest discussions about this are started now on 
the CS plenary list.

Please attempt to prioritize your nominations. If you are unable to 
do so please state clearly that your list is not prioritized. 
Coordination of nominations among caucuses/working group will be very 
helpful.

Individual members of the CS plenary may also submit nominations. 
Individuals should submit their nominations based on the criteria 
explained below.

As background for making the caucus/working group decision on the 
candidates, a draft of the WSIS Civil Society caucus's contribution 
on the WGIG can be found online at 
http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance 
These notes discuss some of the contents of the contribution.

We consider it critical that a balanced WGIG be drawn from a multi 
dimensional consideration of diversity.  That is, diversity in terms 
of sector, region, gender, and language background, among others, 
must be considered in assembling the WGIG.  It is also important that 
there be a balance between members from developing and developed 
countries.  It is also considered very important that candidates have 
a degree of knowledge of the issues, including policy, legal and 
technical, involved in the Internet governance debate. We also 
suggest candidates should have experience working in an international 
committee environment, be aware of ICT for development issues and 
human rights. No candidate is expected to have all these qualities, 
but we are suggesting they should be people with broad experience.

It is considered critical that though all participants come from 
different perspectives, they should be people who are willing to 
listen and consider carefully the views of others.  It is expected 
that the best outcome for the WGIG will come from an assembly of open 
minded individuals who can share their knowledge and expertise in an 
cooperative manner.

Finally it is considered important that any individual nominated as a 
candidate understand the amount of work this assignment would involve 
and indicate a readiness to participate.  While the work plan of the 
WGIG has yet to be determined, it is expected that the WGIG will 
begin work in the final months of 2004 and finish by July 2005. The 
schedule will most probably involve, email discussions, 
teleconferences and up to four (4) face to face meetings.  We 
anticipate that the working language of the WGIG itself will be 
English. It is expected, however, that there will be a great 
sensitivity to language issues as the WGIG conducts its work and 
consultations.

In making your caucuses/working groups recommendation, we request 
that you submit the following information, which will be passed on to 
Mr. Kummer, with the names of the candidates:

- Reliable contact information for the candidate; i.e. email, 
telephone, fax and postal address.

- A statement indicating the qualities that the person would bring to 
the WGIG.  While no particular content is being required, it is 
recommended that this section include a discussion of the concerns 
mentioned above and a discussion of the experience and perspective 
the candidate would bring to the WGIG discussions.

- A statement of the person's governance related affiliations.  That 
is information such as: which sector does the person belong to 
(government, industry or civil society), what caucuses/working groups 
do they participate in, employer, national background, and language 
skills.

- An indication from the candidate that they understand the work load 
they are volunteering for and that they are available during the 
expected period of deliberations.

- A short statement about your caucus/working group. Include 
information about the group's background and history, membership 
(numbers), and achievements or other information you think relevant. 
Please give a URL for a website if you have one.

It is recommended that these statements be no more then two pages in 
length. Candidate information will be collated and published on the 
Internet http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/
 (with candidates personal contact information removed.)

Members of the Internet governance caucus will aggregate the names 
received and send them along with the name of the caucus/working 
groups that made the nomination to Markus Kummer.  If any 
reconsideration of names is required in light of issues arising from 
the WGIG consultation on September 20-21 we will hold any relevant 
discussions about this on the plenary mailing list.

Time is short on gathering the list of candidates and you are 
requested to submit the candidate statements within the next two 
weeks.  *The deadline for submission of candidate statements is 20 
Sept, 2004*.  All statements should be sent to:
*igov@tla.crepundia.net*

In concluding, we thank you for helping us complete this important task.

Please try to coordinate your nominations with other caucuses and 
working groups.  And please consider the qualities your nominations 
will bring to the WGIG carefully. If you have questions about the 
process please contact the coordinators of the Caucus:

Jeanette Hofmann and Adam Peake
Coordinators, Internet Governance Caucus


*Additional information* :

Please follow the format described below and send to this address:
*igov@tla.crepundia.net*

We will collate all nominations.

Please also send to the civil society plenary list if you wish, but 
suggest you strip any personal contact information before doing so.

The format below only asks for information about the caucus or 
working group submitting the nomination(s), we should also have 
something about any individual making a nomination: who you are, your 
relationship with the nominee (typical conflict of interest issues.) 
This will not be necessary for a self-nomination :-)

Format for submitting nomination(s)

In making your caucuses/working groups recommendation, we request 
that you submit the following information, which will be passed on to 
Mr. Kummer, with the names of the candidates. Individual members of 
the CS plenary may also submit nominations. Individuals should also 
submit their nominations based on the criteria explained below.

- Reliable contact information for the candidate; i.e. email, 
telephone, fax and postal address.

- A statement indicating the qualities that the person would bring to 
the WGIG.  While no particular content is being required, it is 
recommended that this section include a discussion of the concerns 
mentioned above and a discussion of the experience and perspective 
the candidate would bring to the WGIG discussions.

- A statement of the person's governance related affiliations.  That 
is information such as: which sector does the person belong to 
(government, industry or civil society), what caucuses/working groups 
do they participate in, employer, national background, and language 
skills.

- An indication from the candidate that they understand the work load 
they are volunteering for and that they are available during the 
expected period of deliberations.

- A short statement about your caucus/working group. Include 
information about the group's background and history, membership 
(numbers), and achievements or other information you think relevant. 
Please give a URL for a website if you have one.

It is recommended that these statements be no more then two pages in 
length. Candidate information will be collated and published on the 
Internet http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance
 (with candidates personal contact information removed.)



* Financial Assistance * :

According to reliable sources ( yet to be confirmed in writting ), 
travel expenses will be supported for people from developing countries, 
and on a case by case basis for people from other countries.


* Further clarification concerning deadlines * (12 September)
This was much welcome since there has been some confusion concerning 
deadlines.

Dealine for comments on structure, methodology and scope of the consultation on the WGIG meeting
( September 20-21, Geneva ) : Monday 13^th  


Names of CS candidates to the WGIG are not required before the meeting, 
they will of course be accepted and considered, but not required before. 
Markus Kummer expects that during the consultation meeting, discussions that will be held
to help the CS to recommend names. Therefore, the logical time to submit names is soon 
after the consultation meeting /i.e/ on Sept 22.


The suggestion of the CS-IG group is for caucuses and WG to send names by Sept. 20. 
The CS-IG will collate names and share them with Markus Kummer. 
Then the CS may send a revised final list of names by *Sept. 27*.

 
If there are too many names, the  CS-IG group we will need to come back to plenary 
and discuss ways we can reduce the number


The CS-IG will, of course, inform plenary of their impressions of the consultation 
and any special consideration that might be given in making nominations. 




*List sent to Markus Kummer* (05 Oct 2004)

 A list of candidates, 9 recommendations for the 
  working group and a second slate of 8 
  "connectors" were sent to Markus Kummer yesterday.
  
  Slate of candidates for the WGIG itself:
  
  * Carlos Afonso (Brazil)
  * Karen Banks (Australia)
  * Vittorio Bertola (Italy)
  * Avri Doria (USA/Israel)
  * William Drake (USA)
  * Raul Echeberria, (Uruguay)
  * Wolfgang Kleinwachter (Germany)
  * Marlyn Tadros (Egypt)
  * Ang Peng Hwa (Singapore)
  
  Slate of "connectors":
  
  * Jonathan Cave (UK), Scientific Information WG
  * Georg Greve (Germany), Patents, Copyrights and 
  Trademarks WG
  * Gus Hosein (Canada), Privacy and Security WG
  * Joseph Sarr (Senegal), Cities and Local Authorities 
  Caucus
  * Robert Sagun (Philippines), Youth Caucus
  * Hiroshi Kawamura (Japan), Persons with Disabilities 
  Caucus
  * Aidan White (Ireland), Media Caucus
  * Jacqueline A. Morris (Trinidad and Tobago), Gender 
  Caucus
  
  Note that the African Caucus sent a list of names 
  separately to Markus Kummer, we did not know who 
  was on their list until late yesterday so were 
  unable to include their recommendations and did 
  not try to duplicate.
  
  The recommendations were sent to Markus Kummer 
  yesterday by Izumi Aizu.  Izumi's emails to Mr. 
  Kummer copied below.
  
  Thank you,
  
  Adam
  
------------------------------------------------------------------------
  
  Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 18:35:37 +0900
  To: Markus KUMMER 
  From: Izumi Aizu 
  
  Dear Markus,
  
  Here attached is the Civil Society Plenary's slate of 
  people for the
  Members of the Working Group on Internet Governance.
  
  This selection is done through extensive online process 
  and also some off-line
  discussions among all the caucus and family 
  members of the Civil Society Plenary
  of the WSIS.
  
  We have setup a website for all the candidates 
  recommended from  different Caucuses and Working Group/Families:
  http://www.net-gov.org/wgig/
  
  The final selection was carried out by small number of 
  volunteers acted as
  "NomCom", facilitated by the two co-coordinators of the 
  Internet Governance  Caucus, Jeanette Hofmann and Adam Peake, 
  though Jeanette did not directly
  participate the nomination/selection, but remained as 
  more of procedural and  logistical coordinator. 
  All NomCom members were, by default, excluded from
  the selection.
  
  NomCom members include:
  
  Bertrand de LA CHAPELLE 
  Adam Peake 
  Renata Bloem 
  Valeria 
  Izumi Aizu  
  


*Some clarification of the Selection Process & Concepts* ( 07 October 
2004 )

After the first round of consultations in Geneva on 
September 20-21, the size, composition and mandate of the 
WGIG remain in discussion. This makes the selection of 
potential members from civil society a delicate issue that 
the Internet Governance Caucus wanted to address in the most 
transparent and inclusive manner. 

In its contribution to the September Consultations, the 
IG Caucus indicated its recommendations for the WGIG :

- a limited size (20-30 members) 
- a facilitating role for a larger group of stakeholders 
rather than a high level decision-making group
- a fully balanced composition (1/3 governments, 1/3 private 
sector, 1/3 civil society) 

The IG Caucus therefore decided to designate a slate of 
about 10 people, aiming as much as possible for a 
geographical, gender, age and profile balance. 

The Internet Governance Caucus also considered that although 
the origin of the WGIG creation was to address principally 
the Domain Name System and ICANN, it will progressively 
cover a broader definition of Internet Governance and 
will need to expand its competence pool accordingly. 

Finally, the main purpose of the WGIG should be to 
facilitate an iterative consultation and drafting process 
within the larger group of concerned stakeholders, via both 
physical meetings and online consultations. 

In that context, the IG Caucus not only determined a list of 
nominees for itself but also invited other regional and 
thematic civil society caucuses to identify potential 
candidates to be taken into consideration. This dual and 
bottom-up process process produced a list of 35 nominees 
and the profiles of nominees wer publicly posted on 
http://www.net-gov.org/wgig/

At the initiative of one of the Caucus co-coordinators, a 
small NomCom was formed to review the list of nominees and 
facilitate identification of an appropriately balanced slate 
to be transmitted to the Secretary General.

This process was not easy and resulted in two complementary 
sets of names.

First, a * limited slate of candidates for the WGIG itself* :

- Carlos Afonso (Brazil), Technical Development Director, RITS
- Karen Banks, (Australia), Association  for Progressive 
communications
- Vittorio Bertola (Italy), Chair, ICANN At Large Advisory 
Committee
- Avri Doria, (USA), Lulea University, Sweden
- William Drake (USA), President, Computer Professionals for 
Social Responsibility
- Raul Echeberria, (Uruguay), LACNIC CEO
- Wolfgang Kleinwachter (Germany), Professor for 
International Communication Policy and Regulation, 
University of Aarhus, 
Denmark
- Marlyn Tadros, (Egypt), Executive Director, Virtual 
Activism
- Ang Peng Hwa, (Singapore), Dean of School of Communication 
& Information, Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 


Second, based on the submissions from other Civil Society 
thematic caucuses,* a list of "connectors"* has been 
established to facilitate interaction with various thematic 
constituencies *as the process expands* to a broader range of 
issues :

- Jonathan Cave (UK), Professor, Warwick University (/corrected/, not the RAND Europe)  
connector for the Scientific Information Working Group
- Georg Greve (Germany), President, Free Software 
Foundation Europe, connector for the Patents, Copyrights and 
Trademanrks WG;
- Gus Hosein (Canada), Fellow Information Systems, London 
Schoold of Economics and Senior Fellow, Privacy 
International; connector for Privacy and Security WG;
- Joseph Sarr (Senegal), President, NTIC Commission of the 
Dakar Regional Council; connector to the Cities and Local 
Authorities Caucus
- Robert Sagun (Philippines), Policy Coordinator of the WSIS 
Youth Caucus
- Hiroshi Kawamura (Japan), Japanese Society for the 
Rehabilitation of Persons with Disabilities (JSRPD), Daisy 
Consortium Board member; connector to the Persons with 
Disabilities caucus
- Aidan White (Ireland), General secretary of the 
International Federation of Journalists (IFJ), connector for 
the Media caucus;
- Jacqueline A. Morris (Trinidad and Tobago), connector for 
the Gender Caucus.

(A full list of Civil Society caucuses and Working Groups is 
available at : http://www.wsis-cs.org/caucuses.html
 )

These connectors will follow closely the work of the WGIG 
and participate in its process to help ensure a good 
articulation between the different issues. Should the WGIG 
decide to create sub-groups on thematic issues, these 
connectors will also help mobilize the relevant actors.

This dual list intends to cover on the one hand the 
immediate nomination needs in the WGIG creation phase and, 
on the other hand, to anticipate its future activities. 
 
No list or suggestion can be perfect and the members of the 
NomCom tried their best to pay tribute to the broad range of 
competences available. We hope the above-mentionned lists - 
that will be sent to Markus Kummer for his meetings in New 
York tomorrow - will facilitate the full participation of 
civil society in the WGIG.  

The NomCom was composed of Adam Peake, Renate Bloem, Izumi 
Aizu, Valeria Betancourt and Bertrand de La Chapelle. 



Establishment of the Working Group on Internet Governance 
<http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2004/pi1620.doc.htm> (11 November 2004)
WGIS Mission : to investigate and make proposals for action, as 
appropriate, on the governance of the Internet by 2005.?  The Group was 
requested to:

-- Develop a working definition of Internet governance;

-- Identify the public policy issues that are relevant to Internet 
governance; and

-- Develop a common understanding of the respective roles and 
responsibilities of governments, international organizations and other 
forums, as well as the private sector and civil society from both 
developing and developed countries.

The WGIG includes 40 members from governments, private sector and civil 
society

The Working Group is not a negotiating forum

The first meeting of the Working Group is scheduled to take place in 
Geneva from 23 to 25 November.?  On 24 November, the meeting will be 
held in an open format, allowing all governments and other stakeholders 
to interact with the Working Group.

Contact
New York, Edoardo Bellando, tel:(212) 963-8275, e-mail: bellando@un.org
Geneva, Markus Kummer, tel. +41 0 22 917 54 88, e-mail: mkummer@unog.ch
Web sites: www.wgig.org <http://www.wgig.org> and www.un-wgig.org 
<http://www.un-wgig.org>.

_List of Members_ ( see also Official List 
<http://www.wgig.org/members.html> )

Governments,Civil Society ( presented by the Internet Governance Caucus 
<http://www.net-gov.org/> ), other Civil Society, Private Sector.

Chairman:Nitin Desai.

Members:

-- Abdullah Al-Darrab, Deputy Governor of Technical Affairs, ICT 
Commission of Saudi Arabia;

-- Carlos Alfonso, Technical Director, RIT, Rio de Janeiro;

-- Peng Hwa Ang, Dean, School of Communication, Nanyang Technological 
University, Singapore;

-- Karen Banks, Director, GreenNet, Association for Progressive 
Communications, London;

-- Faryel Beji, President and CEO, Tunisian Internet Agency;

-- Vittorio Bertola, ICANN at-large Advisory Committee, Turin;

-- Jose Alexandre Bicalho, Member, Brazilian Internet Steering 
Committee; Advisor, Board of Directors, National Telecommunications 
Agency (Anatel);

-- Kangsik Cheon, Chief Operating Officer, International Business 
Development, Netpia, Seoul;

-- Trevor Clarke, Permanent Representative of Barbados to the United 
Nations in Geneva;

-- Avri Doria, Technical Consultant, Providence, Rhode Island;

-- William Drake, Senior Associate, International Centre for Trade and 
Sustainable Development, Geneva; Chairman, Computer Professionals for 
Social Responsibility;

-- Raul Echeberria, Executive Director, LACNIC, Montevideo;

-- Dev Erriah, Chairman, ICT Authority of Mauritius;

-- Baher Esmat, Telecom Planning Manager, Ministry of Communications and 
Information Technology, Egypt;

-- Mark Esseboom, Director, Strategy and International Affairs, 
Directorate General for Telecom and Post, Ministry of Economic Affairs, 
the Netherlands;

-- Juan Fernandez, Coordinator, Commission of Electronic Commerce, Cuba;

-- Ayesha Hassan, Senior Policy Manager for E-Business, IT and Telecoms, 
International Chamber of Commerce, Paris;

-- Qiheng Hu, Adviser, Science and Technology Commission, Ministry of 
Information Industry, China; former Vice-President, ChineseAcademy of 
Sciences;

-- Willy Jensen, Director, Norwegian Post and Telecom Authority;

-- Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Professor, International Communication Policy 
and Regulation, University of Aarhus;

-- Jovan Kurbalija, Director, DiploFoundation 
<http://www.diplomacy.edu/>, Geneva;

-- Iosif Charles Legrand <http://cil.home.cern.ch/cil/>, Researcher, 
California Institute of Technology and CERN, Geneva;

-- Donald MacLean, Director, MacLean Consulting, Ottawa;

-- Allen Miller, Executive Director, World Information Technology and 
Services Alliance <http://www.witsa.org/>, Arlington, Virginia;

-- Juan Carlos Moreno Solines, Executive Director, Gobierno Digital 
<http://www.gobiernodigital.com/>, Quito;

-- Jacqueline A. Morris, Consultant, Port of Spain;

-- Olivier Nana Nzepa, Coordinator, Africa Civil Society, Yaound?

-- Alejandro Pisanty <http://www.icann.org/biog/pisanty.htm>, Director, 
Computing Academic Services, Universidad Autonoma de Mexico; *ICANN board*

-- Khalilullah Qazi, Permanent Mission of Pakistan to the United Nations 
in Geneva;

-- Rajashekar Ramaraj, Managing Director, Sify Limited, Chennai;

-- Masaaki Sakamaki, Director, Computer Communications Division, 
Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications, Japan;

-- Joseph Sarr, President, NTIC Commission, Dakar Regional Council;

-- Peimann Seadat, Permanent Mission of Iran to the United Nations in 
Geneva;

-- Charles Shaban, IT Manager, Talal Abu- Ghazaleh International 
<http://www.tagi.com/>, Amman;

-- Lyndall Shope-Mafole, Chairperson, Presidential National Commission 
on Information Society and Development, South Africa;

-- Waudo Siganga, Chairman, Computer Society of Kenya;

-- Mikhail Vladimirovich Yakushev, Director, Legal Support Department, 
Ministry of Information Technology and Communications, Russian Federation;

-- Peter Zangl, Deputy Director-General, Information Society Directorate 
General, European Commission, Brussels; and

-- Jean-Paul Zens, Director, Media and Telecom Department, Ministry of 
State, Luxembourg.



                                           SUMMARY 

- Carlos Afonso <http://www.net-gov.org/wgig/afonso.php> (Brazil),  LAC Caucus, *selected*
- Karen Banks, (Australia),IG group, *selected*
- Vittorio Bertola (Italy), IG group *selected*
- Avri Doria, (USA),IG group *selected*
- William Drake (USA),IG group *selected*
- Raul Echeberria <http://www.net-gov.org/wgig/echeberria.php>,  (Uruguay) ( separatist LAC caucus ? ), *selected*
- Wolfgang Kleinwachter (Germany) IG group  , *selected*
- Marlyn Tadros, (Egypt) ( Arab caucus ), not accepted
- Ang Peng Hwa, (Singapore) *selected* 

- Jonathan Cave (UK), connector for the Scientific Information Working Group, not accepted
- Georg Greve (Germany), connector for the Patents, Copyrights and Trademanrks WG, not accepted
- Gus Hosein (Canada), connector for Privacy and Security WG, not accepted
- Joseph Sarr (Senegal), connector to the Cities and Local Authorities Caucus, *selected*
- Robert Sagun (Philippines),  WSIS Youth Caucus, not accepted
- Hiroshi Kawamura (Japan), connector to the Persons with Disabilities caucus, not accepted
- Aidan White (Ireland),  connector for the Media caucus, not accepted
- Jacqueline A. Morris (Trinidad and Tobago), connector for the Gender Caucus, *selected*

All candidates from the IG group were accepted. Only one candidate 
proposed by the IG group to become a WGIG member was rejected. Two 
persons listed as "connectors" were unexpectedly selected.

Later on, people that have been selected as "connectors" began to wonder 
if this position corresponds to any special status in regards to the 
WGIG. The concept of "connector" has not been discussed beforehand 
within the Civil Society,, and came as a complete surprise to everybody. 
A disapointed "connector" asked Kummer for clarification. Kummer's 
answer was : /As you may be aware, it is our intention to create a 
process that is as open as possible. In order to achieve this objective, 
we will have to respect some ground rules. One of them is that the 
closed meeting are closed to non-members of the WGIG. Opening up these 
meetings to some would be opening Pandora's box and would lead to 
pressures from representatives from Governments (more than 170 of them 
are not represented in the group) as well as other stakeholders. As you 
know, civil society is very well represented in the group and your are 
encouraged to work with and through the civil society members.
Of course at any time you can submit your own contributions - we will 
post them on our website. In any case, all future meetings will be 
accompanied by an open round of consultations. /The connector then 
replied to Kummer who did not offer further comments : /Thanks for your 
email and the clarification it contains. I believe it does answer my 
questions, if I have understood correctly that connectors have the same 
role as other members of the public. /

Therefore, the "connector" position is a non-existent notion concerning 
official relationships with the WGIG. It seems at best a position that 
may have a relative existence within the Civil Society. However, since 
the list of "Connectors" has been announced , and until now (mid-January 
2005) neither the Internet Gouvernance Caucus, neither the CS members of 
the WGIG has made any formal call to the "connectors" and their 
"connected" working groups for input. "as the process expands to a 
broader range of issues.". Patents and Copyrights issues are now ( and 
not surprisingly, because this is unavoidable ) clearly on the agenda, 
since Vittorio Bertola posted "I am the "lead drafter" on intellectual 
property (and on privacy too)".

No discussions on the questions that are being currently debated by the 
WGIG, are being held in the Internet Gouvernance (IG) working group, 
illustrating a lack of connection between the IG group and the members 
of the WGIG that are coming from the very IG group. If WGIG 
confidentiality rules are such that drafts cannot be circulated outside 
of the WGIG in this first phase, they do not prevent to held debates 
concerning the problems that are at stake. Neither the WGIG or the IG 
group have contacted the "connectors" and the thematics groups to get 
input on content issues.

ANALYSIS

*Positive aspects* : The UN selected all but one person in the list that 
have been presented by the Internet Governance Caucus 
<http://www.net-gov.org/> in the name of the whole WSIS-accredited Civil 
Society, plus two persons from the connectors' list.

*Negative aspects* : The Internet Governance Caucus 
<http://www.net-gov.org/> made a formal call to all working groups to 
submit candidates that shall have been included in the list of 
candidates that shall have been forwarded to Markus Kummer. It was 
extremely clear : / In making your caucuses/working groups 
recommendation, we request that you submit the following information, 
which will be passed on to Mr. Kummer, with the names of the candidates /.
However, none of the candidates that have been selected by the various 
thematic working groups and forwarded in time to Internet Governance 
Caucus <http://www.net-gov.org/> have been included in the candidates' 
list for WGIG membership, that has been presented to Markus Kummer, in 
complete disregard with the rationale and promise of the call made by 
the Internet Governance Caucus <http://www.net-gov.org/>. The list 
included only members of the Internet Governance Caucus 
<http://www.net-gov.org/> and three members of Regional Caucuses. The 
candidates proposed by the various thematic working groups 
<http://www.wsis-cs.org/caucuses.html> were instead listed as 
"connectors". Among the persons proposed as "connectors", two were 
unexpectedly selected as members of the WGIG. For the six remaining 
unlucky "connectors", the "connector" position turned out to be a last 
minute invention without formal or practical recognition by the WGIG, 
and without practical use within the Civil Society.

There are at least two serious consequences : The WSIS Civil Society 
missed an opportunity to present an inclusive team at a time when the UN 
made a serious inclusive effort, possibly jeopardizing future UN efforts 
in that direction. The WGIG lacks legitimacy in regards to the Thematic 
Working Groups, and within the Civil Society in general, most notably 
among the various Free Software communities.





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MDPI Foundation Open Access Journals
Associate Publisher
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ENSTA   Paris, France
KNIS lab.  Director 
"Knowledge Networks & Information Society" (KNIS)
muguet@ensta.fr   http://www.ensta.fr/~muguet

World Summit On the Information Society (WSIS)
Civil Society Working Groups
Scientific Information :  http://www.wsis-si.org  chair
Patents & Copyrights   :  http://www.wsis-pct.org co-chair
Financing Mechanismns  :  http://www.wsis-finance.org web

UNMSP project : http://www.unmsp.org
WTIS initiative: http://www.wtis.org
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From bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de  Fri Jan 21 03:08:50 2005
From: bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <41F04A95.9020507@mdpi.org>
References: <s1e9acf9.027@gwia201.syr.edu> <m3zmz92vkn.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org> <41EC146D.6020407@wz-berlin.de> <41F04A95.9020507@mdpi.org>
Message-ID: <41F07242.5010004@zedat.fu-berlin.de>

Hi all,

there are many instances where Civil Society procedures are contested or
discussed. Think of the CS Bureau that has its internal reform discussion,
the events in Tunisia during Prepom1 and so on.

> the WGIG nomination problem as a *procedural matter* that the CSB 
> should be entitled to deal with.
The CSB has a mandate for dealing with the the WSIS organizers on
procedural matters. Thinking of its problematic legitimacy, it is rather
ironic to suggest it can judge the WGIG process.

And you can't change the WGIG members anyway. Everybody knows the
nomination process was not perfect. We had this discussion before.

> lets us not destroy the whole WSIS process because of what happened to 
> the WGIG.  This is not the end of the world.
Well said, Francis. :-)

> it is my impression and my hope that the working group on CS working 
> methods has been precisely created to rebuild  transparency, confidence
>  and trust.
And they are quite active.

> The CS WGIG members shall not be allowed to speak in the name of the 
> whole WSIS Civil Society.
I think it was clear from the beginning that they are selected as
individuals, not as representatives of any entity, be it the plenary,
individual caucuses or single organizations.

> Thematics groups that feel that some issues are not studied, or not 
> well studied  or their opinions not represented are free to contact 
> Kummer as he told himself.
Or to contact the CS members of the WGIG, who repeatedly have asked for input.

Best, Ralf

PS: I am looking forward to see many of you in Geneva in a few weeks!


From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Fri Jan 21 03:36:55 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Need to know the facts / Les Faits  Re:  [WSIS CS-Plenary]
 PCT and  WGIG
In-Reply-To: <41F04A95.9020507@mdpi.org>
References: <s1e9acf9.027@gwia201.syr.edu>
 <m3zmz92vkn.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org> <41EC146D.6020407@wz-berlin.de>
 <41F04A95.9020507@mdpi.org>
Message-ID: <p06200700be1628b6a205@[192.168.1.251]>

At 1:19 AM +0100 1/21/05, Dr. Francis MUGUET wrote:
>
>At the last CSB meeting in Capetown, I evoked the WGIG nomination problem
>as a *procedural matter* that the CSB should be entitled to deal with.


As a CSB bureau member I would like to indeed confirm that Francis 
did raise the issue at the Cape Town meeting. But, to my recollection 
the bureau did not accept nor endorse Francis's motion.


regards

Robert



-- 
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Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From katitza at speedy.com.pe  Fri Jan 21 03:37:23 2005
From: katitza at speedy.com.pe (Katitza Rodriguez)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Online Deliberation 2005 / DIAC-2005 (CFP)
Message-ID: <200501202237.24430.katitza@speedy.com.pe>

fyi,
----------  Forwarded Message  ----------

Subject: Online Deliberation 2005 / DIAC-2005 (CFP)
Date: Thursday 20 January 2005 22:32
From: Doug Schuler <douglas@trout.cpsr.org>
To: cpsr-activists@lists.cpsr.org

Please forward to interested colleagues.  Note that this
conference is being co-billed as DIAC 2005.  This will be
the 10th (!) of CPSR's "Directions and Implications of
Advanced Computing" symposia.  I hope you all can come!


                         *** Call for Papers ***

                 2nd Conference on Online Deliberation:
                     Design, Research, and Practice
                                DIAC 2005

                  Website: www.online-deliberation.net

                             May 20-22, 2005
                   Stanford University, Stanford, CA

Abstract deadline: March 15, 2005

The Second Conference on Online Deliberation: Design, Research, and
Practice / DIAC 2005, will be held at Stanford University from Friday
through Sunday, May 20-22, 2005. This conference is a follow-up to
"Developing and Using Online Tools for Deliberative Democracy", a
two-days eminar which was held at Carnegie Mellon University in June, 2003. At
the end of the CMU conference, participants agreed to have a follow-up
meeting at Stanford.  We would like to solidify the conference as a regular
event, and to discuss the possibility of establishing a new society for online
deliberation that will bring together researchers, designers, and
practitioners whose work bears on this area.  This conference is also
the latest in a series of conferences on Directions and Implications of
Advanced Computing (DIAC), presented in association with the Public
Sphere Project (a CPSR Initiative).

We welcome proposals for presentations and workshops from both within
and outside academia. An edited volume of abstracts and selected full papers
from the conference is planned for publication afterward through CSLI
Publications, a division of the University of Chicago Press. Topics of
interest include:

* Online deliberation and groupware design
* Computer-supported cooperative work
* Uses and implications of the Internet for democratic participation
* E-consultation and E-rulemaking
* Online facilitation and community-building
* Research on virtual communities
* Uses of groupware in organizations
* Online learning communities
* Social decision procedures for online environments
* Analyzing online dialogue
* Email and listservs
* Chatrooms and instant messaging
* Message boards and blogs
* Collaborative editing and wikis
* Online organizing and petitions
* Teleconferencing
* Mobile communication and "smart mobs"
* Smart rooms and iRooms
* Immersive virtual environments
* Multilingual online communities and machine translation
* Secure communication and voting
* Information systems support for deliberation
* Lessons from "offline" deliberation and democracy
* Distributed design
* IP, ownership and "copyleft"
* Digital divides, usability, and accessibility
* Free speech and censorship online
* Communication across platforms

All of the above topics bear on whether Internet tools for deliberation
can truly deepen democracy -- in groups, communities, and societies
--and,if so, how. But work on these topics is spread over many and diverse
disciplines: computer science, the social sciences, education, law,
publicpolicy, philosophy, social work, and information science, just to name a
few. It involves scholars, designers, and practitioners from all over
the world. This conference, like the one at CMU in 2003, is an attempt to
bring these perspectives together so that we can all widen our horizons.

The focus of the conference is not the Internet, society, and politics
generally, but rather work that is especially related to online
deliberation tools and their use. "Deliberation" denotes "thoughtful,
careful, or lengthy consideration" by individuals, and "formal
discussion and debate" in groups (Collins English Dictionary, 1979). We are
therefore primarily interested in online communication that is reasoned,
purposeful, and interactive, but the power and predominance of other 
influences on political decisions (e.g. mass media, appeals to emotion and 
authority, and snap judgements) obviously make them relevant to the prospects 
for deliberative e-democracy. Topics such as technology policy and social
networks are of interest, but proposals around such topics for this
conference should relate them to online deliberation.

Proposals should be submitted under one of the following categories:

PAPER PRESENTATION
A proposal to present a paper may include an abstract of up to 300
words.
Accepted authors will have until May 1 to upload a draft of their full
paper so that conference attendees and an assigned discussant can read
it before the conference.  Paper presenters will have between 15 and 25
minutes to present their paper, depending on the time available in the
final schedule.  A limited number of papers will be selected for
full-text print publication in a book that will be issued after the 
conference.
Authors who are invited to publish their paper in the edited volume will
have until July 1 to produce camera-ready copy.  Papers that are not
included in the book willl have their abstracts published instead.

DEMO OR TALK
A proposal to give a demonstration or talk may include an abstract of up
to 300 words, which should describe the presentation that is being
proposed.  Accepted presenters will be given 15-25 minutes to present
their work, depending on the time available in the final schedule.
Presenters may, at their option, upload full papers on the conference
web site prior to the conference, but a discussant will not be assigned if
the submission is made in a category other than "paper presentation".
Abstracts will be published in the edited volume that will be issued
after the conference.

PANEL OR SHORT WORKSHOP A proposal for a panel or short workshop may
include an abstract of up to 500 words.  The abstract should include the
names of proposed presenters or hosts, as well as a description of the
proposed workshop/panel.  Workshops/panels are expected to last about 75
minutes.  Presenters/participants may, at their option, upload full
papers on the conference web site prior to the conference.  Abstract-length
(500 word)  summaries of each workshop/panel will be published in the edited
volume that will be issued after the conference, and will be due from
the workshop/panel organizers by June 1.  The conference online discusssion
forum (linked from the conference homepage) is available as a venue for
networking on panel and workshop proposals.

EXTENDED WORKSHOP A proposal for an extended workshop may include an
abstract of up to 700 words.  The abstract should include the names of
proposed presenters or hosts, as well as a description of the proposed
workshop.  Workshops are expected to last either for a hafl day or a
full day.  If a proposal is not accepted as an extended workshop, the
proposed presenters/hosts may be offered the opportunity to do a short 
workshop instead.  Participants may, at their option, upload full papers to 
the conference web site prior to the conference. Abstract-length (700 word)
summaries of each workshop will be published in the edited volume that
will be issued after the conference, and will be due from the workshop
organizers by June 1.  The conference online discussion forum (linked
from the conference homepage)  is available as a venue for networking on
workshop proposals.

The conference will be held at Stanford University in rooms equipped
with overhead and laptop projection equipment, screens, and chalkboards.
Presenters will need to take responsibility for any computer equipment,
slides, or other audio-visual aids needed for their presentations.

If space is available, we will try to facilitate impromptu workshops and
group discussions that are organized informally during the conference.
Organizers of these discussions will also be invited to submit 300-word
summaries at the conclusion of the conference for publication in the
edited volume.

For more information, consult the conference website:
http://www.online-deliberation.net/conf2005.

-------------------------------------------------------

-- 
Katitza Rodr?guez Pereda
Directora, CPSR-Per?
http://peru.cpsr.org

Key ID 0x6F899F56


From adavidziuk at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 21 04:39:57 2005
From: adavidziuk at yahoo.com (alejandra davidziuk)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Crisinfo.org - news ENG ESP FRE [January 21, 2004]
Message-ID: <20050121043957.94642.qmail@web12010.mail.yahoo.com>

Crisinfo.org - news ENG ESP FRE [January 21, 2004]

CRIS

CRIS UPDATE 2005!
A very Happy New Year from the CRIS team to all of you
and our thoughts go first to the victims of the
Tsunami in Asia and to all our partners, friends and
members in the region that have suffered loss of life,
family and friends. Words are not enough to express
the sadness that we all feel, however we hope that the
terrible events that ended 2004 will be followed by
renewed solidarity and support worldwide. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/613/

PUESTA A PUNTO DE CRIS 2005!
Un muy Feliz Nuevo Año del equipo de CRIS para todos
ustedes y nuestros primeros sentimientos y
pensamientos van hacia las victimas del Tsunami en
Asia y a todos nuestros compañeros, amigos y miembros
de esa región que han sufrido la dolorosa pérdida de
familiares y gente querida. Ninguna palabra es
suficiente para expresar la tristeza que todos
nosotros sentimos ante semejante noticia, sin embargo
esperamos que estos terribles hechos que acompañaron
la finalización del 2004 sean seguidos por renovada
solidaridad y apoyo en todo el mundo. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/614/

CRIS/EED SOUTH PARTICIPATION FUND
The Church Development Service (EED), Germany, has
generously granted funds for the facilitation of
participants to CRIS related activities. The CRIS
campaign is glad to inform you that it will be able to
co-sponsor some delegates to events that we feel are
key to the Communication Rights. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/611/ 

FONDOS PARA FOMENTAR LA PARTICIPACIÓN CRIS/EED 
La Iglesia Servicio al Desarrollo (en inglés "Church
Development Service", cuyas siglas son EED), de
Alemania, ha donado generosamente fondos para
facilitar la participación a actividades relacionadas
con CRIS. La Campaña de CRIS tiene el agrado de
informarles que estará en condiciones de patrocinar a
algunos delegados para participar en eventos que
supongan ser claves para los Derechos a la
Comunicación. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/612/

FSM

CRIS SEMINAR PROGRAMME AT THE WSF 
The CRIS Seminar “Campaigning For Communication
Rights” will be held the first day of the World Social
Forum, on Thursday 27th January, 2005, in the Room
D601. There will be translation service available. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/645/

SEMINARIO DE CRIS EN EL FSM
El Seminario de CRIS “Campa&#328;a por el Derecho a la
Comunicación” tendrá lugar el primer día del Foro
Social Mundial, el Jueves 27 de enero de 2005, en el
aula D601. Contará con servicio de traducción. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/643/

CONFÉRENCE DE CRIS AU FSM
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/644/

COMMUNICATION AND INFORMATION AT THE WORLD SOCIAL
FORUM, Porto Alegre, January 2005: Communication:
counter-hegemonic practices, rights and alternatives
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/640/

COMUNICACIÓN Y INFORMACIÓN EN EL FORO SOCIAL MUNDIAL,
Porto Alegre, enero 2005: Comunicación: prácticas
contra-hegemónicas, derechos y alternativas
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/642/

COMMUNICATION ET INFORMATION AU FORUM SOCIAL MONDIAL,
Porto Alegre, Janvier 2005 : Pratiques
anti-hégémoniques, droits et alternatives
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/641/


WSIS

PREPARATORY MEETING (PREPCOM-2)
This Civil Society Orientation Session is designed to
give all participants the necessary background
information on the WSIS Phase two process thus far to
ensure effective participation. It is open to
everyone: government delegations, private sector,
civil society and international organizations. It will
be held on February 14, 2005 in the Palais des
Nations, Geneva. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/638/

REUNION PREPARATOIRE (PREPCOM-2)
Cette Session d'orientation de la Société Civile est
destinée à apporter à l'ensemble des participants
l'information de base nécessaire à la Phase II du
SMSI, afin d'assurer une participation plus efficace.
Cette session est ouverte à tous : délégations de
gouvernements, secteur privé, société civile et
organisations internationales. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/639/

WSIS: FINAL TEXTS FROM GFC
These are the final texts from GFC: Political Chapeau
(Tunis Commitment) and the Operational Part (Tunis
Agenda for Action) which will be submitted by the
President of the Preparatory Committee for the
consideration of PrepCom2 as a possible basis for
negotiations. Chapter two of the Operational Part, on
financial mechanisms, is provisional and may be
further revised ahead of PrepCom-2. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/629/

SMSI: TEXTES DÉFINITIFS ÉLABORÉS PAR LE GAP
Vous trouverez ci-joints les textes définitifs
élaborés par le GAP : Chapeau Politique (Tunis
commitment) et la partie opérationnelle (Tunis Agenda
for Action) qui seront soumis pour considération au
PrepCom-2 par le Président du Comité de Préparation,
en tant que base possible des négociations. Le Second
Chapitre de la partie opérationnelle, concernant les
mécanismes financiers, reste provisoire et devra être
revu au cours du PrepCom-2. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/628/

AN OPEN LETTER ON APC´S CONCERNS ABOUT THE TASK FORCE
ON FINANCIAL MECHANISMS PROCESS, DRAFT FINDINGS AND
CONCLUSIONS
APC’s open letter registers a number of APC´s concerns
about the process, draft findings and conclusions of
the Task Force on Financial Mechanisms for ICTD. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/621/ 


NEWSROOM

INTERROGATING COMMUNICATION RIGHTS: PHILIPPINES HOLDS
VALIDATION WORKSHOP
[Nina Somera/Al Alegre, FMA] After months of research,
the Foundation for Media Alternatives (FMA) convened a
validation workshop to discuss the findings of its
ongoing Philippine Communication Rights Report last
October 6, 2004 at the Institute of Social Order,
Ateneo de Manila University (ADMU).
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/610/ 

CARAVANA RUMBO AL FSM
En enero, una caravana da comunicación partirá de
Recife cruzando Brasil con destino al Forum Social
Mundial, en la ciudad de Porto Alegre. Esta caravana
estará realizando actividades centradas en las
temáticas "Democratización de los Medios", "Derecho a
la Comunicación" y "Forum Social Mundial 2005".
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/636/

FREE SOFTWARE MAGAZINE
Well, Free Software Magazine (issue 1) is out! A new
magazine entirely dedicated to free software. It
contains quality articles relating to both technical
and non-technical issues; all published articles are
released under a free license after their publication.

http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/635/ 

WE'RE CREATIVE COMMONISTS, BILL 
 [By Katie Dean] When Bill Gates referred to copyright
reformers as modern-day > communists in an interview
at the Consumer Electronics Show, it didn't take long
for the web community to respond with a big
"nyah-nyah-nyah." 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/634/ 

UNESCO APPEAL FOR ASSISTANCE IN TSUNAMI AFTERMATH
Programmes and projects relating to emergency relief
and post disaster response in the aftermath of the
Tsunami in Indonesia will have major difficulties if
there are no effective communication channels
available to disseminate information. UNESCO therefore
launches an a appeal for $ 600,000 for immediate
assistance to restore radio broadcasting in Aceh,
Indonesia. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/627/

PUBLIC ONLINE CONSULTATION ON THE CHALLENGES FOR A
EUROPEAN INFORMATION SOCIETY POLICY BEYOND 2005
The European Commission launches a public online
consultation on the challenges for the EU's
Information Society policy beyond 2005. The European
Commission’s view of the challenges that a European
Information Society strategy up to 2010 needs to
address are set out in a Commission communication on
"Challenges for the European Information Society
beyond 2005" that was adopted on 19 November 2004. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/622/

UNITED NATIONS OPENS OFFICIAL DOCUMENT SYSTEM TO
GENERAL PUBLIC
The United Nations today announced the availability of
its Official Document System (ODS), the premier
full-text web resource for official United Nations
documentation, to the general public via
http://documents.un.org, as of 31 December 2004. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/620/ 

AMARC WELCOMES MARRAKESH DECLARATION
The World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters
(AMARC) has welcomed commitments to community media
made at the Marrakesh Conference on "The Role and
Place of the Media in the Information Society in
Africa and the Arab Region" held in Morocco from the
22 to the 24 of November. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/618/

EN 2004 ASESINARON A 117 PERIODISTAS. VEINTE DE ELLOS
DE AMÉRICA LATINA
[Por Hernán Uribe] Según el informe anual de la
Federación Latinoamericana de Periodistas, la región
aporta el 17% de los periodistas asesinados en el
planeta. El 2004 fue trágico para el periodismo pues
se contabilizan 117 asesinados en todos los
continentes, de los cuales 20 corresponden a
Latinoamérica. Este año superó la cifra de 83 caídos
registrada en 2003 y se acercó al número récord de 154
registrado en 1994. 
http://www.crisinfo.org/content/view/full/615/

¿QUIERE PARTICIPAR? FIRME LA CARTA DE CRIS
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fundamenta en el Derecho a Comunicar como un medio de
acrecentar los derechos humanos y fortalecer la vida
social, económica y cultural de las personas y las
comunidades. Para lograrlo, resulta fundamental que
las organizaciones de la sociedad civil se unan para
cooperar en la construcción de una sociedad de la
información basada en principios de transparencia,
diversidad, participación, justicia social y
económica, e inspiradas por la equidad de género y las
perspectivas culturales y regionales. Lo invitamos a
conocer más sobre la Campaña de CRIS y a participar
firmando la Carta de CRIS: 
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Notre vision de la «société de l’information» est
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améliorer la vie sociale, économique et culturelle des
personnes et des communautés. Pour cela, il est
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se réunissent afin d’aider à la construction d’une
société de l’information basée sur les principes de
transparence, de diversité, de participation et de
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approche équitable du rapport des sexes, de la culture
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From muguet at mdpi.org  Fri Jan 21 11:44:08 2005
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Need to know the facts / Les Faits  Re:
  [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and  WGIG
In-Reply-To: <p06200700be1628b6a205@[192.168.1.251]>
References: <s1e9acf9.027@gwia201.syr.edu> <m3zmz92vkn.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org> <41EC146D.6020407@wz-berlin.de> <41F04A95.9020507@mdpi.org> <p06200700be1628b6a205@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <41F0EB08.6070800@mdpi.org>

Dear Robert

> At 1:19 AM +0100 1/21/05, Dr. Francis MUGUET wrote:
>
>>
>> At the last CSB meeting in Capetown, I evoked the WGIG nomination 
>> problem
>> as a *procedural matter* that the CSB should be entitled to deal with.
>
>
>
> As a CSB bureau member I would like to indeed confirm that Francis did 
> raise the issue at the Cape Town meeting.

I raised the issue of this procedure, but  at the CSB meeting in 
CapeTown, I never proposed
a motion or  text of a condemnation by the CSB and propose it to a vote.
It was a raising awareness thing more anything else.
As I wrote "I evoked the issue".
Now, after  all the ongoing  heated debate
 on  various lists for the past weeks, the malaise seems to obviously 
persist, 
I believe now that the CSB should be prepared to adopt  a very short 
formal statement
at its next meeting
( 3 lines, without giving names of course, this is not the time to start 
a witch hunt )
to end the malaise so that we can start the PrepCom2 on a good basis.

> But, to my recollection the bureau did not accept nor endorse 
> Francis's motion.

I did not remind exactly how the discussion went about this topic.
It was not a long and protracted discussion. It was brief
and informal.  Some people said what had happenned was
"definitively wrong", other kept silent,  and none took the defense
of the procedure that has been followed.
In this context,  I did welcome again the initiative of
creating a "Working Methods" groups, and everyone agreed that a
"Working Methods" group was a good thing in general,
the issue was left at this point, and the discussion went to other topics.
There was no motion  that was presented,
 and therefore either formally endorsed or rejected.

Best regards

Francis

>
>
> regards
>
> Robert
>
>
>


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From jsarr at refer.sn  Fri Jan 21 11:40:31 2005
From: jsarr at refer.sn (Joseph Sarr)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: Need to know the facts / Les Faits  Re:  [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <41F04A95.9020507@mdpi.org>
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Message-ID: <1106307630.41f0ea2f000fe@www.refer.sn>

Bonjour ? tous,

J'ai suivi avec beaucoup d'attention tout ce qui se dit autour de la nomination
des membres du WGIG. Ce que j'entends depuis quelques jours d?passe
l'entendement.

Je remercie le Dr MUGUET d'avoir rappel? tout le processus qui n'a pas ?t?
toujours exempt de reproches. Cependant l'heure est au travail. Les proc?dures
de travail adopt?es pour le WGIG permettent ? tous les acteurs impliqu?s dans la
gouvernance de l'Internet en particulier, et dans le WSIS en g?n?ral, d'apporter
leur contribution et leur expertise ? travers des r?unions ouvertes ? tous.
Si on est uniquement motiv? par le souci de faire progresser les choses dans la
bonne direction, je pense que les portes sont grandes ouvertes pour y arriver.
J'esp?re que la sagesse l'emportera sur l'envie de d?truire.

Pour ce qui concerne la r?union du bureau de Cape Town, je confirme qu'il n'a
pas ?t? question de contester la "l?gitimit?" du WGIG et aucune r?solution n'a
?t? prise dans ce sens.

P.S. Bonne f?te pour nos fr?res Musulmans qui c?l?brent l'A?d en ce moment.

Joseph SARR
Membre du WGIG
Point focal des Autorit?s Locales dans le bureau de la soci?t? civile
Pr?sident de la Commission NTIC au Conseil r?gional de Dakar
Enseignant chercheur au D?partement de Physique de la Facult? des Sciences et
Techniques de l'Universit? Cheikh Anta Diop de Dakar

-----------------------------------------------------------
Selon "Dr. Francis MUGUET" <muguet@mdpi.org>:

> English / Fran?ais
> 
> Hello everybody
> 
> >
> > I'd wish we would stop this discussion. To me it seems quite 
> > destructive and seems not lead anywhere.
> > jeanette
> 
> On the contrary, I believe that at that stage a complete explanation and
> thorough investigation of the facts is required, so that similar
> events shall never occur again in the WSIS CS.
> It is part of the healing process otherwise the WSIS CS will be
> always weakenned by unsaid suspicions. This is not an healthy background
> for the next PrepCom2.
> 
> It would be very unfair that people rightfully complaining about the WGIG
> process may be pictured, especially in front of newcomers at this WSIS 
> stage,
> as "extremists". 
> 
>  Concerning this WGIG nomination problem, it is a
> *procedural matter*, a procedure that got wrong, it is not
>  a content issue and to discuss whether Free Software is right or wrong,
>  would simply obscured the issue.
> 
>  At the last CSB meeting in Capetown, I evoked the WGIG nomination problem
>  as a *procedural matter* that the CSB should be entitled to deal with.
> I believe that a formal condemnation by the CSB of the WGIG nomination 
> procedure
> as it has been conducted will be a first step to rebuild confidence between
>  all members of the Civil Society, otherwise people would tend to believe
>  that this kind of procedure corresponds to accepted practises within the
>  Civil Society. It is extremely disturbing  that some people are
>  frightenned to speak out. What kind of Civil Society is this ?
>  Therefore, in preparation of the next PrepCom2, it seems
>  quite necessary that this  scar must be healed, at least concerning
>  the working methods of the Civil Society.
>  it is my impression and my hope that the working group on
>  CS working methods has been precisely created to
>  rebuild  transparency, confidence and trust.
>  
>  The fact that people that should have been selected as
>  members of the WGIG are not now in the WGIG is a consequence of this
>  wrong procedure but this issue must be dealt separately, and
>  seemingly it is going to be more difficult to repair.
>  As a consequence the WGIG lacks legitimacy and credibility.
>  How to fix it, I don't know. May be it is too late, but lets us not
>  destroy the whole WSIS process because of what happened to
>  the WGIG.  This is not the end of the world.
>  After all, governance issues may be and should be fully discussed
>  during the PrepCom2,  the thematic groups may get in full action
>  there, the WGIG is only an advisory board, and the important thing
> is that the limits of the WGIG action should be carefully  underlined
>  under those circumstances. The CS WGIG members shall not
>  be allowed to speak in the name of the whole WSIS Civil Society.
>  Thematics groups that feel that some issues are not studied, or not
>  well studied  or their opinions not represented are free to contact
>  Kummer as he told himself.
> 
>  So let us be constructive. Lets heal the procedural issue by a CSB
>  condemnation and go forward with a clear conscience towards
>  PrepCom2, and for the WGIG composition itself, we shall see how
>  the governance issues are dealt with at PrepCom2.
> 
> My account and analysis of the facts as they unfolded is documented there :
> http://www.wsis-pct.org/wgig.html
> I tried to be as accurate as possible, and if there is any factual
> error please let me know.
> 
> I will post on a next message this account in a text format,
> so that people that are not connected at the time they read
> their mail can be informed too.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Francis
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> 
> Bonjour
> 
> Au contraire, je crois qu'? ce stade,  une explication compl?te des 
> faits est exig?e,
> de sorte que les ?v?nements semblables ne puissent  jamais se produire  
> dans la SC du SMSI.
>  Cela fait partie du processus de reconciliation
> autrement la SC du SMSI sera toujours affaiblie par des soup?ons et des 
> nondits. 
> Ce n'est pas une base saine pour le prochain PrepCom2. 
> Il serait tr?s injuste que les gens se plaignant l?gitimimeent au sujet 
> du processus de WGIG puissent ?tre d?crits,
> particuli?rement aux nouveaux venus ? cette ?tape du SMSI, comme des 
> "extr?mistes". 
> 
> Pour ce qui concerne ce probl?me de nomination de WGIG, c'est  une 
> *mati?re proc?durale *,
> un proc?dure qui a d?rraill?e, ce n'est pas un probl?me de contenu par 
> exemple
> concernant  le logiciel libre, ce serait obscurcir les d?bats l'issue. 
> 
> Lors de la derni?re r?union du CSB au Cap Capetown,
> j'ai ?voqu? le probl?me de nomination de WGIG comme une *  mati?re 
> proc?durale *
> avec laquelle le CSB devrait ?tre en droit de s'occuper.
>  Je crois qu'une condamnation formelle par le CSB du proc?d? de 
> nomination de WGIG
> comme il a ?t? conduite serait une premi?re ?tape pour reconstruire la 
> confiance
> entre tous les membres de la soci?t? civile,
> autrement les gens tendraient ? croire que ce genre de proc?d?
> correspond ? une pratique admise chez la soci?t? civile.
>  Il est extr?mement pr?occupant que certains sont effray? de parler . 
> Quel genre de soci?t? civile nous batissons ? 
> 
> Par cons?quent, en pr?paration du prochain PrepCom2, il semble tout ? 
> fait n?cessaire
> que cette cicatrice doit ?tre gu?rie,
> au moins au sujet des m?thodes de travail de la soci?t? civile. 
> il est mon impression et mon espoir que le groupe de travail sur des 
> m?thodes de travail de CS a ?t? cr?e
> justement pour reconstruire la confiance.
> 
>  Il va ?tre plus difficiles r?parer le fait que les gens
> qui devraient avoir ?t? choisis comme membres du WGIG
> ne le soient pas maintenant.
> C'est une cons?quence de ce mauvais proc?d? mais cette probl?matique
> doit ?tre r?gl?e s?par?ment.
>  Par cons?quent le WGIG manque de la l?gitimit? et de la cr?dibilit?. 
> Comment reparer cette tare ? , je ne sais pas. 
> J'ai peur qu'il ne soit est trop tard, mais ne laissons ne pas d?truire 
> le processus entier du SMSI
> en raison de ce qui est arriv? au WGIG.  Ce n'est pas la fin du monde !. 
> Apr?s tout, les probl?mes de gouvernenance peuvent ?tre et devraient 
> ?tre enti?rement discut?es pendant le PrepCom2,
> les groupes th?matiques peuvent  y entrer en pleine action,
> le WGIG est seulement un comit? consultatif, et la chose importante est 
> que les limites de l'action de WGIG devraient
> ?tre soigneusement soulign?es dans ces circonstances. 
> On ne permettra pas aux les membres du CS WGIG de parler au nom de la 
> soci?t? civile enti?re du SMSI.
>  Les groupes th?matiques qui estiment que des probl?matqiues ne sont pas 
> ou mal ?tudi?es, ou leurs opinions
> non repr?sent?s sont libres d'entrer en contact avec Kummer comme il l'a 
> dit lui m?me.
> 
> Soyons constructifs. Gu?rissons l'issue proc?durale par une condamnation 
> de CSB et
> qu'on aille en avant  avec une conscience claire vers le PrepCom2,
> et pour la composition en WGIG lui-m?me, nous verrons bien comment les 
> probl?mes de gouvernance
>  seront trait?s au PrepCom2.
> 
> Mon compte-rendu et analyse des faits  est document? ici: 
> http://www.wsis-pct.org/wgig.html  ( traduction automatique disponible )
> J'ai essay? d'?tre aussi pr?cis comme possible, et s'il y a une erreur 
> de fait,  dites le moi savoir. 
> 
> Cordialement
> 
> Francis
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------ 
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> 
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> 
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From muguet at mdpi.org  Fri Jan 21 13:44:38 2005
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: Need to know the facts / Les Faits  Re:  [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT
 and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <1106307630.41f0ea2f000fe@www.refer.sn>
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Message-ID: <41F10746.5010907@mdpi.org>

Bonjour Joseph

>Bonjour ? tous,
>
>J'ai suivi avec beaucoup d'attention tout ce qui se dit autour de la nomination
>des membres du WGIG. Ce que j'entends depuis quelques jours d?passe
>l'entendement.
>  
>
Effectivement, cel? suprends.

