[Mmwg] Fwd: does this list live?

Tue Aug 28 16:10:11 BST 2007

hi all

for me the modalities are crucial, because IMHO the IG process is
multi-stakeholer but it is practically restricted to the ones that can
invest the time to follow the massive information load on the mailing lists.

Exploring better tools and (probably more important) developing the
policies/codes of conduct to make efficient use of them might be one of
the more long-term goals but it is also what might have high impact on
spreading the MS approach.

To pioneer and promote more efficient modalities for discours participation
and collectiv decision making sounds very interesting to me.

hasta pronto
max

On 8/28/07, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>
> fpr some reason this did not get through.  While I am following up on
> that...
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [Mmwg] does this list live?
> > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:06:45 +0200
> > From: DRAKE William <drake at hei.unige.ch>
> > Organization: HEI, Geneva
> > To: MMWG <mmwg at wsis-cs.org>
> > References: <BCB2E7C0-9D9D-4955-8882-51ADA83A04F9 at acm.org>
> > <954259bd0708280417lfa1647asdd2bd49f8323bced at mail.gmail.com>
> > <20070828111906.2309A1E5C2C at mail.gn.apc.org>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Thanks Avri for reminding me of the Meissen equation.  Alas, it
> > probably
> >  sounded better to us there and then than it will here and now; might
> > have been the wine. And anyway my issues with the enhanced cooperation
> > component and its relation to MS remain.  Most EC has been IGC or PSC
> > not MSC (much less MSG), ergo ¡ÆC3 isn't MSG---indeed, some of its key
> > instanciations have been quite contrary to MSG as promised in the
> > TA and
> > envisioned by the MMWG.
> >
> > M-O-U-S-E...I can't believe I wrote the last sentence with a straight
> > face.  I guess the summer really is over...
> >
> > Anyway, like Karen, I think the difficulties and challenges weigh more
> > heavily in my mind at the moment than elaborating modalities.  One
> > would
> > like to think the latter might be a way around the former, but it's
> > not
> > clear that the problems are tractable via such niceties.  I'm open to
> > persuasion, but a priori it sounds like an invitation to count
> > angels on
> > the head of a pin while the real action is being conducted with rather
> > different cutlery.
> >
> > BD
> >
> > karen banks wrote:
> >> hi
> >> i'm kind of interested in practical modalities.. but i think i'm
> >> more interested in practical difficulties and challenges ;)
> >> karen
> >> ps.. and MSG makes me think of bad chinese food!
> >> At 12:17 28/08/2007, Bertrand de La Chapelle wrote:
> >>> Hi Avri,
> >>>
> >>> I received it. So it works.
> >>>
> >>> As an explanation of the post-scriptum to me from Avri, we both
> >>> participated in Wolfgang's Summer School on Internet Governance
> >>> in Meissen and had interesting exchanges with other actors on the
> >>> concept of multi-stakeholder governance or MSG.
> >>>
> >>> Given the name and purpose of this list, we were wondering if it
> >>> could be used to hold more focussed discussions on practical
> >>> modalities for multi-stakeholder processes, particularly of
> >>> course concerning the IGF.
> >>>
> >>> Several questions will have to be answered in that context,
> >>> including the multi-stakeholder nature and structure of the
> >>> dynamic coalitions (cf. the agenda for the September 3
> >>> consultations), the composition and designation of the MAG (or
> >>> whatever name it takes), the possible elaboration of
> >>> recommendations, etc...
> >>>
> >>> Would exploring this potential role be considered useful by the
> >>> subscribers of the list ?
> >>>
> >>> Best
> >>>
> >>> Bertrand
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 8/27/07, Avri Doria <<mailto:avri at acm.org>avri at acm.org> wrote:
> >>> and should it live?
> >>>
> >>> if so, should it do anything?
> >>>
> >>> if so, what?
> >>>
> >>> just wondering!
> >>>
> >>> a.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Bertrand, maybe this a place to continue the discussion about MSG
> >>> theory (MultiStakeholder Governance) from Meissen.
> >>> <http://psg.com/~avri/meissen-formula.html>http://psg.com/~avri/
> >>> meissen-formula.html for a 'silly' formalism
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ____________________
> >>> Bertrand de La Chapelle
> >>> D¨¦l¨¦gu¨¦ Sp¨¦cial pour la Soci¨¦t¨¦ de l'Information / Special Envoy
> >>> for the Information Society
> >>> Minist¨¨re des Affaires Etrang¨¨res / French Ministry of Foreign
> >>> Affairs
> >>> Tel : +33 (0)6 11 88 33 32
> >>>
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> > Director, Project on the Information
> >   Revolution and Global Governance/PSIO
> >   Graduate Institute for International Studies
> >   Geneva, Switzerland
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