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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4><FONT size=2>Dear Lists addressed:<BR><BR>"Whoa
Nellie" - which might translate to: Un moment s'il vous
plait.<BR><BR>As a pleased-to-be member of several esteemed and highly valued
groups here<BR>interacting, I post individually simply to say that my memory of
the prior<BR>discussions and events do not match the below posts. Not to
extend debate,<BR>but lest silence be taken as accord (we cannot always attend
to this of<BR>course due to volume of posts, but this seems important
here).<BR><BR>Later when the issues are reduced per post, one might check back
and weigh<BR>in.<BR><BR>For now, might we not wish to concentrate more on ICT
policies /<BR>implementation etc. than on the acknowledged-to-be estimable
issues of<BR><EM>ontology</EM> (that is, considering how we wish ICT
systems etc. to be applied,<BR>globally and locally - as compared to the
specific applications-domains to<BR>be mapped to them),<BR><BR>just a
thought..<BR><BR>What think you (?) ...<BR><BR>At your service and sending best
wishes,<BR>LDMF.<BR></FONT>----------<BR><FONT size=1>Linda D. Misek-Falkoff,
Ph.D., J.D..<BR>Online communications systems / ICT / ARPANet (1960's)
forward.<BR>Individual Email. For Identification here:</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=1>President, The National Disability Party (now
INDP); Member, International<BR> Disability Caucus.for the
(U.N.) International Disability Convention, Persons with Pain
Intl.<BR>*Respectful Interfaces* Programme/
Communications Coordination Committee for the United
Nations.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4><FONT size=1>ACM ABA. Other affiliations on
request.</FONT><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Elizabeth Carll,
PhD" <</FONT><A href="mailto:ecarll@optonline.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>ecarll@optonline.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>><BR>To:
<</FONT><A href="mailto:plenary@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>plenary@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>>; <</FONT><A
href="mailto:bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>>;
"WSIS-CT"<BR><</FONT><A href="mailto:ct@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>ct@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>>; "WSIS CT-Drafting"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:ct-drafting@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>ct-drafting@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>><BR>Cc:
"Sylvia Caras" <</FONT><A href="mailto:sylvia@peoplewho.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>sylvia@peoplewho.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>>;
<</FONT><A href="mailto:Pwd@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>Pwd@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>>; "Elizabeth
K.<BR>Carll Ph.D." <</FONT><A href="mailto:ecarll@optonline.net"><FONT
face=Arial size=4>ecarll@optonline.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=4>><BR>Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 10:58 AM<BR>Subject: RE: [WSIS
CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of<BR>WSIS CS
statement<BR><BR><BR>> [Please note that by using 'REPLY', your response goes
to the entire list.<BR>Kindly use individual addresses for responses intended
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_______________________________________<BR>><BR>> Dear Hiroshi and
All,<BR>><BR>> Thank you for your input, as it is obvious that the
Disability Caucus has<BR>> given much thought to the WSIS documents as have
others<BR>><BR>> With regard to your request as to the issue of deleting
physical and<BR>mental<BR>> health and in essence deleting mental health,
from the document now, seems<BR>> surprising, as Sylvia had expressed her
concerns all along, and these<BR>issues<BR>> were posted on the plenary
listserv and I do not recall a request for the<BR>> removal of mental health
from the document after the discussions by the<BR>> Disability
Caucus.<BR>><BR>> In addition, while there may have been discussion to
which those of us who<BR>> were unable to attend the Tunis Summit are not
privy, the process of<BR>> finalizing the document cannot be based solely on
decisions at the Summit,<BR>> as obviously that would disenfranchise many who
were not able to<BR>> participate. Therefore if that were the case, to
be fair and treat all<BR>> equitably, it require the removal of all
information by those who did not<BR>> attend.<BR>><BR>> Most
importantly aside from the many previous issues and support discussed<BR>>
for the inclusion of mental health, including most recently comments
by<BR>UNGA<BR>> President Eliasson at the informal briefing with NGOs this
past Friday and<BR>> the White House report on aging, the inclusion of mental
health is<BR>essential<BR>> to prevent the disenfranchisement of a large
group of the worlds' people<BR>as<BR>> well as the elimination of services to
all people affected by traumatic<BR>> events.<BR>><BR>> ***Following
the logic of Sylvia Caras' argument for the removal of<BR>> reference to
mental health from the documents, I would request that the<BR>> same be
done with removing any reference to those who are disabled as<BR>health<BR>>
should be seen a s a seamless service and not carve out any particular<BR>>
population which will further contribute to the stigmatization of that<BR>>