>Je remercie le Dr MUGUET d'avoir rappel? tout le processus qui n'a pas ?t?
>toujours exempt de reproches. Cependant l'heure est au travail. Les proc?dures
>de travail adopt?es pour le WGIG permettent ? tous les acteurs impliqu?s dans la
>gouvernance de l'Internet en particulier, et dans le WSIS en g?n?ral, d'apporter
>leur contribution et leur expertise ? travers des r?unions ouvertes ? tous.
>  
>
Justement, comme je viens de le rappeler ? Vittorio sur la liste PCT, et 
comme je l'ai
post?, aucune r?gle de confidentialit? n'empeche les membres du WGIG 
(tel que toi)
de prendre l'initiative de consulter les groupes de travail ( PCT, 
Finance,  Privacy et d'autres )
 sur les probl?mes de fond qui y sont discut?s, pas le texte exact.

>Si on est uniquement motiv? par le souci de faire progresser les choses dans la
>bonne direction, je pense que les portes sont grandes ouvertes pour y arriver.
>J'esp?re que la sagesse l'emportera sur l'envie de d?truire.
>
>Pour ce qui concerne la r?union du bureau de Cape Town, je confirme qu'il n'a
>pas ?t? question de contester la "l?gitimit?" du WGIG,
>
Je n'ai effectivement pas pose? la question en ces termes, en seulement 
en terme de proc?dure
irr?guli?re au sein de la soci?t? civile, donc un processus interne ? la 
soci?t? civile.
La Soci?t? Civile et le CSB serait bien mal plac?e pour contester la 
l?gitimit? du WGIG aupr?s
de l'ONU, sachant que l'ONU a ent?rin? d'une mani?re tr?s inclusive les 
candidats qui lui ont
propos? par la Soci?t? Civile.
Je pense que la Soci?t? Civile a manqu? une occasion magnifique pour le 
WGIG et il
faut en tirer les le?ons, pour corriger le tir.
Par cons?quent, consid?rant les conditions de nomination du WGIG, il 
faut que
tous les membres du WGIG soient non seulement receptifs, mais aussi
prennent l'initiative de consulter les groupes th?matiques.

Concernant la TFFM, cette occassion ne s'est m?me pas produite, et la SC 
n'a m?me
pas ?t? consult?e,  et le CSB a formellement approuv? la motion que j'ai 
?crite
concernant la proc?dure du TFFM.

Cordialement

Francis


> et aucune r?solution n'a
>?t? prise dans ce sens.
>
>P.S. Bonne f?te pour nos fr?res Musulmans qui c?l?brent l'A?d en ce moment.
>
>Joseph SARR
>Membre du WGIG
>Point focal des Autorit?s Locales dans le bureau de la soci?t? civile
>Pr?sident de la Commission NTIC au Conseil r?gional de Dakar
>Enseignant chercheur au D?partement de Physique de la Facult? des Sciences et
>Techniques de l'Universit? Cheikh Anta Diop de Dakar
>
>  
>

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From rikp at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 21 16:02:19 2005
From: rikp at earthlink.net (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS folks at World Social Forum?
Message-ID: <31657132.1106323339322.JavaMail.root@beaker.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Dear Friends,

I will be at the World Social Forum in Porto Alegre next week on behalf of CONGO, mostly participating in meetings relating to UN reform and the Millennium Development Goals.  But if there are WSIS related meetings planned, I will be happy to attend also.  I know that APC and the CRIS campaign plan to have a presence there already.

I probably will not be reachable by phone, but will try and access my email from time to time.

Rik Panganiban

===============================================
RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator

Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations (CONGO) 
web: http://www.ngocongo.org
email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524 

From valeriab at apc.org  Fri Jan 21 16:13:36 2005
From: valeriab at apc.org (Valeria Betancourt)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS folks at World Social Forum?
In-Reply-To: <31657132.1106323339322.JavaMail.root@beaker.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
References: <31657132.1106323339322.JavaMail.root@beaker.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200501211113.36572.valeriab@apc.org>

Hello Rik: 

Information about an activity organised by AMARC.

SATURDAY 29th JANUARY, ROOM D102, 12.00 - 15.00
Communication Rights and the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) 
- Campaign Assessment

Evaluation of civil society involvement in the World Summit on the Information 
Society and discussion on strategy for the WSIS Summit to be held in Tunisia 
in November 2005. The workshop will take the form of a round table including 
dialogue with independent civil society organisations from Tunisia working in 
the human rights field. The objective of the workshop is to develop a 
strategy to defend and promote communication rights at the WSIS Summit.

Participants:  Elizabeth Robinson (Moderator), Steve Buckley (AMARC), Sihem 
Bensedrine (OLPEC, Tunisie), Mokhtar Trifi (Ligue tunisienne des droits de 
l'homme), Gustavo Gomez (AMARC-ALC) and others
Translation available (ES, EN, PT)


Valeria 


On Friday 21 January 2005 11:02, Rik Panganiban wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> I will be at the World Social Forum in Porto Alegre next week on behalf of
> CONGO, mostly participating in meetings relating to UN reform and the
> Millennium Development Goals.  But if there are WSIS related meetings
> planned, I will be happy to attend also.  I know that APC and the CRIS
> campaign plan to have a presence there already.
>
> I probably will not be reachable by phone, but will try and access my email
> from time to time.
>
> Rik Panganiban
>
> ===============================================
> RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
>
> Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations
> (CONGO) web: http://www.ngocongo.org
> email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------
Valeria Betancourt
Coordinadora
Monitor de Pol?ticas de TIC en Am?rica Latina y El Caribe
http://lac.derechos.apc.org
Tel: +593 (2) 2-234447 Fax: +593 (2) 2-559440
APC ~ La Asociaci?n para el Progreso de las Comunicaciones
http://www.apc.org ? ?

From avri at acm.org  Fri Jan 21 16:18:33 2005
From: avri at acm.org (avri@acm.org)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: Need to know the facts / Les Faits  Re:  [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <41F04A95.9020507@mdpi.org>
References: <s1e9acf9.027@gwia201.syr.edu> <m3zmz92vkn.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org> <41EC146D.6020407@wz-berlin.de> <41F04A95.9020507@mdpi.org>
Message-ID: <18EA5B42-6BC8-11D9-8C82-000393CC2112@acm.org>

Hi,

As one of those selected for the WGIG, I would like to contribute a few 
remarks to this discussion.  I do this with a certain amount of 
trepidation,  but I do feel that those who disagree with the most vocal 
position at this point should not sit silently by as good people are 
condemned.

- I do not consider myself as speaking in any way for Civil Society.  I 
am, however, beholden to Civil Society and consider it incumbent on me 
to take Civil Society, in its myriad manifestations, into account in 
expressing the views I do express during the WGIG process.

- To go further, within the WGIG, no one represents anyone, including 
those who are diplomats and members of a national delegation.  One of 
the reasons put forward for some degree of closed meeting and for the 
non-attribution rules (so called Chatham House rules) is to allow all 
WGIG members, to speak freely as specialists without fear of 
repercussion from their governments or employers.

- The decision on membership _was made_ by Kofi Annan, as recommended 
by Marcus Kummer.  There has been an implication in this discussion 
thread that they accepted the list proposed as a result of CS decision 
procedure without further consideration.  Yet, if one inspects the 2 
lists suggested by CS, of suggested members and of connectors, one can 
see that 2 of the WGIG members were selected from the connectors list.  
It is clear to me that KA/MK took the combined list into account when 
creating the WG and felt free to pick as many people from the connector 
list as they wished. As the connector list included people recommended 
from the thematic groups, my assumption is that all areas had full 
consideration in the process KA/MK used to create the WG.

- The composition of the WGIG was done very carefully by KA/MK to try 
to achieve multistakeholder balance while limiting the size of the 
group and I believe they made their choices very much in harmony with 
Civil Society's procedural recommendations. I believe that for any 
pertinent specialty, one can go down the WGIG list and find someone 
with knowledge of that specialty in the WGIG.  The person many not come 
from any particular stakeholder segment; i.e. may originate from the 
diplomatic field instead of civil society, or may be female instead of 
male but the skill set will be represented.  I think one will also find 
that most of the members have multiple areas of knowledge.

- I do think the CS selection procedure was flawed in one sense,  but I 
do _not_ think this flaw has anything to do with the people who made 
the recommendations.  The flaw belong to CS in general in that we in CS 
were unable to decide on a full selection mechanism before nominees 
were named.  From my experience this is always a recipe for 
repercussions.  No matter how careful a group is, and I believe that 
this group was as careful as possible given the press of deadlines, 
when the selection procedure is decided on after nominees are named it 
is open to hard feelings and condemnation.

- What I think is most important is that now is not a time for 
aspersions or condemnation of the people who took on the difficult and 
dangerous task of making selections in the absence of a pre-agreed 
procedure.  It is rather the time to decide on procedures for the 
future so that this does not happen again.  For several months before 
the deadline, CS was unable to decide on a method of selection, though 
many suggestions were made.  With the upcoming PrepCom we are again at 
risk of not having a method of selection, in this case for our 
meetings, and risk repercussions.  I am concerned that we are spending 
all of our energy arguing about the past instead of working to make 
sure that we learn for the future.

a.


From magaly at greatvideo.com  Fri Jan 21 16:38:05 2005
From: magaly at greatvideo.com (magaly pazello)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS folks at World Social Forum?
In-Reply-To: <31657132.1106323339322.JavaMail.root@beaker.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
References: <31657132.1106323339322.JavaMail.root@beaker.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <D3395BE3-6BCA-11D9-A6EC-000A95B172C6@greatvideo.com>

Hello Rick,
I will be there too. I will attend the Feminist Dialog, the meetings 
around Beijing+10 and the campaing against all forms of fundamentalism. 
I'm also envolved in the CRIS brasil that have organized a workshop on 
the process in Brazil (28th).

The WNSP-APC is organizing a workshop on Women and ICTs, "Redes para el 
cambio y el empoderamiento:Construyendo una agenda del movimiento de 
mujeres para las pol?ticas de TIC" (Networks for change and 
empowerment: building an woemn's movement agenda for ICTs policies). 
(27th)

I will be in the panel on Privatization of Nature and Knowledge 
organized by Heinrich Boell Foundation (27th - Cais do Porto - Porto 
Alegre Wharf)

And also will be reacheble by email.

Cheers,
Magaly

On 21/01/2005, at 14:02, Rik Panganiban wrote:

> Dear Friends,
>
> I will be at the World Social Forum in Porto Alegre next week on 
> behalf of CONGO, mostly participating in meetings relating to UN 
> reform and the Millennium Development Goals.  But if there are WSIS 
> related meetings planned, I will be happy to attend also.  I know that 
> APC and the CRIS campaign plan to have a presence there already.
>
> I probably will not be reachable by phone, but will try and access my 
> email from time to time.
>
> Rik Panganiban
>
> ===============================================
> RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
>
> Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United 
> Nations (CONGO)
> web: http://www.ngocongo.org
> email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>


From raoul.weiler at skynet.be  Fri Jan 21 17:07:43 2005
From: raoul.weiler at skynet.be (Raoul Weiler)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS folks at World Social Forum?
References: <31657132.1106323339322.JavaMail.root@beaker.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <002801c4ffdb$ba938fd0$0b01a8c0@computer03>

To Rik Panganiban,

I will be in Porte Alegre too and do the presentation
of our initiative with UNESCO on digital divide.

The conference at Porte Alegre is on January 27 in Room A 105
time afternoon (Turn 3! I have not yet more precise time).

I attach the flyer of our World Conference.

Cordially,

Raoul Weiler
Club of Rome

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rik Panganiban" <rikp@earthlink.net>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:02 PM
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS folks at World Social Forum?


> Dear Friends,
>
> I will be at the World Social Forum in Porto Alegre next week on behalf of 
> CONGO, mostly participating in meetings relating to UN reform and the 
> Millennium Development Goals.  But if there are WSIS related meetings 
> planned, I will be happy to attend also.  I know that APC and the CRIS 
> campaign plan to have a presence there already.
>
> I probably will not be reachable by phone, but will try and access my 
> email from time to time.
>
> Rik Panganiban
>
> ===============================================
> RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
>
> Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations 
> (CONGO)
> web: http://www.ngocongo.org
> email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 
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From gurstein at ADM.NJIT.EDU  Wed Jan 19 14:51:19 2005
From: gurstein at ADM.NJIT.EDU (Gurstein, Michael)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] FW: OV USER EMAIL UPDATE Jan. 18, 2005
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From mueller at syr.edu  Fri Jan 21 17:58:39 2005
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS folks at World Social Forum?
Message-ID: <s1f0fc93.000@gwia201.syr.edu>

Rik:
Hi! Christiane Page from our research project will be there, trying to
track communication-information policy activity and activists.

--MM



From acarvin at edc.org  Fri Jan 21 21:35:01 2005
From: acarvin at edc.org (Andy Carvin)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] "mobcasting" from the Harvard blogging conference
Message-ID: <41F17585.9060203@edc.org>

Hi everyone,

Ethan Zuckerman and I are "mobcasting" from the Harvard blogging 
conference today: posting audio podcasts from our mobile phones to a 
group blog. It's a small-scale experiment in the mobcasting concept, 
which I've been wondering about as a tool for WSIS. The idea is to 
create a blog in which all CS delegates can post audio blogs (podcasts) 
by calling a telephone number and leaving a voicemail message that then 
gets converted into an MP3 file and posted on a blog. It would allow 
delegates who don't have their own blogs to still post audio commentary 
onto a blog that can be accessed around the world.

There are many technical challenges to overcome - getting it to work 
outside of the US (you have to dial a US phone number), feasibility of 
doing it with open source tools rather than the ones I'm using, etc. But 
it might be worth exploring. It's yet another reason I hope we can 
organize a face-to-face meeting at the next Prepcom about online 
communications strategies, and perhaps a conference call or virtual 
conference prior to the prepcom to talk about these issues.... -ac



-- 
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Program Director
EDC Center for Media & Community
acarvin @ edc . org
http://www.digitaldivide.net
http://www.tsunami-info.org
Blog: http://www.andycarvin.com
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From veni at veni.com  Sat Jan 22 08:15:48 2005
From: veni at veni.com (veni markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Need to know the facts / Les Faits  Re:  [WSIS CS-Plenary]
 PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <18EA5B42-6BC8-11D9-8C82-000393CC2112@acm.org>
References: <s1e9acf9.027@gwia201.syr.edu>
 <m3zmz92vkn.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org>
 <41EC146D.6020407@wz-berlin.de>
 <41F04A95.9020507@mdpi.org>
 <18EA5B42-6BC8-11D9-8C82-000393CC2112@acm.org>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050122095337.038a9cf0@198.111.183.129>

At 11:18 21-01-2005 -0500, Avri wrote:
>Hi,
>
>
>- What I think is most important is that now is not a time for aspersions 
>or condemnation of the people who took on the difficult and dangerous task 
>of making selections in the absence of a pre-agreed procedure.  It is 
>rather the time to decide on procedures for the future so that this does 
>not happen again.  For several months before the deadline, CS was unable 
>to decide on a method of selection, though many suggestions were 
>made.  With the upcoming PrepCom we are again at risk of not having a 
>method of selection, in this case for our meetings, and risk 
>repercussions.  I am concerned that we are spending all of our energy 
>arguing about the past instead of working to make sure that we learn for 
>the future.

I agree fully.
One of the reasons why we're not quite active in this forum is precisely 
that. The great spirit from the first WSIS and PrepComs was lost somewhere 
in cyberspace on the road to the next PrepCom in Geneva in February.

I'd say that this is partly due to the personal agendas of some of the 
participants, which had priority upon the interests of the CS caucus. And 
no, please, don't ask me who are those participants. I prefer to open a 
discussion on the state of the CS within WSIS than waste time on individuals.

I propose that we stop focusing on the WGIG - it's not normal that we 
discuss in January 2005 how it was formed!?!? We have to help WGIG by all 
means we have! Their work is important for the whole Internet community, as 
so far no one has been dealing on such a level with spam, cybercrime, 
access to information, control over ISPs, etc., etc.

As for the CS Bureau,
let me remind you also that it was created with totally different aim; the 
fact that now it's meeting wherever, shows that slowly and surely it has 
become (or tries to become) a powerful tool. Perhaps some people were aware 
of this bureacratic process, and have joined it at some stage, when they 
realized this power?

In anycase, I've been upset by the fact that in our work as CS, it turned 
out that tolerance does not seem to exist. The fact that whoever was 
stronger (louder) prevailed makes me worry if the whole idea of the CSB is 
not so good as it seemed back in Geneva, when we were forming the Bureau. 
Just a short memory from then - I volunteered to organize the North America 
- Europe family (caucus). There were NO candidates to join this family 
during the first 3 days. Only on the fourth day Hans Klein showed up, 
together with some other 3-4 people, and this is how the NA-Europe caucus 
was formed, and he became representative to the CSB from NA, and I - from 
Europe.

Now, on one hand - why do people complain today, if they could have 
participated yesterday, but they did not?

Come on, let's concentrate on today and tomorrow, not on yesterday. If you 
want to make a difference, you have to be sure you contribute, and not ruin.

best,
veni




From jsarr at refer.sn  Sat Jan 22 11:36:50 2005
From: jsarr at refer.sn (Joseph Sarr)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Need to know the facts / Les Faits  Re:  [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050122095337.038a9cf0@198.111.183.129>
References: <s1e9acf9.027@gwia201.syr.edu> <m3zmz92vkn.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org> <41EC146D.6020407@wz-berlin.de> <41F04A95.9020507@mdpi.org> <18EA5B42-6BC8-11D9-8C82-000393CC2112@acm.org> <6.2.0.14.2.20050122095337.038a9cf0@198.111.183.129>
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Selon veni markovski <veni@veni.com>:

> I propose that we stop focusing on the WGIG - it's not normal that we 
> discuss in January 2005 how it was formed!?!? We have to help WGIG by all 
> means we have! Their work is important for the whole Internet community, as
> so far no one has been dealing on such a level with spam, cybercrime, 
> access to information, control over ISPs, etc., etc.

Cher Veni,

Je pense que votre appel est sage. 
Il faut aider le WGIG par des r?flexions, des orientations et des propositions.
Les sp?cialistes et les experts des diff?rents domaines relatifs ? la
gouvernance de l'Internet, qui ne sont pas membres du WGIG, peuvent participer
aux r?unions ouvertes du WGIG et faire conna?tre leur position. 
Ils peuvent ?galement utiliser le canal des membres du WGIG provenant de la
soci?t? civile (qui doivent tous ?tre consid?r?s comme des connecteurs) pour
introduire, quand c'est n?cessaire, des propositions.
Salutations cordiales

Joseph




From greve at fsfeurope.org  Sat Jan 22 11:47:46 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Need to know the facts / Les Faits  Re:  [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050122095337.038a9cf0@198.111.183.129> (veni
	markovski's message of "Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:15:48 +0200")
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 || On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:15:48 +0200
 || veni markovski <veni@veni.com> wrote: 

 vm> The great spirit from the first WSIS and PrepComs was lost
 vm> somewhere in cyberspace on the road to the next PrepCom in Geneva
 vm> in February.

I agree fully with that sentiment.


 vm> Come on, let's concentrate on today and tomorrow, not on
 vm> yesterday.

Those who do not learn from the mistakes of the past are bound to
repeat them, so unfortunately it seems that this discussion was quite
necessary.

When leaving away the rhethorics and attempts at discrediting those
who were playing the unfortunate role of messenger, what remains is a
quite clear picture of the facts. That raising legitimate questions
creates such an immediate and at time violent response instead of
seeking for ways of addressing them is also quite interesting.

So for me the discussion has indeed greatly clarified some things.

But I agree with you that continuing the discussion in this form on
this forum will not get any constructive results, which is why I
deliberately stopped writing on Tuesday (IIRC).

And even though it is tempting to point out the problems with the
latest mails, I will resist that temptation and not go back into the
discussion.


I will however gladly discuss this in private with anyone who is
interested. Later today I'll be on my plane to Porto Alegre to
participate in the World Social Forum and to participate in a session
about

 Digital Revolution: Knowledge Sharing x Imprisonment on Information Society
 28 Jan, 15:30am - 18:30am, Room: A105

with people from the Brazilian government and the Free Software
movement, as well as Yochai Benkler, Professor of Law at Yale.

Please feel free to get in touch.

Regards,
Georg

-- 
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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Sat Jan 22 15:23:19 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Need to know the facts / Les Faits  Re: 
 [WSIS CS-Plenary]  PCT and WGIG
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Veni:

I was thinking of responding to you - privately - to express my 
thoughts, agreements, and disagreements on your recent message.


I am keen to hear your points and the specific concerns that you have.


At 10:15 AM +0200 1/22/05, veni markovski wrote:
>One of the reasons why we're not quite active in this forum is 
>precisely that. The great spirit from the first WSIS and PrepComs 
>was lost somewhere in cyberspace on the road to the next PrepCom in 
>Geneva in February.


I will agree with you that the first phase, and in particular the 
first precom was quite different. In fact i'd go further and say that 
the physical meetings are quite different, in a way more productive 
that the road in between here in cyberspace.

this is due to many reasons.  Personally i think that physical 
meetings give people the opportunity to be better informed and the 
meetings tend to be moderated and/or facilitated. That facilitation 
just does not occur on this list - and as such anyone with a 
particular agenda, crazy idea, or just spam - can just put it forward 
and we are all forced to endure it.

This does not happen on other lists where discussion is more focused 
around  a particular topic and/or  subject area. The youth caucus 
list, as well as the recently created Working Methods Working Group 
list is an example - there people are keen to get things discussed, 
reach consensus and move forward.

My take on what happens here is that due to the lack of facilitation 
the space has become more of a shouting match and a lurkers paradise. 
I say lurkers paradise, as there are far more people listening 
passively than saying anything. Their silence is worrisome, as are 
the desperate pleas people have on occasion to leave the list when 
the virtual battles break out .


>I'd say that this is partly due to the personal agendas of some of 
>the participants, which had priority upon the interests of the CS 
>caucus. And no, please, don't ask me who are those participants. I 
>prefer to open a discussion on the state of the CS within WSIS than 
>waste time on individuals.

I would agree that part of the reason that the discussion has failed 
to be productive on here is the reason you state. We should perhaps 
think why is it that it happens in this space and not in the physical 
face to face meetings.

Given what happened at the last precom you'd think this space would 
have shifted to french and arabic and be discussing Tunisian issues. 
Instead, since june of last year the vast majority of discussion has 
been around  free software and the politics around that. it has 
consumed far too much of the discussion and there hasn't been any way 
to start other threads, other discussions on items that are also 
important in the UN context.

One also has to recognize that we all come into the WSIS process with 
our own agendas and  our own objectives . One always has to take this 
into consideration.

>I propose that we stop focusing on the WGIG - it's not normal that 
>we discuss in January 2005 how it was formed!?!?

Agree 100% enough said.


>We have to help WGIG by all means we have! Their work is important 
>for the whole Internet community, as so far no one has been dealing 
>on such a level with spam, cybercrime, access to information, 
>control over ISPs, etc., etc.

Agree 100%


>As for the CS Bureau,

interested to hear your comments..

>let me remind you also that it was created with totally different 
>aim; the fact that now it's meeting wherever, shows that slowly and 
>surely it has become (or tries to become) a powerful tool. Perhaps 
>some people were aware of this bureacratic process, and have joined 
>it at some stage, when they realized this power?

Agendas are at play in the bureau as well. To what extent it stays to 
it's original solely logistical mandate or tries to expand it ever so 
slowly to be more political will  balance between the personal agenda 
of those involved and the  force of the CS and the plenary to keep 
things in check

As you may know, I am on the bureau and have many issues with how it 
seems to be evolving. I have repeatedly called for greater 
transparency, accountability, openness and a narrow well defined 
focus as was originally specified when the bureau was created in Feb 
03. I have not been alone in the bureau in expressing concern - Sean 
and many others  have in the past and continue to this day  to 
express grave concerns about its legitimacy.

Instead of keeping quiet i have raised the issues both in the 
physical meetings and also online (on this list and on the bureau 
one) in this regard. Many of my questions have gone unanswered - this 
is most worrisome.

An example, the blog entry which I posted both here and on the 
(publicly accessible) bureau list has gone without any reply or 
comment. it would have been great to have heard your comments when I 
posted the note.

http://www.privaterra.org/activities/wsis/blog/csb_thoughts.html
CSB Mailing list archive (which is public) can be accessed at the 
following address:
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/public/bureau/

note: If you go through this month's posts you'll see that i'm an 
active poster and have many concerns that a. have been expressed, and 
b. are without reply from others.

A specific issue raised at the Cape Town meeting which is likely to 
be problematic is the one of representation of the bureau in outside 
spaces. Some raised the idea that a figurehead, a person with 
political responsibilities be defined. This proposal was - VERY 
controversial as it was seen as a significant and clear shift away 
from the purely logistical mandate the bureau should and must follow.

Those wanting to develop the political aspect insured that the 
proposal would be discussed and elaborated on-line.  Despite repeated 
requests and ample time since the Cape Town meeting this past 
December - such a discussion has not occurred.

The proposal seems to me to be a specific agenda being put forward by 
a set of actors. It should be known by all and discussed. That people 
don't want to discuss it means either they agree with the proposal, 
or frankly don't care.


>In anycase, I've been upset by the fact that in our work as CS, it 
>turned out that tolerance does not seem to exist. The fact that 
>whoever was stronger (louder) prevailed makes me worry if the whole 
>idea of the CSB is not so good as it seemed back in Geneva, when we 
>were forming the Bureau.

In certain cases the loud voices did prevail, but not always.

>Just a short memory from then - I volunteered to organize the North 
>America - Europe family (caucus).

there were several of us there. If i recall there was about 10-12 
persons in the room when we met at the ILO building in Feb 03

>There were NO candidates to join this family during the first 3 days.

let's shine more detail on the meeting in question you are referring to...

People did put names forward. I was one of the persons who was 
suggested as the CSB focal point. Given my status at that time as a 
civil society advisor to the official Canadian Government delegation 
I suggested that the position go to CPSR as an organization. This was 
agreed to, and you and Hans (as CPSR delegates may i add) agreed to 
attend and represent both the caucus and the organization at the 
bureau meetings. If I recall well - I also mentioned that I would be 
willing to assume the responsibility when my involvement with the 
Canadian government delegation was concluded.

Note: My accepting to be a member of the official Canadian Government 
delegation required me to sign an agreement which committed me to be 
bound by certain limitations, and non disclosure requirements. One of 
the clauses of the agreement required me to seek approval of the head 
of delegation before being involved in any processes inside the WSIS. 
Such approval was not given and I was requested to refrain until 
after  PrepCom 2 to participate.


>Only on the fourth day Hans Klein showed up, together with some 
>other 3-4 people, and this is how the NA-Europe caucus was formed, 
>and he became representative to the CSB from NA, and I - from Europe.

As I mentioned above - there were more persons there. I was there. I 
don't remember the distinction being made at the time between NA & 
Europe as the Focal point position at the time - and still - is to 
represent the North American and European Group. This mirrors the UN 
WEOG group.


At  Precom 3 i came to the CSB meeting as an observe and neither Hans 
nor you showed up to represent the caucus. Given CPSR as an 
organization had been given the position, and seeing i was at the 
event in that capacity - i went ahead and moved from observer to 
occupying the CPSR chair.

I could go on - but don't think it's effective. All I have to do is 
ask you - if you want to be involved on the WSIS CSB again? If so, 
let me know.

Other than PrepCom 1 (first phase), I have attended the WSIS meetings 
at my own personal expense. Compared to the other actors involved - I 
can honestly say that my agenda is one of transparency and just 
getting things done.

Other actors definitely have other agendas and that is to be expected.


>Now, on one hand - why do people complain today, if they could have 
>participated yesterday, but they did not?
>
>Come on, let's concentrate on today and tomorrow, not on yesterday. 
>If you want to make a difference, you have to be sure you 
>contribute, and not ruin.

I agree that we should try to be forward looking, proactive and 
engaged and remember that WSIS is a UN process. it's not a shouting 
match, a protest meeting - but an international meeting where the 
formal and informal rules of diplomacy apply.

For CS to be effective, it has to be strategic. Claudia Padovani has 
put forward some ideas as to how to proceed , i ask others to do the 
same.

As for me, I will state that between now and the PrepCom my focus 
will be one specific CS issues, and  preparation  and strategy for 
the precom. I would ask others to state their intention and focus as 
well.

regards

Robert











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Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From veni at veni.com  Sat Jan 22 15:55:16 2005
From: veni at veni.com (veni markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Need to know the facts / Les Faits 
  Re:  [WSIS CS-Plenary]  PCT and WGIG
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At 10:23 22-01-2005 -0500, Robert Guerra wrote:
>Veni:
>
>I was thinking of responding to you - privately - to express my thoughts, 
>agreements, and disagreements on your recent message.

It's better to do it on the list, so thanks for posting here. I have not 
read your message, but as I see it's big, decided to read and respond 
accordingly.

>Their silence is worrisome, as are the desperate pleas people have on 
>occasion to leave the list when the virtual battles break out .

The silence shows lack of interest, too. Or the fact that there are topics 
which are being discussed, which are not relevant for the majority of the 
people. I don't have the time now to do some calculation, and may be 
someone has done it already to see how many are the active participants on 
this list?

>>I'd say that this is partly due to the personal agendas of some of the 
>>participants, which had priority upon the interests of the CS caucus. And 
>>no, please, don't ask me who are those participants. I prefer to open a 
>>discussion on the state of the CS within WSIS than waste time on individuals.
>
>I would agree that part of the reason that the discussion has failed to be 
>productive on here is the reason you state. We should perhaps think why is 
>it that it happens in this space and not in the physical face to face meetings.

Well, I'd love to see such a discussion, if we can create it somehow - and 
in a positive direction. But in the mailing list there's too much "spam", 
or not-relevant messages, which makes this difficult to follow. E.g. I 
noticed the current subject only when Avri wrote on it. But it was not the 
first message; so the first few messages were lost for me, and I had to go 
back to find them.

>Given what happened at the last precom you'd think this space would have 
>shifted to french and arabic and be discussing Tunisian issues. Instead, 
>since june of last year the vast majority of discussion has been 
>around  free software and the politics around that. it has consumed far 
>too much of the discussion and there hasn't been any way to start other 
>threads, other discussions on items that are also important in the UN context.

Instead of focusing on Tunisian issues, perhaps we should focus on more 
global issues, not even (and only) FOSS (and running www.foss.bg I have 
some good grounds to say so!).

>One also has to recognize that we all come into the WSIS process with our 
>own agendas and  our own objectives . One always has to take this into 
>consideration.

Of course! The only problem is how to make sure our own agenda do not 
prevail upon the interests of the global society.


>Instead of keeping quiet i have raised the issues both in the physical 
>meetings and also online (on this list and on the bureau one) in this 
>regard. Many of my questions have gone unanswered - this is most worrisome.

Who did you address those questions to?

>An example, the blog entry which I posted both here and on the (publicly 
>accessible) bureau list has gone without any reply or comment. it would 
>have been great to have heard your comments when I posted the note.

Unfortunately I don't have much of a time for reading blogs; and also - may 
be your note has gone unnoticed in the massive mailing (more than 6000 
messages on WSIS!).

>note: If you go through this month's posts you'll see that i'm an active 
>poster and have many concerns that a. have been expressed, and b. are 
>without reply from others.

the fact that you post is good, the fact that there's no answer (but who 
should answer???) is indeed worrying.

>A specific issue raised at the Cape Town meeting which is likely to be 
>problematic is the one of representation of the bureau in outside

How many members is now the CSB? How many were in Cape Town?


>let's shine more detail on the meeting in question you are referring to...

the details in history are not relevant; I only say that the American way 
is more active for a number of reasons (and many people here, who are NOT 
from the West, are also worried about it!). One of them, if not the 
biggest, is that civil society and non-governmental organizations in this 
part of the world have a long history. In other parts of the world, even 
belonging to an NGO, or claiming to be from the civil society may put you, 
well, if not in jail, at least in danger.


>I could go on - but don't think it's effective. All I have to do is ask 
>you - if you want to be involved on the WSIS CSB again? If so, let me know.

I don't think the CSB in its current status is of interest for people like 
me, who don't have their own personal agenda. Or people like you, who keep 
on asking question, without getting answers:) (btw, this is not an insult 
for the CSB members. It's just a feeling that CSB has moved from being a 
facilitator between the governmental bureau and the CS to a powerful tool. 
And I am not afraid of the powerful tools, if there are mechanisms to 
control them. I don't see such one in the current model, but if I am wrong, 
I'd be happy to hear it.

>Other than PrepCom 1 (first phase), I have attended the WSIS meetings at 
>my own personal expense. Compared to the other actors involved - I can 
>honestly say that my agenda is one of transparency and just getting things 
>done.

As I said above, I would not go into details about anyone, you included.

>For CS to be effective, it has to be strategic. Claudia Padovani has put 
>forward some ideas as to how to proceed , i ask others to do the same.

Again, Claudia is a great contributor, and a great person, but... her 
message must have been lost again in the mass mail.

best,
veni 


From fheinz at vialibre.org.ar  Sat Jan 22 16:12:39 2005
From: fheinz at vialibre.org.ar (Federico Heinz)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Need to know the facts / Les Faits  Re: 
	[WSIS CS-Plenary]  PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <p0620070dbe180854392e@[192.168.1.251]>
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On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 10:23 -0500, Robert Guerra wrote:
> Given what happened at the last precom you'd think this space would 
> have shifted to french and arabic and be discussing Tunisian issues. 
> Instead, since june of last year the vast majority of discussion has 
> been around  free software and the politics around that. it has 
> consumed far too much of the discussion and there hasn't been any way 
> to start other threads, other discussions on items that are also 
> important in the UN context.

"There hasn't been a way to start other threads". That's a rather
intriguing concept. Would you please describe which obstacles have
prevented you or others from starting other threads? As far as I know,
all it takes is an e-mail message, and just a few lines further above in
your message you said that "anyone with a particular agenda, crazy idea,
or just spam - can just put it forward", so it can't be that hard.

I haven't seen anybody say "let's not discuss tunisian issues". By all
means, please do, I'd love to learn more about them. As a matter of
fact, I have seen only one instance of some people asking for something
not to be discussed, and that is the thread on the WGIG selection
process.

Maybe what you meant was that people just didn't find interest in the
same threads that you did... well, that happens. In mailing lists,
people participate in threads they think are important. If the threads
you are missing don't find participants, it's very likely because you
have failed in communicating to people why they are interesting or
important enough to deserve their time.

	Fede
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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Sat Jan 22 16:55:18 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Need to know the facts / Les Faits  Re:
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Robert Guerra ha scritto:
> An example, the blog entry which I posted both here and on the (publicly 
> accessible) bureau list has gone without any reply or comment. it would 
> have been great to have heard your comments when I posted the note.

I have a feeling that most of us - even those who are on opposite sides 
when it comes to online discussions - actually share some basic concerns; 
however, we end up posting different messages on different parts of the 
picture in different lists, and never getting to any advance, because of 
the lack of a global strategy.

I think that we should concentrate all discussions on internal civil 
society reforms in a single place. It could possibly be the Working 
Methods WG, but it could also be the plenary, since there is the need for 
these reforms to be widely shared by all participants. Perhaps the best 
thing to do would be that all people who have shown interest in the matter 
joined the Working Methods WG. Still, the plenary will need to have the 
final word.
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From cnd at knowprose.com  Sat Jan 22 19:53:53 2005
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Need to know the facts / Les Faits  Re:
  [WSIS CS-Plenary]  PCT and WGIG
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Vittorio Bertola wrote:

> Robert Guerra ha scritto:
>
>> An example, the blog entry which I posted both here and on the
>> (publicly accessible) bureau list has gone without any reply or
>> comment. it would have been great to have heard your comments when I
>> posted the note.
>
>
> I have a feeling that most of us - even those who are on opposite
> sides when it comes to online discussions - actually share some basic
> concerns; however, we end up posting different messages on different
> parts of the picture in different lists, and never getting to any
> advance, because of the lack of a global strategy.

This is actually where using a content management system would be
useful. It's possible to have multiple discussions in multiple threads
on the web in a very transparent way. There's even the increasing
capacity for translation in some. Yet I sit here and read emails across
the lists I do subscribe to. Rather strange, especially given the context.

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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Sat Jan 22 19:41:14 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Need to know the facts / Les Faits  Re:
   [WSIS CS-Plenary]  PCT and WGIG
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At 2:53 PM -0500 1/22/05, Taran Rampersad wrote:

>This is actually where using a content management system would be
>useful. It's possible to have multiple discussions in multiple threads
>on the web in a very transparent way. There's even the increasing
>capacity for translation in some. Yet I sit here and read emails across
>the lists I do subscribe to. Rather strange, especially given the context.
>

I've proposed using a tools like a CMS for well over a year now.   I 
waited, and waited for comments - any sort of expression of interest 
and few if any came.

Any initiative of this sort needs to be done by a collection of 
individuals - call it a team, working group or whatever so as to give 
the impression that it's been done as a service for CS as a whole and 
not as one person's desire to control content.

If now there's more people interested - I am still keen, and would be 
willing to contribute in a focused matter to get things ready for the 
coming Prepcom in a few weeks time. My only condition would be that 
others too make a commitment to get things done and not engage in 
dogma.

regards

Robert




-- 
###
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Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From cnd at knowprose.com  Sat Jan 22 21:22:29 2005
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Need to know the facts / Les Faits  Re:
   [WSIS CS-Plenary]  PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <p0620070fbe185a6b76ab@[192.168.1.251]>
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Robert Guerra wrote:

>
> At 2:53 PM -0500 1/22/05, Taran Rampersad wrote:
>
>> This is actually where using a content management system would be
>> useful. It's possible to have multiple discussions in multiple threads
>> on the web in a very transparent way. There's even the increasing
>> capacity for translation in some. Yet I sit here and read emails across
>> the lists I do subscribe to. Rather strange, especially given the
>> context.
>>
>
> I've proposed using a tools like a CMS for well over a year now. I
> waited, and waited for comments - any sort of expression of interest
> and few if any came.
>
> Any initiative of this sort needs to be done by a collection of
> individuals - call it a team, working group or whatever so as to give
> the impression that it's been done as a service for CS as a whole and
> not as one person's desire to control content.
>
> If now there's more people interested - I am still keen, and would be
> willing to contribute in a focused matter to get things ready for the
> coming Prepcom in a few weeks time. My only condition would be that
> others too make a commitment to get things done and not engage in dogma.

I share your concern on this. I and a few others have made the same
comments regarding such models at varying levels of ICT participation
withing the Latin American and Caribbean regions. I'd like to see this
done by a team, and if necessary I will be a part of such a team - but I
would require more communication with the public by the CS Plenary and
associated caucuses. Note, I did not say broadcast - instead,
'communication'. Discussion.

-- 
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From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Sat Jan 22 21:48:13 2005
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Moving on
Message-ID: <E1CsT7E-0002Eo-00@clever.eusc.inter.net>

Dear all,

 

I think we all have enough of the ping pong between a few and will reinvest
some positive thinking for the PC2. I thank Joseph and Vreni for making the
point.

 

While it is important to air out differences and frustrations on certain
issues, this should be done in small groups concerned, ideally moderated, to
find common ground. 

 

It is vital that in the overall discussion on CS ?UN relations we do not
loose what we have gained in the WSIS, including in the WGIG (It is one of
best practices in the UN)

I am currently in New York for discussions on modalities for CS
participation in the Mill.+5 Summit, in which the WSIS concept is not at all
yet accepted.  (Some Governments would just be too happy to hear this kind
of bickering to completely dismiss us)

 

We will organize a Briefing on Millennium + 5 on Wednesday, 16 February,
13:00-15:00 and I hope and look forward to seeing many of you face to face.

Cheers,

Renata 

 

 

 

 

Renate Bloem
President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
11, Avenue de la Paix
CH-1202 Geneva
Tel: +41 22 301 1000
Fax: +41 22 301 2000
E-mil: rbloem@ngocongo.org
Website: www.ngocongo.org

 

 

 

The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, membership association
that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United Nations debates and
decisions. Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective is to ensure the
presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's governments and United
Nations agencies on issues of global concern.  For more information see our
website at www.ngocongo.org

 


Reminder: CONGO Postal Address Has Changed


We will soon be unable to receive mail at our old address at the Palais des
Nations in Geneva.  So please make sure to update your records with CONGO's
new Geneva office postal address: CP 50, 1211 Gen?ve 20, Switzerland.  Our
physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 1st Floor, 1202 Gen?ve,
Switzerland.

 

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From: fheinz at vialibre.org.ar (Federico Heinz)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
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On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 14:41 -0500, Robert Guerra wrote:
> [...]My only condition would be that others too make a commitment to
> get things done and not engage in dogma.

Robert, you are full of surprises today!

First you complain about invisible forces that prevent you from starting
new threads in this list.

Now you seem to fear that people will bring up religious arguments for
anything. I'm starting to doubt whether we are even reading the same
lists, but I for sure haven't seen anybody try to justify any claim
based on any kind of deity around here. Passionate discourse, yes, deep
argumentation, yes, but I see no dogma around.

There again, I seem to recall that in other exchanges you have used the
word "dogma" as some sort of bastard synonym for "any subject I don't
feel comfortable discussing", so maybe that's what you meant?

I must warn you that many people think that a person making a parallel
between people he disagrees with and religious fundamentalists is
actually disqualifying himself, for it looks that he can't find a way to
disprove the arguments, and must thus resort to attacking the persons
who use them.

Please, don't fight the people. If you must, please fight the arguments.
Thank you.

	Fede

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From mclauglm at muohio.edu  Sat Jan 22 22:35:21 2005
From: mclauglm at muohio.edu (mclauglm@muohio.edu)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS folks at World Social Forum?
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Hello Rik and all,

I've just arrived in Porto Alegre, a few hours ago. I'll be attending the
Feminist Dialogues on the 23rd and 24th and making a presentation on the
Isis-International Manila sponsored panel on the 29th, Movement Dialogue
on ICT4D. I should be at the CRIS meeting on the 26th but I'm unaware of
any specific WSIS-related meetings here. It would be good to know this.

I hope to see you and others here.

Thanks,

Lisa
Union for Democratic Communications

Dear Friends,
>
> I will be at the World Social Forum in Porto Alegre next week on behalf of
> CONGO, mostly participating in meetings relating to UN reform and the
> Millennium Development Goals.  But if there are WSIS related meetings
> planned, I will be happy to attend also.  I know that APC and the CRIS
> campaign plan to have a presence there already.
>
> I probably will not be reachable by phone, but will try and access my
> email from time to time.
>
> Rik Panganiban
>
> ===============================================
> RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
>
> Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations
> (CONGO)
> web: http://www.ngocongo.org
> email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
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From beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar  Sat Jan 22 22:35:08 2005
From: beatriz at maxmedia.com.ar (Beatriz Busaniche)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Moving on
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El s?b, 22-01-2005 a las 22:48 +0100, Renata Bloem escribi?:
>  
> 
> It is vital that in the overall discussion on CS ?UN relations we do
> not loose what we have gained in the WSIS, including in the WGIG (It
> is one of best practices in the UN)
> 

Dear Renate,

I must say that I am a bit taken aback by the concept that the WSIS
model can be taken as a "best practice" without first doing a thorough
critical balance.
Civil Society participation is not an end in itself, except maybe for
organizations that have found in it a source of funding and will thus
benefit from it no matter what the outcome.
Beyond the skewed framework within which the UN has positioned CS
(putting the media giants among us, for instance), I feel we cannot look
away from the consequences of what we have managed to build: a power
structure in which a few organizations can make their voices heard,
while those who cannot afford the people and expenses to actually "be"
there have no chance of having their opinions taken into account.
In this state, I don't think I can recommend the WSIS model for further
UN activities.



From veni at veni.com  Sat Jan 22 22:54:16 2005
From: veni at veni.com (veni markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Moving on
In-Reply-To: <1106433308.4301.26.camel@localhost>
References: <E1CsT7E-0002Eo-00@clever.eusc.inter.net>
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At 19:35 22-01-2005 -0300, Beatriz wrote:
>I must say that I am a bit taken aback by the concept that the WSIS
>model can be taken as a "best practice" without first doing a thorough
>critical balance.

well, let's see it, then...

>Civil Society participation is not an end in itself, except maybe for
>organizations that have found in it a source of funding and will thus
>benefit from it no matter what the outcome.

Hmm... this also sounds strange. Could you tell us what are the 
organizations that have found in the WSIS a source for funding? I kind of 
don't agree with you; on the contrary - the WSIS does not have enough funds 
to support even developing countries participation, but only LDC.

>Beyond the skewed framework within which the UN has positioned CS
>(putting the media giants among us, for instance),

Hmm... actually the UN did not put them among us. We all did that.

>away from the consequences of what we have managed to build: a power
>structure in which a few organizations can make their voices heard,
>while those who cannot afford the people and expenses to actually "be"
>there have no chance of having their opinions taken into account.
>In this state, I don't think I can recommend the WSIS model for further
>UN activities.

Well, luckily it will not be only your recommendation. Forgive me for being 
so streight forwarded, but this all is nonsense. We need to find a way to 
fix the WSIS model, not get rid of it. Or what do you suggest instead of 
it? Replace it with the old model, where only governments participated?

v. 


From cnd at knowprose.com  Sun Jan 23 00:59:37 2005
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Moving on
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050123005106.03b600d0@198.111.183.129>
References: <E1CsT7E-0002Eo-00@clever.eusc.inter.net> <1106433308.4301.26.camel@localhost> <6.2.0.14.2.20050123005106.03b600d0@198.111.183.129>
Message-ID: <41F2F6F9.8030002@knowprose.com>

Snipped a lot of irrelevant stuff, but that one sentence below...

> We need to find a way to fix the WSIS model, not get rid of it. Or
> what do you suggest instead of it? Replace it with the old model,
> where only governments participated?
>
> v.

hasn't anyone considered it might be cheaper to do this all through web
conferencing, or other forms of online participation? And before the
software issue comes up again (and again, and again), I'd like to ask
two questions:

(1) How much has been spent on travel, accomodations and food for
working groups and plenaries?
(2) How much of that money would (whoever has the money for (1)) spend
on a solution?

It's quite odd to have such plenaries for an 'Information Society' when
a lot of this could be done outside of the most expensive city in the
world (so I have been told). Is the Geneva city council involved here?
We obviously all have the appropriate equipment if we are reading and
writing emails.

By doing that, suddenly there could be more participation from caucuses
(cauci?), or less basis for excuse of costs for exclusion. Working
smarter is probably the goal of many people here. Technically speaking,
it wouldn't be too hard to do. Getting people to use it - well, systems
might take some getting used to. But if you can turn on your computer
and operate it, you can probably use most software that is available for
your PC.

veni markovski wrote:

> At 19:35 22-01-2005 -0300, Beatriz wrote:
>

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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Sun Jan 23 03:16:27 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Approx costs of CS Participation...
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At 7:59 PM -0500 1/22/05, Taran Rampersad wrote:
>Snipped a lot of irrelevant stuff, but that one sentence below...
>
>>  We need to find a way to fix the WSIS model, not get rid of it. Or
>>  what do you suggest instead of it? Replace it with the old model,
>>  where only governments participated?
>>
>>  v.
>
>hasn't anyone considered it might be cheaper to do this all through web
>conferencing, or other forms of online participation?


yup. several of us have.


Believe it or not, it was at the last latin american regional meeting 
in bavaro (jan 03) that a conenction was made allowing for a set of 
video conferences to be planned for the prepcoms.

Of the three that were planned and staged, 2 were archived and are 
available for your viewing pleasure:



Global Videoconference on The UN World Summit on the Information 
Society (WSIS): Promoting National Action for Dynamic and Inclusive 
Information Society. Geneva, Switzerland, September 16-17, 2003. The 
following countries participated: Bolivia, Bulgaria, Brazil, 
Colombia, the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, India, Namibia, Sri Lanka, 
Switzerland, Tanzania, Saudi Arabia, United States, and Venezuela
http://www.worldbank.org/wbi/B-SPAN/sub_wsis_video.htm


"Geneva & Beyond: Operationalizing Recommendations of the World 
Summit on the Information Society" (WSIS) to Help Achieve Millennium 
Development Goals Video Conference. The event featured country 
perspectives and comments from participants in India, Lebanon, 
Mexico, Romania, Russia, Rwanda, Sri Lanka, and the US. December 2003
http://info.worldbank.org/etools/bspan/PresentationView.asp?PID=991&EID=518




>And before the
>software issue comes up again (and again, and again), I'd like to ask
>two questions:
>
>(1) How much has been spent on travel, accomodations and food for
>working groups and plenaries?

I don't think anyone has made an estimate or calculation of the exact 
numbers.  Several academics and development agencies have said the # 
is high , the no exact number.

Here's my very quick, likely low estimate of the numbers involved.

1. What's the cost per person ?

a. Flight
- since people come to attend the meetings from all over the world 
one can either break down the costs by region or use an best guess 
average value.
- To make things easy, let's assume an average flight cost/person of 1000 USD
-

b. Accomodation
- there are many options.
- To make things easy, again let's make an assume the participant in 
question stays at a hotel that has a NGO price. The "hotel mon repos" 
http://www.hmrge.ch/ is used by many, so let's use the prices they 
have for our calculations. Let's say it's 190 CHF / night
-  # days at event. the prepcom is 2 weeks, let's assume the person 
stays 15 days

thus the accommodation cost is 190 CHF x 15 = 2850 CHF

- using the currency converter at www.xe.com, that # in swiss francs 
comes to 2405 USD


c. Per Diem
- These are costs related to expenses, incidentals and meals
- Geneva is an expensive city.
- Where can we find an approx #, well several of the development 
agencies publish per diem rates. Let's use the site published by the 
US State department as it's a source many people use and are familiar 
with.
http://www.state.gov/m/a/als/prdm/
- Let's assume one will be frugal and estimate 40% of the # quoted 
for geneva (169 USD) = 84 /day
   (and yes, normal meals can cost you 30-40 dollars!)

Thus, the per diem cost is 15 x (169/2) = 1267.5 USD


d. Adding the #'s

1000 (flight) + 2405 (accomodation) + 1267 (per diem) = 4672 USD per 
person for a 2 week stay

An important # is the average per day cost. let's divide  4672 (total 
cost) by 15 (# of days) . this works out to 311 $/day (we'll use this 
# later)

2. What's the cost for CS for the prepcom

- that's a bit harder to calculate as one needs an approx # of participants.
- let's take the # of CS participants from a past prepcom. let's use 
PrepCom 2 of the first phase as an example as the details of the 
participants is available online @ 
http://www.itu.int/wsis/participation/prepcom2/
- if you click on "Types of Entity", you'll see a whole bunch of #'s. 
if you scroll down you'll find "Non Governmental Organizations and 
Civil Society Organizations" . it says 394 people actually 
individuals from NGOs "showed up"

- approx cost per prepcom = 394 x 4672 = 1,840,768 USD!


3. Cost for the CS Participation for the entire WSIS process.

- # of meetings for first phase = 4 (3 prepcoms & summit)
- # of meetings for second phase = 4 (3 prepcoms & summit)

Total # of meetings = 8

Summit calculations:
- let's assume that CS participation at the summits is indeed higher 
than for the prepcoms. Let's assume there's an increase. Let's be 
conservative and say 500 people show up for each summit and not 394 
as stated for the prepcoms.
- Summits tend to be shorter so let's , for simplicity sake just 
calculate for 2 days.


Total Prepcom cost: 6  (# of prepcoms) x 394 (# of participants) x 
4672 (cost ) = 11, 044,608
Total  Summit cost: 2 (# summits) x 500 (# of participants) x 2 (# of 
days) x 311 (cost/day) = 622,000


Approx cost = 11044608 + 622000 = 11,666,608 USD (approx 9 million Euros)

Disclaimer:

a. These calculations are based on very quick, as yet unproven 
assumptions. My feeling is that the true number is actually 
significantly higher than what i've come up with.
b. I haven't seem what #'s for other UN summits , so these quick #'s 
may be in fact quite lower, higher or about the same vs. other 
summits. if anyone has a reference to costs - please, do send them to 
me.

Things i didn't include in the calculation:

1.  cost attributed to people's time. it can range anywhere from 100 
to 500 USD a day (or more).
2.  Telephone/laundy - already included in the incidental/per diem cost
3. Cost of visas to travel to geneva
4. Health/travel insurance - you don't want to get sick in geneva
5. Other related meetings - there are regional meetings to attend as 
well as task force meetings. There's a cost to that too, but haven't 
included it to just keep things simple.


