<DIV>2 cents from me - I have to admit when I see the pleas from Africa e.g. Niger which our colleague on the CS plenary list never fails to enlighten us about; I wonder as to what our CS priorities for humanity really are especially at a conference such as this ? Is it spam ( a junk mail annoyance for the Western world ) or universal access ?</DIV>
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<DIV>I do think the C&T team of phase 1 should re-mobilize and start on an action plan for phase 2 themes that CS wants to promote asap - starting with a virtual on-line / real time meeting would be great!</DIV>
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<DIV>cc: Plenary <BR><BR><B><I>wolfgang@imv.au.dk</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Hi Betrand,<BR><BR>do yopu propose an "Intergovernmental Spam Convention" or a "Spam MoU"?<BR><BR>best<BR><BR>wolfgang<BR><BR>-- Original Nachricht--<BR>Von: Bertrand de LA CHAPELLE <LACHAPELLE@OPENWSIS.ORG><BR>An: Adam Peake <AJP@GLOCOM.AC.JP><BR>Senden: 08:01 PM<BR>Betreff: Re: [governance] comment on spam<BR><BR>Hi,<BR><BR>Could be a case where a new type of international instrument <BR>is needed, similar to what Directives are in the European <BR>Union :<BR><BR>a formal agreement on objectives, measures/methods to adopt <BR>by the respective stakeholders, the responsibility to do it <BR>resting on each individual (sovereign ?) entity, with a <BR>follow-up mechanism to verify later on that the Directive has <BR>been "transposed in the internal legal order".<BR><BR>It seems anyway that spam is rising to the level of <BR>recognized global nuisance, and could be a very good te
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<BR>case for defining new methods to address such issues.<BR><BR>2cents, etc...<BR><BR>Bertrand<BR><BR>---- Original message ----<BR>>Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:55:47 +0900<BR>>From: Adam Peake <AJP@GLOCOM.AC.JP><BR><BR>>Subject: [governance] comment on spam <BR>>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org<BR>><BR>>We've discussed a little about address spam globally <BR>(whether is can <BR>>be addressed globally, or whether anyone should even try.) <BR>I just <BR>>sent a note to Dave Farber's list about spam in Japan. We <BR>don't <BR>>really have any domestic generated spam. A lot of spam from <BR>overseas, <BR>>little generated in Japan. Spam on the wired Internet that <BR>is, we do <BR>>suffer still from spam on mobiles.<BR>><BR>>I think there's a lot of opportunity for sharing of best <BR>practices, <BR>>but action seems to be best taken locally. Global <BR>coordination and <BR>>cooperation, but not multilateral hard action.<BR>><BR>>
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etc.<BR>><BR>>Thanks,<BR>><BR>>Adam<BR>><BR>><BR>>-- <BR>><BR>>(Sent to Farber, no idea if he will choose to forward to his <BR>list.)<BR>><BR>>At 8:39 PM +0900 3/10/04, Adam Peake wrote:<BR>><BR>>Dave,<BR>><BR>>I almost never see Japanese spam.<BR>><BR>>In 2002, Japan enacted two laws: quite strict, and quite <BR>successful<BR>><BR>>As far as I can see, the basic regulations are:<BR>><BR>>-messages must state they are an advertisement and sent <BR>without consent.<BR>>-must have a real opt-out option.<BR>>-randomly generated email addresses are banned (APeake@, <BR>BPeake@, <BR>>CPeake@, etc., and random numbers for mobile addresses.)<BR>>-be sent from a valid address, with a valid subject line.<BR>>-carriers/ISPs are able to bar spammers.<BR>>-carriers/ISPs can filter spam without consent (this stems <BR>from a <BR>>time when there was masses of mobile spam, 80% or more of <BR>all data
<BR>>traffic, and carriers needs to get it off their networks.)<BR>><BR>>Penalties: up to 2 years jail, fines up to 3 billion yen <BR>>(300,000,000 yen, about $2.5 million at the time.)<BR>>At the same time, pyramid buying laws were expanded to <BR>address some <BR>>types of spam.<BR>><BR>>I think Scott MacQuarrie's last comment is wrong: we do need <BR>to care <BR>>about our ISP's problems, they bill us!<BR>><BR>>Thanks,<BR>><BR>>Adam<BR>><BR>>Adam Peake<BR>>GLOCOM Tokyo<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>As I said often on IP, I have neither the time or desire to <BR>use systems<BR>>like this and ignore all such requests djf<BR>><BR>>Delivered-To: dfarber+@ux13.sp.cs.cmu.edu<BR>>Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:45:06 -0800<BR>>From: Dennis Paull <DPAULL@SVPAL.ORG><BR>>Subject: Re: [IP] SPAM Countermeasures Risks Digest 23.25<BR>>X-Sender: dpaull@pop.svpal.org<BR>>To: dave@farber.net<BR>>Cc: Scott MacQuarrie
