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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thank you too, and all. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>This opens up some information I think we all
<EM>need</EM> to know, or which will <EM>at least</EM> expand awareness for many
of us - I include myself. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>When we have a bit more time it will be good to turn to
the very influencing issue(s) of resources (for NGOs, for knowledge and
application domains - across cultures <U>and respective to individuals- where
"the rubber meets the road" for so many</U>). Again, this is
<STRONG>(E1)</STRONG> - the first E (Equipping, in all senses) - in
the <STRONG>R.E.S.P.E.C.T</STRONG><EM>.</EM> paradigm for getting things done
(with the Respectful Interfaces, multistakeholder approach)...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes, LDMF.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>----------<BR>Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D..</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ecarll@optonline.net href="mailto:ecarll@optonline.net">Elizabeth
Carll, PhD</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com">wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com</A>
; <A title=plenary@wsis-cs.org
href="mailto:plenary@wsis-cs.org">plenary@wsis-cs.org</A> ; <A
title=zielinskic@who.int href="mailto:zielinskic@who.int">Zielinski,
Christopher</A> ; <A title=hiroshikawamura@attglobal.net
href="mailto:hiroshikawamura@attglobal.net">Hiroshi Kawamura</A> ; <A
title=bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de
href="mailto:bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de">bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de</A> ; <A
title=ct@wsis-cs.org href="mailto:ct@wsis-cs.org">WSIS-CT</A> ; <A
title=ct-drafting@wsis-cs.org href="mailto:ct-drafting@wsis-cs.org">WSIS
CT-Drafting</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=sylvia@peoplewho.org
href="mailto:sylvia@peoplewho.org">Sylvia Caras</A> ; <A title=Pwd@wsis-cs.org
href="mailto:Pwd@wsis-cs.org">Pwd@wsis-cs.org</A> ; <A
title=respectful_interfaces@att.net
href="mailto:respectful_interfaces@att.net">respectful_interfaces@att.net</A>
; <A title=ldmisekfalkoff@gmail.com
href="mailto:ldmisekfalkoff@gmail.com">ldmisekfalkoff@gmail.com</A> ; <A
title=adfonatt@att.net href="mailto:adfonatt@att.net">adfonatt@att.net</A> ;
<A title=disabiilityparty@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:disabiilityparty@yahoogroups.com">disabiilityparty@yahoogroups.com</A>
; <A title=invisible_NO-MORE@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:invisible_NO-MORE@yahoogroups.com">invisible_NO-MORE@yahoogroups.com</A>
; <A title=portal-PWPI@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:portal-PWPI@yahoogroups.com">portal-PWPI@yahoogroups.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 21, 2005 11:17
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [wsishealth-and-ict] missing the
larger picture-almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><TT>Linda and all,<BR><BR>The issue is not about insurance per
se, and good that you brought it up, as most developing countries do not have
practitioners in the traditional sense, but local health clinics, especially
for the poor which do not have resources for mental health services for
families children, and victims of violence. My reference applies
to government resources for access to information and services, of which the
health insurance issue is but only one issue.<BR><BR>Thank you for helping to
clarify.<BR><BR>Elizabeth<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com">wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com</A>
[mailto:wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of L.D.Misek-Falkoff,
Ph.D., J.D..<BR>Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 11:01 AM<BR>To: Elizabeth
Carll, PhD; <A href="mailto:plenary@wsis-cs.org">plenary@wsis-cs.org</A>;
Zielinski, Christopher; <A
href="mailto:wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com">wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com</A>;
Hiroshi Kawamura; <A
href="mailto:bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de">bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de</A>;
WSIS-CT; WSIS CT-Drafting<BR>Cc: Sylvia Caras; <A
href="mailto:Pwd@wsis-cs.org">Pwd@wsis-cs.org</A>; <A
href="mailto:respectful_interfaces@att.net">respectful_interfaces@att.net</A>;
<A href="mailto:ldmisekfalkoff@gmail.com">ldmisekfalkoff@gmail.com</A>; <A
href="mailto:adfonatt@att.net">adfonatt@att.net</A>; <A
href="mailto:disabiilityparty@yahoogroups.com">disabiilityparty@yahoogroups.com</A>;
<A
href="mailto:invisible_NO-MORE@yahoogroups.com">invisible_NO-MORE@yahoogroups.com</A>;
<A
href="mailto:portal-PWPI@yahoogroups.com">portal-PWPI@yahoogroups.com</A><BR>Subject:
Re: [WSIS-CT] RE: [wsishealth-and-ict] RE: [Pwd] RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re:
[WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement<BR><BR><BR>But why
would not the mention just of "Health" include "Mental Health," "Physical
Health," all health? I think we all agree all should be included. <BR><BR>I am
still not clear on the reason for specific elaborations. <BR><BR>One can
'denumerate' a Set or attempt to 'enumerate' its members. Why is the
latter preferable, and how is closure to be achieved? (exclusiveness,
exhaustiveness, etc.)<BR><BR>Further but not inconsequentially, It might be
good to consider that our cultures should not fit our concepts and values to
insurance practices. But the other way around. Clearly, current senses
of payors and payees contractual obligations are making it hard for mental
health practitioners to do their good works to the fullest. <BR><BR>As for
"seamlessness," we can use the term usefully here among colleagues as
discussants in dialogue . What it means really ever and outside our
discussions is another matter. And in particular where there are construable
hierarchies of power and un or dis
empowerment.<BR><BR>LDMF.<BR>----------<BR>Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D.,
J.D..<BR>Respectful Interfaces.<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From:
"Elizabeth Carll, PhD" <ecarll@optonline.net><BR>To:
<plenary@wsis-cs.org>; "Zielinski, Christopher"
<zielinskic@who.int>; <wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com>;
"Hiroshi Kawamura" <hiroshikawamura@attglobal.net>;
<bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de>; "WSIS-CT" <ct@wsis-cs.org>; "WSIS
CT-Drafting" <ct-drafting@wsis-cs.org><BR>Cc: "Sylvia Caras"
<sylvia@peoplewho.org>; <Pwd@wsis-cs.org><BR>Sent: Wednesday,
December 21, 2005 10:00 AM<BR>Subject: [WSIS-CT] RE: [wsishealth-and-ict] RE:
[Pwd] RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS
statement<BR><BR><BR>Dear Kicki and all,<BR><BR>As has been put forth all
along, mental health is more than a focus on mental disability, as it includes
human resilience, development and well-being. The reason there is stigma is
the perpetuation of this archaic notion of mental health being synonymous with
mental disability and the refusal to address the enormous mental health needs
of the world. Unfortunately, governments and countries do not have a
seamless service for mental health being recognized as part of health or
primary care, which I agree would be far more progressive. <BR><BR>As
the Disability Caucus was unable to cite even one country which recognizes
mental health as seamless with health and primary care, it is unrealistic and
inappropriate to attempt eliminate the reference and, in essence, remove any
potential allocation of resources for mental health. Doing so will only
perpetuate that mental health will not be seamless with health by virtue of a
lack of allocation of resources. <BR><BR>Decisions and statements need
to based on facts. Until the Disability Caucus can substantiate that in
the current state of world affairs, there is a seamless recognition of mental
health being recognized as part of health and primary care, the removal of
references to "mental health" is not justified. <BR><BR>The reference to
mental well-being in the WHO definition is appropriate and accurate and serves
as one more example of the recognition of the importance of specifically
including mental health in the definition of health. The "denial" and
refusing to recognize the importance of including mental health in the
definition of health by the Disability Caucus will not create substantive
change, merely perpetuate preexisting biases and stigma and prevent the
accomplishment of its goals.<BR><BR>Elizabeth<BR><BR>Dr. Elizabeth
Carll<BR>International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;<BR>UN NGO
Committee on Mental Health;<BR>Communications Coordination Committee for the
UN<BR>Health and ICT Working Group<BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org
[mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On Behalf Of Kicki Nordström<BR>Sent:
Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:06 AM<BR>To: Zielinski, Christopher;
wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com; Hiroshi Kawamura; plenary@wsis-cs.org;
bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de; WSIS-CT; WSIS CT-Drafting<BR>Cc: Sylvia Caras;
Pwd@wsis-cs.org; wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com<BR>Subject: SV:
[wsishealth-and-ict] RE: [Pwd] RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost
final version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement<BR><BR><BR>Dear Chris,<BR><BR>The
disability movement has just denied this old WHO definition since it separate
physical and mental health from each other. We have drafted text in the
convention as follow: <BR><BR>States Parties recognise that "persons with
disabilities" have the right to the enjoyment of the highest attainable
standard of health without discrimination "on the basis of disability".
