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<font size=3>Dear Elisabeth:<br><br>
The only problem now is when you suggested "mental, physical and
others." Whenever you suggest "physical", you're
provoking lots of debate over "physical." The term
"physical disability" has never been inclusive. At least
the blindness and deafness communities will be unhappy. I for one
will consider withdrawing my involvement in this whole process should the
term"physical" be suggested without referring to visual and
hearing.<br><br>
Regards,<br><br>
Thian<br><br>
At 02:26 PM 12/7/2003, Elizabeth Carll, PhD wrote:<br>
</font><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font size=3 color="#0000FF">Dear
Thian and all.<br>
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</font><font size=3 color="#0000FF">Including the longer list of examples
is one possibility. What is interesting is how differently mental
disabilities are defined, as you separate learning and cognitive
disabilities which are mental disabilities as intelligence and learning
are mental skills. Mental disabilities does not only refer to emotional
disorders but also to cognitive and intellectual functioning. That
is what I suggested "physical, mental,and other disabilities",
in the event some did not perceive a particular area falling into the two
basic (mind -body categories). Some view visual and hearing
disabilities as physical disabilities. I did not suggest only using
physical and added "and other" in view of your concerns.<br>
</font><font size=3> <br>
</font><font size=3 color="#0000FF">I will be off line after Sunday
morning, as I am leaving for Geneva Sunday afternoon.<br>
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</font><font size=3 color="#0000FF">Best regards,<br>
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</font><font size=3 color="#0000FF">Elizabeth<br>
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</font><font size=3 color="#0000FF">Dr. Elizabeth Carll<br>
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</font><font size=3 color="#0000FF">Focal Point<br>
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</font><font size=3 color="#0000FF">International Society for Traumatic
Stress Studies<br>
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</font><font size=3 color="#0000FF">Tel: 1-631-754-2424<br>
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</font><font face="tahoma" size=2> -----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> ct-admin@wsis-cs.org
[<a href="mailto:ct-admin@wsis-cs.org" eudora="autourl">mailto:ct-admin@wsis-cs.org</a>]<b>On
Behalf Of </b>Monthian Buntan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 07, 2003 1:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Elizabeth Carll, PhD; Hiroshi Kawamura; pwd@wsis-cs.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Sally Burch; ct-drafting@wsis-cs.org; ct@wsis-cs.org;
plenary@wsis-cs.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Pwd] (unicode) [WSIS-CT] RE: [Ct-drafting] URGENT:
Please send COMMENTS on CS declaration<br><br>
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<dd><font size=3>Dear Elisabeth and all:<br><br>
<dd>I would like to suggest one way out of this problem by putting the
word "all types of disabilities. If you want an example to
follow, the only way to end concerns is to say "including but not
limited to physical, visual, hearing, cognitive, learning and mental
disabilities. I'm afraid that such approach will be too wordy, but
will at least, sovle problems. To simply say "physical"
without mentioning visual, hear, cognitive and learning, is not
acceptable. It is better for us to seek for the most inclusive term
in this international document, rather than trying to narrow it down, I
think. Again, I confirm, the term "physica" is not
inclusive.<br><br>
<dd>Best regards,<br><br>
<dd>Thian<br><br>
<dd>At 01:17 PM 12/7/2003, Elizabeth Carll, PhD wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>
<dd>Dear Thian and all,<br>
</b>
<dd> <br>
<dd>There is no problem with any of the phrases you are suggesting for
the paragraph below which you have suggested. However, I would like
to request that we also include a phrase as an example, such as
"Persons with disabilities, including mental, physical, and
other. Is there a problem with including mental disabilities as an
example? In many countries mental health services are disconnected
from health services.<br>
</b>
<dd> <br>
<dd>More than 400 million people are known to suffer from mental and
brain disorders and these numbers are expected to rise sharply over the
next few decades, particularly among people in the developing
world. Despite, the enormous social and economic burden so created,
more than 40% of the world’s countries have no articulated mental health
policy, and over 30% have no mental health programs. <br>
</b>
<dd> <br>
<dd>I understand your concern, which is why I have suggested using an