>(2) How much of that money would (whoever has the money for (1)) spend
>on a solution?



As I and others have mentioned there are significant cost savings to 
be had if one can participate in an effective manner in a virtual 
fashion. You'd think that having a summit that has ICTs as it focus 
would try to more effectively use ICTS to enable people to 
participate and engage in the actual WSIS preparation process.  Sigh.

My only recommendation is not wait for the WSIS structures to address 
the need. If you can work with others, and with existing networks - 
do so...it's the only way things will get done.


>It's quite odd to have such plenaries for an 'Information Society' when
>a lot of this could be done outside of the most expensive city in the
>world (so I have been told). Is the Geneva city council involved here?
>We obviously all have the appropriate equipment if we are reading and
>writing emails.

If an investment was made to improve the level and effectiveness of 
communications coming from meetings, then there could be a much 
improved virtual participation and engagement. Civil Society is good 
at communications (so we are told) - so it's something we have to do.


>By doing that, suddenly there could be more participation from caucuses
>(cauci?), or less basis for excuse of costs for exclusion. Working
>smarter is probably the goal of many people here. Technically speaking,
>it wouldn't be too hard to do.

It does need coordination and expert knowledge - hmm. sounds like you 
are proposing the creation of Civil Society IT working group, whose 
sole aim would be to insure that the resources and technical 
requirement for effective online collaboration is possible...

Giving tech minded people something to do would great .

Leads me to recommendations :

* See if there are enough people interested in creating a CS IT  working group
* if the ITWG is created, have it issue a very public call for help - 
this could lead to some very interesting results.
* If indeed there are Free Software solutions - they should be used. 
If they don't exist, we'd be able to see if in fact they could be 
built. it would be a good challenge !
* Let's spend less time tying long replies and get to the task, get 
things done, and make things better in the future...


In summary,  now you have some idea what attending a WSIS meeting 
costs and some suggestions as to what we could do. Both of seem to 
agree that action is needed - so, as i mentioned above - let's get to 
it...

regards

Robert
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Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From cnd at knowprose.com  Sun Jan 23 05:01:20 2005
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Approx costs of CS Participation...
In-Reply-To: <p06200710be18b5e3e6cc@[192.168.1.251]>
References: <E1CsT7E-0002Eo-00@clever.eusc.inter.net> <1106433308.4301.26.camel@localhost> <6.2.0.14.2.20050123005106.03b600d0@198.111.183.129> <41F2F6F9.8030002@knowprose.com> <p06200710be18b5e3e6cc@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <41F32FA0.8070400@knowprose.com>

Robert Guerra wrote:

>
> At 7:59 PM -0500 1/22/05, Taran Rampersad wrote:
>
>> Snipped a lot of irrelevant stuff, but that one sentence below...
>>
>>> We need to find a way to fix the WSIS model, not get rid of it. Or
>>> what do you suggest instead of it? Replace it with the old model,
>>> where only governments participated?
>>>
>>> v.
>>
>>
>> hasn't anyone considered it might be cheaper to do this all through web
>> conferencing, or other forms of online participation?
>
>
>
> yup. several of us have.

I figured as much. Too many smart people around with technical skill for
this not to be mentioned. Thanks for the background (snipped).

> Approx cost = 11044608 + 622000 = 11,666,608 USD (approx 9 million Euros)

Wow. I imagine that sum could be put to use somewhere where it is more
needed. Disclaimer snipped, but noted.

>
>
>> (2) How much of that money would (whoever has the money for (1)) spend
>> on a solution?
>
> As I and others have mentioned there are significant cost savings to
> be had if one can participate in an effective manner in a virtual
> fashion. You'd think that having a summit that has ICTs as it focus
> would try to more effectively use ICTS to enable people to participate
> and engage in the actual WSIS preparation process. Sigh.
>
> My only recommendation is not wait for the WSIS structures to address
> the need. If you can work with others, and with existing networks - do
> so...it's the only way things will get done.

It would appear so.

>> It's quite odd to have such plenaries for an 'Information Society' when
>> a lot of this could be done outside of the most expensive city in the
>> world (so I have been told). Is the Geneva city council involved here?
>> We obviously all have the appropriate equipment if we are reading and
>> writing emails.
>
>
> If an investment was made to improve the level and effectiveness of
> communications coming from meetings, then there could be a much
> improved virtual participation and engagement. Civil Society is good
> at communications (so we are told) - so it's something we have to do.

It seems like a top priority, actually.

>> By doing that, suddenly there could be more participation from caucuses
>> (cauci?), or less basis for excuse of costs for exclusion. Working
>> smarter is probably the goal of many people here. Technically speaking,
>> it wouldn't be too hard to do.
>
>
> It does need coordination and expert knowledge - hmm. sounds like you
> are proposing the creation of Civil Society IT working group, whose
> sole aim would be to insure that the resources and technical
> requirement for effective online collaboration is possible...

Well, if I did it wasn't consciously. But I would be willing to
participate in such a group.

>
> Giving tech minded people something to do would great .
>
> Leads me to recommendations :
>
> * See if there are enough people interested in creating a CS IT
> working group
> * if the ITWG is created, have it issue a very public call for help -
> this could lead to some very interesting results.
> * If indeed there are Free Software solutions - they should be used.
> If they don't exist, we'd be able to see if in fact they could be
> built. it would be a good challenge !

I'm certain that they can be built. But if they do have to be built - or
if even we use existing FLOS projects - I think throwing some funding
would be in order. That would definitely 'sweeten the pot', and would
cost a miniscule amount when compared to $11 million USD.

> * Let's spend less time tying long replies and get to the task, get
> things done, and make things better in the future...
>
Bingo.

>
> In summary, now you have some idea what attending a WSIS meeting costs
> and some suggestions as to what we could do. Both of seem to agree
> that action is needed - so, as i mentioned above - let's get to it...

OK. I'm in. You're the more experienced. What's the next step?

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From kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Sun Jan 23 06:47:08 2005
From: kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_Kleinw=E4chter?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:21 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS and WEF
Message-ID: 
 <ACADB74FBBEFD94795A03FDBBDE62D3716FB11@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>

Only FYI
 
http://www.weforum.org/site/homepublic.nsf/Content/_S13580
 
The World Economic Forum is discussing Civil Society Issues and has similar questions ...
 
best
 
w
 
 

From vkleck at vecam.org  Sun Jan 23 08:45:54 2005
From: vkleck at vecam.org (Veronique Kleck)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS folks at World Social Forum?
In-Reply-To: <002801c4ffdb$ba938fd0$0b01a8c0@computer03>
Message-ID: <BE1922D7.7010%vkleck@vecam.org>

Hello all !!

VECAM found at the last moment some funding (but only for one person !) and
will also have the chance to participate to the WSF !

To give an "overview" on activities, seminars and other meeting on our
issues (but more communication and media than internet and other IS topics),
myriam, sally, sean, joan and many other fix a commun agenda that you will
find in attachment... Many thanks to them !
I just add the same commun agenda with a french translation

I also add the wonderful programm on  Free Software
Other world is possible! Other software is possible!
www.softwarelivre.org/news/3543
Digital Revolution: Free Software, free knowledge and free speech on
Information Society

Specially on wsis :

Saturday 29th January, Room D102, 12h
Communication Rights and the World
Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) -
Campaign Assessment
Evaluation of civil society involvement in the World Summit
on the Information Society and discussion on strategy for
the WSIS Summit to be held in Tunisia in November 2005.

And also the 
Thursday 27th January, Room D601,
8h30 AM ? 18h30
Communication Rights in the Information
Society (CRIS)
At 2.45pm : Round table on "democratization of Internet governance" with
Carlos (Alfonso) and myself !

Hope to meet many of you there !

Veronique



On 1/21/05 6:07 PM, "Raoul Weiler" <raoul.weiler@skynet.be> wrote:

> To Rik Panganiban,
> 
> I will be in Porte Alegre too and do the presentation
> of our initiative with UNESCO on digital divide.
> 
> The conference at Porte Alegre is on January 27 in Room A 105
> time afternoon (Turn 3! I have not yet more precise time).
> 
> I attach the flyer of our World Conference.
> 
> Cordially,
> 
> Raoul Weiler
> Club of Rome
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rik Panganiban" <rikp@earthlink.net>
> To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:02 PM
> Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS folks at World Social Forum?
> 
> 
>> Dear Friends,
>> 
>> I will be at the World Social Forum in Porto Alegre next week on behalf of
>> CONGO, mostly participating in meetings relating to UN reform and the
>> Millennium Development Goals.  But if there are WSIS related meetings
>> planned, I will be happy to attend also.  I know that APC and the CRIS
>> campaign plan to have a presence there already.
>> 
>> I probably will not be reachable by phone, but will try and access my
>> email from time to time.
>> 
>> Rik Panganiban
>> 
>> ===============================================
>> RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
>> 
>> Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations
>> (CONGO)
>> web: http://www.ngocongo.org
>> email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
>> mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
>> _______________________________________________
>> Plenary mailing list
>> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>> 
> 

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From nne75 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 23 11:49:33 2005
From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Moving on in respect and dignity
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050123005106.03b600d0@198.111.183.129>
Message-ID: <20050123114933.55385.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear all
 
I must say that the netiquette here is sharply going down.  Let us not forget that words like " agree, disagree, and strongly disagree" are more respectful of the human dignity than others like "novice, nonsense, skewed"
 
Having said that, it is also important to make it clear whether you are speaking on a personal basis, on a tangible and factual basis, on hear-say, or on behalf of a group of people.  Nobody should express personal frustrations with "we"
 
Making people feel bad, guilty, or criminal does not in any way encourage the spirit of sacrifice with which the CS members are working.  Those sentiments kill volunteerism.
 
Il n' a pas de quoi traduire ce message en Français.  Il ne vaut pas peine.
 
Seulement pour dire que le respect et la dignité au lieu des attaques, des frustrations et des incriminations nous aidera mieux à avancer.
 
Bien de choses
 
Nnenna

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From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Entry permit to Accra for Africa Regional PrepCom
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From e.ariwa at londonmet.ac.uk  Sun Jan 23 14:55:29 2005
From: e.ariwa at londonmet.ac.uk (Ezendu Ariwa)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Moving on in respect and dignity
In-Reply-To: <20050123114933.55385.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050123005106.03b600d0@198.111.183.129>
    <20050123114933.55385.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1891.217.35.123.134.1106492129.squirrel@217.35.123.134>

Dear Sir/madam

May I ask if there is any fellowship available for attending the Accra event

Kindly let me know and where to apply


Ezendu




> Dear all
>
> I must say that the netiquette here is sharply going down.  Let us not
> forget that words like " agree, disagree, and strongly disagree" are more
> respectful of the human dignity than others like "novice, nonsense,
> skewed"
>
> Having said that, it is also important to make it clear whether you are
> speaking on a personal basis, on a tangible and factual basis, on
> hear-say, or on behalf of a group of people.  Nobody should express
> personal frustrations with "we"
>
> Making people feel bad, guilty, or criminal does not in any way encourage
> the spirit of sacrifice with which the CS members are working.  Those
> sentiments kill volunteerism.
>
> Il n' a pas de quoi traduire ce message en Fran?ais.  Il ne vaut pas
> peine.
>
> Seulement pour dire que le respect et la dignit? au lieu des attaques, des
> frustrations et des incriminations nous aidera mieux ? avancer.
>
> Bien de choses
>
> Nnenna
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com



From sean at nexus.ie  Sun Jan 23 16:31:19 2005
From: sean at nexus.ie (Sean O Siochru)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS folks at World Social Forum?
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050123163108.06b46a20@gpo.iol.ie>

Hi Lisa

I have just arrived here too, and there are a few things on WSIS.

I am moderating a panel on session on Tuesday (pre-WSF) on From Geneva to 
Tunis with Mavic Balleza, Sally, Antonio Martins.
This is part of the First Information and Communication World 
Forum.  www.ipsnews.net/new_adv/cworldforum_prog.asp


AMARC has a session, though unfortunately I will have left by then.  It 
should be good:
Saturday 29th January, Room D102, 12h
Communication Rights and the World
Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) -
Campaign Assessment
Evaluation of civil society involvement in the World Summit
on the Information Society and discussion on strategy for
the WSIS Summit to be held in Tunisia in November 2005.
Organised by AMARC
Participants: Elizabeth Robinson (Moderator), Steve Buckley (AMARC), Sihem 
Bensedrine (OLPEC, Tunisie), Mokhtar Trifi (Ligue tunisienne des droits de 
l'homme), Gustavo Gomez (AMARC-ALC) and others

You or Rik could contact me at  hotel tel: 30261600 if you are around.  Or 
maybe pop into CRIS session on Thursday at  Usina do Gas?metro, Room 601 
(one of the 600 seater rooms)

Bye
Sean

At 17:35 22/01/2005 -0500, you wrote:

>Hello Rik and all,
>
>I've just arrived in Porto Alegre, a few hours ago. I'll be attending the
>Feminist Dialogues on the 23rd and 24th and making a presentation on the
>Isis-International Manila sponsored panel on the 29th, Movement Dialogue
>on ICT4D. I should be at the CRIS meeting on the 26th but I'm unaware of
>any specific WSIS-related meetings here. It would be good to know this.
>
>I hope to see you and others here.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Lisa
>Union for Democratic Communications
>
>Dear Friends,
> >
> > I will be at the World Social Forum in Porto Alegre next week on behalf of
> > CONGO, mostly participating in meetings relating to UN reform and the
> > Millennium Development Goals.  But if there are WSIS related meetings
> > planned, I will be happy to attend also.  I know that APC and the CRIS
> > campaign plan to have a presence there already.
> >
> > I probably will not be reachable by phone, but will try and access my
> > email from time to time.
> >
> > Rik Panganiban
> >
> > ===============================================
> > RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
> >
> > Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations
> > (CONGO)
> > web: http://www.ngocongo.org
> > email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> > mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
> > _______________________________________________
> > Plenary mailing list
> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> >
>
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From james.archibald at mcgill.ca  Sun Jan 23 19:29:35 2005
From: james.archibald at mcgill.ca (Jak Archibald)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS folks at World Social Forum?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050123163108.06b46a20@gpo.iol.ie>
Message-ID: <000901c50181$df86f5a0$17ecce84@mcgill.ca>

Sean & Rik,
The following meeting may be of interest to CS groups:
http://www.datamatix-dubai.com/index2.asp?page=agenda/agenda_dubtech5.ht
m
Regards,
Jim Archibald

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On
Behalf Of Sean O Siochru
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 11:31 AM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS folks at World Social Forum?


Hi Lisa

I have just arrived here too, and there are a few things on WSIS.  

I am moderating a panel on session on Tuesday (pre-WSF) on From Geneva
to Tunis with Mavic Balleza, Sally, Antonio Martins.  
This is part of the First Information and Communication World Forum.
www.ipsnews.net/new_adv/cworldforum_prog.asp 


AMARC has a session, though unfortunately I will have left by then.  It
should be good:
Saturday 29th January, Room D102, 12h
Communication Rights and the World
Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) -
Campaign Assessment
Evaluation of civil society involvement in the World Summit
on the Information Society and discussion on strategy for
the WSIS Summit to be held in Tunisia in November 2005.
Organised by AMARC
Participants: Elizabeth Robinson (Moderator), Steve Buckley (AMARC),
Sihem Bensedrine (OLPEC, Tunisie), Mokhtar Trifi (Ligue tunisienne des
droits de l'homme), Gustavo Gomez (AMARC-ALC) and others 

You or Rik could contact me at  hotel tel: 30261600 if you are around.
Or maybe pop into CRIS session on Thursday at  Usina do Gas?metro, Room
601 (one of the 600 seater rooms)

Bye
Sean 

At 17:35 22/01/2005 -0500, you wrote:



Hello Rik and all,

I've just arrived in Porto Alegre, a few hours ago. I'll be attending
the
Feminist Dialogues on the 23rd and 24th and making a presentation on the
Isis-International Manila sponsored panel on the 29th, Movement Dialogue
on ICT4D. I should be at the CRIS meeting on the 26th but I'm unaware of
any specific WSIS-related meetings here. It would be good to know this.

I hope to see you and others here.

Thanks,

Lisa
Union for Democratic Communications

Dear Friends,
>
> I will be at the World Social Forum in Porto Alegre next week on
behalf of
> CONGO, mostly participating in meetings relating to UN reform and the
> Millennium Development Goals.  But if there are WSIS related meetings
> planned, I will be happy to attend also.  I know that APC and the CRIS
> campaign plan to have a presence there already.
>
> I probably will not be reachable by phone, but will try and access my
> email from time to time.
>
> Rik Panganiban
>
> ===============================================
> RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
>
> Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United
Nations
> (CONGO)
> web: http://www.ngocongo.org <http://www.ngocongo.org/> 
> email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>

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From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: Need to know the facts / Les Faits  Re:  [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT
 and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <18EA5B42-6BC8-11D9-8C82-000393CC2112@acm.org>
References: <s1e9acf9.027@gwia201.syr.edu> <m3zmz92vkn.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org> <41EC146D.6020407@wz-berlin.de> <41F04A95.9020507@mdpi.org> <18EA5B42-6BC8-11D9-8C82-000393CC2112@acm.org>
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Dear Avri

Thanks for this very interesting reply that allows a constructive analysis.

> Hi,
>
> As one of those selected for the WGIG, 

You should be commended to speak on the issue.

> I would like to contribute a few remarks to this discussion.  I do 
> this with a certain amount of trepidation,  but I do feel that those 
> who disagree with the most vocal position at this point should not sit 
> silently by as good people are condemned.

It is the people that has been selected as WGIG that should be 
condemned, but the internal CS WGIG nomination procedure.
The distinction is absolutely crucial

>
> - I do not consider myself as speaking in any way for Civil Society.  
> I am, however, beholden to Civil Society and consider it incumbent on 
> me to take Civil Society, in its myriad manifestations, into account 
> in expressing the views I do express during the WGIG process.

Very inclusive point of view that everyone is delighted to hear,  I am 
pretty sure.

>
> - To go further, within the WGIG, no one represents anyone, including 
> those who are diplomats and members of a national delegation.  One of 
> the reasons put forward for some degree of closed meeting and for the 
> non-attribution rules (so called Chatham House rules) is to allow all 
> WGIG members, to speak freely as specialists without fear of 
> repercussion from their governments or employers.

This is quite interesting  that you consider all WGIG members as 
specialists.
I share indeed your point of view : all  WGIG members should be specialists.

> - The decision on membership _was made_ by Kofi Annan, as recommended 
> by Marcus Kummer.  There has been an implication in this discussion 
> thread that they accepted the list proposed as a result of CS decision 
> procedure without further consideration.  Yet, if one inspects the 2 
> lists suggested by CS, of suggested members and of connectors, one can 
> see that 2 of the WGIG members were selected from the connectors list.

This is correct but the connectors list was not presented as a list of 
persons
Let me repeat what was sent to Kummer :

"This process was not easy and resulted in two complementary sets of names.
First, a * limited slate of candidates for the WGIG itself* : "


"Second, based on the submissions from other Civil Society thematic 
caucuses,*
a list of "connectors"* has been established to facilitate interaction 
with various thematic
constituencies *as the process expands* to a broader range ofissues :"

Therefore the list of so-called connectors was not sent as candidates 
for the WGIG itself.
The fact that two people in the connectors lists were selected for the 
WGIG is certainly
not to be credited to the IG group but the great benevolance of  Kummer 
and the UN.

> It is clear to me

The reverse is clear,   the connector list was not sent to Kummer as  
candidates for the WGIG itself

> that KA/MK took the combined list into account when creating the WG 
> and felt free to pick as many people from the connector list as they 
> wished. As the connector list included people recommended from the 
> thematic groups, my assumption is that all areas had full 
> consideration in the process KA/MK used to create the WG.

/The numbers are speaking for themselves
Selection rate/ : main list : 89 %, connectors' list : 25 %

> - The composition of the WGIG was done very carefully by KA/MK to try 
> to achieve multistakeholder balance

This is true, Kummer did a great job in trying to get a 
multi-stakeholder balance considering the list that
has been sent to him and with whom he worked in good faith.
It would be incredible to take credit of the extremely valuable job 
done  by Kummer as a cover of  what
happenned in the IG group.
In fact, Kummer told me that he suggested to the IG co-coordinators that 
IG should consult  the other working
groups because of the complexity and variety of the issues at stake.
Therefore, the very nice and inclusive idea of consulting the other CS 
groups for candidates seems
to originate from Kummer.  I am saying "seems", because may be the IG 
co-coordinators had also the
same idea, and arguing about who got this inclusive idea first is not 
the topic of our discussion.
The current topic is how this inclusive idea of  consultation was 
implemented.

> while limiting the size of the group and I believe they made their 
> choices very much in harmony with Civil Society's procedural 
> recommendations. 

exactly

> I believe that for any pertinent specialty, one can go down the WGIG 
> list and find someone with knowledge of that specialty in the WGIG.  
> The person many not come from any particular stakeholder segment; i.e. 
> may originate from the diplomatic field instead of civil society, or 
> may be female instead of male but the skill set will be represented.  
> I think one will also find that most of the members have multiple 
> areas of knowledge.

I guess that some selected "connectors" have expressed a different 
opinion, but this is not the
point here in this message.

> - I do think the CS selection procedure was flawed in one sense,

At last, it is nice to hear this.

>   but I do _not_ think this flaw has anything to do with the people 
> who made the recommendations.  

this was a bad dream then...

> The flaw belong to CS in general in that we in CS were unable to 
> decide on a full selection mechanism before nominees were named.

The IG group made a call to the other CS groups with all kinds of rules 
that were nicely written.
The IG co-coordinators must be commended for this job.
The IG group decided to nominate a NomCom to select the candidates.  I 
have nothing against this
procedure.   The selection mechanism seemed fine to everybody.
It is only after at the last moment that such a nice, clear and 
inclusive procedure
derailed completely when the never heard before "connector" concept was 
proposed and two lists were sent to Kummer.
It is not the selection mechanism which is to blame, but the way it was 
implemented.

But your statement has some truth, definitively the whole CS must check 
that selection meachanisms that affect
the whole CS must be agreed upon beforehand, and above all how they are 
implemented.

>   From my experience this is always a recipe for repercussions.  No 
> matter how careful a group is, and I believe that this group was as 
> careful as possible given the press of deadlines,

This is the only excuse that I can imagine for this derailed procedure, 
that it was at wee hours.
I think it is what happenned.  It is not my goal to start a witch hunt, 
and to have some persons
be condemned.
I do not want to imagine that it is was a carefully crafted attempt to 
impose the
over-representation of a certain organization and/or a separatist 
regional group
 as some people have posted on this list and other lists.
What must be condemned is the fact that a procedure was not implemented 
as scheduled and clearly announced.
It is a moral condemnation of a procedure, not people.
Why I insist on this ?  It is not out of a vengeance or of settling 
personnal or political scores,
 it is because nomination  procedures (see my next msg ) are likely to 
happen  again, and
therefore  this problem should not happen again.

> when the selection procedure is decided on after nominees are named it 
> is open to hard feelings and condemnation.

No, the selection procedure was not decided after,  it was decided and 
announced before,
simply it was not implemented as scheduled.

>
> - What I think is most important is that now is not a time for 
> aspersions or condemnation of the people who took on the difficult and 
> dangerous 

indeed, it was dangerous for the Civil Society

> task of making selections in the absence of a pre-agreed procedure.

again, the procedures were clearly stated, the implementation went wrong.

> It is rather the time to decide on procedures for the future so that 
> this does not happen again.

This, I fully agree, and this why I spent some time on this, after I saw 
the heated discussion on the
plenary and the self-congratulary note of a NomCom member on the IG list.
The malaise was running deep and therefore it has to be  healed, 
otherwise we are going
to start the PrepCom2 under very bad auspices.

>   For several months before the deadline, CS was unable to decide on a 
> method of selection, though many suggestions were made.  With the 
> upcoming PrepCom we are again at risk of not having a method of 
> selection, in this case for our meetings, and risk repercussions.  I 
> am concerned that we are spending all of our energy arguing about the 
> past instead of working to make sure that we learn for the future.
>
I fully agree except that I would say that we are not arguing about the 
past but instead learning from it.
As it has been said :

Future belongs to those who have the longest memory. (Nietzsche)_

Kind regards

Francis

> a.



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From muguet at mdpi.org  Mon Jan 24 00:31:10 2005
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Stakeholders Team / Equipes  Nomination procedures
Message-ID: <41F441CE.3080408@mdpi.org>

English/ Fran?ais

Hello

All this debate and analysis concerning
the past WGIG nomination procedure was
helpful when considering that it is likely
such group nominations are likely to
occur again in PrepCom2 , and it is the reason why we
should now examin beforehand what could be
the rules and to be sure that announced rules
are honestly implemented.

I would like to bring to the intention of everybody that
was adopted at the last GFC ( 11 January version ) :

------------
10.    In order to assure the sustainability of the WSIS process after
the completion of its Tunis phase, we agree to establish an implementation
mechanism for the Geneva and Tunis Plans of Action, based upon
co-operation among governments and all stakeholders, with the
overarching goal of helping countries and societies to achieve the
development goals of the Millennium Declaration. To that end, for each
Action Line in the Geneva and Tunis Plans of Action (as identified in
the Annex), a *team of stakeholders* will work together to promote
implementation. We request the UN Secretary-General to nominate, from
among existing UN bodies or specialised agencies, those that will
[moderate/coordinate] the work of each team, based on respect for their
mandates and leveraging on their expertise, and within their existing
resources
-------------

This text is an improvement over the previous text ( 4 January version )
I would comment further on this topic in an activity report
of the GFC2 and GFC4 that I had not yet the time to complete.

I agree with Renate assesment concerning the
  "WGIG (It is one of best practices in the UN)"
This is certainly true from the point of view of the UN,
I guess it only was she meant.
The UN has made every efforts to include the Civil Society,
and if the internal CS WGIG nomination process had been
implemented as scheduled, this would have been a really
great achievement. Too bad it has been spoilt.

What happened concerning the NY-based TFFM has been really bad,
there was no discussion about a CS TFFM nomination process,
because there were none !
The fault lies entirely with UNDP.
It seems that in New York, as Renate is posting, the
mindset is different.
The current discussion about the internal WGIG nomination process
is not weakenning the CS, on the contrary it is reinforcing it,
as a proof of democracy and therefore credibility.

At the last GFCs, I complained to Karklins and other
governement delegates that the TFFM was not following
the good example of the WGIG.  As you can see, I am quoting
the WGIG as a good example from the point of view of the UN.

By the way it is rather ironic my proposed alternate/backup
scheme has been partially adopted by the TFFM, see
  http://www.wsis-finance.org/tffm-members.html
There have been Civil Society empty seats at the WGIG
unfortunately, as I predicted.

Therefore it is suggested again that an alternate/backup system be
adopted by the Civil Society for future
  Stakeholders Team  nominations.

Best regards

Francis

--------------------------------------------------


Bonjour

Toutes ces discussion et analyses au sujet du la proc?dure utilis?e pour
nomination au WGIG ont ?t? utiles
en consid?rant qu'il est probable que des nominations de ce type sont
susceptibles de se produire encore au PrepCom2,
et c'est la raison pour laquelle nous devrions maintenant examiner ?
l'avance ce qui pourrait ?tre les r?gles et ?tre s?r que des r?gles
annonc?es sont honn?tement mises en application.

Je voudrais apporter ? l'attention de tous  qu'a ?t? adopt? au dernier
GFC (version du 11 janvier, traduction perso ):
----------------------
10.  Afin d'assurer le perennit? du processus de WSIS apr?s
l'accomplissement de la phase de Tunis, nous acceptons d'?tablir un
m?canisme d'ex?cution pour les plans d'action de Gen?ve et de Tunis,
bas?s sur la coop?ration des gouvernements et de tous les acteurs;
avec le but principal d'aider les pays et soci?t?s ? r?aliser les buts
de d?veloppement de la d?claration de mill?nium.
  ? cet effet, pour chaque grande orientation des plans d'action de
Gen?ve et de Tunis (comme identifi? ? l'annexe), une *?quipe d'acteurs*
travaillera ensemble pour promouvoir son ex?cution.  Nous invitons le
s?cr?taire g?n?ral de l'ONU ? nommer, parmi des corps existants de l'ONU
ou des agences sp?cialis?es, ceux qui  [ moderer/coordonner ] le travail
de chaque ?quipe, bas? sur le respect pour leurs mandats et utilisant
leurs expertises, et dans le cadre de leurs ressources existantes

ce texte est une am?lioration du texte pr?c?dent (version de 4 janvier)
Je pr?senterais plus tard and des observations ? ce sujet dans un
rapport d'activit? du GFC2 et du GFC4 que je n'ai pas eu encore le temps
d'?crire.

Je suis d'accord avec le jugement de Renate au sujet du l'WGIG (il est
un des meilleures pratiques dans l'ONU)", ceci est certainement vrai du
point de vue de l'ONU,
je pense que c'?tait seulement ce qu'elle a voulu dire.
  L'ONU a fait tous ses efforts pour inclure la soci?t? civile, et si le
proc?d? interne de nomination du CS WGIG avait ?t? mis en application
comme annonc?, ceci aurait ?t? un accomplissement vraiment merveilleux.
Dommage qu'il ait ?t? corrompu.

Ce qui s'est produit au sujet du TFFM bas? ? New York-bas? est
franchement mauvais, il n'y eu aucune discussion au sujet d'un proc?d?
de nomination du CS TFFM, parce qu'il n'y en eu aucun!
La faute est enti?rement au PNUD.
Il semble celui ? New York, comme Renate signale, l'?tat d'esprit est
diff?rent.
La discussion actuelle au sujet du proc?d? interne de nomination de WGIG
n'affaiblit pas la CS, au contraire, elle le renforce, comme preuve de
d?mocratie, donc de cr?diblit?.

Lors du dernier GFCs, je me suis plaint ? Karklins et ? d'autres
d?l?gu?s de governement que le TFFM ne suivant pas le bon exemple du
WGIG.  Comme vous pouvez voir, je cite le WGIG comme bon exemple du
point de vue de l'ONU.

Par ailleurs il est plut?t ironique mon arrangement propos? de suppl?ant
a ?t? partiellement adopt? par le TFFM, voir
:http://www.wsis-finance.org/tffm-members.html
Il y a eu des si?ges vides de soci?t? civile au WGIG malheureusement,
comme je l'avait pr?vu.

Par cons?quent, il est sugg?r? encore une fois  qu'un syst?me de
suppl?ants soit adopt? par la soci?t? civile pour de futures nominations
pour les ?quipes d'acteurs.

Cordialement

  Francis





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From muguet at mdpi.org  Mon Jan 24 00:33:48 2005
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Moving on
In-Reply-To: <E1CsT7E-0002Eo-00@clever.eusc.inter.net>
References: <E1CsT7E-0002Eo-00@clever.eusc.inter.net>
Message-ID: <41F4426C.2060103@mdpi.org>

Dear Renata

> I think we all
>
Very respectfully, I believe this is an overstatement, I would say that 
most the people that are
in the working groups or families ( I guess most of the people that are 
active in the CS )
have been displeased by what happenned with their nonimees in the WGIG 
nomination
process and were eager to know more.
This being said. I guess it was good to learn from what happenned in the 
past
WGIG nomination and turn now our attention to the PrepCom2 and the 
"Stakeholders Team".
I guess it would be good that CS groups could send a short note to the CSB
with this in mind and the past WGIG nomination debate be closed.

> have enough of the ping pong between a few and will reinvest some 
> positive thinking for the PC2. I thank Joseph and Vreni for making the 
> point.
>

> While it is important to air out differences and frustrations on 
> certain issues, this should be done in small groups concerned, ideally 
> moderated, to find common ground.
>
I guess that the working methods WG should start its work as soon as 
possible

> It is vital that in the overall discussion on CS ?UN relations we do 
> not loose what we have gained in the WSIS, including in the WGIG (It 
> is one of best practices in the UN)
>
I fully agree, the WGIG is a very good practise from the point of view 
of the UN.
I know you have a different opinion concerning the internal CS 
nomination process.

> I am currently in New York for discussions on modalities for CS 
> participation in the Mill.+5 Summit, in which the WSIS concept is not 
> at all yet accepted. (Some Governments would just be too happy to hear 
> this kind of bickering to completely dismiss us)
>
>
In fact, I am sure that some governments are aware of what is posted on 
this list.
However we do not have to be shameful, I guess diplomats
have "influence fights" ( in fact, it is their jobs ) which are probably 
several
orders of magnitude more perverse than our little decent "bickerings".

Dear Olivier

> Making people feel bad, guilty, or criminal

Those who are innocent cannot be feel guilty by definition,
but if raising awareness can instill guilt in the culprits,
this is excellent !. Hope they would not renew what they did,
or at least be cautious.

> does not in any way encourage the spirit of sacrifice with which the 
> CS members are working.

On the contrary, this derailed WGIG nomination process stunned and shocked
many people that have subsequentlly lost confidence in the whole WSIS 
process, and of
course the "spirit of sacrifice" of many have been seriously eroded.
I hope that this whole discussion, with many contributors, by searching 
for the truth,
by allowing people to voice their frustrations, by learning from past 
errors,
is to going to help all volunteers to regain confidence in the process, and
to build a stronger, more resiliant Civil Society.

That's would be all my last contribution on this thread hopefully,
now the discussions should continue on the Preparation of
PrepCom2 and good working methods.

Best regards

Francis




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From muguet at mdpi.org  Mon Jan 24 00:35:14 2005
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Microsoft-UNESCO - agreement / accord  [Fwd: unesco]
Message-ID: <41F442C2.30303@mdpi.org>

Hello,

I just now noticed this mail ( fwd below ) while
searching in my past messages.

After the UNESCO Press conference 17 November 2004 which
I attended, we tried, Djilali and me in vain to get
UNESCO to post the UNESCO-M$  agreement on the
UNESCO site.  Finally, with the help of BPEM, we got
a scanned version online at
http://www.wsis-pct.org/unesco-miscrosoft.html
and
http://www.wsis-finance.org/gov-doc-en.html

At GFC4 ( 10 January ) I brought with me the UNESCO-M$
agreement and I showed it to the delegates of GFC countries,
who were unaware to this agreement made in reference to
the WSIS  and were puzzled that text was kept "secret".
I discussed also this point with Karkkins that assured
me that he will see to it.
It seems that he was efficient.
The next stage should be to ask that this agreement
should be translated in French and Spanish.

Best regards

Francis

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	unesco
Date: 	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:04:47 +0100
From: 	Moorhead, Victoria <V.Moorhead@unesco.org>
To: 	muguet@wtis.org



Dear Dr Muguet,

On behalf of the Director-General, I would like to acknowledge with
thanks receipt of your communication, in which you ask UNESCO to make
public the details of the agreement signed between UNESCO and Microsoft
on 17 November 2004. I am pleased to advise you that the ful text of the
cooperation agreement, together with the Director-General's speech, is
available online at the following web address :

http://portal.unesco.org/ci/en/ev.php-URL_ID=17589&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html 


<http://portal.unesco.org/ci/en/ev.php-URL_ID=17589&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html> 




With regard to the comments on FOSS, please note that UNESCO remains
very interested in the free and open source development model and as
reiterated by the Director-General, will continue to support the ongoing
and future activities in this field. UNESCO would like to emphasize that
the agreement with Microsoft is not an "either/or" situation - it is not
mutually exclusive of other relationships.

Yours sincerely,

Abdul Waheed Khan
Assistant Director-General for
Communication and Information


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From muguet at mdpi.org  Mon Jan 24 01:06:45 2005
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Coorection Re: Need to know the facts / Les Faits  Re:  [WSIS CS-Plenary]
 PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: <18EA5B42-6BC8-11D9-8C82-000393CC2112@acm.org>
References: <s1e9acf9.027@gwia201.syr.edu> <m3zmz92vkn.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org> <41EC146D.6020407@wz-berlin.de> <41F04A95.9020507@mdpi.org> <18EA5B42-6BC8-11D9-8C82-000393CC2112@acm.org>
Message-ID: <41F44A25.8020506@mdpi.org>

Reading my post on the list, I realized
I made an awfull typo.
Sorry


> I would like to contribute a few remarks to this discussion.  I do 
> this with a certain amount of trepidation,  but I do feel that those 
> who disagree with the most vocal position at this point should not sit 
> silently by as good people are condemned.

It is *not* the people that has been selected as WGIG that should be
condemned, but the internal CS WGIG nomination procedure.
The distinction is absolutely crucial


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From mclauglm at muohio.edu  Mon Jan 24 01:28:00 2005
From: mclauglm at muohio.edu (mclauglm@muohio.edu)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS folks at World Social Forum?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050123163108.06b46a20@gpo.iol.ie>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050123163108.06b46a20@gpo.iol.ie>
Message-ID: <49478.200.175.93.253.1106530080.squirrel@200.175.93.253>

To anyone who's at, or going to, the WSF, I just want to mention that the
Isis International-Manila "Movement Dialogue," to which I refer below, has
been moved to 27 January, in the afternoon.

Thanks,

Lisa


Hi Lisa
>
> I have just arrived here too, and there are a few things on WSIS.
>
> I am moderating a panel on session on Tuesday (pre-WSF) on From Geneva to
> Tunis with Mavic Balleza, Sally, Antonio Martins.
> This is part of the First Information and Communication World
> Forum.  www.ipsnews.net/new_adv/cworldforum_prog.asp
>
>
> AMARC has a session, though unfortunately I will have left by then.  It
> should be good:
> Saturday 29th January, Room D102, 12h
> Communication Rights and the World
> Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) -
> Campaign Assessment
> Evaluation of civil society involvement in the World Summit
> on the Information Society and discussion on strategy for
> the WSIS Summit to be held in Tunisia in November 2005.
> Organised by AMARC
> Participants: Elizabeth Robinson (Moderator), Steve Buckley (AMARC), Sihem
> Bensedrine (OLPEC, Tunisie), Mokhtar Trifi (Ligue tunisienne des droits de
> l'homme), Gustavo Gomez (AMARC-ALC) and others
>
> You or Rik could contact me at  hotel tel: 30261600 if you are around.  Or
> maybe pop into CRIS session on Thursday at  Usina do Gas?metro, Room 601
> (one of the 600 seater rooms)
>
> Bye
> Sean
>
> At 17:35 22/01/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>Hello Rik and all,
>>
>>I've just arrived in Porto Alegre, a few hours ago. I'll be attending the
>>Feminist Dialogues on the 23rd and 24th and making a presentation on the
>>Isis-International Manila sponsored panel on the 29th, Movement Dialogue
>>on ICT4D. I should be at the CRIS meeting on the 26th but I'm unaware of
>>any specific WSIS-related meetings here. It would be good to know this.
>>
>>I hope to see you and others here.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Lisa
>>Union for Democratic Communications
>>
>>Dear Friends,
>> >
>> > I will be at the World Social Forum in Porto Alegre next week on
>> behalf of
>> > CONGO, mostly participating in meetings relating to UN reform and the
>> > Millennium Development Goals.  But if there are WSIS related meetings
>> > planned, I will be happy to attend also.  I know that APC and the CRIS
>> > campaign plan to have a presence there already.
>> >
>> > I probably will not be reachable by phone, but will try and access my
>> > email from time to time.
>> >
>> > Rik Panganiban
>> >
>> > ==============================================> > RIK PANGANIBAN
>> Communications Coordinator
>> >
>> > Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United
>> Nations
>> > (CONGO)
>> > web: http://www.ngocongo.org
>> > email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
>> > mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Plenary mailing list
>> > Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>> > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>> >
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
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>>
>>
>>
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From vkleck at vecam.org  Mon Jan 24 06:53:04 2005
From: vkleck at vecam.org (Veronique Kleck)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS folks at World Social Forum?
In-Reply-To: <002801c4ffdb$ba938fd0$0b01a8c0@computer03>
Message-ID: <BE1A59E0.7058%vkleck@vecam.org>

Val, j'ai envoy? ce message sur la liste plenary mais je ne l'ai jamais re?u
??? Est ce que tu vois pourquoi ? Est ce que tu l'as re?u toi ?
Bisous
Vero

Hello all !!

VECAM found at the last moment some funding (but only for one person !) and
will also have the chance to participate to the WSF !

To give an "overview" on activities, seminars and other meeting on our
issues (but more communication and media than internet and other IS topics),
myriam, sally, sean, joan and many other fix a commun agenda that you will
find in attachment... Many thanks to them !
I just add the same commun agenda with a french translation

I also add the wonderful programm on  Free Software
Other world is possible! Other software is possible!
www.softwarelivre.org/news/3543
Digital Revolution: Free Software, free knowledge and free speech on
Information Society

Specially on wsis :

Saturday 29th January, Room D102, 12h
Communication Rights and the World
Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) -
Campaign Assessment
Evaluation of civil society involvement in the World Summit
on the Information Society and discussion on strategy for
the WSIS Summit to be held in Tunisia in November 2005.

And also the 
Thursday 27th January, Room D601,
8h30 AM ? 18h30
Communication Rights in the Information
Society (CRIS)
At 2.45pm : Round table on "democratization of Internet governance" with
Carlos (Alfonso) and myself !

Hope to meet many of you there !

Veronique



On 1/21/05 6:07 PM, "Raoul Weiler" <raoul.weiler@skynet.be> wrote:

> To Rik Panganiban,
> 
> I will be in Porte Alegre too and do the presentation
> of our initiative with UNESCO on digital divide.
> 
> The conference at Porte Alegre is on January 27 in Room A 105
> time afternoon (Turn 3! I have not yet more precise time).
> 
> I attach the flyer of our World Conference.
> 
> Cordially,
> 
> Raoul Weiler
> Club of Rome
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rik Panganiban" <rikp@earthlink.net>
> To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:02 PM
> Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS folks at World Social Forum?
> 
> 
>> Dear Friends,
>> 
>> I will be at the World Social Forum in Porto Alegre next week on behalf of
>> CONGO, mostly participating in meetings relating to UN reform and the
>> Millennium Development Goals.  But if there are WSIS related meetings
>> planned, I will be happy to attend also.  I know that APC and the CRIS
>> campaign plan to have a presence there already.
>> 
>> I probably will not be reachable by phone, but will try and access my
>> email from time to time.
>> 
>> Rik Panganiban
>> 
>> ===============================================
>> RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
>> 
>> Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations
>> (CONGO)
>> web: http://www.ngocongo.org
>> email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
>> mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
>> _______________________________________________
>> Plenary mailing list
>> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>> 
> 

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From vpeugeot at vecam.org  Mon Jan 24 09:29:07 2005
From: vpeugeot at vecam.org (Valerie Peugeot)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS folks at World Social Forum?
In-Reply-To: <BE1A59E0.7058%vkleck@vecam.org>
References: <BE1A59E0.7058%vkleck@vecam.org>
Message-ID: <41F4BFE3.6090009@vecam.org>

ben en ce moment je trache en direct tout le wsis... je le fais ? la 
v?ro quoi ! :)

mais si tu cliques sur le lien en bas de page, tu ac acc?s aux archives 
et si tu sais le jour ou tu l'as envoy? ?a ne devrait pas te prendre 
longtemps ? retrouver.

bsies

je te t?l
v

Veronique Kleck wrote:
> Val, j'ai envoy? ce message sur la liste plenary mais je ne l'ai jamais re?u
> ??? Est ce que tu vois pourquoi ? Est ce que tu l'as re?u toi ?
> Bisous
> Vero
> 
> Hello all !!
> 
> VECAM found at the last moment some funding (but only for one person !) and
> will also have the chance to participate to the WSF !
> 
> To give an "overview" on activities, seminars and other meeting on our
> issues (but more communication and media than internet and other IS topics),
> myriam, sally, sean, joan and many other fix a commun agenda that you will
> find in attachment... Many thanks to them !
> I just add the same commun agenda with a french translation
> 
> I also add the wonderful programm on  Free Software
> Other world is possible! Other software is possible!
> www.softwarelivre.org/news/3543
> Digital Revolution: Free Software, free knowledge and free speech on
> Information Society
> 
> Specially on wsis :
> 
> Saturday 29th January, Room D102, 12h
> Communication Rights and the World
> Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) -
> Campaign Assessment
> Evaluation of civil society involvement in the World Summit
> on the Information Society and discussion on strategy for
> the WSIS Summit to be held in Tunisia in November 2005.
> 
> And also the 
> Thursday 27th January, Room D601,
> 8h30 AM ? 18h30
> Communication Rights in the Information
> Society (CRIS)
> At 2.45pm : Round table on "democratization of Internet governance" with
> Carlos (Alfonso) and myself !
> 
> Hope to meet many of you there !
> 
> Veronique
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/21/05 6:07 PM, "Raoul Weiler" <raoul.weiler@skynet.be> wrote:
> 
> 
>>To Rik Panganiban,
>>
>>I will be in Porte Alegre too and do the presentation
>>of our initiative with UNESCO on digital divide.
>>
>>The conference at Porte Alegre is on January 27 in Room A 105
>>time afternoon (Turn 3! I have not yet more precise time).
>>
>>I attach the flyer of our World Conference.
>>
>>Cordially,
>>
>>Raoul Weiler
>>Club of Rome
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Rik Panganiban" <rikp@earthlink.net>
>>To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
>>Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:02 PM
>>Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS folks at World Social Forum?
>>
>>
>>
>>>Dear Friends,
>>>
>>>I will be at the World Social Forum in Porto Alegre next week on behalf of
>>>CONGO, mostly participating in meetings relating to UN reform and the
>>>Millennium Development Goals.  But if there are WSIS related meetings
>>>planned, I will be happy to attend also.  I know that APC and the CRIS
>>>campaign plan to have a presence there already.
>>>
>>>I probably will not be reachable by phone, but will try and access my
>>>email from time to time.
>>>
>>>Rik Panganiban
>>>
>>>===============================================
>>>RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
>>>
>>>Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations
>>>(CONGO)
>>>web: http://www.ngocongo.org
>>>email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
>>>mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Plenary mailing list
>>>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>>>
>>
> 
> 

From vb at bertola.eu.org  Mon Jan 24 10:14:58 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Updates on WGIG
Message-ID: <1106561698.3964.25.camel@croce.dyf.it>

All,

I thought useful to send a brief reminder to the Plenary about what the
WGIG is and what it is doing.

The WGIG is a group of experts that was chartered by the Plan of Action
of the Geneva Summit, with the following mission:

"i) Develop a working definition of Internet Governance;  

ii) Identify the public policy issues that are relevant to Internet
Governance;  

iii) Develop a common understanding of the respective roles and
responsibilities of governments, existing international organizations
and other forums as well as the private sector and civil society from
both developing and developed countries."

As such, the WGIG does not deal with policy, but only with the
mechanisms through which policy is discussed and approved - which,
however, are the key for a long term solution to many of the problems we
complain about.

WGIG members were appointed by the UN Secretary General, following
consultations with stakeholders (including our own process for
suggestions), but were chosen so to form an inclusive group that would
collectively have the necessary skills on the different issues; while
composition is balanced in term of geography and stakeholders, there is
no direct representation involved.

The WGIG is required to present an interim report to PrepCom-2, and then
a final report on June 30, so that it can be discussed in PrepCom-3.
Consequently, PrepCom-2 will not discuss or negotiate any issue
pertaining to Internet governance, while these issues will be discussed
and negotiated at PrepCom-3.

The interim report will be a collection of "issue papers" that describe
the issues that belong to the Internet Governance field (parts i) and
ii) of the mission). The third part of the mission will be discussed
from March on.

These issue papers are now being drafted by the group; a list of the
issues was prepared by the Secretariat, and each issue was then taken by
a WGIG member, volunteering to act as "lead drafter"; first drafts were
due by January 20, and are now under discussion by the whole group. 

Current plans are to finalize the drafts by January 31, so that they can
then be commented by the public, either online or at the open
consultations that will be held in Geneva on February 15-16. The group
will then meet the following two days to take comments into account and
then release the final papers, which will form the interim report. This
report will be presented to PrepCom-2 on February 24 (I have no idea
whether some discussion will follow, maybe someone in the CSB knows?).

Thus, caucuses and working groups should be prepared to submit comments
before February 14, and/or to send someone at the open consultations to
read them in front of the group. I am working, together with the
Secretariat, to ensure that the consultations are webcast in English and
French, and that there will be options for remote input.

I think that a number of strategic objectives of our collective action
could be significantly helped by positive results of the WGIG. So I
think that we should try to coordinate ourselves, including WGIG
members, connectors and all other civil society participants, so to make
our action in the group effective.

In any case, the WGIG will not take decisions, but rather make proposals
to be then discussed and negotiated at PrepCom-3. While having the WGIG
make proposals that we like will be very important, an equivalent work
will be necessary in view of Tunis, to get these proposals approved by
the governments and reflected in the outcome of WSIS-II.

For more information, you should visit the WGIG website
(http://www.wgig.org/) and especially have a look at the following
pages:
- WGIG mission: http://www.wgig.org/About.html
- WGIG members: http://www.wgig.org/members.html
- List of issues: http://www.wgig.org/docs/inventory-issues.html
- Template for papers: http://www.wgig.org/docs/Template.14.12.04.html
- February meetings: http://www.wgig.org/meeting-february.html

Please feel free to forward this message to caucuses or to any other
relevant list.

Thanks,
-- 
vb.             [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...


From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Mon Jan 24 11:33:54 2005
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PrepCom2 Info
Message-ID: <41DEABCE001844DE@mail21.bluewin.ch> (added by postmaster@bluewin.ch)

Dear all,

 

In order to accommodate your meeting requirements accordingly during
PrepCom2 and to circulate a provisional programme, we need the following
information:

 

-          Title of the meeting

-          Date 

-          Timing / Duration

-          Number of persons attending

-          Interpretation needed (English/French(Spanish)

-          Technical services required (over-head projector, flipcharts,
etc)

 

ALL requests should be sent ASAP to:

 

Renate Bloem
President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
11, Avenue de la Paix
CH-1202 Geneva
Tel: +41 22 301 1000
Fax: +41 22 301 2000
E-mil:  <mailto:rbloem@ngocongo.org> rbloem@ngocongo.org
Website: www.ngocongo.org <http://www.ngocongo.org/> 

 

Cheers,

Adina FULGA RADI
CONGO Officer WSIS CS Secretariat

t. + 41 22 301 10 00

f. + 41 22 301 20 00

 

PS: I hope everyone is accredited/registered by now either as NGO in
consultative status with ECOSOC
http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/accreditation/ecosoc-form.html or as part of a
focal point (in which case you should have received by now a
username/password in order to register)

 

 

Cher tous,

 

Afin de pouvoir accommoder toutes vos demandes de r?union pendant PrepCom2
et de circuler un programme provisoire, on a besoin des informations
suivantes :

 

-          Titre de la r?union

-          Date

-          Dur?e

-          Nombre de personnes / participants

-          Interpr?tation demand?e (Anglais/Fran?ais/Espagnol)

-          Services techniques (over-head projector, flipcharts, etc)

 

Merci d?envoyer toutes vos demandes d?s que possible ?:

 

Renate Bloem
President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
11, Avenue de la Paix
CH-1202 Geneva
Tel: +41 22 301 1000
Fax: +41 22 301 2000
E-mil:  <mailto:rbloem@ngocongo.org> rbloem@ngocongo.org
Website: www.ngocongo.org <http://www.ngocongo.org/> 

 

 

Avec mes meilleures salutations,

Adina FULGA RADI
CONGO Officer WSIS CS Secretariat

t. + 41 22 301 10 00

f. + 41 22 301 20 00

 

PS: J?esp?re que vous ?tes ? pr?sent tous accr?dit?s/enregistr?s soit comme
NGO ayant un statut consultatif aupr?s de l'ECOSOC
http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/accreditation/ecosoc-form.html, soit comme
faisant partie d?un point focal (dans ce cas vous auriez d? recevoir un nom
d?utilisateur/mot de passe, afin de vous enregistrer)

 

 

 

 

The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, membership association
that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United Nations debates and
decisions. Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective is to ensure the
presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's governments and United
Nations agencies on issues of global concern.  For more information see our
website at www.ngocongo.org <http://www.ngocongo.org/> 


Reminder: CONGO Postal Address Has Changed


We will soon be unable to receive mail at our old address at the Palais des
Nations in Geneva.  So please make sure to update your records with CONGO's
new Geneva office postal address: CP 50, 1211 Gen?ve 20, Switzerland.  Our
physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 1st Floor, 1202 Gen?ve,
Switzerland.

 

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From a.loreto at ceu.it  Mon Jan 24 13:02:58 2005
From: a.loreto at ceu.it (Angelamaria Loreto)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Moving on
References: <E1CsT7E-0002Eo-00@clever.eusc.inter.net>
Message-ID: <00fe01c50215$0a755e80$6700a8c0@ACERAngela>

Dear Renata,

thank you very much. I agree with what you said and will be there on February 16. If it can be useful, FAO has a more open minded approach concerning CS participation and speech freedom.
With all my best

Angelamaria Loreto
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Renata Bloem 
  To: Plenary@wsis-cs.org 
  Cc: Adina Fulga Radi 
  Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 10:48 PM
  Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Moving on


  Dear all,

   

  I think we all have enough of the ping pong between a few and will reinvest some positive thinking for the PC2. I thank Joseph and Vreni for making the point.

   

  While it is important to air out differences and frustrations on certain issues, this should be done in small groups concerned, ideally moderated, to find common ground. 

   

  It is vital that in the overall discussion on CS -UN relations we do not loose what we have gained in the WSIS, including in the WGIG (It is one of best practices in the UN)

  I am currently in New York for discussions on modalities for CS participation in the Mill.+5 Summit, in which the WSIS concept is not at all yet accepted.  (Some Governments would just be too happy to hear this kind of bickering to completely dismiss us)

   

  We will organize a Briefing on Millennium + 5 on Wednesday, 16 February, 13:00-15:00 and I hope and look forward to seeing many of you face to face.

  Cheers,

  Renata 

   

   

   

   

  Renate Bloem
  President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
  11, Avenue de la Paix
  CH-1202 Geneva
  Tel: +41 22 301 1000
  Fax: +41 22 301 2000
  E-mil: rbloem@ngocongo.org
  Website: www.ngocongo.org

   

   

   

  The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, membership association that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United Nations debates and decisions. Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective is to ensure the presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's governments and United Nations agencies on issues of global concern.  For more information see our website at www.ngocongo.org

   

  Reminder: CONGO Postal Address Has Changed
  We will soon be unable to receive mail at our old address at the Palais des Nations in Geneva.  So please make sure to update your records with CONGO's new Geneva office postal address: CP 50, 1211 Gen?ve 20, Switzerland.  Our physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 1st Floor, 1202 Gen?ve, Switzerland.