States Parties shall take all appropriate measures to ensure access "for
persons with disabilities" to health services, including health-related
rehabilitation. In particular, States Parties shall: <BR><BR>I have
quoted what is disability specific, and you could delete this and then have
the text which is proposed for this new Human Rights
treaty.<BR><BR>Yours<BR>Kicki<BR>Kicki Nordström <BR>World Blind Union
<BR>Immediate Past President <BR>c/o SRF Iris AB <BR>122 88 Enskede
<BR>Sweden <BR>Tel: +46 (0)8 399 000 <BR>Fax: +46 (0)8 725 99 20 <BR>Cell: +46
(0)70 766 18 19 <BR>E-mail: kino@iris.se <BR><BR><BR><BR>Från: Zielinski,
Christopher [mailto:zielinskic@who.int] <BR>Skickat: den 19 december 2005
20:05<BR>Till: wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com; Kicki Nordström; Hiroshi
Kawamura; plenary@wsis-cs.org; bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de; WSIS-CT; WSIS
CT-Drafting<BR>Kopia: Sylvia Caras; Pwd@wsis-cs.org;
wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com<BR>Ämne: RE: [wsishealth-and-ict] RE: [Pwd]
RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS
statement<BR><BR><BR>Why not just start the piece with the WHO Constitutution
definition: "Health is a state of complete physical, mental and social
well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity." Then you
don't need to repeat or divide ...<BR><BR>Chris<BR>zielinskic@who.int
<BR><BR><BR><BR>From: wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com on behalf of
Elizabeth Carll, PhD<BR>Sent: Sun 18/12/2005 20:27<BR>To: Kicki Nordström;
Hiroshi Kawamura; plenary@wsis-cs.org; bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de; WSIS-CT;
WSIS CT-Drafting<BR>Cc: Sylvia Caras; Pwd@wsis-cs.org;
wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com<BR>Subject: [wsishealth-and-ict] RE: [Pwd]
RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS
statement<BR><BR><BR>In further thinking about this, it is not clear as to
what you believe would<BR>happen if physical and mental health are included in
the Statement, as<BR>opposed to omitting it as you suggest? They were included
in the CS<BR>Declaration.<BR><BR>Physical and mental health are already viewed
as disconnected. Having both<BR>physical and mental health included will
help insure that both are<BR>recognized and not overlooked. Ignoring the
lack of services for mental<BR>health, because one wants it to be seen as
seamless with (physical) health<BR>will not encourage governments to spend $$$
and provide resources.<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
ct-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:ct-admin@wsis-cs.org]On Behalf Of<BR>Elizabeth
Carll, PhD<BR>Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 2:59 PM<BR>To: Kicki Nordström;
Hiroshi Kawamura; plenary@wsis-cs.org;<BR>bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de;
WSIS-CT; WSIS CT-Drafting<BR>Cc: Sylvia Caras; Pwd@wsis-cs.org;
wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com<BR>Subject: RE: [Pwd] RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary]
Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final<BR>version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement<BR><BR><BR>Dear
Kicki,<BR><BR>I couldn't agree with you more that physical and mental health
should not be<BR>separated, which is why they are included in the health
section.<BR>Unfortunately governments are not so enlightened. According
to the World<BR>Health Organization and statements by Kofi Annan,
approximately 40% of the<BR>world’s countries have no articulated mental
health policy, and over 30%<BR>have no mental health programs.<BR><BR>If as
you state nowadays everyone knows that physical and mental health are<BR>tied
together, there would not be such disparity in services for mental<BR>health.
