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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>But why <EM>would not</EM> the mention just of
"Health" include "Mental Health," "Physical Health," all health? I think we all
agree all should be included. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>I am still not clear on the reason for specific
elaborations. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>One can '<EM>denumerate' a Set or attempt to
'enumerate' its members.</EM> Why is the latter preferable, and how is
closure to be achieved? (exclusiveness, exhaustiveness, etc.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4><U>Further but not inconsequentially, It might be
good to consider that our cultures should not fit our concepts and values to
insurance practices. But the other way around</U>. Clearly, current senses
of payors and payees contractual obligations are making it hard for mental
health practitioners to do their good works to the fullest. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>As for "seamlessness," we can use the term usefully
here among colleagues as discussants in dialogue . What it means really
<U>ever</U> and outside our discussions is another matter. And in particular
where there are construable hierarchies of power and un or dis
empowerment.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>LDMF.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>----------<BR>Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D.,
J.D..<BR>Respectful Interfaces.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>----- Original Message ----- </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>From: "Elizabeth Carll, PhD" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:ecarll@optonline.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>ecarll@optonline.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>To: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:plenary@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>plenary@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>>; "Zielinski,
Christopher" <</FONT><A href="mailto:zielinskic@who.int"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>zielinskic@who.int</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>>; <</FONT><A
href="mailto:wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=4>>; "Hiroshi Kawamura" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:hiroshikawamura@attglobal.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>hiroshikawamura@attglobal.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>>;
<</FONT><A href="mailto:bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>>;
"WSIS-CT" <</FONT><A href="mailto:ct@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>ct@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>>; "WSIS CT-Drafting"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:ct-drafting@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>ct-drafting@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Cc: "Sylvia Caras" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:sylvia@peoplewho.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>sylvia@peoplewho.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>>;
<</FONT><A href="mailto:Pwd@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>Pwd@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:00
AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Subject: [WSIS-CT] RE: [wsishealth-and-ict] RE:
[Pwd] RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS
statement</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=4></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=4>Dear Kicki and all,<BR><BR>As has been put forth all along, mental health
is more than a focus on mental disability, as it includes human resilience,
development and well-being. The reason there is stigma is the perpetuation of
this archaic notion of mental health being synonymous with mental disability and
the refusal to address the enormous mental health needs of the world.
Unfortunately, governments and countries do not have a seamless service for
mental health being recognized as part of health or primary care, which I agree
would be far more progressive. <BR><BR>As the Disability Caucus was unable
to cite even one country which recognizes mental health as seamless with health
and primary care, it is unrealistic and inappropriate to attempt eliminate the
reference and, in essence, remove any potential allocation of resources for
mental health. Doing so will only perpetuate that mental health will not
be seamless with health by virtue of a lack of allocation of resources.
<BR><BR>Decisions and statements need to based on facts. Until the
Disability Caucus can substantiate that in the current state of world affairs,
there is a seamless recognition of mental health being recognized as part of
health and primary care, the removal of references to "mental health" is not
justified. <BR><BR>The reference to mental well-being in the WHO
definition is appropriate and accurate and serves as one more example of the
recognition of the importance of specifically including mental health in the
definition of health. The "denial" and refusing to recognize the
importance of including mental health in the definition of health by the
Disability Caucus will not create substantive change, merely perpetuate
preexisting biases and stigma and prevent the accomplishment of its
goals.<BR><BR>Elizabeth<BR><BR>Dr. Elizabeth Carll<BR>International Society for
Traumatic Stress Studies;<BR>UN NGO Committee on Mental
Health;<BR>Communications Coordination Committee for the UN<BR>Health and ICT
Working Group<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: </FONT><A
href="mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>
[mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On Behalf Of Kicki Nordström<BR>Sent:
Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:06 AM<BR>To: Zielinski, Christopher; </FONT><A
href="mailto:wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>;
Hiroshi Kawamura; </FONT><A href="mailto:plenary@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>plenary@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>; </FONT><A
href="mailto:bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>; WSIS-CT;
WSIS CT-Drafting<BR>Cc: Sylvia Caras; </FONT><A
href="mailto:Pwd@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>Pwd@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>; </FONT><A
href="mailto:wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=4>Subject: SV: [wsishealth-and-ict] RE: [Pwd] RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re:
[WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement<BR><BR><BR>Dear
Chris,<BR><BR>The disability movement has just denied this old WHO definition
since it separate physical and mental health from each other. We have drafted
text in the convention as follow: <BR><BR>States Parties recognise that "persons
with disabilities" have the right to the enjoyment of the highest attainable
standard of health without discrimination "on the basis of disability".