   
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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Mon Jan 24 13:32:09 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PrepCom2 Info
In-Reply-To: <41DEABCE001844DE@mail21.bluewin.ch> (added by
 postmaster@bluewin.ch)
References: <41DEABCE001844DE@mail21.bluewin.ch> (added by
 postmaster@bluewin.ch)
Message-ID: <p0620071bbe1aa8db4c61@[192.168.1.251]>

Thanks.

What is the deadline to send you the information you request?

regards

Robert

At 12:33 PM +0100 1/24/05, Renata Bloem wrote:
>Dear all,
>
>In order to accommodate your meeting requirements accordingly during 
>PrepCom2 and to circulate a provisional programme, we need the 
>following information:
>
>-          Title of the meeting
>-          Date
>-          Timing / Duration
>-          Number of persons attending
>-          Interpretation needed (English/French(Spanish)
>-          Technical services required (over-head projector, flipcharts, etc)
>
>ALL requests should be sent ASAP to:
>

-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>
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From esther.joly at club-internet.fr  Mon Jan 24 17:21:40 2005
From: esther.joly at club-internet.fr (Esther Joly)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS folks at World Social Forum?
In-Reply-To: <41F4BFE3.6090009@vecam.org>
Message-ID: <BE1AED34.1D020%esther.joly@club-internet.fr>

Sympa ce petit interm?de fran?ais... Et f?minin

Bonne ann?e  in french aux  nanas :-))
Esther

> De?: Valerie Peugeot <vpeugeot@vecam.org>
> Soci?t??: Vecam
> R?pondre ??: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Date?: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:29:07 +0100
> ??: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Objet?: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS folks at World Social Forum?
> 
> ben en ce moment je trache en direct tout le wsis... je le fais ? la
> v?ro quoi ! :)
> 
> mais si tu cliques sur le lien en bas de page, tu ac acc?s aux archives
> et si tu sais le jour ou tu l'as envoy? ?a ne devrait pas te prendre
> longtemps ? retrouver.
> 
> bsies
> 
> je te t?l
> v
> 
> Veronique Kleck wrote:
>> Val, j'ai envoy? ce message sur la liste plenary mais je ne l'ai jamais re?u
>> ??? Est ce que tu vois pourquoi ? Est ce que tu l'as re?u toi ?
>> Bisous
>> Vero
>> 
>> Hello all !!
>> 
>> VECAM found at the last moment some funding (but only for one person !) and
>> will also have the chance to participate to the WSF !
>> 
>> To give an "overview" on activities, seminars and other meeting on our
>> issues (but more communication and media than internet and other IS topics),
>> myriam, sally, sean, joan and many other fix a commun agenda that you will
>> find in attachment... Many thanks to them !
>> I just add the same commun agenda with a french translation
>> 
>> I also add the wonderful programm on  Free Software
>> Other world is possible! Other software is possible!
>> www.softwarelivre.org/news/3543
>> Digital Revolution: Free Software, free knowledge and free speech on
>> Information Society
>> 
>> Specially on wsis :
>> 
>> Saturday 29th January, Room D102, 12h
>> Communication Rights and the World
>> Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) -
>> Campaign Assessment
>> Evaluation of civil society involvement in the World Summit
>> on the Information Society and discussion on strategy for
>> the WSIS Summit to be held in Tunisia in November 2005.
>> 
>> And also the 
>> Thursday 27th January, Room D601,
>> 8h30 AM ? 18h30
>> Communication Rights in the Information
>> Society (CRIS)
>> At 2.45pm : Round table on "democratization of Internet governance" with
>> Carlos (Alfonso) and myself !
>> 
>> Hope to meet many of you there !
>> 
>> Veronique
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/21/05 6:07 PM, "Raoul Weiler" <raoul.weiler@skynet.be> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> To Rik Panganiban,
>>> 
>>> I will be in Porte Alegre too and do the presentation
>>> of our initiative with UNESCO on digital divide.
>>> 
>>> The conference at Porte Alegre is on January 27 in Room A 105
>>> time afternoon (Turn 3! I have not yet more precise time).
>>> 
>>> I attach the flyer of our World Conference.
>>> 
>>> Cordially,
>>> 
>>> Raoul Weiler
>>> Club of Rome
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Rik Panganiban" <rikp@earthlink.net>
>>> To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:02 PM
>>> Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS folks at World Social Forum?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>> 
>>>> I will be at the World Social Forum in Porto Alegre next week on behalf of
>>>> CONGO, mostly participating in meetings relating to UN reform and the
>>>> Millennium Development Goals.  But if there are WSIS related meetings
>>>> planned, I will be happy to attend also.  I know that APC and the CRIS
>>>> campaign plan to have a presence there already.
>>>> 
>>>> I probably will not be reachable by phone, but will try and access my
>>>> email from time to time.
>>>> 
>>>> Rik Panganiban
>>>> 
>>>> ===============================================
>>>> RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
>>>> 
>>>> Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations
>>>> (CONGO)
>>>> web: http://www.ngocongo.org
>>>> email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
>>>> mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Plenary mailing list
>>>> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 


From armahleo at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jan 24 19:40:59 2005
From: armahleo at yahoo.co.uk (Leopold L.L. Armah)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Young People in Northern Ghana Urged to Attach More Importance To ICT Studies
Message-ID: <20050124194059.78255.qmail@web25007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Attach More Importance To ICT Studies - Students Urged


Mr Chikpah Demuyakor, Northern Regional Director of
Education last Saturday advised students and their
tutors to attach more importance to the study and
teaching of Information Communication Technology (ICT)
to help transform their societies. He said ICT was an
area, which could enrich societies whether they had
natural resources or not and stressed its importance
in national development. 
 

Mr Demuyakor gave the advice when he addressed
students from Junior and Senior Secondary schools in
the Tamale Metropolitan Area at the National Youth
Information Society Campaign (NYISC) in Tamale last
Saturday. 

The campaign is aimed at bringing young people
together through ICT, as well as getting them
developed, empowered and informed to deliberate on
issues that could build a sustainable information
society in Ghana. 

The Northern Region programme is one of the regional
outreach programmes throughout the country to herald
the World Summit dubbed: "Phase 2 Africa Preparatory
Conference in Ghana" to be held in from 28th January
to 4th February this year. Some 500 school children
from 21 JSS and 19 SSS in the Tamale Metropolis
attended the programme. 

Mr Demuyakor said it was becoming increasingly
competitive in the technological world and very
difficult to gain employment in Africa without the
knowledge of ICT and urged students throughout the
country to pay more attention to its study. He also
called on the Ghanaian workers to always update their
knowledge in ICT so that redundancy does not catch up
with them in future. 

The Director appealed to the ICT experts to focus
their emphasis on educational institutions where the
youth could easily be located in order for the country
to make headway in ICT development. 

Mr Leopold Armah, National Campaign Coordinator of
(NYISC) regretted that the youth use their ample time
accessing pornography on the Internet instead of using
the facility as a study guide. He expressed gratitude
to students in the northern sector saying: "Northern
students can make it in ICT because last year's
national champion in ICT essay competition come from
Navrongo in the Upper East". 

He expressed the hope that students in the country
would all be ICT literates in the next five years and
advised them not to regard ICT as a boring field. 

Source: GNA 24/01/05 


	
	
		
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From rikp at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 24 20:01:13 2005
From: rikp at earthlink.net (Rik Panganiban)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] quick update on Working Methods Working Group
Message-ID: <B334B0E8-6E42-11D9-BEB5-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>

Dear Friends,

I am off to Porto Alegre in a couple of hours, but I wanted to give you 
a quick update on what the Working Methods Working Group is up to.

The Working Methods Working Group has 37 participants representing a 
broad range of interests, regions and experiences, but generally are 
interested in how to support better working procedures and cooperation 
among NGOs in the WSIS process.

?	To find out more about the list, or to subscribe, please go to 
http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/workingmethods
?	To view the public archives of the email list, go to 
http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/pipermail/workingmethods/

The list is quite active, currently absorbed with discussing the 
process of selection of chairs for chairing of plenary sessions of 
civil society at the WSIS PrepComs.  I believe that we are close to 
agreeing on a set of recommendations which we will be sharing with 
plenary, the bureau and respective working groups and caucuses shortly. 
  We are also discussing a set of recommendations for caucuses and 
working groups for their operations and structure, which we hope to 
reach agreement on soon.

Just to clarify the role of the Working Methods Group, we are mandated 
to come up with suggestions, recommendations, a "toolkit" of options 
for civil society groups to use in their work with each other.  
Ultimately it is up to the respective caucuses, working groups, the 
bureau, content and themes and the plenary most of all to accept or 
reject these proposals.

Regards from freezing New York,

Rik Panganiban
CONGO

===============================================
RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations 
(CONGO)
web: http://www.ngocongo.org
email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524 
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From bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de  Mon Jan 24 20:56:37 2005
From: bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Ralf Bendrath)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] quick update on Working Methods Working Group
In-Reply-To: <B334B0E8-6E42-11D9-BEB5-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
References: <B334B0E8-6E42-11D9-BEB5-000A9581B2CC@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <41F56105.1080105@zedat.fu-berlin.de>

Rik, thanks for your update!

One question:

Are you also looking into delegation/nomination issues?

That was mainly what stirred up the debate around WGIG, but it also refers 
to our internal delegation structures like CSB, or to the CS speakers 
nomination process for the WSIS 2003.

Best, Ralf

From jsarr at refer.sn  Mon Jan 24 21:35:08 2005
From: jsarr at refer.sn (Joseph Sarr)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS folks at World Social Forum?
In-Reply-To: <41F4BFE3.6090009@vecam.org>
References: <BE1A59E0.7058%vkleck@vecam.org> <41F4BFE3.6090009@vecam.org>
Message-ID: <1106602508.41f56a0cdeec0@www.refer.sn>

Bonjour V?ro,
Bonjour Val?rie,

Moi, je vous re?ois 5/5. Il semble que, sur la liste de la pl?ni?re, quand vous
?tes trop longtemps sur les gradins, la machine vous oublie un peu (?). Alors ?
vos plumes, mesdames.
Je profite de l'occasion pour vous souhaiter ? toutes les deux, j'esp?re que ce
n'est pas trop tard, une excellente ann?e 2005, pleine de r?ves et de soci?t?s
de l'information.
Salutations tr?s cordiales.

Joseph
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Selon Valerie Peugeot <vpeugeot@vecam.org>:

> ben en ce moment je trache en direct tout le wsis... je le fais ? la 
> v?ro quoi ! :)
> 
> mais si tu cliques sur le lien en bas de page, tu ac acc?s aux archives 
> et si tu sais le jour ou tu l'as envoy? ?a ne devrait pas te prendre 
> longtemps ? retrouver.
> 
> bsies
> 
> je te t?l
> v
> 
> Veronique Kleck wrote:
> > Val, j'ai envoy? ce message sur la liste plenary mais je ne l'ai jamais
> re?u
> > ??? Est ce que tu vois pourquoi ? Est ce que tu l'as re?u toi ?
> > Bisous
> > Vero
> > 
> > Hello all !!
> > 
> > VECAM found at the last moment some funding (but only for one person !)
> and
> > will also have the chance to participate to the WSF !
> > 
> > To give an "overview" on activities, seminars and other meeting on our
> > issues (but more communication and media than internet and other IS
> topics),
> > myriam, sally, sean, joan and many other fix a commun agenda that you
> will
> > find in attachment... Many thanks to them !
> > I just add the same commun agenda with a french translation
> > 
> > I also add the wonderful programm on  Free Software
> > Other world is possible! Other software is possible!
> > www.softwarelivre.org/news/3543
> > Digital Revolution: Free Software, free knowledge and free speech on
> > Information Society
> > 
> > Specially on wsis :
> > 
> > Saturday 29th January, Room D102, 12h
> > Communication Rights and the World
> > Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) -
> > Campaign Assessment
> > Evaluation of civil society involvement in the World Summit
> > on the Information Society and discussion on strategy for
> > the WSIS Summit to be held in Tunisia in November 2005.
> > 
> > And also the 
> > Thursday 27th January, Room D601,
> > 8h30 AM ? 18h30
> > Communication Rights in the Information
> > Society (CRIS)
> > At 2.45pm : Round table on "democratization of Internet governance" with
> > Carlos (Alfonso) and myself !
> > 
> > Hope to meet many of you there !
> > 
> > Veronique
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 1/21/05 6:07 PM, "Raoul Weiler" <raoul.weiler@skynet.be> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>To Rik Panganiban,
> >>
> >>I will be in Porte Alegre too and do the presentation
> >>of our initiative with UNESCO on digital divide.
> >>
> >>The conference at Porte Alegre is on January 27 in Room A 105
> >>time afternoon (Turn 3! I have not yet more precise time).
> >>
> >>I attach the flyer of our World Conference.
> >>
> >>Cordially,
> >>
> >>Raoul Weiler
> >>Club of Rome
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Rik Panganiban" <rikp@earthlink.net>
> >>To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
> >>Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:02 PM
> >>Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS folks at World Social Forum?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Dear Friends,
> >>>
> >>>I will be at the World Social Forum in Porto Alegre next week on behalf
> of
> >>>CONGO, mostly participating in meetings relating to UN reform and the
> >>>Millennium Development Goals.  But if there are WSIS related meetings
> >>>planned, I will be happy to attend also.  I know that APC and the CRIS
> >>>campaign plan to have a presence there already.
> >>>
> >>>I probably will not be reachable by phone, but will try and access my
> >>>email from time to time.
> >>>
> >>>Rik Panganiban
> >>>
> >>>===============================================
> >>>RIK PANGANIBAN       Communications Coordinator
> >>>
> >>>Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations
> >>>(CONGO)
> >>>web: http://www.ngocongo.org
> >>>email: rik.panganiban@ngocongo.org
> >>>mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>Plenary mailing list
> >>>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >>>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> >>>
> >>
> > 
> > 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 


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From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Tue Jan 25 10:09:33 2005
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG Chronogical Account (text version)
In-Reply-To: <41F050AB.8020207@mdpi.org>
References: <41F050AB.8020207@mdpi.org>
Message-ID: <p06200700be1bc638ece5@[10.192.156.44]>

At 1:45 AM +0100 1/21/05, Dr. Francis MUGUET wrote:
>    Text version of
>http://www.wsis-pct.org/wgig.html
>
>
>
>    * Chronogical Account of the Civil Society Process concerning the
>    Establishment of the Working Group on Internet Governance (WGIG)
>    <http://www.wgig.org>
>
>    *


Francis, thank you for your attempt at a chronology of events.

I must apologize for being quiet during this discussion to date, busy 
with some very hectic travel and I am reading email in a very 
asynchronous way. But I would like to make some comments on this text 
as it seems to be presented as some kind of official history of 
events.

(Also, <http://www.too-much.tv> mentioned is down at the moment -- 
domain name problem.)


>
>At 10:35 AM +0900 9/7/04, Adam Peake wrote:
>
>>
>>After much deliberation on the process by which the candidate list 
>>would be compiled, we, as coordinators of the Internet Governance 
>>caucus have made the decision to invite each of the WSIS civil 
>>society caucuses and working groups to suggest between one (1) and 
>>three (3) names for inclusion on the candidate list.
>>
>>There is not agreement for this course of action among members of 
>>the IG Caucus, but time is pressing and we feel WSIS Civil Society 
>>must have an opportunity to participate in this process.  This can 
>>work if we all try to make it work.  It means trying to think what 
>>is best for civil society, and not any particular interest group. 
>>Please read this note carefully. And refer to the draft statement 
>>on structure of the WGIG you can find at this URL 
>><http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/> (Spanish, French, 
>>English and Portuguese.)
>>
>


And


>
>At 10:35 AM +0900 9/7/04, Adam Peake wrote:
>
>>  By asking for nominations from all of WSIS civil society we are 
>>inviting a potentially large number of names to be submitted. Some 
>>means of reducing the composite list we receive may be required. We 
>>look forward to your advice on how we might handle this situation, 
>>it is quite likely. We suggest discussions about this are started 
>>now on the CS plenary list.
>>


Here is the crucial issue we are concerned about now.

We warned it might be necessary to reduce the total number of 
nominees (from something like 29 caucuses and WG and an anticipated 
5-9 places) to a slate we could propose to Mr. Kummer. We asked for 
advice from Civil Society about how to do this.  No advice was given.

We had raised the same issue earlier in the summer to the Bureau 
(Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:54:20 +0900) and to the Plenary (Date: 
Sat, 21 Aug 2004 01:21:10 +0900) and I think also to Content and 
Themes when asking for advice on the statement about the structure of 
the WGIG (the translated draft referred to above. I don't have a full 
archive to refer to now.) It was an issue argued over in the Internet 
governance caucus where some members felt that it would be impossible 
for the plenary (collective caucuses and WG) to agree on shortlist of 
names.

We very clearly flagged that reducing the number suggested by all 
caucuses (29+ to 5-9) might be a problem.

We tried to present ideas for caucuses to follow that would help 
reduce the potential problem, i.e. the criteria for making 
recommendations (broadminded people who would be willing to represent 
CS interests, listen and communicate), working with other caucuses 
and thinking about the needs of civil society and diversity rather 
than the narrower interests of the particular caucus/WG.

With this background of course the nominating process wasn't perfect. 
However no one was able to offer advise when we asked.  It is 
disturbing that half a year later all we get is criticism.

So what we have is an imperfect process that produced good results. 
By any standard of what Civil Society has achieved in WSIS to date 
our position in WGIG is strong.

Towards the end of your history you write:


>
>At 1:45 AM +0100 1/21/05, Dr. Francis MUGUET wrote:
>
>>*Negative aspects* : The Internet Governance Caucus 
>><http://www.net-gov.org/> made a formal call to all working groups 
>>to submit candidates that shall have been included in the list of 
>>candidates that shall have been forwarded to Markus Kummer. It was 
>>extremely clear : / In making your caucuses/working groups 
>>recommendation, we request that you submit the following 
>>information, which will be passed on to Mr. Kummer, with the names 
>>of the candidates /.
>>However, none of the candidates that have been selected by the 
>>various thematic working groups and forwarded in time to Internet 
>>Governance Caucus <http://www.net-gov.org/> have been included in 
>>the candidates' list for WGIG membership, that has been presented 
>>to Markus Kummer, in complete disregard with the rationale and 
>>promise of the call made by the Internet Governance Caucus
>
>


What I wrote was:


>
>At 10:35 AM +0900 9/7/04, Adam Peake wrote:
>
>>
>>Members of the Internet governance caucus will aggregate the names 
>>received and send them along with the name of the caucus/working 
>>groups that made the nomination to Markus Kummer.  If any 
>>reconsideration of names is required in light of issues arising 
>>from the WGIG consultation on September 20-21 we will hold any 
>>relevant discussions about this on the plenary mailing list.
>>
>



Once the caucus' nominations had been received we told Mr. Kummer the 
URL <http://www.net-gov.org/wgig/nominees.php> We did this before we 
started the process of trying to present the reduced list. 
Information about all caucus nominees is still online.

It was then necessary to create a reduced list and Izumi Aizu wrote 
in email informing Mr. Kummer of our recommendations:


>>At 10:19 PM +0900 10/6/04, Adam Peake wrote:

   [I am quoting from Izumi's email I forwarded to the plenary list]

>>>
>>>We have setup a website for all the candidates recommended from
>>>different Caucuses and Working Group/Families:
>>>


I think you imply that information about candidates was kept from Mr. 
Kummer. This is not correct.

OK.


I hope it is clear that a great deal of time and effort went into 
providing information to all the different civil society structures. 
We tried to provide information about the process as best we knew it. 
We asked for advice. We tried repeatedly to include and listen to all 
civil society. We also repeatedly said that we had no intention of 
trying to prevent any other caucus from recommending names to Mr. 
Kummer.

We did not control deadlines we had to meet.  We had other issues to 
consider such as recommendations about the structure and processes 
the WGIG would adopt (also very successful from CS point of view.) 
And there was of course lobbying from various people, which is always 
tiresome to deal with (i.e. politely ignore.)

We -- and now I also speak for Jeanette -- are very pleased to have 
been involved with the work of the Internet governance caucus over 
the past year.  Civil society is very prominently positioned in this 
important part of WSIS phase two. We think the caucus has been 
extremely successful in all interactions on WSIS Internet governance 
(now the WGIG) to date.

Thanks,

Adam

From sbuckley at gn.apc.org  Tue Jan 25 16:57:47 2005
From: sbuckley at gn.apc.org (Steve Buckley)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IFEX-TMG News Release - Tunisia
Message-ID: <4.3.1.20050125164639.027a1368@pop.gn.apc.org>

24 January 2004, IFEX Tunisia Monitoring Group

IFEX Tunisia Monitoring Group expresses serious concerns over continued 
free expression violations in the country ahead of WSIS Preparatory 
Committee meeting in Geneva. http://www.ifex.org/en/content/view/full/63999/

Le Groupe d'observation sur la Tunisie au sein d'IFEX exprime ses vives 
inqui?tudes sur l'?tat de la libert? d'expression dans le pays alors que le 
Comit? pr?paratoire du SMSI s'appr?te ? r?unir ? Gen?ve 
http://www.ifex.org/fr/content/view/full/64001

NEWS RELEASE
[fran?ais ci-dessous]

24 January 2005

Tunisia - Serious concerns for World Summit on the Information Society

A joint monitoring visit to Tunisia undertaken by members of the 
International Freedom of Expression Exchange (IFEX) has found serious cause 
for continuing concern about the current state of freedom of expression and 
of civil liberties in Tunisia, including gross restrictions on freedom of 
the press, media, publishing and the Internet.

The visit, which took place from 14 to 19 January 2005, was the first of 
the IFEX Tunisia Monitoring Group and was organised in preparation for the 
World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS), a United Nations 
intergovernmental conference to be held in Tunis in November 2005. The 
purpose of the visit was to evaluate the state of freedom of expression in 
Tunisia and to assess the conditions for participation in the Summit.

The delegation, consisting of representatives of Egyptian Organisation for 
Human Rights, International PEN Writers in Prison Committee, International 
Publishers Association, Norwegian PEN, World Association of Community Radio 
Broadcasters and the World Press Freedom Committee, met with Tunisian 
writers, publishers and human rights organisations as well as government 
officials and government-sponsored agencies.

The delegation found serious cause for continuing concern in the following 
areas:

1.      Blocking of websites including news and information websites.
2.      Blocking of the distribution of books and publications.
3.      Restrictions on the freedom of association including the right of
           organisations to be legally established and to hold meetings.
4.      Restrictions on movement of human rights activists together with
           police surveillance, intimidation and interception of 
communications.
5.      Lack of pluralism in broadcast ownership with only one private 
broadcaster.
6.      Press censorship and lack of diversity of content in newspapers.
7.      Imprisonment of individuals for their opinions and media activities.
8.      Use of torture by the security services with impunity.

The IFEX Tunisia Monitoring Group is preparing a full report on the current 
state of freedom of expression in Tunisia with recommendations for 
improvement. The report, to be published at the next preparatory committee 
meeting of the WSIS, will provide indicators for monitoring freedom of 
expression in Tunisia in the run up to the World Summit. The WSIS 
Preparatory Committee is to meet in Geneva 17-25 February 2005.

-ends-

Further information:

Egyptian Organisation for Human Rights (EOHR) Tel: +20 2 363 6811/362 0467
Norwegian PEN  Tel: + 47 22479220
International PEN Writers in Prison Committee  Tel: +44 207 253 3226
International Publishers Association (IPA)  Tel: +41 22 346 30 18
World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters (AMARC) Tel: +1 514 982 0351
World Press Freedom Committee (WPFC)  Tel: +1 703 715 9811

Notes:

The IFEX Tunisia Monitoring Group consists of Article 19, Canadian 
Journalists for Free Expression, Centre for Human Rights and Democratic 
Studies, Egyptian Organisation for Human Rights, Index on Censorship, 
International PEN Writers in Prison Committee, International Publishers 
Association, Journaliste en Danger, Media Institute of Southern Africa, 
Norwegian PEN, World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters, World 
Association of Newspapers and the World Press Freedom Committee.

[AMARC, EOHR, IPA, Norwegian PEN, WPFC, WiPC-PEN]


COMMUNIQUE DE PRESSE

le 24 janvier, 2005

Tunisie ? Inqui?tude de mise pour le Sommet mondial sur la soci?t? de 
l?information (SMSI)

Une mission d?enqu?te en Tunisie entreprise par des membres de 
l?Intenational Freedom of Expression Exchange (IFEX) a mis en ?vidence un 
certain nombre de probl?mes dans le domaine de la libert? d?expression et 
des droits civiques en Tunisie. Cette mission a pu constater d?imporantes 
restrictions en mati?re de libert? de la presse, libert? des m?dias, 
libert? de publier et libert? d?acc?s ? l?Internet.

La visite, qui a eu lieu du 14 au 19 janvier 2005, ?tait la premi?re du 
Groupe de contr?le (surveillance ?) de la Tunisie au sein d?IFEX et a ?t? 
organis?e en vue du Sommet mondial sur la Soci?t? de l?Information (SMSI), 
une conf?rence intergouvermentale des Nations Unies qui doit se tenir ? 
Tunis en novembre 2005. Le but de la visite ?tait de  proc?der ? une ?tude 
de l??tat de la libert? d?expression en Tunisie et d??valuer les conditions 
de la participation au Sommet.

La d?l?gation ?tait compos?e de repr?sentants de l?Organisation ?gyptienne 
pour les droits de l?Homme, du Comit? des ?crivains en prison 
d?International PEN, de l?Union internationale des ?diteurs, du Centre PEN 
norv?gien, de l?Association mondiale des radiodiffuseurs communautaires et 
du Comit? mondial pour la libert? de la presse (WPFC). Elle a ?t? en mesure 
de rencontrer des militants des droits de l?Homme tunisiens, des ?crivains, 
des ?diteurs, des journalistes, ainsi que des repr?sentants du gouvernment 
ou d?agences gouvernementales tunisiens.

La mission d?enqu?te a permis de mettre en ?vidence un certain nombre de 
probl?mes dans les domaines suivants :

1.      Blocage de sites web, y compris de sites web d?information.
2.      Blocage de la distribution des livres et des publications.
3.      Atteinte ? la libert? d?association, y compris au droit des
           organisations d??tre l?galement ?tablies et d?organiser des 
r?unions.
4.      Atteinte ? la libre circulation des militants des droits de 
l?Homme, de
           m?me que surveillance polici?re, intimidation et interception 
des communications.
5.      Manque de pluralisme dans la propri?t? des diffuseurs avec 
seulement un seul diffuseur priv?.
6.      Censure de la presse et manque criant de diversit? dans le contenu 
des journaux.
7.      Emprisonnement des individus pour leur opinion et pour leurs 
activit?s dans le domaine des m?dias.
8.      Recours ? la torture par les forces de s?curit? en toute impunit?.

Le Groupe de contr?le de la Tunisie au sein d?IFEX est en train de pr?parer 
un rapport complet sur la situation actuelle de la libert? d?expression en 
Tunisie. Ce rapport, qui sera diffus? ? l?occasion de la prochaine r?union 
pr?paratoire du Sommet mondial sur la Soci?t? de l?Information (SMSI), 
avancera un certain nombre de recommandations visant ? am?liorer la 
situation, ainsi qu?un certain nombre d?indicateurs permettant de suivre au 
plus pr?s l??tat de la libert? d?expression en Tunisie jusqu?? la tenue du 
sommet en Tunisie en novembre 2005. La prochaine r?union pr?paratoire du 
SMSI aura lieu ? Gen?ve du 17 au 25 f?vrier 2005.

Le Groupe de contr?le de la Tunisie au sein d?IFEX regroupe les 
organisations suivantes: Article 19, Journalistes canadiens pour la libert? 
d?expression, le Centre pour les droits de l?Homme et les ?tudes 
d?mocratiques, l?Organisation ?gyptienne pour les droits de l?Homme, Index 
on Censorship, le Comit? des ?crivains en prison d?International PEN, 
l?Union internationale des ?diteurs, Journaliste en danger, le Media 
Institute of Southern Africa, le centre PEN norv?gien, l?Association 
mondiale des radiodiffuseurs communautaires, l?Association mondiale des 
journaux et le Comit? mondial pour la libert? de la Presse (World Press 
Freedom Committee).

Plus de l' information:

Egyptian Organisation for Human Rights  Tel: +20 2 363 6811/362 0467
Norwegian PEN  Tel: + 47 22479220
International PEN Writers in Prison Committee  Tel: +44 207 253 3226
International Publishers Association  Tel: +41 22 346 30 18
World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters Tel: +1 514 982 0351
World Press Freedom Committee  Tel: +1 703 715 9811

Notes:

The IFEX Tunisia Monitoring Group consists of Article 19, Canadian 
Journalists for Free Expression, Centre for Human Rights and Democratic 
Studies, Egyptian Organisation for Human Rights, Index on Censorship, 
International PEN Writers in Prison Committee, International Publishers 
Association, Journaliste en Danger, Media Institute of Southern Africa, 
Norwegian PEN, World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters, World 
Association of Newspapers and the World Press Freedom Committee.
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From greve at fsfeurope.org  Tue Jan 25 18:17:41 2005
From: greve at fsfeurope.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Updates on WGIG
In-Reply-To: <1106561698.3964.25.camel@croce.dyf.it> (Vittorio Bertola's
	message of "Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:14:58 +0100")
References: <1106561698.3964.25.camel@croce.dyf.it>
Message-ID: <m33bwp1igq.fsf@brain.gnuhh.org>

Dear Vittorio,

 || On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:14:58 +0100
 || Vittorio Bertola <vb@bertola.eu.org> wrote: 

 vb> I thought useful to send a brief reminder to the Plenary about
 vb> what the WGIG is and what it is doing. [...]

 vb> As such, the WGIG does not deal with policy, but only with the
 vb> mechanisms through which policy is discussed and approved -
 vb> which, however, are the key for a long term solution to many of
 vb> the problems we complain about.

I have to admit this does not reassure me much.

Having bad policies is quite a problem. Having an accepted mechanism
through which to create bad policies is much worse. This seems to add
to the damaging potential of the WGIG.

Seeing how past discussions have excluded Free Software and yielded to
proprietary pressure to create Free Software hostile policies and
seeing now how Free Software has again been excluded from the WGIG
does not make me very optimistic.

The only way to get to a stable policy-making process that does not
seek to put Free Software at a disadvantage would be to have full
participation of an independent and strong Free Software group that is
able to maintain positions against industry pressure and has no
particular interests besides seeing Free Software succeed as a model.

Since we cannot make that point ourselves within the WGIG, that will
be your job now, I'm afraid.

Regards,
Georg

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From ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es  Tue Jan 25 20:58:56 2005
From: ladymurrugarra at yahoo.es (Lady Murrugarra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] ONLINE EDUCA MADRID 2005
Message-ID: <20050125205856.34652.qmail@web26509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Holas a todos :
les paso este dato
 
http://www.online-educa-madrid.com/spain/index.htm
 
MAYOR INFORMACION
Nicol?s Hellers
periodismo@fibertel.com.ar 
Director para Am?rica Latina
ICWE - Online Educa Madrid

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From marzouki at ras.eu.org  Wed Jan 26 10:54:41 2005
From: marzouki at ras.eu.org (Meryem Marzouki)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E9claration_de_la_Soci=E9t=E9_Civile_Tunisienne?=
 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_Ind=E9pendante?=
Message-ID: <AE63E572-6F88-11D9-BE8A-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org>

Hi all,

You'll find hereafter a Declaration of Independent Tunisian Civil 
Society, released today. English version will come later.
Best regards,
Meryem Marzouki - Human Rights Caucus
===========

COMMUNIQUE

D?claration de la Soci?t? Civile Tunisienne Ind?pendante

Dans le cadre de leur mobilisation ? l?occasion du Sommet Mondial de la 
Soci?t? de l?Information (SMSI), les organisations de la Soci?t? Civile 
Ind?pendante Tunisienne se sont r?unies au si?ge de la LTDH ? Tunis le 
18 janvier 2005, afin d??laborer leurs perspectives d?actions pour la 
suite du SMSI.

Les organisations signataires :

- Rappellent que le Sommet intergouvernemental de Gen?ve a adopt? une 
D?claration de principes affirmant la centralit? des droits de l?homme 
et de la libert? d?expression comme principes fondamentaux de la 
soci?t? de l?information.
- Consid?rent que le SMSI va se r?unir dans un pays o? les atteintes 
flagrantes aux libert?s d?expression, d?information et d?opinion par 
les autorit?s, sont d?nonc?es par toutes les organisations 
internationales de droits humains.
- Rappellent que la Prepcom de Hammamet ne s?est pas d?roul?e dans des 
conditions saines : tentatives d?obstruction des travaux des ONG 
r?unies en pl?ni?re en faisant r?gner le chaos dans la salle et en 
amenant des gens par bus entiers, d?sinformation, violentes agressions 
verbales, entraves ? la diffusion de documents et m?me ? la libert? 
d?expression. Elles esp?rent que ce genre de comportements ne se 
reproduira plus
- Consid?rent que le SMSI constitue une opportunit? pour sensibiliser 
l?opinion nationale et internationale aux graves blocages impos?s par 
les autorit?s tunisiennes ? la vie d?mocratique. En effet, la censure 
exerc?e continuellement par les autorit?s tunisiennes emp?che le libre 
exercice de ces droits et libert?s, en particulier, la libert? de 
communiquer. De plus, des organisations ind?pendantes existantes et 
actives depuis plusieurs ann?es, se voient d?nier le droit de 
participer en leur nom propre au SMSI ? cause du refus des autorit?s 
tunisiennes de les reconna?tre.
- Entendent coordonner leur action et saisir cette occasion pour 
accentuer la pression sur le gouvernement tunisien afin que ces 
atteintes au plein exercice des droits fondamentaux et des libert?s 
soient lev?es.
- Affirment leur volont? de continuer ? agir dans le processus 
pr?paratoire de la seconde phase du SMSI.

Dans ce but, les organisations, signataires retiennent le principe d?un 
regroupement en une Coordination de la Soci?t? Civile Ind?pendante 
Tunisienne, dont les modalit?s de fonctionnement et les bases seront 
d?finies prochainement. Cette coordination, ouverte ? la participation 
de toutes les autres composantes de la Soci?t? civile Ind?pendante 
Tunisienne, a pour but :

1. D??laborer une plate-forme commune de revendications et d?actions 
dans le cadre de la pr?paration du SMSI, portant sur les questions 
nationales et internationales.
2. D??tablir des liens avec la Soci?t? Civile Internationale, en 
particulier les Caucus th?matiques et r?gionaux du SMSI, notamment ? 
travers l?organisation de forums civils ou toute autre initiative 
qu?ils jugent utiles ? l?occasion des r?unions du SMSI qui se tiendront 
en Tunisie.
3. Chaque composante de la Coordination s?attachera ? ?laborer des 
propositions sp?cifiques ? ses pr?occupations, dans le cadre du SMSI.




La coordination de la soci?t? civile ind?pendante tunisienne ?uvrera en 
commun pour :

- La reconnaissance du droit ? l?activit? l?gale des associations 
ind?pendantes de la soci?t? civile, et au libre exercice de leurs 
activit?s en Tunisie.
- La reconnaissance, pour tous les citoyens, ? la libert? d?expression, 
incluant la libert? de cr?er, publier et diffuser des journaux sur tous 
supports.
- La lev?e de toute forme de censure sur l?Internet et le respect de la 
libert? de navigation selon les normes internationales.
- La lib?ration des personnes emprisonn?es pour l?exercice de leur 
droit ? la libert? d?expression et d?association, conform?ment aux 
conventions internationales et notamment les internautes de Zarzis et 
de l?Ariana.
- L?assurance pour les organisations locales et internationales de 
d?fense des droits de l?homme et autres organisations de la soci?t? 
civile ainsi que les m?dias locaux et internationaux de participer 
librement au Sommet de Tunis, de publier, diffuser ou distribuer des 
documents sans menace de censure ou d?intimidations.

La coordination se f?licite des actions de la Soci?t? Civile 
Ind?pendante Tunisienne d?j? r?alis?es ou en cours, telles que 
l?organisation de missions d?observation et de contr?le des conditions 
n?cessaires au bon d?roulement du SMSI.

- Amicale Nationale des Anciens R?sistants (ANAR)
- Association des Ecrivains Libres (AEL)
- Association Internationale pour le soutien aux prisonniers politiques 
(AISPP)
- Association de Lutte contre la Torture en Tunisie (ALTT)
- Conseil National pour les Libert?s en Tunisie (CNLT)
- Ligue Tunisienne pour la d?fense des droits de l?Homme (LTDH)
- Observatoire pour la Libert? de Presse, d?Edition et de Cr?ation 
(OLPEC)
- Rassemblement pour une Alternative Internationale de D?veloppement 
(RAID-Attac Tunisie)
- Syndicat des journalistes tunisiens (SJT)


From marzouki at ras.eu.org  Wed Jan 26 14:23:22 2005
From: marzouki at ras.eu.org (Meryem Marzouki)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Resolution of the Tunisian Independent Civil Society
In-Reply-To: <AE63E572-6F88-11D9-BE8A-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org>
Message-ID: <D544D7DD-6FA5-11D9-B201-0003935A8C90@ras.eu.org>

Dear all,

Here is the English version of the Resolution of the Tunisian 
Independent Civil Society
Both versions can now be found on-line:

- (French): 
http://www.iris.sgdg.org/actions/smsi/hr-wsis/resol-TN-0105-fr.html
- (English): 
http://www.iris.sgdg.org/actions/smsi/hr-wsis/resol-TN-0105-en.html

Meryem Marzouki
==========

Resolution of the Tunisian Independent Civil Society (January 2005)
(Translation by WSIS Human Rights Caucus from the French original 
version)

In the framework of their mobilization related to the World Summit on 
the Information Society (WSIS), organizations of the Tunisian 
Independent Civil Society met at the LTDH (Tunisian Human Rights 
League) headquarters in Tunis on January 18, 2005, to elaborate their 
perspectives of actions regarding WSIS subsequent steps.

The signatory organizations:

- Remind that the intergovernmental Summit of Geneva has adopted a 
Declaration of Principles affirming the centrality of human rights and 
of freedom of expression as fundamental principles of the information 
society.
- Consider that the WSIS will meet in a country where blatant 
undermining of freedoms of expression, of information and of opinion by 
the authorities are denounced by all international human rights 
organizations.
- Remind that Hammamet PrepCom has not occurred in sound conditions: 
attempts to obstruct the work of the NGOs gathered in plenary session 
by turning the meeting into chaos and by bringing people with full 
buses, disinformation, violent verbal aggressiveness, hindrance to the 
dissemination of documents and even to the freedom of expression. They 
hope that this kind of behavior will not occur anymore.
- Consider WSIS as an opportunity to make aware the national and 
international opinion of serious hindrance imposed by the Tunisian 
authorities to the democratic life. Indeed, the censorship constantly 
exercized by the Tunisian authorities forbids the free exercize of 
these rights and freedoms, specially the freedom to communicate. In 
addition, existing independent organizations, active for years, are 
denied the right to participate in their own name to WSIS because the 
Tunisian authorities are denying them their official recognition.
- Intend to coordinate their action and to make profit of this 
opportunity to increase the pressure on the Tunisian government, in 
order to have these obstacles to the full exercize of fundamental 
rights  and freedoms removed.
- Affirm their intention to pursue their action in the framework of the 
preparatory process of WSIS second phase. To this end, the signatory 
organizations agree on the principle of their grouping into a 
Coordination of the Tunisian Independent Civil Society, which 
functioning modalities and bases will be defined soon. This 
Coordination, which is open to the participation of all other 
constituents of the Tunisian Independent Civil Society, has the 
following objectives:
	1. To elaborate a common platform of claims and actions in the 
framework of WSIS preparation,  regarding national and international 
issues.
	2. To establish links with the International Civil Society, specially 
WSIS thematic and regional caucuses, in particular through the 
organization of civil forums or any other initiative they consider 
useful during WSIS meetings to be held in Tunisia.
	3. Each constituent of the Coordination will take care of elaborating 
specific proposals in line with its own concerns, in relation to WSIS.

The Coordination of the Tunisian Independent Civil Society will work in 
common towards the following objectives:

- The recognition of the independent civil society organizations rights 
to act legally and to freely exercize their activities in Tunisia.
- The recognition of all citizens rights to freedom of expression, 
including the freedom to create, publish and disseminate journals using 
any medium.
- The removal of any form of Internet censorship and the respect of 
freedom to browse the Internet, in accordance with international norms.
- The release of the persons put in jail because they exercized their 
right to freedom of expression and association in accordance with 
international conventions, specially the Zarzis Internet users and the 
Ariana  Internet users.
- The assurance that local and international human rights organizations 
and other civil society organizations, as well as local and 
international medias, will freely participate to WSIS, and freely 
publish and disseminate documents without censorship threats or 
intimidations.

The coordination is pleased about Tunisian Independent Civil Society 
actions already or currently being undertaken, like the organization of 
missions to monitor and control the necessary conditions for the good 
course of WSIS.

- National Association of Former Resistance Fighters (Amicale Nationale 
des Anciens R?sistants, ANAR)
- Association of Free Writers (Association des Ecrivains Libres, AEL)
- International Association for the Support of Political Prisoners 
(Association Internationale pour le Soutien des Prisonniers Politiques, 
AISPP)
- Association for the Fight against Torture in Tunisia (Association de 
Lutte contre la Torture en Tunisie, ALTT)
- National Council for Freedoms in Tunisia (Conseil National pour les 
Libert?s en Tunisie, CNLT)
- French Tunisian Human Rights League (Ligue Tunisienne pour la d?fense 
des Droits de l'Homme, LTDH)
- Observatory for the Freedom of the Press, Publishing and Creating 
(Observatoire pour la Libert? de  Presse, d'Edition et de Cr?ation, 
OLPEC)
- Union for a Development Alternative (Rassemblement pour une 
Alternative de D?veloppement, RAID-Attac Tunisie)
- Tunisian Journalists Trade Union (Syndicat des journalistes 
tunisiens, SJT)


From muguet at mdpi.org  Wed Jan 26 23:35:14 2005
From: muguet at mdpi.org (Dr. Francis MUGUET)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG Chronogical Account (text version)
In-Reply-To: <p06200700be1bc638ece5@[10.192.156.44]>
References: <41F050AB.8020207@mdpi.org> <p06200700be1bc638ece5@[10.192.156.44]>
Message-ID: <41F82932.1070301@mdpi.org>

Dear Adam

I do not want to add anything more to this long thread.
I will reply to you privately, however. Those interested in my reply
may contact me, because it is not a secret.
I believe people had time now to make up their mind on this topic.
Since you are a co-coordinator of the IG group, if you want, I may
add comments from you, to the page containing the chronological
account.

Best regards

Francis

> At 1:45 AM +0100 1/21/05, Dr. Francis MUGUET wrote:
>
>>    Text version of
>> http://www.wsis-pct.org/wgig.html
>>
>>
>>
>>    * Chronogical Account of the Civil Society Process concerning the
>>    Establishment of the Working Group on Internet Governance (WGIG)
>>    <http://www.wgig.org>
>>
>>    *
>
>
>
> Francis, thank you for your attempt at a chronology of events.
>
> I must apologize for being quiet during this discussion to date, busy 
> with some very hectic travel and I am reading email in a very 
> asynchronous way. But I would like to make some comments on this text 
> as it seems to be presented as some kind of official history of events.
>
> (Also, <http://www.too-much.tv> mentioned is down at the moment -- 
> domain name problem.)
>
>
>>
>> At 10:35 AM +0900 9/7/04, Adam Peake wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> After much deliberation on the process by which the candidate list 
>>> would be compiled, we, as coordinators of the Internet Governance 
>>> caucus have made the decision to invite each of the WSIS civil 
>>> society caucuses and working groups to suggest between one (1) and 
>>> three (3) names for inclusion on the candidate list.
>>>
>>> There is not agreement for this course of action among members of 
>>> the IG Caucus, but time is pressing and we feel WSIS Civil Society 
>>> must have an opportunity to participate in this process.  This can 
>>> work if we all try to make it work.  It means trying to think what 
>>> is best for civil society, and not any particular interest group. 
>>> Please read this note carefully. And refer to the draft statement on 
>>> structure of the WGIG you can find at this URL 
>>> <http://www.too-much.tv/internet_governance/> (Spanish, French, 
>>> English and Portuguese.)
>>>
>>
>
>
> And
>
>
>>
>> At 10:35 AM +0900 9/7/04, Adam Peake wrote:
>>
>>>  By asking for nominations from all of WSIS civil society we are 
>>> inviting a potentially large number of names to be submitted. Some 
>>> means of reducing the composite list we receive may be required. We 
>>> look forward to your advice on how we might handle this situation, 
>>> it is quite likely. We suggest discussions about this are started 
>>> now on the CS plenary list.
>>>
>
>
> Here is the crucial issue we are concerned about now.
>
> We warned it might be necessary to reduce the total number of nominees 
> (from something like 29 caucuses and WG and an anticipated 5-9 places) 
> to a slate we could propose to Mr. Kummer. We asked for advice from 
> Civil Society about how to do this.  No advice was given.
>
> We had raised the same issue earlier in the summer to the Bureau 
> (Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:54:20 +0900) and to the Plenary (Date: Sat, 
> 21 Aug 2004 01:21:10 +0900) and I think also to Content and Themes 
> when asking for advice on the statement about the structure of the 
> WGIG (the translated draft referred to above. I don't have a full 
> archive to refer to now.) It was an issue argued over in the Internet 
> governance caucus where some members felt that it would be impossible 
> for the plenary (collective caucuses and WG) to agree on shortlist of 
> names.
>
> We very clearly flagged that reducing the number suggested by all 
> caucuses (29+ to 5-9) might be a problem.
>
> We tried to present ideas for caucuses to follow that would help 
> reduce the potential problem, i.e. the criteria for making 
> recommendations (broadminded people who would be willing to represent 
> CS interests, listen and communicate), working with other caucuses and 
> thinking about the needs of civil society and diversity rather than 
> the narrower interests of the particular caucus/WG.
>
> With this background of course the nominating process wasn't perfect.

> However no one was able to offer advise when we asked.

It is disturbing that half a year later all we get is criticism.

>
> So what we have is an imperfect process that produced good results. By 
> any standard of what Civil Society has achieved in WSIS to date our 
> position in WGIG is strong.
>
> Towards the end of your history you write:
>
>
>>
>> At 1:45 AM +0100 1/21/05, Dr. Francis MUGUET wrote:
>>
>>> *Negative aspects* : The Internet Governance Caucus 
>>> <http://www.net-gov.org/> made a formal call to all working groups 
>>> to submit candidates that shall have been included in the list of 
>>> candidates that shall have been forwarded to Markus Kummer. It was 
>>> extremely clear : / In making your caucuses/working groups 
>>> recommendation, we request that you submit the following 
>>> information, which will be passed on to Mr. Kummer, with the names 
>>> of the candidates /.
>>> However, none of the candidates that have been selected by the 
>>> various thematic working groups and forwarded in time to Internet 
>>> Governance Caucus <http://www.net-gov.org/> have been included in 
>>> the candidates' list for WGIG membership, that has been presented to 
>>> Markus Kummer, in complete disregard with the rationale and promise 
>>> of the call made by the Internet Governance Caucus
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> What I wrote was:
>
>
>>
>> At 10:35 AM +0900 9/7/04, Adam Peake wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Members of the Internet governance caucus will aggregate the names 
>>> received and send them along with the name of the caucus/working 
>>> groups that made the nomination to Markus Kummer.  If any 
>>> reconsideration of names is required in light of issues arising from 
>>> the WGIG consultation on September 20-21 we will hold any relevant 
>>> discussions about this on the plenary mailing list.
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> Once the caucus' nominations had been received we told Mr. Kummer the 
> URL <http://www.net-gov.org/wgig/nominees.php> We did this before we 
> started the process of trying to present the reduced list. Information 
> about all caucus nominees is still online.
>
> It was then necessary to create a reduced list and Izumi Aizu wrote in 
> email informing Mr. Kummer of our recommendations:
>
>
>>> At 10:19 PM +0900 10/6/04, Adam Peake wrote:
>>
>
>   [I am quoting from Izumi's email I forwarded to the plenary list]
>
>>>>
>>>> We have setup a website for all the candidates recommended from
>>>> different Caucuses and Working Group/Families:
>>>>
>
>
> I think you imply that information about candidates was kept from Mr. 
> Kummer. This is not correct.

never did so

>
> OK.
>
>
> I hope it is clear that a great deal of time and effort went into 
> providing information to all the different civil society structures. 
> We tried to provide information about the process as best we knew it. 
> We asked for advice. We tried repeatedly to include and listen to all 
> civil society. We also repeatedly said that we had no intention of 
> trying to prevent any other caucus from recommending names to Mr. Kummer.
>
> We did not control deadlines we had to meet.  We had other issues to 
> consider such as recommendations about the structure and processes the 
> WGIG would adopt (also very successful from CS point of view.) And 
> there was of course lobbying from various people, which is always 
> tiresome to deal with (i.e. politely ignore.)
>
> We -- and now I also speak for Jeanette -- are very pleased to have 
> been involved with the work of the Internet governance caucus over the 
> past year.  Civil society is very prominently positioned in this 
> important part of WSIS phase two. We think the caucus has been 
> extremely successful in all interactions on WSIS Internet governance 
> (now the WGIG) to date.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>


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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Thu Jan 27 15:05:46 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Strategic priorities for WGIG
Message-ID: <1106838347.3938.179.camel@croce.dyf.it>

All,

the time all of a sudden has come when the Secretariat has asked WGIG
members to list the issues they consider as priorities.

It is likely that the WGIG will ultimately deal with the governance
systems of no more than 5-7 of the issues originally listed.

While many things are not clear yet - for example, whether the decision
on priorities will be taken now or in Geneva, whether public comment
will be specifically asked on that, whether it will focus on issues or
on other aggregations or maybe on organizations to be reformed - it is
time that civil society as an aggregate starts to think at what it aims
to get from the WGIG.

I think that the WGIG offers a unique possibility, as it is very rare
that a group of people in which civil society is present as peer is
tasked to suggest which global governance regimes and institutions need
reform. Such a chance might not come again for many years.

As such, I think we have to consider which, of the organizations whose
policies affect the Internet, we deem to be the key ones whose missions
and structures should be revised.

ICANN is in the list by default, given what happened at WSIS-I.

Of course, you can imagine that my personal take is at WIPO and the
intellectual property regime - and of course, private sector
representatives are going to oppose this, and possibly to get the WGIG
state that WIPO needs no reform, or that such reform is not as urgent as
the ICANN one; so if we want to follow this way, we need a strong push
from this plenary and from caucuses.

Anyway, I think that you should browse through the list of issues at
http://www.wgig.org/docs/inventory-issues.html and try to pick the 5-7
most important ones to you and your groups.

You can give for granted that "root servers" and "names/IP
administration" will be there; my personal choice for the rest would
possibly be "intellectual property", "privacy/consumer rights", "spam",
"interconnection costs" and perhaps "trade/liberalization".

Caucus connectors should possibly raise the issue with their caucuses
and prepare to submit statements to the WGIG by February 14, both on the
priorities and on the content of the issue papers that will be released
next week.

It would be a great thing if there could be a collective civil society
statement, but I imagine there's not enough time for it.

Thanks,
-- 
vb.             [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...


From sbuckley at gn.apc.org  Thu Jan 27 16:03:45 2005
From: sbuckley at gn.apc.org (Steve Buckley)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IFEX TMG News Release - Tunisia - arabic version
Message-ID: <4.3.1.20050127160242.02a3de08@pop.gn.apc.org>

Here is a version of the IFEX-TMG news release in Arabic, courtesy of Index 
on Censorship
http://www.wsisarabicnews.org/news/tunisia-free-expression-groups-voice-wsis-co.shtml

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From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Thu Jan 27 16:16:20 2005
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Invitation for comments and new proposals on the text of the Group of Friends of the Chair (GFC)
Message-ID: <E1CuCJp-0001yx-00@havoc.eusc.inter.net>

Hi all,

 

Below was sent to us for distribution :

To the stakeholders in the WSIS process 

Sir, Madam 

The Group of Friends of the President (GFC) has issued two documents to be
submitted to PrepCom-2 as a possible basis for negotiations. These
documents, prepared in response to a request by Prepcom-1 of the Tunis phase
of the Summit, represent the outcome of meetings and consultations held
since October 2004. Working on the assumption that the outcome of the Tunis
phase would be one document in two parts, the GFC produced a Political
Chapeau and an Operational Part. The document is available on the documents
page of PrepCom-2 at
http://www.itu.int/wsis/documents/listing-all.asp?lang=en
<http://www.itu.int/wsis/documents/listing-all.asp?lang=en&c_event=pc2|2&c_t
ype=all|> &c_event=pc2|2&c_type=all|  

The Executive Secretariat invites written contributions from all
stakeholders to the latest versions of the Political Chapeau and Operational
Part. We would also like to invite for new proposals, which could be
incorporated into the text during PrepCom-2. All contributions will be
published on the WSIS website and will therefore be available to all
participants at PrepCom-2. Contributions should be sent by email to:
wsis-contributions@itu.int.

 

 

Chers tous,

 

Ce qui suit nous a ?t? envoy? pour sa distribution :

 

Aux parties prenantes au processus du SMSI

 

Madame, Monsieur,

 

Le Groupe d?Amis du Pr?sident (GAP) a publi? deux documents qui devront ?tre
soumis au PrepCom-2 comme une base possible de n?gociations. Ces documents,
pr?par?s en r?ponse ? une demande du PreCom-1 de la phase de Tunis du
Sommet, constitue le r?sultat des r?unions et des consultations tenues
depuis octobre 2004. En travaillant sur la probabilit? que le r?sultat
obtenu lors de la phase de Tunis soit un document en deux parties, le GAP a
?labor? un Chapeau Politique et une partie op?rationnelle. Le document est
disponible sur la page des documents du PrepCom-2, ? 