Therefore, many countries do NOT know that physical and mental<BR>health
should be tied together and failing to point to the need for physical<BR>and
mental health will only perpetuate the problem.<BR><BR>But then, these points
have discussed many times before.<BR><BR>Best
regards,<BR><BR>Elizabeth<BR><BR>Dr. Elizabeth Carll<BR>Health and ICT Working
Group<BR>International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;<BR>Communications
Coordination Committee for the UN;<BR>UN NGO Committee on Mental Health<BR>New
York, USA<BR>Tel: 1631-754-2424<BR>Fax:
1631-754-5032<BR>ecarll@optonline.net<BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Kicki Nordström [mailto:kino@iris.se]<BR>Sent: Sunday,
December 18, 2005 2:21 PM<BR>To: Elizabeth Carll, PhD; Hiroshi Kawamura;
plenary@wsis-cs.org;<BR>bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de; WSIS-CT; WSIS
CT-Drafting<BR>Cc: Sylvia Caras; Pwd@wsis-cs.org;
wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com<BR>Subject: SV: [Pwd] RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary]
Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final<BR>version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement<BR><BR><BR>Dear
Elisabeth,<BR><BR>You seems not to understand that this is not only a matter
for 600 Million<BR>persons with disabilities, it is a matter of language and
what we want to<BR>achieve with the text in the future! Old and out of fashion
language and<BR>meanings should not be used and everyone now adays know that
physical and<BR>mental well being is tied together and therefore should
not be separated!<BR><BR>Yours<BR>Kicki<BR><BR><BR>Kicki Nordström<BR>World
Blind Union<BR>Immediate Past President<BR>c/o SRF Iris AB<BR>122 88
Enskede<BR>Sweden<BR>Tel: +46 (0)8 399 000<BR>Fax: +46 (0)8 725 99 20<BR>Cell:
+46 (0)70 766 18 19<BR>E-mail: kino@iris.se<BR><BR>-----Ursprungligt
meddelande-----<BR>Från: pwd-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:pwd-admin@wsis-cs.org]
För Elizabeth<BR>Carll, PhD<BR>Skickat: den 18 december 2005 18:48<BR>Till:
Hiroshi Kawamura; plenary@wsis-cs.org;
bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de;<BR>WSIS-CT; WSIS CT-Drafting<BR>Kopia: Sylvia
Caras; Pwd@wsis-cs.org; wsishealth-and-ict@yahoogroups.com<BR>Ämne: [Pwd] RE:
[WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of<BR>WSIS CS
statement<BR>Prioritet: Hög<BR><BR>Dear Hiroshi,<BR><BR>The presence of those
with disabilities is very important and certainly<BR>laudable in view if the
many obstacles to participation. I believe it is<BR>very difficult for
civil society to counter and influence governments due to<BR>the lack of
available and equitable resources, Many of us are not
paid<BR>staff, as I am a volunteer who has personally paid all expenses,
including<BR>to travel to Geneva and elsewhere as my NGO does not have funding
( and I am<BR>not independently wealthy). However, I believe there are
important issues<BR>which must be addressed for the future of our society and
that is what<BR>motivates my continued participation, even though it is
at considerable<BR>personal expense. I believe many individuals
contribute in many ways for<BR>CS to have a voice.<BR><BR>Your raising
awareness of the issues is understandable. At the same time,<BR>it is
important to recognize that lack of mental health information and<BR>services
can lead to disability, but that this is only one group of<BR>consumers within
the mental health community, which is much more broader<BR>including those who
are not disabled but are in need of services due to<BR>violence, war, trauma,
family dysfunction, coping with catastrophic<BR>illnesses, such as AIDS. etc
and the same distinction can be made for<BR>physical health as well.
Therefore, it would be inappropriate to have<BR>policy and decisions driven by
one subgroup within the context of physical<BR>and mental health.<BR><BR>From
a mental health perspective, there is language that would be preferable<BR>in
the disability paragraphs, however, respecting the right of
self<BR>determination of each group, including the disability caucus, was the
reason<BR>I did not advocate changing language in the disability
contributions.<BR><BR>As far as delaying this another 18 hours and then
concluding the text, I do<BR>not see where that would make a difference as all
of the issues appear to<BR>have been discussed and rediscussed. In
addition, if the CS Statement is<BR>going to have some, hopefully, wide media
coverage it must be sent out<BR>quickly as it is getting very close to the
holidays for many and this is not<BR>the kind of information that is easily
picked up nor seen as of interest at<BR>that time. If there is to be a
delay, I would then suggest sending a press<BR>release out in January as part
of new year events.<BR><BR>In addition, having commitments for the beginning
of this week, I and others<BR>may not be able to participate. and therefore, I
would suggest to follow the<BR>agreed upon deadline, as much has been
discussed and rediscussed already,<BR>and look forward to the finalization of
