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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Why not just start the piece
with the WHO Constitutution definition: "H<FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=#000000 size=2>ealth is a state of complete physical, mental and social
well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity." Then you
don't need to repeat or divide ...</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>Chris</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><A
href="mailto:zielinskic@who.int">zielinskic@who.int</A> </FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com on
behalf of Elizabeth Carll, PhD<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sun 18/12/2005
20:27<BR><B>To:</B> Kicki Nordström; Hiroshi Kawamura; plenary@wsis-cs.org;
bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de; WSIS-CT; WSIS CT-Drafting<BR><B>Cc:</B> Sylvia
Caras; Pwd@wsis-cs.org; wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[wsishealth-and-ict] RE: [Pwd] RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final
version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><TT>In further thinking about this, it is not clear as to what you believe
would<BR>happen if physical and mental health are included in the Statement,
as<BR>opposed to omitting it as you suggest? They were included in the
CS<BR>Declaration.<BR><BR>Physical and mental health are already viewed as
disconnected. Having both<BR>physical and mental health included will help
insure that both are<BR>recognized and not overlooked. Ignoring the lack
of services for mental<BR>health, because one wants it to be seen as seamless
with (physical) health<BR>will not encourage governments to spend $$$ and
provide resources.<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
ct-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:ct-admin@wsis-cs.org]On Behalf Of<BR>Elizabeth
Carll, PhD<BR>Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 2:59 PM<BR>To: Kicki Nordström;
Hiroshi Kawamura; plenary@wsis-cs.org;<BR>bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de; WSIS-CT;
WSIS CT-Drafting<BR>Cc: Sylvia Caras; Pwd@wsis-cs.org;
wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com<BR>Subject: RE: [Pwd] RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary]
Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final<BR>version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement<BR><BR><BR>Dear
Kicki,<BR><BR>I couldn't agree with you more that physical and mental health
should not be<BR>separated, which is why they are included in the health
section.<BR>Unfortunately governments are not so enlightened. According to
the World<BR>Health Organization and statements by Kofi Annan, approximately 40%
of the<BR>world’s countries have no articulated mental health policy, and over
30%<BR>have no mental health programs.<BR><BR>If as you state nowadays everyone
knows that physical and mental health are<BR>tied together, there would not be
such disparity in services for mental<BR>health. Therefore, many countries do
NOT know that physical and mental<BR>health should be tied together and failing
to point to the need for physical<BR>and mental health will only perpetuate the
problem.<BR><BR>But then, these points have discussed many times
before.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR><BR>Elizabeth<BR><BR>Dr. Elizabeth
Carll<BR>Health and ICT Working Group<BR>International Society for Traumatic
Stress Studies;<BR>Communications Coordination Committee for the UN;<BR>UN NGO
Committee on Mental Health<BR>New York, USA<BR>Tel: 1631-754-2424<BR>Fax:
1631-754-5032<BR>ecarll@optonline.net<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
Kicki Nordström [mailto:kino@iris.se]<BR>Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 2:21
PM<BR>To: Elizabeth Carll, PhD; Hiroshi Kawamura;
plenary@wsis-cs.org;<BR>bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de; WSIS-CT; WSIS
CT-Drafting<BR>Cc: Sylvia Caras; Pwd@wsis-cs.org;
wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com<BR>Subject: SV: [Pwd] RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary]
Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final<BR>version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement<BR><BR><BR>Dear
Elisabeth,<BR><BR>You seems not to understand that this is not only a matter for
600 Million<BR>persons with disabilities, it is a matter of language and what we
want to<BR>achieve with the text in the future! Old and out of fashion language