 
<http://www.itu.int/wsis/documents/listing-all.asp?lang=en&c_event=pc2|2&c_t
ype=all|>
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pe=all| 

 

Le Secr?tariat Ex?cutif invite toutes les parties prenantes ? apporter des
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nouvelles propositions qui pourraient ?tre incorpor?es dans le texte au
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Les contributions doivent ?tre envoy?es par e-mail ? :
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From: sbuckley at gn.apc.org (Steve Buckley)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IFEX TMG communicacion de prensa - Tunisia - espanol
Message-ID: <4.3.1.20050127161802.02a05ef8@pop.gn.apc.org>

T?nez: Misi?n de IFEX reporta "serias preocupaciones" con respecto a la 
cumbre de CMSI

Miembros de una misi?n investigadora de IFEX han encontrado ?serios motivos 
de preocupaci?n? en lo concerniente al estado actual de la libertad de 
expresi?n y las libertades civiles en el pa?s, incluyendo grandes 
restricciones a la libertad de prensa, medios de comunicaci?n, 
publicaciones y el Internet.

La visita, que tuvo lugar del 14 al 19 de enero de 2005, fue la primera 
realizada por el Grupo de IFEX para el Monitoreo de T?nez y fue organizada 
con miras a la preparaci?n de la Cumbre Mundial de la Sociedad de la 
Informaci?n (CMSI), una cumbre intergubernamental de la Naciones Unidas a 
realizarse en T?nez, en noviembre de 2005. La visita tuvo como prop?sito el 
hacer una evaluaci?n del estado de la libertad de expresi?n en T?nez y de 
las condiciones para la participaci?n en la Cumbre.

La delegaci?n estuvo conformada por representantes de: La Organizaci?n 
Egipcia para los Derechos Humanos, el Comit? de Escritores en Prisi?n de 
PEN Internacional, la Asociaci?n Internacional de Editores, PEN Noruega, la 
Asociaci?n Mundial de Radios Comunitarias y el Comit? Mundial para la 
Libertad de Expresi?n. La delegaci?n se reuni? con escritores tunecinos, 
editores y organizaciones para la defensa de los derechos humanos, as? como 
con funcionarios del gobierno y agencias respaldadas por el gobierno.

La delegaci?n de IFEX reporta motivos de preocupaci?n en ocho ?reas:
    * Bloqueo de los sitios Web, incluyendo sitios de noticias y de 
informaci?n
    * Prohibici?n en la distribuci?n de libros y de publicaciones
    * Restricciones en la libertad de asociaci?n, tales como el derecho de 
las organizaciones a ser establecidas legalmente y a celebrar reuniones
    * Restricciones en el desplazamiento de activistas de los derechos 
humanos, y una amplia vigilancia policial, intimidaci?n e interceptaci?n de 
comunicaciones
    * Carencia de pluralismo en la propiedad de los organismos difusores de 
informaci?n, con s?lo un difusor privado en el pa?s
    * Censura de prensa y falta de diversidad en el contenido de los 
peri?dicos
    * Encarcelamiento de los individuos por expresar sus opiniones y 
participar en actividades de los medios de comunicaci?n
    * Uso de la tortura por medio de los organismos de seguridad con 
impunidad.
El Grupo de IFEX para el Monitoreo de T?nez prepara en el momento un 
informe sobre el estado actual de la libertad de expresi?n en T?nez el cual 
tambi?n contendr? recomendaciones para mejorar la situaci?n. El informe, 
que ser? publicado en la pr?xima reuni?n del comit? preparatorio de CMSI, 
proporcionar? indicadores para supervisar la libertad de expresi?n en T?nez 
en los meses anteriores a la Cumbre mundial. El comit? preparatorio de CMSI 
se reunir? en Ginebra del 17 al 25 de febrero de 2005.

Para m?s informaci?n, visite:

La Organizaci?n Egipcia para los Derechos Humanos (EOHR) Tel: 20 2 363 
6811/362 0467

PEN Noruega Tel: 47 22479220

Comit? de Escritores en Prisi?n de PEN Internacional  Tel: +44 207 253 3226

Asociaci?n Internacional de Editores (IPA) Tel: +41 22 346 30 18

Asociaci?n Mundial de Radios Comunitarias (AMARC) Tel: +1 514 982 0351

Comit? Mundial para la Libertad de Expresi?n (WPFC) Tel: +1 703 715 9811

Nota:

El Grupo de IFEX para el Monitoreo de T?nez esta constituido por ART?CULO 
19, los Periodistas Canadienses Para la Libertad de Expresi?n (CJFE), el 
Centro de Estudios Sobre los Derechos Humanos y la Democracia (CEHURDES), 
EOHR, Index en Censura, WiPC, IPA, Periodistas en Peligro (JED), Instituto 
Surafricano de Medios de Comunicaci?n (MISA), PEN Noruega, AMARC, 
Asociaci?n Mundial de Peri?dicos (WAN) y WPFC.


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From mjr at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Jan 25 03:03:30 2005
From: mjr at dsl.pipex.com (MJ Ray)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:54:52 -0500 
	<s1e5485e.008@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s1e5485e.008@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <E1CtGzK-0003Ip-00@pipe.localnet>

[Esperante super kelkaj paragrafoj]

I have finally found time to read all the replies about the
PCT caucus and WGIG. Thank you for all the interesting ones.
I am saddened to see the prejudice and lack of facilitation
on this list. It looks like a few trying to flame anyone they
think agrees with FSF at all. Why? Is CS-plenary nobbled?

Nu, al PCT kaj WGIG:

Now, to PCT and WGIG:

Unue, mi pardonpetas se "ensure" ne estas la vera vorto pri WGIG.
Mi konkludis (ankaux de postoj al cs-plenary dissendlisto) ke WGIG
necese inkluzivas nur temojn, pri kio gxi havas sciulojn. Cxu ne?

First off, I apologise if "ensure" isn't the right word to use
about WGIG. I was concluded (including from posts to the cs
plenary list) that it was necessary that WGIG only covered topics
for which it had knowledgeable people. Is that correct?

Due, cxu liberkopi- kaj patent- sciuloj estas en WGIG? Kiuj?
Cxu ili favoras kreskontajn malpermisilojn?

Secondly, are there copyleft- and patent- knowledgeable people
who are involved in WGIG? Who? Are they sympathetic to increased
protection or not? (Seems a bit of confusion about that.)

[paragrafo nur angle]

I agree it is not important whether one calls "IP" by the name "PCT",
"intellectual rights" or "kebab meat". It *is* important to see
how the P, C and T differ and not just lump them together, like our
governments do all too often.

Fine, se ne estas sciuloj pri rimarkinda malplejparta kredo en WGIG,
do cxu postulo de CS-uloj estas provi konservi temon ekster WGIG?
Se WSIS estas inkluzivema anstataux reprezentema, kial WGIG-uloj
povas nure konsulti WSIS-ajn grupojn?

Finally, if there are no knowledgeable people from a significant
minority view involved in WGIG, then is it the duty of the CS
members to try to keep the topic *out* of WGIG for now? If WSIS is
participative instead of representative, why is it allowed for WGIG
members to merely consult with WSIS groups?  Maybe this is where the
"connector" idea was going, but didn't arrive.


Now a few side notes [nur angle]:

I was a little disappointed to see discussion of a concept being
copyrighted. I know we all have different interests, but I think
that's a good illustration of the problems about PC and T.

The discussion itself was interesting to me. I think
those interested in the idea of "FSF branded free software"
should look up the failed Open Source Initiative, which was a
marketing programme for free software at first. That's almost
a case study in why it doesn't work. It also shows that you
can modify the concept and coexist if you modify the name,
but maybe should research "forking friction" too.

I have absolutely no idea why MM asked me what Free Software advocates
thought. My sig was fair clear: My Opinion Only, as far as I know. I
have not contacted WSIS-CS before because I don't know how it
works. I still don't, to be honest, but it seems I might not be the
only one. (Also, it is frustrating that both www.wsis-cs.org and the
list archive need colour overrides to be readable... W3 WCAG please!)

Finally, back to workingmethods: Are consensus/consent-based groups
comfortable with majority-vote decisions, or are there no such groups
in WSIS-CS? How does voting fit in the "consensual" WSIS process?

-- 
MJR/slef  My Opinion Only and maybe not of any group I know.


From rkoven at compuserve.com  Thu Jan 27 18:36:51 2005
From: rkoven at compuserve.com (Ronald Koven)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG
Message-ID: <200501271336_MC3-1-9470-5957@compuserve.com>

Dear All --

Why oh why will people not sign their full names to their messages, so that
we can know who is doing the speaking ?

I just have no idea who "MJR" is, and I suspect that most others on the
list don't either.

He or she is hardly the only one to indulge in the quaint notion that
everyone knows everybody else's initials, first name or nickname.

Best, Rony Koven


From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Thu Jan 27 18:37:18 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Strategic priorities for WGIG
In-Reply-To: <1106838347.3938.179.camel@croce.dyf.it>
References: <1106838347.3938.179.camel@croce.dyf.it>
Message-ID: <p06210207be1ee38d19c4@[192.168.1.251]>

I would say that the 14th is a hard deadline - to effectively lobby, 
CS needs to have a strategy and document ready by then.

that the WGIG has changed it's mandate to a shorter list - is 
something which likely could have been predicted. What 5 or 7, well 
that's the issue. I would hope that the CS WGIG members have been 
prioritizing .


At 4:05 PM +0100 1/27/05, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>
>
>the time all of a sudden has come when the Secretariat has asked WGIG
>members to list the issues they consider as priorities.

no surprize.

>It is likely that the WGIG will ultimately deal with the governance
>systems of no more than 5-7 of the issues originally listed.
>
>While many things are not clear yet - for example, whether the decision
>on priorities will be taken now or in Geneva, whether public comment
>will be specifically asked on that, whether it will focus on issues or
>on other aggregations or maybe on organizations to be reformed - it is
>time that civil society as an aggregate starts to think at what it aims
>to get from the WGIG.

have the WGIG members not being doing this already ? But yes, a 
larger discussion is needed  - i would suggest that it be not related 
to past issue, but a discussion on the key issues, and how to 
priortize them. In essence, discussing priorities and strategy.

I don't think the plenary list is the most appropriate place for this 
- too much noise. A more effective discussion i think could take 
place on the governance list - which is open for all to join. (i 
think)


>I think that the WGIG offers a unique possibility, as it is very rare
>that a group of people in which civil society is present as peer is
>tasked to suggest which global governance regimes and institutions need
>reform. Such a chance might not come again for many years.

indeed. one must be cautious as well as expectations are high...


>As such, I think we have to consider which, of the organizations whose
>policies affect the Internet, we deem to be the key ones whose missions
>and structures should be revised.
>
ICANN is in the list by default, given what happened at WSIS-I.

So - ICANN..

>Of course, you can imagine that my personal take is at WIPO and the
>intellectual property regime - and of course, private sector
>representatives are going to oppose this, and possibly to get the WGIG
>state that WIPO needs no reform, or that such reform is not as urgent as
>the ICANN one; so if we want to follow this way, we need a strong push
>from this plenary and from caucuses.

makes it ICANN + Intellectual property (which is that the UN diplomats call it)


>Anyway, I think that you should browse through the list of issues at
>http://www.wgig.org/docs/inventory-issues.html and try to pick the 5-7
>most important ones to you and your groups.

should a deadline be set in regards when people should submit their items by?



>You can give for granted that "root servers" and "names/IP
>administration" will be there; my personal choice for the rest would
>possibly be "intellectual property", "privacy/consumer rights", "spam",
>"interconnection costs" and perhaps "trade/liberalization".

my quick list - interconnection costs,  privacy, consumer rights, 
spam, data protection, access to information...


>Caucus connectors should possibly raise the issue with their caucuses
>and prepare to submit statements to the WGIG by February 14, both on the
>priorities and on the content of the issue papers that will be released
>next week.


robert

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From karenb at gn.apc.org  Thu Jan 27 19:23:25 2005
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] DATES? Comments to WSIS Documents
In-Reply-To: <E1CuCJp-0001yx-00@havoc.eusc.inter.net>
References: <E1CuCJp-0001yx-00@havoc.eusc.inter.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050127192025.04868c80@pop.gn.apc.org>

hi renate

Unless i'm not reading carefully, i don't see any timeline on this request. 
Is there a cut off point for contributions? I know there was one late last 
year, but i assume this is a new call.

The way the post is written, you might assume that contributions can be 
made upto the eve of PrepCom? but i can't imagine that is the case..

would you be able to get clarifiction for us?

many thanks

karen banks (APC)

>Below was sent to us for distribution :
>
>To the stakeholders in the WSIS process
>
>Sir, Madam
>
>The Group of Friends of the President (GFC) has issued two documents to be 
>submitted to PrepCom-2 as a possible basis for negotiations. These 
>documents, prepared in response to a request by Prepcom-1 of the Tunis 
>phase of the Summit, represent the outcome of meetings and consultations 
>held since October 2004. Working on the assumption that the outcome of the 
>Tunis phase would be one document in two parts, the GFC produced a 
>Political Chapeau and an Operational Part. The document is available on 
>the documents page of PrepCom-2 
>at 
><http://www.itu.int/wsis/documents/listing-all.asp?lang=en&c_event=pc2|2&c_type=all|>http://www.itu.int/wsis/documents/listing-all.asp?lang=en&c_event=pc2|2&c_type=all| 
>
>
>The Executive Secretariat invites written contributions from all 
>stakeholders to the latest versions of the Political Chapeau and 
>Operational Part. We would also like to invite for new proposals, which 
>could be incorporated into the text during PrepCom-2. All contributions 
>will be published on the WSIS website and will therefore be available to 
>all participants at PrepCom-2. Contributions should be sent by email to: 
>wsis-contributions@itu.int.



From herve at info.unicaen.fr  Thu Jan 27 19:36:47 2005
From: herve at info.unicaen.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Herv=E9_Le_Crosnier?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Strategic priorities for WGIG
In-Reply-To: <p06210207be1ee38d19c4@[192.168.1.251]>
References: <1106838347.3938.179.camel@croce.dyf.it> <p06210207be1ee38d19c4@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <41F942CF.1010306@info.unicaen.fr>

> At 4:05 PM +0100 1/27/05, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>> You can give for granted that "root servers" and "names/IP
>> administration" will be there; my personal choice for the rest would
>> possibly be "intellectual property", "privacy/consumer rights", "spam",
>> "interconnection costs" and perhaps "trade/liberalization".
> 
>
	Hello,

	Please Vittorio, why do you think intellectual property
	is central for the WGIG....

	I do really think it's central. Central for the next economy
	to come, central for people rights to know and to use
	knowledge. It's central for development, as far as IP rights
	are putting hold on the capacity of underdeveloped countries
	to have a fair place on the global world.

	But why is this central for "governance" working group ?

	There's so many thing to deal while talking of IP rights
	that we never can consider it only through a narrow focus.

	Except to be put in front of a strange way to deal
	with problem : confer them to a technical goup. And
	by the way exclude all others actors...

	There was a debate on this CS list last october about
	this. And i was not sure the consensus was to put
	IP on the agenda of the WGIG.

	Please reconsider.

Herv? Le Crosnier

From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Thu Jan 27 21:26:30 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Preliminary schedule of Prepcom events
In-Reply-To: <41F942CF.1010306@info.unicaen.fr>
References: <1106838347.3938.179.camel@croce.dyf.it>
 <p06210207be1ee38d19c4@[192.168.1.251]> <41F942CF.1010306@info.unicaen.fr>
Message-ID: <p06210207be1f0c2f47e6@[192.168.1.251]>

I would first like to thank Andy Carvin for the WSIS wiki he's been 
kind enough to setup for the coming Prepcom.

The hope is that with the Wiki we'll have an online board that we can 
consult to know what's going on, where, and how to get there...

The Wiki address is as follows:

http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/wiki/index.php/WSIS_Prepcom_II

I would encourage all those involved in working groups, caucuses, 
and ad-hoc groups to add details related to any events you might be 
organizing.

regards

Robert

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From Mueller at syr.edu  Thu Jan 27 21:37:01 2005
From: Mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Strategic priorities for WGIG
Message-ID: <s1f918bd.052@gwia201.syr.edu>

Vittorio,
Thanks once again for your leadership. As my top four, I would propose
the following:

1. ICANN-related issues (DNS and IP addresses, root server admin,
etc.)
(Note that the real "issue" here is globalization or
internationalization of supervision and accountability of ICANN, role of
CS in it, and role of governments in it). 

2. Intellectual Property regimes and their intersection with ICANN
issues, free expression, diversity, competition, privacy, and
surveillance

3. Applicable jurisdiction, cross border coordination 
(This is a meta-issue that applies to all other issues.)

4. Spam

I think there is a broad consensus that IPR is one of the key issues.
Those who have appeared to dissent from that consensus have raised two
issues, neither of which detracts from the centrality of IPR to the
WGIG: i) they have objected to the term "intellectual property,"
proposing instead PCT, which is not a serious problem, either term could
be used; ii) they stated that the WGIG was intended to be technical in
focus, which is plainly wrong and can be proved so simply by reading the
WGIG's charter. 



From herve at info.unicaen.fr  Thu Jan 27 22:18:59 2005
From: herve at info.unicaen.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Herv=E9_Le_Crosnier?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:22 2007
Subject: IPR :I don't agree with Milton -> Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Strategic
 priorities for WGIG
In-Reply-To: <s1f918bd.052@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s1f918bd.052@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <41F968D3.5060408@info.unicaen.fr>

Milton Mueller wrote:
> 
> I think there is a broad consensus that IPR is one of the key issues.
> Those who have appeared to dissent from that consensus have raised two
> issues, neither of which detracts from the centrality of IPR to the
> WGIG: i) they have objected to the term "intellectual property,"
> proposing instead PCT, which is not a serious problem, either term could
> be used; ii) they stated that the WGIG was intended to be technical in
> focus, which is plainly wrong and can be proved so simply by reading the
> WGIG's charter. 


	Sorry Milton,

	None of those are the views i've expressed last fall,
	neither now.

	So for the consensus, please read intimely any position.
	WGIG is a political process, a question of regime, as
	you always says. But with a slant on technical feasability
	and of technical necessity for the conception of a network
	for information exchange.

	It's the governance of the Internet.

	IPR is really another domain, which concern many other things
	as medicines, indigenous knowledge, cultural domination through
	economy, spreading of scientific knowledge, the nature of
	software industry, equal repartition between North and South
	of the benefit of globalisation of trade, farmers and GM crops,
	the future of biotech industries, the libraries, ... and so, and
	so...

	And if we choose technical methods to encompass the problem
	of IPR equilibrium on the internet, we put all theses others
	domains at risk.

	Who in the WGIG is conceiving the problem of crop licensing
	for poor farmers in the South ?

	By nature, Civil society is vast and diverse. It encompass
	all the sectors, and decide for a consensus that can ensure
	all other parts of the civil society to have their point of
	view.

	So I maintain : IPR is not top on the agenda of the WGIG,
	because it was not top on the whole WSIS (for best and worse)
	and because there are other mouvements actually trying to
	find new and innovative ways to deal with IPR in information
	societies. I refer to the Geneva declaration for change on
	the OMPI, and the actually discussed Treaty on medicines
	to be proposed to WHO by civil society coordinators.

Herv? Le Crosnier

From veni at veni.com  Thu Jan 27 22:31:25 2005
From: veni at veni.com (veni markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Strategic priorities for WGIG
In-Reply-To: <1106838347.3938.179.camel@croce.dyf.it>
References: <1106838347.3938.179.camel@croce.dyf.it>
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At 16:05 27-01-2005 +0100, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>All,
>
>the time all of a sudden has come when the Secretariat has asked WGIG
>members to list the issues they consider as priorities.

Usually such things happen suddenly:) and the answer was due yesterday:)

>It is likely that the WGIG will ultimately deal with the governance
>systems of no more than 5-7 of the issues originally listed.

Huh? Why that?

>As such, I think we have to consider which, of the organizations whose
>policies affect the Internet, we deem to be the key ones whose missions
>and structures should be revised.

Hm, I just wonder if we should focus on organizations or on work they 
cover? I'd go for the work.


>Anyway, I think that you should browse through the list of issues at
>http://www.wgig.org/docs/inventory-issues.html and try to pick the 5-7
>most important ones to you and your groups.

Based on our experience in a developing country / country in transition 
(noone told us 15 years ago from where to where;)

- Competition policy, liberalization, privatization, regulations
- National policies & regulations
- Cybersecurity, cybercrime
- Freedom of information and media, Consumer, user protection, privacy
- Free and Open Source Software
- (i don't know which one falls into this: who pays for the international 
connectivity to the Internet, and why developing countries pay more than 
developed ones)
- spam


best,
veni 


From Mueller at syr.edu  Thu Jan 27 22:43:13 2005
From: Mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : Strategic priorities for WGIG
Message-ID: <s1f92838.007@gwia201.syr.edu>

>>> herve@info.unicaen.fr 1/27/2005 5:18:59 PM >>>
>IPR is really another domain, which concern many other things
>as medicines, indigenous knowledge, cultural domination through
>economy, spreading of scientific knowledge, the nature of
>software industry, equal repartition between North and South
>of the benefit of globalisation of trade, farmers and GM crops,
>the future of biotech industries, the libraries, ... and so, and
>so...

Yes, the term "IPR" encompasses many issues that are not connected to
Internet governance. But _some_ IPR issues, particularly those dealing
with copyright and trademark, and perhaps software patents, are central
to Internet governance. The creation of ICANN was prompted largely by
the desire to protect trademarks in the domain name space. The WIPO
Internet treaties (which is what WIPO calls them, not me) are about
copyright protection on the....Internet. etc., etc.

It seems you have made a very basic logical error. You say: Because not
all IPR issues fall within the domain of Internet governance, therefore
an Internet governance WG should not touch IPR at all. It is a logicall
fallacy. 

In advocating that WGIG deal with IPR, I am not suggesting a review and
reform of _ALL_ global IPR regimes on the planet; I am saying that those
aspects of IPR that affect Internet governance must be dealt with. The
sets intersect, and we should deal with the intersection. Not the
union.

>Who in the WGIG is conceiving the problem of crop licensing
>for poor farmers in the South ?

Out of scope, obviously, has nothing to do with Internet governance.
Until and unless crop seeds are transmitted via TCP/IP. ;-)

--MM

Dr. Milton Mueller
Syracuse University School of Information Studies
http://www.digital-convergence.org
http://www.internetgovernance.org


From fheinz at vialibre.org.ar  Thu Jan 27 22:53:01 2005
From: fheinz at vialibre.org.ar (Federico Heinz)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Strategic priorities for WGIG
In-Reply-To: <s1f918bd.052@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s1f918bd.052@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <1106866381.1863.253.camel@michelle>

On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 16:37 -0500, Milton Mueller wrote:
> I think there is a broad consensus that IPR is one of the key issues.
> Those who have appeared to dissent from that consensus

I am not sure that the consensus is in favor of treating "IPR" as a key
issue, not even that there is such a consensus. Your painting the people
who don't think the WGIG should address an "IPR" issue as "dissenting
from the consensus" may be premature.

> have raised two issues, neither of which detracts from the centrality
> of IPR to the WGIG: i) they have objected to the term "intellectual
> property," proposing instead PCT, which is not a serious problem,
> either term could be used; ii) they stated that the WGIG was intended
> to be technical in focus, which is plainly wrong and can be proved so
> simply by reading the WGIG's charter. 

Some people have indeed made points similar to the ones you mention, but
I'm afraid we have failed to communicate them appropriately. Let me try
to explain it anew:

     1. some people feel that "Intellectual Property Rights" as a title
        is confusing, because it encourages to oversimplify, and lump
        together regimes that are wildly different, such as copyrights,
        patents, trademarks and even geographical denominations. What
        these people advocate is not that WGIG discuss these issues
        under the "PCT" banner instead of "IPR", but something much
        deeper: that every time these issues are up for discussion, that
        each of them be treated separately, according to their nature.
        So, *if* WGIG is going to discuss patents, copyrights,
        trademarks and other kinds of state-granted monopolies, it ought
        to do separating clearly each regime: copyrights on one side,
        patents on other, trademarks on yet another. Otherwise, any
        recommendation on "IPR" done by the WGIG are bound to be
        problematic and ambiguous, because it wouldn't be clear to which
        regime it applies.
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From: fheinz at vialibre.org.ar (Federico Heinz)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Strategic priorities for WGIG
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(Sorry, a truncated version of this message went out by mistake earlier)

On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 16:37 -0500, Milton Mueller wrote:
> I think there is a broad consensus that IPR is one of the key issues.
> Those who have appeared to dissent from that consensus

I am not sure that the consensus is in favor of treating "IPR" as a key
issue, not even that there is such a consensus. Your painting the people
who don't think the WGIG should address an "IPR" issue as "dissenting
from the consensus" may be premature.

> have raised two issues, neither of which detracts from the centrality
> of IPR to the WGIG: i) they have objected to the term "intellectual
> property," proposing instead PCT, which is not a serious problem,
> either term could be used; ii) they stated that the WGIG was intended
> to be technical in focus, which is plainly wrong and can be proved so
> simply by reading the WGIG's charter. 

Some people have indeed made points similar to the ones you mention, but
I'm afraid we have failed to communicate them appropriately. Let me try
to explain it anew:

     1. some people feel that "Intellectual Property Rights" as a title
        is confusing, because it encourages to oversimplify, and lump
        together regimes that are wildly different, such as copyrights,
        patents, trademarks and even geographical denominations. What
        these people advocate is not that WGIG discuss these issues
        under the "PCT" banner instead of "IPR", but something much
        deeper: that every time these issues are up for discussion, that
        each of them be treated separately, according to their nature.
        So, *if* WGIG were going to discuss patents, copyrights,
        trademarks and other kinds of state-granted monopolies, it ought
        to do separating clearly each regime: copyrights on one side,
        patents on other, trademarks on yet another. Otherwise, any
        recommendation on "IPR" done by the WGIG (or any other group)
        are bound to be problematic and ambiguous, because it wouldn't
        be clear to which regime it applies.
     2. it's not a supposed technical nature of the WGIG that may make
        it unsuitable to discuss patents, copyrights and trademarks, but
        the fact that these issues are hardly relevant to "internet
        governance". These are all regimes that exist *outside* the
        internet, and are regulated by national laws. How each country
        wishes to handle these issues is a matter of sovereignity, and
        the internet has no role in enforcing any country's legislation,
        neither in that country nor in others. That is something that
        must be left to law enforcement and international
        relations/treaties, not to any "internet governance body" (such
        as ICANN or others) that has no mandate to enact and enforce
        laws.

Therefore, some people think that WGIG should address neither patents,
nor copyright, nor trademark.

This does not mean that each of this regimes does not need extensive
reform, but that it may not be WGIG's role to call for it.

I hope to have contributed some clarity to the issues at stake.

	Fede
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From robin at ipjustice.org  Thu Jan 27 23:31:06 2005
From: robin at ipjustice.org (Robin Gross)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Strategic priorities for WGIG
In-Reply-To: <s1f918bd.052@gwia201.syr.edu>
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Below are my top 5 choices ("wish list") for what the WGIG should deal 
with (they overlap somewhat).

1.  Promotion of freedom of expression values (including anonymity) on 
the Internet;

2.  Reform of over broad intellectual property rights regimes;

3.  Protection of Internet users' privacy rights;

4.  Encourage development of non-proprietary software development models;

5.  Address technical issues (DNS, root, IP address, etc).

Robin Gross
IP Justice



Milton Mueller wrote:
> Vittorio,
> Thanks once again for your leadership. As my top four, I would propose
> the following:
> 
> 1. ICANN-related issues (DNS and IP addresses, root server admin,
> etc.)
> (Note that the real "issue" here is globalization or
> internationalization of supervision and accountability of ICANN, role of
> CS in it, and role of governments in it). 
> 
> 2. Intellectual Property regimes and their intersection with ICANN
> issues, free expression, diversity, competition, privacy, and
> surveillance
> 
> 3. Applicable jurisdiction, cross border coordination 
> (This is a meta-issue that applies to all other issues.)
> 
> 4. Spam
> 
> I think there is a broad consensus that IPR is one of the key issues.
> Those who have appeared to dissent from that consensus have raised two
> issues, neither of which detracts from the centrality of IPR to the
> WGIG: i) they have objected to the term "intellectual property,"
> proposing instead PCT, which is not a serious problem, either term could
> be used; ii) they stated that the WGIG was intended to be technical in
> focus, which is plainly wrong and can be proved so simply by reading the
> WGIG's charter. 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Thu Jan 27 23:31:59 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Prepcom Costs - Travel and net access....
In-Reply-To: <1106602508.41f56a0cdeec0@www.refer.sn>
References: <BE1A59E0.7058%vkleck@vecam.org> <41F4BFE3.6090009@vecam.org>
 <1106602508.41f56a0cdeec0@www.refer.sn>
Message-ID: <p0621020abe1f29010925@[192.168.1.251]>

Further to my earlier message regarding costs of attending the 
prepcom, i'd like to add the following items :

- Public Transit
- Mobile Phone use
- Internet Access

(see details below)

I hope this proves useful ...

regards

Robert

----


Public Transit:

Transports Publics Genevois - http://www.unireso.com

Costs:

- 1 hr ticket - 3 CHF
- 24 hr pass - 10 CHF
- Weekly pass  - 35 CHF (which is most economical)

Mobile Phones:


GSM phones used in North America  can be used in Switzerland as 
roaming agreements are in place, however roaming rates  charge for 
receiving and placing calls. Costs are usually more than 2-3 $ /min! 
Over the course of a two week prepcom - that can add up to a lot?

To save costs, it is more economical to switch the SIM card in the 
mobile phone with one from a Swiss provider such as Swisscom. You 
need to make sure that your phone is not only dual or triband, but 
also unlocked (meaning you can place other sim cards in the phone).

Approx costs involved are as follows:

Sim Card (approx. 120 CHF per phone)
   Phone - use your own. make sure it's unlocked and dual or tri-band.
   SIM card & Airtime - approx. 120 CHF (Swisscom natel easy 80 
package is recommended)


Internet Access

It seems that the UN staff are more reluctant to set up wireless 
internet access (wifi) access in the Palais des Nations than was 
available in the past at the International Congress Center (where 
previous PrepComs took place). Apparently, the problem is that it 
would enable other meetings in the building to get wifi access - 
something that is contrary to security norms of UN buildings. 
However, a larger cyber cafe will be set up.

Only room XXII is equipped with wi-fi/WLAN. It is the room that will 
host the civil society plenary and a number of caucus meetings.


Swisscom has wireless (wifi) access points installed throughout the city.

The so called ?wireless? available at many hotels  are likely to be 
the Swisscom service

Costs  - one needs to use a PWLAN value card. How much do they cost you ask?

30 min access - 9 CHF
2h access - 19 CHF
24h access - 48 CHF
7 days access - 198 CHF

-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From fheinz at vialibre.org.ar  Thu Jan 27 23:35:46 2005
From: fheinz at vialibre.org.ar (Federico Heinz)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : Strategic priorities for WGIG
In-Reply-To: <s1f92838.007@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s1f92838.007@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <1106868946.1863.281.camel@michelle>

On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 17:43 -0500, Milton Mueller wrote:
> Yes, the term "IPR" encompasses many issues that are not connected to
> Internet governance. But _some_ IPR issues, particularly those dealing
> with copyright and trademark, and perhaps software patents, are central
> to Internet governance. The creation of ICANN was prompted largely by
> the desire to protect trademarks in the domain name space. The WIPO
> Internet treaties (which is what WIPO calls them, not me) are about
> copyright protection on the....Internet. etc., etc.

...and that's exactly why neither patents, nor copyrights or trademarks
belong in WGIG. ICANN's attempts at "protecting trademarks in the domain
name space" (the infamous "Uniform Dispute Resolution Policy") amount,
in the words of Enrique Chaparro, to "a supranational legal framework
[...] without the provisions of due process and well beyond its charter,
in a field that is already covered by the law of sovereign countries".

These are issues that ought to be resolved in courts and legislatures,
not in routers and servers!

> It seems you have made a very basic logical error. You say: Because not
> all IPR issues fall within the domain of Internet governance, therefore
> an Internet governance WG should not touch IPR at all. It is a logicall
> fallacy. 

I beg to differ. I think that what he and others are saying is neither
trademarks, copyrights or patents have anything to do with internet
governance, but rather with real-world governance, and that is best left
to each country' legislatures, not to technical measures nor "government
bodies" that have not been elected nor have any such mandate.

	Fede
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From robin at ipjustice.org  Fri Jan 28 00:06:23 2005
From: robin at ipjustice.org (Robin Gross)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : Strategic priorities for WGIG
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Federico Heinz wrote:

> ...and that's exactly why neither patents, nor copyrights or trademarks
> belong in WGIG. ICANN's attempts at "protecting trademarks in the domain
> name space" (the infamous "Uniform Dispute Resolution Policy") amount,
> in the words of Enrique Chaparro, to "a supranational legal framework
> [...] without the provisions of due process and well beyond its charter,
> in a field that is already covered by the law of sovereign countries".

This is a great statement about ICANN's UDRP (and ICANN in general). And 
it would be a real win, if we could persuade the WGIG report to say such 
a thing.

It is precisely because the various laws dealing with patents, 
copyrights, trademarks, trade secrets, etc. are causing so much harm to 
the development of the Internet and people's ability to use the Internet 
to improve their lives, that this discussion belongs directly in the 
WGIG's cross hairs.

The WGIG cannot make substantive law on these issues, that is certainly 
true (nor should it, as you rightly point out).  But it could 
*recognize* how, particularly on the Internet, over broad rights regimes 
(or the institutions that create them) are on a collision course with 
freedom of expression and competition values (or national sovereignty).

Robin


From veni at veni.com  Fri Jan 28 05:15:13 2005
From: veni at veni.com (veni markovski)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Fwd: Comments made this week in Washington - not helpful
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050128071018.03980ca8@193.200.15.187>

I think this should bring some soberness to the community.

The quote is from Warren's Washington Daily:

>Capitol Hill
>The Commerce Dept. should reconsider cutting loose ICANN, Sen. Burns 
>(R-Mont.) said in remarks on the  Senate floor.  In a statement supporting 
>confirmation of Carlos Gutierrez as Commerce secy., Burns said ICANN 
>is  in danger of "mission creep" and has turned into a "mini-international 
>organization."  ICANN's last ties to the DoC  are scheduled to expire in 
>2006.  "The U.S. government has played a crucial and positive role in the 
>creation of the Internet and in Internet governance, and I do not think 
>that such a decision as this should be taken without thorough  review and 
>understanding of its implications," Burns said.

One of the things I was thinking after last year's elections in the US was 
that George W. Bush is fully capable of bringing back the root servers and 
DNS under the Dept. of defence - after all the Internet was created for 
military purposes. The statement of this senator is precisely in that 
direction.

So, when I refer to some of you as to be cautious about challenging ICANN, 
you have to be aware that I am not speaking for the sake of speaking.
I have some experience (unfortunately) of how road to Hell is paved with 
good intentions. And why the actions of some of the Westerners here may 
cause more harm to the Internet and its self-management, than anyone else 
from a developing country can cause.

best,
veni

p.s. Oh, and by the way, do not try to say publicly that exactly because of 
such statements, we need to move everything to the UN, ITU, or other 
intragovernmental organization. Quite the contrary - if people try do that, 
then FOR SURE the self-management is OVER.

v. 


From j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk  Fri Jan 28 09:05:22 2005
From: j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk (Jonathan Cave)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : Strategic priorities for WGIG
In-Reply-To: <s1f92838.007@gwia201.syr.edu>
References: <s1f92838.007@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050128085515.024630e8@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>

I endorse the position of Vittorio and Milton Mueller regarding IPR.

For one thing, domain names are IP - they are encloseable or ownable bits 
of intangible property of substantial commercial (and other) value.

Beyond this, material to which the Internet provides access - and material 
its use creates (e.g. electronic documents and writings) are also IP and 
also - in many cases - protected or protectable. This protection and its 
enforcement determine the size and distribution of benefits and incentives 
shaping future use.

Third, the software and business and other methods that enable the Internet 
are also IP. This might not matter were it not for interoperability 
considerations. But we have already seen on these groups how technical and 
legal 'barriers to entry' affect the geometry of interconnection.

In my view, an IG group that did not consider IP would be like a traffic 
authority that ignored land ownership.

Cheers,

Jonathan

At 22:43 27/01/2005, Milton Mueller wrote:
> >>> herve@info.unicaen.fr 1/27/2005 5:18:59 PM >>>
>>IPR is really another domain, which concern many other things as 
>>medicines, indigenous knowledge, cultural domination through economy, 
>>spreading of scientific knowledge, the nature of software industry, equal 
>>repartition between North and South of the benefit of globalisation of 
>>trade, farmers and GM crops, the future of biotech industries, the 
>>libraries, ... and so, and so...
>
>Yes, the term "IPR" encompasses many issues that are not connected to 
>Internet governance. But _some_ IPR issues, particularly those dealing 
>with copyright and trademark, and perhaps software patents, are central to 
>Internet governance. The creation of ICANN was prompted largely by the 
>desire to protect trademarks in the domain name space. The WIPO Internet 
>treaties (which is what WIPO calls them, not me) are about copyright 
>protection on the....Internet. etc., etc.
>
>It seems you have made a very basic logical error. You say: Because not 
>all IPR issues fall within the domain of Internet governance, therefore an 
>Internet governance WG should not touch IPR at all. It is a logical fallacy.
>
>In advocating that WGIG deal with IPR, I am not suggesting a review and 
>reform of _ALL_ global IPR regimes on the planet; I am saying that those 
>aspects of IPR that affect Internet governance must be dealt with. The 
>sets intersect, and we should deal with the intersection. Not the
>union.

[Nice phrase:-)]

>>Who in the WGIG is conceiving the problem of crop licensing for poor 
>>farmers in the South ?
>
>Out of scope, obviously, has nothing to do with Internet governance. Until 
>and unless crop seeds are transmitted via TCP/IP. ;-)
>
>--MM
>
>Dr. Milton Mueller
>Syracuse University School of Information Studies
>http://www.digital-convergence.org
>http://www.internetgovernance.org
>
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From: j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk (Jonathan Cave)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Strategic priorities for WGIG
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At 22:53 27/01/2005, Federico Heinz wrote:
>On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 16:37 -0500, Milton Mueller wrote:
>>I think there is a broad consensus that IPR is one of the key issues. 
>>Those who have appeared to dissent from that consensus
>
>I am not sure that the consensus is in favor of treating "IPR" as a key 
>issue, not even that there is such a consensus. Your painting the people 
>who don't think the WGIG should address an "IPR" issue as "dissenting from 
>the consensus" may be premature.
>
>>have raised two issues, neither of which detracts from the centrality of 
>>IPR to the WGIG: i) they have objected to the term "intellectual 
>>property," proposing instead PCT, which is not a serious problem, either 
>>term could be used; ii) they stated that the WGIG was intended to be 
>>technical in focus, which is plainly wrong and can be proved so simply by 
>>reading the WGIG's charter.
>
>Some people have indeed made points similar to the ones you mention, but 
>I'm afraid we have failed to communicate them appropriately. Let me try to 
>explain it anew:
>
>      1. some people feel that "Intellectual Property Rights" as a title
>         is confusing, because it encourages to oversimplify, and lump
>         together regimes that are wildly different, such as copyrights,
>         patents, trademarks and even geographical denominations. What
>         these people advocate is not that WGIG discuss these issues
>         under the "PCT" banner instead of "IPR", but something much
>         deeper: that every time these issues are up for discussion, that
>         each of them be treated separately, according to their nature.
>         So, *if* WGIG is going to discuss patents, copyrights,
>         trademarks and other kinds of state-granted monopolies, it ought
>         to do separating clearly each regime: copyrights on one side,
>         patents on other, trademarks on yet another. Otherwise, any
>         recommendation on "IPR" done by the WGIG are bound to be
>         problematic and ambiguous, because it wouldn't be clear to which
>         regime it applies.

I feel this renders too much to the lawyers. One of the basic points is 
that it is not immediately obvious which regime should apply - they have 
very different characteristics. A minor point is that copyright is far less 
of a state-granted monopoly than patent. Moreover, new regimes are emerging 
which have the force of convention if not yet the colour of law.

I'd be much happier if the group could start from first principles, 
identifying the contribution to IG of different regimes and bundles of 
rights and the possibilities for securing them (and removing 
counterproductive ones). If a partition is desired, it might make more 
sense to separate different types of IP rather than different classes of 
IPR - in other words, separate e.g. designators from business practices 
from creative writing from the codification of technology, etc.

Cheers,

Jonathan

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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Fri Jan 28 10:34:21 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: IPR :I don't agree with Milton -> Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary]
 Strategic priorities for WGIG
In-Reply-To: <41F968D3.5060408@info.unicaen.fr>
References: <s1f918bd.052@gwia201.syr.edu>
	 <41F968D3.5060408@info.unicaen.fr>
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Il giorno gio, 27-01-2005 alle 23:18 +0100, Herv? Le Crosnier ha
scritto:
> 	So I maintain : IPR is not top on the agenda of the WGIG,
> 	because it was not top on the whole WSIS (for best and worse)
> 	and because there are other mouvements actually trying to
> 	find new and innovative ways to deal with IPR in information
> 	societies. I refer to the Geneva declaration for change on
> 	the OMPI, and the actually discussed Treaty on medicines
> 	to be proposed to WHO by civil society coordinators.

There still is something that escapes me. My line of reasoning is:

1) For the first (and maybe the last) time, we have a UN
multistakeholder group that is tasked to review the inner mechanisms of
international governance organizations that affect the Internet (and
it's unclear to me how you can say that IP governance does not affect
the Internet).

2) We also have a strong civil society movement that asks for changes in
the IP regimes.

3) As a consequence, we should get WGIG to support the idea that the IP
governance systems needs review. (WGIG would not do reforms - just make
proposals, in this case, for example, that a broadly inclusive reform
process is started).

4) As a counter-consequence, if WGIG decides not to review IP
governance, opponents to a reform will be able to say "we had a group
tasked with this kind of evaluations and it determined that the IP
regime is fine, so that's a proof that there's no need to reform it".

Moreover, I don't understand how you can talk about "other movements",
and how the fact that some people already call for reforms should
prevent anyone else from doing the same. I think that all of us share
the same objective, and all of us should help each other to reach it. If
we continue to divide, we will never get to anything.

I must also add that we now have a formal request from a WGIG member
from the private sector to prevent the WGIG paper on intellectual rights
from being published, because "we risk a serious and negative reaction
from certain members of the business community".

So now I am in front of a strange (and certainly unwanted!) alliance
between some people from the PCT caucus and the IP owners
representatives, both asking WGIG not to discuss possible changes in the
IP regime.

As I am sure that this is not your intention, I think you should
reconsider your position - perhaps after reading the draft WGIG paper on
the matter, which could be published in three days from now (or could
not, depending on what happens now inside the group).

Of course, if the plenary instead really thinks that there is no need to
raise the issue of reforms in the IP governance regimes, then I would
accept that.
-- 
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http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...


From jeanette at wz-berlin.de  Fri Jan 28 11:18:17 2005
From: jeanette at wz-berlin.de (Jeanette Hofmann)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : Strategic priorities for WGIG
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050128085515.024630e8@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>
References: <s1f92838.007@gwia201.syr.edu> <6.2.0.14.2.20050128085515.024630e8@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <41FA1F79.9000405@wz-berlin.de>


Jonathan Cave wrote:

> I endorse the position of Vittorio and Milton Mueller regarding IPR.

I also agree with Vittorio's, Milton's and Robin's positions.
In my view, WGIG is among the first processes that enables us to develop 
a comprehensive view of Internet governance. A comprehensive view that 
shows the linkages and interdependencies between various regimes such as 
standards development and IPR. It would be shortsighted to
let this opportunity pass without making the best possible use of it.

My list of items would be the following:

* Administration of Internet names, IP addresses and root server system
* Peering, interconnection and Internet leased line costs
* Consumer, user protection, privacy
* Competition policy, liberalization, privatization, regulation
* Intellectual Property rights
* perhaps spam (not sure about this item


> In my view, an IG group that did not consider IP would be like a traffic 
> authority that ignored land ownership.

  I agree.

jeanette
> 


From martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar  Fri Jan 28 11:39:48 2005
From: martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar (Martin Olivera)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Human Rights: Strategic priorities for WGIG
In-Reply-To: <41FA1F79.9000405@wz-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <20050128113948.6064.qmail@web52306.mail.yahoo.com>

 --- Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette@wz-berlin.de>
escribi?: 
> 
> 
> Jonathan Cave wrote:
> 
> > I endorse the position of Vittorio and Milton
> Mueller regarding IPR.
> 
> I also agree with Vittorio's, Milton's and Robin's
> positions.

I think that if different people proposed different
things it is not a good practice to say I agree withh
X1, with X2, with X3, with X4 (the same for
disagrreement) but with their ideas. If not we are
building "opinion teams" rather than consensus.

Personally I do not think that a WGIG be necessary (I
do not think that Internet should be governed, because
governance issues are not part of its intrinsic
nature).

Due to WGIG exists and that it is not representative
of the society, my view is that its mission should be
the assurement of some previously established common
principles.

The mission of WGIG should be to guarantee the Human
Rights on Internet arena.

No more, no less.

Regarding the issues clearly described in HHRR
Declaration, WGIG members and we, the people, could
guide our support or criticism.

Martin Olivera

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From fheinz at vialibre.org.ar  Fri Jan 28 14:23:59 2005
From: fheinz at vialibre.org.ar (Federico Heinz)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : Strategic priorities for WGIG
In-Reply-To: <41F981FF.50409@ipjustice.org>
References: <s1f92838.007@gwia201.syr.edu>
	 <1106868946.1863.281.camel@michelle>  <41F981FF.50409@ipjustice.org>
Message-ID: <1106922240.31097.27.camel@michelle>

On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 16:06 -0800, Robin Gross wrote:
> This is a great statement about ICANN's UDRP (and ICANN in general). And 
> it would be a real win, if we could persuade the WGIG report to say such 
> a thing.

I'm starting to think that the disagreement over whether WGIG should
address patents, copyrights and trademarks or not comes from a mismatch
of our understanding on what the WGIG's scope is.

I think that a statement along the lines of "whatever internet
governance is, its mechanisms should not attempt to either enforce nor
break any country's or treaty's laws, leaving those issues to the
elected legislatures and courts" would be useful and squarely within the
WGIG's scope. It ought also to be broad, and not relate just to
copyrights, or trademarks, but also to censorship, for example. I would
not call such an issue "intellectual property" nor "privacy" nor
"censorship", but rather "orthogonality with national legal frameworks".

Within that frame, if WGIG could pull it off to include a footnote
saying that the current copyright regime is a large obstacle to the
usefulness, ubiquity and progress of the net, while software patents are
a serious threat to further technological advance of a network that is
open to all, that would be just incredibly great. But I don't think
these are issues of *internet* governance, but of real-world governance.

> It is precisely because the various laws dealing with patents, 
> copyrights, trademarks, trade secrets, etc. are causing so much harm to 
> the development of the Internet and people's ability to use the Internet 
> to improve their lives, that this discussion belongs directly in the 
> WGIG's cross hairs.

I think it does belong in the plenary's cross hairs for sure. But
"internet governance" is a very narrow subject, and we should aim to
keep it as narrow as possible. Otherwise we may wake up to a world in
which connecting to the internet requires compliance to a number of
software controls on what the user is trying to do.

	Fede
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From fheinz at vialibre.org.ar  Fri Jan 28 14:41:49 2005
From: fheinz at vialibre.org.ar (Federico Heinz)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : Strategic priorities for WGIG
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On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 09:05 +0000, Jonathan Cave wrote:
> In my view, an IG group that did not consider IP would be like a
> traffic authority that ignored land ownership.

Beyond the extreme oversimplification implied in the metaphor, I think
it kind of fails to make your point, precisely because a traffic
authority has no bussiness setting policy on land ownership or its
enforcement. All it cares about is keeping the cars flowing in an
orderly fashion, it is none of its bussiness whether a car's destination
is the driver's property or not.

Let's abandon the metaphor quickly, lest we end up discussing it instead
of the real issue at hand. Internet Governance is about keeping the
internet going smoothly, it's about the rules that are expected from a
good netizen, regardless of where she comes from. Unless we want
software to implement chinese-style censorship installed in all *our*
routers, we should try to keep this governance scope as narrow as
possible, and avoid setting policy on anything that is not strictly
related to the internet as such.

	Fede

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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Fri Jan 28 14:55:51 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Prepcom Costs - Travel and net access....
In-Reply-To: <p0621020abe1f29010925@[192.168.1.251]>
References: <BE1A59E0.7058%vkleck@vecam.org> <41F4BFE3.6090009@vecam.org>
 <1106602508.41f56a0cdeec0@www.refer.sn>
 <p0621020abe1f29010925@[192.168.1.251]>
Message-ID: <p06210211be1ffacc25ab@[192.168.1.251]>

I have merged the the 2-3 messages I have posted earlier in regards 
to the costs involved for CS to WSIS meetings and made into a blog 
entry.  The  URL is

http://www.privaterra.org/activities/wsis/blog/wsis_meetings-cs_cost.html

I look forward to comments, specifically on what the exact gains 
(economic and otherwise)  we are expecting.

regards,

Robert
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Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From correia.rui at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 14:09:18 2005
From: correia.rui at gmail.com (Rui Correia)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Strategic priorities for WGIG
In-Reply-To: <41F942CF.1010306@info.unicaen.fr>
Message-ID: <000101c50543$03298e90$0100a8c0@Laptop>

At 4:05 PM +0100 1/27/05, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>> You can give for granted that "root servers" and "names/IP
>> administration" will be there; my personal choice for the rest would
>> possibly be "intellectual property", "privacy/consumer rights", "spam",
>> "interconnection costs" and perhaps "trade/liberalization".

ASIDE COMMENT: I see that on some postings we are using "IP" for two
different things -  as in the quote above and as Intellectual Property,
often appearing within lines of each other in one posting. 

Whether or not to bring in Int. Prop. Rights into WGIG would hinge on
Milton's "intersection" ("I am not suggesting a review and reform of _ALL_
global IPR regimes on the planet; I am saying that those aspects of IPR that
affect Internet governance must be dealt with. The sets intersect, and we
should deal with the intersection. Not the union"). 

I fully concur. We should focus on those aspects that will in days to come
determine whether or not IPR will limit one's choice of content, the mode of
access etc, such that people will no longer have access to information and
knowledge.

As for my choice of priorities, as seen from a (Southern) African
perspective (in no specific order):
**Affordable & Universal Access AND internet leased line costs
**Competition policy, liberalization, privatization, regulations AND
national policies and regulations - and here I refer to telecommunications,
which after all is the backbone
**Spam - until we have adequate access, a box full of spam is a waste of
resources, productivity and connection costs
**Cultural and linguistic diversity - all the knowledge in the world is not
worth an iota if it is not available in an understandable language.
**Open Source and Libre Software - goes without saying
**Privacy - where invasion of such is done to monitor political opinion and
goes hand in hand with Article 19 and other legislation on freedom of
expression. 


________________________________________________
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Advocacy, Media and Language Consultant
36 Finch St, 
Ontdekkers Park, Roodepoort, 
Johannesburg, South Africa
Tel/ Fax (+27-11) 766-4336
Cell (+27) (0) 83-368-1214

 


From fheinz at vialibre.org.ar  Fri Jan 28 15:24:55 2005
From: fheinz at vialibre.org.ar (Federico Heinz)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Fwd: Comments made this week in Washington -
	not helpful
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050128071018.03980ca8@193.200.15.187>
References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050128071018.03980ca8@193.200.15.187>
Message-ID: <1106925895.31097.88.camel@michelle>

On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 07:15 +0200, veni markovski wrote:
> One of the things I was thinking after last year's elections in the US was 
> that George W. Bush is fully capable of bringing back the root servers and 
> DNS under the Dept. of defence - after all the Internet was created for 
> military purposes.

Sure, he can try. He can even do it. With the US root servers. There are
root servers outside the US, and no part of the internet architecture
mandates that there must be only one such infrastructure, not even that
it be coordinated. So if the US wants to do that... there's nothing we
can do to stop them. Fortunately, the architecture of the internet
allows us to work around any such attempt. It'll demand ressources, of
course, but freedom and independence always have a cost.

> So, when I refer to some of you as to be cautious about challenging ICANN, 
> you have to be aware that I am not speaking for the sake of speaking.

ICANN is a private corporation doing contract work for the US Department
of Commerce. They would probably have no choice but to do whatever the
gevernment tells them to, so saying that ICANN could shield us from that
kind of things is at best an illusion.

> p.s. Oh, and by the way, do not try to say publicly that exactly because of 
> such statements, we need to move everything to the UN, ITU, or other 
> intragovernmental organization. Quite the contrary - if people try do that, 
> then FOR SURE the self-management is OVER.

I agree with you fully here. A good internet governance body ough to be
distributed, redundant, full of automatic cross-checks and able to cope
with temporary inconsistencies... just like the internet itself.

	Fede

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From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Fri Jan 28 15:01:31 2005
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] DATES? Comments to WSIS Documents
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050127192025.04868c80@pop.gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <41DEA2BD00206452@mail17.bluewin.ch> (added by postmaster@bluewin.ch)

Hi Karen,

 

There is no cut off at this point. All contributions will be put on the
website and can then be used for lobby at PrepCom2. The current Political
Chapeau and Operational Part will serve as starting point of the
discussions. 

It might be worthwhile to look at the alternative political chapeau, brought
forward by Canada, India and Spain for the 3rd December meeting, but got
somewhat lost in the following meetings.

Renata

 

 

Renate Bloem, President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)

11, Avenue de la Paix, CH-1202 Geneva

Tel: +41 22 301 1000, Fax: +41 22 301 2000

E-mil: rbloem@ngocongo.org, Website: www.ngocongo.org

 

 

 

 

-----Message d'origine-----
De : plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] De la part
de karen banks
Envoy? : jeudi, 27. janvier 2005 20:23
? : plenary@wsis-cs.org; bureau wsis; CS Plenary
Objet : [WSIS CS-Plenary] DATES? Comments to WSIS Documents

 

hi renate

 

Unless i'm not reading carefully, i don't see any timeline on this request. 

Is there a cut off point for contributions? I know there was one late last 

year, but i assume this is a new call.