group. Health services to the disabled are no different than
other<BR>> specialties such as cardiac, etc.<BR>><BR>> The recognition
of the importance of addressing mental health needs and<BR>> labeling it
using clear language which is tied directly to how governments<BR>> decide on
funding is essential. To my knowledge there is no funding for<BR>>
access to emotional and spiritual services by governments. Furthermore
in<BR>> many cultures spiritual is viewed as, and often translates
into,<BR>religious<BR>> terms which brings with it a whole host of
problematic and political<BR>issues.<BR>><BR>> In addition, the reference
to physical and mental health was included in<BR>> each of the health
paragraphs in order that each can serve as a stand<BR>alone<BR>> paragraph
should one of the points be picked up by the media or other<BR>>
organizations and therefore prevent misinterpretation, when taken out of<BR>>
context.<BR>><BR>> Having a separate section in the document for one
group's (disability)<BR>> interest at the expense of another group's
(physical and mental health)<BR>> interest, by now eliminating reference to
that group at the 11th hour, is<BR>> the opposite of inclusive society and
undermines the previously agreed<BR>upon<BR>> Geneva CS
Declaration. Therefore, it is requested that if the
language<BR>> for physical and mental health is removed from the CS
Statement, to be<BR>> equitable the same be done with all language references
to disability.<BR>><BR>> Hopefully, this has helped further clarify the
issues.<BR>><BR>> Respectfully,<BR>><BR>> Dr. Elizabeth
Carll<BR>> Health and ICT Working Group<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>> From: </FONT><A
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size=4>plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>
[mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On<BR>> Behalf Of Hiroshi Kawamura<BR>>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:59 AM<BR>> To: </FONT><A
href="mailto:bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>; WSIS-CT;
WSIS ng<BR>> Cc:lvia Caras; </FONT><A href="mailto:plenary@wsis-cs.org"><FONT
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</FONT><A href="mailto:Pwd@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>Pwd@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=4>> Subject: [WSIS
CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of<BR>> WSIS CS
statement<BR>> Importance: High<BR>><BR>><BR>> [Please note that by
using 'REPLY', your response goes to the entire list.<BR>> Kindly use
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_______________________________________<BR>><BR>> Dear Ralf and
others:<BR>><BR>> As I attached in the body of my posting to CS Plenary
List on 19th<BR>November,<BR>> the Disability Caucus adopted the Tunis
Declaration.<BR>> Since the Caucus held two major events on 15th and 18th
November in Tunis,<BR>I<BR>> am afraid that none of the Caucus members could
effectively commit the<BR>> process of CS Statement development.<BR>> I
really appreciate CS members who are working on this very difficult work<BR>>
to create a consensus and formulate a CS Statement.<BR>><BR>> At the last
stage of CS Declaration, I must admit that there is still a<BR>> serious
issues to be dealt with among those health professionals and<BR>> disability
caucus regarding the language being used in the "almost final<BR>> version
4.3". As a matter of fact, the concern expressed by Sylvia Caras,<BR>> was
also expressed by her at the Global Forum on Disability in the<BR>>
Information Society in Tunis during the summit and she received no<BR>>
objections on her contributions. Of course there was no voting but I
sense<BR>> that there was positive understanding on her statements in
general.<BR>><BR>> Quotation from the posting of Sylvia Caras on 15
December:<BR>><BR>> I'd be pleased to see, if that pharse "physical and
mental" were deleted,<BR>an<BR>> explanation that "health includes
biological, emotional, social, spiritual<BR>> and vocational
well-being" which seems to me would embrace all aspects of<BR>> health
and thus not reuqire carving out mental health.<BR>><BR>> --end of
quotation.<BR>><BR>> As the CSB Focal Point on Disability, I must address
the fact that there<BR>is<BR>> a serious disagreement on the language used in
the WSIS CS Statement<BR>clearly<BR>> expressed by Sylvia as quoted above.
Even though Elizabeth Carl reported<BR>> that there were only one objection
among the Caucus on Health and ICT, I<BR>> have to point out that the feeling
of the Global Forum in Tunis was in<BR>> support of Sylvia and she addressed
the concerns to the WSIS-CT list on<BR>> behalf of all attendees of the
Global Forum in Tunis.<BR>><BR>> In addition, there was no disability
specific active input to the CS<BR>> Statement due to the fact that WSIS
Disability Caucus was focusing on its<BR>> own declaration which was adopted
on 18th November based on all disability<BR>> specific WSIS process since
2002, I would like to ask the editors of the<BR>CS<BR>> Statement to refer to
the Tunis Declaration as attached as one of the<BR>> delarations and
statements of CS that may be listed or attached to the CS<BR>> Statement
rather than inserting paragraphs or sentences at this stage.<BR>><BR>>
Best regards,<BR>><BR>> Hiroshi Kawamura<BR>> WSIS CSB Disability Focal
Point<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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