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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>I
agree with Hannah on the importance of skating clearly the mission of the
group, otherwise we can lost ourselves easily and disintegrate what seems to be
born as a multiethnic amicable possibility for “ICT-sustainable
development” discussion and production.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Our
vision must be clear, concrete, wide enough but refraining from terms that have
no clarified reference (peace, love, brother ship, etc), inspiring and shared
by all. The list can easily create en e-democracy where we can propose the
vision and built it via e-voting. Once our vision is clear then we can get to
the item of selecting the leaders and then, we will be ready to design the programs,
goals and teams required.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Sounds
possible or a little bit like Walden II?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>To
advance some, I propose we DO NOT focus on how different are <span
class=SpellE>Telecentre</span> proposals BUT on what we find in common: I would
describe <span class=SpellE>Telecentres</span> as a movement (first basic, we
are community, group, no one-alone-mind) that looks for improving the world
(here concrete reference must be proposed to avoid getting into endless
debates, i.e. what we consider basic world problems and needs, what we define
as poverty, what means respect for diversity, community, etc) through application
of <span class=SpellE>ICTs</span> in communities through a set of techniques
called <span class=SpellE>Telecentres</span> (here we try to identify the basic
concepts underlining the diverse kind of <span class=SpellE>telecentre</span>
programs), giving priority to certain areas of human life (here we enumerate possible
areas of application not eliminating other but referring some of them as
priorities and trying to define the levels of importance), on the understanding
that knowledge is the gate that make a better life possible, and <span
class=SpellE>ICTs</span> the most powerful tool known today to develop it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>If
we can do this, we can begin to produce a level of systematic guidelines that
would feed practitioners and investigators around the world, making our vision
possible.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>The
debate is open…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>Cristian Berrío Zapata<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>cberrioz@cable.net.co<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>cristianberrioz@hotmail.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Mensaje original-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>De:</span></b>
telecentres-bounces@wsis-cs.org [mailto:telecentres-bounces@wsis-cs.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>En nombre de </span></b>Hannah Beardon<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Enviado el:</span></b> Viernes, 24 de
Septiembre de 2004 07:10 a.m.<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Para:</span></b> telecentres@wsis-cs.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Asunto:</span></b> [Telecentres] Counting
telecentres</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Dear group,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I have really enjoyed reading all
the contributions so far and am happy to leave you to work out the structure
etc. However, I am still not clear on what we are trying to achieve and
think it is really important that we decide what those one or two advocacy
points to discuss might be (if I have blatantly missed something here please
let me know!).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I agree with Barbara that perhaps
mapping telecentres is not the best use of our time and expertise at this
point. Although undoubtedly it would be an interesting exercise, it is
perhaps one for which funding could be sought and real time and effort put into
it (and properly recompensed!). As Barbara said we need to be clear about
why we would be mapping, what kinds of categories and how the initial data
colelction exercise could be built on to achieve the kinds of outcomes that
Cristian and Gaspar mention - or others that the project may identify. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I think the term telecentre covers a
multitude of sins (as well as fantastic initiatives). There is no
universal model and some are more oriented to the needs of the poor than
others, some more successful in making a difference to poverty and
marginalisation than others. I believe that you cannot have an
impact on poverty just by putting in a few computers and so it is useful
to underrstand what it is in a telecentre that makes it
pro-poor. Perhaps we could pick a couple of important issues
to debate in order to provide some non-negotiables that are at the base of
pro-poor and empowering ICT4D work?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hannah</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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