the CS Statement.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR><BR>Elizabeth<BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Hiroshi Kawamura
[mailto:hiroshikawamura@attglobal.net]<BR>Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005
11:41 AM<BR>To: Elizabeth Carll, PhD; plenary@wsis-cs.org;
bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de;<BR>WSIS-CT; WSIS CT-Drafting<BR>Cc: Sylvia Caras;
Pwd@wsis-cs.org; Elizabeth K. Carll Ph.D.<BR>Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary]
Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of<BR>WSIS CS statement<BR><BR><BR>Dear
Elizabeth:<BR><BR>Thank you very much for your detailed response.<BR><BR>My
intention is to raise awareness on the fact that Sylvia is not the only<BR>one
who are concenred with separation of mental health from other health<BR>issues
in the context based on the observation of the discussions at the<BR>Global
Forum in Tunis. It is very important to listen to the voices<BR>representing
those who are with disabilities and reach consensus even if the<BR>deadline
set out is very close.<BR>I would like to suggest to wait further input for at
least 18 hours from now<BR>on before concluding the final text.<BR><BR>Of
course I don't want to exclude anyone to take part in the discussion on<BR>the
list, but at the same time I must point out the effort and contributions<BR>of
those persons with and without disabilities who gathered in Tunis at
the<BR>price of their all difficulties of travel and almost no connection to
the<BR>internet at their disposal during their stay in Tunis. There was almost
no<BR>opportunities of actively getting involved in the e-mail discussion
during<BR>the Tunis Summit for almost all Disability Caucus participants
because of a<BR>lot of difficulties on site. And once you are lost, it was not
easy to catch<BR>up the process of development of the CS Statement.<BR><BR>In
addition, as you have observed through pwd list, the Disability
Caucus<BR>worked on the Tunis Declaration to be adopted on 18th. I suppose
many of<BR>other caucuses have concluded their WSIS participation with some
substantial<BR>documents or statements. That is the reason why I propose the
editor of the<BR>Statement to list those documents to include diversity of
outcomes of WSIS<BR>Civil Society so that they will supplement the Statement
even if some of the<BR>Caucuses could not take part in the process
sufficiently.<BR><BR>I hope to see further discussions on those
points.<BR><BR>Best<BR><BR>Hiroshi<BR><BR>----- Original Message
-----<BR>From: "Elizabeth Carll, PhD" <ecarll@optonline.net><BR>To:
<plenary@wsis-cs.org>; <bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de>;
"WSIS-CT"<BR><ct@wsis-cs.org>; "WSIS CT-Drafting"
<ct-drafting@wsis-cs.org><BR>Cc: "Sylvia Caras"
<sylvia@peoplewho.org>; <Pwd@wsis-cs.org>; "Elizabeth K.<BR>Carll
Ph.D." <ecarll@optonline.net><BR>Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 12:58
AM<BR>Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3
of<BR>WSIS CS statement<BR><BR><BR>> Dear Hiroshi and All,<BR>><BR>>
Thank you for your input, as it is obvious that the Disability Caucus<BR>>
has given much thought to the WSIS documents as have others<BR>><BR>>
With regard to your request as to the issue of deleting physical and<BR>>
mental health and in essence deleting mental health, from the document<BR>>
now, seems surprising, as Sylvia had expressed her concerns all along,<BR>>
and these issues were posted on the plenary listserv and I do not<BR>>
recall a request for the removal of mental health from the document<BR>>
after the discussions by the Disability Caucus.<BR>><BR>> In addition,
while there may have been discussion to which those of us<BR>> who were
unable to attend the Tunis Summit are not privy, the process<BR>> of
finalizing the document cannot be based solely on decisions at the<BR>>
Summit, as obviously that would disenfranchise many who were not able<BR>>
to participate. Therefore if that were the case, to be fair and
treat<BR>> all equitably, it require the removal of all information
by those who<BR>> did not attend.<BR>><BR>> Most importantly aside
from the many previous issues and support<BR>> discussed for the inclusion
of mental health, including most recently<BR>> comments by UNGA President
Eliasson at the informal briefing with NGOs<BR>> this past Friday and the
White House report on aging, the inclusion of<BR>> mental health is
essential to prevent the disenfranchisement of a<BR>> large group of the
worlds' people as well as the elimination of<BR>> services to all people
affected by traumatic events.<BR>><BR>> ***Following the logic of Sylvia
Caras' argument for the removal of<BR>> reference to mental health from the
documents, I would request that<BR>> the same be done with removing
any reference to those who are disabled<BR>> as health should be seen a s a
seamless service and not carve out any<BR>> particular population which
will further contribute to the<BR>> stigmatization of that group.
