[Mmwg] Workshops in Athens

Thu Jun 8 15:28:46 BST 2006

Thanks Adam,

Your answer is clear enough at that stage.

Bertrand

On 6/8/06, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
>
> Yes, your question is a bit complicated and you
> are asking about things that have not been
> decided. I've a feeling I will only confuse
> things more. But...
>
> General background.  As mentioned during the last
> consultation by George Papadatos for the Greek
> hosts, the facility is called the Astir Palace,
> it's about 25 km from the center of Athens, about
> 25 km from the main airport. Selected partly
> because it's a nice place and partly that it has
> some rooms available (George told us facilities
> of this size are booked up a long time in
> advance.)  The hosts have secured 4 rooms, one
> with a capacity of between 600-800 people, and 3
> that are somewhere between 100 and 200.  Hosts
> cover the costs of these rooms, have apparently
> arranged discount hotel rates (no details.)
>
> I think this is the right website, but not been
> confirmed <http://www.astir-palace.com/en/> (I
> might be wrong!)
>
> Your questions.
>
>
> At 1:51 AM +0200 6/8/06, Bertrand de La Chapelle wrote:
> >Dear Adam and Jeanette,
> >
> >I find this exchange interesting but this does
> >not answer my initial question regarding the
> >articulation between workshops and general
> >sessions as presented on the IGF site. Let me
> >repeat it :
> >
> >Do I understand well that each of the four
> >tracks would have a general session of three
> >hours in the main hallAND  workshops in smaller
> >rooms that should not overlap with thegeneral
> >sessions. (quote : Workshops dealing with topics
> >being dealt with in the main meeting will not be
> >scheduled at the same time as the main meeting).
> >
>
>
> Yes, each of the 4 tracks will have a general
> session, whether that session will be 3 hours or
> split (90 minutes/90 minutes) is being discussed
> now. As a result the workshops and whether they
> should staggered or can be overlapping is also
> being discussed.
>
> <http://www.intgovforum.org/table.htm>
>
> Take the morning of day 2.  Main theme Openness
> (free flow of information, ideas, and access to
> knowledge.) If the session in the main hall is
> "Openness", and we avoid overlaps, there will be
> workshops on Security, Diversity and Access in
> the 3 smaller rooms plus opportunities for "off
> theme" workshops. Those workshops would most
> likely be 90 minutes. So, perhaps a 3 hour
> session plus 6 x 90 minute workshops: e.g.
> openness plus a couple of workshops looking at
> access issues, 1 on security, 1 on diversity and
> a couple on other subjects not related to the 4
> themes.
>
> You can imagine the permutations of sessions and
> workshops being considered (clearer if you draw a
> matrix.)
>
>
> >Or are the so-called general sessions only on the first and last day ?
> >
>
>
> In addition the the thematic sessions (day 2 & 3)
> on day 1 there will be an opening ceremony,
> followed by some scene setting (we have not got
> into detail of what this will be.)
>
> The final day will be a wrap-up, how to move
> towards Brazil, and an emerging issues session
> organized by Youth (intended to be forward
> looking.) Youth = under 30 (with a bit of dye and
> botex I shall pass...)
>
> There might be workshops on the first and last
> day.  I think (my personal opinion, not
> channeling any MAG decision) holding workshops
> against the opening ceremonies will be hard to
> get past protocol.  We aren't organizing a UN
> meeting, but it's convened by the secretary
> general and if senior people attend the
> organizers are likely to want some respect shown
> (if the Greek PM speaks, even for 5 minutes, what
> would the Greek hosts say if we tried to schedule
> a parallel workshop?)
>
> I don't see why there shouldn't be workshops (or
> some kind of session to use the space available)
> parallel to all other sessions.
>
> I think it would be a shame to leave space unused.
>
>
> >If it is the later, what is this criteria of non-overlap about ?
> >
> >If it is the former, does that mean that
> >workshops on any of the four tracksshould take
> >place in parallel with a main session on
> >anothertrack ? And if so, what happens for the
> >fourth track ?
>
>
> Are the above 2 questions clearer now?
>
>
> >Can there be a clear answer to thsi ? Or maybe it's in flux ?
> >
>
>
> I've a feeling I have probably confused things further!
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> >B.
> >
> >
> >On 6/7/06, Jeanette Hofmann
> ><<mailto:jeanette at wz-berlin.de>jeanette at wz-berlin.de>
> >wrote:
> >
> >One of the more or less obvious selection criteria for workshops is the
> >multi stakeholder approach. Multi stakeholder in this context can or
> >should be understood as diversity. The forum's specific feature will be
> >the combination of people, opinions and interests coming together to
> >discuss issues. So, it would be good if you and others think about
> >proposals that take into consideration aspects such as practical
> >relevance of the topic, diversity of views and, if possible, potential
> >outcomes.
> >
> >Another aspect concerns the structure of the workshop. One of the things
> >the MAG seems to agree upon is that we don't want lengthy presentations
> >or talks. A workshop proposal could also give an idea of _how_ a given
> >topic will be discussed.
> >
> >jeanette
> >
> >Adam Peake (<mailto:ajp at glocom.ac.jp> ajp at glocom.ac.jp) wrote:
> >>  On 6/8/06, Vittorio Bertola
> >><<mailto:vb at bertola.eu.org>vb at bertola.eu.org>
> >>wrote:
> >>>  Jeanette Hofmann ha scritto:
> >>>  > Is it that you would like to see these topics addressed by someone
> or
> >>>  > would you like to organize a workshop yourself or know of someone
> >>>  who is
> >>>  > interested? My guess is that we only get somewhere if we come up
> with
> >>>> concrete suggestions and concepts.
> >>>
> >>>  I would like to be more practical, but how can I organize anything,
> if
> >>>  it is unclear what needs to be organized, where, when, how to submit
> >>>  proposals, and even whether I would be allowed to make such
> proposals?
> >>>
> >>>  I think that the MAG needs to come up with a clearer framework for
> these
> >>>  requests to be presented, possibly before discussing them :-)
> >>
> >>  That's what MAG is trying to do. Didn't I say as much last week and
> >>  when replying to Milton -- we're trying to come up with a call for
> >>  workshops.But you asked a question so Jeanette tried to answer.
> >>
> >>  You asked "I'm not sure that they fit in any of the four tracks. I
> >>  still have to understand whether it will be possible to discuss these
> >>  things freely"The best answer I can give is on the IGF website:
> >>
> >>  "Any subject on Internet governance can be scheduled for a workshop.
> >>  While many workshops will be oriented within the specific daily
> >>  themes, a number of workshops slots each day will be made available to
> >>  deal with important topics that do not fit easily within the five main
> >>  themes of the conference but which are nonetheless of importance to
> >>  many of the stakeholders.All workshops will be audiocast."
> >>
> >>
> >><<http://www.intgovforum.org/athens_outline.htm>
> >>http://www.intgovforum.org/athens_outline.htm>
> >>
> >>  As I said, we're working on a call for workshop proposals so obviously
> >>  we can't answer your question definitively.
> >>
> >>  Adam
> >>
> >>
> >>
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