States Parties shall take all appropriate measures to ensure access "for persons
with disabilities" to health services, including health-related
rehabilitation. In particular, States Parties shall: <BR><BR>I have quoted
what is disability specific, and you could delete this and then have the text
which is proposed for this new Human Rights
treaty.<BR><BR>Yours<BR>Kicki<BR>Kicki Nordström <BR>World Blind Union
<BR>Immediate Past President <BR>c/o SRF Iris AB <BR>122 88 Enskede
<BR>Sweden <BR>Tel: +46 (0)8 399 000 <BR>Fax: +46 (0)8 725 99 20 <BR>Cell: +46
(0)70 766 18 19 <BR>E-mail: </FONT><A href="mailto:kino@iris.se"><FONT
face=Arial size=4>kino@iris.se</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>
<BR><BR><BR><BR>Från: Zielinski, Christopher [mailto:zielinskic@who.int]
<BR>Skickat: den 19 december 2005 20:05<BR>Till: </FONT><A
href="mailto:wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>;
Kicki Nordström; Hiroshi Kawamura; </FONT><A
href="mailto:plenary@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>plenary@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>; </FONT><A
href="mailto:bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>; WSIS-CT;
WSIS CT-Drafting<BR>Kopia: Sylvia Caras; </FONT><A
href="mailto:Pwd@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>Pwd@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>; </FONT><A
href="mailto:wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=4>Ämne: RE: [wsishealth-and-ict] RE: [Pwd] RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re:
[WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement<BR><BR><BR>Why not just
start the piece with the WHO Constitutution definition: "Health is a state of
complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of
disease or infirmity." Then you don't need to repeat or divide
...<BR><BR>Chris<BR></FONT><A href="mailto:zielinskic@who.int"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>zielinskic@who.int</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>
<BR><BR><BR><BR>From: </FONT><A
href="mailto:wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4> on
behalf of Elizabeth Carll, PhD<BR>Sent: Sun 18/12/2005 20:27<BR>To: Kicki
Nordström; Hiroshi Kawamura; </FONT><A href="mailto:plenary@wsis-cs.org"><FONT
face=Arial size=4>plenary@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>;
</FONT><A href="mailto:bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>; WSIS-CT;
WSIS CT-Drafting<BR>Cc: Sylvia Caras; </FONT><A
href="mailto:Pwd@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>Pwd@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>; </FONT><A
href="mailto:wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=4>Subject: [wsishealth-and-ict] RE: [Pwd] RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re:
[WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement<BR><BR><BR>In further
thinking about this, it is not clear as to what you believe would<BR>happen if
physical and mental health are included in the Statement, as<BR>opposed to
omitting it as you suggest? They were included in the
CS<BR>Declaration.<BR><BR>Physical and mental health are already viewed as
disconnected. Having both<BR>physical and mental health included will help
insure that both are<BR>recognized and not overlooked. Ignoring the lack
of services for mental<BR>health, because one wants it to be seen as seamless
with (physical) health<BR>will not encourage governments to spend $$$ and
provide resources.<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: </FONT><A
href="mailto:ct-admin@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>ct-admin@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>
[mailto:ct-admin@wsis-cs.org]On Behalf Of<BR>Elizabeth Carll, PhD<BR>Sent:
Sunday, December 18, 2005 2:59 PM<BR>To: Kicki Nordström; Hiroshi Kawamura;
</FONT><A href="mailto:plenary@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>plenary@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>;<BR></FONT><A
href="mailto:bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>; WSIS-CT;
WSIS CT-Drafting<BR>Cc: Sylvia Caras; </FONT><A
href="mailto:Pwd@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>Pwd@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>; </FONT><A
href="mailto:wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=4>Subject: RE: [Pwd] RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost
