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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Dear Chris and hello all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>I would say yes, as just one responder, to
this or a variant: because then we can get to ICT in these good
contexts. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>And ICT does end with T for Technology, but it's
about so much more unless Technology is seen extremely broadly as ity can be -
how we get things done in domains where it counts. The fine and overarching
humanistic spirit of these lists suggests this as well. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Best wishes and thanking the whole group,
LDMF.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Dr. Linda D. Misek-Falkoff</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Respectful Interfaces.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>WSIS Focal Point to the CCC/UN.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>(a) P.S. . because life is like this: let us
not in eschewing an illness model forget those with actual medical
problems.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=zielinskic@who.int href="mailto:zielinskic@who.int">Zielinski,
Christopher</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com">wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com</A>
; <A title=kino@iris.se href="mailto:kino@iris.se">Kicki Nordström</A> ; <A
title=hiroshikawamura@attglobal.net
href="mailto:hiroshikawamura@attglobal.net">Hiroshi Kawamura</A> ; <A
title=plenary@wsis-cs.org
href="mailto:plenary@wsis-cs.org">plenary@wsis-cs.org</A> ; <A
title=bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de
href="mailto:bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de">bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de</A> ; <A
title=ct@wsis-cs.org href="mailto:ct@wsis-cs.org">WSIS-CT</A> ; <A
title=ct-drafting@wsis-cs.org href="mailto:ct-drafting@wsis-cs.org">WSIS
CT-Drafting</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=sylvia@peoplewho.org
href="mailto:sylvia@peoplewho.org">Sylvia Caras</A> ; <A title=Pwd@wsis-cs.org
href="mailto:Pwd@wsis-cs.org">Pwd@wsis-cs.org</A> ; <A
title=wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com">wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 19, 2005 2:05
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [wsishealth-and-ict] RE:
[Pwd] RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS
statement</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Why not just start the
piece with the WHO Constitutution definition: "H<FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=#000000 size=2>ealth is a state of complete physical, mental and social
well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity." Then you
don't need to repeat or divide ...</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>Chris</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><A
href="mailto:zielinskic@who.int">zielinskic@who.int</A> </FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com">wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com</A>
on behalf of Elizabeth Carll, PhD<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sun 18/12/2005
20:27<BR><B>To:</B> Kicki Nordström; Hiroshi Kawamura; <A
href="mailto:plenary@wsis-cs.org">plenary@wsis-cs.org</A>; <A
href="mailto:bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de">bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de</A>;
WSIS-CT; WSIS CT-Drafting<BR><B>Cc:</B> Sylvia Caras; <A
href="mailto:Pwd@wsis-cs.org">Pwd@wsis-cs.org</A>; <A
href="mailto:wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com">wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
[wsishealth-and-ict] RE: [Pwd] RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost
final version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><TT>In further thinking about this, it is not clear as to what you
believe would<BR>happen if physical and mental health are included in the
Statement, as<BR>opposed to omitting it as you suggest? They were included in
the CS<BR>Declaration.<BR><BR>Physical and mental health are already viewed as
disconnected. Having both<BR>physical and mental health included will
help insure that both are<BR>recognized and not overlooked. Ignoring the
lack of services for mental<BR>health, because one wants it to be seen as
seamless with (physical) health<BR>will not encourage governments to spend $$$
and provide resources.<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
ct-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:ct-admin@wsis-cs.org]On Behalf Of<BR>Elizabeth
Carll, PhD<BR>Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 2:59 PM<BR>To: Kicki Nordström;
Hiroshi Kawamura; plenary@wsis-cs.org;<BR>bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de;
WSIS-CT; WSIS CT-Drafting<BR>Cc: Sylvia Caras; Pwd@wsis-cs.org;
wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com<BR>Subject: RE: [Pwd] RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary]
Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final<BR>version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement<BR><BR><BR>Dear
Kicki,<BR><BR>I couldn't agree with you more that physical and mental health
should not be<BR>separated, which is why they are included in the health
section.<BR>Unfortunately governments are not so enlightened. According
to the World<BR>Health Organization and statements by Kofi Annan,
approximately 40% of the<BR>world’s countries have no articulated mental
health policy, and over 30%<BR>have no mental health programs.<BR><BR>If as
you state nowadays everyone knows that physical and mental health are<BR>tied
together, there would not be such disparity in services for mental<BR>health.
