[Lac] [Fwd: [governance] Minutes from WGIG Consultations Part 2 - afternoon Sept 20]

Beatriz Busaniche busaniche at velocom.com.ar
Wed Sep 22 17:26:48 BST 2004


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From: Bertrand de LA CHAPELLE <lachapelle at openwsis.org>
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Subject: [governance] Minutes from WGIG Consultations Part 2 - afternoon Sept 20
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:35:10 +0200

This is the second part of my minutes of the Geneva meeting. 
This is the afternoon of the first day. 

Formated text in word attached. 

Bertrand

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Pakistan

This is a formal statement on behalf of the Asian Group of 
countries. 

Nature and scope of internet governance : According to para 
49 of the PoA (reference to verify), IG encompasses both 
technical and public policy issues.

The PoA also recalls the responsibilty of states and the 
role other actors have played 

Composition and structure : the Asian group reiterates that 
the WGIG should be open-ended. 

Working methods and timeline for activities : the WGIG 
should submit a preliminary report to the PrepCom2; the 
final report should be transmitted before mid-July so that 
it can be studied at prepCom3.

The first meeting should be held in early November 2004, 
including to address substantive issues. 


Netherlands (on behalf of the European Union)

The Tunis phase will consider the final report. A 
preliminary report should be presented for PrepCom2 and the 
final report produced before PrepCom3.

As for issues to address, the starting point is to build on 
the existing internet governance architecture, which today 
mainly means the management of internet domain names.

Second point is Internet stability, including spam. 

Issues like Data protection, e-Commerce, IPR and digital 
divide are already dealt with in existing other fora. 

The EU insists on the full and active participation of all 
stakeholders. 

There is a need for a proper balance between efficiency and 
tranparency and openness. 

The EU expresses interest in the two-tier approach suggested 
by M. Kummer, where a larger group should create a drafting 
sub-group. The later should have no more than 40 
participants. 

No less that the half of them should be governmental or 
intergovernmental. The remaining members being used to 
provide representation for the civil society and private 
sector. 

M Zhao, ITU

People tend to present ICANN and ITU as an alternative 
choice. This is a wrong approach.

No single entity can take care of all issues of Internet 
Governance alone, neither ICANN, nor ITU. 

ITU is looking for an efficient international cooperation 
with any entity involved in this Internet Governance debate. 
In 1999, a MoU was signed between ISOC, IETF, ICANN, W3C to 
form the Standard 

The cooperation between ITU and IETF is today an excellent 
example of cooperation between an intergovernmental 
organization and one of the bottom-up bodies created in the 
Internet environment. 

ITU is formally volunteering to be part of the WGIG. 


Venezuela 

Missing notes ...........


Economic Commission for Africa

Contribution based on the online consultation conducted by 
the ECA. 

Africa is not represented in and benefiting from the present 
internet governance system. 

Issues relevant to Internet Governance are : 
•	Ethics and norms to protect children and vulnerable 
people
•	IPR
•	Security
•	Fraud and cybercrime
•	Spam
•	Cultural diversity

On reporting and working methods of the WGIG : there should 
be a combination of online consultations and face to face 
meetings. 

The working group should be neither too small nor too large. 
A set of appended sub-groups can be envisaged.

The Economic commission for Africa roposes itself as a 
convening platform to facilitate consultations. 

Unesco

Unesco’s mandate and constitution means it has a strong 
interest in this issue. 

Freedom of expression, universal access, cultural diversity 
and access to education are IG issues. 

Unesco calls attention to its recommendation on 
multilingualism.

The Internet ecosystem of distributed layers does not 
correspond with a call for a single entity in charge of 
Internet Governance.

Before we call for a new body, there should be a better 
diagnostic on what the gaps are at the moment. 

Any internet governance mechanism should be technically 
competent, transparent and non partisan. 

It is of fundamental importance for anuy internet governance 
mechanism to safeguard openness, resist capture or control 
and be preserved from excess of government control or 
commercial.

Six principles recommended by Unesco :
-	openness of the international infrastructure should 
be preserved
-	no governmental control or censorship
-	clear articulation  between mechanisms and the 
problems they address
-	(one item not recorded)
-	ensure interoperability
-	any global internet management system should be 
competent, transparent and non-partisan. 

Iran

Iran subscribes to the Pakistan statement. IG should be 
defined in a broad manner. 


USA

We witness the emergence of a global consensus on the 
importance of a multi-stakeholder approach to internet 
issues. 
We made a contribution listing six main aspects 
(contribution available online on the wgig)


Saudi Arabia

The WSIS recognized that Internet Governance needs 
reconsideration. 

The arab group has set up a task force in the last two 
years. 

The WGIG should be an open-ended working group and start its 
work as soon as possible, without loosing time on procedural 
matters. 

The WGIG should use all tools and opportunities to make this 
work transparent. 

We should study internet governance in its positive and 
negative aspects. 

The ITU has a very rich experience in this field. 


WIPO

Challenges to WIPO brought by Internet : recalling the 
various actions undertaken by WIPO in the last ten years, 
including treaties or exploring open consultation mechanisms 
combining online and on site regional consultations. 

This initiated the Dispute Resolution system later 
implemented in the framework of ICANN. 

Open source software also needs copyright protection.


UN ICT Task Force

The Open Forum on Internet Governance in March organized by 
the UN ICT TF helped produce a sense of shared purpose.