final<BR>version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement<BR><BR><BR>Dear Kicki,<BR><BR>I
couldn't agree with you more that physical and mental health should not
be<BR>separated, which is why they are included in the health
section.<BR>Unfortunately governments are not so enlightened. According to
the World<BR>Health Organization and statements by Kofi Annan, approximately 40%
of the<BR>world’s countries have no articulated mental health policy, and over
30%<BR>have no mental health programs.<BR><BR>If as you state nowadays everyone
knows that physical and mental health are<BR>tied together, there would not be
such disparity in services for mental<BR>health. Therefore, many countries do
NOT know that physical and mental<BR>health should be tied together and failing
to point to the need for physical<BR>and mental health will only perpetuate the
problem.<BR><BR>But then, these points have discussed many times
before.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR><BR>Elizabeth<BR><BR>Dr. Elizabeth
Carll<BR>Health and ICT Working Group<BR>International Society for Traumatic
Stress Studies;<BR>Communications Coordination Committee for the UN;<BR>UN NGO
Committee on Mental Health<BR>New York, USA<BR>Tel: 1631-754-2424<BR>Fax:
1631-754-5032<BR></FONT><A href="mailto:ecarll@optonline.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>ecarll@optonline.net</FONT></A><BR><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=4>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Kicki Nordström
[mailto:kino@iris.se]<BR>Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 2:21 PM<BR>To:
Elizabeth Carll, PhD; Hiroshi Kawamura; </FONT><A
href="mailto:plenary@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>plenary@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>;<BR></FONT><A
href="mailto:bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>; WSIS-CT;
WSIS CT-Drafting<BR>Cc: Sylvia Caras; </FONT><A
href="mailto:Pwd@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>Pwd@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>; </FONT><A
href="mailto:wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=4>Subject: SV: [Pwd] RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost
final<BR>version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement<BR><BR><BR>Dear Elisabeth,<BR><BR>You
seems not to understand that this is not only a matter for 600
Million<BR>persons with disabilities, it is a matter of language and what we
want to<BR>achieve with the text in the future! Old and out of fashion language
and<BR>meanings should not be used and everyone now adays know that
physical and<BR>mental well being is tied together and therefore should
not be separated!<BR><BR>Yours<BR>Kicki<BR><BR><BR>Kicki Nordström<BR>World
Blind Union<BR>Immediate Past President<BR>c/o SRF Iris AB<BR>122 88
Enskede<BR>Sweden<BR>Tel: +46 (0)8 399 000<BR>Fax: +46 (0)8 725 99 20<BR>Cell:
+46 (0)70 766 18 19<BR>E-mail: </FONT><A href="mailto:kino@iris.se"><FONT
face=Arial size=4>kino@iris.se</FONT></A><BR><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=4>-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----<BR>Från: </FONT><A
href="mailto:pwd-admin@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>pwd-admin@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>
[mailto:pwd-admin@wsis-cs.org] För Elizabeth<BR>Carll, PhD<BR>Skickat: den 18
december 2005 18:48<BR>Till: Hiroshi Kawamura; </FONT><A
href="mailto:plenary@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>plenary@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>; </FONT><A
href="mailto:bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=4>;<BR>WSIS-CT; WSIS CT-Drafting<BR>Kopia: Sylvia Caras; </FONT><A
href="mailto:Pwd@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>Pwd@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>; </FONT><A
href="mailto:wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=4>Ämne: [Pwd] RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3
of<BR>WSIS CS statement<BR>Prioritet: Hög<BR><BR>Dear Hiroshi,<BR><BR>The
presence of those with disabilities is very important and certainly<BR>laudable
in view if the many obstacles to participation. I believe it is<BR>very
difficult for civil society to counter and influence governments due to<BR>the
