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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dear All<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Some pieces of information in this line: in
Hungary the picture is variable. You can find (very small) telecottages providing
most of services (inc. Internet access) for free, if local government is
susidising the operator (like libraries<span class=GramE>)<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>But</span> most of telecottages are organisational
hybrids, priovide paid, low cost services. <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>2-3 % of telecottage are closing down in in
1-3 years after their opening because of financial problems, but in most cases the
real problem is not material, but human (personal conflicts between former partners,
e<span class=GramE>.g</span>. local mayor and telecentre operator, telecentres usually
obtain some kind of political power, social influence, mayor/local government
can stop supporting the telecentre by giving the building for free for example,
if the operator doesn’t support the mayor, council members). In this case,
if the infrastrucure was given as grant, computers can be taken back by the
program organiser (e<span class=GramE>.g</span>. Telecentre Association) and
given to other NGO-s (it is usually <span class=GramE>defined <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>this</span> way in the grant contract). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Matyas Gaspar<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> telecentres-bounces@wsis-cs<span
class=GramE>.org</span> [mailto:telecentres-bounces@wsis-cs.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Elizabeth Carll, PhD<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, October 05, 2004
3:13 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Don Cameron; 'David Leeming
PFnet'; telecentres@wsis-cs.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Telecentres] Basic
Telecentre Items/ICT Definition</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'>Don and all,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'>For those of us who may not have the background that some do with regard
to telecenters, this discussion is very helpful and may provide information as
to how to describe telecenters so that all who are involved with WSIS and
beyond would have an accurate understanding.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'>Perhaps I wasn't clear as to what I meant by interactive, as I do see
telecenters providing ongoing information/support for community
development whereas libraries may provide seminars in business development and
hobby development etc., as does my library, but these are one shot deals.
Telecenters, from my understanding, provide ongoing interactive (two way)
information to provide support and development.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'>I was not aware that most telecenters charge for services, with the
exception of internet cafe types. I thought most are funded through
grants and other resources and not paid for by the members of the
community. I wonder if this is a common perception or misperception and
may be possibly related to the demise of many of the telecenters mentioned, as
the expectation may be that they should exist until local businesses take
over/adopt/integrate the functions into private/government
businesses/programs. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'>It would make for an interesting research project to find out what
happened when the telecenters closed. Did the services merely end or were
those services, which were seen as helpful, integrated into a variety of
community businesses and programs?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'>Elizabeth<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-AU
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-ansi-language:EN-AU'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Don Cameron
[mailto:donc@internode.on.net]<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, October 05, 2004
5:24 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Elizabeth Carll, PhD'; 'David
Leeming PFnet'; telecentres@wsis-cs.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Telecentres] Basic
Telecentre Items/ICT Definition</span></font><span lang=EN-AU style='mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-AU'>>> </span></font><span lang=EN-AU
style='mso-ansi-language:EN-AU'>Not being a techie, my view of a Telecentre is
fairly simplistic. I see it as a point/place in a community for interactive
(two way flow) dissemination of information. I view Telecentre’s as
interactive libraries (snip)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'>Hi Elizabeth, all,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'>The other perspective that probably best defines a Telecentre is that of
the business developer / entrepreneur (neither strictly technical nor strictly
social). Telecentre’s are first and foremost a community business
constructed by community entrepreneurs for the purpose of enhancing community
development and potential. This is achieved through the promotion and sale of a
range of ICT-based services combined with a mix of community-building interactions.
The major skill-set required of Telecentre administrators is that of business
acumen with a lesser mix of social and technical capability. Most libraries do
not charge for services; most Telecentre’s do charge. Most libraries are
partially or fully sustained by taxpayer funds; most Telecentre’s are
independent of Government support albeit some funds may have been provided for
start-up purposes (noting that Governments often provide start-up funds for a
variety of new businesses in support of CED so Telecentre’s are not
overly advantaged in this respect). The Internet itself is inherently a
‘user-pays’ system so while some similarities between
Telecentre’s and libraries may exist, I think the fundamental differences
probably outweigh any commonality of purpose or function. The purpose of a
library is to provide access to information. The purpose of a Telecentre is to
aid community development.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'>Continuing in this vein of detailing exactly what comprises this concept
we call ‘a Telecentre’ is probably beneficial to those new to the
concept (or yet to walk through the door of a Telecentre), however I wonder how
much time we should devote considering that:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'>a) We will undoubtedly have to revisit this topic when presenting to
WSIS as delegates can be expected to share similar misconceptions about just
what a Telecentre is (or opinions about what a Telecentre should be). Perhaps
at this point it would be prudent to point any further questions concerning
“what is a Telecentre” to the numerous and excellent web resources
that explain the concept. For an Australian perspective I recommend the
offerings of our two major Telecentre networks available at: <a
href="http://www.ctc.nsw.gov.au/about/">http://www.ctc.nsw.gov.au/about/</a>
and <a href="http://www.telecentres.wa.gov.au/telecentres/">http://www.telecentres.wa.gov.au/telecentres/</a><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'> </span></font>Perhaps a few other
Telecentre practitioners might provide similar references so anyone with
further questions can easily gain an international perspective.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'>b) We are yet to address the fundamental issue that brought us together
and several key questions remain unanswered. Is the purpose of this forum to
offer a mechanism for the Telecentre movement to provide input into WSIS, or is
the intent for WSIS to use the Telecentre movement as a vessel for promotions
and to achieve a stated set of aims and objectives? (hopefully both!). If the
former I think we really need to establish our bona-fide representation (to
ensure that input is coming from Telecentre’s and not from other parties
with interests of merit however not necessarily in accord with the interests of
Telecentre’s), and ascertain just what input we wish to promote to WSIS
on behalf of the Telecentre movement. If the later (to provide services and
functions on behalf of WSIS), to determine just what we can provide and what
degree of investment is being asked of us by WSIS. If as I hope the approach is
two-fold (to be partners with WSIS in providing input and helping to achieve
collective objectives), what formalities need to be addressed so we are both
representative as well as participative in the process?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'>Rgds, Don <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-AU'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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