 

The way the post is written, you might assume that contributions can be 

made upto the eve of PrepCom? but i can't imagine that is the case..

 

would you be able to get clarifiction for us?

 

many thanks

 

karen banks (APC)

 

>Below was sent to us for distribution :

> 

>To the stakeholders in the WSIS process

> 

>Sir, Madam

> 

>The Group of Friends of the President (GFC) has issued two documents to be 

>submitted to PrepCom-2 as a possible basis for negotiations. These 

>documents, prepared in response to a request by Prepcom-1 of the Tunis 

>phase of the Summit, represent the outcome of meetings and consultations 

>held since October 2004. Working on the assumption that the outcome of the 

>Tunis phase would be one document in two parts, the GFC produced a 

>Political Chapeau and an Operational Part. The document is available on 

>the documents page of PrepCom-2 

>at 

><http://www.itu.int/wsis/documents/listing-all.asp?lang=en&c_event=pc2|2&c_
type=all|>http://www.itu.int/wsis/documents/listing-all.asp?lang=en&c_event=
pc2|2&c_type=all| 

> 

> 

>The Executive Secretariat invites written contributions from all 

>stakeholders to the latest versions of the Political Chapeau and 

>Operational Part. We would also like to invite for new proposals, which 

>could be incorporated into the text during PrepCom-2. All contributions 

>will be published on the WSIS website and will therefore be available to 

>all participants at PrepCom-2. Contributions should be sent by email to: 

>wsis-contributions@itu.int.

 

 

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From: fheinz at vialibre.org.ar (Federico Heinz)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: IPR :I don't agree with Milton -> Re:
	[WSIS CS-Plenary] Strategic priorities for WGIG
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On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 11:34 +0100, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
> 1) For the first (and maybe the last) time, we have a UN
> multistakeholder group that is tasked to review the inner mechanisms of
> international governance organizations that affect the Internet (and
> it's unclear to me how you can say that IP governance does not affect
> the Internet).

A given country's copyright law affects the way the users of the
internet within its scope can use the internet. It does not affect the
internet as such, nor should it. The rules of the internet should not be
affected by any country's or treaty's copyright rules.

> 3) As a consequence, we should get WGIG to support the idea that the IP
> governance systems needs review. (WGIG would not do reforms - just make
> proposals, in this case, for example, that a broadly inclusive reform
> process is started).

Of course I expect the members of the WG to support the idea that
current copyright and some patent regimes are out of balance. This still
doesn't make it an internet governance issue.

> 4) As a counter-consequence, if WGIG decides not to review IP
> governance, opponents to a reform will be able to say "we had a group
> tasked with this kind of evaluations and it determined that the IP
> regime is fine, so that's a proof that there's no need to reform it".

It'd be hard to spin the news that way. All they could say would be "we
had a group tasked to evaluate internet governance issues, and they
decided that copyrights, trademarks and patents are not governance
issues, so they should be reviewed by other groups within WSIS".

> So now I am in front of a strange (and certainly unwanted!) alliance
> between some people from the PCT caucus and the IP owners
> representatives, both asking WGIG not to discuss possible changes in the
> IP regime.

Please, do not misrepresent my position. What I'm saying is that we
should keep the internet governance issue as narrow as possible. If we
start including copyrights as an internet governance issue, how are we
going to resist later attempts to force internet governance bodies to
enact technical requirements to enforce copyright (or censorship, or...)
in the internet infrastructure?

This could cause a lot of harm!

	Fede

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From avri at acm.org  Fri Jan 28 16:20:56 2005
From: avri at acm.org (avri@acm.org)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue
Message-ID: <96F2764C-7148-11D9-8C82-000393CC2112@acm.org>

Hi,

I would like to explore the issue of Spam as an IG issue.

My instinct all along is that this isn't an issue that belongs to 
Internet governance, but since many, if not most, other people on the 
WGIG and the CS think it is, I want to explore my reasoning and find 
out where I am missing the point.

When I look at Spam, and I do get a lot of it, I see two problems a 
technical problem and a legal problem.

In terms of the technology, if I have the correct protection software 
and my filters are well written I don't ever see 90% of it unless I 
want to; it goes into a folder I glance through periodically to make 
sure the nets haven't caught something I actually want.  In this 
regard, as a user I don't need to differentiate between legitimate fund 
raisers, legitimate bulk business mail, pornography or whatever.  It is 
all junk I do not want and it is easy to take care of.

In terms of other technical issues, there is a growing natural barrier 
to Spam.  As service providers block prefixes that generate a lot of 
spam, allowing spam to leave a network becomes a technical problem for 
the service provider, how to provide egress filtering.  Again this can 
be solved by technical methods and the prefix blocking provides a 
natural incentive for those who allow spam to stop it locally.

Finally there are the bandwidth and intermediate storage burdens.  I 
tend to see these as market forces that determine the requirements 
either for ways to filter or ways to charge for legitimate bulk mail 
and to make settlements based on those charges.
And while the issue of settlements is something I think is an IG issue, 
I don't see how Spam can be differentiated from other bandwidth issues 
in this respect.

I mentioned that I see some of the Spam issue as a legal problem.  
There are things that are considered illegal by different 
jurisdictions; in some places pornography, in some places phishing, in 
some cases hate speech, and in some places political dissent (not sure 
I can always tell the difference between the last two).  In most cases 
these are matters for local jurisdiction and fodder for the push and 
pull of legality, morality and freedom of expression.  One issue here 
is that I don't see anything that is tractable for Internet Governance 
here; do we want IG making proclamations about what is legal expression 
or not?  Personally, I don't. The main issue I see is that these issues 
are not qualitatively different on the Internet then they are in any 
Media or in any other public means of communication.

So, as I said I do not understand how Spam is either open to IG or is 
an appropriate goal of IG.  But since I know many, if not most other 
people, think it is, I pose the question: why?

thanks
a.


From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Fri Jan 28 19:16:43 2005
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Strategic priorities for WGIG
In-Reply-To: <1106838347.3938.179.camel@croce.dyf.it>
References: <1106838347.3938.179.camel@croce.dyf.it>
Message-ID: <p06200726be1eb7b3d4e7@[10.254.241.32]>

Vittorio, thanks very much for keeping us in touch with what's going on.


>All,

[cut]

>
>ICANN is in the list by default, given what happened at WSIS-I.


What do you mean by ICANN?  Everything, or specific issues?

2 things about DNS and identifiers: The section of the IANA contract 
allowing US control over root zone editing and delegation needs to 
end. What solution is I don't know. We've talked about some kind of 
international instrument, but treaties and such take many years to 
develop and would not doubt be cumbersome.

Root server operators: they operate critical global infrastructure 
and should do so with more visibility in terms of operational 
processes and assurance about the tasks they perform.  I don't think 
anyone doubts their technical excellence, but operationally they 
haven't matured to reflect the importance of the tasks they perform 
(it's there fault for being successful :-)  I'm not suggesting 
regulation or any formal oversight, but that they make their own 
operational processes more visible and assured.

The rest of ICANN I think unimportant at the level of WSIS Tunis.

>Of course, you can imagine that my personal take is at WIPO and the
>intellectual property regime - and of course, private sector
>representatives are going to oppose this, and possibly to get the WGIG
>state that WIPO needs no reform, or that such reform is not as urgent as
>the ICANN one; so if we want to follow this way, we need a strong push
>from this plenary and from caucuses.

We have a role in ICANN, we do influence policy (I've done it, and I 
know many others on these lists have done much more).  Our IPR 
experts are hardly allowed in the room at WIPO (have their papers 
stolen!), developing nations' opinion seems to be ignored.  So I 
think it is critical we use WGIG to leverage openness in all 
intergovernmental ICT policy development processes (WIPO 
particularly.) All should apply by default the WSIS good policy 
governance principles, i.e. Don MacLean's WSIS test of being 
multilateral, transparent, democratic, and open to full participation 
by governments, the private sector and civil society. These 
principles came from WSIS phase one, are the words of governments, 
and private sector should find them hard to just ignore and dismiss.

Policy development processes and regimes must support principles of 
human rights, speech, privacy, etc. and a specific example to be 
concerned about that's been pushed as one WGIG should consider is the 
Council of Europe Convention on Cybercrime.  Given the good 
governance principles and need to support various rights principles, 
the CoE convention is not something that can be supported without 
amendment.

Some general principles we can use to leverage and fight some bad process.


>Anyway, I think that you should browse through the list of issues at
>http://www.wgig.org/docs/inventory-issues.html and try to pick the 5-7
>most important ones to you and your groups.
>
>You can give for granted that "root servers" and "names/IP
>administration" will be there; my personal choice for the rest would
>possibly be "intellectual property", "privacy/consumer rights", "spam",
>"interconnection costs" and perhaps "trade/liberalization".

Spam, yes.  I am not sure how WGIG can in anyway effect 
interconnection costs (recommend more money for IXs and regional 
backbones?)

Thanks,

Adam



>Caucus connectors should possibly raise the issue with their caucuses
>and prepare to submit statements to the WGIG by February 14, both on the
>priorities and on the content of the issue papers that will be released
>next week.
>
>It would be a great thing if there could be a collective civil society
>statement, but I imagine there's not enough time for it.
>
>Thanks,
>--
>vb.             [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
>http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...
>
>_______________________________________________
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>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
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From fheinz at vialibre.org.ar  Fri Jan 28 19:44:32 2005
From: fheinz at vialibre.org.ar (Federico Heinz)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue
In-Reply-To: <96F2764C-7148-11D9-8C82-000393CC2112@acm.org>
References: <96F2764C-7148-11D9-8C82-000393CC2112@acm.org>
Message-ID: <1106941472.31097.116.camel@michelle>

On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 11:20 -0500, avri@acm.org wrote:
> [...] I want to explore my reasoning and find out where I am missing
> the point.

Very well put. Spam is an electronic manifestation of a real-world
problem: unsolicited mail, scams, chain letters, and a lot of other
nuisances which may even include missionaries of some religion or other
ringing your bell right in the middle of siesta to talk about God. As a
real-world problem, it ought to be regulated, if at all, by real-world
governments.

	Fede

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From aabdallah at aat-ar.org  Sat Jan 29 00:19:53 2005
From: aabdallah at aat-ar.org (Angelica Abdallah)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] la cumbre y sus idiomas....
References: <s1e9acf9.027@gwia201.syr.edu> <1105889044.4493.42.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <002d01c50598$41fb8e20$1a4d37c8@abdallaa>

Este mensaje lo ten?a escrito hace tiempo...pero cualquier momento es
oportuno para compartirlo en esta lista...que es nada m?s y nada menos que
la lista PLENARIA DE LA CUMBRE MUNDIAL DE LA SOCIEDAD DE LA INFORMACI?N y
que deber?a ser una torre de Babel...pero no, curiosamente los maestros han
tenido un alumnado muy bueno, d?cil, obediente, sumiso....
************
Si bien doy el reply sobre un mensaje en particular, mi comentario va para
todos los latinoamericanos y aquellas personas que tienen como lengua
materna el espa?ol:
?c?mo pueden pretender defender posturas, como pueden
pretender participar en eventos que llevan la voz de una regi?n, como
pueden pretender llevar adelante alguna propuesta sino son capaces de
defender la lengua de su regi?n?

Se?ores, ya los sometieron. Hace dos a?os ya venimos pidiendo que la regla
sea escribir en la LENGUA MATERNA y luego si tienen tiempo, traduzcan a
alg?n otro idioma.... No lo hemos conseguido.  No existe el "idioma
ibre"  -en nustro caso, el "espa?ol libre"- ...aparentemente todos tienen un
s?lo idioma que aceptan sumisamente. Aun los m?s "contestatarios"...
debo decirles de que idioma hablo?

O ser? que tal vez estoy equivocada y no existe ning?n latinoamericano
participando en esta plenaria?
Posiblemente sea eso....seguramente estoy juzgando mal y la verdad es que
los latinoamericanos no tienen ninguna voz en este espacio. Seguramente por
eso no se ve ning?n mensaje en espa?ol hace varios meses.

Mi tiempo es muy valioso para perderlo tratando de entender a
quienes demuestran claramente que no les interesa para nada lo que yo tenga
que decir al respecto.

Simplemente sigo suscripta para ver si alguna vez sucede un milagro...

Lic. Angelica Abdallah
Desde Buenos Aires, Argentina, Latinoamerica...y por supuesto, en espa?ol.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beatriz Busaniche" <beatriz@maxmedia.com.ar>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PCT and WGIG


> El s?b, 15-01-2005 a las 23:53 -0500, Milton Mueller escribi?:
>
> >
> > I was simply pointing out to you that doctrinaire and factional
> > behavior is unlikely to create warm, fuzzy feelings among the people
> > making the selections. More rationally, concerns about the rigidity of
> > FS advocates might also raise doubts about their effectiveness on the
> > WGIG.
>



From mgurst at vcn.bc.ca  Sat Jan 29 02:35:47 2005
From: mgurst at vcn.bc.ca (Michael Gurstein)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue
In-Reply-To: <A0E19BF31237DE4A9B1FF1E122FAC13A07170368@ADMCLUSTER.njitdm.campus.njit.edu>
Message-ID: <000b01c505ab$40f59530$0202a8c0@michael78xnoln>

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Gurstein, Michael 
Sent: January 28, 2005 6:19 PM
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org; plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue


I think the issue of "spam" and "spam control" is highly interesting
particularly for what it reveals about the implicit frameworks
concerning overall Internet related issues.  
 
Spam is and can be approached from a technical and a legal/regulatory
perspective--that is, what are the centrally (top down) determined,
centrally (top down) implemented and centrally (top down) controlled
approaches to the problem of spam--what filters do ISP's put in place,
what laws do central authorities implement, what banishment do central
monitors impose and so on.  
 
An alternative approach to spam control, which in fact seems to be far
more powerful and certainly more cost-effective is a 'bottom-up"
strategy which has users either individually or more usefully
collaboratively, establishing mechanisms for identifying and diverting
spam messages as they are being received.
 
The way this seems to be working is that individuals identify messages
they consider spam, they set up a filter against that message which then
is shared with other people. As the network (on-line community) of those
sharing their filters grows, the grid of filtering against the spam
messaging grows apace and there is no particular need to have central
authorities to identify and track/attack spammers (an approach unlikely
to be effective in any case given the ease with which spammers can
change their addresses, the very low entry costs to spamming and so
on... (I saw a note pass by a few weeks ago which indicated that the
cost of identifying and running to ground a single spammer was in the
$40,000K US range, and this doesn't include the legal costs of
attempting to try and convict each individual spammer...).
 
However, recognizing that spam is a problem which is probably best
controlled through (bottom up) on-line communities and networks doesn't
seem to have filtered into those who treat the Internet with all its
transformational elements as simply another ground for regulatory
business as usual, or who see a way of making a buck by providing
technology (overkill) solutions for what are essentially
"social"/community problems.
 
To extend this further I'm seeing a similar "divide" in the Finance for
the Information Society area, where the bulk of the efforts seems to be
in finding ways of funding governments or (centralized) multilateral
agencies or NGO's to develop top down delivery programs rather than ways
of channeling funds and expertise to communities to help them develop
local solutions to access and related issues. 
 
In the end of course, there will never ever be enough funds for top down
centrally administered solutions -- the technology moves too fast -- and
in the end there is an endless number of potential (even socially
worthy) beneficiaries.  But to set up processes where communities are
enabled to achieve access and effective use based on their application
of local resources in relation to local needs (with of course, the
availability of some type of technical infrastructure--IMHO the
appropriate use of centralized capacity and resource commitment), that
should be do-able even within a context of limited donor interest and
financial committments.
 
Best,
 
Mike Gurstein
 
Michael Gurstein, Ph.D.
Clinical Professor: School of Management
Research Profesor: School of Computing and information Science
New Jersey Institute of Technology
Newark, NJ
 
(Interim) Chair: Community Informatics Research Network

-----Original Message----- 
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org on behalf of avri@acm.org 
Sent: Fri 28/01/2005 11:20 AM 
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org 
Cc: 
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue



Hi, 

I would like to explore the issue of Spam as an IG issue. 

My instinct all along is that this isn't an issue that belongs to 
Internet governance, but since many, if not most, other people on the 
WGIG and the CS think it is, I want to explore my reasoning and find 
out where I am missing the point. 

When I look at Spam, and I do get a lot of it, I see two problems a 
technical problem and a legal problem. 

In terms of the technology, if I have the correct protection software 
and my filters are well written I don't ever see 90% of it unless I 
want to; it goes into a folder I glance through periodically to make 
sure the nets haven't caught something I actually want.  In this 
regard, as a user I don't need to differentiate between legitimate fund 
raisers, legitimate bulk business mail, pornography or whatever.  It is 
all junk I do not want and it is easy to take care of. 

In terms of other technical issues, there is a growing natural barrier 
to Spam.  As service providers block prefixes that generate a lot of 
spam, allowing spam to leave a network becomes a technical problem for 
the service provider, how to provide egress filtering.  Again this can 
be solved by technical methods and the prefix blocking provides a 
natural incentive for those who allow spam to stop it locally. 

Finally there are the bandwidth and intermediate storage burdens.  I 
tend to see these as market forces that determine the requirements 
either for ways to filter or ways to charge for legitimate bulk mail 
and to make settlements based on those charges. 
And while the issue of settlements is something I think is an IG issue, 
I don't see how Spam can be differentiated from other bandwidth issues 
in this respect. 

I mentioned that I see some of the Spam issue as a legal problem.  
There are things that are considered illegal by different 
jurisdictions; in some places pornography, in some places phishing, in 
some cases hate speech, and in some places political dissent (not sure 
I can always tell the difference between the last two).  In most cases 
these are matters for local jurisdiction and fodder for the push and 
pull of legality, morality and freedom of expression.  One issue here 
is that I don't see anything that is tractable for Internet Governance 
here; do we want IG making proclamations about what is legal expression 
or not?  Personally, I don't. The main issue I see is that these issues 
are not qualitatively different on the Internet then they are in any 
Media or in any other public means of communication. 

So, as I said I do not understand how Spam is either open to IG or is 
an appropriate goal of IG.  But since I know many, if not most other 
people, think it is, I pose the question: why? 

thanks 
a. 

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From echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar  Sat Jan 29 03:20:52 2005
From: echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar (Enrique A. Chaparro)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : Strategic priorities for WGIG
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050128085515.024630e8@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>
References: <s1f92838.007@gwia201.syr.edu>
	<6.2.0.14.2.20050128085515.024630e8@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20050129032052.1303b176.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:05:22 +0000
Jonathan Cave <j.a.k.cave@warwick.ac.uk> wrote:

JC> I endorse the position of Vittorio and Milton Mueller regarding IPR.
JC> 
JC> For one thing, domain names are IP - they are encloseable or ownable
JC> bits of intangible property of substantial commercial (and other)
JC> value.
[...snip...]

Let's try to start from the beginning: What is Internet? A network
carrying (as reliably as possible) IP packets from a source address
to a destination address. Period. So, Internet governance should be
limited to the minimal set necessary to guarantee such reliable
transport.

In other words, ``The Internet, a loosely-organized international
collaboration of autonomous, interconnected networks, supports 
host-to-host communication through voluntary adherence to open
protocols and procedures defined by Internet Standards.'' (RFC-2026).

Consistently with that principle of minimal regulation, I believe
that certain aspects of the Internet may require some form of
`governance':
1) A technical regulations system (standards) conforming the `glue'
   that ensures the interoperability of the network as a whole;
2) An IP adresses assignment system operating in a consistent way
   along the IP packet-routing systems;
3) A traffic exchange system between carriers/ISPs providing to the
   end users a reasonable assurance that the trafic flows will get
   the specified levels of service; and
4) A system for assignment of protocol numbers and other miscellaneous
   identifiers.

In the current state of affairs, i.e., taking into consideration
the existence of a strong hierachical domain name system depending on
the root servers, other two aspects might require `governance':
5) The responsible and publicly accountable supervision of the DNS root
   servers set;
6) The management of the DNS root zone file, including its preparation
   and dissemination among the root servers, and the development and
   application of polices for the incorporation of new TLDs to the
   root zone.

A good number of the issues raised here belong to "real world"
governance, and even if I completely agree with the posture that
they deserve an open discussion with broad participation, I do
not agree with the idea that those issues belong to the field of
"Internet governance".

Getting deep into issues that do not belong to the strict field
of IG is prone to cause more harm than good. Let me take one of
your assertions as an example:
If domain names are "IP", as you hold: What _kind_ of IP are they?
Trademarks? Copyrights? Geographical denominations? Mask work? 
Because if they are trademarks, then they should have to be
assigned forever, and all the current domain registration procedures
would need to be changed. And what about names that some
national legislations admit to be appropriated as trademarks,
while other legislations don't (as common nouns)?

(BTW, the domain names/trademarks paradox is akin to other one:
do ccTLDs represent _country names_? :)

I would prefer the WGIG to concentrate its efforts in a narrower
scope:
- Reliability of the Internet
- Alternatives to the current hyerachical DNS system
- Should ICANN be split in several different functional bodies,
dealing with the distinct issues?
- Why does ICANN perform a dispute resolution function that is
beyond its charter and purpose? Should we have an UDRP at all?
And if so, should it be compulsory?
- Privacy issues, within the limited scope of the whois service
- Public participation in governance: methods and mechanisms
- Root servers: how could the RS network be enhanced?
- Why are gTLDs assigned so sparsely, when no technical reasons
exist?

Of course, i would like to see a chapter in WGIG's report with
regard to the perceived harms to efficient Internet governance.
So, it's perfectly legimate to reflect on how isses not belonging
to the field of Internet governance are affecting it, as patents
(standards are the glue of the Internet, patents are harmful for
standards, RAND policies are not enough).

Regards from the Far South,

Enrique

PS: of course, I personally have a lot of other issues in my agenda,
e.g. how "multistakeholder" and "public-private partnerships" belong
to the realm of marketroid fantasy... but I will refrain from making
this message a manifesto ;)
E.

-- 
``Izena duen guzia omen da.''
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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Sat Jan 29 09:05:55 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : Strategic priorities for WGIG
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Enrique A. Chaparro ha scritto:
> Let's try to start from the beginning: What is Internet? A network
> carrying (as reliably as possible) IP packets from a source address
> to a destination address. Period. So, Internet governance should be
> limited to the minimal set necessary to guarantee such reliable
> transport.

This point of view has already been exposed and discussed in the various 
forums (WSIS, UN ICT Task Force etc) in the last couple of years... its 
foremost supporters were the developing countries alliance that really 
wanted the debate to focus only on ICANN (and, partly, on how to transfer 
its functions to ITU), and the private sector, which feared changes in 
presently unregulated or favourably regulated markets (from IPR to 
interconnection and peering costs). In the end, this point of view was 
eventually rejected during the creation process for the WGIG.

As you know, Internet standards do not only deal with the transport layer, 
but also with the upper layers, up to services and applications. I don't 
think there is any reasonable way that you can consider the Web, e-mail 
and other services as not being part of the Internet, and thus, of 
Internet governance.
-- 
vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<------
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Vecchio sito, nuovo tobl?g...

From gurstein at ADM.NJIT.EDU  Fri Jan 28 18:13:06 2005
From: gurstein at ADM.NJIT.EDU (Gurstein, Michael)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue
Message-ID: <A0E19BF31237DE4A9B1FF1E122FAC13A0C75A70D@ADMCLUSTER.njitdm.campus.njit.edu>

 

I think the issue of "spam" and "spam control" is highly interesting
particularly for what it reveals about the implicit frameworks
concerning overall Internet related issues.  
 
Spam is and can be approached from a technical and a legal/regulatory
perspective--that is, what are the centrally (top down) determined,
centrally (top down) implemented and centrally (top down) controlled
approaches to the problem of spam--what filters do ISP's put in place,
what laws do central authorities implement, what banishment do central
monitors impose and so on.  
 
An alternative approach to spam control, which in fact seems to be far
more powerful and certainly more cost-effective is a 'bottom-up"
strategy which has users either individually or more usefully
collaboratively, establishing mechanisms for identifying and diverting
spam messages as they are being received.
 
The way this seems to be working is that individuals identify messages
they consider spam, they set up a filter against that message which then
is shared with other people. As the network (on-line community) of those
sharing their filters grows, the grid of filtering against the spam
messaging grows apace and there is no particular need to have central
authorities to identify and track/attack spammers (an approach unlikely
to be effective in any case given the ease with which spammers can
change their addresses, the very low entry costs to spamming and so
on... (I saw a note pass by a few weeks ago which indicated that the
cost of identifying and running to ground a single spammer was in the
$40,000K US range, and this doesn't include the legal costs of
attempting to try and convict each individual spammer...).
 
However, recognizing that spam is a problem which is probably best
controlled through (bottom up) on-line communities and networks doesn't
seem to have filtered into those who treat the Internet with all its
transformational elements as simply another ground for regulatory
business as usual, or who see a way of making a buck by providing
technology (overkill) solutions for what are essentially
"social"/community problems.
 
To extend this further I'm seeing a similar "divide" in the Finance for
the Information Society area, where the bulk of the efforts seems to be
in finding ways of funding governments or (centralized) multilateral
agencies or NGO's to develop top down delivery programs rather than ways
of channeling funds and expertise to communities to help them develop
local solutions to access and related issues. 
 
In the end of course, there will never ever be enough funds for top down
centrally administered solutions -- the technology moves too fast -- and
in the end there is an endless number of potential (even socially
worthy) beneficiaries.  But to set up processes where communities are
enabled to achieve access and effective use based on their application
of local resources in relation to local needs (with of course, the
availability of some type of technical infrastructure--IMHO the
appropriate use of centralized capacity and resource commitment), that
should be do-able even within a context of limited donor interest and
financial committments.
 
Best,
 
Mike Gurstein
 
Michael Gurstein, Ph.D.
Clinical Professor: School of Management
Research Profesor: School of Computing and information Science
New Jersey Institute of Technology
Newark, NJ
 
(Interim) Chair: Community Informatics Research Network

-----Original Message----- 
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org on behalf of avri@acm.org 
Sent: Fri 28/01/2005 11:20 AM 
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org 
Cc: 
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue



Hi, 

I would like to explore the issue of Spam as an IG issue. 

My instinct all along is that this isn't an issue that belongs to 
Internet governance, but since many, if not most, other people on the 
WGIG and the CS think it is, I want to explore my reasoning and find 
out where I am missing the point. 

When I look at Spam, and I do get a lot of it, I see two problems a 
technical problem and a legal problem. 

In terms of the technology, if I have the correct protection software 
and my filters are well written I don't ever see 90% of it unless I 
want to; it goes into a folder I glance through periodically to make 
sure the nets haven't caught something I actually want.  In this 
regard, as a user I don't need to differentiate between legitimate fund 
raisers, legitimate bulk business mail, pornography or whatever.  It is 
all junk I do not want and it is easy to take care of. 

In terms of other technical issues, there is a growing natural barrier 
to Spam.  As service providers block prefixes that generate a lot of 
spam, allowing spam to leave a network becomes a technical problem for 
the service provider, how to provide egress filtering.  Again this can 
be solved by technical methods and the prefix blocking provides a 
natural incentive for those who allow spam to stop it locally. 

Finally there are the bandwidth and intermediate storage burdens.  I 
tend to see these as market forces that determine the requirements 
either for ways to filter or ways to charge for legitimate bulk mail 
and to make settlements based on those charges. 
And while the issue of settlements is something I think is an IG issue, 
I don't see how Spam can be differentiated from other bandwidth issues 
in this respect. 

I mentioned that I see some of the Spam issue as a legal problem.  
There are things that are considered illegal by different 
jurisdictions; in some places pornography, in some places phishing, in 
some cases hate speech, and in some places political dissent (not sure 
I can always tell the difference between the last two).  In most cases 
these are matters for local jurisdiction and fodder for the push and 
pull of legality, morality and freedom of expression.  One issue here 
is that I don't see anything that is tractable for Internet Governance 
here; do we want IG making proclamations about what is legal expression 
or not?  Personally, I don't. The main issue I see is that these issues 
are not qualitatively different on the Internet then they are in any 
Media or in any other public means of communication. 

So, as I said I do not understand how Spam is either open to IG or is 
an appropriate goal of IG.  But since I know many, if not most other 
people, think it is, I pose the question: why? 

thanks 
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From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_Kleinw=E4chter?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Fwd: Comments made this week in Washington - not
 helpful
Message-ID: 
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Tahnks Veni for pointing to the Burns Statement in the Confirmation Hearing. Do you have the full text?
 
Burns is one of the key players in the Congress with regard to ICANN. He chairs the Senate Communication Subcommittee. He has outlined his general strateggy in early 2004 here: 
http://burns.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressReleases.Detail&PressRelease_id=1067
 
A lot of issue are very relevant to WGIG issues.
 
One point refers directly to ICANN
 
........
 
ICANN Reform 

STRENGTHENS AND SECURES THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE INTERNET 

Sen. Burns will continue to exercise vigilant oversight over ICANN following the most recent extension of the Memorandum of Understanding with the Commerce Department last September. Sen. Burns remains concerned at the organization's lack of accountability and due process, particularly given its core role in ensuring American national security. 

....
 
Veni,
 
as you have pointed out, Burns sees this as an issue of "American National Security". And the DoC with its readiness to terminate its oversight role over ICANN is itself overseen by the Congress. 
 
During the PTC 2005 Conference last week in Honolulu, when FCC Chair Powell announced his withdrawl, there was a lot of discussion around the need of a new telecommunications law, replacing the 1996 Act. Such a new act could probably include all relevant Internet related aspects, including VoIP, Spam and others. The interesting thing for me was, that the debate centered to a high degree on "security issues" in relation to the subject. Telecommunication Policy in the 21st Century is Security Policy, one panelist said. And another was afraid, that the new law will be drafted less by the FCC and more by the FBI.
 

Best regards
 
wolfgang
 

 
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Von: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org im Auftrag von veni markovski
Gesendet: Fr 28.01.2005 06:15
An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Cc: governance@lists.cpsr.org
Betreff: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Fwd: Comments made this week in Washington - not helpful



I think this should bring some soberness to the community.

The quote is from Warren's Washington Daily:

>Capitol Hill
>The Commerce Dept. should reconsider cutting loose ICANN, Sen. Burns
>(R-Mont.) said in remarks on the  Senate floor.  In a statement supporting
>confirmation of Carlos Gutierrez as Commerce secy., Burns said ICANN
>is  in danger of "mission creep" and has turned into a "mini-international
>organization."  ICANN's last ties to the DoC  are scheduled to expire in
>2006.  "The U.S. government has played a crucial and positive role in the
>creation of the Internet and in Internet governance, and I do not think
>that such a decision as this should be taken without thorough  review and
>understanding of its implications," Burns said.

One of the things I was thinking after last year's elections in the US was
that George W. Bush is fully capable of bringing back the root servers and
DNS under the Dept. of defence - after all the Internet was created for
military purposes. The statement of this senator is precisely in that
direction.

So, when I refer to some of you as to be cautious about challenging ICANN,
you have to be aware that I am not speaking for the sake of speaking.
I have some experience (unfortunately) of how road to Hell is paved with
good intentions. And why the actions of some of the Westerners here may
cause more harm to the Internet and its self-management, than anyone else
from a developing country can cause.

best,
veni

p.s. Oh, and by the way, do not try to say publicly that exactly because of
such statements, we need to move everything to the UN, ITU, or other
intragovernmental organization. Quite the contrary - if people try do that,
then FOR SURE the self-management is OVER.

v.

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From wdrake at ictsd.ch  Sat Jan 29 12:37:31 2005
From: wdrake at ictsd.ch (William Drake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : Strategic priorities for WGIG [clarification]
In-Reply-To: <41FB51F3.4050704@bertola.eu.org>
Message-ID: <MABBIHAAPBEEGMLBDEGOCEBDEEAA.wdrake@ictsd.ch>

Hi,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> Behalf Of Vittorio Bertola

> This point of view has already been exposed and discussed in the various
> forums (WSIS, UN ICT Task Force etc) in the last couple of years... its
> foremost supporters were the developing countries alliance that really
> wanted the debate to focus only on ICANN (and, partly, on how to transfer
> its functions to ITU), and the private sector, which feared changes in
> presently unregulated or favourably regulated markets (from IPR to
> interconnection and peering costs). In the end, this point of view was
> eventually rejected during the creation process for the WGIG.

It is true that this view has been rejected, but to clarify, there has not
been a developing country alliance in favor of focusing only on ICANN.  A
few countries, most notably China, have stated that this is their
overarching priority to which nothing else comes close, but far more
developing countries, most notably in Africa, have said that there is a need
to look at the broad topography of Internet governance public policy issues,
and that there is a need for some sort of new forum or mechanism that is
truly global that can do this.

Unfortunately, very few developing countries are further arguing that such a
body must be multistakeholder; they want a strictly intergovernmental
approach.  In contrast, the USA (believe it or not) maintains that any new
body would have to be multistakeholder.  Indeed, it is primarily because
they took this position (along with Japan, with the EU and Canada seconding
but not leading) that we got included in WGIG.  Most of the developing
country governments didn't want us in the room.

All of which is to suggest that the tactical dimensions are complex.  On
some substantive issues, CS is probably closer to the developing country
positions, on some we are closer to the industrialized government positions.
On the procedural aspects, things may line up differently.

Best,

Bill



From martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar  Sat Jan 29 15:09:34 2005
From: martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar (Martin Olivera)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] la cumbre y sus idiomas....
In-Reply-To: <002d01c50598$41fb8e20$1a4d37c8@abdallaa>
Message-ID: <20050129150934.48942.qmail@web52306.mail.yahoo.com>

<english below>

 --- Angelica Abdallah <aabdallah@aat-ar.org>
escribi?: 
> Este mensaje lo ten?a escrito hace tiempo...pero
> cualquier momento es
> oportuno para compartirlo en esta lista...que es
> nada m?s y nada menos que
> la lista PLENARIA DE LA CUMBRE MUNDIAL DE LA
> SOCIEDAD DE LA INFORMACI?N y

Lamento , Angelica, tener que darte esta respuesta.
Pero creo que la CUMBRE MUNDIAL DE LA SOCIEDAD DE LA
INFORMACION, nunca fue Mundial, ni de la Sociedad, la
Informacion brilla por su ausencia, del nombre solo
nos queda el concepto de Cumbre, solo para elegidos
VIP, para una elite de iluminati que pretenden decidir
sobre
lo que Intertnet significa para la Humandidad.
No lo lograran. Internet es una revolucion digital que
ninguna cumbre podra parar.

Yo cada tanto hago el intento de despertar a alguien
que est? leyendo aqu?, en esta lista plenaria
(plenaria?) de la sociedad civil (que es la sociedad
civil? no militar? no empresarial? no gubernamental?)
y a?n no se haya dado cuenta.

Por eso escribo solo en ingles, -tal vez- asi alguien
lee mis mensajes -en una botella-...

Pero creo que este no es el espacio de construccion de
la Sociedad de la Informaci?n, Angelica, no te
preocupes, la CMSI as? como est? planteada es un
fraude.

-------------------------------
Unfortunately, Angelica, I think this is the answer.

The WORLD SUBMIT ON THE INFORMATION SUBMIT, never was
from the World, nor from Society, Information is
frequently obscured, from its name we just keep
Submit, a submit just for selected VIPs, just for an
iluminati elite who think how to decide what Internet
means for the Mankind.

They won't do that. Internet is a digital revolution
that no submit can stop.

I try from time to time to wake somebody up in this
plenary list (plenary?) from civil society (what is
civil society? non-militar? non-companies?
non-governments?), somebody who does not yet know
this.

That is why I only write in english, in this way
-perhaps- someone will read my messages -in a
bottle-...

But I do not think this is any space for building
Information Society, Angelica, do not worry, WSIS as
is planned, is a fraud.

 

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From martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar  Sat Jan 29 15:18:48 2005
From: martin_olivera at yahoo.com.ar (Martin Olivera)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue
In-Reply-To: <A0E19BF31237DE4A9B1FF1E122FAC13A0C75A70D@ADMCLUSTER.njitdm.campus.njit.edu>
Message-ID: <20050129151848.97253.qmail@web52303.mail.yahoo.com>

I find the bottom-up technique against spam proposed
in this message from Michael, it is not only a good
idea, but the only that is not restricting my freedom
to receive spam if I want, and is based on trust
(community trust) instead of central regulation -a bad
solution approach who may lead us to policies of
privacy violation and content filtering-.

 --- "Gurstein, Michael" <gurstein@ADM.NJIT.EDU>
escribi?: 
>  
> 
> I think the issue of "spam" and "spam control" is
> highly interesting
> particularly for what it reveals about the implicit
> frameworks
> concerning overall Internet related issues.  
>  
> Spam is and can be approached from a technical and a
> legal/regulatory
> perspective--that is, what are the centrally (top
> down) determined,
> centrally (top down) implemented and centrally (top
> down) controlled
> approaches to the problem of spam--what filters do
> ISP's put in place,
> what laws do central authorities implement, what
> banishment do central
> monitors impose and so on.  
>  
> An alternative approach to spam control, which in
> fact seems to be far
> more powerful and certainly more cost-effective is a
> 'bottom-up"
> strategy which has users either individually or more
> usefully
> collaboratively, establishing mechanisms for
> identifying and diverting
> spam messages as they are being received.
>  
> The way this seems to be working is that individuals
> identify messages
> they consider spam, they set up a filter against
> that message which then
> is shared with other people. As the network (on-line
> community) of those
> sharing their filters grows, the grid of filtering
> against the spam
> messaging grows apace and there is no particular
> need to have central
> authorities to identify and track/attack spammers
> (an approach unlikely
> to be effective in any case given the ease with
> which spammers can
> change their addresses, the very low entry costs to
> spamming and so
> on... (I saw a note pass by a few weeks ago which
> indicated that the
> cost of identifying and running to ground a single
> spammer was in the
> $40,000K US range, and this doesn't include the
> legal costs of
> attempting to try and convict each individual
> spammer...).
>  
> However, recognizing that spam is a problem which is
> probably best
> controlled through (bottom up) on-line communities
> and networks doesn't
> seem to have filtered into those who treat the
> Internet with all its
> transformational elements as simply another ground
> for regulatory
> business as usual, or who see a way of making a buck
> by providing
> technology (overkill) solutions for what are
> essentially
> "social"/community problems.
>  
> To extend this further I'm seeing a similar "divide"
> in the Finance for
> the Information Society area, where the bulk of the
> efforts seems to be
> in finding ways of funding governments or
> (centralized) multilateral
> agencies or NGO's to develop top down delivery
> programs rather than ways
> of channeling funds and expertise to communities to
> help them develop
> local solutions to access and related issues. 
>  
> In the end of course, there will never ever be
> enough funds for top down
> centrally administered solutions -- the technology
> moves too fast -- and
> in the end there is an endless number of potential
> (even socially
> worthy) beneficiaries.  But to set up processes
> where communities are
> enabled to achieve access and effective use based on
> their application
> of local resources in relation to local needs (with
> of course, the
> availability of some type of technical
> infrastructure--IMHO the
> appropriate use of centralized capacity and resource
> commitment), that
> should be do-able even within a context of limited
> donor interest and
> financial committments.
>  
> Best,
>  
> Mike Gurstein
>  
> Michael Gurstein, Ph.D.
> Clinical Professor: School of Management
> Research Profesor: School of Computing and
> information Science
> New Jersey Institute of Technology
> Newark, NJ
>  
> (Interim) Chair: Community Informatics Research
> Network
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org on behalf of
> avri@acm.org 
> Sent: Fri 28/01/2005 11:20 AM 
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org 
> Cc: 
> Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue
> 
> 
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> I would like to explore the issue of Spam as an IG
> issue. 
> 
> My instinct all along is that this isn't an issue
> that belongs to 
> Internet governance, but since many, if not most,
> other people on the 
> WGIG and the CS think it is, I want to explore my
> reasoning and find 
> out where I am missing the point. 
> 
> When I look at Spam, and I do get a lot of it, I see
> two problems a 
> technical problem and a legal problem. 
> 
> In terms of the technology, if I have the correct
> protection software 
> and my filters are well written I don't ever see 90%
> of it unless I 
> want to; it goes into a folder I glance through
> periodically to make 
> sure the nets haven't caught something I actually
> want.  In this 
> regard, as a user I don't need to differentiate
> between legitimate fund 
> raisers, legitimate bulk business mail, pornography
> or whatever.  It is 
> all junk I do not want and it is easy to take care
> of. 
> 
> In terms of other technical issues, there is a
> growing natural barrier 
> to Spam.  As service providers block prefixes that
> generate a lot of 
> spam, allowing spam to leave a network becomes a
> technical problem for 
> the service provider, how to provide egress
> filtering.  Again this can 
> be solved by technical methods and the prefix
> blocking provides a 
> natural incentive for those who allow spam to stop
> it locally. 
> 
> Finally there are the bandwidth and intermediate
> storage burdens.  I 
> tend to see these as market forces that determine
> the requirements 
> either for ways to filter or ways to charge for
> legitimate bulk mail 
> and to make settlements based on those charges. 
> And while the issue of settlements is something I
> think is an IG issue, 
> I don't see how Spam can be differentiated from
> other bandwidth issues 
> in this respect. 
> 
> I mentioned that I see some of the Spam issue as a
> legal problem.  
> There are things that are considered illegal by
> different 
> jurisdictions; in some places pornography, in some
> places phishing, in 
> some cases hate speech, and in some places political
> dissent (not sure 
> I can always tell the difference between the last
> two).  In most cases 
> these are matters for local jurisdiction and fodder
> for the push and 
> pull of legality, morality and freedom of
> expression.  One issue here 
> is that I don't see anything that is tractable for
> Internet Governance 
> here; do we want IG making proclamations about what
> is legal expression 
> 
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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Sat Jan 29 15:42:17 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PrepCom 2bis - Wiki - en/fr/es
Message-ID: <p06210203be215aad4c73@[10.0.1.2]>

English:

A Wiki has been setup for those attending the coming prepcom in 
Geneva. If in fact you will be attending, please add your details and 
any information related to events, meetings, and other items that 
could be of interest to those attending the event.

Fran?ais: (oui, il y'a des gens que connais le fran?ais)

Un wiki a et? cre? por les persones que vont y all?e a le Prepcom a 
Geneve le mois prochaine. S'il vous plait fait de revisions. merci.

Espa?ol: (si, hay gente que participando en espa?ol)

Un Wiki ha sido creado para los que van a acudir y participar en el 
prepcom II que se celebr? en Ginebra el mes que viene. Si es que Ud. 
va a venir - le ruego que a?ade sus datos al wiki y lo actualize con 
cualquier datos relacionado a eventos, reuniones y otros temas que 
podran ser de inter?s para el cunjunto de la gente que acudir? a 
dicha reunion.

Abajo en ingles comento que ser?a bien tener paginas en diferente 
idiomas en el Wiki. Asi que lanzo la propuesta - si estar?a bien 
tenerlo, pues simplemete a?ade una p?gina nueva al wiki. asi de facil 
es.


http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/wiki/index.php/WSIS_Prepcom_II:


In terms of linguistic diversity:

- To address the ongoing issue of linguistic diversity, i would 
suggest that people take the initiative and create language specific 
sections in the wiki.

- If you write in  Spanish, French, Arabic, Russian or Chinese (which 
are the official UN languages), please feel free to create new wiki 
pages for your language group.










-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From acarvin at edc.org  Sat Jan 29 15:48:39 2005
From: acarvin at edc.org (Andy Carvin)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PrepCom 2bis - Wiki - en/fr/es
In-Reply-To: <p06210203be215aad4c73@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06210203be215aad4c73@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <41FBB057.4080101@edc.org>

One small correction. The URL is

http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/wiki/index.php/WSIS_Prepcom_II

There was a colon at the end of the URL and it caused the link to go to 
a blank page.

thanks,
andy

Robert Guerra wrote:
> English:
> 
> A Wiki has been setup for those attending the coming prepcom in Geneva. 
> If in fact you will be attending, please add your details and any 
> information related to events, meetings, and other items that could be 
> of interest to those attending the event.
> 
> Fran?ais: (oui, il y'a des gens que connais le fran?ais)
> 
> Un wiki a et? cre? por les persones que vont y all?e a le Prepcom a 
> Geneve le mois prochaine. S'il vous plait fait de revisions. merci.
> 
> Espa?ol: (si, hay gente que participando en espa?ol)
> 
> Un Wiki ha sido creado para los que van a acudir y participar en el 
> prepcom II que se celebr? en Ginebra el mes que viene. Si es que Ud. va 
> a venir - le ruego que a?ade sus datos al wiki y lo actualize con 
> cualquier datos relacionado a eventos, reuniones y otros temas que 
> podran ser de inter?s para el cunjunto de la gente que acudir? a dicha 
> reunion.
> 
> Abajo en ingles comento que ser?a bien tener paginas en diferente 
> idiomas en el Wiki. Asi que lanzo la propuesta - si estar?a bien 
> tenerlo, pues simplemete a?ade una p?gina nueva al wiki. asi de facil es.
> 
> 
> http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/wiki/index.php/WSIS_Prepcom_II:
> 
> 
> In terms of linguistic diversity:
> 
> - To address the ongoing issue of linguistic diversity, i would suggest 
> that people take the initiative and create language specific sections in 
> the wiki.
> 
> - If you write in  Spanish, French, Arabic, Russian or Chinese (which 
> are the official UN languages), please feel free to create new wiki 
> pages for your language group.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Sat Jan 29 15:57:08 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] DNS News, Vers une 'multigouvernance' de l'Internet?
Message-ID: <p06210205be21622d0e8d@[10.0.1.2]>

I just came across the following site that seems to be focuses on 
Internet Governance issues - and it's in French!

This means that there is indeed linguistic diversity....are there 
similar sites in spanish, arabic, chinese or russian? If so, please 
post...



>Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:12:07 +0100
>From: sz <soenke@kein.org>
>To: incom <incom-l@incommunicado.info>
>Subject: <incom> DNS News, Vers une 'multigouvernance' de l'Internet?
>
>[via <http://www.dnsnewspro.com>]
>
>------ DNS News n?81 - Janvier 2005 --------
>
>Edito : Vers une ? multigouvernance ? de l'Internet ?
>
>Cet ?ditorial vise a proposer une autre approche de ? la ? gouvernance
>de l'internent, approche qui a la r?flexion me parait non seulement
>correspondre a la r?alit?, mais aussi a la philosophie de l'Internet.
>Cette philosophie ? souterraine ? sait parfois se rappeler a l'attention
>de ceux qui oublient que l'Internet ne s'est pas construit par hasard
>tel qu'il est.
>
>Lorsque nous parlons de gouvernance de l'Internet, nous ?voquons
>g?n?ralement un magma d'interactions diverses entre des acteurs encore
>plus divers, en essayant de repr?senter les grandes lignes de ces
>interactions au sein de ? mod?les ? aux implications politiques non
>neutres. Ainsi du mod?le ? international ? a la mode am?ricaine, qui
>d?fend l'Inn en inqui?tant les gouvernements, et de son contrepoint ?
>intergouvernemental ? qui met en valeur l'UIT tout en suscitant quelque
>nervosit? chez nos amis d'outre-atlantique.
>
>Depuis l'?mergence de l'Internet, la notion de ? gouvernance ? est
>l'objet de controverses multiples li?es a des enjeux de pouvoir, mais
>aussi a la difficult? r?elle qu'il y a a d?finir cette fonction qui
>touche a tant d'univers diff?rents. Selon le point de vue depuis lequel
>on se place, selon les objectifs que l'on veut atteindre, ? la
>gouvernance ? et les moyens de la mettre en ouvre sont des plus varies,
>et le plus souvent incompatibles car se situant a des niveaux diff?rents.
>
>Peut-?tre cette approche n'est-elle pas la bonne. Peut-?tre
>devrions-nous cesser de chercher a r?sumer ? la ? gouvernance en une
>seule ?quation, peut-?tre n'existe-t-il pas de coordination possible au
>niveau ? global ?, c'est-a-dire non seulement plan?taire (aspects
>g?ographiques, politiques, culturels, linguistiques) mais aussi en
>termes de ? strates ? d'expertises couvrant les diff?rentes
>probl?matiques (juridiques, techniques, ?conomiques.).
>
>Si nous ne pouvons r?aliser la synth?se de cette diversit?, la logique
>conduit a chercher a identifier de ? petits ? agr?gats homog?nes qui
>pourront ensuite dialoguer les uns avec les autres. C'est ce qu'a essaye
>de faire l'ICANN a travers les ? constituencies ? du d?funt DNSO. C'est
>ce qu'elle essaie toujours de faire sur le papier, avec in fine un
>constat d'?chec traduit par des tendances a l'autoritarisme, au secret,
>a l'exclusion des ? agr?gats ? juges dangereux pour la r?alisation d'une
>? harmonie ? qui du moment qu'elle ne r?unit plus tout le monde, ne peut
>plus pr?tendre a ?tre ? globale ? et perd donc de son sens en regard des
>objectifs initiaux.
>
>La cons?quence de tout ceci est l'?clatement de ? la ? gouvernance une
>et indivisible, mais irr?aliste, en un certain nombre de ? p?les ?
>constitues autour de r?gions, de probl?matiques ou de zones
>d'expertises. L'ICANN cherche naturellement a s'organiser pour g?rer cet
>?clatement, mais elle n'a pour l'instant gu?re r?ussi a trouver une
>formule probante. Voulant trop embrasser, trop vite, elle ?treint mal.
>
>? La ? gouvernance n'existe pas, elle est l'assemblage h?t?roclite et
>h?t?rog?ne de divers cercles interconnectes ou sont discut?es et
>d?cid?es des r?solutions impliquant les parties prenantes de chaque
>cercle. Cette ? gouvernance multipolaire ?, ou ? multigouvernance ?, est
>profond?ment accord?e avec l'esprit de l'Internet et sa topologie
>d?centralis?e. C'est le seul mod?le qui puisse r?ellement fonctionner.
>
>Dans ce sch?ma, il est certain que les pr?tentions d'un des cercles a ?
>coordonner ? les autres atteignent vite leurs limites, car chacun a
>besoin de tous et nul ne peut ?tre exclu sans que le fonctionnement
>g?n?ral des autres en soit affecte.
>
>La principale difficult? est de relier entre eux ces cercles autonomes
>mais interd?pendants, de mani?re a ce que les informations circulent et
>que les d?cisions soient prises en coh?rence les unes avec les autres,
>en l'absence d'autorit? sup?rieure imposant ses d?cisions. Pour
>l'instant, cet obstacle a ?t? traite empiriquement, en recr?ant sur le
>papier cette autorit? sup?rieure, organisme charge de tout centraliser,
>de tout synth?tiser et de rendre des verdicts. Ce syst?me convient a une
>philosophie centralisatrice qui ne peut survivre tr?s longtemps sur le
>r?seau, comme le montrent les ? trous ? du dispositif ICANN, notamment
>en ce qui concerne ses relations avec les gestionnaires de serveurs
>racine, les RIRs et la plupart des registres d'extensions.
>
>La solution qui devrait ?merger au bout d'un certain temps est celle
>d'une multitude d'intersections entre les diff?rents cercles, et
>l'apparition d'une ? culture g?n?rale ? commune (notion assez voisine
>des sentiments de solidarit? et de s?curit? collectives).
>
>Nous sommes seulement au d?but de cette phase de maturation de la
>perception du fonctionnement intime de l'Internet, ce qui explique les
>heurts et l'apparition d'outils imparfaits, voues a ?tre remplaces un
>jour par des structures plus adapt?es aux besoins et a l'?tat de la
>conscience des acteurs. En attendant ce jour, il faut travailler a ne
>pas cr?er d'organisation fond?e sur un pr?suppos? erron? - l'existence
>d'une gouvernance homog?ne et ? plate ?. Le mod?le a d?couvrir soit ?tre
>aussi fluide, mouvant, profond et peut-?tre aussi incontr?lable que le
>r?seau. Il faudra sans doute encore du temps et maintes d?convenues
>avant de s'en convaincre compl?tement, car la nature humaine est de
>craindre ce qu'elle ne peut pas contr?ler, mais c'est aussi la l'essence
>de la libert?, qui est d'accepter que l'on ne puisse pas tout d?terminer
>par avance.
>
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From herve at info.unicaen.fr  Sat Jan 29 15:58:46 2005
From: herve at info.unicaen.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Herv=E9_Le_Crosnier?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : building consensus
Message-ID: <41FBB2B6.7030709@info.unicaen.fr>


	Good afternoon (France time)

	The question  of place of IPR in the priorities
	of the WGIG seems to be :
	- an important one (positions try really to
	  exprim problems and visions of the place of
	  "internet-societies n?gociations" vs "global-societies
	  n?gociations")

	- a confusing one (IPR are at the fondamentals
	  of an "information society", as ground properties
	  are fondamentals of the agrarian societies and
	  production means properties for the industrial one)

	So we have to build a new kind of consensus on this question.

	I feel the two boundaries of this consensus are :
	
	- to let other civil society groups acting on the global
	  IPR problem  enough room for their activities

	- to integrate IPR in our conception of the governance
	  of the "internet-society" (not all society as always
	  try to explain Fede)

	If we have to build a consensus that can match at the same
	time the two sides of the IPR problem and take place between
	the two boundaries, I think it's a good way to work
	together.

	So i ask one question, to clarify the way to such a kind
	of consensus, to those who think that IPR is top-ranking
	piorities for the WGIG :

	- What exactly are the IPR problem you think are in the
	scope of the WGIG ?

	With that new information and collective reflexion, I
	think we will find a real consensus.

	Don't you ?

Herv? Le Crosnier



From pimienta at funredes.org  Sat Jan 29 16:59:51 2005
From: pimienta at funredes.org (Daniel Pimienta)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : building consensus
In-Reply-To: <41FBB2B6.7030709@info.unicaen.fr>
References: <41FBB2B6.7030709@info.unicaen.fr>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050129115946.02d06b38@funredes.org>

For the first time in so many years I can perceive a deep difference
of views with Herv?, I think I shall express it :-), and still
more because it is related, in my opinion, to one of the deepest issue
in relation to the transformation of our societies: the questions of the
public domain of knowledge, the time protection and scope of patents,
the management of "droit d'auteur" (e.g. if they should survive the
author),... many connex issues usually named by simplicity (and
confusion making) under "IPR".

Herv?, I suspect that our difference maybe more tactical than strategical,
but I need to know.