lack of available and equitable resources, Many of us are not
paid<BR>staff, as I am a volunteer who has personally paid all expenses,
including<BR>to travel to Geneva and elsewhere as my NGO does not have funding (
and I am<BR>not independently wealthy). However, I believe there are
important issues<BR>which must be addressed for the future of our society and
that is what<BR>motivates my continued participation, even though it is at
considerable<BR>personal expense. I believe many individuals contribute
in many ways for<BR>CS to have a voice.<BR><BR>Your raising awareness of
the issues is understandable. At the same time,<BR>it is important to
recognize that lack of mental health information and<BR>services can lead to
disability, but that this is only one group of<BR>consumers within the mental
health community, which is much more broader<BR>including those who are not
disabled but are in need of services due to<BR>violence, war, trauma, family
dysfunction, coping with catastrophic<BR>illnesses, such as AIDS. etc and the
same distinction can be made for<BR>physical health as well. Therefore, it
would be inappropriate to have<BR>policy and decisions driven by one subgroup
within the context of physical<BR>and mental health.<BR><BR>From a mental health
perspective, there is language that would be preferable<BR>in the disability
paragraphs, however, respecting the right of self<BR>determination of each
group, including the disability caucus, was the reason<BR>I did not advocate
changing language in the disability contributions.<BR><BR>As far as delaying
this another 18 hours and then concluding the text, I do<BR>not see where that
would make a difference as all of the issues appear to<BR>have been discussed
and rediscussed. In addition, if the CS Statement is<BR>going to have
some, hopefully, wide media coverage it must be sent out<BR>quickly as it is
getting very close to the holidays for many and this is not<BR>the kind of
information that is easily picked up nor seen as of interest at<BR>that
time. If there is to be a delay, I would then suggest sending a
press<BR>release out in January as part of new year events.<BR><BR>In addition,
having commitments for the beginning of this week, I and others<BR>may not be
able to participate. and therefore, I would suggest to follow the<BR>agreed upon
deadline, as much has been discussed and rediscussed already,<BR>and look
forward to the finalization of the CS Statement.<BR><BR>Best
regards,<BR><BR>Elizabeth<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Hiroshi
Kawamura [mailto:hiroshikawamura@attglobal.net]<BR>Sent: Sunday, December 18,
2005 11:41 AM<BR>To: Elizabeth Carll, PhD; </FONT><A
href="mailto:plenary@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>plenary@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>; </FONT><A
href="mailto:bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=4>;<BR>WSIS-CT; WSIS CT-Drafting<BR>Cc: Sylvia Caras; </FONT><A
href="mailto:Pwd@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>Pwd@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>; Elizabeth K. Carll
Ph.D.<BR>Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3
of<BR>WSIS CS statement<BR><BR><BR>Dear Elizabeth:<BR><BR>Thank you very much
for your detailed response.<BR><BR>My intention is to raise awareness on the
fact that Sylvia is not the only<BR>one who are concenred with separation of
mental health from other health<BR>issues in the context based on the
observation of the discussions at the<BR>Global Forum in Tunis. It is very
important to listen to the voices<BR>representing those who are with
disabilities and reach consensus even if the<BR>deadline set out is very
close.<BR>I would like to suggest to wait further input for at least 18 hours
from now<BR>on before concluding the final text.<BR><BR>Of course I don't want
to exclude anyone to take part in the discussion on<BR>the list, but at the same
time I must point out the effort and contributions<BR>of those persons with and
without disabilities who gathered in Tunis at the<BR>price of their all
difficulties of travel and almost no connection to the<BR>internet at their
disposal during their stay in Tunis. There was almost no<BR>opportunities of
actively getting involved in the e-mail discussion during<BR>the Tunis Summit
for almost all Disability Caucus participants because of a<BR>lot of