example that includes mental disabilities in addition to your
phrase. Unfortunately in many countries it is important to specify
so as not to exclude, assuming that someone else's definition of all
disabilities includes mental disabilities is an assumption that may leave
people with out services. When identifying problems it is also
important to keep in mind how the services may be carried out in
different parts of the world and not to inadvertently leave loop
holes.<br>
</b>
<dd> <br>
<dd>The following is suggested for the paragraph you have suggested which
includes your description as well as an example following. Is this
acceptable? If not, please clarify the reason. Hopefully this
compromise achieves both our goals to be as inclusive as possible.<br>
</b>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>3.1.9 Rights of persons with disabilities, including mental,
physical, and other;<br><br>
<dd>In the inclusive information society, the rights of persons with
disabilities, including mental, physical, and other, to have full and
absolute equal access to information and communications including ICTs,
regardless of types and degree of disabilities, must be ensured by laws
and policies at all levels. In order to achieve such goal,
Universal Design principle and the use of assistive technologies must be
seriously promoted and supported throughout the whole process of building
and nurturing the information society in which PWDs and their
organizations must be allowed to participate fully and on equal terms
with non-disabled people.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Best regards,<br>
</b>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Elizabeth<br>
</b>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>Dr. Elizabeth Carll<br>
</b><br>
<dd>Focal Point<br>
</b><br>
<dd>International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies<br>
</b><br>
<dd>Tel: 631-754-2424<br>
</b><br>
<dd>Fax: 631-754-5032<br>
</b><br>
<dd>ecarll@optonline.net</b></font>
<dd><font face="tahoma" size=2>-----Original Message-----
<dd>From: ct-admin@wsis-cs.org
[<a href="mailto:ct-admin@wsis-cs.org" eudora="autourl">mailto:ct-admin@wsis-cs.org</a>]On
Behalf Of Monthian Buntan
<dd>Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 9:30 PM
<dd>To: Hiroshi Kawamura; pwd@wsis-cs.org
<dd>Cc: Sally Burch; ct-drafting@wsis-cs.org; ct@wsis-cs.org;
plenary@wsis-cs.org
<dd>Subject: Re: [Pwd] (unicode) [WSIS-CT] RE: [Ct-drafting] URGENT:
Please send COMMENTS on CS declaration<br><br>
</font>
<dd><font size=3>Dear Hiroshi and all:<br>
<dd>If Hiroshi has some concern over the term "persons with
disabilities", although it has the broadest meaning, I would like to
proposed the possibly most inclusive and compromising (a bit wordy) term,
"persons with all types of disabilities." I believe such
term, as I proposed, will take care of all concerns we may have.<br>
<dd>As far as I know, in Japan, "physical disability" includes
mobility, sensory, intellectual, learning and autistic, but in many
countries, such term is very narrow and includes only mobility
impairment.<br>
<dd>Best regards,<br>
<dd>Thian<br>
<dd>At 08:41 AM 12/7/2003, Monthian Buntan
wrote:<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>
<dd>Dear Hiroshi:<br>
<dd>Thank you for your kind imput. However, I have some great
concern over the word mental and physical disabilities. Under many
circumstances, the word "physical disabilities" may not include
sensory impairment at all. At least in thailand, the term
"physical disabilities" refer only to persons with mobility
impairment. Therefore, I would prefer "persons with
disabilities" as it speaks for the broadest range of
"disabilities" regardless of types and severity.<br>
<dd>Please seriously take it into consideration or otherwise we may end
up exlcuding many people out of different understanding and
interpretation.<br>
<dd>Again, I confirm that "persons with disabilities" is
absolutely broader than "persons with physical and mental
disabilities."<br>
<dd>Best regards,<br>
<dd>Thian<br>
<dd> At 11:14 PM 12/6/2003, Hiroshi Kawamura
wrote:<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>
<dd>The following text is copied from WSIS-CT mailing list with
permission of
<dd>original author. --- Hiroshi<br><br>
<dd>----------------------------------------------------<br>
<dd>The paragraph posted by Sally Burch, below is the latest and most
accurate
<dd>version of the MENTAL AND PHYSICAL HEALTH CARE section for inclusion
in the
<dd>"PRINCIPLES, GOALS AND CHALLENGES section ( or possibly in
Social Justice
<dd>section), which I had submitted.<br>
<dd>The section should be titled; MENTAL AND PHYSICAL
HEALTH CARE<br>
<dd>The delivery of life-critical mental and physical health information
can be
<dd>facilitated and improved through ICT-based solutions. Lack of access
to
<dd>information and communication has been identified as a critical
factor in
<dd>the public mental and physical health crises around the world.