>         - to integrate IPR in our conception of the governance
>           of the "internet-society" (not all society...
I am extremely reluctant to make that dichotomy between "Internet-society"
and "society". This is not only reductionist but prone to come back
to a pure technological view of the issues wereas they are essentially 
"societal".

The issues we are discussing under the name of  "Information Society"
(another buzzword which covers complex realities for which other words
could be preferred) is not the "Internet society", it is really the
transformation of our societies into networked societies and how ICT
facilitates and influences this transformation, and what provisions we
should make to channel the transformation into the direction we aim
(more democratic, participative, just, respectful of rights,
reflecting of the cultural diversity, etc).

In more specific words, if Internet governance issues may related directly
to the management of Internet resources, this does need to be considered
within the frame of the society we aim to shape, not as a technological
question abstracted from the societal context.

>IPR is not top on the agenda of the WGIG, because it was not top on the
>whole WSIS (for best and worse)
For bad.
Civil society must work to make it a top issues in spite of the
obvious conservative force which try to prevent it. One way could be to avoid
all or nothing approaches in pro of a "negociate parameters" approximation.

As for SPAM, it is an important issue and should be included, which does not
mean that there is no room for bottom-up approaches for its handling 
(interesting
thoughts Michael, indeed).




From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Sat Jan 29 16:57:37 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS funds from Tunisia ?
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050129115946.02d06b38@funredes.org>
References: <41FBB2B6.7030709@info.unicaen.fr>
 <6.2.0.14.2.20050129115946.02d06b38@funredes.org>
Message-ID: <p0621020cbe2170cd7be3@[10.0.1.2]>

http://www.privaterra.org/activities/wsis/blog/cs_funds_from_tunisia__.html

Going through the list of documents related to the Prepcom II next 
month , I thought it would be useful to read the ITU Chairman's 
report on the activities leading up to the event.

It's a pretty routine document with a list of what's been done since 
the summit as well as the "Financial situation". I was struck by one 
of the line items:

Page 8 - Tunisia (commitment for fellowships for civil society 
participation in the Summit) 400 000 CHF

400 000 CHF is a nice some of money - but what are the details? Many 
people and organizations have asked the Tunisians for details, 
details that can be made public for all to know - but that hasn't 
come.

So indeed if the amount is for Civil Society, then let's get some 
answers. Is it for Tunisian GONGOS, human rights ngos, or for CS 
itself to decide what to do with? I don't know - but it's something 
we need to find out.

Thus, i'd like to flag the issue now in he hope we can get a reply 
before the prepcom. if that doesn't happen, i'll suggest a call be 
made to national governments to raise the issue with the Tunisians so 
that they can - clarify - the exact details..
-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From herve at info.unicaen.fr  Sat Jan 29 17:59:10 2005
From: herve at info.unicaen.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Herv=E9_Le_Crosnier?=)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : building consensus
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050129115946.02d06b38@funredes.org>
References: <41FBB2B6.7030709@info.unicaen.fr> <6.2.0.14.2.20050129115946.02d06b38@funredes.org>
Message-ID: <41FBCEEE.3070204@info.unicaen.fr>

Daniel Pimienta wrote:
> For the first time in so many years I can perceive a deep difference
> of views with Herv?, I think I shall express it :-), and still
> more because it is related, in my opinion, to one of the deepest issue
> in relation to the transformation of our societies: the questions of the
> public domain of knowledge, the time protection and scope of patents,
> the management of "droit d'auteur" (e.g. if they should survive the
> author),... many connex issues usually named by simplicity (and
> confusion making) under "IPR".
> 
> Herv?, I suspect that our difference maybe more tactical than strategical,
> but I need to know.

	Well Daniel,

	First, and I think it's true for many people whose
	english is not their first language, i don't think
	we disagree on this. What I try to explain is somethng
	else, though my words are not as fluent in english
	as they are in french...

> 
>>         - to integrate IPR in our conception of the governance
>>           of the "internet-society" (not all society...
> 
> I am extremely reluctant to make that dichotomy between "Internet-society"
> and "society". This is not only reductionist but prone to come back
> to a pure technological view of the issues wereas they are essentially 
> "societal".
> 

	Yesterday, Milton say that's not a problem for the WGIG if
	no one know about crop licensing and IPR... I try to follow
	on that way : farmers all around the world are acting
	for common goods of seeds information... And the "internet"
	is not their channel.

	So what are the specific things of the IPR paradigm that are
	in the field of the WGIG. My question is clear, and if the
	answer is also clear, I suppose we will find consensus.

	The WGIG is about internet, and not about the public good
	of knowledge. So what I fear is that decisions concerning
	internet will become decision that lowered the building
	of a public good of knowledge. But if we can specify what
	aspects of IPR are to be discussed in the scope of WGIG...


> 
> In more specific words, if Internet governance issues may related directly
> to the management of Internet resources, this does need to be considered
> within the frame of the society we aim to shape, not as a technological
> question abstracted from the societal context.
> 
>> IPR is not top on the agenda of the WGIG, because it was not top on the
>> whole WSIS (for best and worse)
> 
> For bad.
> Civil society must work to make it a top issues in spite of the
> obvious conservative force which try to prevent it. One way could be to 
> avoid
> all or nothing approaches in pro of a "negociate parameters" approximation.

	First we have to be clear about what civil society want to
	write on the agenda of WGIG concerning IPR.

	As far as my experience in that domain go, it's always the "P"
	world that dominate, not the "I" one

	But civil society is challenging this problem, for example
	through the "Geneva declaration" on WIPO, which ask this
	multilateral organism to consider itself as a represnetative
	of the whole world society, and not only of the "proprietary"
	way.

	Immaterial ownership is an oxymoron. It's only a contract
	between society and creators or inventors which are built
	to expand the ability of the whole society to create and
	innove. But now, all around us, force of the "P" world want
	to change that equilibrium, to give all power to "ownership".

	I fear that IPR without qualification, without telling
	what specific IPR problems, and on what direction (with
	what guidelines and key positions...) is only a way to expand
	"properties" at stake of the world capacity to transmit
	knowledge, culture and emotion.

	And I agree Daniel, the internet is the model for this
	kind of expansion, i praise. So I don't want it to
	become a tool for limiting knowledge transfert. And
	moreover, knowledge transfert from richs countries,
	with IPR laws formatted for their interests, to poorer
	countries that have only to accept IPR laws as they
	come. That's the real problem of the TRIPS (IPR treaty
	under the WTO).

	So I try to see if we, as civil society constituants,
	can build a consensus by ensuring each other of what
	do we really talk about when we say "IPR". And more
	closely in that debate (which is different of the
	problem of IPR for education, as only one example) :
	what specific IPR problem fall under the scope of
	WGIG, and what can be the Civil society position on
	theses.

Herv? Le Crosnier


From vb at bertola.eu.org  Sat Jan 29 18:30:32 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue
In-Reply-To: <20050129151848.97253.qmail@web52303.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050129151848.97253.qmail@web52303.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41FBD648.6090300@bertola.eu.org>

Martin Olivera ha scritto:
> I find the bottom-up technique against spam proposed
> in this message from Michael, it is not only a good
> idea, but the only that is not restricting my freedom
> to receive spam if I want, and is based on trust
> (community trust) instead of central regulation -a bad
> solution approach who may lead us to policies of
> privacy violation and content filtering-.

I do not have a final idea on spam or on how to best combat it. However, I 
want to report a story that was told at the Geneva meeting in September, 
by a representative of the government of a small developing country, and 
that made me think a lot about the hidden risks in the bottom-up approach.

He told that, months ago, an unknown person from a developed country 
cracked the main mail servers of their national telecom ISP, which acts 
more or less in a monopoly regime, so that most Internet users of the 
country use it for their e-mail. After cracking it (or using some 
misconfiguration... not sure they could tell the difference), he used the 
servers to send spam.

As a result, the servers were inserted in all main anti-spam blacklists, 
and so... 90% of the country stopped being able to exchange emails with 
the rest of the world, as they were being marked as spam and thus filtered 
out or totally refused.

It took some time for these people to understand what was happening... and 
even when they knew it, they didn't know how to get their IPs out of the 
blacklists, and according to the tale some maintainers wouldn't even trust 
their word so to remove them from the blacklist. In the end, they were cut 
out of the Internet, for what regards email, for many days.

So, this person said, who gave the right to some unknown engineer on the 
other side of the world to ban an entire country from sending e-mails, 
without even warning them or giving them a chance to discuss the matter, 
for a fault that wasn't even theirs?

I am sure that a lot of this can be managed in terms of building awareness 
among network operators, including those in developing countries. Still, 
in some cases the bottom-up approach has the risk that the less skilled 
and informed users will not be able to understand it or to cope properly 
with it, and that there is no due procedure or warranty against errors or 
misjudgements by the individuals running the system (yes, if they make too 
many errors people will stop using their service, but if errors are just 
"a few"? and still, a few errors might have terrible consequences, as we 
are talking about effectively intercepting and stopping private 
correspondence).

So perhaps the bottom-up approach should be refined with, for example, 
better procedural warranties? Just an idea.
-- 
vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<------
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Vecchio sito, nuovo tobl?g...

From airetg at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 19:05:52 2005
From: airetg at gmail.com (Yulia Timofeeva)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] DNS News, Vers une 'multigouvernance' de l'Internet?
In-Reply-To: <p06210205be21622d0e8d@10.0.1.2>
References: <p06210205be21622d0e8d@10.0.1.2>
Message-ID: <1f72887f050129110514bcc170@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:57:08 -0500, Robert Guerra
<rguerra@lists.privaterra.org> wrote:
> I just came across the following site that seems to be focuses on
> Internet Governance issues - and it's in French!
> 
> This means that there is indeed linguistic diversity....are there
> similar sites in spanish, arabic, chinese or russian? If so, please
> post...
> 

I just searched for Internet governance sites in Russian (for 5
minutes only but still?). The only site on Internet governance that
does not deal with Russian Internet-related legislation provides a
collection of links to the English-language sites, with the exception
of one that deals with Russian legislatoin
(http://www.admin.spb.ru/win/regulation/)

So I wouldn't confirm linguistic diversity, at least not in case of Russia

Yulia

From avri at acm.org  Sat Jan 29 19:10:32 2005
From: avri at acm.org (avri@acm.org)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue
In-Reply-To: <41FBD648.6090300@bertola.eu.org>
References: <20050129151848.97253.qmail@web52303.mail.yahoo.com> <41FBD648.6090300@bertola.eu.org>
Message-ID: <727FAB9A-7229-11D9-8C82-000393CC2112@acm.org>

Hi Vittorio,

This may point to a problem with the bottom up approach that governance 
can cure, but I am not sure how. I see it as possibly pointing to 
problems with configuration (the lack of egress filtering), security (a 
technical issue), or with having a single monopoly service provider (a 
national issue).  I also see it as a reason for better mailers (a 
technical solution) or better email standards - still not governance 
issues.

I see no reason why a transit provider or provider on the receiving end 
does not have the right to filter traffic they find unacceptable and I 
don't think that regulations barring someone from taking such defensive 
action is something to wish for.

While I can understand that it was an unfortunate experience, I don't 
see it as a cause for governance.  I go back to an indirect quote from 
some jurist of the past, hard situations make for bad law.  I expect 
that the small government service provider learned a lesson and closed 
the hole.  And I expect, or hope, that legitimate user email was cached 
in the mailers waiting for the transit to be allowed.

avri



On 29 jan 2005, at 13.30, Vittorio Bertola wrote:

> Martin Olivera ha scritto:
>> I find the bottom-up technique against spam proposed
>> in this message from Michael, it is not only a good
>> idea, but the only that is not restricting my freedom
>> to receive spam if I want, and is based on trust
>> (community trust) instead of central regulation -a bad
>> solution approach who may lead us to policies of
>> privacy violation and content filtering-.
>
> I do not have a final idea on spam or on how to best combat it. 
> However, I want to report a story that was told at the Geneva meeting 
> in September, by a representative of the government of a small 
> developing country, and that made me think a lot about the hidden 
> risks in the bottom-up approach.
>
> He told that, months ago, an unknown person from a developed country 
> cracked the main mail servers of their national telecom ISP, which 
> acts more or less in a monopoly regime, so that most Internet users of 
> the country use it for their e-mail. After cracking it (or using some 
> misconfiguration... not sure they could tell the difference), he used 
> the servers to send spam.
>
> As a result, the servers were inserted in all main anti-spam 
> blacklists, and so... 90% of the country stopped being able to 
> exchange emails with the rest of the world, as they were being marked 
> as spam and thus filtered out or totally refused.
>
> It took some time for these people to understand what was happening... 
> and even when they knew it, they didn't know how to get their IPs out 
> of the blacklists, and according to the tale some maintainers wouldn't 
> even trust their word so to remove them from the blacklist. In the 
> end, they were cut out of the Internet, for what regards email, for 
> many days.
>
> So, this person said, who gave the right to some unknown engineer on 
> the other side of the world to ban an entire country from sending 
> e-mails, without even warning them or giving them a chance to discuss 
> the matter, for a fault that wasn't even theirs?
>
> I am sure that a lot of this can be managed in terms of building 
> awareness among network operators, including those in developing 
> countries. Still, in some cases the bottom-up approach has the risk 
> that the less skilled and informed users will not be able to 
> understand it or to cope properly with it, and that there is no due 
> procedure or warranty against errors or misjudgements by the 
> individuals running the system (yes, if they make too many errors 
> people will stop using their service, but if errors are just "a few"? 
> and still, a few errors might have terrible consequences, as we are 
> talking about effectively intercepting and stopping private 
> correspondence).
>
> So perhaps the bottom-up approach should be refined with, for example, 
> better procedural warranties? Just an idea.
> -- 
> vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] 
> bertola.eu.org]<------
> http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Vecchio sito, nuovo tobl?g...
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From marindaw at refer.sn  Sat Jan 29 19:46:46 2005
From: marindaw at refer.sn (Marie N'Daw)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PrepCom 2bis - Wiki - en/fr/es
References: <p06210203be215aad4c73@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <001601c5063b$46ee8100$e5e132cf@user>

Bonjour ,
Please peut - on avoir une id?e de ce Wiki ?
Merci
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Guerra" <rguerra@lists.privaterra.org>
To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>
Cc: <bureau@wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 3:42 PM
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] PrepCom 2bis - Wiki - en/fr/es


> English:
>
> A Wiki has been setup for those attending the coming prepcom in
> Geneva. If in fact you will be attending, please add your details and
> any information related to events, meetings, and other items that
> could be of interest to those attending the event.
>
> Fran?ais: (oui, il y'a des gens que connais le fran?ais)
>
> Un wiki a et? cre? por les persones que vont y all?e a le Prepcom a
> Geneve le mois prochaine. S'il vous plait fait de revisions. merci.
>
> Espa?ol: (si, hay gente que participando en espa?ol)
>
> Un Wiki ha sido creado para los que van a acudir y participar en el
> prepcom II que se celebr? en Ginebra el mes que viene. Si es que Ud.
> va a venir - le ruego que a?ade sus datos al wiki y lo actualize con
> cualquier datos relacionado a eventos, reuniones y otros temas que
> podran ser de inter?s para el cunjunto de la gente que acudir? a
> dicha reunion.
>
> Abajo en ingles comento que ser?a bien tener paginas en diferente
> idiomas en el Wiki. Asi que lanzo la propuesta - si estar?a bien
> tenerlo, pues simplemete a?ade una p?gina nueva al wiki. asi de facil
> es.
>
>
> http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/wiki/index.php/WSIS_Prepcom_II:
>
>
> In terms of linguistic diversity:
>
> - To address the ongoing issue of linguistic diversity, i would
> suggest that people take the initiative and create language specific
> sections in the wiki.
>
> - If you write in  Spanish, French, Arabic, Russian or Chinese (which
> are the official UN languages), please feel free to create new wiki
> pages for your language group.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From airetg at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 18:44:04 2005
From: airetg at gmail.com (Yulia Timofeeva)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue
In-Reply-To: <20050129151848.97253.qmail@web52303.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <A0E19BF31237DE4A9B1FF1E122FAC13A0C75A70D@ADMCLUSTER.njitdm.campus.njit.edu>
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:18:48 -0300 (ART), Martin Olivera
<martin_olivera@yahoo.com.ar> wrote:
> I find the bottom-up technique against spam proposed
> in this message from Michael, it is not only a good
> idea, but the only that is not restricting my freedom
> to receive spam if I want, and is based on trust
> (community trust) instead of central regulation -a bad
> solution approach who may lead us to policies of
> privacy violation and content filtering-.
> 

It's true and it's another argument against making spam an internet
governance issue, isn't it? There were at least 5 persons who put spam
on their priority list. I am wondering if we'll hear any argument from
them.

From rbloem at ngocongo.org  Sat Jan 29 21:10:14 2005
From: rbloem at ngocongo.org (Renata Bloem)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS funds from Tunisia ?
In-Reply-To: <p0621020cbe2170cd7be3@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <41E57ECE00162EC4@mail6.bluewin.ch> (added by postmaster@bluewin.ch)

Robert,

We have tried to get clarification on this. So far it seems that it will be
held for CS participation at the Summit, reason given of apparent difficulty
to get funds out of the country. We will push for more details and criteria.
Renata



Renate Bloem,President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
11, Avenue de la Paix,CH-1202 Geneva
Tel: +41 22 301 1000,Fax: +41 22 301 2000
E-mail: rbloem@ngocongo.org Website: www.ngocongo.org

 





-----Message d'origine-----
De?: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] De la part
de Robert Guerra
Envoy??: samedi, 29. janvier 2005 17:58
??: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Objet?: [WSIS CS-Plenary] CS funds from Tunisia ?

http://www.privaterra.org/activities/wsis/blog/cs_funds_from_tunisia__.html

Going through the list of documents related to the Prepcom II next 
month , I thought it would be useful to read the ITU Chairman's 
report on the activities leading up to the event.

It's a pretty routine document with a list of what's been done since 
the summit as well as the "Financial situation". I was struck by one 
of the line items:

Page 8 - Tunisia (commitment for fellowships for civil society 
participation in the Summit) 400 000 CHF

400 000 CHF is a nice some of money - but what are the details? Many 
people and organizations have asked the Tunisians for details, 
details that can be made public for all to know - but that hasn't 
come.

So indeed if the amount is for Civil Society, then let's get some 
answers. Is it for Tunisian GONGOS, human rights ngos, or for CS 
itself to decide what to do with? I don't know - but it's something 
we need to find out.

Thus, i'd like to flag the issue now in he hope we can get a reply 
before the prepcom. if that doesn't happen, i'll suggest a call be 
made to national governments to raise the issue with the Tunisians so 
that they can - clarify - the exact details..
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From fheinz at vialibre.org.ar  Sun Jan 30 01:08:12 2005
From: fheinz at vialibre.org.ar (Federico Heinz)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:23 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : building consensus
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050129115946.02d06b38@funredes.org>
References: <41FBB2B6.7030709@info.unicaen.fr>
	 <6.2.0.14.2.20050129115946.02d06b38@funredes.org>
Message-ID: <1107047292.2782.24.camel@michelle>

For the first time in so many years I can perceive a deep coincidence of
views with Daniel, I think I shall express it :-)

I think we agree in essence, the difference is in a superficial
misunderstanding.

On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 11:59 -0500, Daniel Pimienta wrote:
> The issues we are discussing under the name of  "Information Society"
> [...] is not the "Internet society", it is really the
> transformation of our societies into networked societies [...]
> In more specific words, if Internet governance issues may related directly
> to the management of Internet resources, this does need to be considered
> within the frame of the society we aim to shape, not as a technological
> question abstracted from the societal context.

I fully agree with you that patents, copyright, trademarks, crime and
such things are important for "Information Society Governance" (whatever
"Information Society" may mean at this time of day). This certainly
means that WSIS should look at each of these issues long and deep, for
they affect the shape of society.

However, WGIG is the working group on *internet* governance, not
"information society" governance. It's not the WGISG, but the WGIG,
which must find ways to make this awesome tool, the internet, available
and useful for people to build around it the information societies they
want, not one designed centrally by a group of experts with no mandate
to do so.

If WGIG is to say anything about such issues, it ought to be something
along the lines of "these issues that are outside the scope of internet
governance, and fall under the authority of local governments."

> >IPR [...] was not top on the whole WSIS (for best and worse)
> For bad.

I agree again. I don't think anybody is arguing against that. The
question here is not whether issue X should be on WSIS' agenda, but
whether it ought to be in the WGIG's necessarily much narrower agenda
(if it weren't supposed to be much narrower... why would we want other
caucuses at all?).

> As for SPAM, it is an important issue and should be included

Would you care to tell us why you think it should be included, as Avri
asked?

While we're at it, wouldn't it be a great idea to ask not just for a
list of issues for WGIG to address, but also for each item's
justification for being there in the first place?

	Fede
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From echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar  Sun Jan 30 04:24:44 2005
From: echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar (Enrique A. Chaparro)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : Strategic priorities for WGIG
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	<41FB51F3.4050704@bertola.eu.org>
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:05:55 +0100
Vittorio Bertola <vb@bertola.eu.org> wrote:

VB> Enrique A. Chaparro ha scritto:
VB> > Let's try to start from the beginning: What is Internet? A network
VB> > carrying (as reliably as possible) IP packets from a source address
VB> > to a destination address. Period. So, Internet governance should be
VB> > limited to the minimal set necessary to guarantee such reliable
VB> > transport.
VB> 
VB> This point of view has already been exposed and discussed in the
VB> various forums (WSIS, UN ICT Task Force etc) in the last couple of
VB> years... its foremost supporters were the developing countries
VB> alliance that really wanted the debate to focus only on ICANN (and,
VB> partly, on how to transfer its functions to ITU), and the private
VB> sector, which feared changes in presently unregulated or favourably
VB> regulated markets (from IPR to interconnection and peering costs). In
VB> the end, this point of view was eventually rejected during the
VB> creation process for the WGIG.

If that is the majority position within the WGIG, I see no point in
trying to explain my viewpoints about the difference between ``Internet
issues'' and ``Internet *governance* issues. By the way, I believe that
ICANN as a governance body is a fiasco and has not lived up to our
 expectations (but those of the corporate world), by not doing what
it was required to do, and by doing what it has not been requested to.

There could be, however, evils worse than ICANN:
- An Internet `governed' by the governments; or
- An Internet `governance structure' managed by multilateral (inter-
  governmental or `public-private' entities) as ITU.

If we fall into any of those two options, we should add inefficiency
to the current evils. And censorship in a non negligible number of
cases, as recent history shows (China, Tunis, Vietnam, Saudi Arabia...).

It could be even worse. The `internet governance structure' could
be a `public-private partnership'. Whatever that recent fashionable
buzzword is intended to mean, in `real life' a PPP implies a transfer
of governmental powers and duties into private hands, without imposing
the requirements of due process, public oversight and accountability
which are fundamental for democratic governments.

It does not matter if a governing body is public, private or
mixed under any form. Its roles must be carefully defined. And strict
constraints must be put in place to avoid that such governing body
(as the ICANN case shows) be `hijacked' by those which the body is
supposed to oversee, or by others finding that body useful to foster
the agenda of private sectorial interests.

Government is power. And power is power wherever it is used,
suffered and resisted. Assuming that the `internet' prefix somehow
moderates or cancels the risks and dangers of such power is pure
delusion. The power to manage the `governable' aspects of the Internet
must be limited, constrained and subject to public enquiry. The Internet
governance must follow the same principles that rule the democratic
states, where precise boundaries are established to avoid any abuse of
governmental powers.

The government must be structured so that power is distributed,
not concentrated; that regulated tensions are built so that diverging
interests control each other. Such structure must guarantee that no
actor can get a power quota broader than what legitimately belongs to
that sector.

Internet governance bodies must be subject to oversight and review.
They must be open to everyone concerned by the issues being managed.
They must be built on the universal community of Internet users. And,
of course, must be responsible and accountable before such community.
To accomplish these goals, there shouldn't be more than one (and just
one) level of representation between that community and the people
entrusted with the governance powers.

 
VB> As you know, Internet standards do not only deal with the transport
VB> layer, but also with the upper layers, up to services and
VB> applications. I don't think there is any reasonable way that you can
VB> consider the Web, e-mail and other services as not being part of the
VB> Internet, and thus, of Internet governance.

At first sight, my slogan "Internet is intended to reliably move IP
packets" may sound as an understatement, and the RFC excerpt I quoted
is perhaps more accurate. In any case, for a more in-deep discussion,
I would appreciate your comments on my statements about ''issues in
need of some form of governance'' as they appear in the third and
fourth paragraphs of my message. However, if both of us agree on a
mail protocol distinct from SMTP, not using already allocated port
and protocol numbers (let's say, BCUMTP, the Bertola-Chaparro
Unreliable Mail Transfer Protocol, using port 54321) we can still
use the Internet without breaking any standards. So, in fact, the
issue seems to require a little more explanation:
- Internet standards are rules, that can be expressed in a declarative
  language.
- Such rules can be expressed as: IF (your_role_in_the_Internet)
  YOU MUST (do_something), e.g., if your host's port 25 is open,
  you must accept and reply an incoming HELO
Sorry for the oversimplification, but I'm sure you get the idea.
Do you think that governance should extend to the BCUMTP? And if
so, why?

OTOH, I'll disagree: mail (or www, or file transfers, or...)
are *not* a matter of Internet governance, except in a very narrow
sense. *SMTP* is, up to the point that for belonging to the Internet
a mail exchange host must know how to handle it. As you know, the
minimal set that keeps the Internet running is made of 66 standards
(and 5 of them are just historic -- see RFC 3700). Many of those
standards belong to layer 7, so you need to abide by them if (and
only if) you are implementing such layer-7 service in your host.

I wonder if this point is the focus of our controversy. Your
statement can be read as ``everything that is in the Internet
requires some kind of formal governance'', while I believe that
the scope of IG must be very limited. The best way to avoid
power abuse is by not having it :)

If my slogan was an understatement, yours is an overstatement.
Your assumption that "services are part of the Internet, thus they
are part of Internet governance", as good as it might sound, admits
a very dangerous reading:
- Pornography is a part of the WWW
- WWW is a part of the Internet
- WWW is a matter of Internet governance
- Pornography is a matter of Internet governance
I'm in no way implying that you advocate such thing (since if you were,
it would be useless to have this discussion), but just trying to show
how dangerous could be that (y)our wishes come true.

Not every aspect of the Internet needs governance. On the contrary,
only _very limited_ aspects, not belonging to specific fields
pf "real world" governance, need it. And even in those, extreme
care is required, because of the legitimacy issues surrounding
governance bodies.

Thus, I'll stand by my words: governance and regulations are only
required when they are necessary for rational and fair allocation
of scarce resources and for management of common infrastructure, but
for *nothing* else.

Regards,

Enrique

-- 
``Izena duen guzia omen da.''
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From echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar  Sun Jan 30 05:19:43 2005
From: echaparro at uolsinectis.com.ar (Enrique A. Chaparro)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : building consensus
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:58:46 +0100
Herv? Le Crosnier <herve@info.unicaen.fr> wrote:

HLC> 
HLC> 
HLC> 	Good afternoon (France time)
HLC> 
HLC> 	The question  of place of IPR in the priorities
HLC> 	of the WGIG seems to be :
HLC> 	- an important one (positions try really to
HLC> 	  exprim problems and visions of the place of
HLC> 	  "internet-societies n?gociations" vs "global-societies
HLC> 	  n?gociations")

Herve,
Let me dissent. There are objects of that fuzzy field that some 
people insist in calling `IPR' that are of paramount importance 
for the information society. Among these objects, patents,
copyrights, trademarks and mask work are the most noteworthy.
But *none* of them falls into the scope of `Internet governance',
but of `real world' governance: national legislation and
international treaties. I believe that we must do something
about these issues, but that `something' is not pushing alien
objects into the field of IG, but struggling for a deep reform
at both national and international levels (WIPO, WTO).

As you see, building consensus on these issues may prove difficult.
But let me try to answer your question, even if I'm not one of
``those who think that IPR is top-ranking piorities for the WGIG'':

HLC> 	So i ask one question, to clarify the way to such a kind
HLC> 	of consensus, to those who think that IPR is top-ranking
HLC> 	piorities for the WGIG :
HLC> 
HLC> 	- What exactly are the IPR problem you think are in the
HLC> 	scope of the WGIG ?

No ``IPR'' problems are in the scope of WGIG. However, some ``IPR''
issues *affect* IG, and it would be a good thing that the WGIG raise
awareness on those:

1 - The lack of a definite juridical status for domain names
creates complications, unfairness and quasi-juridical illegitimate
procedures for doamin-name dispute resolution;

2 - More important, the so called `software' patents[1] pose a
severe threat for the very existence of the Internet. Since
standards keep the Internet working, no patented technologies
should be included in them. And before someone asks, no, RAND
policies are not enough since they could severely impair or
even annihilate free software, which is the essential engine
behind a number of Internet services[2]

Regards from the Far South,

Enrique

Notes:

[1] Technically speaking, there is no such thing as software
patents. There are patents on algorithms, methods and processes
implemented in software.

[2] 70% of the active Web sites are managed by Apache. The
overwhelming majority of DNS servers is managed by bind. More
than two thirds of all e-mail is managed by sendmail, qmail,
postfix and exim. All these are Free Software pieces.
-- 
``Izena duen guzia omen da.''
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From dbenamrane at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 30 11:29:48 2005
From: dbenamrane at yahoo.com (djilali benamrane)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: FYI: TF on Financial Mechanisms (French translation)
In-Reply-To: <41F96DF2.6BB33FFA@undp.org>
Message-ID: <20050130112948.33158.qmail@web60702.mail.yahoo.com>

In French bellow,
Dear Radhika
Many thanks for this usefull information and for the
efforts of those who try to inform no english speaking
people.
Rare translations come in late with days and weeks
after the event and do it is less productive.
I do think that this approach is really an strategy
one to disqualify non English speaking people.
We are hopeless facing this ideoly one world, one
policy ultra-liberal, one language.
Good luck and all the best.
Djilali
Juste deux mots pour remercier Radhika pour
l'information sur la disponibilité de la traduction en
retard et en partie de quelques documents
d'importance... j'ai profité de signifier aux
responsables à tous les niveaux du ral bol de ce
traitement discriminatoire que subissent ceux qui ne
pratique pas la langue de Sheakspeare.
Trop c'est trop avec ce diktat de cette pensée unique
qui veut imposer dans un monde global : une idéologie
ultra libérale et une langue unique !
La désespérance n'est pas sans limite et la
démobilisation s'installe... Tunis risque de n'être
qu'un cirque à l'image de ce que nous avons vécu à
Genève... aucun effort depuis !
Amitiés
Djilali  
  
--- Radhika Lal <radhika.lal@undp.org> wrote:

> Dear Colleagues
> 
> This is just to alert you that the French
> translation of the findings
> and conclusions should be available later today on
> the WSIS website at
>
http://www.itu.int/wsis/documents/listing-all.asp?lang=en&c_event=pc2|2&c_type=all|
> 
> and at
>
http://www.itu.int/wsis/documents/doc_multi.asp?lang=en&id=1372|1374|1376|1377
> 
> The translation of the rest of the report has also
> been completed and
> should be available shortly.
> This is thanks to the kind assistance of AFD.
> 
> Could you inform other interested colleagues?
> best regards
> radhika
> 
> --
> Radhika Lal
> UNDP
> email: radhika.lal@undp.org
> 
> 
> 



=====
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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Sun Jan 30 11:38:15 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG - Caucuses meeting?
Message-ID: <41FCC727.4070107@bertola.eu.org>

All,

I have not consulted with my WGIG colleagues yet, but personally I think 
it would be a good idea to set up a meeting between civil society WGIG 
members, connectors, and other civil society caucus participants (perhaps 
even the entire Plenary). Time will be an issue - WGIG will make us busy 
10-13 and 15-18 all days of the Feb 14 week - but we should definitely 
find a way to organize one, possibly on or before Feb 16, so that results 
can be then considered when we will be asked to finalize the first phase 
of the WGIG work and start organizing the second, in the closed WGIG 
meetings of Feb 17-18.

Does this seem like a good idea? Also, is there anyone who could take care 
of organizing this?

Thanks,
-- 
vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<------
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Vecchio sito, nuovo tobl?g...

From pimienta at funredes.org  Sun Jan 30 15:27:06 2005
From: pimienta at funredes.org (Daniel Pimienta)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : building consensus
In-Reply-To: <1107047292.2782.24.camel@michelle>
References: <41FBB2B6.7030709@info.unicaen.fr>
 <6.2.0.14.2.20050129115946.02d06b38@funredes.org>
 <1107047292.2782.24.camel@michelle>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050130095220.02df3298@funredes.org>

>For the first time in so many years I can perceive a deep coincidence of
>views with Daniel, I think I shall express it :-)
I guess I should start to get seriously worried :-).

The difference may be in the "so many years"... I have crossed Herv?'s mail 
on my screen for more than 15 years and read Fede's only after WSIS started...

Of course, Internet Governance is not about governing the Information 
Society. Yet, the direct management of Internet resources may take us 
indirectly into the main issues of IS (like cultural diversity and the 
possibility to have domain names in one's character set; like IPR and 
protection of domain names; like ethic of information and spam) and 
situations where business and governments interests are at stake and play 
(not necessarily fair) behind the scenes. Just take the pre ICANN (IANA) 
documented example of the Haitian TLD (1997) and you will see what I mean.

Furthermore, beyond the large consensus that we do not want to see national 
governments nor UN type international body take over or maintain control 
(in the case of USA), one should bring clear answers to the alternatives. 
It's no more "let the technicians do the job approach" since the stakes are 
not merely technical. It's not enough to say what we do not want it to be, 
we need to define waht it will be.

The very process of management must be innovative in terms of process and 
participation, since it will pave the ground (set precedents) towards new 
paradigm for governance in the IS. This is how I read the past intents of 
ICANN with at-large membership, this is where multistakeholders approaches, 
for challenging they may be, have a very meaning. ICANN (and in that sense 
WGIG) has, beyond the management of Internet resources, a meta goal, which 
is to create workable alternative of global issues management outside 
pre-existing schemes. This is where civil society has a crucial role to 
play, with its experience of participative action and have to be ready to 
face challenging new approaches since the scheme to be invented must be 
multistakeholder by definition.

Now, we should be modest (personally I cannot answer right away your 
quetions Herv? of where is the exhaustive boundary wher IS issues express 
in IG - this requires thorough work), acknowledge the complexity of the 
challenge, and work together in a new area where tecnological knowledge may 
be necessary but certainly not sufficient. On that sense, I feel personally 
satisfied that people who has been selected in WGIG have the right skills, 
combining the appropriate technical background with the necessary 
experience dealing with IS perspectives and issues.

The question you have raised is to them to be adressed, pre processed and 
reported to plenary when it has reached a sufficient level of maturity. I 
do not think this is the space to act as a workgroup.

I'll come back to spam in another mail.




From pimienta at funredes.org  Sun Jan 30 15:53:44 2005
From: pimienta at funredes.org (Daniel Pimienta)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam and IG
In-Reply-To: <1107047292.2782.24.camel@michelle>
References: <41FBB2B6.7030709@info.unicaen.fr>
 <6.2.0.14.2.20050129115946.02d06b38@funredes.org>
 <1107047292.2782.24.camel@michelle>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050130103948.02e9aee8@funredes.org>

Why should spam be an item in WGIG list?
Well, first because it directly deals with (mis) use of Internet resources.
This is a sufficient reason and I don't need to develop further.

Why should not Spam treatment be reserved to national juridictions?
Because, the analogy with others unsollicited communications is flawed.
At the difference with the other cases:
- the marginal cost for the spammer is null;
- the cost for the transport structure is high (if 50% of mails tran siting 
in the net are spams,
one could compute that cost) and not compensated by sender;
- the cost for the recipient is extremely high (I do include the cost of 
the time it takes for users to get to their real mail).

Spam is a complex issue which span all the layers.
It is a question of ecology of information.
It is a question of ethic of information.
It is a question of market regulation (I mean here regulation in the 
systemic sense)
It is also a question of Internet resources management with possible 
indirect relationships with the previous.

Saying that spam is an IG item does not necessarily implies that the 
solution is within the IG sphere of responsibility. I just dont know. But 
it has to be treated also within IG.



From gurstein at ADM.NJIT.EDU  Sun Jan 30 15:53:47 2005
From: gurstein at ADM.NJIT.EDU (Gurstein, Michael)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Some More Questions About IPR
Message-ID: <A0E19BF31237DE4A9B1FF1E122FAC13A0C8A714D@ADMCLUSTER.njitdm.campus.njit.edu>

Unfortunately, I don't have as much time to devote to following and contributing to these issues as I would like but around the matter of Intellectual Property Rights I would ask whether and how the following issues directly concerned with IPR and indirectly concerned with the Internet and ICTs in general are being accomodated.  (In the context of ICTs or the Internet and IPRs surely these matters are of interest given the way in which the world is being transformed by ICTs and the related matter that many of the IPR issues are arising precisely because of the ease of information dissemination and management presented by ICTs and the Internet):
 
1. since much of human knowledge is lodged in and derived from (in many cases "stolen" from) local communities and in this I would include virtual communities as well as geo-local communities, what provisions are being made to structure an IPR system so that local communities can be made aware of their IPR rights, can develop a means to establish their rights in this area, and have access to appropriate mechanisms to cost-effectively and efficiently enforce those rights including in the electronic media? 
 
2. since even the most sophisticated of intellectual property draws heavily from a universal base of knowledge which has long been understood as a common heritage (public good)--language, culture, mathematics, science--what provision in IPR developments are being made to ensure that there is a contribution by those in possession of IPR back to this common heritage to ensure its continued health, well-being, growth and universal accessability?
 
3. what provisions are being made for those who provide a considerable protion of the contrbution to individual intellectual property as for example through community or national payments for school and post-secondary education systems to ensure that their "rights" to the outputs of those systems as for example in medical, scientific or technical training is recognized and enforced and that suitable payments are made back to these co-owners by the ultimate beneficiaries--high salaried professionals, developed countries importing professionals from LDC's, corporations hiring and benefiting from the contribution of these professionals and so on. (as an example, I saw a recent calculation that Developed Countries have received benefits equivalent to almost a trillion dollars through the importation of professionals educated and trained in Less Developed Countries.)
 
Surely if we are going to be taking the notions of "intellectual property" seriously, then the rights of all who have a claim to such "property" should be taken into account in these discussions.
 
Mike Gurstein
From vb at bertola.eu.org  Sun Jan 30 16:46:24 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue
In-Reply-To: <727FAB9A-7229-11D9-8C82-000393CC2112@acm.org>
References: <20050129151848.97253.qmail@web52303.mail.yahoo.com> <41FBD648.6090300@bertola.eu.org> <727FAB9A-7229-11D9-8C82-000393CC2112@acm.org>
Message-ID: <41FD0F60.1090500@bertola.eu.org>

avri@acm.org ha scritto:
> I see no reason why a transit provider or provider on the receiving end 
> does not have the right to filter traffic they find unacceptable and I 
> don't think that regulations barring someone from taking such defensive 
> action is something to wish for.

I'm not advocating regulation... still, the idea that my ISP is encouraged 
to intercept my private correspondence, filter it, and decide what I get 
and what I don't get, is something that worries me a lot. I'd just like to 
know that whoever maintains the filters does so in a transparent and 
accountable way, and that it's not under the monopoly or de-facto monopoly 
of any company or group or crazy individual or whatever - because you 
could theoretically switch filter provider, but in fact 99,99% of the 
world will use the default one (see at the voice "alternative root server 
systems" ;-) ).

(Possibly it's just that I'm too pessimistic to think that a liberalized 
and self-regulating approach will always be respectful of everyone's 
rights...)
-- 
vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<------
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Vecchio sito, nuovo tobl?g...

From mueller at syr.edu  Sun Jan 30 17:55:07 2005
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue
Message-ID: <s1fcd932.079@gwia201.syr.edu>

Avri:
Your dissection of the spam problem several days ago was most welcome
and I regret that I did not have time to respond until now. 

You are absolutely correct that the "spam problem" can be broken down
into a number of technical, business, and national policy aspects, all
of which may act as substitutes for global governance. 

Two aspects of the problem were missing from your analysis, in my
opinion (see below). When these are considered, the relevance of spam as
a global governance problem increases, but your observations that
technical and business change may obviate the need for any global action
are still valid.

First, there is often a strong fraud/consumer protection/law
enforcement element to spam. This involves not only the promotion of
worthless and possibly illegal and harmful products but also phishing
schemes. 

Second, and directly related to the first, effective law enforcement
can be hampered by the nonterritorial nature of the Internet. As
crackdowns on spam in certain national jurisdictions increases, the
activity spreads to other jurisidctions. e.g., I have noticed recently a
huge increase in the amount of spam I get with Russian characters or
from the .ru domain. 

Now, you are absolutely correct that it is always an open question
whether the best, most efficient and effective responses to these
problems are client-side, ISP-based, technical, economic, some
combination of the two, or legislative, and if legislative, whether
national law and existing mechanisms of international law enforcement
cooperation are sufficient or whether new actions are needed.

A clear analysis of those tradeoffs and some conclusions about the
potentialities and limitations of global governance from the WGIG would
be a contribution. WGIG (and the UN) should avoid casually positioning
themselves as the "solution" to a very difficult problem simply in order
to promote their own importance. We need a clear-eyed and critical
analysis of the ability of international instityutions to do anything
constructive in this space, and an awareness of the risks as well.

--MM

Dr. Milton Mueller
Syracuse University School of Information Studies
http://www.digital-convergence.org
http://www.internetgovernance.org


From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Sun Jan 30 18:08:53 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG - Caucuses meeting?
In-Reply-To: <41FCC727.4070107@bertola.eu.org>
References: <41FCC727.4070107@bertola.eu.org>
Message-ID: <p06210202be22d267c864@[10.0.1.2]>

Vittorio:

good idea to have a CS IG meeting. Could you add an entry to the 
PrepCom 2 wiki with possible dates

http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/wiki/index.php/WSIS_Prepcom_II

my preference would be:

  13th - late afternoon / evening as it would allow us to brief each 
other before the open wgig meeting on the 14th.

regards

Robert



At 12:38 PM +0100 1/30/05, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>All,
>
>I have not consulted with my WGIG colleagues yet, but personally I 
>think it would be a good idea to set up a meeting between civil 
>society WGIG members, connectors, and other civil society caucus 
>participants (perhaps even the entire Plenary). Time will be an 
>issue - WGIG will make us busy 10-13 and 15-18 all days of the Feb 
>14 week - but we should definitely find a way to organize one, 
>possibly on or before Feb 16, so that results can be then considered 
>when we will be asked to finalize the first phase of the WGIG work 
>and start organizing the second, in the closed WGIG meetings of Feb 
>17-18.
>
>Does this seem like a good idea? Also, is there anyone who could 
>take care of organizing this?
>
>Thanks,
>--
>vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<------
>http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Vecchio sito, nuovo tobl?g...
>_______________________________________________
>Plenary mailing list
>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From thomas at thomasruddy.org  Sun Jan 30 19:15:39 2005
From: thomas at thomasruddy.org (Thomas Ruddy)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG - Caucuses meeting?
In-Reply-To: <p06210202be22d267c864@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <00d301c50700$16af5170$4c25a73e@RIGGENBACH>

Robert,
Congratulations, I like your Wiki, and have added it to our
http://www.wsis.ethz.ch/calendar.htm 

I'm sure, though, that there could be a lot more entries under your "PrepCom
2 attendees" page.

Best,
Thomas

========================================
Thomas Ruddy,  Switzerland, photo http://www.thomasruddy.org  
convenor of "the Environment and ICT" working group http://www.wsis.ethz.ch 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert Guerra
> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 7:09 PM
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Cc: Vittorio Bertola
> Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG - Caucuses meeting?
> 
> Vittorio:
> 
> good idea to have a CS IG meeting. Could you add an entry to the
> PrepCom 2 wiki with possible dates
> 
> http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/wiki/index.php/WSIS_Prepcom_II
> 
> my preference would be:
> 
>   13th - late afternoon / evening as it would allow us to brief each
> other before the open wgig meeting on the 14th.
> 
> regards
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> 
> At 12:38 PM +0100 1/30/05, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
> >All,
> >
> >I have not consulted with my WGIG colleagues yet, but personally I
> >think it would be a good idea to set up a meeting between civil
> >society WGIG members, connectors, and other civil society caucus
> >participants (perhaps even the entire Plenary). Time will be an
> >issue - WGIG will make us busy 10-13 and 15-18 all days of the Feb
> >14 week - but we should definitely find a way to organize one,
> >possibly on or before Feb 16, so that results can be then considered
> >when we will be asked to finalize the first phase of the WGIG work
> >and start organizing the second, in the closed WGIG meetings of Feb
> >17-18.
> >
> >Does this seem like a good idea? Also, is there anyone who could
> >take care of organizing this?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >--
> >vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
> -
> >http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Vecchio sito, nuovo tobl?g...
> >_______________________________________________
> >Plenary mailing list
> >Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 
> 
> --
> ###
> Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
> Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary


From acarvin at edc.org  Sun Jan 30 19:36:40 2005
From: acarvin at edc.org (Andy Carvin)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Wiki contact list (was: WGIG - Caucuses meeting?)
In-Reply-To: <00d301c50700$16af5170$4c25a73e@RIGGENBACH>
References: <00d301c50700$16af5170$4c25a73e@RIGGENBACH>
Message-ID: <41FD3748.4060602@edc.org>

Hi Thomas,

When I installed the wiki, our intention wasn't for Robert or me to 
collect and manage this list of attendees ourselves - rather, we hope 
that CS members will add their own contact information to it. So far, 
only a few people - Robert, Rik, you, me, and around half a dozen others 
- have added their prepcom travel info. So I'd like to invite all of you 
who are  attending the Prepcom to visit the link below and add your 
information as well.

http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/wiki/index.php?title=WSIS_Prepcom_II:_People_Attending&action=edit

Please follow the format used by the other people already on the list. 
I'm trying to keep the list in alphabetical order as well, by surname.

thanks,
andy carvin
digital divide network


Thomas Ruddy wrote:
> Robert,
> Congratulations, I like your Wiki, and have added it to our
> http://www.wsis.ethz.ch/calendar.htm 
> 
> I'm sure, though, that there could be a lot more entries under your "PrepCom
> 2 attendees" page.
> 
> Best,
> Thomas
> 
> ========================================
> Thomas Ruddy,  Switzerland, photo http://www.thomasruddy.org  
> convenor of "the Environment and ICT" working group http://www.wsis.ethz.ch 
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On
>>Behalf Of Robert Guerra
>>Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 7:09 PM
>>To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>Cc: Vittorio Bertola
>>Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG - Caucuses meeting?
>>
>>Vittorio:
>>
>>good idea to have a CS IG meeting. Could you add an entry to the
>>PrepCom 2 wiki with possible dates
>>
>>http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/wiki/index.php/WSIS_Prepcom_II
>>
>>my preference would be:
>>
>>  13th - late afternoon / evening as it would allow us to brief each
>>other before the open wgig meeting on the 14th.
>>
>>regards
>>
>>Robert
>>
>>
>>
>>At 12:38 PM +0100 1/30/05, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>>
>>>All,
>>>
>>>I have not consulted with my WGIG colleagues yet, but personally I
>>>think it would be a good idea to set up a meeting between civil
>>>society WGIG members, connectors, and other civil society caucus
>>>participants (perhaps even the entire Plenary). Time will be an
>>>issue - WGIG will make us busy 10-13 and 15-18 all days of the Feb
>>>14 week - but we should definitely find a way to organize one,
>>>possibly on or before Feb 16, so that results can be then considered
>>>when we will be asked to finalize the first phase of the WGIG work
>>>and start organizing the second, in the closed WGIG meetings of Feb
>>>17-18.
>>>
>>>Does this seem like a good idea? Also, is there anyone who could
>>>take care of organizing this?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>--
>>>vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
>>
>>-
>>
>>>http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Vecchio sito, nuovo tobl?g...
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Plenary mailing list
>>>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>>
>>
>>--
>>###
>>Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
>>Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Plenary mailing list
>>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Plenary mailing list
> Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary

-- 
-----------------------------------
Andy Carvin
Program Director
EDC Center for Media & Community
acarvin @ edc . org
http://www.digitaldivide.net
http://www.tsunami-info.org
Blog: http://www.andycarvin.com
-----------------------------------

From cnd at knowprose.com  Sun Jan 30 20:50:58 2005
From: cnd at knowprose.com (Taran Rampersad)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue
In-Reply-To: <41FD0F60.1090500@bertola.eu.org>
References: <20050129151848.97253.qmail@web52303.mail.yahoo.com> <41FBD648.6090300@bertola.eu.org> <727FAB9A-7229-11D9-8C82-000393CC2112@acm.org> <41FD0F60.1090500@bertola.eu.org>
Message-ID: <41FD48B2.7080507@knowprose.com>

Vittorio Bertola wrote:

> avri@acm.org ha scritto:
>
>> I see no reason why a transit provider or provider on the receiving
>> end does not have the right to filter traffic they find unacceptable
>> and I don't think that regulations barring someone from taking such
>> defensive action is something to wish for.
>
>
> I'm not advocating regulation... still, the idea that my ISP is
> encouraged to intercept my private correspondence, filter it, and
> decide what I get and what I don't get, is something that worries me a
> lot. I'd just like to know that whoever maintains the filters does so
> in a transparent and accountable way, and that it's not under the
> monopoly or de-facto monopoly of any company or group or crazy
> individual or whatever - because you could theoretically switch filter
> provider, but in fact 99,99% of the world will use the default one
> (see at the voice "alternative root server systems" ;-) ).

CARNIVORE. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_(FBI)

It's been said that Carnivore and applications like it may be in use by
governments.

So part of the role of the WGIG might be to discuss what governments can
regulate within their country that does not violate the human rights
declared within the U.N. Charter.

-- 
Taran Rampersad

cnd@knowprose.com

http://www.linuxgazette.com
http://www.a42.com
http://www.worldchanging.com
http://www.knowprose.com
http://www.easylum.net

"Criticize by creating." ? Michelangelo



From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Sun Jan 30 19:44:23 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG - Caucuses meeting?
In-Reply-To: <00d301c50700$16af5170$4c25a73e@RIGGENBACH>
References: <00d301c50700$16af5170$4c25a73e@RIGGENBACH>
Message-ID: <p06210204be22e9412383@[10.0.1.2]>

Thomas:


Credit for the Wiki must be given to Andy Carvin - he's the one that 
suggested it and set it up. kudos and many thanks to him!



At 8:15 PM +0100 1/30/05, Thomas Ruddy wrote:
>Robert,
>Congratulations, I like your Wiki, and have added it to our
>http://www.wsis.ethz.ch/calendar.htm
>
>I'm sure, though, that there could be a lot more entries under your "PrepCom
>2 attendees" page.
>
>Best,
>Thomas


-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From wdrake at ictsd.ch  Sun Jan 30 19:57:44 2005
From: wdrake at ictsd.ch (William Drake)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG - Caucuses meeting?
In-Reply-To: <p06210202be22d267c864@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <MABBIHAAPBEEGMLBDEGOAECLEEAA.wdrake@ictsd.ch>

Hi,

A meeting is a good idea, but on the 13th WGIG CS members might want/need to
talk with other WGIG members, so the 14th-15th might be better.  We also
need to do a IG caucus meeting either the 14th or 15th and would need to
coordinate between the two.

Best,

Bill



> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> Behalf Of Robert Guerra
> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 7:09 PM
> To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Cc: Vittorio Bertola
> Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG - Caucuses meeting?
>
>
> Vittorio:
>
> good idea to have a CS IG meeting. Could you add an entry to the
> PrepCom 2 wiki with possible dates
>
> http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/wiki/index.php/WSIS_Prepcom_II
>
> my preference would be:
>
>   13th - late afternoon / evening as it would allow us to brief each
> other before the open wgig meeting on the 14th.
>
> regards
>
> Robert
>
>
>
> At 12:38 PM +0100 1/30/05, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
> >All,
> >
> >I have not consulted with my WGIG colleagues yet, but personally I
> >think it would be a good idea to set up a meeting between civil
> >society WGIG members, connectors, and other civil society caucus
> >participants (perhaps even the entire Plenary). Time will be an
> >issue - WGIG will make us busy 10-13 and 15-18 all days of the Feb
> >14 week - but we should definitely find a way to organize one,
> >possibly on or before Feb 16, so that results can be then considered
> >when we will be asked to finalize the first phase of the WGIG work
> >and start organizing the second, in the closed WGIG meetings of Feb
> >17-18.
> >
> >Does this seem like a good idea? Also, is there anyone who could
> >take care of organizing this?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >--
> >vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a]
> bertola.eu.org]<------
> >http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Vecchio sito, nuovo tobl?g...
> >_______________________________________________
> >Plenary mailing list
> >Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> >http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
>
>
> --
> ###
> Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
> Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>
>



From karenb at gn.apc.org  Sun Jan 30 20:32:19 2005
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG: TRANSLATION of documents
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050130203005.041f4300@pop.gn.apc.org>

dear all,

** babelfish translation **

I'm not sure whether you will *hear* this message with the high volume of 
traffic on the plenary list. It is about translation of the WGIG Issue 
papers and to ask whether there are any volunteers who would be willing to 
take on translation of any of the papers, into any of the UN working languages.

Je ne suis pas s?r si vous * entendre * ce message avec le volume du trafic
?lev? sur la liste pl?ni?re. Elle est au sujet de la traduction des papiers 
d'issue de WGIG et pour demander s'il y a des volontaires qui seraient 
dispos?s ? prendre la traduction de n'importe lequel de ces papiers, dans 
n'importe laquelle de ces langues de travail de l'ONU.

No soy seguro si usted * o?r * este mensaje con el alto volumen de tr?fico 
en la lista plenaria. Est? sobre la traducci?n de los papeles de la edici?n 
de WGIG y preguntar si hay algunos voluntarios que estuvieran dispuestos a 
adquirir la traducci?n de cualesquiera de los papeles, en cualesquiera de 
las idiomas de funcionamiento de la O.N.U.
-----

As you know, the series of issue papers that are being produced by the WGIG
members will be released for public consultation in a day or so. The
documents have been drafted in english and will be the basis of at least
some of the discussion in Geneva, Feb 14-17.