<SCOTT@ZWCX.COM><BR>><BR>>Hi Dave,<BR>><BR>>For IP if you choose.<BR>><BR>>I read through the Digiportal web site and I do not see how <BR>it could be<BR>>used with lists such as IP? If Scott thinks that email list <BR>owners are<BR>>going to respond to special messages from every new <BR>subscriber, he must<BR>>be crazy.<BR>><BR>>There may be other such situations that are less apparent <BR>where the<BR>>scheme being used is inappropriate. Besides that, it looks <BR>great.<BR>><BR>>Dennis Paull<BR>>Half Moon Bay, CA<BR>><BR>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>><BR>>At 05:00 PM 3/6/2004 -0700, you wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> >Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 23:52:55 -0500<BR>> >From: Scott MacQuarrie <SCOTT@ZWCX.COM><BR>> >Subject: SPAM Countermeasures<BR>> ><BR>> >I am surprised at some of the ideas put forward to <BR>prevent spam and feel<BR>> >man
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them, such as charging for e-mail, are worse than <BR>the problem<BR>> >itself. Ultimately, this is matter of using definitions <BR>to focus on the<BR>> >actual problem, rather than trying to apply massive <BR>architectural changes to<BR>> >"carpet-bomb" the problem.<BR>> ><BR>> >By definition, spam is simply e-mail from unidentified <BR>sender(s). The<BR>> >solution is to require senders to identify themselves, <BR>either by e-mail<BR>> >address or domain before accepting their e-mail. There is <BR>no need to filter<BR>> >e-mail from people you know or domains you trust. It's <BR>strangers you need to<BR>> >watch.<BR>> ><BR>> >Anti-spam lists, such as the Blackhole list and others <BR>are following this<BR>> >strategy, but offering to act as an intermediary. The <BR>better, and simpler,<BR>> >solution is at the individual layer, using tools such as <BR>choicemail from<BR>> >Digiportal. (Note
: I am
simply a satisfied customer and, <BR>in no way represent<BR>> >the company). This tool filters e-mail, based on if I <BR>allowed them or their<BR>> >domain to e-mail me. If you are not know, you are sent an <BR>e-mail asking who<BR>> >you are. The response (via digiportal's website - a <BR>trusted URL) is sent to<BR>> >me and I can decide if I want to receive it. If you never <BR>respond, your<BR>> >e-mail is quietly deleted. For mailing lists, such as <BR>this one, I can<BR>> >authorize the domain or the individual e-mail address in <BR>advance. During<BR>> >the installation, It also happily reads my address file <BR>and adds anyone<BR>> >found there to the authorized list (since I obviously <BR>know them).<BR>> ><BR>> >After using this tool for almost a year, I have enjoyed a <BR>spam-free<BR>> >existence. This has also not required a significant <BR>architectural change or<BR>> >additional billing mod
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implement. This is simply <BR>the implementation of<BR>> >the same process used if you ring my doorbell. If I don't <BR>know you, I may<BR>> >not answer it.<BR>> ><BR>> >Of course, I still have the bandwidth of the e-mail being <BR>sent, but this is<BR>> >my ISP's problem, not mine.<BR>> ><BR>> >Scott MacQuarrie, ZWCX Computer Corp.<BR>> ><BR>> >-------------------------------------<BR>><BR>>-------------------------------------<BR>>You are subscribed as ajp@glocom.ac.jp<BR>>To manage your subscription, go to<BR>> http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip<BR>><BR>>Archives at: http://www.interesting-<BR>people.org/archives/interesting-people/<BR>><BR>>_______________________________________________<BR>>governance mailing list<BR>>governance@lists.cpsr.org<BR>>https://ssl.cpsr.org/mailman/listinfo/governance<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>governance mailing
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