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<font size=3>Dear Hiroshi:<br><br>
Thanks a lot for your conclusion. There're some times when
generalized terms are much less controvertial.<br><br>
Cheers,<br><br>
Thian<br><br>
PS: For those of you, who will be in Geneva, I'll be arriving tomorrow
morning (December 9) and will stay at the Crown Plaza Hotel. Hope
to see you soon.<br><br>
At 04:33 AM 12/8/2003, Hiroshi Kawamura wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Dear Elizabeth, Monthian, Aldred
and all:<br><br>
Please permit me to post multiple lists since it concerns all of
them:<br><br>
Regarding the wording for "persons with disabilities", at this
point, we had<br>
better stick to the best available UN standard language to form a
consensus<br>
namely "persons with disabilities".<br>
Actual inclusion of those all types of persons with disabilities need to
be<br>
more encouraged and promoted.<br>
For your information, the Global Forum on Disability in the
Information<br>
Society, a Summit Event, on 12th December at Hall 2 of Palexpo will
include<br>
presentations of and for persons with mental disorder, autism,
dyslexia,<br>
intellectual disability in addition to physical or sensory
disabilities.<br><br>
Best<br><br>
Hiroshi<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: Elizabeth Carll, PhD<br>
To: Monthian Buntan ; aneufel1@telus.net ; Hiroshi Kawamura<br>
Cc: pwd@wsis-cs.org ; Rik Panganiban ; wsis-cs-plenary ;
ct@wsis-cs.org<br>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:11 AM<br>
Subject: RE: [Pwd] (unicode) [WSIS-CT] RE: [Ct-drafting] Please
clarify<br><br>
<br>
Dear All,<br><br>
I appreciate the comments below and agree with Thian as to the term
"persons<br>
with all types of disabilities" or persons with disabilities,
as long as<br>
the the health section and conclusion includes access to
information<br>
specifically for both physical and mental health. I will review
and<br>
comment.<br><br>
Best regards,<br><br>
Elizabeth<br><br>
Dr. Elizabeth Carll<br>
Focal Point<br>
International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies<br>
Tel: 631-754-2424<br>
Fax: 631-754-5032<br>
ecarll@optonline.net<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: pwd-admin@wsis-cs.org
[<a href="mailto:pwd-admin@wsis-cs.org%5DOn" eudora="autourl">mailto:pwd-admin@wsis-cs.org]On</a>
Behalf Of<br>
Monthian Buntan<br>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:47 AM<br>
To: aneufel1@telus.net; Hiroshi Kawamura<br>
Cc: pwd@wsis-cs.org<br>
Subject: Re: [Pwd] (unicode) [WSIS-CT] RE: [Ct-drafting] Please
clarify<br><br>
<br>
Dear all:<br><br>
When I suggest section 3.1.9, my main intention is address the matter
of<br>
fundamental rights. Therefore, I don't see any point in trying to
list all<br>
categories of disabilities. However, when some of us voice their
concerns<br>
whether mental disability, which I believe, is also subject to be<br>
differently interpreted, I suggest the term "persons with all types
of<br>
disabilties." Then there was a counterproposal to say
"persons with<br>
disabilities" including mental, physical and others. My
conclusion is that<br>
we should not provoke any debate on these terms here. My concern is
that<br>
we're at risk of confusing the whole civil society if we try to come up
with<br>
words like these. I myself, and many in the blindness and
deafness<br>
communities, will be unhappy if the term "physical" is being
used without<br>
referring to visual and hearing. And I'm not sure if LD or autistic
people<br>
are happy or not to be included under the term "mental
disability."<br><br>
After all, I believe the term "persons with all types of
disabilities",<br>
though a bit wordy, is the most inclusive and most
compromising.<br><br>
Best regards,<br><br>
Thian<br><br>
At 05:12 PM 12/7/2003, aneufel1@telus.net wrote:<br><br>
Hello Hiroshi<br>
I am a little confused. Does the following suggest that previous
agreements<br>
providing assurance for accessibility by people with all types of
impairment<br>
(ie. mental and physical) is at risk?<br><br>
Monthian's subsequent e-mail suggests to me that it may be, though
my<br>
reading of<br>
the material below is that it speaks primarily to the way in which
health<br>
information may be provided - and the added point that people with
mental<br>
impairments of various kinds not be excluded. Please clarify.<br><br>
In terms of wording, it seems to me we are much better off talking
about<br>
'health<br>
information' than the phrase 'health care information'. The latter
could be<br>
limited to 'care' provisions and issues. I would think we should
promote<br>
open<br>
access to all kinds of information, including research on
health.<br><br>
Aldred Neufeldt<br>
Chair, GLADNET<br><br>
Quoting Hiroshi Kawamura <hkawa@attglobal.net>:<br><br>
> The following text is copied from WSIS-CT mailing list with
permission of<br>
> original author. --- Hiroshi<br>
><br>
> ----------------------------------------------------<br>
><br>
> The paragraph posted by Sally Burch, below is the latest and most
accurate<br>
> version of the MENTAL AND PHYSICAL HEALTH CARE section for inclusion
in<br>
the<br>
> "PRINCIPLES, GOALS AND CHALLENGES section ( or possibly in
Social Justice<br>
> section), which I had submitted.<br>
><br>
> The section should be titled; MENTAL AND PHYSICAL
HEALTH CARE<br>
><br>
> The delivery of life-critical mental and physical health information
can<br>
be<br>
> facilitated and improved through ICT-based solutions. Lack of access
to<br>
> information and communication has been identified as a critical
factor in<br>
> the public mental and physical health crises around the world.
