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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I believe you misunderstood me when I said
I was trying to follow. I have read all those posts but still felt I was
missing information.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regardless, the point of my post was to
propose to include a definition at the beginning of the heath section so as to
make clear what we were referring to, “we” being the operative word. As Civil
Society members, I believe that we have the right and a duty to propose
alternatives to what are the current given norms, indeed that is a big part of
our work, proposing and promoting alternatives so as to ameliorate the
conditions of those we serve. If we did not, then what would be the point of
participating in this whole process to begin with.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Therefore, I repose my question : Can we not
include a preambule or opening sentence to the heath section defining what “our”
definition of health is (such as the proposition included in my previous
message) ? Would that not then answer preoccupations concerning the importance
of including all aspects of this issue ?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
pwd-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:pwd-admin@wsis-cs.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Elizabeth Carll, PhD<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> December 18, 2005 7:10 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> croy@contact.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Pwd@wsis-cs.org;
plenary@wsis-cs.org; WSIS-CT; wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Pwd] [WSIS CS-Plenary]
Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Importance:</span></b> High</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Dear Catherine and all,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I can understand your confusion if you have not been following the
issues. And therefore to help clarify I believe the posts below identify
most clearly the issues and the need to insure that resources are allocated for
both physical and mental health. I am not aware of any
country which is as enlightened to the degree that it recognizes that physical
and mental health should be seamless and part of primary care as has been
put forth by Sylvis and Kicki. Most countries will not allocate
resources which are not identified.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>For example, women who have been raped and tortured as a by product of
war and consider suicide as an alternative to having to face the reality
of returning to their home and being ostracized, need intensive mental health
services and psychosocial support. This has nothing to do with
disability, but can affect anyone person who may be living in an
unfortunate situation of war and conflict. Mental health issues and
services affect the entire poulation, not only the disability community.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I still would like to hear of any country that has the seamless
services for physical and mental health, to which Kicki and Sylvia have
referred.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Elizabeth</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com]<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Elizabeth Carll, PhD<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, December 18, 2005
3:45 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Kicki Nordström; Sylvia Caras;
Hiroshi Kawamura<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Pwd@wsis-cs.org;
plenary@wsis-cs.org; WSIS-CT; wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [wsishealth-and-ict] RE:
almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><tt><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Dear Kicki, Sylvia, and all</span></font></tt><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Because we may believe that health is seamless and
mental health must be</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">integrated into primary care does not mean that is
the current reality.</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Perhaps I am overlooking something here and if you
could list the countries</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">which have a seamless service for physical and
mental health and treat them</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">as part of primary care, it would very helpful in
understanding your</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">perspective.</font></tt><br>
<br>
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><tt><font face="Courier New">Elizabeth</font></tt></st1:place></st1:City><br>
<br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">-----Original Message-----</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">From: Kicki Nordström [mailto:kino@iris.se]</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:29 PM</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">To: Sylvia Caras; Elizabeth Carll, PhD; Hiroshi
Kawamura</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Cc: Pwd@wsis-cs.org;
wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Subject: SV: almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS
statement</font></tt><br>
<br>
<br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Dear Sylvia and Elisabeth,</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Of course: "Because health is seamless, and
those services must be</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">integrated into primary care."</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">This is also what IDC has proposed for the Article
on Health in the</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">convention of the rights of PWD.</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Times moves and use of wordings changes over time.
Now time have come to</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">reform the term 2physical and mental health"
and see this as "health" since</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">it is just the same.</font></tt><br>
<br>
<br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Kind regards</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Kicki</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Kicki Nordström</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">World Blind <st1:place w:st="on">Union</st1:place></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Immediate Past President</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">c/o SRF Iris AB</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">122 88 Enskede</font></tt><br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><tt><font face="Courier New">Sweden</font></tt></st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Tel: +46 (0)8 399 000</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Fax: +46 (0)8 725 99 20</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Cell: +46 (0)70 766 18 19</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">E-mail: kino@iris.se</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Från: Sylvia Caras [mailto:sylvia@peoplewho.org]</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Skickat: den 18 december 2005 21:15</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Till: Elizabeth Carll, PhD; Kicki Nordström;
Hiroshi Kawamura</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Kopia: Pwd@wsis-cs.org;
wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Ämne: RE: almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS
statement</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Elizabeth Carll, PhD wrote on 11:58 AM 12/18/05:</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>I couldn't agree with you more that physical
and mental health should</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>not be separated</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">But you just separated them in that sentence!</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>approximately 40% of the world's countries
have no articulated mental</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>health policy, and over 30% have no mental
health programs.</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Because health is seamless.</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>disparity in services for mental health</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Because health is seamless, and those services
must be integrated into</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">primary care.</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Sylvia</font></tt><br>
<br>
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