Health services to the disabled are no<BR>> different than other
specialties such as cardiac, etc.<BR>><BR>> The recognition of the
importance of addressing mental health needs<BR>> and labeling it using
clear language which is tied directly to how<BR>> governments decide on
funding is essential. To my knowledge there is<BR>> no funding for
access to emotional and spiritual services by<BR>> governments.
Furthermore in many cultures spiritual is viewed as,<BR>> and often
translates into, religious terms which brings with it a<BR>> whole host of
problematic and political issues.<BR>><BR>> In addition, the reference
to physical and mental health was included<BR>> in each of the health
paragraphs in order that each can serve as a<BR>> stand alone paragraph
should one of the points be picked up by the<BR>> media or other
organizations and therefore prevent misinterpretation,<BR>> when taken out
of context.<BR>><BR>> Having a separate section in the document for one
group's (disability)<BR>> interest at the expense of another group's
(physical and mental<BR>> health) interest, by now eliminating reference to
that group at the<BR>> 11th hour, is the opposite of inclusive society and
undermines the<BR>> previously agreed upon<BR>> Geneva CS
Declaration. Therefore, it is requested that if the
language<BR>> for physical and mental health is removed from the CS
Statement, to be<BR>> equitable the same be done with all language
references to disability.<BR>><BR>> Hopefully, this has helped further
clarify the issues.<BR>><BR>> Respectfully,<BR>><BR>> Dr.
Elizabeth Carll<BR>> Health and ICT Working
Group<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From:
plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On<BR>> Behalf
Of Hiroshi Kawamura<BR>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:59 AM<BR>>
To: bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de; WSIS-CT; WSIS ng Cc:lvia Caras;<BR>>
plenary@wsis-cs.org; Pwd@wsis-cs.org<BR>> Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re:
[WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of<BR>> WSIS CS statement<BR>>
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_______________________________________<BR>><BR>> Dear Ralf and
others:<BR>><BR>> As I attached in the body of my posting to CS Plenary
List on 19th<BR>> November, the Disability Caucus adopted the Tunis
Declaration.<BR>> Since the Caucus held two major events on 15th and 18th
November in<BR>> Tunis, I am afraid that none of the Caucus members could
effectively<BR>> commit the process of CS Statement development.<BR>> I
really appreciate CS members who are working on this very difficult<BR>>
work to create a consensus and formulate a CS Statement.<BR>><BR>> At
the last stage of CS Declaration, I must admit that there is still<BR>> a
serious issues to be dealt with among those health professionals and<BR>>
disability caucus regarding the language being used in the "almost<BR>>
final version 4.3". As a matter of fact, the concern expressed by<BR>>
Sylvia Caras, was also expressed by her at the Global Forum on<BR>>
Disability in the Information Society in Tunis during the summit and<BR>>
she received no objections on her contributions. Of course there was<BR>>
no voting but I sense that there was positive understanding on
her<BR>statements in general.<BR>><BR>> Quotation from the posting of
Sylvia Caras on 15 December:<BR>><BR>> I'd be pleased to see, if that
pharse "physical and mental" were<BR>> deleted, an explanation that "health
includes biological, emotional,<BR>> social, spiritual and vocational
well-being" which seems to me would<BR>> embrace all aspects of
health and thus not reuqire carving out mental<BR>> health.<BR>><BR>>
--end of quotation.<BR>><BR>> As the CSB Focal Point on Disability, I
must address the fact that<BR>> there is a serious disagreement on the
language used in the WSIS CS<BR>> Statement clearly expressed by Sylvia as
quoted above. Even though<BR>> Elizabeth Carl reported that there were only
one objection among the<BR>> Caucus on Health and ICT, I have to point out
that the feeling of the<BR>> Global Forum in Tunis was in support of Sylvia
and she addressed the<BR>> concerns to the WSIS-CT list on behalf of all
attendees of the Global<BR>> Forum in Tunis.<BR>><BR>> In addition,
there was no disability specific active input to the CS<BR>> Statement due
to the fact that WSIS Disability Caucus was focusing on<BR>> its own
declaration which was adopted on 18th November based on all<BR>> disability
specific WSIS process since 2002, I would like to ask the<BR>> editors of
the CS Statement to refer to the Tunis Declaration as<BR>> attached as one
of the delarations and statements of CS that may be<BR>> listed or attached
to the CS Statement rather than inserting<BR>> paragraphs or sentences at
this stage.<BR>><BR>> Best regards,<BR>><BR>> Hiroshi
Kawamura<BR>> WSIS CSB Disability Focal
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