<div>Dear All</div>
<div>Greetings</div>
<div>I pointed to all of you there was no election and people use authoeritrian way to address wyhile at the same levwl. .We all are NGO no boss here please.</div>
<div>Dr. Malik Khan<br><br> </div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/28/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">djilali benamrane</b> <<a href="mailto:dbenamrane@yahoo.com">dbenamrane@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span>
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<br>Merci Liss pour ce long et interessant message.<br>Il faut plusieurs minutes pour des non anglophones<br>pour déchiffrer les cotations et les non cotations.<br>Je j'aimerais ajouter pour ce qui s'est passé à<br>l'UNESCO Paris c'est que nous avons voulu profiter
<br>d'une opportunité où les conditions étaient favorables<br>à la société civile pour prendre acte et reserrer les<br>liens, avec des rencontres tous les soirs.<br>Il n'a jamais été dans nos intentions de nous<br>substituer aux structures existant ou qui ont existé,
<br>eencore opérationnelles ou non.<br>C'est quand même incroyable que dès qu'une initiatives<br>est prises hors de celles et de ceux qui se prennent<br>pour les ayant droits de droit divin, cela suscite les<br>foudres.<br>
Nous ne sommes pas dans une logique axe du bien contre<br>axe du mal. De grâce remobilisons nos efforts parce<br>que la bataille est loin d'être gagnée.<br>Firndly yours<br>Djilali<br>--- Liss Jeffrey <<a href="mailto:lissjeffrey@sympatico.ca">
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><br>> Hey all:<br>><br>> These are transitional times.<br>> Francis I am not alone in thanking you for taking<br>> action during this<br>> transition, when some of us are not so active,<br>> and I look forward to further discussion of the
<br>> substance of CS positions.<br>> Of course we need to reveiew the legitimacy of the<br>> CS decision making. This<br>> is not new.<br>><br>> But the tone of RG's email is suspect and troubling.<br>> quote:
<br>> again, let me be clear - I don't see myself as being<br>> on the CSB anymore.<br>> >In fact, no one else should either. It's mandate is<br>> up - and subject to<br>> >review and reassessment by the larger plenary
<br>> groups.<br>> end quote<br>><br>> It would seem once again that this is a position of<br>> convenience.<br>><br>> On your question, Francis:<br>><br>> [quote]<br>> no doubt that there was an active and transparent
<br>> discussion within the North American civil society<br>> that is approving<br>> unanimously your methods.<br>> What were , according to your own words, the<br>> processes of consultation,<br>> engagement
<br>> and decision making within the North American Civil<br>> Society ?<br>> [ end quote]<br>><br>> No, this was not the case. It has never been the<br>> case, despite suggestions<br>> that it should be the case!
<br>> That is what the eCommons has called for<br>> consistently, consultation more<br>> broadly as a way towards CS education and<br>> mobilization at home, and also<br>> legitimacy in the larger arenas , but this has not
<br>> been done.<br>><br>> CS people in Canada have been excluded from the<br>> Canadian process, and that<br>> is easy to establish because objections to this<br>> exclusion are on the public<br>> online and offline record.
<br>> RG has been quite central to this exclusion. That is<br>> why it is ironic and<br>> troubling that he now should attack Francis ( and<br>> the original post did<br>> read like an attack, however well intentioned its
<br>> author and others believe<br>> it to have been.)<br>> Two of our members ( including me) were deliberately<br>> dropped from an email<br>> list supposedly started for consultation and<br>> information on North American
<br>> and Cdn CS Wsis activities.<br>> There have been many other strange and divisive acts<br>> undertaken. No answer<br>> has ever been given when questions have been raised.<br>> It has never been clear, despite questions raised,
<br>> how we ended up with a<br>> rep for North America, Europe ( and?) the ICS, one<br>> who also advised the<br>> Canadian government formally and informally, and<br>> claimed to speak for people<br>> who were not consulted.
<br>><br>> The only time a transparent and independent<br>> procedure was conducted in<br>> Canada ( for Wsis 1, Geneva), 3 civil society reps<br>> were selected based on<br>> applications solicited and received, and RG was
<br>> *not* one of them. he was<br>> not an official member of the Cdn delegation at the<br>> prepCom 3, nor at the<br>> final Wsis 1 meeting, nor did he withdraw from the<br>> CSB when he was not on<br>> the delegation, as far as what I understood at the
<br>> time.<br>> After that, the procedure was not so transparent,<br>> and complaints about the<br>> procedure addressed to Canadian Commission on Unesco<br>> went ananswered<br>> ( including taking issue with allowing a celebrity
<br>> johnny come lately to<br>> speak for Canadians when there were so many good<br>> alternatives available<br>> notably on human rights where Canada has<br>> credibility, and Tunisia does not).<br>><br>
> Again, that was then and this is now, and of course<br>> it is timely to<br>> reconsider CS legitimacy as I have now argued for<br>> years in many venues. ( I<br>> argued this in Halifax in June, 2003, and in Berlin
<br>> after Wsis 1, with CS<br>> members at a meeting in 2004, arguing that it would<br>> hurt our longer term<br>> cred to have such limited transparency ourselves,<br>> and had argued this before<br>> and after becoming a member of the Cdn delegation!)
<br>> I never could get an<br>> answer as to how we ended up with a non accountable<br>> rep for such a large<br>> territory -- North America, Europe, and ICS: can one<br>> be serious!<br>> However the way to do that renewal of legitimacy IMO
<br>> is not to attack people<br>> like Francis who are trying to keep things going<br>> during the transition.<br>> This is particularly problematic when the source of<br>> the critique cannot<br>> withstand scrutinty ( except rhetorically) on this
<br>> same issue.<br>><br>> Liss Jeffrey, PhD<br>> Member Canadian delegation, Wsis 1, Geneva.<br>> Director McLuhan global research network,<br>> Founding director, eCommons/agora electronique<br>><br>
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