Therefore, many countries do NOT know that physical and mental<BR>health
should be tied together and failing to point to the need for physical<BR>and
mental health will only perpetuate the problem.<BR><BR>But then, these points
have discussed many times before.<BR><BR>Best
regards,<BR><BR>Elizabeth<BR><BR>Dr. Elizabeth Carll<BR>Health and ICT Working
Group<BR>International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;<BR>Communications
Coordination Committee for the UN;<BR>UN NGO Committee on Mental Health<BR>New
York, USA<BR>Tel: 1631-754-2424<BR>Fax:
1631-754-5032<BR>ecarll@optonline.net<BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Kicki Nordström [mailto:kino@iris.se]<BR>Sent: Sunday,
December 18, 2005 2:21 PM<BR>To: Elizabeth Carll, PhD; Hiroshi Kawamura;
plenary@wsis-cs.org;<BR>bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de; WSIS-CT; WSIS
CT-Drafting<BR>Cc: Sylvia Caras; Pwd@wsis-cs.org;
wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com<BR>Subject: SV: [Pwd] RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary]
Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final<BR>version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement<BR><BR><BR>Dear
Elisabeth,<BR><BR>You seems not to understand that this is not only a matter
for 600 Million<BR>persons with disabilities, it is a matter of language and
what we want to<BR>achieve with the text in the future! Old and out of fashion
language and<BR>meanings should not be used and everyone now adays know that
physical and<BR>mental well being is tied together and therefore should
not be separated!<BR><BR>Yours<BR>Kicki<BR><BR><BR>Kicki Nordström<BR>World
Blind Union<BR>Immediate Past President<BR>c/o SRF Iris AB<BR>122 88
Enskede<BR>Sweden<BR>Tel: +46 (0)8 399 000<BR>Fax: +46 (0)8 725 99 20<BR>Cell:
+46 (0)70 766 18 19<BR>E-mail: kino@iris.se<BR><BR>-----Ursprungligt
meddelande-----<BR>FrĂĄn: pwd-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:pwd-admin@wsis-cs.org]
För Elizabeth<BR>Carll, PhD<BR>Skickat: den 18 december 2005 18:48<BR>Till:
Hiroshi Kawamura; plenary@wsis-cs.org;
bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de;<BR>WSIS-CT; WSIS CT-Drafting<BR>Kopia: Sylvia
Caras; Pwd@wsis-cs.org; wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com<BR>Ă„mne: [Pwd] RE:
[WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of<BR>WSIS CS
statement<BR>Prioritet: Hög<BR><BR>Dear Hiroshi,<BR><BR>The presence of those
with disabilities is very important and certainly<BR>laudable in view if the
many obstacles to participation. I believe it is<BR>very difficult for
civil society to counter and influence governments due to<BR>the lack of
available and equitable resources, Many of us are not
paid<BR>staff, as I am a volunteer who has personally paid all expenses,
including<BR>to travel to Geneva and elsewhere as my NGO does not have funding
( and I am<BR>not independently wealthy). However, I believe there are
important issues<BR>which must be addressed for the future of our society and
that is what<BR>motivates my continued participation, even though it is
at considerable<BR>personal expense. I believe many individuals
contribute in many ways for<BR>CS to have a voice.<BR><BR>Your raising
awareness of the issues is understandable. At the same time,<BR>it is
important to recognize that lack of mental health information and<BR>services
can lead to disability, but that this is only one group of<BR>consumers within
the mental health community, which is much more broader<BR>including those who
are not disabled but are in need of services due to<BR>violence, war, trauma,
family dysfunction, coping with catastrophic<BR>illnesses, such as AIDS. etc
and the same distinction can be made for<BR>physical health as well.