and<BR>meanings should not be used and everyone now adays know that
physical and<BR>mental well being is tied together and therefore should
not be separated!<BR><BR>Yours<BR>Kicki<BR><BR><BR>Kicki Nordström<BR>World
Blind Union<BR>Immediate Past President<BR>c/o SRF Iris AB<BR>122 88
Enskede<BR>Sweden<BR>Tel: +46 (0)8 399 000<BR>Fax: +46 (0)8 725 99 20<BR>Cell:
+46 (0)70 766 18 19<BR>E-mail: kino@iris.se<BR><BR>-----Ursprungligt
meddelande-----<BR>Från: pwd-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:pwd-admin@wsis-cs.org]
För Elizabeth<BR>Carll, PhD<BR>Skickat: den 18 december 2005 18:48<BR>Till:
Hiroshi Kawamura; plenary@wsis-cs.org; bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de;<BR>WSIS-CT;
WSIS CT-Drafting<BR>Kopia: Sylvia Caras; Pwd@wsis-cs.org;
wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com<BR>Ämne: [Pwd] RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re:
[WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of<BR>WSIS CS statement<BR>Prioritet:
Hög<BR><BR>Dear Hiroshi,<BR><BR>The presence of those with disabilities is very
important and certainly<BR>laudable in view if the many obstacles to
participation. I believe it is<BR>very difficult for civil society to
counter and influence governments due to<BR>the lack of available and equitable
resources, Many of us are not paid<BR>staff, as I am a volunteer who
has personally paid all expenses, including<BR>to travel to Geneva and elsewhere
as my NGO does not have funding ( and I am<BR>not independently wealthy).
However, I believe there are important issues<BR>which must be addressed for the
future of our society and that is what<BR>motivates my continued
participation, even though it is at considerable<BR>personal expense. I
believe many individuals contribute in many ways for<BR>CS to have a
voice.<BR><BR>Your raising awareness of the issues is understandable. At
the same time,<BR>it is important to recognize that lack of mental health
information and<BR>services can lead to disability, but that this is only one
group of<BR>consumers within the mental health community, which is much more
broader<BR>including those who are not disabled but are in need of services due
to<BR>violence, war, trauma, family dysfunction, coping with
catastrophic<BR>illnesses, such as AIDS. etc and the same distinction can be
made for<BR>physical health as well. Therefore, it would be inappropriate
to have<BR>policy and decisions driven by one subgroup within the context of
physical<BR>and mental health.<BR><BR>From a mental health perspective, there is
language that would be preferable<BR>in the disability paragraphs, however,
respecting the right of self<BR>determination of each group, including the
disability caucus, was the reason<BR>I did not advocate changing language in the
disability contributions.<BR><BR>As far as delaying this another 18 hours and
then concluding the text, I do<BR>not see where that would make a difference as
all of the issues appear to<BR>have been discussed and rediscussed. In
addition, if the CS Statement is<BR>going to have some, hopefully, wide media
coverage it must be sent out<BR>quickly as it is getting very close to the
holidays for many and this is not<BR>the kind of information that is easily
picked up nor seen as of interest at<BR>that time. If there is to be a
delay, I would then suggest sending a press<BR>release out in January as part of
new year events.<BR><BR>In addition, having commitments for the beginning of
this week, I and others<BR>may not be able to participate. and therefore, I
would suggest to follow the<BR>agreed upon deadline, as much has been discussed
and rediscussed already,<BR>and look forward to the finalization of the CS
Statement.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR><BR>Elizabeth<BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Hiroshi Kawamura
[mailto:hiroshikawamura@attglobal.net]<BR>Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 11:41
AM<BR>To: Elizabeth Carll, PhD; plenary@wsis-cs.org;
bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de;<BR>WSIS-CT; WSIS CT-Drafting<BR>Cc: Sylvia Caras;
Pwd@wsis-cs.org; Elizabeth K. Carll Ph.D.<BR>Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re:
[WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of<BR>WSIS CS statement<BR><BR><BR>Dear
Elizabeth:<BR><BR>Thank you very much for your detailed response.<BR><BR>My
intention is to raise awareness on the fact that Sylvia is not the only<BR>one
who are concenred with separation of mental health from other health<BR>issues