The WGIG Secretariat, under the guidance of Markus Kummer, has been working
hard to secure funds for ongoing translation costs of the WGIG, and
although they haven't been secured yet, we are very hopeful that they will be.

However, we are not in a position to draw on official translation services
in time to translate the series of issue papers. I know this is by no means
an ideal situation, all i can tell you is that sincere efforts are being
made to secure the necessary funds to allow for translation for the next
phase of the groups work.

There are approximately 22 papers. Each paper follows the same template.
Papers vary in length from 2 to 10 pages (majority around 4-5)

We will obviously need to do this as quickly as possible, if we are going
to do it at all, to enable the widest possible participation in the
consultation process.

** If you are in a position to translate any documents, please mail me
directly (karenb@gn.apc.org), indicating which language you are able to
translate into or reply to the translation@wsis-cs.org list - please don't
reply to the plenary list as there is already too much traffic for most to
manage **

many thanks, look forward to seeing some of you in geneva..

karen banks (apc)
------

Comme vous le savez, la s?rie de papiers d'issue qui sont produits par les
membres de WGIG sera lib?r?e pour la consultation publique en jour ou
ainsi. Les documents ont ?t? r?dig?s en anglais et seront la base au moins
d'une partie de la discussion ? Gen?ve, f?v. 14-17. Le secr?tariat de WGIG,
sous les conseils de

Markus Kummer, avait travaill? dur pour fixer des fonds pour des co?ts
continus de traduction du WGIG, et bien qu'ils n'aient pas ?t? fix?s
encore, nous sommes tr?s pleins d'espoir qui ils seront. Cependant, nous ne
sommes pas en mesure ? dessiner aux services de traduction officiels ?
temps de traduire la s?rie de papiers d'issue.

Je sais c'est nullement une situation id?ale, toute que je peux vous dire
qu'est que des efforts sinc?res sont faits de fixer les fonds n?cessaires
pour tenir compte de la traduction pour la phase suivante des groupes
travaillent.

Il y a approximativement 22 papiers (j'ai ?num?r? les issues ci-dessous).
Chaque papier suit le m?me calibre. Les papiers changent dans la longueur
de 2 ? 10 pages (majorit? autour de 4-5)

Nous devrons ?videmment faire ceci aussi rapidement que possible, si nous
allons le faire du tout, pour permettre la participation la plus large
possible au processus de consultation.

** si vous ?tes en mesure pour traduire n'importe quels documents, svp
m'exp?dier directement (karenb@gn.apc.org), indiquant quelle langue vous
pouvez traduire ou r?ponse ? la liste de translation@wsis-cs.org - svp ne
r?pondez pas ? la liste pl?ni?re car il y a d?j? trop de trafic pour que
les la plupart contr?lent le **

beaucoup de mercis, attendent avec int?r?t voir de lui ? Gen?ve.

karen banks (apc)
-----------
Como usted sabe, la serie de papeles de la edici?n que est?n siendo
producidos por los miembros de WGIG ser? lanzada para la consulta p?blica
en un d?a o tan. Los documentos se han bosquejado en ingl?s y ser?n la base
por lo menos de algo de la discusi?n en Ginebra, febrero 14-17. La
secretar?a de WGIG, bajo direcci?n de

Markus Kummer, ha estado trabajando dif?cilmente para asegurar los fondos
para los costes en curso de la traducci?n del WGIG, y aunque no se han
asegurado todav?a, somos muy esperanzados que ser?n. Sin embargo, no
estamos en una posici?n a dibujar en servicios de traducci?n oficiales en
hora de traducir la serie de papeles de la edici?n.

S? esto es de ninguna manera una situaci?n ideal, toda lo que puedo decirle
que sea que se est?n haciendo los esfuerzos sinceros de asegurar los fondos
necesarios para tener en cuenta la traducci?n para la fase pr?xima de los
grupos trabajan.

Hay aproximadamente 22 papeles (he enumerado las ediciones abajo). Cada
papel sigue la misma plantilla. Los papeles var?an en longitud a partir del
2 a 10 p?ginas (mayor?a alrededor de 4-5)

Necesitaremos obviamente hacer esto lo m?s r?pidamente posible, si vamos a
hacerlo en todos, para permitir la participaci?n posible m?s amplia del
proceso de la consulta.

** si usted est? en una posici?n para traducir cualesquiera documentos,
enviarme por favor directamente (karenb@gn.apc.org), indicando qu? lengua
usted puede traducir o contestaci?n a la lista de translation@wsis-cs.org -
no conteste por favor a la lista plenaria pues hay ya demasiado tr?fico
para que la mayor?a manejen el **

muchas gracias, miran adelante a considerar a algo de usted en Ginebra.

----

karen banks (apc)



From gurstein at ADM.NJIT.EDU  Sun Jan 30 20:55:54 2005
From: gurstein at ADM.NJIT.EDU (Gurstein, Michael)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Translation
Message-ID: <A0E19BF31237DE4A9B1FF1E122FAC13A0C8A7155@ADMCLUSTER.njitdm.campus.njit.edu>

I have over the years used this service on occasion for translation and for precis preparation for various on-line processes I've been involved with.
 
I have been surprised that these resources haven't been more extensively used in this context to this point. 

	Best, 

	MG 

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From vb at bertola.eu.org  Mon Jan 31 08:11:18 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WGIG - Caucuses meeting?
In-Reply-To: <MABBIHAAPBEEGMLBDEGOAECLEEAA.wdrake@ictsd.ch>
References: <MABBIHAAPBEEGMLBDEGOAECLEEAA.wdrake@ictsd.ch>
Message-ID: <1107159078.3943.3.camel@croce.dyf.it>

Il giorno dom, 30-01-2005 alle 20:57 +0100, William Drake ha scritto:
> Hi,
> 
> A meeting is a good idea, but on the 13th WGIG CS members might want/need to
> talk with other WGIG members, so the 14th-15th might be better.  We also
> need to do a IG caucus meeting either the 14th or 15th and would need to
> coordinate between the two.

Yes - actually, I've discovered that Karen Banks is already working on
setting up a meeting (possibly for the evening of the 15th), but I'm not
sure whether it's the IG Caucus internal meeting (also Jeanette was
working on that) or the WGIG CS - CS caucuses meeting.
-- 
vb.             [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...


From nne75 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 31 08:51:05 2005
From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society Forum Continues Tuesday /  Le Forum de la SC continue mardi: 09:00 Hrs
In-Reply-To: <LYRIS-266495-1431770-2005.01.30-15.35.50--nne75#yahoo.com@dgroups.org>
Message-ID: <20050131085105.78823.qmail@web50208.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear all
 
As announced, the high-level civil society training continues on Tuesday morning at the Koffi Annan Center of Excellence at 9:00 am. 
 
Chers tous
 
Comme annoncé, la formation de la société civile continue mardi à Koffi Annan Center of Excellence à 9:00H. 
 
---------------------
Agenda
 

   UN and International Policy Processes, engaging the African CS / L'ONU et le processus des politques internationales, l'engagement de la SC africaine
   New Civil Society Processes in International Policies/ Les nouvelles procedures de la société civile dans les politiques internationales
   Questions, mandate, attributes of the Global Civil Society Bureau./Questions, mandat et attributs du bureau international de la SC
   Use of UN online volunteers/utilisation des volontaires onusiens en ligne

Facilitators 

   Renate Bloem, President, CONGO, Geneva
   Ramin Kaweh, Officer, UN Non-Governmental Liaison Service, Geneva
   Viola Krebbs, President, International Conference Volunteers, Geneva
   Anriette Esterhuysen, Director, Association of Progressive Communications, APC, South Africa.
   +

Nnenna

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From j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk  Mon Jan 31 09:46:58 2005
From: j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk (Jonathan Cave)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue
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Since people have asked for comment from those who believe that spam is an 
appropriate issue...

At 18:13 28/01/2005, Michael Gurstein wrote:
>
>I think the issue of "spam" and "spam control" is highly interesting 
>particularly for what it reveals about the implicit frameworks concerning 
>overall Internet related issues.
>
>Spam is and can be approached from a technical and a legal/regulatory 
>perspective--that is, what are the centrally (top down) determined, 
>centrally (top down) implemented and centrally (top down) controlled 
>approaches to the problem of spam--what filters do ISP's put in place, 
>what laws do central authorities implement, what banishment do central 
>monitors impose and so on.
>
>An alternative approach to spam control, which in fact seems to be far 
>more powerful and certainly more cost-effective is a 'bottom-up" strategy 
>which has users either individually or more usefully collaboratively, 
>establishing mechanisms for identifying and diverting spam messages as 
>they are being received.

I am not sure about the cost-effectiveness of the bottom-up approach. The 
direct costs of spam as such are apparently enormous ($10 Billion in 2003 
for the US - one country, and before the recent surges). This merely deals 
with lost employee time in filtering the stuff at the bottom. This 
filtration is bedeviled by false positives (e.g. filters catching email 
from people who use web mail services or actually need to use spammer's 
'hot words' in their messages) and false negatives - esp. when spam 
originates in malware that hijacks addresses and subjects. But I agree that 
this does not seem an apt subject for IG in the larger sense. In any case, 
most governments are taking action - though countries whence most spam 
originates seem less inclined to take effective action:-(

The indirect costs and effects seem potentially more serious and more 
directly an IG concern. One is the tragedy of the commons - effective 
communication means being able to get messages through to others through 
effective channels that engage the attention of users. As a direct result 
of spam (and malware attacks coming in that way), many organisations are 
opting out of the public communication space. Many of my acquaintances have 
had to relocate to other servers and addresses, making them harder for 
chance or old acquaintances to find. Many more no longer use email for 
important communication, having had to revert to other channels that were 
by definition less effective than email (because they switched to email in 
the first place).

There may be a middle way - no top-down approach can be effective without 
bottom-up cooperation, and many top-down suggestions carry (not so) hidden 
dangers. But it is difficult to avoid the analogy of immunisation against 
infectious disease which is rarely left to bottom up initiatives.

>
>The way this seems to be working is that individuals identify messages 
>they consider spam, they set up a filter against that message which then 
>is shared with other people. As the network (on-line community) of those 
>sharing their filters grows, the grid of filtering against the spam 
>messaging grows apace and there is no particular need to have central 
>authorities to identify and track/attack spammers (an approach unlikely to 
>be effective in any case given the ease with which spammers can change 
>their addresses, the very low entry costs to spamming and so on... (I saw 
>a note pass by a few weeks ago which indicated that the cost of 
>identifying and running to ground a single spammer was in the $40,000K US 
>range, and this doesn't include the legal costs of attempting to try and 
>convict each individual spammer...).

But there is fairly clear evidence of a Pareto Law in operation, with a 
tiny proportion of miscreants responsible for the vast majority of spam. 
Surely, if the 'bottom-up' filterers could somehow share their information, 
the fruits of their efforts could be made available to others - including 
the vast numbers who cannot do this for a variety of reasons - and who keep 
the spammers coming back.

>  However, recognizing that spam is a problem which is probably best 
> controlled through (bottom up) on-line communities and networks doesn't 
> seem to have filtered into those who treat the Internet with all its 
> transformational elements as simply another ground for regulatory 
> business as usual, or who see a way of making a buck by providing 
> technology (overkill) solutions for what are essentially 
> "social"/community problems.

Not making, saving - and saving quite a few more bucks than those earned by 
solutions providers - many of whom are not operating commercially. I'm not 
necessarily asking for the activities of anti-spam activists to be given 
colour of law, but a private right of class action would be a nice step.

>To extend this further I'm seeing a similar "divide" in the Finance for 
>the Information Society area, where the bulk of the efforts seems to be in 
>finding ways of funding governments or (centralized) multilateral agencies 
>or NGO's to develop top down delivery programs rather than ways of 
>channeling funds and expertise to communities to help them develop local 
>solutions to access and related issues.

If the 'communities' are sufficiently localised, if they have the 
incentives and power to develop and implement their solutions and if the 
external effects are not too large, this should indeed be the default 
position. But those are a lot of 'ifs' in the online world. We've seen lots 
of examples of local IS initiatives that have not been taken up or have 
failed to connect - and thus have not produced sustainable benefits. Not 
that the 'big programmes' have done that much better, but they fail in 
different ways.

>In the end of course, there will never ever be enough funds for top down 
>centrally administered solutions -- the technology moves too fast -- and 
>in the end there is an endless number of potential (even socially worthy) 
>beneficiaries.  But to set up processes where communities are enabled to 
>achieve access and effective use based on their application of local 
>resources in relation to local needs (with of course, the availability of 
>some type of technical infrastructure--IMHO the appropriate use of 
>centralized capacity and resource commitment), that should be do-able even 
>within a context of limited donor interest and financial committments.
>
>Best,
>
>Mike Gurstein
>
>Michael Gurstein, Ph.D.
>Clinical Professor: School of Management
>Research Profesor: School of Computing and information Science
>New Jersey Institute of Technology
>Newark, NJ
>
>(Interim) Chair: Community Informatics Research Network

Cheers,

Jonathan

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From mh at wacc.org.uk  Mon Jan 31 10:20:12 2005
From: mh at wacc.org.uk (Myriam Horngren)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] DNS News, Vers une 'multigouvernance' de l'Internet?
Message-ID: <7414FB05C3419C42931F0911BE79061D4FEF6C@wacc-commserver.wacc.org.uk>

Hmm, not sure. Maybe you want to link to it but not put the full text? Am not really good about internet governance and not sure where we stand on this really. But I guess we can link to it. Am just not sure it's news though, it's an opinion piece on internet governance.
bestest

Myriam

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On Behalf Of Robert Guerra
Sent: 29 January 2005 15:57
To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] DNS News, Vers une 'multigouvernance' de l'Internet?

I just came across the following site that seems to be focuses on 
Internet Governance issues - and it's in French!

This means that there is indeed linguistic diversity....are there 
similar sites in spanish, arabic, chinese or russian? If so, please 
post...



>Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:12:07 +0100
>From: sz <soenke@kein.org>
>To: incom <incom-l@incommunicado.info>
>Subject: <incom> DNS News, Vers une 'multigouvernance' de l'Internet?
>
>[via <http://www.dnsnewspro.com>]
>
>------ DNS News n?81 - Janvier 2005 --------
>
>Edito : Vers une ? multigouvernance ? de l'Internet ?
>
>Cet ?ditorial vise a proposer une autre approche de ? la ? gouvernance
>de l'internent, approche qui a la r?flexion me parait non seulement
>correspondre a la r?alit?, mais aussi a la philosophie de l'Internet.
>Cette philosophie ? souterraine ? sait parfois se rappeler a l'attention
>de ceux qui oublient que l'Internet ne s'est pas construit par hasard
>tel qu'il est.
>
>Lorsque nous parlons de gouvernance de l'Internet, nous ?voquons
>g?n?ralement un magma d'interactions diverses entre des acteurs encore
>plus divers, en essayant de repr?senter les grandes lignes de ces
>interactions au sein de ? mod?les ? aux implications politiques non
>neutres. Ainsi du mod?le ? international ? a la mode am?ricaine, qui
>d?fend l'Inn en inqui?tant les gouvernements, et de son contrepoint ?
>intergouvernemental ? qui met en valeur l'UIT tout en suscitant quelque
>nervosit? chez nos amis d'outre-atlantique.
>
>Depuis l'?mergence de l'Internet, la notion de ? gouvernance ? est
>l'objet de controverses multiples li?es a des enjeux de pouvoir, mais
>aussi a la difficult? r?elle qu'il y a a d?finir cette fonction qui
>touche a tant d'univers diff?rents. Selon le point de vue depuis lequel
>on se place, selon les objectifs que l'on veut atteindre, ? la
>gouvernance ? et les moyens de la mettre en ouvre sont des plus varies,
>et le plus souvent incompatibles car se situant a des niveaux diff?rents.
>
>Peut-?tre cette approche n'est-elle pas la bonne. Peut-?tre
>devrions-nous cesser de chercher a r?sumer ? la ? gouvernance en une
>seule ?quation, peut-?tre n'existe-t-il pas de coordination possible au
>niveau ? global ?, c'est-a-dire non seulement plan?taire (aspects
>g?ographiques, politiques, culturels, linguistiques) mais aussi en
>termes de ? strates ? d'expertises couvrant les diff?rentes
>probl?matiques (juridiques, techniques, ?conomiques.).
>
>Si nous ne pouvons r?aliser la synth?se de cette diversit?, la logique
>conduit a chercher a identifier de ? petits ? agr?gats homog?nes qui
>pourront ensuite dialoguer les uns avec les autres. C'est ce qu'a essaye
>de faire l'ICANN a travers les ? constituencies ? du d?funt DNSO. C'est
>ce qu'elle essaie toujours de faire sur le papier, avec in fine un
>constat d'?chec traduit par des tendances a l'autoritarisme, au secret,
>a l'exclusion des ? agr?gats ? juges dangereux pour la r?alisation d'une
>? harmonie ? qui du moment qu'elle ne r?unit plus tout le monde, ne peut
>plus pr?tendre a ?tre ? globale ? et perd donc de son sens en regard des
>objectifs initiaux.
>
>La cons?quence de tout ceci est l'?clatement de ? la ? gouvernance une
>et indivisible, mais irr?aliste, en un certain nombre de ? p?les ?
>constitues autour de r?gions, de probl?matiques ou de zones
>d'expertises. L'ICANN cherche naturellement a s'organiser pour g?rer cet
>?clatement, mais elle n'a pour l'instant gu?re r?ussi a trouver une
>formule probante. Voulant trop embrasser, trop vite, elle ?treint mal.
>
>? La ? gouvernance n'existe pas, elle est l'assemblage h?t?roclite et
>h?t?rog?ne de divers cercles interconnectes ou sont discut?es et
>d?cid?es des r?solutions impliquant les parties prenantes de chaque
>cercle. Cette ? gouvernance multipolaire ?, ou ? multigouvernance ?, est
>profond?ment accord?e avec l'esprit de l'Internet et sa topologie
>d?centralis?e. C'est le seul mod?le qui puisse r?ellement fonctionner.
>
>Dans ce sch?ma, il est certain que les pr?tentions d'un des cercles a ?
>coordonner ? les autres atteignent vite leurs limites, car chacun a
>besoin de tous et nul ne peut ?tre exclu sans que le fonctionnement
>g?n?ral des autres en soit affecte.
>
>La principale difficult? est de relier entre eux ces cercles autonomes
>mais interd?pendants, de mani?re a ce que les informations circulent et
>que les d?cisions soient prises en coh?rence les unes avec les autres,
>en l'absence d'autorit? sup?rieure imposant ses d?cisions. Pour
>l'instant, cet obstacle a ?t? traite empiriquement, en recr?ant sur le
>papier cette autorit? sup?rieure, organisme charge de tout centraliser,
>de tout synth?tiser et de rendre des verdicts. Ce syst?me convient a une
>philosophie centralisatrice qui ne peut survivre tr?s longtemps sur le
>r?seau, comme le montrent les ? trous ? du dispositif ICANN, notamment
>en ce qui concerne ses relations avec les gestionnaires de serveurs
>racine, les RIRs et la plupart des registres d'extensions.
>
>La solution qui devrait ?merger au bout d'un certain temps est celle
>d'une multitude d'intersections entre les diff?rents cercles, et
>l'apparition d'une ? culture g?n?rale ? commune (notion assez voisine
>des sentiments de solidarit? et de s?curit? collectives).
>
>Nous sommes seulement au d?but de cette phase de maturation de la
>perception du fonctionnement intime de l'Internet, ce qui explique les
>heurts et l'apparition d'outils imparfaits, voues a ?tre remplaces un
>jour par des structures plus adapt?es aux besoins et a l'?tat de la
>conscience des acteurs. En attendant ce jour, il faut travailler a ne
>pas cr?er d'organisation fond?e sur un pr?suppos? erron? - l'existence
>d'une gouvernance homog?ne et ? plate ?. Le mod?le a d?couvrir soit ?tre
>aussi fluide, mouvant, profond et peut-?tre aussi incontr?lable que le
>r?seau. Il faudra sans doute encore du temps et maintes d?convenues
>avant de s'en convaincre compl?tement, car la nature humaine est de
>craindre ce qu'elle ne peut pas contr?ler, mais c'est aussi la l'essence
>de la libert?, qui est d'accepter que l'on ne puisse pas tout d?terminer
>par avance.
>
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From mh at wacc.org.uk  Mon Jan 31 10:20:56 2005
From: mh at wacc.org.uk (Myriam Horngren)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: Recall: [WSIS CS-Plenary] DNS News, Vers une 'multigouvernance' de l'Internet?
Message-ID: <7414FB05C3419C42931F0911BE79061D4FEF6D@wacc-commserver.wacc.org.uk>

Myriam Horngren would like to recall the message, "[WSIS CS-Plenary] DNS News, Vers une 'multigouvernance' de l'Internet?".

From j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk  Mon Jan 31 10:18:25 2005
From: j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk (Jonathan Cave)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : Strategic priorities for WGIG
In-Reply-To: <20050129032052.1303b176.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>
References: <s1f92838.007@gwia201.syr.edu>
 <6.2.0.14.2.20050128085515.024630e8@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>
 <20050129032052.1303b176.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050131094854.030cf820@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>

Just a quick comment to correct a too-hasty use of acronyms on my part.

At 03:20 29/01/2005, Enrique A. Chaparro wrote:
>On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:05:22 +0000
>Jonathan Cave <j.a.k.cave@warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>JC> I endorse the position of Vittorio and Milton Mueller regarding IPR.
>JC>
>JC> For one thing, domain names are IP - they are encloseable or ownable
>JC> bits of intangible property of substantial commercial (and other)
>JC> value.
>[...snip...]
>
>Let's try to start from the beginning: What is Internet? A network 
>carrying (as reliably as possible) IP packets from a source address to a 
>destination address. Period. So, Internet governance should be limited to 
>the minimal set necessary to guarantee such reliable transport.
>
>In other words, ``The Internet, a loosely-organized international 
>collaboration of autonomous, interconnected networks, supports 
>host-to-host communication through voluntary adherence to open protocols 
>and procedures defined by Internet Standards.'' (RFC-2026).
>
>Consistently with that principle of minimal regulation, I believe that 
>certain aspects of the Internet may require some form of `governance':
>1) A technical regulations system (standards) conforming the `glue' that 
>ensures the interoperability of the network as a whole;
>2) An IP adresses assignment system operating in a consistent way along 
>the IP packet-routing systems;
>3) A traffic exchange system between carriers/ISPs providing to the end 
>users a reasonable assurance that the trafic flows will get the specified 
>levels of service; and
>4) A system for assignment of protocol numbers and other miscellaneous 
>identifiers.
>
>In the current state of affairs, i.e., taking into consideration the 
>existence of a strong hierachical domain name system depending on the root 
>servers, other two aspects might require `governance':
>5) The responsible and publicly accountable supervision of the DNS root 
>servers set;
>6) The management of the DNS root zone file, including its preparation and 
>dissemination among the root servers, and the development and application 
>of polices for the incorporation of new TLDs to the root zone.
>
>A good number of the issues raised here belong to "real world" governance, 
>and even if I completely agree with the posture that they deserve an open 
>discussion with broad participation, I do not agree with the idea that 
>those issues belong to the field of "Internet governance".

A quick remark - in telecom regulation, the debate between the engineers - 
who favour only technical regulation - and the economists - who look at 
structure and conduct as determinants of performance - is long-standing and 
not to be resolved here. But the distinction between 'real world' 
governance of conduct relating to the Internet and Internet governance 
escapes me, I'm afraid.

>Getting deep into issues that do not belong to the strict field of IG is 
>prone to cause more harm than good. Let me take one of your assertions as 
>an example:
>If domain names are "IP", as you hold: What _kind_ of IP are they? 
>Trademarks? Copyrights? Geographical denominations? Mask work?

Here's the bad acronym use. 'IP' could mean 'industrial property' (all the 
examples mentioned except copyright) or 'intellectual property.' I meant 
the latter. More: I meant to indicate that domain names are intellectual 
property (they are intangible intellectual products that can be owned and 
transferred) independently of how the property rights are enshrined in law. 
It seems to me (and, it seems to you) a vital part of the discussion to 
consider how they should be defined and protected - and what the likely 
impact of treating them in different ways might be. I think we also agree - 
as I tried very hard to argue - that matching these things to existing bits 
of law is a pointless exercise. Unless we are prepared to ask why these 
things should be protected we are unlikely to devise protection that is 
worthwhile. For instance...

>  Because if they are trademarks, then they should have to be assigned 
> forever, and all the current domain registration procedures would need to 
> be changed. And what about names that some national legislations admit to 
> be appropriated as trademarks, while other legislations don't (as common 
> nouns)?

I believe that in most jurisdictions trademarks last 10 years in the first 
instance. But I agree that trademark is a blunt instrument. My point is 
simpler: none of the existing legal instruments meets the combined 
challenge of technology and (economic) conduct. The purely administrative 
approach has failed the test of neutrality. Some form of rethink is needed. 
I remember when WIPO and WTO were arguing this issue in relation to 
copyright on the Internet. A strong faction felt that the solution lay in 
interpretation of existing law - an equally strong faction felt that a 
rethink was needed.

>(BTW, the domain names/trademarks paradox is akin to other one: do ccTLDs 
>represent _country names_? :)

Good point, esp. because (at least from the UK perspective) my 
understanding (and I am not a lawyer) it is not possible to trademark:
    * signs that cannot be graphically represented or are not 'capable of 
distinguishing';
    * trade marks that aren't distinctive;
    * trade marks that only indicate the kind, quality, value, geography or 
other such characteristics of goods or services;
    * trade marks that are recognised signs which are customary in trade; 
and specially protected emblems.
Also - and this relates to the side-discussion on spam insofar as it 
includes overt forms of 'phishing' like cybersquatting - certain kinds of 
marks may be relatively refused registration, including those identical or 
similar to earlier marks registered for identical or similar goods or 
services which are likely to confuse the public.

But my main point was to stress that I regard domain names as intellectual 
property (with lower-case 'i' and 'p') and that I think behaviour within 
technical regulation and/or 'pure' administration has consequences that 
critically affect internet governance (with upper- or lower-case 'I' and 'G').

rest snipped for brevity....

Cheers,

Jonathan

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From mh at wacc.org.uk  Mon Jan 31 10:27:27 2005
From: mh at wacc.org.uk (Myriam Horngren)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] DNS News, Vers une 'multigouvernance' de l'Internet?
Message-ID: <7414FB05C3419C42931F0911BE79061D4FEF6F@wacc-commserver.wacc.org.uk>

Apologies
I tried to recall a message I sent out this morning by accident to this
list that should have gone out to our webmaster but it might have got
out to you already. Sorry, it was a private email.
Bestest,
Myriam
WACC/CRIS

From karenb at gn.apc.org  Mon Jan 31 10:29:50 2005
From: karenb at gn.apc.org (karen banks)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Translation
In-Reply-To: <A0E19BF31237DE4A9B1FF1E122FAC13A0C8A7155@ADMCLUSTER.njitdm
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References: <A0E19BF31237DE4A9B1FF1E122FAC13A0C8A7155@ADMCLUSTER.njitdm.campus.njit.edu>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050131102853.032950d0@pop.gn.apc.org>

dear michael

>I have over the years used this service on occasion for translation and 
>for precis preparation for various on-line processes I've been involved with.
>
>I have been surprised that these resources haven't been more extensively 
>used in this context to this point.
>         For registered users of
>         UNV's Online Volunteering site
>         (http://www.onlinevolunteering.org)

thanks for this, and i am aware of them and in fact APC uses them. But, 
there is quite a lengthy registration/admin process which i'm afraid i 
never got around to.. but i will write and see if they can help out quickly..

karen


From j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk  Mon Jan 31 10:32:35 2005
From: j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk (Jonathan Cave)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : Strategic priorities for WGIG
In-Reply-To: <1106923309.31097.44.camel@michelle>
References: <s1f92838.007@gwia201.syr.edu>
 <6.2.0.14.2.20050128085515.024630e8@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>
 <1106923309.31097.44.camel@michelle>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050131102949.03130ae8@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>

At 14:41 28/01/2005, Federico Heinz wrote:
>On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 09:05 +0000, Jonathan Cave wrote:
> > In my view, an IG group that did not consider IP would be like a 
> traffic authority that ignored land ownership.
>
>Beyond the extreme oversimplification implied in the metaphor, I think it 
>kind of fails to make your point, precisely because a traffic authority 
>has no bussiness setting policy on land ownership or its enforcement.

I was not aware that WGIG was setting policy:-)

>All it cares about is keeping the cars flowing in an orderly fashion, it 
>is none of its bussiness whether a car's destination is the driver's 
>property or not.

See subsequent discussions relating to IP and spam - the metaphor sounds 
less throwaway than when I made it:-)

>Let's abandon the metaphor quickly, lest we end up discussing it instead 
>of the real issue at hand. Internet Governance is about keeping the 
>internet going smoothly, it's about the rules that are expected from a 
>good netizen, regardless of where she comes from. Unless we want software 
>to implement chinese-style censorship installed in all *our* routers, we 
>should try to keep this governance scope as narrow as possible, and avoid 
>setting policy on anything that is not strictly related to the internet as 
>such.

OK, fine - I'm not on the WGIG, didn't think they were setting policy, but 
do think these issues are worth discussing - somewhere...


>         Fede
>
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From philbu at gmx.net  Mon Jan 31 10:52:33 2005
From: philbu at gmx.net (Philipp Budka)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS participation
Message-ID: <15081.1107168753@www56.gmx.net>

Dear List,

I couldn't find any infos on the below question on the WSIS website, so 
maybe someone on the list can help me. 
Is it possible to attend the WSIS in Tunis as a private person (academic) 
without accredited NGO background? And how can I register for the summit?
I am grateful for any help. 
Thanks,

Philipp

-- 
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From lists at mraihi.com  Mon Jan 31 12:59:56 2005
From: lists at mraihi.com (Marouen MRAIHI)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS participation
In-Reply-To: <15081.1107168753@www56.gmx.net>
References: <15081.1107168753@www56.gmx.net>
Message-ID: <25774.213.150.189.250.1107176396.squirrel@213.150.189.250>

The answer is NO

If you do not belong to a gov. delegation or to private sector company you
are automaticly a CS member (an observer). You have to get the
accreditation for you NGO or contact one of the NGOs already accredited to
see if they can  subscribe you with them.

Regards

Marouen MRAIHI
http://www.mraihi.com



On Mon, January 31, 2005 11:52 am, Philipp Budka said:
> Dear List,
>
> I couldn't find any infos on the below question on the WSIS website, so
> maybe someone on the list can help me.
> Is it possible to attend the WSIS in Tunis as a private person (academic)
> without accredited NGO background? And how can I register for the summit?
> I am grateful for any help.
> Thanks,
>
> Philipp
>
> --
> Philipp Budka
> philbu@gmx.net
> Rustengasse 5/10
> A-1150 Wien, Austria
> http://www.philbu.net
> http://www.lateinamerika-studien.at
> --


From vb at bertola.eu.org  Mon Jan 31 13:25:50 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : building consensus
In-Reply-To: <1107047292.2782.24.camel@michelle>
References: <41FBB2B6.7030709@info.unicaen.fr>
	 <6.2.0.14.2.20050129115946.02d06b38@funredes.org>
	 <1107047292.2782.24.camel@michelle>
Message-ID: <1107177951.3943.136.camel@croce.dyf.it>

Hi Fede, just a note:

Il giorno sab, 29-01-2005 alle 22:08 -0300, Federico Heinz ha scritto:
> If WGIG is to say anything about such issues, it ought to be something
> along the lines of "these issues that are outside the scope of internet
> governance, and fall under the authority of local governments."

To me, IPR is the plain example of where globalization has practically
deprived national governments of any power. Most governments do not do
much more than ratifying texts or at least philosophies that were
decided at the global level, for example at WTO (see the TRIPS treaty)
or by the US (IP-lobbied) government (see those countries who introduced
stronger protection of intellectual rights after negotiations with the
US regarding trade, such as Ukraine or Singapore).

Basically, if you refuse to fight this battle at the global level (note:
talking about global level in general now, not necessarily about the
Internet Governance global level), you'll never have a chance to win it
at the local one - your government will simply reply you "we're bound by
this international treaty, we're just following the international
trend".
-- 
vb.             [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...


From vb at bertola.eu.org  Mon Jan 31 13:46:53 2005
From: vb at bertola.eu.org (Vittorio Bertola)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : Strategic priorities for WGIG
In-Reply-To: <20050130042444.5aa0eef0.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>
References: <s1f92838.007@gwia201.syr.edu>
	 <6.2.0.14.2.20050128085515.024630e8@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>
	 <20050129032052.1303b176.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>
	 <41FB51F3.4050704@bertola.eu.org>
	 <20050130042444.5aa0eef0.echaparro@uolsinectis.com.ar>
Message-ID: <1107179218.3943.157.camel@croce.dyf.it>

Il giorno dom, 30-01-2005 alle 04:24 +0000, Enrique A. Chaparro ha
scritto:
> issues'' and ``Internet *governance* issues. By the way, I believe that
> ICANN as a governance body is a fiasco and has not lived up to our
>  expectations (but those of the corporate world), by not doing what
> it was required to do, and by doing what it has not been requested to.

I do not share the point about the supposed "mission creep", but I share
the idea that ICANN has been much more focused on (or controlled by, if
you prefer) the Internet industry than on the Internet public, and share
the list of evils you thoroughly describe below (which, BTW, is the
reason why the IG Caucus tends to support ICANN rather than the other
solutions that realistically could be put in place).

> To accomplish these goals, there shouldn't be more than one (and just
> one) level of representation between that community and the people
> entrusted with the governance powers.

Beware - do you imagine 1'000'000'000 Internet users directly electing,
say, 10 members of the "Internet governance group"? I don't think it
would work in practice. It would be a game for capture, English
speakers, and well organized (and funded) individuals.

> fourth paragraphs of my message. However, if both of us agree on a
> mail protocol distinct from SMTP, not using already allocated port
> and protocol numbers (let's say, BCUMTP, the Bertola-Chaparro
> Unreliable Mail Transfer Protocol, using port 54321) we can still
> use the Internet without breaking any standards. So, in fact, the
> issue seems to require a little more explanation:
> - Internet standards are rules, that can be expressed in a declarative
>   language.
> - Such rules can be expressed as: IF (your_role_in_the_Internet)
>   YOU MUST (do_something), e.g., if your host's port 25 is open,
>   you must accept and reply an incoming HELO
> Sorry for the oversimplification, but I'm sure you get the idea.
> Do you think that governance should extend to the BCUMTP? And if
> so, why?

Let's supposed that tomorrow Bertola and Chaparro are hired by a well
known software manufacturer which controls 80% or so of the operating
systems market. This manufacturer, all of a sudden, makes so that all
its operating systems and applications will stop talking SMTP and start
talking BCUMTP, which unfortunately is a proprietary and patented
protocol which other manufacturers, or free software developers, cannot
implement.

Doesn't this look to you like a situation that needs governance?

Or, let's say that tomorrow, in a free and open IETF working group, a
bunch of ten male and white engineers decides that in the next version
of SMTP, to prevent spam, you will be required to identify yourself to
be able to send an e-mail - otherwise the server MUST reply "-ERR Sender
identification required." So, in a few years from now, you will not be
able to send an e-mail anonymously.

Or, let's say that whoever runs the .com registry suddenly changes the
behaviour of their servers, so that, whenever you ask for a non-existing
domain name, rather than replying "NOT EXIST" they say it exists, and it
belongs to the registry, which will then send you back advertising; and
this would break applications for the rest of the world. Hey! This one
already happened, and the world discovered that there were no 100% safe
legal bases under which this could be prevented...

I'm not saying that top-down governance is the right solution to
everything. But I'm saying that "no governance", in a competitive and
hostile environment such as the mass Internet, is just going to turn the
network into a jungle, where the strongest wins and the users have no
rights or powers.

> I wonder if this point is the focus of our controversy. Your
> statement can be read as ``everything that is in the Internet
> requires some kind of formal governance'', while I believe that
> the scope of IG must be very limited. The best way to avoid
> power abuse is by not having it :)

But what happens if no one has the power to stop bad things from
happening? The issue, to me, is to build the right governance framework
with the right powers and accountability. None of the extreme solutions
of "no governance at all" or "total governance" may work.
-- 
vb.             [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...


From rguerra at lists.privaterra.org  Mon Jan 31 13:35:40 2005
From: rguerra at lists.privaterra.org (Robert Guerra)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: WGIG - Caucuses meeting?
Message-ID: <p06210202be23e48e904c@[10.0.1.2]>

Have added the dates and times mentioned to the Tentative Schedule 
being developed on the PrepCom II wilki . Address for the detailed 
day by day schedule is at :

http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/wiki/index.php/WSIS_Prepcom_II:_Tentative_Schedule

again - many thanks to Andy Carvin and the Digital divide network for 
providing this wonderful resource..

regards

Robert

--
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Managing Director, Privaterra <http://www.privaterra.org>


On 31-Jan-05, at 7:07 AM, karen banks wrote:

dear adina

We will confirm our request for meetings in relation to Internet 
Governance by this afternoon.

I wonder if at this point you could pencil in a request for the 
evening of the 15th - say 1900-2100 - but i imagine that would be 
without translation, is that correct, if so, we may have to adjust or 
find voluntary translation services.

Many thanks

karen

karen

just to remind you that 13th it's Sun, we do not have the possibility 
to access the Palais during w/e. If you want to stick to 13th, then 
we can suggest CONGO office as premises (no translation, no technical 
facilities). As of 14th, we have access to the Palais. (FYI, 16th 
looks VERY busy at this stage, and no chance to change)

I am in the process of putting together (once I have confirmation for 
the pencil bookings) a provisional programme of PC2. Hopefully, it'll 
be circulated by mid this week.

Further should you require more, pls let me know yr EXACT requests ASAP.


-- 
###
Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
Privaterra - <http://www.privaterra.org>

From acarvin at edc.org  Mon Jan 31 14:01:04 2005
From: acarvin at edc.org (Andy Carvin)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: WGIG - Caucuses meeting?
In-Reply-To: <p06210202be23e48e904c@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06210202be23e48e904c@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <41FE3A20.1090408@edc.org>

Thanks, Robert - and a big thanks to you as well for spurring us into 
action.... -andy

Robert Guerra wrote:
> Have added the dates and times mentioned to the Tentative Schedule being 
> developed on the PrepCom II wilki . Address for the detailed day by day 
> schedule is at :
> 
> http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/wiki/index.php/WSIS_Prepcom_II:_Tentative_Schedule 
> 
> 
> again - many thanks to Andy Carvin and the Digital divide network for 
> providing this wonderful resource..
> 
> regards
> 
> Robert
> 
> -- 
> Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>
> Managing Director, Privaterra <http://www.privaterra.org>
> 
> 
-- 
-----------------------------------
Andy Carvin
Program Director
EDC Center for Media & Community
acarvin @ edc . org
http://www.digitaldivide.net
http://www.tsunami-info.org
Blog: http://www.andycarvin.com
-----------------------------------

From gurstein at ADM.NJIT.EDU  Mon Jan 31 14:13:23 2005
From: gurstein at ADM.NJIT.EDU (Gurstein, Michael)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : Strategic priorities for WGIG
Message-ID: <A0E19BF31237DE4A9B1FF1E122FAC13A0C8B7C0F@ADMCLUSTER.njitdm.campus.njit.edu>

Presumably the problem isn't "governance" or even "central governance"
per se, but rather the means by which that governance is achieved as for
example, whether it is done by means of open and transparent and broadly
democratic/participative processes or whether it is done by fiat through
second order governmental processes (governments responding to
politicians who, having achieved power on the basis of other issues,
begin legislating on these issues); bureaucratic processes (bureaucrats
with greater but usually lesser processes of accountability to
politcians q.v. making decisions in this area without any clear path for
broader public control in the public interest); technocrats making
decisionswith no accountability to anyone except their own consciences
and sometimes rather narrow understanding of the public interest; or
corporations with even less accountability (their accountability
structures can be seen as a negative element since they frequently work
in opposition or at least transversely to a public interest...

If Civil Society isn't concerned with governance processes that allow
for effective control by and for the public interest then who will be?

MG

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] On
Behalf Of Vittorio Bertola
Sent: January 31, 2005 2:47 PM
To: WSIS Plenary
Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : Strategic priorities for WGIG


Il giorno dom, 30-01-2005 alle 04:24 +0000, Enrique A. Chaparro ha
scritto:
> issues'' and ``Internet *governance* issues. By the way, I believe 
> that ICANN as a governance body is a fiasco and has not lived up to 
> our  expectations (but those of the corporate world), by not doing 
> what it was required to do, and by doing what it has not been 
> requested to.

I do not share the point about the supposed "mission creep", but I share
the idea that ICANN has been much more focused on (or controlled by, if
you prefer) the Internet industry than on the Internet public, and share
the list of evils you thoroughly describe below (which, BTW, is the
reason why the IG Caucus tends to support ICANN rather than the other
solutions that realistically could be put in place).

> To accomplish these goals, there shouldn't be more than one (and just
> one) level of representation between that community and the people 
> entrusted with the governance powers.

Beware - do you imagine 1'000'000'000 Internet users directly electing,
say, 10 members of the "Internet governance group"? I don't think it
would work in practice. It would be a game for capture, English
speakers, and well organized (and funded) individuals.

> fourth paragraphs of my message. However, if both of us agree on a 
> mail protocol distinct from SMTP, not using already allocated port and

> protocol numbers (let's say, BCUMTP, the Bertola-Chaparro Unreliable 
> Mail Transfer Protocol, using port 54321) we can still use the 
> Internet without breaking any standards. So, in fact, the issue seems 
> to require a little more explanation:
> - Internet standards are rules, that can be expressed in a declarative
>   language.
> - Such rules can be expressed as: IF (your_role_in_the_Internet)
>   YOU MUST (do_something), e.g., if your host's port 25 is open,
>   you must accept and reply an incoming HELO
> Sorry for the oversimplification, but I'm sure you get the idea. Do 
> you think that governance should extend to the BCUMTP? And if so, why?

Let's supposed that tomorrow Bertola and Chaparro are hired by a well
known software manufacturer which controls 80% or so of the operating
systems market. This manufacturer, all of a sudden, makes so that all
its operating systems and applications will stop talking SMTP and start
talking BCUMTP, which unfortunately is a proprietary and patented
protocol which other manufacturers, or free software developers, cannot
implement.

Doesn't this look to you like a situation that needs governance?

Or, let's say that tomorrow, in a free and open IETF working group, a
bunch of ten male and white engineers decides that in the next version
of SMTP, to prevent spam, you will be required to identify yourself to
be able to send an e-mail - otherwise the server MUST reply "-ERR Sender
identification required." So, in a few years from now, you will not be
able to send an e-mail anonymously.

Or, let's say that whoever runs the .com registry suddenly changes the
behaviour of their servers, so that, whenever you ask for a non-existing
domain name, rather than replying "NOT EXIST" they say it exists, and it
belongs to the registry, which will then send you back advertising; and
this would break applications for the rest of the world. Hey! This one
already happened, and the world discovered that there were no 100% safe
legal bases under which this could be prevented...

I'm not saying that top-down governance is the right solution to
everything. But I'm saying that "no governance", in a competitive and
hostile environment such as the mass Internet, is just going to turn the
network into a jungle, where the strongest wins and the users have no
rights or powers.

> I wonder if this point is the focus of our controversy. Your statement

> can be read as ``everything that is in the Internet requires some kind

> of formal governance'', while I believe that the scope of IG must be 
> very limited. The best way to avoid power abuse is by not having it :)

But what happens if no one has the power to stop bad things from
happening? The issue, to me, is to build the right governance framework
with the right powers and accountability. None of the extreme solutions
of "no governance at all" or "total governance" may work.
-- 
vb.             [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...

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From airetg at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 15:09:46 2005
From: airetg at gmail.com (Yulia Timofeeva)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue
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Just a small observation from the above discussion: those who would
put spam on the list of priorities have very different ideas of its
purpose. One tendency is ?to protect the world from spam" (because of
the costs, etc.), the other tendency is ?to protect the world from
protection from spam" (to ensure that no legitimate mail is filtered,
etc.).

I am not quite sure that spam should be included at all but if yes,
then in the second alternative (at least, for raising awareness and
the like). The first one is really not much different from other
issues that are to be solved at the local level (starting from legal
definition of spam and so on).

Yulia

From airetg at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 15:09:46 2005
From: airetg at gmail.com (Yulia Timofeeva)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue
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Just a small observation from the above discussion: those who would
put spam on the list of priorities have very different ideas of its
purpose. One tendency is ?to protect the world from spam" (because of
the costs, etc.), the other tendency is ?to protect the world from
protection from spam" (to ensure that no legitimate mail is filtered,
etc.).

I am not quite sure that spam should be included at all but if yes,
then in the second alternative (at least, for raising awareness and
the like). The first one is really not much different from other
issues that are to be solved at the local level (starting from legal
definition of spam and so on).

Yulia

From j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk  Mon Jan 31 15:35:20 2005
From: j.a.k.cave at warwick.ac.uk (Jonathan Cave)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue
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It's not clear to this observer how local legal action can begin to tackle 
this issue.

Already in 2002, Europe paid ?2.25 Billion in lost productivity due to 
spam, according to Erkki Liikanen then European Commissioner for IT. The EU 
is trying to do something about it, but most spam comes from outside its 
borders (back then, the US and China were the main sources). What incentive 
do net supplier regimes have to act against spam?

Corresponding to the two perspectives you identify, I see two scenarios: 
collective, hopefully global and voluntarily coordinated action; or 
Draconian unilateral responses (opting out by specific communities, 
censorship of traffic from rogue domains', strict ISP liability, etc.) that 
could radically cut the connectivity and utility of the Internet.

I don't think the 'corner solutions' (global government or a lasez-faire 
trip further into the swamp) are sustainable.

Cheers,

J.

At 15:09 31/01/2005, you wrote:
>Just a small observation from the above discussion: those who would
>put spam on the list of priorities have very different ideas of its
>purpose. One tendency is ?to protect the world from spam" (because of
>the costs, etc.), the other tendency is ?to protect the world from
>protection from spam" (to ensure that no legitimate mail is filtered,
>etc.).
>
>I am not quite sure that spam should be included at all but if yes,
>then in the second alternative (at least, for raising awareness and
>the like). The first one is really not much different from other
>issues that are to be solved at the local level (starting from legal
>definition of spam and so on).
>
>Yulia
>_______________________________________________
>Plenary mailing list
>Plenary@wsis-cs.org
>http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
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From jrmathia at maxwell.syr.edu  Mon Jan 31 15:47:12 2005
From: jrmathia at maxwell.syr.edu (John Mathiason)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue
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I tend to agree with Jonathan's analysis.  The problem is finding a way 
to control "outliers" --persons or companies that violate Internet 
norms (which, of course, are not yet even agreed) but are not resident 
(or using servers in) countries that are trying to deal with spam and 
are taking advantage of the borderless nature of the Internet.  My own 
preference is to have an international agreement on the norm (including 
an agreement about what constitutes "spam") and an understanding that 
any state that doesn't deal with it is in violation of the norm.  The 
danger with individual governments, in the absence of an agreed norm, 
dealing with spam is exactly what Yulia has suggested, that it will be 
used to eliminate legitimate expression.  If, however, there is a 
international understanding about the norm, national laws can 
consistently deal with it.   Of course, the next problem is how to 
agree on the norm.

Regards,

John



On Jan 31, 2005, at 10:35, Jonathan Cave wrote:

>
>  It's not clear to this observer how local legal action can begin to 
> tackle this issue.
>
>  Already in 2002, Europe paid ?2.25 Billion in lost productivity due 
> to spam, according to Erkki Liikanen then European Commissioner for 
> IT. The EU is trying to do something about it, but most spam comes 
> from outside its borders (back then, the US and China were the main 
> sources). What incentive do net supplier regimes have to act against 
> spam?
>
>  Corresponding to the two perspectives you identify, I see two 
> scenarios: collective, hopefully global and voluntarily coordinated 
> action; or Draconian unilateral responses (opting out by specific 
> communities, censorship of traffic from rogue domains', strict ISP 
> liability, etc.) that could radically cut the connectivity and utility 
> of the Internet.
>
>  I don't think the 'corner solutions' (global government or a 
> lasez-faire trip further into the swamp) are sustainable.
>
>  Cheers,
>
>  J.
>
> At 15:09 31/01/2005, you wrote:
>
> Just a small observation from the above discussion: those who would
>  put spam on the list of priorities have very different ideas of its
>  purpose. One tendency is ?to protect the world from spam" (because of
>  the costs, etc.), the other tendency is ?to protect the world from
>  protection from spam" (to ensure that no legitimate mail is filtered,
>  etc.).
>
>  I am not quite sure that spam should be included at all but if yes,
>  then in the second alternative (at least, for raising awareness and
>  the like). The first one is really not much different from other
>  issues that are to be solved at the local level (starting from legal
>  definition of spam and so on).
>
>  Yulia
>  _______________________________________________
>  Plenary mailing list
>  Plenary@wsis-cs.org
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary
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From airetg at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 16:12:30 2005
From: airetg at gmail.com (Yulia Timofeeva)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:47:12 -0500, John Mathiason
<jrmathia@maxwell.syr.edu> wrote:
>   My own
> preference is to have an international agreement on the norm (including
> an agreement about what constitutes "spam") and an understanding that
> any state that doesn't deal with it is in violation of the norm...
>   If, however, there is a
> international understanding about the norm, national laws can
> consistently deal with it.   Of course, the next problem is how to
> agree on the norm.

I agree, but exactly that is why spam is not an issue for WGIG.
Governments can agree on legal definition of spam without involvement
of civil society ? it's one of the few areas where I would trust them
:)

Best,
Yulia

From beja2310 at yahoo.fr  Mon Jan 31 17:08:55 2005
From: beja2310 at yahoo.fr (amel bejaoui)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] pour information
Message-ID: <20050131170855.69848.qmail@web26604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

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From fheinz at vialibre.org.ar  Mon Jan 31 18:06:51 2005
From: fheinz at vialibre.org.ar (Federico Heinz)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue
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On Sun, 2005-01-30 at 17:46 +0100, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
> (Possibly it's just that I'm too pessimistic to think that a liberalized 
> and self-regulating approach will always be respectful of everyone's 
> rights...)

I think there's a misunderstanding here: advocating for the WGIG not to
address these issues is not the same as advocating for self-regulation.
It is rather advocating for leaving the issues for each society/
real-world governments to regulate as they see fit. Any excess
regulation on the side of the Internet may prevent societies from
implementing what *they* consider valuable regulation.

	Fede

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From fheinz at vialibre.org.ar  Mon Jan 31 18:10:28 2005
From: fheinz at vialibre.org.ar (Federico Heinz)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] IPR : building consensus
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On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 14:25 +0100, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
> Hi Fede, just a note: [...]
> Basically, if you refuse to fight this battle at the global level (note:
> talking about global level in general now, not necessarily about the
> Internet Governance global level), you'll never have a chance to win it
> at the local one

I haven't seen anybody argue that we should not fight this battle at the
international level. Some people are just arguing against including
these issues specifically in WGIG's charter, not against addressing the
issues at all.

	Fede

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From Mueller at syr.edu  Mon Jan 31 19:53:04 2005
From: Mueller at syr.edu (Milton Mueller)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:24 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Spam as an issue
Message-ID: <s1fe4654.026@gwia201.syr.edu>

>>> airetg@gmail.com 1/31/2005 11:12:30 AM >>>
>I agree, but exactly that is why spam is not an issue for WGIG.
>Governments can agree on legal definition of spam without involvement
>of civil society - it's one of the few areas where I would trust them
>:)

For the record, I don't believe that governments should be trusted to
deal with ANY global communication-information policy issues
independently of civil society input. I have too much experience of the
disjunction (chasm) between citizens interests/rights and the position
of my own national government. I am also more familiar than I would like
to be with the ability of international organizations (ICANN, WIPO,
UNESCO, CoE, you name it) to work for policies that promote their own
organizational interests above those of users. 



Dr. Milton Mueller
Syracuse University School of Information Studies
http://www.digital-convergence.org
http://www.internetgovernance.org


From adinafulgaradi at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 31 13:08:27 2005
From: adinafulgaradi at yahoo.com (Adina Fulga Radi)
Date: Thu Jul 26 18:19:25 2007
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: 16 Feb  meeting
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20050129143140.03c3bdd8@gpo.iol.ie>
Message-ID: <20050131130827.31169.qmail@web52010.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Pablo and ALL,
 
YES you do need a badge to access the Palais des Nations, may I remind everyone that security at the Palais has nothing to do with PALEXPO, CICG, ITU or any other places where you've attended meetings. We talk REAL security here.
 
You need accreditation AND registration in order to get in PrepCom2/Palais des Nations. Once you've attended previous WSIS events, you should be accredited (once you've participated in the WSIS prior events you are accredited for the whole process)
 
You need nevertheless to be registered for each event, PrepCom, conference etc.
 
All information regarding accreditation/registration available at:
http://www.itu.int/wsis/participation/accreditation/cs.html
 
As Sean has mentioned, we can always register people under our organisations, or as part of focal points (case in which you should ask YOUR focal point for username/password in order to register).
 
FYI, a provisional programme and an update logistics/information kit will be circulated by mid this week.
 
May I also remind everyone that in order to book your meeting requests accordingly, we need to know ASAP EXACTLY what you need. As we have to book interpreters, technical services and to avoid overlapping (if possible) we need to have a fair idea of your requests for meetings/caucuses/WGs/etc; as following:
 

-     Title of the meeting

-          Date 

-          Timing / Duration

-          Number of persons attending

-          Interpretation needed (English/French(Spanish)

-          Technical services required (over-head projector, flipcharts, etc)

 
Further should you require more information on any of the above or WSIS PC2, please do not hesitate to contact me:
 
Adina Fulga Radi
CONGO Officer WSIS CS Secretariat
t. + 41 22 301 10 00
f. + 41 22 301 20 00


Sean O Siochru <sean@nexus.ie> wrote:
I think it would normally be.  They have tightened security a lot.  We can always accredit people under our own organisations, if needed.   

Sean 

At 15:20 28/01/2005 -0300, Pablo Accuosto wrote:


People from the ECLAC ask me about the access to the Palais on the 16th.
I assume a WSIS accreditation is necessary?
 
Thanks.
 
Pablo 

 

		
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