difficulties on site. And once you are lost, it was not easy to catch<BR>up the
process of development of the CS Statement.<BR><BR>In addition, as you have
observed through pwd list, the Disability Caucus<BR>worked on the Tunis
Declaration to be adopted on 18th. I suppose many of<BR>other caucuses have
concluded their WSIS participation with some substantial<BR>documents or
statements. That is the reason why I propose the editor of the<BR>Statement to
list those documents to include diversity of outcomes of WSIS<BR>Civil Society
so that they will supplement the Statement even if some of the<BR>Caucuses could
not take part in the process sufficiently.<BR><BR>I hope to see further
discussions on those points.<BR><BR>Best<BR><BR>Hiroshi<BR><BR>----- Original
Message -----<BR>From: "Elizabeth Carll, PhD" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:ecarll@optonline.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>ecarll@optonline.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>><BR>To:
<</FONT><A href="mailto:plenary@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>plenary@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>>; <</FONT><A
href="mailto:bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>>;
"WSIS-CT"<BR><</FONT><A href="mailto:ct@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>ct@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>>; "WSIS CT-Drafting"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:ct-drafting@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>ct-drafting@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>><BR>Cc:
"Sylvia Caras" <</FONT><A href="mailto:sylvia@peoplewho.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>sylvia@peoplewho.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>>;
<</FONT><A href="mailto:Pwd@wsis-cs.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=4>Pwd@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=4>>; "Elizabeth
K.<BR>Carll Ph.D." <</FONT><A href="mailto:ecarll@optonline.net"><FONT
face=Arial size=4>ecarll@optonline.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=4>><BR>Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 12:58 AM<BR>Subject: RE: [WSIS
CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of<BR>WSIS CS
statement<BR><BR><BR>> Dear Hiroshi and All,<BR>><BR>> Thank you for
your input, as it is obvious that the Disability Caucus<BR>> has given much
thought to the WSIS documents as have others<BR>><BR>> With regard to your
request as to the issue of deleting physical and<BR>> mental health and in
essence deleting mental health, from the document<BR>> now, seems surprising,
as Sylvia had expressed her concerns all along,<BR>> and these issues were
posted on the plenary listserv and I do not<BR>> recall a request for the
removal of mental health from the document<BR>> after the discussions by the
Disability Caucus.<BR>><BR>> In addition, while there may have been
discussion to which those of us<BR>> who were unable to attend the Tunis
Summit are not privy, the process<BR>> of finalizing the document cannot be
based solely on decisions at the<BR>> Summit, as obviously that would
disenfranchise many who were not able<BR>> to participate. Therefore if
that were the case, to be fair and treat<BR>> all equitably, it require
the removal of all information by those who<BR>> did not
attend.<BR>><BR>> Most importantly aside from the many previous issues and
support<BR>> discussed for the inclusion of mental health, including most
recently<BR>> comments by UNGA President Eliasson at the informal briefing
with NGOs<BR>> this past Friday and the White House report on aging, the
inclusion of<BR>> mental health is essential to prevent the
disenfranchisement of a<BR>> large group of the worlds' people as well as the
elimination of<BR>> services to all people affected by traumatic
events.<BR>><BR>> ***Following the logic of Sylvia Caras' argument for the
removal of<BR>> reference to mental health from the documents, I would
request that<BR>> the same be done with removing any reference to those who
are disabled<BR>> as health should be seen a s a seamless service and not
carve out any<BR>> particular population which will further contribute to
the<BR>> stigmatization of that group. Health services to the disabled
are no<BR>> different than other specialties such as cardiac,
etc.<BR>><BR>> The recognition of the importance of addressing mental