Experts have
<dd>suggested that providing citizens of underdeveloped countries with
community
<dd>level points of access to mental and physical health information
would be a
<dd>critical starting point for addressing the mental and physical health
care
<dd>crises. However, such access points should support more than one-way
flows
<dd>of information (for example, from expert to community or patient).
<dd>Communities must be allowed to participate in the selection and
creation of
<dd>communication flows that they find useful and necessary to address
the
<dd>prevention, treatment, and promotion of mental and physical health
care for
<dd>all people.<br>
<dd>In addition, please note the following revisions in brackets, which
were
<dd>previously recommended but in latest draft have been omitted.
Please
<dd>re-insert. Most of these refer to specifying mental and
physical health, as
<dd>opposed to only physical, and should be included for consistency
and
<dd>clarity.<br>
<dd>3.2.4 Access to Information and the Means of Communication, paragraph
3<br>
<dd>Specific needs and requirements of all stakeholders, including those
with
<dd>[mental and physical] disabilities, must be....<br>
<dd>3.2.5 Basic literacy, par 1 last sentence<br>
<dd>People-centered information technologies can foster eradication of
[mental
<dd>and physical] illnesses and epidemics, can help give everyone food,
shelter,
<dd>freedom and peace.<br>
<dd>3.2.5 Basic literacy, par 3 last sentence<br>
<dd>must include a focus on the needs of people who have [mental and]
physical
<dd>impairments and all means of transcending those impairments ...<br>
<dd>3.3.8 Human development education and training, par 2
<dd> Literacy, education, and research efforts in the Information
Society must
<dd>include a focus on the needs of people who have [mental and]
physical
<dd>impairments and all means of transcending those impairments....<br>
<br>
<br>
<dd>In par 4 -<br>
<br>
<br>
<dd>...special needs: those of young and elderly people, of women, of
people
<dd>with [mental and physical] impairments, of indigenous peoples, of
migrant
<dd>communities, of refugees and returnees in post-conflict situations,
in a
<dd>life-long perspective...<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<dd>3.3.9 Information generation and knowledge development - research,
par 1,
<dd>sentence 3<br>
<br>
<br>
<dd>Clear principles should be developed for the use and exploitation of
the
<dd>body of knowledge produced [e.g. Scientific research data should be
gender
<dd>and age disaggregated for mental and physical health.]<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<dd>4. Conclusion, par 2, last sentence<br>
<br>
<br>
<dd>....the right to a standard of living adequate for the [mental and
physical]
<dd>health and well-being of the individual and his or her family,
including
<dd>food housing and (delete medical) [mental and physical
health]care.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<dd>3.1.9 Rights of Persons with Disabilities: recommended by Monthian
Buntan<br>
<br>
<br>
<dd>I also support the inclusion of the section below recommended by
Monthian
<dd>Buntan, however, I would recommend the following revisions to be
consistent
<dd>with the rest of the document. While it is helpful to specify
types and
<dd>degree of disabilities, these can be seen as referring to physical
only as
<dd>often mental and physical health care have been disconnected in
many
<dd>countries.<br>
<br>
<br>
<dd>3.1.9 Rights of Persons with [Mental and Physical]
Disabilities:<br>
<br>
<dd>In the inclusive information society, the rights of persons with
[mental and
<dd>physical] disabilities to have full and absolute equal access to
information
<dd>and communications including ICTs, regardless of types and degree
of
<dd>disabilities, must be ensured by laws and policies at all
levels. In order
<dd>to achieve such goal, Universal Design principle and the use of
assistive
<dd>technologies must be seriously promoted and supported throughout the
whole
<dd>process of building and nurturing the information society in which
PWDs and
<dd>their organizations must be allowed to participate fully and on equal
terms
<dd>with non-disabled people.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<dd>Thank you for all your work on this. Look forward to meeting
everyone in
<dd>Geneva as hoping to arrive Monday morning, however, there is a huge
blizzard
<dd>and snowing now in New York and flights are delayed.<br>
<br>
<br>
<dd>Elizabeth<br>
<br>
<br>
<dd>Dr. Elizabeth Carll<br>
<dd>Focal Point<br>
<dd>International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies<br>
<dd>Tel: 631-754-2424<br>
<dd>Fax: 631-754-5032<br>
<dd>ecarll@optonline.net<br>
<br>
<br>
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