<div>Cher Jean-Louis, (english below)</div>
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<div>Il y a clairement des choses à critiquer sur le fonctionnement ou les résultats du WGIG. </div>
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<div>Personnellement, je vois au moins trois aspects :</div>
<div>- les mécanismes insuffisants de communication durant la phase de travail entre les membres à l'intérieur et ceux qui étaient à l'extérieur</div>
<div>- le caractère pas assez itératif des rédactions</div>
<div>- le manque de précision sur les roles et responsabilités des différents acteurs. </div>
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<div>Il y en a surement d'autres et je ne parle pas de la substance, seulement du process. Mais globalement, je persiste à penser qu'à ce jour, le WGIG a été, au sein du WSIS, ce qui va le plus dans la direction de ce que l'on peut souhaiter :
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<div>- en temes de participation et de modalités de représentation</div>
<div>- en termes de procédures de concertation et de méthodes de travail </div>
<div>- en termes de substance même</div>
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<div>Ce n'est pas assez, on est bien d'accord. Mais l'enjeu est de continuer dans cette direction et de pousser plus loin; pas de revenir sur les quelques avancées qui ont pu être obtenues. Les gouvernements qui ne veulent pas de la société civile s'en chargeront tout seuls...
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<div>Je dirai cela, le défendrai sans relâche et sans hésitation, jusqu'à ce que quelqu'un présente des arguments convaincants sur le possible dommage que ce processus pourrait avoit apporté à la société civile ou à ses membres. Et je suis ouvert à ce débat.
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<div>By the way, je saisis l'occasion pour te demander, compte tenu de tes commentaires souvent forts sur l'expression multi-stakeholder :</div>
<div>1 - quels sont précisément les raisons (de principe ou pratiques) de tes réticences sur ce concept ?</div>
<div>2 - quelle est la formule d'association de la société civile aux processus futurs que tu soouhaiterais ?</div>
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<div>Je demande ça sincèrement. Je n'ai pas de fixation particulière sur le mot. </div>
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<div>Amicalement</div>
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<div>Bertrand</div>
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<div style="PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px; PADDING-TOP: 10px">Dear Jean-Louis, </div>
<div style="PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px; PADDING-TOP: 10px">There are clearly things to criticize about the operation or the results of the WGIG. </div>
<div style="PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px; PADDING-TOP: 10px">Personally, I see at least three aspects: </div>
<div style="PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px; PADDING-TOP: 10px">- insufficient mechanisms of communication during the phase of work between the members inside and those which were outside <br>
- character not iterative enough of the draftings <br>- lack of precision on the roles and responsibilities for the various actors. </div>
<div style="PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px; PADDING-TOP: 10px">There are surely other limitations and I do not even speak about the substance, only of the process. But overall, I persist in thinking that to date, the WGIG was, within the WSIS, what goes most in the direction of what we can wish:
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<div style="PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px; PADDING-TOP: 10px">- in temes of participation and methods of representation <br>- in terms of working method and conciliation procedures <br>- in terms of substance even
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<div style="PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px; PADDING-TOP: 10px">It is not enough, I agree. But the objective is to continue in this direction and to push further; not to turn our back on the few improvements that have been obtained. Governments which do not want civil society will do that enough...
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<div style="PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px; PADDING-TOP: 10px">I will say it, will defend it without slackening and hesitation, until somebody presents convincing arguments on the possible damage that this process could have brought to the civil society or to its members. And I am open to have this debate.
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<div style="PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px; PADDING-TOP: 10px">The main benefit for me is the broader use of the word multi-stakeholder. By the way, given your often strong comments on the expression multi-stakeholder, I seized the occasion to ask you :
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<div style="PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px; PADDING-TOP: 10px">1 - which are the reasons precisely (of principle or practical) of your reservations on this concept ? <br>2 - how would you see the mechanisms for association of civil society to the future processes ?
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<div style="PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px; PADDING-TOP: 10px">I ask that sincerely. I do not have particular fixing on the word. Works for me but I have more interest in the actual processes that in the way they are labeled.
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<div style="PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px; PADDING-TOP: 10px">Bertrand</div></div>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7/19/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">Jean-Louis FULLSACK</b> <<a href="mailto:jlfullsack@wanadoo.fr">jlfullsack@wanadoo.fr</a>> wrote:</span>
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<p>Dear Bertrand</p>
<p>I want you just to tell us your understanding about this "positive outcome". </p>
<p>I wonder if a large part of the CS considers the WGIG outcomes as really positive, at least at its current state.</p>
<p>BTW : I'll attend the WGIG "open meeting" scheduled to-morrow morning at Palais des Nations and hope to see you.</p>
<p>Friendly</p>
<p>Jean-Louis Fullsack</p>
<p>CSDPTT.</p>
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<div>The other approach from the press is basically the UN versus US battle.</div></div>
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<div>Unfortunately this only reflects the fact that the group did not devote attention to the framing of its public presentation but left the press to define its own understanding from the document itself. No doubt they went to the simplistic presentation.
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<div>I'm afraid the opportunity has been missed to emphqsize the originality of the group, the approach it took and how it considers its report as a positive outcome.</div>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7/19/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">Jacqueline Morris</b> <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:jacqueline.morris@gmail.com" target="_blank">jacqueline.morris@gmail.com
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<br>> _______________________________________<br>> <br>> Interesting - as a member of the WGIG I thought that group consensus<br>> since February on providing multiple options in the report to the<br>> Prepcom to negotiate with was reaching an agreement.... obviously I
<br>> misunderstood the meaning of the word "agreement"! Seems the only<br>> meaning for "agreement" is to have only one option available.<br>> Jacqueline Morris<br>> <br>> On 7/18/05, Robert Guerra <
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</a><br>> ><br>> > A UN group charged with deciding how the net should be run has failed <br>> > to reach a decision.<br>> > The group's report suggests four possible futures for net governance<br>
> > that range from no change to complete overhaul.<br>> > The proposals will go forward to a key UN net and society conference <br>> > due to take place in November.<br>> ><br>> > The report comes as the US says it plans to keep its role as overseer
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