Therefore, it would be inappropriate to have<BR>policy and decisions driven by
one subgroup within the context of physical<BR>and mental health.<BR><BR>From
a mental health perspective, there is language that would be preferable<BR>in
the disability paragraphs, however, respecting the right of
self<BR>determination of each group, including the disability caucus, was the
reason<BR>I did not advocate changing language in the disability
contributions.<BR><BR>As far as delaying this another 18 hours and then
concluding the text, I do<BR>not see where that would make a difference as all
of the issues appear to<BR>have been discussed and rediscussed. In
addition, if the CS Statement is<BR>going to have some, hopefully, wide media
coverage it must be sent out<BR>quickly as it is getting very close to the
holidays for many and this is not<BR>the kind of information that is easily
picked up nor seen as of interest at<BR>that time. If there is to be a
delay, I would then suggest sending a press<BR>release out in January as part
of new year events.<BR><BR>In addition, having commitments for the beginning
of this week, I and others<BR>may not be able to participate. and therefore, I
would suggest to follow the<BR>agreed upon deadline, as much has been
discussed and rediscussed already,<BR>and look forward to the finalization of
the CS Statement.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR><BR>Elizabeth<BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Hiroshi Kawamura
[mailto:hiroshikawamura@attglobal.net]<BR>Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005
11:41 AM<BR>To: Elizabeth Carll, PhD; plenary@wsis-cs.org;
bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de;<BR>WSIS-CT; WSIS CT-Drafting<BR>Cc: Sylvia Caras;
Pwd@wsis-cs.org; Elizabeth K. Carll Ph.D.<BR>Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary]
Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of<BR>WSIS CS statement<BR><BR><BR>Dear
Elizabeth:<BR><BR>Thank you very much for your detailed response.<BR><BR>My
intention is to raise awareness on the fact that Sylvia is not the only<BR>one
who are concenred with separation of mental health from other health<BR>issues
in the context based on the observation of the discussions at the<BR>Global
Forum in Tunis. It is very important to listen to the voices<BR>representing
those who are with disabilities and reach consensus even if the<BR>deadline
set out is very close.<BR>I would like to suggest to wait further input for at
least 18 hours from now<BR>on before concluding the final text.<BR><BR>Of
course I don't want to exclude anyone to take part in the discussion on<BR>the
list, but at the same time I must point out the effort and contributions<BR>of
those persons with and without disabilities who gathered in Tunis at
the<BR>price of their all difficulties of travel and almost no connection to
the<BR>internet at their disposal during their stay in Tunis. There was almost
no<BR>opportunities of actively getting involved in the e-mail discussion
during<BR>the Tunis Summit for almost all Disability Caucus participants
because of a<BR>lot of difficulties on site. And once you are lost, it was not
easy to catch<BR>up the process of development of the CS Statement.<BR><BR>In
addition, as you have observed through pwd list, the Disability
Caucus<BR>worked on the Tunis Declaration to be adopted on 18th. I suppose
many of<BR>other caucuses have concluded their WSIS participation with some
substantial<BR>documents or statements. That is the reason why I propose the
editor of the<BR>Statement to list those documents to include diversity of
outcomes of WSIS<BR>Civil Society so that they will supplement the Statement
even if some of the<BR>Caucuses could not take part in the process
sufficiently.<BR><BR>I hope to see further discussions on those
points.<BR><BR>Best<BR><BR>Hiroshi<BR><BR>----- Original Message
-----<BR>From: "Elizabeth Carll, PhD" <ecarll@optonline.net><BR>To:
<plenary@wsis-cs.org>; <bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de>;
"WSIS-CT"<BR><ct@wsis-cs.org>; "WSIS CT-Drafting"
<ct-drafting@wsis-cs.org><BR>Cc: "Sylvia Caras"
<sylvia@peoplewho.org>; <Pwd@wsis-cs.org>; "Elizabeth K.<BR>Carll
Ph.D." <ecarll@optonline.net><BR>Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 12:58
AM<BR>Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3
of<BR>WSIS CS statement<BR><BR><BR>> Dear Hiroshi and All,<BR>><BR>>
Thank you for your input, as it is obvious that the Disability Caucus<BR>>
has given much thought to the WSIS documents as have others<BR>><BR>>
With regard to your request as to the issue of deleting physical and<BR>>
mental health and in essence deleting mental health, from the document<BR>>
now, seems surprising, as Sylvia had expressed her concerns all along,<BR>>
and these issues were posted on the plenary listserv and I do not<BR>>
recall a request for the removal of mental health from the document<BR>>
after the discussions by the Disability Caucus.<BR>><BR>> In addition,
while there may have been discussion to which those of us<BR>> who were
unable to attend the Tunis Summit are not privy, the process<BR>> of
finalizing the document cannot be based solely on decisions at the<BR>>
Summit, as obviously that would disenfranchise many who were not able<BR>>
to participate. Therefore if that were the case, to be fair and
treat<BR>> all equitably, it require the removal of all information
by those who<BR>> did not attend.<BR>><BR>> Most importantly aside
from the many previous issues and support<BR>> discussed for the inclusion
of mental health, including most recently<BR>> comments by UNGA President
Eliasson at the informal briefing with NGOs<BR>> this past Friday and the
White House report on aging, the inclusion of<BR>> mental health is
essential to prevent the disenfranchisement of a<BR>> large group of the
worlds' people as well as the elimination of<BR>> services to all people
affected by traumatic events.<BR>><BR>> ***Following the logic of Sylvia
Caras' argument for the removal of<BR>> reference to mental health from the
documents, I would request that<BR>> the same be done with removing
any reference to those who are disabled<BR>> as health should be seen a s a
seamless service and not carve out any<BR>> particular population which
will further contribute to the<BR>> stigmatization of that group.