health needs<BR>> and labeling it using clear language which is tied directly
to how<BR>> governments decide on funding is essential. To my knowledge
there is<BR>> no funding for access to emotional and spiritual services
by<BR>> governments. Furthermore in many cultures spiritual is viewed
as,<BR>> and often translates into, religious terms which brings with it
a<BR>> whole host of problematic and political issues.<BR>><BR>> In
addition, the reference to physical and mental health was included<BR>> in
each of the health paragraphs in order that each can serve as a<BR>> stand
alone paragraph should one of the points be picked up by the<BR>> media or
other organizations and therefore prevent misinterpretation,<BR>> when taken
out of context.<BR>><BR>> Having a separate section in the document for
one group's (disability)<BR>> interest at the expense of another group's
(physical and mental<BR>> health) interest, by now eliminating reference to
that group at the<BR>> 11th hour, is the opposite of inclusive society and
undermines the<BR>> previously agreed upon<BR>> Geneva CS
Declaration. Therefore, it is requested that if the
language<BR>> for physical and mental health is removed from the CS
Statement, to be<BR>> equitable the same be done with all language references
to disability.<BR>><BR>> Hopefully, this has helped further clarify the
issues.<BR>><BR>> Respectfully,<BR>><BR>> Dr. Elizabeth
Carll<BR>> Health and ICT Working Group<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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_______________________________________<BR>><BR>> Dear Ralf and
others:<BR>><BR>> As I attached in the body of my posting to CS Plenary
List on 19th<BR>> November, the Disability Caucus adopted the Tunis
Declaration.<BR>> Since the Caucus held two major events on 15th and 18th
November in<BR>> Tunis, I am afraid that none of the Caucus members could
effectively<BR>> commit the process of CS Statement development.<BR>> I
really appreciate CS members who are working on this very difficult<BR>> work
to create a consensus and formulate a CS Statement.<BR>><BR>> At the last
stage of CS Declaration, I must admit that there is still<BR>> a serious
issues to be dealt with among those health professionals and<BR>> disability
caucus regarding the language being used in the "almost<BR>> final version
4.3". As a matter of fact, the concern expressed by<BR>> Sylvia Caras, was
also expressed by her at the Global Forum on<BR>> Disability in the
Information Society in Tunis during the summit and<BR>> she received no
objections on her contributions. Of course there was<BR>> no voting but I
sense that there was positive understanding on her<BR>statements in
general.<BR>><BR>> Quotation from the posting of Sylvia Caras on 15
December:<BR>><BR>> I'd be pleased to see, if that pharse "physical and
mental" were<BR>> deleted, an explanation that "health includes biological,
emotional,<BR>> social, spiritual and vocational well-being" which
seems to me would<BR>> embrace all aspects of health and thus not reuqire
carving out mental<BR>> health.<BR>><BR>> --end of
quotation.<BR>><BR>> As the CSB Focal Point on Disability, I must address
the fact that<BR>> there is a serious disagreement on the language used in
the WSIS CS<BR>> Statement clearly expressed by Sylvia as quoted above. Even
though<BR>> Elizabeth Carl reported that there were only one objection among
the<BR>> Caucus on Health and ICT, I have to point out that the feeling of
the<BR>> Global Forum in Tunis was in support of Sylvia and she addressed
the<BR>> concerns to the WSIS-CT list on behalf of all attendees of the
Global<BR>> Forum in Tunis.<BR>><BR>> In addition, there was no
disability specific active input to the CS<BR>> Statement due to the fact
that WSIS Disability Caucus was focusing on<BR>> its own declaration which
was adopted on 18th November based on all<BR>> disability specific WSIS
process since 2002, I would like to ask the<BR>> editors of the CS Statement
to refer to the Tunis Declaration as<BR>> attached as one of the delarations
and statements of CS that may be<BR>> listed or attached to the CS Statement
rather than inserting<BR>> paragraphs or sentences at this
stage.<BR>><BR>> Best regards,<BR>><BR>> Hiroshi Kawamura<BR>>
WSIS CSB Disability Focal
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