It is difficult to reach the objective of inclusiveness and 
representation in a limited membership group. If this 
problem is not addressed, it can hamper the impact and 
legitimacy of the WGIG.

Some lessons can be drawn from the UN ICT Task Force 
process. It created a network of open-ended working groups 
and regional nodes. Progressively, a core group of most 
commited and active members developed. It is this core group 
that takes the most part in drafting documents and lauching 
initiatives. 

In the case of the WGIG, two different compementary 
processes should be distinguished :
-	the political consultation process : presentation of 
positions, statements, etc...
-	the drafting process, finding language that will 
appropriately reflect the positions of the different 
stakeholders

The political process needs to be inclusive and open-ended. 
The drafting process can be organized in a different, maybe 
more limited format, provided it is transparent. 


Brazil

The puzzle distributed [by Diplo] shows a five story 
building built by a lot of stakeholders. The question is : 
how can governments participate in the building of the 
Internet.

Brazil was one of the first countries to call for a more 
multilateral and democratic governance of the Internet 

5 myths should be refuted :
•	there is an independent private internet domain 
names management body : it is in fact closely connected to 
one government and private sector interests;
•	the governments have a say through the GAC : in 
reality, it only provides an observer status and advisor 
role to governments; 
•	the internationalization of the management of the 
internet is a threat to freedom of expression; we believe 
something could be built taking lessons from the ILO 
tripartite model;
•	the risk of stalling innovation : what we need is a 
mechanism to safeguard the capacity to innovate
•	there is a conspiracy 

The WGIG should be so large as to incorporate the two 
different schools of thought  that emerged during the WSIS : 
the one favoring the status quo, the other one looking for a 
more democratic architecture.  

WGIG should incorporate representatives from these two 
schools of thought. 


Algeria

The UN should be at the center of this coordination, with 
the ITU.

Governments are garanteeing the protection of individual and 
civil liberties.

Protection of privacy data is an essential mission. 

Algeria is surprised by the intervention of the Unesco 
representative that does not seem to represent its member 
states.

Algeria supports Pakistan’s intervention on the composition 
and methodology of the WGIG. 


El Salvador

The WGIG should start working immediately and El Salvador 
therefore supports the framework proposed by the UN ICT Task 
Force. 

Para 1- 48, 49 of the Geneva Declaration should be kept in 
mind.  

We should evaluate whether something is broken according to 
the principles we adopted in the DoP and PoA.

Subsidiarity should be also recognized as a founding 
principle.

We should draw a clear distinction between :
-	definition of Internet from the technical point of 
view
-	an approach from a sociological point of view

Both approaches are valid. But we need to know exactly what 
we intend to discuss. 


Council of Europe

Cybercrime and Human rights in the Information Society are 
Internet Governance issues.  

The lack of enforceable rules is not only due to the non 
territoriality of the Internet. 

The Council of Europe recalls the existence of the 
Convention on Cybercrime, that is open to ratification by 
non CoE countries, some of which halready have done so. 

We support the position of the European Union.

The CoE held a multi-stakeholder conference on cybercrime, 
welcoming actors from around the world;  it demonstrated 
national legislations are not in contradiction with the 
Convention on Cybercrime. 

CoE will launch at the beggining of 2005, an exercise on the 
articulation between Human Rights and the Information 
Society. 

The CoE is ready to help in the organization  of regional 
consultations, in particular on the issues mentioned above. 


ISOC

ISOC provides funding and support for, among others, the 
IETF and the IAB. 

ISOC considers a broad definition of Internet Governance is 
necessary. 

There is a distinction between governance of the Internet 
and governance of the issues of the Internet. 

(some comments not recorded)


Barbados

The kind of open consultations conducted during this two-day 
session should be an integral part of the WGIG work. 

Developing countries do not compose a single homogenous 
group. 


Izumi AIZU (Internet Governance Task Force of Japan)

(non recorded comments – to be completed)


Vittorio Bertola, Chairman, ICANN AtLarge

(non recorded comments – to be completed)


Cyberlaws

Nine principles :

-	Not take a U-turn for the worse; respect existing 
principles
-	Work on law and policy existing today should not be 
discarded
-	Duplication of work needs to be strictly avoided : 
different bodies have tried to do similar things without 
articulation with one another
-	Take into account the neckbreaking pace of technology
-	The best of the world’s models need to be picked up 
and adapted
-	Need for ensuring “effective enforceability” of 
legal regimes 
-	Internet law and policy issues should not divorce 
from the rest of the jurisprudence
-	Major conflicts of critical legal propositions 
should be avoided to guarantee stability of the internet 
-	Need to balance varied legal principles


CECUA (Confederation of European Computer User Associations) 
(please verify if this was the right institution, sound was 
bad)

CECUA has produced a Draft Bill of Rights for the Citizens 
in the Information Society, outlining the vulnerability of 
citizens to spam, fraud, ....

For the average user, the Internet is like the wild west : 
good guys and bad ones but no sheriffs. It is the 
responsibility of governments to protect their citizens on 
the internet. 


NRO (Number Resource Organization)

NRO formed by the RIRs. 

The RIRs fully support the ICANN model. 

In regard to the WGIG, it should be open and inclusive, and 
the NRO is vonlunteering to be part of the working group. 


Alessandro Pisanti (Vice-Chair ICANN board of Directors)

(some comments not recorded)

Draw lessons from the experience of ICANN : what worked, 
what did not. 

Be carefull of the use of the expression “private sector”, 
which has different meanings in different constituencies. 

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