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<DIV><SPAN class=921235906-07122003><FONT color=#0000ff>Dear Thian and
all.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=921235906-07122003><FONT color=#0000ff>Including the longer
list of examples is one possibility. What is interesting is how
differently mental disabilities are defined, as you separate learning and
cognitive disabilities which are mental disabilities as intelligence and
learning are mental skills. Mental disabilities does not only refer
to emotional disorders but also to cognitive and intellectual
functioning. That is what I suggested "physical, mental,and other
disabilities", in the event some did not perceive a particular area falling into
the two basic (mind -body categories). Some view visual and hearing
disabilities as physical disabilities. I did not suggest only using
physical and added "and other" in view of your concerns.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=921235906-07122003><FONT color=#0000ff>I will be off line after
Sunday morning, as I am leaving for Geneva Sunday
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<DIV><SPAN class=921235906-07122003><FONT color=#0000ff>Best
regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=921235906-07122003><FONT
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
class=921235906-07122003> </SPAN>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
ct-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:ct-admin@wsis-cs.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Monthian
Buntan<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 07, 2003 1:46 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Elizabeth
Carll, PhD; Hiroshi Kawamura; pwd@wsis-cs.org<BR><B>Cc:</B> Sally Burch;
ct-drafting@wsis-cs.org; ct@wsis-cs.org; plenary@wsis-cs.org<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: [Pwd] (unicode) [WSIS-CT] RE: [Ct-drafting] URGENT: Please send COMMENTS on
CS declaration<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT size=3>Dear Elisabeth and
all:<BR><BR>I would like to suggest one way out of this problem by putting the
word "all types of disabilities. If you want an example to follow, the
only way to end concerns is to say "including but not limited to physical,
visual, hearing, cognitive, learning and mental disabilities. I'm afraid
that such approach will be too wordy, but will at least, sovle problems.
To simply say "physical" without mentioning visual, hear, cognitive and
learning, is not acceptable. It is better for us to seek for the most
inclusive term in this international document, rather than trying to narrow it
down, I think. Again, I confirm, the term "physica" is not
inclusive.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR><BR>Thian<BR><BR>At 01:17 PM 12/7/2003,
Elizabeth Carll, PhD wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite"><B>Dear Thian and
all,<BR></B> <BR><B>There is no problem with any of the phrases you are
suggesting for the paragraph below which you have suggested. However,
I would like to request that we also include a phrase as an example, such as
"Persons with disabilities, including mental, physical, and other. Is
there a problem with including mental disabilities as an example? In
many countries mental health services are disconnected from health
services.<BR></B> <BR><B>More than 400 million people are known to
suffer from mental and brain disorders and these numbers are expected to
rise sharply over the next few decades, particularly among people in the
developing world. Despite, the enormous social and economic burden so
created, more than 40% of the world’s countries have no articulated mental
health policy, and over 30% have no mental health programs.
<BR></B> <BR><B>I understand your concern, which is why I have
suggested using an example that includes mental disabilities in addition to
your phrase. Unfortunately in many countries it is important to
specify so as not to exclude, assuming that someone else's definition of all
disabilities includes mental disabilities is an assumption that may leave
people with out services. When identifying problems it is also
important to keep in mind how the services may be carried out in different
parts of the world and not to inadvertently leave loop
holes.<BR></B> <BR><B>The following is suggested for the paragraph you
have suggested which includes your description as well as an example