in the context based on the observation of the discussions at the<BR>Global
Forum in Tunis. It is very important to listen to the voices<BR>representing
those who are with disabilities and reach consensus even if the<BR>deadline set
out is very close.<BR>I would like to suggest to wait further input for at least
18 hours from now<BR>on before concluding the final text.<BR><BR>Of course I
don't want to exclude anyone to take part in the discussion on<BR>the list, but
at the same time I must point out the effort and contributions<BR>of those
persons with and without disabilities who gathered in Tunis at the<BR>price of
their all difficulties of travel and almost no connection to the<BR>internet at
their disposal during their stay in Tunis. There was almost no<BR>opportunities
of actively getting involved in the e-mail discussion during<BR>the Tunis Summit
for almost all Disability Caucus participants because of a<BR>lot of
difficulties on site. And once you are lost, it was not easy to catch<BR>up the
process of development of the CS Statement.<BR><BR>In addition, as you have
observed through pwd list, the Disability Caucus<BR>worked on the Tunis
Declaration to be adopted on 18th. I suppose many of<BR>other caucuses have
concluded their WSIS participation with some substantial<BR>documents or
statements. That is the reason why I propose the editor of the<BR>Statement to
list those documents to include diversity of outcomes of WSIS<BR>Civil Society
so that they will supplement the Statement even if some of the<BR>Caucuses could
not take part in the process sufficiently.<BR><BR>I hope to see further
discussions on those points.<BR><BR>Best<BR><BR>Hiroshi<BR><BR>----- Original
Message -----<BR>From: "Elizabeth Carll, PhD"
<ecarll@optonline.net><BR>To: <plenary@wsis-cs.org>;
<bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de>; "WSIS-CT"<BR><ct@wsis-cs.org>; "WSIS
CT-Drafting" <ct-drafting@wsis-cs.org><BR>Cc: "Sylvia Caras"
<sylvia@peoplewho.org>; <Pwd@wsis-cs.org>; "Elizabeth K.<BR>Carll
Ph.D." <ecarll@optonline.net><BR>Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 12:58
AM<BR>Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3
of<BR>WSIS CS statement<BR><BR><BR>> Dear Hiroshi and All,<BR>><BR>>
Thank you for your input, as it is obvious that the Disability Caucus<BR>>
has given much thought to the WSIS documents as have others<BR>><BR>> With
regard to your request as to the issue of deleting physical and<BR>> mental
health and in essence deleting mental health, from the document<BR>> now,
seems surprising, as Sylvia had expressed her concerns all along,<BR>> and
these issues were posted on the plenary listserv and I do not<BR>> recall a
request for the removal of mental health from the document<BR>> after the
discussions by the Disability Caucus.<BR>><BR>> In addition, while there
may have been discussion to which those of us<BR>> who were unable to attend
the Tunis Summit are not privy, the process<BR>> of finalizing the document
cannot be based solely on decisions at the<BR>> Summit, as obviously that
would disenfranchise many who were not able<BR>> to participate.
Therefore if that were the case, to be fair and treat<BR>> all
equitably, it require the removal of all information by those who<BR>>
did not attend.<BR>><BR>> Most importantly aside from the many previous
issues and support<BR>> discussed for the inclusion of mental health,
including most recently<BR>> comments by UNGA President Eliasson at the
informal briefing with NGOs<BR>> this past Friday and the White House report
on aging, the inclusion of<BR>> mental health is essential to prevent the
disenfranchisement of a<BR>> large group of the worlds' people as well as the
elimination of<BR>> services to all people affected by traumatic
events.<BR>><BR>> ***Following the logic of Sylvia Caras' argument for the
removal of<BR>> reference to mental health from the documents, I would
request that<BR>> the same be done with removing any reference to those who
are disabled<BR>> as health should be seen a s a seamless service and not
carve out any<BR>> particular population which will further contribute to
the<BR>> stigmatization of that group. Health services to the disabled
are no<BR>> different than other specialties such as cardiac,
etc.<BR>><BR>> The recognition of the importance of addressing mental
health needs<BR>> and labeling it using clear language which is tied directly
to how<BR>> governments decide on funding is essential. To my knowledge
