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<DIV><FONT size=2>Dear Claude,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Linux is excellent, Geert is fine media theorist (I
thought you didn't like theorists?), net critic and activist and I see that you
are a great activist too. I know about the issue and I agree that it is one of
the problems that have to be resolved still. That is one of the reasons why we
are setting up this event. Let all have broadband as soon as possible for
example, a discussion point I confronted the UN with at the end of last year,
that I to have confronted WSIS with through The World Forum on
Communication Rights. WSIS or Stallman gave no reaction.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Anyway, you are against porn and / or Microsoft and /
or MSN:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>From: "Claude Almansi" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:claude.almansi@b"><FONT size=2>claude.almansi@b</FONT></A><FONT
size=2>...> <BR>Date: Sun Jul 20, 2003 2:29 pm<BR>Subject:
explicit banner for hardcore p0rn sites on </FONT><A
href="http://www.msn.ch/stellen"><FONT
size=2>www.msn.ch/stellen</FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>From: "Claude Almansi" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:claude.almansi@b"><FONT size=2>claude.almansi@b</FONT></A><FONT
size=2>...> <BR>Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 10:30 am<BR>Subject:
P0RN AT MSN.CH (the return,and new site LOL)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>This explains a lot why you are so determent. Why exclude
anyone in your hopes and fight for a better world? I know that MSN and
Microsoft are also determent that it will prevail. (Gates alone spent over
$ 22 billion since 1999 to achieve this. On second place in the same period
Gordon More spent just (?) 7 billion in the same period). And were is the
UN?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>By the way, MSN removed all porn banners last summer.
That was fantastic news for you, me and them (they were very relived that they
got a go to do so)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>You mentioned </FONT><A href="http://www.46664.com"><FONT
size=2>www.46664.com</FONT></A><FONT size=2>, with whom we have a healthy
contact, just as we have with the NM Foundation. I can't help that Tiscali was
the host. They to would want to do business with us, but we
rejected.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>You wrote that "Big attachments ARE a no no on mailing-lists".
This was no mailing-list, it was a mail for all those (and only the 506 one) of
the WSIS, names given to us by the UN and the CoE (the reason why I, for
the moment, is confidential).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>You wrote: III d Internet providers offering free use of
internet access - Many ISPs in poor countries would have difficulties doing so.
And I can't see the connexion with IBM hosting the communities - this is
great, but it still doesn't solve the question of accessing communities, and of
uploading music there if the connexion infrastructure is poor.<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Answer: This a one of the R&D issues for VU Amsterdam,
TNO, IBM and Microsoft <STRONG>and "a" reason why WSIS should support the
project.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>You wrote: And further down, page 5, point 7c, in the section
on "The role and responsibilities of "Individuals" and the "Communities" points
to a very limited range of this free use: "They must use the Internet
provider’s subscription exclusively for the purpose for which it is intended
(i.e. to transfer information to and from the platform and their personal
computer / workstation)"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Answer: You know that this not their or our intention, that it
is nonsense Claude!<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>You wrote: A budget of 3'470'000 euros for a development
project is reasonable. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Answer: Not only reasonable, but free also for all, so also
for those who live in poverty (for whom we have created even a special charity
program, going even much further then the project "Hole in the Wall" sponsored
by the WB.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>You wrote: But what development and for whom is actually
involved in your project remains unclear.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Answer: I can't see the point, its clear to all
others.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>My question for you is: "What is the nature of your
work"?</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>With the utmost respect,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Robert</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Van: "Claude Almansi" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:claude.almansi@bluewin.ch"><FONT
size=2>claude.almansi@bluewin.ch</FONT></A><FONT size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Aan: "VROs United World Vision Festivals on Global Issues"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:rockproject@6xa.nl"><FONT
size=2>rockproject@6xa.nl</FONT></A><FONT size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>CC: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:values-ethics@wsis-cs.org"><FONT
size=2>values-ethics@wsis-cs.org</FONT></A><FONT size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Verzonden: dinsdag 10 februari 2004 10:31</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Onderwerp: Re: Talking about Values, Ethics and Netiquette -
difference between 1/1 e-mails and mailing lists - tech
exclusion</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT size=2>> Dr Ebbeler<BR>> <BR>>
Could you please explain why it is OK to send "a lot of e-mails (the
same<BR>> [I] received)" in Bcc and it is not OK for me to put Geert Lovink
in Bcc,<BR>> please? "you are sending them" is a crass exageration, Geert's
address was -<BR>> and is again - the only one in Bcc, because worms use
personal addresses as<BR>> spoofed senders.<BR>> <BR>> So maybe your
contacts all have broadband and aren't bothered, as you say.<BR>> I'm
not personally bothered, I have broadband too.<BR>> <BR>> But there
is a big difference between sending an e-mail to someone you know<BR>> and
sending an e-mail to a mailing list, where you don't know the members or<BR>>
their condition of access to ICT. You see, there are still people who
don't<BR>> have broadband access in the world: WSIS 1 was about this, and
this is a<BR>> WSIS-connected list with people who don't. But of course, the
e-mail with<BR>> the big attachments was your first one to this list so you
didn't know that,<BR>> you didn't know that the big, proprietary-format
attachment problem had<BR>> already been discussed here - with Richard M.