Health services to the disabled are no<BR>> different than other
specialties such as cardiac, etc.<BR>><BR>> The recognition of the
importance of addressing mental health needs<BR>> and labeling it using
clear language which is tied directly to how<BR>> governments decide on
funding is essential. To my knowledge there is<BR>> no funding for
access to emotional and spiritual services by<BR>> governments.
Furthermore in many cultures spiritual is viewed as,<BR>> and often
translates into, religious terms which brings with it a<BR>> whole host of
problematic and political issues.<BR>><BR>> In addition, the reference
to physical and mental health was included<BR>> in each of the health
paragraphs in order that each can serve as a<BR>> stand alone paragraph
should one of the points be picked up by the<BR>> media or other
organizations and therefore prevent misinterpretation,<BR>> when taken out
of context.<BR>><BR>> Having a separate section in the document for one
group's (disability)<BR>> interest at the expense of another group's
(physical and mental<BR>> health) interest, by now eliminating reference to
that group at the<BR>> 11th hour, is the opposite of inclusive society and
undermines the<BR>> previously agreed upon<BR>> Geneva CS
Declaration. Therefore, it is requested that if the
language<BR>> for physical and mental health is removed from the CS
Statement, to be<BR>> equitable the same be done with all language
references to disability.<BR>><BR>> Hopefully, this has helped further
clarify the issues.<BR>><BR>> Respectfully,<BR>><BR>> Dr.
Elizabeth Carll<BR>> Health and ICT Working
Group<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From:
plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On<BR>> Behalf
Of Hiroshi Kawamura<BR>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:59 AM<BR>>
To: bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de; WSIS-CT; WSIS ng Cc:lvia Caras;<BR>>
plenary@wsis-cs.org; Pwd@wsis-cs.org<BR>> Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re:
[WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of<BR>> WSIS CS statement<BR>>
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_______________________________________<BR>><BR>> Dear Ralf and
others:<BR>><BR>> As I attached in the body of my posting to CS Plenary
List on 19th<BR>> November, the Disability Caucus adopted the Tunis
Declaration.<BR>> Since the Caucus held two major events on 15th and 18th
November in<BR>> Tunis, I am afraid that none of the Caucus members could
effectively<BR>> commit the process of CS Statement development.<BR>> I
really appreciate CS members who are working on this very difficult<BR>>
work to create a consensus and formulate a CS Statement.<BR>><BR>> At
the last stage of CS Declaration, I must admit that there is still<BR>> a
serious issues to be dealt with among those health professionals and<BR>>
disability caucus regarding the language being used in the "almost<BR>>
final version 4.3". As a matter of fact, the concern expressed by<BR>>
Sylvia Caras, was also expressed by her at the Global Forum on<BR>>
Disability in the Information Society in Tunis during the summit and<BR>>
she received no objections on her contributions. Of course there was<BR>>
no voting but I sense that there was positive understanding on
her<BR>statements in general.<BR>><BR>> Quotation from the posting of
Sylvia Caras on 15 December:<BR>><BR>> I'd be pleased to see, if that
pharse "physical and mental" were<BR>> deleted, an explanation that "health
includes biological, emotional,<BR>> social, spiritual and vocational
well-being" which seems to me would<BR>> embrace all aspects of
health and thus not reuqire carving out mental<BR>> health.<BR>><BR>>
--end of quotation.<BR>><BR>> As the CSB Focal Point on Disability, I
must address the fact that<BR>> there is a serious disagreement on the
language used in the WSIS CS<BR>> Statement clearly expressed by Sylvia as
quoted above. Even though<BR>> Elizabeth Carl reported that there were only
one objection among the<BR>> Caucus on Health and ICT, I have to point out
that the feeling of the<BR>> Global Forum in Tunis was in support of Sylvia
and she addressed the<BR>> concerns to the WSIS-CT list on behalf of all
attendees of the Global<BR>> Forum in Tunis.<BR>><BR>> In addition,
there was no disability specific active input to the CS<BR>> Statement due
to the fact that WSIS Disability Caucus was focusing on<BR>> its own
declaration which was adopted on 18th November based on all<BR>> disability
specific WSIS process since 2002, I would like to ask the<BR>> editors of
the CS Statement to refer to the Tunis Declaration as<BR>> attached as one
of the delarations and statements of CS that may be<BR>> listed or attached
to the CS Statement rather than inserting<BR>> paragraphs or sentences at
this stage.<BR>><BR>> Best regards,<BR>><BR>> Hiroshi
Kawamura<BR>> WSIS CSB Disability Focal
Point<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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