there is<BR>> no funding for access to emotional and spiritual services
by<BR>> governments. Furthermore in many cultures spiritual is viewed
as,<BR>> and often translates into, religious terms which brings with it
a<BR>> whole host of problematic and political issues.<BR>><BR>> In
addition, the reference to physical and mental health was included<BR>> in
each of the health paragraphs in order that each can serve as a<BR>> stand
alone paragraph should one of the points be picked up by the<BR>> media or
other organizations and therefore prevent misinterpretation,<BR>> when taken
out of context.<BR>><BR>> Having a separate section in the document for
one group's (disability)<BR>> interest at the expense of another group's
(physical and mental<BR>> health) interest, by now eliminating reference to
that group at the<BR>> 11th hour, is the opposite of inclusive society and
undermines the<BR>> previously agreed upon<BR>> Geneva CS
Declaration. Therefore, it is requested that if the
language<BR>> for physical and mental health is removed from the CS
Statement, to be<BR>> equitable the same be done with all language references
to disability.<BR>><BR>> Hopefully, this has helped further clarify the
issues.<BR>><BR>> Respectfully,<BR>><BR>> Dr. Elizabeth
Carll<BR>> Health and ICT Working Group<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>> From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org
[mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On<BR>> Behalf Of Hiroshi Kawamura<BR>>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:59 AM<BR>> To: bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de;
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_______________________________________<BR>><BR>> Dear Ralf and
others:<BR>><BR>> As I attached in the body of my posting to CS Plenary
List on 19th<BR>> November, the Disability Caucus adopted the Tunis
Declaration.<BR>> Since the Caucus held two major events on 15th and 18th
November in<BR>> Tunis, I am afraid that none of the Caucus members could
effectively<BR>> commit the process of CS Statement development.<BR>> I
really appreciate CS members who are working on this very difficult<BR>> work
to create a consensus and formulate a CS Statement.<BR>><BR>> At the last
stage of CS Declaration, I must admit that there is still<BR>> a serious
issues to be dealt with among those health professionals and<BR>> disability
caucus regarding the language being used in the "almost<BR>> final version
4.3". As a matter of fact, the concern expressed by<BR>> Sylvia Caras, was
also expressed by her at the Global Forum on<BR>> Disability in the
Information Society in Tunis during the summit and<BR>> she received no
objections on her contributions. Of course there was<BR>> no voting but I
sense that there was positive understanding on her<BR>statements in
general.<BR>><BR>> Quotation from the posting of Sylvia Caras on 15
December:<BR>><BR>> I'd be pleased to see, if that pharse "physical and
mental" were<BR>> deleted, an explanation that "health includes biological,
emotional,<BR>> social, spiritual and vocational well-being" which
seems to me would<BR>> embrace all aspects of health and thus not reuqire
carving out mental<BR>> health.<BR>><BR>> --end of
quotation.<BR>><BR>> As the CSB Focal Point on Disability, I must address
the fact that<BR>> there is a serious disagreement on the language used in
the WSIS CS<BR>> Statement clearly expressed by Sylvia as quoted above. Even
though<BR>> Elizabeth Carl reported that there were only one objection among
the<BR>> Caucus on Health and ICT, I have to point out that the feeling of
the<BR>> Global Forum in Tunis was in support of Sylvia and she addressed
the<BR>> concerns to the WSIS-CT list on behalf of all attendees of the
Global<BR>> Forum in Tunis.<BR>><BR>> In addition, there was no
disability specific active input to the CS<BR>> Statement due to the fact
that WSIS Disability Caucus was focusing on<BR>> its own declaration which
was adopted on 18th November based on all<BR>> disability specific WSIS
process since 2002, I would like to ask the<BR>> editors of the CS Statement
to refer to the Tunis Declaration as<BR>> attached as one of the delarations
and statements of CS that may be<BR>> listed or attached to the CS Statement
rather than inserting<BR>> paragraphs or sentences at this
stage.<BR>><BR>> Best regards,<BR>><BR>> Hiroshi Kawamura<BR>>
WSIS CSB Disability Focal Point<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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