Stallman raising the issue.<BR>> <BR>> Do a Google search for netiquette
mailing lists attachments, please, you<BR>> will find hundreds of pages about
the subject, for instance:<BR>> <BR>> From Erasmus Student Network
guidelines at<BR>> </FONT><A
href="http://www.helsinki.fi/hyy/esn/netiquette.html"><FONT
size=2>http://www.helsinki.fi/hyy/esn/netiquette.html</FONT></A><FONT size=2>
(site of the Students' Union<BR>> at the University of Helsinki)<BR>>
<BR>> "What you should not send<BR>> <BR>> (...)<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> a.. Pictures or attachments. Large attachments tend to fill up
people's<BR>> mailboxes which causes them to be unable to receive more
e-mails. Moreover<BR>> some people still use a slow connection to read their
e-mail and downloading<BR>> pictures and other large attachments can be
annoying and moreover cost time<BR>> and money for them. If you want to send
a photograph, a map, etc. to the<BR>> list, please put it on a web page
instead, and only write the URL in your<BR>> mail.<BR>>
(...)"<BR>> .Or from "Vrolijk kerstfeest???" (well, we are approaching
carnaval now<BR>> too) by Jan Van Hee:<BR>> </FONT><A
href="http://www.khbo.be/cgi-bin/display?list=mathlist&msg=88"><FONT
size=2>http://www.khbo.be/cgi-bin/display?list=mathlist&msg=88</FONT></A><FONT
size=2> :<BR>> <BR>> "Stuur nooit ongevraagd attachments naar een
mailinglist die niets met de<BR>> zaak te maken hebben. Als je een zinvol
attachment wil meesturen zorg er dan<BR>> voor dat het niet te groot is
(sommige mailing lists hanteren een grens van<BR>> 50 KB) en zorg ervoor dat
zoveel mogelijk mensen het kunnen lezen (gebruik<BR>> een zo universeel
mogelijk formaat, bvb. liever tekst dan Word-document). "<BR>> <BR>> Big
attachments ARE a no no on mailing-lists - yours were way above the 50kb<BR>>
limit mentioned by Jan Van Hee in the latter quotation. Please also note
his<BR>> advice about prefering plain text to Word documents if you want to
reach as<BR>> many people as possible. And again, what was the point of the
722KB if you<BR>> could have conveyed the same content in 4KB by linking to
your site?<BR>> <BR>> A music project through the internet is interesting
per se. But sound files<BR>> still require broadband, even in streaming. 30
million people (quoting your<BR>> info) viewing </FONT><A
href="http://www.46664.com"><FONT size=2>www.46664.com</FONT></A><FONT size=2>
is an exhilerating event, granted, but it was<BR>> not for people on dial-up.
You mention research and development several<BR>> times in your project
description, true. But developping lighter music<BR>> formats to make it
available to people on slow connexion is not mentioned in<BR>> your "The role
and responsibilities of the VRO Foundation to establish World<BR>> Visions
Festivals" section (p. 4 of your Word file), or anywhere else in<BR>> your
documents. Sure, the project is still in progress, but your blitheful<BR>>
ignoring this aspect in your e-mail communication does not point to it
being<BR>> included in your agenda.<BR>> <BR>> Other puzzling elements
in this section:<BR>> <BR>> III b, the part about legal firms to develop
the legal infrastructure,<BR>> including the copyright protection. Such a
development has been going on for<BR>> years now in the Creative Commons
project, which you don't mention.<BR>> <BR>> III d Internet providers
offering free use of internet access - Many ISPs in<BR>> por countries would
have difficulties doing so. And I can't see the<BR>> connexion with IBM
hosting the communities - this is great, but it still<BR>> doesn't solve the
question of accessing communities, and of uploading music<BR>> there if the
connexion infrastructure is poor.<BR>> <BR>> And further down, page 5,
point 7c, in the section on "The role and<BR>> responsibilities of
"Individuals" and the "Communities" points to a very<BR>> limited range of
this free use: "They must use the Internet provider’s<BR>> subscription
exclusively for the purpose for which it is intended (i.e. to<BR>> transfer
information to and from the platform and their personal computer /<BR>>
workstation)"<BR>> <BR>> III e " Application software houses:
To provide the community members with<BR>> licensed copies of the application
software for use through-out the<BR>> competition. (We are assuming 5 to 20
sets per community)" This clashes with<BR>> your "Open-Source" declaration in
your powerpoint. And what about after the<BR>> competition? Why not rather
encourage the present development of<BR>> non-proprietary music
software?<BR>> <BR>> I'll stop here. Had you shown respect of people's
internet access conditions<BR>> in your first e-mail to this list (and
others), these points would have been<BR>> less worrying. A budget of
3'470'000 euros for a development project is<BR>> reasonable. But what
development and for whom is actually involved in your<BR>> project remains
unclear.<BR>> <BR>> sincerely<BR>> <BR>> Claude Almansi<BR>>
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