following. Is this acceptable? If not, please clarify the
reason. Hopefully this compromise achieves both our goals to be as
inclusive as possible.<BR></B> <BR><BR>3.1.9 Rights of persons with
disabilities, including mental, physical, and other;<BR><BR>In the inclusive
information society, the rights of persons with disabilities, including
mental, physical, and other, to have full and absolute equal access to
information and communications including ICTs, regardless of types and
degree of disabilities, must be ensured by laws and policies at all
levels. In order to achieve such goal, Universal Design principle and
the use of assistive technologies must be seriously promoted and supported
throughout the whole process of building and nurturing the information
society in which PWDs and their organizations must be allowed to participate
fully and on equal terms with non-disabled people.<BR> <BR><B>Best
regards,<BR></B> <BR><B>Elizabeth<BR></B> <BR><BR><B>Dr. Elizabeth
Carll<BR></B><BR><B>Focal Point<BR></B><BR><B>International Society for
Traumatic Stress Studies<BR></B><BR><B>Tel: 631-754-2424<BR></B><BR><B>Fax:
631-754-5032<BR></B><BR><B>ecarll@optonline.net</B><BR></FONT>
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<DD><FONT face=tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR>
<DD>From:</B> ct-admin@wsis-cs.org [<A
href="mailto:ct-admin@wsis-cs.org%5DOn"
eudora="autourl">mailto:ct-admin@wsis-cs.org]</A><A
href="mailto:ct-admin@wsis-cs.org%5DOn" eudora="autourl">On</A> Behalf Of
</B>Monthian Buntan<BR>
<DD>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 06, 2003 9:30 PM<BR>
<DD>To:</B> Hiroshi Kawamura; pwd@wsis-cs.org<BR>
<DD>Cc:</B> Sally Burch; ct-drafting@wsis-cs.org; ct@wsis-cs.org;
plenary@wsis-cs.org<BR>
<DD>Subject:</B> Re: [Pwd] (unicode) [WSIS-CT] RE: [Ct-drafting] URGENT:
Please send COMMENTS on CS declaration<BR><BR></FONT>
<DD><FONT size=3>Dear Hiroshi and all:<BR><BR>
<DD>If Hiroshi has some concern over the term "persons with disabilities",
although it has the broadest meaning, I would like to proposed the
possibly most inclusive and compromising (a bit wordy) term, "persons with
all types of disabilities." I believe such term, as I proposed, will
take care of all concerns we may have.<BR><BR>
<DD>As far as I know, in Japan, "physical disability" includes mobility,
sensory, intellectual, learning and autistic, but in many countries, such
term is very narrow and includes only mobility impairment.<BR><BR>
<DD>Best regards,<BR><BR>
<DD>Thian<BR><BR>
<DD>At 08:41 AM 12/7/2003, Monthian Buntan wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">
<DD>Dear Hiroshi:<BR><BR>
<DD>Thank you for your kind imput. However, I have some great
concern over the word mental and physical disabilities. Under many
circumstances, the word "physical disabilities" may not include sensory
impairment at all. At least in thailand, the term "physical
disabilities" refer only to persons with mobility impairment.
Therefore, I would prefer "persons with disabilities" as it speaks for
the broadest range of "disabilities" regardless of types and
severity.<BR><BR>
<DD>Please seriously take it into consideration or otherwise we may end
up exlcuding many people out of different understanding and
interpretation.<BR><BR>
<DD>Again, I confirm that "persons with disabilities" is absolutely
broader than "persons with physical and mental disabilities."<BR><BR>
<DD>Best regards,<BR><BR>
<DD>Thian<BR><BR>
<DD> At 11:14 PM 12/6/2003, Hiroshi Kawamura wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">
<DD>The following text is copied from WSIS-CT mailing list with
permission of<BR>
<DD>original author. --- Hiroshi<BR><BR>
<DD>----------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>
<DD>The paragraph posted by Sally Burch, below is the latest and most
accurate<BR>
<DD>version of the MENTAL AND PHYSICAL HEALTH CARE section for
inclusion in the<BR>
<DD>"PRINCIPLES, GOALS AND CHALLENGES section ( or possibly in Social
Justice<BR>
<DD>section), which I had submitted.<BR><BR>
<DD>The section should be titled; MENTAL AND
PHYSICAL HEALTH CARE<BR><BR>
<DD>The delivery of life-critical mental and physical health
information can be<BR>
<DD>facilitated and improved through ICT-based solutions. Lack of
access to<BR>
<DD>information and communication has been identified as a critical
factor in<BR>
<DD>the public mental and physical health crises around the world.
