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color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks Betrand for clarifying my position and where Values
and Ethics come from. Sorry for involuntarily opening up the wrong debate. I
seemed to have misunderstood the Fri Plenary that the decision had already been
made on what to do after the protest is made. Meanwhile the draft "protest"
looks like it is on the right track. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=950552320-25092005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Laina</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org
[mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Bertrand de La
Chapelle<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 25, 2005 8:44 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
plenary@wsis-cs.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Challenging
Sub-committee A drafting groups going into closed sessions<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Dear all,</DIV>
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<DIV>I would like to make a few points to help this matter go to rest and avoid
it polluting further our working together :</DIV>
<DIV>- this process is very demanding and governements attitude is putting us
under additional stress; after a week of extreme pressure, everybody,
including me the other day, is prone to irritation and misunderstanding; </DIV>
<DIV>- Jeanette should be commended for the great job she is doing; everybody
now understands the emotionallly loaded comments she made the other day were on
a personal basis and that it was the result of the deep frustration we all feel
in this present stage; in such situations, wondering whether all this work is
worth it overcomes you in a very powerful way; </DIV>
<DIV>- interaction through online posts are very different from interaction in a
room and they also take everybody witness, leading to snowballing effects that
are detrimental to our desire to cooperate;I hope the plenary monday morning wil
allow this matter to cool down; </DIV>
<DIV>- as for the notion of Ethics and Values raised by Avri, all I can say is
that anybody that interacts with Laina and the other members of this caucus,
could only testify that they are certainly not in the direction of a morality
approach but rather relentlessly promoting harmony and mutual respect. More
a buddist-type philosophy of compassion than a christian right affirmation
of supreme GOD-driven moral principles (just a quick image of course)
</DIV>
<DIV>- finally, I feel very sad that she has unvoluntarily triggered
this whole debate out of a simple question that we have not in fact really
addressed yet : should we or not make statements in the first five minutes ?
Laina's comments were, if I understand well; mostly focusing on that point,
and I also felt that the show of hands merely reflected our desire to make a
statement and not yet a decision to walk out completely. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Now the statement is being prepared; it will be presented in Plenary and
the question of using or not the five minutes can be debated quietly.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The week ahead will require delicate strategy decisions and we must prepare
ourselves to discuss them in the greatest spirit of the common interest.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Looking forward to seeing you all tomorrow.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Bertrand<BR><BR> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 9/25/05, <B class=gmail_sendername>Jacqueline
Morris</B> <<A
href="mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com">jam@jacquelinemorris.com</A>>
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message!<BR>_______________________________________<BR><BR>Hi<BR>I was at the
meeting under discussion, and it didn't seem to me at all <BR>that Jeanette
presented her opinion as the IG caucus' opinion.<BR>She said - "this is what
happened." And also -"I would like to say<BR>in my
experience", and "this is my opinion'" and "I think". <BR>To me
that doesn't in ANY way imply - "this is the IGC position"<BR>So unless I
missed something that she said (which I doubt) - to me the<BR>main premise of
this objection is moot.<BR><BR>Yes, she has strong views and she is passionate
- if she wasn't, I <BR>doubt she'd be putting in the long and hard hours that
are necessary<BR>to get things coordinated for so long.<BR><BR>Jeanette has
always been very inclusive and helpful, IMO. When i first<BR>showed up,
fresh from the developing world, first time in Geneva, the <BR>IG
caucus coordinators were very good at explaining the way around,<BR>etc. I
have never felt the insider/outsider divide even when I was<BR>very new, and I
don't see that much has changed re the way of<BR>operating.<BR><BR>My
$0.02<BR><BR>Jacqueline<BR><BR><BR><BR>On 9/25/05, Laina Raveendran Greene
<<A href="mailto:laina@getit.org">laina@getit.org</A>> wrote:<BR>>
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_______________________________________<BR>><BR>><BR>> Dear
McTim,<BR>><BR>> I guess I am under the impression that a Coordinator
works on collecting the<BR>> inputs of others opinions before making a
proposal on behalf of the group,<BR>> as opposedto presenting her opinion
as a proposal from the group. It just <BR>> helps keep the process a little
more open, just as Tracy has been carefully<BR>> doing. "leadership" and
"coordination" are two different roles.<BR>><BR>> It is just a matter of
process that helps keep matters "inclusive" and <BR>> "multistakholder".
Beyond that, I have no issues with Jeanette's passion and<BR>> leadership,
am very happy to see someone so involved and concerned about the<BR>>
issues for others.<BR>><BR>> Regards, <BR>> Laina<BR>><BR>>
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_______________________________________<BR>><BR>> On 9/24/05, Laina
Raveendran Greene <BR>><BR>> <snip><BR>> ><BR>> > I do
think that if Jeanette has strong views on this, she should step<BR>> >
down<BR>><BR>> Why would we want someone without strong views as
coordinator? <BR>><BR>> Jeanette, you have my many thanks for your
enourmously important<BR>> contribution.<BR>><BR>> Ralf, Thanks for
your most reasonable .05 (euro?) cents as well.<BR>><BR>> --<BR>>
Cheers,<BR>><BR>> McTim<BR>>
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