Experts<br>
have<br>
> suggested that providing citizens of underdeveloped countries
with<br>
> community<br>
> level points of access to mental and physical health information
would be<br>
a<br>
> critical starting point for addressing the mental and physical
health care<br>
> crises. However, such access points should support more than one-way
flows<br>
> of information (for example, from expert to community or
patient).<br>
> Communities must be allowed to participate in the selection and
creation<br>
of<br>
> communication flows that they find useful and necessary to address
the<br>
> prevention, treatment, and promotion of mental and physical health
care<br>
for<br>
> all people.<br>
><br>
> In addition, please note the following revisions in brackets, which
were<br>
> previously recommended but in latest draft have been omitted.
Please<br>
> re-insert. Most of these refer to specifying mental and
physical health,<br>
> as<br>
> opposed to only physical, and should be included for consistency
and<br>
> clarity.<br>
><br>
> 3.2.4 Access to Information and the Means of Communication,
paragraph 3<br>
><br>
> Specific needs and requirements of all stakeholders, including those
with<br>
> [mental and physical] disabilities, must be....<br>
><br>
> 3.2.5 Basic literacy, par 1 last sentence<br>
><br>
> People-centered information technologies can foster eradication of
[mental<br>
> and physical] illnesses and epidemics, can help give everyone
food,<br>
> shelter,<br>
> freedom and peace.<br>
><br>
> 3.2.5 Basic literacy, par 3 last sentence<br>
><br>
> must include a focus on the needs of people who have [mental and]
physical<br>
> impairments and all means of transcending those impairments
...<br>
><br>
> 3.3.8 Human development â€â€œ education and training, par 2<br>
><br>
> Literacy, education, and research efforts in the
Information Society<br>
must<br>
> include a focus on the needs of people who have [mental and]
physical<br>
> impairments and all means of transcending those
impairments....<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> In par 4 -<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ...special needs: those of young and elderly people, of women, of
people<br>
> with [mental and physical] impairments, of indigenous peoples, of
migrant<br>
> communities, of refugees and returnees in post-conflict situations,
in a<br>
> life-long perspective...<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> 3.3.9 Information generation and knowledge development - research,
par 1,<br>
> sentence 3<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Clear principles should be developed for the use and exploitation of
the<br>
> body of knowledge produced [e.g. Scientific research data should be
gender<br>
> and age disaggregated for mental and physical health.]<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> 4. Conclusion, par 2, last sentence<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ....the right to a standard of living adequate for the [mental
and<br>
> physical]<br>
> health and well-being of the individual and his or her family,
including<br>
> food housing and (delete medical) [mental and physical
health]care.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> 3.1.9 Rights of Persons with Disabilities: recommended by Monthian
Buntan<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I also support the inclusion of the section below recommended by
Monthian<br>
> Buntan, however, I would recommend the following revisions to
be<br>
consistent<br>
> with the rest of the document. While it is helpful to specify
types and<br>
> degree of disabilities, these can be seen as referring to physical
only as<br>
> often mental and physical health care have been disconnected in
many<br>
> countries.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> 3.1.9 Rights of Persons with [Mental and Physical]
Disabilities:<br>
><br>
><br>
> In the inclusive information society, the rights of persons with
[mental<br>
> and<br>
> physical] disabilities to have full and absolute equal access
to<br>
> information<br>
> and communications including ICTs, regardless of types and degree
of<br>
> disabilities, must be ensured by laws and policies at all
levels. In<br>
order<br>
> to achieve such goal, Universal Design principle and the use of
assistive<br>
> technologies must be seriously promoted and supported throughout the
whole<br>
> process of building and nurturing the information society in which
PWDs<br>
and<br>
> their organizations must be allowed to participate fully and on
equal<br>
terms<br>
> with non-disabled people.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Thank you for all your work on this. Look forward to meeting
everyone in<br>
> Geneva as hoping to arrive Monday morning, however, there is a
huge<br>
> blizzard<br>
> and snowing now in New York and flights are delayed.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Elizabeth<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Dr. Elizabeth Carll<br>
><br>
> Focal Point<br>
><br>
> International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies<br>
><br>
> Tel: 631-754-2424<br>
><br>
> Fax: 631-754-5032<br>
><br>
> ecarll@optonline.net<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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