Experts have<BR>
<DD>suggested that providing citizens of underdeveloped countries with
community<BR>
<DD>level points of access to mental and physical health information
would be a<BR>
<DD>critical starting point for addressing the mental and physical
health care<BR>
<DD>crises. However, such access points should support more than
one-way flows<BR>
<DD>of information (for example, from expert to community or
patient).<BR>
<DD>Communities must be allowed to participate in the selection and
creation of<BR>
<DD>communication flows that they find useful and necessary to address
the<BR>
<DD>prevention, treatment, and promotion of mental and physical health
care for<BR>
<DD>all people.<BR><BR>
<DD>In addition, please note the following revisions in brackets,
which were<BR>
<DD>previously recommended but in latest draft have been
omitted. Please<BR>
<DD>re-insert. Most of these refer to specifying mental and
physical health, as<BR>
<DD>opposed to only physical, and should be included for consistency
and<BR>
<DD>clarity.<BR><BR>
<DD>3.2.4 Access to Information and the Means of Communication,
paragraph 3<BR><BR>
<DD>Specific needs and requirements of all stakeholders, including
those with<BR>
<DD>[mental and physical] disabilities, must be....<BR><BR>
<DD>3.2.5 Basic literacy, par 1 last sentence<BR><BR>
<DD>People-centered information technologies can foster eradication of
[mental<BR>
<DD>and physical] illnesses and epidemics, can help give everyone
food, shelter,<BR>
<DD>freedom and peace.<BR><BR>
<DD>3.2.5 Basic literacy, par 3 last sentence<BR><BR>
<DD>must include a focus on the needs of people who have [mental and]
physical<BR>
<DD>impairments and all means of transcending those impairments
...<BR><BR>
<DD>3.3.8 Human development ­ education and training, par 2<BR>
<DD> Literacy, education, and research efforts in the
Information Society must<BR>
<DD>include a focus on the needs of people who have [mental and]
physical<BR>
<DD>impairments and all means of transcending those
impairments....<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>In par 4 -<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>...special needs: those of young and elderly people, of women, of
people<BR>
<DD>with [mental and physical] impairments, of indigenous peoples, of
migrant<BR>
<DD>communities, of refugees and returnees in post-conflict
situations, in a<BR>
<DD>life-long perspective...<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>3.3.9 Information generation and knowledge development - research,
par 1,<BR>
<DD>sentence 3<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>Clear principles should be developed for the use and exploitation
of the<BR>
<DD>body of knowledge produced [e.g. Scientific research data should
be gender<BR>
<DD>and age disaggregated for mental and physical
health.]<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>4. Conclusion, par 2, last sentence<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>....the right to a standard of living adequate for the [mental and
physical]<BR>
<DD>health and well-being of the individual and his or her family,
including<BR>
<DD>food housing and (delete medical) [mental and physical
health]care.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>3.1.9 Rights of Persons with Disabilities: recommended by Monthian
Buntan<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>I also support the inclusion of the section below recommended by
Monthian<BR>
<DD>Buntan, however, I would recommend the following revisions to be
consistent<BR>
<DD>with the rest of the document. While it is helpful to
specify types and<BR>
<DD>degree of disabilities, these can be seen as referring to physical
only as<BR>
<DD>often mental and physical health care have been disconnected in
many<BR>
<DD>countries.<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>3.1.9 Rights of Persons with [Mental and Physical]
Disabilities:<BR><BR><BR>
<DD>In the inclusive information society, the rights of persons with
[mental and<BR>
<DD>physical] disabilities to have full and absolute equal access to
information<BR>
<DD>and communications including ICTs, regardless of types and degree
of<BR>
<DD>disabilities, must be ensured by laws and policies at all
levels. In order<BR>
<DD>to achieve such goal, Universal Design principle and the use of
assistive<BR>
<DD>technologies must be seriously promoted and supported throughout
the whole<BR>
<DD>process of building and nurturing the information society in which
PWDs and<BR>
<DD>their organizations must be allowed to participate fully and on
equal terms<BR>
<DD>with non-disabled people.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>Thank you for all your work on this. Look forward to meeting
everyone in<BR>
<DD>Geneva as hoping to arrive Monday morning, however, there is a
huge blizzard<BR>
<DD>and snowing now in New York and flights are
delayed.<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>Elizabeth<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>Dr. Elizabeth Carll<BR><BR>
<DD>Focal Point<BR><BR>
<DD>International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies<BR><BR>
<DD>Tel: 631-754-2424<BR><BR>
<DD>Fax: 631-754-5032<BR><BR>
<DD>ecarll@optonline.net<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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